The Vergecast - You've Got to Be a Grownup When You're on the Internet

Episode Date: December 5, 2014

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Hello. Damn it. What? No, that was going to be great. It was going to be great. Hello and welcome to the Vergecast. The show where Chris Plant just trolls the shit out of our audience. You know, if you would just let me start it.

No. I could go so well. I just greetings, mobile accomplishers. Welcome to the Verge cast. You guys made that sound like that was going to be a very, very strange opening. And I didn't see anything unusual about it. Right. Except the giant pause.

Yeah, it was completely usual. And he like missed the landing and then blamed it on me. There's nothing on the usual. That's how we begin the show by not doing it well. I feel like, and this is how I think about it, we do everything else so well that we need to screw something up consistently. We got to be relatable. Yeah, right.

We're like people. We're just like you guys. When you do this motion, you're not like people. Also, you're a good thing to me as a teenager. Yes, that's how I think of the people. Have you seen us on? Twitter because we screw up plenty and plenty of places. It's fine. Okay.

Hello, this is the Verge cast. It's a show about the verge, I guess, and like, mostly our emotions having to do with the Verge. I'm Eli Patel. I'm Deeter Bone. I'm Chris Planned. And I'm not going to let you do it. I'm going to introduce you because you're special. We have a guest.

Her name is Emily Yoshita. She is our new entertainment editor. She is the best. I don't think I'm a guest anymore. Oh, gosh. I think I'm at home. I don't know if that was like an awe moment or a super burn moment It's like really rough

But no Emily's journey entertainment editor we're very excited Obviously I think if you've been reading The Verge for a while If you're listening to the show you certainly have I hope Because if you just walked into this like what the fuck You know that we've been covering entertainment a lot We do a lot of stories we're going to talk about Star Wars in the minute And Emily's here She came off a great stint at Grantland for a while

And to help us focus and like really direct that stuff and like make it cooler and better and more verge-like So it's very exciting Do you want to say anything? I'm stoked to be here. I am and I'm glad to be back behind a podcast, Mike. Yeah, where I belong Yeah, Emily had a great podcast for a long time and now she's here and I will tell you this A sneak peek into 2015 at the verge.

We are going to do more podcasts. We used to have lots of shows. We're going to have some more. I know Chris has been trying to podcast subterfuge all over the place. Every single meeting that I have at the verge, Chris Plant walks in and tries to insert his podcast into the agenda. It just like pops up. Do you check the iTunes reviews? Like, guys, you've told them to clean your dishes.

That's how you do everything. You tell people to troll iTunes reviews. Yeah, do this. All right. All right. Everybody gets a podcast. Can I say one other bonus? Yeah.

I don't think we can stop you. I've since simply joined our company. Before there was silence when I did my work. Now, Sailor Moon gently playing throughout the day. And it's like, is that Sailor Moon? Sailor Moon. I hope at least one person from the Grand Land Office is listening to this right now because they will know exactly what you were talking about.

It's amazing. The phone just all of my phone sounds are Sailor Moon sound effects. I appreciate the commitment to going through and like downloading all the audio. It was an afternoon project. I think it rained one afternoon in Los Angeles, and I'm like, shit, I guess I know what I'm doing today. No one's going outside here today. Yep.

I like it. Okay. There's actually some stuff to talk about this week. It was a slow week, and it's where two weeks of stuff. Yeah. Because of Thanksgiving. Also, hi, I'm Sam Shepard. I was going to surprise the people with your new.

I just, you guys did the intro and then you got to the news. The frame. Your title is cut off. Yeah. Guys, so here's a thing. There are more new people there. There are a lot of new faces here. And Sam, I know we've been hype checking with Sam, but Emily, she's new.

She's in charge and his renamed Sam's area as the hype audit department. It seems a little more, yeah. So we've given him a much more professional desk and title. Is it a government job? Like, why does he have a lot? Is that not? You know, this is not what you, I'm usually in that corner. This is not, okay, okay.

This is not good for the listener. Let me describe what Sam looks like right now. Sam is a middle school principal. That's the area, he's behind a, there's a wood panel behind him with an American flag and a nameplate that says his swaggistee. He's really stressed. We've been debating, is it swagistee or swaggistee? It's swagisty. Okay. Okay.

Wait, wait, can I describe one other thing? Yeah. The way the video shot is from. is that they didn't move the background over far enough so you can see that it's just a piece of wood. If you look in the far right corner, it's just, oh, I'm going to fix it. OK.

OK, OK. No, that's just like my middle school. Like, they ran out of wood paneling. There's been some budget cuts at those department of swag. The kids are happy. Yeah. The kids are happy.

