The Vergecast - iOS 10, Sierra, and bookstore bathrooms

Episode Date: July 8, 2016

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Mm-hmm. of stuff. Joanna Stern is here. I'm here. Good. Dieter Bone, in person, live in New York City is here. And sitting directly across from you, so if I want to just look forward, I'm staring directly into your eyes.

Yeah. It's a little much. Yeah, that's how I do it. Okay. Stop. That's what happens when you leave me. You come back and you sit in front of me. You tell me why you left.

This really does feel like the opening scene of that 70 show. I mean, the, you know, the credits. Paul Miller, lighten that blood. Yeah, you know. Yes. I remember. Yeah. Marijuana.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So if it gets weird, no, it gets weird. So Joanna's turn. How are you? I'm trying to figure out. Joanna. And she's playing with her phone.

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We're all spirits except beer. So if anyone else to start, says your beer, that's the thing we can do. But I, one day, we'll start a vodka company. But is this your website? No, it's a broadcast fan's website. Yeah. Oh. And he paid you money for the podcast, or that's a joke.

Someone, you'll see. Oh, okay. Podcast advertising is about to enter an entirely new and extremely strange phase. Got it. And this company is about to earn their money's worth. Well, how is it that we haven't thought to bring an actual pair of scissors on the show to make sound effects? I think that could be edited in. Yeah.

Yeah. Insert scissors sounds right here. Yeah, right here. Sterna, how are you, man? What's gone? I'm good. Just living the life. Every time we have you in the show, it's like, Joanna, say something.

You're like, I'm okay. Yeah. I've done a lot of podcasts over the last couple weeks. Yeah, you're not even like chasing each other around the podcast circuit. I've been doing the podcast circuit. It's a, it pays zero money. I've made no money on the podcast circuit. And no good reviews, really.

No one seems to really, I mean, they seem okay with it. I feel like the big Joanna theme in my life is that Nilai brings up all the time. It's like, you know the thing that's true, Joanna pointed it out. that all people care about is phone battery life right now. That's right. As I say it every morning. I walked into the verge and I'm like, what are we covering? And they're like, all this news.

I'm like, the only thing people give a shit about is iPhone battery life. I want to point out to the listeners that Joanna is still using Apple's battery hump case. I am. Does it come on other finishes other than this grippy, sticky, super gross? That's from my lunch. This thing is not aging well. No, that's awesome. My hands are always, my hands are filthy.

But a good case should stand up to that and age with grace and dignity like the Apple leather case. So I bought that case. This thing is aging. My Apple leather case is aging like garbage. No, that's grace and dignity. That looks like distressed and quality. This is something you really can't test for when you do the original review, right? Except I did the review with the white case that Apple gave me.

Yeah. And that thing looked like a pair of dirty socks. Yeah. Like just gross. after like three days. So I decided when I was going to buy this because I love this product so much. And nobody else really does,

but I think it's great. I was going to get it in this one, and you're totally right. It picks up a lot of grease, but I've dropped the phone so many times, and it's still protected. I mean, if the headphone jack thing turns out to be true instead of buying a new iPhone,

I'm buying this case. And that's going to be like my new iPhone gift in September instead of buying the new iPhone. I'm going to buy that horrible case. For what it's going to improve your battery life. Well, because, you know, iPhone battery is like, they're good for like a year. Yeah. And then they just fall off a cliff and you, like, don't know why.

And you, like, reformat the phone. Maybe that will help. And who knows? For 80 bucks. Do you know that? I wrote that in my column this week. Any new battery? $80 just go to that.

What else is you're in a call this week? This is $100. $100 for this case. Or $130 to this case or something like that. You don't know. I know my scoop. Let's get right into the news. Let's get right into the news sound effect.

Snip, snip, snip, snip. Also, the ice cream scooper sound effect here. What does that sound like? I don't know. Everybody, wait, wait, everybody. You dip it into the water and then you, like, shake it off. But what if it's the scoop with a little, like, ice cream lever that, like, unscooked it from the thing? We bought one of those scoops that it transmits the heat from your hand.

It's got, like, anterfries inside it and you, like, shake it. That's a thing. You've seen one of these? They're really cool. But then you're not supposed to put them in the dishwasher. Because. They have anode freeze inside. And then we did that thing.

And that thing, it just, I don't know how to say. It could no longer scoop ice cream. The ice cream scoop stopped working. But it definitely stopped working. The part that lets you do the heat to the scoop. No, it just started being a really ineffective ice cream scoop. It's not, so you're saying without that feature, it's not very good. Yes.

without its main feature. Anyway, Joanna had a scoop this week. Right into the news. Right into it. Tons of Apple stuff going on. Yeah, that's what my life has been this week, is writing about iPhones and iOS 10. We've got to get deep in iOS 10 with you,

but you got a little scoop. Yeah, I did. I wrote a column about, you know, what it might seem very obvious, but to many of my readers and to many people, it isn't obvious, which is that I have long said, June comes around, you don't buy a new iPhone. Yeah.

And I heard from many people that have just recently bought an iPhone and now regret that, and so they're going to go return them. Sorry, Apple. So that was the premise of the piece was about, you know, these rumors that we've been hearing or the reporting that some of my colleagues at the journal have done. And I had a little bit of extra reporting in there was that the new iPhone,

which we don't know if it will be called the iPhone 7. I actually never called it once the iPhone 7 in there because we don't know what it would be called, and I didn't have any sources that had said that that was the confirmed name. iPhone 6S. I said in a piece that it should be called the iPhone. Air Pro. Yeah.

The iPhone Air Pro. It's pretty good. Pro plus. So, yeah, the scoop was that it will not start at 16 gigabytes. It will start at 32 gigabytes. You mean the number should have always started at? The number it should have started out for the last two or three years, yes. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a good scoop. It's fair. I like it. Yeah. I mean, I'm excited about it. Yeah. Right?

It's another reason you should wait. Because right now you're going to buy a phone at 650 and you're only going to get 16 gigabytes. Which is bonkers. Yeah. Which is ridiculous. But the theory is that they just wait up. They're just trying to sell you, right?

Yeah. And I also think, I think there's a couple of reasons. One, storage prices are going down, and it costs them $0 to get 32 gigabytes more. I think if we believe that the camera is going to get better, the photos will be bigger, and that would be really some bullshit if they only had 16 gigabytes for bigger photos.

Yeah. Which I called them out for last year. Yeah. Right? They introduced 4K video recording, takes up, what, five times the space of... But they buried this. setting. It's actually really hard to turn on it. It is, but then why do you have it?

Yeah. Some people are going to shoot with it and they should get some of space. Are those people? They're going to buy the ones. Okay, live photos then. My other, this is better. I only turned on live photos for the first time yesterday. I convinced me I'd turn live photos on all the time nonstop because of the motion stills app, which is my, this is the thing I meant to publish say. I didn't. Maybe I'll publish it for the podcast airs.

