The Vergecast - CES 2017 Day 1

Episode Date: January 6, 2017

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Hi, this is Andrew Marino, the podcast producer at The Verge. This year, we hosted the Vergecast live at CES 2017 as a Twitter live video show, but we decided to share the full audio here. You can see the clips from the show on Twitter at Verge, and you can catch our last show, which is Friday at 430 Pacific Time at cES.com. Yeah, so without further ado, this is our show from Wednesday, January 4th. Enjoy. Hello, I'm Eli Patel.

And I am Deeter Bone. We host the flagship podcast. of Theverge.com. It's called The Vergecast. Yeah. It's this show. Usually it's a podcast, but because it's CES week here in Vegas, someone built us this set.

We're going to do it live on video for the next three days. We're going to look at the hottest gadgets. We're going to have some cool guests. We're going to have a whole Verge family out with us. We're basically going to check everything out. Yeah, that's going to be great. You ready? We should get started.

Let's get started. Hey everybody. So I'm Eli. That's Deeter. This is The Vergecast live at CES 2017 on Twitter. It's going to be a lot of fun. We're going to have a lot of stuff going on. Usually this is a podcast. this is a podcast. We've done it on a video before, and if you've watched it in a video before, you know there's a little thing we have called the Hyped Desk. And if you've been listening recently,

you know that Megan Farakman, that's been our show, been doing a great job. So Megan, it's the Hypeast. The Hypatest is back. What's up, Megan? How's it going? It's going. What are you doing over there? So I am our lifeline to the outside world that exists beyond CES. I'm going to be reading tweets from people. If they tweet at the Verge, use the hashtag CS-2017. And yeah, if your tweet's good enough, I just might read it. Oh. We're also, I know, very sassy. Wow, she's slavig. You gotta pass a certain standard.

We're also gonna have Twitter polls, which is super exciting. We sent one out this morning. We're gonna read the results later, so vote, and it'll be great. Cool. Yeah, all right. Also, we're just gonna be, you know,

asking Megan for her input on everything. Is she? Great opinions. That's why you're in charge of Twitter. Well, duh, yeah. The home of opinions. All right, so CS has already started. This is day zero?

DZero, because the show floor opens officially tomorrow. No one cares about this. There's been a lot of stuff. Yes. It's CES. Right. A lot of things are already happening. In the middle of this show, actually, Sony is going to start its keynote.

Megan's going to be keeping an eye on that. You get some news live because you know this show is super live. I'm terrifying. I want to just tell you hard to hear you so fast. Anyway, but let's go right in some headlines. Yeah. Samsung? Yeah.

Samsung did a lot of stuff. They had their keynote today. They had their keynote. Yeah. They announced not one but two Chromebooks. Right. Chrome Plus and the Chromebook Pro. Right.

And they're kind of in partnership with Google. These are Google's like big. new Chromebooks, they run Android for real, it's not just in beta. The Plus has an arm processor. Right. The Pro has an Intel M3. Yeah. What do you think?

I think that I'm really interested. We're going to look at them live here on the show a little bit later. I'm really excited to try it. I kind of, I don't know, I was hoping for a pixel, but I'm betting that this, like, Chromebooks are all like, they don't have extra crapware on them. Yeah. And there should be any different. It should be good.

And there's a stylus. All right. Samsung also invented a new acronym. No. How do new technology? Q-L-D. What is that? I don't know.

So they're flagship TVs for 2017. Yeah. Q-L-D. My belief is they were just jealous that LG has OLEDs, which is actually different technology. Right. And Sony is rumored later today to be asking some OLED TVs of their own. Right.

What do you think of QLAD? I think that I actually am really interested in the quantum dot technology in QLED, which is L-CD with the quantum. People have done this. Yeah, they've done it for all. Yeah, they've done it for all. But the fact that they gave it this acronym just ties it to Samsung's eternal history of making absurd four-letter acronyms.

Remember so, S-U-H-D? The SUD is still real. These are Sud Q-Lens. Oh. Megan's just not having this at all. Letters floating over here and I hate it. Okay. What's the last time you bought a TV?

It's been about three years, three or four years. What's the next time you're going to buy a TV? I don't need one. I have a computer. Because I live in 2017. Are you a millennial? I might be a millennial. We're coming to you for the millennial outlook. Yeah, there's going to be...

Oh, my God. Lastly, every millennial wants this. Samsung announced a four in one washer and a four in one dryer. Very unclear what that means, because fundamentally what it is is a washer with a little washer on top and a dryer with a little dryer on top. We didn't get it. It's like you wash your lights and your darks at the same time. That makes sense.

Or you have like one thing and you want to wash it. It's like ridiculous. So basically, where it's ES, it's peak Samsung. Right. There's, yeah, I don't know. It's peak Samsung. You don't get the little wash tub in it, though. Whatever.

The other thing that we were expecting to happen at Samsung's keynote was they would actually address the Galaxy Note 7, which, you know, exploded and then got badly recalled, and then got recalled in an even more inept way, and then they just turned them all off. And so they did. Samsung did address the issue

that everyone thinks of Samsung as things explode now. And I think we have a clip. So let's take a look at that. Good afternoon and welcome to CES 2017. You know, as you know, this year was a challenging year for Samsung. Some of you were directly impacted, and certainly many saw the media coverage,

especially about the Node 7. We continue our intensive efforts internally and with third-party experts to understand what happened and to make sure it does not happen again. And very soon we will be sharing the RootCorp's report on the Note 7. Now, despite our setbacks, we have not, nor will we stop innovating. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that was, that was, we got to do something. We're just going to do it. Many of you know that our products exploded. But despite this failure, we will continue making products. That was 100% insufficient.

So here, okay, here's why I think this is. All right, all right. And you've said this several times. Yeah. Samsung doesn't have a big face, right? They don't have Steve Jobs or Larry Page or whoever. When Facebook explode, Cheryl Sandberg is like, we're very sorry, Mark just does whatever he wants. So sorry.

When all of Facebook just lights up on fire, the internet crashes. Yeah, Cheryl's like, get Mark again. Anyway, so this was their first big moment out in front of the public, in front of the press to say something. The U.S. audience to a global audience. This is the moment. Samsung has like a handful. big events and this is one of them every year. That was basically just an acknowledgement that their

phones blew up. Right. Which is not a whole lot. Yeah. Well. And the big question is can they recover? And their strategy seems to be like, we'll explain it later. We're just going to do a little bit of that. They're promising a report, which on the root cause. I don't know. I know that Samsung has apologized before. What's that? Okay. Somebody's like, hey, I got this report of why this phone explodes. Well, presumably battery engineers. Right. Like, you hope if there's like one group of people that reads this. It's like the people who make batteries. I don't care why it exploded because it doesn't, it doesn't change the fact that my phone exploded. Did you buy Samsung?

No. Really? You're off. No, I'm done. But I do love that this happened because I think in a couple years it's going to be really hilarious, no matter what. I mean, it was veering that way and then like they kept going. I think the best thing they can do is kind of get in on the joke and feel like, hey, remember our exploding phone? This one doesn't though.

Eh? Eh? I mean, they're going to have to put on S8. We'll see. Other big news from yesterday, Faraday Future, which is a bit of a chuckle as it is. They put up an enormous tent here in Vegas. They promised they were going to actually reveal their car. The tent was like a half mile long.

Quarter mile long. You live a quarter mile at a time. Half mile is two left times. So if you're not familiar, this is a company that... Just letting my Fast and Furious joke die. That's terrible. Anyway, this company promised last year they said, we're going to have a car. They didn't show a car.

Then a bunch of people left the company. there's like turmoil on the business side. They showed their car. It's called the FFF91. I think it looks like a cyber Pontiac Aztec. Like just not pretty. But they raced against a Bentley, they raced against a Ferrari, they raced against two Teslas said it's the fastest production EV in the world. And then it parked itself.

Once, not twice. But only 300 people can get them in the first launch edition. And it won't come out until 2018. I don't know that this car is actually real. Oh, you can reserve one for $5,000. That's the other important note here. No, I don't know that it's real at all. And after the last like three months of drama with the factory and the Eco, the company that

like is a part owner and like strangely involved and all the executives that have left, it's just like you, the onus is on you not to show me a flashy demo. The onus is on you to prove that you're going to ship cars. So it parked itself the first time. The second time they pushed the button, it didn't work. and the dude said, she's a little finicky today, which is beautiful. You want that to happen. I don't know.

