The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - VBAC, Mood Swings & Skipping Our Babymoon

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

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No. You're going to push it. Maybe we just try to do this crunchy. This is the first time you're saying this to me. As of right now, the birth plan is to do a V-back. The concern that people listen to this right now is probably, what if your uterus ruptures? Because it is a risk. I just keep telling myself that we're going to spontaneously go into labor right around 38 weeks and it's going to be beautiful.

and amazing. You've had a lot of sympathy symptoms now I think about it. You did point out to me that my ariolas are bigger. You pointed it out. I wish it not me. I think he was body shaming is what it was. Nuh. What's up dudes? Welcome back to another episode of Unplanned. We have been doing so much travel before Abby can't travel anymore with her getting further and further in this pregnancy. So we've a lot to catch up on. Got a game that we want to play with you guys to follow along with. And we have some really exciting news we wanted to share as well. So thanks for being here. Potentially. Yeah, really exciting news. Got like some big changes in the birth plans. We'll get to that in a second. But, babe, we just got back from Lake Tahoe. And before that, I went to Hawaii. And before that, we went to

Disneyland. And I also went to New York in there. At this point, I kind of want to just become like a travel YouTube couple. No. Oh my gosh. I don't know how those people do it. I love it. Guys, we've, we've like had people on our show before that do travel content and they don't even have a house. They literally just fly all over the world and make videos. And I think that sounds really fun. Yeah, I mean, I like a trip, but it feels really good to come home and to like eat a home-cooked meal. That's where we're different. Go to the gym.

I love to live on the edge, baby. I love just being out, especially nature. Isn't there something like beautiful? Like when we were in Tahoe, when you looked out at that lake, especially when we were on the gondola super high up, it's beautiful. Yeah. It just takes my breath away. Just how beautiful our world is. Mm-hmm.

I just really appreciate that. That was cool. Yeah. I don't think you would actually like doing it full time. I think because even after like a 10-day trip, you're like, okay, it feels really good to be home. I think being in new environments just inspires me and gets me excited. And I love meeting people from all over too. I think every city, every part of the country in the world has just its own DNA.

It's just so unique and interesting. And I think it's fun. I think it's really fun. No, I agree. I just am like full time would be crazy especially because now I'm like I'm pretty burnt out from travel.

Okay. Yeah. I don't want to be on a freaking airplane. Hey, I can, which that's why we would you know need to do van life, right? You know, live in a van. That is worse.

Car travel is so much worse. No, I do think it's sick though, you guys. Even just driving to our friend's house 30 minutes away last night. I was like, ugh. It would take like some getting used to driving around a vehicle of that size. But the people that have like those big old RVs where you got, you know,

multiple beds inside and a kitchen and a shower. Yeah, you've been talking about this more and more and it's making me itchy. I think we need to rent an RV and like see how it would be doing that, you know? I mean, I'll give it a shot. I've never done anything like that, nor have you. So like your confidence in like this being the best thing ever. It's really not based in much. There's a movie about, I think it's called RV.

I'm pretty sure that's the title of the movie. Yeah. And it's with the guy from, why am I literally being so. He plays the genie in Aladdin. What is his name? You're kidding me. Robin Williams. Gosh, dang it.

Mrs. Doubtfire. That came out when you were kids. I remember everyone watching it. What did that come out? RV. It was when you were kids. Yeah. Like the scene I remember from that movie is where the poop gets all over of when he's like

tried to connect. Can we watch that movie tonight? I haven't seen that in so long. We should. Yeah. I bet you it's on one of the streaming services. Okay. Well, surely it is.

But that movie, you know, it shows like all the ups and downs of RV life. I've never done anything. Anything like that? Okay, we'll watch the movie and we'll decide if we want to try that. But you're talking about before this baby comes? Um, no. We did whatever you want, babe. That ain't happened.

Whatever you want. That is not happening. It will be way too hot. I will say, though, you've been doing some, some girls trips. You got a little, you got a granny's weekend coming up this weekend. I might, I might be taking a little bit of staycation. I might be taking the boys on some sort of adventure, just like me and them. You're getting deep into the third trimester, not.

deep, but like, you're just getting further and further along. Awkward about at the time. So someone at the gym today was like, that's close. I'm like, is it though? Yeah, you had two months. You got two months left. How do you feel about the trips that we took? Which one was your, which, what was your favorite trip that we took? Okay, let's start with Hawaii. That was fun because it was just the four of us. Yeah. And that's like our last trip, just the four of us. Yeah. So that was fun and nostalgic. And, I'm a lot of, a way like yeah i don't know if nostalgic's the right word but it was sentimental that's the word because it was just the last time like it was like a family moon in a way yeah and so getting to just

be us and the kids was really sweet that was the first time we actually like stayed at a resort resort for you stay there for four nights and that was really fun the kids loved it and they were really bummed when we just moved into a house but it was a beautiful house and we had a great time there too and so we kind of got to explore both sides of the island and and totally different climates too because we were staying higher in elevation so it was cooler. We're on a volcano.

And that was just really, that was fairly slow-paced, I would say. Yeah. And fun. And then, yeah, the boys had so much fun. They just really love the water and adventure and trying new things. They're beach kids.

Like when we went to the beach in Lake Tahoe, Griffin literally said out loud, this is the best day ever. Yeah. And he meant it. He meant it. It was a lake. It wasn't even a beat. Were those manmade?

That's the thing. I don't know for sure. I'm going to guess that the lake is so big that it does make a natural beach for the edge, I think. Okay. But who knows? That's one of those things I'll never find out because I don't really know how sand comes to be in a location. What's crazy about Lake Tahoe, though? I didn't want to say this while we were out on the water to freak anybody out.

but when I was researching boats No But when I was researching boats And things about the water The weather can change pretty quickly And you can actually get pretty Like decent sized waves on the lake And boats

It's massive lake And there's been boats that have capsized And there was one a year ago That like everybody died on the boat So Okay your dad was kind of gunning it at one point And it was getting a little choppy there I know

Yeah I thought I was driving the boat fast. My dad was driving faster than I was, wasn't he? I think so. Yeah. But I was also in the front when your dad was driving and in the back when you were driving. Okay. But, yeah, I just thought about the fact, we didn't mention this, but when we stayed in Hawaii the last couple days, the house had a water leak.

Oh, yeah. And so we had no running water in the house. No water. It was a little bit, it got a little nasty there for a minute. Yeah, that was not. No toilet flushing situation. We were just leaving toilets. No hand washing situation.

Yeah. No dish washing situation. What we ended up doing to help our buddy out who it's his house that we were saying at, we ended up just shutting the water off so that it wasn't leaking water. It was like gushing water. Yeah, because the like the water line, it was like gushing into the street. You could see it. Their water bill was just going up by the second.

Yeah. And so we needed to turn the water on to like be able to shower and cook and flush the toilet. but after we'd have it on for, you know, 15 minutes, we'd go and turn it off. So that, you know, having running water is such a blessing. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, it makes you really grateful. You're like, oh, I love having running water is great. Turning a faucet on. Air conditioning is great, you know.

Because that house that we stayed at in Hawaii, no air conditioning. No air conditioning, but it was fine. It would get a little stuffy in the afternoon, but then you just open windows and cooled off. Yeah. It was great. So that was fun. Tahoe was fun. fun. We were just hanging out with your family.

Yeah. Me and Abby were saying my sister-in-law, who was also on the trip, because it was me, Matt, our two kids, and then my brother and sister-in-law and their two kids, and then my other brother-in-law, and then my mother and father-in-law, like your parents. And so it was like the perfect amount of time for everybody

to be together. We had the perfect size space where we, like, had to hang out, but you could still get alone time if you wanted. And we did, like, a lot of activities like at the front end of the day and then had restful afternoons. and then regrouped for dinner time and watched a movie. Like we fell into a really good like pattern on that vacation.

