The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Removing my IUD, natural family planning, and getting my period back

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

Abby opens up about removing her IUD, getting her period back after six years, and switching to natural family planning. Matt & Abby also share parenting moments with two toddlers, period mishaps, and why they’re rethinking screen time. This episode is sponsored by Revolve: Shop at http://REVOLVE.com/unplanned and use code UNPLANNED for 15% off your first order. #REVOLVEpartner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You know the app that we've been using technically. It's not really a fertility tracker at all What a thought! A lot of people get pregnant using natural phalopenic. So you have to be like okay with that. You know the app that we've been using? Technically, it's not really a fertility tracker at all. I haven't had a regular cycle in years. Did that hurt getting your period back? I did experience more cramps, but I don't know if it was just because I got soft. Did you know that there's like people that will abstain from while they're on their period? I didn't realize that was a thing.

You're missing out on a whole nother week. Just because of a little bit of blood. What's the big deal, yo? Welcome back to Unplanned. We're your hosts, Matt and Abby. And Abby just got a haircut. Woohoo! If you're watching, then you can see it.

But if you're just on audio, I cut off 10 inches. It is stunning. And I re-highlighted it. I'm one of those people. Thank you so much, babe. I get my hair done twice a year, which to some people that may seem like a lot, some people that's like hardly at all.

But if you get your hair highlighted, that is really very minimal. And so when I go, it's like a six hour process. That is so long. Well, cause they also do such a good job with color. Like I really, really trust them to take care of my hair, to like not damage it and to like make it look really, really good. And they also make it so it grows out really nicely. But

yeah, they're for six hours and I was like, if I'm going to be there for six hours, I want a major transformation. And I feel like this was a pretty big transformation. It looks incredible. It's so pretty. You did a similar haircut and color back when we initially got married back in college. Yeah. And I think you made it, it was actually one of our first YouTube videos that you got my reaction to how you looked. I did. And so part of me, when you got home yesterday,

I could hear you walking in the door. I'm like, did she do it again? I was like, no, like, did she, did she do the chop? Did you kind of think I was going to? Cause I kept it a secret from Matt, you guys. Like I had to hold it back. Like I kept being like, I had this hair appointment and I like wanted to say like, should I chop it?

But I was like, I know that you like my hair short, like you like my hair, whichever way, but like you really like it when it's short cause it's just like different. And so I was like, this would be a happy surprise. So I wanted to try to keep it a surprise. You didn't really like talk to me through it. I feel like with past haircuts, you've asked,

do you want me to cut it super short? You want me to do this? Yeah. And so that's when I started to realize, wait, maybe she didn't ask my opinion because she just went ahead and did it. It's crazy because you look so good, but it's like a new version of you.

Like you, when you're married to somebody for a long time, you get to see them like change over the years. And it's just cool to see different variations of like your appearance. And I think it's really fun. Like it just keeps things alive and spunky. And it's definitely a throwback to the early years of our marriage, which I think's really fun. Like it just keeps things alive and spunky. And it's definitely a throwback to the early years of our marriage, which I think is really fun.

I like that in a marriage, like you can switch it up and it's like still the same person that you love, but like you can still switch it up, keep it fresh, make it lively. You see the person you love change and that's fun. I'm still working on how to style it. Cause I actually asked the hairstylist because I feel like I've noticed that maybe middle part

is going out, but I asked them, I was like, is the middle part out? And they were like, not necessarily, it's more so, just like whatever part flatters your face the more, it's not like everyone's doing the same thing anymore. Really, middle part's going out? I don't think it's going out, it's just like now, if a different part flatters you more,

I feel like people are more apt to embrace a part that flatters them more. And I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm coming out as a side part girlie because I think I might need to be a side part girl. I do like you with a side part. I think I look better with a side part. You always did a side part. I think that's how you were doing your hair when I first met you. I feel like it makes me look more mature like older. When you do a side part? When I do a side part especially, but even just this short hair in general, like does it make me look more mature? I don't know. I don't notice a difference part especially, but even just the short hair in general, like does it make me look more mature? I don't know. I don't notice a difference like that, I guess.

Oh really? Cause I thought as soon as they cut my hair, I was like, oh, I feel like I look older. Like not in a bad way, but like more mature. I think that my long hair was just so, it couldn't hold a curl anymore. It was looking dead. And even when I was in the gym with a high ponytail on,

if I was like sweating, it would stick to my back. Really? And I was like, I'm over this I Need it to be chopped and now it still fits in a ponytail. It's a lot thicker now. You wanna feel it? Yeah Wow, it's like a lot thicker now Wow. It's a lot healthier I needed that and actually my hairstyle said that the way I do this because I have a pattern of like Growing my hair out and chopping it is actually really healthy for your hair. Oh good. Yeah, I wanted to donate my hair but since I have highlights, you can't, I can't. And they measured

it was actually 10 inches of hair that you chopped off. Well I asked her and she was like, yeah by the end it was 10 inches. Man. Probably like almost 10 inches, yeah. It's funny the variation in haircuts that you can get because your mom was shocked that you were at the salon for six hours. When she goes in, she only goes for like what, like two hours or something? I think it's because I get a full highlight versus a half highlight.

Yeah, that must be it. Yeah. But it seems like with, what do I freaking know about women's stuff? They take their time. But yeah, like they really took their time. And I have a lot of hair and they gave me lunch, which was really, I was kind of worried about that.

Something I don't like is when I'm thinking about being stuck somewhere and I have no access to food. I was like, if worse comes to worst, I can door dash it, but then I'm gonna feel scared and high maintenance. But they got me lunch, which was so nice. I ate it all. They even gave me a diet coke. Has that led to some bad memories in the past

where you got stuck somewhere with no access to food? Oh yeah, that happens a lot. Like when we got on a long flight and we didn't have time to get food, I'm like, we're up here. That's why you gotta keep snacks on you at all times. I usually do. That's what you do.

And you make fun of me. You're like, why do you have all these beef sticks? You got your beef sticks. But honestly, sitting in that chair all day yesterday, I was like, man, I haven't sat still in a long time. My watch was giving me reminders. It was like restful period plus two, like giving me body battery points back because I was sitting still it was crazy

But it is kind of hard to do like I really want to be productive But I'm being forced to sit here So it's like it's good and bad because you're like anxious that you're not doing things We're also like it's kind of nice to just sit well We have quite the announcement for you guys today quite it's really gonna impact your personal life This is going to impact you in a very big way and by a big way I mean absolutely not at all because you aren't living our life but do you want me to say or do you want to say it? You are welcome to say it honey. I

feel weird saying it. You say it. I got rid of my IUD. I got my IUD out. What? I did. Without telling me? Don't make that. There you go, you're the starter rumor now and it's going to be a headline. Actually, side note, someone just DM'd me this. What happened? Did that happen to somebody? No, it happened to us. What? I didn't even click on it but it's messed up.