The kids are happy. It's some real swag cuts at the school. They didn't want to cut the music department, so they stopped wood paneling. The principal's bust. bust. All right. What is happening on this podcast?

I don't know, man. You're the hype auditor. You're telling you. Hypoena. You can tell a really stallion about talking about Star Wars. I don't want to talk about Star Wars. It's almost as if it's an exhausted topic. Yeah.

Oh, wow. It's probably true, but we have to talk about it because it's our show. Yeah. Okay. Hype audit. The trailer was awesome. You don't get to declare your own hype audit. You have to.

Other people audit. Do I have to submit a request to hype audit? Listen, listen. Listen. Listen. we've paid our hype taxes. Okay. But can we talk?

Okay, Emily, I know it's exhausted, but tell us why you believe the Star Wars trailer is exhausted. I know Chris is going to have many opinions about marketing. Well, here's the thing is that that trailer dropped while I was in the middle of moving to New York, and I didn't really have an internet connection.

So I spent about 24. I watched it on my phone, like, in a very, not very good way. Like, it was skipping. It wasn't loading properly. And then I was just, like, looking at the internet and watching the reaction for a day after that without really fully feeling like I had watched the trailer.

I tend to have experiences like this with things like that. For some reason, I have bad luck with this kind of thing. But yeah, so by the time I actually sat down and watched it with headphones on, I was like, oh yeah, let's do this. Star Wars trailer. I just, I, it was like it had already had the, all of the, the life sapped out of it or something. But I'm still, it's a good trailer. It's like, I, hmm.

Sorry, I was going to say, here's. Here's how I recommend you watch the Star Wars trailer for the first time. Go to your family's house for Thanksgiving. Well, that's where you're supposed to watch. While your 5-year-old nephew is watching The Phantom Menace, run upstairs, pause the movie, sit down with him and hit play, and just watch him lose his mind. Is that what happened? Yeah.

It was pretty great. Here's what I think about Star Wars. Only small children like it. And people who remember what it was like to like it when they were small children. It's like the Princess Bride, though. No, that's true. This bride is actually... Like, the princess, if you don't...

No, no. Like, so Becky, my wife, had never seen it as a child. And so, like, one of her best friends, like, loves it. Favorite movie? We've got to watch it. And I was like,

oh, I love that movie. You got to watch it. And we watched it, and we were both sitting there, like, watching with the new adult eyes. And she was like, what is this? Oh, yeah. Oh.

This is garbage. Yeah. Yeah. And it was really rough. Like, it almost tore our relationship apart. Why? I wanted you to tell your story about the other 80s movie that you recently rewatched.

Oh, we're doing a whole thing on that tomorrow. Oh, never mind. I can't do it. It's going to be a video. We're putting this out tomorrow. No, I mean, we're making a separate video just about that. Are we doing a whole series about it? Does it hold on?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, this is what we do. I come onto the program and I talk about things that I may or may not make. You should go review us, five stars on iTunes. No, you can tell the people. Give it away. It's fine. I want to talk about Star Wars.

I want to talk about my thing. Because here's my feeling about Star Wars. And I'm going to say, I like, the trailer. Before this, I had like a whole rant about like how I don't like Disney's method of like making marketing last forever. And I kind of felt that way with the James Bond news. Yeah. Which we're going to talk about where it's like, great. I now have to care about marketing for two years before I get to enjoy something. But with this, here's what it felt like. And I didn't realize I had this growing on me. But it was like, I loved the original trilogy of Star Wars movies, like obsessively as a kid. That was that was my thing. That was my G.I. Joe's. And then. the new one came out, the new trilogy, the prequels, and it created this, like, boil on my neck of, like, hate. And it was, like, growing and growing and growing to the point where I, like, couldn't even remember liking any Star Wars. And watching that trailer felt like I was getting that boil lanced. And, like, all the hate is spewing out. Oh. It's so crows. It's not that I want to see Star Wars. It's that, like, it just feels like a relief to be like, oh, yeah, there was something I liked. about this thing and now I can kind of remember it again. Like it reminded me why I cared to begin with.

Yeah. I mean, I have almost the exact same relationship with Star Wars as a fan. It's like, yeah, it's like a very, it's really hard to just watch this trailer with like completely clean eyes. Like you can't just go into it being like, yay, I'm purely excited about Star Wars. There's going to be a million other caveats. Right. Yeah. But, I mean, I don't know.

We haven't seen that much. It's not like there's anything to really... Well, who's the Stormtrooper? There's all the... I don't know how to pronounce his last name. That's when I was saying it. John Boyega? Yeah.

I think that's how you pronounce his name. Yeah. But there's like the controversy over a Black Stormtrooper. Like, it's in that level of like, they reset the canon, right? And it's like... But they reset the canon... To just be the other movies. Right.

