The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Kenzie and Maverick on Being Born Without a Uterus, Engaged After 4 Months & Saving Kissing for Marriage

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

Kenzie and Maverick open up about their unique love story, from getting engaged after just four months to saving their first kiss for marriage. They also discuss Kenzie’s experience of living without a uterus, their plans for adoption, and the challenges of sharing a home with family. This episode is sponsored by goodr, Mint Mobile, Zocdoc & Factor. goodr: Go to https://goodr.com/unplanned and use code UNPLANNED for free shipping. Mint Mobile: Get this new customer offer and your new 3-month premium wireless plan for just $15/month. Go to https://mintmobile.com/unplanned Zocdoc: Go to https://Zocdoc.com/UNPLANNED and download the Zocdoc app for FREE!  Factor: Head to https://factormeals.com/unplanned50 and use code UNPLANNED50 to get 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next month.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We rolled the dice one last time Landman new series now streaming exclusively on Paramount Plus You like straight up didn't kiss the whole like engagement kiss at all. Wow. My dad was like, that's a horrible idea What if she kisses like your mom? That's your wife dad You guys got engaged in June married in September. Yeah Three months before you were gay. Yeah, that's fast. It didn't even feel fast. It didn't feel crazy I went to the doctor. I explained like hey, I'm not my period and the ultrasound they couldn't find uterus

What is there? Is it just nothing? Yeah, just nothing. I was like wait, you don't get your period He was pumped about that part. She was like trauma dumping on me and I'm dumping on her and it was like here's all my baggage You don't want this but after that first day there was so much stuff I just fell in love with and she fell in love with that we were just like it doesn't matter. Today on the Unplanned Podcast we sat down with social media couple Kenzie and Maverick who only dated six months before getting married. On their very first date Kenzie opened up to Maverick about her inability to have kids. Since then they've made plans to start a family through adoption. We talk about everything from their honeymoon horror story, living with their in-laws, and saving kissing for marriage all on today's episode.

What's up dudes! Welcome back to the Unplanned Podcast! Today we are joined by Kenzie and Maverick. Can we just give it up like Kenzie and Maverick? Let's go. Thank you. Thanks so much for coming all this way, you guys. Of course. Yeah, it was fun. We're pumped. You guys just got married.

I mean, you guys were like freshly married and I'm talking- Dude, fresh. Is it a month? Is it over a month? Less than a month? A month and 14 days. Holy cow.

What? Are you guys still in the honeymoon phase? I guess so. Yeah, she's not mad at me for anything yet. So I guess so. I don't know what not being in the honeymoon phase? I guess so. Yeah, she's not mad at me for anything yet. I don't know what not being in the honeymoon phase is, so I guess yes. I'm kind of like really good at this husband thing, I think. Oh my gosh. You figured it out.

Enlighten me. How do I be the best husband possible? Listen, all you do is you play Apex from like 9 to like 11, and you're good. Oh my gosh. Exactly. It's a letter reader book. I just play video games. You're a writer're good. Exactly. I let her read her book. I just play video games. You're a writer?

Okay. Well, I just started. My sister-in-law, Kate, likes to read a lot of books and so she's put me on. So I just started my book addiction. What book are you reading? The Hawthorne Legacy. There's a series of three

and I'm just about done with the third book. So I'm gonna move on to something else. She seriously looks like a five year old. Her and Kate both, they'll like be sitting on the couch, headphones on, iPad in hand, just reading our books. And then we both got those little, they're called warmies. They're like little stuffed animals, which I know sounds so childish,

but you put them in the microwave and they heat up and you just set them on your stomach and they feel so good. And so we read our books with our little, we look like children. Wait, that's honestly such a vibe it is okay are you a kindle person or do you like a physical she said iPad well what I did have my iPad in hand but I was doing emails while I was

listening to the book at that point I have the actual books yeah that is so you want to also get the physical copy of the book yeah see Matt doesn't get that he's like I just read it I'm like I want to have it the physical copy of the book too. Yeah. See, Matt doesn't get that. He's like, why don't you just read it? I'm like, I want to have it. I can put it on the shelf too afterwards. I'm a physical book. I don't like it on the iPad or on a Kindle. Well, see, the iPad, it hurts my eyeballs.

But then on the Kindle, you can turn off the light. So it literally looks like paper. It looks like paper. I might would like that. Because I can't do the iPad. I just can't. No, yeah, that's such a big screen, so bright. Yeah. I can read way faster on a Kindle, though, I just can't. No, yeah, that's such a big screen, so bright.

I can read way faster on a Kindle, though, than a physical book. But you can turn the light up for an airplane? Oh yeah, you can brighten the screen, you can darken the screen, you can make it dark mode. I always have mine in dark mode. I like to have my screen black and then the word's white, the text white, is what I do.

You might even look into a Kindle for Christmas. It's the best. So you're laying next to each other in bed and one person wants to go to sleep and the other person wants to be laying next to each other in bed and one person wants to go to sleep and the other person wants to be on their Kindle. I'm the one who wants to go to sleep though. That's one thing I've learned about marriage is that you have to give up all your sleep

because this guy doesn't go to sleep till like 3 a.m. sometimes. I'm like, well, we were talking about it before we started, but like Joe Rogan, all these crazy podcasts, I have to listen to them sometimes. Has to, it's a need apparently. Especially now that I'm married, I'm not single anymore, I used to listen to these like while I drive around and do stuff like that but now I'm like in the car so it's like I can't just like play Joe Rogan in the car.

You're like honey can I turn this off? Yeah. 12 a.m. to 3 a.m. like I'm sitting there listening to it and like I just can't I almost can't sleep without it now I feel like. That's not good. You fall asleep listening to it? Sometimes if it gets boring but I try to like I'll get through like half of it usually you're not doing anything else You're just sitting listening to a podcast. Yep Lights off phone off just sit there and listen what's been the most unexpected thing about marriage that you've discovered Honestly for us it's probably different than other other people because we still live with Cash and Kate. There's four of us plus our cousin Alex, who's our editor. He works with us.

Then, there's another guy that started this week and he's living there too. There's six of us. We have six people living in the house. Six of us living there. It's a lot. It is a lot. It's like we're married, but it's also like we're all just living with our friends and having a great time.

It's almost like a content house, but we're married. It's like we're married, but it's also like we're all just living with our friends and having a great time. It's almost like a content house, but we're married, so it's great. My life has altered a lot more than Maverick's has. I lived two and a half hours away from Maverick when we were dating, so I had to quit my job. Oops, sorry. I quit my job. I moved two and a half hours to- Where were you working before? In Temple.

It's like central Texas, a convenience store. Not at the convenience store, I worked at the corporate office, but. Okay. Mavrie likes to joke that I worked at a gas station, but no, I was in marketing. Okay. Very cool. Yeah, I had to quit my job and move with him, and then also I lived by myself, and now I live with six people. Oh wow.

It's definitely been a game changer, that's for sure. Oh, and her dog. Oh man. The dog is like, it's like if a dog had cocaine for's for sure. Oh, and her dog. Oh man. The dog is like, it's like if a dog had cocaine for breakfast every morning. She's a little crazy. It's crazy.

But she's squeezing. It's literally on speed, just running, it's so fast. She has two modes, it's little cuddle buddy, or it's I'm going crazy, I'm not gonna stop for hours. What kind of dog? She's a German Shorthaired Pointer. So she's meant to hunt, but she hunts all day long until nine p.m. and then she's out.

Like this morning, I went out there and I was like, what do you have? And she had caught a woodpecker. Wait, she actually does get animals. Sometimes, yeah. The other day she killed some bunnies. It happened a couple times. Like she'll just, and we don't have that big of a yard.

I mean, she's really maximizing her hunting space here. Okay? Like, where did you find that? Yeah, so I'm like, what's going on? But she can jump like five times or higher like she'll just jump like way up in the air she flies she flies it's crazy. So you have seven living things at your house. Yeah mine's the woodpecker. Correct me if I'm wrong you guys got engaged in June and then married in September right? Yeah

so three month engagement. You started dating three months before you were engaged. So hold up, let's do some math. March is when you guys started dating? Yeah. Crazy. Early, early March, yeah. Wow, that is really, that's fast.

How? It is fast, it didn't even feel fast. It didn't feel fast. It's like it's like. It felt like it was taking forever, honestly. It was like, we had known each other before that for a little while. And I had actually asked her out, she rejected me me and so then I had to wait like a year when did that happen? How far back I was like that was March 17th the year before

Why did you know the dates? Why did you tell him no? I didn't think that he asked me out actually I would have probably told him no No, he asked me to go to church and I was already had plans to go to church with some of my friends so I was like I'm sorry I have plans and he just gave up super quickly so I don't take that as a matter of- And then I like texted her like how was church and she's just like good. I was like okay cool. I was very content in my singleness and didn't want to open the door for anything or anybody and

But so then then I just kind of like waited for a while I was like, so we just like kept hanging out because she lived like two hours away Yeah, so we just kept hanging out like in our friend group and then I was like our friend group It was definitely my friend group and he befriended all my friends I hang out with her way more than she did though. She lived so far away. So we always hung out. Yeah And then when she'd come up, we'd all hang out with her, you know, she did though. She lived so far away so we always hung out. And then when she'd come up we'd all hang out with her. I'd let you in the friend group sometimes. I really actually got to know Maverick through my friends more at first.

So like the year I think it was that he was hanging out with my friend group. All my girlfriends were calling me and like wow this guy's like so amazing and I'm like oh did I just like lose my shot there? I just kind of told him no and disregarded him. But over the year I'd come up to see my friends in Dallas and he would always be there just worming his way into the friend group. And I got to know him and saw that he's not like

this arrogant social media guy. Dude, everyone thinks that. They just all think like, because you do social media, like you're this like self-obsessed, like arrogant person I feel like. Well not everybody. I think it's just your personality. I don't feel like I do that on social media. No not on social media. I think, no even if you didn't have social media at all you're just very confident. Well thank you. Well you're welcome. No I mean there's I think it's I think it was just you.

I don't think other people think that Cuz like I don't know I feel like when I meet like most of our fans are younger though So they're like 16 15 year old girls So like when I meet them, it's just like different like I feel like older people just have a different view on it Yeah, there's definitely like a stereotype for sure. Yeah, you said you were really content in your singleness But then all of a sudden now you're married a year later like what changed I think I was content in your singleness, but then all of a sudden now you're married a year later. What changed? I think I was content in my singleness, but open to the possibility of somebody who fit into my life really well and also really loved the Lord and put him as the main priority

in his life. So getting to know Maverick over that year, I realized he has a truly kind heart and he does love the Lord and he pours into his friendships and he's a really great guy. And so then I kinda, I opened the door a little bit and I was like, maybe, we'll see if he's still interested. And probably January, this year, just crazy. It feels like it's been forever,

but it's only been like seven months. But yeah, January I was like, okay, maybe I'll be open to the idea. Talked to my friends about it and they were like, you should go for it, Kinsey. I'm like, I'm not gonna put myself out there. I'm gonna let him come back if he wants to. And so I prayed about it for like a month or so

and I was like, God, if this is what you had for me, please open Maverick's heart to come and pursue me again because I'm really content with where I am. I'm not gonna go after him because I don don't feel the need but if this is what you have for me then place it on his heart to do so and probably a month after that he came up to me and asked me on a date and I was like whoa that's crazy wow it only took a month thanks God and he came up asked me on a date and I said yes. You said pursue me again which means you knew that you rejected me. Okay, well, it was-

I was afraid I lost my shot. Yeah. Yeah, I knew he was interested, but I did not consider that asking me on a date. Did you reject him because you thought he was this arrogant prick? Yeah, pretty much, no. So, to be fair-

That was before I even knew about social media though, too. To be fair. I went to a porch gala the night I met her, which is just like a, it's just this gala thing. For church. Yeah. The porch is a church. And I went and there was a group of us, and so I was dressed in a tux kind of outfit thing,

and I went to this honky tonk, so nobody else is dressed like that. The girls that were with us and everybody, everybody's in these nice like gowns and stuff. So we show up there and we probably did look a little out of place. And then I saw her and I was like, I'll ask her to dance.

Like, I'll ask, I'll see if she wants to dance. Like everyone's wearing jeans and a t-shirt and he has like this suit on with this little thing and button and I'm like, oh, this guy's cool himself. But I knew from just asking girls to dance too, I was like, I can't just ask her to dance. I'm gonna ask her friend to dance first. Cause I didn't, A, didn't want to get rejected by her.

And B, if her friend says yes, then I can dance with her friend. And then I felt like she would just be like, well, I thought he was coming up to me. Like I want to dance with him. And like create this like. He thought he was playing a tactic. I thought he was just playing the field

and asking every single girl to dance. Yeah, so she definitely thought after that that I was like kind of a player because I literally asked her friends to dance first and then I was like, oh, I guess I'll dance with you too. Like if you want. Isn't that funny how you can overthink something and end up screwing yourself over?

