The Vergecast - Our favorite tips for logging off

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

For many of us in the US, it's the beginning of a holiday weekend. So we figured we'd try and help you out. We grabbed a bunch of Verge staffers, and asked them all a simple question: How do you disconnect? We have ideas about Wi-Fi, about phone hygiene, about smartwatches, and much more. We're certainly not here to tell you to ditch screens entirely, but... screen responsibly, you know? Send us your tips, and have a great summer vacation! Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to [e-mail] or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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the flagship podcast of throwing your phone into the ocean and going on vacation. I'm your friend David Pierce, and on today's episode, we're going to talk about disconnecting. This is the beginning of a long holiday weekend for a lot of us here in the U.S. In general, I hope a lot of you are planning some big, elaborate, exciting, global, multinational summer vacation. And I figured it might be helpful to poll a bunch of people on our team for the best tips that they have on disconnecting. I will say the verge is not famously a place everybody is really good at being offline, but we still grabbed a bunch of people and decided when you want to get offline, particularly somebody who spends a lot of time online, on devices, looking at screens,

how do you get off of it? We asked a bunch of people, we have some great tips coming up. I think you're going to enjoy them. I have two before we get started. My first one is, especially on vacation, to designate a place for technology. Have all of your laptops and phones, all of your chargers, all of your energy. all of your everything in one place, whether it's a table or like have this be the phone couch, make it so that technology is available.

I think in general, the idea of like not looking at your device for a week is probably not realistic to most people, but it should be a thing you have to go to, especially on vacation, rather than something that is just in your pocket all the time. You will be amazed at how many fewer times you find yourself just absentmindedly checking it when you have to like stand up and walk across the house to go open your laptop. That's number one. Number two is get everybody on board with whatever disconnecting plan that you have. I've found that phone usage in particular is sort of a cascading problem.

You sit down on the couch and it's like, okay, we could, we could do a puzzle, we could play a game, we could watch a movie together, we could all go do something. But then one person takes out their phone and the mood sort of shifts downward. And then somebody else takes out their phone and it sort of shifts downward. And all of a sudden, you just have this waterfall effect of everybody being on their phone. But if you can get everybody to buy into this strategy of like whether you want to put your phones into a bowl and have nobody look at them all day, whether you want to have the technology placed in, it's like, okay, we're all going to sit around the table and do our work for an hour while we are here sort of in a communal technology space. And then we're going to go back to something else. Getting everyone to agree on the approach to screens goes an incredibly long way. and I have found that sitting around being the board one

while everybody else looks at their phone sort of defeats the purpose, but making it so that no one else can do it and you all have to figure out something to do together is the whole point. So that's my other tip. Get everybody on board, designate a place. That's my plan for the weekend.

We'll see how it goes. All right, let's get into all of our other tips, a bunch of stuff for you for disconnecting. My great hope is that you get to the end of this episode, you turn off this podcast, you go enjoy your long weekend, And you don't even think about screens for a while. That's what I'm hoping for me.

It's what I hope for you, too. Let's get into some tips. Verge senior reporter Haydenfield. Hi, Hayden. Hey. You, I've known you a while, and you are not a person, I would say, is, like, terrific at disconnecting.

But do you have a good disconnecting tip for when you really want to do it? So, number one, any app that I feel like I spend a lot of time on, I just make it a little harder to get to. I just put it in a folder on, like, the second screen of my phone, which is really, all my tips are pretty, like, low tech, but I think sometimes that's the best because we're all lazy. Introducing any amount of

friction in like a thing that you usually do mindlessly, I feel like is a huge help. So that's a big help for me. And then my other tips are just about like notifications. Like I don't have notifications on for any apps at all. I only have like of course texts and calls, but every other app I don't think it's a big deal if I just check it when I check it. So someone Instagram messages me, okay, like that's probably not time sensitive. If they really needed to get a hold of me, they would text me or call me. So that's a big tip for me. It's like just turning off all notifications, even email because it's like I check email enough. I don't need to be notified the second an email comes in, especially since like in our workplace, no one's emailing us if they want to get a

hold of us right away internally. But wait, when you say all notifications, do you literally, you literally mean every single, no exceptions, all notifications on your phone? I guess now that I think about it, Venmo, I have notifications on because I'm like, I mean, obviously I want to pay someone right away. But otherwise, no. Yeah, no notifications. I'm very proud of you for that. And signal because it's messaging.

