The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby - Why I chose surrogacy w/ Rebecca Zamolo

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

We sat down with Rebecca Zamolo and Matt Slays to talk about the side of motherhood that doesn’t get shared enough. From choosing IVF to ultimately turning to surrogacy, Rebecca opens up about the emotional toll of trying to grow her family—and how she knew surrogacy was the right next step. We also talk about moving in with your boyfriend, postpartum hair loss, and what it’s really like waiting on a positive pregnancy test. BetterHelp: Visit https://BetterHelp.com/unplannedpodcast today to get 10% off your first month. Bobbie: Visit https://hibobbie.com for an additional 10% off your purchase with code UNPLANNED. Harrys: Try Harry’s wash today for just $8 at https://harrys.com/unplanned Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

With a surrogate, you're trusting someone with your child, and you don't know what they're doing, and you can only control to a certain point. The second miscarriage hit us like a week, week, and it was really hard. Like that, because we thought we were just like in the clear. The reason I chose IVF was because I had been sick for a long time.

I had ulcerative colitis for eight years. So my 20s, I spent most of it in a hospital at least once a month. I knew I would not be able to have a girl if this didn't work. So we put in a boy as well. He was strong and she was weak. And I lost one. Everyone thought that we lost the girl.

We're about to find out if Matt and Abby are pregnant. Wait, this is what? I tried to really touch it. You know what's on that stick, right? Matt and Rebecca, welcome to Unplanned! Thanks so much for being here! Thanks for having us, we're excited! You guys are a power couple.

You both have accomplished so much on YouTube. Your viewership, your subscriber count, it's incredible. I mean, the views are in the billions, the numbers are just like, even too hard to fathom, but my question is, how did this relationship, how did this whole empire come to be in the very beginning? Rebecca was a professional cheerleader in the Bay Area and I was in a boy band and we were shooting a music video for TRL and she was one of the five cheerleaders casted for

the video. Back when MTV had music videos and you had TRL. This is a long time ago. This is a long way before. I mean, I was 19 then. So it's been like, it's forever. I was a teenager when we met, but you guys were even younger. No, don't bring up the photo.

You got a picture. Yeah, a day one year. I love young love. You guys were way younger than us when you met. We were in eighth grade. But still 19 though. That's so cute. Wait. That's so sweet. You totally look like you were in a boy band. Yeah. He had weird makeup in that for the shoot. He was in like a white room. That's so fun. So who made the first move who did make the first move?

Well, I think I'd probably me cuz he never no no no I I made the first move and then I made the first move again That night I think was like I called her again that night, which was like a big mistake. Yeah true Like yeah, we had a big mistake to call twice. Well, he called the same day He got my number like three hours later. And I was like, wow. You just gotta go for it sometimes. And then he called again that night. No way. Wow.

I don't remember that part. Yeah, we were young and I was leaving to go to college at UCSB. I ran track there. And so I didn't want a boyfriend. And so he asked me out like right before I left for college, which was not part of my plan or his even and so we did distance for about two or three years I was running in college and he was touring doing what boy banders do. Wow. That's incredible.

Yeah. So when you're on tour were you calling her every day was this did this cleanliness continue on? I think at the beginning you can't call every day I found that out pretty early on. He didn't know the rules. So yes every other day I think was our limit. Our limit yeah we talked a lot on the phone but I was really busy with track and college and like transferring I was a transfer so that's always like takes the sec to get adjusted yeah they're like, who are you, you know, coming in? They've been there for two years already. So it was, I think, really good because we had both of us had our own lives in those college years, which I think are very formative.

And then we stayed together. So eventually, you know, it worked out. But we both had our own lives for a while. For like two years? Do you mean at least two years? Wow. Really? But you weren't dating for those two years?

We were. We were dating. I mean, at any point, if he met someone or I did, I'm sure we would have had that talk, but I was so involved in like sports and he was so involved in his career that we weren't really interested and I wasn't like looking to find other guys or anything I was just like very focused. That's cool. Yeah. When did you get married? How much time went between you guys meeting at 19? Oh man. You know exactly the number. I do. It was 10 years before we proposed. No way! 12 years before we proposed. No way!

And then 12 years before we got married. Yeah. Did you move in together though before? We moved in about four years in. Okay. And our parents weren't stoked about that. So we had separate bedrooms. I was also kind of in denial that we were.

Both my parents weren't thrilled about that, but also liked him a lot. It was just more of the living together. I grew up very, stressed Catholic, so we had, we definitely had to get a two bedroom apartment. You're like, I'm sweating. I know. So, it's okay mom and dad, we got a two bedroom. So, I mean, that's what makes them,

you know, that can make them sleep at night. I was fine getting a two bedroom apartment. That's. I think at the end of the day, they knew that we were, we did it to move to Los Angeles. So, it's when we moved to LA. And so, of the day, they knew that we did it to move to Los Angeles. So it's when we moved to LA. And so it was like,

they knew that we both kinda needed the support of the other person. And I think both sides did too. So. Yeah, cause we didn't know anyone down here. And it was great because he worked in hotel sales. So he was gone during the day. And I worked at a place called Saddle Ranch

when I first moved here. I've heard of Saddle Ranch. Yeah, it's saw a mechanical bull. Let's go. Is that like where all the YouTubers go? I think so, yeah. I don't know. At the time there was no YouTube.

So it was like so new. I guess there was YouTube but it wasn't a thing. So we worked opposite schedules. I really don't think we would have seen each other if we did not live together. Wow. So 10 years. Why 10 years? Honestly. No rush. I'm not live together. Wow. So 10 years, why 10 years? Honestly?

No rush. I'm not the girl, I wasn't like the girl that was like, you better put a ring on it. I think it was more me. My parents divorced after 22 years and so I always was like, I wanna wait because you change a lot in your 20s and I was nervous that we would change so much,

especially because we weren't together for a lot of our relationship in the beginning, that it's like, what if we change, and it doesn't work out? I was just so fearful of commitment, even though I was extremely committed. It made no sense, but it just worked for us. No, that makes sense.

Having experienced that in your past, I see a couple parallels in our relationship that I've always said, I feel like this made us strong in our relationship is that first of all we started at long distance, we only lived two hours away, but just being able to talk grows your emotional connection and really just your friendship with that person. So I'm sure that sets a really good foundation for a long term relationship. And then also moving somewhere where you both know no one, you just have each other. That just like you being that support system for each other, like that makes sense.