It's my favorite way to look at photos now. Like, I don't look at Google Photos. I don't look at Apple's Photos app. I take a bunch of photos, and then I browse through motion stills. And, like, I know what the photo is. If I really want to just get the photo, I can go get it. But you will always see these, like, cute little surprises in motion stills that make it totally worth it to take live photos. So I took a picture of my wife and her mother, and then my nephew ran into the scene and, like,

photo bombed it. And instead of just having the photo bomb of, like, him and the still picture, there was, like, the picture of them posing, and then all of a sudden the little kid just runs into the background. I was like, hey, it's me. This is such a good tip because I don't open it every day. And I have been taking a lot of live photos and I just have noticed that the settings on. And you're not like, it's annoying.

You have to go press every single one. I never would have seen him photo bomb it. It would have just been a picture of them. But because it was a live photo when I was scrolling through it, I saw him run into the frame. Right. And I guess I didn't realize it was taking live photos during the fireworks. Yeah, which is a way better way to put your fireworks photos up.

And you guys did a piece about that. That was really good. I used that as a tip. That was my idea. Another Google app. That makes Apple hardware much more useful. Dude, quit blowing up my spot. Is that your piece?

That's my whole piece. But look, the podcast listeners, everyone stop what you're doing. And write it right now. Read the story that I totally finished tonight. Yeah. And then don't worry, because we're unstuck in time. Yeah. We're pre-recording.

You can act like this is done. Dieter published a great story today. It's so good. I love it. Read a response off the charts. If you have read it yet, can you edit a story tomorrow morning? Yes. Okay.

We're working from the bar. I'll be fine. Look at this cute one of my dog. Right? You never would have seen that. Yeah. And I always do try and take live photos at the dog park. Oh, he's humping another dog here.

Oh, my God. But I never go back and look at him. This is awesome. This is a great story. Yeah, live photos are hard to see. Okay. You guys should read the story. So talk to me at Iowa to Andrea.

Get Joanna. Diana. Diana is just looking at photos of a dog. Look at a dog. How do you do so many podcasts and you're 20 feet away from the microphone? Now she's just digging around her first. I'm taking out my iOS 10 phone. Okay, okay.

So I can talk about it. Tell me about it. Telling you about it. Right now. Right now. This second. Um, well, I think it's pretty great. I think it's pretty, I mean, there's lots of updates in many of the core apps, and it's good.

There's some updates that need to be there that aren't there. What's your favorite core app update? Messages. Yeah. Okay. Messages don't count because there's like too much there. Okay. So that was like, I did a little bit of a.

short look at the new the new operating system today. And my big thing was the focus on messages, which is that it's a lot of fun. But I compared it to amusement park, which is that it's a lot of fun, but incredibly chaotic. And you sort of just want to leave after you've had a little bit of fun. It's like Dave and Busters.

Yeah, it's like Dave and Busters. It's right. Apple made Dave and Busters in IMessing. What do you mean? Really? It's... We're going to go right after this. Imagine have a drink.

Imagine Chucky Cheese, but without cute, fun, animatronic bands. It's like an arcade, but like a boardwalk arcade. Is that right? Yeah. It depends on the point. I was going to say something about David Busters. Oh, wait, no, I need you to explain, like, do you, it's like, that's it. I'm done talking to people because I've been having too much fun and messages.

No, no, you just sort of are like, that's enough. We don't need to add any more. Let's calm down and have a very good conversation. Yeah, we don't need to add any more firework animations or little jifs or smileys that look like my hands. We don't need to add any of that. We just need to have a normal conversation. They need to enable like suit mode where you're like, you know what? Let's just be very serious right now. Also, it's business. My phone is completely frozen right now. Everything looks like a BBM in it.

Right. Well, so no, like let me just, I wish we could kind of like video demo this, but let me just show you the four places. It's an audio podcast. I know. I'm going to use my words. I'll do it. Okay. So there are four places where you can get options for four, all right? So number one, four places, beginning with number one. Imagine the numeral four in your head. Those are the number of places you can get to the new messaging settings, okay? How many places is it? So the first one here is next to the photo icon.

This is one of four? This is four, what do they call it, digital touch? Okay. So they took the Apple Watch stuff and they put it here, okay? The stuff you never use on your Apple Watch, you now have on your iPhone. Whole pain. So you send a heartbeat? You can do smileys, bles, blest.

blah, blah, blah, you know, you can do. How do you send a heartbeat? Well, that's the weird thing. It's not really your heart because, you know, you don't, I mean, I guess it could be. Is it not actually your heart? And you can do little fireballs. This is the big question. I want to answer that.

All right. People can't see this. Oh, do you know what's garbage? Yeah, I'm texting this all to me like, right? My phone just lit up with garbage. That's the first place. You can do all of this digital touch stuff, which, frankly, you're really probably never going to do unless you're like, I don't know.

Actually, there's one thing you could do in here. I actually don't know the answer to that. Okay. I'm going to find out. So you can take a photo in the digital touch thing and you can doodle on your face and do stuff and send that to your loved ones. Okay, so that's the first place, okay?

Second place is in here, which I think is going to be the most useful, which is where you have like your stickers, your images, jifts, things that you want to insert. So these are apples. Can you get the mime hands? Yeah. Okay.

Oh, the mime hands are back. Time hands are back full force. No one had nightmares about those on the Apple Watch came out. And this one's sort of like a little grope. Can you search those of that stuff? Look at this one. Can you search all those little apps and gifts and stickers or do you have to? You can go to, so then you have the, so these are some of their other ones, right?

Then, so on the images pane here, you can search. Right. That's a lot of swiping to get to that. A lot of swiping. Do you think Johnny, those are Johnny Ives' hands? Like he went into the MoCap studio and like a green Unitarred with like white gloves and he was just like, I love you. This is my favorite one. This is like the grope from underneath one.

There's what? Look at this one. It's like, what? I would describe that as... Is that raised the room? Is that what that is supposed to be? Is that what that is supposed to be? Are you raising the roof?

I'd like to point out once again that this is a radio program. Yeah. And we're describing... There's two hands up in the air. So those are the two places we've gone through, right, so far. Those are... The first one is the digital touch. Yeah.

And then the second one is the sticker thing, right? So then let's say I want to send you a message here. Okay, so just one last thing. So then if you press down on this blue up arrow, right? I wrote rock and roll to Neelai. You can do the invisible ink. You can do it with a gentle, a gentle, which makes the font size smaller. You can do a loud, which makes the message bubble bigger.

