The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - We’re all pregnant, birth confessions & why you need your mom postpartum

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

Abby, Abigail, and Addy are all pregnant at the same time - and there's a lot to talk about. From which trimester has been the hardest, to what it's really like sharing pregnancy news for the third time, to the moments that make them laugh (and cry) most. They spill birth stories, talk VBACs, and share why having their mom around postpartum is non-negotiable. This episode is sponsored by Nutrafol, Hiya & BetterHelp Nutrafol: Visit https://nutrafol.com and enter promo code UNPLANNEDPOD for $10 off any order and free shipping when you subscribe. Hiya: Go to https://hiyahealth.com/UNPLANNED and receive 50% off your first order. BetterHelp: Visit https://BetterHelp.com/unplannedpodcast today to get 10% off your first month. Chapters: 00:00 - WE’RE ALL PREGNANT 04:20 - Should you video your birth? 07:49 - Which trimester is the worst? 18:28 - Telling people you're pregnant a 3rd time 23:25 - The first time I heard my mom call herself "grandma” 26:19 - What happens when you put 3 pregnant people together 31:43 - The most unhinged thing I've heard this week 42:28 - Going for a VBAC 46:28 - Dealing with birth disappointment 56:14 - My 3-year-old understands his baby cousin 1:13:23 - My dad didn't want me taking oxycodone 1:18:08 - The hardest part of postpartum 1:20:43 - Why you need your mom postpartum 1:24:31 - My brother is a girl dad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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When people have, like, a dreamy birth experience, I feel myself being like, dang it. That's because I associated the outcome of a birth with some type of personal achievement. Going for a V-back, I just really want to try again. But then it's like, okay, now I have to be aware of these wrists on my life or of this baby's life. I needed my mom. I needed my mom, too. Even during labor, when I saw my mom, I was like, oh, mom, like, you know.

The way that I found out that you were pregnant of a funny story. Oh, my God, I just remember that. How did you know? I said it says on the wall. Welcome back to the unplanned podcast. Today I have my lovely sister-in-laws. They're both about to bust. And I mean that in the best way

because they're both expecting, have the cutest round bellies. That's sweet. Seriously. They're so perfectly round. I was really thinking that. They're very rough. They're just killing it, you guys.

So Addie is literally due today. Today is my due day. So we are officially, officially on Baby Watch. Oh, yeah. That would be the first little baby. girl in the family and Abby how far along are you 30 today's 34 oh 34 yeah 34 weeks there guys are crushing it honestly yeah I want to talk all things baby because this is like the last time potentially this is the only time that we're all pregnant together could be which is so

crazy obviously you guys are in a totally different stage I'm also pregnant and I feel like I'm in a totally different stage but it's just I mean still it counts we're all having babies at the same time and that's like that's something special that might never happen again all within like the same like grade in school year that's true like if you think about it that way like yeah we're kind of far apart but they're all they would all be in the same grade it'll even out eventually it'll even out eventually for the first like two years it's going to be so obvious like every month makes a difference and i feel like even for a while between cj and oggy where there only 18 days i was like the cj so advanced like now they're evening out a lot about i was like

when will hockey be able to do that 18 days from now probably like it's so crazy in that first year. I know. It's really shocking. You've got to take it month by month. I think especially with nursing too, because like having an 18 day jump on the nursing journey was like, I would always kind of remember looking to you and being like, okay, I got to get 18 more days. Then I'll be more good in 18 days. Yeah, I was like 18 days. A lot happens. It's 18 days, right? I'm pretty sure. That's what's someone commented one time. Yeah, that's how we figured it out. We just let them. Thank you followers for doing right now. Also, can I just say if you do hear the air conditioning, we apologize. We made the executive decision that since we

have like two extremely pregnant women we're going to let this fly because in summer in Arizona typically we turn it off for audio purposes it shouldn't be that loud but I already am sweating you do have to know they have they're they're incubating a human literally I could have a baby today if we if she really wanted to I was literally thinking like last night in bed I was like wow when a baby comes out they've gone from a balmy like 98.6 forever to like cold sterile hospital room yeah because they probably I'll keep the hospital a little cold for the mom because we're probably sweating, right, during delivery and stuff.

And then it's probably just so cold. I know. That made me sad for them. Well, especially I thought about Augie. I was like, he was evicted so quickly. Like, it didn't even have time to think about it. He didn't even, and he was pissed about it. He was so pissed.

Did he cry right away? Yeah, but they did prep me. They were like, in my C-section babies, they take some of a minute to, like, realize they're out. He screamed immediately. Wow. Yeah. That was just great. I didn't even realize.

It went back and looked at the video. It was foreshadowing. And it was over a minute before C.J. You're kidding. Uh-uh. Because I remember Caleb and I were holding our breath. Was that scary? It was for a minute.

Yeah. A little bit. Did you like register that that was happening? Were you like thinking about like? Yeah. Am I waiting to hear the cry? Okay. Uh-huh.

Because they pulled him out and Caleb said, it's a boy. And we were celebrating. And then it was just silence. But the nurses and doctors didn't sound anything. But we have the video and you never hear the cry. He was a little bit in distress. He was, yeah. But I remember then when we heard the cry, we started crying.

Oh, sweet. I watched that video 500 times. I love you and, like, right after having CJ. I know. I can't wait for this baby. With Griffin, I don't remember. You don't remember? I don't think that he was fine right away.

I think they were just worried about his arm. I'm interested because I'm like, I don't think we're going to have, like, a video at all. Like, I don't think Blake wants to video anything, and I don't, I think he wants to be present, and I don't really want anyone else in the room. I could, like, set up a phone or something. You just set up a tripod and just have it in the corner. You should get your reactions. It's the best, it's the best video.

Can someone convince Blake of that? Just get one off your face. I don't share it anywhere. No, yeah, I know. It would just be for us, but yeah. And CJ loves watching that video. I'll have to ask Blake about it. I'll ask him tonight.

You know, yesterday? It's so cute. You know, when you're, like, having contraction and you start pushing and stuff, you're supposed to breathe for your contractions. Like, you're not supposed to push, like, super hard. I'm like, how did you, where did you learn this again? I just saw a video. oh my gosh i love that it's like he's so sweet that's funny he's getting on like the birth side of

tic-t-tac yeah blake has asked me some questions recently blake is my brother sometimes he's asked me some questions recently i'm like he's gonna change a lot really quickly or like he's like said a couple things about like birth and i'm like surprised that he knows but i'm like it makes sense like he's having his own baby but then i'm also like even telling you like i don't i like never want to seem like oh just like just you but I did think back to like the day before I had Griffin or even the day I went into like be induced with him how like I was like wow my brain just felt so different then like my brain literally changed the the day he was born like it was like it's like a before and after type of thing and it didn't happen with Augie like because I feel like it had already made that switch to parent mode where you just view the world differently and like I feel like that does start to happen during pregnancy but there is just a stark difference in my mind from like that day leading up or like even with USCJ when we went to see like the Barbie movie and stuff like those memories become like etched in your brain because they're so they talk about that with crime so like when they ask someone like what were you doing on the day of such and

such if it is a very memorable like day they can tell you what they ate for breakfast that day like what they were wearing like all these other things but then if it's like any other day or like what happened last Tuesday you're like I don't know like I don't remember what I ate for breakfast last Tuesday but like those memorable days it's just funny how those like just you remember every single detail but then especially you remember how you feel in those moments. and how it just like changes. Yeah, I can only imagine because I'm like, I feel like I've already,

my brain has already changed so much in like the last nine months that I'm like, it's surely going to change even more. Like, even more tomorrow or, you know, like the next couple days, you know. That is crazy. The meals you totally will remember.

Really? I remember my mom made me, I got the Foley Bowl. I went home. My mom made me a sandwich with turkey and pesto and avocado. It was all delicious. Why do I remember that she made me a sandwich?

You just, those little details just, become so vivid yes and it is funny like even with like CJ's birth like I remember what we were doing I remember I was putting together that little shuffleboard table and just like texting you and just like thinking about it like I woke up in the night thinking about it like I just remember these days so vividly and it's so exciting that it's just like all about to happen again I'm like I'd love for it to be today because I'm gonna be like this podcast was recorded on the day that she was born yeah right come on yeah we should make it

Addie stand and hold a mic and just do squats the whole box. Yeah. By the way, why are you sitting? You need to rest right now. You need to relax. Okay, so you guys are both, like, very in the third trimester. I want to ask you now, since we had you earlier on in the pregnancy, what do you think is the worst trimester?

Or I shouldn't say the worst, the most difficult trimester. You can go first, Eddie. I might say first trimester, actually. My first trimester, like, just like the morning sickness and that kind of stuff was, way worse than honestly most of the symptoms that I've had third trimester like yeah these last like two weeks have been pretty rough but I think the four weeks that I had morning sickness and like was so tired and couldn't like get out of bed was worse than what these last couple weeks have been I think I've had a very fairly easy pregnancy I'm very very grateful for that like every time someone's like how are you

feeling I'm like I feel pretty good honestly like I don't I'm not like overly tired I'm not like super uncomfortable most of the time I can sleep and still move my body but like in the first trimester I couldn't move my body I'd wake up super early because I was morning like I had morning sickness couldn't really like do anything during the day because I didn't feel good at all and so I'd say probably first trimester for me I was going to say the third for me third because I don't get nauseous in the first I'm tired but you know you just lay on the couch but this trimester I remember this was TJ I'm just so sore everything's way more uncomfortable every time I lay out of bed at night time and to get up,

I had to do a five-point turn, you know. It's just like every involunt that comes out of my mouth. Just the slightest of movement. I'm like, I'm not even being dramatic. I didn't even know my mouth was going to make that sound. It's just, it's just, it's just. Didn't you say that CJ started grunting too?

