The Vergecast - Netflix Bedtime

Episode Date: April 3, 2015

What ever happened to predictability? Well, we're throwing it out the window today, as special guests Liz Lopatto and Kwame Opam join Nilay and Sam, with a very special crossover cameo at the top of the show. It's a rare condition, this day and age, to read any good news on the newspaper page, so it's a mixed bag of topics this week. We've got Furious 7, Microsoft's newest Surface, the ongoing Californian drought, Amazon Dash and Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool. Only time will tell if all these dreams fit under one umbrella, but we hope you enjoy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello and welcome to the Vergecast. Oh man. A show about the verge and podcasting. I really thought you're going to say a show about nothing and I was about to like. No. No. We look, we wait till the tired jokes get so tired and then we bring them back. We don't just let them be tired.

But hello, welcome to the Vergecast. It is today April 2nd, which is my mother's birthday. Happy birthday. So she doesn't listen to the show, but I want her to know that she's cool. Okay. I will call her eventually, presumably after the show's typing. But this is the week of March 30th, so it's very confusing. April 2nd today, but March 30th.

People want the date. I don't want the date. But this is the Vergecast, the show where we talk about The Verge. Today is a very special and strange episode. I'm very excited about what's happening in this episode. I would go so far as to say there's a revolution in the air. So I am Nealai Patel. I am joined by...

I'm Liz Lapato. I'm the science editor. Yes. And I'm in town from San Francisco. Liz is visiting us. So I, I know, I blew up everything. Beautiful thing.

And then to my left. I am Kwame Opum. I'm a news editor at The Verge. Yeah. And I'm based in New York. Yeah. We're going to have Kwame in the show more often, I think.

I hope so. That's a feeling I have. But the revolution. There's a revolution. Sam Schaeffer is in the studio right now, but he's just Snapchating with a selfie stick. The Revolution. He's periscoping with a selfie stick.

He's not in the hype desk. in the hype desk. Hi, I'm Becky. Hey, Becky. Becky Rosefeld is our office manager who was just sitting in that chair before we started filming and I insisted that she hype

check our topics on the verge cast. She's super hype guys. It's intense. I'm only here for the signage. You're only here for the her swagasy sign. So Becky has a gun. It's gone great. Yeah?

What do you, you observe the verge at a distance most days. I try and stay as, far distant as I can. Thanks. You're welcome. You're really great. You're welcome.

Yeah. I haven't said thank you. I assume it's coming. So tell me what's going on with you today. You're saying you're trying to get people's attention over email. I'm just, we have this whole list here. We've got to do the Surface 3.

We've got to talk about Fast and Furious. I'm sure Liz is going to educate us about the California situation with the water restriction. It just says Ryan Reynolds here. There's like actually not, it doesn't say anything else. So I'm assuming. Deadpool. You lie.

I get it. Sam, you know, Sam's doing his thing. There's all kinds of stuff to talk about. But Becky, I want to know what's going on with you. I mean, we're having a similar drought in the office, just like California. A drought is what? Would you say you're thirsty? Extremely thirsty.

We are missing cups to hold water and people are just like sticking their head under the sink to just get every last. No, that's not really true. But it's a nice visual, right? Yeah. Yeah. No, thirsty people in the office. There's two people in the office and, you know, they only have beer to drink and they complain about that. Would you describe any of them as randos?

Some of them, for sure. Some of them just walk in and I don't know who they are. And it turned out they're like, you know, visiting editors from like San Francisco. And like, I just never know. I will say Liz is just like, she's appeared as a force in the office. And I was like, that's Liz. Don't write anything about cell phones and answer. She'll kill you.

It's been great. Um, no, so we have this list. So it appears from what I'm told, Liz, you've never seen a fast and furious movie. I have never seen one. Have you ever seen a fast and furious movie? I've seen plenty of advertisements for them. Oh my God. So this is, here it is.

So the hype desk, here's what you do in the hype desk. Okay. I say to you, this is the first time I've ever been able to like truly control this situation. I'm so excited about it. I say hype check blank. And then you hopefully provide a hype number. and then explain the hype number. Okay.

No one has ever actually done that, but that is my dream. Okay, I'm going to do it like at least once for you. Okay, so hype check, fast and furious. Okay, I'm going to give it like a six out of ten because they keep the same font that looks like it's from the 90s on all the covers. Oh, wow. Accurate, but that's it? Harsh.

Is that totally true? That's all that comes to mind. It does have that like silver gradient going on. It looks like it came from like Microsoft Word, you know, those things to jazz up letters. It's really awful, but it was slanted at like a 30 degree angle and super edgy and has a drop shadow that is pre-photoshop drop shadows. And it does have that silver gradient. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty. But you have, other than that, no. I don't really, it's about cars and about going fast and, you know, that's, that's fine. Do you, would you say that you live your life

one quarter mile at a time? I would say it's probably more like a third of a mile. I'm into odd numbers. So, okay. What? Well, If you could hype check one thing today here on the show before, because we, you know, I do need to get Sam's thoughts on Fast and Furious because I know he's got, he's got a lot to say. If you, if you could hype check one thing on the show right now, what would you hype check? About the things listed? No, just whatever. Just in life.

In life? Yeah. Let's talk about keyboards. Could we talk about Apple keyboard versus PC keyboard? Yeah, do it. Oh, PC keyboards all the way. Whoa. I know.

I know. Why? You get a lot more satisfaction from clicking down a little bit further on each of those buttons. Oh, you mean like old, like mechanical PC keyboards? No, no, no. Like on the laptop. What laptop do you have? I should have asked you this question from the start.

What laptop do you have? Are you kidding for this show? That's what we should do with Randos and the hype site. I just ask them what they have. It's an HP from like late 2011. And you're saying the keyboard is more satisfying. Oh, yeah. What kind of phone do you have?

I have an HDC 1 Mini. Whoa. Whoa. I like how Sam is so loud we can hear him anyway. Sam doesn't need a microphone at all. He just hype check the hype desk. Today I was using Siri from across the office and it just picked you up. You were just talking about Snapchat or whatever the hell you talk about.

Siri's like, super confused. Can we talk about how mailboxes work? Because apparently... Wait, we can, but just do it with me in this format. You got it. Hype check mailboxes. Mailboxes. nine.

Wait, do you mean mailboxes the app or email boxes or physical mailboxes? USPS corner of the block. Wow. Blue mailboxes. Okay. Do you know how they work? No. Can you explain to me what you would do with a mailbox?

I feel like you're really turning this on me in a really aggressive way right now. I'm sorry. Well, she did exactly what you wanted. I would care for it. You would care for it? I would. How would you interact with it on a casual base? What do you mean?

You know, if you were like, oh, you know what, I kind of like dropped my rent off. What would you do? I would walk up to the mailbox. Open it, insert an envelope, say, thank you. 10. Hype 10. Hype 10. What's the story here?

Sam doesn't know how to use your mailbox. That's the story, isn't it? That's the story. That's the whole story. I don't think I've ever dropped. Okay. Okay, here. Can you say the one thing that you need to say to make fun of Sam and then I want Sam to tell me the story?

Oh, just Sam doesn't know how to use a mailbox. That's all I really wanted to get out there. Okay. Can we swap? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much. Hipp check. Well, one more thing before you go.

Yeah. Do whatever you want. Open hype. It's open hype. It's open hype. It's open hype. Sam's a selfie stick. I give it a two.

