The Vergecast - Infinity Gigabytes and Infinity Buckets

Episode Date: March 6, 2015

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Squarespace, build it beautiful. Hello, welcome to the Vergecast. It is the week of March 2nd. This is an intro to the show. Yeah, I'm like, I'm in it. Okay. So as you may have noticed, I'm going to dedicate every episode of the show to an iTunes reviewer.

I will say there's a lot of gold in the iTunes reviews already. But if I would, I prefer to have new gold to increase our gold stock. pile. A lot of gold in them there, hills. Yeah. So, Chris is fired. We're also, uh, any iTunes. I'm sorry, you were made, repeat, replacing Chris as at this site. That's also an opportunity for you. Uh, but that, that's the thing we're to do. But yeah, week of March 2nd. Uh, hi, I'm Neil A Patel. I'm Deidrebone. I'm Chris Sigler. Over and swipe the swipe, the swipe desk, swipe desk. That's his Tinder right now.

We're on Tinder. I would swipe right on you, Sam. Thank you, Chris. So I would try right on YouTube. Can we talk about how... Do you want to talk about libertarians? I was like swiping was like swiping a Dora joke up until Tinder. Yeah. And now like the two things are horribly mixed in my mind.

Yeah. I mean, look, I don't want to talk about Dora. I've already, I will say that on this show, already once, there's an episode where I issue what I believe to be just an incendiary Dora take down. So are we talking? What? Are we talking about Dora the Explorer? Yeah. Yeah.

Dora's cool. Diego just like cut it out. Yeah. Get out. Diego's like. Like Swiper should take Diego down. Yeah. Yeah.

Like swipe. Swipe him to death. Are you guys watching door? Like where is this coming? Do you both have like like a nephew's or like what? Dora. Let's be clear. Dora has a sweet backpack.

Oh, I'm saying. It's a really good backpack. There's a lot of stuff in it. All I'm saying is the episode of Dora in which Swiper swipes Diego to death. That's like the darkest timeline. That's also a Tinder like horror film crossover. So here's the thing. So we did a post.

T.C. just wrote a very jokey post about the new Rand Paul for president logo, which has like flames in it. Yeah. Very much look like the Tinder logo's flames like tilted over. Swipe right for Rand. Right. Swipe right for Rand. That's a great. That's awesome.

You're in the game already. You're like, you're young, you're hip. Yeah. We're probably going to have a sexual engagement. camera. Who knows? Like, I'm into you,

right? Like, I'm into freedom. But the headline, the headline was a joke. The headline was Rand Paul swipes Tinder's logo. Right.

And like, people thought, Oh, he literally stole it. I've never come across more humorless people than Rand Paul supporters who feel affronted

by the notion that the defender of truth in America would have stolen anything. And it was just like my Twitter exploded. So they were swiping left on that post. I was like, please, please don't make me explain wordplay to you.

It was bad. Anyway, this is a Vergecast. We don't normally talk about libertarianism, but I think today it's warn. Yeah, no. Actually, a ton of news this week. Yeah. And we're going to try. We have it marked down for 20 minutes on the sheet, but we'll see if we can get through 10 seconds of talking about the Galaxy S6.

Chris, go ahead. Say some stuff about the S-S. I've been challenging him to do it basically for the past. There's a bunch of stuff we can talk about. Well, so just a little anecdote here. Sam and I beef today, as we do from time to time. That is for those people that don't know. It's a show called Beaver Bus on our Snapchat account.

We are the real verge on Snapchat. Oh, my God, Sam. All right. So we beefed. Come on, dude. And the typical format for Beef or Bust is we go through three newsy topics and beef them or bust them. depending on whether we like them or dislike them. And so we got to the Galaxy S6, and I could neither beef nor bust it because the phone leaves such a large enigmatic spot in my brain.

Yeah. So it's a void. It's a void of reaction. Is it a growth? Well, so let's do some setup. I don't know whether it was swipe left or right on this phone. Yeah, you're just left there alone. So this week was a mobile world Congress in Barcelona.

That's the setup for all this. We have a bunch of people there. Tom Warren, Dan Seaford, Vlad. Sean O'Kane. Sam Biford. Ryan. Rondo. Rondo.

It's just a ton of people. Marquez Brownley was there with us. West Real, our drone expert. Our drone expert. This is a fact. Luxuriant beard on Wes. Yes. Here's the thing about being able to say things like drone expert and mean it.

Today, literally Deeter said, hey, do you want to see something? And I said, sure. And he opened the door to a phone room. And it was just Chris sitting in a room, talking. to a telepresence robot. But very seriously. But there was a real human there. It was James Vincent, our UK reporter.

Yeah, that's what we told you. No, but it was just like, it was like a cartoon. It was like, hey, check this out. You open it up and you're like, blah, blah, blah. Actually, this is twice it because I went to a tech company, which I cannot name, and we were like walking through the hall to the meeting room, and we had to stop and wait for two drones to pass. Okay.

There we go. Anyway, so MWC is in full swing. it was actually, I feel like we get we get confused every year about how many people and resources to send MWC because last year is really boring and this year is really exciting. No, no, last year was exciting two years ago. That's, I think two years ago I went

and it was like we basically had nothing to do. Yeah. But this year is really exciting. There's all kinds of stuff going on. There's like VR headsets and just crazy, around phones. We should cram some GDC news in here later, speaking of VR. Right, and there's just stuff.

Just lots of stuff. stuff going on. Yeah. But what I would tell you is the biggest news of MWC is the Galaxy S6. Yeah. Or is it the VEVE? Nah, it's the S6. Like,

it's, it's, how do you pronounce the V. It is? Is it? It's V. It's V. V. It's V. V. V. VEV.

It's V-V. Oh, my God. Anyway, so, like, there's a VR headset that HTC made. But whatever. Like, that is interesting because it's partnered with Valve. But just, you have to admit that, like, the S-6 will, like, breach more people and be in more pockets and. Yep.

be a bigger product. It's a bigger deal than the HTC 1M9. Right. For sure, yeah. So we should talk with the M92. But I do think this S6 is interesting. But here's the thing. We still haven't started talking about the S6.

We're still just talking around. Yeah. It's like the thing itself is like that it's like the sound of space. It's like bha-oh. Like it's just not there. You can't consider it. Yeah. Right?

