The Vergecast - The 2024 Streaming Draft (live from SXSW)

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

The Verge's Nilay Patel, David Pierce, and Alex Cranz choose their picks for The Vergecast Streaming Draft of 2024 in front of a live audience at SXSW. Watch video version with a scoreboard on YouTube Email us at [e-mail] or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah. We're the only one. Yeah. You just got to take it. Yeah. You just got to take it and have it. I'm your friend, Nelai. That's Alex Cranz.

Hey, I'm your friend who's very happy to be in Texas. Yeah. Woohoo. Alex is from Texas. It's true. That's why I wore my little cowboy boots today. Where's your hat? It's up in Fort Worth. Where's your pickup truck?

Also in Fort Worth. Sorry. Very good. David Pierce is here. I have no cowboy hats. I wore a cowboy hat one time and literally a stranger told me I looked stupid in it. That's a true story. I think you'd look cute.

They were like trying to be nice, but it was very much a like, honey, like that's not for you. Take it off. And I just, that was the end of my cowboy hat face. It's fair. Were you wearing it in a cowboy hat appropriate situation? Evidently not. Were you like at the bank? I was in Austin.

Cowboy had appropriate. Well, it depends on where the bank is. Yeah, that's true. New York, no. No. Austin, kind of. Fort Worth, definitely. So you can see the Texas is coming out of Alex now.

We're learning things here. This is good. All right, so here's what we're going to do for this live birdshast. By the way, if you're listening to this in your car, we have an audience here at Southwest, makes noise, audience. Very good. I'm very excited for this ridiculous gimmick that David has come up with. It's very complicated.

what we're going to do, and then we're going to play this game, and David's going to play it at the end. We'll have some questions. But explain the game. Okay, so about a year ago, we were trying to figure out how to talk about the streaming world and like, who's up, who's down, who's winning, who's losing. So we did this draft, and we all basically picked a bunch of streaming services that are like hours for the year. And then everything changed, like immediately between recording that episode and putting

out that episode, the whole streaming world changed. So now we're going to do it again. We're going to go back. I've made it more complicated, and it's going to be much more. work for everybody and I'm the only one who can see everything so I'm going to win for sure. David's going to cheat. Yeah, he's cheating. But we need help from all of you a few times throughout this. First, telling us who is going to pick first. I'm going to explain the rules of the draft in a second. But the first thing we need to do is I'm going to recap last year and then y'all are going

to decide who won last year's draft and thus gets to go first. Does that sound good? Okay, cool. So last year, Nilai Patel ended up, we each ended up with five things. Neelai had TikTok, the Disney bundle, YouTube TV with Sunday ticket. I don't know why we gave you both of this. This is outrageous. I murdered. In retrospect, outrageous. There's zero percent chance that anyone did better than me in this draft. Go ahead. Apple Music and his friend Vippen's

Plex server, aka. Choice. Right to jail. Like, not even mine. I didn't pick Alex's weirdo Plex server. It's way better. Alex Kranz picked HBO Max, Wantwomp. Paramount Plus slash showtime. Oh. Channels, the app for watching

the internet. It still exists. That one's good. Criterion. It still exists. Apple One. Still exists? With that, I don't know how you got away with that one. Because you got Disney bundle. So you picked the bundle that includes ICloud?

It was basically music and Apple TV Plus. Yeah. That was the idea. And then Alex got a bonus pick because she spent the least money. And she picked Xbox Cloud Gaming, which was a choice. It was a very entertaining pick. I would pick all of those again in 2023. I don't recommend that.

My picks were YouTube premium, Peacock, Netflix, Discovery Plus, Womp, and Hulu with Live TV. So, I won. I know I just said a lot of things all in a row. Who thinks Nielai won the draft? Obviously. Nothing. Yes. In your face?

Because I talk to my shit. Who thinks Alex won the draft? Yes. Come on. Cheer. Yes. I saw that. I brought ringers.

Oh, my God. He's definitely. Who thinks? David won the draft. Katie Drummond clapped for me, so I won the draft. Okay, so the rules of this draft, Alex, you're going to get to go first because I think you actually won the draft. Thank you. Nilai, Deli came in last, is what we learned just now. That's the most important part, Neelai lost. This is brutal. So for this year, the new addition to the draft is we have categories. And you can't just pick anything. You have to fill the categories with draft picks.

And we have six categories. Like I said, this is going to be very complicated. You both have this on your phone, so you can check it as you'd like to. Can I have my phone out? The categories are cheap, which means it has to have a tier that costs under 10 bucks. Awards, which means the streaming service has to have won an Oscar, an Oscar, not something else, an Oscar. There's 4K, which is pretty self-explanatory. It has to have stuff in 4K, which rules out a surprising number, but we can talk about that. Live, which means it has to have some live stuff.

Niche, which means it has to be something very specific, and we can litigate that as we can. This is the Alex Cran's memorial category. And then there's wildcard. which is anything you want. Yeah. So we're not going in category order, but there are going to be six rounds of the draft, and it is your job to fill out all six categories

over the course of the draft. Oh, my God. Sound good? Everybody feel good? Yeah. All right. Alex Kranz, you're up first. So you have to pick a service and a category.

Okay, I'm going to go 4K for my first one, and I'm going to choose Netflix. Okay. Because I've gotten really into K dramas, and they've got a lot on there. Strong. And also other, it's Netflix. So here's my proposed wildcard edition to this draft.

Oh, good. Every time anyone says a streaming service, we have to rank how close to death the streaming service is on the Go-90 scale of Doom streaming. Because it turns out several of them last year were very close to it. So if you are in our audience, you don't know what the Go-90 scale of Doom streaming services is. Verizon, which is a cell phone carrier, launched, that's just an important fact along this road, launched a competitor YouTube called Go-90. This is ages ago. The competitor featured the ability to turn your phone sideways to why. watch videos and landscape, which Verizon tried to brand Going 90.

This is a real thing that happened from one of our nation's largest companies. They also had features in it called join a crew because they thought the youth would like gang-related terminology in their video apps. This is all real. I'm not making this up. It quickly failed. I can't even tell you how fast to fail. It went 90.

Much like Quibi, another service that was predicated upon turning your phone to watch videos and landscape. So we have the go 90 scale of Doom streaming services. So Zero is alive. 90 is dead. So Alex, where is Netflix on the Go 90 scale of Doom streaming service? Okay, I'm about to be really honest. I mainly picked it so neither of you could pick it.

