The Vergecast - Getting in touch with Android Wear

Episode Date: March 21, 2014

The Vergecast is a discussion of all things relevant and irreverent in the worlds of art, culture, science, and technology. On this week's episode, we discuss the announcement of Android Wear, the presence of VR at GDC 2014, and the hiatus of the show. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, and welcome to the Vergecast for the what is going on with my hair. What is happening? It really is like, if I keep my head in this position, it's okay. Yeah, I think it works. It's like a serious way. It's fine in every position. Welcome to the Vergecast for the week of March 17th, 17th, 2014. I'm Josh Topolski.

I'm Dieter Bonn. I'm David Pierce. There it is. And I know what you're thinking. Where is Katie and T.C.? Why isn't the wine cast going down? T.C. might be dead. Is that possible?

TC is, well, Katie made a lot of threats. A lot of threats. TC's cowboy hat turned out to be alive. I just got an email on my Asha 210. I get a pop-up notification. Is that even a thing that's possible? Wow. Can you get emails on your Asha 2-10?

Pretty cool, right? Let me view it right now on the cool mail app. Just to load that up. Just loading up the mail-out. This really does make me want a yellow phone really badly. Yellow phone is where it's all happening. It's all happening. Here it is.

Here's my email. Just loading. Still loading. Let me tell you what the Asha 210 is not fast. Okay, anyhow. But how many sins do you have? At least two. At least.

I'm living in international lifestyle. You're a man of mystery. I'm a man of international dual sim citizen. Somebody's like, Josh, you're needed in Dubai right now. I'm there. I'm there. I just pop my Dubai sim in and call it a day. Not even a problem.

Or my Dubai sim may already be in there. You don't know. I may have just come back from Dubai. Anyhow, this is the Vergecast. We were discussed the week in items that we're interested in talking about. Josh's travels. By, New Mexico, whatever. Actual Mexico, actual Mexico, actual Mexico.

Old Mexico, I guess is what it would be. Because actual would be like, it would be what is, fake Mexico and actual Mexico. What if there were an English settlement in Old Mexico? It would be Ye old Mexico. Ye old. Ye old. That's definitely a place in Vegas. Yeah.

Or New would have an E on the end of it. Right. New E. new. Anyhow, a lot of stuff talking about this week. A lot of things that are discussed. And I got to tell you, this is an exciting Verge cast for reasons that I can't tell you yet. And may decide to not tell you. But we'll see. We're just winging it. I just heard Ross laugh. Yeah. He's like, oh, God, don't do this to me. Yeah. Anyhow, but, sorry, I'm just checking on my hair and trying to figure out of it. Just and take your time. I got, you do, by the way, business cash, Thursday cash going on. Thursday cash? Yeah. Is that a thing? I'm just like, so, I'm like, I'm like, so. I'm like, I'm like, so. I'm like, I'm like, so. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, so. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I Oh, whatever. Thursday. You know what I mean? Yes, that is, am I quoting Aval Levine?

Yes, I am quoting Avrilavine. As you should. A Canadian goddess, if there ever was one. Am I right? No. Minnesota. No. What's the Minnesota Canada?

Duck Duck, Grey Duck, Man. Duck, Grey Duck, Forever. Minnesota Canada connection. It's the weather, right? Yeah. Have you heard of this? Duck, Dug, gray duck instead of duck, goose?

Sure. That is nonsense. Yeah, so everybody knows that. That's... I've never heard that. Okay, thank you. If you look at that... Duck, what?

Everywhere in America, except for Minnesota, they play Duck, Duck, Duck, Goose, this insane game that is clearly inferior to what we play in Minnesota, which is Duck, Duck, Grey Duck. Duck. Yeah. So it's like, you're a duck, you're a duck, you're a duck, but your color is gray. Yeah, but no, but if it's not like a rock, duck, duck, goose, whatever. Yeah, we can handle. Wow, look at this. Yeah, see?

Looks crazy. Because you can go yellow duck, blue duck. So there is a Canadian connection, though, to that. right yeah that's probably what they do what about in Canada do we know I think that it's just goose goose goose goose goose goose goose it's just goose goose it's like it's like a goose goose goose a can you run yeah and then you apologize afterwards sorry sorry about that um so anyhow uh so a lot to talk about this uh week a lot to talk about let's just start with what i consider to be one of the most exciting pieces of news I've heard in a while.

Christian Bale may be the next Steve Jobs. Well, it's like we're like six steps away from maybe. It's like might possibly potentially maybe be considered. The rap had a story today, which is that Fincher is like Christian Bail is my only choice to play Steve Jobs in my not officially announced. Maybe is not happening, but is happening. So all we know, we know the movie is happening. And we know Sorkin is writing it.

Right. Those are the only things we know for sure. Is that on paper? Is that a fact? I believe so. Yeah, that's a fact. Yeah, I think we think it's going to be like three scenes surrounding. Oh, right, around like launch events. The launch event.

That's an old, that's an old rumor, isn't it? Yeah, it is. No, but Sorkin has said that. So that's true. Okay. That is true. This is what, listen, I can tell already, this is what people pay their Vergecast money for this conversation. Listen, let me just lead this discussion by saying that I think this is a mistake.

Why? No. That's the. Here's what I'll say. After seeing him in American Hustle, which is, just watched. He's so good in that movie. Surprised, very surprised by his, the depth. And I feel like nobody talks

about him being in that movie. He's the star of the movie. I feel like it's not really covered. Christian Bell can do angry Steve Jobs just fine. Like, here's, you know, he can freak out on people. And that needs to happen. But does he have a reality distortion field? Does he inspire, like,

love and hope? He can be angry. That's like 100% what he does in American hustle. Yes, I would say he has a soft side. That's like that's his whole character. I've never seen that soft side. I feel like the look is there. I feel like this works, you know. Yeah, wow. See them side by side. And he can actually on the left, right? He can act. This guy can act. Bayle can't and he'll lose weight. He'll gain weight. You know, but jobs had huge weight fluctuations. In the 90s and in the early 2000s, he was actually kind of heavy. You know, there's like a period where so that's like we know Christian bail can just jam on that. No problem. Machinist. He looks insane in it, right? Yeah. So, you know, it's. So, you know, it's. It's kind of a bummer to talk about, but that if you need someone to get sick to look like they're really truly sick on film, like Christian Bail's your man. He's your guy. He's like, how much weight do I need to lose? Give me 20 minutes. He's like original birth weight, no problem. I'm there. I have intense and angry, but I don't know. Eight pounds, six ounces. I'll buy my money. But he's, he's like, he's compelling in part because he's so often inscrutable. And I don't think that's inscrutable. He wears its heart on his sleeve. And I don't think I can get that out of it. No, I can see it. I totally see it. I'm completely, now that they've said that, if it's anybody else, I'm going to be very upset and disappointed.

Like, who else? No, Is anybody else even out there is a possibility? No Wiley. Well, that would be an interesting. Look, here's the problem, though. He's not going to carry. They're not going to put Noah Wiley in the Fincher, Sork and Written Jobs.

He just can't carry a movie like that. They need star power. You know, it would be great Tom Cruise. Just running it out there. Can we get a picture of Tom Cruise next to an old picture of Steve Jobs? I don't know. It could work. I mean, I think it could work.

honestly. Tom Cruz. Christian Bales in the right. Horrible human. Pretty good actor. No, he's a great person and a great actor. My personal friend, Tom Cruise.

That's right. What? You got their pals. I hung out with Cruz. Oh, that's right. Cruise missiles, I refer to him. I bet he likes that a lot. He was great.

One of the greatest people I've ever met in my entire life. Did he leap on couches? You don't understand. I've told this story before. But many years ago, I started like, even like, I really hadn't seen that many Tom Cruise movies.

I started like talking about, you know, because here's the thing about Tom Cruise, in a lot of social, in a lot of social circles. Tom Cruise gets some guff. Like, you were just, you were just, that terrible person, great actor or something. Maybe that's terrible. Totally, totally could play him. Yeah, this could actually be right.

I'm feeling very good about Tom Cruise in that role. Very good. And by the way, he's got a vulnerability. Have you seen him in Magnolia? Incredible performance. It's true. Anyhow, so many years ago. Good crier, Tom Cruise.

Many years ago, pre-Magnolia, which is one of my favorite movies, and he's excellent in it. Paul Thomas Anderson, by the way, should check it out. If you haven't seen it, it's three and a half hours. You know, I used to factor my long plane rides by going like, well, this is like, two magnolias. So anyhow, I had this kind of running joke that people would be like, oh, Tom Cruise, you know, ugh. And I'd be like, yeah, I think he's great.

He's actually my favorite actor. And then it turned into, like, I started really, like, getting into Tom Cruise and watching his films. And then it was like, I became, like, fairly obsessed with Tom Cruise and excited. Like, if he was on a talk show, I would, like, stay up to tune in. Well, not stay up, but I would make sure to tune in. Stay up way past your bad time. You know, I would, if his film of his was on TV, I would definitely watch it.