Yeah, yeah. You can do all of this, send the slams. It slams it into the screen. Then you can go over here to do the screen, which is another thing, which sends balloons with it or confetti or that. lasers or fireworks and more lasers. Okay, so that's another place, right? Yeah.

We've gone to three places. And then you can click on this. On what? On the bubble. Yeah. And you can react to that message this way if it works. The kids love this stuff. So there is a lot of stuff.

Yeah. And I did not discover half that stuff until like yesterday. The problem I have with all this stuff isn't like, oh my God, this is cat-awking crazy. It's like a carnival. Yeah. I mean, it is that. It's that the range of emotion available to you is all, like, cute and whimsical. Like, there's no, there's no, like, on-screen effects for, like, I don't know.

So I obviously have iOS 9 on this phone. Right. You can't have a serious conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All conversations in life were not happy. Wait, wait, hold on.

Right. So I have iOS 9 and Joanna's been texting me all these reactions. Yeah. And it just says sent with, right? No, no, no, no. it's like, it sounds like you're insane. Like I got, because it's in text. So I just got one from Joanna that says, rock and rock.

Don't know what that means. I think I did actually write that though by accident. You said rock and rock and rock. And then it says sent with shooting star in parentheses. Right. And then you reacted to a thing. Right. So it just seems like you said.

Type, literally type parentheses sent was shooting star parentheses and see if it sends a shooting star. Right. But then the last one I got was. That would be cool. Joanna Stern laughed at and then a quote of my own previous text. Right. Oh, those are the pop back stickers or what they're called. Yeah, but I can't see them.

Right. This is very confusing. It just sounds like Joanna is the most sarcastic person. It's going to be fine. You're going to upgrade to iOS 10. Which is fair. Yeah. We all are because it's free.

We all are. It's free and it seems like there's actually other stuff I'm super excited about in iOS 10. Yeah. The widgets and the widgets are good. The apping of apps. Talk to me about widgets because we at WDBC, we talked a lot about widgets, but we didn't really know. So what's the widget story?

Why are you looking at me? I don't know. The thing is right now. This is also another bug. I need to report. I've been reporting bugs through the feedback thing. You're a good beta tester. I'm a great beta tester.

No, this is not, it's not working right now. The widgets just say each and an hour. How do the widgets? Talk to me about widgets. There we go. Well, the big thing is also that right now there are not a lot of widgets because a lot of third parties have not actually created widgets to go there. I mean, it's brand new.

But that's going to change because they've taken widgets out of the nowhere zone of the drop-down screen. Is it going to change? I submit to you technology known as 3D touch. But no one has developed anything for it. I've actually been swiping over to this left-hand area a lot more just because it shows some more info. And actually news has gotten better. Because it's way more useful than Siri Predicto zone, whatever it was before. Totally.

And this, like the news widgets actually gotten better. News has gotten better in here. I feel like it's actually not just giving me the same stories it gives everybody. We talk about the fact that... Love weather. Widgets are like... Is it 72 a thing that was differentiated Android back in the day

and they sort of like they weren't that great so Android stepped away from it and now Apple's like, hey, widgets, we're here. Yeah, here's my question. Do they just turn this thing into an Android phone? Yes. Because it really sounds like you're describing the Android phone. Like there's a whole screen of weird stuff to the left.

Yeah. There's, right? Like... Yeah, it feels like the sort of like the sort of like... like the Google Now area in a way, like where that's been, but it's not as good. Yeah, but like it's not as good, but also like Google Now is not what it ought to be in terms of like the predictions that it gives. It's like hasn't like gotten radically smarter over time. So if I could just pick the stuff that I put over there, I think I'd be happier with that than I am with Google Now.

Yeah, but there's certain things that are like very delightful with Google Now that they'll tell you sometimes. And you're like, oh yeah, I did search for that, you know, which Apple's never giving you that stuff. Well, Apple refuses to delete you. I think the photos app is better too. The search seems to be faster and you can do these categories of stuff. Like mostly searching. How is the facial recognition? Because on Sierra it's like, okay.

You mean of like objects? Yeah. It does like some random things that like but other random things you search. Like it doesn't have anything. So like for interest, like I searched Tuxedo and like that has all these photos of people in Tuxedo. Right. But there was something else I searched and it couldn't find it, like mountain. For some reason, like, it doesn't, it only shows me places where I've been that have a mountain in the name of it. You want to know how I'm a middle manager?

Yeah. The most useful search feature on Google photos that I use all the time is whiteboard. Huh. That's really good. I searched Google photos for the word taillight today and it showed me four hundred pictures of taillights that I've taken in my life. Why? It's just the thing I did. Okay. Well, I installed new taillights in my car. Are they black?

They're blacker than the old town. This is an interesting one. I'm on a continued class to make my car the blackest possible car. When I search for car, actually, like a couple things come up, but also one category that comes up is car park. Oh, yeah, the car park. Which is just a picture from an airplane. That's really weird.

So, yeah, there's some random stuff. So here's my question. Everyone gets this stuff for free. Before an operating system upgrade, you roll it out. You've got to get excited about it. You're going to buy it. now we're just like we're literally 10 versions deep into it's free every year. Yep.

You have to get it because otherwise you get weird sarcastic picture messages. How does one get excited about this title wave just constantly washing over you? I think you should get excited about like particular small things that will make you happier. So I'm excited about the widgets because I'm a nerd about widgets and I also am a nerd about the concept of like apps no longer live inside that single little icon but they're like spread out among the whole operating system. It's not like iOS is as open as I would like, but it's like they've finally built in a bunch of tools to make things start to feel more integrated than they did before. So that, I'm conceptually excited and just utility excited.

I'm also excited for CarPlay to not be a dumpster fire. It's terrible right now. You can't reorder icons. You can't. But it still only works with Apple Maps, right? Yeah, of course. Yeah. Although I don't know why Google couldn't make one of those things.

But like, I don't know, like the navigation is bad. add. There's a whole bunch stuff that I'm really unhappy about with it. And so I'm excited to see, especially with the new maps, if it's going to be more useful. Is Siri helpful for you when you're using carplay? I have my car will only do it doesn't have car play, but it has Siri,

which is weird. That's strange. It's called Siri Hands Free. It's like a weird. Oh, it's like a baby stick. Do you remember? I feel like that was five WWCs ago. Yeah. And I have a big deal with it and everyone forgot about it. I have a Chrysler, so they just got there. Like they literally just put out of software. Everyone forgot about it until Nilai got his new car.

Like, I feel like that has Apple done anything with that? No, but car companies are stupid. Yeah. So, like, Chrysler's like, what about now? Right. And they announced... Can you plug your phone into the car? Like, there's a USB port, and it doesn't do anything to integrate with the system.