It was like really sweet. That one I was like a bump on a log. I'm telling you I'm hitting the point in like I hit the point at 28 weeks this pregnancy that I feel like I hit the other two times at like 35 weeks where I'm just like, you know? Yeah. Just a little bit like, you know, uncomfortable. Yeah, that's what they're a little bit tired. Nauseous again. I'm getting nauseous. I have similar

pregnancy aversions that I did in the first trimester already again. What's going on? I think it's just you're hitting that time. Why so early? Are you just becoming weaker? And I don't think you're becoming weaker. I think I am. I think you're just getting hit with all those symptoms and all those feelings all over again. And I remember with the last, the last pregnancies that we've been, or the last time that you were in the third trimester at least, I remember just how much you were saying, get this baby out of me. Was I saying that? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. You said that so much with Griffin and with Augie. You were just so ready in the third before the baby to come out. Yeah. Well, I'm also really going to have literally been pregnant for a year now. Like we found out we were pregnant with Emerson in June of last year. And there was just that time. Like, I don't know how long it was.

less than two months in between and that was still like a postpartum similar experience so I'm like I've just been I'm over it like right now I'm not over it I don't even want to say over it because I'm so grateful to have like a big bump and to be like this far along because I'm

telling you after the loss I literally was like that'll never be me again I can never see myself getting to the third trimester again I can never see myself like getting to the point where we're like actually making birth plans like X Y and Z but like the fact that we're here I'm like so grateful but I'm also like wow That's like taking a physical toll, like all of that.

Like it's a lot back to back to back. So. You've been pregnant for so much of your life the past couple of years. Yeah. Do you feel like depleted of resources? No. Well. Does it feel like your body needs some like recharge?

No, I feel like I felt good. And then I just like ran into a wall where I was like, no, I don't feel good. I'm not good. Okay. Well, we did discover something recently though, which we can get to more and more later, I guess, in the episode. That might have been why. Yeah. Well, actually, before we get too far into it, we want to say thank you so much to those of you that have subscribed to our channel. Yes. To the unplanned podcast. We really, really, really appreciate it. We appreciate you

watching, of course, and liking and commenting. And also just subscribing really just seals the deal. And especially those that leave reviews on other platforms, too, if you're listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. So we want to shout out Bay 504. who said thank you five stars. I'm incredibly grateful for your podcast. It's helped me heal a lot over the past year after my loss. Knowing I have a supportive space that I'm not alone means the world to me. Thank you for making me feel not alone and guilty for having another baby after loss.

That's really sweet. That's really sweet. Do you want to read another review? Because this one's really sweet too. And I feel like you'd relate to it. This is one from Maddie MP22. She said, such a good distraction.

I've been a silent follower since they first started YouTube. I look forward to the podcast every week. I recently got diagnosed with ADHD as an adult in postpartum. So this is such a nice distraction to zone out and listen to when I'm doing the dishes or my son is asleep in the car. Thank you guys for your conversations and you all are so inspiring. That's so sweet. It's so nice. Actually, I should say that's a really great thing about traveling is that gotten to meet so many of you that I never thought I'd get to meet like in New York or when we were in Hawaii or like all over.

Yeah. It was so cool getting to meet you guys. Like, and I always feel so special, especially when we're traveling. Because you're like, what are the odds? It was really sweet. There was this, this grandma on the flight that we were on to Maui a couple weeks ago. And she stopped me on my way walking down the aisle with the boys. She had already said hi to me.

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oh, dear Lord, please let this door open. And I had to funnel through like three more people before I get to meet. And there's a daughter and her father. Like she's like probably in high school. Okay. And she was like, hey, love your podcast, by the way. And she was like so sweet. And I think that she like shares a birthday like with this baby's due date and we were like talking and then her dad was there and he was super sweet her brother was there we start talking they're like hey no you're pregnant you go first you go first and i'm like no you go first even though i really needed to go i was like no you go first and so they're like no we insist they were so nice i didn't blow it up don't worry but you went first i went first and then i got so poop shy that i just like only did you flush like seven times

No, I only peed. Okay. You didn't even go? No, I was, there was an audience outside the door. And also this random place had an unlocked, like, utility closet that, like, seemed like it could keep going. And I was like, there's someone in that closet. I just, I needed to be comfortable. I wasn't comfortable enough.

Do you feel guilty if you ever have to poop on a plane? No, because I'm like, I've got to do this. See, why did I not feel guilty until, like, like, our friends made fun of you at our therapy. Yeah, our friends made fun of me. Matt pooped at a friend function. had a friend function. I just had to go. They were writing notes under the door. I was in there for probably four minutes and they put they slipped a note underneath the door and they're like this is a social rule that you don't break. Well, was it stinking through the door? I know. It was just I think I think somebody,

I don't want to say who had to change a feminine hygiene products and they needed to get in. But like, it's not like I was in there for 15 minutes. I was in there for maybe five minutes, maybe five minutes. But like as soon as the note was in there, I like, I was out. Like I wrapped it. I, I, I was so embarrassed. Really? Yeah. Of course. I think they were just joking about it.

But I do, but I do know like. They were just teasing you out of love. But back to the plane thing, I've heard flight attendants audibly make fun of people that blew up the bathroom. Well, they have to stand there the whole time. They do. Like one time I was going, I was heading back to the bathroom on a plane and the flight attendants were like, just so you know that that guy just blew it up. That's not good. And I thought, is that, is this against company policy?

No, honestly, those flight attendants, you don't know what you're getting. Yeah, there's some flight attendants that just do not get, they give no Fs. Which I don't blame my mom. Like, they're having such odd hours long days. They're having like cranky people because they're tired. My thing is, I just want them to be nice to me. Because we've had flight attendants before. I mean, we've done a lot of flights though.

No, most of them aren't really nice. Yeah, we've met some super nice ones, met some not so nice ones. We've had every experience of flight attendant. Well, when you fly as much as we have, I'm so overflying at this point. So I'm glad that we only have one more, one more trip. Yeah. It's just the cabin pressure with, whenever you're at this stage, it, like, tightens your uterus or something and makes the baby go crazy.

And I start to freak out, like, it's just an uncomfortable feeling. And this baby's so low that I'm like, I don't want to sit like 90 degrees. Like when they're like, you have to put your seats back up. And I'm like, no, not this angle on my lower back. but yeah, it's been good. And Matt did kind of mention they probably have no idea what you mean by a Granny trip. Yeah, let's explain.

Yeah. So you're going on a Granny trip. How would you explain what a Granny trip is to someone who's never heard of it before? A couple of my friends were like, I think they got this idea from someone on Instagram, but they were like, you know, everyone that we're friends with really is basically in the same season of life as us. Like they have little kids, also pregnant maybe, or. Or just like, you know, you're in the throes of parenting little children.

And they're like, honestly, what sounds the best is not like going out and getting drinks and getting all dressed up and staying up late. Like what we really want to do is just do what granny's love to do, which is, you know, sit around, read books, do puzzles, eat cookies, go on walks, drink tea, and sleep a lot. And so that's what we're going to do. And I don't know if I'm going to stay both nights because it's just a staycation so I can kind of bump from home to like the house. But it'll be fun. I even am going to surprise them with some little granny nightgowns. That'll be fun. That's cute.

So yeah, that'll be fun. Probably I'll get to finish my book and just sleep a little extra. But yeah, I feel kind of guilty because I'm, since I hit this point, I like ran into the wall. I'm going to call it the third trimester wall. I ran into the wall seven weeks early this preface. You've been really picking up some slack. And I am so grateful that I have you because, I mean, a lot of people don't, like, their husband, first of all, isn't capable of filling in. Or they just, like, because of work or whatever, like, that you have that flexibility because of, like, you guys essentially, like, that we get to do this.