And then finally, I got to totally hang out with him. backstage at late night, which was truly the pinnacle of my existence as a human. And I just, I remember how I was saying you were. I remember how I was having a baby. It was birth of my child and then having a conversation with Tom. And he like legit, anyhow, I don't want to go into, but he like came into the dressing room and like talked about books with with me and Laura for like 10 minutes. Is he a reader? It was insane.

He was he was reading, he was reading. No, we were talking about this series. No, we were talking about the series that he was really into called the, I think it's called the Lensman, which is like a 19, 20. No, no. It's like from the 1920s, the Lensman series. Yeah. It's a space opera written by Edward Elmer Doc Smith. And, yeah, it was first published in 1937.

He started writing these stories. Anyhow, he was like talking about how he wanted to do. He was like, he said insane things that only a talk to Greece type person would say. He said things like, I'm trying to convince Ron Howard to make the movie. Wow. Which is just like a con. He says that all the time You know, I was like, that's nuts

Anyhow, he's lovely man It's got to be weird to be Tom Cruise. I just want to spend more time with Tom Cruise. Is he as short as everyone says? You know, he didn't seem that short to me. I'll be honest with you. I'm a tall guy. I'm six foot four, I'm very tall.

He did not strike me as that short. What are we listening to Ryan? He just had such a commanding presence. Oh my God, yes. So great. See, Tom Cruise is awesome. This could actually totally work. Tom Cruise is so great.

What are we watching here? What is this? Top something, Tom Cruise. Top 10. Tom Cruise moments. I mean, by the way, could totally play Steve Jobs, my opinion.

I mean, that kind of looked like Steve Jobs. Yeah, totally. Totally. He's got the intensity. He's got the vulnerability. He could yell at you. Now that I've thought of this,

I actually feel Christian Bill is a poor substitute. Poor substitute for Tom Cruise. That would be crazy. Fincher, if you're watching, which I know you are because you're a huge Vergecast fan, David Fincher. First of all, hey. It starts off high again.

Thank you. Second, think about Tom Cruise for that. I kind of want Christian Bill and David Fincher to make a movie together though maybe not this one they've they've made have they not made a movie together oh yeah that's the right i guess you're right anyhow we spend far too much time talking about tom cruise um that's that's impossible okay somebody just got surprised i just got a tweet hot tweet coming in they did not know i was six foot four also uh there was a suggestion

mccanahey no terrible i don't know i could see it he could kind of do anything at this point he's got a lot of range like i'd give it to him he'd be he'd be good he'd be good for the parts where see jobs is a total wreck like a complete maniac. The also, the other problem is, like, you can't make Matthew McConaughey not extraordinarily handsome. Like, Christian Bale, like, pulled off being fat, but, like, fat Matthew McConaughey would still be pretty good-looking dude. Yeah. That's a problem.

Anyhow, so that's, so that story is we don't know the, we don't know the tail end of it yet, but that's very interesting. Yeah. I mean, Fincher wants, apparently wants Bail to play jobs. Which is such a power move. He's like, you know this huge budget movie you're making. I will only do it. If you give me everything I want. Just put anybody with a beard to Steve Jobs.

Like, well, he's got facial hair, so I mean, I guess. You know, that's good work. I mean, it could work. It's like, you know, a good looking guy with a beard. So, Sony, I'm available, you know. There is. One more thing. He's a good yeller.

This guy. I know it for sure. What? Yeah. And cry, cry. I was going to say, are you good crier? It doesn't really work. I mean, the glasses are, yeah, thanks.

Not seeing it so much Although, you know, Jobs actually had kind of a nose on them. Like, when you look at that, it's sort of kind of big. I mean, have you considered throwing your head out a lot? I'm not about the hair, though. Yeah. Well, I actually, my hair is long, getting longer. Now I'm actually thinking about growing it like a little bit longer.

Just really going for it. I'm thinking about going for like a full-on beautiful main that I can throw back into a pony. Or a mini pony. Sure. Are you just call it a pony? Or like a bun. Yeah, yeah, I'm just going to call it a pony. Can we get a shot?

Can I see a picture of either Christian Bale or John Depp with like a little bit of a ponytail because that's what I'm going for. Or a Jared Leto, I think, has had been rocking a pony at some point recently. That's who I'm, that's my emmary. Jared Leto can wear a pony. I'm trying to find pictures of you from when I first met you at the launch of the, it was super long. At the launch of the Centro, I believe it was. Oh my God. Centro launch. I remember that. That was a shit show. Deeter's whole life is just measured by launch. That was when I was Ed Colleggan. I had mobbed Ed Colligan and was like, hey, I want to do an interview with you. And he was like, contact my people. right, boom, right there. That's my new shit. That's justifiable.

There I am, except super duper beautiful and good looking. Anyhow. So you talk about watches? Android wear. Android wear. This is a huge deal. This is a huge deal for me on several levels, but Android wear. So Google had this like what seemed like a totally, I don't know, like really bad way to roll out this thing.

It's like one day we're sitting around and then one minute later like, oh, like it's one, it's regular life and then a minute later like, hey, we've created a, like a total. totally new version of Android to run on watches and wearable. It was also super weird. There you go. There you go. That's great. It's perfect. But what if you lost a bunch of weight?

Could work. I could see it. The same piercing gaze. They're just looking into your soul right now. They're just looking at things. No, but the weird thing was we were at Southby. This is last week? South by.

That's South by Southwest. South by South by South West. South by if you're in the no, which it's cool if you're not. Yeah. But we were at South by last week. And Sundarpechai is on stage doing an interview. Head of Android. Head of Android in Chrome.

He's like the guy in charge of all this stuff. And he sort of, he said that there was going to be... He said there's going to be like APIs and stuff so that Android can work with wearable devices. It's coming soon. We're going to release a little update, like a point update to Android. It includes me. But he was so nonchalant about it that the guy who was interviewing him, John Battelle, had to literally point out into the audience to be like, hey, guys, this is news.

Yeah. And he was so, like, it just wasn't even a thing. And then they just, like, vomit this up on the internet. So here it is. And it was a vomit on the internet. This is Android where it's broken. Yeah. It's like it's like it went up and then all of a sudden all these manufacturers like LG Motorola.

Did HCC say they're doing? They said they're very excited about something or other. They announced them as a parker but they haven't actually said anything. So it's obviously going to be a square or circular interface. And here's what buggy me. It's driving me insane about the circular interface is that it has this little line at the bottom. Well, that's just that device. No, but no.

But I mean, look at these demos. These are all square. Every one of their demos is square. It also shows it on the demo here. You can see it shows the little line, which is insane. They're showing a lot of square. They did show some circular. I wish they would show it again.

Well, the circular demo they're showing is the Motorola watch. That's the only circular one we've seen. Yeah. Yeah. But so let me just say, so anyhow, long and short is this interface looks really good. Yeah. And looks totally like what I would want and have expected. But Motorola showed off this device called the Moto 360.

And it is a circular. looks like a regular metal watch. It's very big. It's 46mm, which is pretty big. Although not comparatively to like a lot of... Compared to like your watch right there. This is probably a...

I think this is like a 42. Okay. So it's a little bigger, but not. You know, you get used to it. It's weird because I used to have a... I always thought like, oh, I want a smaller watch. Like a Rolex Explorer. I don't have you ever seen one.

Not that I can afford a Rolex Explorer. But they have a... It's like a 36. Right. And I was like, yeah, that's about the... the size I want, but when you look at it, it actually now kind of looks like a little small. It looks like a small, it looks like a small watch. Yeah.

And so, so watches have been getting progressively bigger. 46 is big, but it's not ridiculous. What I will say is, um, it looks awesome. Yeah, it does. The interface looks awesome. The watch looks, it's not the exact watch that I, the, the, the watch design that it's plain. It's very basic, which is fine. I'm not complaining about that.

But the whole concept looks great. And, um, I'm like really excited about it. I mean, Motorola has a history of making circular displays. They made the aura. I mean, I definitely talked.

I think there may be a Vergecast or several where I'm like, Motorola made the aura. Why don't they just take that display and put it on a watch? I mean, kind of what they did. Yeah, kind of what they did. I thought I was looking at oras on eBay recently, like before this stuff. And it was such a cool phone.

And look, they were big on like the clock for the oil. No, no, no, we had all kinds of crazy clock stuff. Yeah. So this is a really cool development, I think.

Like the question is, can they execute on it? Can they pull off this this breathtaking design and also have a good interface and have it work with your device? And battery life. And well, battery life is a big one. Yeah. I mean, I really. I would argue the biggest thing.

Like that's ultimately the thing that matters the most. Especially these are like big color displays. Yeah. Like that's I, I'm willing to charge it once a day. Like I will go that far. Like I'm happy to charge it at night. But I really, this has really drive me insane. This line at the bottom, there's like a little line.