Yeah, he was trying grunting. I was like, oh my gosh, I get to shut my trap for because this poor kid is learning some weird habits. But yeah, it's just pain. I think the pain is more in the third. Yeah. Well, do you think that this one has been, like harder than your first pregnancy? I was just telling Addie this today. C.J. was actually

he was breached until maybe 35 or 36 weeks. And so I think that's why I never had pelvic floor pain with him because his head was not down. So I didn't have a ton of pressure at low. This baby is in a normal position. And so I've had a lot more pelvic floor pain and probably being the second is more painful. So I think there are probably two reasons why. You actually had a hot take the other day. Oh, you told me in Val, you're like, I think your third pregnancy is the easiest No, no. This is my optimistic mentality. I was trying to hype myself up because Caleb and I want to have four, three or four kids. And so in my head, I'm thinking, hmm, maybe it'll be like workout sets. Like your first workout set, your first pregnancy, you know, it's exhausting, it's tiring, it's hard, it's your first time. And then by the end of it, you're fatigued. But you're like, okay, that wasn't terrible. Then, you know, the second set, you're like, oh, I'm adding weight. You know, I got to bulk up a little bit more, so I'm going to put more weight on. And then you're really tired. hard. I always think the second set of a workout is the worst. I'm exhausted, it's heavier. I don't like it. Then the third set, I typically get a second wind. And I'm like, let's go. And then by the fourth,

I'm like, wow, this is amazing. You know, like, that was a fun workout. So I'm hoping that's how it is with kids. Yeah, in pregnancies. Or your body just gets more torn down. I don't know what it is. I want everyone to comment down below that's had three or four kids. Tell us which pregnancy you found the most challenging. Like, you can report. That's cute. I'll return back in nine months. We're in the first pregnancy. I was talking pregnancy.

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Like, I knew it. And I was like... It's happening. I told Matt before. I told her whole family. I'm sorry. He's like, I think they're going to tell us

they're pregnant tonight. Oh, that was crazy. You just knew. Yeah, instinct. The way that I found out that you were pregnant. Kind of a funny story. Oh, my gosh.

I just remember that. So I'll explain mine because yours is a little probably more straightforward of a way that you found out. Mine's a little crazy. Call that. I'm kidding.

It's my fault. We've claimed it. It's my fault. It's not. so we go to the gym together and they have a little very small laminated piece of paper that they put over by the speaker and they usually write down like how many people are in class and it's for the trainer to be able to reference during the workout and afterwards not a public piece of paper just I was looking at it and I had noticed like a week before I am I am kind of observant I do watch a lot of things look at people and want to know what's going on.

Like a week before, there were a bunch of names on, like, the modifications list, and it, like, they have, like, dashes and it's either, like, P for pregnant or P.P. for postpartum, or, like, there's knee injuries or different things. The fact that she even knows all these codes. I've never looked at it. Listen, I've looked at it so many times. That's so nosy and funny. I looked at it today.

I looked at it today, mine was the only name that said it, and there were multiple other pregnant people in there. That's true. Okay, because this day I was the only one on it, and I was like, four weeks pregnant not very pregnant and so I saw it like a week before and I was like there were five names on there and they all said pregnant and I was like there was one other I counted everyone I knew that was pregnant you could see that they were pregnant and then there was one girl that maybe was pregnant but I didn't know her name I was like maybe her name's Abby that's what I thought I was like surely not next week there's not many other people in this

class that are pregnant it only says Abby my only said Abby dash P She didn't even say pregnant, I just said dash P. And why was I looking at it? I don't know, but I'm in the middle of my workout. I don't remember what. Maybe it was like leg day or something. And we were on our resting set and I was just staring off into space. After I read it, I was like putting the pieces together.

I'm like, maybe. The trader called it was Sam. She goes, Addy, you good? You're freaking out. You're like, I think this is her as well pregnant. She was pregnant right now. I was like, what's going on? And then after, so after the workout.

I never thought that she knew. No. After we finished the workout, usually we all like come together and sit together and just chat. You were off on your own. I was off on my own with a bowl because there was just a medicine ball there. So I was just sitting with it. I was waiting for you and Matt were talking. So I was waiting for you to get up and come over. You came over like, you're like, are you okay? I said, sit down. I was like, sit down. Because I wanted to be quiet as possible in case this was true. I said, are you pregnant? And you went, she just, like, looked at me, and she was like, I tackled her. I'm, like, 36 weeks pregnant.

I'm just tackled happy. And I'm like, oh, she goes, how did you know? I said, it says it on the wall over there. We were waiting to tell Blake and Addie together. And so we were like, we had the, we had, I think this was a Saturday workout, was it, or was it a? I can't remember. You were to tell me the next day. When we already had plans to see you and Blake together.

Yes. Because I wanted to tell them together. and then that happens. They felt so bad. Yeah, they did feel so so bad because I was like, the only reason I told them is because I had a double hernia before and I was like, I just need to make sure that

because I feel fine. So I want to make sure I'm not doing anything that's going to like mess me up because my instinct is just to keep doing it because I feel normal. And so I was like, I just want them to know because I clearly have, could have helped myself out better in the past,

potentially. I think it's probably going to happen anyway. So I was like, I'm just going to let her. no and so she was the only person i told like right away was because i was like i don't want to do anything dumb in the gym and then it was and then i found out unfortunately that was my fault they created a new policy i even told them i was like you're the only people that know right yeah yeah and then um they created a new policy because what's the new policy i think they do have to probably they don't they write they don't write it down unless it's like something at time

oh my gosh it's so yeah so it was it was just very funny and ironic that that's the way it happened and then that night was like okay we have to tell we have to tell Blake tonight like so we like went over for dinner and then like you we have it on video of them telling Blake and then Blake looks at me he goes did you know I was like I accidentally found out this one yeah it's not intentional at the Edwards oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I was shocked really I mean I knew that you had pulled the IUD like at the beginning of the year yeah but then you guys had kind of been like, well, let's talk about it a bit more before we start trying.

Yeah. So then when you told me that you were pregnant, I was shocked. I teared up and, yeah, I was like, this is crazy. It was really fun. Yeah, it was so fun. Yeah, that was, that was, I, that whole night was so fun. That was a great night. A lot of big announcements that I was fun.

Yeah. That's funny because, like, we didn't tell anyone we were going to try because we had never told anyone that we were going to try, you know, but then, um, it was such like an internal dialogue for so long. And then all of a sudden, it was kind of just like, okay, like, and it was a decision we made like together so i was like i just like it was it felt really special that time that it was like we just knew this thing and then yeah telling everyone was also so fun i do think it's a little anticlimactic announcing the third time yeah i'm like you did it again you get one really

fun one uh-huh no it's always a blessing and it's like it's always viewed the same once the baby arrives. It's just a pregnancy announcement. Even me right now being pregnant, I feel so annoying. Like I'm like, just don't, just forget about this. Like, don't care to me. Like, I'm just like, just don't worry about me. Everything fine. And so, yeah, I do think the third is a little anti-claim. We were, like, how's Blake going to respond? How's Blake going to react? We were all like, what is he's going to just be? I was like, he's just going to go, oh, wow. That's Exactly what he did. No way.

I think he gave me a hug, though. I think he got up and gave you a hug. That means a lot. Physical touch needs a lot from him. Physical touch. She doesn't offer that often. No. I really love that.

I think Caleb noticed, because Griffin and, well, Augie was wearing a shirt that's a middle brother. Middle child energy. And Caleb goes, look at the shirt. Look at the shirt. Look at the shirt. Because he goes, why are you fit?

Why are you recording? Yeah, they're pregnant. He's so. So quick. He was quick. I'm like, oh my gosh. Goodness a sec to figure it out.

Like, I want to do the game. Let me do the math. Let me do the math. Oh, it's so fun. But yeah, I do feel like it is a little anticlimactic,

which is fine. Like I'm like, I think the sympathy wears out too. My sympathy for myself wears out too. I'm like, it's time. You just got it.

You have two other kids to care for. Like, it's so so exciting. For myself. Like, like for pity for being pregnant? Yeah. Like, it's like, I feel like the first time it's like, oh,

let me get you, comfortable let me get you a snack and then second time it's like you have another candy care for so it's like you got to get you're going you got to get you with two other kids it's like giddy up like you signed up you knew what you're doing saddle up baby you signed up again which that's how I feel I'm like I knew exactly what I was doing it so I'm not going to sit here and pit for me feel more daunting the third time no it doesn't it doesn't feel more daunting well let me know how that second wind is okay we'll see I will have been most exhausted this pretty I can see.

And it's so funny, I try to swim to the kids. I'm like, Mommy's really tired. They don't care. They're like, we don't know that. We're like to swim. We're going to go swim. Get in the pool. That's what they do in the morning.

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And get your kids the full-body nourishment they need to grow into healthy adults. It's weird to me that for a while, I will have the youngest baby in the family. Even, like, isn't that weird? Yeah. Like, doesn't that feel kind of weird? That is weird to think about, oldest and youngest. I guess Algae has been the youngest for a while, but it'll be more dramatic this time. Yeah.