No, it does. The only thing it does is when you connect it over Bluetooth, it does a lot of weird stuff with your phone book. It's like downloading your phone book. And you're like, you're a car. You don't need that. I will just use my phone. But then it does a serious thing. But Chrysler announced at CES, for example,

new head units in all 2017 cars, capacitive touchscreen, like they're in the future, car play. Turns out, maybe that's not actually happening. They just like kind of figure it out, huh? A bunch of press materials for new Chrysler's came out. Did you get a new car or an old car? About a 2014.

So maybe that's why. No, but it's the same. The 2016 has the same. same stuff. Anyway, it doesn't matter. My point is car companies are lazy and stupid. Yeah. And they're still...

What do you have? I have a 2016 Honda Civic. I got it because it was the cheapest car I could get that had both Android Auto car play and heated seats. I would totally look for those things too. Deated seats? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I live in New York, though.

I don't know. I live in California. Is it freezing? I don't know. It's for my wife. Although I will say, now that I have back problems, cranking the AC. up and then turning on the heated seat is awesome. That's very decadent.

I had a friend who lived in Texas and his favorite thing in the world was to open the windows and turn on the air conditioner and he's like, I'm a rebel. I think you're just wasteful. I think that's where you are. But your CarPlay Android Auto experiences have been very middling from Intel. Yes. So it doesn't like USBC for the Nexus 6P so it sometimes draws too much power. And Android Auto in general is super buggy, even though it has a way better navigational interface.

So it's like it's easier to use. Google is smarter than Siri for voice stuff, but it crashes more often. Maybe because it doesn't like how much power USBC draws. Whereas CarPlay for Apple is solid as a rock, like 95% of the time. And then every now and then it'll like just crash and like randomly won't play Spotify.

But it has, it's terrible to navigate around. You've got to like hit a home, like not the main radio home button, but another home button. You mean like the home? The virtual home button. Like you want, like what do you want in your car? You want maps and you want,

what am I listening to right now? And in Android Auto, it's one button in CarPlay. It's like one, two, sometimes. It's one, two, or one, swipe, two, three, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. I reviewed those both last year and, I mean, the thing was was that the real thing to compare it to

was the in the in-system car. And it's just like, it's so much better. I also reviewed CarPlay and a Corvette, so I liked it better. Yeah, but GM's thing is really big. Like, this is the thing with carmakers. Their stuff is so bad. Exactly.

It's something that's still pretty bad. It's really good. Yeah, no. It's great. That corvette's really nice, though. Yeah. I mean, yes, I like that corvette back. But you know what's better is my phone?

I think I need to do a year. A year with a Corvette. Paul, how are you? Yeah, what's going on? I guess that's the word. How's your car? Well, I don't have a car. Yeah.

I can't relate to any of these things that you guys are talking about cars. Tell me about phone OS's. I just you know a few episodes back I said like I was just we were trying to do like one-liners to summarize companies or something like that and I was saying Apple is bad at software and I'm thinking because that just was off the top of my dome I couldn't think of what I was saying that at the time and I just think it's I this is the first time that I'm not really looking forward to an Apple software update because I just feel like been bitten like the past two or three revisions like they used to they would always make it dramatic better on iOS. Like you got a feature that you always needed, some sort of like copy and paste type thing. Right. And then on the Mac, it always felt like,

man, they're just streamlining it and making it more solid and faster. That's the vibe I got on the Mac. And now I just feel like they're making the Mac more and more fragile. It's just like, I mean, I'm starting to get a lot of hard crashes on my Mac, and it's just like, I don't know.

I just feel like, Apple's like over the hill and it's sort of a little bit of on a decline as far as software quality. That just makes me not excited. I love, I do want all those I message features, but. I don't have a problem with fragility on the back. All of four places. Yeah. But I do have, I think conceptually they don't know where they're going.

Yeah. Especially with the new Siri stuff. I've complained about this before. Actually, so the news say is that the public beta is out for both Siri and iOS 10. And the thing they did to Sierra is they changed. the keyboard shortcut from function space to command space hold. So if you want Spotlight, you hit command space.

If you want Siri, you hit command space and hold it down. Which is like, you're already confused about which one of these things I should be using in the first place, or at least I am because I do similar things slightly differently. And now it's like the same keyboard shortcut. Like, what do you doing?

Are you running it on here? No, not on this machine. Yeah, I really wonder how much I'm going to use Siri. Yeah. I wish I could just type it. I wish also you could just say, hey Siri. Well, yeah, that's like, I have no idea. Because sometimes I, like, actually, it was listening to the podcast you were on with Gruber.

Podcasts for days. Podcasts. And I was listening to it on my MacBook Air and I didn't want to stop listening to it. So I put the MacBook Air and, like, it was taken around into, like, my bedroom, to the bathroom all over the, you know, listen to your podcast in the bathroom. And I wish I could have just been like, hey, Siri, you know, pause the podcast. Yeah, yeah. Or whatever. I mean, I just think that...

I mean, I'm sure a lot of people don't use their computer a lot like that. But it just feels like something they should have. I don't know why you would talk to a computer that requires you to push a button, right? Like... It's across the room. Yeah. No, but you... It's kind of like the Alexa thing, right?

Like, what's great about Alexa is that she's just in the room. What's great about Alexa is that it has really good microphones. Yeah, that's very true. And Max don't. I know you were going to say that. We got to talk about Sierra. But my next thing is the echo and Alexa in spot. Hold on one side.

Guys, chill out. I want to tell you a story. There's a town, Joanna, in Colorado called Golden. Golden, Colorado. It was founded during the Gold Rush. It was home to miners. Those miners who lived in Golden spent 12 hours a day in the frozen ground. Minors who mine, not children.

Yes. Okay. Yes. Drink responsibly. With ER. The miners, the gold miners. spent 12 hours a day in the first ground digging for gold. But that land was rich in another resource. Rocky mountain water, which runs cold and clear.

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There I go. In Colorado. It's very nice. Yeah. I drank like the, you know, the freshest beer ever. I drank Coors Light all weekend. Just putting out there. Not because they pay the money.

Because it's a beer you can drink all day. response When you're not a minor Yeah O-R or ER Yeah I was setting up my Bitcoin mining workstation Just pounding cores legs

How do you spell minor? How do you spell minor? Am I N-O-R? Except not in this case In this case it's ER All right Was there anything else to talk about With Apple?

Well, we got to kind of wrap up the Sierra thing Yeah I never installed the Osemini and I never felt one one piece of left out Yeah I think you're okay So

Was that we have to be Copy paste Sierra. Can you use that? Oh, El Caput. I have your cement. I install the Seventh. I never installed a copy of ten. Which I did install so hard that I forgot its name.