What is it? Abby's mat is out of control. Picture of me crying after her surgery on Snapchat. Oh my goodness. This is, you guys, don't believe what you see. It's literally crazy what people on Snapchat. Oh my goodness. This is, you guys don't believe what you see. It's literally crazy what people can do. They took a picture of me post hernia surgery where I'm crying because I'm under anesthesia and then it says Abby's mat is out of control. I am a little out of control. That is true. You can't tame me, babe. It's making me cry.

I don't know what I did to be out of control. So dumb. The way that picture is also three years old. That's true. I wonder what happens if you even tap on out like what it says. But yes, got my IUD out you guys. Your girl is fertile again. How do you feel? Do you feel better not having birth control anymore? This is my hot take on my own hot take. So I had always said, I feel like, maybe on the podcast, but certainly just like in my personal life, I was like, people talk about the IUD, like, having bad reactions to birth control and like their body doesn't like it.

Like, I believe that, but like it didn't bother me at all. And I can tell you, after now not having an IUD, I feel a lot better. Like, I feel like it really, if anything, I know that I have a lot more energy I do that like you feel so much better without the IUD Yeah, I shouldn't say so much better because it happened gradually But like yeah, I think it was after I hadn't had it for like three months. I was like, oh wow I have more energy. No way and I do feel a little bit more like

My mood swings are like where they were like this. I feel like now they're like this, you know? You seem really happy. Like you've been in a very happy state. Maybe I'm just more stable without added hormones. Well now I'm curious, I wonder, I wanna look it up because I wonder how long it takes your hormones to stabilize after getting the IUD.

I'm gonna look that up right now. I feel like I noticed it at three months, but I feel a new wave of like, yeah, this is good. At like, even I'm six months out now. Okay, it says, your wife's natural hormone cycle may take one to three months to fully regenerate. See, three months. Side effects from hormonal shifts

are emotional ups and downs, fatigue, skin changes, and this can last a few weeks to a few months depending on the person. Wait, what were the ones? Skin changes? Fatigue is the one I noticed. Oh, mood swings. Yeah. I didn't really notice anything in my, oh, the other thing.

I have more libido. I've noticed that. I love that. I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan of that change. So, yeah, I did notice some changes. I didn't notice any skin changes. I will say that. I didn't notice any weight changes. I didn't notice any dramatic mood shifts. If anything, like, I feel a little bit more stable, like, mood-wise, like, more consistent mood-wise, but the energy and libido, I did notice

different. And I feel like I've noticed this change in you too. Here's my question though, is how much of the change in you feeling like more stable, more relaxed, like things just seem like they're on the up and up for you and for us. I wonder how much of that is just not being in such a, like our kids are not as needy as they once were. They're a lot more independent.

They play together. They play by themselves. You know, they don't need us every single second for things anymore. So I also wonder if that affects it. I would say no, because I feel like our kids have been in this state since before I got the IUD out. Like I don't think that our kids' needs

have been a dramatic shift. I'm sure that plays a role, don't think that our kids' needs have been a dramatic shift. I'm sure that plays a role, but I think that's only marginally. And to fill everybody in, because people didn't know about this until today, when did you get the IUD out? It was the very beginning of February that I got it out. And yeah, I didn't want you to come in,

because I was like, this just feels like something I can do by myself. You go get us lunch and like we went together And I got it out and it was so easy. I don't know like sometimes I hear these stories about women getting their IUDs in and out and I think universally people feel like it express a lot more discomfort at the insertion Mm-hmm. I never even had that. Like I just, the most I felt was a pinch.

I don't want to diminish or like even, I don't even wanna cause question about like those women's pain. Because I fully believe them. I feel like that I can totally see that. I just didn't have that experience. Well, the thing about you Abby is you were just such a tough cookie.

So I think even if it is tremendously painful, I just don't see you being somebody to really be affected by that. Just because like I've seen you push a baby out of your hoo-ha and that was so impressive. You know? I feel like I was expressing pain and discomfort. That's true but like, I mean if you can do that,

you can do, you can freaking do anything. I mean that's true but yeah, no, I just never felt more than a pinch. And it's almost made me wonder like if anatomically something is different like or do some doctors do it differently but um. How would you describe the pain? A pinch. Literally a pinch. At insertion. Getting it out I did not feel any discomfort. A pinch of tweezers a pinch of a like your fingernail like think like what is it like what how big of a pinch are you talking about? Yeah like a pinch with tweezers? A pinch of your fingernail? Like, bink? Like, what is it? How big of a

pinch are you talking about? Yeah, like a pinch with tweezers. At insertion. At, at, them taking it out, it literally did not, I did not feel any discomfort. I felt 0% discomfort. Okay, obviously those, the nether regions are pretty sensitive though. Well yeah, it's internal so it's a little bit weirder, right? Oh, okay. So it feels like an internal pinch. Yeah.

But does it feel like, almost, I don't want to use the word excruciating because that is so extreme. Not for me. But does it feel more enhanced, more of an enhanced pinch because that area is so sensitive. There are so many transmitters and nerve endings. I don't know because it's inside.

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a ton of research on IUDs and birth control. We were trying to figure out what we were going to do to not have a baby right away while we were still in college and in our early 20s. Wow, you were 20. That's crazy to think about. I was a kid. Holy crap, we've been together for so long. I know. I love you. We've been together for almost a decade.

You're amazing. I love you. But I did see some concerning videos of women talking about how painful the experience is. I know. And for you to not have an experience that was anything. I don't want to lead anyone astray. Yeah, it wasn't even anything like that at all. No. I don't want to lead anyone astray. Yeah, it wasn't even anything like that at all. No, I would better myself.

I feel like those videos probably get more buzz around them because it's such a unique storyline. That's true, it's like fear mongering. Yeah, fear mongering gets fused, it gets attention. So I think if somebody does have some concerning thing going on with their IUD insertion, I think people are gonna hear about it. That's at least my theory.