But, yeah, it is funny to me. That is interesting. I love that anytime we're all in the room together, like, when we're with your mom or, like, at dinner, it's all of us. And then we're like, Lori, you're the only non-pregnant woman here. I don't feel pregnant because I'm like, just don't even focus about me. But, yeah, I think my mom's, like, so excited about all the babies. Like, she is just, she's like, we're going to have a girl. grandma's day, including everyone's mom.

She's like, we're all just going to do, like, have a brunch. And I looked on the calendar, there is a date that overlaps where Teresa is going to be here and potentially Ruth and my mom. Yeah, my mom, that's my mom's trying to do something. Your mom's, like, going to play a brunch or something. That's so cute. And honestly, that was the first time I heard my mom use the word grandma. We were referenced to herself.

I actually, okay, so my kids call my parents Honey and Gaw. I don't know if we've ever really said that. but they call him honey and gaw gaw was not chosen in case you're wondering because you wish of that sometimes I always say give it to gaw and it sounds like give it to gau

it's like this weird like phrase that we're saying or like it's not a phrase Griffin just called him that because he was like one and then it just stuck but it's funny because now it's like he's stuck with his name gaw which is hilarious

I asked griffin the other day I was like how is gaw like relate i think how is like how who is he how is he related like i or like how does he fit in our family or something like that and he said grandpa so he does know so i was like that's reassuring to me so he's not going to go to school and like tell kids that he has a gaw yeah like you're grandpa that's weird i'm gonna go on a honey yeah and a honey so i'm like least they know i wonder is that what are like your parents right now they're both pa pa and grandma okay yeah which i think my dad will eventually switch to grandpa and we'll keep Caleb and Matt's dad as Papa. Yeah.

I like that. Grandpa. Yeah. And then they'll both be grandma. Yeah, which I haven't figured out how to differentiate that. I guess Grandma, Teresa, and Grandma Ruthie. Yeah. Yeah. We used to call our grandmas, based on where they live. So we'd say Grandma and Arkansas and Grandma in Warrensburg. Grandma, Arkansas, Grandma, Warrensburg. We called them by their last name. It was like Grandma, Bismal and Grandma Budaphafer. Yeah, we did too. That makes sense, yeah. Yeah, Grandma You and Grandma. I think my parents are just going to be Grandma and Grandpa. I want to be Grandma. I've already thought about it. I actually cried about the fact that I'm going to be a grandparent with Matt. I was like, it's cool that we're your parents, but what's really cool is that we're probably

going to be grandparents. Are you pregnant again? Are you crying again? I'm not, you guys. That's why I don't think I'm pregnant. One night I did, you know what got me. It's always these videos of kids growing up. It's so rude because I'm already someone that is like deeply nostalgic.

Like me and nostalgia, like that emotion on Inside Out too, I was like her, the little granny. I'm like, that's a huge emotion that I feel all that. and so they laid out I've seen a lot of moms do this I literally showed Matt this video had 20 likes yeah 20 likes

I'm like why I'm getting micro targeted for these videos and later on the toy story toys and then the same like I could cry right now to infinity no and beyond

and that's the in the up song that dun dun da da we're getting different that's the up song oh okay but it was really the title

on it, it said, here he comes, world. Please be kind to him. I want to cry. I started bawling at, I think I showed you that baseball with like the senior night. Oh, that was sweet. I couldn't stop sobbing. It was these kids, it was their

senior night of baseball and they had I'll cry with you. I'm not there yet. They had these senior boys go up to hit a home run or hit a ball tossed by their dad with a letter being read to them that their parents wrote over the sound speaker and then as they run around the bases for the last time

they run home to their... Oh, stop! I didn't know this video. That's so sweet. No, I can't. It's rude. It would be rude. It would be rude. No, that's my thing. It's that type of stuff like kids growing up and then also anything that shows two brothers. Like, have you seen that video? I get targeted with this clip,

same clip all the time. It's apparently a tradition in Brazil for the first slice of birthday cake to go to the... the person that you love the most and there's like this probably six year old boy he ends a slice to his like three year old brother and his little brother starts crying and hugging him and it's so sweet and I cry every time and so I'm like I haven't been that emotional but here's the thing I am already emotional so I feel like I would have cried at those videos anyway sure but then Matt uses that he's like he's like you're pregnant he's like his high know because I see on the couch like crying watching videos and I was like I would have done this anyway like I don't feel I feel like I felt

like rollercoastery with my emotions both times I don't know if it's because I'm in therapy now that could be it we love matured we're good I'm working on emotional regulation let's just lay out my goals in therapy well also you were pregnant and postpartum at the same time I told Matt that because I was I keep telling him like every day which I don't know I didn't expect to feel this way with my third pregnancy every day I'm like am I pregnant Matt because something like I'm I have dark dreams sometimes like think that like it's weird like I've never felt like Am I pregnant? But then I'm also like, it's because I don't feel symptoms.

Like I did the other two times. Like, I literally took a pregnancy test this week. I'm like 11 weeks. That's weird. You had your ultrasound as week. I had a sonogram I could just look at and refer to. But, um, or the time out? Your emotions being regulated.

Oh, I said maybe I felt so bad the last pregnancy because I was four months postpartum and nursing the whole time and had a baby. Like that's kind of like, that was a tough thing to do. And so it makes sense that my body was feeling worse than now, but also every pregnancy is so different, too. And it's just, I forget that because Griffin and Augie, I felt so similar for. But yeah, you never know what, I feel like pregnancy, birth, they just want to throw curveballs at you all the time, babies. Yeah. And that being like your first experience of, like, having a baby and then immediately getting pregnant afterwards was your only experience with it.

And now it's like, you're going to have two kids already for this next time. But like, if you had like Griffin and Augie and then got pregnant, really quickly afterwards you'd be like oh this is different like I understand yeah I could compare it that's all I had didn't have a comparison yeah I feel pretty confident that that's not gonna happen that's time either like I'm like I feel like we're gonna not do that make sure that that does not happen I think that's something that you really only do once but I don't want to like wait sorry you only do what oh yeah on planned pregnancy one time I don't I don't want to say that that will never happen to me again I'm sweating my armpits thinking about it I'm actually

that's stressful I just said to Addie before we came in here I was like can you imagine not being nine months pregnant and in three months finding how you're pregnant again. I can't even imagine it. I think we're going to all the time with you. With me? Yeah, like, because for me already, I'm like, uh, no, because I just, I'm so excited to have my body back. It was, it was pure delusion. And then I can't, I don't even know what the birth experience is like. So adding that on top of it. Oh, I had a double hernia of her parents. Yeah, that's just so insane. Well, that's also, that's so crazy. No, but here's the thing about it is that you literally, this will be, you'll find this in another way, not the same way, but.

you literally do what you have to do you do what you have to do you like you whatever you're given you will get through it yeah and so it was I was literally never an option to ever like yeah never mind like yeah it was like okay so I don't don't feel like there's ever a point that was like particularly overwhelming except for the second I found out yeah and then I was kind of like after that I was like it ease but it's go time like there's like an instinct that kicks in when she asked like that question it brought me back to I haven't necessarily liked when people have said like, oh, you definitely don't want to have a C-section because the recovery is so much harder to me personally because I'd never given birth. So I wouldn't

know that that's harder. And so like when people were saying that, I was like, this isn't, that's not helpful to know because I wouldn't know the difference. But going, like, thinking about it now and being like the fact that I'm so excited to get, be able to move my body again, but then if I had a C-section, it would take definitely a lot, a little bit longer to be able to like bend down and do those like normal things. I'm like, oh, okay, I can start to figure out how that would be harder. I just wasn't at that point when people were telling you that thing. Well, you know, some people do accidentally say things that.

Did you say that? Is that why you're saying? No, I didn't. Did I say that? No, I don't think so, you did. Oh, because I was like, I sure hope not. No, no. When I was going through the process of, like, potentially having to have a C-section, she was transverse for a little bit. Like, you were so great to talk to about during that process. Thank you. I think that's very nice.

We should talk about that a little bit if you want to. But, yeah, I was working out with someone the other day, and she was like, I'm someone that had a scheduled C-section and will likely be having another one and she was talking about she's like, yeah, it's really important to work out because she was such a nice lady too and I was not offended at all, but I was

like, this is just a reminder because I'm sure I've said things where I'm like, okay, if I would have known the company I was in better, I wouldn't have said that. Like I definitely have done this too, but then she was like, yeah, it's really important to work out when you're pregnant because some moms just get, they're not in shape enough and they just get too tired when they're in labor

and they have to have a C-section. That's a crazy claim. And I was like, yeah, those lazy moms. I was like, yeah, I literally didn't. I would never like want anyone to feel awkward, especially because I'm just so on the side. I think I've learned this recently. I'm just so on the side of like, I'm just going to assume the best possible intent from people and like or even just like they just didn't know and I'm not going to choose to get offended.

I feel like that's a personal choice. I'm learning like to get offended is a personal choice. And so I was like, I'm not. going to get offended but it was so funny because I was like what if I said right there I was like yeah I had a C-section I couldn't quite cut it like crazy because you pushed also so hard like it's just so funny that you had to have a C-section it's just so funny that that was like that's in her mind like you have C-sections because you are not fit enough to deliver me yeah not that there's other complications you know what people like that exist and believe that and she has

kids too so i'm like that's it's so funny things people say one of my neighbors every time she sees me she goes oh my goodness you're looking so big that baby's got to be so big and she's like what is it like a nine-pound baby i'm like oh she's in the 18th percentile i actually love comments like that i'm like that's actually so validating i do feel huge i am a hippo thank you for saying that i do that it's warranted that's crazy that she's saying that to you because i'm like you're so small. In my own opinion, and I could have, I could be delusional right now. I'm like, I don't feel like I look that big. No, you look great. Yeah, there is a certain delusion that doesn't, not with you, but like with me. And I look back, I was like, I felt so skinny at that point.