You guys have been together now for how many years has it been now? It's been a good amount. It's been a good amount. Like almost 20 I think. Wow! Congrats you guys! I don't know the exact, we stopped counting. We're like you know what?

We're just gonna start from marriage. Oh, I'm just kidding. But for a very long time. That's awesome. I think for us, it's important too that we each have our own thing or our independence. Like I'm very independent, he is too. So our worlds do collide now.

But especially in the beginning, it was like we needed to have our own things too. So we weren't codependent, I would say. What are those independent things that you still, you know, keep time for on your own? I run, so I always run in the morning. Like I do that or I or get out somehow. You just run outside? Yeah, I just run. I run for about an hour. I just have to do that. I think I wish I was like that. A one hour run. Yeah, I mean.

Oh my goodness. It's like meditative. It's where I can think. I used to train and track and run a lot. I do it more for clearing my head. So I get one hour going out with friends. If there's girls trips or, I don't really do trips but like day events.

Just those kinds of things I think are really important. I just wanna go back to the running for one second. I'm trying to understand you for an hour because I so want to but I just can't. So do you like wake up early and like go like before? Like right after I start? I run before Zadie wakes up. Okay.

So that's like, I have to be done by eight cause that's when she wakes up. Okay. She wakes up a little earlier now because of school. So I've been like a little more lenient. Now I see her a little later, but I used to like for the first at least two years, I was there when she woke up. So I always made sure I'd be back in time yeah it's early it's

early mornings but it sounds like you guys have for us that would be like too waking up at 4 a.m. I know to get there before you can wake up yeah that's awesome so how many miles is that roughly I don't know like six to eight oh my gosh the longest I've ever ran is six miles. Do you do pre-workout? Like I'm trying to figure this out. No, I just like go. Are you so starving afterwards? No, no, I'm so used to it. I think my body is so efficient that I probably burn less calories

because the more you do it, the more efficient your body gets, right? What does your heart rate get up to? I have a very low heart rate. See, that's- Yeah, if we're in the hospital, if she's in the hospital, if she's in the hospital, it's like, they're constantly at the conter.

It's beeping. It drops under 40. It's genetic, my mom has it too. Mine is so fast. That has to be because you run though, as well. I've heard runners have really low heart rates, right? It's that plus genetics. It really is.

You're just built for it. Yeah, my mom's not as athletic and hers is just as low Does that mean you're gonna live to like 120? I mean having that low of a heart rate I mean, I feel like that's a sign of a healthy person. I feel like you're feisty too. The feisty ones always laugh The feisty ones? No, you've got energy though, you know You've got fire, motivation like I think about my grandma like she's gonna Lord willing hang on for a really long time she's just petite yeah she's 81 but she's with it she's

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to get 10% off your first month. That's better help. H E L P dot com slash unplanned podcast. Matt, what about you? What is your thing? Do you run seven to eight miles a day? I make him run. Three to four times a week. I'll hit the run with her. But then like it's usually just during football season is when I'm kind of like just obsessing over like football stats and like yeah my team or right now it's like basketball playoffs or football games Broncos okay Broncos okay all is it all Denver teams I'm guessing um I like nuggets I like the Denver Nuggets I don't I never got into the Nuggets well I lived there cuz it was never like I don't know nobody really was all about the Broncos. Do you know about their mascot? How their mascot does the craziest

half-time shows and tricks? I'm pretty sure that the Denver Nuggets mascot is the highest paid mascot in all of the NBA. It's something crazy, like $600,000 a year this mascot gets paid to do half court shots during half time. He just, he puts on a show. He's like the dude perfect. You should look it up. Yeah, It's, it's pretty cool. Honestly though, have you worn those mascot outfits? Like, it's worth it. I mean, I feel like I've done that before. It sounds like a Superman outfit. They're so heavy and thick and big and then you have to like shoot a basket.

You can barely see in those things. I think that's a skill. They probably smell terrible too. Yeah. It's not good. You probably break out. No. Yeah. They probably smell terrible. Yeah, it's not good. You probably break out No, yeah, they deserve to be compensated. I agree. I'm are you still into boy bands? Wait, I enjoy pop music. Okay. Yeah, I'm not like out there searching for boy bands Are you like me though where sometimes your music genres are the things that like 16 year old girls are listening to like is it?

Like that you're you're listening to a lot of One Direction, you know? You listen to One Direction? Honestly, they're great. Harry Styles, his album. I don't think there's any 16 year old girls. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, Harry Styles puts out some great music. He does, he does.

Matt has a very wide range of music. It's country, it's pop. He likes just like good singers. And I'm tone deaf, so it all sounds good to me. So he like is very into, I don't know, the quality of the song. I just like need something that's a beat. Who's your artist right now?

I've been like really getting into Dan and Shay. Oh, love Dan and Shay. Yeah, their stuff's great. I used to be Rascal Flatts was like my number one before that. Really? But yeah, I feel like Dan and Shay, yeah, their stuff's great. I used to be about school flats, was like my number one. Aw. Before that. Really? But yeah, I feel like Dana Shade's kinda taking over right now.

You guys are parents now, you've been parents now for what, over two years? Yeah, three. Three. She just turned three in February. Oh, she's three? Oh my goodness. I know. I didn't realize that she was older than Griffin.

That's wonderful. Yeah. Like six months older. Yeah. That's why I'm like, I don't know how you guys have two. I know. That's a lot. Griffin was 13 months old when we had her. Yeah, I know. That's crazy. It Griffin was 13 months old when we had our kid. Yeah, I know.

That's crazy. It was crazy. Yeah, Abby and I were watching a video that you posted four years ago about the wild journey that you guys have been through coming into parenthood. And Abby was crying. Like, watching this video, it was very, very emotional. And that video, you know, just taking some time, working on your careers, and then it came time where you're like deciding okay now it's time and then you're

finding like having difficulties and your journey through the IVF and I know that IVF is something a lot of people take to start their family nowadays. What was your experience with it like? The reason I chose IVF was because I had been sick for a long time. I had ulcerative colitis for eight years. So my 20s I spent most of it in a hospital at least once a month for three or four days. And I do think that's why I have a lot of energy now is because I had to fake being- Because you don't have a colon?

Had to fake, no! Oh my gosh. Because I had to fake being healthy for so long. I would be trying to be myself and then I would go home and have to take a three hour nap. Like, you know, and just like fighting to be normal, what my normal was. I was a college athlete.