Never missed a beat. It's fine. Didn't we talk about Sierra in the Vergecast once? To me, like, Siri is like literally a side show. It's on the side of the screen. The bigger deal is that ICloud, like, you can turn it on to automatically sync your desktop folder and your documents folder to ICloud. And then there's an app that like appears on your phone like magic that or all

that stuff is. So it's what I do with Dropbox. When I use Dropbox, I literally will remap my documents folder to Dropbox, so everything's synced. And now that's just available to everybody. Dude, I'm going to show you something horrifying. Yeah. This is my desktop. Yeah, I know. Don't even start. Oh my God. Mine looks like that once a week. It's just hundreds of screenshots. Holy. Yeah. That's how I communicate. It's hundreds and hundreds of screensets. You know, there's apps that will just like magically clean that up for you. Yeah. It's called me opening the the desktop folder, selecting everything with the word screenshot the name and deleting it. I do that once a week. Once a week, I like organize into folders.

The other thing that you can and should do is stop using the built-in screenshot tool and use an app that I like called annotate. It pops up the screenshot in a window. You can draw little doodles on it and then you can hold the option key down, drag it to where you want, or you can upload it to Dropbox or whatever. And then when you're done, it's gone. Or you can save it if you really care. It used to be a Skitchman.

Yeah, what happened to Skitch. Evernote ruined it. We love Skitch. Yeah, Skitch was our jam. Annotates a spiritual successor to Skitch Because Evernote ruined Skitch By requiring the file sharing Go through them and you couldn't share the thing directly

No, that's just shut down I have to pay for it Yeah, I mean this is how deep everyone's love for Skitch We had Skitch like the pink arrows You know? The Verge was designed largely through Skitch Yeah as far as I can tell Skitch was the best

annotates the spiritual successor Do you have to pay for it? Yeah Okay It's worth it. Nice Nice Do you have to subscribe to it?

No. Do you get a community? mission every installed dealer. I should. Coors, the bank would be. Yeah. All right. So Spotify and the Echo, this is a big deal.

It's a small, oh, we, in the BlackBray keyboard thing, what we'll do at the end. We have a lot of stuff to talk about. We're cruising. I don't even know how long we've been talking for. 20 minutes, 30 minutes, six hours. Spotify and the Echo. A small, a small thing. Yeah.

But a big thing. Huge thing. Because so, so the Echo, device. Mm-hmm. Heard of it. We've talked about it this show lot. Largely drives you

towards Amazon services by default, but you can add all this other stuff in along the side. Currently you would have to say Alexa,

play me Spotify on or X, Y and Z on Spotify. Blank space on Spotify. Yes. Yeah.

I do it so much. You're just like start to pop it off. Is this mean you're going to say something other than Wilco? Play blank space on Spotify. It's going to do that

in like everyone's last. Yeah, no. We, this is a game we play all the time. Alexa, buy me an echo tap. So many times. Alexa, set a timer for 29 minutes.

Alexa, buy me the top end Mac Pro. Okay, Google. Where's my phone? Make it rings. Alexa, wake me up tomorrow at 5 a.m. Then wake me up again at 5.15. Alexa, set a timer for 75 hours. People still listen to the show.

I don't know why. Hey, Cortana. A bunch of people actually seem to enjoy this joke. Anyhow. You're going to get a lot of Angry Windows fans right there. Cortana's cool. You guys had a huge feature today. Yeah, she's way more advanced talking to bots than anybody else.

Yeah. What bots? I've got to think about a whole kinds of thoughts about that. Let me get through this one piece of tiny news. Because it's a thing. So now you can set Spotify to be the default music service. You can just say play whatever. You can set Pandora to be.

the default radio so you can be like play 90s rock and it'll do it from Pandora instead of Prime Music Radio which dumpster fire. When did that happen? Today. I learned so many things. Yesterday as you're listening to this. Yesterday. I was on Farhad and Jay Yarrow's show and I learned so much news on that show too.

Yeah. Just go on podcasts to get your podcast. That's where people listen to podcasts. I don't listen to podcasts. I go on them. I guess on them weekly to get a news update. Such a good idea. So here's my question about this.

This seems super rational, especially for something like Spotify or Pandora. Yep. But it's also kind of how you would want to interact with all of your favorite services. That's what I'm saying. It's a big deal. It's a big story. It's a big story. At some point you want Alexa to just know that you really want just, when you ask for the news,

you really just want to read Joanna Stern's column. So several months ago, I wrote a story. I wrote a story called The Internet Bundles already here. presaging the fear that all these intelligent assistants would only work with the companies that they had partnerships with. Yeah, I'm worried about that. And Alexa is one of the few that's actually doing, and actually Cortana as well.

And now Siri. No. So, they're doing a really good job of saying, yeah, we'll work with whatever. And Alexa's saying you can make this other thing your default is pretty great. But what are the chances that you will be able to do this with Siri? I thought that's what this kind of announcement is.

Do you think it's going to happen? Do you think that they're going to let Spotify be the default music player? Oh, so right. We still have to say Spotify. Oh, yeah, you're right. No, that's probably not going to happen. It's never going to happen. Yeah.

Right. They're going to funnel you towards things. It's the same thing with CarPlay. Right. And I'm saying it's a huge deal for Amazon to let go. Yeah. Yep. Because that puts them in position where every other company is going to want you to buy an echo.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, there's two things Alexa never really gets right for me, which is one, play the song I want to play, and then she ends up playing it on Amazon Prime music or whatever. Or I say, like, set the alarm for whatever, and she ends up setting, like, adding that to my to-do list for some reason.

Yeah. And actually I really want, like, Wonderlist to work with this. If only Amazon can make a phone. There are apps for Android that work with Alexa. It's like an Alexa conduit. So you can do that. to like set up like um i'm really happy yeah no no there's like there's like an actual app that you can do to set up i think i could have set up something so like if i asked to set up a like a to-do it will go

no i meant like there's an app on your phone that like is alexa on your phone yeah yeah the other thing if they really want to get ambitious is technically i know there's like a third-party app that like but she's saying also for alexa you can tell Alexa to set up uh its skills now by voice instead of searching for it in the app. But the thing I was getting to is Android was technically built in such a way that anybody could become the default assistant for the operating system.

They did it so that there could be other assistants in China that aren't Google services. If Amazon really wanted to, they could set up Alexa as like the default assistant on any Android phone if they just did the one to develop. Well, they're putting out Android phones and doing like weird special deals and stuff. Right. They're inching closer.

If they just finish that, they could for all intents and purposes have an Amazon phone if they just like did that last piece. Why would you buy a phone from Amazon though? Aren't you doing something on the cheap Amazon phones? I don't blow up my column for next week. I'm keeping my mouth shut for a reason. I see what I'm professionally. I see what's happy.

