The Vergecast - Sam from the Future

Episode Date: March 13, 2015

The lineup is turned on its head this week as Joanna Stern joins Nilay Patel and Chris Plante, and Chris Ziegler takes the hype reins while Sam is absent. These great minds reflect on this week's Apple event, Star Wars, and the upcoming Frozen sequel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, welcome to the Vergecast for the week of March 9th. This is a show about laptop computers in all of their shapes and sizes. It is not a show about whatever Chris Plant says it's about. No? You were doing really well. You actually had an intro. It usually doesn't happen that way. Hello, I am Nilai Patel.

I am Joanna Stern. Oh, what a surprise. Nobody expected that to happen. Usually you save the guest for the last part. But not today. call me a special guest. And I call you a special guest. Anyway, Joanna Stern is here from the Wall Street Journal.

She's been complaining about her headphones nonstop. It bothers me. All I hear is mouth noises. That is the nature of listening to other people speak. No, it's so... I like to think I'm a Broadway star. I just hear it. I hear your lips.

Oh, God. Oh, I can't do with that. Oh, hi, I'm Chris Plant. Chris Plant is here. And here's actually the real news of the day. Sam Schaeffer is at South. by Southwest. Buzz.

So we have, we have replaced him with Sam from the future. Old Sam, Chris Ziegler, who is, I will say, behind a vastly upgraded high.

You can't see it, I know most people are listening. Usually Sam sits in what I, what I like to think of as a middle school principal's office. It does look like that. Chris is in a middle school principal's office from the future.

I look at the photo of Sam in the back. I never thought about how much time in energy we put into a set that most people enjoy. She'll can't see. It's wonderful. I'm here for the teens, by the way. Yeah. So, good.

You're a really millennial today. Yeah, that's great. This is Warby Parker's. It's, yeah, Chris is wearing glasses. He's got a, what's that, what's that a, Henley? Is that what that shirt is called? Is that that type of shirt? It's, uh, Don Henley.

Chris is wearing Don Henley. It's, uh, it's really awkward, actually. And it's probably for the best that you can't see it. Uh, so an enormous amount of news this week, I asked Joanna to be here, uh, because earlier this week, we were at an event together. where, like most events that we go to together, she spurned me in the name of competition, just throw in fierce elbows to get me out of the way

to publish pictures in her print newspaper as fast as possible. But no, it was a big Apple event. I wanted to play Don Henley. You can hear the legal bill coming. No, you know, I watched Interstellar on the plane home last night. You know, they're on the planet, and one hour on the planet is seven years at Earth.

I haven't seen it, so you know. spoiled. That's like, that's in the trailer. It's fine. But every second of Don Henley is thousands of dollars in legal fees. You can just hear them over time. It's a good movie.

The lyrics are here. Yeah? You know what I wish I had right now? My Apple Watch to tell the lyrics. Oh, God. So let's just talk. Let's just get into the game. That was, I thought, the worst part of the entire.

The entire Apple Watch. I think if you read. People would want their lyrics on their wrist. Right. So let's just get into it. So it's the event. Okay. It's the event.

The event. Joanna set the scene. You're there. What do you do with those events? I was there with my selfie stick and I was really just, I'm there really just for socializing. It feels like Twitter in real life, so that's what I was there for. Yeah, the whole tech press is there. They're just doing it.

Yeah, I'm just there to schmooze. They are. Like, Walt Mossberg just came up to us and what is happening? He's back in a bar now. The video while behind Chris is now a bar that is zooming in and out through time. But no, we get there early. We like stand in a big line and then you, it's all these companies, they don't understand what the Press is there to do.

Which is schmooze. No, that's what they think we're there to do. Oh, we're not? We're there. Well, no. No. Like, we are there. You might remember this from your days at the verge.

We are there to cover the event. Oh, yeah. No, I didn't do any work all day. Not to, like, no, but Apple wants you to, like, go in. If you stand in a line, then you go in an area and there's a coffee and bagels. And they want you to, like, eat the coffee and bagels. I did not eat any coffee or bagels. No one does.

Most people just, like, cover by the door waiting to go inside, and the door's and there's more jabbing and punching. And then they get released again into like a fake Apple store basically. And there's more like coffee and bagels and schmooze time. But there's also more like biting and scratching and clawing. And it's just like, stop. I have no, I ate the new MacBook air. The new MacBook, sorry.

Go. It was delicious. Actually, if you do watch my video, I ate over the keyboard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I made a quick joke, which Apple did not think was so funny because they saw me eating over their new keyboard. and they were like, or what are you doing? And I was like, it's just for fun. Yeah.

You don't understand. I tell jokes on videos. It's going to be good. This is better than the time I lit the router on fire. I didn't. Oh, no, no, the background. I just imagine you as Jimmy Hendricks being like, wow. Yeah, no, I mean, the presentation, I would say the most exciting part of the presentation was probably when Christy Turlington came out.

Yeah, that's a lie. I don't know. That was probably the low... The lyrics on the phone, the lyrics on your watch and when she came out were the two points where I said, not sure Apple knows what's going on.

So fair, unfair here, and I will say, I'm sure a lot of people will think my expectations going in were unfair, but here's what I anticipated Apple would do. One, I thought they would put out a MacBook

at $1,000. We know you did. We're going to get to that. We'll get there eventually. But most of what I thought they would do was provide a compelling use case for the watch, right? That's the thing that they didn't do at the previous event. They've had six months of basically tech press confusion. Like, why would you buy this watch? Why would these prices be so high? Are they going to be as high as we think they are?

Just endless speculation about what they'll do at the second event. They came out at the event on Monday and basically rehashed the first event with some like added, and I'm, we'll say this, Samsung-esque touches to their presentation, including bringing out, like, a supermodel who's, like, doing a charity run in Africa to be like, yeah, I know. Couldn't do this without my watch. Right. And it's like, you definitely. No, no.

My really, the worst part. And she didn't even have, she didn't even have the sport watch. That's the worst part about it. She had, like, the high-end $600 or $700 watch in Tanzania. Right. It was just a very odd, like, super cringeworthy moment. Was that she said she needed the watch when she's running with like 500 Tanzanians who aren't wearing the watch?

No, exactly. There was a serious gap in between what we were looking at there. Yeah. Yeah. And also, the whole press conference was just, the wealth gap was. Absolutely. Absolutely. It was, it's downright uncomfortable.

Yeah. I mean, you start with a gold laptop that has essentially less features than what I have. Sure, because you have to keep thinning it because. Right. Well, gold. Gold and a thin culture. It's the two things we love. And then you pull on a supermodel, run.

with the high-end watch, not even the sports watch. Right. It's just like every layer of it is like increased disbelief in what is happening here. So here's the thing. But we did open with shots of China. Because that's where they're going to make other money. Yeah. So you start with, they started with what, an iPhone update.