But yeah. And then my very last tip is this is kind of crazy, but I don't check who views my story on Instagram, who likes my posts on Twitter or Instagram. I only read comments. I don't check like likes. I don't check views on any social media platform because it helps me feel like I'm just posting into the void. I'm like, it's none of my business who's looking at my stuff. I don't want to know. If they comment, great. Otherwise, I don't want to be like too aware of who's perceiving me because I think that is the biggest thing that is our detriment on social media a lot of times. So yeah, those are my tips for maybe not unplugging totally, but for not being as negatively affected by if you don't want to unplug completely. That's pretty good. Do you, do you like turn that feeling on and off when you're like, sometimes I will go look at who viewed my story? Or is this just like a blanket rule you have for yourself? Post into the void, don't worry about it. It's blanket. I haven't looked in years because I think that if you start, you never stop. You know what I mean? It's like if you, like,

it's kind of a blanket rule for myself and my mental health. I'm like, I don't want to know. And also I can note, I remember from years ago when I would check, I would act differently. I'd be like, oh, what if this person sees it? Like, oh, maybe I should. post this and it's like, who cares? It's like, and same with Twitter. Like, I don't need to know individually who's liking my stuff. Like, okay, it just doesn't matter. So if, if you need to know something, there's a comment, you know? So I just think for some people, maybe they can handle that. But for me, I think I just become too aware and of who's perceiving me. And I would rather just be myself the normal way. I love that. All right, Hayden, thank you. Appreciate it.

Thanks. All right. Next up, the Verges, Jen Toey, from a hotel room somewhere in deep south Carolina. Hi, Jen. Hi. We're talking to people about disconnecting and how they get offline and we are a uniquely online group of people. How do you disconnect? Give me all your good tips. Okay. So I have two. I have one for when you stay at home and one for one sort of quality of life tip. So quality of life tip, go camping. Ooh, okay. No way-fi anywhere out in the woods. In fact, I'm in northern South Carolina right now and surrounded by mountains and woods and my husband's already planning our next camping trip. So, yes.

We're going to do this from like a yurt next time, basically. Yeah, and he selects campgrounds that do not have cell service or Wi-Fi. So you have no choice. Although my children do manage to find like the one edge of the mountain they can go stand on and hold their phone up in the end. But other than that, that is because you just, disconnecting isn't just about disconnecting from the internet. It's about disconnecting from your everyday life. And there's nothing that is more of a contrast for me, from my technologically advanced home to a travel trailer. I don't do the tent thing.

I do need a trailer. Respect that. And, you know, that is the perfect experience for me for disconnecting. Simple to do, anyone can do it. That's the other advantage. And then the other simple to do anyone can do it, tip I have in your home. So if you're staying at home and you want to disconnect is just turn off the Wi-Fi. It's simple, but it works.

And in my home especially, so I use an Eero router at the moment and you can just literally hit a button in the app, Wi-Fi off. And it does mean that nothing in my home will work anymore. The lights go off. The fridge doesn't work. Well, some things will continue to work thanks to local control. But yes. But for me, it's just, for the whole family, it's a way of forcing everyone to get off their devices and hang out together. I mean, there are, you can buy, like there's a device called the brick that you can buy.

But you don't really need that. If you've got dedicated downtime, you're like, okay, let's just turn off the internet. And that gives no TV, no cell phones, no music, just. family time. Very good. Do you do that on a regular basis, or is that like a sort of breaking case of emergency? I try and do it when we're all at home and we're doing something together. I do because, yes, you can do, do not disturb on your phone or you can use parental

controls to turn off their iPhone. You know, there's things you can do. The problem with that is I'm still on my phone trying to do it. Like, and then I get distracted. And whereas just flip the switch and everyone's offline and it's fair and equal. And yeah, so I have, I mean, regular basis maybe like once a month. I should do it more. I should do it more, though.

You've inspired me, especially this summer. Yeah, I agree. I think turn off the Wi-Fi. We're all going outside is a thing I should probably say more in my house. It's simple and it works. So that would be my advice. It's a good one. All right.

Thank you, Jen. Appreciate it. All right, next up, the Virgin's senior tech editor, Marina Galaparina. Hi, Marina. Hey. You have a tip that it seems like it is born of just the pure anarchy of living in New York City. Tell me about it. Let your phone die.

Just don't charge it. Is this not the same as just turn your phone off? No. No. It's like a lovely but totally untenable idea. But you can't turn it back on. That's the... Oh, that's interesting.