I got a lot of other ideas though here. You got the 32 gig scoop? I got the scoop on your column. Next week on Joanna's column. I had a whole question. I had a whole thing to ask about. I forgot what it is. Oh, I know it is.

It's what you were talking about with Cortana and with bots. Bots, right? Like, Microsoft's whole game is to become, like, the default vendor for the people who make the bots, the default, like, operating system for the bots to run in the cloud, and then for Katana be able to talk to all of them intelligently.

Apple seems to be doing this whole other thing with Siri. Well, Apple's doing apps. apps, not bots, which is a very weird distinction because what does an app anymore even? But also, because apps live inside Apple's ecosystem in a way that bots don't. They have like a control over that.

Well, it's the same how they do those little like extensions, like the share this to something or edit this with. Have you tried doing the workflow app to like hack that to do the stuff you actually wanted to do? Like what? I set up one that instead of

If I want to like send an email to a specific email address Which I do all the time Tips at the verge.com You should check it out I just like I hit the button And then it like pops up the thing And I hit the button and it's done I don't have to type in tips at the verge

Oh nice I just beep beep beep Set I gotta get this app I mean Just like a couple people in my life That I think like really know how to use computers Way better than me

And Dieter is that person Also Ross Miller And both of those people Ross Miller Yeah Yeah, you and Ross Miller just knows how to, like, do you, use a computer so fast that, so you can go play Pokemon. Yeah. Oh, which we should talk about.

That's what I want to talk about. I'll just sit here and think about Pokemon. I feel like, you know, like, I'm pretty good at computers. Like, but then I, like, talk to Dieter or Ross, and I'm like, or see, watch them. And I'm like, I'm really not going to. Especially spreadsheets. All right. Spreadsheets.

Amazing. Or did you do one more of these. We talk of Pokemon. We got a lightning ad. Yeah, we've been out. It's like, we got an hour. Are we also out that. Yeah, gadget.

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A weekly segment, yeah. It's called gadget guys. Gadget Guys. With a Z. I was thinking G-U-I-S-E like it was a, you know, disguise. It's pretty good. Made me next time.

But this week, it's gadget guys with a Z. Yeah. Is this when you feature a guy who likes gadgets? No, it's my favorite gadget of the week. Just Paul runs the gadget. Which always kind of ends up being something that we wrote about on a Thursday. And I swear every time I look through every single thing, Circuit Breaker published for the previous week.

And my favorite thing is this Samsung UFS memory cards. Guys, with a Z, have you heard about UFS memory cards? So Samsung already built, this is the flash storage that they already use in their phones. And it's like the next EMMC, which is what the sort of flash stories that you would get in like a crappy laptop. top. But it's not quite SSD, but it's way faster than like microSD. Right. And it's not even clear.

Like there's no devices yet that have like UFS slots. But these would be a lot better for like recording 4K video and stuff. But can they be on like is it, is this the standard that goes inside the chip or is it actually have to be? Is there a photo of this? Yeah. It looks like so it can go in micro SD card slots. It looks like cool little fins on it. Yeah.

Look at those fins. Those are cool little fins. They cut through. It has slightly less capacity than microSD. I got to say the cool little fins. But it's so, so much faster. But will we need a different slot? Look at those contacts.

So what excites me about this. I think that might be user hostile. Why would that be user hostile? Because you have to get a new phone with a new, you might have a lot of microSD cards, and now they won't work. Who has a lot of micro-SD cards? I do.

Really? Yep. What do you use them for? Storing things. But this stuff will store things way faster. So what I would like... My Bluetooth headphones would be... My greatest dream would be

the next time I get a laptop and I'm like, there's no way I'm going to run out of X number of gigabytes of SSD. Then I could put one of these cards in and have very fast performance storage. an expandable way. Like I would really like this to be a thing that happens for laptops. Also with phones.

But I'm just tired of having a 256 gigabyte laptop. I splurged for the 256. I'm tired of it. I have a 128. Yikes. Living is hard. Have you known so?

I want to get a partition on here. I want to put windows on here. I want to put Linux on here. And I can't. I'm always out of storage. See, life is even harder for him. Well, he's got twice as much as you. Yeah, but he's got a lot of OS ambitions.

He does. How many? What do I have? I have no OS ambitions. I just want to store, like, photos and videos. Oh, I gave up on photos and videos. You don't have it anymore? They don't belong on this computer.

Yeah, I'm going to say about... I mean, and also, this is, I've been wanting to do a piece. The cloud is overrated. I've got a hundred... The cloud is super overrated. Oh, I got 512. What? Whoa.

What? Wait, wait, what? Wait, what? Everyone? Let's all stop being impressed with Dieter's amount of storage. I mean, it is impressive. for such a small computer. Yeah.

You're really splurged. Why is a cloud overrated? Get into it. For so many reasons. So, name so. Joanna on a podcast, everyone. You need to really think it out.

She is just like, she's sitting there shaking her head in me. I think the cloud, the cloud is great, but it's no excuse to not solve the local problems. Right. Like, just because Google can solve

storing all my photos forever, making them searchable doesn't mean I also don't want to have a... Right. I don't know if I did a double negative there, but a physical thing that's really easy to just like, hey, plug this into your phone at night, unplug it, and then for the rest of your life, these photos, everything, you'll have everything in real physical form in your home. Yeah. I think, I mean, I do wonder if it's, we use like a lot of media in our jobs.

So I think we might have bigger demands. for local storage than other people. Way disagree. Really? I don't take photos or videos hardly at all because I just don't have a good place to put them. Like where are they going to live forever? Unless I want to...

But do you want to care for a hard drive forever? No. And so I want Google to also help, but I just feel like I need to have some sort of agency in here. Yeah. I don't know. I get scared of the cloud because every time you upload something to one of those services,

the government. The government can get at it, right? just need a warrant, they can just go and look at your stuff. They can delete it for copyright reasons. They can screw it up. Somebody can hack you. Like, there's a reason to keep some of your stuff to yourself. I've got a great way.

Yeah, what is that? To pivot. Get it. To Pokemon Go. Based on the cloud. Cloud Go. You didn't even think. Okay, so right now, basically all day, Pokemon Go's servers have been overloaded.

Yeah. And so consumers typically think of the cloud as like, oh, that's where we want to back our things up and stuff like that. And that's why I can have tons of Gmail storage and stuff. But from a company standpoint, the cloud is all about having a scalable infrastructure where you don't have to pre-buy a lot this much. You don't have to pre-a-lot this much. You just scale rapidly.

And the best example of this is like the first ultra-successful video game in history to not have crazy outages all the time is Overwatch. Blizzard just made a perfect game. that it's like rapidly become the most popular game on the planet and they have not had sorry our servers are overloaded other than like for like five seconds um and i right now i know this sounds silly but i'm so disappointed and and angry that it's like it's like a dereliction of duty the people who made this new Pokemon go have failed everybody like Labs, by the way.