They started, right. They did like very quick, like retail store update. Like, we're opening more stores. No, Apple, Apple TV. Oh, they did Apple TV. HBO now came to the Apple. I'm pointing at Chris because he actually remembers. HBO now.

We always have this problem, right? Like, I go to the events. I have no idea what happens. I have no idea what happens. I'm like, what the fuck just happened. But Chris and Thomas Ricker run the news here. I've just drunk. HBO now.

That's right. They reduced the price of the Apple TV from $99 to $69. Which I think they had to do because of Roku and all the streaming sticks. A lot of price pressure. It's also like four years old now. Yeah. I mean. So, you know, my belief is that they can't, they have to go down the watch road because the TV is too hard, right?

Like actually building Apple TV is too hard. And HBO now is like, that is the sort of thing they can do. They can spend a money on a big exclusive with one provider around Game of Thrones so you'll want to go buy an Apple TV. But they still haven't solved that product category. Like that's still a hobby. The watch is not a hobby at all, right?

It's the new flagship product. Like we've had two events about it now. So they go into the watch and they basically call Kevin Lynch on stage and they rehash this demo of all the things we already know can do. except with like a few new apps. But the apps are really familiar if you've looked at any other smart watch. So there's like an Uber app that calls an Uber, but it's still connected to your phone. There's the Starwood Hotels app.

Yeah, that's Starwood is always making a huge push on these apps. I've never used their app. And I'm a Starwood app. The last thing I want to do in a strange city is tie my lodging to a battery that could die. Yeah, that's good thing. I don't, like that is what terrifies me. Like if this watch dies, I will sleep on. on the street tonight.

But you'll have your phone. Your phone is your backup. And that was kind of a little bit of the theme, which was like, this can do almost all the things your phone can do. And yet they were making a point about saying, like, we're not shrinking the phone to put on your wrist. So, yeah, I thought, I came away the same way. I'm like, this thing does everything.

Do I want it to do any of these things? And I don't have an answer to that. I know in my short time, you know, wearing it in the hands-on Apple store room, I, I I was kind of getting a feel of how it works. I did not really get a feel of how quickly you can access things. That, to me, is a big thing that when the review time comes, how quickly can you get to some of those features you really want? Yeah. I have a big theory, and I know I always lean on games because it's where I come from, but I believe firmly that games are what helped establish the app store.

I mean, you literally just have to look at the sales. And I'm constantly, I guess, just made when I see these early events. on an item that you're buying that is essentially frivolous. It just doesn't have the software yet to give it real purpose. And that's the time when games matter most because they get people excited, they have novelty, they're easy to show to a friend. That's when you should have games. And for it not to be represented at all when it is the essentially like top of the app store

constantly was insane to me. And what would we do with the watch with games? That's how you get people to find stuff out. But so right now the apps are just like winning. windows back to ice. Sure. Here's a perfect example, right? So, well, when Zingo was really popular,

people had to check their farms like every 20 minutes to just collect whatever poop, I guess. I still do that. Yeah. So that would be a great thing. Ziggler looks very, very skeptical. Yeah, hype check the watch so far. Is that how this works? Drenuous syntax is not correct.

I'm going to need you to re-hype me. Okay. Wow. How does it work? It's hype check blank. Oh, hype check Farmville. There you go. No.

No, it's bad. Wow, he really is living up to Sam. But, like, those games. We need to eliminate this position. No, it's true. You're going to get in the groove. Both of you are going to figure this out. I got two newbie hype checkers.

Can we just get Chris at the table? Why is Chris just not at the table? It actually, I will say it would make sense if Chris was at the table, but for some reason to me, it makes perfect sense that Sam is usually over there. That does seem to make sense in my mind, but not Chris. Well, Chris, you earned a spot at the table. You are in the board room But I have my big bureau here

I'm in front of the video wall That's great a bar Chris So wait wait wait you were watching You were watching this event from afar I'd check the Apple Watch event So Casey and I were talking about it Right after the event

And we kind of came away with the same impression I think that you did too Which is that it really dragged in parts The Kevin Lynch part was like Yo just get on with it See there was a moment with Kevin Lynch when he was demonstrating Apple Pay, and the watches were bolted down

so he could use them. So he was like, you wouldn't really do it like this. You'd waive the watch, but I can't do that. So he just waved a credit card machine at the watch. And I was like, this is your whole life. Like, it's adorable,

but it's totally backwards. You move from making Adobe Flash, one of the worst products on the planet to waving a credit card machine at a watch. You're like, that's your life. He was just like, he was so like, it wasn't, apologetic isn't the right word. He just knew it was, like, wrong.

He's like, you know, and then you just, you just simply pay. And then he, like, fishes out this credit card. He waves it over the watch. And it was just, this is why your demo's broken. Like, you can't show anyone this product because it's so personal. And then everything about it is so complicated. Right. I mean, the personal thing does strike me.

And maybe that is part of their strategy in a way. Just tell people, it's the opposite of the iPhone and the iPad intros, right? Tell people everything you can. do with this thing and then they can figure it out. Right. Right? Like in that, whereas like with the iPhone and the iPad, we get these very structured things like it's great for taking photos.

We're going to talk about that and why it's so much better than everything else where it's great for doing this. And those things they usually are very convincing at versus this was like everything. I mean, to me, that point when they showed the songs, what is it? Shazam. Shazam. Why would I want that? Yeah.

It was this whole story, right? It's this long narrative that they told. which, again, classic Microsoft, Samsung, bad presentation move. Like, we've got all of these features. We need to explain to you why they're useful. We're going to make up a story. And the story is like, I wake up in the morning, and then I went for a run. And then I got on a plane and I landed in a city and I checked into my hotel.

And, you know, sometimes you walk into a hotel and a song is playing. And you're like, I want to know what that song is, which, by the way, never has happened to anyone. No one has ever walked into a hotel and, like, man, I wonder what wonderful song this is. I mean, but if they do, then the only feature you do want is the, is the, what is the name of the app again? Shazam. Why can't I remember that? The Shazam to just tell you the name of it, not the full lyrics. Right.

So he goes into the hotel room and he's like, and then the song is playing. It was like, it was seriously, it was like Steely Dan. So like the idea that you're walking into a W and the W is playing Steely Dan at you, zero percent accurate. Yeah, because it's all drum and bass in a W. Like, it's usually like you walk in a room at the W and you're like, I wonder where I can get some fucking X-Som. This room is purple and they're playing house. I mean, if it's Steely Den, Remix, that's one thing.

Anyway, so he like pushes a button and then watch and then like the lyrics show up in time with the music and then bizarrely thunderous applause. Right? It was not me. I was not clapping. But Casey and I were like looking each other. We're like, how do we describe this moment? Yeah. Like people are applauding for tiny Shazam.