Yeah. When I was about to get on the phone with Jim Wicks, I was sitting in a meeting with Jordan and Billy, two of our video directors. And they both were like, you have to ask him about the line. But here's the thing. So they're saying,

it's a square interface and that's so it's cutting off the bottom. Well, the interface will work both circles. Like Google designed it to work in either case. So why doesn't it just fill in the color of whatever is in that part with the, you know, I feel like this is an interface. I think the display stops there. It's not like,

why would the display stop there? No, I mean, then it wouldn't be a round display. Yeah, then how do you do a clock? Is it display fully round? We see the clock face close up, the watch face that the Motorola shows.

It's like a black watch face. It just looks like a watch. I'm pretty sure it takes up the whole thing. Can we get? Yeah, that takes up the whole screen. Yeah, that takes up the whole screen. No, there's also, they show a person wearing it with the watch face in one of these images. I think the one just above this.

No, no, I see that. Can you scroll up, though? I want to see the, yeah, can you zoom in on that image? Yeah, you see like the hand is there. It is, you can see it in the other. one as well. So they can go full screen. It's not the display. Yeah. That is, that goes all the way down there. You can see I guess this one's better. Yeah. Yeah. It's all the way down. No, no, no, it's not. I told you. The screen is cut off. Go back to that.

Zoom in again. Screen stops. Wow. This is a shocking revelation. Yeah. Why? That makes no sense. Why is it doing that? Physics, man. Oh my God. What if, hey, what if I'm about to blow your mind super hard right now? What if that's a small solar strip? under the glass. What? It's solar and so it's getting recharged. So on the Hangout, Jim, which said, how else would you have? There's no USB port.

We're not talking about how it's charging, but it's really exciting. It's part of our special. Dude, think about it. That would be crazy. That would be exposed all day long to light. Well, you were talking about this the other day about that would be insane if it would do motion or something for how to charge it. Or maybe it's a combo.

Yeah. Motion. And, I mean, anyhow, well, wait, what? The back's purple. Well, inductive charging is one thing. Yeah, you got to... That's fine. But you don't...

You want this thing to last all day and beyond. Right? Yeah. Well, and it's like, it's a... You know, there are a million reasons that it seems like it might not. Like, it's... It's a lot of gear. It's not super thick.

It's a lot of gear. It's an LCD screen, which means usually bad things. It's a lot of stuff for it. It's not an OLED. No. It's weird that you can go with OLED. Yeah, I don't totally know why that is. Well, probably because you can't see it in, and you can't see it in daylight.

That too. You know, basically. I mean, it's gotten better, but... Anyhow, I'm excited. I'm really excited. Here's the thing. So they're not the only people who can make a watch. Anybody can make a watch using this interface. It is like plays on Google now, which has been great. I actually feel like Google has made Google now a little bit less good recently. Like they've changed some of the ways that it works.

Do you see the thing they added yesterday? No, what's that? Okay, Google, take a picture. Why would you do that? I don't know. I'll take a photo. I mean, so I asked, we'll take a photo. What's the point of this? When I talk to Jim Wicks, the Motorola's head of design, I asked.

specifically about a camera. I was like, why didn't you include a camera? People seem to like it. And he got very cagey and was like, well, you haven't seen everything that we're doing yet. And then this happens. I'm like, well, maybe that's the answer. No, but that's great, but like I don't need my watch

to take a photo. I think it's a terrible idea. But every, like, the, the galaxy gear, it's like the most popular thing about it is people taking weird pictures with it. Why? I don't get it. I don't understand.

I mean, I'd much rather have a real decent camera and a smartphone. Yeah. So anyhow, I'm excited about the interface. I'm excited about the possibility. I will say everybody was like they're just showing off. These are all just demos. These aren't real things.

But they did, was it Jim Wix? Who did a hangout with somebody? And he actually has a working device. You can see him going through. So there is something. I don't think these guys, this is just vapor way. Yeah, well, they've released an SDK and it works. Like, we can look at it.

So what is this right? Actually, I think we did a story on it. Do we do a story on that? Oh, we're working on something? Yeah. But I think we have it. We can actually show some of this stuff that's working here. Oh, this is a live demo.

right here? So the way it works is like there's a home screen and you can tap on the G button to do voice inputs or you can say okay, Google, but it doesn't work. Oh, right. Oh, cool. So it's the SDK. If you swipe up that sort of like brings in your notifications. Okay, let's see this.

And maybe I should. There are no notifications. Are you going to, this is Evan is running this? I'm going to say. It's exciting, although this is extremely boring. Now, presumably this would be like a nice watch face that a third party developed for the lock screen. Yeah. Yeah.

So that came in. And so if you swipe up, it's not cut off. So they're doing, they're cutting it off for a reason. So open that message. So Motorola is getting off. When you open a message, you can, there's basically swipe up is open the message. Swipe down is go down to the home screen. If you swipe to the left, it gives you options to interact with it.

Can we see that? So if like you can mark as red, you can reply. So it's kind of like a little bit like the Google Glass interface. Yeah. And then if you swipe it to the right, it dismisses it. And it also dismisses it on your phone. Can we see that? Oh, that's awesome.

The fact that it sinks back is huge because that's the thing I hit about most smartwatches, especially like pebble that it doesn't do a good job. So that's syncing, that's not syncing to Evan's phone. That's just coming through on hang out. Well, it's because it's the SDK, it's like, you know. Right. But the idea is that it'll sync back to your phone. Right.

Yeah. So the whole thing. The whole thing, there's no like native apps on it, at least not yet. It's all notifications and stuff. But presumably they'll, presumably that you're going to be able to make apps for. They will have like maps for the, it's very. It's very simple. I mean, you send like detailed notification information, like directions on maps or whatever.

You can play music on it. Well, right. You can control music on it. This feels like totally like the future. Well, so in fact that it's circular just feels like really cool. If they can pull this off and it gets, it runs well and has okay battery life. Like, even if the display is like a little, like what's the resolution of the display? Do we know?

We don't know. They're not talking about it. Even if it's like, they're like, they're really reluctant to talk about. But they said this is going to be out in the summer. Yeah. Yeah. So that's really soon. Well, LG's is a summer. Is this one for sure? No, I think Motorola said summer.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that's really soon. Yeah. Right. Now, presumably. It's working.

Like, they clearly have a thing that's working. So they must be in the phase of just tweeting. Now, when is, when is Google I. It's usually in May? So we're going to see, we're going to hear an announcement. I'm guessing that, you know, in the Google I.O. package, they always give to all the developers there. Did you hear that for Google Io, it's now like a random lottery for developers?

Really? Yeah. Instead of just first come for a serve and it sells out in a minute. Two seconds. Yeah, it's a lottery. I've been saying. So I think that, I think that we're obviously going to see a bunch of devices there, or at least like very fully functioning devices.

My guess is they're going to have a developer. There's going to be some, here's the developer platform, right? Like a Nexus 5. Well, they're going to do that. Well, they're going to do that, but they're also going to roll out like the app store at IA. That's what I would hope. They're going to be like these things are out now. And also here are all the apps that people built.

I am not confident there's going to be an app store for the watch. I am not 100% confident. It's not going to just be Google Now on your wrist with these super notifications that it sends. I don't know. It feels like... They've talked pretty explicitly about one and third-party developers to make apps for it.

Yeah, but there is the battery... Apps on the phone that, like, push stuff to it. Like, the thing, the question is, will this thing exist separate from your phone? Right. Or is this like... And I don't think it has to. It's like glass.

It's a peripheral. Well, also, it's kind of like notifications. I mean, notifications actually can be pretty robust on Android, right? So you can do a lot with a notification. You can reply in a notification. You can, like, share from a... notification. You do all kinds of things that are like really useful. Existing notifications just work on it right now. It's just you can do more if you want to. Right. I mean, I'm just saying like beyond Google now,

my guess is it'll tap into the notification system of Android. Yeah, it does. Which is like its most powerful system. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. Like I find that I interact with the note in it. Yeah. Yeah. I find that my notifications are so constant and they're so easy to interact with that I'm like almost that's my application switcher. Like that's how I get around the phone. It's really interesting. Even just little things like being able to archive an email from the notification is amazing. Look at this. What's going on here? This is a guy saying about how to make stuff talk to Android wear.

So, it's very exciting. So I guess it works at Android 4.3 and up. Okay. So the other thing I think is really cool about this is that it's, they're talking about how it interacts with Chromecast. What? Which is going to be a remote for Chromecast. Oh, that's an awesome idea.

Here's the thing. I was messing with the Chromecast the other night. I have one in my bedroom. It's so awesome. I keep buying them just randomly for notes. It's $35. I'm like, I'll take it on a lot of.

