The Vergecast - CES 2015, Day 0

Episode Date: January 6, 2015

CES is here, and the Vergecast has come along with it. Join Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Chris Plante on a journey through the show's biggest news. We’ve got cars, the Internet of Things, smart TVs, and more forklifts than we ever anticipated being on the podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey everybody and welcome to the Vergecast at CS 2015. I am Nealai Patel. I am Deeter Bone. I'm Chris Plant. I have to tell you this is extremely weird. Yeah. What is happening right now. If you are like most people and you are listening to this in your car,

what I want you to imagine is that don't close your eyes, but mentally close your eyes. No, actually close your eyes. Let's see what happens. Yeah. Let's see if self-driving cars can save you now. We are on what is a primarily deserted CES show floor. So the Verge has a booth at CES this year. It is pretty rad.

We're right next to Polaroid. We're right next to Sony. It's like our chill spot. It's at the end of CES. Amazing graphics on our TVs. We have leather couches. So every other day of the show, we're going to do the Verge cast here in front of people. Presumably.

But today was such a busy day. we actually waited to do it until after the Sony keynote and after the Samsung keynote and nothing is happening here. The show hasn't officially opened. The Sony thing is over, basically, and we are just alone at CES.

I mean, we made the right choice because here during the day, it was like Thunderdome. There were just like little yellow vehicles flying about with their prongs. Oh, the people driving the forklifts? They are... There's a rally school for forklifts.

Clif drivers before you can come and be a forklift driver in Vegas. It's got to do stunts. Like drifting the forklifts. I have to believe that those forklift drivers, when they go to school to learn how to do it, speaking of. There's one right there. There we go. They're coming for us at all times. They have like literal human dummies.

Yeah. That they hang up. No, no, not that they're swarving. That they are on their last day, they impale them so they can get it out of their system. Just to know what it feels like. Yeah. You must, you must want to. No, it's like cell phone companies.

They test the, like, the jelly, filled fake heads for radiation. Forklift drivers just stabbed the heads. Guys, do you want some of that classic Chris Plant video game color commentary? Yeah? So Sega before it died, made this game called Chinmoo, and it was like, the big open world game. It's going to have everything in it. You can go to a capsule toy machine and get capsule toys.

Best level in the game? Forklift driving. 25-minute-long forklift races. Sega knew what people wanted. Yeah, and that's why it closed. Okay, so we're at CS. A million things happen today. A million things happened.

Here's what I know, actually, about Deeter. Deeter's mindset. Hi. Deeter. What's up? Deeter has spent most of the day in the trailer. Yeah. And he's losing it.

Oh, God. Completely losing it. The one time I left the trailer. He's so excited to interact with people. And had no internet. I just sat there and tried to get online for an hour. He was real mad. Okay.

So, CS was very busy today. It's what we call CS Day Zero. Wait, what was yesterday? Negative one? No, yesterday. Today is zero. Tomorrow the show floor opens. That's day one.

For real, it's like the world. Yeah. So this is zero. And the reason for that, it's a super simple reason, for all these booths to be open and full of stuff that you can go look at, they have to announce it first. Right. So all the press conferences are today, and then tomorrow the show floor is opening and go look at stuff.

So this morning started out, like, bright and early, right? with, what was it? God, it was like a million years ago. I'm going to look at our schedule. Was it a Seuss? No, Seas was later. Last night was in a video. What was it?

It was. I'm sure it had like a self-driving car in it. It was so long. Samsung and Sony and BMW guys, this is like literally everyone who was driving the car and didn't die when they closed their eyes has fallen asleep and now crashed. Today

Today started with LG at 8 a.m. LG. Yeah. Okay, so it's LG. I will say getting hype for washing machines at 8.m. LG introduced today what I would call a baby washing machine. It's the best. It goes under your regular washing machine.

Oh, if you don't wash a baby. You don't wash your baby. Well, it is about the right size. Your baby can use this washing machine. That's a cute little advertisement. The idea is you put your, you know, regular load in. Like, oh, God, I got to wash my delegates. you put your delicates in there so you can get them done faster.

It's two washing machines. LG also had a refrigerator in which the doors the refrigerator have their own doors. Yeah. For quick access. Sure. To things in the doors. Do you know what I think is quick access? Innovative dual door.

One door. Yeah. That's usually... No, LG and Samsung both went super hard on appliances today in extremely strange ways, which I appreciate. Because here's what I know. And here's my theme of the show. Here's my number one theme.

of CS, which is that gadgets are finally back. You stole that from me? No, you said Gizmos and Gizmos is an invalid word. Gizmos is the name of like an 80s movie about like a band of wind-up toys that tries to save a world. Gizelow is the name of the Gremlin and Gremlin. Right. What is the difference between the Gizmo

and a gadget? If you cannot elucidate the difference in a gizmo and a gadget, then you should not be so dismissive of the word Gizmo because it's perfect. Here's what I believe. One, you have I haven't talked to enough people today. I think that is true.

Damn it. You've been alone for too long today. No. Our trailer, the inside of our trailer is like, it waxes and wanes. There's like bursts of energy and then like extreme typing sounds. And I think Dieter, you spent too much time in typing.

But here, Gizmo versus Gaget. I think a gadget is, it has weight. It has meaning. It Gizmo is like a trinket. That's my feeling. Based on nothing more than the sound of the. that you can have a serious gizmo. I think a gizmo is a thing,

a gadget is like a thing that's like whatever. I think we're about to have a serious gizmo. Yeah. A serious gizmo definitely sounds like... I'm like a drink. Like a drink with Grenaddy did. A device with a serious gizmo factor. I'm moving on.

Okay. You're welcome. Well, let me finish my theme, which is gadgets are back. Damn it. You can gizmo it up. No, no. In this, I think this is like huge to understand all of CES this year,

which is 2007, right before the iPhone came out, Windows just poised to conquer the world and everything was going to connect to a Windows computer and the notion of internet connectivity everywhere and all the platforms completely understand the internet was like a bolt on to Windows and a bolt on to OS9 and a bolt on to OS10 in some ways. And then the iPhone disrupted the PC platforms

and the iPhone was not powerful enough and early versions of Android were not powerful enough to let all that other stuff that was going to happen happen. So then everyone just tried to make phones and tablets and that was garbage. It basically CS for years. Yeah, it wasn't, most of it was garbage, but what it was was they, like, they were just, they lost.

They could not keep up with the lead that Apple and Google made. Garbage. They made garbage and lost, which is fine, like you do. Yeah. But it's true, right? They couldn't win, like, all the other companies. Polaroid tried to make phones here for a year. Yeah, they were garbage.