No, you do hear, well you have to sign some scary paperwork to get one. It's like a list, it's like we could perforate your uterus or something. You're like, oh, great. Even read the warning label on a bottle of ibuprofen. There's some pretty crazy side effects that you could experience from freaking Tylenol

or ibuprofen. It's just, I think there's a lot of legal things that these companies have to do to protect themselves because they don't want to get sued. It's devastating for someone if you do have those adverse side effects like infertility. Which is crazy too because just by sheer numbers, think about all the billions of people on this planet, there probably is somebody who had know took some ibuprofen and had Severe crazy vomiting and diarrhea or something and they just can't take it ibuprofen, you know so I mean it makes sense for them to have all those warnings, but

You know that they are just really avoiding a lawsuit there. I think yeah Like that's why they have the like I think even with Iud insertion isn't there something in there about you can die Yeah, it's like this could this procedure could result in death. Does that make it so like I'm probably so you can't sue them If you die, I'm sure you could so I don't know that feels like medical malpractice Which iud did you have by the way? So the first one I had before I had kids I had the Kailena and then after Augie I got the Mirena. I think that's the one they, that's like typical.

Like the Mirena is the one for people that have had babies. Ah, okay. Yeah. I don't know if it's just like bigger or what. I'm guessing it has something to do with the release of progesterone. Isn't that the hormone that it like slowly- I think it's the size of the IUD. Oh, the IUD is bigger. I think so. No way. Don't quote me on this. I actually before we filmed this podcast I had to actually, this is sad,

I had to google like what an IUD does to prevent pregnancy because like I literally didn't know that. Kylinna and Morena are both hormonal IUDs that prevent pregnancy by releasing hormones into the uterus. While they share the same mechanism of action, they differ in hormone release rate, effectiveness, duration, and potential side effects. Oh, it yaks size. Okay, here's the key differences. Hormone release. Mirena releases a higher dose of levinorgestrel than Kylinna. I've never heard of that word in my entire life. Mirena is effective for up to eight years while Kylinna is effective for up to five years. The Kylinia is slightly smaller than Morena, which may be more comfortable for some women.

For heavy periods, Morena can help reduce heavy periods that is sometimes used in combination with HRT. Kylinia's lower hormone release may be less effective for reducing periods. And Morena has a slightly higher risk of benign ovarian cysts compared to Kylinia. I think something that shocked me was how quickly you were in and out of the doctor appointment.

I know, it's so low key. That's what I'm saying, my experience was so low key. I don't want anyone to think that I'm diminishing your experience if you had a terrible experience with your IUD insertion or removal, but I'm telling you, I've had two IUDs inserted and two IUDs removed, and both of those,

just isolating the procedures were literally like nothing to speak of. Like babe, I dropped you off at the doctor because you told me you actually wanted to go by yourself and not for me to go in. Which I thought it'd be kind of romantic if I went in with you. That'd be so romantic.

I could tell that you just weren't really having that. So I went and got us lunch. And by the time I got the food, you were already done. You were waiting for me. Like you actually had to wait for me to come and get you. I was in that office for less than five minutes. So fast. They're literally like, okay, here we go.

And then I think they just like yank it out. She literally did, she yanked it out and she dangled it over the sheet. And she's like, here you go. Which I was like, we might need to cut that out of the video if we ever edit that into a video. Did you keep it? No!

Sorry. Ew. Sorry. That's disgusting. I don't know. You never know if it's like, hey, this did its job and let's remember it. Like reuse it. Like I only used it for like a year and a half.

Dude, those were expensive too. I know. Yeah. Especially when you don't have insurance. But here's the thing. Now that I know that I feel like pretty good without it, I'm kind of like, I don't think we'll ever have hormonal birth control again. You don't think you ever will?

I don't know. That would be like a conversation that we both have to have. Well because we have been going without the hormonal birth control now for quite some time. I mean, I want to get into that, but I think the first thing we should probably talk about, babe, before we talk about our new method of birth control would probably be getting your period back because the IUD completely took away your period.

You were kind of pissed at first. I was. Which is totally understandable. I mean, I think if I was having my body go through such a drastic change, I would be frustrated. So yeah, the period thing was actually a big motivator for wanting to get the IUD out was because I haven't had like a regular cycle slash period in years, you guys,

because I was on an IUD from the time that we got married to the time that we started trying for Griffin. I think I might've had one period before we got pregnant. Therefore, like from after getting my IUD out, I think I had one period and then I got pregnant. So that was like one time. And then I got pregnant with Griffin. Obviously no period. Didn't get my period after having Griffin. Then got pregnant with Augie somehow without having my period, which can happen because you can ovulate, clearly. And then didn't have my period when I was pregnant with Augie. Didn't have my period while I was breastfeeding Augie.

Got an IUD again. No period for a year and a half. I was like, my body needs to do its natural cycle. And so after we, Augie was already like one and a half when we got this out. I was like, okay, we're not gonna try for a baby, but if something were to happen, because you have to accept that.

I mean, I feel like people need to be realistic. Like natural family planning can be super effective, but also a lot of people get pregnant using natural family planning. So you have to be like, okay with that result. Did that, did that hurt getting your period back? Like, was it, I mean, it's painful, right? Yeah, I actually did experience my your period back? I mean it's painful right? Yeah I actually did experience my first period back.

I did experience more cramps. But I don't know if it was just because I got soft. You know what I mean? I'd forgotten what it was like. Oh yes. Because remember when we were dating and you would be on your period I was amazed by how you would handle it. Really? Like it was like you weren't even on it.

I mean I was aware of it and I would try to like do sweet things. I never had severe cramps. But it seemed like you just, you had gotten used to it in a way. Yeah. And I think you getting it back after so long was. So yeah, the first period back

I was like really whining about it. I also felt really inconvenient. So I was like, oh, I gotta buy tampons now. I gotta worry about like managing this, you know? And then I even had you get me MyDoll that first period back. I was just feeling so sad for myself. I was like, this is such a mess.

Oh my gosh, why did I do this? Because I got so used to not having one. It was funny too, because I was at Walgreens getting MyDoll, and I'm like, wait, babe, which tampons do you want? used to like not having one. It was funny too because I was at Walgreens getting my doll and I'm like wait babe like which tampons do you want? It's been so long I have absolutely no idea and for a while too you did have a Diva cup. Yeah. One of those menstrual cups that just like they catch it all and it's reusable. Those things are awesome but yeah I guess you're not using one of those anymore. You used to use one of those. I should get

another one. It's just the fact you have to boil it and I was like, ugh. Oh, but you have to boil it every time? Yeah, I think so. Every single month. Not every time, but every month. Every month you go back to use a menstrual cup, you boil it. Yeah. That's right. Think about the fact that I used to boil that in the kitchen with the pots that me and my roommates used. That you would cook your meals in. Like, obviously I would clean it out really good, but like, wow, they were so tolerant.