But then also that, like, you do it so seamlessly, the kids literally don't even notice a difference. They're like, oh, yeah. Like, in fact, they prefer you. So I'm like, this is, what am I here for? No, they love you. I think, wasn't Augie, he was, like, going back and forth on who he wanted to get out of bed this morning with him. He said me, and then he said you, and then I wanted you to sleep. So I convinced all you did.

Yeah, I've been doing that every morning. And then you do, so you've been doing the morning routine and the night routine. Are you so sick of me being a lazy bone? I y'all. I y'all have our boys. Oh, you do it because you love them. Mm-hmm. They're the best. And I love you. Thank you. So yeah, I've just been hitting a wall, but my second

trimester was great. I feel like the whole second trimester was amazing. I feel like that's a tail as old as time though. Yeah. Everyone has an easy second trimester. I shouldn't say everyone, but I feel like that's just like, you know, legend has it. That's when you're like glowing. Yeah. You feel good. You have a cute little bump, but you're not uncomfortable yet. Like the nausea's gone, but the pubic pain isn't there. hair yet. So that was good. Yeah, definitely hit it like literally right at the third trimester. I was like, I don't envy you. And I'm honestly, I just, it's amazing what what you women are able to do with carrying around a human that, that big inside your belly. It's, it's crazy.

It's actually insane. I like, here's the thing. I don't even want this to be like complaining because I'm so happy and I'm so grateful. But it is like, I've just kind of gotten to the point where I'm like, so overwhelmed by the amount of time left. Like, I know it's soon, but I also feel so far. But I'm also grateful that it's not that soon because we have a lot to do. In fact, I actually told Matt yesterday, I was like, we can't go on a baby moon because we have too much to do around this place, which, like, he doesn't see it because he doesn't have the nesting hormones.

But I'm like, this whole house needs to be upended. Like, get all the junk out of here. get organization bins in who's that lady who like get makes you be a minimalist and like has baskets for everything need her bring her on that'd be great yeah bring her on i'd be down for that uh just kind of shake out this house we need to get we need to probably get a bassinet we need to get some bottle stuff what is your i need to get bankies probably tell me more about what your your mind and body's telling you about nesting right now. Like what's the,

what's the main, the main issue that you're seeing? There's so many issues with the house. See, the problem is I don't, I, I, I,

I, we gotta get the boys, we gotta get the boys zero to three months out and probably also the three to six months out, wash all that. And then we got to find a place to keep this baby's clothes and, pajamas and stuff. We need to set up a bassinet.

We probably need to set up a bouncer. we need to get, I don't know, this time I want all the gadgets that we never had for some reason, like a bottle warmer. That would be amazing. We need to get glass bottles this time because now I'm anti-plastic

on only some things and other things are okay with plastics, apparently. And then we need new binkies. We need to choose which swaddle we're going to get. I don't think we need to pack a hospital bag yet, but I mean, that'll be down the line. We need to figure out where to store diapers. We need to organize every single,

single cabinet in our entire house, including the mudroom and the kitchen, go through all the kids' toys. And that's why we're not doing a baby moon this year. Yeah, there's just too much to do. So Abby proposed this idea to me. She was like, hey, what if instead of a baby moon, we do a nesting moon? And so we drop the kids off at grandma and papas and we have the house to ourselves and we can just nest for the whole weekend. And I think that's what we're doing. I think, I mean, according to everything you're saying now. It's less fun, but it's very necessary. But we have gotten to do some fun travel. We just haven't done. Yeah, we've done so much travel. It's like, it's like, it's not necessary. All the travel hasn't been. Maybe we just, we need to find,

we need to do our consistent date night once a week again. I feel like, we haven't been on date in so long. We haven't. I mean, we've done double dates with people. We've done. We've done, we've done a lot of, like, hangouts with family. We've done family trips, but just the two of us. I don't think we've had the two of us in, gosh, when was the last time? Maybe, maybe when we flew somewhere to do a podcast, we had like a little date after the podcast. That's at least good, but I feel like we need to bring back the weekly date night, you know? Or at least monthly. By weekly even. By weekly would be great. A biweekly date night would be awesome. Yeah, biweekly daylight and day night and then we don't need to worry about a baby moon. We just need to do a nesting moon and we just need to shake out our entire house. Like,

it just needs to be, I need systems in place before we bring this baby into the world. I like it. I like And maybe then, physically, I'll miraculously feel better. Right now my body's like, no, because we are not ready. Yeah. And I know it's not necessary, but like they call it nesting for a reason. It's because you do experience it. It's happening. And I just, yeah, I want all the creature comforts this time.

You know? I get you. By the time you have your third, you're like, let's just make things as simple as possible. That makes sense. That's what I try to do. I like it. Should we dive into this game? Yeah, who do you think is going to win?

Probably you. I mean, I have a strong advantage. Yeah. We're doing... You wouldn't explain to everybody what this game is? Yes. We are doing the ultimate pregnancy quiz, husband versus wife edition. We're just going to do some trivia questions about pregnancy, all things, babies, and birth

and all those things. And, you know, I have a slight advantage having experienced it myself. And Matt will never be able to. experience it. Does it make you sad that you can't be pregnant? Not really actually. Really? That seems giving birth. I've seen you. See, I've sat here and been such a whiner, but like it makes me so sad the thought of ever being done doing this. See the what? Yeah, no, I don't ever want to be done. But so like it, you want to be done, but then at the same time, you don't want to be done. Well, I also, if we're going to be, if we're going to be for real for real, like get really

serious for a minute, it's really, there's a lot of anxiety also. Like, I feel like I've never had this much anxiety around like fetal movements and stuff because given like our history like so like when we were driving back in Tahoe I was like I don't feel the baby and I'm used to feeling he's a pretty active guy which is such a blessing and I like I like love that but then I was like oh my gosh there's like five minutes in the car I was like I can't feel him and it really freaked me out and it happens often like I'll just be laying somewhere and I'm like I haven't felt him and I'm like and then I start to freak out and like it's really panicky and then I'll eventually like obviously I feel like the hacks are having something sweet or having something

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Maybe I'm just weak sauce. Give birth? Yeah. That's, that's a lot. That's, that's, no, it's fine. It's great. I just, I'm thankful that I get to be a dad and that I don't have to give birth. Like, that would be so hard. So apparently I'm not really representing pregnancy well because I feel like I actually love it, but then I, yeah. And, yeah. I just like sometimes there's some downsides. It's hardcore. It's hard core. It's definitely hard for.

I think that's the thing. There's no breaks from it, you know, in the last stretch. Like sometimes like early on you can kind of forget that you're pregnant. You're like, oh, I feel great about it. At the end, there's no forgetting. There's no, except for the first thing when you wake up in the morning, my body feels perfectly aligned and so relaxed. I love that.

And then I'm like, oh, got to get up. And then you're certainly reminded when you have to feel. flip. Oh, flipping in bed? No. Yeah. That's crazy. Okay, we're going to do this quiz and What is this? It's the ultimate pregnancy quiz, but it also includes newborn and birth. Okay. And whoever gets the closest, what's, what's the ultimatum here? I don't know. We, the, the loser gets a back rub. The winner gets a back rub. The winner gets a back rub. And I'm not, the loser gets, uh, to give a back rub. Ah, okay. Okay. Okay. These are high stakes.

High stakes. I really want a backrope. I'll give you a backrope. Okay, the first question is, how many diapers does, by the way, I can't see the answers. Addie, our producer and sister-in-law behind the camera has the answers. So she, I'm not cheating, I promise. How many diapers does a newborn go through in a day? I'm going to say about seven to eight diapers.