I would say that most of it was garbage. There were some people that had, like, systemic things working again. Right, but like the main point is that like nobody else can win. C.D.S 2010 was like a sea of crappy Android 2.2 tablets. Yes. Right? And like they weren't even licensed by Google. Yeah. And like Honeycone came out and there was like a sea of crappy.

And that was all fine, but that wasn't the thing that you needed to make. Right. What you needed to have happen was iOS and Android and the cloud services to all like combine and be powerful enough for this universe of other stuff to happen again. And then on top of that, because there's this huge drive to put sensors and wireless and make wireless not cost a lot of battery and phones those chips got really cheap and really like power efficient and now you can just be like yo i want to make a coffee maker i can just put a wifi chip and a temperature sensor in it and that will connect to a cloud

service and the iphone will be smart or your android phone will be the smart thing and that means like what samsung wants to rule the world with internet things is really just like we're just back to like gadgets yeah but what's great about they don't they don't USB connect to your computer anymore They're like Wi-Fi to a cloud. Or they just, they do their own thing and maybe they Bluetooth to a phone. But you can just take a thing that did one thing and a thing that did another thing and stick them together. It's like my favorite gadgets from yesterday, it was like there's a bike pedal that turns your bike into a smart bike. That's cool.

Right? Just like, yeah. That's just like cool. Like, oh yeah, of course we should do something like that. Like you don't need it, but it's like a fun gadget. It feels like CES before the iPhone, honestly. feels like what CES was. I was Christmas shopping

and I was at Best Buy and I was like, there's cool stuff at Best Buy. Like in a weird, I'm not going to buy most of it way because all of it is fitness trackers, but it's here. And it's relatively cheap. And so if you're like,

I can't think what to get Uncle Joe, but Uncle Joe will be like, oh, hey, headphones that like track my head motion. But Uncle Joe's too dumb to know what's going on. I know we're going to talk about the internet of things like every day this time. But I still, I don't know.

I think there's a lot of. assumptions going around that all this stuff just works. I mean, you just said just works. And I, I don't believe it. I mean, I believe it for us, right? When I picture my parents who, like, can barely get on to their own Wi-Fi network, I love you Ken and Kathy, but we have trouble sometimes with that. And then imagining them trying to figure out how to do that and dial it in with something that doesn't even have a screen on it or has like a tiny small screen, like a coffee maker. Yeah.

That sounds like a nightmare for most people. And they're just going to say, I just want a normal coffee machine. And I know that we'll come around and get to that. But this feels a little like early hype. It feels like. No, I think that was last year. That's what I'm saying. Like, there was a moment last year and the year before where to solve the problem of how do we make this coffee machine smart, what they did was like bolt a crappy Android smartphone to the back of it.

Yeah. Like that was the answer. Like here's a reference board for media tech that runs Android 2.2. and now your coffee machine is smart and it's going to run like an embedded app on old Android and that was never going to work like I literally don't let my parents

I don't allow them to expose themselves to new software like it terrifies me my parents want a smart lock I'm like no because what you really want is an app that I will have to walk you through and like that we're not going to put access into your home at that level

of comp like that's too much but now what I'm saying is you don't have to you're not doing that anymore all the software offers on your phone and all that's happening on all these devices is a little bit of wireless connectivity and a little bit of like sensor stuff yeah and so like to get that coffee maker on your Wi-Fi network you just configure it on the phone censor stuff I'm very excited to see all of it as someone who still doesn't get my remote control to work right so we should talk about what

actually happened here today um he said hominously do we can we talk about a couple more gizmoses before we get into like the big ass companies there was yesterday we actually saw a lot That CES unveiled, which is like the little company show before the show, before the show. I actually finally figured it out. I finally figured out what CES unveiled is. All right. So the show, press conference stays today and the show opens tomorrow. So most media gets in yesterday.

Like we come in like, I was here in October, right? Like we came in way like really early and like set up when we have a trailer. Most people arrive yesterday in the afternoon and they immediately go from the airport to unveiled where they're starving. Yeah. And so the C.E.A. sets up food and booze in like somewhat extravagant fashion, which we don't, we don't take. Partake. Because ethics and video game journalism. But many, many people arrive at the airport go and they just like gorge themselves and like free shrimp.

And then that's how they get exposed to the little companies. Right. So we've always looked at this all wrong. Like we go there for news. other people are going there for sliders. Dude, we got good news out of that. We did. I got a CBO box.

Yeah, yeah. Tell me about that. Okay, so the OBOX is... Snail games. Snow games, man. I got to dig more into snail games because they're the strangest company. Chinese game developer,

kind of, made browser games starting in 2000. And they're like, hey, you know what? Apple has disrupted the entire landscape. Video games are not going to make money because free to play is the whole thing. And we can't just be on browsers. So they started making mobile games.

games, and they're like, hey, you know what makes this easier? Making the hardware that will be optimized for this. And then they were like, you know it would be even easier than that? Becoming a telecom and becoming the fifth largest mobile telephone provider in China, which like fifth, I mean, it's like 2% in the market or something. That's a lot of people. That's a ton of people. So then they're like, oh, this was so easy, apparently doing whatever we wanted.

Let's do something so, so easy. Let's launch a video game console in America. and a handheld in the same year. Right. So they're launching OVox, which is like an Android console, but it's like the most absurdly souped up version of that, even though it's running on,

uh, Invidios K1, which just got kind of replaced. So we'll see if they stick with that. By the way, the X is because of Maxwell. Uh, carry on.

I'm surprised that you heard that in that entire thing. Invidios' press conference was very long yesterday, and that was but one of many ridiculous things that were said. Yeah. I'm going to write the blog post that's like stop putting X in your brand name. Yeah. Stop just using letters. But yeah, so I mean the cheapest version of it they think will be like $99,

which is interesting because it also displays 3D and 4K video. So potentially this could be your Netflix 4K video streaming thing. None of this is going to happen. The thing is not going to come out on time. It's going to be buggy. It's going to run Android. The games are going to suck because it runs Android. It's going to crash and burn.

I'm sorry. Wow. A lot of people are going to hear that the wrong way. They're going to hear that you said it's going to fail because it runs Android. Which is what Deeter says. Android gaming consoles are doomed. They're doomed. They're inherently doomed because gaming on Android is inferior to gaming on any other platform.

Guys, I'm going to give you a little bit of a PEPTock. There's a little CES PEPTock. Ready? I come from the game space. I know full well. happen to say Android things. But when something does something interesting, I like to at least humor it and give it the benefit of the doubt.

It's very interesting. It's very interesting. Second thing, though. By the way, benefit of the doubt plant, my favorite plant. After I talked to you, you know what I did? I called up my father this morning, and he loves technology. He downloads so much freeware. And he was like, boy, oh boy, he talks like this.