That's just because you haven't held it yet. Maybe. Yeah, sure. So, okay. I mean, the specs are. like what you expect the specs to be, right? 5.1 inch screen, super Amel-led,

3 gigs of RAM, an X-N-O's processor, who knows what we'll get in the U.S. probably maybe this time, who knows? But what's interesting about... It was designed by Apple and California. Right. So what's interesting is the design because the bottom of it looks exactly like an iPhone. It's barely even got a Sam laugh for that sick

burn. No, I was drinking. That was funny. And it's glass on the front and the back. Cool validation. And they went out. Is the thing water resistant? I don't even No. So, yeah, they went backwards. There's no water resistance.

There's no micro SD card slot and there's no removable battery. They made a completely fully sealed, like, old school, not old school. Like, like, they made an iPhone. Yeah. What they did also was they burned the, like, the Android, the hardcore Android traditionalists who believe, who are, I think, kind of an extension of, like, the Nokia traditionalists who just want these insane, like, transformer phones that have removable batteries and all this nonsense. It does have two different modes of wireless charging, which was nerdy. No, but Chris, I see what you're saying. Like, the argument to buy a galaxy now is sort of, you know, it's leveled.

Why do you put galaxy in scare quotes just then? Because there are the normals, and I put normals in square quotes. You're just insulting everyone left your way. No, no, like, if you go to someone on the street and you're like, do you have an iPhone or an Android phone, they'd be like, oh, you mean my galaxy? And like, that has just become a thing. Okay. One, who are you talking to on the street? strangers.

No, but I totally see what you're saying, Chris. No removable battery. They took away all of those, like, cool things about Android. Like, oh, my Android phone, you can remove the battery. Well, not anymore, sucker. Sorry. But that was a Samsung thing. But everybody else is going to see.

But can we also talk about it? It's not just the bottom of the phone. It's the fact that the home button is a touch ID sensor. Yes. And instead of Apple Pay, it has Samsung pay. Yeah. Which looks exactly the same. So, come on.

And the bottom of the phone, like, the bottom of the phone is just particularly. Yeah. Like, I will say the S6 edge. So there's another version with like curve screen on both sides. That looks, I think, different. Yeah. Like it's got a vibe to it. It looks really nice in pictures.

But Vlad brought up a good point with me, which is that it's just kind of hard to hold because there are no sides to this phone. Really? Yeah. We did a video. The videos on our YouTube channel. Marquez did a little, like, play with the S&S. Sixth Edge.

And there's one feature that I think is really cool, which is when you've got it face down. So in meetings, actually, the other thing about more, this feature is probably bad for me. I like to put my phone face down on the table and meetings. So like it buzzes and I know that stuff is happening because I'm an addict. But I can't look at the screen. What if you had a Yodafone? Oh, damn. Then I would be reading novels.

But the S6 Edge, because the screen comes. curves up and off the table, it does like a pulsing, like, Night Rider Light thing to show you when it's face down to show you what the notifications are. Yeah. Which I think is awesome. Yeah. Because then you could like, there's all kinds of stuff you could do. And I think that there's like, there's little things like that, which are cool with the S6 Edge. Yeah. It's still like, you still have to believe that Samsung's software platform to support that stuff, that anyone will buy into it, that it's like not crappy. This goes back. to the momentum, right?

They had the ticker on the front. It's like that never had any support from anybody. No. And so are they going to have the same? Of course, this is a very different situation. Well, I mean, they do show like notifications.

Sure. Even if nobody supports it, which nobody will support it. It'll still have some function. Mark has made the point that it makes nice for like swiping in for pulling stuff from the side or whatever. What's funny about that too is like the iPhone is like that. Obviously not as dramatic. That's why I don't like using a case on my iPhone because it makes it harder to do the back swipes. Weird.

So they didn't announce pricing for either of these, right? No, but T-Mobile is holding a contest and I believe it was Android Central. Somebody was like, oh, let's just look at the terms of service for the contest. For the S-6 or the edge? S-6. So how do you price the edge? Well, but that's like the contest terms of service thing. Sure.

But either way, you figure the non-edge S-6 is not like a low-end phone. Right. So that leaves you very little wiggle room to price these two devices and still be reasonable. right well they're gonna there's gonna be a premium it's got to be at least 50 bucks if you're 100 on the off or the you know con contract price who knows what off contract they could they could price the off contract like it could be 200 bucks more who knows yeah they if imagine if this phone was like nine hundred dollars think about it I mean it doesn't mean it doesn't because it most people are going to buy it on right contractor on next or something crap right you know I gave up

and just signed up for next uh so do it no So did you? Yeah, we're both getting screwed. You guys have sold yourselves to the corporate world. It's so hard to buy a phone. It was literally easier to give them my soul than to give them like several hundred dollars. So I signed up for next. I couldn't figure out how to do it.

And then I was like, nope, I'm switching to Verizon. And then I called them. I'm like, oh, you sign up for next. You're not under contract anymore because next is magical. I'm like, okay, well, I just got to pay off the rest of the phone. Did they actually say that? Because next is magical. But in like a drone robot voice.

I sent them like the bill for the remainder of my phone was worth and they lost the payment. I was like shruggy, whatever. And so they're continuing to bill me for the rest of the phone, even though I don't have a thing. Why not? And I want to go to the website and tell them just let me pay the rest and you can leave me alone forever. Yeah. And because I transferred my phone number, I literally don't have an account with them. I have to call them and like beg to pay them.

Otherwise, they're just going to keep billing me apparently. I'm telling you, this is an insane AT&T Netherworld. AT&T has gotten to the point where they would rather make it so hard for you to pay them a full amount of money because they would prefer a tiny amount of money forever. Yeah. Like they've nailed it. They're like, you know what? Like, there's a lot of people out there want to pay a $700 for an unlocked phone. But we're going to demand that you give us $25 a month for the rest of your life.

That's it. That's all you can do. That's the only interaction you can have. Chris, have you fallen for this corporate bull crap? No, I'm on. I'm, why do you think, why is it?

I mean, it's like, what do you mean like corporate? It's just like, dude, I'm, I'm, like suit guys,

get AT&T next. Yeah, I'm, I'm on the good old fashion. Unlimited. No, no, man.

I'm on a, I'm on a, I'm on a two-year contract. Yeah. Like America intended. Like the founding fathers. Right. In the constitution.

Like God intended. It's the, yeah, right? It's the, the, the forgotten zero with amendment. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Look, unlimited data for life. You buy your phone off contract and you're good. How do you have unlimited data for life? Because you're your grandfather. Look, I have, do you want to know how many gigabytes are in my, my bucket right now? I have, I have, excuse me, have to tweet.