I didn't. And I'm like, I literally, that's the thing about it is that like my face would get so puffy and my nose so huge at that point. Like, it's a protection thing. I was like, I thought my face looked normal and, in fact, beautiful. You were beautiful. You were. And I'm just out here making videos and I look back at those like thumbnails too and I'm like, oh my gosh, she was that. All I see is just neck and no jaw. Today I put this dress on and I look like Humpty Dumpty. Cheeks filling the whole frame.

I know, I love it. I felt so skinny after birth. I was like, ooh. Look out. No, but it's really, oh. You put those biker shorts on for the first time and you're just feeling snatched. Yeah, I feel so skinny. Surely my clothes will fit in.

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Talk it out with BetterHelp. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at BetterHelp.com slash unplanned podcast. That's BetterH-E-L-P dot com slash. planned podcast. Okay, so Addie, you kind of brought this up a little bit, but talk about the time where they were like telling you that Brielle wasn't in the best position. Yeah. How you felt. Yeah, it was like really, I had noticed for a while that it felt like she was sideways in my belly just because like, she would stick out. Like it would be, I don't know, like the McDonald's sign. Like it would look like that. Like head on one side, butt on the other. Yeah, literally. And so I was like kind of

nervous about it. So when we went into our 32 week appointment and she's like, okay, let me feel. And She's like, I don't feel a head down there. And I was like, okay, cool. Cool. She's like, don't worry about it until, like, we go, you have your growth scan. And I was like, okay, I'm really worried about it. And so, because I, I've said this on the podcast, and I've told you guys before that I was like, whatever happens, happens. I don't really have a plan.

Like, if she comes naturally, great. If she comes C-section, great, I didn't really care. And as, like, you progress through the pregnancy, you're like, doing this naturally would be great. Like, well, not naturally. But vaginally would be great. Like, that's what I would really want. like, I'm envisioning that of what the delivery is going to look like. And so when they told me she was transverse, I was like, okay, so now there's a high potential

at type of C-section. And they're like, she can still flip, but I'm like, no, there's no way. She's going to do that. And so we got in the car and I just start bawling because I'm like grieving, grieve seems like a strong word, but like what that could have been, like a vaginal delivery and like envisioning her coming out and getting set on my chest and just being able to be present for some reason. with a C-section. It scared me that I wouldn't be able to, like, touch her if my arms were down or, like, hold her right away. She'd get taken out of the room, all the things. And so it was really,

like, hard for me to process. And it was interesting to watch Blake and that, like, try and support me through it because he's like, she's healthy. I'm like, I'm so happy she's healthy, but also I'm trying to process what this would look like to, like, do it differently with a C-section. I talked to a couple of people about it, like, sat down with you, because I just wanted to start processing if I did have a C-section what that would look like instead of just wishing it away and be like, no, she's going to flip. She's going to flip and never thinking about it. I got to a point where I was like, there are some benefits that I would like personally as a type person that I'm like, this is when she would be born. And I can plan for it. And we can make sure

family is here on the day she's born and getting to like actually have the schedule and do those things. And so then I was like, okay, I'm starting to feel a lot better about that situation. And then we went into her girl scan and she flipped and she was head down and so then it kind of like pushed all that away but it was nice to have like you've had a C-section you've had a C-section like having people around me that I'm like they were fine it's normal it's okay you're not cheating birth you're not doing anything different it's just the way that like the birth happens and so I think it was good to have like support but then it was also learning how people talk about C-sections during that period of time too of like sometimes people do say things that they shouldn't say to people when

there in that period of time was kind of interesting too. Yeah, I get that a lot. Yeah, I feel that. They're like, no, you're not going to do it. You don't have to, you're not going to get a C-section. I'm like, no, no, no, I need you to help me process the fact that I might get a C-section so that I'm okay if that happens instead of like being really, really, really disappointed. Yeah. And so just having the support in a different way during that time. I think you can be supportive and be like, no, she could totally flip. Like, that's definitely a possibility, but let's make sure you're mentally prepared in case it doesn't happen that way. And I think that was like really healthy for me to do. because I clearly broke down the second I thought I was going to have a C-section.

So now it's like a little bit different. I feel like you dealt with that too after C.J.2 just kind of like, correct me if I'm wrong. But the least plan, like I'm not a planner. I didn't plan my birth at all. But even me, I had like preconceived ideas I didn't realize I had until things didn't align. And I was like, oh, just it hadn't go wrong for me to realize I had some, I had a plan for going right in my head. You had more of some of that with C.J. too.

Totally. Yeah, I was the same going in. I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just going to go with the flow and see how it goes. I don't have, you know, just want the baby to come out healthy and everyone be safe. So, yeah, I felt the same way. When things started to shift then during labor and I've been pushing for a long time and then you got sick, I had to go to the C-section, the deflate that I fell inside was extremely

devastating. And then I felt afterwards, I felt a lot of rage because I didn't really have time in the moment to process anything. Like, I felt like I was almost like I was cheating myself. Like, no, I can do it. I can do it. And then having to be the one to say, like, now I actually have to do this other way. It felt very hard to make that decision in the moment.

So it's really healthy. Even if you're not, I don't know, maybe even just before labor, just processing, what would that look like if my doctors came in and said, hey, things have taken a turn and you have to have a C-section for safety? Like, you know, I think it would probably be healthy to process that before. I've been trying to do that too this time. Like, okay, I'm going in for V-back. What if the doctors come in and say, hey, it's not working for you?

You know, how would I feel in those moments and trying to, like, pre-feel that. So I think it's good that and healthy that you've been processing that. I have a question for like an emergency C-section. Like you had, how quickly is it when you're, and tell me if this is too much, like you're pushing and they're like, oh no, we got to, we got to change direction. Like, how long does that take? Well, her's technically wasn't emergency.

It technically wasn't. It was and it wasn't. Like the situation was emergent. Like they're like, you cannot push anymore. We highly like don't recommend that you keep pushing. It's been three and a half hours. you have an infection, baby's heart rate is decelerating. But when I would stop pushing, things kind of like calmed.

So there was about 30 minutes there. I felt like it took forever. I was like, do the thing. Like, especially since you'd already decided. Yeah. It was like, I feel like that's kind of uncommon, but maybe I'm wrong. Yeah. So it wasn't, I feel like it was only 30 minutes.

I think it was only 30 minutes. Yeah, because I was in excruciating pain because his head was so low. Yeah. I had seen his head the whole time. I had a mirror so I could see how low he was. Like, I saw the top of it. of his head for about an hour and a half so he's there in my birth canal and then i had to lay on my side it was the most that was really super painful yeah because he was right there like get him out

but then it made him it hard getting him out the other way yeah because he was so low low yeah um but yeah it technically wasn't emergent like i wasn't rushed back there okay because i was wondering because i think they can do it fast though they could when we were at the hospital i think they had said like they this is where the oar is if you're having an emergency C section and we can get you there within 45 seconds 45 seconds of 60 seconds and I was like that's so cool wow that's I that makes sense it's a baby's really in distress you need to do that so quickly but I was like that's so fast yeah it'll be kind of interesting this time since I'm going for a V-back which is a vaginal birth after satirian there are just different risks that come with that and there is kind of like a

I was talking to my doctor about it I want to delay my epidural as long as I can keep moving during labor. But also there's this risk where if you have to get rushed into an emergency C-section and you don't have an epidural, they have to put you under general anesthesia and you're asleep for the birth because they don't have enough time if something happens like your uterine ruptures or things like that, which is extremely, extremely rare. But it is kind of playing to your decision of when you would get anesthesia or not. Or an epidural or not. So yeah, that's kind of like an interesting. That's definitely a decision. Like that's scary to like think about. I had a moment of fear a couple months ago at this point.

I felt really, really good for like half the pregnancy. And then I think once I hit the third trimester, I had that week of bad anxiety where I was just panicking about the thought of having a uterine rupture and all these complications. And in my head, I was like, I'm just the unlucky one. I'm the one that the bad things happened to in birth, apparently.

You know, like, the lies were getting to me. So I just had to be very intentional that week about praying and, like, processing those fears with community with you guys and friends. And I talked to a lot of people about it. And I felt way better after that. And my doctors were super positive. but I'm like, okay, if that happens, I had to just think about those things.

But I didn't have any more peace in my mind just scheduling a C-section. I just really want to try again. So I feel really confident in that. And my doctors are very supportive of it. But then it's like, okay, now I have to weigh the cost of, I don't know, just be aware of these things during birth and labor. Which I had a lot of anger about that. I'm like, oh, I'm just so annoyed. I'd have to think about these things.