Because I actually... There's a lot of gamesmanship in this show. Yeah, it's all about beating them and feeling good about myself. So I actually think it's like a 40. 40. Because I think they have a lot of programming problems and they need to improve it. Like, I like the K-Dramas. but I don't know if everyone else likes the

Wait, but Alex, I would remind you that the scale is not Like the suckiness scale of its program Yeah, no, but I... It's the scale of does it exist? In a year. Yeah. Okay. We don't have to say in a year.

Is it like, yeah, does it exist? How close to death in this moment? Right. Hmm. I still think like... 40. I kind of want to say 40. I'm out there like, I think Netflix has some issues.

I feel like at this moment in time, it's appropriate to do our disclosures. I produced a Netflix show. Very good. It's all the future of you should watch it. Our company has a significant investment in it from NBC Universal, which is owned by Comcast. They don't like us very much at all, given our coverage of Comcast.

We make other television shows for other services at our company, and I personally watch television. Yes. Quite a bit. Alex does you, but only illegally, so it's fine. Yeah, yeah. We don't have to disclose that.

Yeah, we all have Apple products. It's a very important disclosure. Go ahead. All right. I'll let you go next because I'm feeling magnanimous today. What's your first? Reverse serpentine order. Yeah. All right, I'm starting where I started last year. TikTok. Which category? Cheap. Famous Oscar winning TikTok. TikTok is notably cheap.

Okay. It's funded entirely by subsidies from the Chinese government and extremely crap garbage that is sold on a TikTok shop. You did see the ban bill that. was passed. Oh, yeah, TikTok currently is in the last 2040. Yeah, it's a fantastic. TikTok is about it in 89. Okay. It is the close, it is the most alive thing that has ever been that close to death in the history of streaming services. The most alive thing. Okay. Right. Sure. It is the whole go 90 scale all at once.

Yeah. It just, it is the full spectrum of going 90. Have you ever seen those TikToks where it's like turn your phone slowly as the plane flies? It's that. It's that thing. Can I, this fact about TikTok today is, To me, very funny. Semaphore just had this reporting. So TikTok had a full-screen, unkillable splash screen on load that said, call your representative yesterday.

And the only things you could do were force-quit the app or call your representative. You had no other choices. Like, if you wanted to engage with TikTok, those were your choices. So Capitol Hill was flooded with calls from angry teens,

and there was one quote from one congressional office. Our offices are flooded with calls from angry teens and boomers who spend all day on the app. It really expands the definition of TikTok there. I just love a bunch of teens being like, this is the first phone call I've made in my life. Yeah. Give me TikTok.

I need this. So you would think that this would work. Other apps have famously done this. Uber famously did this to get preferential treatment in cities around the world during the Uber time. This utterly backfired on TikTok. Congressional Republicans, the bill sailed through to basically punish apps.

of the carry TikTok, that's how they're going to do it. They're saying this is, you know, the stuff that congressional Republicans say, China's bad in the accent. And the quote they gave to semaphore was, we're worried the Chinese government is programming our teenagers' minds, and this is proof. Because they got all the teens to call.

I mean, it's very good. The teens did call. They did. They did program the teens to call. And for some reason, they're all speaking Mandarin. It's a very good reason. Yeah, it's crazy. Anyway, so it's an 89,

but I'm taking it first off the board. I feel good about it. Okay, fair enough. What about you? I'm torn. Apple TV won an Oscar. It did. That's a thing that happened.

Yeah, for Coda. I'm going to take Apple TV Plus in the awards category for my first pick. I hate you, but good. I think there's a decent chance that is going to be the most complicated category. Because it turns out not a lot of Oscars in those. I'm taking that one. On the Go-90 scale, it's like a six. Yeah.

Like Apple just has all the money in the universe. and Eddie Q. just like hangs out in L.A. and does whatever he wants. Yeah. Tim Cook likes Ted Lassow. Yeah. He's like friends with Leonel Messi now.

That's like it's great. Yeah. I will say that Apple keeps claiming that its movies make money and they definitely don't. Well, it was great because there was... They do make money. Just they don't profit.

Yeah. Right. And it was one of those things where they were like, we spent all this money on, you know, a handful of huge movies, Killers of Flower, Moon, and a couple of others,

famously invested like $700 million into a few movies. And they're like, but they're super profitable. And there were a bunch of people who are like, you know we can see the box office data, right? Like, it's just right there. And it's just adding three numbers that don't come anywhere near 700 million. But like, whatever.

Apple's fine. Yeah, Apple's fine. I'm not worried about Apple TV Plus making a profit for Apple. I will say that everyone says it's the best one. Like, people are like it. It's the new HBO. And my fundamental belief is like some things are very good. And then the things that are very bad are some of the most comically bad things

anyone has ever spent money on. Like Apple, you can't open an Apple TV right now without it being like, you're going to watch Argyle. And it's like, no, I'm not. Like, I read the reviews of Argyll. I've seen other people react to the concept of Argyll. I saw Argyll in theaters. What is wrong with me?

I don't know. You have a child. Yeah, he was asleep. It was fine. Did you pay for a babysitter? No, I, the honestly, I went alone. The honestly true story is, I did.

Oh, my God. My wife is doing grader. school again because she collects master's degrees. I had nothing to do while she was in class and my child was asleep. And so I was like, I'm going to go to a movie. And the literal only thing playing at the time that I wanted to see it was Argyle. Should I watch it for free and Apple TV Plus? This is what I mean.

The hit rate is good. Argyle is a movie to watch. It's a solid consistent. In like the last 25 minutes of a plane ride when you land and you're kind of like, oh, I should finish that eventually and then you never do. Like that's Argyll. So, okay, I've had this idea. Tell me if this is a good idea or better.

We review movies, this thing we do with The Verge. And that's fine. And most movies are reviewed it on like the tomato meter scale or like five stars. I have a long thought we need to build a product that just tells you where to watch a movie. Right? That's the actual ranking. It's like, should you spend money on this? You mean like physically in the world?

Physically take your body to Argyle alone while your child is sleeping? No. See? Answered right there. Should you wait to pay for it when you can buy it or rent it in the first window? No. The answer for all of it's like a hard nose. What's at the bottom of that, like on your phone?

Seat back on Delta one at time at Starbucks. Yeah. That's the... In one minute clips on TikTok. Yes. Perfect. Wouldn't this be like vastly more useful than star ratings? If I was just like, this movie is good enough to watch on a jet blue flight

where you're a little bit hungover. Like that's all the end. We're going to roll this out. Okay, wait. Now I want to know what is the movie that you've seen the most of, exclusively in one minute TikTok clips. Moneyball. Okay.