I have 27 gigabytes that I have to use this month. Yeah, and guess how many I never have to worry about all of them. In terms of like, sick owns. Not on the list. Guess how many gigabytes I have in my bucket said Chris Nigler once. No, I know I know that your response to that is

I have infinity gigabytes and infinity buckets. But here's the thing. But here's the thing. I use lossless streaming. Yeah, because you're the only hype lord in the world that uses title. I download apps.

Okay? At my leisure. Look. And I watch movies. I could take advantage of Mirkat and Snapchat Discover without blinking. Here's what I know about talking to Sam today. Here's what I, here's what has become abundantly clear. Sam is going to hype that got a mere cat all day long.

Do you want to just hear it real quick? Let's do two things. Right. Hype check the S6. See? I'm impressed. See? I'm nothing to say. I'm impressed. I'm impressed. I'm impressed. It looks like nice hardware. I'll be it. It has the same bottom as the iPhone, but like they finally didn't make a plastic piece.

of crap. Yeah, but stop putting glass in the back of phones. Stop it. Don't do it anymore. Stop. Wait,

why not? Why not? Wait, wait, no, no. Let go. Don't do it. Dieter's having an emotion

about the essence. It's taking us a week. We finally got one. Hold on to it like the precious flower it is. Keep going. Glass shatters. It cracks. I don't care how good and strong and light and thin it is.

It cracks. You will, why I have two surfaces to do it? Like, it was fine on the iPhone for a while, but I got tired of it. And when they switched to the loom, they're like, oh, that's so much better.

Thank you. Thank you, Apple. Yeah. And then, like, what other, what phones with glassbacks are good right now? What other phone has a glassback? Name the other Android phone with the glass. Me note.

Z3. Recked. Meenot is glass? I think so. I think so. Does the X3 a glass bag? That definitely is, yeah. Yeah, that you actually want.

Oh. I still want it. The Z3 is actually a really nice thing. Yeah, whatever. Sorry, man. I know. Teeter, that was a good emotion. Just go ahead and make it metal.

Yeah. Or like ceramic or, if you drop the phone, you're going to shatter one side. So what does it matter if you shatter one or two sides? Because you, one, you're cracking the LCD. The other, you're just cracking a glass panel, which presumably is easy to replace. Yeah. But that's making my point. Oh.

Because the back matters less. I mean, this is literally, I just want to say, we are. now getting fired up. This is as much as fired up as we've gotten about the iPhone 4. That's it. That's where I've landed. The most emotions we can have about the S6 are an argument we had four years ago. Software is apparently less offensive.

Yeah, they turned out, they took out 40% of the features and that's like a bullet point. Yeah. I mean, great. Does it still tinkle at you when you touch it? I know, it's just rough. It's like Samsung is so big. They're so massive. They're so, oh, my God.

Oh, my. God. No. Yeah. That's what it does. That's the S5 sound. He was doing it out of your mouth? He did it manually.

But while like, Mm-hmm. I thought there was John, so I was really confused. That's the keyboard sound. Yeah. When you're typing, it's like raining, it's like raindrops. It's not like rain.

You're making it rain every time you send a message. It's no raindrop plops. It's definitely something else. Okay. There are solids falling in. into a pool of water. Welcome to the poop cast. What?

No, I'd say it's just Samsung's so big, and then there's the other phone, right? There's the HTC phone. Yeah, and the HTC, like, V.V. Well, there's a Samsung GearVr. There's a Samsung Gear VR, the new version of that that actually works with the real phone and whatever, but we're going to wait until next year, apparently,

according to John Carmack for the awesome one. That's actually for consumers. No, didn't he say end of 2015? Yeah, right, sorry. When the, alongside the note. Five? Four. Five.

It'll be five. Although he didn't say it, but he basically said it. Yeah. That'll be EFA next year, I'm sure. Yeah. This year. This year. Oh, yeah, sure.

This combined, and we saw the VEVEV, both here and we saw a bunch of stuff at GDC. It seems good and interesting, but can I just say that I am really tired of... Tell the people what it is. Oh. The HECC Vive is a virtual reality headset. They made it in conjunction with. steam, which is very exciting and interesting. It looks bonkers because it has

like a grid of lasers on the front of it that... That blind everyone around you. Yeah, no, it'll position you in a room. So instead of, like, there's been like radio-controlled handsets that they can position in space, but this thing just uses lasers. Yeah.

And there's a base station. So it makes the head tracking less nauseous, according to Gabe Newell, because it's better able to detect small movements and movements like in space, like, laterally. So it'll be less. knowledge inducing and it lets you like interact with the room or be in a room and a cool side

benefit of it is that it um warns you if you're going to hit something physically in the room right right yeah and then the controllers for it have little hats that have the same lasers on them yeah and it's interesting Gabe newell said that zero percent of people get nauseous yeah and that was like when we tried out the oculus at c s a bunch of us like when we took it off we were like oh my god like kind of feel sick. And Addie and Chris have both been pointing out that the controllers are a bigger story. Yes. Yeah. They're really, they do grip and a couple of things and they're very, very, very accurate. Right. So this is like very exciting news for me. But like, and because Val's involved, presumably there will be content. Right. And, you know, like there's a distribution mechanism for VR behind it because of Steam.

Right. It'll be as successful as the steam machines have been. Well, so this is what I'm saying. No, this is like, Valve doing VR is the perfect thing to do VR because for three years now, VR has been, oh, it's great for developers and it's just around the corner and a real consumer release. Would somebody, other than Samsung with a thing that you strap a phone into, please do an actual VR release, not like, we're just trying it out to do some stuff release. Like, I know it's okay. I want to say it's okay to take your time. Like, that's like been the message. It's cool. Take your time, especially with Oculus because nobody's doing doing it right.

But Sony's Project Morpheus, they tried it out at GDC. It's not coming until like a year from now. Sean Hollister, who knows what he said. Morpheus is great. Yeah, I'm sure it is. But he hasn't tried five, I don't think. Oh, okay. Hololens also is going to work with the Xbox.

But again, later, I just, I really am waiting. At this point, somebody needs to be the first one to say, We are having a consumer release. This is for you. regular people, not just developers, not just experiments. It's a way. It's a ways off.

Who is it, though? Who is it going to be? The Oculus is not good enough. It's great, but like the resolution's grainy and it does like screw with your head. It doesn't have a controller strategy, right? There's some, like, there's many missing pieces for. Oculus is built off of the fact that like Palmer Lucky figured out the screen thing. Yep.