That's a pretty good guess. I'm going to say eight or nine. The answer is around each of time. Oh, yeah. There's no, do we ever change 12 divers in one day? Yeah, sometimes. Because when you think about like how many you're changing in the night too, because it's not like they're sleeping through the night.

Every time they eat, you change their diaper. And if they wake up three or four times. Yeah. Wow. During the day. That's only for a short period of time. Yeah. I feel like really quickly our kids went to six diaper changes the day because they did sleep pretty good early on.

Yeah, because I remember when we were packing for trips or travel with our kids. That was the number we figured. Yeah, we'd always pack six. Which maybe that's bad. I don't know. But that wasn't, they weren't newborns then. No, they weren't newborns. This is for newborn.

Okay, one point for me. You did a really good job. At what temperature should a baby's bath water be? I'm gonna say... 99. Yeah, I was to say 99. That was literally, that's right. That's it.

Okay, what is it? 98 to 100. 98 to 100s. We both got a point. Okay, that's one of those things that we were freaks about with Griffin. It's dumb. You just make sure to feel... Like, we took the temperature of water.

A gazillion times. A gazillion. And we would leave it in the bath the whole time. And guess it... But if the water's 97 degrees, I don't think they're going to care. Yeah, I think that was something that with the second, we were like, okay, we can have a, we can do a good judge with our elbow. With our elbow. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, we really freaked out. I think we even traveled with thermometers for the water for Griffin. Yeah. Because, you know, you're first. You're just spooky scary. You don't want to put a baby in too hot of a bath or too cold. That's sad. I feel like you had a lot of nervous energy with our first. Yeah. Yeah. And I think I took. I took. I, I took. I took. I

that on because my brother was making he was making fun of me he was like what if you had nervous energy and then i took it on he was saying that like the second that there'd be like uh i would just like sprint to the room i kind of made you do that yeah i was like nah that man man get him no no no no yeah it gave me anxiety yeah well i mean i was a nervous wreck how long is a woman technically pregnant uh we're we're going we're going 40 weeks that's right on the money yeah is it 40 weeks. Yeah. That's the exact amount of weeks.

We knew that one. What is colostrum? You have to answer this first. So it's like the, it's what you get before the breast milk. So you have to have your colostrum go to the baby first. And it's like really super rich nutrients. It's a teeny, tiny amount of this like thick yellow substance. Doesn't look like breast milk necessarily.

It's like yellow and thick and full of. Yeah, it is like an egg yolk. That's what colostrum is. It's like super nutrition, nutritionally, nutrient rich. It's like the first milk, quote, quote. Sometimes you get it before the baby comes even. And that's when we were getting that cheddar cheese milk. Yeah.

That was crazy. Cheddar cheese. What is that right? Yeah, the first nutrient dense milk produced before mature breast milk arrives. What is amniotic fluid mostly made of later in pregnancy? see. Water? Yeah, water. Is that both of your answers?

Yep. Okay, wait, let me guess again. What is amniotic fluid then? It's mostly made of Babies, the... Vernix? What? What is Vernix? I've never even heard of that. What is it, Addy?

It is baby urine. Ew, that was my second guess, but I didn't say it. That's gross. So then the babies drink... I actually did not know that. The baby's drinking your own pee? Oh gosh. No, they don't drink it because they're fed through the placenta.

They're definitely, how are they peeing? Through the placenta, right? No, they can't pee. I mean, they're peaked, but they're getting their liquid through the placenta. They're not peaked. They're liquid through the placenta. I didn't realize that they pee and poop in there. I thought that that was all happening through the placenta.

I guess I forgot that, yeah. But they don't drink amniotic fluid. It says babies begin peeing in the room around 10 to 12 weeks. of pregnancy as soon as their kidneys form. This pee is made up a majority of amniotic fluid. The baby then drinks the fluid and pees it out again in a continuous... That's a starrul cycle that helps develop the lungs and digestion. See, that's amazing but gross. That is amazing. Yeah, you said it perfectly. I can't believe... Our baby can open his eyes. He opened his eyes in an ultrasound. We both did that. We both

drank our own pee in the womb. Everyone has. Everyone, if you're watching this right now, you've drank your pee. No, it's not that weird. It's weird that I didn't know about it. Have you ever drank your pee post womb? Absolutely not. No, me neither. Unless I was doing like a bare grill survival challenge. That's what I think about. Like if I had to survive, would I do it?

Yeah. During pregnancy, approximately how much does the uterus grow? Oh, like a thousand times its size. Ooh, is it a thousand or a hundred? I was going to say... I'm going to say a thousand times of size. That thousand is way too big. I'm going to say the uterus grows 80 times the size.

It's 500 times, so who's closer? I'm closer. Really? Yes. Okay. No, you're not. Oh, you're 420 away. I'm 420.

I'm 420 away. How did Matt be in you know that? 500 times the size is... 500 times the size is crazy. Mine win a... 500 times, Matt. That's so big. Have you seen the illustrations?

Goodness. Like it starts off so small. Why did I have it in my brain that it was 80? Have you been wondering why I have been peeing so frequently? Yeah, your bladder's getting squished. It is. Everything's being squished. There's no space for that thing. It's a thousand times of size. What is the soft spot on a baby's head called? Oh, we should know this. I don't know. I really have no idea.

Charges an M. Uh. I don't even know. I'm not even to guess. The little, the little, oh, I'm going to be so mad. We just always call it the soft spot. Fantinell. Who the heck knows that unless you're a doctor? I've never heard a parent. I've never heard a parent because one of our kids took a long time to close up. But it closed up so we didn't have to worry about it. Thank goodness. But I don't think I've ever heard a parent use the word fancinell. I'm going to start using it. I'm going to check on his fantinellel. You're not using that word. Yeah. You know I'm going to be freaking out about that. I'm going to make fun of you if you start using that word. Only anatomically correct names in this household. Okay. Okay. What how many centimeters dilated is considered fully dilated? Ten. Yep. I was going to say the same thing. How much is 10? Show me right now what 10 centimeters looks like. 10 centimeters?

Yeah. Well, 2.5 centimeters is an inch. So I'm going to say 10 centimeters. Yeah. That's crazy. I think about this. It is 10 centimeters, but I don't know who's, I don't know whose shape is the close. What is lightning crotch?

You go first. For you, I know you've gotten that in the past. And that's just where you feel like a jeal of lightning down there. You know, you're just kind of walking and, you know, kind of just hits you. Wait a minute. Feels like you got struck by lightning. Have you ever experienced a similar sensation? I don't want to talk about that.

I don't think that this is isolated to pregnancy. Obviously, this type of feeling is very unique to pregnancy. I've gotten a jolt before. But yeah, I feel like. But not on my. I feel like most of experiences outside of pregnancy. I don't know what that comes from. Every once in a while, I'll be like.

Just a little zing. I'm like. Like, oh gosh, like it just kind of hits me, you know? Oh, it creates an audible reaction. Oh, no, no, never had that. I was like, whoa, what was that? Um, yeah, I would say it's like, maybe the baby gets in a position that there's like a pressure point that gets pushed

and it's like, feels like a, you know, a lightning bolt to the crotch. It's a sudden sharp shooting or electric shock-like pain in the vagina pelvis or rectum. It's a very brief sensation that strikes quickly. It typically happens when the baby grows larger, drops lower into the pelvis, and presses directly on the cervix or sensitive pelvic nerve. See, why have I felt that before? Yeah. And I've never been pregnant. Yeah, it is a different feeling.

But I feel like that's the most you could compare it to. But yeah, I feel like I do kind of get that feeling more in the rectum area. You get more in the rectum area? Yeah, I do. I've felt that before, but I don't really know why. See, we have more in common. and then we even realize. I'm so proud of us.