So, okay, do you, is this a thing you actually do in your life? This is a thing I actually do in my life. I have an alarm clock on my Apple Watch, so I don't need my phone necessarily. I tried plug it in in the other room. That doesn't work. I tried screen time limits. I just keep snoozing them. Doesn't work.

So thankfully, my outlet doesn't work by my bed, so the phone just dies. And then the evening's over. So you take this to me and. it is time for me to go to bed because my phone is dead now. Or watch TV, whatever, yeah. I kind of love that, actually. I'm in a race against my phone. Then you're just over.

No more news. No more Instagram. Is this a thing you started doing on purpose or just discovered because literally your phone just dies sometimes because your outlet is broken? The outlet. And it's not the first outlet I recently moved. And the outlet in my old apartment also didn't work. There was like one working outlet per room because Bushwick, you know.

This is the universe. sending you a sign that this is a good idea and you should keep doing this. Yes. So, okay, my actual philosophical question here is I'm trying to decide if this is the same bit of advice that people give who are like, just have more disciplined, don't look at your phone as much. And I always just want to give those people a middle finger and be like, if that was, if I could do that, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Why is letting my phone die not just being a more disciplined person and not looking at my phone. Well, they always say that willpower is not a way to overcome addictive behaviors. So just create barriers between yourself and the behavior. And that is for me to keep the phone not charged. I mean, it's pretty bad if there's like a family emergency, I guess. This is the problem. I sincerely grapple with this because that's the exact thing, right? It's like, sure, I could charge my phone in the basement. I sleep upstairs. It could be fine. I can be far away from my phone, there is that little tiny part of me that is like, well, what if something happens? What if somebody needs to get in touch with me? Has this ever happened in the time? Have you ever

missed anything in the time that you have been letting your phone die at night? I've missed questions about weather from my mother when she hears there's rain in New York, but nothing. But I get up so early and most of my calls that are important would come from three hours beforehand. So it's still evening almost. If there's the murder. We're good. It's fine. No, this is a good tip. And I like the idea of having external forces require you to not use your devices. This is a thing that's kind of coming up over and over as we talk to people for this episode. I need to engineer some act of God that prevents me from using my devices.

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It's a huge day for you. It is a huge day for me. Yes, thank you. I'm honored. Tell me your disconnecting tip. What's your plan? Okay, my disconnecting tip is basically the library, but not just like going to the library.

It is having something to read that is not on your phone that also has basically a deadline. They're like little time bombs, especially if you get new releases, you have to return them or someone else is waiting for you. And that pressure sometimes occasionally keeps me from playing a game called Drop the Cat on my phone that I hate. And I just wish I wasn't playing it.

Wait, okay, so walk me through this tactically. Yes. You're like a put yourself on the list for 100 books. Yes. And then return them on time or risk the wrath of the librarians kind of person. Yeah, well, I really need to get a grade A in library, obviously. So, yeah, whenever I go to a bookstore, I will just put stuff on my, like, Brooklyn Library app hold list. That did result in me, like, maybe two weeks ago getting seven books at once and showing up and being like, I actually need to come back with another bag.

And I'm not going to read all those books. But, you know, the ones that are most urgent I will get to and I will feel guilty. about them if I don't because I've been waiting for strangers, the Bell Burden memoir, for like three months or something, and now it's mine. And I like it fine, but it's really important that I read the whole thing before it has to go back. I feel like you're basically just creating for yourself an endless set of read this book deadlines. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And they're, you know, the guilt is very important to me as an Irish Catholic. So. Okay. So are you, are you, you a read only on paper kind of person? Or are you doing this through, like, Libby and stuff, too?

No, I am a paper reader only. I have never, like, I will just forget that I'm reading a book on e-book. I have been reading a book called Scruples about, like, a fancy department store for maybe four years on my iPad. And it is incredibly stupid novel from the 80s, and I can't finish it. Like, I should have, it should have gone in one year and out the other, and it's bedeviling me. So, real books only from, for Meredith. So I've gone back to, this is going to sound ridiculous. I've probably read two physical books this year for the first time in a decade. How did it feel?