Right? Like, that's the core of it. And all the rest of it is like the company is building around it. Facebook's money is going to pay for it. The VIV. according to Addie, it's pronounced Vive like Hive. The Vive. It seems like a more complete sort of riff on it,

but they have to figure out how many content for it. I'm sure they can. Well, I'm sure they could, right? They're a game company. That's what it's going to be for. But what is interesting there is like VR needs to have applications beyond like FPS shooters and like needs to like be narrative fiction and all this other stuff. So like I think the first wave of it is going to be.

these like weird targeted custom campaigns that we see like you're like it's a movie promo and you're gonna like put it on and be in the action sequence for five seconds or whatever or like which is where cardboard is compelling because they can just ship these things out you know right right um so i think there's just like it's not i don't think the consumer release is anywhere near reality because i think you have to build excitement for it like you have to you have to give it to people in ways it like build hype. My concern is that they're building excitement, they're doing a fine job of it, but how long until

people start being like, oh, well, this is never happening. Like, I'm done having my excitement built. Yeah, I mean, it's like they have a certain amount of, a fixed amount of hype cash. And they can spend that hype cash. How many gigabytes are in your hype bucket? Oh, I thought you meant hype cash like C-C-C-H-E.

I mean, Sam... You mean hype cash like Sam wants to kill themselves. Right. Suicidal swagesty over there. And at some point, At some point, Oculus and HTC and Steam are going to run out of hype cash. Yeah, and they're going to go into hype debt. What does it even mean to go into hype debt? We need to work that out.

But, you know, so by the time they're actually ready. But how many, okay, but I would tell you that many products that we use have been in hype debt in the past and successfully recovered. Like smartphones. Wow. Smart phones, straight up, we're in hype debt for like three years. I would say between 2004 and 2007 smartphones were in the hype red. Dieter was definitely in the hype zone during those years. Yeah, but like...

Deter created that hype. Yeah. No, Deter single-handedly, it was like trying to drag them out of the hype pit. Dieter was like, check out my Nokia communicator. Like that was what smartphones were. Yes. Like, remember the Nokia store in Chicago? Yeah.

And you'd go there and you'd like buy an E-75 for like $800. Yeah. In 18 TV, like, what the hell is this? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I bought every new phone from that store. Believe me. And it was just like, I'd be like, check out my new phone. And everyone would be like, I don't, that's dumb.

Yeah. That's hype debt. Right. Check out this new product that's available that I know is the future. And people are like, that's dumb. And then you wait for all of the normals to ride the hype wave. And then you come back into the lack of hype, you know. Here's what I know just happened.

And I want to be very clear about what happened. We just mixed a surfing metaphor with a banking metaphor. I don't think that works for us. I don't think in any reality, any bank officials, like, well, you surfed your way right out of debt. You just ride the highway. It really really hung on that foreclosure. You're good to go.

I would not be good at running a bank. Or surfing, necessarily. No, we should talk about the M9 as well. So there is a headset. The headset is the GDC. There's less to say about the M9. than there was about the S6. The ACCM9 is like,

yo, we stopped putting a stupid gimmick camera on the back. And we put in a different stupid camera. They put in a camera with 20 megapixels. That's it. And they put the gimmick camera on the front. They put the gimmick camera on the front. And they kept the design the same,

which is fine. But here's where I was saying. I'm not mad about it. Everyone was real mad that they were keeping the design the same. I don't care. It's fine. It's good. I think it's uglier.

There's just no way these phones are not. Like, this is the year of ugly phones. Like, we just all have to look ourselves square and. the eye. I don't think that's six and six plus or anything. The iPhone six is ugly. Yeah. That camera bulge is ugly.

The back of it looks like a bad application of racing stripes. Like that's what it looks like, right? Like the worst possible Mustang. Yeah. The iPhone 6 is the worst possible Mustang. It's like his veneer smartphone to wow us all. Yeah, the motor X is a good looking phone. This is 2014 though.

Yeah, that's last year's mother. So is the iPhone 6. True. Well, yeah, but this generation. Yeah. Is that a new generation? X. Okay, so that one looks fine. Right. But that's because you picked it. Right.

So, whatever. So that one's fine. But, like, Johnny Ive would be real mad that you picked that kind. Yeah, yeah. It's nice. But, like, the iPhone 6 is, like, pretty ugly. I think it looks better in a case. The S6, it looks like an iPhone 6. Like, guilt by, like, guilt by association. Oh, that's true. Plus, it has the camera bulge. Like, whatever. The M9 is like... Okay.

It's okay. It has the camera bulge. Uh, it looks like it's wearing a backpack. Like, it looks like the... Like Dora. Yeah, so... Bullshit by default. Uh, no, and then they took the gold and they made it two tone. So the gold one in particular is like gross.

Yeah. Just straight up just looks nasty. Yeah. But here's what I will say. The number one, they moved the ultra pixel from the back of the M8 to the front of the M9. And like, it's like, dude, that... Who cares about the... Who cares?

No one cares. The front of the camera is an ultra pixel camera. Who cares? No one cares. but I will say this. Selfie ofishelados. It makes it so obvious that that big fake camera lens in the back of the M8 was just a lie.

Because the back of the M8 has like a huge fake camera lens and then like a little camera in the middle of it. Oh, that was the one with the two cameras on the back, right? It was like, which some HGC phone had two cameras, one on top of the other for like depth fencing. M8. Yeah. Yeah.

Whatever happened with that? It was, I mean, it was a gimmick. I mean, HGC and the cameras is like, we did another video with Marquez. It should go up. I think you're just behind the scene. I think it's fine. It's just the year of the ugly.

Like, we all just have to, like, ride it out. Like, the 70s are like here again in phone design. You know what I mean? Wow. It's like, oh, bell bottoms are back and these phones are ugly. And these phones are massive. Yeah. There's a whole two-year sequence of phone companies copying Lytra.

And now Lyrae is like basically teetering on the version not existing. And now nobody cares about depth sensing anymore. No one ever did. I will say depth sensing immediately. went into hype debt. Yeah. Everyone was like, why would I do that?

They need a round of hype funding. Or just funding. All right. You know, you know, tomorrow a group of 18-year-olds is going to pitch Y Combinator

out of the whatever, hype, whatever. The hype bank. The hype bank. Yeah. I mean, was there anything else to say about the M-9?