That is pretty wild. Yeah, your roommates didn't care. I lived with three other girls. You're like, I'm boiling my Diva Cup tonight, you girls. Remember that one time the Diva Cup spilled in the bathroom? Oh yeah, and did I clean it up? Yeah, honestly, you guys, Matt is literally the best with this type of stuff.

It does not gross you out at all. You don't ever make me feel embarrassed. Periods do not gross me out. Even a little, it doesn't gross you out at all. Not even a little bit. Even before we were married, because you guys, there is this day, I think about this a lot when I'm like,

well, Matt, really, you're a true man. Because I had gone to class all day, I woke up early, worked out, went to class all day, then I worked a double shift at our pizza place we were working at. It got back really late, and I like, I knew that I had a bunch of homework still to do, I was like super stressed and overwhelmed. Go to finally take out my diva cup at the end of the day

Freaking spilled it. I don't even know how I did this because I only did it that one time I was being careless all over the bathroom mat how disgusting I mean, honestly, I'm a period positive girly but like that is to me even me that I'm like that's gross and Matt knew that that was my last straw. And he cleaned the mat. That was like, I remember being really embarrassed about that, but also I was like, that was so, what an act of love.

What an act of sacrifice. Well, it just felt good to take, felt good to take care of you. You're so good to take care of me. That's really sweet. But anyway, all that to say, I was a baby about my first period coming back. I will be real with you.

I feel like I did experience more cramps that first cycle back, but then, and maybe the second one, but then obviously I'm like six cycles in now, and I think it was back to normal by the end. And if not, it's maybe even lighter than before I ever started birth control and having kids. Like I don't think it's any heavier the first one. I was like, oh my gosh, it's like so heavy I was like, no, I think it's actually it's actually but something that is weird before I had birth control and had children

my cycle my period would last Five to seven days usually on more like seven days, which is pretty long now It's like three to four, which is really nice. I really like that. Do you know what's kind of funny that I found out like literally about 45 minutes ago? So you know the app that we've been using for our natural family planning?

It's technically just a period tracker. And so it's like officially not Yeah, I know it's just a period. a birth control method. No, I know it's just birth control method no I know but we've just been avoiding that like we've just been using protection on the days that it says you're fertile but technically it's not really a fertility tracker at all no I knew that oh you did yeah but my cycle is so can you try it you're trying to get pregnant no my cycle is so consistent

that like this app we're using has data from when I was like 16. Oh yeah, we, Abby, I think started telling me about the Clue app when we were, yeah, when we were in high school. Yeah, and it has a lot of data on me and also my cycle is very, very, very consistent. So I've never taken an ovulation test or anything because it's never been. Yeah, you're lucky. That is nice to have a consistent cycle.

No, I am. And if you're not left up in the dark wondering. No, I'm like, I know when it's gonna start. So there's women that it's just random. Oh yeah. Like how random are we talking? Like sometimes they might even get two periods in a month. Holy crap, seriously?

Yeah. Wow, that would suck. Yeah. That would really suck. That's unusual, I seriously? Yeah. Wow, that would suck. Yeah. That would really suck. That's unusual, I think. Yeah. I mean, I think that's usually like a reason that that's happening.

Yeah. But yeah, I think the typical is like 30, or is like 25 to 30 day cycle or something like that. Like somewhere in that range. But yeah, I definitely was a baby at first, but now I'm back to it. I'm not really bothered by my period. I don't want it to slow me down, which I'm grateful for

because I know some people have like debilitating period cramps and pain and I'm not really bothered by my period, I don't want it to slow me down, which I'm grateful for because I know some people have debilitating period cramps and pain and I'm not saying that that's not real, it's just, once again, it's not something that's ever really bothered me too much other than those first days back. But I wanna ask you, how do you feel about me getting a period now?

You haven't been married very much with me actually having a cycle like this. Honestly, I, just like, blood doesn't bother me, periods don't bother me. I think it's kind of, I find it like so feminine that you get your period. Do you mean that? Are you just like?

I do, yeah, I find it to be very feminine. You've never made me feel embarrassed about it. Yeah. Or like, which you shouldn't be, but like sometimes you could feel like maybe gross or like maybe not as sexy on your period. Which like, okay, maybe I'm just the idiot that didn't know this is the thing. But did you know that there's like people that will like abstain from sex while they're on their period?

Because I didn't realize that was a thing. I'm like, man, you're missing out on a whole nother week. I'm like, you're just gonna freaking skip out on a whole week of fun just because of a little bit of blood. Like, what's the big deal, yo? But maybe the woman doesn't want to do it. That's true. But as a guy, I'm like, I love my wife. Like I'm not, no. Yeah, I feel like it goes both ways.

Like I feel like a lot of guys don't like that, and then I think a lot of women also don't really feel like getting jiggy with it when they're on their cycle. Yeah, I could see how women would not feel down to clown. I'm less down to clown, I would say. Oh yeah. Do you think? That's fair, yeah, I could see how, yeah. Like on day two? Oh, I thought it was like day one.

Day one and day two, I'm like, let me just let it rest. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. There's just a lot of, probably a lot of soreness, right? Yeah, you are sore down there a little bit. But. This is so weird.

I feel like we're having a conversation of what young people have when it comes to periods, but you're having this, you just experienced all of this all over again because of the IUD, because the IUD got rid of your period. Dude, this is the longest time that we've been active that I've had my period. Yeah, because from the beginning of our marriage you always had an IUD. Wow, do you feel really, I feel like we're really in tune though now. Like I feel like we're really like Matt has the period tracker, I have the period tracker. I feel like it's good for you. Like it makes me feel safe and like happy and comfortable

knowing that you also know what's going on in my body. I just feel like we've entered this awesome phase of our marriage where I feel like I am dating you again. Like I feel like you're like my girlfriend and I'm just like giddy to see you and like so excited dating you again. Like I feel like you're like my girlfriend and I'm just like giddy to see you and like so excited to be around you. And maybe the IUD leaving was, that's what did it. No, I think there's actually so many factors that play into like the fun season of life we're in right now.