It feels like this company. Oh, they also said amazing things. Just truly amazing things like Faraday is a company designed to reinvent the automotive industry the way it should have always been, which is really tough because the automotive industry currently shipping cars. Fairday, not doing that yet. They have the same CEO from year to year. What you want is like 200 years of no cars.

I don't know, man. Jordan and Andy from our team went to this event. The tacos remarkably small. Of all the thing, it's a funny, I guess I say. Anyway, speaking of cars. So speaking of cars, Chrysler unveiled the portal, which is a self-driving concept car, which they didn't want to call a minivan, but it's a minivan.

It's got 250 miles of range. All electric, of course. And it's got, you know, social media integration because it's designed for millennials. Buy millennials. Buy millennials. For millennials. They said the word millennials nine thousand times while talking about it. They never stop talking.

And, you know, it takes selfies. Here are some stereotypes about millennials. Okay. Selfies. Yep. Extreme sports. Yep. Sharing, sharing everything, not owning anything.

Yep. I don't know. Bad taste of music. Whoa. I don't say anything we regret, okay. I'm not saying minivans is in, is in that zone. I'm saying I love the way this minivan looks. Megan, did you buy this?

You're like token millennial. Okay, you know what millennials drove a minivan is the Scooby-Doo gang, and that's kind of what this reminds me of? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's just not going to, you're claiming that Scooby-Doo. Uh-huh. They were millennials.

Are you defying millennials as just anyone? I'm saying. Anyone who solves crimes? Anyone in their 20s? smokes weed. I'm saying if you rebooted Scooby-Doo today, they'd be Millennials. They're like of that age, they're not really do that much. They're not real jobs.

They don't have a real job. They solve crimes. It's not a job. It's a job for some people. Also, where do they work? People are constantly complaining about them and saying, hey, you kids, if it weren't for those dang millennials. Oh, this all comes together.

Right. So, like, Chrysler made a minivan for the Scooby-D crew. Yep. And the doors open up like sliding doors, like where you're walking into a building. That's just concept car stuff. I think the real thing here is Chrysler's idea is the same idea that all self-driving car companies have, which is eventually the car is going to be living room on wheels. Right.

And you're going to get into it in whatever fancy door contraption they deign to give you. And you're going to watch a bunch of stuff while the car drives itself around. And apparently take selfies of you. Also, not for nothing, this is more interesting than other concept cars because Google is not really trying to make its own car. and they have a really tight relationship with Fiat Chrysler. So this is a thing. So last CES, last year, the hot, hot rumor was that Google and Ford would team up in some way.

Right. That never came to pass. Ford has been, like, out there, basically saying it was too hard to work with Google. Like, not in so many words, but they've said it. They said it on stage at the Code Conference. Mark Fields, we interviewed him on the verge. C.F. Ford, he basically said the same thing to us.

over the past year, Google has stopped trying to make a car. Apple, the rumors are, they've stopped trying to make a car. And now you see Google getting deep into a partnership with Fiatrecher. They're also doing Chrysler, cars, jeeps, whatever else Chrysler makes. I only care about Jeeps. They're going to redo the whole center stack based on Android. Right. You see Google is like they're trying to pair up with a car maker.

And maybe this new minivan is like the next generation of Pacifica, which is what Google is using a self-driving cars right now. So we're going to have a lot more time to talk about that. but we've got also a lot more CES to get through. The other thing that happened last night was CES Unveiled, where we see a ton of gadgets. And Paul Miller, Ashley Carman, went out there and let's see what they saw.

We are here at CES Unveiled, and it's a little crazy. I feel like you and I both picked up on the same trend of home products. Like that's clearly where everyone is focusing their efforts. It's like your home isn't convenient enough. If only it was more convenient by everything in your house being concerned. connected to the internet and involving an app.

I saw a universal rope from seven hugs. This remote was super cool though. So it's just like a computer screen, like it's a display. And you can point in at any object in the room so long as it's on Bluetooth, Wi-Fi or infrared. And it's open API or like open enough that the engineers can get into it

and control any device by just pointing out. So one thing I was really excited about is these Heliolites. by SORA. I mean, I'm very happy you can get excited about smart lights. So this must be good. My favorite part is you just screw these in, they work as lights.

You can turn them on and off. If you add one thing to one of the lights, it's like a motion detector. And so if you walk in a room, they'll like turn on. That little device, that snap synchronizes all these lights so that they do this color shift thing. But you never had to like do any app set up. And then if you wanna get into the app life,

then you can add it. functionality but they actually work without the internet and without an app and I think that's a milestone I'd like to see a few more companies hit I saw a alarm clock called bonjour which uses your voice to do different alarm clock things like wake you up like you could set your alarm and say hi bonjour whatever the wake-up phrase was and set your alarm like that So that's CES unveiled? What's you think? The first one? You know, it'll be interesting to see if in six months any of these products show up in the market. They ship, if they're bad, if they work, and if they're worth buying. But at least they exist.

CES is based on faith. We've got to have some faith, I know. All right, we're back. And guess what? The family's here. Paul Miller, Ashley Carmen. Hello. Hey, fam. All right guys. So I wasn't unveiled for a hot second yesterday. It seemed totally chaotic. There was a lot of weird junk science. There was a lot of like echo clones. But what were you seeing that you like loved? Well, the Internet of Things just keeps advancing

because there are X number of things that exist in the universe and all of them need to be connected to the Internet. Yes. Or else. Yeah, yeah. And also Alexa. Almost everything talks to Alexa or like off the record talks, talks to Alexa, we're working on it. Wait, tell me what off the record talks to Alex's like.

Yes, because it's off the record. Please don't say this out loud. I'll describe you my brand name, but it will, it will talk to us. Also Watson, I want to see more of that. Yeah. Well, it's like a trend, right? And Watson's like a cheap, like, you can just go plug it into your thing and, like, get some AI stuff happening.

Yeah, I want to, the Jeopardy questions sound more exciting to me than the Alexa skills, we've all seen that, but Watson could be the next hot thing to add to you. thing to add to your internet things. All right, well, all of us are like jaded CES jerks. Ashley, you've got some fresh eyes for us. This is my first CES. Yeah.

Wow. I'm here. It's like Megan's first CES too. And yesterday, like all the cheesy CES stuff that's going on, we're just like, oh my God, who wants to see this dancing robot? And Megan like flipped out. I was like cry laughing.

Are you kidding? This is like techno Disneyland. It's incredible. Anyway, Ashley, what are you seen? Yeah, I mean, the smart home. stuff, but what was interesting to me is I feel like, yeah, they're taking products we use every day, like a mug, a mirror, foreshadowing, and other products that we just use every day and turning it smart, which is like, okay, I guess we've reached that point.

A thing that I noticed yesterday just walking around was some of the people were obviously not convinced that they had done the right thing, and other people were very sincere that if they could just collect more data about you, they could make your pregnancy go better, or they could, like, monitor your heart rate in different ways and different times. I don't know if CES is always like this, so tell me if it is, but everyone has the hardware down.

They're like, look at me, they have like six cameras, all these lasers, sensors, da-da-da. And they're like, but the software. Yeah, yeah. That's the thing. Well, hardware is simple. It's accelerometers and gyroscopes and cameras and, like. Yeah.

Right. A thousand hardware engineers just started crying. I'm sorry, guys. So big trends outside of Alexa, what were your takeaways? Also, well, beyond Alexa, just gestures, different types of controls. I always tell Paul, I'm like, I hate screens. I don't want to look at screens anymore. You're anti-screen in a big way.

Yeah, I have very strong views on very specific things, like flip phones. But screens, yeah, I hate them. Do you see a flip phone here yet? We'll find you a flip phone. That should be a story that you do. Where is the flip phone? So are you all voiced all the time? time? Is that like your idea? No, I rarely

you. I'm forced into screens because I don't really, I don't have an echo. I don't use Siri or Cortana or any of that, so. I just don't think, nothing I saw made me think, man, gestures. Yeah. How was that

the seven hugs remote? Best names? Oh, that was a Nelai gadget. Yeah. I love my controls. I'm going to do a whole remote control. I'm going to do a whole remote control. Yeah, this thing blew my mind. All right, uh, we got to take a break. We're going to come back. We're going to have the Chromebook here.