Now, every time I want to have a baby and push it out, I have to think about these risks on my life or these baby's life you know yeah I feel like you might well it might not be but I'm like if you did have a successful one you'd feel more confident going into like the next one totally being able to do it successfully but then still being like still could have a C-section you know even with the with the next one and honestly it's like even if I have a failed feedback and I just have to have a C-section and it's not a big deal I think I would accept that I think it'd be easier for me to accept okay my next babies would be C-sections but this time it felt like oh I think I can try things differently before to maybe try to have a different outcome so I want to at least try I feel

very positive for you. I really do. I will say that's one thing. I think everyone is very positive to each other, but I think that's something I've really noticed like throughout my pregnancy and like your guys and just like our community, which I guess everyone is, but I'm just never noticed how positive we are to each other that we're going to like have things successfully the way we want to. Like we're just, I know that you're, I just know that you're going to have a great delivery. Like that's what you both have said and I'm like, they're just so being like nice to say that, but also it would be really weird to be like, I don't know. I'm not. I'm not feeling like it's going to go well for you

I also just like someone that just has I trust my gut a lot I trust my gut way more than I probably should I've been a total optimist you've been right I also am an argument well here's the thing is you guys telling me that I'm like they think it's going to go well so it's going to go well I just think it's going to be well

yeah I think maybe it's just people online that are always like the negative side of things you know definitely okay I will be honest I feel that poll sometimes where you feel a little bit of jealousy like you had like your I'll be honest like that I I don't ever want to acknowledge this part about myself but sometimes I feel it when people have like a dreamy birth experience I feel myself being like like I had to acknowledge that like I'm just like that's so ugly I never want to be that person so it just

I had to like acknowledge it in myself I literally told Matt one day I was like sometimes when people have a positive happy amazing birth experience I just I feel it's the feeling was competitive And I was like, that's because I associated the outcome of birth with, like, some type of achievement, like a personal achievement, rather than it's like just this thing that happens. It's a medical thing that happens with you and your baby and your anatomy. And there's just a bunch of things aligning. And it was like, it was like so much of my pride was tied up in the outcome of how my baby exited my body. And then when I finally was like, you know what? There's a lot of factors that actually have nothing to do with my abilities as a person.

as a woman has like there's just so many things tied up and so many emotions and like pride attached to this and I think when I acknowledged that in myself I was like okay I can actually have freedom from this now like it's actually like you can have an amazing experience I can mine can look differently and it's like it's actually all fine and it's not it's not it's like some like great I'm going to get on a report card like I've been giving me some conviction no I'm not trying to What I had what I'm feeling? No, I think it's also important.

I think it can happen, though. And I think it happens both ways, too. Like, if you have a really great bird's experience, you're thinking in your head. Which I don't think that this is necessarily wrong with, like, I did everything right. I did it. Yes. Like, I must be really tough and really strong. And I'm actually going to get bonus points if I don't do an epidural.

Yeah. And I don't get, like, you kind of start to think these things. Yeah. And it's like weird because I'm like, I don't want to feel that way. I would never voice this out loud. I would never. But then I was like, when I was like, when I told Matt, I feel like her husbands are like the safest person because they don't understand

because they can't, they're a man, they, they don't understand the way that this is just so attached identity in a way, like especially womenhood, like femininity, it can be attached. And so I was like, I have to just say this because I'm like, it's just brewing in me. Like whenever someone has like this great worth experience, especially if it's like unmedicated and they just like did it, I feel kind of like bitter. And I was like, oh, that felt so good to say. I was like, oh, for you. But it's always once you say it, then you can start processing and being like, okay, I know

I shouldn't have been feeling this way. Because I was pushing it down. I was like, I don't want to feel that way. That's so wrong. Like, that is so wrong. And like, it doesn't make that not wrong to think that. But like, I think acknowledging I was like, okay, I can work through this now. Like, I can just like start to like actually like, hey, that's not a, that's not

kind of friend I want to be to people. That's not how I want to also view myself. Like, I don't want to equate my own, like, worse. like with how my birth like it sounds so dumb to say but it happened to me it was weird dang abby i'm gonna confess i'm gonna confess i don't feel bitter when other people have great positive birth experiences but i think i probably do have some pride being like oh i can do it i know i can do it well that's good you gotta have some grit in labor no i have grit but i think there's pride where it's like oh i'm not gonna lose you know what i mean it's like a win and a lose yeah and i thought last

time I lost. And so now it's like, oh, okay, I'm going to pray about that one. Yeah. I felt like I kind of just like sat down and took a loss with the last one. I'm like, I didn't even try. I feel like it's really important that people who do have like good experiences to share those too. I feel like sometimes. Totally. Okay, this is, it's a very sensitive area for a lot of people and I know people want to be very sensitive on how they talk about their birth and how they talk about their experiences because other people have very hard times with it. But we also need to hear the good stories, because I do feel like most people I've talked to are people with negative experiences. I feel like most people don't brag about having a good birth experience. Most of

people do talk about how poorly it went for them. See, I feel the opposite because I was looking at through my lens. Yeah, maybe that's what it is. I have, I can think of maybe one or two people who have had a positive experience, not like positive as in like it was how they had planned for it to go. And I think that's like, I'm like, oh, okay, so my odds are stacked again. me for this to go this way as planned, you know? That's interesting. But I don't know if that's just because I haven't had a birth yet. I haven't had those experiences. So the way I'm viewing what other people are saying is different than like once you've had a kid. I think I know so many people that have had positive. Maybe I'm surrounded by all of you guys who have had bad ones.

Your family is bad company. I told myself, I said, I got to be a one that's got a good one. We got to have one of the three. I feel bad that you view mine as a bad one because I don't view it that way. Bad, I think just like, you had, you had complications with that. And that's, that's more of the, not bad, bad and good is not the right terms. I would just say, like, complications. I actually had to tell Matt that I was like, the way you talk about Griffin's birth makes me feel scared. I didn't feel scared and I lived it at that moment.

Like I didn't, like, I was like, he's like, it was so much blood. Like, which actually kind of makes me like, I want to talk about the husbands going into this. Like, how do we think the men are going to do becoming a dad for the first time, becoming a dad of two? I'm excited to see. I know Blake is terrified about the birth experience. He's like, I just want the baby here. Like, he's... He's more on the anxious side of the place.

Yeah, he's like my dad. Like, he's like... Well, I think also they like can't really do anything. So then they're just like, I want to be able... Because men love to fix things. That's just the stereotype. And so when there's nothing they can do to fix anything, like tangibly, I think they just feel like defeated a little bit.

But once she's here, I'll be like, okay, I can hold her. I can feed her. I can change her. type or like those types of things i'm so excited to see him like support me because i feel like you don't really get that until something like this like we haven't had a major thing happen in our life where i really need blakes like physical support there for me other than like small things so i'm excited to see how he kind of just shows up during that time the closer and closer it gets he's starting to like process the fact that like he's gonna need more time off work or like

doing those things yeah blick said he was gonna take a couple days off two days Two days. But you got talked about Caleb didn't take a ton off. But now, like, all I think all of his co-workers, yes, Blake can work from home. And he just started a new job so he doesn't want to, like, take advantage or use all of this. Should we shout them out right now? Shout out to the husband and wife's law team. They've been awesome.

They've been awesome. Him getting this job and the timing and everything. They got him, like, all these baby gifts. And he's only worked for them for, like, three weeks now. And just him getting to experience a positive work environment. And they love him. He loves a job. job like it's just so sweet to see and so that there every day he sent something he sent

they like hit a goal of theirs and he like sent a screenshot and everyone was like I thought this was going to be a baby announcement they're like please but that's also great things oh that's sweet and so everyone is telling him that like they'll make it work as long as he needs to work from home he can and they'll work with him and so I think it's making him think oh all these people are parents and understand know that I'm going to need more time at at home during that period of time and so if he can you know obviously that's not everyone's probably going a couple days a week i mean my mom's going to be here too but i feel like during that time it's i'm going to be like i won't like how much interaction do you want me to have let's just let's just

hash this out right now because i'll be there honestly as much as you want i don't believe you i don't think i'm going to be the person i'm going to be the person that people come and drop stuff off and i'm like no come inside like come meet the baby too i know it's exciting for you too That's, like, how I think I'm going to feel? How will you tell me? Like, how about you just send me an emoji if it's like, please, send me the bagel emoji? Bagel. I feel like you'll be pretty blunt about it.

I think I will. I'm the one person I know I can be, like, the most blunt with is my mom, which I need to work on, too, of, like, being nicer to her, too. I've talked about it. It's a conviction. I'm working on it. She knows, too. I tell her, too.

So she's aware that I'm aware. She's aware that I'm aware. But I think she's the one person I can. be like, I don't want you around right now. Like, could you please leave? Like, or I need you to do this and I can tell her to do it. I think I'm going to want maybe like groups of people there at a time where I'm like, you guys can be there or you can be there. I feel like having like all of my family there and then also other people and trying to host is where it's going to feel like too much versus if like one or two people are there. And then I'm not hosting. I'm like, y'all are

either cleaning something or holding the baby and I'm just hanging out. Like that's what I feel like I'm to feel, we'll see. I definitely want you guys so involved. Don't bring Griffin and all you. Oh, yes, please bring Griffin. You mean that? Yes. Okay, I said I wasn't going to bring them and then my mom goes, I think she wants them. I'm like, Mom, I don't think she'd. I want them in the hospital. Okay, I'm glad we're getting this. No, I'm kidding. I want. Everyone knows I asked. Everyone knows I asked. This is the first time she's asked. You're not going to know how you feel though. Like, no, I think I'm, I, they are so excited too. Like Griffin totally understands like that Brielle is coming and

there's a baby in my belly and so like I'm so excited to see their reactions and to see them interact with her so yes I want you guys I want you both to come to the hospital I want your kids to both come to the hospital baby out come to the hospital yes well yeah baby out you can come in the way in the way you can come in the baby in too if you want to hang if I'm in labor for a while you can there's no visitor you can come any time of day during that I don't know how I'm feel I'll see how I'm going I was Blake might need some girl support I'd like to take a break But I think I'm definitely going to want

You guys around during that time There's surely going to be times Where I'm going to want to get out of my house And I'm like, can I just come over with Briel You know and do that too You guys are planning like swim lessons for the kids And I'm like can I just come with Briel Like obviously she's not going to be in swim lessons

Like can I just come sit with her Sit on the couch Yeah, sit on the couch and watch a kid swim Seeing Griffin's reaction to like your pregnancy with Briel Made me certain that I do want to find out the gender of this baby Because I was like He is so like locked in on Breel and like

as being part of the family like he literally told me the day he's like that's gonna be Breel's room I'm like she's actually not gonna live with us like that is like he talks about her all the time and like he like knows like baby girl she's coming she's gonna live with Addie and Coco and be my cousin like he's really

wrapped his head around it more like I think Augie is kind of there but like really for Griffin I was like I want to be able to like have a name for this baby and then be able to know like brother or sister because I feel like he can really conceptualize this. Yeah. I think she's like a person. See like how much he's conceptualized it. And so I'm so excited for him to do it like baby food. You were looking at stuffed animals because he's all

of a sudden into stuffed animals, which is so funny because he never cared about them. And then now Matt, he's like sleeping in his big bed. He's like, I need these. And he was like, we were looking at it. I was like, oh, I said you've had this one since your baby. You want to sleep. But then he goes, maybe for Brio. Like he wants to give it to her. Like he's like really wrapping his head around this. So I think that's because I was like, Matt, we could not find out. since we both don't care. He was like, no. And then I was like, actually, I think it would be good for Griffin.