But yeah, it's life is good guys. I have to admit, I have to eat my words. My, I do feel a lot better being off of hormonal birth control and I don't look forward to ever being on hormonal birth control ever again I feel really good without it. No, that's not to say that I had a horrible experience on it I would say I had a great experience with book with both IUDs great experience. It was successful and I didn't feel bad. I didn't have any major side effects, like anything like that. But I'm just thinking over time,

it's probably better to not be on hormones like that. And I don't even think that's controversial to say. I think anyone would say that probably. But it feels good. I feel like I'm like all natural and clean now. It is funny though, like you were such an advocate for the menstrual cups. Like I feel like you got a lot of your friends onto them. I think I need to get one again.

Back in college. They're also good for the environment because you're not using waste. Now I will say us using like diapers on our kids is way more waste than a little tiny, yeah, little tiny tampon. But at the same time it is less waste. And it is actually more economical too. Oh totally. You save yourself some money. And there can be, there's clean tampons now but there can be really harmful chemicals on tampons. Well you can't get toxic shocks in your room

from a diva cup right? No. What happens if you don't take it out after so long? Oh gosh, I feel like you would surely get an infection. Really? Or would it just, would there be like blood build, like would you just start bleeding again? I don't know.

It feels really negligent to leave that in you. Yeah, because you're supposed to change it twice a day, right, every 12? Once a day. Oh, it's once a day? Every 24 hours. Every 24? I thought it was every 12 hours.

Let me check. I haven't used one in so long. Babe, when you, in college, I swear that it was every 12 hours you were switching that thing out. Maybe 12 hours. Yeah, that feels right to me. 24 hours seems. Well, because I didn't, here's the thing, is I've never slept with it in. hours you were switching that thing out. Maybe 12 hours. Yeah, that feels right to me. 24 hours seems- Well, cause I didn't, here's the thing,

is I've never slept with it in. I would use a pad at night. Oh, okay. Oh yeah, it says eight to 12 hours. Do not listen to me. Yeah, 24 hours is insane. Do you feel like I have more pheromones now? I'm shocked that I'm saying this,

but I like, I like period Abby. Period. I like you period. Like I just think, I think you're so fun to be around and I then I feel bad. I'm like was there was there anything that could have been better earlier in our marriage because you did have birth control? You know? Like, I don't know, maybe it was affecting you in ways that I wasn't aware of. You know? That's really nice of you to think about. Like, what's your take on that? If you were to plot me from where I was

with IUD to like right now, I'd be like, whoa. But it was very gradual in those like months afterwards. So it's kind of hard for me to tell you an honest answer, but I'm saying I feel amazing right now. Like physically, mentally, emotionally, like feel really, really good. Energy wise, libido wise, like everything feels so good that I'm like, I know that there was a difference.

What is weird? I'm not trying to be dreadful, like I know there was a difference. I will say, like as far as life situations, life circumstances, we don't have a whole lot going on right now. It seemed like we had the craziest stuff happening left and right for so long in our marriage. So now we've entered, I actually said this

in therapy the other day, I feel like I've entered a stage of chill. I've entered into a phase of chill. I love this version of you. And yeah, I like chill, Matt. Like I just want to go play in the pool with my kids and make sweet love to my wife and you know, just like that's just, I'm just in the phase of chill right now. I know.

It's amazing. I'm chilling as well. Yeah. I'm just chilling. So yeah, no, I do think it really makes a difference. I really do. Obviously there's a need for birth control But I will say getting an IUD literally six weeks postpartum

Maybe wasn't the hormone shift that my body needed at the time. Oh Yeah, that's like in hindsight I might have might have should have let my body settle a bit longer. Yeah so you know you live and you learn right you also do what you have to do because we got pregnant so quickly after Griffin that we felt like we needed to have some intervention. What's nice though is with Abby tracking her period, we really can accurately tell when it's a time of the month, like when she's fertile, when she's not. I mean, at least we've made it February, March, April, May.

Now we're in June. Like we're on month number five of using- It's pretty freaking accurate. Yeah, it's crazy how, especially when you're someone like Abby with a consistent period every month coming in at the same time, you can accurately track when your fertile window is, that way you're using protection at that time, or you're just abstaining

from sex at that time. Yeah. So that's been- I feel good that you know about what's going on in my body. I feel like that's a really cool like bonding experience in marriage, bro Why did I not realize until like a year ago that there's only like one day that you obviously I know Well one day that you can really get pregnant like nobody ever explained that to me I thought you know explain it to me. I think they just want kids to think that because they don't want kids having sex

Well, yeah, also like what 16 year old girl is like really tracking their fertility. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Which, you know, like I get it. I don't want if we had a 16 year old daughter, I would not want that going on. I was actually talking to my friend who has a 13 year old daughter and their daughter just started their period. I'm like, my gosh. That just seems like that's a whole new level of parenting right there.

That you're right. That was a perfect way to describe how I was feeling. I was like, you are on expert mode right now. Yeah, I like being in the easy mode of parenting where it's just like- This is the easy mode with that type of stuff. Okay, for instance, here's an example of easy mode of parenting,

which I get it, like toddlers can throw tantrums and- Obviously they're not actually like the most easy. Both our kids are in diapers and- But do you feel like they're really easy right now? Yeah, but like this to me is just like this sweet I'm just soaking up every minute of this Griffin and I were playing in the pool and and Augie was obviously playing with us too but Griffin and I were just like Seemed to have a little bond and we were and and he's always at least in the more recent times has gravitated towards Abby

He's always wants Abby but he says towards Abby. He just always wants Abby. But we were- He says it himself, he's mommy's boy. Yeah, but we were reading books together. I'd already put Augie down and Griffin just looked at me and just like had this most sweetest smile on his face. And what did he say about going to the pool? He said, I had a lot of fun with you in the pool, dad.

Yeah, and it was just like, he was experiencing a core memory right there. He was just like, like I was reading to him, he was cuddled up with you and he put his arm on you and he was just beaming. He kept just looking at Matt in the eyes and smiling. It was so he's such a Griffin is such a tender sweet kid. And he said, I had such a fun time in the pool you today, dad. Yeah.

What a long sentence to yes. And it was just so sincere. You know, he's not saying anything that he doesn't truly mean. And I love how the stage we're in, it's not that complicated. The challenging stuff is changing poop, changing pee. Simple fixes now. Making their food.

One day it's gonna be like- I could honestly elevate their mood 10 levels by giving them a dum dum right now. That's a great- That's so easy. That's a great place to be in. No, but it's like one day we're gonna have to legit walk them through a breakup, like walk them through girl drama or boy drama. And then there's going to be puberty and it's just like, holy frick, you know, there's so many things we're going to have to navigate.