The new Samsung Chromebook. It's going to be amazing. We're back right after this. All right, we're back. Vergecast Live, CS-2017. Look at this. This, my friend, is the Chromebook Plus. I think you have the Pro.

I have the Pro. I have the Plus hidden away. You've got a Plus? I don't want to tell you about it. They look identical. So this is the new Chromebook from Samsung running, of course, Chrome OS. And it's designed from the jump to run Android out. So you can see I've got the...

Play Store open here and you can also see it's got a touch screen it does what laptop doesn't owe the Macbook Pro doesn't do that so much when you put it into the tablo mode like the apps start to go full screen yeah on their own it like sort of knows it is really nice so it's like Chrome OS is starting to feel a little bit more tablady but it's not quite there all the way we got some hints that that's like I think they're thinking about it a lot yeah so the other thing that's important to know is Prupp. Cause the stylus.

It looks exactly like a note seven. I mean, yeah. They just had like a warehouse full of those. They're like, well, lock it. I haven't had a chance to use it a ton, but like, it seems good in terms of basic speed. And it, you know, it runs the Android app. So right now it's running the beta of Android on Chrome. Yeah.

Which means that... It's marshmallow. Marshmallow. And so the apps can't be dynamically resized. You basically can choose. between like full screen or phone screen, and that's kind of it, depending on the apps. Yeah.

When, later this year, when they take it out of beta, Android is going to be at N, and then the apps to support it will be dynamically resized. If they're updated for... If they're updated for N. So there's like a lot of steps here before we get to the thing that I really want,

which is a desktop class browser with a bunch of my phone apps next to it. Right. And they're all kind of interacting with. But you've got that now. You just can't make the phone apps whatever size you feel like. Yeah. You can make them like phones on.

And we also need to see if enough Android developers like Photoshop here, right? Like it's lightroom, but it's not like the same light room you get on Windows. And like will that ever, like it'll probably never get to parody with Windows, but it'll get closer. So I've got here, this is the plus. Uh-huh. It was a secret. But this is the plus. It's running anomaly to, this is the arm processor version.

I can hit resume game and I'm instantly just grinding already. Yeah. That's great. This is what games are all about, right? all about, aren't they? But you can see it's running really well. It's full screen. It's like a good frame rate. And then I can just like pull it back out and it'll go. It'll be Chrome OS again. I can just get out. So this is like pretty neat in terms of the idea. But you could do this on a bunch of other Chromebooks now. Like what, why is this? So I'm in Google Keep right now. And so I can make a little new note here. And I can draw. And I don't know why it's saying that. But I can draw on this thing. And I can draw on this thing. And, and I can, and I can draw on this thing. And, You can see the latency here, but it's actually way better than it sort of has any right to be. Yeah. And the reason is that apparently Google's taken some machine learning and it tries to predict where your pen is going to go before it gets there.

So that's how they're reducing the feeling of latency. Right. That's like a very Google way of doing it. It's a super Google way to do it. Right. Right. To send your pen to the cloud and go back to show you to make it faster. So this is Google's pen tech.

Yes, it's not, like, this might be a very Samsung-looking stylus, but this is Google's Penn Tech and other Chromebooks that include a stylist in the future will be able to do the same sort of thing. As long as the apps support the API. Because we were playing it yesterday. I was using some pen app that didn't have that machine learning, handwriting API. And there was a bit of lag. But then you're in Keep.

But if you're in Keep, it's super fast. Right. So one more thing you can do here. So if I go to search and search for the word fun, and it found a note where somebody wrote out with a pen fun. So it OCRs everything in Keep. and then you can search for the stuff. And you can even, I hear, copy and paste your handwritten notes,

and it'll paste the text into another app. Very dangerous. Yeah. Very Newton-esque, danger. So this thing is, what is it? It's 449 for the plus. The plus is over there. And the pro is going to be a little bit more expensive,

come out a little bit later, but that guy's available in February. So here's what I'll tell you, for 449, just playing with this, it's a nice piece of hardware. Yeah. It definitely feels like a $450 Chromebook. Yeah, it's not like, oh, my God, a pixel. It's like, it's fine. It's good. It's better than a bunch of Chromebooks that aren't like metal and blah, blah, blah.

Are you buying this thing? Yeah, I've been waiting to buy a Chromebook, so I'm probably going to buy this thing. I am holding out for a big, crazy pixel. That's the thing I want. And I don't know, there were some whispers when we were talking yesterday. They're not giving up on the pixel line in this form factor, is what I hear. Whatever that means, it means that there's a rainbow, and at the end of that rainbow, there's me with a bag of money, just waiting for a town. You ready for a segue?

I'm ready for a second. Rainbows are made out of colors. Oh my god. This is also made out of colors. I'm so sorry. This is some of the worst television I would. I just want to be honest. Television.

And CES is a huge TV show. And so Chris Welch is going to tell us, give us the lay of the land of what TVs at CES look like, and then we're going to talk about it a bit. CES is where TVs have their big moment every year. It's the destination where the world's biggest tech companies, like Samsung, Sony, LG, and more, putting their biggest, brightest, and most advanced new TV screens.

It's a week of dazzling, displays everywhere you turn. So this is CES 2017, but the two main themes you're going to see are the same ones as last year, 4K and HDR. And yeah, you've been hearing about 4K for years now, but it's finally easy to find stuff you actually like to watch on Amazon and Netflix. And HDR is about so much more than just a sharper picture. It improves on 4K in a big way with brighter, more punchy colors that make BlackBusters pop off the screen. All these things together make sitting in front of your TV feel more like being at the actual movie. Now, HDR, short for high dynamic range, was a pretty new feature last year, but this time,

you're going to see it everywhere. And all of this tech is getting cheap, fast. You can pay around 600 bucks for a decent 4K HDR TV right now, but it won't compare to the TV's headlining CES this week. Stunning new OLED TVs from LG, maybe even Sony. More 4K from Samsung, Panasonic, TCL, Hysense, and others. Prototype TVs, Android TVs, Chromecast TVs, and Roku TVs. So all the big factors, price, and content, they're pretty much solved.

CES 2017 is the moment where all these TV companies have to prove once and for all that 4K is now essential. TVs are the true spectacle of CES, and the verge is here in Las Vegas to tell you which ones are great, which ones aren't, and which one might be the best fit for your living room. Hey, we're back. Yeah. And I have a Twitter mug. Yeah, why not? Is this a smart Twitter mug? Yeah, it's measuring you right now.

Will it tweet every time I take a sip? Yeah. That's a nightmare. Okay, so Lauren. Yes. You have been on the TV beat for us a little bit. A little bit. You've been doing a lot of streaming stuff.

Capodray, me specifically. CRT. I bet there's one CRT TV here. There's probably a big one. High Sense did a rear projection TV, 100-inch rear projection. Wow. Laser TV. They're bringing it back.

Anyway, but you've been looking at some of the streaming stuff. Let's start with kind of the start. Amazon is basically putting a bunch of change. cheap TVs with FIREOS embedded. That is correct. Do you think they're going straight at Roku? I don't know if they're going straight at Roku, but I think that's sort of a popular strategy for people that have OSs or have

media services. They're not going to embed them in super expensive high-end TVs like Samsung's or LGs or any of that. They're going to start at the low end and just say how many people can we get using ROS as quickly as possible and as cheaply as possible. Hey, here's a way to do it. Let's partner with some Chinese TV manufacturers. You know, people like high sense and high-sense and high-costs, High cents and higher are working with Roku. People like Elements and Seiki and Westinghouse are working with Amazon and how cheaply

inexpensively and quickly can we get this out to people? So it's like every year at CES we're like, okay, is it going to be 3D? Is it going to be flat panels? Is it going to be HDR? Is it going to be 4K? It seems like this year like the HDR, the tech race is like it's a talk. It's like a downbeat and instead the race is like, can we build smarts into the TVs? I do see some weird, like, that LG TV.