But here's what's crazy by the Chromecast. Like, how many TVs do you have? It's the best selling thing on Amazon. Okay, but here's the single best selling electronic. That doesn't make any sense. But here's the thing.

But here's the thing that I don't understand with the Chromecast. Like why can't they just build in a airplay like function for like if I have a video like, if I have a video like, if I shot a video of my baby, which I've done. Yeah. And I want to watch it in my, in my Android phone. And I want to watch and I have like video playback. And I want to watch it in the Chromecast. whether I'm in the photos app or the gallery app, there's no way to do it.

There's no, there's no, there's no native play. You can cast a tab for your computer. There's an app now that's called Allcast. No, all cast does it. It's great. All cast does it. But like what I'm saying is that should be something

that's natively built into any, well, any place you can play video on your device, it should say like, okay, not third party apps, but like if you have video on your device. Right. Because that's the best thing. And even third party apps,

then it's like Airplay. But my understanding, I mean, I think the thing is, is that because it's not streaming from the device, there's no way for it to happen. Right. I mean,

you have to have an intermediary, which is what Allcast is, right? Right. And that's the best thing about Airplay is that it's just built in everywhere. No, that's the thing. If you play anything, it just works. No, no, it's incredible.

Like when you, I mean, that's like, it's brilliant on an Apple device. Yeah. When you have like, oh, I'm watching this in my ABC app or I don't know if ABC does it, but a bunch of them do. And it's just like, oh, you know, just throw it over to my TV.

Or if I'm watching a video that I have, like that I, you know, saved to the device or whatever, just watch it. It's just like totally seamless. Like they have not gotten that at all. If they could get something, if they could just create their own intermediary on the device that's like play to Chromecast or whatever.

But I think they'll get there. And I think the watch is actually like the perfect remote for all of this because like, and you know, we're talking everybody's talking about the internet of things. Alice claims that the Chromecast doesn't have the processing power to push those kinds of push those kinds of pixels. He also called you bro. He called me bro.

So he just ruined his argument. He's an Apple TV fan. Two conspiracy theories about why Android Wear got announced this week. Yeah. One is they wanted to, they knew that they waited until I.O. That would either leak or Apple would announce something ahead of them. That's the most obvious one. Definitely true.

Second one is the gear fit, which seems like one of the better wearables out there right now, just got announced at $199. It's on pre-order. What is it? The gear fit. But it runs Tyson. So instead of like letting Samsung sell a single one of these, they're like, you know what? We're going to announce this right now.

Just wait a second. It's a pretty harsh. It's a pretty harsh diss from Google to Samsung. Well, I mean, Samsung switched to Tyson, so screw them. But also, like, yeah, I mean, so here's how Google feels for sure. So here's the question. Samsung's a partner for Androidware. Yeah.

So do you think that? Well, that's why Samsung's the best. They're like, we're going to make everything. Whatever. And shut up. That's the Samsung. Do you think that somebody like a company like Pabble will adopt, I guess they won't because they want to be OS agnostic.

Yeah. Yeah. Although I, you know, it's not compatible. I mean, but on some level, like, I don't see how, unless this is terrible, unless Androidware is terrible, which is, there's a non-zero chance of it being terrible. So I actually asked. I don't see how Pebble survives. Like, I, why would anyone buy a Pebble if this works at all? Well, we just actually ran a story.

We just ran a story. They sold 400,000 smart watches. He's not actually that worried about it. Really? Yeah. I mean, I asked him. Okay. And he's like, you know, at least not, now we've got something.

Yeah. I mean, I guess Pebble's like a, yeah. small enough company that they don't need to be right they don't need to sell 100 $400,000 to be successful yeah that's a big number and if they can keep it cheaper than whatever these things costs and presumably they will that might help 249 for the pebble steel is like what's happened that that sorry that we have a situation that i'm just reading about here amongst our staff members that um Evan rogers and nathan psychert have um their con their v card has merged yes that happened to me how are you reading this it's it's it's it's

Evan just sent an email to our entire staff titled, I am not Nathan Seinfeld him. And then Laura like trolled him, and now I'm really confused. Yeah, this happened to me. No, I think it happened to him. Well, it happened to something. I tried to send him a text for our little demo. It happened one night.

Of Android Wear and it went to Nathan Seikert. Very, very unusual and upsetting. Good thing I'm not sinking any of that information. Over to my mainframe. From now on, if anybody sends me a V-card, I'm not stall. My intranet. V-card. Anyhow

My intranet is solved It's fine Anyhow Nobody's getting into my internet No one will ever break into your intranet So okay So anyhow Androidware So let's just say

It's a very exciting development Let's hope I'm kind of pissed because I'm going to end up buying Like a lot of these I just want one decent Like look God it better be as good As they're showing it

I hope it's good If it's terrible If it stinks on this I'd be so upset Yeah Let's hope it's good Yeah I think it can be good

Like the I was talking talking with somebody about this the other day and like this, this makes real problems for Apple now because they used to their whole move. Does it though? No, but Apple's whole move was always like, this industry exists.

We're going to come in and make it great and beautiful and functional. No, that's what they'll do. They're going to go. They're going to go. No, no, no, no. They're going to go, no, but Google didn't do it because their, their, their, their, PR message was like really confusing and like random. Look, Apple's going to do this.

It's very, if they have any. Well, they're also going to put it on sale, really. Well, yeah, they're going to put it on sale immediately. If they have an event, Apple's going to do, I mean, if they have a device and they're going to have an event for it, which I believe they probably will. Well, there's been all these rumors they're going to do a TV thing in April. It sounds like they're going to have like that. Yeah.

Well, I don't know. I wonder. But they're going to have like a health device. Maybe like a WWDC thing. Health device of some type. Yeah, for health book. Is that what we've been seeing all this? Yep.

I don't know. I don't think that many people care enough about their health for that to make sense. It like measures your heartbeat. I don't care. But anyhow, so, but, uh, I'm fine. They're going to do an event. They're going to say, they're going to say, now, I'm,

going to say, now, of course, Jobs is the master of this, and they, like, are trying hard to replicate it. But, you know, they'll get up and they'll say, here's what, everybody's talking about wearables. Everybody's talking about these devices you wear on your wrist. And they're going to make fun of all these other guys. Yeah, yeah. You know, here's Samsung. This, you know, is like they're going to make fun of it.

The display doesn't even go the right way when you try to look at it. They're going to put the gear fit up. Then they'll show, Andrew, they'll say, Google announced these. There's no real products yet, but they say something's coming in the future. And they're going to say, what is all? This is all junk. We figured it out. He's going to, like, pull up his shirt sleeve and he'll just be there.

Yeah. What if he opens his shirt and it's a necklace? No, and that's, it's dependent. Johnny I just, like, pulls open his deep view. Well, Johnny I won't. He just dips it down. Johnny I won't be on stage because of his, because of his crushing stage fright. But, uh, I have stage fright.

But no, it's fine. Look, you know what? I'm afraid right now. I'm terrified. You ain't Johnny I. Yeah. Okay, my man. That's true.

You get Johnny I have money. Your stage fright should go away. That's true. You get a guy to help you. at any rate you're stage fright guy you stage fright guy yeah yeah

everyone needs to get just drooped up just be like shoot me out with whatever put me out there that's what I do um anyhow so they're gonna say

like they figured they cracked it they figured it out they got the awesome and maybe they do I don't know Apple might have an amazing device but like what would they do that would make you

more excited than this other than have a thing I can buy tomorrow I mean have something that works with an iPhone well I mean somebody's gonna

if Google doesn't make the Androidware work with an iPhone somebody will hack it to make it happen Well, it says... I would jail break for that in a heartbeat. Presumably it doesn't work.

I should jail break it anyway. The watch. Right. My guess is couldn't they create an app that communicates via Bluetooth? I mean, Pebble does. Presumably, yeah. I mean, that's a Pebble does?

Yeah. But it's way... Pevel is so much more, like, interesting and accessible if you use a Android phone. Well, there's more apps to do more weird stuff with the iPhone. It kind of does what it does and that's the same sort of notifications things where... But imagine a native device that plugs into the...

core features of iOS, and then that's the Apple device, right? If it does all that stuff. I mean, so notifications on a watch are super important. I would want to see Apple get notifications right on the phone before I trust it. Yeah, that would be nice. Notifications on my wrist. Oh, yeah, no, their notifications are absolutely terrible. Yeah.

They're absolutely pathetically bad. Yeah, by comparison. I actually was like, I was using my phone today. What? I was using my phone? Wow. I was it while I had the, was it your, was it your azherphone? I was using your asher phone.

What's that? The asher phone? Yeah, no, not my asher. I was using my Sony. How many SIM cards were you using? Which is, well, there were four. At least four SIM cards. Your speeds were outrageous.