He was like, boy, oh boy, Gigali. You're at CES. I'm so gosh, dang proud of you? And there's technology. And have you seen all the new things? There's a lot of it. Ford. Yep. He's my favorite person. But like that, I was like, yeah, I need to be, I need to give these things a chance.

And that's why I want to talk about the other thing that they showed. Yeah. The W3D, which I'm going to be really honest about who this is very clearly for. It is a Vita, essentially, that runs Android, and it has four buttons on the top. So you have all four bumpers. Oh, yeah. I know. There's only one person in the world who's going to play this, and they're going to buy guillions of them. And those are people who emulate games illegally. and whatever money they lose on the O-box,

I'm sure they're going to do a fair amount of business on that because it is clearly designed from top to bottom to make that an enjoyable experience. That's great. So for those people, you're the fifth largest Chinese phone manufacturer. You are going to already be Googling W3D. So, Neely, what's your favorite gadget,

gadget that you've seen so far? Not Gizmo, actually, Gizmo. God, this is fine. Favorite gadget. You keep litigating these words and don't know what they mean. I just know that yours sounds dumber. Well, gadgets are cruddy because, like, Inspector Gadgett and stuff never works. Yeah, you tell me you, I don't...

No, I haven't, I haven't even mentioned it yet. I haven't seen anything yet, but do you tell me yours is? My favorite, I haven't seen it person, but my favorite thing is the Band-Aid that you stick on your baby when it has a fever, and it lasts about a 24 hours, and it just, you can just check the app, check your baby's temperature whenever you want, and, or you can just set it to, like, make your phone beep if it changes radically. So for parents that want to freak out and check their baby's temperature all the time and they've got a fever and they're really nervous about it. You just stick this bandit on your baby

and chill out. You don't have a child, right? No, it's an amazing idea. This is a really... Be warned. Deerely surreptitiously checking your temperature. In terms of like weird little... In terms of technology getting cheaper

and that making people's lives better, this is a perfect example. But I will say this. Liz and Ariel constantly remind me that all these wearables and all these sensors and all this quantified self stuff is like heaven for complete like obsessive,

consulsive hypochondriac. Oh my gosh. Like Ariel's like up in arms about health kit and how you can't delete it from the iPhone because she's like this will just enable like if you are like a crazy parent like a modern 2010's parent A parent.

You'll just have one of these things on your kid all the time. You will literally just swaddle your kid in like censor later band aids. There's not enough skin for more. wearables. You know what I'll say? We should we can talk about Sony because we're sitting right. We're sitting in the shadow of the Sony booth. I literally, I covered, I live

logged the Sony keynote and then walked here and sat down and we started verge casting. Yeah. So we might as we might as well talk about Sony, which is the last thing that happened. So my favorite gadget so far and only for what it stands for, not for necessarily what it is, is Sony's 4K TV,

which is ridiculously thin. It is, the demo they're giving is they're walking around with chapstats. and the TV at the top is thinner than the part of the chapstick that you turn at the bottom. Like, it's ridiculous. And they keep holding up phones and be like, see how crappy your phone is? Our TV's thinner than it, which is the best. I don't know why that's a valid comparison, but it fills everyone with glee.

But here's the thing about that. So the hardware's beautiful, the picture is great, 4K, all this stuff. Sony just threw out their software. Right. They just stopped. Like, the one thing Sony has always needed to do, just stop. Just stop. And all of their new TVs just run Android TV.

Yeah. Which is cool. And they knew it too because when they said it, there was kind of tepid claps. And he was like, you can clap. Like, we did this for you. We're not using any of that junk on those other TVs. Yeah, it was amazing. It's like, they finally did it.

And like, it's a little, I played with one. It's obviously a little bit buggy. It's like brand new. Yeah, Android TV is a little buggy. But I think Google TV was a huge. Forklift. There's a huge failure. Google TV is a huge failure.

By the way, if I'm ever murdered, that will be the sound. of my murder. Like, not like a terribly scary sound and not like a... Go impale a dummy guys. Just sort of a dull beeping that indicates peril is at hand. And then I'll like, I'll screw it up. I like that you think a warning signal means peril is at hand. What else is?

It's designed to warn you. That's what it is. You are literally that character in Austin Power. It's like backing up. He's like, please get out of the way and you're like, oh, peril is at hand. finally an Austin power to joke in 2015. Man.

God. I'm telling you, man. I'm just saying that would be how I die. I'm saying that would be the sound. Sure. Have you ever thought about the ambient sound environment

of your own mortality? Who doesn't? What are we talking about? It doesn't matter. I think we're talking about TV. I'm going to say Android doesn't suck. That's all. That's the whole thing.

So what you're excited about is the software on it. What I'm excited about, in general, our hearts filled with terror once again. What I'm excited about, can we even keep going? The problem is you never know which one of those sounds is going to be when they kill you. Are our microphones picking up the beeping?

Because if they're not, we sound like, 100% sure they're picking up the beeping. I see John's face, and John's face tells me that we screwed it up again. Yeah, well, one year, CES won't be loud. CS 2016, the quiet one. After Eli died to that noise, everything was just so quiet. CS-4016, permanent headphone rave. God.

What would you may say? Yes, yes. Software. No, I'm saying. The platforms are extended down to all the screens, right? So, like, they gave up on the software and they're just using the mature platform. Can I be honest with you, though? It's kind of like having a TV that runs Windows.

Yeah, but... So here's the thing. Like two years from now, the processor will be slow. The problem with that is giving up and using somebody else's software. platform only like Sony's not good at making its own software it's not always good at using somebody else's and

example a exhibit exhibit A is the Walkman yeah the new Walkman is running a two year old version of Android I really wanted that too much you got it wrong it's $1,200 So there's a new Walkman the

NW2 I would say it's my favorite gadget here for only because it is so ridiculous. It is such an audacious thing to make. So I have this other theory that the 90s are back in every which way. And this gadget proves, not because it's called a Walkman, but because Sony believes it can launch a new high-end audio format, which is basically what Sony tries to do every decade.

Yep. So in the 90s was SAT CD, Super Audio CD. And I had one, I had one Sony, like a home theater in a box and I was in college. and I had one super audio CD. What was it? I don't even remember. Yes, you do. No, I don't.

I honestly don't remember. I'm pretty sure it was like a rolling game. It was not. It was C and C Music Factory. Yeah, like you just you've literally just named two bands that no amount of additional, like, audio resolution can, like, reveal anything.

It was T-Rex. Yeah. No, I think it was like some like old like Rolling Stones, like B-side collection, right? It's like the free CD that comes with a home theater and box. They didn't pay a lot for it. And I just remember being like, man, those guitar tinkles, they're so crisp.

And then I never bought another at Super Audio CD. But I was like, I was like, check out this one CD I have. It was awful. And that's what this Walkman is. It's a Walkman. They invented a new thing, HXE or DXE. It doesn't even matter what the letters are. But they have an X in them.