The TikTok algorithm is like, you are going to watch Moneyball today. Is it Sully? Is that what it's called? The one where Sully lands the plane? With the plane? I think it is Sully. I never learned because I only see.

That is a hard movie to watch in one minute clip. Only, yeah, they only want to show me like the plane landing. I get actually over and over again. Similarly, I get a lot of flight with Denzel Washington, which is a very intense movie to watch in the form of one minute TikTok. Yeah. I'm just going to call this one.

Mine is real steel, by the way, the one where Hugh Jackman fights robots. Perfect. Can I call it just my favorite new podcast right now? There's a producer, Aspination, who has a podcast called The Irishman. I don't know if you ever finished this project, but he was watching all of the Irishman, which is a three and a half hour movie in one minute increments, and then making a four-minute podcast about that every single day. That's fantastic.

And he calls the MINS, and he's like, this Min was really hard to watch. He only watched a min It is unclear whether he's going to do Killers of a Flower Min I want that It'll take six months to do that I love that Okay are we are we snake drafting

Or are we going back to the top Snake drafting Snake drafting, all right so I get to go again Wait, I hate this I know this is great news for me Let's see I'm going to go to the live category And I'm going to pick Amazon Prime video

Which has football Which is live So that's good Wait are you doing with the 399 Yeah, you do an ads or no ads? Yeah. Ads. I'm fine with ads.

Okay. It's because you're buying it for football. Not fine with the ads on the fire TV where you turn on your TV and it's like, would you like to watch some ads? No, thank you. But you're taking it for football. No, I get it because of football. But I'm taking it because, frankly, of Mr. and Mrs. Smith, which picks ass and I would

like that show. So you're like backing into the category because there's like one low rent AFC game a week. And that's, okay. Al Michaels gets me this one. So I'm happy. There you go. I'll allow it. Thank you.

And I now have the two that are never going to die because they're funded by billionaires who don't care. It's perfect. Fair. Fair enough. Okay. There's only one more of those left on this list. We'll come back to that. It's going to be all right.

Wait, how does the serpentine? Does this mean that means Neli's up? I hate this. And then you get two in a row. Okay. Do you get ever in a row? No. You get none in a row.

So you really do. We actually deliberately did this to screw over Neli. Okay. Then it's all great. But don't tell him we said that. I'm still going to win this draft. Yeah, we'll see. I'm going to do it with my next pick.

Okay. Which is the Disney bundle, which is unbeatable. Wait, what is the Disney bundle? Is it Disney and ESPN and Hulu? Yeah. And in India, Hot Star. Okay. The cricket fans out there.

Yeah. Do we allow bundles? Hmm. I feel like bundles shouldn't be allowed this time. It's hard to buy Disney without Bob Iger coming to your house and be like, you're going to get Hulu. Just take it. That's actually sort of true.

It is genuinely easier to get the bundle. Also, Hulu is now integrated into the Disney app itself. You know the app for families It's like here's the handsmaid sale Yeah But what are you taking it for? Are you taking it for live Are you taking it?

Yeah, what's your category? We're taking it for Bluey Like dead ahead That's not a category. I just built like an insane home theater And I talk about this For Bluey? For Bluey

Like what is watched in this thing is Bluey It's very good Okay All right Yeah so can I Max rolls up to the TV Huge TV on the wall And she tries to scroll it

which is wild because it's bigger than her. Oh, wow. So she's just like, come on. What does she think is going to happen? She thinks I'm going to use the remote and then get what she wants. She's five. Fair enough. By the way, Disney is, I believe, at a 30 on the Go 90 scale.

The whole bundle. Disney. I'm putting out all the Disney. Oh, just the company. Okay. And that's 10 for, no one knows what's going on with Marvel. Okay. Just some weird stuff there.

10 for no one, they've got a big debt load with Hulu and all this other stuff. They got to do that. And then 10, because Max made me watch a series of movies called The Descendants. They're so bad. It's the villains of Disney movies, all have had children, and then they dance fight to bring their cities together. No, that sounds great. And they made three of these things. Wait, is that the one they made after the Hunger Games?

And they were like, this is kind of like that. And then it was awful. And they were like, don't worry. I don't want to talk about it. that's the rest of this podcast. It's more hard pivoting to descendants more. It's very bad in that, to me, I think, moves Disney closer to death than not. I do feel like you have to add like five or six more points for just like Bob Eager might

literally just burn it down on the way out. You might be like, I'm actually retiring this time and just torch Disney. Yeah. Okay, well, what category do you want that in? I believe it qualifies for everything you have available except for niche because Yeah, it's definitely not niche. No. I'm going to put Disney, the bundle in awards.

I think the awards category is the hardest to fill, is my feeling. Hulu won an Oscar. You can have it. I believe Disney, the Disney Corporation has been several. Not Disney Plus, though. I don't think any Disney Plus originals are tearing it up at the award shows, right? Oh, come on. High school musical, the musical series, like crushing it.

Give it a sound design Oscar. That's probably true. All right, Alex, you get two picks now. Okay, I get two picks. I've done 4K. Correct. So I need cheap. So for cheap, I'm going to go Peacock. Okay.

Because they got the live stuff. Yep. You could watch the State of the Union if you wanted to on Peacock. You got the Olympics are coming and stuff like that. That's true. It's actually a good year to have Peacock. And it's like it's mad cheap. Okay.

It's very affordable. But for... It's also where I watch Parks and Recreation. So it's very important to my life. Yeah, I know. This was again, I knew you had picked it last year. So I wanted to... It was going to be my next pick.

You're welcome. That was right there. Thank you for that. You got you. And then, ooh, what are the other categories again? You still have awards, live, niche, and wildcard. See, those are all so easy to fill, I feel like. One substantially less so.

I'm going to save awards for last. I've got a good, I've got one in the pocket for awards. Okay. But I'm going to go niche this time. I'm going to go crunchy roll. Ooh. Wait, did you rank your last one? Oh, no, I have to rank it.

You're right. You're right. Peacock. Ooh. I think that's like a. like a 20. 20? Yeah.

You think Netflix is more likely to die than Peacock? Yeah. You think Disney is more likely to die in Peacock? Peacock is in danger of just directly being forgotten about. Yeah, but it's growing. Just straight up, the Roberts family that owns Comcast is like, we did Peacock. Who named this? Yeah.