They also did the event out of order, I thought. And we actually, so in the post show, in the post event show, Verge Live that we did, Ross and I restructured the order that we talked about things in because we were like, they didn't do it in the right order. We're going to do it in the right order. Which is move from the least exciting to the most exciting slash newest announcement. The MacBook stole that show and they should have finished with it. Oh, you're crazy.

No, no, no, you're crazy. You're crazy. I agree. Why crazy? Because I think they knew what was coming was a colossal dud. and they started big, hoping that you'd have residual hype bleed into it. If you started on all that boring Apple watch stuff, I mean, people would have been like, yeah, the MacBook looks good. The Apple Watch looks horrible.

And now people are walking like, and the Apple Watch, you know, whatever. I don't think the Apple Watch looked horrible, by the way. I think they just didn't have their messaging. Okay, so I think this is where you and I, so the last piece of news mean to get out there is, and they revealed all the prices, right? Right. And so the prices for the 38 millimeter, which is a tiny watch. It's actually very small, in my opinion.

It looks great on me. Yeah, but it's like small. That's 349. But it looks good on me and that's all it matters. And you're going to get, I'm going to buy you a $10,000 watch. Finally, I want the rose gold one. I don't understand. What's the name of a gold?

It's a gold. But it's Apple gold so special. It's my name of gold. It's a beautiful gold. Same thing. I would love a normal watch. It starts at 349. You need a gold.

The slightly bigger sport is like $3.99. Then there's a crazy array of stuff in the middle from like $549 to like $1,100, all depending on like what band you want. Because the watch itself is the same and the bands are like a variety of from prices. Yeah. So the one I want the black stainless steel only comes to the black stainless steel band, which means I have to pay $1,000. $1,100. That one's 1099, yep. Yeah, and that's like the hottest one.

Which one? The black stainless steel one. Yeah, that looks cool. But to be perfectly clear. $1,100. To be perfectly clear, if you got... That's ridiculously expensive. It is.

If you got the stainless 360... How much is the stainless 360? Which is essentially the same watch in many respects. You're paying $299, I think. That's a big premium. For casing. And then obviously the addition, which is made of like, you know, space age gold that Apple invented on the moon.

which is like literally starts at 10k and goes up to like 17. And then they ran this video like just to hammer home how much you're paying for how much it looks, or for what it looks like, where the interface of the watch is doing all the stuff and just the casing is changing. And it's like, yes, it doesn't matter how much you pay will always do the same thing. Right. That is the interesting thing to me. But you don't want to be the plebe with the ion X glass. You want you want sapphire.

I, like, have wanted to barf so many times through all of this. Because you're the plea with the INX class. Yeah, because I'll have to be. And that's, like, what bums me out. Like, everything about this, the problem is I don't have anything against fashion or expensive nice things. What bums me out about this is iPhones are already a class item in, like, high schools everywhere. And the idea of iPhones and this being, like, a mandatory thing for teenagers, and teenagers judging each other off of it is just, like mental torture.

But anyway, this circles back to the one point that I wanted to make about the apps and stuff and why I think it is, as they presented it, bad leaning towards horrible, is you're right. I don't think you need any apps that are the apps that are on your phone because there's a reason we have the phone, and the phone's already almost too small for that as everyone who bought the iPhone plus notes. I know. So what you can do with it. Do you have a regular six?

You have a regular six? Is it too small? No, it's perfect size for me. But I think it's really, I'm going to, you're going to make a point. But the one thing that everybody loved about when they first announced the Apple Watch was that you could draw little pictures and you could get heartbeat. That was the thing that, like, my Twitter blew up. Really? Because normals like those things, because normals love being in contact with people.

That's why all the biggest apps are messaging apps. So to me, what you do with this is apps that are either somehow messaging. I mean, if you had a small camera in that and you were able to do Snapchat directly into that whenever you're doing anything, that would be a lot. Nightmare. Oh my gosh. Teams would freak out because you wouldn't have to get your phone. You're in school. You're constantly looking at your Snapchat.

Hype? Is that the right answer? I don't know how this works. I'm sorry. Chris is like, I'm usually on the other side. But just games that are like ultra-simple social games that kids can be playing all the time. Those are the things that are going to blow up. Or social messaging.

I agree with you on the messaging and the emoticon, the emoji, you can change them. Those are a really cool thing. Those are interesting. I'm into them. But like, anything that's just doing what my phone does, I just, I don't get it. I don't know. I think the doodle thing is like, really, what is that? Oh, my gosh.

I, that's all, I want that market nonstop. Yin and yang here. It's all fine, right? It's just all. You really are. You really are. I like your brain is going. So, here's the problem.

Is that so valuable that you will wear this thing all the time? If you're a teenager, it is. And that's why you go for them. Maybe. To me, there's two things that I personally am very excited about with the watch. One is notifications. To me, it seems like a huge mess, and we will have to find that out. I really still have no idea how it works versus, like, in the app, you've got to set up through the app notifications.

You also have to set up through the Apple Watch notifications. That all seems way too complicated, and my guess is that it probably is going to be way too complicated. But I'm excited about something that can put notifications on my wrist in a smart way. Android Wear hasn't done that yet. Maybe this is going to do that in a little bit of a better way with VIP and stuff like that. That remains to be seen. The second thing I'm actually excited to see if they can do a decent job at is the fitness stuff. Again, what we saw at the event was that this actually doesn't do much more than a regular fitness band.

That was actually the Christy Turlington thing was like it could be a Garmin video. Right. It could be Garmin. It definitely, like, a Fitbit, I'm wondering if basically just does the same exact thing as the Fitbit that I've been wearing. for the last two months. Yep. So those are the two things for me that I feel like, okay, if they can do these two things well, I'd wear this thing.

But all the time? Because the thing about a communication... Why not all the time? Because I don't wear my watch all the time. Like my actual watch that I'm wearing right now. I take it off throughout the day like several times. Mm-hmm. Right?

Like the thing about a communications device is that either you need to have it with you all the time or you need to be able to check it or it needs to be an inbox. Right. And like I don't see how the Apple Watch isn't it? Like, when you pick it up, is it going to be like, you receive several heartbeats. Five heartbeats are received today. I mean, I'm, we're not, we're abnormal, but I carry around my phone and my hand pretty much all day long. Everywhere I go.

And especially on my commute, I like look like an asshole. I'm always like, you know, looking at my phone. Along with every other New York. Yeah. Really. And I annoy myself. So if this proves to be a very helpful companion when I'm out and about, yeah, I'd wear it all the time. I mean, probably I might take it off when I'm at my laptop.

For some reason, I always take my watch off when I'm at my laptop. It hurts my wrist. Yeah, we used to both do that. I would leave my watch every place in the office because I would take it off when I was, like, it hurts with my wrist or something. I don't know. And I think it scratches my computer. There's all kinds of reasons I want to take off a watch when I'm using my laptop.