No, but I was like actually, I was using, I was using the phone. I was doing, you know, moving from like whatever thing to thing. And I actually had this moment where I was like, I love, like, I love the way this function. I was like, this is great. Like, I can't believe, like, what this thing is doing. It's such an amazing device. And I have to say, like, I do have that. Every once in a while I have that kind of like sensation of like, my God, this is so crazy that this thing does all of the stuff that it does.

And, you know, it's a really cool, exciting feeling to have. I have to say, like, the last time I was using my iPhone, I did not have the feeling was the opposite. It was like, why are you doing this? Yeah. I do, you know, that is a great point, actually, about getting the notifications right on the phone before they try to get them right on a, on a, you know, but at least an interruptive, you know, an interruptive or kind of like, very basic notification on a watch does make a little bit more sense. But people are saying, the rumor is like, is that what Apple wants to do? The rumor is this is like a health device.

It doesn't really. It's not about like getting notifications and controlling your Apple TV or whatever. Well, I'm surprised that nobody has really done a good job of trying to combine those two things yet. Because like there's clearly a market for, yeah, I mean, like you're wearing both right now, right? Yeah. It's cool. But it's like a fashion. I look like I'm wearing like a, like a, like a, like a.

Bengals? Yeah, bangle. You're a pretty cool guy. Look like I'm in the Bengals are the right word. I look like I'm in the Bengals. No, I agree. I agree. Wow.

I got, I tried to search the internet for Bengals and it ended up searching my computer instead. And I've got some Bengals in my computer. I don't know what that means. Do you just take a. Is Bengals the music? Should we just take a bangles right now? I kind of do. I helped out my uncle.

I backed up some stuff for him and I still have it here. Classic story. I helped out my uncle. And now there's a bunch of banglese. English. Yeah. Music. You're welcome,

Bruce. On my computer. Uncle's. That was a weird kind of threatening gun-cocking motion you just made towards the screen. All right,

anyhow, so we don't know what Apple's going to do. Android Wear is he is here, but not a real product yet, but they're saying by the summer. Yeah. Let's move on. Let's talk about Verge.

Project Morpheus. Which is the greatest name of anything ever. It's a good name. No, it's the perfect name. What's a better name? A virtual reality. And, Project Neo. Project Trinity.

That's like that Sony's play. I know, by the way, I know Morpheus is not from the Matrix, but my assumption, but my assumption is, uh, it's also like, but dreaming and. Right. And my assumption is that that was the touchstone on this one. Yeah. Because it is like, because you do jack in on it. Yeah. Into it, whatever.

Um, so I'm, so, so this is Sony. Sony has created the VR headset. It looks like the thing from the future. It looks like this is the thing that's on the cover of the not, William Gibson novel from 1985. Like, they did new art, and this is the cover. It looks super duper futuristic. I mean, I kind of feel like this is what I've always assumed the eventual Oculus Rift

would look like. Or, you know, of course, you want to see the thing downsize. So we have done some, we've done some reports on this. And the word on the street from our, from our dudes seems to be, oh, is it we have to run the demo footage. Seems to be this thing is a contender. I don't know why it should be. I feel like this should be in the hero, by the way.

What's great about this is that they didn't, this wasn't some demo, some janky demo where they're running it off a PC and who knows it's prototype, whatever. They're running it right on a PlayStation 4. I have actually not watched this video. This could work. I have been so busy this week. I've not watched the video. It's so cool. It does full tracking so you know, you can turn your head and it uses the tools that are already on the PlayStation 4, the eye toy.

It definitely looks a lot more comfortable than the Oculus, the way it goes around. It doesn't have like the thing that goes all the way around your sort of ears and stuff. Well, and they're big on the fact that it's, it's waiting. It's a balance better on your face. So this combination with the move. So what these things are called? The move. It's been so long.

Yeah. This combo seems to me like pretty incredible. Yeah. I mean, I remember when we played with this on, where did we do that? Where were we playing with the move? It was on the verge show one time. It was on the verge. You did the Yohad Sebastian Jouse game.

No, but there was another thing that we did with the move. On an older on the verge? Might have been on an N-Gadgette show back in the day. It's beard stroke here. I'm just trying to remember, man. Anyhow, but the move is like a really incredible tool but has never been utilized. Right. This in a VR environment makes total sense to me.

Yeah, because that's the thing that sucks about Oculus, right? Is that it's like you're, you can see everything normally, but you can't actually do anything. But I think you're going to get into the situation where you've got those guys and it's like, where are my fingers? You know, you're going to want fingers. Yeah. They need to make a move. Like a sword fighting game. If you can play a sword fighting game in that way, like holding two.

This is me usually. I'm slashing you to death right now. I was a bunch more casual of hand motion. You were very kid. You know, those games. A sword fighting. A sword fighting. Sword and unlike.

I said what I said. I'm not just, we'll add it this out in post. No word. Yeah. You guys are gross. But look, is this it here?

I mean, it's virtual reality. This is so crazy. What's funny, what's funny about VR is that how much more real things look when you add the head motion of a normal person to it. Like, like this is a regular video game graphic. But when you add that like that articulation of head motion to it, it starts to like go like, oh, somebody's got a handheld camera.

And it kind of confuses your brain a little bit. Right. Well, it's not spinning. Like when you move in a game using an analog stick, you like spin really fast. Yeah. This moves at the right pace. It's crazy. Sorry, I'm just taking a sip.

So here's what we know. No price. Right. Not this year. No release date. Well, not out this year. Yeah. Which is like there's a lot of year left.

And meanwhile. And so who knows? what's up with this. Meanwhile, Oculus just released their final dev kit. Yep. Look at this. It's based on the Crystal Cove, but it's not the same.

This is it. This is what life is all about. Getting out of life and into a virtual reality medieval world where you're battling a dragon. This is it. I'm going to jack in so hard to this and never jack out. I'm done with you. I'm done with the world. I'm going to have like, give me like a feeding tube,

a catheter. Good to go. I'm done. Fair not. Catch you later. See you in the world, the virtual world that I've created. I'll only create a sick world. That's the other thing.

It's going to be called sick world. Sick world? Yeah. But it's going to make a game called sick world. It's just like a little bit of cool sick. Like skateboards everywhere. Like, kind of skateboarding and like cool, cool guys and girls just partying. You're going to gleam all the cubes.

Gleaming. There are going to be so much cube gleamage that you're not even going to know. You don't know what gleaming the cube is? Let me tell you by gleaming the cube. Are you kidding? Gleaming the Cube. Let me tell you about gleaming the cube. Do you know the story of gleaming the cube?

Gleaming the Cube is a movie from, I believe, the late 80s starring Christian Slater. Amazing. About skateboarding. Okay. Gleaming the Cube is not a terminal, not skateboard terminology, created by the writer of the movie or the director because they thought it sounded like a cool skateboarding tournament. It sounds pretty rare. Gleaming the cube.

Yeah. Anyhow. I want to do that with all my friends. The film was rebroadcast on television called. for the... We've talked about this in the Vergecast before I know it.

It was rebroadcast with a different title which is called like for the love of a brother or like... No. Revenge of a brother or something. Because like his brother

gets killed and he has to like reverevest... He has to like revenge him with his skateboard. Well now I don't want to see it. Is this some scenes from gleaming the cube? Could we see some cube gleaming here maybe?

There may be like some actual skaters in this movie by the way. This is a great movie. Like Tony Hawk, Tony Hawk may be in this movie. Yeah. Tony Hawk should be in every movie. Tony Hawk should be Steve Jobs

I actually just made it Tony Hawk is Steve Jobs I have a friend who runs a great skateboard company Yeah Yeah it's called Scum Cone Sons No I'm serious They make awesome they make awesome shit I'm plugging them now

I've plugged Scum Cone Sons Totally I don't know if our audience is ready For what they have to offer But very very good creative interesting stuff It's good enough But anyhow but this Are we still gleaming? Oh yeah here it is this might be the murder

I'm seeing here Hey gleaming the cube boom right there. So they just, they were like, you know, it sounds like a word.

Is this him? That's him. There he is. He's like, come on, man, I'm gleaming the cube. That's my impersonation of Christian Sider.

That's that. You thought that was him with the film. Right there he is. There he is. This totally gleaming. I don't know. Now I kind of want to watch this movie.

Yeah. Anyhow. So, uh, so smart watches. We were talking about Project Morpheus, virtual reality.

So Ocios has got their second dev kit. It gets rid of most of the motion sickness. It's high resolution. So they're not looking through a screen door. They said it's their last one, right? It's their last one before the consumer thing. And the thing, Paul Murakie said, is like, look, we know what we need to do to release a consumer version now.

We just, we're going to do it. We promise. We swear. What does that mean? What does he need to do? Make it more better. Make it more better. Make lots of them and then sell them for money.