I know and I feel confident that we will do it. But we got each other and I think Abby's been saying this. It's like it's us against them like if the kids are ever being crazy like we need to realize that like we are a team and We don't need a lot if there's something frustrating going on with parenting. We don't need to take it out on each other Yeah, don't take it out on each other. It's easy to do but it's like it's us versus those freaking those little crap heads No, they're awesome, but yeah, we can it's easier. It's better to make them the villain. I feel like I was gonna say those little We can just bleep that out

In other news everybody we are taking our two-year-old in our one-year-old to Disneyland one last time before they cost money Because I feel like this is so redundant for them like how many times do two people do you go to Disney? to Disneyland one last time before they cost money. Because- I feel like this is so redundant for them. Like how many times do two people need to go to Disney? But it's like a lot of times, okay? We are Disney adults. Not really.

Well, kind of. You might be. Honestly, you actually, maybe I'm slowly turning into one. Like we like going to the parks, but we're not like, there's another level to this. Yeah, I don't research crap. I just show up. We just like going and taking the kids. And we're kind of low key about it because we're literally booking it a week out. But I do want to take them to this. There's several action levels higher. We just like going and taking the kids.

And we're kind of low key about it because we're literally booking it a week out. But I do want to take them to Goofy's kitchen because Griffin still talks about going and he says Goofy made my mac and cheese. And it was so sweet. This was when I went to Universal with my brothers, right? On the brother's trip.

What is Goofy's kitchen? I don't even know what that is. It's just a really cute little kid's buffet where it's a character meet and greet. They come around okay And Griffin literally couldn't barely eat his food because he was waiting for the characters to come there to our table And instead of calling it Chippendale he calls him Chickendale like it's one person He thinks there's one chipmunk named Chickendale

Which obviously it was the other one, we hadn't seen Chip or Dale, this was the other one, he was like, chicken Dale! Again. And so I'm like, I wanna take them back, and then they have a thing where they play a song, and they get to swing their little napkins, and I'm figuring this is gonna be Griffin's birthday

present for sure, we should get him a little birthday button and then they like, we'll sing happy birthday to him. Yeah. Cause it'll be really close to her's birthday, like a week out. Yeah. So it could just say like, I'm turning three and then we just let everybody know that.

But wait, we can't have him wear that button in the park though because then they'll think that he's three and then they'll think that we need to charge him. No, okay, we'll explain to them. We can have photo proof of the birth certificate. Somebody actually was telling me, they're like, why don't you just like bring him into the park and lie?

And I'm like, we can't do that. Can't I do that? That's against my moral code. I don't wanna lie, that's not moral. But I know, I think my parents- I don't think Disney's hurting, but. Disney's definitely not hurting. And I don't think they're gonna like

actually check birth certificates for a three-year-old. I think it I think is wrong though? What? Is sometimes, this has happened a couple times to me personally, I'm pretty sure. What? Well, maybe not me or I've heard about it happening, but I think it's happened to us, but they'll be like, how old is your kid? And then you'll say how old and then they'll go and ask the kid if they don't believe you. Yep, they do that. That's a little shady. That is. They've done that. Also, Griffin cannot be trusted. That'll be like two, three, four, five do that. And I'm like, that's a little shady. That is. They've done that. Also, Griffin could not be trusted. That would be like two, three, four, five, six. Yeah, I go, hey babe, like Griffin and I have been practicing holding our breath together in the pool and we'll show Abby

and I'll say, Griffin, how many seconds do you wanna do? And he says, two seconds, five times a day. Like he just like doesn't understand numbers. He doesn't know his own age. I mean, he does, but I don't think he would answer honestly if someone just like a stranger asked him. No when you ask him like to say a number. We should bring his birth certificate. He usually he usually will just start counting. He'll be like one two three four five six seven. Yeah and you're like all right. And you're like okay how old are you? One two three four

five six seven. He'll be like two three four five six and I'm like incredible. Yeah he just wants to show off that he knows how to count. That's his thing. Maybe we should bring the birth certificate. No, but my parents one time when I was a kid, they told me this story when I was older because I don't remember it, but I was gonna board some trains,

a little attraction, and I think it was free if you were under the age of like four or something. But I was, I think I was five. Your parents wanted you to lie? Well, yeah, that's my parents' how old I was. And then the guy asked me and I said, I'm five. And then they had to pay for me. That's shady. I write.

They do that on purpose though. They know what they're doing. Yeah, like your parents probably should have been honest. That's true. Hey, you know what? They're just trying to save a buck. I mean, honestly, no shame on that game. And this economy, you know?

And this economy. So yeah, we last minute, you know, they're just trying to save a buck. I mean, honestly, no shame on that game. And this economy, you know? And this economy. So yeah, we last minute, literally today, as of recording this, we just last minute booked it because we're like, what a shame. Like, Augie still flies free. Griffin and Augie will both be free for Disney. We're already gonna be in Anaheim, literally across the street from Disney.

I think all signs of the universe are pointing to go to Disney. Yep. And go to Goofy's Kitchen. And Griffin's free, you know? So it's basically a free trip, right? There you go. Free trip for a one-year-old and a three-year-old.

Unfortunately, this free trip is adding up quickly. Yeah, when you consider airfare and hotels and food. It's going to be so fun, honey. Think about how happy they're going to be. Our family needs this. That's right. I'm just kidding. I love it.

I love you. It's definitely. I'm just kidding. I love it. I love you. It's definitely frivolous and like so extra, but we're already gonna be there. We're not really going that far out of our way to make it happen. Here's what's dangerous, okay? What's dangerous?

We live a 45 minute flight from Anaheim. Yeah. And we also live, you can drive there in five hours. So being that close to Disneyland is just like, we just wanna go all the time. Dude, growing up, we would literally drive to Disney and I think it was like 21 hours or something like that. Oh, it was a journey.

And we were like, buckle up, like we got this. And now I'm like, the fact that it's this close, it feels silly to not. For our family, we wouldn't. I love how down you are. We wouldn't send it that hard. We would drive to Destin, Florida and we would play GameCube in the car.