I was going to give it like a four. That's really generous. The Verge. Just because he's not using it for selfie. The Vergecast audience is going to love the fact that you remain most most rigorously devoted to the 10 point rating scale because you don't even know how contentious those 10 points are. And actually, I will continue talking about this as you guys make this move. The verge rating scale is not 10 points. It is 100 points. Oh, I've been giving everything really low

scores. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Well, yeah. No, but no, it's because it's 0.0 to 100. Which means it's effectively 100 points. Right. Which I think is insane, but also wonderful. Makes the review process really powerful. What is the difference between a 7.7.7. and 7.8. I could not tell you. A tenth of a point. Yeah. Okay.

Thanks. But in practice, what does that mean? I don't know. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows what that means? Okay.

Thank you, Becky. Bye, Becky. We're going to do, we're going to get into some real talk now, Sam. Sam, are you still periscoping? Hell yeah. Do you understand that you are now competing with our own live stream? You're diluting the stream right now.

You're diluting the stream. Okay. Sammy. Bye. Hey, buddy. Hey, I missed you. Welcome bored. Hey.

I got to say you bring a palpably different energy to the show. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Mostly in the sense that you want to be here and have not been forced to participate. So, you know, doing what I can. Oh, there we go. I'm like in and out with audio. We got to get some news.

Yeah. Enough of this. I check mailbox. Can you tell me the mailbox story? I just, I wasn't really, hold on. Let me just fix my periscope. Oh, my God. I wasn't, I wasn't really 100% certain on how mailboxes, like, work.

Because you see mailboxes a lot, and I feel like a lot of them don't open. The green ones don't open. The green ones don't open. The green ones are like where, yes, I understand your confusion. So the blue ones you open, you put stuff in. Yes. The green ones are like for a mysterious network of like male carriers who've been operating since. I grew up in suburb, New Jersey.

And like there were no, none of those blue mailboxes in like the towns and developments that I lived in. That sounds like a real. sad place. I mean, I grew up in Iowa, and we definitely had mailboxes. I mean, if you think about it, though, like, if you've seen the Sopranos, like, they never depended on mailboxes and they lived in mansions, so. Well, I'm sure they had their own private network of careers. Sure. You know, like you do.

Yeah. The mafia has that sort of thing. Oh, the mafia does not exist. Yeah. The mafia uses the green boxes. You don't talk about mafia. If actually, if anybody could tell me what the green boxes are for? I can do this, actually. Oh, hey. This show is just wild. We are not talking about news at all. There we are. So my understanding is that like for for mail carriers, they, um, they have the boxes to pick up mail after they've delivered some mail so that you don't have to carry everything around with you on your entire route because that would be very heavy.

Yeah. Okay. Fine. Are you just casually eating her? She kisses? Yeah. I haven't eaten off today. There's my little snack.

It's making for really great audio, I'm sure. Oh, I'm doing on purpose. Right now, John is crying. So are we. All right, all right. Let's do it. So we got to start with the news. John, we need the show is really starting sound.

Think about it. Like a local news like, but it right now. Right, I could just clap. Look for the waveform on your local podcast player of me clapping. That's when the news begins. That what I'm going to do.

Okay. 499. Surface 3. The surface, man, the surface is, the surface is one of those products where I'm always, pleased that it exists, but I would probably never buy one, especially with a Surface 3 Pro.

So I have a Surface 3 Pro. It's fine. Everything about it is too small for what I want it to be. Really, I'm just casually eating Hershey kisses. Casually. I'm just like I'm doing. It's this thing. But like, it's one of those things where it's like

it's reasonably priced. I do happen to like Windows 8.1 not as much as anything I would actually use on a regular basis, but I dual booted on my MacBook, whatever. The MacBook, whatever. It's a MacBook Pro. Now, here's what I know. From now on, if you dual boot a MacBook in the Windows,

it is known as a MacBook, whatever. Okay, so you run 8.1 right now. Yeah. And I like it. I use a great, it's great for just running games and just having around, but as far as having a surface, it's always something that I will talk to my old roommate

about it because he's a hyper, Microsoft Windows fanboy and be like yeah I'm gonna buy the surface he never did he never will and it's like there's no reason to right now so here's this thing so the let's do some history sure so there was

the original surface which was a disaster Surface RT right there was a Surface Pro and the Surface RT yeah those products were disasters yeah there was the surface two which was basically an RT thing

then there then all of that like stopped and there's a Surface Pro 3. Right. The Surface Pro 3 is basically a laptop without a hinge, right? Like it has a powerful laptop processor as a core processor. It has a big, you know, like a bigger screen that has high resolution. I mean, it's a laptop.

And then there's this thing, which is runs an atom processor. Right. It's still running full Windows. When we saw it, they demoed apps to us, including iTunes and Chrome, not Windows and Windows applications. Because they were like eager to be like, you can run with every one. Yeah. And I was like, but who wants to run iTunes?

And they just, there was sadness in their eyes. Just like, yes, the people who buy a $500 laptop run iTunes. iTunes people I call them. Oh, man. Although I will say this. What do you use for music? Spotify mostly. Spotify.

Spotify. Spotify is a garbage. Yeah. Wait, what? Yeah. Spotify. Spotify is. it's like it's um it's the walmart of streaming process it's more like the the the the peak

catholic empire of music services right it's so religious it doesn't know how it's Catholic empire yeah right it doesn't know that it's about to fall apart right well so here's like it doesn't know that martin luther is like wandering the town with the 95 feces and that you know like i don't know that doesn't make any sense no especially but it's like the hubris of the empire right right and it's all about to fall apart all because they won't make like one change well so here is my problem with Spotify that I have noticed lately. And it's possibly because my phone is old. I use an iPhone 4. Yeah, there's your problem. But so every time I've gone underground and come back up, like every time I've gone out of

cell service, I have to reload the app. Yes, that happens to me too. It's really stupid. Yeah, like when I leave the building here, I go in the elevator and then immediately jump it to Spotify because I'm about to be in the subway. And it just is like, no, I'm not going to ever load for you and then I either jump on airplane mode and then reboot the app. That is that, yeah. I don't really have that problem on Android, but it is, it has a terrible UI, just like in general. Right. No, it's a mess. Like, Apple's going to show up with beats music and they're going to do all the business model stuff they need to do to make these success. But they're going to have the UI. And all of the people running iTunes on their $500 Windows PCs are just going to upgrade. And Apple will like sweep them away because spot up.

doesn't make it easy to go away from iTunes. Like, there's, like, a story to be written in the fact that if Spotify would just sell music on top of the streaming, so you pay them eight bucks a month or whatever it is, and then when Beyonce wants to sell her new record, they're just like, Beyonce's new record is that? Would you like to buy it for $10? If Spotify just turn on that one. You could just download the songs onto your device. Where?

From when? On, you could just, like, hit offline mode and then the songs download to your device. And then they're on your- But what's the difference between- So they're not getting the music right now. Because you have like an exclusive deal with iTunes where Beyonce released the original album in 2013. It was exclusive for however long. Oh, you're saying because iTunes has, have those artists.