I mean, like, so when does it come out? And how much is it? Here's a story I was saying like, wow. It's rough. We did, we, in this, I think we'll go up tomorrow. We did like a Marquez behind the scenes.

Like, what's it like to be in KVHT to show? And he's like, I like to look at Twitter and see what people want to know about the phones before I shoot my videos. And there's just this scene where it's just people asking him endlessly how the camera is. Just nonstop. How's the camera? How's the camera? It's like super funny. Because that's all that really matters.

Like the holy grail is a nice Android phone with a good camera. Yeah. Right. That's what we all want. Yeah. And like if the S6 had a great camera, maybe I would get that and then immediately try to flash stock Android on there. If the M9 had a great camera, that would be like, we would all make that decision. But here's the problem.

So we found this out the hard way in the past. Stock Android is part of the problem with these cameras because there's so much software involved in making a good photo that you have to leave the crap software on there to get the good pictures. Yeah, but you don't like, that's a pretty disqual. ingenuous argument, right? Because between Google and oh, actually there's something else we need to talk about for MWC like Google's wireless network thing.

And the tiny round phone. The runcible man. Oh my God. And the million garbage smartwatches that came out. Yeah. Anyway, but what I'm saying is like, Holly's nice is good. Like I get it. So you need some image processing on there. You need some firmware stuff. But you could

also just leave out the other crap. Of course. But they just won't. They don't. Yeah. Right. So there's presumably on the Google Play Edition. Yeah, where is the Google Play Edition of the Essex? Right, so the play editions and Nexus, like, it's very confusing. Like, nobody knows what the hell is happening with? Yeah, where's the Nexus program right now? Nexus 6.

Nexus 6. And the Nexus 9. But the Nexus 6 just doesn't count. Like, the Nexus 6 is like literally, it's like a, it's like a warning shot. Yeah. To smartphone manufacturers. Like, this is too big. Yeah.

Like, that's all that is. It's the same size as a 6 plus. Yeah. No, it's way thicker. It's thicker. It's still thicker, yeah. Yeah, but it's, I mean, it's just way thicker. I will say the phone that's too big. After using a 6 plus for a while, going back to this, this MotoX, like, this feels tiny.

It feels just itty-bitty. I would rather go back to Nexus 6 in this. You know what's hilariously small now is the 5 and 5S? Yeah. And you know what's even smaller than that is a 4 and 4S. Oh, yeah. It is pathetic. No, people with iPhone 4s, you can just walk right up to them and stare at the face.

I'm like, you're dumb. Your phone's dumb. And they don't even, they're like, yeah, I know. They're like, no, they're not even mad. They're like, yep, this is a tiny little garbage store. Guys, I'm switching back to the veer. There it is. The paw mention.

I've got it. I've got it in my desk store, man. I was somewhere in the city the other day, and I saw someone using an iPhone 4 or 4S, I couldn't tell. But it was so thoroughly destructed that it looked like it was unintentionally steampunk. Like, the entire top of the, like, basically the entire display was missing. Like, the glass was gone. to display. You could see little tiny portions of the screen,

and they were still trying to use it. Which, I mean, it's common for people to use phones with shattered screens, but this was extreme. Okay, so we got to talk about Sundar talking. He basically, he confirmed, well, he confirmed a few things recently. I mean, one, he confirmed that photos and hangouts are getting pulled away from Google. So streams are going to be on their own, which is great because Google Photos is an amazing product that is just weighted down by the garbage of Google.

Google Plus. Yeah. But the bigger thing is he basically confirmed that Google is planning on launching MV&O. The rumor has been that it's going to be with both Sprint and T-Mobile in some weird way, but that his real goal is to try and like integrate Wi-Fi better and like abstract all of that, you know, carrier stuff and have it all work more seamlessly on the phone, I guess. And he wants it to be kind of a Nexus carrier. Like it would be a proving ground for wireless technologies more than a mainstream product, right?

Like he seems to be very careful. Like he's kind of He said we don't intend to be a carrier at scale. Yeah, yeah, treading very lightly. He's like, we're trying to show innovations like calls automatically reconnecting when someone drops on one end. By the way, by the way, you know who already does that? Republic Wireless.

Right. How does that work? So when you make a call with someone on Republic, you don't actually connect directly to them. You connect to a server that then calls the other person. so if you drop, the other person is still connected to the server. So then your phone can automatically reconnect to the server and the call is maintained. Whoa.

Yeah. And they do really, they also do... And Edward Snowden's handoffs, right? Yeah. And they're Sprint only, but yeah. Right. And they offer the MotoX. Yep.

I mean, that definitely sounds like Edward Snowden's worst nightmare. Like all of your calls routed through a central server that the NSA is clearly monitoring. Well, I mean, that's Google Voice too, right? I mean, the people who started Republic came from Grand Central. Oh, really? Yeah, so it's all, you know. I mean, so I, so MVNOs, right? Mobile virtual network.

I always say MNVOs, I don't know, I know, but MVNOs, which is basically just you wholesale spectrum or service in many cases from somebody else and resell it on your internet name have like failed a lot. Yeah, there was, there was a moment like in the mid-aughts where they were huge and then they all died. Like ESPN had one. Like literally, like everybody was like, let's be mobile. Disney Mobile. It was just like, you know what people like mobile phones? You know what they love? Sprint's excellent network quality.

You know what they want? My branding. It was like, no, they don't. Amped? You remember Amped Mobile? They all failed, but there's still a handful that are huge. And they're all generally owned by Sprint, right? Well, there's Track Phone, which is owned by America Mobile, I believe.

Right. So Track Phone is also owned, but they're still a wholesaler. But all the rest of it, boost. Virgin Mobile. Virgin. They all kind of run on Sprint as far as I can tell. Yeah. I mean, well, so there's Simple Wireless and what's the other one?

Simple is on T-Mobile, I want to say. Right. Well, the only reason I make this point is like Google coming in there and being like, we want to make our own network and use our own technology. That to me is like a really weird. I don't think that has ever happened before where the tech company, the device company, comes in and says we want to be the telecom company. and they want to like replace the carrier stuff. There were many rumors that Apple wanted to do something in that vein. And decided it was just too much of a hassle.

Right. Yeah. This was back in 2007. Yeah. And so obviously technology has changed since then. And Google doesn't want to do this at scale. So they claim. What does that even mean?