Can someone hype check me because I'd like to make a guy? Oh, hype check. Hype check something. Okay, thank you. I just assuming that's how you pass the baton. Oh, yeah, hype toss. So I would argue. that looking at your watch is as annoying to others as looking at your phone.

And so, like, if you're in a conversation with someone, like, you have to steal a peek at your watch if you want to look at the time. Because if people catch you doing it, they'll be like, I'm sorry, do you have someplace to be? Yeah. I actually think it's a more disruptive gesture than peeking at a phone. I think it is the visual version of whatever. Like, when people say whatever and it makes you like that, like, oh, I'm not welcome. And then, like, somebody looks at the watch is like, oh, you want to know how. long it is until you can reach me. Because this is normal. You're like, oh, I got a beep and you look at

the beep and you put it away. Because there's like, there's an element, well, maybe this is new in the watch. With a phone, you can at least pretend it got a notification, right? Just like sometimes I'm talking to plant, I pretend to receive a phone call and walk away. All the time. But you can at least pretend that like, oh, this beeped, I'm putting it away. I'm just looking at it. Right. With a watch, generally, you're like, I am actually checking the time to see how much longer I have to deal with you. Maybe the addition of notifications to the watch. will change that dynamic. But I think like fighting a thousand years of cultural behavior might be difficult.

I do think though, and all of these things we're talking about. How old watches are they a thousand years old? Like 350 years old? Okay, 350 years of cultural development is like difficult. Almost everything we're talking about right now has nothing to do with what this device can actually do. With the Apple watch, right? It has everything to do with smart watches.

Yeah, exactly. And what's crazy to me is I don't think Apple sees it. I think Apple thinks they made the, like, the industry defining smartwatch. And they might have. We don't know yet. I think they just made another smartwatch. And it's not as much better as MP3 players as the iPod was better as other MP3 players. It's not better than other smartphones the way the iPhone was better than other smartphones.

It's not better than other tablets the way that iPad was rather than other tablets. It is very much of this generation of smart watches. Because it doesn't do that one thing better. Or, I mean, my opinion is, in many ways, it has all those same components that the iPhone had, right? The iPhone and the iPad had. It's better looking, it's leaker type of design style is better than a Samsung driver. No, maybe, well, you don't think it looks good as externally. And then the software, again, we don't know yet enough, but.

I think the software is confusing to use. Yeah, that was my initial impression as well, but I think I was probably my initial impression of the iPhone as well. That was absolutely. How many hands-on areas have you been in your life, right? Like, this is a million. Like, all the time. Like, this is a thing that we do. Like, I am very used to, Chris is very used to, going to events, picking up a new gadget

or new software or new hardware and immediately assessing it. Knowing how to use it. Right? Like, that is professionally what we do. It is rare. It is ultra rare for me to pick up something that I, like, should be able to use. and think to myself, what screen am I on? Right.

To me, there was definitely a couple of those points where I was like, I have to hold two fingers down to do a heart rate thing. I have to force touch. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, so there were definitely some of those points, but I do think in many of the ways, like, that we have associated Apple as being kind of that step ahead of the other people or companies in the industry,

there could be some of that here. Again, I don't know enough yet, especially of how those notifications work to feel, convinced about it. Because that's one of my biggest complaints about Android wear. But with the iPhone, so I've thought about this a lot, as I'm sure we all have, like, we want to make that comparison to the iPhone launch. And I think that with the iPhone announcement and with that event, it was very easy to sort of pull out the moments in that presentation and the features of the phone that made it a step beyond anything in the market, right? With this,

I look at it and I think, well, in terms of technology, in terms of hardware, it's no better than anything else that's on the market today, all they've done is throw literally every feature at it in the hopes that something will stick. Yeah. Like, it seems like such a smorgasbord of crap that can go on your wrist. Right. And they're hoping that something sticks. Right.

And that wasn't the case. In fact, it was the opposite with the iPhone. Right. It was pulling things out. Right. You're right. Right. Right.

We don't need MMS. Right. You know, it was like, we don't need copy and paste. We don't need apps. We don't need apps. Like, literally every, they put every, you know, we don't need MMS. everything out of that device. And the iPad in many ways, like, was not, now it's like a tablet.

Like, you can make, you can make it pretty weak. Maybe the confusing thing for all of us is the apps, right? If you pull out the things that Apple isn't do, that is just Apple here, right? It's messaging. It's the watch. Mm-hmm. And it's fitness. Right.

And the watch is not a thing. Well, it tells time. Yeah, but that's not, like, they open with it. Right. But they opened it. No one told time before Apple. Tim Cook did this. whole thing where he's like first it's a watch.

Right. First it's a watch. And it tells UTC time. It's like so does everything. No, nothing's ever told time. No, no, but they did make a deal. Like Apple Gold, they made a big deal about Apple time. Like it's like it's accurate down to 50 milliseconds. Yeah. They're using some special technology. But no, I think, but all that is a reference to other super expensive watches. Right. Where you accomplish that stuff with like precision mechanical gears. Right. In here it's like no. Like that's happening. when the watch only costs $350 too, because it's a piece of silicon from China. It's not like your precision manufacturing. Like Apple did this, they did it both for the aluminum and the stainless steel.

They ran Johnny Eye videos. This event, by the way, was like... All Johnny Eye videos. It was... No, but to the next level of Johnny Eye videos. Also, now the Apple Watch app, I was watching it in the cab right here is all Johnny Eye videos.

What? Yeah, well, if you go into the app... Isn't it 8-2? I haven't updated at 8-2 yet. You can imagine how Tim Cook. Which also, it's stuck straight in the middle of my home screen. Like, it didn't even put it here. It just put it right and smack in the middle of my home screen.

Well, that's, you know, that's so you know to buy a watch. Right. That's outrageous to me. Yeah. No, I agree. At least put it on the last page. Don't put it smack in between my really important Instagram and my really important Slack app. Make it an app in the app store.

Make it an app in the app store. That's what they should have done. Look, you come in here and you have all these. Wait, hold up to the speaker. Or the microphone. No, we're going to do the whole thing. No. No, it's eight minutes on.

That's what I got eight minutes. Ten, sorry, ten minutes, twenty two seconds. No, we've had enough. This is water, George. I just thought of something. You know who needs to play Johnny Ive in the Aaron Sorkin movie Jason Statham? Oh, that makes sense. Here's the, you're absolutely right.

No, no, no, see, there is an element to Johnny Ives' personal brand where people believe he looks like Jason Satham. He does not. I love Johnny Ive. I love Jason Statham. Who doesn't love the transporter? But Johnny, not a Statham. I mean, I'm going to say this. I'm just to say it once.

And he deserves it. He's one of the most brilliant designers in the world. He has a voice, the voice of an angel. He really does. Talking about, like, aluminum extrusion. Like, it's incredible that he can be compelling with that. Dude wears white linen pants just all the time. I've seen him in events for years, always with the wrinkled white linen pants.