Like just keep it simple. Don't overthink it. I've done dumb stuff like that before. What drew you to Kenzie? Man, so like the first night I actually met her, she, I've told the story before but she was wearing like a Christian t-shirt and I go out to the like honky tonk like every weekend pretty much. Can you clarify what a honky tonk is by the way? Like a dance hall. Yeah, it's like a dance hall. So I would go like two-stepping like every weekend and I saw and everybody's always like Maverick

You're never gonna find a girl at the bar. Like what are you even doing there? Like it's pointless and I didn't drink or anything I just go there to dance like I really enjoyed it And so I'd be I was there and I saw like she had a Christian t-shirt on it was like maybe she's a Christian I know she just have like a Christian t-shirt on or whatever like I'll see and so I asked her to dance All right I complimented your shirt then asked asked you to dance. And just kind of like, when we were dancing, talked to her just a little bit. And I was like, okay, she's really pretty.

She seems like, she like has some, like normally when I would talk to a girl and I'd say, hey, are you a Christian? Like, and I start like talking to them about that. I can kind of quickly tell like, oh, like you don't really read any books like outside of anything. You don't really read your Bible.

Like you can kind of just get the hint when you're talking to them, their knowledge and where their heart's at. And when I was talking to her, I was just like, oh, her heart's in a really good place. And when I bring stuff up, she's like, oh, I really like that pastor, I really like that book or whatever.

And she just kind of already was in the same space as I was, we were in the same place on our journey in faith. And so I was like, maybe there's potential. We're now just starting to talk to our friends more. John 3.16, go. Christmas 4. there's potential. When I started talking to my friends. John 316, go. Christmas 413, go. You got like your flashcards. Yeah, yeah.

No, I was pretty interviewy. I'm not going to lie. Like, I was pretty quick. It's funny, though, too, because I feel like the way we dated, other people would be like, wow, you are so intense. But like even our first date, we didn't just sit around and like, oh, what's your sister's name? What's your brother's name? What's your's name? What's your brother's name?

What's your favorite color? What's your dog's name? It was more like very intentional, what's your religion? What do you believe about these politics? What do you see yourself in five years? It was very intentional from the start. So every day after that, it was just really, really big topics.

So it was like, we got to know each other pretty quick, pretty fast. Because- But we already had like a lot, like I feel like when you ask a girl out randomly on a date, it's like, oh, let's go have some fun or something. Let's go mini golf. Let's go do something to see if we can have fun with each other.

And we had already been in the friend group with each other enough to know like, hey, we can have a good time hanging out. Like we know that. So like, let's see like really when it gets down to like the bare bones of what we believe and what we want in a family, if like we agree on those things.

So that's what we did on the first date. I mean, I guess it worked. That's really cool. I totally understand because even like, I think way back, way, way back when we first started. Five years ago we got married. No, honey, I'm talking about like eight years ago. You're so young.

How did you guys meet? Eight and a half years ago. We met at a theater. At a theater? Like a... Like a movie theater? No. We're performers. We did theater. We were theater kids. Okay. We weren't theater kids, but we were theater kids, if that makes sense. Okay. No, we were theater kids. And I think back to like when we first started dating, we were kind of like that. Like we moved really fast, but we still waited three three years in America because we were so young

Months I knew we were gonna get married So we started dating at 17 and 18 and they got married at 21 and 20 But I hated people like you guys when we were engaged because there were like two different couples that got like started dating Got engaged and got married all the time that we were engaged Yes started dating, got engaged, and got married all the time that we were engaged. And you're like, are we slow? Yes. What's going on? I was like, DAAA! Because we were engaged for 13 months. Yeah.

Oh, goodness. So, so yeah. That's not like, wrong though. But we were waiting till marriage, so that's why I was like, man, these people who just, like, they just went so, I was like, okay, I'm jealous, you know? Were y'all waiting because of, like, wedding planning or y'all waiting for a certain point in life? What were y'all waiting for? No, we were waiting, like waiting till marriage?

Like what do you mean? No, I mean, why did y'all wait 13 months as an engagement? Oh, honestly, just planning the wedding. Like- I think it was logistics. Like his brother was gonna get married before us and we wanted to like respect that because they'd been dating longer

and then they were getting married. And so we planned our wedding two weeks after theirs. Once they finally set their date, and so we're like, okay, now I gotta wait. We were also in college too. So I guess we could have gotten married between first and second semester of sophomore year. But it was just like, logistically,

it works out better. But yeah, so you guys got, when you guys got married, you're still the same age as you were a month ago when you got married, right? Yeah, you're still 23 and 24. By the way, we realized this today, you guys, we have like pretty much every single person in their mid twenties represented in this room right now. Cause we have 23, 24, Abby's 25 and I'm 26. How awesome and cool is that? I was literally just thinking about this day. I was like, I love 25. I feel like 25 is a really good number. Right in the middle. So you guys have a lot to look

forward to. Oh good. I turned 25 in December. So. Nice. Same in the middle. You guys have a lot to look forward to. Oh, good. I turned 25 in December. Nice. Same. Well, my birthday's in December. When's your birthday? The first. We're all three December.

When are you? June. June 18th is my birthday. You just left out, man. Yeah. I am. Left off the couch, left out of the birthday. Yeah, you all kicked off the couch.

I know. So, you guys admitted, you're like, we're definitely still in the honeymoon phase, which is understandable and great and blissful, beautiful. Are you at all worried for when conflict comes? You're like, well, we're already married. Oh crap. No, she listens pretty well. Oh my gosh, be quiet.

No, I mean, we could, but I mean, we went through the ways we kind of deal with conflict and things like that before we got married. So just like kind of the prep, we read some books on marriage before we got married together and went through those and studied them. And I feel like we're prepared, but ultimately there's gonna be stuff that comes up.

And I mean, it's gonna be stupid stuff. I don't think it's gonna be the big things, but it's gonna be the little things of like just you left your toothbrush here yeah it's just gonna be little things I feel like that's gonna like eventually like we'll have some sort of fight but so far it's all like pretty meaningless the dog maybe the dog might be a conflict I feel like I just secretly remember two years into when Abby and I were dating that we started to have the infatuation wear off and it was so fascinating because like I just secretly remember two years into when Abby and I were dating that we started to have the infatuation wear off.

And it was so fascinating because like I knew that we still like loved each other, really liked each other, but it was like almost like this veil went away because it's the beginning of a relationship is so awesome. Like it really is like a drug, especially especially as someone who's ADHD and like people with ADHD like lack dopamine So they get like hits of dopamine when they do something crazy like skydive or whatever like that Fall in love like it was literally like a drug and so I feel I Yeah, you guys are in a really cool spot because it's like you're on drugs right now This like very natural like like amazing, totally normal drug of like love and that's, it's a cool place to be.

But also when things don't feel as crazy exciting in what, a year and a half from now, I feel like that's okay. Like you'll just recognize like, hey, it's, we're gonna, we're gonna keep being best friends because that's what we are, you know? Yeah. Was that weird for you guys? I mean, especially for you guys, like you guys dated

a while before. So it's like by the time you were married, you, I feel weird for you guys? I mean, especially for you guys, like you guys dated a while before. Yeah. So it's like by the time you were married, you, I feel like, obviously you guys were still waiting till marriage for some things, but like you still had like that like bond and connection. Not necessarily, I mean, you get it with dating too,

like that like honeymoon phase and dating. Like, was that like, when that wore off, was it like weird? And then it was like, oh, it's starting again when you're married? Yeah, I think it wasn't like, we were still like, we were extremely clean couple like We talked 24 7 like all the time

Yeah, we're always hanging out and always wanted to be with each other we worked together Like any job we could work together like we wanted to do that. Yeah, we're gonna get the same jobs Yeah, we're working at pizza place together a steak restaurant That's so fun though And then we had the wedding to like look forward to and all that was like so exciting. And then we got married and we were finally living together and then it was like a whole new, like you said,

like a new infatuation stage. And like, I don't know, it wasn't like it wore off. We were like, oh man, now we have this wedding. Like it wasn't like that, but it was just like new things to look forward to and be excited about. Thank you to Gooder for sponsoring this portion of today's episode. You're just never gonna catch me spending

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You're still like that, dude. I guess I am still like that, but I was like this is awesome I was like this is this is so cool there's actually I guess I am still like that but I was like really like that and I remember we made this tick-tock back in 2020 there was a trend going on where you basically like the the wife or whatever would like undress and get their husband's reaction with like the camera maybe we could stand but it was like it was like, it was genuinely like, it was genuinely how I felt in that moment and did, you know, still do. But like a lot of comments were like, man, this guy's clearly like a newlywed

and we'd only been married for a year. But I just, I don't know. It was like such a fun, such a fun thing. I don't know. No, it is sick. It's sick because you like, you get to be intimate with a person on a different level Then you've ever been and you know like man this person like cares for me in a different way And you're just like you're so connected just to have those boundaries crossed

It's just it feels so taboo at first, but it's also so like amazing. Yeah Yeah, do you feel that same way right now? Is that like what's that? Time I look at you. I mean you No, um, yeah, no, you, I mean you. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. That's hilarious. No, yeah, no dude. I mean it's totally different. Like just going from like dating to being married and living together and experiencing life together,

making decisions together, the whole thing is different. But no, I mean, yeah. That's funny you say that though. I've never actually, okay. I haven't really talked to you about this, but that's funny you say that because on the honeymoon we shower together every single shower. In my head I was like, oh this is exciting, but I was also like, I'm never going to get a shower alone again.

This is horrible. I feel like how am I going to do my everything shower with someone in my hand? I know. Literally through my mind I was like, how am I going to, like, this is horrible. I can't shave my legs in here. This is impractical. Yes, but we have since veered away from showering every single shower together, but it was,

that was something. She tries to sneak showers, like she'll wait till like I'm busy and then she'll go shower. Dude, you gotta get a shower where there's two shower heads in the same shower, cause we just moved and the new house happened to have a shower. Oh, is it amazing? With two shower heads, it's awesome.

It's great for the fifth or sixth year of marriage. We were like, I still want to see you, but I want you over there. And we can control the temperatures, right? So like, Abby wants to burn her skin off while she's taking a shower. And I love my skin enough to not put the water scalding hot. So it's great. Yeah. Dude, yeah, I get like red, red. Like when I come out in the summer. He comes out of the shower like a tomato. I'm like, you didn't just get clean because you were sweating the whole time. Like what?

I want it like steaming in there. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Like literally like sweating. Like I want to sweat like in the shower. Like sauna vibes. No. No, no, I love it.

Right now we have like a tiny shower because like we're still living in like my old bedroom. So it's like, I mean, we've obviously, she's remodeled the whole thing because I just had like one pillow and like you know mattress on the ground. He had zero decorations he had actually he had one picture but he used that picture to cover the window because the window is too bright and he couldn't be bothered to go buy curtains so the room looks completely different now but yeah the bathroom is it's a nice bathroom but it's definitely like a guest bathroom or like

A child's bathroom. It's a small bathroom. Yeah, but we make it work But we're gonna hopefully Hopefully within the next year we'll get into a house of our own. Yeah. Oh really? Yeah, it's just like right now It's like in Dallas. It's so hard like me and my brother still want to we have to like we just have to be next to each Other like we were even talking about it the other day. I was like dude, if we get two houses like right next to each other and I open my window in the morning and you open yours and I see you, it's just going to be like this like. Hey man.

So sad. Y'all can love each other from afar though. No it's just like we've lived together our whole life. Like we moved to LA together, we moved to Dallas together and we obviously grew up together. So it's like just being, not being able to be like, hey you wanna play Smash Bros? Hey you wanna play Apex?

Hey, what do you think of this idea? Hey let's step out on the porch and talk about this idea or whatever it is. Like we just can't. I can tell you guys are brothers. As a mom of two boys it's very heartwarming for me. I'm like, man I hope my boys are that close. Yeah, we're like extreme. I mean obviously like sometimes we want to kill each other but normally

we don't really fight. I feel like we don't really fight. We only fight over stuff that's like dominant stuff. It's like, oh I get up and he sits in my chair and it's like I was sitting there. Okay, yeah. Get up and give me my chair back and it's like, no I'm not gonna give you your chair Like I'm sitting here now I think their main problem is that they work together too And so if one of them's at their house and the other ones at the other house at 9 p.m How are they gonna talk about a thumbnail? I'm like you can call each other No, you understand the back porch is where we go to talk about thumbnails. Okay. Okay. It's just not the same

It's just not well, we'll see I think there's gonna be huge benefits to it Obviously like there's gonna be parts of it that'll see. I think there's gonna be huge benefits to it, obviously. Like there's gonna be parts of it that I'm gonna love, but there's also parts of it that I'm just like, and I hate to let it go. It's like the end of an era. Oh. Matt, tell them how much you loved

living with your life alone. Oh, yeah. No, it's good. And you could just walk in the kitchen and it would just be the two of you. Oh, yeah, it's good. Yeah, no. Living alone is great.