Yeah, it would be good for him to like start preparing and like understanding. Start conceptualizing. But I also feel like we've been talking about it way too much to her. Because I'm like, February is like 10 years in his brain right now. Like, what am I doing bringing it up to him all of February? I'm like, do you think it's the brother or sister? And then he's always like, maybe check. Like he doesn't want to guess.

That's how he said that. Maybe check? Maybe check? No, he will never guess. Oh. He says that he wants a sister, but he will never guess because he literally is like, I think that he's kind of let toddler like very literal. Like he's like, I'm not going to guess. She's like, he always says, maybe check.

We'll ask him tonight and see what he says. He always says, maybe check. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. Yeah, but Abby, you're going to be surprised. I am. Abby, be honest. Would you feel gender disappointment if you had another boy? No, I was just talking to Kielb about this.

And I think if, because I've always wanted her. girl and I was not disappointed at all this you day I was so excited to have a little boy I was like oh my gosh it's so great but then with the second I think if I had found out 20 weeks I maybe would have felt a little bit at the beginning of a little bit gender disappointment if it was a little boy because you know you just have the expectations or the hope like oh maybe this pregnancy will be different like maybe we'll have another gender to like experience but because we're waiting until birth the minute you meet your baby you could literally care less you're like this is the most amazing little boy or a little girl I've ever seen in my life like I don't

you're just so excited and immediately you're like this is our family and so because it's so immediate you don't have time to be disappointed yeah so no well then i misread you after cj because you were like i'm gonna have to find out next time because i was like i think i did say that yeah you did say that i'm a hypocrite sometimes well because i thought you felt a little disappointment so then you were like i need to find out next time so i don't feel this no i didn't feel disappointed that cj was a boy i felt like oh okay there's one pregnancy down my odds are getting smaller of having a girl Like with every pregnancy That I would have a boy

No I just felt the pressure Yeah I'm like Okay pressure's on next pregnancy Yeah You know what I mean But I there have been so many things This pregnancy that I very strongly feel That this baby is a girl

So that if this baby is a boy The excitement and the shock Will be so crazy Like it'll be the craziest surprise That it'll be so fun Like I'll be so excited if it's a little boy Now we don't have a name Either way

We have a girl name picked out we're like so convinced this baby's a girl and if the baby comes out to be a boy it's going to be like oh my god rock your world yeah it's gonna be hilarious it's gonna be so fun so yeah did the doctor slip up on the gender yes

but I don't know they said it both ways they did it again no they said it both ways was CJ yeah but this baby they said both ways too oh okay what was the first way they said I'm not gonna say it was girl because that's why she's so confident she told somebody else she told one of our other friends

shoot I need to keep my lips locked Well, so the ultrasound tech said kind of early, like, oh, she, but then later was like, okay, I'm looking at, like, how does close her eyes because she was looking at the biological or, you know, the parts on there. She was like, close your eyes. I'm going to do gender confirmation now. So, I don't know. I'm like, did she just say that because she was filling in the blank? Because I know a lot of people that that's happened to, too. I guess hip is a thing.

I was going to say, I'm going to ask the ultrasound tech, but she wouldn't tell me. That would be crazy. Oh, yeah, because we're going to same OB. Yeah, yeah, that'd be hilarious. She's like, oh, yeah, it's a... Yeah, she just tells me, she's like, maybe look a bad file. Maybe I'll have a lawsuit, and then I can make some money. Okay, I'll go for that.

Let's do it. Let's play with us together. Yeah, we'll see. This would be evidence in court. Shoot. Darn. That's funny. How do you think Caleb's going to adjust having to?

I think he'll do great. Yeah, he'll do great. I think he's pretty adaptable, which is good. He's just started saying things recently where he's like, oh my gosh, six weeks. Like, it's just kind of like, hitting it. Well, it's just kind of hitting me, too. You know, we always process that for the fact. And so he's like, oh, whoa, wait, six weeks.

His baby's going to be here six weeks. He's like, we've got to prepare. In my head, I keep telling him, I said, there's no, what do we need to, what do we need to prepare for? Yeah. In my head, I'm like, baby eats off the boob and sleeps in the bassinet by our bed. Maybe we'll come back and answer this question after you have the baby, and I'll tell you if it's been good or bad.

How do you think CJ is going to adjust to being an older brother? Oh, he's going to do so good. He's going to do so good. He's so excited. He keeps looking. This is another, like, weird thing. I've never asked him or told him, like, I'll be like, do you think you're going to have a baby brother, baby sister? And I have some of our friends that have a little girl, but do you think it's going to be like Daisy or like Augie?

Because he's only a small little baby boy. We know not small to the same age. But I'm like, a tiny little baby. You have a brother like Augie or a sister like Daisy. And every time he looks at an ultrasound or my belly, he says, baby sister. Aw. Yeah. And I'd be like, are you sure?

It could be a brother. And he says, no, every time. so he'll be shocked it's not scientific but to me I'm like okay it's a girl yeah that's so sweet

he's really sweet he's excited I love for a big girl they can be little best friends yeah they'll be best friends either way they for sure will be they'll be little hip buddies yeah yeah CJ always lifts my shirt and like says hi to baby and kiss his baby and he's

he loves like laying next to me and like talking to baby it's so sweet that is sweet yeah he's excited Griffin gave my stomach a kiss the other day and then Augie ran up and gave it a kiss. I don't think Agi necessarily knows what's going on, but he does give him a kiss. He does whatever Griffin does.

That's why when Griffin says sister, he says it back. Like he just does whatever. I'm like, he is just a little mirror of Griffin. That made me think of the other day. We were at ice cream and I asked Griffin, I said, do you think Wrigley or Rizzo's going to like real more? And he goes, maybe bite her. He's worried the dogs are going to bite her.

I was like, That's so sweet. Also, at ice cream, we went to us just talking about girlfriend constantly. We love Augie so much too. Like, but, oh, he came up and came. He can't talk as much. He was not going to wait. Like, he was just on top of me at the gym today, just rolling over me, giving me hugs.

I was like, I love you so much. He randomly will just get like so lovey. He was so lovey. Or randomly so violent. He goes both. Like, I'm like, can I have a kiss? He goes, p. But he's like laughing.

He's like not, it's weird. But as he's also just turned to. But at ice cream, we went to go wash Griffin's hands. And I asked Blake and Addy if they're, I was like, can you just keep an eye on Augie? And then Griffin comes back out the door and he goes, keep my brother safe. Oh. And then he comes back out. He said, did you keep my brother safe?

He doesn't trust you. Yeah, I know. My mom was there too. She got on her too. So seriously, he's like, keep my brother still. Yeah, he did. It was so sweet. He's so protected.

I'm like, Augie was chilling. He was just spilling. from everywhere. It was great. A kid hit Augie, too. By accident hit him something in the head and Griffin was asking why he was crying. I was like, because I was holding him. I was like, he accidentally got hit by like this kid's name and then

this girl came by like five or ten minutes later and he says, you hit my brother. Don't do it again. So, I've never once have like put those words into his mouth at all. Like he just had this fierce protector type of thing. And I feel like CJ could have that too, just like a little sweet protector i feel like he's gonna be so gentle and so sweet hopefully yeah he'll be sweet it's good to feel like you have like a role in a family like auggy too he has his own role he loves being the baby he he sees other babies says he's like baby baby he opposed himself he's like wants me to call him the baby

yeah i'm like yeah i'm like your mommy's baby and he like loves that it's so sweet whereas if i call griffin a baby he'd be like no i'm a big boy you would correct me auggy's like i'm a baby it'll be crazy to see how they when this baby comes in february augie'll be two and a half I mean, that's a big jump. He'll be much older. I mean, in all developmental ways. I feel like two to two and a half is huge. So it'll be crazy to see how they all are with them.

I know. Do you feel like Matt and you? We could all be having girls and then we would even the playing field. Oh my gosh, that'd be crazy. Why am I so certain I'm not having a girl? I know. You're a boy mom doing good at feels like that. I think it's a boy.