Like I feel like this and the next program, like this has always been my pet theory. I know it's not true. but it's that they don't actually care about selling it to consumers. They just get real mad about having to use the stuff. And so they're like, we're just going to use the stuff that we make. And so they're only making this NV&O so that they have something for like Google employees to use. Yeah, just like as a perk. And then, oh, yeah, we'll sell to consumers too because we made it.

Well, that's like, I agree with that only in a sense that. I mean, it's not, I don't actually believe that. Well, I mean, I would love to know. Like, I would think what Google should do is they should put up a status page that tells you what phones Sundar is using. Right. And like, because he's always going to pick the best one. What phone is he using? I'm sure he's using it. No, that's not true. He loves the Android one. He loves using the low-end stuff all the time. Really?

Yeah. But a lot of employees. What? A lot of Google employees, and I know this from just from personal experience in encountering them, a lot of them are still using a Nexus fives. I see fives everywhere. I see fives and I see M8's, M8 Google Play editions. What is Matias using? I don't know. It's six. Yeah,

next to six maybe. Or the next one. See, that's what we need. We need an employee status check. Yeah. Like, what is the Android team using

right now? Yeah. Well, I mean, they might think that's a privacy violation. Sure. Sure they do. Oh,

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where everyone has the long hair have you watched anything yet no god damn have you seen the breakfast club yes okay I'm proud of myself for that one because it got remastered I want to have a verge movie night

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Wow. I literally have never even heard of this Star Trek film. All right. We're going to stop. Let's just go. The cars. Chris, I ask you a question.

Sweet Lambos. And I'd like to put this to the audience. And just tweet at me with your vote. Would you prefer to talk about cars or would you prefer to listen to Dieter killing, Sam? Which is one or the other thing is going to happen here. No, Chris, the Geneva Auto Show is going on as well. Yes. Vlad is there.

Yes. Well, he's gone out. Yes. He's gone. We covered a little bit. What's going on? Let's go on to show. So this was a supercar marathon. Like every conceivable, extremely exotic, unaffordable, unattainable vehicle debuted at this show.

And I think Vlad was a little, that's what I'm looking for, Starstruck. Like, you know, he was just, he was wandering up to like, you know, Ferrari 488s and just getting in. He's like, oh. He's like, he's like, when I shut the door, the sound it made was very. very exotic. So, yeah, he had a good time. But so let's just talk about a few of the really important things that happened.

So the last Veyron was unveiled at the show. This was the Bugatti supercar. One of the most important supercars of the last 25 years, a 16th cylinder engine, over 1,000 horsepower holds the, well, technically it doesn't at this point. I think, but it for a very long time held the speed record for a production vehicle. And the 450th car, which is the last one they made, is sort of a play on the color scheme of the first one.

So they had serial number one in 450 nose to nose on display, which was a really cool display. So Vlad got some great pictures of that. He went... Carrying up a little bit. It was an emotional display. I'm not going to lie. Like the most important, in my opinion, the most important hypercar to debut. No, no, not high car.

Both of us just lost it. Hypercar is a thing. You look it up. It's a real term. But he also saw the Lamborghini LP 750 dash 4 Super Velocche. Yeah, that thing's beautiful. Which is beautiful. I would say the Lambos are better than Ferraris.

RACs. Oh, snap. That's like some Apple versus Google. ish right there. He saw the Ferrari 488, which we talked about, which is the, it's basically a turbocharged version of the 458.

He saw the Koenigieg Rigera, which Ruggera, I'm not sure how it's pronounced, unfortunately. That thing is nuts. It is, yeah, it is like beyond, it is next level bonkers. It has three electric motors

and a twin turbo V8 that combined put out around 1,500 horsepower, it's stupid. Like it's just straight up stupid. And they're going to make 80 of them. It'll do something in the range of 250 miles an hour. It'll go...

In 20 seconds. Yeah, it'll go zero to 400 kilometers an hour in under 20 seconds, they're saying. So it's just... I mean, the numbers are mind-boggling. And the Quant F, which uses a basically a science fiction fuel that... May or may not exist. And then the family also... Wait, right, right, go ahead.

Explain this one to me. It's some ionic... So, if you read their literature, they refer to it as an ionic fluid that is similar to water. Come on. Is it gatorade? No.

Yeah, does it have electrolytes? Wait, wait, wait, what is ionic? What? Art? Okay, never mind. No, there is actually some science behind it. So it uses what's called a flow batterer. which is a largely theoretical technology that has never really been applied as far as I know in EVs before.

So it's a company called NanoFlow Cell that has been working on this car for a few years. The car exists, but the drive train, as far as I know, it doesn't really. Which is a series of question marks and then wheels. Right. And the infrastructure for it certainly doesn't exist, but they're saying that existing gas stations could be easily retrofitted to support this mysterious ionic fluid. Come on. It's just like water bottles. Non-deionized water.

So Vlad checked out that car, which goes zero to 16 in 2.8 seconds, which is supercar level. There's zero to 60 in 2.8 theoretical seconds, I could say. And, oh, and in my opinion, the most beautiful car of the show, the Bentley EXP 10 speed six, which is just,

I mean, it's, it's gorgeous. Like, you just need to check out. our photo essay flight did a great job he shot videos for all these cars check them out yeah i mean the thing i think it's interesting about the auto show is like was last week two weeks ago we were talking about apple and google and all the cars are going to make and it's just you know i get it they're going to disrupt the industry but it takes a long time to like deliver a car at an auto show that can do to people what these cars can do right yeah well and and furthermore i would argue that google and apple

probably aren't trying to do, they're not trying to get the emotional rise out of people that someone like Bentley is. I don't know, man. Apple car is solid gold. I just say solid gold. I have a counter to your, to hear what you said, Eli.

What would happen? Just let's just shoot, you know, if Google brought itself driving car of the Geneva Motor Show. People would not care. No, they would look at it. Yeah. It would be interesting.

Yeah. Right. But it also looks like like a taxi. It looks like a taxi. Yeah. I'm saying like that's great and I you know like Lexus brought its big self-driving cocoon to CES right no Mercedes it was Mercedes oh the and everyone was like Mercedes Mercedes super futuristic looking right and that was great and that's cool and like that's interesting

I'm saying like there's here I'll just give people the stat right this is a wild stat we noticed today videos of cars when we put like here's an article like look at this Lambo and then like you read it and there's a photo essay. Those videos, the click-through rate is like 10x of like a phone. Yeah, because cars are sexy. Right. But like that's crazy to me. Like so if like literally the Samsung Galaxy S6 and like check out this Ferrari are on our page right now.