To go from that to just like trying to function every day was very different for me. So when I wanted to get pregnant, I was finally ready. We had waited because I'd been so sick for so long. I never traveled. I never did what normal people did. I never got to eat at a restaurant that I could enjoy because I'd be so stressed if there was no bathroom nearby. If someone went in it, I'd be stressed the whole time because I would have to go instantly. So it was just like I got my life back and finally we got to take a trip to New York or go to a restaurant and actually have a meal.

And all these things that everyone took for granted I didn't get to do. And so we waited because it was like I was doing all these things for the first time. And so by the time we wanted kids, the doctor had said it would be much harder because I don't have a colon, but we didn't realize it would be that much harder. And we chose IVF because I wanted to make sure that it was monitored the entire time. Like I wasn't someone that could just show up at, you know, a six week appointment and

be like, hey, how's it going? Just checking in. It's like I really felt like I needed that monitoring because my case is a lot different than most women's. I'm not super familiar with ulcerative colitis. Ulcerative colitis. Ulcerative colitis. Is it something you're born with or something you develop over time?

You can get it at any point. It's an autoimmune disease. It's essentially your body can't attacks the good and the bad. It can't know the difference. So if I ate something, it would just, the inflammation there would just cause me to lose like everything. I couldn't hold things in. There's different versions of that, but it's inflammation of the colon

so I had at least 13 colonoscopies. Oh my goodness. At least. At least. I think I had way more but I became an expert at colonoscopy so if you ever need tips I can I can help you. Well that's the Coli that you had to have? The Coli, yeah. That's pretty invasive too right?? Yeah, yeah, I mean you're asleep, so hopefully you don't wake up, but I did wake up one time. No. Yeah, you could do-

You woke up during a colonoscopy, and you look around, and they were like, oh no, and then they, I just remember them putting a mask back on me to put me back to sleep. One time they had me come into the operating room during an endoscopy, which is I think through the mouth, and it was just like awkward to see. I was like, no, no, no.

He didn't want to see it. Yeah. Really? Was it scary? Yeah, it's just like you see your wife like this, and there's a tube. Like they're basically just sending the camera down your. Yeah.

Anytime you're under anesthesia, you're so vulnerable. It's like freaky. It's so crazy. And I know hacks for anesthesia too. Like you have to, because you go under anesthesia you aren't getting like Blood is not flowing to all the parts of your body, right? so a lot of women and this is very similar after pregnancy is At first you're fine

but then all of a sudden your hair will start to break and all of that because For my surgeries, a lot of times they were like six hours. Imagine like how, depending on how often you are under anesthesia, your body's not getting the nutrients. So now whenever I do something like that, or if I have to go under for any reason, IVF,

I get acupuncture and that helps blood flow start back again. And so I had no hair loss on either pregnancy and that was all because of as soon as like a day later, a day or two later, I was like getting acupuncture, getting everything going again. Because if you think about pregnancy, your body's getting all of these nutrients, right? Like your hair looks great, your skin looks great, and you're like, this is awesome. And then one day, you get none of it anymore, right?

So it's like, it doesn't happen the next day, but then two or three months later, women are like, oh, like my hair's breaking, all of this. Like it doesn't happen overnight, but if you can get blood flow and keep it going in those areas, it's less likely that you're gonna have all of those things happening postpartum, hair loss, like all of that. But you don't like needles, right? But acupuncture doesn't bother you?

I've done, I had to, I mean, I don't love it. When they poke me, I don't love it, but I love what it did. And I think that's one of the biggest reasons I was able to stay pregnant along with the supplements I took. So I think when you're trying to be a mom and you struggle for so long, for me it was over two years, you'll do anything. And so for me, as much as I still can't look when I get an IV, I can't look at the needle in, but like the acupuncture needles are very small. I don't know, subconsciously I was able to like differentiate those needles from the other needles and you know, if you want to be a mom bad enough, you know, all of a sudden needles aren't as scary as they used to be. It's incredible what mothers will do for their children.

Right. It's amazing. When you woke up during the colonoscopy, was that painful? I'm still stuck on that. children. Right. It's amazing. Yeah. When you woke up during the colonoscopy, was that painful? I'm still stuck on that. Yeah. Were you drugged up enough that you didn't feel the pain? Yeah. You're just like in a dream. Like you're just like, it feels like a sci-fi movie. Oh gosh. You know when you see everyone and like you're drugged up so you're like huh? And they're like no. I just, no, and then like putting a mask on

and I was like, ugh. Oh my gosh. I remember hearing about a story of a guy who woke up during a surgery and he felt everything. But he couldn't talk or something. I remember that, he sued them. Yeah, he sued the hospital. And so when you said that, I immediately jumped

to that conclusion of, oh my gosh, that's my worst nightmare. He was like, I wish I would have died. Yeah, no, he you said that I immediately jumped to that conclusion of oh my gosh that like that's my worst nightmare He was like I wish I would have died. Yeah. No, he actually said that he wished he would have died because of the pain I don't even know how that happened. They messed up. Did you have a natural or with Griffin? I had like a vaginal delivery with Auggie I had a c-section this podcast is sponsored by Bobby I will never forget the moment when our nine month old son,

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have any of those complications that we had the first time so I didn't have any of those complications that we had the first time. So I didn't have a bad experience with a C-section. Obviously the recovery is not good. But I do wish that I could have a vaginal delivery. But I can't, so I just C-sectioned. So now I've just been like, yeah, it's fine, it's quick. I honestly just focus on the positives about it. I'm like, he came so fast and I have a single contraction. Like, it was very predictable, everything that happened. So I really like that, but yeah, I didn't have a single contraction. Like it was very predictable, everything that happened.

So I really liked that but yeah, I didn't have a bad, I think if I were to have an emergency C-section, I would have been like, I hate C-sections. And if I didn't have like a traumatic first birth, because our son got, he had a shoulder dystocia, so his shoulders got stuck and that becomes like an emergency procedure. And so I think we were just like so freaked out by that,

that like going in, having the baby within an hour and like feeling nothing. And also I was so drugged up that I was literally like, Matt, I'm so brave. I literally watched in the light because I could see the reflection of the C-section. I was like, I'm so brave. I wasn't even scared.