Your family doesn't like Disney that much though. No we did, we just couldn't afford it. Okay, well that was like our one thing. We went, I think I went like three times my childhood. But I'd love to take, I think it'd be really fun to take my parents at some point with us. My mom came last year to Disney World but my dad didn't get to experience it with the boys. I think he would love that. Would it be too extra to

get Griffin an appointment at Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique to turn him into a pirate? What? I don't think he would care about that yet but what if we have a little girl one day and she went and we took her to Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique and turned her into a princess? I mean we could do that. Yeah, I guess we could. Yeah, yes. The answer is yes. I feel like this is something you've dreamed of. No, I never went as a kid. It was really expensive. Whoever came up with all these ideas is genius because your emotions are so tied to it that it's like, oh, how $500? All right, I'll pay it. I will tell you, I had a lot of core memories as a kid at Disney World. I believe it. They're just

they're marketing geniuses. They're selling. They got us. They sell memories. And can you put a price on a memory? Cannot. Absolutely not. Figure we might as well send it while we still. Now that we have two toddlers, they're clearly not babies. They'll have a lot of fun. I think it'd be fun though to have. It might be hot. It would be fun to have a big family and go to amusement parks together as a family. I'm like really just enjoying being our family and I'm excited to see like how that evolves as time goes on. Oh, it's so sweet.

It's so, so, so, so sweet. Our kids are just fun, you know? They're the best. They're literally truly the best kids ever. Like, I'm sorry, is this bad? But like, I don't like newborns, but I like being a dad to toddlers. They're freaking hilarious.

They're so much fun. They're like our own little buddies that we just have with us all the time. Oh, they're the best You know the best little buddies ever. They're so funny the things that they say to me I couldn't tell what Griffin was saying in the car the other day It's like I don't know what he's saying and then finally I realized he was saying I want the clouds to rain I want the clouds to rain He keeps asking for all you just sleep with him I feel like what if we just let him share room because then that way we can so scary

but we can start we can just have our bed back in me and you can sleep together at night again and or both kids will end up sleeping with us instead oh my gosh I think I think all you Griffin's just share room that's actually genius so lots of exciting things coming up we got Matt's birthday we got Father's Day we've got Griffin's birthday we've got Father's Day, we got Griffin's birthday, we've got our anniversary. Our summer is literally packed out with fun activities. We're working on an anniversary trip.

We don't have it officially locked in yet. That's so us. Wait, is it officially locked in? No, it's certainly not officially locked in. But we're about to get that. I love you, I'm so excited to go on an anniversary trip with you. We're celebrating six years of marriage. I know. That's crazy. I think the only times that we've like done like

a leisurely trip away from the kids was our anniversary for like a few days or for a baby moon which was obviously only when we were pregnant with Augie. Yeah. Like we leaving for a baby moon when you're pregnant with Griffin, we weren't leaving any kid behind at home, you know? So sometimes I feel really, really guilty about that. But then- I don't though, because- I know, I shouldn't. Having so much family in Arizona, like if we ever go, we just have them, our kids spend time with family

and then they get to form deeper bonds with their grandparents or their aunts and their uncles. And it's just- Well, it's also really good to take care of your marriage. Yeah, just, it's really good. It's really good for them. Yeah, it's really good for us. It's really good for them. So I think it's a great, I mean, it's just, I can't talk up living around family enough

because it's just so good for you, for your kids. Obviously though, we are blessed to have family that is supportive and family that we get along with. You know, it's sad. There's a lot of families that get, you know, ripped apart by different situations, you know? So I feel so thankful that our family gets along. And it's really true, like I feel like kids really anchor into and feel safe and comfortable with the fact that their mom and dad love each other very much. It's not like they

look at that as like a trauma, you know? Like, maybe they feel sad when you leave, which doesn't, our kids are so young that they don't even really feel like that, and they really like, love our family, and feel safe with our family, so we don't have that as much, but sometimes I have my own internal guilt about that, and I just have to remind myself that like,

kids really anchor into knowing that their mom and dad love each other very much, like they will always come home to them, and like love being with them, and this doesn't happen a lot. You've will always come home to them and like love being with them. And this doesn't happen a lot. You've been pointing that out to me. Like every time we hug or kiss, if you look over, you can see-

They hug and kiss each other. You can see our kids just like beaming because they just love seeing us love each other. They smile. Which is awesome. Yeah, actually my friend Ashley posted this on our story. She was actually talking about leaving on a solo trip without her daughter, but she said,

I don't leave off, I screenshot this because I was like, I without her daughter, but she said, I don't leave off, I screen-shotted this, because I was like, I needed to hear this. She says, I don't leave solo often, but I used to feel guilty when I did. I realized that I don't feel, which is like how, we don't leave solo often, but when we do, I would struggle with guilt. She says, I realized I don't actually feel guilty.

Internally, I miss her, but that's different than guilt. Guilt often comes from feeling like we're not doing enough or being good enough for our children. And that's not internal. That's an external pressure from society that I stopped allowing in a long time ago. And then she said, this is my daughter right here skipping in the rain this morning.

She's loved, cared for, happy and safe. And she knows that mom is coming back to her. Something that I've been working on as a dad is like recognizing that my kids literally do not give a frick about like my quote-unquote success or money or any of that they literally just want to have a relationship with me they just want to spend time with me and so kind of like reframing what that looks like in my head has been something I've been trying to do because I think I have thought of myself as like okay to be the best I need to be this amazing provider.

But it's like, our kids have everything they need and more. And me trying to get them more on top of that is like, what's the point? What is the point? If your kid has, you know, their food and their shelter and all these like just basic things, the only other thing that you can really give them is just your time.

And so I'm trying to just focus on like, how can I give them more of my time and have such a good relationship with them that they always know they can come to me whenever they're worried about something or they're struggling. Like I want them to always be able to come to me and just have that bond so that we never go through

a situation where I see like kids have resentment for their dad. There's just so many daddy issues out there. And I think if you just spend a lot of time with your kid, I think you can avoid most of that. It's like less about what you do, but more about just you giving them real estate in your brain and giving them the time of day. I think also like you can invest your time in your business or whatever you do, your career, and that could potentially have big returns, but you're guaranteed to have big returns

if you invest your time into your children. And also, look, I've been breaking the rules too, at least in my head that I thought I should follow as a parent. I was so against screen time for so long, but recently, I will just put both boys on my lap and we're just cuddling and we'll watch a movie together And are we watching movie? Yes, but like we are literally like in a basically like a hug the entire time

We're watching this movie and it feels so fun I'm not you're able to really cuddle them because they're always so busy otherwise Yeah, but it just feels like so bonding just like that. That's it. Yeah That that like touch just feels like we've had this bond I think before having kids I would have said like okay We are really going to manage our screen time only do 30 minutes a day And then it's all done and we're like I think I would have like had all these hard and fast rules Which we do have hard and fast rules