And people open those articles and they are 10 times more likely to watch a video of a car than a video of a phone. And that is crazy to me because the cars have they literally emotionally like, change you. They're like, yeah, I, like, I want that or that looks fast. And I, I just don't think, like, the tech companies, uh, what you're saying is that know how to do that. And I don't think the tech companies even want to do that. Right. No, they don't. Right. They're trying to, like, totally commodify transportation. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. And that's, like, really good and helpful. Right. But I just think there is probably, you know, it's weird because I bet all the tech companies, the tech companies, CEOs are the only people can afford these cars. Yeah. That's true.

So I think they get it, but they also like, I don't think they are even trying. They're going to try to compete with what these cars can do. Well, the cars, the cars are such large canvases for a talented designer to do something amazing. A phone, you know, a smartphone, a modern smartphone, fundamentally is a glass rectangle. Unless you're making the sweet runcible. The runcible, thank you, yes. Tears buying that round phone. So I can make Neely's point.

Imagine a world. Close your eyes. Nilai. I'm not closed your eyes. I'm closing my eyes. Okay. Sam's got his eyes closed. This is for Neely.

Fine. I'm gonna be Neal for a second. Imagine a world where the iPhone didn't exist and you had to use Android. I would throw up. How would you throw? I'd be great. Yeah.

Okay. Now, cool world. Now, close your eyes. It's a great world. And instead of imagining a world where the iPhone never existed, I want you to imagine a world that you live in where the Ford Mustang

Mustang never existed. That's the point. But then you'd just like Cameros instead. No. Death, death for everyone. No, I don't know. I just think you really sad. That would be sad for me.

I think it would be super interesting and weird if we got to a point where the only two types of cars were like Toyota Corolla self-driving cars or like these hypercars on the road. No, that would be awesome. It's like one out of every hundred. Dude, that is the future I want to live in. It's like everyone just like trot-cars. And then all of a sudden there's just like this loud ass for Earl. Yeah, I guess well. No, a sweet-ass Lambo.

Fine, fine. But will it be a gasoline engine or everything's electric? You'll run on ion fuel. Liquid ion. That's the world I want to live in, right? Like most of the time it's like very boring, very like I just need to get to work. Yeah. And that's like basically the world I live in now, right?

I push the button and the Uber shows up. I'm like, awesome, a Toyota Highlander. This is going to be a great motoring experience. And then all of a sudden there's not going to be inhuman. and you'll be able to like sip your whiskey while you're on the go and you know wait you're saying the person prevents me from drinking on the go is he the police what kind of ubers are you in look all I'm saying is that the ubers of the future are

going to be hella leisure like you'll be able to just like grab your girl and be like yo let I don't know why this is so funny This is a future that is actually tangible and we will get there, right? It's like you just you just you just did some pregame at your apartment, right? And you're like, Sam, it's not the picture you're painting that's the problem. It's the title you wrote underneath it. Uber's for the future will be hello leisure.

So first of all, that implies that ubers of the present are not hella leisure. They have like water bottles and gum and like stickers. Wait, why? Stickers. I'm going to die. I'm going to perish. All right. We got to spend five minutes previewing next week.

So, yeah. Hello, Alicia. Come on. Yeah, getting a little. All right. Not agree with you, by the way. Yeah. It'll be great.

I'll drink whiskey with you. You'll be great. You mean, just donked in an Uber in a robot town. Sam, Sam, pipe check leisure. It's a concept. Is it your Twitter bio? You're a man of leisure? Well, that was my old one.

Now I'm a man, a spectacle. I'm changing the words every so on. Hell of spectacle. Huber's in the future. Hell of spectacle. They're having fireworks shooting. March of man's playing. It's going to be great.

Drive effects like neon lights under the cars. I find myself watching documentaries about like super tricked out Japanese supercars all the time. Yeah. And they, the people in them are like, they're crazy. Because they're basically like, Yakuza guys who are like, I've wanted this life since I was a baby. Yeah. I saw this Lamborghini with ground effects. Yep.

And I knew I'd be a criminal. And it's like, no one ever probes the like A to B connection there. Yeah. Because it's so obvious. Yeah. You don't need to probe it. It's just there. You're describing Tokyo Drift, by the way.

Yeah, well, yeah. Some of my favorite gifts of all time are of Japanese supercars with ground effects. Ooh. Well, that sounds- I'll share some with you. Yeah, please. So we're recording this podcast on a Thursday. Yep.

Hopefully you're listening to it before Monday because Monday is Apple's, quote, spring forward, unquote, event. We're expecting a bunch of stuff with the Apple Watch. Like, they're going to have to trot out a bunch of developers and, like, show a bunch of apps. and show more of how the thing works. And we talked about, because we got the invite last week before the show, right?

Was it last week? During the FCC announcement. During the FCC announcement. By the way, Apple, what are you doing? Going after the FCC? We are yes. No, fine. No, so we've talked about this a little bit,

but Dieter and are going. Casey's coming with us to live vlog. Yes. We'll obviously be there with the video. By the way, Casey Newton live blogs, if you aren't familiar with them, are really good. Yeah, it's going to be fun.

I mean, just, it's funny because I have to, like, behave myself. so Casey can do is saying, but I'll see what I can do. But anyway, so what Deeter's saying, I think is correct. Like, this is the moment for Apple to trot out as many developers as they can to show you, like, what the watch can do, why you don't want to buy it. I will say that just sort of in conversations, because now it's like happenings. I've been talking like, hey, I'm going to the California people who watch? And the number one thing people say is like, how much does it cost?

What does it do? Yep. And I'm like, it's like 349 for the sport, the basic one. And basically that is met with like universal. derision. Yeah. No one knows how much this thing costs.

No, but we know the basic one. The base, right? But like, if I'm like, I want to stay in the steel, 42, whatever it is. Right, but I will say that

349 for the sport is like great considering the fucking like pebble time steel is $2.99. No, it's $250, isn't it? Huh? I think the baby, the regular pebble time.

No, the regular pebble time is like $150. Right. $199. Then you can get it in Kickstarter for 170 if you were in early. Wait. Am I crazy on the pebble time?

Steel, I think. Yeah, I think it's a little time steel. I mean, it's still like just too much money. So what's going to have to happen is they're going to have to sell last year's model at like $100 bucks off, right? Because otherwise, are they going to do the same model of what? The same way that you can get last, you used to be able to get last year's iPhone for cheaper. I wonder if they're going to do that with the watch. Will they release a watch once a year, though?