And it's just like that. You want to talk about privilege and status and like the wealth gap? Like that is the wealth gap. He needs to go. He needs to go. He's always ready to go. He's always wearing like the moon shoes and the white linen. He's just like padding along.

It's great. Yeah. I mean, more in this conversation. But I'm saying Jason Statham, no white linen pants. The only time Jason Statham is wearing white linen pants, it's like after he's killed the eight guys. Right. And he's, like, alone in, like, the Overlook Cliffside Hotel, like, brooding about his life. And he's got to be busted in and then kill another eight guys.

Yeah, yeah. That's the only time. Yeah. Right. It's like, Jason, like, you know, it's that scene in the action movie. Right. I don't know anyone else who wears white linen pants. I'm not a box. Um, maybe Ellen. I've been shot. I feel like music producers. A lot of music. You know what white linen pants are. They're hell of leisure. Is that a hype shit? I check white linen pants. All right, we got to talk about the other thing. So, here's the thing. So presumably, the watch is coming out, what, mid-April, there's some dates, there's pre-orders. I think 20.

20. Talking about. Which, are you going to buy one? I don't know. Like, I want a legit, so here's what I really want. I want to use a steel motor 360 with iOS using an official Google Android wear app for iOS. That's what I want. Right.

Google now is the most compelling thing I've seen on a watch. It's good. I agree. I agree. But I can't use it with iOS, so what are you going to do? Yeah. I thought, are there reports that they're going to have an app, right? Yeah, I've heard about them.

Yeah, it's been floating around, but like it's not here now and who knows if it ever will be. So if Google, you know, they stopped selling the Nexus 5 today and then like I played with the Nexus 5 for a while. Dude, if that phone just had a good camera. Yeah, I know. It's a tiny phone now. Yeah, no, that's why I love it. I still love that phone. And then I like looked at the Nexus 6 online today.

And I was like, really this. this massive thing. Look, if you want to use Google's wireless network, you can need Nexus 6. Oh, God. You know, there's a guy who tweets at me like three times today asking me when the new Nexus 9 is coming out?

Well, you know. I mean, you have all the answers. No, it's just like, A, like the last tweet, it just ended with the word please. Please. Straight up. He's like, you have to know, please. I'm like, I know.

Just give the date. Just tell him a date. Anyway, so if that phone had a good camera, I would, like, move ecosystems. This conversation does prove to me, though, that they did not make a great case, obviously. I kind of knew that already, but that it seems like they are really depending on people using this to figure out why we would use it. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Like, I would say that Android Wear, because of Google Now, has a great case, right? It presents to you a case for why you'd want to put this on your body. all the time, right? Because Google is going to deliver ambiently important information to you wherever you are. So if you need to know about the world around you, you're going to look at your wrist and Google's going to tell you like driving directions to work or like commute time. It'll just be there or something. Like the Google Now stuff that you'd otherwise want to know, that's really interesting to me.

But just like... And worth an interruption sometimes. I think a lot of the question with what we've also been talking about here is like, what are any of those apps worth an interruption in our lives? And if you're going to, if you're going to pay the price of an interruption, why wouldn't I pull out the bigger screen with a better battery and a faster processor? Right. I think if that's where I was also hoping for Apple to do something.

And I'm hoping Google does it too, which is get smarter about what we want to be interrupted for. Right. And they, from what I've seen, Apple does not have the back end here to be smart about who we want to, what people that contact us across different services are worth interrupting us for. Cool tweets. Cool tweets. Yeah, that's the thing.

They said Twitter's coming to a thing. And one of the first tweets I saw was, imagine every at reply hitting your wrist. Yeah. Which is a nightmare. They told us that you could make a list. Who the hell is going to do that? I don't know. I don't know.

My wrist list? My wrist list. You're on my wrist list. You'd be on my wrist list. You're my baby. Yeah, but we could be VIPs. You're my baby girl. My gosh.

You want my wrist list. Only true Bay is on my wrist list. Oh, God, I want to kill myself. I've checked the wrist list. Uh, no. But they did convince me why I need a new Macbook, so I was happy about that. Yeah. Okay, let's do the MacBook.

We're definitely running over here. Let's do the MacB. Tell me I'm wrong. This is your moment. I want to tell a story on the Vergecast, and that's why I came here today. I have a counter story that proves that was right. You should just interrupt you to start. I'm ready.

I'm ready to interrupt this. I was on the Vergecast during CES. Oh, I was on that one, too. Yeah, you were on. that one. You had a seat at the table, Chris. I did. That's true. I've been downgraded. And you've been downgraded and you need to speak to HR. This glass ceiling is rough. I agree. No longer

the big boy. Yeah. And um. I'm not done with my story. Can we get anyone to play any music here? Anyway, there were rumors of a new MacBook air and Mark German at 9 to 5 Mac had a big break. had a big break during CES, which Neely I thought was probably be planted by Apple, which not Chris planted, but- I just meanly tweeted.

And I felt he was wrong about that. Joanna felt that was wrong about many things. That was the first thing I thought you were wrong about. The second thing was then Tom Warren had a great piece about some things that are, I'm just pointing any Steely Man. Okay. Really? In the ears.

I just literally played. I typed Steely Dan in a Spotify and started doing it. Okay. to catch out Mila was wrong about a lot of things. Yes. And then the Verge had a piece written by Tom Warren about, I guess, I just put Tom Warren. Tom Warren.

But that piece was 99% about the specs. Yes. And he did nail some of those specs. He nailed the processor. He nailed the port, though that was also reported by German. And that was, it was a solid piece of reporting in there, though there was, it implied, or not even implied, it actually said that this would be a lower cost computer for Apple. We got that wrong.

I will own up to getting that wrong. That was very wrong. Because I at the time said I could not see Apple introducing a high-resolution MacBook air that even with lower end processing power, what is going on? There's a picture of plant that's just perfect. Anyway, carry on. And you kept saying, I think this is their place to get into a lower cost PC and go ahead. No, that is not what I said. That's why, that's what we disagree.

And I'm only off on this price by a little bit for this reason. You're off by $500. No, no, no, no, $400. $300.300 minus $900. $300. Here's what I thought what they were going to do. I'm going to get my calculator out. Okay.

You do the calculation. Here's what I always said that they were going to do. What they needed to do. And what we reported on, the reason that we nailed the port and the processor and the specs was because I think this product exists to cannibalize. Because Apple's great at self-cannibalizing, the people who buy a good, like the high-end iPad and a keyboard case. That is the, that is this product's place is that thing. right which generally comes out to be about a thousand dollars that's like that is that zone for those products it's the seven hundred dollar iPad and the two hundred dollar case which is where i got to 900 where is the 700 iPad if you're

getting the 60 or the 100 that's like the medium the medium iPad with LT that's like okay that's like one of their best selling units and then a keyboard case is 100 bucks no the good ones are 200 bucks the bridge is 150 bucks you probably know more about these things I do. No a lot more than you. Clearly, that's why you're on the show today. But that was my argument, and that was what we had been told, and that the rest of that information was correct. Hype check, Nilai's story.