This is why my comparison was to religions and not like nation states. Spotify is religious about its business model. Yeah. To its extreme detriment, right? Like if they would just stop being like, everyone should stream everything. Yeah, but it would be like mostly we provide us streaming for the long tail. And then when Taylor Swift wants to show up and release an album, we let people pick the button in, and integrate. it and that means like we can move over your iTunes library more effectively because we can

just match your purchases or whatever they would be more successful but instead they have like religion and they have like this decaying empire cathedral of an app that's like so do you so terrible do you think I'm really pushing this religion metaphor do you think that hi I'm Neilie Patel and I'm talking about religion on the internet I welcome your emails and tweets do you think Nilai that um beats music will be comparable to Spotify streaming because I don't have an iTunes library I ditch that model years ago. I couldn't keep up with it anymore. And now everything I do is I stream everything for the most part. And if I want to listen to an album, I will just download it for offline because I use the subway twice a day and it works fine. And then I have like my starred playlist that I also, you know, like my favorite songs.

But presumably what we're here to talk about is like this is a service three conversation. But the most important thing. Yeah, we got really awesome. No, the most interesting is being about our meeting with Microsoft when they were showing this thing to us was it just kept on bringing up iTunes. They brought up like five times this meeting to prove that it was like a real computer. Because what you really want to do with your computer, if you're spending it, because this is targeted very directly at like students and families and like a second computer for people who have real computers, right? And they were like, the thing you want to do on that kind of device is run iTunes. And they just kept saying it.

And we got all the way to point where like, are you going to put iTunes in a commercial? and they're like, well, it's probably one step too far. Right? But it's like a nice computer, right? Like, I still have problems with the idea that it's not a laptop. Sure. Like, that is still confusing. It still wants to be a laptop, even though it isn't.

In your heart of hearts, you want to be a laptop. So I'm just going to say this. I don't understand tablets at all, at all. Just because, like, the way that I tend to use the internet involves, like, you know, typing. Liz, can you just tell the audience what kind of keyboard

you use? Oh, man. Oh, my God. Are you guys going to like cyber bully me here? We need to contextualize your, you know, your view on these machines.

Corporate Sam makes an appearance. I'd like to really contextualize. That's the ill dots right there. Yeah. So I actually have an external keyboard that I usually use, like, split. Yeah. Oh, you have an ergo keyboard. Yeah.

It's nuts. It's, well, it's, It's ergonomic and it doesn't hurt my hands, which is what I care about. It's like a baby transformer on her desk. Right. I mean, I just, you know. And you travel with it. I travel with it.

I brought it to CES and then everybody made fun of me. No, I don't think. You're an IRL bully. No, I don't think. I don't think we're like all on the verge of corporal tunnel. Yeah. So it's like, it's good to have. I see what you do there, Kwame.

No, I don't think we're making fun of you, Liz, per se. I was, I'm just like shocked that like there, you use one of those, you know? Like, I don't think I've ever seen one of those in person. For real. Check ergonomic keyboards. 10 out of 10. Easily. We're all going to be so, I mean, I, I have, like, pains in my thumbs now, even, because I've been using an iPhone since 2007. I've been typing on keyboards forever and laptop forever. Like, you have pains in your thumbs? Yeah. Yeah, for real. It's, like,

already starting, and I'm 24 years old. You know, so it's for real. I believe you. I believe that you are not over exaggerating the pains in your thumbs. What were you going to say? No, this point that was making my tablets, which is I, there are days when I barely sit down at my desk at work and I just run her all over the office in the meetings. And it feels like I'm doing all of my work from my phone. Right? Like everything that I'm communicating and I can communicate fairly well, not as well as I'd like to. But I can communicate with everybody I need to even as I run around from my phone.

It would never even occur to me to try to do that with a tablet anymore. Why? because it's a completely different use case now. Because of the size, because you have to like... Holy separate device that you need to use completely differently, and you can you only use a two hands, and you may or may not actually have a cell signal on it. You don't want hand the plus.

All the time. Yeah? Yeah. It's not great, but I do it all the time. Fair. I mean, I actually use that double tap to bring the screen down, reachability, whatever it's called. I use it all the time.

Wow. Um, yeah, it's great. I mean, like, all I'm saying is I wouldn't run around the office with an iPad. It just wouldn't occur to me to do that. It would, I would feel like a moron. Like, I would rather, if I'm going to do that, I might as well carry my MacBook. I mean, like the use case for the iPad to me seems like gaming. And Netflix bedtime. Yeah. Netflix bedtime. Yeah. Netflix bedtime is like a children's book. Like Sam Schiffer. Uh, good night, Netflix. Wait, just one more. It's, it's like a book that turns its pages in a circle. It never ends because you just. Watch one never mind. I'm sorry. Eli has ideas about circles. Can you imagine if it was like a troll children's book called Good Night Netflix and you kept on trying to say good night to it but it kept on showing you one more page. It would be great. No, so the thing that's like a Surface 3, it's like Microsoft can't make a laptop because

I'll piss everybody off. Yeah. So they have to keep making this tablet and like what I really want is like the canonical Microsoft laptop. Will it happen? Microsoft make the best laptop. Just do it. Will you ever be able to buy a like a Windows

laptop made by Microsoft hardware? They own Nokia now, right? They could bang one of those out if they wanted to. Yeah. Although Nokia is making like a weird

like Android thing now, right? Aren't they? They're making the tablet, the one that looks exactly like an iPad mini. Yeah. I mean, Google.

It's like babies first thing. It's frankly depressing. Google is making excellent Chromebooks now. They're doing it. And there's plenty of OEMs that are doing it too. And it's kind of just sad that Microsoft hasn't just realized like, hey, we make the operating system. We should also make the hardware.

They can. They own Nokia. Do it. Microsoft. Just do it. Anyway, it's fine. The service three is fine. Yeah.

It'll come out. Hype check surface three. I've, like, six, maybe five or six. With Windows 10 around the corner, sure. Yeah, sure. I'll add some points. We're really leaning hard in numbers. Hype check numbers.

Yeah, it feels good. See, I knew it. It works. It's fine. It'll come back. Okay. Moving. Moving along.

Here's the next situation. Mom, I'm going to lean hard on you for this. Tell me about Vin Diesel. About Van Diesel? He's a big guy. He has a lot of feelings. He... He...

He... He's really into D&D, which we'll get into in a second. What? And he's deeply about family. And, you know, down T-R-R-R-7, which we tried to talk about with Becky. Yeah, she was not doing that work.

She's not having it with us. Didn't we, didn't we do a video that was a quick recap of Fast and Furious for those of us like me who have never seen one? I don't think that you can call it that thing quick. A recap or a video. It was like 10 minutes in Toronto's mind.

It was, it is one of the craziest. like I love Fast and Furious. If you are aware of the verge, you know that many of the staff members past and present, deeply love Fast and Furious. At this point, future, I would guess.

If we have a worker, you have to like that series. We have five open job listings right now. One of them is for a science reporter. If there are any people who are into science listening. I'm sorry, it's Phil's voice on the thing, not Rhonda's.

I thought it was Rondo's voice in Phil's edit. Oh, I see. It's a combination of Phil's, insanity mind and Rondo's insanity voice. Yes. Okay. Well, all that said. If someone's listening to this, go on our YouTube channel and find it. It's one of the most recent videos we published.

Watch it sit there for 10 minutes and just laugh your ass off. It is bonkers. It is incredible. But so here's, so one of our positions is for a science center. And I know that if you apply to that job and you just fill in most of the fields with references to Fast and Furious, probably get a callback.

I'm not saying it'll go well. I'm not saying that like you're going to get a job. That's going to happen now. I'm just saying if you want to talk to Chris Sigler, that's a great way to get your name in the door. So yeah, Creight and our old video producer and Chris have a Fast and Furious fan podcast called The Fastcast. This is

no joke. Which they've never invited me on because I think that my skepticism about Fast 6 really through them. Yeah, I'm sure that's why. Whoa. Hey. You know, Liz?