It's super expensive Megabase. It's an audio upscaler that you can make MP3s in your $1,200 walkman sound really good. if you have the $3,000 headphones that will make use and no high-res audio is like that's Sony's thing and they're like all they have this whole line of products they made a big announcement about how the

CEA and everyone else with the CEA all the number companies are going to support the same logo so consumers really know that it's high-res this was part of the keynote today they said it on stage I'm sorry they brought 3,000 journalists to Vegas and sat them down in a room with like a big circular screen

above them and first they talked about the interview and then they talked about 4K and then they talked about cameras and they and they've landed on and we're all going to use the same logo for our super high-end audio format and then looked expectantly upon us and he's like and then $1,200 walkman we got that from samsung too they announced the uh-d alliance can we okay we can stop talking about sony there's whatever i i have one thing i want to hit because it strikes me as funny that you care about software on a tv and it's because i don't know why it matters. Because I have a TV that I am obsessed with.

As we've talked about, I have the last line of the Panasonic TVs. I think it's a perfect television. You have the higher end one than I. It's ZT. 60s. I think it is absolutely perfect, and I can never imagine getting rid of it at this point. And what I did with it, because I bought a nice TV, is I have my own separate sound. I'm not going to use the junkie sound in it.

And I'm also not going to use any junkie software in it. I play the computer into it. Do you use the camera that pops up? No. I won't use anything but the TV. Right. That's what I want. Grant, Panasonic makes a nice panel. They make a great TV. And that's what a TV is.

And it seems funny to me that we know, like, the sound's going to be junky on a TV if we're buying a nice TV. So it gets surround sound. But then when it comes to the computing angle, why people would want a computer inside of the TV, when they can just hook a relatively affordable computer up to a TV, and it works magnificently. And I've written about this on the site.

Having a computer connected to your TV changes everything about having a TV. It is, I mean, it was a total revelation in how I used my TV. and what it's connected to and what services I use and how those services are actually reliable. You can't. That idea has been tried so many. Like that first Microsoft tried it for real. And they were like, nope, bad idea. Then Google tried it with Google TV.

And they're like literally almost killed Logitech. Like Google was like, I'm holding a snife. Would anyone like me to stab them? And Logite was like, that sounds like a great direction for our business to go in. And Google was just like stab. Like they were just like fundamentally the problem with your vision is nobody wants a keyboard on their car. coffee table. Because none of the keyboards are cool enough.

That's it. Whatever. I admit that there are some cool keyboards. I will concede such a thing. I guess what I'm saying is as somebody who actually knows or has tried the experience and knows it's better, it just seems weird to concede that it's an exciting thing, even though it's crappier.

No, I think that here's a thing. So, to get really nerdy, it's about where the software lives. It's not about having a computer on your TV. about where does your software live and how fast is it age and where does it get updated? And is it going to crash and why is it going to crash? And is it a hardware behind it fast enough to run it? And having a computer next year to TV. It's a company that supports it going to update it.

Right. And so like the best answer that anybody's had so far has been something like Airplay or Chromecast where all the software like kind of lives on your phone or elsewhere and you like send stuff to the TV. Yeah. What all you're saying is all the software's going to live on a PC and we're going to send it over. It's like whatever. That is like, that's not an integrated solution. So either you go all the way down the this is a dumb panel or you find some way to make the smart panel.

Actually, I think I can understand it. Why doesn't anybody sell a dumb panel? Just give me a dumb panel with no speakers, no nothing. I just want a panel. Because we're not the market. And I want five HTML inputs. That's all I want. This makes more sense to me now that I think about it because then what you're saying is the Android thing is optional in the same way the sound is optional.

There's still sound on my TV, even though it's a laughable idea that I'm going to use it. The Android thing's there, but I can still use my computer and so have a superior experience. So, I'm going to transition us right into Samsung, which is the other big set of announcements today. So Sony announced a bunch of stuff. I mean, I think Sony's big announcement was all of their new TVs are running under a TV. Then they announced some, like, smart glasses, nonsense, weird Sony thing. Then they announced a bunch of obviously internet of things, things. like a light

a lamp that's a speaker yeah a proprietary vertical firing speaker the glass of the lamp that's the tweeter because it vibrates I mean like that's what I mean by gadgets are back like they're just whole hog into like weird gifts weird weird gifts

there's a lamp that's a speaker right also there are so many in that good hall have you seen those Marley headphones yeah yeah those are nice they look nice I have like shocked how nice they're good also if you catch it at a right at the right time, Marley's kids, or he has a thousand kids, they're actually there and they're just hanging out talking about headphones. Let me float a dark theory that the reason that everybody's finally making weird gadgets again and weird gifts again is because they're waiting for the economy to turn around.

Like, oh, well, now people actually buy this stuff. Yeah. Sure. I mean, maybe. Or they just have an opportunity to make something that connects to something that's used. I mean, the whole point of this is all of these things are only enabled by phones. Right? Like you need to have a phone to like make some of these things work. Do you know it's kind of funny about it?

When you think about like the gift economy, right, is that for the past probably six years, the junk that you always got from your grandparents was like something that connected to your phone but was garbage. Yeah. Where it's like, oh, I guess I need this like wrap around my phone that looks like a puppy dog. And now it's an evolution of that to the extreme where it's like, yeah, these still are kind of connected to my phone. The phone is like the safe base for all companies are like, okay, it connects to a phone. no people will buy it, but we're actually making a guitar. It's like, great, cool.

But who, thank goodness it connects the phone. I mean, today Lenovo put out a flash for selfies. Like, that is the ultimate, like, I don't really care about you gift, but I had to spend $40. Yeah. And I think people will happily buy that gift. I'm going to buy one of those. If there was a way to make the nice camera on the back of my phone be my selfie camera. Oh, there are.

There's, well, there's phones that they flip around. It's got a motor around. Oh, yeah. I've seen that. That's the Opo? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My computer. I like it.

So, Samsung. Let's do Samsung, because I think that's important. So, you, you watched the keynote. Yeah. I was out and about. It was, it was a standard Samsung CES keynote. Well, I mean, but Samsung had a crazy-ass party last night with, like, girls and LED dresses floating a pool. Yeah, so they got their weird out there at the crazy-ass party.

What? I don't think Samsung ever gets it's weird. Okay. I don't think such a thing is possible. You never say that phrase again? I don't think Samsung ever gets sweared out. Today, Samsung introduced a line of stoves to thunderous orchestral music. Yeah.

Like, that's just who they are. Actually, the stove's got this insane cool door or, like, you can open the top of it, and there's, like, the top section of the stove, so it's efficient. Everything in CES has two doors. Or, no, no, but it's the same doors for the biggest trend of appliances. It's the same door. You can hinge it here, or you can open the whole door. Oh.