He's like, that's awesome, babe. I also think that you were on some drugs. And I was like, you know what? That makes a lot of sense. Oh my gosh. I had a great experience. Were you strapped down? Yeah. Yeah they have to strap you down. Yeah because I was just like this is. What did you have a c-section? I had a c-section I couldn't have a vaginal like it would have been too risky for us. Oh okay. So yeah I thought it was the weirdest. You hated the experience. I don't like not being in control and being strapped down is like,

it wasn't bad, our doctor was great, but I remember she wanted like a smaller scar, so they pushed kind of her back in, our daughter Zadie, and then moved her to kind of like keeping her out, and so I just remember like them pushing like so aggressively, and I'm just like here, and I felt like I couldn't talk so I was like,

like the quietest I've ever been in my entire life. Oh really? And he's like, she's here and I'm like. Wait, why can't you talk? I don't know. Oh, that's why I don't know but it felt like. I feel like I was chatting with you. You felt this weird pain in your shoulder, right?

Did your shoulder hurt? No. I literally told the anesthesiologist behind me, I was like, can you get whatever's on my shoulder, off my shoulder, like chatting with him. Maybe that's the drugs again. No, it was the, anesthesiologist behind me. I was like get can you get whatever's on my shoulder off my shoulder like chatting with him? Maybe that's the drugs again. No, it was the That's why I wonder if women experience different things I was like, please get this elephant off my shoulder. That's what it literally felt like and he's like no

That's a common symptom if you're like short or something if you're short pain. Nothing hurt here where they were literally slicing me open and pulling me big. No it had no pain. I just thought it was weird when you just see your stomach like rolling. It felt like I got deflated. I remember that feeling. I was like. Man I feel like they could do better for women because I still feel like I'm in a sci-fi movie again. And there's cute. And like the white lights and there's no like clouds on the ceiling. It's just like you're straight down and you're just like this. And they're just moving you and you're just like I don't know like can they yeah can they decorate so I could look at a cloud up on the wall? Rather than my reflection of me getting sexed up. Was he not allowed in the room when

you got your spinal block? He was allowed for the whole thing. Really? I think you were there when I got the. They made him leave for the spinal. They took her into, I think, we were in a room. Oh, you weren't there? And then they took her in a room, and then they did it, and then they brought her in.

That's what I did. I just didn't like them separating me from, like I was like, I don't know why that's, I'm sure there's a good reason for that policy. Were you like super cold after you gave birth to? No, I think I was sweating because I thought I was going to throw up. Remember that?

She was like shivering. I went into like a hypo, like I started shaking. They had to warm me up after. That's normal. But it happened after I got the epidural. They always say everything's normal. I think there's like 25 things that can go. Yeah, and don't you love it?

And every woman has different experiences. When it's like, it's just because it's hormones. And I'm like, oh, I just gotta answer is that? I'm like, I don't want hormones to ever be an answer for anything. Did you have water in like a certain area? Like on my body? Yeah, so after all my water in my stomach,

just like went back and I had just like a back bump. And it was just water. That's funny. It was like a hump. I didn't know that was a thing. They were like, that's normal. I'm like, how do you get it out? What do you do? And they're like, oh, I don't it'll just naturally come out

So like most people have like why I had lots of that No, I had like maybe a little but I had a hump in my back. I'm like, why did you go to my back? I need to know like give women things so like when we're on it, maybe I arched my back too much Maybe I was fighting. I don't know I've never heard of that. Yeah, but honestly, like you said nothing could surprise me. No, they say anything could happen Yeah, right. That's crazy. Like you told me that their gums were bleeding and that's how they knew they were pregnant I was like, oh, I didn't know that was a symptom Anything can be a symptom. That's crazy

No, I just remember that my worst thing after the C-section is that I could not pee and it was like a big deal They had to keep coming in they were like you have to pee or else we were gonna have to put another catheter in you And I was like no and so like what was I was literally just like trying for so I was so frustrating Here's Matt looks so like upset right now with this conversation No, it's uh, no, oh my gosh. What are, what our wives go through is incredible for our children. Water, water backs and then. Yeah, water on the back. Like a human cable and the other one can't go. Admittedly, like the first week postpartum is like never my favorite. I wish I liked it, like I wish I loved it, but both times

I was kind of just like, huh, and then it took like week two, week three, I'm like, ah, I liked it, I wish I loved it, but both times I was kinda just like, and then it took week two, week three, I'm like, I love this, I love the baby, I love life. But that first week I was like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm going through it. What was your journey like then, like after you had Zadie, were you like, okay, well we've got our child, this is our family,

or was it always like, we're gonna try to do IVF again, or what was the plan? We had done enough IVF rounds where we had more eggs left, so I think it was just figuring out when. So we've started filming about, was it a week or a week and a half after giving birth? I was back to full production. Oh my.

So I didn't really have. After C-section? Yeah. Holy cow. So here's another hack, the C-section is also where the same area where you have your colon removed. So I had already had three surgeries in that area. Gosh. So I had built up a tolerance.

So I actually, like I remember when I had my colon removed the pain there, but I was very used to that area having surgery. Oh wow. So it wasn't as... Wait did they use the same incision? You're kidding. Yeah same one. So yeah. That's wild. I know so for me the recovery of a C-section wasn't that bad and I think I was running I was cleared to run. My doctor came over to make sure it was healed but about two weeks? You were running two weeks later?

Yeah. I'm not surprised. I think I just wanted to get out. Because you're so feisty. It's because you're feisty. No, it's because I'm feisty. That's what I told you. I think I just wanted to try to get back to normal.

I get that. I get that. I feel like people are sometimes critical of moms getting out and about with their newborns or wanting to make plans. It's like, hey, they're trying to prioritize their mental health right now, which is really important for them and for their baby that they're like healthy and taking care of themselves because scary things can happen.

I've heard of some really scary things when moms don't leave the house, like getting psychosis and like, you're just so sleep deprived and out of your routine. It's good to do a couple things to get back into it a little bit. As long as you're safe and you were clear, you're good. Yeah. It's good to do a couple things to get back into it a little bit. As long as you're safe and you were clear, you're good. Yeah, I think it was like brain fog for probably like six months. And I didn't even realize I was in it till we got out of it. Totally. I was like, oh, like what just happened?