Let's talk about some tropes. Terrible. Terrible thing to say. But so, Liz, you've never seen one of these movies. I have never seen one. Did you watch this video, the 10-minute video? I watched part of it, and then I had to come down here. So I was trying to catch up.

I was trying to catch up, because I knew we were going to be talking about it, and I wanted to be able to say something other than that the Rock is entirely charming, and I... The Rock is entirely charming. Yeah. Not Vin. Vin's whatever. Whoa.

Yeah. No, I mean, the Rock is, like, to me, like, he's like... I'm consistently surprised by this. He's like, he's kind of like a rock. Rottweiler who really, really wants to be like a chihuahua and sit in your lap, but is a Rottweiler and like doesn't understand that he's 90 pounds and like won't fit. The rock is a monster. Yeah, actually.

Have you ever seen that picture of what the rock used to look like? Yes. Yeah. Have you seen the, the, uh, the cheat day that he had that one time? No. He ate like, like two trays of brownies, like four trays of pasta, a pizza pie and like all this other crap. And he still looks diesel as hell.

I want to, can we rewind into calling it a pizza pie? It's a pizza pie. A pie of pizza. That sounds amazing. You know, so we are actually, so here's a fun thing about Fury 7. We can get into a little bit. Call me, I think you should try to recap the Fast series to plays. I think that's a game I'd like to play.

Good Lord. I'm prepared to smell what the rock is cooking. Oh my God. We're done. Flip all tables will eat forever. Well, this is effectively straight from Chris because I've seen only the first one in entirety. And through osmosis, I'll absorb my knowledge of the fast series through Chris because he sits right behind me.

I will say this. We launched a transportation session on Monday, April 1, which was actually yesterday. It was not Monday. Yesterday was Thursday, April 1st. It was not an April Fool's joke. A lot of people on social thought that our transportation hub was a joke. And everyone was like, yeah. It's saying she got the dates wrong.

Yesterday was Wednesday, April 1st. Oh, today's Thursday. We're all... How are you doing, we're all drunk. Okay. Anyway, a lot of people thought it was April Fool's Jug,

but it's not. We're doing car coverage for real. And I just can't imagine a better gift to Chris on the launch of his car section than a new furious movie. Right. But he's so mad about it because it's apparently bad.

The thing is, it has like an 82% on Rotten Tomatoes right now. Partly on the strength of like, like Paul Walker passing away and people are like, yeah, This is like a legitimate tribute to this character and this person and the fact that it's just balls out insane. I think the idea of a legitimate tribute to a character in a movie where the characters basically have no emotions, except that's my family. That should explode and I'm going to kill you.

That's a good emotions. That's it. I feel like that's all they feel. The fast movies, though. Yeah. Also, we should go really fast. Furiously. Furiously.

So here, I'll tell you, we can move on. this, but I will tell, here's a thing that's happened for real, for real, for real. Tomorrow, we are going to aloft, the fact and Greenpoint, where there will be a $50,000 media streamer, where we are going to rent for a portion of our staff, Furious 7, for 24 hours, for $500. It is probably the most decadently rich thing. We're going to write about it, of course. Oh, yeah.

But I'm very excited about this adventure we're going to take. It's going to be fun. It's going to be something. And it's going to get weird. Yeah, I'm coming. Yeah. And you're like going out to see Bjork. Oh, no, I saw Bjork yesterday.

You saw Bjork yesterday? Oh, yeah. How was Bjork? Wait, tell me all about that. Oh, God, amazing. So it was a two-hour show. It was at New York City Center. And the first hour is her new album, which is a breakup album about her relationship with Matthew Barney.

And then the second half of the show was sort of deep cuts and really, really fun. It was a little disjointed. The second half, the first half was. super powerful. But as somebody who's into really gross animals, there was this amazing video of slug sex during one of the songs.

That sounds like a Bjork show. Yeah. I was into it. But yeah, if you have a chance to see Bjork Live, you should definitely do it. She's really something to see live. Like, seriously. I wish I could just be that professionally weird. Right? That's her move, right?

She pretty much... Yeah, I'd say she probably like invented that particular strain of like artistic weirdness and I kind of love it because everyone kind like you can say Madonna is weird in her way and lady lady dog is like weird in her way previously apart from the whole 20 Ben stuff sure but yeah biorc is weird dude and like she got in the moma like it's great yeah I mean I saw the moma show too while I was here and I was a little underwhelmed by it I mean I read emily's review before I went in so I kind of knew what I was in for but it felt like it was much more of an audio show than a visual show, which was a little bit of a bummer. I mean, I could have

kind of listened to that as a podcast at home, you know what I mean? Right. But one of the things that's really remarkable, like she has such a visual aesthetic in terms of dress that's really crazy. Right. And so seeing those costumes up close was remarkable, in part because, like, you get a sense of, like, you can't put your hands down in some of these dresses. Like, you can't put your hands by your side because there's so much going on. And that was a thing that I saw the show. So much like foam and lace and stuff. It's crazy.

It's crazy. And that was like at the show. She was like her last costume. She did three costume changes. And the one for the encore was this enormous, puffy yellow thing with long strings hanging down. And she spent a bunch of time twirling, which rightly so. But yes. Right.

Rightly so. Well, you know, if you have fun things to twirl with, why wouldn't you twirl? do I agree I mean Where'd you see the show Liz? I'm an intenarate twirler At New York City Center

Itinerant twirler I don't know what that means It's just sounded good I go from place to place twirling Like a whirling dervish Like Yeah I'm a whirling dervish

Neely is a whirling dervish Oh you know we need to talk about What let's do Let's do We got to make some money Oh man And then Hold on I got to do some stuff

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Okay. I'm not going to move. Okay. So March 31st, the day before. What? It was a rainy night on March 31st, 2015. So the day before April Fool's, Amazon announced these buttons. They're called, it's Amazon Dash.

Yes. And they partnered with 20 different manufacturers to make this little button that you could stick on places. So there's one for, let's say, Tide. So when you run out of Tide. when you're doing your laundry, you literally push that button and it just, one will show up at your house two days later. It is connected to your Amazon account and you can only, like, each, each dash is connected to one specific product. So shampoo, it's mostly things in your house too. You can't, like, order a laptop from it yet. But I thought it was a joke at first.

And they've got 20 partners, like I said. And a lot of people on the internet seem to be into them. I'm super into them. Because it's like. There's a whole bad. Back-end service called the Dash Replenishment Service. Is there really? Yeah, there's a coffee maker, like, there's a coffee maker, like Quirky put out a coffee maker alongside it, and the hopper for the beans has the button on it. Wow. So as your beans go and push the button and the beans show up?

I think... Look, have you thought about what it's like to push a button and then have beans show up at your house? I just... Jetson-level craziness right there. I think the idea in theory is good, excuse me, but it needs to be delivered instantly for that to have real... I agree with that.

You press a button and it's like, oh, well, two days later, like you're going to forget that that package is showing up. Disagree. You disagree. I completely disagree also, actually. I completely agree. Wait, wait, who, what are we agreeing with? Type check, hype check dash buttons.

Eight out of ten. Eight, that's a high. Yeah, it's an interesting. But you disagree with the premise that it's cool. It would be cool. It would be very cool if they had one hour delivery for that thing. Objective hype check Amazon. Dash buttons.