Look at us being vulnerable and sharing about our lightning cross. This has been so vulnerable. I feel so bonded to you. How many bones does a newborn have? Well, first of all, how many bones does an adult have? 52?

300. No, it's 368. You actually know the number? No. Okay, so I'm just going to guess how many bones a newborn has. Probably at that point, probably about at least

202. I'm going to say 250. So stupid. 250 bones. Matt is closest. It's around 300. To answer your question, the average adult human body has 206 bones. You're telling me we lose bones as we get older.

They fuse together. That's freaky. What you're looking at me right now. Gradually fuse together into larger, stronger bones as they grow. Okay, that is not what I would have expected. So newborn babies have more bones. than adults, but they fuse together into stronger megabones. Hey, who's impressed that I had a pretty good grasp on how many bones?

That was good. You actually helped me. You helped me out, yeah. Oh, this one's rough. How many contractions does the average woman experience during labor? Ooh, contractions. Oh, my gosh. I feel like you were getting them.

It was like every, was it every 30? had potosin. Was it every 30 seconds, every minute? Yeah. By the end, it was like they were less than a minute apart. Yeah. So. Because I had potosin.

So if that's 60 in one hour. And it took about 24 hours. And then so I'm going to say what's 12 times 60? Six times 12 is 72. So 720 contractions. Oh my gosh. That feels, wait, what was your math there? I did one a minute for 12 hours.

that's too much yeah i'm going to say 500 oh 500 seems pretty good i'm going to go with 400 i really want to win this i see i would love a back rub from you shut up i've never received one in my life so that's not true

okay i'm gonna go for i'm gonna go 400 a hundred what wait it's only a hundred Honky. Wait, there's only a hundred contractions. There's no way. There's no way.

Here, here, I'll just give this to you guys. Since you're on the mic, just read the math. Early latent labor, contractions are mild, spaced five to 30 minutes apart and typically lasts 30 to 45 seconds. This phase can last 6 to 12 hours or more translating to about 24 to 120 contractions. Active labor, contractions become much stronger and more regular occurring every 2 to 5 minutes and lasting 45 to 90 seconds. Active labor generally lasts 3 to 5 hours, resulting in a bit of 5 hours resulting in a regular. about 35 to 150 contractions. Okay, so we're already way over that 100.

I guess these people have short. Whose active labor is 35 contractions? Yeah, what? This feels wrong. I'm going to say this, but also my labor was about 27 hours. So, and I had maximum potosin. Maximum potosin for.

Yeah, I'm going to say that somebody, I think AI did a little blunder there. I feel like, I feel like that's not true. True. So who was closer? I guess technically me. This is messed up. How do you feel about me beating you at this game?

Here's my hot take. I feel like the like the worst contractions are more painful than pushing. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Why? Why is that? I don't know. Because I think you're just so ready to push. It feels good that you can do something about it. Whereas like before I felt like my body was at war with itself.

When I saw you push though, I feel like. like that was when I saw you in the most pain. Maybe. Maybe I just blacked out. I actually did black out. I had my eyes open. I couldn't see anything. How many pounds?

But it's great. I want to do it again. Okay. Last question. What is it? Last question. How many calories does breastfeeding burn per day? 350 to 500.

Yeah. That sounds pretty good. I'm going to go with that answer. I should have. I should have. It's the pregnancy brain, though. You just can't help yourself to answer right away. Okay.

What is it? $300 to 500. So, yeah. So I'm going to get that point. Okay, fine. You get the point. Where are we at then in the game? Who won?

And I get no... Matt individually has three. He'd answered correctly. And if we're getting that one to Abby, then Abby has two. I win! That's what Griffin would say. Do I get a back rub? No.

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This is one. On my list of turnoffs of my husband gives me talking about humanoid robots is up there with AI and quad. When the humanoid robot can play with your hair, I'm screwed. I'm not letting a robot friggin't touch me. That ain't happening. I'm going to clip this one day. We're going to be like 20 years from now.

We're going to have a robot that like. No. No. You're not going to ever allow a robot in our house. Not around my children. Not around my. What? No.

Ever? No. We already have robots in our house, babe. Shut up. Our phones can listen to us. Our phones can listen to us. Our vacuums, our robots. Our car can drive itself.

There's robots everywhere. I don't want a humanoid robot. Our Google Home Mini, you literally talk to our Google Home Mini. I don't want a humanoid robot. Okay. Just where I draw the line. But then... I just have a vision of this freaking robot standing over our bed at night and I wake up.

We just lock them up at night, you know? There's certain things. you don't need to outsource, okay? Being a human, we can't outsource out to robots. I think you're just a little too, I think you're just a little spooked. I think you're psychotic. I think AI's freaking you out.

See, I, I think he just gave me the egg live on camera. Think about everything that it could do, you know? That I don't need it to do. Anything, anything you can think of. Did you know that when- See, this is why people are losing their jobs. Because of these things? Yes.

Well, the whole idea is that they can allow for humans to, work less and have more fun. You got to work. Working is important. True, true. But some people work more than 40 hours a week, and that overworking is not fun. So what if you could use leverage a humanoid robot to help get some of the work done for you? No, I think you just need to hire another actual human.

That's what people that don't love robots would say. Yep. Okay, moving right along. We've been talking about contractions and what Matt should do during labor, which should be your indicator that potentially our plans for having a scheduled C-section have changed. So, backstory for those that may not know. With my first, I was induced and because of they were concerned about size and I'm a fairly short girl.

So naturally my odds of like shoulder distosia with a baby being bigger, like they were like, well, at 39 weeks, like, we'll just get this process going. And sure enough, his shoulders did get stuck and they broke his clavicle. And he came out and there was not like, no long-term damage done to him. But it was marked as a severe shoulder dystosia. So after that, my doctor at the time recommended that when I got pregnant soon after that with our second to do a scheduled T-section. And I remember being at the time very, very thrown off by that.

Because I had no frame of reference for other birth experiences. Like I was like, that was great. He came out. Woohoo. And they were like, no. Like, I'm glad everything's okay. But that was less than ideal. And that could have potentially put the baby at risk for permanent nerve damage.

And so we had an elective C section with our second. And it was great. Both experiences, I feel like were, I mean, I wouldn't say dream birth experiences, but I mean, they were good experiences. I wasn't like, oh, I hate C-sections. I'll never do that again. Or I hate vaginal deliveries. I'll never do that again.

And neither of those happened. So I did just kind of assume, though, since our second baby was much bigger than our first, that we're just, I don't know why I just assume that we're just going to continue trending upward and there's no chance that I will probably ever have a doctor that's comfortable doing a vaginal delivery ever again. I just, I never thought that would be the case. Until now. Until now. So, um, this baby, our third boy is measuring significantly smaller. He's very healthy and doing great. Not, not a concerning amount. No, actually, he's actually just exactly 50%. Like, Yeah. He's just right at the, well, it just depending on the day that we've got.

We've had a lot of extra scans this pregnancy, but he's always measuring like to the day of like how far long gestationally we are. Yeah. So for us, that's actually quite a bit smaller than what we had before. And so I brought up with my doctor, hey, since this baby isn't like a significantly measuring significantly smaller, what do you think about a V-back? And she was, my OB was very open to it. And I was kind of surprised by that. And she's like, we'll just continue to see how things trend and we'll reassess every appointment. So I want to be transparent and knowing, like, you guys, I know that me talking about my birth plans will just, just from my past.

I know that this stirs up. It could trigger something. So many opinions. And I have to just acknowledge that even within my own care team, I have had three different opinions all based on my own medical history and my baby's set of circumstances. Like even within our own care team, everyone's slightly different. Like the high risk doctor or the MFM, maternal fetal medicine doctor, recommended something different than my OB recommended, who recommended something different than this doula I consulted.