Nobody knows it exists, but it's still like there. I think it's like the sixth most subscribed like platform right now for streaming platforms. So, like, people are doing it. Mainly, it's David and other people who want to watch Parks and Rec. Yeah. And so, so, yeah. And I feel like Parks and Rec is really going to, like, let it survive in a way that Netflix can't because Netflix doesn't own it. Just a direct subscription to Parks and Rec.

Yeah. Yeah. First of all, I would pay for that for the rest of my life. Same. Yeah. But also, Netflix has suits, Neelai's favorite show on television. I'll start hissing at you. I don't know if I've told this story on the podcast.

I have a niece nephew there in college. They're doing great. And they hit their first. exams in their freshman year of college. And my niece, who wants to be a, she wants to do forensics. So she's a chem major. She texted me and said, what's law school like? Because she had encountered her first, like, chem exams.

And I was like, what is going on here? Like, this is a hard, don't go to law school first of all. Just like, blanket advice. And she's like, well, I've been watching a lot of suits. And I was like, this is a danger to America. Like, this dumb show. But wait. Is like single-handedly taking women out of STEM.

The point of the show is that the guy doesn't go to law school. Yeah. So why would you want to go to law school watching me? The point of the show is also that it rots your brain and soul with every passing minute. So I just like suits. I don't know if it's coming through. You love it. I've watched several episodes of the show.

The other thing everybody should know is Neely I auditioned for suits. I didn't get it. We're the Megan Markle roll actually. It was a weird callback. They're like, can you fit in this dress. It's like, not at all. Just a little. All right, so that was...

Yeah, all right. So we were like hard diverged into... Yeah, sorry, sorry. So Peacock, you think, is less close to death than Netflix. Yeah, because Peacock is an entertainment company. Like, I fully believe that companies that are built on entertainment are going to have their streaming services probably survive longer than the companies who are built around tech,

because the tech companies are trying to make art like technology. And that's just... There's a lot of similarities. between those two, but there's a lot of things that are not similar. Yeah, Netflix is like, can we algorithmically recreate a movie? Right, and that's dumb. Yeah. Whereas, like, Peacock's like, can we make Poker Face?

And that's cool. I mean, four people watched it. I was one of them, but I bet a bunch of people in the crowd. It's very good, though. Yeah, poker face was great. That's the only one that like you're anybody else. For the audience in the car, there was dead silence from the crowd. Shh!

We can put that in post. We can put that in post. Yeah, I fully believe in Peacock. All right. Crunchy roll, go 90s go. Crunchy roll. Ooh, that one's harder because they just are like, they're killing off a lot of stuff over there, right?

Every time Zazlov like notices, he owns a company. He's like, no, Crunchyroll is Sony. That's the anime. Is it owned it by Sony? Sony. Sony. Sony merged it with a company. This is a real name of a company.

Funimation. Oh, yeah, Funimation's from my hometown. Super cool. Can you imagine the meeting where they had to decide whether to keep Crunchy Roll or Funimation? It's very good. So yeah, Sony owns both of them. They merged them together. They got rid of the digital purchases.

That was a big outroar, one of those words. So Crunchyroll, but they're just on Max then. They just like have a license. Yeah, they're doing the distribution thing. Okay. Well, ooh, that changes it a little on the Go 90 scale, right? If there doesn't have the specter. Well, it depends on how much you think touching HBO Max immediately brings you closer to death.

Like, if you acknowledge HBO Max, like, are you closer to death? That's true. That's true. So 10 points because it was on HBO Max. So it's been like acknowledged by that. 10 points because it's owned by Sony and Sony also often forgets it owns things. And then 10 points for the weeps. I'm a weep.

I'm a hope that's not a whole. So you're, you're coming to 40? No, I'm at 30. That's just 30. All right? Okay. So still less likely to die than Netflix. Yeah, exactly.

This all makes perfect. Anime fans are hardcore. Yeah, they are hardcore. Sure. We just had the president of Crunchroll and Decoder. And he was like, we're ready to go. He was very excited about anime. Like that thing started for just like people who wanted a pirate anime from overseas.

And then they were like, what if we just make ourselves legit? What if we sold it to them instead? And they did. And it's like, cool. That's awesome. I support you, Crunchyroll. All right. I'd love it.

All right. Neal, you're up. And now I'm looking at my list here. All right. I'm going to fill out 4K last. Oh. You feel very confident that I can fill out 4K last and get ahead. So I'm going to go with wild card.

Okay. And I am picking HP. Max, my friends. First of all, it's just called Max. Well, if you want to pick HBO Max, that's fine. Yeah, yeah. I'm actually good with that. I take it back.

You can pick HBO. I refuse to call the streaming service by the name of my daughter. We're going full Warner Brothers, owned and affiliated HBO Max. Okay. You know, the whole name. By the way, David and I, do you have your tote bags?

When you come to South by South West, you register and they give you a tote bag. The tote bags are sponsored by Paramount Plus and by HBO Max. So you get to pick one. Everybody has to pick one. Who picked the Paramount Plus one in this? I think you know who on the stage.

Five people who picked the HBO Max one. That's every now. People holding them up. So David and I got our toad. Like 90% for max. So we asked all of the people getting out of the tote bags. And they all try to be really diplomatic.

They're like, it's about half and half with the HVo Max one's really good. And then one woman, this is a real thing. This is reporting. You cannot cancel me for this. This is a quote. I'm a little worried about this quote. Oh, no.

I was there for this. I can, this is a true thing that was said to us. and then I just backed away from this situation. One of them said to us, the ladies are taking the Paramount one because the logo is prettier. Ooh.

See, I didn't say that. I didn't make that up. Someone else said that to me, and I'm just reporting to you what was said. And I guarantee you this was said to us just to even out the idea that everyone was taking the HBO Maxx one. Yes.

Because the first person was like, oh yeah, it's the Max ones. And then it was like, it's fine. They're both great. It's like 50-50. Don't worry about it. And then there was somebody two seats down who was like, what if I make some shit up

about the logo being here and here? That was like very much how this was going. Anyway, I took the HBO Max bag to give to my daughter Max and then promptly forgot it. Aw. That's fine. She'll be fine. She knows her. I hope so. HVo Max, by the way, also at an 80

on the Go 90 scale of doom streaming services. How do you measure that? How do you get those points? Well, I don't think you have to add them up. That 80 is a real vibe. Yeah. That's just the looming presence of day. David Zasloff in his decision-making. He just looks over and he's like, what's that?