Yeah, no, I think, I think I can. I'm confused by his reaction. No, no, no. Uh, yo, it's good. Sorry, I'm trying to help you out. You look so suspicious. No, sorry, I'm sorry. No, we've actually, yeah, we've never lived with other people while, I'm actually lying

right now. Wow, we, like, Abby's parents live with us, but what am I doing right now? We lived just the two of us for four and a half years. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like especially in the beginning stages of your marriage, it's like a pivotal moment, like you kind of need your own space, but yeah. No, it'll be really good to have your own space. It really will. No, yeah, there's definitely parts I'm excited about, but there's other parts that I'm just like, it's just like, like we have such like, last night we had family dinner, like there's definitely parts I'm excited about, but there's other parts that I'm just like, it's just like, we have such like, last night we had family dinner, like everybody's down there, like we just,

we eat together, like we're always together. I mean, there's just, you walk in and you're just laughing because of what this person's doing. Like you're just always. There's something special about like having like community like that. And once we like start a family,

I think it'll be different because we're still gonna have that. But just like us two alone, I feel like, was it different once you guys had kids where you guys like, oh, this is just like, it's just more of a community, more of a family unit? Were you bored when it was just you two? Cause I feel like with kids you can't be bored.

Well actually when it was just the two of us, we would always, we are the type of people that would invite people over every night to have dinner. His brother lived close to us, him and his wife still do. We would have them over all the the time when we lived in Hawaii We were really close friends with our neighbors. We ate dinner with them every single night like Always like fine people, but yeah, it was I don't think was like boring It was like really special and I look back at that like in a sweet way

But then I also there's a lot of benefits like always having someone home. Yeah, it's really fun now, too I don't know. There's good things about both I think especially when you're like newlyweds That's like a time to like have your space maybe No, I am excited to get it are you guys actually looking at houses? Yeah, we've like well We haven't really I don't think we're gonna buy a house I'm probably gonna build a house because me and my brother we gotta be next to each other Yeah, so we're gonna have you're building two houses at we gotta be next to each other. So it's like, we're gonna have to start from scratch. Yeah. So we're gonna have to build.

Building two houses at the same time next to each other. Right next to each other. They want to do that with a warehouse type building so that they can have the studio for like the podcast and the club shoots, like just a bigger area and storage. Our house, the storage is crazy because there's just so many props in what we do. Yeah. And we throw a ton away, but there's still like the garage is filled to the max Yeah, so like y'all's podcast is like definitely more like kind of like relaxed compared to ours

I feel like ours is a little chaotic And so like like right now there's a hole in our wall that's like this big from our podcast Oh, wow, it's just like stuff just happens like on the episode Yeah, like you she threw a pumpkin through the wall. Cash punched the wall the other day. We said I fire extinguished cash on the podcast the other day. There's just stuff that happens like all the time and doing it in your house is like the entire house was covered with this

fire extinguisher dust like that thing like all the way down like in the kitchen into the pantry like everything was covered. It was crazy. How did you clean that? You actually used a fire exting, like in the kitchen, into the pantry. Like everything was covered. It was crazy. How did you clean that? You actually used a fire extinguisher, like you used one in the house. A full one, like just sprayed him completely. Isn't that dangerous? Oh, we couldn't breathe.

We had to all leave the house. Yeah. It was so much. I'm sure there's some harmful chemicals in that, right? Probably, but the worst part really was the cleaning. We had to hire multiple people to come over and just like help clean the house because it was so thick everywhere. Just this dust. That was a rough day for me for sure because I'm new

to the whole social media thing and so when things like that happen I'm like, oh my gosh, this is overwhelming and our bedroom is right next to where we shoot the podcast and so little dust particles have now covered every single new item that I got from my registry and I'm like, everything is destroyed. That's really tough. Did you know you were signing up for that when you got married? I didn't know the fire extinguisher was a hard deal, but yeah, I knew the podcast

and everything that came along with it. And they're crazy just on their own. Even if they didn't have the podcast, I feel like those two guys would just destroy a house anyways, just for fun. But. I want to talk a little bit about the wedding because I saw a couple

clips from it. It looked beautiful. Oh, I thought it was. And was it pretty big? It looks like there's a lot of people. There were a little over 200, like 230. Nice. And Cash was your best man. Yeah. That speech was insane. Oh, you watched his speech. Yes, I watched his speech. That wedding speech was crazy. We'll have to show you all his speech after this. We can't unfortunately share it on camera, but we'll have to show you afterwards. You gave a speech? I gave a speech at Cash's wedding. Oh, okay. And yours was crazy? Yours was worse than Cash's. Oh, can't be here. Yeah. And so that's when we were like, oh, this was really funny. We should, and we filmed that one. We were like, we want to post it. But it was like a little too much that we were like, we can't post this. Okay.'re like we can't post in front of how many guests his had like 170 maybe it was a lot and The thing it was like I didn't know any of her family or anything But nobody was really upset about it, but there was definitely some jokes in there that like I I can't really talk about it It was so funny

They like oh my or they just kind of used to how you guys, your guys' humor? Yeah. I mean, my parents, my dad knew it was coming because right before I went out, I was like, hey, there's a joke in here about you and mom. And I just, before I say this, I got to get like some sort of green light. And he's like, he's like, I wouldn't do that. And I was like, you didn't say no. He's like, I would not do that.

And then he just left. I was like, okay. You're like, that wasn't enough. No, I would not do that. And then he just left. I was like, okay. I feel like that wasn't enough. No, I think it was yes. Oh yeah, I did it. It was good. But Cassius, I feel like Cassius was almost better just because he kissed the grandma in the wedding speech.

Which was like crazy. She's a good sport. My grandma is so funny anyways. She's like, I think she's about to be 80 and she still like dances in the kitchen And when she's in her socks, she'll run and slide across the floor So she's just hilarious and she's just a big ball of energy and whenever I told her before I was like I don't know what he's gonna do, but he told me he's gonna say something to you. So I'm sorry Oh, she had no idea. She know she know what he was gonna do and she was like, oh, it's okay

I'll be just fine. I'm just gonna be hilarious. I'm like, okay, if you say so. And he kissed her. Yeah, he was just making out with her grandma right in front of everybody. It was funny, but it was horrible. I think what shocked me most was

Cash's sex joke with like, yeah, your mom and your parents. The one about your parents. It just wasn't a joke and that was what was so sad about it. Sex joke with like yeah, you're your mom and your parents. What about your parents? It just wasn't a joke and that was what was so sad about it No, he legit thought that too like he thought when my parents were so Yeah, so my mom obviously like she prayed like she would all she was always praying she'd go out in the yard and like set a blanket out out and just pray and do her Bible studies and stuff like that. And she'd cry a lot of times when she would pray.

And I mean, as a kid, we were just like, oh, mom's just crying and praying. We don't really know. And so, yeah, at night, things sound similar to crying sometimes and he just thought, oh, mom's just praying. And he had the room right next to theirs and he was like, man, mom prays all night.

Like this is praying all night. That right there is why you guys need to get out of that house with everyone else living in it. Dude I mean it's not really a problem. I don't like here's the thing is like if Cash and Kate are like doing something like I just don't care like I'm just like oh like door shut. It's because he has a man mindset who they just don't care about anything. Yeah it's like it's like oh whatever like you go, like, well, I'll see you in 30 minutes or an hour or whatever. I don't feel so good about that one. Dude, I don't know, I mean, I get it, but at the same time, like, there's something weird, like, we, we had some neighbors at one point that were, like, we heard everything. Really? From the house away? Oh, no. Wait, we're going to house? Wait, they were the house, the house over? No. We didn't have AC so we had to always have the windows open.

Yeah, you always had the windows open there. Close houses. We're not crazy. Yeah, that was, we kind of crammed in there like sardines. Yeah, moving right, this is about you guys. I like hearing you all doing this. Have you guys been caught? No, no.

I mean like, unless you consider like that being caught, but like what do guys been caught? No, no. I mean, unless you consider that being caught, but what do you mean caught? Like somebody walked in on you or something like that. No, no, no. Has that happened to you guys? No. No. Thank the Lord. I would be like, we're done, we're making out,

it's over, I don't care if you love your brother that much, we're out. I would need a five year hiatus from seeing that family member. Yes. We're not seeing each other, we're not talking to each other. Nothing can happen at this point. There's no cash though if he walked in he'd just be like, I don't know, he'd just be like cheering on or something. He'd

like walk out and just be like, yeah. No, no. He makes everything a joke. That's hilarious. Switch the topic. Switch the topic. Okay, um. Is this what y'all's podcast is? You guys just talk about sex? Is that what this is? Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes it comes up, you know, it just depends on the conversation. It just comes up in everyday life for us all. Is it when you're down and you're like, oh, we gotta talk about sex? I'm like, no, there's a line. There is definitely a line. So the wedding, what was planning like? You only had three months to get that together.

Oh gosh, it was crazy. The reason we we did three months because he was all about three months He was for it, but I was like this is insane can't plan a wedding in three months But the venue that we wanted it was either then or wait a year and a half And I'm not waiting a year and a half. So yeah, we had to grind on that Everything kind of fell into our laps. Honestly, I feel like like my wedding dress It wasn't supposed to be ready until like a month after the wedding and then the next day they called and they're like actually we Can have it three weeks before and I was like, okay, like I'll sign the check Let's go and then the flowers the lady who owns the venue

She has a best friend who does flowers and she reached out to us And so we ended up going with that The only thing that was a little difficult was the food but cuz Maverick's a little picky and also I didn't care though. Just fried some chicken tenders only is that we were gonna do that actually. We were gonna do that. I had like contacted Canes and Canes was like down to do it like they were they were gonna do the whole catering for the wedding um but they ended up being like hey like we can't really do that many people without doing like a food truck and then I talked to the venue and the venue is like, no, like it would take hours for people to go through the food

truck and like get all their food. Cause you got to have everybody get their food pretty quick and then everybody sit down. And so that didn't work, but they were like, they were Cane's was ready to cater the whole thing. Chicken tenders and fries. I was like, that'll be dope. We had friends that did that for their wedding.

They actually did like a carnival theme. They got a carousel, no, a Ferris wheel. Oh wow. That they had at their wedding. They actually did like a carnival theme. They got a carousel, no, a ferris wheel that they had at their wedding. Yeah, so I know it's crazy. They had canes. They had canes? That's awesome. I just thought it'd be such a cute picture of us

like eating canes in like a wedding dress and it's cute. I was like, that'd be so cute, but it didn't happen, that's okay. You found a caterer? Yes, it's crazy. You put the word wedding next to anything and it's now ten times more expensive. Yes, it's crazy.

It's insane. But the caterer we chose was on the cheaper end of all the ones that we found. Which is still crazy. It was still crazy expensive, but it tasted phenomenal. That's good. I would not change it. He might change it. He didn't eat anything, but he's fine.

The wedding planning was hard, but it was, I mean, it's really, I feel like as hard as you make it sometimes. Yeah. That's true. Like when you're planning a wedding, it's like, you can sit there and like go over like every little thing, like what the knives are gonna be, what forks you're gonna use, or you can just make a decision, just go. Who's idea was it to get like, to go from dating,

to engage like all that process in six months? We kind of glossed over the proposal. Yeah, we did, but I'm curious, like who, yeah, whose idea was that? Well, I think it was mutual, but he definitely led the charge on that idea was that? Well, he definitely led the charge on that. Yeah, I mean I was just kind of like I mean I told her like before we even started dating really I was like I don't want to date

very long there's no point if like like as soon as I know like I want to get married like there's no I didn't see any point like waiting. Yeah. So I was just like hey like this is probably gonna be like anywhere from three months to like seven or eight months and then like we'll'll be engaged, like if we date. He was like, either we're gonna date for like a month and it's not gonna happen and I'll not see you again or it's gonna be three or four months and I'm gonna know and then we're gonna get engaged.

So he definitely had that mindset going into it. That was hard though, planning the engagement. So I planned, it was a surprise engagement and it was like, I did like a whole video for it and stuff, and that was hard to do, to plan like a whole, I mean, you guys know from planning videos, like trying to plan a video behind your spouse's back, like while they're there all the time,

and then like get them there and surprise them and everything work out good, it was so difficult. I realized, I was so excited to get engaged, and I was like, we're engaged, and then like that next week I realized how many people in my family lied to me. I was like He lied so much so much I was lying every day He told me he was making a music video But he sent me the song for the music video and I was like, this is kind of a horrible song

This is did you make a whole song? Yeah, you make a whole song? He made a whole new song. To throw her off? Oh you made a fake song. It was so sad. I was like I hate you. It was crazy. It was pretty mean and she was like I mean I don't think it's a very kind song but like it's fine like you know. I was like this is gonna be a horrible music video but whatever and then um we were supposed I was supposed to be in the music video and so is is Kate, our sister-in-law, and we were both supposed to wear white dresses, and just conveniently the day of, she was like, oh no, my dress got stained in the wash,

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A bunch of our friends are also dancers, and so they're dancing in a circle. And me and Mav get in the circle to start dancing, and he's slowly going towards the middle, and I was like, don't do this, don't do this, please. Because it's just like you to want to be in the center and just be like the main point of attention. Of my own music video?