So I'm just saying that I understand there are so many opinions, even given like my own history and also our babies set of health conditions too. because I should also add that like our babies also as of right now in a favorable position, meaning like he's head down facing backwards, I guess is the way to say it. I don't know. Like he's in a good position, which could also change. But then also he, the placenta is also in a good position, which earlier on in the pregnancy, that wasn't the case either.

And yeah, I also, he's also much smaller. So everyone seems to think that. there's a different perfect way to go about it and you can never really, really know. So that's why I've just approached this delivery, just like very, I'm trying to approach it open-handedly as possible, meaning like, you know, okay, sarah, sarah, whatever will be will be, but I will set myself up for probably just like, take the span of opinions and like this being the most medical intervention and this being the least, I'm just going to funnel this birth plan right down the middle. Now everyone's going to have their own opinions on what they want to do. Can I say something?

Yeah, totally. Well, I think the reason you're saying that is you spoke to a doula who encouraged you to potentially do this birth unmedicated. And then you've also had people in the past especially that were like, oh, you know, just do C-section, whatever. So you're getting these like two extreme fields of thought of C-section, unmedicated birth, C-Set. And it's just like- Well, and also I should say that probably the Dula would also recommend not being induced. Yeah. Whereas like, you know, with a scheduled C-section, the baby's coming early. But I think what your doctor ended up telling you is we're not inducing, but if we get to 40 weeks and the baby hasn't come, we're going to induce.

Yeah. Because according to the medical research and everything that we learned from your doctor. Well, just what we're personally comfortable with. It's just not ideal to like let baby hang out in their past 40 weeks. Now, I know saying that could probably upset some people. And they have amazing results and they feel strongly that way. And I love that. I love that for them.

Yeah. But we're just going to go with what our doctor. We're going right down the middle. We're following what the doctor says. I really, I should say I really do trust my OB and I have a good relationship with her. And to be fully transparent, she's the same doctor that delivered our daughter and on like literally the worst day of our life. And through that experience, like I just like I can understand having gone through loss or go through an experience like that, like where you'd be like, I never want to go to that hospital again. I never want to see that doctor again.

Even though it's not their fault, not like it's no one's fault. But you just like there's just so much trauma associated with your relationship with that person and like that time of your life. But I feel the opposite way where I'm like that really built a like a deep trust with my OB that I have. And so I really just think that she has like my best interest, baby's best interest. and also just considering me and you and like our desires for this birth and delivery like and so yeah as of right now we are going to go about a V-back but the birth plan is to do a V-back. Ideally I will go into spontaneous labor before 40 weeks so we can avoid induction. But if need be then at 40 weeks we will go in to be induced. Which wouldn't be the worst thing ever either, though, because I was already induced and it, it, my body did respond to the potocin and stuff. So we have that history as well. Go ahead.

I feel like the concern that people listening to this right now is probably what if your, what if your uterus ruptures? You know, what if there's a rupture of some, of some sort? Because it is a risk. It is. And if you look at the data, it's about 0.5 to 1% of women that do a V back end up having a rupture. So, I mean, that's, that is legitimate. I mean, if you take 200 women in a room, you know, that's going to be one to one to two of those women out of 200. Yeah, that is a risk for sure. And I also do have a higher risk of a recurrent shoulder dystosia because of our history. But I do think that risk has been diminished because of, like, lessened because of the baby size. But it's still a risk.

And I think for you, from everything that I'm hearing, you know you have it sounds like you got a 99% chance of this going the way it should and then you don't have to deal with the extreme intense recovery after C-section which sucks and you've done that and it was hard. Honestly, I didn't have a terrible recovery from the C-section. I feel like you hated it. It was definitely harder than my vaginal delivery. Okay. But I also am like I didn't have a terrible recovery. I think what's hard is if it's your second or third. birth than you have other kids to care for in the house and that that postpartum experience looks entirely different because you can't pick up anything but your newborn for six weeks

or like drive a car for two weeks or something like like there was there's a lot more restrictions on what you can do when that feels like that that freedom's hard to get taken away when you have just a newborn but it's really hard to have that freedom taken away when you have other little's in the house that you that need you and rely on you. And so ideally that would not be the case. And so we're just going to go about this. And I feel, I honestly feel really positive about it. And I don't even think it's like, I don't think it's dumb confidence. Like, I feel like we have, I feel really confident about like how this is going to go. I just keep telling myself that we're going to spontaneously go into labor right around 38 weeks. And it's

going to be beautiful and amazing. We're going to have an epidural that works. And, And we're going to, it's going to go fast. It's going to be great. Yeah, it's been sweet hearing you tell people too. You told my mom and your mom and you've been so excited to share with everybody that you get to do a V-back. I know very few moms get their like ideal dream experience. But it would be really cool to go into spontaneous labor, to have my water break, to go to the, like, not know when you're going to the hospital. And then you go and then you like, it would just be really cool to have all.

all those things happen. And so I'm just believing that it will happen and it will be amazing. But I do think for the first time we're going to hire a doula. We're still back and forth. Yeah. Because I feel like the majority of people I know that have hired doulas, it's because they've pursued an unmedicated birth. And that's not a part of my personal birth plan.

But I'm like, it would just be nice also to have someone else there, especially because it is a V-back and has like certain risks. associated with it to just have someone else there to advocate and to like um kind of speak for us when because i just remember so much of like our first delivery we were just alone in that room and i was like what's going on like you're just kind of left in the dark obviously i know more now but i still am not like an expert by any means the majority of women that you talk to that have experienced an unmedicated birth yeah what what's this the stitch Did they like it?

They're badass women. Are they glad that they did it? Are all of them like, yes, I'm glad I did it? Yes. They all are. Yes, but they're also like, usually there's a long period where they're like, I'll never do that again. And then they do it again. They do it again unmedicated.

Some of them do, yeah, again. But some of them, they're like, one was plenty. That's hardcore. They are better than me. I've got to just say it. They are better than me. I personally, That to me, I feel like the people that do that, I kind of think of the people that like run marathons.

I'm like, did anybody tell them they don't have to? Yeah. They don't have to do that. They don't have to do that. But, you know, there's also just like there's so many, there's so many fields of thought around this, you know? Like, their epidural comes with risks for sure. And it also limits you, like what you can do when you're in labor. Didn't you say that when your grandma gave birth to your dad, she was even knocked out?

Yes. Like the whole way that birth works in America has changed a lot. Yeah, she was under general anesthesia. They're not doing that no more. Not ideally. It does happen in some. Oh, really? Yeah.

And the baby just pops out. Like your body just kind of does its thing. No, no, no, no. They're doing a C-section. Oh, wait, your grandma didn't have a C-section. Yeah, I know. She was knocked out. And I think they did four-seps, which is crazy.

Yeah, that's not good. Is that okay? No. No. Yeah, I didn't think so. No, no, no, no, they don't do that anymore. So, you know, it's just one of those things where it's like I fully know that me talking about this online is going to elicit some opinions. And I feel comfortable with knowing that there's a lot of different opinions of people are like, hey, you know, I disagree with this.

Or it's like, that's okay. You know, we have our own care team that we trust. And I'm just saying we personally feel really confident with this plan. and it's like it's also just really cool that we never thought that this would be an option and I was I was so content and resolved with that for years you know ever since we had all yeah I was like yeah this is just our what we'll do and it'll be great but it's cool that this is like an option now and I'm I'm thinking it's going to be good how do you feel about seeing me go through labor again given our first delivery not going as like smooth as possible

Are you scared? Yeah, yeah. I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna try to be there for you. You seemed a little traumatized after that. I'm just gonna do my best to just be there for you and love on you and do whatever I can to be there for you. Should we do a birth prep class? We could. This third go round.