Because I think we're just at like survival mode, as you know, with like just trying to do it. We're trying to keep up all of our content. We have a production company and it was just like, I just have to, I have no choice. What are those filming hours like? So right now, on my channel we do six videos a month and so we take about three days

for production for that channel and then we do four videos. Three days a week. Three days a week for my channel and then we usually two, four videos. Three days a week. Three days a week for my channel and then we usually have one or two other days and that's for our content for his channel and I have a second channel so we do 20 videos a month. Holy cow. When you say days like how long are you filming for? About nine to six. Yeah, 9 to 6 and then we have Zadie popping in and out so it's kind of if we're shooting at home it's a lot easier

because she's there and we have a nanny on our production days that is there so that I can pop in and out whenever I need to. Wow. Yeah. What about you guys? What's your schedule? It's nothing like that. Ours is pretty casual. Yeah, ours is a lot more casual. We kind of, we're more in the lifestyle content space. Yeah.

So we're kind of just showing our life and having candid fun conversations with people like you guys. I'm so curious though. Wait, 20 videos a month, there must then be a whole entire production team, a crew, a set of some sort, do you have multiple sets that you're filming inside?

How do you manage all that? Well, we have a big production team, we've found that they're like, smaller is actually better, so we're trying to figure out what that number is, where it's not too big, but it's like big enough where people can do their job and not feel overwhelmed. And then we have two warehouses. We have one that has a pickleball court in it,

and we use that for basketball sets. And then we have what we call HQ, and that has sets, so we have a white psych room, we have a classroom, a diner, a flex space, which we create. Yeah, so we have spaces, but we still film. It just depends on the video. Like, last week, or two weeks ago, we were filming in a mall,

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that are constantly like pitching ideas and brainstorming. Cause I really think that the more we have, the better the video is. So I like people to question it. I don't like yes men or yes women. I want to like be questioned. Cause all of a sudden I'll just do a whole video. And it's like why did we even do that?

And it's like, so I don't want that. So I always want people questioning. I want data backing it up. We, you know, we look at our YouTube analytics to study, you know, what our audience likes, what did well, what other people in our cluster are doing, how we can do our own version of that. Just studying the data.

It's crazy that in 2025, there's people like you guys with a full on media company on YouTube. I don't think anybody saw that coming 15, you know, 10 years ago that that was never really a thing. We did not. I'll tell you that much. When did you guys realize that that was a reality for you, that building out this media company for YouTube made sense? How long ago?

I think it was just this year, all of a sudden, when people were like, how many people do you have? And we were like, we have a lot of people right now. I was like, when did this happen? Like, it's a lot. But I did see, when did this happen? Like it's a lot. But I did see, you know, back in 2017, I did see YouTube as a future. I did see it as a business.

I started YouTube as an adult. So you know, we're like the V1 YouTubers just did it, made home videos. They never thought of it like that. I strategically went to YouTube because I had an ostomy bag I had quit acting because of my surgeries yeah and I I specifically was like this is what I have to do I don't know if I'm gonna have an ostomy bag forever I can't act anymore so I'm just gonna do YouTube videos and I'll produce and like I had no other, in my mind I had no other option. You can't act with an ostomy bag.

Well I was nervous. They have this law where you can't act with if you have an ostomy bag. No, that is not true. It wasn't about that. That's so best. It was, yeah. You can definitely,

there are actually actors that do have ostomy bags. The issue for me at that time was I was, it was nine months and I had three surgeries in nine months. So it wasn't necessarily that I couldn't act. It was that it took about a month for each for recovery. Think of a C-section and times that by a little, like I don't know, I don't want to say how much more, but it was just a very serious surgery. So like, times that by three surgeries in nine months and a month recovery at least. And so I just didn't know like, where I would be, if I'd be able to go, if I could audition, if you can audition, the timing of everything.

So I just thought, this is now my reality, at least for the next nine months. Am I pronouncing that right? Is it Austin-ee or Austin-ee? Austin-ee Oh with an M Can you describe what that is to somebody who has no idea what that word means? I can say it pretty simple if you want So basically you lose the function to go to the bathroom And it's just right here on the little pad You go to the bathroom in a bag

For solids No way You have to the bathroom in a bag. For solids. No way. You have to change out the solid bag. My body needed rest because of the inflammation. So they, instead of being able to reconnect it, it wasn't in good condition. So they basically took where you'd go and put it to the side. So I would go in a bag and then I had to heal for six months before they could go in and with my small intestines

form a pseudo colon. And then that had to sit for another three months and they had to test it to make sure it didn't leak. And then they could reconnect it. So that was the three surgeries? Oh my goodness. Yeah. So I have a J-pouch,

which is a pseudo colon made out of my small surgeries. Oh my goodness. Yeah. So I have a J-pouch, which is a pseudo colon made out of my small intestines. Holy moly. Yeah. Science. Science is awesome. That's pretty incredible. Yeah.

You get used to it. It's interesting and you don't feel like the urgency that you have to go to the bathroom. It's the weirdest thing. And that's why you were saying you felt like you couldn't eat out at one point because of? That was before when I had all sort of, once I had a bag, I was fine saying you felt like you couldn't eat out at one point because of... That was before when I had all sorts of clients. Once I had a bag, I was fine unless you have like soda, it like bloats it or you have broccoli.

There's certain like gassy foods that would get the air in it. So yeah, we would basically, we would go to like a restaurant or anything like that and the first thing we both, okay, bathroom's over here or right here because she would have to go to the bathroom about 30 times a day. And so you have to- Is it 30 or three? 30. 30.

Yeah, 30 plus. So we have to like kind of plan out, okay, here's our, every situation, like right now, we know where the bathroom's at in this room. It's right back here. But like, that's kind of how we had to train ourselves and always have like an exit plan. How dope is it though that you went through all that

and then were able to start this company? You didn't let it slow you down. You didn't go, oh, why me? This is so hard. You kinda just said, hey, I'm gonna push through this and I'm gonna- Look at this differently. Yeah, that's really cool.

Yeah. Well, I think at some point you're probably thinking, why me? Yeah, I definitely at some point you're probably thinking like why me but yeah, I definitely did think go through that but Mm-hmm. I always had hope that it would get better because I just think you have to so there were definitely bad days, but I Mean now I look back and I think that that is my superpower Like you guys are like you have so much energy or and I think when

you're sick for that long or you've experienced near-death I mean for me it was a life or death surgery. You see things differently and I really look at just doing as much as I can because I have the opportunity to live and I don't think I would have had that I wouldn't have that perspective if I hadn't gone through what I went through I'm Yeah, so it makes everything like oh I have to film another video Yeah, so it's like filming 20 videos a month is like that's that's fun for me You know, I don't mind doing it question for you guys cuz this is kind of important for us to know 20 videos a month is like, that's fun for me. You know, I don't mind doing it.