Nilai, put a quarter in your ass because you played yourself. Oh, I'm just doing this for as long as it takes to make a gift. Guys, oh gosh, are you doing your De Niro? I don't know what this is. Also, do you not know how to give sports, you're not moving. He kind of move. Oh, no. Grumpy made me lie.

I still feel good about that piece because we got most of the information right. We made the wrong call on the price. We have to move quick. We have to hit. Tell me about the MacBook. Actually, here now evaluate the MacBook as a thing. As a thing. There's three parts of that that I'm really excited about.

The screen, the keyboard. I'm really excited to try that thing out because this has been a big problem within computers was kind of the height and the pitch the keys. And then the, as the unfortunately called force touch. That thing, that trackpad is awesome. Yeah. That to me was like, okay, really, I'm not pressing down on anything. That's kind of crazy. And I'm excited about those things. I was a little bit disappointed that there was no touch ID. Yeah. I, what else was I disappointed in? I am a little disappointed in the processor. Hopefully we'll have to see how that handles, especially with that.

high-res screen. But other than that, it seems like a dream. Yeah. I mean, I really liked it. Yeah. I think it is slow. The first generation of every retina product is slow. Yeah, I read a lot of pieces, and I think this is probably true, unfortunately, that the second or third generation of this product is going to be the sweet spot.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, this is the Magna Giro over again. Yeah. Yeah. But we're all still going to get one. Definitely. I will say this. The other reason that we went at the price.

that we went with in that piece, which was wrong, fine. It was because I know the Mac team thinks about Chromebooks a lot. Like they do. They talk to us about it a lot. And they talk about and this is true because the next day was the pixel

embargo and pixel review. And the pixel is like a great little laptop. What? Segway. Did it. Yeah. We did it. But no, they're worth talking about together.

Definitely. Yeah. Like if I could live in a world without the three native apps that I depend on on my computer, which are basically like Slack and Twitter that's in a handful on this laptop, on my work laptop. You could live with the Chromebook with Twitter. Tweet decks really good on there on Chrome OS. Oh yeah, yeah. I've done that. It's awesome.

Right. Does it run the Gmail app? What do you mean? Because it runs that tiny handful of Android apps, right? Yeah, no, it's still just Gmail in the browser, but you can make it a separate window. Yeah, I mean, like, there's just like a real chance that like a $1,000 Chromebook pixel is a viable product. Yeah, and that's what I wrote in my review, that it's not quite there. But that definitely goes head to head with the air, the current air, I think. Right.

And that's kind of where our pricing. I can see that. That's where a lot of that came from because we talked to, like, every time we have a review unit from Apple about a thing, what they talk to us is they obviously talk about the spectrum of computers. and then they like, there's usually some mention of the Chromebook, just as a thing. Because I think they know that most people who buy Macs are not super interested in buying Windows machine. Yep. But they also know their usage stats. They know tons of people run web browsers all the time on their Macs.

And a beautiful laptop that's fast with an all-day battery that runs a web browser great is still like a thing that people are interested in. And they sell really well. And they're way cheap, some of them. Yeah. And that's where I think the, the, new update to the air is really compelling because the air is still, and they said it, they said, this is still the best mainstream laptop. This is the laptop for people.

Right. Right. And that, I mean, I said in my pixel review that there's still many more reasons to get an air over a pixel or any Chromebook. They didn't add forced touch to the air right, just the 13 retina. I will say that it's so weird because they introduced force touch on the watch where it makes no sense. It's just another thing you can.

Where does it even work on the touch? It's on the watch face. That's how you change the watch. faces. You're like push down heart. It's like random. Like there's a communications button. There's a digital crown with a button.

There's like all swipes and taps. There's a lot of ways. And then there's like this like random right click in one app. And then you can like when you press the communications button to send a heartbeat, you push two fingers. It's like just this mess. And then on the MacBook, force touch is awesome. Like it is very cool.

Like that one demo they do with QuickTime where you push it a little bit harder to scrub faster. I don't know yet. It's also super obvious. It's going to be. on the next iPhone or not that. No question. Definitely. Yeah. Hmm. It's already rumored and it makes sense, right? Right. But why they have to call it force touch? Yeah, it's a good question. Miserable name. Yeah. No, I mean, like Apple's naming has fallen into severe chaos. Yeah. Like digital crown, force touch. I mean, there was mobile need. Digital crown doesn't bother me as much as the worst.

But no, but just keep it. This is true. This is the three things that they have on the watch. Force touch, digital crown, digital touch. What's digital touch? Yeah, right? It's that's all those little communications features are called that's digitally touching someone. Oh, okay. Which you do with the help. But I like to digitally force touch somebody. No. Unclear if you can do that.

I will be digitally forced touching you. Chris, are you into that? No. You have to hype. I'm stuck on digital crowds. Yeah, hype check force touch. Sounds like something falling out of my teeth.

It does. Digital crown. Or it sounds like a Burger King digital. Oh, yeah. I will say this. You know, we get, it's funny, we get a lot of what I would call Iverge comments. but this time our general reaction to this event

and I think a lot of the tech press is skepticism of this event has brought out like angry Apple people which we haven't had in a long time and that it was like refreshing. They're mad that you don't like what you... They're mad that we're the skeptic... I'm getting a lot of you don't understand the watch.

And my instinct is like but why do you? Yeah, do they know something we don't? Help us understand the watch. Yeah, I'm very confused. There are some hashtag teens on BuzzFeed that understand it. Oh, you know the video that BuzzFeed made that is clearly not journalism?

Oh, my God. That Ad Age really ran an article about calling, this is not an ad, but it's a good win for Apple anyway. But that was not paid? No. I saw a video, but I didn't. They called it a free ad, basically. Yeah. So just to give them the story, Chris.

Yeah, there's this video of like these hashtag teens, showing at the Apple event. Hashtag teens. There's a lot of lingo on the show now. Okay. Yeah, they're chilling at the Apple event. They're like, I'm about to check out the Apple Watch. I'm super hype for it. Yeah, and the headline of the video on YouTube is people react to wearing the Apple Watch the first time.

Right. But it's not people. It's two BuzzFeed reporters. Are they, no, they're not reporters. Yeah, they're normals. Those are, no, those are the, they, that's how the video made it seem. Yeah. No, those are BuzzFeed, because they got credentialed by Apple.

So they probably just picked your random people that they let in. It seems like a very handheld-holded thing. BuzzFeed got President Obama to use a selfie stick. They can probably get two. two normals into the Apple event is my guess. That's what I think happened. That's what I think they worked with Apple on getting two random people into the event. By the way, both women, which I thought was interesting.