I mean, we've already, we've already been through it though. So I don't know. I feel like the people that do those are usually people that have. I know, but I feel like we could learn some things. I'm sure we could learn something. You know, maybe watch some YouTube videos about birth. You know what's really crazy is that for a period of time, in our first delivery, we accidentally did hypno birthing.

Yeah. You turned on, did I tell you to turn these meditations on or did you just? I can't remember if it was me that found the meditation or you, but you wanted meditations. And it freaking worked. Yeah. Like I fully believe. So this doula that we've talked with does hypno birthing. And I was like, no, no, no, ma'am.

I fully believe in what you guys do because I experienced that. Whenever we were in transition and something was up with my epidural and I was. going nonverbal. You locked in. I locked in on this meditation and I don't know what happened. I just, what I do? I just didn't talk for hours.

What happened? Your brain went somewhere else. My brain ascended. Your consciousness, yeah, left your body and you just breathed and listen to this lady, talk about breathing and feeling peace. Yeah, I did. And also, we used that tens machine. We did a couple like crunchy methods.

We did do a couple country. Yeah, the tendon machine, that was cool, though. Because every time when you were feeling contractions, I would like jolt you. You were like, it's coming. And I'm like, shock me. I think I think this time, though, you might want to just get the epidural a little bit sooner than last time because I think you waited too long last time. No. You've talked about that.

No, I think I'll wait. You're going to try to go. What if I just go on mega hit? Oh my gosh. Okay. You do whatever you want. I'll be there for you with whatever you want. You're just, I worry about you big.

I do worry about myself. I've seen you be in a lot of pain and it like it hurts me to see you in that much pain. Oh, well, maybe like if I had some training, I could handle it better. Also, I'm thinking in my head if we don't have potocin, it's going to be a different ballgame. It'll still be incredibly, incredibly difficult, but the speed and intensity in which things were happening. And also, potocin makes your contractions less productive. So like those contractions are more painful closer together and they're also not progressing your labor as well. Which is also probably why our estimations for contractions were so high.

Like, I was on Potosin for about 24 hours. Yeah. That does something to you. That does something to you. Indeed. So, I don't know. Maybe we just start getting the combs out. Have you seen people do that?

They like squeeze combs. Like, it pinches their hands. Oh, that way they don't, it's like transferring the pain to other parts of the body. Maybe we just try to do this crunchy. This is the first time you're saying. saying this to me. I don't think I can. I'm like, what are you? Are you serious right now? I don't know. I guess maybe think on that. I'm going to think on that. Maybe meditate on that a little bit. I'm going to turn on a meditation. Yeah. Just see.

Listen to some hypno birthing and decide if that's what you actually want. I know that if I had the right person in my corner being like, do this, then I would just get competitive with myself. But then in my head, I'm like, no, no, no, no. Let's not do that. Because the epidural actually helped progress me with our labor in the first. So I don't know, we're back and forth, but we're really just planning on going straight down the middle here and doing a V-back with potential to be induced. Yeah. But I mean, we're going to really do all the things to try to make that not happen. But I know people do all the right things and then it still doesn't happen. So we're just holding this open-handedly, but that is a big change to our birth plan in the final quarter of this pregnancy.

Yeah. It's a home stretch game plan decision. So we are excited. Our puppy pretzel is growing up. She's gotten so big, you guys. She's just so cute, so fun, so playful. Something that has come up, though, ever since having a dog, is needing to take her to the vet. She got into some sort of beehive or something and got stung by a bee a couple months ago. And that was super freaky.

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In other news, okay, that was awesome. I'm glad we talked about hypno birthing, you know, unmedicated birth. That's news to me, babe, that you're actually considering that. Seriously, there's probably about a 5% chance. But I think we should talk about the miraculous cure you found to your headaches recently. For anybody that doesn't know, Abby's been getting so many headaches. aches in this pregnancy and it's been frequent and we can't figure out why until now people so take it away babe what what did you do i did the one hour glucose test i didn't do the fresh test for those that

i don't even really know what the fresh test is it's just a healthier glucose drink they only offered me the hummingbird juice and i drank that and um even after just an hour and with the 50 what was it, 50 grams of sugar drink, my glucose was still like off the charts like low. So I think I have low blood sugar. In which case I just decided to take it upon myself. No one advised me to do this. But just to have like a full sugar body armor or like even just a full sugar soda in the afternoon when I was like starting to get headaches every single day.

And I haven't had a headache since. You just needed some sugar. I just needed some sugar. Mama need some sugar, okay? Well, because you have a friend that had... I have several friends that had gestational diabetes. Justational diabetes. And then you realize that your levels were much lower.

Yeah, which is not great either. What, like speak to the levels. But it's way worse to have gestational diabetes, I will say. What was your number that you got when you took the test? The glucose test. After an hour, I think it was like 63. So it's not crazy. 63 of what?

My glucose was 63. I don't know what the units are. don't ask me that. But then you had a friend that had like 150 or something? Like 190. One, oh my gosh. Yeah, pull up what it is and read it out loud. I don't know.

It could be enlightening. It's nothing that's crazy. But it is data that I, 63, is it milligrams? What is that? Milligram. It says MG slash DL. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what that is.

Milligrams per deciliter of blood. So you have 63. milligrams per deciliter of blood. And I will say that that was the test. That wasn't fasted. I didn't fast before that. And I drank the whole drink. Okay.

So, yeah, that is pretty low. Yeah. So, yeah. No one advised me to do this. But after I saw that, I was like, okay, well, maybe I'll just like have a little bit more sugar in the afternoons. Are there any sodas that you want to buy now that you need more? I've just been really liking a strawberry banana body armor.

Really? Yes. Or just like full sugar. Root beer? You've been into root beer this pregnancy. I should do that. But I've just been having like full sugar like electrolyte drinks. Okay.

And it's been really, that is weird that it just like actually fixed it because I was getting so many. But they would hit around like 4 p.m. So I was like maybe my blood sugar was just dropping too low. Everyone's like, do you feel like you're going to pass out? I'm like, no. I don't feel that way. So maybe I'm just consistently like a little lower. but yeah no I feel much better now I'll talk to my doctor about it at our next appointment

like hey I kind of did this thing because obviously it's not like I needed to consult her before I started having more sugar you know but and then she'll probably give me some more advice that's more medically sound than this but yeah everything looks good I except I'm all my numbers that are related to hydration are messed up because I have bathroom problems about six, seven times a day. Ooh. Then I was waking up in the night with them. Which I'm like, yeah, it makes sense.

I can't keep up with my water intake here. I feel bad for you having to deal with that. Am I just a stinky girl? No, I just, I mean, I don't know if I got it from you or if it was just something unrelated, but I found myself in the bathroom, so to speak, the other day. And that was painful. Yeah, I'm getting that six to seven times a day. That's so much in the day.

You've had a lot of sympathy symptoms. Now I think about it. Yeah, I know. Let's speak to my sympathy symptoms. What are you noticing? Well. A little bit of, I'm getting a little chunkier. You said that yourself.

What? Did I say that? You said that. I was just saying it as if you were saying it. A little bit of sympathy weight gain. A little sympathy weight gain. I think you wear it well. It looks amazing on you.

Did we notice something else happening with your ariolas life? You did point out to me that my ariolas are bigger. You pointed it out. I wish it not me. pointed out. I think it was body shaming is what it was. Nuh. You said, wait, are my nipples bigger? And you confirmed it, which was basically like you saying. And I was like maybe just a little bit. It's just sympathy. It's just sympathy.

But I will say, guys, I have a buddy whose wife had a baby in the past year and he gained and lost 30 pounds all in a year because of hormones alone. He said he didn't change anything about his diet, his exercise. This guy is in touch with his wife. And I think that just means we're in touch. I think our hormones are aligned. Have you been having mood swings? Probably. I don't know. I've been having them. How does that feel? What is it like from your perspective to have a mood swing? Like, I am aware that it's happening, but I also just feel like I'm at a loss of controlling it. And so you just kind of like let it let it rip? Yeah. Yeah. Just today. I'll work on it. What should I do? Maybe next time if I'm feeling rage, just give me a hug.