But like the controls, like, their grand unified how we control virtual reality isn't figured out. And I don't think it's going to be by the time they release it. Right. But it's better, it's good. It's still a dev kit. I forget how much it costs. It's like $1,500. I mean, that's kind of why I'm psyched that Sony's doing this,

because Sony has all of the other pieces around it that will just work. Like, if you have a PlayStation, then you buy this thing, it just drops into the system that you have. Yep. That's really cool. Like, that would make me buy a PlayStation just because. You know what I don't do? Game on my BC.

Yeah, no, I'm not. That's the thing. Yeah. I got to say, $350. Why did I think $1,350? $350. What did you say? $100 million.

I know. The dev kit, is $350 is coming this July. It's really uncool what's happening over here. I mean, at least Oculus is shipping to real humans.

Sony just like, you know, is showing something off. Which, and Sony is, but Sony's product is going to be, I mean,

it's a PlayStation 4th. Also it looks like it's a product. Yeah. Right. Like, we don't know when Oculus is going to

release their consumer version. Right. Or if there's going to be a consumer version anytime in the near future. Presumably there will be. I hope there will be.

Oh, is this? What is this? Oh, this is this from the Engadgetts show? Oh, Here we go. Oh. It's some classic. Look at me without a beard.

O.G. It's disturbing and shocking. I got a little bit of something going on there. You can play Steve Jobs. This is like before the move was actually released, I believe. Through the day. You're sword fighting. You know what everybody wants to do with these things?

You know what I actually do some. That is why I bought a wee. What is my? What am I doing? Yeah. It was a huge disappointment. I bought it for 10. Look at this.

That was cool for like a day. Maybe I should shave my beard. Oh yeah I kind of like broke the sensor They were not loving this Yeah This seems like it went super great For everybody involved

Just put it in my pocket That's super great Oh yeah This is what happens This sword just floats I put it away It just floats there That's classic stuff

I don't know where that Sony logo came I think presumably it's gotten Slightly better since that Yeah Did you see this other thing That was like a demo That wasn't even a real Do you see this other demo

That's only did? Sean did it at GDC. So they did an eye tracking demo where you calibrate it by just looking at a couple of dots. And then you can play the video game just by looking at stuff. NSA, man. And it's way closer. And so like that data, give that data right over the second joystick.

You just look at the thing you want to shoot a fireball at and then hit the button. I don't get it. So you can look at it. Why would you want to do that? Because you don't have to steer then. Hand-eye coordination is like what drives human innovation. Without that, I'm just like, how am I going to, you know, look, oh, hey, can you make dinner, like, sorry, my, I can't do that anymore because my hand-eye coordination is blown,

because now I just look at things to get them. That's what's going to happen in the future. It's going to be like, hey, it's time to prepare. Hey, it's breakfast time. Can you scramble some eggs? And it's like, nope, because I have no hand-eye coordination because I'm used to just going like this all the time. I'm not sure you understand what hand-eye coordination is.

That's like, it understands all too well. I understand perfectly. Like, you are able to like look at things and do things with your hand, and now you're just looking at things. Nobody. You would normally hear with your hand. He legitimately is just doing this with his eyes. He's just looking at a thing and now he's going to look at another thing.

This game is apparently awesome. Yeah, and you can aim with pinpoint precision because you just look at the thing you want to shoot at. This would make me so much better at games because the thing I suck at is. But you have to move your eyes. Do you have to move your eyes? But they would make the games harder. I don't like this at all because you can never win. They will find new ways from the suck.

This is cool, but I don't like it. Josh Topolski. The Josh Sapolsky, sorry. This is pretty cool. Look at this guy who's shooting that dinosaur. Why are you shooting the dinosaur? What do he do? He's already dead.

Leave him alone. It's Sean, actually. I'm like yelling at a shot through the TV. Sean, leave that dinosaur alone. Poor dinosaurs. Looks fun. Look at this, like, what is the second son? Yeah.

This game looks really stupid. Apparently it's great. Well, you know how I feel. Everybody says, it seems cool, but I hate it. But I don't like it. Seems cool, but I don't like it. Yeah. All right.

Anyhow, so this is an exciting time, though. Here's what I'll say about the VR stuff. It's like really happening. Yeah. Like, maybe it's, It's not going to be another, you know, power glove situation. It's like really almost happening. Well, no, but I mean, that's better than...

I really want it to happen, happen. But really almost happening is a lot better than not happening at all. Yeah. And I feel, and I feel, that's true. Well said. No, but I feel like the, the, with Oculus, it was always kind of a, like, a neat idea that was never going to really be huge. Yeah.

And with, like, a company like Sony can, like, do this and make it big. This is the Sony that Sony needs to be. Yeah. Except they should have done this before Oculus. Yeah, I mean, they say they've been working out it for three years. They should have bought off them. They should have given Oculus a billion dollars. I bet Microsoft is going to buy Oculus now and be like...

Oh, snap. That is serious. And it's already PC compatible, so it's a short walk to paradise. They're in. So on and so forth. Or Sony will buy them, thus make it harder for Microsoft. Or Oculus won't sell because they got all that cash money. That's true.

75 mil just sitting on it. Yeah, you forgot all about their $75 million investment. Those $75 million dollars to son. Sony, Sony loses 75 million in these seat cushions of their, of their gigantic Hummer. Their gigantic Hummer limousine because that's what Sony drives around. I saw Nelly Furtado at the Sony building one time. Really? Really?

Nellie Furtado is a fun fact. It's a fact. It's a fact. Every time I hear her name, I just think of a Furtado is my problem. Nelly Furtado. I'm thinking, like, I was talking about omelets before, but, you know, I just said, Furtado just sounds like, if you think about it, I just said it, it sounded like Frotata to me. Yeah. Anyhow. Not important, not an interesting point, not anything that anybody should ever hear, somebody say.

Also, not a fun fact. Do you just check your watch? I got an alert. So, okay. Mr. Mr. Smartwatch over here. So I was sitting. I got an alert on my Asha, okay. Let me just get to that in several. It was the worst. We'll be back in several minutes. What was it? It was that your L train to Brooklyn is not backed up right now. Womp, womp. That's okay because you're not going to be on the L train for quite a while. That's right. We got a long night of us. Just get ready. No, but that's the thing that sucks about smart watches. I was sitting having dinner with my parents a couple weeks ago wearing my pebble.

And I kept looking every time I got a notification. And my mom got like mad at me. She was like, do you have somewhere to be? Like, why are you? And I was like, no, I just keep getting emails. It's like either that or pull up my phone. But it was like deeply offensive that I just kept looking at my watch. Being like, I'm going to go.

Well, no, once people get used to the idea that notifications are watches, then the social signal of looking at your watch will no longer be like, oh, can I get the hell out of here? But like right now that's more offensive than. like pulling my phone out of my pocket. Which is crazy. I'm going to tweet a photo. What are you doing?

I'm going to try to tweet a photo from here. Do you think I can tweet a photo from the Asha? I think that if we have a 20 minutes. It's loading right now. Oh my God. Huh? Let's see if I can tweet an Asha photo. It's pretty bad.

It's pretty bad photo. It's like two megapixels, right? It's two megapixels. All right. That's all you need. Here we go. Tweet. Can I add?

Oh my God. I can. This is crazy. This is really good vergecasting right now. No. Listen, this is classic VergeCatel. All right. This is loading my gallery here.

This is all I've wanted to know that all week. If you were to send me a DM from that, it wouldn't be encrypted. Trial it. Trying to make a transition while we're waiting. Twitter gave up on encrypting direct messages because they got other stuff to do. Yeah, Twitter's like, oh, we're busy. Oh, yeah, right. Are we talking about that?

Uh-oh, hold on I type out. Hard to type on a physical keyboard. This is working? I can't tell this is working or not. It's loading. I can't say the ashtra, not for people who are in our. hurry. Or for people

recording podcasts. If you're in a hurry, don't worry about it. It's cool. These guys are used to this. That should be their slogan, chill out. You should not load the picture.

You also definitely just tweeted. Oh, and no picture. No. Retweet. One of the best tweets ever. I got to do a proper tweet so much. Hold on a second.

Thanks a lot. Everybody please retweet, Josh. Old school retweet Casey deletes it. No, yeah, that's a good point.

Come on. I'm doing both. I'm not, I'm not deleted it. But trust me, guys, I'm in for the long haul. Hold on. This is good stuff. We've just created a viral moment here on the Orangecast.

Oh, no. I just got, there was an error posting your message status as a duplicate. Oh, no. What? No, you went too fast. Too many times. You went too fast. Just wait until you see the pick I'm actually going to post.

You guys aren't going to be very happy about it. I bet not. You're going to feel like, you know, intense comeuppance. There are so many people tweeting this and retweeted it. I hate everybody. It's cool. Let's make this the most retweeted tweet ever, guys. Yeah, that'll work.

Let's beat the Oscar tweet. God, if it could just be cool pick was the most popular tweet of all time. I think it's going to happen now. Wow. Where is it? We're looking at your... Everybody's like a little bit mad at you. I like it.