I would love a little girl. I would be so fun. I literally have no preference. But I would like, I would, I just don't feel like I can picture a girl. Which is so funny because you have a boy. you're like I can picture a girl so I'm like maybe this is true like maybe I am genuinely not going to have a because I cannot picture it. Matt had talked about you maybe finding out early like doing a podcast and I was like please I want to know I want you guys to do that Matt has gotten

so antsy I'm like what is it about the third that's making you like he's like if it's a girl I'm going to need to prepare what are you going to do it will be such a shift for your family yeah it'll be completely different totally it's so weird I can totally see another boy coming in. I can picture that so well. But I'm like, a girl would be so fun and exciting. And I feel like if I never have a girl, I don't know that disappointment's the right word, but I'm just like,

I would, because I've always thought that I would have all boys. But I feel like I'm like, it would be so fun to have like a girl, especially as an adult children. It'd be so fun to have like an adult daughter friend. Yes. Because you like kind of graduate to that point where you are friends with your kids. And I'm like, I don't know. I always think that. But then I'm like, I just can't picture, but I would love it.

I'm like in all areas, it'd be great. Like, I would love if it was all girls they just be little best friends i would love if we had two little girls and then you had a boy and then our girls pick on your boy yeah and then and then or if you both have boys and then real is just the center of attention any combo is great any combo is so great i love it i can see all of the above happening so fun yes they scheduled addie's induction for literally what was supposed to be yesterday right you were supposed to be yesterday i so when I was at the doctor on Monday, it was my 39-week appointment. I had talked about scheduling a 41-week induction. She had said, let's talk about it at your 39-week appointment so that we can get you on

the schedule because sometimes it takes a while to get on the schedule. It's like, cool. She was like asking my preference days. I was like a Thursday, a Friday or Saturday. Like those are in that order, the preference. I get a message on Wednesday that my induction is scheduled for the next day, as in yesterday, which would have been. Do like a several calls to get it off there. 39 weeks. And five days would have been my induction date. And I was like, I think this is wrong. I'm like sending messages and they're like not replying. So I call them.

And they're like, okay, we'll send a note over to them. I'm like, can someone just tell me that I don't have to come in tomorrow? Like I don't want to get in trouble if we're not coming in. I don't know. It's like, this is the hospital calling for pre-registration. Yeah, and the hospital called me for pre-registration. I was like, they said they were going to message you to cancel this. And she goes, oh, I did get a message one minute ago.

And then like, I go back to my portal. And it still says I have an appointment. And they're like, you got to go. I don't know why I was freaking out so much about it. No, it did feel like it was like you had to show up. Here's the thing. It was also tempting to be like, should I just go? You know, I'm like, I want to meet her so bad.

And then I'm like, no, let's wait. Let's wait till 41 weeks. And then we can go in, give her a whole other week to cook, see if she comes on her own. And so I got to change and they got me scheduled. So I'll have a 41 week induction. Either way, the likelihood that she will be here next week of this time is like so high. I know. I know.

Does that feel hard? That's so crazy. That, like, the waiting. period. The waiting period is so hard. It's such a weird period because technically you're waiting I mean the whole time but after like 38 weeks you're like okay they really could come any time technically and so I'm ready at that point because I'm a planner I always want to be like the bags are packed have been packed since 38 weeks and nothing's happened yet and also with like plans or people coming in town or family being here or like there's not a lot of pressure with like work stuff like you

are so flexible but I'm like I could have my baby today and not be working tomorrow but then my because I'm just like my brain is always on like what needs to be done and so I'm like how do you even prepare I think about that with teachers a lot too because they literally teach until they go in and I'm like they have to have subplans like ready probably that entire time for like whenever it could happen I'm like that's crazy that's how I feel I'm like nope I'm still here guys here's this message as she was teaching that's so crazy and so the waiting period It's so weird, but like what I realized today, being exactly 40 weeks today, I'm like, the likelihood of my baby, obviously she's going to come by Friday of next week, but coming

naturally this week versus the previous week is so much higher. And so it really now could be any day now. What do you think you're going to do differently this time post baby than you did last time? I haven't thought that much about postpartum, to be honest. I feel like I've been in my mindset has been labor. So I'll just text Caleb. yeah I feel like when I'm in the hospital and the babies I'm in my arms and it's like okay how do I plan for postpartum yeah well it's hard to also know like you're like there's a high change I could have a C-section

too and not like being able to plan for both of those at the same time I guess it's anyone but for you to yeah I mean I'm very fortunate and I don't have like I have flexible job hours is that my own hours I can do my own thing so it's not like I have to prepare like a you know take time off work and do all these things where it takes a little bit more proactive thinking I feel like I can kind of just go in and be like, oh, okay, what do I need in the moment? So I'm very fortunate in that way. And my mom's going to be here for seven weeks, which is awesome. So I'm like, it'll be great.

She'll be here to help. And yeah, so I don't know. Postpartum, I don't have a good answer for. But I feel like now is when I've been really trying to prepare differently. A lot of discussion in going for baby number three was a lot of discussion about postpartum. Because we were like, we can't do the same thing we did both times. We were like, okay, we don't want to repeat the same postpartum. Because we kind of just went through the motions for the first two because they were so close together.

did what we had and so like I think that's the only reason why we've spent so much time because we're like if this is something we're considering we need to like fully hash out everything where it wasn't like it was like a given that we were going to have more babies like it was like a full on discussion it wasn't like yeah I think you're like you're always going to have more and so I think that's just where it was like okay to proceed wisely what are we going to do the same what are we going to do different and like obviously we might change our mind on some those things but it's like it feels like it's hashed out in our minds a lot more vividly than the first two pregnancies, which is, yeah, interesting. What were you saying?

I feel like maybe that's my answer is that my challenge postpartum felt physical, and that was a side effect of the C-section. So in my mind, what I wanted to differently is not have a C-section. That's the difference. Yeah. My challenge was mental. Yes. And so I think that's my answer is like postpartum, hopefully I'm not recovering from a surgery. That's what I want to do differently. Yeah, I want to be careful because I know that like some people have terrible time recovery, but I was walking like going on walks seven days post C-Section you were crushing it well it wasn't like I was like it was anything I was doing I just I felt okay to do it so that should be a positive voice for like people that were like have C-sections like obviously the recovery can be I think you

have me tough either way but I didn't feel like this dramatic dramatic difference but everyone's different everyone's bodies are different everyone's like labor and delivery experience is different I felt totally like literally seven days I was like will they let me go to the gym? Like, they would not. I was so, because my mental health was so bad that I was like, let me get some endorphine. So I was like, please. I remember there was a video that you post online, you were skipping. And I was like, how the freak is she skipping? I don't remember, but I was even like 18 days before you postpartum. And you were skipping maybe like two or three weeks fresh out of your C-section. And I was like, I got to get outside and try a freaking skip.

Like, how is she doing that? I feel like I couldn't go on a walk. for at least six weeks. It took me six weeks to walk in my own. I was watching YouTube videos and watching on a treadmill trying to survive in my own brain. Oh my God. See, I was really like, I was like, can I jog? It's so great, yeah, everyone's so different.

But yeah, I think, yeah, the mental game for me postpartum is like that is the thing. And so that's why I felt like I could, because I'm like pain. I'm like, I can just take the medication. I didn't take the medication last time. So I'm like, this time I'm like, I'm going to take the medication. Like, I think I took, I took Tylenol and stuff.

No, you got to get the oxy. Yeah, I was like, why have an oxygen? that it was crazy well he that's the thing is if blake's anything like your dad then i'm gonna need you to come in and advocate the way that was the one who made that decision for me like i was like my dad's the same way your parents are the same way my dad's with medicine but i'm like i'm sorry but you are not a valid voice until you have delivered a baby via slice slice in your abdomen because my dad was like you don't want to take that abby he's like leaning over my shoulder and in my head my whole life just being like painkillers are terrible i understand there's a valid reason that that comes from but i'm

like sometimes for two days it's probably good two days like let me get over that hump let me get through because i remember that feeling this is something i'm not going to do again because that panic was what led to literally the worst night of my life was uh like i was in pain and i was like someone go pick i threw in the towel i was like someone go pick it up the pharmacy's closed for the night and it was 4 p.m. And I was like, okay, I have a night ahead of that. You already get the sundown scurries. I get the sundown scurries. Not everyone gets them. Where you're like, okay, it's like a, I have emotions tied with the sunset. I got sundown scurries when I was pregnant, like, not too long ago. What is that? I couldn't, I couldn't sleep. I'm so glad you don't get it.

It's so weird to explain, but it's like as dinner time and sunset starts, like, it's just like a wave of like anxiety and sadness. And it's like, oh gosh, like about to be a, another night like how am i going to do it's so weird and i get it both times and i'm so thankful that my mom was like next to me with griffin she's being like because i think she could feel it in me like i would just get really emotional like right at like 5 p.m. 5 30 carry on and it was like so weird because i was like i feel fine during the day even in the middle of the night i'm like even it's tough i'm not feeling this way it just felt like a dark cloud is the only way i know i'd explain it and it wasn't like permanent like i didn't feel like this the whole day was just literally at sundown

And so I remember we went with my grandparents, we went and watched the sunset. And literally at that point, I was like, I don't know if I can literally do this. Like it felt like, it felt like the craziest hurdle to get in my car to watch the sunset. I was like, something's up. And my mom was like, you know, like I felt this. And she was like trying to talk to me. I was like, okay, good. Because I feel like this is so weird.