Well, for like normal humans, probably like six or seven. Okay. And then Sam, subjective Sam. I mean subjective Sam, corporate Sam, future Sam, present Sam. There's a lot of you. You contain multitudes. I'm a Gemini. Astrology, religion.

I'm playing to The Verge casting today. Oh, man. No. It got intense. This is Sam Shepard. He just conflated astrology and religion. Look. All I'm saying is that.

His email address is Sam at the verge. all I'm saying is that when you when a human pushes a button today there's like this this thing in your brain that wants a reaction right away right if you push this button does it make noise does it tell you is there an indicator saying when your package is going to arrive it's like boom okay that's it done like that the satisfaction is yeah I think the question of like how do you stop like children from just being it yeah so you know what a good prank would be would just be go somebody's house and like press that so I button over and over like a thanksgiving just In the piece, it says that it's got some sort of software to prevent that from happening.

I just feel like is there a visual or audio queue that confirms that your order actually went through? Like, you, I think, Nilai, you tweeted this. It's like the perfect, and I can't believe I'm going to say this in real life, but it's the perfect internet of things. It is a single best internet of things thing to ever exist. Yeah. Yeah.

Right? It's like it, it's like a connected little shopping button thing that knows when you're out. No, it's a product that like didn't. not there everyone has always talked about things like this like the connected fridge is one of these things where it's like it knows you're running out of milk and then like milk shows up right or something happens right but that is so much more complicated than i see that i'm running out of paper towel and push a button yeah i think you just mind i think you couldn't even help it that was like a totally like i was like there's somebody behind us what are we pointing at i

I just think it would work if it had one hour prime shipping and there was a visual cue. And you also have to like be conscious. Like, Neelai, you just said like, you see that you're running out of something. Like what happens if you're pouring your tide into the cup and it's like it runs out right then and there? I think it's like the three times before that you picked up the thing and you were like, ha, this is pretty light. And then it's like, boom, press one. Yeah. So it's cool.

The reason I like it is because I have this problem where I don't necessarily think about things unless they're actually happening. Right. So, like, if I'm picking up, like, my laundry detergent and I'm like, oh, this is light, you know, I'll think about it for that five minutes or so. And if I don't put it down on my list of things to do, like, buy more laundry detergent, I just forget. So in that sense, like, being able to do the instantaneous, like, ordering where you're

like, oh, yeah, I'm running low on toilet paper. That, to me would be helpful. Right. Because if you're out of toilet paper and then you're out of toilet paper, that bond won't do you a damn thing. No, you're going to have to go to the store. or like a pleb. Yes.

Well, the thing that makes the I screwed that up. Yeah. I waited too on. Yes. The thing that makes me. That's where one hour

Prime shipping also won't help you. Oh man. You're like, I'm in here. I'm in here for an hour. Just leave it and go. Just go. I paid for it with Prime. I wonder if that's actually happened.

Yeah. Where someone got stuck on the toilet and they ordered a toilet paper from their phone and it showed up. Probably has. If that is something you have done, please contact Sam at theverge.com. We want to hear your story. It's like building advanced semantic analysis to like prevent that from happening to their people.

Oh man. But like... It's another toilet paper guy. The thing that I think is powerful, like about two days versus like one hour is that if you're just not thinking about like what you've ordered, like if you want to order toilet paper, but you're like not quite out. yet, then you might think about it again, like, oh, I should have a toilet paper again. You'll order it again, and then you'll have, like, this surplus of toilet paper. That's something I would totally do versus if it were connected to my Prime Now account, then, okay, then I have like a thing of toilet paper that's ready for me in an hour's time. I don't have to think about it ever again until I run out. That's like, what is the saddest, like, nuclear fallout shelter? It's like empty racks of buttons. And it's like, oh, oh, should oppress these. Oh, man, we should write that story. We just take that picture We used to call it the Patel General store in my basement Because my dad would bulk buy everything

And then my sister and I'd come home from college Is that also an Indian thing? Because Bulk buying everything I think that's just a thing That's just a thing I think the fact that my first My last name was involved in the nickname

Like I'm sure there was the chef or general store Yeah kind of My dad couldn't resist it So when I remember my sister I came home from college We were like go shopping in the basement Like all the time And then he would And then we could have just been like boop

Like I took everything He was so happy about it My parents are those people who like If you if you go to their house And mildly enjoy anything they own Like four days later they've sent you on Oh man Like just that's like their move

And it's always like my dad Worked nights in the ER So you like stayed up He couldn't fall sleep So you'd like stay up and watch infomercials So like we had any number of like food dehydrators And like kitchen gadgets Did you have a sham wow?

Yes Did it work? Nice Right because think about this when I was grand, there was no internet, right? So my dad would just, like, not be able to fall asleep and you would watch intromat and he'd be like, that's a gadget. We can have that.

We can have that right now. And they'd like, it would show up. You'd like, let's, everyone is eating dried apples for a month. And we would, like, seriously, I'd come in a room college. We bought this juicer and you'd like, try the juice. And you'd have to be like, yes, it's pretty fun. It's great. Good.

And then it'd be like three days later, like in my dorm, like a huge juicer box would show up. Oh, no. You need this. Yeah. You need this in your life. You said you like the juice, though. I bought you a juicer. I live in 20 square feet in Chicago.

Like, what do you want me to... Well, drink juice, obviously. My dad and I have word conversations. Dash buttons. Hype check. Final hype check. Yeah, I'll give them a seven. All right.

All right, Liz, we've got to talk about some science stuff. You're here. I am here. So, um, uh, one of the things that's going on in California, uh, is a tremendous drought, um, which, you know, historic. It's huge. How bad is it? It's pretty bad.

I mean, we have like about a year of water left in our reserves. I don't know if you saw that in the LA Times. In California or? In California. In California. And like in places in the Central Valley, they're pulling up water from well so fast that the land is sinking. Oh. And one of the things that's like exciting about this is, you know, that the government is acknowledging that there's a problem.

But about 80% of the water use is actually by agriculture. And that's not affected by, um, it's. not affected by these restrictions, basically. You know, I mean, it's great. I've been taking drought showers for a while, so I'm usually in the shower for about three minutes, maybe, maybe five. This is a conscious thing that you do, right? This is not a, like...

Oh, yeah, I mean, I'm a crazy environmentalist. I think that those, that it's important to conserve water, you know? Right, sure. This is just something that I have been doing for, like, the last year or so. And California State has recently regulated water usage, right? That's right. like a $500 fine if you go over. Yeah, it's pretty serious.

But again, this doesn't affect agriculture. And like 10% of the water usage is just almonds, by the way. So like maybe stop buying almond milk because you were destroying California. Wait, what? Yeah, did you not know this? Almonds require a lot of water. There were a bunch of pieces what last year about like how unsustainable almond agriculture is.

Yeah. It's a problem. It is a huge problem. Let's walk me through the problem. Let's just back it up. Almonds are bad. Almonds are bad. Yeah.

Because. Well, so, because they suck up so much water and they're being grown in a place where there isn't a lot of water. I mean, that's mainly it. Like, you know, they're good for you in terms of, like, food. They're perfectly good sources of protein. They're delicious on salads. But, like, you know, the way that we're producing them and the way that we're using them isn't sustainable. Crazy.

How does one sustain an almond? That's a good question. And the word sustainable in that context in particular is, like, what, what, did you, like, put the album. Like, oh, I got, I've thrown back on the ground. But, I mean, they just require a lot more water than we have, you know. And so, like, all of these things with, like, almond milk, that's, like, kind of a trend now where people are like, oh, dairy is bad for you. Which, well, that's a whole separate thing. But, you know, like, people are moving towards almonds.