Like I read a lot. I read a lot of books, but I have almost exclusively been a Kind of been a Kindle reader for a very long time. And I kind of have been amazed at the extent to which I've had that exact same experience of like, there's literally just a thing of like when I have the books sitting on my kitchen counter and I walk past it. I pick it up and I read in a way that like I didn't when it's my Kindle or my phone, even though ostensibly that thing. is with me vastly more often. I just don't notice it the same way as a, oh, I love this book. I should read it. Experience. Yeah. I mean, there's just other stuff in my phone that I will do instead if I try to write it. Like, unfortunately, Twitter is in there or, you know, just checking my email, which is never interesting. And yet, like, somehow I'm doing that instead of finishing these books that I really want to read.

That's fair. I'm trying to do more. I have a lot of reading to do for work. And a lot of it is like, you know, PDFs of books and nonfiction of various kinds. And I'm trying to do more of that. And I'm trying to do more of on my devices, Kindles and iPads and whatever, because I also have to, like, highlight it and do a lot of that stuff. But I'm trying to do now all of my purely for fun reading on physical books. And I'm out there just buying, like, boxes full of paperbacks. And I got to tell you, it's delightful. I'm having a terrific time.

I support you in this. I think this is a great move. Books are, you know, books good. Deadlines at the library. Mm-hmm. Love it. All right. Meredith, thank you for coming on. Appreciate it.

Thank you for having me. Okay. Bye. Next up, Verge director Owen Grove. Hello, sir. Hey, how you doing? Good. Do you have a good tip for disconnecting?

Whenever I vacation, I am also normally filled with camera gear because just the nature of the job, I'm always filming something, I'm always shooting something. So to kind of disconnect from that, I would recommend that people bring a worse camera or maybe the second best camera in their arsenal or just be comfortable taking bad pictures. like especially if you're taking something with like a film camera and you're not like building up your you're not going to be looking over your photos once you're done with them you're going to be on your vacation again so once you just snap something with like a film camera I feel like you're able to escape it a little bit better or even if it is like a digital camera but worse it's something that you're not going to obsess over you're just going to pull it out shoot it and just forget about it and put it back in the pocket and just like not pay attention to it as long as it's not something that costs like you know like a $3,000 camera that you're kind of agonizing over. Sure. At the risk of asking a question, I suspect to know the answer to you, why isn't your phone that camera? Just because it's going to lead you into other phone things. It's going to make you want to check your text and check, oh, well, what if I post this photo somewhere?

It's going to make you, like, reconnect to all the stuff that you're trying to get away from. Yeah, yeah. Are you a proponent of the idea of even somebody who is less into photography than you are bringing a digital camera? on vacation instead of relying on your phone to be that thing. That actually strikes me as a pretty universal tip. Like, take your vacation pictures with something other than your phone just because it will keep you away from your phone. Yeah, also, I mean, especially if it's something that is kind of novel to you too,

where it's like you're not used to a point shoot or even a disposable. I mean, I know it's not digital, but like, it makes it fun to take the picture and it makes you not overthink it and just snap it and get rid of it, then, like, that's what you want. Because then after the fact you get to look back on a bunch of pictures you didn't really think too hard about. And you get to kind of like get a memory. You didn't even remember. Yeah, I love that.

Do you develop all your pictures that way? Like when you go shoot, do you then like keep your albums of vacation photos around? Anytime I shoot with anything either like disposable or like Polaroid or anything that's like an instantly printed piece like Fuji film and stuff, it is. just like scattered and skewn around my apartment when I get back. It's always kind of fun, like, picking up, like, Pokemon cards that you're like, what is this even from? And it's sometimes it's a little dark and you're like, oh, that's from California, I guess. Okay, cool.

So I don't know if I would recommend people live their life in chaos like I do. Maybe you should have an album and organize these things because it makes it, like, more fun to look back on. But it's also fun just finding a bunch of chaotic pictures all over the place. I sort of like the idea of coming home from vacation and just sort of fling your photos all over your house and just discover them as you go. That's like pure anarchy of reliving your vacation

is kind of great. I love that. All right. Owen, thank you. It's good stuff. Good to see you. Cool. Oh, my God.

Well, joining me now, the podcast producer, Travis Larchuk in a truly remarkable pair of sunglasses. What up. Is your tip just wear extremely rad sunglasses? That's one of the tips. Okay. I think what you've got to do to disconnect is to separate yourself from your boring,

quotidian tech life as much as possible. So I have one tip. I don't know how many people this is going to apply to, but I have my Apple Watch Face is the one that gives you the maximum amount of information possible. It's infograph. Oh, oh, even more so. Yeah, okay. And I use this one. It's not one of the newer ones. I have an ultra.