Yeah, it's kind of crazy. I was like, no please, please. And he was like, Kenzie, just go with it, go with it. I was like, oh fine, okay. I won't ruin the video for you, I'll just keep going. And so now we're dancing in the middle. He says, just like you. And then his friend Chase, who is our videographer,

starts yelling out all these commands that don't make any sense to me, but they had all been practicing before I got there and I didn't know that. So everyone just kind of like vanished or they went to the side and then we were still dancing and I was like, oh no, know that. So everyone just kind of like vanished or they like went to the side and then we were still dancing and I was like, oh no, no, I'm really the center of attention.

This is not good. But then he gets down on one knee and I was like, oh, so exciting. And then my family was hiding behind the cars in the background. That is sweet. Yeah, it was awesome. It was perfect.

That's a grand gesture. Yeah, that was a lot. Yeah, you should be thankful. I am so thankful, So grateful for you. Did you guys, hold up, did you guys kiss when you got engaged? Because I think they didn't Cash and Kate kiss when they got engaged. That was so gross. It's like on film and like I never saw them kiss and Kate was always like, I mean she was just always there like she was always like a part of our life and so it was like they just like, brother and sister almost to me.

And so then, it's like at the engagement, they kiss and they're just like, and I'm like, oh! It just looked wrong. Cause I was like, I literally felt like my sister and brother kissed. Yeah, I was like, stop kissing your sister, man. It was crazy.

But no, we didn't kiss at ours. No. No. So you straight up didn't kiss the whole engagement. No, didn't kiss at all. No. So you straight up didn't kiss the whole engagement? No, didn't kiss at all. Dating, wow, okay. But we had a shorter engagement, it was only six months. Yeah.

It still felt like forever, I think, personally, but. We're like, kisses on the cheek, okay? Yeah, we did kiss on the cheek. Okay, yeah. But yeah, we didn't wanna make out or anything, because we were both like, hey, with sexual boundaries and stuff, for us, we were like, that's probably going to like start

to like lead us down like where we don't want to go. Because it's like so easy, especially when you're dating and it's new and it's like, you just in love and you just want to like be with the person to just like get carried away. And we were like, hey, like let's like, just try to put those barriers in place so we don't. And it helped a lot. We actually talked about that before like officially dating because we knew that in previous relationships we'd cross boundaries that we didn't want to and we were a little

bit ashamed of and so we kind of laid it all out on the line. We're like, hey, even though kissing is not inherently bad, we're going to draw this line far away from the boundary that we don't want to cross so that way we don't even touch it with our toe. Like we don't want to cross so that way we don't even touch it with our toe like we don't want to get close at all so let's just draw the sign in the sand it'll keep us from getting even close yeah I don't regret a thing it was sweet to have our even though it's kind of weird probably to have our first kiss in front of two hundred people. I feel like kissing in front of people is just weird regardless

yeah like when you're like up there everybody's like and you're just like, I'm just gonna kiss now. I feel like we kiss a lot. That's true, I do love some good PDA. I'm a PDA. Yeah, we do, we kind of always have. Oh well. Well I feel like, I remember, yeah, cause like your parents kiss in front of us, my parents kiss in front of us.

No a kiss is fine, but like a lip lock like making out. No yeah, that's way too much. Did you guys lip lock in front of everyone at your wedding? I mean at your wedding, yeah, you're kind of like, we kissed for like four seconds. Oh, you timed it? Okay. I think we kind of kissed for a while. Something like that, yeah.

No, we didn't time it. One Mississippi, two, no. No, but is our music, or not music video, is our wedding video out? No, it's not. Well, whenever it does get posted, y'all will be able to see, like, I don't know if actually if he cut it out, but I kind of hesitated. I like backed up and I was like whoa and I was like wait okay this is okay now I can do this again so it was kind of funny to look back and be like oh whoopsie he's gonna do that. Did you guys ever have like a slip up with

kissing while you were waiting to kiss till marriage? We didn't kiss on the mouth ever but our kiss is on the cheek. There was like one or or two times I went in to kiss her just like out of instinct. It's like, oh, you're my girlfriend. I'm just going to kiss you. And she was like, what are you about to do? I was like, oh, sorry. I'm bad. I forgot.

I have to know, what were your parents' first impressions of Mav? I think they really liked Mav. It was more the social media that they were weary of. Okay. Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. I don't know. I didn't know that. You didn't know they were weary of. Really? Yeah. Oh wow. I don't know. I didn't know that. You didn't know they were weary of social media? I mean I assumed they probably didn't really know what it like entailed. They probably were like what is does he make any money? That's what I'm

talking about. Oh yeah. They were like well does this guy really have like a drive in life or is he just posting videos on social media? Because to them they have no clue what it is. They don't have social media at all. They don't have Facebook, what it is. They don't have social media at all. They don't have Facebook, Instagram, nothing. And so my dad now has TikTok though to watch me. He calls me all the time to tell me how unfunny my videos are, how they could be funny if I just did X, Y or Z. Oh my gosh.

Like, okay, thank you dad. Which I kind of love honestly. But no, at the beginning, they were very, very weary of like, okay, is this a real job? Cause also we were talking about me stopping my current job. And my dad's like, you just went through four years of college and now you've had this really good job for two years You're just gonna let it all go. It's like out the window. Everything you've done in your life is just gone I'm like, no

You're not looking at it the right way because this is a full-time job and really, because I did marketing and finance and I was like, those two things actually, crazy enough, helped me so much in the social media sphere. So I kind of outlined it that way of like, hey, it's a real job, I showed them like view numbers and like what that actually means behind the scenes and after like two months or so, he was like, okay, this makes sense. Like I understand now.

I still think they know a lot though. They don't know a lot anymore. And I feel like a lot of people don't, but like especially even as a YouTuber for a long time, I didn't, or before we did YouTube, when I was just doing like TikTok and stuff, like people don't understand like how much money is in YouTube and it's crazy.

And it's like, it just blows my mind still today. I'm like, this doesn't feel real. Like it's just it just blows my mind still today. I'm like this doesn't feel real. Like it's just such a blessing. Well outside of like money but like your drive to get things done like you and Cash are always like go, go, go, very business mindset. You're not just posting videos just to be self-centered

and be like oh look at me. You have a mind and a goal behind it. Sure, I mean yeah, I mean our goal, I mean you guys probably have similar goals or I don't know, but like, eventually we wanna be like out of the podcast, probably and out of like the space and still have like a brand or something that like continues on a little bit is like the goal.

Are you guys planning on doing anything like that? Or are you guys just like, we're taking this podcast to the grave? Oh, wow, I don't know, dude. That's crazy. I think I've been having a lot of fun doing the podcast. I wanna keep continuing with it, but yeah, I don't know. We That's that's crazy. I think I think I've been having a lot of fun doing the podcast I want to keep continuing with it. But yeah, I don't know. We've definitely thought of different ideas we could play with as far as creating a product, but I whenever we do that, I want it to be

Really good and I don't want to just like do something quickly like I want to be something that's Really gonna change people's lives for the better. Yeah, something that we've like put a lot of work into Oh, yeah, that's why we haven't done something like that yet because whatever it is, I want it to be, I want it to be really good. Yeah, we're not really, I mean, we've talked about products and we have some stuff like that that we'll be launching, but it's not like, that's what's gonna sell things.

It's just stuff that we're like, oh, some of our fans would probably really enjoy these things. But what I mean is more like an unplanned label or like an unplanned, maybe you guys have other podcasts like under, you know what I mean? Like you raise up talent under you or something. But you know what I mean?

Stuff like that is what we're looking at of doing like an LOL studio brand or something that we help bring other people up that have potential but don't have a platform and bring them on the podcast, integrate them in, maybe they have their own shows or whatever yeah things like that that's that is really cool that's cool you guys are like forward thinking like that but all that to say like after explaining that to my parents which my mom is like if you truly think that this guy is like a man of the lord and y'all have the same beliefs and y'all truly align in all these um characteristic traits

and values and morals then go for it but my dad was more like is he gonna be a provider is he gonna protect you yeah and so the forward thinking that you just said like that's what really got my dad to be like okay like yeah I'm here for them yeah I think they like me now was it hard for you guys like when you were like hey I'm gonna go propose dad we def yeah we definitely had some challenges there, but I think it was for us at least because the turnaround wasn't six months. I think we had a little bit more time

to work with our parents. Yeah, it's about time, son. I think ours was more so our age. We were really young. So they were like, okay, wait a minute. Were your parents freaked out? Yeah. Really? To say the least.

They were like, they loved Matt and they knew that he was gonna make it great. Well, I got engaged at 19. 19. And so they loved Matt, knew that he'd be my husband one day but they're like, just wait a minute, slow down. That's how my dad was. Up until a week before the wedding. He wants a rush.

Yeah. He was like, six more months, Kinsey, what's the problem? And I'm like, you don't understand, I wanna do it now. Aw. Talk to me more about the no kissing thing because I feel like that's so rare, especially in our world today. Did you guys have any people that were like,

whoa, that's so cool that you're doing that? Or did you have people that were saying, oh, why are you doing that? Tell me more about the feedback from friends, family. Sure. I'm so curious. I mean, there was definitely some family members. My dad was like, don't do that son. He, like, friends, family. Sure. I'm so curious. I mean, there was definitely some family members, like my dad was like, don't do that, son. He's like, that's a horrible idea. And I was like, well, you know, like it's something me and her decided, like, we're

going to do it, so we're going to do it. And he's like, what if she kisses, like, your mom? I was like, I was like, he said that word for word and I was like, what? I said, she kisses your mom. I said, first off, I don't know if you like kissed your mom a lot and you were worried about that, but that's not a fear of mine. I said, first off, I don't know if you like kissed your mom a lot and you were worried about that, but that's not a fear of mine. I haven't kissed mom like that.

And two, like that's your wife, dad. Like what do you mean? Why does she kiss just like my mom? That's funny. And so like, there was definitely some people that were like, thought it was weird. Some people thought it was cool, but ultimately we weren't really doing it for other people.

We didn't really care. It was just more of like a, I guess, our whole life is on social media, so we obviously put it on there. But yeah, we weren't really doing it for other people necessarily to think it's cool or to get feedback or anything. But there was definitely some people that were not for it.

I think both of our moms weren't against us not kissing, but they were very much like, why would you not? Do you not love each other? Or just get married just because? Yeah, they're like, is there a spark? You don't even know if there's any attraction. Both of our moms much like, why would you not? Do you not love each other? Or are you just gonna be married just because? Yeah, they're like, is there a spark? Like you don't even know if there's any attraction. Both of our moms were like, y'all don't love each other if you're not kissing.

And I was like, yes we do. What? No, yeah, there are definitely people who comment. They're like, this is so non-Christian. And I'm like, okay, well, commenters are gonna comment. So whatever. But as far as our, our people our age like our community groups they were very for it they were like no go like do like you

don't need to be kissing and stuff for marriage like you don't have to write it before you buy it or whatever they say so did that make it tricky though because like you're literally going from not kissing to on the wedding night like literally doing everything so was it no was it did it was it weird like trying to tell your brain? Hey, okay recalibrate now. This is all okay. Like what's walking through that process? It's right. It did feel a little weird like it's like not weird But I mean even I feel like that's for every couple though if you wait till marriage

It's like they're like, oh, I don't have to go to the closet to change I can just change right here if I want like there's always that like kind of weird. Yes, I feel like at first But no, it didn't feel weird because it's like that whole time, as I assume the same for you guys, it's like you're looking forward to it and you both know it's coming and you're both like, you're excited about it. It's not something that, maybe you were nervous,

but I wasn't nervous. I was just like, oh, I'm excited to get to be intimate with you and have that relationship. And so I wasn't really nervous about, oh, how do I kiss or anything like that? Like I went through high school, like I've kissed girls before, she's kissed guys before, like we know how to kiss, that wasn't the problem, it's just like, hey, to prevent us from going further down the line than we want to before marriage, let's not

kiss but we still like had that same like, I don't know, like affection for each other on the wedding night, it didn't really change anything. I thought I was gonna be nervous or scared especially like growing up with people who waited and they've all had kind of stories of oh it's like you flip it you have to flip a switch and it just feels weird because before you're taught this is bad bad bad and now all of a sudden it's good. That's crazy. I don't feel like that at all. Well, his parents were very verbal about how much they loved each other. But I don't like- They prayed a lot.

They did pray a lot apparently. But no, I don't think that I felt that way the night of if anything, I was just excited. I really thought I was gonna be nervous. Was it awkward for you guys? Were you guys like, oh. No, I've just heard those stories like people, like if you have-

I think that's the fear that other people that didn't do that choose to do that. For us, like we we didn't we weren't doing the no kissing thing so for us it wasn't like we were that far removed from like actual sex yeah so i feel like to go that far away from it i don't know i just imagine in my brain i would be like there's i don't know it'd be really hard to recalibrate. Sure. Is what I'm saying. And I've heard that from other people, so I guess I'm like shocked that for you guys

it wasn't that way at all, which I'm like so happy for you guys that it wasn't a challenge, because that would be, that would suck if your brain's telling you this is bad, but then it's okay, you know? Well, I think we were still very attracted to each other, and it wasn't that we didn't want to, it was just that we put that boundary in place yeah and thank goodness it wasn't more than six months because we probably would have crossed the boundary that we didn't want to if we were half-weighted because we were so attracted to each other it was yeah it was difficult it wasn't a switch in our mind of okay now i'm allowed to be attracted to this person and now i can be physically intimate with them

because we did like like i think maverick is very much so for PDA and I'm very much so somebody who's like don't touch me like I'll hug you whenever I'm saying goodbye But like I'm just like if me and my friends are sitting on the couch like watching a movie I'm not a girl to like cuddle with another girl Like it's just not me but as soon as I started dating maverick I don't know why I was switch flipped and just felt comfortable and now PDA is an okay thing to an extent. But no, I think because we were so like physically intimate without crossing severe boundaries, it was easy, at least for me to move on to that next stage.