Chewlett. HVo Max, as you know, a product of a doomed merger with AT&T, in which AT&T convinced a federal judge that this was, quote, a vision deal, and that the vision was they would put short versions of Game of Thrones on Android phones. Oh, yeah. That would have ruled. In our nation's justice system looked at this and was like, sick. Yeah, because it would have been cool. It's like a real thing that happened.

Do you ever say a sentence out loud and be like, that can't? It can't possibly be true. There's no way that thing I just said is real. It's super happened. They're like, the division is we're going to preload stuff on mid-range Android phones and it's going to be Game of Thrones Clubs. That didn't pan out, as many of you may have noticed at all fall apart. They've got an enormous amount of debt. And what they have is a lot of AT&T customers who can't quit HBO Max. I'm one of these people. I'm grandfathered into an HBO Max plan. And so I cannot put this in the 4K category. because my AT&T account no longer knows about HBO Max

and I can't leave whatever version of the service I'm currently subscribed to, which no longer has 4K. That sounds right. These are some of the biggest, most sophisticated companies in our country, and they're like, our database forgot about you. But they'll keep charging you. Don't worry about that.

They will keep charging you. They're definitely going to keep charging me. So I believe, yeah, the wildcard. Would the 4K have even been good, though, coming from Max? Excuse me, HBO Max. No, no, no, no, definitely not. It would have been bad. I watched, what's the one where they fight, let them fight?

Godzilla. That's how my brain works. I'd watch that in their version of Atmos and Vision. Yeah. And it was like, what if we do this at two bits per second? Yeah. It was just like a series of shapes and colors and noises, you know? Beautiful.

Like a baby toy was just like happening. And then the one guy was like, let them fight. It's good. That's how you want to experience Godzilla. Love that. Yeah. All right. I can't believe no one has picked YouTube yet. I feel obligated to pick YouTube. Wait, YouTube TV or YouTube Premium? Well, so I'm going to put YouTube in cheap, so neither.

Oh, I'm getting full YouTube with ads. All the ads. Like, every single ad you can imagine. That is the worst choice on this list. I'm going to watch. YouTube with ads is the worst choice on this list. No, I disagree. We'll see. That's a good choice. That's how I watch YouTube now. I'm logged in, so I get recommendations. All right.

But I have to watch all the ads. I get mad at it. people who have ads now on YouTube. That's a thing that has happened to recently. But I'll get over it. I think in the drafts, I will get over. The best deal in streaming. Yes, I agree with that.

But I don't get to have it. But you're going ads. I'm going, I'm going YouTube. You're just going straight American cheese. Other cheeses are available, but just slices in the mouth. Just want it. Just give it to me.

Okay, so that's the end of round three. YouTube is a zero on the Go 90 scale. Yeah, it's fine. Feel very good about that. It's the only part of Google that feels like it knows what it's doing. It might be the only thing left on the internet at the end of all of this. It's just YouTube and The Verge, and that'll be it. It'll be great.

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Framer.com slash verge. Rules and restrictions may apply. Okay, so we are at the end of round three. We're halfway through the draft. Alex so far has Peacock, Netflix, and Crunchyroll. Yeah. Neely has TikTok, the Disney bundle, and Max. I have YouTube, Apple TV, and Prime Video.

I think it's very clear who is currently in third place. but we'll leave that alone for now. I'm in first. Wow. Just wait. Yeah, we're doing fine. I'm crud. Okay, so for round four, I get to go again, which I am not prepared for.

What are your left? Have you been cheating this whole time? No. Is this just like you hustling us? You're like, I don't know how to play pool. He's just moving everything around. He's giving himself Netflix, giving himself back. I did briefly give Neli two of my picks, so that was confusing.

You're doing great. So I have 4K niche and wildcard left. Okay. And I think I can't do any of the 4K ones I know of anymore. So that's bad. Does 2B count as niche? What do we think? No.

No. 2B is like what happens when you turn on. I got a yes from the audience. That's just you don't know a 2B. 2B is like mainstream free ad supported. Alex loves these things. Yeah, it's just free ad supported television. It's got all of the stuff.

You just made that sound very boring and very niche. That's kind of my point. No, no, because it's got, well, no way I can describe it as going to support them. I'm just saying, like, if you, you're one of these boomers and you get off TikTok, you're only eight hours of TikTok in the day, and you go turn on your, the cheapest TV that you bought it at Best Buy, you're watching Tooby. Like, it's just happening to you. Yeah, that is probably true.

I don't mean that to denigrate. You could use Pluto. TikTok riddled boomers that populate the middle of the country. I am one of them. I mean to say that that is a thing that happens on TVs by default, and that makes it not mainstream. Fair enough. All right. Well, then I won't take that.

I will take Criterion. Yeah, that's much more appropriate. Yeah, that feels right. Yeah. It's like in the 20s on the scale, I would say. like I want it to continue to exist. And so do lots of people. I think Criterion wants it to continue to exist. But like maybe all of Criterion will not exist forever. Cameron wants it to exist. Yes.

Therefore, it will exist. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. It's like the letterbox app where like it'll be fine because Martin Scorsese uses it. So like, push comes to shove. It's going to be all right. All right. So I'm taking a criterion. That's my pick.

Niela, you're up. You have three categories remaining. You have 4K, live, and niche. Those are your three. YouTube TV a Sunday ticket. I don't think you understand that I'm just recapitulating my draft that already won this thing. You two nerds are like, what do we do with Discovery Plus? Like, I'm just like straight America.

But it didn't win. Huh? You didn't win. Well, yeah, you objectively did. In fact, I won. So I'm just coming in again. I'm just saying. Alex, I like to think that we have a good relationship.

In this situation, I would like to just directly gaslight you and say that I won. All right, what are you going to do? No, you chose YouTube TV a Sunday ticket is a straight zero. Yeah. Like, you can't. You're fighting the service that delivers Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey to millions of Americans every week. It's fine. It is the fastest growing cable service in America.

It has the most stuff because it's a cable service. And it has the full backing of our nation's military slash NFL. I mean, it bought a decade of football, which means it bought a decade of existing. Yeah. Yeah. So for 10 years, it's a zero. 11 years.

Or until they break up. But from the reports I've read, it suggests that he's in Singapore right now. So I think things are, and that, you know, they both discussed taking the next step. What do you think I'm not following this? I'm like crazy? I run a culture publication. All right.

So that's yours. And I want you to know that I'm giving you YouTube TV because it is a separate product from YouTube. Yes. But if you now try to just be like YouTube TV but not Sunday ticket, no. Yeah. Nilai, no.