And this is the door your cell phone control. Yeah. What? All right. Let's go through Samsung. I mean, clearly, they had the new stove. They had the new washing machine. Just say the letters.

S-apostrophe, U-H-D. Sud. Soud. Soud. What happens when you rub the soap together in the bath? Really unclear. So we showed up. I tell you what.

They look great. Sure. But Sam-S. So we showed up in like, CS is not a coy environment. Like Vegas is not a, like, for a place that's all about like, hiding your cards. Like Vegas is not about hiding your cards at all.

So all the banners are up when we get here. All the, whatever, the gigantic wall coverings are here. And Samsung just has like billboards everywhere that it's like the most seduct. They're like fake movie billboards. And they're like the most seductive TV in the world starring 4K content from Netflix. And it's like what? And there's like a silhouette of a man.

And it's like, you don't understand what the word seductive means. Yeah. Just first inform. They don't understand a few different words. We posted on our site. Modesty. What was it? Shearing.

Shearing. So, yeah, there's nine. Do you have that post up? I'm looking it up right now, actually. Method for preparing an ink. So S. Apossoyoshi, the most seductive TV in the world, which is... So it's U.HD. Ultra High-D. So my proposed headline, I'm just going to say this.

John, you might have to bleep this. My proposed headline for the post where we revealed that Samsung had these post. was simply that, okay, I'll tone it down for the kids. Because we're also there's... You want me to bleep it? No, no. I'm just running microphones in a hallway. I'll bleep. No, no, it's not that. It's that there are, we're in our space, and there are speakers. Yeah. People can hear us. For our audience that isn't here. And so if I just said out loud, John is literally staring right through you. Samson wants to fuck.

Wait, you get to finish the sentence. You get to say Samson wants to fuck. Look, Sam, you could have just... Samsung wants to you, but you just had to say the word. You just really wanted to say the word. But I couldn't finish it. I couldn't. I didn't deliver. You didn't say the other words.

The words after the words. There's only four words. I thought Samsung wants to do your TV. Yeah, no. It's not, yeah. Samson wants to bone you. That's what I believe in my heart. Samsung wants you to bone the TV.

Yeah, so it's unclear who is seducing who in this relationship. And also why the TV has the agency by which you get seduced. Or the name. It sounds like a Batman villain. Just like you see it and you're like sued. What's insane is that they can't decide what the S stands for. Right. So the S literally does not stand.

It doesn't stand for Samsung. We confirmed that it's not Samsung. Floating around in pools with neon lights on them and just insanity. And they had signposts. And the S stands not for Samsung, but for special. or perhaps striking. Yeah. Keep on.

Or perhaps sensational. Or seductive. Still, just unclear. Smart. Stylish. Superb. Spectacular. And?

Shuring. It's shuring. Read the definition of shirring. Hang on. Confirm for me that the word shuring was actually somewhere because I'm pretty sure they probably meant stirring. I'm pretty sure what they actually meant was Samsung.

So there's an alternate definition to shoring other than the one we have here. So you say this one first and I'll... Shoring. Noun. Baking shelled eggs. Now, I think I think, and this is digging deep,

this is high school clothing lab, but I believe there's a sewing technique or a stitching technique where it's two lines next to each other. It's also shuring. Right. That does not justify it Maybe the TV is finished

With like that like contrast stitching Doesn't Occam's razor demand That it was supposed to be stirring And they screwed it up when they printed it? I want to believe it's showing If you're gonna hire Eves Behar To design your TV And you're gonna name it sued

Dude you don't copy edit the press release I do not care What that TV is called It does look nice. It looks really good. I would film that TV. I came in to CES thinking that... I would see it across the room.

You make eyes at it. Make eyes at it. Here it is. You're running... Is that a 21-9 aspect? I'm going to make a bold statement. Okay. Is it bolder than me saying I would bone the TV?

I believe in quantum pixels. I don't... Is that a... Yep. You're real mad. I prefer the skit. Chris and I were doing about how I slowly walk across the room. Kids in the hall over here.

And then say the TV. So, Josh Lonson put up a really good post. This is happening. This is happening all the CES. Nobody at CES is saying peep about 3D. And it's... That's like two years ago. Awesome.

It was last year, too. We had it last year, a little bit. Yeah, but it was well and dead last year. And now it's all VR or whatever. But everybody's... Now it's like whatever... They're just doing picture quality. All they're dumb ways to look at stuff.

They're just doing future quality. LG is doing OLED because they're... dumb. What if the real theme of CES is dumb ways to look at stuff? But so quantum pixels I like do some chemically magical things to make LCDs like suck a little bit less and look a little bit more like plasma. And it kind of works. At least it works in like they're controlled. Look at how awesome our TV looks.

Right. Environment. It looks good. I'm not sold on curved TVs. No, Curvees are garbage. I am sold on area of improvements to LCDs until they just are better. No, and I think that's like that's clearly the future, right?

Yeah. The only company pushing OLED TVs here is LG. And that's because they own OLED factories. And they're like, what do we do with these? We finally got there, guys. And like, let's just make the TVs. And then we can pack it up and go. But no, the quantum dots, like, they're figuring out how to make LCD do all the stuff that, like, they're black levels of plasma.

The other interesting thing that's happening here, it's not going to get there, Chris. I feel your pain. But the other interesting that's happening here is last year we did a bunch of reports on, high dynamic range TVs and Dolby Vision, where the brights are so much brighter than they usually are. And Netflix and Sony are partnering. Netflix is going to deliver HDR movies to Sony TVs sometime this year. So it gets us to a place where you can see what's going to happen

is that 4K TVs this year will be $1,000. David keeps telling me that 4K TVs are now table stakes. No one talks about their TVs being anywhere at 4K. Right. Everyone's, that's like, that's the TV you can buy now for $1,000. Next year those TVs will be $200. Next, the year after that, whatever. So the next thing they're desperately searching for, the next 3D is HDR.

And you know what? I am way happier about that than I was about 3D. Yeah. I think HDR and quantum pixels? No, quantum pixels are like, that's like you go from LED LCD to like local dimming. Like quantum pixels are just the next generation of that. Yeah. HDR is the next 4K or the next 3D or whatever.

Because you're not, they've spent four years chasing their tails trying to deliver 4K content. And like literally what Sony came up with today was like the Goldbergs will be shot in 4K some episodes. It's like, Sony, you make the cameras and you own the studio. You should really be able to put this together. Yeah. But like, so that's finally happening. So they're not going to go to another like resolution boost soon, but they will definitely come to a place where they can do

HDR because dynamic range is easier to control for. I'm just curious, the content is still the issue, and I know they're talking about all this upraising, basically, for the content you have, and I want to see more of it. Obviously, that's not what they're going to want to show. They want to show you 4K content on 4K

TVs. Right. But if that uprising looks anything like basically upraising anywhere else, money is what I'm expecting. I want to see it before I give too much of a judgment. But I don't know. It doesn't sound appealing to me to have a 4K TV if I'm not watching mostly 4K content. Right. And I think that's the, you know, there's another thing that's happening here, which is like DISH Network announced.