Yeah. I mean, I think it's like, it wasn't a bad experience for us. I would encourage other people to do it, honestly, just because it's like, if you're dating someone and they're like wanting to just do things all the time and like pursue that lifestyle of like, hey, let's make out and like maybe they're trying to even go further than that. It's like, hey, like if you're gonna get married, like you wanna make sure you're marrying someone I feel like that doesn't just love you for X, Y and Z.

You know what I mean? Like they're willing to wait for you, at least in some context, you know what I mean? To have that marriage with you and not just be like, oh I met you and you're beautiful and like let's make out. You know what I mean? I think it honestly helped us in like establishing those main pillars and why we were able to do it so quickly too is because we weren't focused on on the drug that you were talking about of love. Yes, we loved each other, but not in a sense of, oh, I just wanna make out with you all the time,

I'm so super attracted to you. We were so focused on, okay, here's my morals, here's your morals, do they align, and what does that look like in the future when we combine our lives together? We were so focused on having conversations like that instead of spending an hour, hour and a half being physical with each other.

And it just like excelled our relationship so much faster than if we were to be physical with each other. Totally, no, it's interesting too because there's actually data to back up like, and this is even stricter than what you guys said, but literal arranged marriages where people in other countries will arrange- I said I wish I was born married.

What? He's like, I hate being single, I hated dating. It was horrible. No, no, but like, I think something, and I would have to do a deeper dive into this. I'm not, you know, my job isn't like looking at data on marriage, but from what I've understood in these cultures, you know, there's also,

it's like very against culture for divorce to be a thing. So then I'm also like, are these couples staying together because they're afraid of, you know, being ostracized if they do get divorced. So it's like, yeah, the data does say that they stay married, but I'm like, is it a happy marriage? Is it a good marriage? It's a healthy marriage, because there's also a lot of unhappy married couples which is so sad. Like I think something you'll learn the longer that you're married and you have married friends, it's sad. There are people that stay married for a really long time and they're very unhappy and it's like why does that happen? Like no, that's so sad. Nobody gets married thinking that they're going to be

unhappily married for 30 years or 40 years or whatever. So, I don't know, I'm a bit of like a data nerd so I like to like read about that stuff. Yeah, but I want to commend you guys, like being vocal about something like that, that is like counter-cultural and in such a like eloquent way. Like it's clear you guys know your why behind it, especially when you have like an audience that's aged at like, like you said 15 and 16. That's like really cool and admirable. Thank you.irable and like I look up to you guys for that. Where'd you guys go on your honeymoon? The Dominican. Yeah we went down to the DR we had a lot of fun we went to like Monkey Island or whatever it's called and there was just like these little squirrel monkeys that like just like attack you like there was like 30 of them on us at one time. It was crazy. That's crazy. What else did we do? of them on us at one time. It was crazy. It was probably our favorite part of the whole thing. It was so fun. What else did we do?

We went scuba diving down there. That was crazy. The regulations in different countries are crazy compared to the United States. Like how strict in the United States you have to be. In the Dominican, I had been once before and I went with a group of some of my softball friends and we went through caves and stuff.

In the United States, you go through caves and they have like the railing, they're like don't touch the walls, they have little light fixtures that people have gone in. No, when we went to the caves in the Dominican, it was like get on your hands and knees and crawl around in these caves and bats are flying at you. It was like, people had clearly not gone through

their like workers and like made it safe. It was just a cave. But that was kind of how scooby diving was for us. It was like, they took us in the pool the day before and kinda taught us what we were and were not supposed to do. Have you guys been? We've never done scooby diving together.

I went when I was in middle school, but Abby's claustrophobic. I'm really afraid of that. If you're claustrophobic, you're not. I love a good adventure and I want to do cool, fun things, but for me, the claustrophobia, I'm like, I don. Yeah, if you're claustrophobic, you would not like it. I love a good adventure and I like want to do cool fun things But for me the claustrophobia, I'm like, I don't know if I could. Yeah You would not like it actually if you're claustrophobic

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to make sure that you don't just sink all the way to the bottom that you can like regulate and your ears don't pop and like your eardrums don't burst and we get out there and I thought there was gonna be like 20 people with us okay I thought it was gonna be like a group and it was just this huge excursion. We booked it through the hotel so we thought it was gonna be like a big thing right? Yeah but it was me and him and this one other girl who didn't speak English and we were were like, okay, maybe it's fine. It'll be all right. And we had to, which this is just me being a little bougie, I guess, but I had to carry

this huge tank all the way to the ocean. I don't know why I expected it to already be on the boat, but I walked like half a mile with this huge tank and I was like, okay, I'm tired. Now we got to go back. Let's go back. But we get out there and the scuba instructor, he was very kind, but he was talking so fast and I was like trying to, he already knew what to do.

All I knew was don't press these buttons, breathe slow. And I was like, okay, I guess that's all I need to know. He's like, jump off the boat, go to the front, hold the rope. And I was like, I know those words, I can do all those things. So we, all three of us jump off and we go, we hold hold the rope. I was like, I know those words, I can do all those things. So we all three of us jump off and we go we hold onto the rope. Oh, another rule was don't look up because it like puts air or water in your mask or something. He was like, only look straight or you

can look down. I was like, okay, I can remember that rule too. Maverick's not freaking out at all. I'm a little bit like, oh no, gosh, I'm like in the ocean and a shark barely speaks English. He knows like five words. Yeah. And so that'd be so true yeah and you're like I could literally die yeah oh and the rules like not look up I was so in my head I was like I'm not looking up because the first time I went to the beach I was 18 and the saltwater hit my eyes the first time and I was like I hate the beach I hate the saltwater it burns so bad cuz I didn't realize. I thought, oh, it's gonna be like chlorine.

It's gonna burn a little bit, but salt water is a whole different level. But anyway, so we're in the water and the instructor comes over to us and I'm like looking down, like trying to follow the rules, holding this rope. And all I see are these girls, Finn, the girl who is with us,

and she starts like flapping like losing her mind Just is freaking out and I was like surface level pretty much. Yeah, like our heads are still like Touching the oxygen. Okay, and the instructor comes over and like presses my little button and presses Mavericks button and presses her button The girl is still freaking out or we've gone like five feet now. She's flipping out. She's losing her mind can't breathe I feel like, can't breathe. I feel like I can't breathe just listening to this story. She couldn't breathe. Well, she could breathe.

She just felt like she couldn't breathe. Oh, okay. So she was freaking out. And obviously you can't talk, so she's just like moving her arms like flailing. Trying to do sign language and it's just, it wasn't working. Yeah, so the instructor took her back up but just left me a maverick. But you're supposed to use those buttons to like regulate yourself and like stop yourself from sinking. No, no, no, no. But the instructor told us the day before he was like don't press the buttons the instructor will do it

whatever you do don't press the buttons. I was like how deep is the water that you're in? It's about 50 feet. Yeah. So like we're at the top and like you can barely see the bottom down there. Yeah. Beginners aren't supposed to go below 30 feet you have to be certified to go below 30 feet and so have to be certified to go below 30 feet. And so we're just sinking. I was like, oh, he's gonna come back soon, right? I'm like panicking. I'm panicking too.

I'm still sinking. I'm panicking too. So she refuses to look up. So she doesn't even really know what's happening. And I'm sitting there just like holding her and I'm looking up and I see them start to swim off and I'm like, uh-oh, there goes our instructor. And we're just sinking slowly. And I'm like, oh, this isn't good. Yeah, I was. And I'm like, uh oh, there goes our instructor. And we're just sinking slowly.

And I'm like, oh, this isn't good. Yeah, I was. And I was like, well. I can't, I'm never going, I'm never going. You're fine. No, no, I mean, you can die. I don't think that's a normal thing that happens. Yeah, you can die, are you kidding me?

So we're sinking and I'm like, I'm just like starting to laugh a little bit because like, I know we're okay, like we can breathe, like everything's fine. But like, I'm also like, dude, I can't see the boat, I can't see the instructor, I can't see anything, and we're just in the middle of the ocean. And you're looking down, I would be like you,

I'm like, I'm not looking up. And we're way away from land, you can't even see land, so I'm like, oh, we're just out here in the middle of the ocean, not even on top of the ocean, under the ocean. You couldn't even paddle up if you wanted to. So then we're down there. You just weigh so much, and without that air in your vest,

swimming up is incredibly hard. So yeah, she's sitting there and refuses to look up. It's crazy. I've had issues with my ears since I was very little. I've had several sets of tubes in my ears. And so whenever I just go swimming in a regular pool, my ears will hurt sometimes. And so that was the one thing I was scared about

was going 30 feet down. I was like, oh, my ears. And I was like, you're fine. Just make sure you oh my ears Maverick's like you're fine just make sure you like blow really hard and like pop your ears like you do in an airplane and so as we're going down I'm looking down I'm holding Maverick's hand like a death grip and I'm like blowing my ears out as hard as I can I'm like we're gonna die it's over. We get to the bottom and I swear we're like those bottom. We're at the bottom of the ocean. Our feet are touching the ocean floor.

50 feet. You guys went all the way down. Yeah. So I'm looking around and I'm like, what the heck is happening? I was like, because I've been scuba diving. I'm like, this is not right. How long did it take?

How long has it been since you've seen the instructor? Oh, only like 20 seconds. Yeah. So we saw him. But then as we start going down, he disappears and he's swimming off with the girl. And we're like, OK. And then I'm looking and we're like halfway down by that point and I'm like, oh, we're still going.

And I'm like, all right, I know what these buttons do. I'm a professional, I can figure this out. So. We're like sitting on the ocean floor now for probably like 30 seconds. And you can't talk. No, and you can't talk. We're just like making signs, like are you okay,

your ears, like things like that. Oh. Yeah. But we're, I swear we're like those little faking-ries. I'm like laughing, I'm like trying not to laugh those little little fish bowl just standing on the ocean floor like what's happening but Madder starts trying to touch my buttons. She's freaking out. She's like get off my buttons. The guy the day before said don't touch the buttons and so I'm a rule follower. I'm like wrestling her underwater and she's only looking down too. So she's like I'm touching my buttons. I'm like give me your buttons. So he presses his own and he starts like rise up and he's only looking down too. So she's like, I'm not doing my buttons. I'm like, give me your buttons. So he presses his own and he starts to like rise up

and he's holding my hand. I like, like trying not to like look up. I'm like, okay press my buttons, press my buttons. Okay, press my buttons. He presses them, we go back to the top and we like look around and our little instructor is just on the boat. And I'm like, what the heck?

You left us. Yeah, and he comes back and he's like, we scuba now. I'm like, oh, we scuba now? Like, you just sent us. We just sc and he's like, we scuba now. I'm like, oh, we scuba now? Like, we're just scuba. We just scuba. We scuba. We're literally just trying to kill it. You guys know that you're supposed to wait, I think, isn't it 30 seconds or a minute per

10 feet of ascension? Yes, yes. Your ears will regulate. I made sure we went up slow, but we were sinking fast the first time. Did you guys, so did you guys do, is it a minute or 30 seconds to go up? I don't remember what it is, but it's with your lungs and your ears, so as long as you're popping your ears and you're breathing, like you're fine. You can get really sick. Yeah. Yeah, you can get sick, and if you throw up in your mask, you can actually die. Oh, they say if you throw up in your mask,

don't take your mask off. You have to like spit it out and just breathe through the throw up. We looked that up afterwards. Yeah, that's disgusting. If you take your mask off and throw up, you're instinctively like gonna suck in a bunch of water Yeah, also if you just like took a deep breath at 50 feet and swam up like your lungs would explode Oh, yeah, because the pressure is completely different at the yeah, you can't hold your breath Yeah, it was pretty crazy. Oh, yeah, but it was fun. It was fun It was fun because we survived but he came back down and then we did the whole scuba thing and that was fun It was not the girls not doing you for the rest of the time oh no she was freaked out she

was done I was the snack that's too much no it was like you guys are alive and that you're here you survived your honeymoon and now you have a funny story you can tell everybody dude tell your kids one day yeah we'll be like we nearly died on our honeymoon. Like literally. It was crazy. Okay, wait, speaking of kids, I wanna say you guys opened up on your podcast about like wanting to adopt.

And that's because you don't have a uterus, right? Correct, yes. Yeah, you shared about that. And I know that was probably like something that was scary to share online. It is a little scary to share online because people for whatever reason, they just feel the need for like hate comments and stuff.