The super, super, super high-end stuff. Some stuff that's probably even better as a concept or maybe like a really large display. I'm sure we'll talk about that a little bit too. But, yeah, I'd say those are like the two trends we're going to see this year in TVs. It's going to be really, really high-end, really futuristic, really expensive,

or it's going to be smart TVs. Right, well, it's like the other guy. Smart, Dieter laugh. There's like WebOS. Right. Well, no, so LG. TVs are like the smart TV. I feel now are fine, which is a weird thing,

because for years we'd say don't use them, they're terrible, they're the worst. But now I think they're good enough for the next couple of years, don't worry about it. If they suck in two years, you can stop using them. But especially on 4K TVs, they're fine. I'm not gonna, like, I'm not gonna berate you for using your smart TV app instead of a set-top box.

So what I think is interesting is you look at, Samsung obviously has its own OS on their TV's and ties in. LG has WebOS, rest of peace. It's alive? They actually put out a really cool TV, super thin TV. with the sound bar speakers come up. And then you look at the low end of the market, and that's where Roku and Amazon now are in there.

Sony uses Android TV, Vizio uses Chromecast. All the big platform players are involved in the TV space. Microsoft makes the Xbox. Right. Only one who's not there, not building the stuff into the TV, is Apple, doesn't ship a 4K box. It's kind of that moment. I guess you'd call it a moment.

I mean, I see, I listened to what Megan said earlier about, you know, well, why don't I need a TV? I have a computer screen, right? And I think that a lot of the industry, especially the people that have services, see that that's the way things are going. The TV is actually kind of the least essential part of it. It's just a screen.

It's just a screen. It happens to be bigger. So in some of your use cases, sitting around your living room, a bunch of people over watching sports, that's still going to be the screen, right? Ultimately, it's about how can we just get people to buy stuff on the little box or, you know, the OS that we made.

Which is why Amazon wants to do that. Okay, we've got to take another break. We're going to be back with a robot. It's going to be very strange. You're going to love it. It's not going to be terrifying at all. No one's going to die right after this. We're back.

Welcome back. We are here with Kyle Weins and KKClap from I Fix It, and we're going to take apart a headset live on the air, I think? Yeah. That's a PSVR. It's going to be amazing. It's PSVR.

Yeah. So tell me a little bit what CS is like for you. So actually, tell us a little bit of I Fix it just so if people don't know who you are, we have to live the land. Our mission is to teach everybody to fix all their stuff. Okay. So the moment new gizmos come out, we take it apart and show what's inside. Okay.

And hopefully give people an idea, should you buy this? If you buy it, is it going to break? If it breaks, how expensive is it going to be the fix? Right. And so CES is this. We've got screws flying. This is great. CS is this big tease for us because everybody announces things, but you can't actually have it.

Right. So we were at CES unveiled yesterday, and we were going around all the booths saying, hey, that's a really cool hairbrush. Can I take it apart? No. No. No, you can't take my hairbrush apart. We have one.

Right, right. So you guys, I think everybody knows, if you're watching the show, you know this, you definitely know about I Fix It. Every time there's a new product comes out, I Fix It Tears it Down Live, which is super fun. I think we all watch. You guys talk to your friends that, you know, tear down chips and do X-rays of chips. Right.

Tell us how it works. And you assign a repairability score. Right. Right. I come to this show, and what I'm thinking about is, the guys are like this, okay, fine, you can't repair it. It's a consumer VR headset. It's full of screen.

It's basically a computer. It's self-contained. Okay, I can argue with you about whether you should be able to repair with this. Sure. I look at all the smart home stuff, and I'm thinking, when my dishwasher breaks, normally a person shows up. It's a mechanical object. They can mostly take it apart and fix it.

The second that thing becomes an Android computer, now I've got all kinds of other problems. Do you see that breaking your part that way? The moment you add electronics to these gadgets or to these products that we have in our lives, it changes the ballgame. And all of the frustrations that we've had with repairing electronics, we're pretty good at repairing most electronics, but some of them we have a real challenge.

And then when you see those challenges introduced into something like a refrigerator that should last 10 or 20 or 30 years, and we're going to take it to the lifecycle of a tablet by adding a tablet to a refrigerator. That's a challenge. So what's the solve there? Do you think your advocacy for right to repair, which is a thing that actually in policy circles, like people talk about,

have you seen forward momentum there? Have you seen it coming back? There's huge momentum around right to repair. There's four states going to be introducing legislation this year where they're saying, hey, if you're going to sell a product. Is she just killing this BSVRI? This is actually, this thing got a pretty high repairability score. We like this device a lot.

Why is it got a high repairability score? It's fairly modular and straightforward. Sony just has their shit together. They are so good at building hardware. I remember those pictures when the Xbox 1 came out and the PS4 came out and the Xbox 1, you took it off. And it was like, it looked like the first. Iron Man suit on the inside.

And the Sony is just minimalist and dialed in. Yeah. Yeah. Also Sony just opened their warehouse full of garbage old parts. And they're like, I don't know, these PlayStation Move controllers, we'll use those. Okay, so we got this, we got this all pulled apart here. So this is inside, so the PlayStation VR uses one single LCD or OLED instead of instead of two like the Oculus does.

But in general, it's interesting, look how much space is available inside this thing. Yeah, wow. They could have made this half the size if they wanted to. Do you think so? I think the industrial designers picked the form factor that was going to look the best from the outside and design the internals around it. Well, you got to wear these on your face. You don't want to get too hot, right? I mean, how much heat does the OLED put off?

Megan, have you put a PSVR on and have you used it? Yeah. Do you think it's too big, too small? I have a small head, so my answer is maybe not most applicable in this situation. It fits me just fine. Yeah. And it's the most balanced. Right.

Right. I mean, for me, it's the simplest one that you can get outside of a shell on a phone. When you think about like I fix it and it's like roll, obviously help people fix their things. Do you think you're going to have a big set of how to repair all the smart home gadgets in your house?

Yes, absolutely. Because right now you do a lot of how to repair your iPhone and a lot of screen replacement kits. We have, it's shocking to me oftentimes how much is on I fix it. We're like Wikipedia. We cover, we have typewriter repair information. We have oscilloscope repair manuals. We've got appliance repair manuals. It's whatever the community is interested in. And the trick

with these home appliances is generally that there aren't enough of them made to get enough distributed information, so we're working on solving that. But I think it's going to be really critical. I have no fear at all going from the electronics repair realm into the appliance repair realm. You would never think that that is the road that you would be on.

Like, now I have a repair appliance as well. Okay, Kay is going to keep breaking this down. Megan, tell us what's going on on Twitter. Okay, so I want to talk about the Twitter pool we put up this morning. So we ask people, what are you looking forward to the most from CS 2017? So answer, or the questions where next gen, wearables, more mainstream robots, smart home gadgets or cars of the future, people said smart home gadgets. It's the wrong answer. The answer should actually be robots.

But the people have spoken, this is what they have to have to say. It's not overwhelming, I got to say. Well, robots is solidly last. It's solidly the worst. But smart home gadgets is sort of the lead. But you've got another poll going now as well? Yeah, so we're actually going to have one up. We are going to talk about that a little bit later in the show. I actually do want a shout out. We got a really good tweet earlier that I want to highlight. So someone asked, what is the one thing you've seen in CES and just said, nope. I love this tweet.

I want to talk about it. There's a lot at CES where you look at stuff. Kyle, what's the one thing you've seen where you've just been like, I reject this idea out of the hand? Well, I don't read the Superman, the Hyperseat. Oh yeah, the VR thing. Which is not necessarily new, but it's, I mean. So what Kyle's talking about yesterday unveiled, there was a whole platform. Megan, I saw you on it.

You lie down on it. You hold some handles, basically. They're a controller. You wear a VR headset. And then they had a fan blowing on you. They had like a $12. Dimesdor fan blowing you to make you feel like you were flying. And you want to reject that, but that doesn't land of the future.

So I think that, yeah, that's like a little hint of where we could go. The one I'm going to reject, and this is true. I saw yesterday. It was a $2,000 umbrella for your patio. Okay. It was Bluetooth. It had speakers. It had light sensors.

It follows the sun. I mean, it powers your phone. Put $2,000 umbrella. And the umbrella is always the thing that breaks. Yeah. You take the thing that breaks the most in your life and add all kinds of fancy gadgets on top of it. Yeah.