Maybe we need to just consult Daniel Tiger and say, take a deep breath. In count. Down to four. One, two, three, four. I feel like this is dangerous advice, but I feel like you should try it and just see how it lands. Wait, say, let's do that. What I, no, no, no. I think you should say, hey, this feels like a big reaction. I don't think I can say that. You're pregnant, and thank you so much for growing my baby.

Can I give you a hug or do you need space? That feels a good idea. I could try it, but I will say in the past when I've tried to do hugs. hasn't gone over well for me. I know. I understand that. I do understand that. But why don't you just give it a shot?

And we can see how it lands. And then we'll workshop it after the moment. So what is my line? So your line is this. Start singing Daniel Tiger. Don't do that. Take a deep breath and count. Don't do that.

That would be really bad. I think you should say, hey, this feels like a big reaction. I understand you're pregnant. Thank you so much for growing my baby. So appreciate. Would you like a hug or some space? Okay. Let's practice that right now. Yeah.

Hey, that seems like a big reaction. I really appreciate you growing my baby. No, no. Say you're pregnant. You're pregnant. You're pregnant. I understand you're pregnant. And you're growing my baby.

Thank you so much. Would you like a hug? Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Would you like a hug? See, that's the thing, like the specificity of the words. Like, I can't get that down. Let's write it down.

I'm going to have to memorize the, like it's so specific. It does matter. I hate to say it. It does matter. Hey, that seemed like a big reaction. I understand you're pregnant. Growing my baby. Thank you so much.

Would you like a hug or just some space? That's perfect. I feel like this could go over really well. Please report back. I'll report back if that works. Terrified. I've got to tell you how it feels like how pregnancy, like hormone mood swings feel in my body. How would this work?

It feels like I have an angel abbey and a devil abbey. and then Angel Abby gets too scared to say anything to Devil Abby. And so then Devil Abby just like takes over. What would Devil Abby do if, if husband, you know, were to say, take a chill. Kicks the crotch. Swift kicked the crotch. Tell them my big your egg example. Oh, yeah.

This one wasn't, this one was when I was having a swing that was like more like sadness. Okay. It was different than rage. Rage is scarier. Sadness is just pathetic. But Matt made, I have three hard-boiled eggs every single morning of my life. Have for a really long time. Matt made my eggs the other day.

Wrong move. I didn't want that for breakfast that day. You could say, Abby, you eat that every single day and you have for months, maybe even years. And I would say, yes, but I didn't want it today. And then he's like, what else do you want? But we didn't have anything else. And so I just start crying. And Matt was just silent.

and scared. He just had three eggs, but he already had his eggs that morning so we didn't know what to do with them. And did I eat them? What happened with those eggs? I can't remember, actually. See, those eggs might have gotten tossed.

I should have just ordered some chickfly for you, actually, at that point. That's a good game plan, unless it's Sunday, you know. Can't get chick-fil-a on Sunday. It's just one of those things you can't predict when it's going to take over, but I just feel like having this conversation,

putting it all out in the open, And that feels like progress. Yeah. I think now you have some more tools in your tool belt. Oh, yeah. I don't give myself some credit. I feel like I didn't get crazy until week 30. Okay.

Yeah. Totally. Totally. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I think you're great. I wouldn't even say, you know what? I would say that's not kind to yourself.

Don't call yourself crazy. Thank you. So yeah, any other thing, any other symptoms happening? We haven't really sat down and talked about this pregnancy that much, but I just really hope it doesn't come across as me complaining because I can't tell you how grateful I am to be here because like I said, I'm telling you there was a long period there where I just was like this will never ever happen to get to me. You're just uncomfortable. I'm just a little uncomfortable and what a gift it is to be uncomfortable right now. Like seriously, like I am so grateful for that.

I'm so grateful to play the role of pregnant lady right now. Like it just feels so great. It feels amazing. And also challenging. So I also think that this baby is just in a different position than I've ever carried before. And so I'm just like not used to that. And it's a different type of uncomfortable than I experienced before, whereas I used to feel it like all in my ribs.

Now I'm feeling it in my hips, my pelvis. And it's just a different feeling, you know. The mobility is more difficult when it's transition to this location. But we're still doing our walks. We're still doing our stretches. I got those cat cows going. Pretty soon I'm going to start having some dates and some raspberry leaf tea and maybe some pineapple juice.

I don't know. You're a rock star. That's the only advice my doula had for right now was she was like, just look up a bunch of positive V-back stories. That's funny. So I've been watching a lot. But then a lot of these people that do V-backs are unmedicated. And I'm like, wait a minute.

I don't like watching those. I mean, I think they're warriors. I think you're recommended that you do it with the epidural. She did. Because then she said in the rare case that, you know, something, yeah, something were to happen. They don't have to go in and like, I mean, they would have to do local anesthesia, right? They wouldn't be able to do. I think general anesthesia.

Like you go to sleep. Yeah. So it's a lot safer from my understanding, having the epidural in already. It's not necessarily safer, but then you guarantee that you'll be awake when your baby's born. And you'll be like coherent. Ah, okay. Oh, so if they're using, if they put you to sleep, yeah, you're asleep. Like, you wouldn't be awake for the baby being more.

You're waking up a few hours later. God, that makes sense. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. You know, I did look up, though. I was like, I thought for sure that if your uterus ruptured, that I'd be like game over for having kids. It doesn't mean that.

You can have kids after. Yeah. Which is crazy. You would think that that would be like a game over situation. Mm-hmm. But it's not. So, you know, Kesar Ross. to rock. Yeah. Well, thank you everybody for tuning in for yet another episode of unplanned. Guys,

we're approaching 200 episodes of this show, which is crazy. I've tried to say that my milk came in my left armpit two nights ago. Wait, you're kidding me. No, I told you that yesterday. In your left armpit? It's just like a bulge. Is that what you're noticing? It was already puffy, but now it's full of milk and it hurts a little bit when I stretch it. I'm sorry. That's so uncomfortable. I remember you getting that in the past. Yeah, remember when I had to get an ultrasound of it? Now we're not alarmed by pit boob. You've got it's going to take It's going to take a lot more to get a rise out of us over here

Than a little armpit boob Having a boob in your armpit is crazy Is that considered a third boob if it's in your armpit? Potentially is it connected to your main? Is it connected to the main boob? No, I don't know it's not connected It's not Wouldn't it like go through your armpit though

And it like goes through underneath? Yeah Well I mean you have milk glands all the way up through there Are you serious? Yeah, that's what we learned You have milk glands down here by your belly? Okay, remember when I got the ultrasound? They said, like a cat.

You know, cats have like, like a lot of animals have like nipples all the way up. Okay. We also have milk glands all those places. But we only have two nipples. It's crazy. So, or actually some people might have more. Are humans related to cats in some way? I guess we're all mammals.

We're all just trying our best. It's getting weird now. That is getting weird. But, yeah, it's, it's. It's there. So here's a thing. That's that's that's that's old news for us. Goodness. Well, Abby has a third boob and you look it looks great. Thank you again to everyone that's been listening to our show since the beginning.

We are coming up on 200 episodes. That's going to be in December. So everybody would be thinking about like, but we should we should do some sort of celebration. We should do something to bring in the year with 200 episodes. That's crazy. Thank you again so much for tuning in for yet another. episode and for everyone that's left a review or left a comment or subscribe like the support for the show means so much and yeah leaving a review or even just subscribing to the show is a free way that you can support us so thank you again and we will see you in the next episode love yeah love yeah