I don't know what you're arguing with or who you're arguing with, but you've won. I have played these games with you before. Yes. And I'm now directly guest letting you. There we go. Okay. Alex, you're up.

You get two now. Okay. I get two, I get two in a row again. You get two picks. Wow. What's left for me? How do you not know how this was? I don't know.

I didn't be doing. Your three left are awards, live, and wildcard. Okay. I'm saving awards for last. Okay. I've got a good one for that one. I know you're very excited about this. I know.

So I've got live. Live and Wildcard. And Wildcard. Ooh. That's tricky. So live, I'm going to go channels again. Okay. It worked last time.

Explain to the people what channels. Okay. So channels is an app. It's like a DVR app. You can plug it into your cable if you still subscribe to clip cable you can plug it into an antenna and then you just DVR every it also gets all the fast channels yeah gets all the fast channels so you can go and like just have your Pluto and have your tube to be and then have your ABC and all of your other I think it was

you that described it to me as like an RSS reader for TV which I found very compelling that's like the nerdiest possible thing but it's awesome and it's sick the guys like very actively developing it it's got a really pretty UI I just I just dig the hell out of it I use it a lot Okay. So I'm going to go with that for my life because it gives me all of my lives. And then my wild card, I think this one's really obvious. It's going to be Paramount because, you know, it's like it's an 89 on the go 90 scale. Yeah, the most 89.

Yeah, channels is like a zero because I don't think you can't kill RSS. Yeah, you can't kill RSS. But Paramount Plus is definitely like an 89. It's as close as you can get until like they sell it in a couple of weeks. whatever. So, but yeah, I think it's a good wild card. It's a fun. I like, I enjoy the cowboys and I enjoy the live stuff and I enjoy the Star Trek. So it like, it gets everything for me. And that wasn't enough to keep a streaming service alive. No, Cowboys and Star Trek. You would think it would have been in 1966. And unfortunately, me and the boomers are the only ones that still watch it. But,

but, you know, it'll get merged with Peacock or something. So, I'll have it all together again. There is a really good article about the demise of Paramount Plus that just talks about the sheer hubris, which with this product was launched. It's beautiful. Where they were like, well, we don't have a lot of stuff, but we've got CBS, we've got Star Trek and we have Taylor Sheridan. And everyone's like, that's not enough stuff. Like, do you know how much stuff Netflix has? They're like, no, no, no, no, CBS.

It turned out that the group. I mean, it worked for them for like, what, 30 years as a broadcast network? CBS was the most watched broadcast network. So they're like, yeah. When you're one of only three things that exists to watch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

When they had like a monopoly, kind of like a pseudo-monopoly, they crushed it. Yeah. And more competition came and they're in 89. Yeah, it gets tougher when you're on the 90. Channel 2. One thing single-handly keeping CBS live, this is a true story. Alex is addicted to 60 minutes. Yes.

She walks into our newsroom at least twice a week and is like, I saw this thing in 60 minutes. And all of us have to be like, well, definitionally, Alex, that means it happened eight months ago. It's true. I love it. It's my favorite show. It just gives you a really good insight into what CBS wants boomers to think about.

Yeah. And I love that. I want to know that too. Yeah. It's a good time. All right. Leslie Stahl. I mean, oh, my God.

I could talk about her for hours, but we don't have that much time to go. We don't. Yeah. You're up next. You're up next. I think about South by Southwest. I think about Leslie Stahl.

Yeah. Leslie Stahl fan girling. We've really. Yeah, exactly. David. You're up next. Oh, it's me. Crap.

All right, I've got two left, right? Yes. 4K and niche. Well, this next one can go into either one. Okay. I'm picking my new favorite streaming service. Bravia Core. Oh, God.

The streaming service only available on Select Sony. I just instantly lost the draft. Congratulations. It has four movies on it, and they all look amazing. They're all Spider-Man. It streams and 80 megabits per seconds out of control. Sony owns no movies. It owns no IP.

It's just like old Spider-Man movies. you have to set the TV to allow it to stream at like this level of bandwidth. You have to like call your cable company you're like listen, it's about to get weird. Two hours. So this is a true fact. Sony is like such a big disconnected company.

They make the TVs. Only the TV support the streaming service. They did not put an Ethernet port on the TVs that is fast enough to support the streaming service. So you either have to use Wi-Fi or you have to buy a USB to Ethernet adapter. Like a US, this is a trip. So I did it.

It's great. I love it. I've never had more fun in my life not watching movies and instead configuring the settings of my TV. It's very good. So where is it on the Go 90s? It's like a zero, right? Oh, Sony loves this thing. Yeah, they're never getting rid of it. Yeah, if you've ever wanted to watch Ghostbusters 2 in the most pristine quality of your entire life. Like, you can see every 4. I did. I did it so. I watched the shit out of Ghostbusters 2. And I showed it to other people and they were like, why are we watching Ghostbusters 2? Like 4K IMAX right now. You don't have to pick this.

You know that, right? No one from Sony is like back there. You have choices. You have choices. There's a lot. In the free, the glorious state of Texas, I'm exercising my free market rights as an American to pick Bropia core, the best streaming service that is the weirdest to use,

that has a credit system that makes no sense. Sometimes it just forgets that it gave you. It's all very bad, but it's all glorious. Like, I want every one of these services to offer me, like, stream a Blu-ray to me. And that's what David's just looking at me. He's like, you should stop talking. Horrified.

It's good. I just always thought it was a bit when you would come in and be like, I watched a movie on Braviacore. And now I'm like, oh no, Neelai loves Braviacore. I do. It's real. You have like a little monitor to show it so it always shows you what the bitrate is? Do you think I don't have the Eero app on my phone open showing me how fast the internet speed

is going on the TV while I watch something like Zero Dark 30 again? You actually don't watch Zero Dark 30. It's just up there while you watch. watch your ERO app. And then, I've told this story before, if you watch Zero Dark 30 and then you have a small child who is not compliant about eating, you start accidentally saying torture words

to your small child. She's like, Zero Dark 30 is like very intense. And then the next day I was like, your behavior determines how you're treated. She's like, I'm not eating the apples. Don't do that. Just like, don't do that to your child. All right.

Now it's me. You've got one left? I have two left, but I get to do them both right now. Oh, wow. which feels like a lot of pressure. So I'm going to pick 2B for 4K because I just now, the second, confirmed that there is at least one 4K thing on 2B

and it's a fireplace video. It's like a Yule log situation. But it counts. It's 4K and it's on 2B, so I get to have it. So that's going in 4K. Okay. Pretty psyched about it. I should have picked 2B for a different one.