Question for you guys, because this is kind of important for us to know. Yeah. Difference between baby one and baby two. We might have different answers. You take the point, you got it. Once you have one, you've done all the hard work of adjusting into the mindset of a parent.

You know, like your schedule's totally uprooted, you're like, okay, this is a baby, I have to sleep, eat, I have to learn all these things, changing diapers, all that. You've already done all that. So, yeah, you get thrown off a little bit when you're thrown back into the newborn stage, but you have this confidence of like,

okay, I did this, and it was great, we got through it. You have that perspective of like, okay, toddlerhood looks like this, we're gonna get to that point, and this will fly by. Like, you have that, you know, you have the wisdom that makes everything, like I almost feel like I was able to like enjoy a little bit more with our second just knowing that like, yeah, there's a little bit less fear in that. But um, the problem is your nap times, they, they could be, yeah, you're not gonna get to just

relax when one is napping because you're not gonna get to just relax when one is napping, because you're gonna have another one awake. With nighttime wake ups, it's probably gonna be double because you got two that could always throw a curve ball. Oh, sicknesses with two, one gets it, you're gonna be down for the count while that one happens. Let's just keep on the positives, okay?

It's been positive. Right when they get it, I wanna look forward to it now. Right when they're on the mend, the next one's gonna get it and then you're back at home, okay? Right when they get it, right when they're scaring me, right when they're on the mend, the next one's gonna get it and then you're back at home, then your husband's gonna get it, then you're gonna get it. Sicknesses with two is just brutal. Flu season for us was... But the positives though are like being in the car as a family and you look back and

you see our kids like holding hands or our two-year-old's eating Cheez-Its and he hands a Cheez-It to his little brother. He gets two of everything for his little brother. He's like, no, one for Augie. Like he always gets something for him. Always looking out for his brother. Yeah. Like in the parking lot, they make each other laugh. Just seeing your kids be friends and yeah, bond is the sweetest thing. It just melts your heart. It just So you said earlier you had done IVF so you knew that that was like gonna be you still had embryos. Yeah. So then did you get to decide if you were gonna have a boy or a girl? Yeah. Oh wow.

So here yes yes you can you can do that with IVF. Um there's different things that I wasn't made aware of that can up your chances. There's a things that I wasn't made aware of that can up your chances. There's a thing called spinning. So our problem was we didn't we wanted girl eggs and we had a lot of boy eggs. So we did multiple rounds to try to get good quality girl eggs. They're also all rated so there's like a day one or a day five like a day five is is a good, a strong, like think of a weak egg, okay, and then a good or great egg. Interesting. So we were having troubles with girl eggs, and so I had put all girl eggs in. I put four eggs, female eggs, and they'd been

unsuccessful. I only had one left, and so... Yeah, the. Yeah, the first two tries. This is the first with Zadie. The first try we did two. Before Zadie with the miscarriages I had, I just was unsuccessful. So basically they put in two eggs, both girls, and the strongest eggs that we had. And then unfortunately just,

It didn't work. Yeah, we weren't planned out I think on that. And then the second miscarriage hit us like a week, what was it, week 10 or week nine? It was really hard. Because we thought we'd just get it clear. There was multiple, but also when you have two, you lose one.

So when you lose one, there's a lot of, that's also hard because you know you lost it. You know it didn't make it. And so there's like double if you put two in. So for the one with Zadie, we put in, she was our last weak female egg. And so we put in a boy as well because I knew I wanted to get pregnant.

And you know, I just wanted to be pregnant at this point but I knew I would not be able to have a girl if this didn't work and he was strong and she was weak so it was just like you know what you know I'm I don't at this point I'm like putting this in God's hands because you know and so I lost one and so it's like it comes you see that you lost, and so everyone thought that we lost the girl. So I had to, in my head, just know that I probably wasn't gonna have a girl. We were like, you know, we can look into adoption.

There's other ways to have a girl, but I really didn't wanna be upset because I wasn't upset about having a boy. I was upset that I wouldn't be able to have a girl. Yeah, most people, when they find out the gender of their baby they're not finding out also, you're never gonna have the other.

It was just like, I never. It's a lot to process that one. Exactly, so it was like, I will, like this dream of having a daughter will never happen in the way that I pictured it. Yes. So when we had our gender reveal, it was actually a true gender reveal

because they can't tell once the eggs are in if it's the boy or the girl. So everyone had thought it was the boy and it turned out to be the girl. So it was incredible. So yes you can, like we knew going into this we only had boy eggs so it had to be a boy but in that situation, that circumstance, we did not know and we actually thought it would be a boy and I worked on my face like, we're gonna be happy, grateful to have a boy

and be pregnant. Like I had to like really come to terms with that because I didn't want my face to know, like to show that I was anything but grateful. It was just also like, I had always wanted a little girl as well. And so when we found out it was a girl, it was like girl it was

like you know the odds were against her and she came through. She said I'm not a weak egg. I know. She was your fifth. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Our fifth female egg. Wow. Yeah. A lot of rounds of IVF. So then how did you come to the decision to do surrogacy with your second? So because of how hard it was for me to get pregnant the first time, we knew that it would be easier to have a surrogate, but what a lot of people didn't know, and I've talked about this a little bit, is because I have no colon,

it's harder for me to absorb nutrients. And everything goes through me four times, like half is, takes half the time. So she was almost premature because I almost lost her because I couldn't give her the nutrients. So I had to go on IV fluids two hours a night for the last month or two of my pregnancy just to make sure she could be full term.

And so with that, we knew that would already be the case with this one, but now I have a daughter and I'm already spending a lot of time filming and two hours now with night, like with nighttime routines and everything would be a lot to take away from her. And I felt like if I, I would lose being a mom to her. On top of that, I am high risk with everything going on. So we just decided, because I wanted to also be a mom to her

and prioritize her, whereas before I could just prioritize her in my stomach, it would be the best option to have a surrogate. I remember hearing, didn't your sister or somebody say to you at one point, I'll be a surrogate for you? Yes. How selfless. Was that ever an idea of going with a family member to be the surrogate?

Honestly, I would have loved that. My sister had just passed the age of like, being... Like acceptable age, yeah. Acceptable, because there's like a screening process. Really, okay. And so we kind of just moved on from that. But yeah, it's a very different experience. It's hard because when you're pregnant, you feel everything.