Finally, they're selling a cable subscription over the internet with ESPN included. Although Peter Kafka reported in Recode today, and I have every reason to believe him that that deal. So it's 20 bucks a month to get like... ESPN and a bunch of other channels, but the ones... The one that matters is ESPN. It's the first time you can just buy ESPN and have it to you delivered in an app. But the deal with DISH is that if they get too many subscribers, ESPN can cancel the deal. It's capped.

Right? So it's like inherently an experiment for ESPN to like figure out what that market looks like and how the streaming works and all the stuff. But if they get like too many subscribers, they can just be like, nope, we're done. Like that is the number. We're not at it. You cannot have any more because it's too much of a threat to their existing business model. But that's actually how The terror fills my heart.

The future is a threat to our business model. I mean, I'm just saying. Men at work, man. I, in the moments, I think Las Vegas causes you to really think about how you're all going to die one day. Yeah, like that, like just how small you are in your life. Yeah.

Because like you fly over the mountains and it's like, here's thousands of years of nature formed all this stuff. And then it's like, here's a fake pyramid next to the Eiffel Tower. This took 50 years. I want to tear it down, bitches. Like, everything we done is so small

and so fleeting. And, like, it was so hard here. And then, like, you just hear this quiet beeping in this other totally artificial environment. You're like, that's the sound of my death. Is that just me? No, I think that's fair. Like, my, look, our lives will be fleeting

and inconsequential. It's a place that makes no sense. But in the middle, everything will connect to ourselves. Thank God. That helps me for dead. Are we to talk about IoT? We should talk about IoT and we should also talk about cars. Oh, yeah.

Two topics. What do you want to do first? A.S or IOT? Well, here's what I know. A D.S or I know? You're all fired up about IOT, but I got, I've scored for AEDAS. Yeah? I got, I got.

Let's do some IOT. That's more of a cell phone connection story. IOTT stands for Internet O-things. Makes it sound much more play. And one of the biggest trends in the industry today was wrecked by St. Patrick's Day. If you're a company with Gore-than, I'm going to say 30 employees and you're presenting at CES, you are talking about the Internet of Things. Or you're trying to sell your company to Samsung. Unfortunately, the way we say it now, IOT, I hate my job. IOT.

IOT sounds better. Internet of Things doesn't sound like a really. real thing. Yeah, but IOT, it sounds like something in a capital. It's capital I, lowercase O, capital T. Yeah, like capital G, lowercase O, capital T. They're associated in with that Game of Thrones. Oh, that'd be amazing. It was just to get closer to Game of Thrones.

Two letters away. One letter away. No, G-H-I. The problem that I have with IOT and with Internet of Things in general is everybody talks about it. Did you just win an argument by yelling letters at me? game G-H-I That's a two-letter jump

I see what you're saying This is the worst I feel so bad for that person Driving the car Who didn't kill himself When he closed his eyes You made it We're still talking

I'm so sorry All right tell me The worst part of what everybody Talk about Ined of things all the time Is nobody says anything It's all really vague Everything will talk to each other

And you'll be connected And you'll always know everything and everything will always work together and it'll be great. Tell me what my coffee maker's going to do. That's all you need to do. Tell me how my lock is going to work. No, but here's Sony's problem and Samsung's problem.

Anybody else trying to do this stuff? To its credit, Samsung's making a big deal about smart things. They made that acquisition, and they're obviously funneling money into it. But what they're saying is we're going to make a bunch of hardware that's really cool because we're hardware companies at our hearts. when we're in our cars and we close our eyes

and we envision ourselves it's a hardware company in a fast car that self drives it's self drives thank you in video oh here it is I'm telling you man

it doesn't fill you with dread you know what it doesn't because I know they're doing it on purpose that is the dude is trolling the shit out of us there hasn't been a pallet on that fort with two hours all right no here's the thing

they're building all the hardware. They're ahead of the curve. And what they're... And what they're saying is what people who are shitty at software... People who are bad at software... Just for the kids. Yeah.

People who are bad at software. You don't know this, but I just pointed it John emphatically. You do realize we're also videotaping. No, most people are in their cars. They're in their car. All these companies are hardware companies. Yeah. And what hardware companies do when they're bad at software

is they close their eyes and pretend they're good at software and they come up with things that software. could do. And that's all you're hearing. It's just a vacuous nonsense. Right. About if Samsung was good at software, I bet when you walked into your house, it would know about your phone, I guess, and then turn on your computer. And then your computer would be like, yo, there's a Madonna video that I should play on the TV. And that Madonna video would then turn on all your lights. And it's like that. Made by Samsung.

Oh, that's how we got there. That's not what anyone wants. Long walk. Small glass. So Samsung announces new smart things. There's a new hub. There's new little microsensors to make your things smart that are called smart things. There's a subscription service. And they've got a bunch of partnerships. They work with August locks.

They work with the hue light bulb. They work with Honeywell. They work with something, something. But it's really obvious to me that Samsung is like, well, we've gotten as far as we can get with phones. Let's see if we can actually dominate something else the way that Apple dominated phones. and they're running at... But like, in Google, I had the same idea,

that's why they bought Nest. And Nest had a bunch of partnerships announced here, including Q bulbs and August SmartLocks. And to its credit, Samsung said, everything we do will be an open standard. Yeah, they'll let anything talk to anything. To its great fault, what they did not say was, and we have figured out a security model

that will keep you fucking safe. Yeah. Sorry, for the kids. For the kids. I mean, I will say, John just looks very angry at me. There's zero. Actually, John's just playing on his phone. And I mean, zero recognition that these things not only are, like, privacy problems, but they're also just creepy.

I'm, like, it's one thing, like, someone breaks into my internet of things mesh network and can, like, look at the cameras that are trained on my bedroom. Like, that's one level of scary. But there's a whole other... Is there another level of scary? Yes, there's a whole other level of scary, which is that there's a giant computer and a giant corporation using it to figure out when I'm going to die because it, knows my sleeping patterns, and therefore my insurance rates go up. Like, that's good. I actually think there's spying a robot actuary.

I love you. I'm just saying, I think that looking at me while I sleep is way scary than the insurance thing. But it's not like one guy. It's not like the system. I'm really worried with the system, man. I don't worry about the system. Samsung today. Man can't get me down.

Unironically. This is by my own rules. A couple of times. I stole this boost from Sony and I sorted my own cup. A slide that said, the rise of the rise of. The IOT. That's true. They did say that.