I did this draft poorly. Yeah. As it has turned out. Here at the end, we're just picking stuff. But we're coming around. It could have been fine. I just realized all of my wildest. cards were gone two rounds ago, so it's been like kind of messing with me for a while.

But it's okay. So I'm picking Tooby, which I actually think is like 30 somewhere in that range on the scale. It's like doing really well. It's like sneakily very popular. Also Fox has no other streaming anything to do. So they just give everything to Tooby. But also Tooby's whole thing was it's free and there's ads and that's where everybody else is going. Yep. So that could be bad. And so now they're like, what if we had to happen to you? Yeah. They're like, now they're like, well, we have to get some good content. How do we do that?

It's like, oh, no. Welcome to everyone else's hell from the last. Well, they just go to like Zazlov and they're like, hey, is there any show you want to cancel? And can we just like, buy the other words? He's like, no, tax cuts. Absolutely not. I got to put it in the vault. Can't have it.

Yeah. That was my Zazlov. That was perfect. You know, it was great because I actually don't know what David Zazloff sounds like. That, exactly. She nailed it. She was working on it. Put it in the vault.

Yeah. What's the other one? I think for my wild card, I think I'm taking Instagram reels. Which feels insane, as I say at Al- You can't. You know, he can't, if you choose TikTok,

he can absolutely choose the TikTok clone. TikTok doesn't have pictures. Instagram famous. Hey, TikTok has slideshows now. The slideshows are effectively a form of video. Videos are just pictures all in a row. When does the slideshow become a video? Let's talk about this.

Like, what is it? If I go through my PowerPoint really fast, embed a video? You were swipe a TikTok harassol at 24 frames for a second? It's called persistence of vision, Pierce, entry tech journalist. No, I'm giving it to me.

I think, by the way, taking Tobe and Instagram Reels back to back is just the saddest man. It feels great. Those are the last two cars in the rental lot. Do you know how much content I have now.

All the good stuff. You know how much repurposed garbage from other people's platforms? He's getting TikTok. I literally just got TikTok. Like five rounds after you. Which is perfect. You're going to see everything and then two weeks later I'm going to see it. That's great. I'm super

happy for you. With the same UI too. Yeah. I'm psyched about it. Under yours. I think this is great. But I also, I really feel like we started with like things that have won Oscars and we're all the way down at things that unironically call themselves content and that's this is the spectrum that I have created. I'm very proud of it. Support for the show comes from Upwork. The days of doing it all, all by yourself, are over.

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Crap, I wasn't prepared. Your last one is niche. This is all you have left. So David just updated the spreadsheet with the word Sony Bravia Corp. And somehow Google Docs transmitted his disdain. The last category I have left is niche. Correct. Which is tough here.

I... You are not allowed to take a flex service. Okay, I know. I know what I'm going to do. I feel weird about it. I'm going to say it. It's only because my father-in-law is at my house, and he has been watching this streaming service nonstop since he arrived.

Motor Trend TV. Tell us about Motor Trend TV. A Motor Trend TV is an app that plays Motor Trend content at you. Uh-huh. If you are interested, in older cars being turned into nicer cars. Do I have an app for you, my friends?

Have you ever thought about watching a show where some dudes go to a car auction? That's it? That's the whole... Do they bid or do they just go? Well, they talk about whether they would bid. It is just worth it. It's very much like PBS, but with cars. You know, I also find a captivate.

I'm a car nerd. I just can't... The duration is currently being displayed in my home is really quite something. And so just for the family. I'm doing this. And this is like a thing you can turn on and it just keeps happening at you. Yeah.

It is like a full grid guide of Motor Trend content. Fair enough. Yeah. It is niche. Yeah, it's the most. Yeah, that counts. I'm pretty certain my father-in-law

is keeping this service afloat. Yeah, it's just him. Is this Motor Trend one word or two words? It's one word. One word, but two words. Like TV is a different word. You know what I'm saying? Motor Trend TV.

Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Okay. That's not what I thought you were going to say. What do you think I was going to say? I had something other than that. So many choices.

I was really excited to find out. Yeah, I was really thinking about, like, what's at the bottom of my Apple TV grid? And then, uh, the, oh, that's interesting. It's just a, it's a wasteland of gone nine. Mine is like BBC America. Yeah. And like a PBS app that won't let me log in anymore because I've canceled my account when I moved.

And they were like, no, you hate PBS in America. You can't get in anymore. Yeah. They get really mad when you move. Very upset. PBS is just. NPR is mad at me now. It's a whole thing.

All right, Alex, you're up last. All right. Awards. I'm going to go Mooby. Which has won an Oscar. Yeah. It's one, because it's... Can you say the name of the thing again?

Mooby. Mubi. Mubi. It's real. It's real. And that's not Tobe. No. It's Mooby.

Got it. Okay. It's real. I swear it's real. I saw it when I was walking in, they had some signs outside and I went and I went and I like... I was like, In case they need to think of a fifth streaming service.

I forgot about movie. And then you'd check to make sure they'd won an Oscar. Yeah, because movie is all independent films from the last few decades. That's good one. What Oscar did it win? A lot. No, no, no, no, no. This is not a movie that won an Oscar is available on this service.

Yeah. That's nothing. This is a movie original. Just Disney Plus as his award. Because they pay for the movies. On an Oscar. What did who knew of Oscar? A documentary Oscar thanks to Questlove, Alex Cranes.

And then I made a whole Disney Plus original joke. Where have you been now? Wait, wait. You're saying that I can't just choose like... No, that's all of them. So I couldn't have... It has a movie available that has won an Oscar is TikTok in one minute increment. That's all of those.

Exactly. I was always all ready for it. So you were just going to pick... Like, it has a movie available that has won an Oscar is Reddit. 100% all right this was the hardest category because of

for the because of this rule for this exact reason because if not for the rule it would be the easiest category right because

it is the easiest category all of them all right Twitter has movies on it that I know by the way he says it's a video

first platform does Twitter account you could pick Twitter if you can if Tucker Carlson has won an Oscar while on X he can have it

yeah sure it has to have been a streaming service very specific Yes. The company that hosts it has to have made it and it has to have won an Oscar. Then I'll choose Hulu. She can do that because she's not in the bundle. That is true. Okay.

Bam. That's fair. But movie's better. No. You heard about movie just now. I know, and it looks really sick. I'm going to go subscribe. It's got 4K. It's got a lot of old movies.