Is that going to be on the once a year cycle? That's a great question. I don't know. The other thing that Apple has to do, we're not going to know about the year cycle thing. Right. But what Apple does have to do is they've got three models and like 80 bands, and they need to give a coherent, like, story of the tiers and the pricing for those tears. Yeah.

Like, they have to tell that story in such a way where, like, it's not confusing. Do you get the watch by itself, and then you have to spend more money on bands? See, this is what Apple needs to show. Okay. So I think they're going to spend a lot of time on, like, why to buy it, which is, like, the app story. and then seriously just how to buy it. Yeah, I bet you that there's going to be a bunch of time of like this, they're like, if they wanted to, they could like bring out Angela Rents on like a fake store.

In a fake store. Right. And be like this is what it's going to look like. They could do a skit. Yeah. I would love to see a skit. I think that would be great. I'd love to see an Apple skit.

What if they did some improv? It's like Tim Cook locking in the store being like, hmm. Like picking him a MacBook. It's like Samsung and Apple have just switched. Yeah. Because the Six event was. like understated, right? Yeah, right. And now Apple

just goes full, like, flare. We're crazy. And like, Tim Cook is like, and underneath the store, a full orchestra! Dancing children from the sky! The Zol. Yeah, that would be the greatest. Oh, my God.

What if Apple brought by Zol? It was so 2011. I mean, Zol's name is literally 2011. They're, they can't. It'd be Zalls. His name would be Zalls. Wow.

Wow. Sounds like Mr. huge opportunity to have lots of Zoles. Zolz, like, 10 of them on the stage. Damn it. Oh, God, that kid was so terrible. Anyway, so there's that. And then it's weird because we've been talking about it sort of all day.

I believe that we'll probably also see this MacBook. Like, we've been hearing about it. We've seen, there's renders floating around. There's 9 to 5 had a refreshed 13-inch MacBook today. Like, I think they're going to do some Mac stuff at this event. Yeah, I think so, too. Which is interesting because we think they're not going to do. do iPad stuff. Sorry, continue. Well, that's the thing. Like, it's weird. It's weird that the iPad is like,

that, that has been, just in general, like, Apple just doesn't talk about it a lot. Yeah. They just kind of, it's, the Mac business is growing. There's a lot of opportunity there. This watch is a big deal. Obviously, the phone last year was a big deal. We're in the midst of that cycle. And phones are getting bigger. Phones are getting bigger. And this, just to me, the iPad is just like the forgotten, literally the, the, you know, the, The most I used an iPad in the past three days was our telepresence robot. Like, I laughed at Chris talking to it today. And that was like the most I've interacted with the iPad.

He was talking to the robot. No, the thing about the robot is everyone just calls it the robot. It's like it doesn't matter who inhabits the robot. The robot has its own personality. And it's a little drunk. It falls over sometimes. It's like just tipping around. This new one is way faster than the old one.

But it's still very unstable. I had to catch James a couple times. I mean, I will say our telepresence row, it's a review unit. We're reviewing it. It's a double robotics. And it is basically an iPad on a segue. Yeah. Yes.

Which is a door. Like, it's just an adorable thing. Like, it's kind of, it definitely feels like it's a kid that hasn't grown up all the way. Yeah. Because, like, other teleprud, there's, like, big corporate, like, monster ones. And they, but this one is definitely like a bunch of, bunch of just lovable kids. Yeah. It's, it's, like, it's an.

Deering robot. Yeah. It endears itself to you. Yeah. Yeah. Because it needs your help all the time. Yeah. Before we get lost.

We actually got to get lost for real. I just want to make sure these people know where and when to tune in. Apple event is taking place on Monday at 1 p.m. Eastern, 10 a.m. Pacific. On the verge.com. Just go to the verge.com. It'll be in The hero. We're live blogging. We'll have live analysis.

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Yeah. We are going to blow it out. Yes. Yeah. Cool. Just wanted to make sure. I Verge Full Effect. Yes.

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and verge. And Virge. So iTunes, people, if you would like to be on, the top of the show leave five-star review on iTunes tell us what the Android version of the verge should be called. And make Neely laugh as your goal. Because if you

make Neelai laugh, he will probably talk about you. That's right. That's almost certainly true. This person made me laugh. Someone just tweeted me if he'll tell him for $2.99, which is bonkers. Wow. Kickstarter are getting you for $2.49. So against the Apple Watch, like, what are you doing? Like, that sounds crazy to it. And then there's like all these other ones

coming out too. Yeah. Huawei's and the withings and... Yeah. And the LG Urbane. Yeah. Which looks like... It looks really good. Dude, it's just...

I know I'm in the minority. I get it. It's a good looking... If that had an analog face in it and it was made by like Seiko, you'd be like... I'm just going to say that... A decent looking second looking second. I'm just going to say that a person in a position that will call it an atrocity of a product and I did not disagree.

Okay. That's mysterious. Hmm. Would this be, well, I'm not going to expect. It was me, actually. I have eyes. I saw pictures of it and I knew it was terrible. So, Sam, do your thing, man.

Take a time. Okay. Thank you for tuning into the show. I hope you laughed with us. You can. You can, if you're interested. Sam, why are you like a jungle boat tour guide? Look, I'm just trying to resonate with the listeners.

You know, got to point. Why are the listeners on a jungle boat tour ride? You should follow us. This is not hell of leisure. You should follow us on Snapchat. Stop trying to bone the listener. You should follow us on Snapchat. We're the real verge.

We are going to be snapping from inside the Apple event. It's going to be awesome. You should really follow the verge on Snapchat. We're the real verge. And you should definitely subscribe to our YouTube channel if you haven't. We're YouTube.com slash the verge. And I'm at Sam Schaeffer on Twitter. Deeter is at Backlon.

Neelize at Reckless. And Chris is at Z power. We are at Verge, tweet at us, and that's my shtick. Rock and roll. Bye. I'm Chris Plant, and I believe technology can be, well, a little impenetrable. So I've invited my friends into a tiny padded room to tell me how it all works. And now you're just on, you're a high horse and you don't care about the people.

You just care about getting what you want. I almost killed a woman and her child on a bicycle with a drone. I'd say probably my all-time, like, true heart of hearts ship is Adrian Dale Cooper. and Audrey Horn on Twin Peaks. I'm sitting there with this watch on my wrist, and the staff at this particular Applebee's were not too impressed. You can hear it all on my new podcast. What's Tech?

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