If you're a company that won does a two-hour keynote about the Internet of Things and everything in your house watching you and tracking you and doesn't talk about privacy in a really deep way. And then on top of that, you make a Terminator reference and don't even know it. I don't want you running the future of computing. That was what made me uncomfortable about that entire speech. And we talked about this a little bit beforehand. It felt like a politician trying to sell me on something that was actually bad for me. but they wanted to get through legislature.

Like it's like, this is a great thing. Thanks, Obama. And it's going to connect to everything. And your life will be so much easier. Right. Once the IOT comes in and kidnaps your wife and children. And it's like, wait, wait, wait, sorry, what was the last thing? Oh, nothing.

Life bulbs. They turn on whenever your music comes on. You're like, oh, okay, cool. Forklift, one more time. No pallets. Nope. Conspiracy. All right, one more topic.

One more topic. All right. Let's talk, Adas. Time. So Internet things is, I will say, one big trend. So there's, like, many audiences for CES keynets. Chris Grant and I were talking about this yesterday. There are many audiences for CNS keynets.

There's, like, the... And you and I were talking about it a little bit, too, yesterday. But Chris made a particular point about cars, which I thought was great. There's us, right, the press, and we're going to communicate with the audience of consumers. in the modern era with your live streams or whatnot, there's the consumers themselves, so you've got to put on a big show. Then there's like your stock analysts, I guess.

They're important. They might move some share prices around. I don't know what they do. Again, ethics and video games journalism prevents me from investing in these companies, so I will be poor forever. But your stock analysts are here in some way. Then there are like potential partners.

You want to impress them, put on a big show. And then like very like last, at the end of all of that, it's like that you put on the show for yourself, right? Right. And not only yourself, but like the one guy, the one company who holds your fate in his hands. And that person could work at your company, right?

It could be like a guy on your board of directors, or he could be like, for example, the head of engineering at Audi, who's kind of like, maybe I should buy some cameras from my new smart cars. And so every single company at CES has talked about the internet of things, which is their big consumer play.

And then they've said some crazy shit about smart cars for like the seven people. This guy's just honking now. Thank you. It's like a murderous duck is swirling by us. We're done. How is the Vergecast? Our lives ended as they began.

That's the noise I hear before I die. Bozo the clown honking. You missed the final bucket, boy. It's time to die. Okay, Bozo. Oh man, that was good. I was really building there. No, no, A-D-S.

Ad-S. What does A-D-S stand for? So all these companies are talking literally to, like, the seven CTOs of every car company or engineering chiefs or like advanced car information officer, whatever that title is at Ford and Chevy and Toyota, Audi. NVIDIA is like, we built it for you, the connected car. You, John Jones. And they just went on and on and on.

I'm staring directly at you. Terry. Scott, Sarah. In the acronym, that this industry has chosen without any consultation to any of the many branding experts or social media gurus or even just neighbors who have kind of a frat-boy sense of humor is ADAS. And it stands for advanced driver assistance systems. Yeah. That's ADAS. And everyone, every single keynote has featured like a CEO, like a master.

like a master of the universe CEO standing up there and being like we're so excited about ADAS and it's like why and supplicating Has anyone heard please please Richard buy my ATAS

and it's like all of them every single one of them like Sony today Sony's like Cozreye who I think has done a job since 2012 I think he has survived pretty constantly despite having people

who apparently just don't know security every step of the way. I mean, that's... Yeah, but his great skill might be survival. Anyway, I say this, my voice booming over the Sony booth like in the distance. Like, literally, the Sony people

are going to come over the walls now and take our small fort. Don't worry if you punch at them and hits them every time because they have no security. All I'm saying is, Kossari, who runs Sony. Big concern, right?

The man who can summon Tony Hawk just the call of a hand, which he did today. Anyway, he was, like, super excited about advancements and imaging. You know, Sony makes the best cameras. And we were thinking, where can't put those cameras? Adas. Cars are going to have cameras. What if we put our cameras in these places

and then put up an outline of a car with arrows to, like, places on a car where you might want to put cameras? He was like, Adas, we're pretty excited about it. And that was it. That was just, like, that's much. Much better, though, than InVideo, which... Oh, God. I mean, I want...

So, there was a thing that I shouldn't have been managed into, because we have work to do. But it's called Games Nuck Quickly or something like that. Sure. And people speed run games for like five days. It's one after another after another. And right when NVIDIA started, somebody was like, I'm going to do a speed run Uncharted. And the way they do it is they break through the walls. It's amazing.

Everybody should go watch it on the Internet. It's a charity, too. So go do that. But what happened was, they beat Uncharted before that thing. Nvidia, I will say InVidia, like, legendarily long, bad keynotes. Yeah.

And, like, Jensen Wong is, like, a great CEO, right? He's done an admirable job leading Nvidia. He's clearly very smart. And he just, taste in jackets. Very good. Here's what I'm going to say. If you're a man. Yeah.

And I'm guessing that you probably are because you're listening to our show. I want to change that. I want to open up. I want to broader. Oh, here we go. They want us to leave. Best one, too. and I have some troubling news,

which is that a forklift has killed Chris Plant. I'm a ghost. Zombie. Ghost plan is here. Gives less of an F than before. That's not possible. All right. Now, here's what I know about Jensen Wong.

If you're a man and you were a nerd and you're a graphics card nerd and you have reached like the pinnacle of your industry, you too, I'm guessing, would dress like you were always about to get on a Ducati. Yeah. Because that's how that dude dresses. Yeah. And it's dope. Yeah.

And then he gives the most boring keynotes of all time. I mean, like, here's what they demoed yesterday. Dude could man explain some processor chips. But here's what they demoed yesterday. And he did, I mean, many, many floating point units were killed in the making of that keynote. But they, Invidia built a system. I'll just give you one small example of how crazy this keynote was. They built an entire fake dashboard.

a fake dashboard of a car, right? Like, speedometer, it's a cometer, big... They kept saying the word infotainment in a way that just made me think, like, at any point, like a CD-ROM of, like, world capitals would be inserted into the car. Wait, there's Carmen San Diego. There she is.

Get her. And, like... My entire career has been building up to this. Slowly beeping at Carmen, San Diego. In terms of jokes, that might be the most complicated joke of all time. Anyway, yes, they showed that. So they showed this thing and playing the thing. And they added textures.

Bamboo. And then with some time lighting. Like in a world where the dominant design aesthetic is to get as flat and minimal, they're like, we can, I'm holding a chunk of carbon fiber. It's so sparkly. and I can just make this render it. I just put it here and it'll just render it up. And then like the entire dashboard turned in a sparky carbon fiber.