Yeah, yeah. But anyway, so these folks were super hype for the Apple Watch. And bless them. Maybe, you know what? Maybe they're going to sell 150 million of these things this year. Who knows? It's Apple. Probably they'll sell a lot of them.

Yeah. I don't, I don't know. I'm medium on this. All right. Talk about Frozen. Are we actually doing this? Yeah, you got seven minutes. Oh, wait, wait.

I'm sorry, one more Apple question, then we can get into that. Actually, we have more that we started late. We have more time of that. What color MacBook are you most hype about? Black, space gray. I like space gray, but I kind of just want a gold one just to be that person. Becky, Becky, sent me a note right away being like I'm getting. Becky's MacBook Air, I'm like a bad husband.

Her MacBook Air is so old. Mine is so gifted. It is actually Dieter's MacBook Air that was a year old when I bought it from him, gave it to her. Oh, my God. When we started The Verge. Why don't you just buy her the actual MacBook Air? No, it's one of those.

It's like a 2011 MacBook air. But instead of buying the MacBook, instead of buying the MacBook, why don't you just buy the MacBook? Because I have basically not upgraded her computer because I was waiting for a retina error. Because it's fine. By the way, that is what I still want.

Yeah. I still just want this computer to have a retina option. With these ports. With these ports. Screw the ports. I'm going to get it. And a touch force. Force touching.

People who have to actually do the job. I need a force touch this. What are you talking about who uses the port? I'm very excited about dongles. I'm going to have a whole bag of dongles. I was telling Eli about this on I message. Makes me anxious. Dongles?

Nosses. I mean, Joanna, did repeatedly send me the words bag of dongles. You're living the wireless life now. I know. Yeah, this is the dream. And the woman was like basking in the glow of the screen. It's like, oh, her battery's going to die. That was immediately what I thought.

It was like, this dream is not going to get you eight hours of that. I don't really know how much I need those ports. I'm excited to try it out and see how much I miss it. But to me, I'm more frustrated about Apple's port situation or charging situation because if we have, which all of us will at some point be testing, a watch, the new Air or the new MacBook, and I have an iPhone. I will need to carry around three separate charging cords for that. Yep.

That is insane. It is insane. It is not the right move. That is not right. No. And what are the chances they're ever going to change lightning to USB type C? Not good. And what are the chances that USB type C will ever charge that watch or an iPad?

No, that's good. I can see a USB type C to lightning cable in the world. Oh. So, okay. Like that makes sense for them to make. Someone will make that right away. They told me USB type A, USB, that's a standard. B, it's electrically passed through with like,

regular USB. But what they should make is type C to type C. Wait. Type C to type C. That's like a wormhole. Why? No, what you mean is male to female, right? Because it's female on the computer. You want a cable that gives you a male type C that you can plug into whatever, right?

Yeah, but also I want a type C male to put into my... Right. You want to get rid of lightning. Yeah. And I think that's like a pretty good argument. Right. But I don't think they're getting rid of lightning. Me neither.

So people on Twitter made the point... People on Twitter made the point that lightning is actually substantially thinner than type C, and that might be the limiting factor. Well, there's that. Also, Apple makes money on every single licensed lightning is accessory. Yeah. And also that they want us to buy dongles. No, the dongles that...

I think that they are... Do they make any money on dongles? Is there being a report? Basically in a hands-on area, I was told, like, the dongles are not licensed. They are the standard. They are super cheap to make. They will be everywhere. And that's why they cost, what, $80?

That's why Apple's cost that much money. But I think you're going to be able to buy the bag of Amazon Basics, USB to USB dongles for like $20. Like I think that they're not stupid on that front. Yeah. I think they're going to be a huge markup on like USBC to HTML. Right. That'll be $120. And that'll be in every conference room in America.

And Johnny I will buy as many white linen pants as he wants. And Bentley's. Okay. So you're buying the gold one? I don't know. Are you going to buy a watch? Yeah, I'm probably, I mean... Edition?

Yeah. Definitely. We're all going addition. Of course. Yeah, no money left. We're bankrupting our company. We're taking our VC money and we're putting it right into smart watches. What up?

I might be confused. Can the sport use the other bands? Yes, but you won't be able to get them. Why? Because they're not selling them. We're not selling all of them separately, right? I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question.

But yes, the sport can use the other bands. So maybe I'm just going to buy a sport. But hype check ion X glass bust. You just entered like a hype loop. I've not understood a word for a step. First I haven't understood a word you've said this whole point. Being Sam is hard. Now we understand why you weren't invited to the table.

Here's what I'm saying. Sam delivers those exact same words with such conviction that everybody knows what he means. Yeah. He's just, he's just conveying like a sense of positivity or negativity. Right. It's amazing. I'm trying to channel Sam and I'm having a hard time doing it.

You're trying to say full things. Sam speaks in binaries. It's like, yes, no, good, bad. All right. Why do you hate I and X class? Why do I hate I in X class? Because it's not Sapphire. I think people should just buy the sport and get a better band.

How do you buy a band? This is so complicated. Is that not possible? Why do they have? I'm sure. Why is this products? Are you buying one? No.

If they let you, Joanna, if they let you. Have you been here for the last couple of hours? If they let you buy a band, then Johnny I would be abdicating his responsibility as a designer. No, you can. You read the New Yorker profile? Yeah, where he talks from Smack and Motorola. Yeah. Which is insane.

I'm sorry. Like, you're doing the exact same thing with the watch, except you're selling them as different skews. That's all you're doing. Whoa, I didn't realize the Middle and East loop was so. I like that. The Milanese loop. Yeah, I like it.

You know, the thing about Apple that is, like, particularly remarkable. Go on. Is that their ability to just, like, whole cloth create vocabulary for people? So you're at this event, and people are like, you know, I prefer the Milanese. I'm like, you didn't. You didn't know that word this morning. Or was the tiered battery, or not tiered batteries.

The contoured batteries. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Where they're like, terrorist. Terrace, terrorist. It's just like, how, how is this company like able to just deliver vocabulary onto the world? This is my favorite shot. This is also in one of the videos.

This one here. Which one? What are you showing? That you will have sex if you get this. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of people making out with the watch. There's a lot of sex with the watch. Yeah.

Just fucking. I need to get this watch. But what's the point? I figured it out. No, there's a lot of shots of people just like in like really weird embraces. It's for teens. But just like with an app open on their phone.

But what's the point of digital touching someone if you can analog touch them? Yeah, check out my heartbeat now. Because teens only know how to communicate for the digital joke to make in here and I'm not going to make it. No. Don't force touch anyone. Can we talk about force touch? That's the only thing you should say about force touch. Don't force touch any.

Oh, I want to tell you my Star Wars thing. Yeah, yeah. By the way, just to force training. Poor Chris. The 42 millimeter link bracelet. Guess how much it costs all that time? I don't want to know. It's going to press me.