All right, so we promised you a robot. Robots. I'm ready. I love robots. This is it. This is where we live. Promise you a robot. I promise you won't kill you.

Let's watch it right now. Hi there. It's Ashley Carmen from The Verge. To say we're checking out a new smart home robot named Curry. Hey, Curry. A company called Mayfield Robotics, which is a Bosch startup designed Curry with personality in mind. So the first thing you'll probably notice is Curry's eyes and demeanor.

Similarly to the Amazon Echo or Google Home, Curry can play music on command over Bluetooth, but there's no voice control just yet. The key difference between the Echo and the Google Home and Curry is that Curry is on wheels. So yes, in theory, you can have a robot Bluetooth speaker following you around. But during our demo, we weren't able to use Spotify

or Apple Music to play music necessarily. Curry moves around your house relying on a depth sensor to figure out where obstacles are, navigate around them, and make sure it's in the right room. One of the ideas behind Curry is that when you're not at home, you can use it kind of like a surveillance robot. It has a camera behind its eyes, and you can watch the live feed through its companion app.

But it technically dies after two hours of constant use, so you probably won't get a complete live feed of the entire day. Curie knows when its battery is running low, though, so it'll automatically return to its docks, so that it's pretty much always charged. Honestly, during my demo with Curry, I thought the robot was super cute. Its eyes are expressive, and it's adorable.

You can't help but want to play with it. But with that said, Curry really didn't live up to its expectations, at least right now. It's super impressive that Curry can navigate around the house and avoid obstacles. That takes a lot of programming, and it's cool that they're able to do that.

But still, I feel like I didn't get to appreciate its full personality because I couldn't even use voice commands to talk to it. Curry isn't supposed to show until the end of the year, so Mayfield has a lot of time to continue developing the robot. We're excited to see how Curry develops over the next year, and who knows, maybe this will be the smart home robot that breaks through. We're back.

Hey. Miss Ashley Carmen is back as well. So you played with this robot? I played with this robot as much as I could. Yeah, you were really excited. We were really excited about this whole situation. It's so cute. It's the cutest robot. It's almost around.

Yeah, it looks like a little wally or something. You weren't able to actually do anything. No. So this robot can move around, as you saw, which is, like, impressive, right? From a robotic standpoint, being able to avoid obstacles move around is definitely impressive. But I was promised a robot that I can interact with, talk to. It might make me laugh or something. No.

Yeah. It can happen. There's a lot of these floating around CES this year. They all have the same mode of, like, a circular face with eyes with little eyelids that go up on the bottom so they're looking really cute. Yeah. Everybody's doing it. Everybody's making the little round, cute, little, you know, Alexa-based robot that goes? So I think the thing about that, there was the reason Alexa and Google Home and all that stuff is popular is because you don't have to think about them.

They're just there when you talk to them, they respond. This robot is like, you have to babysit it. Right. Well, it's actually supposed to babysit your kids in the sense that it's partially a security bot that rolls around the house. Okay. And you can check in with it and watch over its camera like, is my kid doing his homework right now? And it's fine. Least effective security device in the world.

So, normal. Okay, so a couple things are going on right now. Sony just started. Megan's been watching it. Their tagline this year, I'm not, this is live. I can't make this up. The last one inch.

No. I don't know what that means, but that's what Sony. Wait. The last mile is probably getting internet. LG also happened. We're going to come back. Have all the news from LG.

We're checking on whatever the hell is happening with Sony. Right after this. All right. We're back. Let's get right into some more news from C. Yes. More headlines. LG happened.

Dieter, I'm just tossing. Don't. I want you to react pure. LG made a fridge. It runs WebOS. It runs WebOS. It has Alexa in it. Last year, LG's fridge ran Windows 10.

Yeah. So. This year, WebOS. So if you don't know, Dieter is the oldest school palm stand that has ever existed. Uh-huh. It has a 29-inch touchscreen on it. It's called the Insta-View. It's got a door and door so you can, like, have a translucent.

So you can look at it without letting all the cold out. It tells you the weather. Why does it run WebOS? Does it have cards? Does it have just type? WebOS doesn't mean any. Does it have a unified contact manager? Friends, friends,

WebOS is dead. Unless you buy this fridge. It's on the fridge. It's alive in keeping your food cold. But it's not WebOS anymore. It's just Ties in, but it's LG's version of it. I want to love this fridge. I'm going to go check it out.

I can't wait to go see it in person and experience the WebOSness. But. It's not webbos. But they had something that was actually cute running Alexa, though, right? Yeah. They had another thing. They had a little robot, right? They had a little robot.

The Hub Home. Hub home. It's got that animated face. Yeah. I mean, it looked like a little bit, right? Like, this is another thing I'm saying. Like, I like these robots. I see what's going on with Alexa and the voice assistants.

Finally, there's a back-end technology that you can talk to, people like talking to. So let's make it move around, and now we've made a robot. Do you need an Alexa to look at you and make the default robot? called robot face, which again is, yeah. Do you need it to look at you and be cute? Megan, do you want? Do you need it? Okay, have you seen realistic robots

because they're extremely creepy? I want a robot that's cute and looks like an emoji. Okay. Fair. How much are you spent on this robot? How much am I what? How much would you spend on this robot? Maybe like 300.

Alright. It's a price of two echoes. You're gonna like put a... Anyway. We've buried the lead. Because the best thing that LG announced is a signature 4K OLED W series TV. It's a lot of letters.

W stands for wallpaper. It's 65 inches. It's 2.57 millimeters thick. Yeah. It is the most insane looking television I've ever seen in my life because it's less than 3 millimeters thick. You just hang it on the wall. So it's a trick though, right?

You know it's a trick because the actual TV stuff besides the screen is in the sound bar that sits underneath the TV. Years ago, I came to CS and I saw Sony's first OLED TV, which was like 10 inches, it cost $10,000. And they did the same trick. They buried all the internals in the box to make the panel look really thin.

Samsung's TV has a breakout box. The breakout box is a thing. Samsung's TV's breakout box, the cord lights up. Just to let you know that you have a breakout box. I am pro-breakout box. Yeah? Yeah. Well, this breakout box, also a sound bar.

And the speakers rise up when you're watching TV, and then they go away, and then they break, and you've got to call Kyle, and Kyle will fix it for you. And apparently they've also got, or it's part of this thing, a 4K soundbar. The sound bar is 4K, which means nothing. That's a line. It means nothing. What does that even mean? We also got LG's new gram laptop.

Yeah, so the last gram laptop. Does not weigh 14 grams. We weigh slightly over 2 pounds. Very misleading. Yeah. But they did the thing that we always, always, always talk about on this show. Right. On the Verchast in general.

Yeah. Which is they made it slightly thicker and they put a bigger battery in it and now the battery lasts three hours longer. Thank you. Just put a decent... I think LG. That thing looks a bit like a MacBook. It looks 100% like me.

It is this computer. They made it slightly thicker. Not just a little bit. We also saw yesterday unveiled a bunch of news about USBC docs or MacBooks. My favorite one, Griffin or Belkin, put out one that is just a huge battery slice that makes this computer as thick as a 2012 MacBook Pro. No. Just a lot of nonsense here at CES.

Okay. We're going to take a break, and we're going to come right back. and we're going to talk to Mr. Casey Newton about the magic of periscoping. It's good to be great. We're back, and I have very exciting news. Casey Newton is here. How's it going? There he is.

It's happening. The man, the legend, the budding improv star. Casey, that's true. That's just a fact. Yeah. Okay, Casey, you have been using an app called Periscope. I have. I would say you're the dominant periscoper left in the field.

Nice of you to say. But you got some, like, silly hardware to go along this week at CS. Yeah, so something exciting is happening. in the world of Periscope, which is, if you liked it in 180 degrees, what if we multiplied that by two? So Periscope 360 is now in beta. Is that, that's how that... Is that...

Did my math get wrong? Field of you is like... Well, I mean, you could sort of see, you know, this plane, but you could get... Sorry, so not like your greatest pitch for a spherical video. Here's the deal. There's the deal. I've been going around, and I think you're seeing this on the video now. Yeah.