If you're going to name a shame, you've got a name. Yeah. Nianic. Nyannic. Derelliction of Duty. Not Nintendo. They've taken the most obvious slam dunk ever, which is take Pokemon and then tie it to a location API. So it's like with maps.

And it's broken in every single way. The app crashes all the time. It's janky. It makes your phone super hot. It destroys your battery life. It doesn't look good. the interface has nothing to do with Pokemon, how you actually play Pokemon.

They really broke your heart, didn't they? They did everything wrong. The thing was so exciting to me about this was the moment of like augmented reality. Yeah, right. Mixed reality. Like you pick up your phone, you walk around, you get these notifications, and now you're living in this world with Pokemon. You like look through your camera, you see a Pokemon.

There's so many. Do you need a toy for this? You can get a, you can buy a watch if you want. with a watch. They're selling a little smart watch that will vibrate when there's Pokemon nearby so you don't have to constantly be looking at your phone to look around for them. I have not followed this and it sounds amazing. Yeah.

Yeah, theoretically. I'm reading about it. I just think it would be a huge watershed. And, you know, number one in the app store and stuff. And they can't keep the servers up. And the actual software, even outside of the servers, it's just, it's garbage. It's made in unity in the worst. possible way and I'm just so

frustrated. So it launched yesterday or today? It launched kind of yesterday. Like the Australia, New Zealand beta. Yeah. I have to try this. This looks crazy. I mean, it sounds very sad. There were people

that were like really obsessed with the old Niantic game. Ingress? Ingress. Yeah. Which I mean this is like the same idea but with Pokemon branding. Right. And I think that one had kind of its own sort of native. interesting UI. Yeah, well, and they were like teams and like a whole thing.

And they tried, it was only on Android for a while. It wasn't like cross-platform day one. Yeah. You're so sad. Yeah. And it's not like this was going to be my favorite thing. And it's not like I'm the biggest Pokemon fan. I just thought this was the moment for augmented reality.

Yeah, it still could be. It's only one day. Give them a minute. No, it sucks forever. The app needs a year of, well, someone else. who cares has to take over the project, start from scratch, and make it. That's what it needs to be fixed. These people, they're election of duty.

Maybe it's better on Android. It's not. I watched a lot of people play with Pokemon. A lot of people look to real sad. There's a great, so I was walking home with my roommate and his girlfriend last night, and they just both installed Pokemon Go, started catching Pokemon. They were having a great time And then his crashed

He saw the Unity flash screen And then hers locked up in this thing Where it was like one still image Like floating in space But the gyroscope still works So you can pan it around And This thing is working fine for me right now

Who is this for? Pokemon people Everyone people Pokemon stories have dominated our website And Polygon Nonstop for the past two days Yeah You're just not one of these people

But I think I want to be. You should be. Well, I actually want to play this app. This sounds pretty crazy. For the reasons that Paul's getting out of a good augmented reality experience, that's kind of fun. Right. I mean, it's so out of hand that police stations in Australia have, like, started putting out alerts being like, please don't come in the... Because there's like a Pokemon in the police station.

Oh. Yeah. But it's like it actually scattered randomly. It could be like this issue of, like, people walking around and not looking where they're going. When you boot the app, it tells you, look around. Be aware of your surroundings. Yeah. Miriam, our video editor, said her. bike ride to work today took half an hour extra

because she was biking with her phone out and every time she saw one she would stop and get it. Hi Miriam. It's good talking to you. Let's do a really quick lighting round. Ready? Yeah.

Lighting around. You got to put your phone down, Joanna. Stop playing Pokemon. All right. I'm just going through this list. I don't know what it is. The Tesla autopilot crash. Give me your quick reaction.

People are stupid. I don't know. Feel badly, but people are stupid. I don't know. I heard say allegedly watching a movie. Yeah, that's why I say people are stupid. Dieter. It was going to happen sometime.

Better. I don't know. It was going to happen sometime. Like, that's it. Yeah. Paul. Yeah, I think I'm with Dieter. It's kind of inevitable.

But it's not like the word beta in car software. Yeah. That's a real mess. Yeah. Just anything my phone. or my car doesn't be in beta. Yeah. I think that's the big lesson here, right? Like, don't let people use something that isn't done.

Right. So I disagree with that a little bit, actually. Like, there's no way to release something like this perfect on day one. There was always going to be, like, problems. But now we can actually discuss them, hopefully, out of the open rationally, with the knowledge that, yes, people in self-driving cars will either die or kill other people and we can like talk about those risks rationally relative to the risks of actual driving

and if we just kept on waiting and waiting and waiting until somebody like signed off and said yes we're out of beta now it's perfect the the conversation wouldn't have been rational at all it would have been a huge freak out when inevitably somebody got killed by it well the line it's going to be this lighting round you got really derelative yeah I'm sorry this is not a good lightning round type of topic I was just talking the There's deep thoughts. It's not responsible.

Who made the list? I know Dieter was like disagreeing with me, but I think I agreed with everything he said, so I'm trying to think about what I was saying. I'm just reading the headlines. What's the next? What I was going to say is it's going to be really crazy on the liability. Because right now, if you're in a robot car, do you want it to hurt you or hurt somebody else?

Right. That's a very theoretical question. And now it's a real question. Right. Lightning round. So I'm just going to go the next one. Amazon opening a bookstore in New York City. Is that really happening?

It's the rumor. I know it's been the rumor for a while. They better have good bathrooms. Yeah, that's right. I was thinking the same exactly about we are on the same. Well, there's a couple things. For one, the Barnes & Noble and Union Square is the bathroom of Union Square. Yes.

It's super clean, too. It's actually pretty nice. The other thing is that something that all of my family members have noticed is that every time we go to a bookstore, we have to go number two. This is a thing, Paul. Is that a thing? Is that a real thing? I've had that conversation with my friends multiple times. What is going on in my writing?

We need to have a podcast and talk about that thing. How is that a thing? It's a thing. It's a thing. I don't, I do not normally have to go to the bathroom or want to go to the bathroom in public. Yeah. But at bookstores, done. My God.

This is, so I totally agree. And they should have like, they should have an Amazon. Okay. Great. Maybe you could talk to Alexa while you're sitting there. Speaking of things you're doing in the bathroom. Or get great prime toilet paper. Snapchat memories.

Are you played with it? Snapchat memories. No. I don't even know where it's located in the app. I don't think I'm a pretty good Snapchat. I'm not terrible. It's a slow rollout. You don't know like 30 days.