And instead of like pushing a button to say, make it look like carbon fiber, they like had a piece of carbon fiber with an NFC chip on it or something. And they like sent it out the dashboard. It was something. But the whole time they're- The whole time they're doing this, the fake speedometer on their fake carbon fiber car just kept flooring it to like 140 miles an hour. And it would just stay there for a while and it's like give up.

And it's like, dude, your fake car is trying to escape. It's just trying to run away from you. Adas can't take it. Yeah, dude, it got deep into the A-D-Ass game. Like, it was nice. This dude, yeah. Need some A-D-S. Can I say the craziest thing, though, that happened?

The craziest thing is... Is anyone going to disrupt the forklift A-D-S game? The craziest thing they did was not make the speedometer. Because that looks like it took like two or three days for somebody. The craziest thing they did was design an entire video game driving simulation of a parking garage. Of a parking garage. They were very clear. That's their parking garage.

Yeah, it looked really nice. And it was like a Jeep just driving around the parking garage. It was using Maxwell software. Yeah, no, the Jeep was learning to drive in the fake garage. It was puttering. What did that prove to me? So in terms of like Terminator references that like no one got, he's like, we've built a neural net processor that learns as it goes. Yeah. And it's like, first it sees part of a wheel, and then it learns

it's a wheel, and then it sees part of a car. And then that learning accelerates, and the algorithms accelerate the learning logarithmically, and soon it will know everything. And like, we can detect a crosswalk sign from farther away than you could possibly see. And it's like, dude, the next step is like, and then you see the pedestrians and then you identify them as threats, and then you launch the missiles of them. Like, that's where you're going, Nvidia, I don't think you see it. I mean, I will say the other A-D-ass thing about Invidia.

They kept on showing it how well they could detect people and bikes and things. But then the cars had, they never got to the next part, which is it, and then the car does something. Yeah. There it is. Many drivers on the road today can also detect pedestrians.

Unfortunately, our cars can only go 160 miles per hour. Welcome to the Hellscape. Looks like a human. It's time to kill. And then Qualcomm, so Qualcomm today, like, had like, I mean, just had the complete opposite of the NVIDIA experience, which is, like, the new CEO of Qualcomm's, like, he realized that Paul Jacobs, like, gave the most epic, bad CSQA of all time. So he's like, I'm just going to read numbers at you. Here are the number of field chips in my new chip line.

Like, here are the number of FPGA's, the new Snapdragon 8, and they just kept doing it. And then at the end, he's like, we think there's a lot of ADAS application. You two? Come on, man. All right. Is there anything else? This is your first, yes. Give me the wrap-up.

It's been a couple days here now. I was like a little not feeling it at first. It was a little, going to CES unveiled is truly a trial by fire. No, I'll say this is. We have a lot of new people on the verge team with us this year. We have a bunch of people who have been with us for four years. Like Brian Bishop literally left the verge, went to go work for the Holly Reporter, and then came back in time for CS.

He's never, he's never leaving, and he always has to go to CES. So we have a lot of people in doing this with us for a long time. I was actually saying this is my eighth CES, which is crazy. The first one I ever did was we weren't even staying near the convention center. We barely came here. It was strange. It was a long time ago. How many is this for you?

I think it's eight. So like, it's weird to watch new people have their first experience at this. Because to me, this is like, I understand it. I know how it's laid out. that you think after eight we'd figure out here's what I know yeah

you want more awesome I was gonna just wrap it up I was not even let you finish I want to hear more about Chris's first experience and I apologize for the messiness of this podcast and the murderousness of this forklift driver but no I think I like

I think what was like disorienting and upsetting to me about it at first was I come from where I thought were bad conferences like I always thought GDC, well, GDC is pretty nice, but I thought E3 was like a shambles of GDC, therefore must be the worst conference in the world. I was very wrong.

E3 is a masterpiece of an organization. And this is, well, one, again, I saw CS unveiled first, which is crazy town. Yeah. It's a giant hall where people are like hiding underneath like a little rafters trying to ride. There was a part of CSNvale that Case and I just started referring to as shame alley. and we refused to, like, we were like, no, not walking out. Yeah. That's where you, that's where I met the people from a free app called Jigsie, who paid,

who paid to be, who came to Las Vegas, they paid to be here, they paid to exhibit at C.S. They paid the nice lady in what I will charitably refer to as a sexy Elvis impersonator costume to be there. And then they took a selfie with us. And they said, we're going to Jigsie this and send it right over to you. And we said, what does it mean to jigsie something? and they said, we're going to turn this picture into a puzzle so that when you send it to your friend, they have to download our app to put together the puzzle

to figure out what your selfie is. And I thought to myself, that's hope. What that is, when shame looks in the mirror, what it sees is hope. I'll go off that because I think I have the same feeling, but not quite as sad, is that what I liked about even the end of Unveiled was, there are people here who made the product.

Yeah. Like, it's like a tangible thing that I can, like, touch. I mean, I wrote about the Stern Pinball machine, and I've always loved Pinball for that same reason versus even video games. It's like, wow, this is a thing. Yeah. And, like, you, like, you made this thing for me. And maybe it's something like Finball that's obvious and we'll sell.

Or maybe it's a beacon that somehow transmits to other beacons tied to cell phones without using a cell service like we saw briefly yesterday. day and like I'm never going to buy that I don't like hike enough I'm not healthy but like that's the thing that people like I am I can see like the story even if it's not real of like them being out and then getting lost and being like hey let's make this thing and they went and made that thing and then they spent a ton of money to get here and pray that that thing makes their life yeah worth living and that they have a happy life and like there's some like inner warmth in that that I don't always get at the other conferences that I go to that like

that I can touch something and see the person who made it and see them being like, do you love it? And for it to be sincere, not just like a PR person who's like, do you love it? Are you going to write about it?

Yeah. And it's like, no, I don't know. And there's people are all over here. And what's funny about it is, it's CES, unlike many other trade shows, the people who are at the booths and like around are the people who made the stuff. Like the guy who makes Sony,

He's here. He's somewhere beyond those walls. And I will find you, Cause. I will find you. Lower some rafters like sting. Baseball bat. That's all in the head. I think it's going to be good for us to do this show in the shadow of the Sony booth.

We're going to have to move to the booth around the show. We should do the next one in the shadow of the LG booth. So we're just like CES squat city outside. No, it's Samsung City. We should troll a different company every time. Samsung City is like over there. So we also should wrap up. Yes.

I don't know. Is it? Yeah, sorry. We're going to do it again tomorrow and the day after that. And then we're going to then finally this man will have his revenge. That's right. I can hear him behind me if I don't want to turn around. He got out.

He's coming for you. I'm not kidding. He got out. He's putting on gloves. I think we should have it up. That's the end of CES for today. We're going to be here tomorrow and the day after that. You can see all of this fantastic CS news.

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