Cool. Oh, there it is. Oh, there it is. What's going on with my hair? I don't know. It's like weirdly flat. It's causing me to leap out of my chair. You're like, I'm out of here.

I have to leave. I'm also closed application. No. Hold on. Thanks. Oh, no. Hanks. That's not.

Tom Hanks. Also good Steve Jobs. No. You can't talk about Elon Musk before we get out of here. I just try to touch the screen. Don't do that. In New Jersey. Yeah, Elon Musk.

Let's talk about him. Sorry, guys. This is more important than the Vergecast as me doing it. Asch a tweet. It is. So basically, so Elon Musk, so Jersey was like, hey, we're going to ban direct sales to consumers of Tesla. Yeah, manufacturers can't. New Jersey.

All that, New Jersey has a law that you can't sell vehicles directly to a consumer. Yeah. They didn't change. This rule is not new for Tesla. just Tesla's been sort of skirting it and avoiding it. And they came out and they're like, we're going to enforce this now. So get out. And Elon Musk kind of went nuts in the way only billionaires.

Like Elon Musk got allowed to. Just so you know the cool bit nuts. I mean, he was basically like, you know what stupid is New Jersey. They're all the mafia. The cool pick has, basically what he said. Can you say something? Sorry, the original cool pick has 77, 78, 78 retweets. They just went up twice while I was trying to tell you that.

78 retweets, 44 favorites. I'm really glad to know that I can tell people what to do. Twitter for Nokia S-40. Come on, guys. I want it to be the most retweeted tweet ever. They can't even get S-60 on that. I want to break to us 40? At least 200.

Come on what you got. Okay. Anyhow, so Elon Musk, yeah. So Ben Popper went and talked to some people, including Jim Appleton, president of the New Jersey Coalition of Automobile Retail. Can we hear it just had something to say? Can we hear a little bit from him? He needs to stop to take a breath.

If you're an internet billionaire, I'm not going to try and do a jersey accent. Don't do a jersey accent. If you're an internet billionaire, maybe you think the world revolves around a gold chain. And the world springs from your laptop. Well, I got news for him. This is not a new law. Tesla is operating illegally. And as of April 1st, they'll be out of business unless they decide to open a franchise.

Which is like, we're going to shake you on down. No, it's insane, actually. But this whole concept is totally insane. Oh, it's crazy. A guy from a BMW dealership, they want to go direct, which means no sales, forest that's cutting out a lot of people. No way that's going to fly. Yeah, because we invented some fake rule about needing to sell cars through middlemen. Well, it was, it was, it's this old rule that was designed to, like, help car dealers catch, or car dealerships catch on in whatever. They're

like, we want to sell lots of cars. And now it's a stupid rule. I mean, it's, it's, it's just like, you know what, free market. Yeah. Let it happen. Like, they're trying to prevent, like, everybody was trying to present Amazon from doing. It's just like, selling directly to people. I'm sorry, but, and by the way, I just goes for anybody. I'm like, I'm surprised that. Why can't I buy a car from Volkswagen directly from them? Yeah. Why do I have to go through a middleman? Like, why don't I just go and get the car from a Volkswagen?

Like, the whole dealership concept seems totally bung to me. I mean, also, have you been to a car dealer? That's awful. Have you been to a showroom? That's super fun. It's not a good experience. I just went to one. And it was...

What? I'm looking. I own a car. Yeah. You're like shocked. You're like, I need more cars. I'm shell shocked. that I'm, no, I'm thinking about getting, you know, I'm a dad now and I need a bigger car,

and I want a nicer car. You're going to get like a nice Honda. My car's paid off so I can do whatever I want. I could see you rocking a minivan. I'm not going to rock a minivan. I can see you rocking a minivan. Listen, I'm not rocking a minivan. I think you're very confused about who you're talking to you right now.

Come on. You can only be... Is this autos.AOL.com? The number one best thing on AOL is their auto comparison tool. Look at that. Look at that Chrysler Town and Country. You miss the obvious thing about this picture right. You stick your head out of that.

I hate your guts. Who even knows? Who knows what happens? I hate you so much. I say hate you so much. It's not even funny. You get this in like a sleek black, like just murdered out rims. You're the worst person in the world.

This would be incredible. I might buy you this car. You're like the guy at the end of True Detective. That's how bad you are. You're like the bad guy from True Detective. Look at that engine. Your Errol. You're Aero.

Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. You don't know who Aero is if you're watching True Detective. That's who you are. Spoiler alert, by the way. Spoiler alert. This car is just hot. Like it probably has drive.

ever assist, it'll park for you. You have to do a hashtag. Well, I don't, I'm trying. You don't do true. You don't do true detective season two without a hashtag, my man. Okay, you need to step into the zone of knowledge. I mean, come on, Josh. Silver could work for it.

What about like a yellow, let me check in on these retweets. I can give you a yellow time of course. 13, 13 retweets, 56 likes. Step it up. I should delete the other one. It's probably sucking energy away from that other tweets. It's true. You don't want to.

39 on that. You don't want to split the heat. I don't get it. I don't get this at all. People love the Asha. Everybody's going crazy for it. Series 40, man, forever and ever. It's the best.

If you use that in your minivis, you'll be the coolest guys. It is just S40. What is this? Please. Please. I can't read that. Well, sometimes you don't want to put things into the zone of knowledge.

You don't want to put it. I see it very clever because you hashtagged it. Yeah. Very clever. You can't watch the Vergecast unless you're also watching our Twitter streams. Otherwise, these jokes make no sense. And you can't watch the Vergecast unless you're also high and or drunk.

Right. So, ideally and. And if you are, if you are watching Twitter, you're high. Ideally, you're candy flipping. You're drunk.

You can run a car dealership in New Jersey. What? Oh, yeah, right. Anyhow, you should read this piece of Ben did. It's great. Candy flipping in case you're wondering is taking acid and ecstasy at the same time. What is this?

What is this? Now we owe auto bite like a thousand dollars for the use of this incredible clip. Josh, I'm just saying, I'm starting to come around to the minivan. I don't know if the crissler. You get some black rims. You get like a boss stereo system.

Like you would be the man. I don't know if the Chrysler's the right word one for you. The man in a minivan is like a blog. I'm going to write. I think his person. Josh is a word of a minivan. He's not a town and countryman. I think you're like an astrovan kind of guy.

Let me tell you what I'm looking at like a as tech. B.T cruiser. Can we get a PT cruiser? It's got all the storage, all the storage room. That's just Twitter. Stoage and storage. Stoage room. It's got all the room that I need.

What about like a Sion? Honda Odyssey. We could like pimp out a Sion for you. Can we bring back Pimp My Ride for Josh Tupolski? Is that a thing we could do? No. You can get like a river in your back seat? No.

Can I answer a question? Somebody just asked me on Twitter. Somebody just asked me a question on Twitter. Do I use any music streaming services? Oh, God. Well, it's funny. You should ask that. Actually, I use all the music streaming service.

How many are you paying for right now? Spotify and RDO and also I don't pay for Google. I'm actually paying for Beats. I discovered that yesterday. I'm playing for Google, Pandora. You pay for Pandora? Beets and Spotify right now. Wait, you pay for beats?

I like did it and I haven't turned it off yet. Beets is too closed of a system. Cancel Beets is too close. There's a new Sonos app out. You know, I'm a big fan of Sonos. New Sonos app, Universal Search, which is a killer feature. So now you can plug in all of your different music sources, Pandora, Spotify, or whatever.

And you can search. Sorry, this dikeuk is very bubbly. No, the search used to be really bad. No, the search is bad. And now it's awesome and it's super exciting. And that's a big deal for me personally. But yeah, I, I, I, uh, I, I, you subscribe. Sorry, I'm just, I got to talk to just some tweets and I was very confused.

I subscribed to a bunch of services and I'm just throwing my money down the drain, just throwing it away into the garbage. Which one do you use? I use most. What's your like default? RDO, I use a lot. Ardeo is my default. Ardeo is pretty. I believe the interface.

But you'll find that if you follow me on Ardio, which I hope that you don't, if you follow me on Ardeo, your feet has been overrun with white noise. Because I've been, the baby loves white noise. And we're paying, we have like two main white noise jams. It's business class, which is the sound of business. It's really great. And then there's another one. It's like, it's like, yeah, here we go. What's the, what's the one with the, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's the purple?

one to the left. White noise therapy Volume 1? Yeah, what's my main track? What? Yeah, just let's have you heard of, um, this is amazing. Oh, you got a lot. Did you hear about this, uh, this, this album that Wolf Peck posted on Spotify? It's, it's called Sleepify. It is a full album of silence. Complete and total silence. Very cage of them. And so they want you to do like before you go to sleep, hit play and repeat on the album and then they're funding their tour with it. 131 retweets. That's kind of awesome.

Let's take it. It's 200. Super clever. Is there anything else talking about? I'm just searching white noise volume one. We get some white noise going. There's a band called white noise that makes like music. So I have an announcement to make. Oh. Oh, yeah.