So you feel that connection and with a surrogate you're trusting someone with your child and you don't know what they're doing and you can only control to a certain point. And so I was talking to Abby earlier how out of control you feel. And you know, when you like to be in control and you have no control, to be in control and you have no control it's

very hard and stressful and you know we love our surrogate and but it is still hard you know sometimes I forget we're having baby number two you know like I everyone's like how is it going and it's like if they miss an appointment it stresses me out. I have no control, and then August is gonna come, and I'm gonna have this little newborn baby. And it just feels like, it's so cool. I'm gonna have to jump into it really fast,

where I think as when you carry a baby, you have nine months to kind of prepare. There's the nesting phase, you know, and with this, we're preparing, but like emotionally preparing. I think that's been the harder. Yeah. And what other circumstance is a parent, you know, away from their child for that long?

I mean, that must be scary, even if it's someone that you really do trust and love and, you know, checks all the boxes that I can't imagine what that must be like to know that your baby is growing in someone else's body. That must be like a weird. It's vulnerable. Very vulnerable. Yeah, and it is very, I guess weird is the, you know,

is the word to describe it when you go into an ultrasound and it's not your body that they're rubbing the cream on and you're watching. And you know, you want that surrogate to love your baby as well, you know, like she's carrying your child, but when they say like, oh, my little bean or, you know, it's bizarre. It's the most bizarre thing,

but I'm so grateful at the same time. So it's like this big spectrum of emotions that you can't really describe. You're so grateful, but it also feels weird and it doesn't feel natural, but you're so happy. It's everything, all in one. Someone putting themself in that position for me to carry my child, that's so beautiful.

It could almost bring me to tears, another. Like I would feel, like that's so beautiful. It could almost like bring me to tears. Like that, another woman. That's womanhood right there. You know, I feel like so grateful and just like, you know, you just have to trust that process. You know? Yeah, and that's why it's so complicated. It's like, I feel all these things,

but at the same time, like this woman is making it so that we can complete our family. You know, so it's, it's so complex. I feel like you're allowed to feel every single side of that where it's like maybe I feel a little envy, maybe I feel a little bit like out of control, frustration. This is beautiful, this is my child, but like come August, like.

Yeah. You're gonna just have that. Let's go. Yeah. Have you picked out a name? We have, but we haven't said it yet. Totally, keep your secret. Just say it amongst yourselves. We said it starts with the letter Z. Okay, I see a theme.

And we're letting people guess, yeah. Yeah? I love that. It's a theme. I love that. That's really unique. So is that because of your last name? Zamolo, yeah.

And I've just always loved the Z names. And Matt is fine with it, so. Yeah, he's like, I'm game. He picked the middle name. I think we both agreed on the first name with the Z names and Matt is fine with it so yeah he's like I'm game. He picked the middle name I I think we both agreed on the first name with the Z. He's never fought the Z. I just have always loved the letter Z. Okay I'm so dumb is that why you named your your company Molo? Is that what because of the Molo? Yeah. Okay. Exactly. That's awesome. Tell us a little bit about this because you were were telling me before, this is so cool. Molo is, feels like my third baby.

I was telling you when I got... Hold the conception one day. This is awesome camera guy. Everyone thinks I'm pregnant also. Really? Well then you should be taking that. Are you willing to take a test today? I know that I'm not. We do have to take a test.

Wait! We have the pregnancy test here. Oh my gosh. I have like hundreds of people. I think you have to take it on here. Oh my gosh. She's totally pregnant. I can see a bump. I'm like, well, let's take a pregnancy test. I'm not. Is she pregnant? Wow. Oh my gosh. I think you should have to take it right now during this podcast. I got it. Open it up. You're gonna take a pregnancy test right now? Oh my god. Let's see if she really... What if she is?

This is... We're gonna be the first to know. We're obviously gonna go pee, like, mid podcast on a stick. No. I will. I mean... I'm game. Honestly.

Oh my god. Make the viewers wait till the end. I guess we'll do that. Keep talking. Okay, yeah, tell us about this. No, you... That's a little too personal. No, wait, wait, the ovulation is too personal. Pregnancy? No. Everyone should know. Okay, alright, they're gonna have to wait till the end to see if she is.

Oh my gosh, okay, well, Abby is taking a break. You're sweating right now, Matt. I think we're in the clear. This honestly could be... Okay, all right. They're gonna have to wait till the end to see if she oh my gosh, okay I think we're in the clear honestly could be Same time though. We had an unplanned pregnancy. Yeah, and it was the best thing ever. So yeah, I don't know I mean, hey regardless of what happens. Yeah, it's gonna be okay. Okay, and we're not mikes up in the bathroom right now Yeah, we're not mic'd up in the bathroom. No, okay, tell me more about about Molo. How did you come up with this idea? Just come in. Well, Zmolo is a play on my last name. Yes. With Molo, it is all of the supplements that I took to finally get pregnant successfully. So, when I had my miscarriage, the one at week nine, a nurse came to me, Christina, who is now partnered with me on this, and she was like, what supplements are you taking?

And I was like, a prenatal and maybe one other thing, and she's like, okay. She's like, we're gonna get you pregnant. Here's a list of all of the supplements you should be taking. You should be taking zinc, you should be taking CoQ10, you should be doing this. And so I went and bought all of the supplements you should be taking. You should be taking zinc, you should be taking, you know, CoQ10, you should be doing this. And so I went and bought all of it, and she's like, take this for three months. And so I started taking it.

Yeah, but before she did, it was a little bit of a shock because it was like a lot of these giant pills. It was like 14 pills, and you have to take them every day. And I was like, this is crazy. She's like, yeah, all of the women complain about it, but like you need this to get pregnant. So I did it and took the pills and I did get pregnant. And so I was like, you know, once I had Zadie,

I was like, can't we make this easier for women? Why has nothing changed in like over 20 years? I was talking to a woman that went through IVF 17 years ago and she's like, it's the exact same. It's just as hard, I had to take pills, I had to do this. You have to, you know, it's not an easy experience. So now all of what you need is in a stick that you can drink. Like a powder stick. The exact milligrams.