I've been sort of going around the show floor. I've been talking to people. I've been trying to people. I've been trying to get a sense of what gadgets here are exciting, and I've been doing it with a camera. Yeah, so I watched Casey's scope last night. Literally, all anyone wants to know is what camera he's using. It's about the camera.

And so I thought this would be a good time to talk about the camera. So this is the Insta 360 Nano. Okay. This is a $200 camera that you can buy right now from your favorite retailer. And all you do is snap it into the lightning port on your iPhone. and you turn it upside down. I actually put this on backwards. Parascove Pro, okay, see it.

Yeah, Periscope Pro. And then I walk around and I can see essentially 360 degrees. Does this work in every camera app or just Periscope? What's the support like? So I believe that it has support for other 360-degree video solutions. So, you know, YouTube and others, this would probably work. I've used it exclusively with Periscope so far, and we've been getting pretty good results.

I've done a couple of them so far. People really enjoy being able to see all around. Yeah, it's really small. Yeah, it's tiny. I mean, the thing weighs like, you know, less than a pound. I mean, probably just a few ounces. Does it have a headphone jack? It's getting all the audio from a...

And so you got a charge it's got some battery. Yeah, so it looks like a little micro-SD card slot. Micro USB. So when you're recording, does it record to hear it? It records to the phone. But this is just backup? The... Yes.

Okay. Yes. I'm with you. Because you're streaming live. Who cares? Exactly. This is all the fun roll. It's coming and going.

It's not about saving it. Like, doing a hands-on with it, like, I could look at you or just... I enjoy looking straight down and seeing your little robot disembodied hand with just a true joy of all 360 video. I got more comments on my shoes than I ever got before on a Periscope 360. So let me ask you, 360 in general. Yeah. Obviously, there's VR all over this show.

Yeah. What's your sense of whether it's mainstream or whether we're just screen around because we're the verge or like... Yeah. What do you think the audience for this stuff? So to me, I think like live video itself, it's another tool in the toolkit. There are gonna be a handful of times where it's amazing and then there's gonna be a lot of times

where you probably don't wanna bother. But if you think about the CES show floor where you're surrounded by people, you're surrounded by gadgets, it's a perfect time to go 360 because different people are going to want to see different things. And even if they're not able to sort of perfectly zoom in on every gadget that is around me,

they can at least get a sense of what it's like to be there. And for me, my favorite comments that I was getting yesterday and today, were just from people saying, I feel like I'm there. It's a little cheesy, but, you know, if you're in India right now or you're in Germany and you've always wanted to know what it's like to be at a show like this, 360-degree video gets you closer than you've been able to get before.

I enjoy the people who are looking around you and being like, go talk to that guy because they could see what you were prioritizing. That guy's cute. What's his story? Is he seeing anyone? The true story of CBS. Casey's cruising. Gun failed. Megan, are you watching a lot of 360 video?

Does this appeal to you? Yes, because I have really bad ADD, so I like people to be talking, and I like the chance to move around and see what else is happening. I like it. I think you have really nice shoes too, Casey. Really enjoyable to watch you walk around.

This is the most positive of Vergecast has been in like five years. Just here to bring in the hearts in the good field. It's your first C, yes. And so you're like... I'm not jaded yet. There it is. I think everything is wonderful and magical still. All right, Megan.

Tell us what's going on over there on the socials. Well, one, I have another Twitter poll. So, question is, will Faraday Future ever actually release the FF9-1? I also know the answer to this question. I feel like a lot of people maybe do, but I just want everybody to go vote. So yeah, go to Twitter at The Verge and let us know. Also, we got a really good tweet that I want to give a shout out to. Here's the Bearer asked, why does Deeter look like he could be in the next Bond film?

Yeah. I mean, you do. That's fair. Deere just got a new promo picture for The Verge, and you look super easy. Someone also insulted the way I look, so we're doing well. I'm not going to shout that one out. That's a nice jacket though. I am going to wear a more Bon villainous jacket tomorrow, so stay tuned.

Yeah. Tomorrow at 7.30 Eastern. Peter's going to get more and more dramatic. By the end of the week I'm going to look exactly like Christoph Waltz. It's going to be great. All right. Megan, anything else going on Twitter? Any other action?

Yeah, I guess, I'm curious what you guys think. We have Zach Pagano asking, what do you think the biggest tech surprise has been so far of CIO? so far of CES? So I want to say it's just Alexa. But it's not surprising, right? It's Amazon wants this to happen. This is how they want to win. I think Lauren Good is going to do a segment for us this week on the show,

just looking deeply into how integrated Amazon is everywhere. So I want to say it's a surprise, but it feels like it's a surprise that was well on its way, that the idea of Amazon touching all the smart objects in your house and controlling them I don't think that's what they thought the echo was going to do when they put it out. They realized that's what it should do, and they quickly got there faster than anybody else. And I think the big question for me, the big surprise is whether they're going to be so dominant just based on this show that anyone else would be able to catch up. And, I mean, we saw a dozen clones last night or more.

But, you know, I think it's always a surprise when a trend lands for real, right? It's easy for people like us to make a prediction that voice control is going to be the next big thing. But then you come to a show like CES, and it's kind of the next big thing, and you start to see it moving more quickly than you anticipated. So for me, that was just the sort of surprise. It's like, okay, this is mainstream now. Megan, were you surprised by anything? I mean, everything surprises me because it's all still new, so it's all wonderful. All right, Dieter, you're going to make this happen.

This is going to be awkward. I have a thing. Deeter has a toy. This is so exciting. It's really cool. Out the ground. Oh, my God. It's so awkward looking.

This is the spud? Is it broad because it's playing? I want you to know that Dieter has been hiding at the desk the whole time. So if you're seeing this on camera, don't be, it's a display, and you probably, it's, you know, it's not designed to be shown under studio lights. But fold it up.

Show the people what it does. It's called the spud because it stands for spontaneous pop-up display. It's pretty good. And so you can just collapse it down, fold it up. Yeah. You know, I was on a car accident once and that came flying out of the steering wheel.

So they were here, they were telling us about it. Yeah. They actually developed this wrinkle-free projection screen themselves. They have a patent on it. It's a special screen. It's a whole thing, and they've developed these optics themselves. Good colors. This is like the good side of Kickstarter.

Right. Like, Ashley and Paul cover the bad side of Kickstarter all day long. Yeah. It's my punishment to Paul Miller for quitting the internet. It's a 24-off screen. It's 1280 by 720. 1280 by 720. It's a short-thro projector.

You can get on Kickstarter now. I mean, it's just one of those silly CS things. Yeah. It actually... I just love... Can we... Can you... describe a single use case

for this device? You're that guy in a coffee shop. Yeah, okay. That's number one. No, camping. Camping? Yeah. That's good.

You go outside, you watch a movie. Yeah. You pitch a tent, and then you pitch your TV. I don't think I'm folding it up right. I'm sorry. I mean, you're 0 for two. Arrovia who makes the spuds. I just thought of you know...

Darn. Also, it takes a certain amount of hoodspud. I just call your product spud. Yeah. Yeah? I think it's really good. This is sort of thing where... Okay, here's the truth.

CS is full of gadgets that won't hit. CS is full of silly Samsung events where they line up letters and acronyms and you take shots at LG. You know, like the big corporate stuff, the big bets, this is going to change the world. Everyone focuses on that and then is naturally disappointed by that stuff.

These kinds of little gadgets where they actually made it, they did the work. They didn't just like buy a bunch of components. No, like they did engineering, they created a new kind of screen. This is the sort of thing where, look, maybe we won't blow up the world, but, like, you don't see them anywhere else. There's very rare that we get to go look at a bunch of, like, little companies inventing things. Yeah, like, I've got this whole rant, which I can get into later.

But, like, just because every single CES tag event doesn't change the world, doesn't mean that it's not fun and cool to go look at this thing. Also, it's called the Spud. It's also called The Spud. Yeah. We're going to watch the movies outside later. You and me. It's going to be great.

We got to take a break, and then we're right back. We're back. Yeah. It happened again. It just keeps happening. What keeps happening? Oh, Paul and Ashley here, but we got to do some headlines. We got a couple more headlines we want to talk about.