I've never seen three people just, like, basically, like, opinions. The almond milk is, but opinions. They're out there everywhere. Let's move on. No. Okay. So, so California is not running out of. water.

Nathan Secker just tweeted an incredible picture of you. Oh no. Wait, no, Liz. I want you to talk about this water. Talk about why they're out of water. Yeah, because this water situation doesn't only exist in California also, right?

It's kind of a... I mean, it's the West, generally. There hasn't been a whole lot of precipitation. There hasn't been a lot of snow. But they're also, like, part of what's going on is it's unusually hot also. It's a drought, like, for the last, what, a couple of years now? Several years, yeah.

I forget how many, how many years. But the actions that are, that the government is taking are meant to reduce water usage by about a quarter. You know, and Jerry Brown was basically on, standing on dry grass where there should have been snowpack. Really? Yeah. Wow. And again, it's because it's been hot. So, like, the snow has been melting.

You said Edmund Brown, not Jerry Brown. Well, Edmund is his real name. Oh, okay. And Jerry is his nickname. Whoa. Was there an older Jerry Brown? Am I crazy? This is the same one.

Yeah. Yeah, he was, he was the governor, like, I think he was like Governor Moonbeam in the 70s or whatever, and then came back. He's back. He's back. But so, so one of the things that's been going on is, like, people are starting to do things like, and there were reports in this last year, they're painting their dry grass green instead of watering it. Wow. We just talked about this, too. It's nuts.

It's nuts. And, like, another thing that I really like is that, you know, you see people using succulents as lawn rather than grass, because grass is actually an invasive species. Yeah. It was, it's brought over, I think, from England or Scotland. It was used initially as like a wealth signifier, basically. And now is just the standard. So that's another thing to think about if you are a crazy environmentalist. You know, if you are living in a place like California, maybe don't have grass.

Right. Yeah. That's wild. So as a Californian, you are now a proud Californian. I am a proud of California. What's your, what's your move? Are you cutting water in your daily life? Um, I mean, again, this is like some like dystopia stuff. Yeah, yeah. Well, so I'm trying to use as little as

possible. Um, but again, most of the water is being used by agriculture and that's like a whole separate process for regulation. So if you really wanted to cut into that, you would, you would need to um, basically work against agricultural lobbying groups, which are very powerful. Um, I mean, in Central Valley, I went to Joshua Tree before I came here. Um, and there are all these signs up that say stop the second dust bowl. The government caused the dust bowl. The government caused the dust blah blah blah blah blah blah and it's all like water usage stuff like this is this is big big politics and there's actually um if you know who uh william volman is um he is a writer a novelist he almost always writes at a thousand pages you don't have to read them all um but it's like a thousand

pages per book uh but he wrote this great book called imperial about california's imperial valley valley and water usage and it's like this amazing history of um the politics around water, which have been really incredible. Like a lot of water comes from Colorado. It's like brought in. And one of the things that was super crazy to me at CES coming from a place with drought

was seeing those water fountains in Vegas, which are like sort of signifiers of wealth. Yeah. You know, like we're so, we're so wealthy that we can just waste water on fountains. Well, Vegas is like blinkered and like bizarre in a whole host of ways. Right.

So, you know, It's one of those things where, like, you know, $500 a day fines are great, and they're a nice start for water consumption. Yeah. But if you're thinking about it in a long-term way, you need to be thinking about agriculture. You need to be thinking about wineries. You need to be thinking about the weed operations.

Both of those are huge. They use a lot of water. Right. And then, you know, things like almonds, things about a lot of produce comes from California, and there must be better ways to utilize water in agriculture. That's like one of those things where you're like, Silicon Valley talks about changing the world. But, yeah, I mean, that's a crazy thing to me. It's like the valley is there.

All this, all these tech companies are there. And then for there to be drought, like. Yeah, does Zuckerberg give a crap that there's a drought in his state? I mean, drought is like the oldest of like maladies. Yeah. Like literally. Yeah. It's absolutely biblical.

Why did people die before? Because drought. And they're like, but these cars drive themselves. They'll drive you to water. It's like totally crazy. Like all of the most advanced things and then the oldest problem we've ever had. Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, water is life, basically.

Like, there's no life without water. That's literally what we look for when we're looking for planets that could sustain life. One of the main things we're looking for is water. And if we don't have water, we don't have life. A lot of religious themes on the show today. I don't know why we've gotten there. I think that's a good time to turn to Deadpool. There was like no segue whatsoever.

John, do we have the sound of a segue crashing? The sound of like a drunk cop on a segue. Just like notering into a wall. Paul Blark. Yeah. Paul Blark. Yeah. Paul.

All right, Paul. John, look through the Paul Blart fully reel for the segue crash. That's not. Go ahead. Check that out for me, buddy. Um, what do you want to know? We have five minutes off in the show.

Five. minutes? God. I mean... Blown right by. Okay. That's what happens when when we start the show 10 minutes of rambling about nothing. Oh, Becky. No, she was great. She was great. Yeah. Okay, so Deadpool.

She's tweeting about mailboxes right now, by the way. Is she? Yep. All right. Yeah, tell me about Deadpool because I've only ever read Lady Deadpool. Like Mary H.K. Joy did a really awesome Lady Deadpool. That was really cool, but I'm not familiar with the original character.

Okay, so Deadpool is one of those characters who was created by esteemed sarcasm comic writer Rob Leifeld and he's a beloved character who like in the Marvel universe where it's like he'll break the fourth wall and he'll just like crack bizarre jokes he loves chimichangas and he'll kill everything so it's pretty great and people are really excited for the movie to come out next year and Ryan Reynolds is playing the character but he was Ryan Reynolds also played the character in that miserable Wolverine yeah like X-Men Origins of Wolverine came out in 2009, and they destroyed that character. Yeah.

But Ryan Reynolds was actually pretty good when he was actually, like, talking as Wade Williams. Ryan Reynolds is only, only good at talking. Yeah. Right? Like, I would watch a movie that was just, oh, my God, what's happening to me? Did you get Ryan? I figured out. It's, and just go with me on this.

It's just Ryan Reynolds, Robert Downey Jr. And Hugh Grant, just being charming. Actually, you know, I would watch that. I would watch that. If they don't go anywhere, they don't do anything. They just try to charm each other a little bit. Yeah, no, I would totally watch that.

Totally watch that movie. I would totally watch that. Yeah. It's different style of charm. Like, yeah, all the way around. And it's like on the snark meter. Yeah. Like, you know, like you definitely would like take Hugh Grant.

No, like Hugh Grant is like a man without snark. Like he's very dry and sarcastic. Yeah, yeah. But he's still like, you know, I'm a, I'm here for you. He's got floppy hair. He cares. He cares.

He cares. And then Robert Downey Jr. has like, there's a heart of gold in there. Yeah, but like post-drunk, like lots of drugs in the 90s. Right. But he's still, there's still a core. You can get it. Yeah.

Right. And Ron Reynolds's like, you're, you're just a D-bag. You're just a hundred percent going to do something. I don't know about all that. So, but that's not your scale? I like Ryan Reynolds. I mean. Like, I'm saying, but as not as, like, I don't know them as people.

I mean, in terms of the characters they always play. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he's... I can't say, I... I'm just going to say it, what women would you put in this movie? No, no, I'm saying it was just be the three of them being charming. Uh-huh. What?