You pour in water, you drink it up, eight ounces, and it's everything you need instead of taking all of these pills. And a lot of time, a big problem, which was for me as well, is education. You don't know what vitamins to take and you're just searching the web. You're trying to do your best. You're piecing it together. And now with Molo, all of the vitamins are all in one, so you don't have to search, you don't have to know. You just basically can mix and match based off on your pregnancy journey. If you're trying to get pregnant, if you are pregnant,

if it's IVF, and yeah, so it's really exciting, it's really easy, and. And we just launched at Walmart. Yeah. That's huge. And it's actually, the other thing that we really wanted to make sure that we made this product was affordable. So it's less than $30 for a 30 day supply. No way, that's wonderful.

Where the pills I was taking, it was two to $300 a month. Oh my goodness. Yeah, because you're buying all the different. How were you able, so if you were paying two to $300 a month. You already know the results? I haven't looked okay oh my god my question though is like how are you able to get the cost down? That's like a huge, taking $300 worth of pills a month

and getting your cost down to 30, how are you able to do that? Well, we partnered with someone that specializes in health and pills and fertility. Yeah, we went through a few different routes. We were talking about doing pills at one point and then we switched over to gummies, but we found out that the best intake was through a different a few different routes We were talking about doing pills at one point and then we switched over to gummies But we found out that the best intake was was through a powder

Okay, the best absorption into your body and so this formula is Like when we broke down with all the manufacturers We just we wanted to make sure that we cared less about our margins being super high on this and more about it being Affordable to a little bit more of a mass audience Very cool. And what what added benefit does this have on top of say a typical prenatal? Because I know those have I mean Abby's taken those before I think a lot of people know what a prenatal vitamin is But what's the like the additional? Sorry. I'm so cute

And so it's like you you have to look and see what, every prenatal's gonna be different. So this is optimized to help, all three of these have different ingredients but you can take them all at the same time as well. To say like oh this is different than this one, it's kind of hard to say because they're all a little bit different. This one specifically is optimized for pregnancy.

Yeah, so like with a prenatal generally you're getting for one ingredient you'd say CoQ10 you're only getting 50 milligrams where a woman should be taking over 200 milligrams of CoQ10. So a lot of times they're giving you like little bits but not the full amount. Also with certain women that have PCOS, certain things, like DHEA, which is, it's something that is normally good for egg quality, it can actually kill a female embryo if you have PCOS.

So we took that into account and we added something else. I think it's AADL, it's on the hormone balance. So it's safe for PCS on the back, you can read it. And wait, let me see it really good. This is, you need this one. Yeah, let me just make sure I get it right. There's a lot of science in it. It's ALA.

And this is in replacement of the DHEA, which is also something you should be taking, but it is safe for everyone. So luckily one of our partners, he specializes in all of this and he dealt with infertility with his wife. So he's like extra knowledgeable. We brought in a nurse.

We have a lot of studies, a lot of data to back it. And with Molo, obviously this is a product, but we have a much bigger plan.'re looking to build a community there's no not really a community for women to go to who are struggling and to communicate our goal is to have nurses on standby if you have questions you can type those in you can talk to a nurse and just helping women feel not so alone so M Molo is a product, but we're really trying to build it out to educate women as well and make them take back control of their fertility.

I love it. Yeah, so. That's awesome. Very cool, guys. Yeah, we're really excited. This is something I'm super passionate about, obviously, dealing with infertility and with the infertility numbers on the rise, women having kids later. I think it's really important that

as women we know what we can do to give our bodies the best chance of successfully staying pregnant. Wow. So that's really cool. This is exciting. I got an idea. There's such a need for products like this. This is really cool. Speaking of pregnancy. We still have the results but I have one quick question Also do you mind if I ask, do you still have embryos? We do, we have a few. So are there plans for, this is so soon to be asking that. Which is like ridiculous, but. Right now we are good.

We're gonna wait and make sure baby number two is healthy and then we'll figure it out. I mean, never say never, but I think we're you know we're so grateful to be able to have two that we're just like we're not even thinking there yet but you know who is you guys because you're the one who took a pregnancy test. What is he supposed to be looking for? On there? One line is or no line or one line? This is 99% accurate accurate too this is like whatever this says fingers cross baby okay accurate Matt okay here we go wait so I'm looking at what am I looking for oh my gosh wait this is what

okay all right who has never opened the pregnancy one. I like him doing this. Matt's reading the instructions. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's very clear. It's very clear. Okay, I mean, Matt, it's right there. I'm trying to let him do it himself.

I feel like I'm doing a COVID test right now. Okay, okay, all right. Matt, why aren't you just telling us? So this pregnancy test, it says positive would be... Wait, what? Positive is two lines. Okay, okay, all right. Matt, why don't you just tell them? So this pregnancy test, it says positive would be... Wait, what? Positive is two lines,

negative is one line, invalid is no lines. Okay. I'm a little worried that it's invalid. Oh no! You'll have to do it again on your next podcast! Okay, stay tuned! I mean, it could be a lot of things here. Let's pull the strip out, guys. So if they're... Wait, control line and test line and he really is worried. I feel like can you just read it for me? I'm just it's

a photo. It's just it's one line or two. Okay here we go. Ladies and gentlemen we're here we go. We're about to find out if Matt and Abby are pregnant. Dang it. We're negative. Yeah we're negative. Are you sure? We're negative. Are you sure? Not positive. Hold on, what? Hold up, this is what it looks like. But people can't even see it. I think it's invalid to be- oh, you're supposed to put it in a cup?

Did you not put it in a cup? No. Oh, you didn't do it right? I didn't do it right. Matt, you didn't- Abby! I'm not gonna go in there with her. It says to move it.

It's kind of an awkward situation. It says you're supposed to dip it in a cup. See, I didn't have a cup. All right, so. Wait, wait, wait. To be continued on another cup. I just meant, I just weren't gonna lead this with you. You know something, you have to do a stream of like three seconds.

Okay, we'll have to do, we'll have to retest, but it looks like Abby did the test process wrong. She didn't read the instructions. It's invalid. It's invalid. Sorry, guys. Wait, that one's on me. We're hoping to have some, that would've been crazy. That's gonna be like your teaser at the beginning of the video. You teaser to begin the video yeah you guys we'll have to take another one

because you need a cup and we need a dip it I think you have another podcast you have to do okay TV continue now we have pregnancy test for we need to follow these results are inconclusive and I saw a faint line well this was great you guys are wonderful I can't wait for August. Yes. Okay, can we plan a playdate after that? Please. Let's go. We love playdates.

And a proper pregnancy test. Yeah.