Many of which have won Oscars. Yeah. It's got award-winning content on it. Yeah. Sure. It produces and theatrically distributes films by emerging and established filmmakers, unlike everything else that does that exact same thing. I feel like the best case scenario for buying display advertising at South by Southwest is people on a stage Googling what your company is in front of an audience. I legitimately was like 40% search.

Zero people have signed up, but we have definitely Googled it now. Alex Kranz, where is Mooby on the Go-90s? This is the worst case scenario. Wait, no, it's Hulu now, right? Well, I'd like you to do both. Okay. You want me to do both. Um, okay, movie is, it feels like it's going to be pretty low on the go 90 scale.

It feels like like a 20. Because a lot of you, like, it was, it was just like you put a movie in the year, 2028. Netflix is gone. Yeah. But movie. Movie. Because like nobody knows about movie and movies just like. Yeah, they can't kill it if you can't find it.

Yeah. It's just like, it's just thriving over there in a corner. And periodically you're like, you know what? I'll turn on movie. And Netflix, though, everybody's going. going to like flip on it. Yeah, Netflix said, like, public company, like, Reed's got to get out there and explain its content.

Mooby is just like, I don't know, we just licensed Oscar winning independent film. Yeah, they could do whatever. All right, I buy it. I buy it. Yeah. Hulu, on the other hand, I chose a lot of 89s on this one, huh? Because that's definitely like an 89. Like, it doesn't have a lot of time left in this world.

Hulu may be the most 89. More than Paramount Plus. No, yeah, no way. Hulu is already actively dying. The person who owns Hulu has said he's, trying to rank different 89. Which is actually why you have other numbers. I didn't give anything at 89.

This is a new problem. What is the most 89? It's like a question that has long been solved. Paramount Plus is now in 87. Okay. And then we'll put Hulu at 89. And then TikTok is at 8. TikTok is at 89.

Like that's straight up. 88. You think it's 88? Which do you think is more likely to not be here at the end of the year? Paramount Plus? Or TikTok might not be here at the end. of the week.

That's fair. Are you, hmm? Maybe I probably will. The teens are strong. The teens are strong. People love their TikTok. They do.

And they will VPN into China immediately. The teens are like, get me on the other side of that firewall. Yeah, a lot of people are learning about VPN. So I think it'll persist. I'm putting it in 88. All right. Again, what is the most 89 is a baffling question? I think TikTok is right now, at this moment, who knows what's going to happen?

Yeah. I think TikTok is 89. I think Paramount Plus is an 88. I think Hulu is in 87. Okay. Hulu is famously unkillable. Like many, many, many people have tried to kill Hulu and they can't do it. I would love if Bob was just like, couldn't do it.

Just let it persist. That's his next press conference. Somehow someone's still... I've been trying to kill this thing. He's like, Hulu keeps going. We're going to enjoy it. I think, but I think they want to merge it into Disney. I think they want that to be the brand, like all this stuff.

Yeah. It's gone. It's my feeling. Yeah. Hulu is not going to be around for very long. We're going to be so wrong. It's going to be Hulu and Mooby. I'm so excited to do this next year and Netflix has just gone out of business and Alex is like,

I told me. I'm going to be so vindicated. Pirmalus is still around, Hulu's still around and Netflix is gone. Please watch my show on Netflix before. You can watch it in a one minute sections on Instagram Reels. Please watch the future up in one minute increments on Instagram Reels. That's going to go great for us. It's perfect.

All right. That is the end of the draft. Yes. We've done it. Okay. Alex Crens one first. And you picked Peacock, Mooby slash Hulu. I'm actually going to give you both.

I just feel like you should have both. Thank you. I appreciate it. Fine. Netflix, channels, crunchy roll, and Paramount Plus. I'm going to have a great time watching all of my content. I think there's a little bit... There was just a dismissive hiss laugh from over there.

I just want to be very clear. I think there's... That didn't come through in the cars. Only two of yours still exist by the time we do this next. Neil I picked TikTok, the Disney bundle. Nailed it. Sony Bravia core, which is a real... Real Tank

YouTube TV with Sunday ticket Motor Trend TV and Max I just want to point out this is like You were all over the place today This is breath

This is depth This is Oscar winning Motor Trend TV At this point If they don't win an Oscar What are you doing? Everyone else has Mooby

Yeah I would say The range here is unparalleled The quality is unparalleled The 4K is available If you can get off your 18T plan There's no fighting it Is is Motor Trend TV in 4K? Okay? No, no, no, it's not.

360P, Dave. That is being shot on a GoPro from 1994. That's the, that's the situation. I love it. David, what is you doing? I picked YouTube with ads. Yeah. All the ads.

Apple TV, Tobey, Prime Video, Criterion Collection, and Instagram Rails. Honestly, that's... Which I'm still having a lot of feelings. I think you won, actually. Thinking about it, I'm like, no. I'm sorry, you picked YouTube with ads and Instagram You picked Bravia Core and mobile 10 TV? Yeah, yeah, like.

You can't all have winners, man. Why do you even have a gigabit in her connection? What was the new movie that just came to Bravia Core that you were all excited? Anyone but you? A movie which does not contain any sequences of action fast enough to require 80 megabits per second. Like that movie can be compressed into a series of still frames. Glenn Howell, taking your shirt off looking great. Here's Glenn Powell.

Here's Glenn Powell next to another Jack got, like, just one frame at a time. It's just a series of pictures going by very quickly. That you could watch in one minute increments on TikTok and probably get the vibe. And I'm confident that that will be like TikTok's entire content strategy is a copyright infringement. Yeah. And also training this propaganda. And you can just see. I maintain a list of TikToks that I think should be media studies PhDs.

Happy to share. And all of them are just layers upon layers of copyright infringement. Yeah, that's good stuff. All right. That's it. That's the draft. We did. Who won?

Who won? David won. You can't just declare yourself the winner. I did. I declare him a winner, too. Two out of three. We have an audience. Okay, you're right.

Okay, who thinks Neli won the draft? Yeah, that's correct. One person did raise their hands. That guy runs bravia course. That was really nice of you. That's Steve Sony right there. Alex won the draft. Alex Kranz.

Yeah, look at that. Crunchyroll fans out there. And who thinks I won the draft? With YouTube with ads? Yeah. I'm one of the people. You go to the bathroom during the We got to end this. That's it. That's the fur chest, everybody. Thank you all for coming here at South by Southwest.

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