The three of them talking very fast. That's it. That's the whole movie. I understand why you would ask me that question, and why you'd have asked it to me, but I'm saying a movie that was just the three of them talking very fast would be very entertaining. I mean, it would.

Yeah, that's it. Okay. I mean, if you would like to cast additional fast-talking people in this movie, you're more than what. come to. Oh, man. You know, I feel like who would be really good is Reese Witherspoon when she's drunk and like back talking like the cop and like she's like the, the force that they have to

interact with and figure out how to charm. Yeah. Like Reese Witherspoon when she's not on. Like Reese Witherspoon when she like talking. Hung over Reese Witherspoon. Yeah. And like obviously like in the zone like there's like a there's a very like dry Tina Faye area.

Yeah. It could happen. Amy Polar just like comes in. For sure. Yeah. No, but like that that's all the wrong. mode. That's what I'm saying. They're not charming enough.

They're, they're, it's all, it's the wrong, it's not that like bitter, sarcastic. I'm talking over you, meta. So you're gonna go real raffalo maybe. Yeah, like that. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna go real weird here. Kristen Shawl. Oh, word, yeah. Yeah, like, because you don't know, like, she'll just come out you from like, like, left field.

Just be weird. Now, I'm with you. I don't know. Maybe this is like a personal thing. Like, that Christian Shaw is like she's on another place. planet. Yeah. There's like hilarious dispatches. This is like, I think all of their charm looks, it's all the same. Those three in particular, it's like they're there with you, but they're just talking,

they're always talking to another audience. They're constantly performing. Yeah, yeah. They're always on. I have a bunch of friends who are always on. They're exhausting people to hang out with. They sure are. But then I'm like, that was, huh, that was entertaining.

That was fun and now I need to go take a nap. Yeah, exactly. I'm just saying, it would be nothing. It would just be, and then they would, like, they would, like, hurt each other at the end. It would just be their inability to, like, be the most on. It would just, like, lead to Gore in some way. Gore?

Yeah, it would end in a violent confrontation. Not Al Gore. Oh, my God, this full house news. Yeah, that's what I was going to bring up before. Oh, man. Okay, you finished Deadpool, and then we have to do this. I'm not happy about this at all. Okay, can you just finish the Deadpool thing?

Okay, so Deadpool is coming out next February. Yeah. And there was a new trailer, April Fool's trailer where Ryan Reynolds is talking to Mario Lopez, who is like the biggest tool in the world. I'm not sure in real life because I don't know the guy. But Deadpool comes out of nowhere and just knocks him over and kills him and makes like this offhand reference to Save By the Bell. And it's amazing. Wow. Like it's on the site right now.

You need to watch it if you haven't watched it. Kristen Ritter. Ah, she's great. Yeah. That's one. Okay. I'll think of more. So I haven't seen this full house news.

Tell me about Full House. It's really depressing. Literally, there are no other tweets. All right. Ready? It's illegal to tweet about anything but this right now. Netflix may be reviving Full House as Fuller House. That sounds awful.

Beef or Bus Sam. Yeah, buddy. I will definitely give Full House beef. I grew up on that show, but this remake, how the hell can you remake Full House? Just leave it alone. I have a question for you. Can you name three other TGIF shows? Three.

What does that mean, TGIF shows? Wasn't Full House a TGIF show? No. No. What wasn't? What does that mean? It just came up during that time? Yeah.

What is a TGIF show? What? Like a show that you watch? ABC 7? What? Okay. So I just got something else wrong, but I'm happy for my ignorance of this. To me, Full House is wrapped up into an era of television that was defined by, like, was it,

was it Casey Werner Productions, and they produced every family sitcom on ABC. They did. What did they do? Step by step. Step by step. Yeah. Family Matters. Boy made.

World, right? And it was all of those shows. I did Sabrina too. Yeah, John knows the stuff cold. He's just, you're not even hearing him in the earphones right now. He's just screaming in the control room, the names of 80s and 90 shows. And Fullhouse, in my mind, is one of those shows, but it's not. Am I crazy? Yeah, so during, during this time when these TGIF, you know, shows were on, I was there watching Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network, watching shows like Rocket Power and SpongeBob. and a ton of others.

Hey Arnold and... Good shows. Yes. All the 90s people watching the show know exactly what I'm talking about. There's so many others. Johnny Bravo, Power Puff Girls. And then you got into like adult swim.

But yeah, I watched... No, I watched what the hell is it called, Full House on Nick at Night. That was like my thing. It was Cartoonerick and Nickelodeon growing up, not ABC. Or like the Disney Channel. Like a lot of people like closer my age, like watched the Disney Channel growing up.

really even remember Disney Channel like circa 97. I wasn't allowed to watch television. John, John, John, you're crazy. Full House was a TGIF show. I just Wikipedia did you, man. Full House started before TGIF and then it

rotated in the schedule with Family Matters, perfect strangers. We're in a deep, a deep hole. This is not a deep hole. This is like, you know, this was a thing. Like, in this moment in the 90s, like, networks would block their programming. So NBC had must see TV and ABC had TGIF.

And all of that stuff is coming back. Right? It's all being mined for nostalgia. So because they were blocked out and it would be like watch 10 shows on NBC on Thursday night, those shows are all together and they all share branding and they all have these like weird. They all have the same piece of like 30 somethings watched all of them. So on Thursday night it's like people of my generation. Because the idea you watch the first show and they want you to stay on the network.

See the ads and it's like just walk keep watching just hit the verge homepage there was no every story and then 10 years from now we'll just bring them all back Remember that story about the Amazon dash buttons now coming to Netflix? Although I feel like we one of the things we've learned from Facebook is that nostalgia is not always a good thing right? I mean yeah yeah yeah nicely done nicely done like a professional Liz two for two first she's cat making me cast women my Ryan Reynolds movie And now she's segling right into burning Facebook. It's not even like a hard burn, by the way.

But what? Burning Facebook? No, no. Burning Facebook right now is the easiest thing in the world. Everybody in the world right now has a bone to pick with Facebook. Oh, yeah. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, if you talk to media people, for example, Liz, this is a,

Liz and I have a favorite past time of talking to media people and then slacking each other about those conversations later. And I have a past time of spilling shit on quiet. So, like, media people are all terrified of Facebook because they're a looming, Monster. Regular people are mad because bad memories are now just automatically populating their timelines. Yeah. Moms everywhere are mad. Because they're learning how to use it. Snapchat's super mad because Facebook is thirsty.

How's Snapchat mad? Because they just came out with their third iteration of like their, what was the new Facebook app that's chasing? RIF. RIF. Yeah. RIF. And that's like the third iteration. Okay.

Oh, man. We're kind of out of time. They had a slingshot. Yep. And now they're trying RIF. Yeah. So whenever these apps come out, I have, like, all of my non-tech normal e-friends that just, like, see things on Facebook or, like, you know, are hip to this stuff in some way.

No one asked me about RIF. Like, that did not, that did not even make a ripple in the pond yesterday. It's like, we hit the news, all the tech outlets hit the news, and then no one gave a crap. I didn't even download it. Did anyone here download RIF? No. I'm not on Facebook. What is Riff?

Exactly, my point. I'm not on Facebook. I haven't been on Facebook since 2006. That's when I quit. Shrey, our video producer, also on Facebook. And today someone was showing him the, you know, the news where it's like old things are showing up and people are like, don't like it. And it's like just a lot of bad memories. And like literally his responsible is like, yes, that's Facebook for me.