You're not guaranteed to have it. Oh, not? Yeah. You'd think they would have like wanted me to have it. You know what the feature I'm way more excited about is they let you, now you can send snaps during a camera roll. Yeah. Oh, really?

I lost. Wait, really? Yeah. I lost a great snap this weekend because I like, I took the video and then I was like driving the car and I'd like keep driving so I couldn't like monkey with Snapchat. So what you can do, you can take a live photo. If you like the video, you can save the video from it and then send that to Snapchat. Wait, I have to be approved for that too.

In case you're wondering, that's my new sign of approval. Yes, I have the new Snapchat. All right. I love this podcast. Lots of news. So much news. Apple buying title. I think very likely.

It's a six-day-old rumor. Why is it on this list? Yeah, I mean, it feels right though. It feels right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Doesn't really feel...

Oh, Apple Music is way better in iOS 10. That's another thing. It really is like way better. I feel like I know where to go and like it's not a huge maze. I just want an iPod. I'm seriously considering... You know what iPods have? What's that?

Headphone jacks. Yep. Here's the thing you can do You can buy an iPod You can open it up You can put an SSD in it And then you have a kick-ass iPod What if you put some UFS

Yeah, with fins What you want is a huge iPod A tiny memory check No it's the thing you can do What was Samsung's iPod killer Was it the juke? The YIP

The YIP Yep Yeah No no they tried to do the pebble Oh yeah But it was called the YEPP Yep. I didn't name it.

They had so many things they just really wanted to be the iPod. I'm not finding this. This is a company that tried to convince us that we wanted a product called milk. YEPP. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yep.

Yep. Yep. Why do they think that was a good name? Oh my gosh. This is great. They made all kinds. Samsung. What happened to Samsung crazy?

Are we going to look back on Samsung the way we look back on Peak Sony? Samsung YP E64 Yup Sony Sony crazy like inspires like desire and warm feeling

Samsung crazy just makes you go huh Samsung crazy is like This thing What was this thing? I was in college And man I lived a crazy life Sony

Sony crazy was like I aspired to one day be an adult who had a cleeate Yeah Right But Samsung crazy is like Yeah This is the yip

Yep Yep I've got this one. This is their 64. I think it was their... Yep. Yep. I think they didn't just change to YP.

I mean, if you look at the YEP Wikipedia page, by the way, the first thing that says the first line of the Samsung YEP Wikipedia page is not to be confused with the youth of the European people's party. And if anyone is confusing those two things, I want to meet you. Who are you? Yeah, they changed all of it to just YP. Just to be clear, there was the YP R series, the YP S series, the YEP Q, including the YPQ1 diamond, the YPPP-P-U, the YP-U, wait for it, the YP-K, the YP-T, the YPF1, the YP-Z5, the YH-999. Worst lightning round ever. I'm just saying they make so many goddamn Yps. Yep.

Did anyone, if you bought a Samsung yep, please tweet at Backlon. No. This looks a little Sony. Yeah. This is like during the face. Right. And this was the other, this was the pebble. Audio show.

The S pebble was like a real mess. Anyhow. Oh, right. Sorry, audio show. It looks like a plastic pebble. All right. Last one. Joanna, this one's for you.

This is, by the way, we discussed nothing about Apple and title. but Joanna, this one's for you. I saw this today in the wild at a coffee shop, stylish young lady using H.P. Spector. It's banging away at Excel in a coffee shop. She was a reviewer. She was not her review. Yes, her name was Mrs. Cinet.

Are you sure? Do you really ask if they were a reviewer? No, I could see what she was doing in no rational reviewer. I do that. Sometimes I'm like at a coffee shop. I actually do this like in the wild. I try to see how people use technology. for stories. Eli knows about this.

When we have dinner, I like... Snooping. Yeah, I don't listen to what he's saying and I'm sort of taught, like listen to other people and how they're using technology. Where was I going with this?

And sometimes I look at their screens and it seems super weird because then like it looks like I care about what's like their business confidential work. But I'm really just trying to see like how they're using these years. I was like Pepsi sales figures

for the next eight months projected. But I don't care because what I'm really saying is that you're using Excel. So what is your lighting, right? Yeah, you review the Specter. You cut some cheese with it.

a video. I did. Tell me about it. I actually just sent them back. That's what I was doing before I came here. Oh, that's why you were like. I was wiping the windows off. I was wiping windows off of the specter and sending it back to HP.

I don't like the gold. My first thing is just like, oh, that gold looks ugly. Copper. The rest of it's pretty good. Yeah. But it's ugly gold. Oh, and the fan gets super loud. And it just spews hot air.

But. Yes, exactly. I kind of want this laptop. I was on the Goober podcast. I was saying, I desperately need a new MacBook Pro. This thing is... Oh, yeah, I heard you talk about this. It's like glitching out.

The screen blinks at me. It's slow in that way that Max gets slow and like mysterious. You know, it's like, all of a sudden, it's like, you know what? I'm just going to wait. But I won't buy one now. I have Dieter's old MacBook. I got Overwatch. I mean, we're all waiting for the MacBook Pro in the fall, right?

I mean, that's not we all, but most, it's a lot of people. All if it has UFS. Yeah. You want a MacBook Pro with expandable storage. Yeah. I do wonder. I haven't been thinking a lot about what ports are going to be on that MacBook Pro. Somebody actually makes a thing for the MacBook Pro that it's a SD card type thing and you put it in and then it's flush.

I have it in my MacBook Pro. I have it in my MacBook, air. I don't have it with me, but I have it. It's the TARDIS. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've actually been thinking like I should review it, but I don't know if it's like bad advice to say go get one of these because like exactly what you were saying for the speeds are not that fast. and like what if that thing fails

and all your stuff is on there? Right, because that's going to be the place where you're going to put the long-term photos and videos. What works about that is actually really cool. It creates not a partition, sort of whatever, it's not a raid. Oh, it like spans your disc. Yeah, it expands the disc.

I forget what the right term is because it's not like raid or whatever. I don't want us to do that. My worry there is if that fails, then what will I lose that's on there? Right. Can you turn that off? Yes, you can turn that off.

So I have it set up because I can't, like, I don't have permissions on my work laptop that I can just drag stuff to it. And so that's what I've been doing. Like, when I run low on storage, I drag my photos and videos over there. Cool. Cool. We're just having our own conversation here. This is a good tip. Yeah.

We've had a lot of good tips on this podcast, mostly about the Amazon bookstore. It's pretty much just the one tip there. And never using that bathroom. Yeah. Or any public bathroom. Don't go number two in public bathroom if you can avoid it. That's the problem with bookstores. You have to.

It brings it all. Okay. You should prepare for that. I would like to end this show. I'm pretty sure I've ruined my career on this podcast. Yeah. I mean, no one wants to hang out with you in a bookstore now. That's a fact.

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