And then we're going to play with some toys. Yeah, I think the first one is this Predator 21X gaming laptop. It is $9,000. Here's what I'm going to tell the whole. I'm going to offer you not a subjective stat or an opinion. I'm going to offer you any objective statistic. We put up a video of this laptop when it was first not if we reprimended here because the did the pricing announcement at CES, 21 million views on the video of this laptop.

It is the amount of interest in a $9,000 gaming laptop that has a curb display that is literally, you saw the video with Sam Biford, four times the size of an average British human. It's so big. Do people ask, how much did it cost to build the Eiffel Tower? No, it's a monument for humankind. Yeah. It's just like this laptop. It's like the predator.

You know, Nick Statt wrote a great piece for the Verge Day. PCs are interesting again. And I think it's really true. I think there's actually a bunch of really interesting PCs at the show. I mean, I've just taken my MacBook and thrown it off the set because I'm over it. That's not why. Maybe you'll find out one day. But I think Apple had a moment with the new MacBook Pro where interest has waned

that people are really interested in new Windows hardware. And actually, there's a bunch of new Windows hardware available to capture. Apple has that interest. I don't know if the $9,000 gaming PC is that thing. Yeah. I'm gonna get one. Because, you know, I don't have a kid yet, but when I do have a kid, I don't want that kid to go to college. I will say that I'm...

I want them to be wrapped in an immersive gaming environment. You want them to be crushed. You have to literally crush their tiny child legs so they can never leave the house. You're from Minnesota, Deeter. I am. You know the story of Babe the Blue Ox. I need to keep warm. If you make the kid lift the laptop every day,

you'll actually be able to lift the whole thing. You're kids going to love you. Wow. It's going to be great. What else we got? There's also the Air TV player. So this is a set-top box from DISH, 4K Android TV, which, don't laugh. It combines Sling TV service, it's got Netflix, and it comes with an OTA antenna.

On paper, this is $1.29. What's particularly amazing about it is they're basically saying we know Sling TV doesn't have all the channels, but if you plug it an antenna, you can just get the channels for free from the air, which is interesting. The problem is it looks. It looks great on paper. It also looks great in person. In person, it looks like a smurf vomited. I love it. On to a jacket.

The remote is like white, and then it's got this blue line down the side. It's so confusingly ugly. Dish Network. It's beautiful. As a company, and I, you know, I'm sure they have well-meaning designers. Uh-huh.

I have never seen a company that is so bad at producing attractive hardware. It's like they, you know what? It's like they're going. It's in their DNA. It's in their DNA. They're like, you know, Apple really set this trend for minimalism, for sleekness,

for, like, refining. and like someone at Dish Network is like drinking a Coors Light and they're like, fuck you, Johnny Ive. And just like, we're going the other way. Like that guy's got it wrong. Whatever, man. I think it looks great. All right.

You can get it for 99 bucks. It's cheap. It's $1.29 with the antenna or $99 without the antenna. So I guess we got to talk about the Blackberry. We got to talk about the Blackberry. Then we got to check on the Meg on Sony. Oh, I got some news from. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Let's see the BlackBerry real quick. Let's do the BlackBerry real quick. Okay, BlackBerry. So there's new BlackBerry. We don't know a ton about it because it's like an alpha device, but TCL makes it. They've owned the exclusive rights to- What else do they own?

Do it. Palm. They also own the Palm brand and they have a, they put out a poll saying, what should we do with it? And then they never followed up on what they would do with it. If you've been watching the show and you've seen like Deeter acting excited, what you're not seeing is just the death in his eyes. Brought a Palm so much, like we talk about WebOS a bunch.

Yeah. Now this thing. So the cool thing about the Blackbergus is the thumbprint reader on it, is on the space bar on the physical keyboard. This product is doomed. Megan, what's going on with Sony? Okay. So somebody has a lot of 4K news.

I'm just going to read you guys a happy list real quick. So we've got a 4K, O-L-A-D, 40-T-D. So they did it. They put on N-L-L-ED. Yeah, they did in O and not a Q or any other circular letter. It's letters we are familiar with, yes.

Hold on, we got more, though. So they've got a 4K projector, which I'll come back to new 4K cameras at a 4K Blu-ray player. But I want to talk about the projector. I'm just going to read this. beautiful headline from Paul Miller. Sony's new short throw of 4K projector is $25,000 and

brutally beautiful. Brutely beautiful. What's brutal about it? 77 pounds. It's a monolith. So it's like three feet wide and it's got these like heat fins in the back. Yeah. It's just, it's like

we could barely contain the power. Like we had to find space materials to contain the power of this 4K projector. I guess my question, what you say, $20,000? $25,000. Oh, my God. So you have a space in your house to put a monolithic projector with heat vins. You have $25,000, but you don't have quite enough room for the full throat.

There's a lot of short-throat connectors. It's kind of a thing. Short-per-projectives are actually a trendy. If you think compare this to the LG wallpaper TV, right? Yeah. There's a bar below it that has the brains. and then there's a screen. This is just like a projector below the screen.

I like this idea of just... Wait, how short is short throw? Six inches. So it can be six inches away from the wall and project the 100-inch image. Wow. Okay. I mean, this is classic Sony.

Did you do anything else? Any other wild? What does the final inch mean? What was it? One more inch? They clear that up for us? Someone needs to let us know what story is there. I don't think I've got that yet.

All right. We'll check in on, Sony. There's going to be an... I mean, this is literally happening simultaneously. From me on the verge.com on what that one inch is, what that means. I am happy that they're making OLED. That LG's not sort of, you know, the one being one that everyone thinks of for OLED. So I was finding TV.

And also, it's like, I don't know, I feel like the Bravia brand is sort of, it was the thing. And then it, like, sort of fell in her times. I mean, that's the story of Sony, right? They had all of the brands in the 80s and 90s, and then they're like, what if we blow it? What if we did that? Like, my favorite is, I think I've told Ashley to go. go chase this story around CES. Giant speakers.

Like there's giant Bluetooth speakers all over the show. Sony had the mega bass brand. Let that slide into oblivion. They've come back with extra base. No. It's like, you had it. Like, what if we had a little bit more base?

But they had Bravia. They had Trinitron before that. They've been out of the high-end TV game for a long time. Sony's been rumored to make OLEDs forever. Since we've come to CES... Isn't it? The OLED thing, it's all just like buddy-buddy.

It's still basically one company making it. One company makes every panel for everyone, right? But I think Sony trying to get back into that high-end audio video game is good for them. Last year they put out, two years ago they did what, the $1,000 walkman or whatever. Then they did a bunch of high-end audio stuff. This is what CES is all about for Sony. It's like really high-end audio video gear. And then you buy the cheap one instead.

They should have put out another walk? Yeah. All right. I think these people have some gadgets for us. Yeah. Gadgets. Absolutely correct. All right, let's see some stuff.

Should we just like pull things out? Yeah, the Sugarbreaker crew. What are you here for you? Here we go. Here we go. Okay, what's this? That's an iPad. Have you guys heard of the iPad?

It's from Apple, I think. Okay, so this is a smart toothbrush. This is actually ours second. Oh my gosh. This is the second toothbrush. And that's a hairbrush. I got my notes. You got, it's crazy.

Oh, spoilers. Wow. So this is Colabry makes this smart toothbrush, right? And they've made it before. Here's the thing. They began tracking how everybody's been doing this. They used all that data, and now they can detect exactly where you are in your mouth. What?

And they made a pretty great game out of it. So, like, here's, this has been tracking how well I've been doing. Here's a checkup. See, this is how well I did last time. Yeah. Like I was really up on the left side, but I didn't get the right side. Are you not gonna brush your teeth? I'm gonna brush my teeth right now. Okay, that's all that's all the people want. Okay, fine. I'll just brush my teeth But you gotta tell us this stuff while you brush your teeth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is called Go Pirate. It's like an endless runner. Is that the music from Go Pirate that people are hearing? We're gonna it's a real adventure. You don't want to go on an adventure?

No, okay. This is amazing. All right. How much does this toothbrush cost? It's a let me look at my nose It's $130. But you can pre-order it now and get it for $80. It's gonna ship in March. True Kickstarter fashion. Yeah. All right. Here we go.

The moment you've all been waiting for. Okay, so now I'm supposed to be on my right side, right? I'm getting all those coins. Yeah. Now it's gonna tell me I'll go on a shift over and go on the left outside. Is that the sound of the toothbrush? Yeah.