Cold and personal and bad memories. Yeah. Yeah. I deleted my Facebook in college for a solid year and it was the best thing ever. get off Facebook. Do it now while you can. Quit Facebook. I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's great. That's like a recurring theme. If you follow me on Twitter is, is quit Facebook. Yeah. Sam, are you on Facebook right now?

I have to be because of work. Yeah. Kind of. I'm on Facebook just, just to, you know, check out old flames. Oh, dude. Are you? No. Which one of us is telling Becky about this. That's the real question. I think Becky is more interested in the travails of my old flames than anyone. She's very much like, oh, hmm, six babies now for that one. Mm. Yeah.

What? What does that mean? What just came out of your mouth? Six babies for that one? Is that a sentence? It's just like a joke. Are you terrified of babies? Because we left Midwest and lived in New York and we're like a, like a, you know,

like cynical childless couple. What? Oh, so she's going to punish you with children. What is this dual income? No kids? Dinks. Yeah. It's, you're yuppies of the finest sort.

Dix? Dix. Dix. Hibed check being good at acronyms. It sounded like you guys said Dix. I don't know. By the way, Sam. By the way, that's what you would title that Ryan Reynolds, too. That solves all my problems. Wait, by the way, on Doug, the dinks, the family, they were dual income, no children family. Oh, that's what they...

Right, right. Wow, you just blew my mind. It all becomes clear. By the Wikipedia page for TJF, just, it just, just read this. No, it's not an nostalgia. It's just like, you want to know why the TV industry, like, basically just like lost the internet. It's because for a while they tried to spin off TGIF, which thank God it's Friday, into I Love Saturday Night. And they never worked.

Because to get audience for who's the boss growing pains and perfect strangers, they're like, these shows suck now. I love Saturday. Yeah, I don't know. Everything, everything about TV is crazy to me. Yeah. TV is super weird. I would love to just have, spend an hour on a Vergecast talking about the cable industry and television right now. There's one other piece of news. Do you see it? The Apple thing where Apple wants people to pay for their own streams. Yes. Which is, I understand why they want to do it, but insanity. It'll happen. Apple will be able to do it. They're the richest company in the world. They're going to do it. Welcome to the I verge. Oh, God. I have called this Apple. I have called this Apple television thing for a while now. I don't remember the first time I ever started on the Verge. Gene Munster.

Well, no, no, no, I don't care about the television itself, but like the whole cable and shift to digital thing, I think what Apple did with iTunes, they're going to do with television in a similar way. I don't think they can do that. Okay, we'll see. There's the cable companies that still make, they have all of the money. Yep, they have too much power. It's one of those things, though. But like, as soon, the whole thing with HBO now. Yeah.

That's the, that's the, that's the crack in the ice. I feel like that's the first step to something, like, really happening because they got that. Yes. exclusivity deal, even though it was only for three months and even though DISH got it, it's like they're doing things and I don't know what to expect out of that going forward. That HBO now thing is like

HBO HBO knows that it has tons and tons of people who don't sign up for Concast or Time Warner or whatever. Right. But if you are NBC or your CBS or your Fox and you

broadcast sports which is like the thing, like that's billions of dollars, right? Those networks pay billions of dollars to get the NFL. They are not going to just roll over for Apple. You know what? All right. So the first iPhone did not launch with 3G, let alone LTE.

I mean, there was no LTE back then. Look, we could, we could get this Apple television with like the premium channels minus sports, right? And like, I would probably buy into that because I don't watch too many sports on television. You get Netflix, you get HBO, and you get whoever else wants to buy into this now. And then that, like what Kwame said, I think the HBO, like, Rift right now of taking it away from cable exclusivity and saying, like, here, guys, we can do this thing now. No, but that's a new market. I think it would think about this way. The people who are going to sign up for HBO now are not the people who would have otherwise signed up for Comcast.

That makes no sense. They're the people who are otherwise using their parents, their HBO Go Loggers. Yeah, it's me. Me. It's you, right? So it's totally new customers, right? But those people, you can't, they're not going to take away from the old customers. And until you start taking away from Comcast customers, Comcast, which owns NBC, is not going to be incentivized to bring football to you, Apple.

And like that, every story about Apple and the TV right now comes down to them talking to Comcast and Comcast being like, no. Like we will not do it. And like until you, like, until something breaks that log jam, it's going to be incredibly different. I mean, I know it's tough and silly to compare the cable industry to the music industry, but Apple was able to uproot the music industry with iTunes. I don't see why they can't do that again, given that they are the richest company ever in history right now. Someone just tweeted the following fun fact at me. Fun fact, Family Matter switched over to CBS for its final season. And it was terrible.

It ended with Urkel going to space. That is so dumb. That is so dumb. It was terrible. And he wound up, winded up with Laura wound up. And it was terrible. So you just straight ahead spoiled family matters. Listen, that show is so old.

It doesn't matter. Right, right, right. I think we're a little over time. Yeah. Type check CGIF. Two? Wow. Two.

I think that proves my theory that type check is, uh, uh, broken logarithmic over time false oh yeah yes yes there's definitely like a time function to the hype check what what hashtag teens care about tjif that's my question i mean he's our teens expert after all yeah all right our teens correspondent sam would you like to engage i'll do the thing so if you're listening to this live you should absolutely check out the snapchat story today uh we are blessed with having liz in the office and we did a quick little science snap story hashtag blessed uh we did a science story with liz um you should follow you should follow us on Snapchat anyway because it is awesome and a lot of fun we are the real verge on snapchat um you should follow us on twitter we're like slowly nearing a million followers and that will just be awesome and to have we want a million we want a million here's what we'll do once we hit a million to all your friends we'll do a sick giveaway from the reviews closet done oh man deal we'll give away like 10 things at once uh so you should follow us on twitter

we're at your friends and tell your friends and we'll give something to you and uh and the last thing you should do. Oh, you should definitely go on YouTube.com slash the verge and watch the videos from this week. I'm not going to talk about it that hard, but we published a video on an electric Mustang and that is dope. It's sick. It's a 10-minute like film. It's not like a video. It is a film. Go watch at YouTube.com slash a verge of. Do it. We were editing that thing really late at night. And I told Jordan and Jimmy, like, you guys are, you know that you're just making days of thunder. And they were like, we've never seen it. And I literally. really stopped all production and we just watched the intro to Days of Thunder together because I was like, just get it. And they got it. The video is awesome. By the way, in case you want to know how video added to the Vergeco,

I walk in at the last minute and make you watch a Jerry Bruckheimer movie. I'm like, make that, then I leave. That's definitely how the hangover video went. I was like, you guys are just making top gun. Liz was goose. That's harsh. That's harsh.

That's harsh. You get the needle one. All right. Casey was goose. Danger zone. Casey was goose. I take it back. Casey's.

I signed off already, by the way. So, so. We're done? I'm done with the sign-off. All right. There's, uh, whatever. Uh, I am, uh, reckless on Twitter. I am Kwombe Opam on Twitter.

I'm at Ms. Lepato. Oh, yeah. And that's what that is. And I'm Sam Shacker. Yeah, I mean, if you're going to troll me, you need to be polite to me. But you didn't know that her first name was Melissa Beth. Okay. So I thought it was like so weird.

I'm not going to say it. All right, that's the Vergecast. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back again next week. We're going to have qualming on the show more often, I think. That's cool. Enjoy these, enjoy the last days of winter. Beef.

Don't eat any almonds. Spring is beans. Bye. Bye.