But it turned out fine, you know, nobody really said anything hateful. And that was one of the big conversations that we had on our first day actually, which was- I was like, you're gonna have to tell this on the podcast as well. Yeah. Which I'm pretty open about talking about.

It's not, I don't feel broken because of it or anything, but it was something scary to share with Maverick just because I'm like, okay, this is like a future, like potential spouse. Yeah. He could possibly like turn away from me because of this, which is not something that is inherently like the worst thing ever.

Cause I'm like, oh, well, if he turns away, like then that's just not meant for me. Whoever is gonna be for me is somebody that is okay with adoption and not just okay with it, but super excited about it. Which was a huge, huge, huge green flag before we even started dating. One of the reasons I opened my heart back up

to say okay, maybe I'll be open to Maverick because of that actually. We kinda talked about adoption a little bit and he didn't even know that I was gonna adopt kids. He kind of brought it up on his own. So that was a big green flag for me. But no, yeah, sharing it was fine. What was that conversation like?

Because that is something like if you're very intentionally going about the dating process that like, it's good that you opened up about that early on. That was on our first date we opened up I mean we just kind of let all the skeletons out the closet it was almost like a like because we were both very comfortable being single we're like hey like we're fine being single like we don't need somebody to complete us like we're okay but it would be nice to have somebody too and so we were on that date it almost felt like she was like trauma dumping on me and I'm dumping on her and it was like this like

You don't want me like here's all my baggage. You don't want this And yeah, so she told me that I told her stuff about me too and it was just like and I told him I was like hey, like I don't want you to just off the bat be like Oh, that's okay with me because you're already kind of thinking about adoption I want you to go home and like sleep on it, really think about it, pray about it, and make sure that you're okay with that

because that's like a big life decision for you that you've never had to think about before. And I've had people that I've dated in the past be like, oh, it's okay. But then six months down the road be like, oh, you know what? I don't know if that's actually what I want for my life, which is completely okay,

but I don't wanna go six months down the road and then have wasted six months of my life. So that was something that happened in the past, the past relationship, someone said, hey, because we can't have kids, I wanna call things off. That wasn't the full reason, obviously we had other disagreements,

but that was something they were like, oh, well, here are some other options that you could possibly have kids if you do these few things, which I never was really open to. I was like, no, I'm really dead set on adoption, regardless of being able to have kids or not. Like that's something that I felt from a very young age. Because she does have eggs, but she doesn't have a uterus. So she would have to get like a uterine transplant or something like that or a surrogate. Oh, really? Situation. Okay. So you really so if you guys really, like we could have one of our own. Yeah. But we're definitely not gonna start there. Yeah.

We're at least gonna start with adoption. Yeah. And take it from there. But... That's exciting. Yeah. That's really cool. The first conversation was different though, because it was like I didn't expect it on

the first date. You know what I mean? Like we're sitting there talking about it and you know she's just like, hey, also I can't have kids. And when you hear that... Oh wait, I think I said that because He had asked me like what changed my mind towards him like why did I now open up and say okay? Hey, like yes

I'm willing to go on a date with you And I actually think that this is like a good thing and that was one of the reasons and so I was trying to like veer Away from sharing that on the first date But he kept like with not intentionally but kept kind of like prodding at that area and I was like I'm just gonna because you guys had already talked about adoption. Yeah. Yeah. Before you. Yeah. That you're just in a friend group. Yeah. Okay cool. But yeah when she first said it it was like a whoa because like even though I wanted to adopt being told like hey you can't have kids is like a scary thing.

You know, it's like, it's heavy. Like it's not a decision that you want to make. And on the first date, like there's no like for both of us, there was no like commitment there. Right. It's like, Hey, we can both go our separate ways. And like, I can go find somebody else eventually and she'll find somebody else and we'll both be happy people probably. And I'll have kids with whoever, right?

But after that first date, there was so much stuff that I just fell in love with and she fell in love with that we were just like, it doesn't matter. That's really sweet. Because we're still gonna have a family, you know? And it'll be a mixed family. It'll be different, it's gonna be fun. Oh, he's so excited.

He thinks he can pick his children. He's like, oh, my kids are gonna be D1 so much better Okay, are these parents are they college athletes like Being able to pick like even like you can pick your kid Joking boss thinks it's funny. He's not let me see their parents. Are they like like a dog? What's the bloodline? That's amazing any any medical history we know about He's really joking but also thinks it's funny. He's like, let me see their parents. Are they like a dog? Like, this is a good breed? Okay. What's the bloodline? That's amazing.

Any medical history we need to know about? So you were like 15 or 16 when you found this out about yourself. Yeah. Tell me what that was like. You know, I went to the doctor when I was, I think, about to turn 16 and I always felt like there was like something off,

but everyone kind of brushed it aside. They were like, oh, it's because you're an athlete. You're just smaller. You have to start. Because you weren't getting your period. Yeah, you'll just start later in life. And I was like, no, I think there's something wrong. And so going to the doctor the first time,

I honestly kind of felt like a lab rat a little bit because I walked in and I explained, hey, I haven't had my period. So she gave me some like hormone pills to kind of get me going like start like anything if there was able to have a period she was going to start it and like make it happen and so I did that for about a month and I came back and still hadn't had a period so she was like okay like let's do some more tests they took some blood work they did a ultrasound and the ultrasound they couldn't find a uterus, but she wasn't completely sure

so they wanted to do a vaginal ultrasound and At 15 I walked into that room to do that and I was like, nope I'm not doing this. I saw that that big stick and I was like, no, thank you I'll come back away later in life and So I was like nevermind but from from just the ultrasound I knew that I didn't have a uterus I just wasn't sure if I had ovaries okay and so that was the only question that I didn't know and I we didn't actually find that out until like a week before the wedding I went back to

the doctor and did some more tests and they found out okay you have ovaries you can have kids if you want but it would have to be through a surrogate or something. Was that a visit to the doctor a week before the wedding in reference to like birth control? Oh no, no, it was just cause I wanted to know fully like what all is happening, like what's going on. Okay. Okay, like bear with me here cause I am just

an ignorant man over here who doesn't like know the most about like you know you know a decent amount I know a decent amount but like we've had two babies that I was shocked when you said you have eggs because thinking that you didn't have a uterus and you having eggs I was like wait a second like don't you need the uterus to have the eggs so how yeah how do you have eggs if you don't have a uterus I guess you know I don't know either, but the doctor kind of showed me a diagram and I'm sure Abby would know a lot more than I do even because I've never had to go through the period so I never really looked into anything, but basically your uterus is kind of like a triangle and then yeah, yeah, I know what the diagram looks like. Yeah,

so then your fallopian tubes and then your eggs. Apparently I have those and they release hormones, that's why I look like a girl, I am a girl, like in every other way. So they're just kind of sitting there, I don't know really what they're attached to, I didn't ask that question actually, I should have I guess. Aren't the eggs, like if you're talking about a uterus like a triangle, aren't the eggs on like the two points, like if you're looking at the base of the triangle. I know that part. Okay, obviously the triangle is flipped upside down. Yeah. And then

like the point is is I'm I don't know. But yeah, yeah. No, yeah. So if the base of the triangle is if the triangles flip, I'm sorry, if the triangle flipped upside down, the two points of the base would be where the eggs are right and then they come through the uterus. Yes. Yeah. So you're from what I learned, correct me if I'm wrong, your period is, I, for whatever reason, I don't, I guess I understand why guys get so confused. I thought your period was like your egg dropping, but apparently an egg is like super microscopic. She thought eggs were like a chicken egg. Not, not like that big, but I just thought like your period was your egg, but it's not. No, no, no. It's shedding, it's shedding the uterine wall, right?

Yeah, yeah. The lining. Yeah. Because it. Because that's the preparation for the baby, right? And so it's like, oh, we don't need this. Let's get rid of it. That was one of my questions. I'm sure the doctor thought I was so dumb, but she was so sweet and kind and was very patient with me. But I was like, where are my eggs going? She was like, oh, they're microscopic.

They just like dissolve into your body. And I was like, okay. And she was like, you don't have a period because you don't have a uterus to like the lining doesn't go you don't have that so nothing comes out and I was like oh it makes a lot more sense now because my thought process was my eggs aren't coming out they're just building up in there but that was not the case so when Abby and I got married something that I told her it was like I thought adoption was really cool something that I told her, it was like, I thought adoption was really cool. And so I told her, yeah, I don't know if I'm that set on having our own kids. Cause

I just think, I think people who do adopt and who do raise a child that is, you know, not their own flesh and blood, like that is so cool because you're giving a home to someone that otherwise would not have had a home. So mad So mad respect for you guys and I love all of that. I think that's so cool. But knowing that you have eggs because you just found that out, do you have any desire though to see what your kids would look like? I mean yeah there's like a little part of me that's like oh my Maverick's little children blue eyes would be so cute. But at the same time I think I have such a yearning to like you said, bring a child in that would otherwise maybe never have a parent.

Maybe they'd go down the wrong path in life and their life wouldn't be meaningless, but they'd have a really hard road to be able to get to somewhere where they're having a purpose in life. So I still feel very strongly about adoption. I don't know if we will ever have our own kids. If we did, it would probably be like two or three kids down the road and it'd be a long conversation

and like we would think about it really hard. But as of right now, not really. Do you? I mean, right now, like we've just, the adoption plan has just kind of been the plan. So it's like, we're probably going to do that. And like, yeah, I guess just kind of play it, play by ear. And you know, if we're like, hey, you know, we've adopted two or three kids, like let's have one of our own, then like, I guess we will. But I don't know, we'll see. And there's always like the science behind it

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That's code unplanned50 at factormeals.com slash unplanned50 to get 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next month while your subscription is active. Was that tough news to hear when you were 15 or 16 or was it kind of just like you were so young that you hadn't thought about family planning as much? Well I had thought about adoption actually and even before knowing all that which is kind of like a blessing from the Lord I think. He just kind of laid that on my heart at a young age so it was more of a joyful thing

for me at least. I think for my family members, it was more like, oh no, like poor Kenzie. They didn't mean to make me feel kind of broken, but in a way kind of. And so I don't think it was very hard for me. It was more hard that it was hard for them. So you say joyful.

Was it because you're like, I won't have to worry about periods or like the decisions made for me? I think I'm very indecisive to begin with. So me thinking about adoption and then the ability for God to just be like, you know what, no, that is the plan for like, you are an adopter.

It's like, okay, good, I don't have to make that decision. Like I am gonna adopt and I can be joyful about it and I don't have to think back and forth of, should I, should I not? It was just like, here's your clear path. Yeah. I like that. It is scary though.

Because when you adopt a kid, you really don't know. Yeah. Kids can come with trauma, they can come with all sorts of things. And so that's it. I feel like it's scary to me because you could get a kid that has been hurt or whatever by the parents or by foster parents or anything like that.

And when you adopt it, you're adopting in all those responsibilities as a parent to take care of them. And it's like, for me, I never thought about that part. I thought, oh, you adopt a kid and it's like, oh, kids should be pretty happy because I adopted you. But it's so different than that. The kids, they're hurt. Like some of them don't even see it as probably helpful.

Like they wanna go back to their parents, things like that. So I don't know. I've listed some stuff on it and read a little bit and I'm like, oh, this is like, like there's so many kids that need adopted. It's like, dude, like I just want to, even if we can have our own kids perfectly right now,

I know we'd start with adoption. It's a big responsibility. Yeah, I think right now we've talked through it and I think at first, if possible, we'd want to adopt a baby, just to have that like, that cool season of life that you kind of get to grow together and like grow as a family with this very newborn child.

But then later in life, like maybe think about adopting maybe four, maybe even ten years old But I think we'd have to sit down with other people who have already been through that Just because they do come with trauma sometimes and I don't ever want to take in a child and be like alright You're good to go. Like I feed you every night and I'm gonna take you to school So you're great because there's a lot of Build-up and trauma that's in their life that you might have to unpack with them and help take them to a counselor or whatever that might be. So I want to make sure that we're both fully prepared to take that on and help them the best way possible.

So we'd have to sit down with quite a few people before making that decision. Yeah, and it's so interesting because like I know so little about adoption, like I've never been through that process, but I do know enough to know that even if you adopt a newborn, because that child isn't your DNA, your flesh and blood, they're gonna come with some sort of trauma in a way, like some sort of something that they're gonna bring in. You don't know how the pregnancy was, you don't know anything. Yeah, you have no idea like what their experiences have been and so, yeah, every adoptive parent has to come in with that grace.

You know? And you get kind of the same thing too with like having a biological kid. I mean, you don't know what's gonna happen. You're growing a baby and you're hoping everything's gonna come out all right, you know? But sometimes it doesn't. So I mean, there's always that like,

not fear, but like, you're gonna love it either way. But it's like, you're taking on that responsibility as a parent saying, I'm gonna love you regardless of the trauma or if your child comes out with a disability or something like that. I don't think it changes as a parent if you love the child, like how much you love the child and how you treat the child.