Like, why is it this thing? And so I'm so glad I had her to like kind of like walk me through that. So then I didn't feel the same like panic with Augie because I was like, okay, it's going to go away. It's only for a period. like I can just do something but that's why I was like I didn't want to be alone when that happened so I remember like our whole family was literally and I'm talking about

like Matt's parents my parents like everybody was in our bedroom our bedroom watching Shark Tank like 430 I was like I just wanted everyone there because I was like it felt like less scary when everyone was around me but I know some people are different like with how they want to deal with their feelings but I was like I just want everyone to be around me because I feel like social I don't know it just kept me get me through it anyway what was I saying

Well, what are you going to do differently in postpartum? Oh, what I want to do differently? Oh, a lot of things, but I think I'm probably not going to say it on the podcast. Okay, you're going to take the medicine and not because I'm going to take the oxies. That's going to be the one that I'm going to put out there because I literally remember that feeling when I was having the sundown scarries of also being like, okay, this element of pain is on top of it and there's no relief from it. And so then once I got through that first night, I was like, okay, I'm going to go pick it up tomorrow. Like, that makes no sense in my brain. So then I just didn't, but I'm going to do it this time.

I'm super curious if that's something that I'll experience for like the sundown. scary because I had it for like a couple days whenever like Breil is awake in my belly from nine to midnight and I go to bed at 9 p.m. And so I can't fall asleep because she's just moving. And so like thinking about having to go to bed made me anxious because I was like, I'm not going to go to sleep. And so knowing that that affects me. And so I think that's, I think it might be something that I might experience because I was even just experiencing it during pregnancy. So I'm curious to see how that. I think it helps to get out of the house because sometimes you're house can well everyone's different right for me like postpart my house can feel like a prison so when

people were like judging me like you need to just stay home for 10 days you need to go I'm like my mental health can not stay home method or whatever like five days in bed five days around bed five days in the house sounds terrible some people love that and that's great it's like recovery can look different for everybody because like if you're recovering physically if that's your main challenge that makes a lot of sense but if your main challenge is mental oh my gosh like I was like please give out of this house. That's why I literally walked on a treadmill and watched YouTube videos because I was like, please help my brain right now. Because then now I feel, do feel more confident going into it knowing like, okay, this is probably going to be my main thing that I need

to struggle with. And I also know what I can get me out of it, which is, I hate this because I feel like mental health, obviously we talk about it so much now and it's become, wait, I think we've lost like a lot of the stigma around it. But for me still, I still feel like so dumb having to be like this is my main challenge is my brain afterwards like my own I can't even like convince myself that everything's fine when I know that it is it's just like so weird and I've never even been diagnosed with anything I've been totally honest on every single they do a lot of postpartum checkups on your mental health and I've never once like even raised alarm bells for anything I think everything I've had has been like within like a normal acceptable range but it still

feels like so like oh gosh I don't know about that but it's such a beautiful time too it's funny that like in the moment I'm like this is great and then on the other side I'm like okay that was so special and awesome and cool but it's like I almost needed hindsight to see that perspective on it like because it is such a fog yeah it is weird it's so weird it's crazy I'm so curious I'm so it's going to be so seamless I feel like it's going to be so seamless and if it's not it's also totally normal I feel like I have a good community of people here that I'm like if I'm struggling with anything I feel like I could be honest about it and I can talk to people about it and talk to people who have been through the experience or not even

have been through the experience but will still support me so I'm like even if you have a good that doesn't mean it's going to make it better but at least you have people to talk to you know oh it makes it a million times better you having my mom like you just because then you start to feel like loneliness and any problem is just a recipe for disaster and any conflict is just it takes community it takes like getting it out for it to become any kind of healing can start curious how that like is going to work with like Blake too because there's certain things that he just can't process the same way that I do about certain things like even the other night I got so upset and I started crying we got the bassinet out because we were trying to rearrange our room to have desks in it because he needed a desk to work from home so we had to take both our nightstands out but that means I have no nightstand but her bassinet's there but I have nowhere to put a lamp if I need a lamp next to me and I need stuff next to me and I can't and I was freaking out and I just started soft I had not sobbing. He's like, why are you? What? Stop. I'm like, I physically cannot stop sobbing right now. He's like, I don't know what to do. I'm like, I don't know what to do either, you know? And I'm like, I can't stop. I needed my mom.

You know, I needed my mom. I needed my, my, I needed women. Yeah, I needed my mom too. I needed my mom. Like, it's so crazy how like I had, I rely on Matt for literally 99.9.9% of everything. That point one percent. It's not that he, it was a an expectation that I couldn't place on him. I'm like, you don't know. And it's as much as he wants to try and is trying to try to meet my needs. It's like, I needed my mom. And I'm so grateful that my mom was present and was like so there both times I needed my mom. It was, even during labor when I saw my mom, I was like, oh, mom. Like, you know, you know. And it's just like, that doesn't mean you can cry too. Like that time, like I really needed my mom. People like to dog on their husbands. But it's like, yeah, they just, it's not even that they aren't trying. I was feeling anger towards him because he doesn't know.

And I'm like, what do I expect him to do? Give birth? Yeah. Exactly. They'll never be able to know. Yeah. And it's not to their detriment. It's just like it is what it is.

Or like nursing. I was like, you want to do this right now for a second here? Like I was like, you can't. You literally can't. There was no winning in that situation. Have you noticed a change in Caleb? I'm curious from this pregnancy to the last pregnancy. Yeah, he's more at peace.

Matt is too. Like so much more. And like any little change, he's like, excited about and he like notices more. Whereas before I kind of felt like I was like trying to tell him like, oh, this is happening or like this is like different. Like, and I feel like now he's like, like, I notice a little bump. It's so cute. Or like things like that where I'm like I felt like I was like, do I have like I was like trying to draw his attention to things. He's way more attuned this time. Yes. Than ever before. Yeah, I would agree. Yeah. Yeah. It's fun to see that. It's sweet.

Yeah. I'm sure Blake will be that way because he's so anxious like during this pregnancy. And so I feel Once he sees that things can go fine, like he'll be, definitely be like that. And there's just such a fear, I feel like, like we have these nine months, our body's building these babies. You know, I'm watching all the stuff online. Like, why would he'll be watching? You know, he's just not doing the same type of research that I'm doing about things. And so there's this like a greater level probably at the unknown for a guy.

And then when they meet the baby, it's like, you know, everything changes. And but, yeah, the second time around, he's like, oh, I know what to expect. It's great. And Matt was so confident with a baby. baby when we had Augie. Like I was like, he just like, knew how to do anything. He would get with DJ too.

He would put him in the football hole. Yeah. So, I'm like, I feel like this third time he's going to be, except there is more of a gap this time? So I'm like, is he going to forget?

You remember. Am I personally going to forget? I held the tiny baby the other day. I was like, oh, I forgot. I forgot. I know. I forgot that day.

I'll give you six months to prepare. Yeah. I was like, woohoo. But it is fun seeing them like assume that role again. It's really special to see it a second or or even like a third time. It's really special. I'm so proud of him.

It would be cool to see, like, you seeing your brother in that. I cried today thinking about that. So you haven't crying more. No, I cry like this all the time. I literally just pictured the scene. I was like driving and Blake handing me Brielle. And then I started crying because I was like, you make me cry.

My little brother. Oh, that would be really. You have to give videos of all that because it was just memories of real. Annie, I cried this week. On the regular, this is my normal emotions. You don't believe me. Do you think I'm more emotional? I feel like in these moments, yeah, a little bit more.

Oh, okay. I feel like this is a little bit. It's your second time. Sorry, I mean, it's my brother. No, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. I love it. But you're just trying, you're saying it's not because of being pregnant.

I feel this like, I do feel like this feels normal, but maybe I'm just out of touch. I do cry a lot. I'm not saying crying's bad. I love to cry. I don't cry because of sad things. I cry mostly because of feeling touched. Like that just instantly bring a tear to me. like not really like sad things like people can talk i can talk about sad things yeah and i'm like

kind of fine it's like the touching things yeah that really bring out the water works yeah no i love crying it's not a bad thing because i just know blake is also secretly sensitive ad he doesn't think he's you know i know they're serious yes so i know that this is going to bring out the him having a baby girl is going to bring out the most sensitive version of him oh it's so sweet and it's gonna be really sweet. I just pictured him handing me her and then I was like oh my gosh. Like I can't even imagine it like obviously

a baby boy would still be so like you still have to be so gentle and precious with it. But like a baby girl it mentally feels different. His baby girl like are you kidding me? He's gonna be such a good dad. I knew like he was being a girl dad the minute I met him

yeah oh my god. No the minute you guys we're like, we're pregnant. I was like, it's got to be a girl. But then my mom convinced me as a freaking boy. Oh, when your mom was telling me she knew it was a boy, I was like, that's the reason I think this baby could be a girl, because she's saying it's a boy. Oh, it's probably a girl.

That's what I'm saying. I'm like, Lori's dead wrong in every time. So she's like, you need to find out. She's like, you're going to have another boy. What does she say our baby is? I don't know. Okay, we have to ask her. Let's ask her.

That'll be my science. Yeah, honestly, it's good science. It's 100% accurate at this point. Yes, she's 100% wrong every time. She's 100% wrong 100% of time. And confidently wrong. Mind you. Thanks so much for being on this podcast.

I cannot wait to be an auntie two more time. So thank you for doing that, giving me that gift. And thank you for giving us another baby. Thank you for giving us another baby too. I'm so excited. And aunt again. Okay, well, everyone, go follow us. by the time this is out the baby will be born for sure for sure the baby will be here

so many exciting things happening and sending the best baby dust labor delivery dust both of you newborn experience i feel great about both of you guys it's going to be an awesome awesome season for us i feel so blessed