$449. Just for the bracelet. Can I get the sport and put it on with the leather loop? Yes. Wait, leather loop. Yes. That looks great. That's a great solution for people.

How much is the leather loop? It's not. It's a hot. $150. For the band. For the band. Yeah, but if I, I, where is there, where is the pricing on here?

Okay, go to store.com slash us, slash watch slash watch desk accessories slash bands. Let's go into the store. That's PHP. This is great radio. No, if I, if I have one thing to say about the watch, if there's one message that I'm trying to convey about this watch, it is that it is so complicated.

Everything about it is complicated. What is the URL to see what watch bands, there are. Just ordering it. It is not Apple.com slash watch slash bands. It is this garbage. Like everything about it is overdone.

All right. Talk about Star Wars. I bet you they sell a lot of these 349 silver sports. Because people are sheep. Yeah, they're sheep. Yeah. They're sheep and they're cheap.

They're sheep. Welcome to hell. Sheep. Eye sheeps. I'm an eye sheep. I'm an eye sheep. In the joke, we give them a term. Oh, I'm a millennium.

I sheep. Yeah, no. I prefer. Definitely this white one with the band. This looks good. This white one with the band. I'm saying there's going to be people in the world who know the difference between a 38-millimeter modern buckle and a 42-millimeter classic buckle.

Yeah. Everyone. Because Apple will make everybody. No. Honestly, they should have called it men and female. No. Male and female. Oh, that would have been.

No. Why? Why? Yeah. Women naturally have smaller wrists. I know. I know, I personally know women who like big watches and men who like small watches. That's true.

I do, I think more women like, you're small watchman. My wrist are the size of chicken legs. Yeah, mine too, but. Yeah. You're small, yeah. They're hanging a little wrist. All right. Okay.

They should have called it that. Well, they should have called it small and medium. You got, you got some Star Wars minutes here. Guys, I got Star Wars. Are you ready for this? I'm going to steal something entirely. Yep. So my pal, Mike Ryan, who now is it.

Uprocks is the world's biggest Star Wars fan. The new Star Wars got a name announcement. This is like the one that's not part of the next trilogy. It's called Star Wars Rogue One. And it stars Felicity Jones, I believe it was the name, as the lead, right? So female lead, do you know anything about like what the Rogue Squadron is? Yes. We're going to get real deep.

So you know Rogue Squadron is what the thing that Luke Skywalker led in Empire Strikes Back was Red Squadron and New Hope. The theory is. could be one or two things, or maybe not either of them, but the most interesting idea that's floating around right now is, you know, at the beginning, well, at the end of a new hope, they blow up the Death Star, and they know exactly how to get into the Death Star. They have to have those plans. So this would be a prequel between the prequels and the first,

the normal trilogy, like literally Space Heist, starring a female fighter pilot from the Roads Squadron. No, it's, it's, it's Tower High. Dau Rized. Matthew Roderick. Well, you know, every movie is just die hard in a different structure, right? Hmm. Right?

Oh, God. What's the, with John Claude Van Damme on a boat? Do you know what I'm talking about? No. Under siege is die hard on a boat. Yeah. Speed is die hard on a bus. Every movie is die hard on a different thing.

Yeah. All good movies. All good movies are die hard in different locations. Sure. And this will be die hard in space. The other option is apparently that you know how they like deleted all of canon, like basically ruining the lives of every nerd imaginable because everybody's like, you're wasting your time.

And then it turned out they were because all the Star Wars stuff they read is no longer canonical. Yeah. The good thing is they reset that. They're doing new comic books. And this is again from this piece that everybody should go read on Uprocks, uh, that Princess Leia in between New Hope and Empire Strikes back. Are you sleeping on the microphones? Guys, you've got to love this.

I do love it. This is like, this is the nerd stuff. He's got, you're, you're with him. I was so there when everybody was talking about their boring watches that nobody's going to like. I know. I, and you're right. I should be more attentive. This is my conversation with my wife all, no, no, no, no.

I'm going to hear more about that. She's like, I listen to your stupid tech stuff. You need to listen to my whatever. Wow. You don't even remember what the topic is. What we've just heard is, definitely not paying attention to Michelle. No, definitely not. No.

That's great. That's going to be great. I'm just excited. It's going to be a thing. I know people are legitimately excited for this. I wasn't excited until this is the first thing. Like, I mean, you've heard me rant about, like, how I'm so put off by Disney's constant marketing machine. The idea of a space ice sounds great.

Yeah. I need more space ice in my life. I'm excited for this. What is the situation with Frozen? Is it part of this? So Frozen 2. Frozen is an ice heist. It's part of the Disney megastorm where they can announce things constantly.

Okay. And they officially announced something we knew would come. Frozen 2. Of course. And it's also taking over their theme part. Like, we were there in December, and it was like already... At Disney World? Yeah, at Disneyland.

A Disneyland. It was already starting to bleed in. But now they're like, gung-ho, we have to devote all resources to frozen. So what? They have, like, all new rides and stuff? They were kind of like remodeling some of the rides. I think that's the temporary fix. My guess is that you're going to have.

Oh, my gosh. It's totally a frozen adventure now. Do you know what Jungle Cruise does now for Christmas? No. They do Jingle Cruise. And, like, all the other rides, Disney, you know, are so well done for Christmas. Total revamps, like I kind of mentioned.

Jingle Cruise, they only put, like, boxes of Christmas presents in one area and like a Christmas, like, a Santa hat on one thing. Don't change anything else. Oh, my God. It's the, and Jungle Hood is the best. I'm looking at, trying to look at Frozen rides.

All right. I think we did it. We did it. We wrapped the show. Yeah. Is it time? Why don't we have Chris on not talk about Furious 7? Oh. They dropped real cars out of a plane. They did. They did. Chris,

hype check Furious 7. A hype times a billion. Are you kidding me? Are you singing this together? I will see it multiple times with anyone who wants to see it. And we have some, there are some exciting Furious 7. Plans in the work. Yeah.

It's going to be something. When is Frozen actually going to be out? Poor Emily will continue to look at us like we're crazy. Like literally when you're hiring Emily to be an entertainment editor, like the one as like you get complete control. I want you to like own as much of this as possible. If you touch her Furious 7, I will throw you off the roof. She's like, I understand. Okay. Engage. Do you want to do it or do do you want me to do it? I don't know how to do this part. I'm going to wrap the show. Okay. So that is the Vergecast. Thank you for listening. It's funny because it just says Ziegler here

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My favorite part was when you fell asleep while I was talking about Star Wars. I did last night. We got to go. We got to go. We have. Yeah. I'm making excuses. I'm dancing.

Chris is at a fake bar. I only texted me because nobody else could come to this. She's teeters at Southpice. So that's why I'm here. Okay. I love you all. Thank you for listening. That's the Vergecast. We'll see you next week. Bye.