Oh, of course not. How you raise him and how you react to their reactions. Yeah, it's a big decision though. Have you guys, oh sorry. Have you guys talked to any adoption agencies or thought of getting into that yet or do you guys wanna wait a couple years? Yeah, we're gonna wait just a little bit,

probably not a couple years, but we have met with some families that have adopted. Some families and friends that have adopted and kinda got their perspective and it's crazy how many routes you can go. You can do foster into adoption or you can go straight adoption with a baby, you can do adoption overseas. Yeah, you can do private adoption, there's just all sorts of stuff. So we've talked to quite a few different families about that but we haven't talked to any agencies or anything because...

No, I do think I want to adopt a kid probably from another country for the first one. Not like super set on it, but I just feel like there's a lot of people on the waiting list for babies in the United States. Like there's a ton of people on the waiting list for babies in the United States. It's like, I think it's like four, I think if all the babies were adopted,

like all year or something, there would still be people waiting on the wait. It's something crazy like that. And I'm like, man, like with us being in the position we can financially there'll still be people waiting on the wait. It's something crazy like that. And I'm like, man, with us being in the position we can, financially and stuff, I'm like, if we can afford to adopt a baby from another country, it's not like I feel like we have to,

but it's like, hey, we can do this, and maybe other people can't, so maybe we should do that. Yeah. Very cool. Well, I'm excited for you guys and the family that you guys built together. I always love talking about baby stuff,

because I know when we first got married, that was all I was thinking about. Well yeah, between the two of you, who is more eager to have a baby? Definitely Maverick. Really? Yeah, yeah. If he could, within the next year we'd have a baby,

but I'm like, we need them. Like knowing that I'm gonna adopt too, it's like these kids are going, like they're growing. You could have a baby next week Yeah, I'm not really but like sometimes it goes really fast It can but just knowing like there's kids that need a home and knowing like oh, I'm just waiting cuz like I want to wait It's like yeah, obviously like that's okay. Like we can wait but there's also the part of me that's like Like these kids need a father. They need a mother now. You know, I mean? Yeah. No, we had some friends, unfortunately,

fall to an adoption scam. And it was so, so sad. I mean, they did so much to make sure it was legit. And this person just somehow, they were different than most scammers. Because usually if someone's doing an adoption scam, they're asking for money. There's all these red flags, all these warning signs,

but they didn't have any of that. But then luckily, after they went through that horrible experience, it was a fairly quick process for them. So they just like, we were on vacation in Hawaii and they FaceTimed us and they're like with their baby and we're like, what? We're like, you guys have a baby? Like what? So it was, we were just so happy for them. Yeah, it is crazy because like depending on the route you go, like you can get a call and they're like, hey, we have a kid in your area that's like needs a parent tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Or a family of five. You know what I mean? And it's like, hey, we have a kid in your area that needs a parent tonight. Yeah.

Or a family of five, you know what I mean? And it's like, okay, I guess we'll go buy a mini van. Like let's go get the answer. Let's go buy a mini van. We did, we had a- We have quintuplets ready to go. Yeah. We have a friend that we sat down to dinner with

and that was their story. Like they had already had four kids and they got a call and they weren't even like looking. They just got a call and were like, hey, we have these kids, like, can you do it? He went- Five? No, he already had what, four kids of his own?

He already had four or five, but it was enough, they were now the van family that had to buy, not a mini van, but the van. Oh my gosh. The car that they had was not gonna work anymore. So the very next day he went and bought a car and they picked up their daughter. The crazy part was he didn't tell his wife.

Yeah, he just said yes, which is crazy. We're not gonna do that. He didn't tell his wife. He just said yes, which is crazy. We're not gonna do that one. He didn't tell his wife? I'm just like imagine if you showed up with a kid, what are you doing? No, he's like, I got a kid. Look, I would also be like, wait, why didn't we talk about it? Yeah.

Hand a car. Wow, no, I've even heard of people just like getting a dog and not telling their spouse. That is even way too much. You can't do that. You gotta let your spouse know, especially for a literal human. But also Matt, you got another relationship.

They already had like four kids, so you throw another one in the mix. It was probably a foster situation, I believe if I remember correctly. So it was probably like a hey. Short term potentially. Maybe short term. Maybe a night.

Maybe you can decide to adopt it or whatever. It just needs a home for the next week or two weeks at least. Obviously there's a situation where like say somebody and their wife had been talking about adopting or fostering for a very long time and they were like very much on the same wavelength and it was just like, they get the call and they were just like, they said they gave the okay.

That would be different if they'd already talked about everything beforehand. But just doing that. Well of course I would acknowledge like, hey, I love your heart behind this. I love the way that you just like jumped in you saw me You can't tell them to return it Maybe just like a simple text message, you know

Like get some formula That's so exciting. Yeah, it is For the people I've talked to you, it's it's very Kind of moralizing when you're sitting there and you're going It's very kind of moralizing when you're sitting there and you're going, because they give you a checklist of what you will adopt. Are you okay if the baby is this? Are you okay if it has a special needs? And they said there's like 150 or whatever, 200 things that you're like, you have to sit

there and check and go, no, I don't think we can handle that. Or hey, this person has trauma with a father figure will you accept a kid that has father figure trauma things like that that's tough yeah because I mean these kids come from sometimes you know somebody broke into a house and shot both their parents you know I mean and you're and you're adopting the kid like I mean it's gonna have not it I mean then they're gonna have like yeah you know I can't imagine if someone were to take like a sheet of me and be like, okay, well, she's got this marked like,

you know, it's, there's a, like obviously I understand that's a part of the process that's there for a reason. I'm scared for that process to sit down there and look at that. Yeah, you're like, what would they mark on my sheet like, and then I'm looking like a random, you know, I there's a human behind that that's yeah but then that's yeah well that's a crazy process it's honestly it's great that they do do it though because if not then somebody who's not okay with having a special

needs kid would take that on it's just not good for the child yeah either one return or yeah now they're just kind of that left it even more because it's like I can't deal with that I know I should put her in the room or whatever. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Well, I'm excited for you guys And I trust that obviously you'll navigate it. Yeah, so well and I'm looking forward to it but that part scares me cuz I'm just like man and Not even just like the guilt of like sitting there going like oh, I can't adopt somebody that has this because you know, maybe we both are working right and it's like oh I can't adopt somebody that has this because maybe we both are working, right? And it's like, oh, I can't adopt this person because they need a full-time assistant.

You know what I mean? There's like, it's just, I'm not looking forward to that day of just like marking everything that you're okay with. This is a super weird question, so if you don't wanna answer this, like totally not a big deal at all. That goes for any question we ask you at the end. But yeah, by the way, any question want to answer, like, totally respect that.

But you talking about not having a period, I was just curious, is that something that you wish, like, man, I wish I could have that? Like, I would feel more complete. It's funny, yes. Or are you thankful that, like, gosh, I'm so glad I don't have to deal with that? When I was younger, I kind of wanted it. I was like, I want this. Everyone else has it.

Like, what the heck? This is the worst. I don't have a period. Yeah. That was like me wanted it. I was like, I want this. Like everyone else has it. Like what the heck? This is the worst. I don't have a period. That was like me and Brazis. I was like, I want Brazis. Yeah, but no, now I'm like thinking this. I don't have to go back. I've grown out of that stage of life. Dude, I'm so thankful because it's like, like he was pumped about that part. He was like, oh, I was so excited. I was like, wait, you don't get your period? I was like, this is gonna be great. That's a pro. Yeah. No, but like it really does allow you guys

to perfectly plan out whenever you are having your child. Like it's not like you're gonna have a surprise baby. Yeah. Sure. You know, so you guys really do get to call the shots on that, which is- Yeah, somewhat. I was gonna ask you, once again, don't answer if you're not comfortable answering,

but like, do you use birth control? Nope. Okay. Cause I was like, you have eggs, I didn't know. There'd be no reason. Yeah. I asked that question too because I was like wait is there a potential like for something to happen and it get to my ovaries and then now I have a pregnancy but with no uterus and it's just like yeah. Yeah that's why I was like ectopic pregnancy or something like that. She said it is possible but highly highly highly unlikely because the sperm would have to swim up over time and build up like scarring to the ovaries and it would just have to happen just so perfectly that it has built up to now the sperm can like swim up its own scarring that it made. Oh my gosh. Yeah, she said it happened but it's like so rare. It's like 0.0001%.

Which is also the same like statistics. So like again, I'm just this ignorant man over here that doesn't fully understand everything, but like how does that even, like without having a uterus, what is there? Is it just nothing? Like what? Yep, just nothing. She was born like a little, this made it more clear to me, she was born prematurely. So that just wasn't formed, like the uterus part just wasn't formed. Oh, okay. Yeah. I also only have one kidney. So it's just like, God was just like, yeah, we're just going to miss out those little

pieces. It's fine. She's good to go. Yeah, I'm fine though in every other way. That's so interesting. How early were you? I think my mom said I was a month and a half to two months early. I was supposed to be born in February and I was born in December 21st.

Okay. Yep. Wow. Very interesting. Yeah, that is so interesting. You know what's interesting about that too, if you ever think about it? Whenever you turn 18, you can vote, right? Depending on whenever the election falls that year, it can decide a lot.

Thank goodness I was early, now I can vote. But think about like if you're born prematurely right like it's almost like you had a head start over everybody else because technically you were supposed to be born later but you're like hey I can I can vote earlier than everybody else you know. And my dad actually was not a fan of me being born early because it's a different year for softball yeah and for softball because I played softball growing up he was like now I have to put you in the age level ahead. You could have been like the star of the show at the younger age level because you were born nine months or nine days too early to get into the next year. Now we can't do that. And I'm like, well. So what did your softball career look like?

Oh gosh, I started when I was four playing t-ball and then I started playing select ball, which is like travel ball going around the state of Texas when I was eight and Then by the time I hit 14 I started doing different states And so we'd go to Colorado a lot came to Florida a couple times Wow, this is like if I just like casually asked that just as a joke But this is like a really big part of your life. Oh, yeah So you played in college a little bit Wow, okay Yeah, I'm finishing college right my last semester of college, my senior year,

I decided, you know what, I need to get an internship. Softball's not gonna last forever. I loved, loved, loved my softball friends, but having softball and college was like a full-time job with college, and so I really wanted to dive into the church and get a community group in church, and I just wasn't able to do that with all those things. I was like, you know what, I'm going to take a step back from softball because that's not

my career, that's not my future. I've loved it for so many years but here's a stopping point. So I got an internship with the company that I went on to work for after college and then I also got plugged into a church. So yeah, it all worked out. It was a bittersweet moment. Just like anything in life. Kate played softball too and what's crazy

is they actually played at the same competitions. No way. They were in different age brackets. Yeah. Because she's like five years older than Kate? Four. Four? Yeah, so they played in different age brackets,

but they were at the same competitions. That's so cool. Isn't that crazy? My little sister is Kate's age, so it would be so crazy. I bet they did play against each other and I was at their games. That's crazy. That would be so crazy.

Small world. Yeah. And you guys have an age gap too, right? Cause you're actually married to an older woman, right? I am. By what? A little less than a year. 11 months?

Yeah. Crazy. You guys made like a lot of TikToks about that, right? Yeah. Dude, I mean, when you get like something that hits on TikTok or YouTube, you just run it. Like you gotta keep running it. And he never specified the age at first.

So people were like, oh my gosh, she's 10 years older than him. I'm like, do I look 10 years older? No. But there actually was a couple on TikTok where it was like, I wanna say like 50 years. It was crazy. I see that.

But it was the guy with the woman. Yes. Yes. I mean, I love you man 50 years, it was crazy. But it was the guy with the woman. Yes. Yes. I mean, I love you man, if you're out there. That was just crazy. And you gotta admit it's crazy, cause it was crazy. It's the biggest age gap I've ever seen in my life.

I don't know what you guys are talking about. I'll have to check out the video after this. What's that song, it's like Vanilla Baby. They did a TikTok to that, and that was like one of their bigger ones, wasn't it? I don't know, that couple? Yeah. They've made a lot of TikToks.

They probably went on my For You page all the time. Yeah. It's just like, let go. You found her niche. Yeah. He's like, the Cougars, that's my For You page. Yeah. You're older than her by a year.

I am older, yeah. Do you guys get a lot of people on the podcast? Well, by like only six months, actually. Yeah, we're like the same age, basically, so. No, no, no. Do we get a lot of people on the podcast, why? Yeah, do you get like a lot of people? the podcast? Only six months actually. Yeah, we're like the same age basically. Do we get a lot of people on the podcast? Yeah, do you get like a lot of people? Because you guys mostly do couples, right? What's been like the weirdest part about like interviewing couples?

Has anybody been like, like what have you learned? Like what's like the weirdest thing that like every couple does or something? Oh man, everyone's just so different. That's what's interesting. Wait, I was going to say the opposite. I feel like the more people we talk to, I'm like, everyone's so much more alike than we realize. Yeah. But maybe Matt sees it a different way.

You guys are almost like, you know how like the, there's like therapists that are like, oh, here's what I learned from my studies. Like you guys are like interviewing all these couples. Oh my gosh. Well, Matt always says, whenever we talk, we see like a couple that's been married like 50 plus years, we always ask, we're like, how'd you make it work?