Yeah, the whole toothbrush is, I'm supposed to be kind of doing this, but you can kind of game the system and just hold it on one place. I'm gonna up here. Cheating and brushing your teeth. Look, do you think the kids are gonna do? You think they're gonna really go for it? This is like when little kids go to the bathroom

and it's like washing their hand, they turn on the water. We made a profile for myself, but I couldn't do it too many times because it cuts you off after three brushes in one day so that kids don't like, overbrush. Destroy their mouths. Wow. Because it's so much fun to brush your teeth.

Alright, Megan, in your previous life, you're an editor at the video game website, Polygon. Is this the future of video games? God, I hope not. I do love Paul's broadcast, though. It's your boy, Paul, broadcasting live from his mouth. That's pretty good. Real quick, though, I have the results of our Faraday Future, Twitter poll.

This is going to be a huge shock right now. So we asked, well, Faraday Future ever actually released its FF9, 1 electric car. 72% overwhelmingly says no. Yeah. It's not looking good. It's not looking good. That's actually lower than I thought. Nearly 30% of people believe.

I'm with you 30% people. Twitter. Hope. Let's have the hope. I have so many things. I have like a big thing under the table. Let's do this one. Okay.

So this is my smart fridge cam. Oh my God. You love this thing. It was love at first sight for me. This is just one of those gadgets that... Okay, so it's a camera that goes inside your refrigerator. So if you can't afford those fancy-shmancy, Samsung fridges or whatever. Which break and then you can't fix that.

Yeah, exactly. You have this camera. that you can put inside your fridge, and every time you open and close the door, it takes a photo. So it's always logging what's in your fridge at all times. Okay. And also, okay, so then there's more.

I was just giving you a second to let it sit in. You know, every time I'm in the fridge right now, I take a photo with my mind. Do you? I make the sound. I don't think you do. Well, okay, so because it knows what's inside the fridge, it can recommend recipes.

Yeah, okay. Also, the whole point of the gadget is that they don't want you to waste food. So it keeps track of expiration dates because every time you put something in the fridge, you scan its barcode. Whoa. Yeah. So how does it know? Does it have a database?

Yeah, they have a database that they've been working with partners. How much does that thing cost? This is $1.50. $150. Why do you love it so much? Because this is something I would buy. Yeah. Like, I like weird home practical.

This seems practical to me. I have no idea why it's not. I think it's because I like food. Yeah. Food things. All right. Easy win for me. You don't have to replace your entire fridge to use it.

No, exactly. I live in a shitty apartment. Like, this is a thing I can do to make my apartment a little more, like, high class. Yeah. Do you check it on your phone? Like, how often are you supposed to check it? Yeah, so there's an app.

You could check it whatever you want. Yeah, but how often do you think you would check it? Does it alert you when you're in milk-inspired? Yes. Okay. You know what I would do? The classic smart home story, right? If I had one of these cameras, I would buy,

I would buy, like, a lemon meringue pie and just put in my fridge and just like, just look at it and know it's that. I would buy one and put in the fridge at work. This is what's gonna happen. Just imagine knowing you have pie at home all the time of being able to verify it with photograph. Imagine putting one of these in your work fridge

and figuring out who the hell is stealing your share. Big brother comes to the workplace. It's time. All right. Do you have another thing? What do you got? Smart hairbrush. This thing has been very controversial. This is a real big controversy.

This is the Karistas hair coach powered by Withings. There's a microphone in here. Well, there's actually like multiple microphones, and there's also an accelerometer. So you brush your hair, right? I like the practical diagnosis. People have been talking about the price. This is like a really high quality brush.

You can buy a hairbrush for like $300. This is under $200. And it's going to tell you, like, it will vibrate at you if you're brushing too hard. Yeah. But it also can detect, like, if your hair's like dry or brittle, it'll be like, hey, don't take a shower or don't wash your hair tomorrow.

Paul's dream gadget. You're cool, man. Oh, no, that's great. You know, like, don't wash your hair tomorrow. You get some more moisture in there. We'll also recommend that you buy Caristice products. Of course. Which is part of the controversy.

I think for some people, this might be like, this is telling me to do more work. For other people like me, like I used to have long hair, I was really bad to my hair. This was luxurious. Yeah, it was nice, but I didn't do a good job. And I felt bad, and this maybe would help me be a little smart about my hair.

It's an underline? Under $200, it's going to be available mid-2017. Right. So I will say you should read this on The Verge. This sparked a big debate amongst particular of female reporters. They wrote a great little conversation about it. You should check it out. It's a really interesting idea.

I mean, to me, it's let's put sensors in things and see where they go. But I think some of the controversy around it has been really interesting as well. So you should definitely go check that out. Speaking... Wait, you got one more thing? I was just going to brush Deita's hair for him real quick. It's going to be that kind of show, huh? All right, Ashley.

Speaking of Beauty... This is really happening right in front of me. That's quality, quality brush. Let me tell you about the quality. Please, please. Paul is done. I'm done. She's going to wheel himself away.

Ashley, tell us about this mirror that you have in front of you. Okay, so it has a lot of fingerprints right now. Sorry, that's all me. Yeah. It scans your face and tells you essentially what's wrong with you. What? I mean, like, it's not a mean way. It's just a reality.

We all have wrinkles. We all have pores and blemishes. And it, like, identifies them for you? Yes, so I can show. If you have the same one over time, will it eventually learn to not make you feel bad about it? Is it ever going to be like, stop drinking? No, I mean.

Good recommendation. It's just like, they're probably wondering. It's just going to show a picture of cigarettes. You're like, no, no more of these. So I'm swiping right now. Yeah, look at this. It's all gesture control.

Oh, you don't even touch it? You just touch it? Well, yeah. So the idea is you never touched the mirror, but of course we did to get it on here. So there's, in theory, no fingerprints. Okay. So you set a baseline.

I just want to warn the viewers at home. My face is going to be very large on here and highlighting all of my flaws, which is awesome. I'm so excited. Cut to Paul brushing his hair again. So good. Let's see if I can do it.

If I can go. Not see you? The lights are confusing it. Maybe, yeah. Yeah, the lights are probably confusing the sensor. Well, anyway, so the idea is that you set a baseline, and over time, it will keep track of how your skin is doing. So if you're really into beauty products, you want to know if it's making a difference. Right, so the argument here is that you buy the super expensive thing, and this will help you verify whether or not that works.

Here's a previous one of someone. We can stop it there. But anyways, yeah. So there you have in the mirror. Yeah. You going to buy this mirror? It's expensive. Does a mirror make you feel like the first?

Can makes you feel? I'd be interested to try it out. Like, I'd want to put in my house for a week, see how I'd do with it, and then go from there. Yeah. How do you feel about the controversy on these beauty products here? Because our staff isn't talking about basically all day. Yeah, I've been, you know, in CES Madness,

and then I heard some people were very upset about the hairbrush. I mean, the hairbrush is created by a brand, so that is a little, like, they're only going to recommend L'OOO products. So I get why that's a bad. But I don't have a problem with beauty products. Megan, what's for tech? I would probably use it. I would probably throw it in the trash after the first time, but I would try it.

But that's like all smart devices. I mean, yeah, that's pretty accurate. Everyone has a drawer full of Fitbits. I've got a drawer full of fridge cams. That's why I've been so down on it. It's been a real rocky road on me surveilling my food. I love the thought of like looking in the mirror. I made this joke earlier, but it's like, I'm beautiful.

I am confident that it's like you have wrinkles in the trash. Yeah, that's the one thing. You can't correct wrinkles really. You have to get Botox, which is just like, how do you fix it? Yeah. All right, circuit breaker team. Anything else? You know toys to play with?

These guys are going to be out on the floor all this week, looking at stuff. We're going to try to go on on some adventures ourselves, but mostly the family is going to be out there. We are done for today, actually. The show went by Lightning Fast. Really happy we had everybody here. We'll be back tomorrow with more Vergecast live from CS here on Twitter. The drone rodeo is back. Ben was going to be wearing some pants, I believe, this time around.

We've got some driverless cars. We've got lots of stuff. That's it. See you tomorrow.