It's not one of the newer faces, but it does give you more information than all of the other ones. So I have my meetings. I have like workout crap. I have what today's date is. You don't need to know any of that stuff when you're on vacation. So my tip is to pick one of those fun watch faces that you're like, why are these here? You know? Like, who's using this? The one where it's just like, what if huge numbers moved in small waves? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so like there's one called Playtime,

where the numbers look like they're made like claymation numbers with feet. Yep, I know this one. Yeah. Who? I believe I have specifically asked the question, why on earth does this exist about that one? I mean, I'm going, oh, look, one of them just like sort of dropped off the face of the earth as the time change. That's dark.

All right. Here's Snoopy. Look, Apple bought that Snoopy IP, and now you can make it worth it for one weekend. And by the way, when I first check this one out, Snoopy jumped off of the minute hand into a pile of leaves. How cute is that? That is pretty good. This is the kind of thing. Oh, he fell asleep when my watch fell asleep.

This is frigid adorable. See? This is very charming. This is the best case anyone has ever made for all of these watches. And then the best one is the jellyfish. Anyway, I'm just saying, like, do you need all this information? you're off. So either do that or just take off your watch, you know?

Do you do this with like your phone home screen? Are you like a focus modes go into vacation focus mode person or just the watch? I think that's a great idea. My focus mode is I literally delete slack off of my phone. I'm like, this is easier to me than even figuring out what focus modes are. So that's what I do. I've come around to that too. I used to be like a mute notifications, take it off the home screen.

And like it turns out I will get around all of those things very easily. deleting the app is the only thing that actually sticks. Yeah, delete your apps. Don't worry about how difficult it's going to be to set up your outlook again when you need it again. Two-factor authentication will ruin your life, but that's post-vacation use problem. I have one more tip.

Hit me. Okay. I know a lot of you're going to want to play video games over the weekend and God bless, but have you tried board games? A thing everyone should know about Travis is that you should assume that whenever Travis is not actively making the verge cast, he is at some board game convention somewhere in America, because that seems to be what's going on.

What are you playing right now, Travis? Well, I brought this because this has been floating around the office for a while, but this is a copy of the Quacks of Quedlinburg. It's been out for a while, but this is one of the best board games available. And in this Ramageddon world, I feel like board games don't have any RAM in them. And this is going to be, I mean, the reason why board games became such a staple in the first place was during the Great Depression. They were a great value for money. And not to get all dark, but like, seems like, seems like, you know, this still would apply today.

So, I mean, you pick up a board game for 40 bucks. You know, that's cheaper than taking your family out to the movies. You know, so I'm just saying, you know, if you're not already into it. All right. Travis, thanks for coming on. Sorry for wasting everyone's time. All right. One last one. Here's a video that Miyasato, or reporter on our team, sent me a little while ago. I have two tactics, and they work in kind of opposite ways. So one is go places that it is more inconvenient to use your phone than not to use it.

So I'll go to the beach where it's too hot and too bright to use my phone. phone will overheat if I take it out. I go to the movies where I'm not on my phone and you shouldn't be either, or I'll go to a club where there is literally no cell service, so I can't even use my phone if I wanted to. And then the other tactic is to kind of accept that my phone will be part of my life in some way, whether I like it or not. And the goal is to minimize the reliance. So for an example, I really love to take walks. I need to take my phone with me. But I recently discovered this app called Walk NYC, where it tracks every block in New York City that you've walked and your data stays on your device. It's not uploaded to a cloud somewhere, so it's relatively secure. You don't

need to make an account. You don't need to pay. And it's a fun way to kind of incorporate my walk, my offline activity with the reality that I kind of have to have my phone on me. All right, that's it for the show. Thank you to everybody on the team who sent me tips and came on and talked to me about stuff. And thank you, as always, for watching and listening. hope at the end of this podcast, you get to just disappear into a long, restful, relaxing, device-free weekend to whatever extent you are able and willing. I hope it's a great one. If you have other disconnecting tips, this is a thing we talk about a lot on this show.

I think our relationship to technology is the story of the Vergecast. So if you have tips for disconnecting, if you want to try some of the stuff that we've talked about here and report back on how it goes, I would absolutely love to hear from you. The email is Vergecast at theBurge.com. The hotline is 866, Vorge11. Call us, email us, tell us everything we love hearing from you. And in the meantime, I hope you have a wonderful vacation. As always, the best way to support everything we're up to here is to subscribe to the verge.

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