Like, how do you, like, are you still happy? Like all these things, they're like 50 plus years. We always ask, we're like, how'd you make it work? Like how do you, like are you still happy? Like all these things, they're like usually very happy, but then the husband always says, he's like, you know what, I just learned, happy wife, happy life. And I know this man that just like submits eventually, they're like, yeah, I'm just going their way, they know better. Dude, I'm the same way, like even last night,

she was like, should I get tickets on the plane like should I pay for the upgrade so we can sit next to each other and I was like whatever you want to do I don't I don't care I do care I care a lot about whatever you want to do I don't care and she's like you don't want to sit next to me and I'm like no no but I care about whichever one you want to do that's fine. The funny thing though is you guys with time you start to understand each other so much more. And because you understand your spouse on a whole different level over the years,

you know what to do whenever there's a tricky situation. Like yesterday we had a kind of stressful travel day and old Matt would have tried to like verbally say a lot of things to Abby and cheer her up. But I just knew yesterday after the travel day that all Abby needed was for me to not talk and play with her hair and that's what I did and it worked. You're so smart. It worked. I was actually sitting there and I was like, that's funny. She just melted. We didn't talk about that. We didn't.

I love you. I was like, he really came around. I was like, you spoiled it. Because like now when you touch her hair, she's going to be like, he thinks I'm mad. Well, no, I think she actually really appreciates it. Like I'll play with her hair for her to fall asleep most nights. When we're in bed, I'll like have my Kindlele here with dark mode so that I can read the white text and I just keep yeah I just keep going I'm kind of going down I kind of got it I just like live with Kindle and then boom like

took him only five years play with the hair so that but then sometimes if we're in public and I'm just like casually playing with Abby's hair I'm like I know my wife loves this but I'm just like casually playing with Abby's hair. I'm like, I know my wife loves this, but I'm like, do people think I'm a psycho? Right. So I have to remind myself sometimes in public, like maybe I should do this in private. So yeah, anyway, I think I've mastered falling asleep too. I just went and she's laying down. I just put the phone right on the back of her head right here. It's perfect. You're kidding. Right. He actually knows he kind of does do that. Perfect. It's perfect. You're kidding, right? He actually knows he kind of does do that. Yeah, I do.

Because he cuddles me, but I know he's watching his little thing, which doesn't bother me. But I'm like, if he rolls over to the other side of the bed, even though I know he's not mad, I'm like, oh, he rolled over. He doesn't want to touch me anymore. What's going on? Just subconsciously. I literally tell him, I'm like, even just a pinky toe. Yeah, she does. She'll just lay her foot on me. I put my leg over here, and I'm like, okay just a pinky toe. Yeah, she does. She'll just like lay her foot on me. Put my leg over here, I'm like, okay, we're good. Okay, relationship advice that has changed our life

that I wanna give to you guys completely unsolicited. Figure out right away what your love languages are, but like really, really know them because what will happen, and this has happened in our marriage, is I will just give Abby an abundance of the love language that I like because it comes naturally to me right I like this you should like this yes so I love words of affirmation I will just shower her

with words of affirmation she does not care because that's not her love language that's her love language is acts of service so like little little things like making her coffee or getting her water to her before she's going to bed or playing with her hair like playing with Hair that's an active service to her right? Yeah, so that means so much to her way more than me showing her with compliments So much more like literally me petting her hair Means more to Abby than me saying I like this about you this about you this about you So I just want to give you guys that advice because what will happen as the years go by and by is you'll be like, why aren't they showing me love? Like why is Abby not complimenting me? Why is she not

saying nice things to me? Meanwhile she's doing all these acts of service for me that I'm not noticing because that's not my love language, right? So you have to be very aware of what each other's love language is because sometimes by default you start to do the thing that you want people to do to you Yeah, but then you're forgetting that that doesn't mean The same thing to other people if that makes sense. Yeah No, I mean even just like in this short time we've been married like I feel like my love language before I was like Oh, it's physical touch. Like I just want to cuddle. I want to hold you

Yeah, I want to just like hold your hand hold your leg Like if we're driving like I just want to touch you like I like Whatever and like I am like that, but I feel like I've not changed But like I'm definitely like I love like when she's just made breakfast in the morning. You know I mean Like when I like I'll like run downstairs I'm like thank you, and then I'll go back upstairs and eat my food or like whatever like I'm it's just like It's just like makes my whole day. I'm like wow thank you and then I'll go back upstairs and eat my food or like whatever like I'm it's just like it's just like Makes my whole day. I'm like wow my life's amazing See if that was Matt's love language that would be great because that's all I want to do cuz I'm like I love him I want to just like do things that would make

Yeah, okay, you're just saying no It's it's literally like we both have to reprogram our brains to do the thing that each other wants So it's like Matt like stop complimenting her and just like go make her food or or go like play with her hair. Do something, do some sort of service thing rather than verbally saying it. And and that's like what you have to do when you figure out whatever the love language is that your spouse has. Yeah, I didn't know that yours had changed into I feel like it's just like when you do those things, like I'll come in the room and I'm like, oh she made the bed. It's just like, oh wow.

You do point those things out now that I think about it. Yeah I'm like, oh my goodness this is amazing. Every time it happens I'm just like, my life is great. I go to my closet and I'm like, she did my laundry. I'm so blessed. This is awesome. Oh my gosh, yeah that's so funny. Yeah, I think Matt probably already said this while he went to the bathroom. I'm so blessed, this is awesome. Oh my gosh, that's so funny.

Yeah, I think Matt probably already said this while I went to the bathroom. But I'm like, what do you mean? I was like, I did all these things for you. How do you not feel so loved? I thought about everything in your day and I just tried to make it easier for you. I scheduled everything out for you.

I'm like, just tell me you love me. Just spit, just say it. That's so funny. Kenzie, do you know what your love language is? I think before we were dating, they were pretty even, but majority was probably words of affirmation. I just wanted to hear that he liked me and that I meant something to him. But now that we're like living together, I think we're working together at the same time. I think it's now shifted into acts of service as well, just because we're so busy.

Like, I'll get stressed out doing like five things at once and then he does like one little thing and I'm like thank goodness I don't have to do that now. So, obviously. Which is good, now we kinda have similar. Yeah, first she thought I hated her. Cause I like wouldn't like text her, like when we were,

cause we had, I asked you out and then we didn't go on the date for a while. So we didn't go on the date for like, it was like two weeks or something, til the date. And so during that time, I didn't text her once, I didn't go on the date for a while. So we didn't go on the date for like, it was like two weeks or something, till the date. And so during that time, I didn't text her once, I didn't like anything. Because I knew she was like kind of finicky. Like I was like, I already.

But you don't wanna mess this up. Yeah, like I had already asked her out once and she said no. So I was like, she said yes, I'm not giving her. I'm not speaking to her at all. I'm not saying anything to mess this up. And so I was like, oh, this guy doesn't like me. Like why did he ask me on a date?

Like I don't understand. And then even after our date, even though the date was so good, we actually went on a date the very next day because I lived out of town. So he took full advantage of the weekend. But we went on a second date. Oh yeah.

It went good, but at the end, I don't know if he was trying to be- It was at the beginning actually. Oh, it was at the beginning. It was at the beginning. I don't know if he was trying to be cool or- No, I was just trying to be helpful. He was like, yeah, I understand.

If you want to go back to Temple, which is where I lived, and if you're talking to other people, yeah, that's cool, go for it. And I was like, why would you say that? Why would you want me to talk to other people? I don't get it, but I didn't say it out loud. I only said it in my head. And so I was like, this guy doesn't like me at all. And so then after that second date, even though both of them were very good dates,

we didn't see each other again for like a week and a half, I think. And the entire time he didn't text me. And so I was like, oh yeah, this is over because he just told me to talk to other people in Temple and now he's not texting me, like it's done. But I told her not, she was made it very clear. She was like, do not jump into this.

Like I can't have kids. I don't want to date you. And then in three months you're like, hey, I decided I do want to have kids I did do that. I don't want to date you. And then in three months, you're like, hey, I decided I do want to have kids. She's like, I don't want to waste time again and like get hurt again and do all that. And I was like, okay. So I told her, I was like, hey,

before like you leave, I want you to know like, I'm going to be praying about this, thinking about this, but don't let my, like, don't wait on me to make some decision, because it may take me three months. It may take me six months. Like, I'm gonna pray through this and see, like, where it goes.

And I didn't want her, like, waiting around to see, like, oh, is this guy, like, when's he gonna come around? You're trying to respect that, yeah. And so I was like, hey, like, if you have other people you're talking to or something, continue going on dates, like, do whatever you're doing. He was very clear about it.

I was just, like, overly thinking it, and I was like, okay, that means he doesn't want me, he wants me to talk to other people. So I was very confused. Which was not the case. I didn't want you to, but I was just like, if you do, that's okay, I'm not gonna be mad. Because I know, I wanted at the end of the date

to be able to be intentional and say, hey, I had a great time, I'd like to take you out again. And I didn't feel like I could say that, didn't mean it. Because I was like, I need to go pray through this and focus on this before I can ask you out again. So without being able to ask you out again, I was like, I don't want to give her any sort of like, hey, so like, I'm gonna think about it

and maybe I'll ask you out again, we'll see. You know what I mean? And like leave her like wondering. So instead I just made her think I rejected her, I guess. I don't know, probably not worse. After we talked through all that, then I was like, okay, makes sense. I do appreciate that.

But in the moment I was like, I guess he just doesn't like me. No, I totally see how you felt, but I also really respect that, because something that really I loved about our dating process is Matt didn't leave any room for confusion for me like with like where we were like It was like I want to take you on a date and I want to call you my girlfriend And then like it was just like very clear whereas I feel like it can be easy to get in like a date trap

We're like we're not really technically dating. We don't have that the security of even that temporary label but like I also don't feel like I should be seeing other people like it just is like I like that directness yeah I think that was like really nice to have I think there's there are a lot of relationships in today's day and age where people

relationships it's called situations very casual and it's not like a real relationship and there's no commitment yeah so I think commitment is a good thing I think it's great like a real relationship and there's no commitment. So I think commitment is a good thing. I think it's great and I think, I really do think humans need that in their life. Like commitment is a really cool thing and it's, I don't know, if you can't commit to anything then what's the point of anything?

You know? What's the point? Yeah, I think guys need to be more intentional in that way and just like being like, hey, I want to take you out on a date and like ask the girl out on a date. Not, hey, do you wanna hang out sometime? You know, it's like ask them out on a date. So they know it's a date.

Not, well, we hung out and I don't know what this, I don't know. If he, yeah. I think he likes me, like ask them out on a date. And if they say yes, then at the end of the date, you say, I'd like to ask you out on another day And that's how it proceeds. It's not yeah, you know, they're wondering why girls are crazy. It's like you're driving it crazy Literally a funny story on that whenever he asked me on a date the first time

I was so like taken back because I just didn't like he was not giving off vibes of I'm about to ask you on a day At all. Also, we had never been alone together We were always in a friend setting and all of our friends just so happened to be away from us at the moment. And he asked me, but when he was asking me, he said the word date like two or three times. And so as a joke, I thought I was being funny,

even though he was trying to be very serious. And I was like, oh, are you asking me on a date? He was like, yes. I'm asking you on a date. Do you wanna go on a date? So he was trying yes, I'm asking you on a date. Do you want to go on a date? So he was trying to be so intentional and I was making fun of him. He was like, you're not getting it.

I was like, I got it. He's like, for the fifth time, date. Yeah, I was like, hey, so do you want to go out on a date without our friends? It'd just be a date with me and you, just not with them, me and you on a date. And then she's like, are you asking me on a date? And I was like, and you on a date. And then she's like, are you asking me on a date? And I was like,

oh, this is horrible. Well, that's probably, to be fair, it's probably because since you were already hanging out in a friend group, you had to be extra like, clear. Because otherwise you could be like, oh yeah, I'll have someone else come along too. And like, yeah, that's funny. Yeah, I didn't want you inviting your friends.

I would have been like, oh, well, now I'm paying for three. This is great Maverick Kenzie, thank you so much for being here. I had such an amazing time We've had an amazing time talking to you both Yeah, I'm just so excited for you guys in the stage of life that you're in you have so many fun things happening I I love that you guys survived your honeymoon and made it out. I literally went fast and I was like, I have sweat stains from that combo. Yes, that I don't even get like I'm not like Abby where I get claustrophobic. That was freaking me out hearing you guys just saying to the bottom of the ocean. But hey, you're here and we're just so

excited for you and just one of the best for you guys. So thank you for being here Where can people find you guys on social media? Where's the best spot? Yeah, just maverick and Kinsey on pretty much everything yeah, yeah mine alone is the Kinsey Brie Yeah, and then his is just Maverick Baker nice and obviously the LOL podcast. Oh super super cool You guys are doing there. We'll have to check out the video where you, what'd you say through the wall? Threw a pumpkin through the wall. Oh my God. It was crazy. All right, well, as always,

this is where we say peace out, dudes. You guys wanna say it with us? All right. Peace out, dude. Three, two, one. Peace out, dudes. Let's go.