Exciting. You're buying a mini-biz. Now I don't know, I'm reconsidering. Yeah, we've got the gasoline right there. Such a fun at Vergecast. You got a. So here's my, are you ready? Everybody get ready, Vergecast listeners.

Well, it's not. We don't have to get crazy about it or anything. thing. So we're going to on my computer. People are going to like freak out on me now. I can just tell. Yeah.

I mean, you just got to do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. It's just, I just don't, I don't think I should. I don't think I should do it.

I shouldn't say anything. You have to now. No, let's just keep going. You have to now. Just keep going. No, okay.

So hey, listen, we're going to put the verge cast on a, on a hiatus. We're going to postpone. Not postpone. Not postpone. We're going to halt.

What is hiatus? What are some synonyms for hiatus? Can we get some up on the view screen? Pause. We're going to pause. Let me just see what's going on on Twitter right now. We're going to take a break. We're going to take a little.

Lacuna. Lucuna. Luccaused Lacuna. We're going to take a lacuna. A recess? Recess is pretty good. We're going to take a recess. Yeah, we're going to pause in the VergeCast.

So here's thing, VergeCast has been going since the, actually like. A hundred years ago. So we started a podcast at NGadgett. They used to have a podcast. And when I became out of their in chief, Neil I was like, we should start up the podcast again because they hadn't been going on. And this is in 2008. We started doing the NGadgett podcast again.

And, you know, it was, you know, insane. It was fun. It's a lot of yelling. We did it there for years. And then we, in between Engadget and the verge we did, this is my next podcast, which was a continuing, by the way. Which was a continuation. Oh, wow. This is like old school.

Look at our old office. There's nothing on the shelves. I'm getting like teary-eyed. I know. Look how shiny I am. My God, just me dab that forehead. It's unbelievable. My hair looks incredible.

I feel like this was, I feel like this was the day of our photo shoot or something. Your beard is like really, it's neat. I look really, really good. You're very put together. I don't know what just happened there. Anyhow, so then we went from, we went from Engadget to doing the, this is my next. Oh my God. Look at Paul.

Look at Neli. His hair is crazy. They're like 14 years old. Everybody looks 14 in this, in this image. The Verges aged us all. and then we went into from that and then went to from that and then went to the Vergecast

we'd be doing this for like you know two years over two years over two years and I just think I just realized like hey you know we are we did the last couple I was with TC and Katie and we were like talking about things that weren't gadgets news weren't technology and we were like getting drunk

It was completely insane I went on a thing about you know George Bush being as bad as Hitler or something like that you know this kind of things I say when I've had a glass of wide I actually didn't say that You actually said that. I actually didn't say that. What I said was, what I said was, that's like two glasses blind.

I think what I said was Fox News is the worst thing to happen to journalism since Hitler controlled newspapers. That doesn't make a lot of sense. No, it makes perfect sense because they're a propaganda machine. And anyhow, so, like, I was just like, you know what? Like, I kind of want to rethink, like, what can we do with the Vergecast? What can we try that we haven't done? Like, are there different things that can happen on the Vergecast? Could we try new things?

We'd be doing video where it's just three people sitting around in a room. Maybe we could be doing video from locations. Maybe we could be, who knows? I don't know. So anyhow, so we're going to put the, my Twitter feed is. Is everybody? Pretty good. Seem really upset.

So we're going to put on a hiatus for a little while. And retool, rework. It's happening out there. Reconfigure. Rethink. And then ultimately reboot. into the next generation. Is anybody with me here?

I'm with you. It's going to be good. And honestly, like, part of this is driven by, like, a desire to retool and reboot. But then part of it is also, like, I have a baby right now,

and it's a brand new baby, and there's, like, work is really super-deuber busy. You have a lot of... We're, like, we're doing all kinds of insane things. And so, like, you know, it's just like,

we, I'd love a little bit of time to, like, rethink it. And anyhow, so that's the news. People are very upset. Let me give you some, It's just some lacuna guys.

It's just a hiatus. This news fucking blows is something. Oh, yeah, this was a nightmare. This was a big one of our mistakes ever. This is very dark. Very dark. A lot of angry looking people sitting there right now. Somebody said, I'm retiring, take care of kids and travel the world in a minivan.

I'm not doing that. David, thanks a lot for planting that. Josh is buying a town and country. You heard of here first. This guy just discovered. One person just discovered that it was I was the person who messed up their audio feed with my white noise. Anyhow.

So, yeah, so that's it. That's the news. It's not that, really not that big a deal. And I don't know how long the hiatus. Plus, it made me remember the word lacuna, and so it was all worth it. We're totally lacuna. Yeah. Yeah.

We're going to be on Latata. No, get out. So anyhow, so we're going to take a little break and then we're going to come back. Yeah. It's going to be amazing. It's going to be even better. Is there anything else that we need to do? No.

Is there any other news? I mean, we can't top that. Can't we? So, hey, actually, here's a great thing that you, if you guys love the Vergecast and watch the Vergecast and you are bummed because we're taking a break to rethink it, send an email. This is actually a great segue. Send an email, start a forum thread. So there actually are some good, like, interesting forum threads about Vergecast.

Like, maybe we could try this, maybe we could do that. Like, here's an opportunity. I would love to hear from people who've watched it for a long time who want to see it and are thinking about what they might like to see on it. You know, tell us. Tell us what you want to see. Tell us what you think would be cool.

Because we kind of have an amazing opportunity. We have this incredible video team. We have a wonderful staff here. And like, we're just doing like the bare minimum that we've always done basically, which is like three people sitting in the room bullshitting. Which is great.

You know, I totally get it. Which we'll keep doing. We're going to, there's going to be some variation of that. Bullshitting is not a bullshit. It's going to continue happening. There will be bullshitting.

Somebody asked how long the break is going to be. I don't really know. I don't think it's going to be, you know, super duper long. But it probably won't be super short either. Is that helpful? Thanks, Josh. It's not helpful at all. I guess I should point out, I mean, we haven't done the Virgin Mobile show in a couple weeks.

We're going to do one or do something. We'll do something next week, probably. Yeah. But we're also. You're going to hiatus. You're going to lacuna? You get your hiatus. We're lacuna.

So the Verge mobile show will also lacuna. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is, look, listen, we guys, we've been doing. this stuff for a while. I think we should, I'm, like, excited because it'll give us an opportunity to think about, like, what could we do that we haven't done yet, you know? Yeah. Besides, talk over each other. Which is hard to do when we're, when we're doing it. When it's every week, you've got to be like, okay, we got to get on there. Yeah. Talk over each other. Uh, what? I tried to talk over there, but

you didn't. I stopped. I stopped because I know. Now you're talking over me. You're being, you're much too polite. Stop it. Come on. Okay. So anyhow, that's it. That's the Vergecast. For now and forever. No. I mean, it's not forever. No. No. No. No, no, we're going to, it'll be back. Don't get Ben out of shape. You're going to make me cry. But that's the Vergecast for, yeah, Vergecast 2.0.

We're not going to call it that. No. Somebody just tweeted about it. So it's a good idea. Come up with names are a good idea. Yeah, the intro is going to include me driving up in a minivan. Yeah. With a bunch of babies.

Don't you dare get my hopes up. Bunch of a handful of baby. So that's the Vergecast for this week. If you want to get in touch with us, you can email us at vergecass of verge.com. And I highly recommend you do, especially if you have thoughts or ideas about how we can make a more awesome verge cast or things you might like to see on something that is like a verge cast. There's a forum thread already for it.

What? There already is a forum thread? Yeah. Ross Miller made a forum thread for us. So if you have ideas, drop them there. Oh my God. Crazy. You can, yeah, you can write something in the forums.

You can leave a comment on this post when it goes up. You can find us on Twitter. The verge is at Verge. I'm Joshua Topolski. Dieter is backline. I'm so sorry. David is Pierce. David.

You know, whatever. I've discovered recently that. So what he wants to play it. Is being unused on Twitter. And so I'm currently on a mistake. Matt Pierce? No, at just Pierce. Oh, at Pierce.

You should totally get it. It's like somebody had it but has never tweeted. So I'm like, I'm starting a covert campaign. You should get at AT Pierce, at at Pierce. That's the worst. Great stuff. Good stuff. Great way to end.

Great way to end this final iteration of the Verge cast. Anyhow, so we'll be back. Who knows when. But when we do come back, it's going to be really awesome or terrible. It could be also horrible. But you know what? You don't know yet. And I don't know yet.

And that's what's so exciting. The idea of the unknown creeping up on you silently with a knife or just for a hug. Anyhow, I think that is a great way to end this Vergecast. We will be back. And until then, I mean, honestly, because of the length of time, I highly suggest you buy a firearm to protect your family from what is coming for you because it's not good and it's coming soon.