Obviously these could change down the line, but we've held fast to them thus far for three years into parenting I don't want my kids to have iPads and I don't want them to ever use a screen during a family meal time or at a restaurant specifically. I don't want them to use a screen then. Obviously things may, you might catch us on a weird day. I don't know. Something might happen down the line, but so far we have held fast to those rules and I think consistency is really important with kids. So I really don't see us changing on those, but as far as like time limits, I don't feel constrained to those anymore. Like some, there's several days where they don't have a minute of screen time. Or

there's some days where we'll watch a whole movie. But we're just kind of in tune with our children. Like I haven't, if it's like a day where I'm like, okay, you, you certainly are so squirrely, like you need to absolutely go outside. Or if it's a day where it's like, okay, we have low energy today or like we just need to regroup, it's raining outside, and we're getting frustrated being stuck inside. I feel like just the freedom to gauge our kids and their needs and our needs and to make adjustments according to that

is so much more, it just makes a lot more sense than these hard and fast time rules with screens. Yeah, and also with screen time too, screen time isn't all the same. Totally. You know, you can watch something that's brain rot or you can watch me that's actually teaching them something. I put on an episode this morning when I woke up

with the boys of that tiger, Daniel Tiger, and he was teaching the boys about how to emotionally regulate. It was like that take a deep breath and count to four thing. They do it. And so I was working on that with them after the episode played.

And I think that also plays a role. Like a parent being active and like also starting conversation and drawing attention to things and like kind of making them like actively watch it is really valuable too. So that was awesome. And then after that we went outside and blew some bubbles and they loved that.

So I- You're such a good. So you're such a good dad. You're such a good mom. I learned from the best and I've got the best right here. Thanks. I was sleeping. I was just chilling. Well, you were sleeping because you let me sleep in the night before because we were up super late for my birthday party.

We've started doing this thing with our friends. We've done it twice now. And it's actually so fun. It's with, if you have a bunch of friends, you're, they're also like have babies and toddlers. It's really fun to get the kids all together. And then if you're, it's a lot of work, but it's worth it. Everyone will just spread out their pack and plays

throughout our upper level, like in bedrooms and like just all in different bedrooms. And then we put all the kids to bed at our house at like their bedtime. And then the grownups go back downstairs and play games. Like we played Survivor and we played- Catan. Catan. We played, what's that game?

Some sort of guessing game. Wavelength. Like play games while they're all upstairs and then no one has to pay for sitters, but and the kids still get to see each other and have fun, but we also get to like have adult time too. It's really, really fun, but obviously then they have to wake them up at like midnight one o'clock

and then transfer them to their bed. So you have to know your kids to see if they're like ones that are able to do that. But making that work has also been just like great for our adult friendships in this season of life. And so that's a fun option. Yeah. And obviously you're not like missing out on time

with your kids by hanging out with adults cause they're already like in bed asleep. Yeah, that's been another parenting hack that I've discovered is just getting together with other people that have kids your same age because your kids will wear each other out and all play together and have so much fun and they sleep much better, they eat so much more food. Yeah. Like just just seeing our kids excel on energy. Well sometimes they get so distracted that they don't eat anything. Okay that's true yeah that can happen. Either or can happen. But then and as an adult you just get to hang out with your friends you know. Yeah. I think that's why growing up I noticed all my parents

friends were the parents of my friends and that's already kind of happening with us. And that's why we're friends with a lot of people that are older than us too. Yeah. Because we had kids really young. We did yeah. And so they kind of put us in a different friendship age bracket Yeah, yeah, just because of the season of life we were in at such a young age But yeah life is so good right now I hope everyone else is like having a good summer or if you're in a rough stage like I actually want to make a Video about this because I remember when Augie was like fresh, baby I felt like we were overextended with both of them so close together and him being colic

and having troubles breastfeeding this out and the other. I, to like the kid that he is now with the best laugh, like the best belly laugh, like the way that his cry used to be so shrill, it would pierce your eardrums, to now his laugh is just the loudest thing about him. Like such a deep belly laugh and it's so cute. And there's really not that much time that passed in between. Like the light is so bright at the end.

And obviously I don't even look at all that. I don't look at all of Augie's newborn stages, like a dark tunnel or anything. But there definitely were challenges and there were days where I was like, man, how are we gonna get to him being one year old? There were times that were really hard and now it's just so fun. The buddies that they are, the way that they look out for each other.

I mean, this podcast shouldn't be us all talking about our kids, but they're kind of our whole life. They are our entire life. I know. A really sweet, well, and each other. A really sweet story though is and each other. Yeah. A really sweet story though is I was driving with the kids and Griffin dropped something and he couldn't reach it

because he's in his car seat. And he had kept telling me over and over, he's like, mommy, get this mommy. And I was like, I told him, I was like, I can't get it right now, I can't get it right now, you're gonna have to be patient. And finally I was like, hey, I'm your mommy, my number one job is to keep you safe

and right now I'm driving your car so I cannot turn around and grab that for you because it's just not safe. And then he got quiet for a minute and he goes, my number one job is to keep Augie safe. So sweet, what a fierce protector of his baby brother he is. And then he starts saying something about the road which is because we always tell them

to obviously not get near the road and I feel like that's a stressor that Griffin is carrying as well. Like keeping Augie away from the road which is because we always tell them to like obviously not get near the road and I feel like that's like a stressor that Griffin is carrying as well. Like keeping Augie away from the road. Yeah. So sweet. I love the way that they look out for each other. They're really good little brothers to each other. I love them so much.

I love you more though. You're my boyfriend. You're my girlfriend. Boyfriend and girlfriend. You're really pretty. I like spending're my boyfriend. You're my girlfriend boyfriend and girlfriend. You're really pretty Like spending time with you. I I just genuinely want like I just yeah I just love spending time with you. I don't I like hanging out with other people But like I really just want to hang out with you. That's why I so good that we work together I know yay. Well, thank you everybody for tuning in for another episode of the unplanned podcast

We have so many exciting guests coming up on the show. Seriously. So comment down below who do you think the next guest is going to be? Maybe give us an idea of who a guest is. You like to see this interview on the show, but we have quite a lineup, quite the lineup. You guys are going to be stoked for this. So get pumped. Sorry if we just talked about our kids the whole time.

Yeah, that's kind of what we do and each other. Hope you guys have a great week. Okay. Thank you guys so much. Have a great week. Bye.