Including the three movies that suck. And I think that's like, that's why I have such, like, fear. Because I would prefer they reset the can. canon to like just pretend they've never happened. The prequels? Yeah. We didn't have, what is it, midi-chlorians? Hmm.

Wow. Can we make that a sound clip that we can just use every single time? You can have Sailor Moon on your phone and whenever my phone rings, it's all this grumbling. All those being somewhat unhappy. I just read the, oh, shoot. Some guy did a book about Star Wars and he like got into like the origins of it and all about Lucas writing it and how, much effort he put into writing it and how it was like he's going to go

bleed on the page is what he kept on saying and dude's really bad at writing. Yeah. Like he would just spend months and months and just overwrite it and people would be too, like the reason that the other movies turned out well, the first ones is that there's a story about

about Han Solo. The actor's name is Harris, Harrison Ford, saying you can write this shit George but you can't speak it. Right. And like, people said that stuff to him in the first trilogy, and then nobody was able to say it in the second one. And also was it, what's his name, Lawrence Kasden? Lawrence Kasden, yeah.

Wrote Empire and Jedi, too. Well, no, I just think that Jordan, did you read, you know, modern, do you guys know this, modern farmer magazine? And so, like, shutting down, basically. But so as I was reading, go on. Media news. Let me get there. Let me get there. Really sad for goats.

Let me get there. So this magazine started because Edartner and conquered the universe. Anne-Marie Gardner wanted to pitch a TV show about, like, farming. And she was, like, the only way I could think to frame this TV show would be if the main character is the editor of a farming magazine. And then she, like, kept going, and she ended up just making a magazine. Like, this is true. And instead of there was no TV show, and she just was like, to figure out what the editor of a farming magazine should do, I should, like, plot out a farming magazine. And then she, like, plotted it out.

And she was like, oh, this is a really good idea. And she made the magazine. George Lucas is like, what would cause war in the galaxy? a trade conflict and then you like made a trade conflict and then you fucking made a movie about it and it's like that's your problem like you didn't stop

you shouldn't have made the magazine and like the whole prequels are about like taxes they're a hype audit except without I'm happy with that wow what's the audio equivalent of shaking your head

Sam Sam Sam and disgust Sam Sam Sam real talk though hype check the trailer I like it lot. I really, I really did like it a lot. Because, because, okay, so I'm really, I'm gonna get a lot of heat

for this. I haven't really even, I haven't really seen Star Wars. I saw the, the three originals as a child. I was a child when I saw these movies with my parents. And I just, I don't really remember seeing, like, I've seen the Back to the Future trilogy at least five times and I know that movie. I don't really know Star Wars. I saw, I had a birthday

party when I was like, whatever. What is the connection between? No, no, no, I'm I'm explaining to the lead up to this because like, I, just let him go I'm suppressing the boil on your neck so my connection to Star Wars is not nearly as deep as most people's connection

to Star Wars is I just know it and like know the hype and lightsabers are cool and that kind of thing and we gotta talk about that lightsaber and to me I mean I'm a huge loss fan so and you know seeing JJ Abrams have a hand in this is really cool and the trailer just felt very very good it was like wow this looks, I'm, I'm anticipating

seeing this film, a lot of, like, quick shots and the music was good, and it felt, I don't know, it felt really nicely done. Okay, can we pause for yes one second? Because when you said Lost, Emily's hand did this thing. And I don't know what it was. I was making

a mental bookmark, which looks like me punching the table. So, okay, about lost. So you have weird ideas about bookmarks. Can we give his punch a hole? Do we give JJ Abrams credit for like the whole loss or just the beginning. Maybe it's like the first episode.

The thing that freaks me out about JJ Abrams is name an example of him like building on a universe instead of establishing a universe. And the only one like that I have personal experience with is a second Star Trek movie and well. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I don't really know. I mean I'm not a big.

I'm not a JJ Abrams fan. In fact, I wrote something for Grantland when it was first announced that he was going to do it where I was just like I just felt like he. He has the monopoly on so much genre stuff right now. It just doesn't seem right. And it does, not even though that doesn't seem right. It's just, like, not very interesting. Like, I don't need to see every beloved franchise that nerds love be filtered through his vision.

Like, and lens flares. Yeah. That's basically that. Yeah. The one thing that I do appreciate about him, though, versus, and the Terminator trailer just came out today. We should talk about that. Sure. For contrast.

For contrast. Yeah. But at least JJ's movie. movies are shot in daylight. Like so much of the good stuff you actually see. And it's like that is refreshing on its own. And at this point, I don't feel like it's reliable to expect most directors to do that, which is such a small thing.

But so much of that trailer, that terminated thing, except for San Francisco, which is like, great, I remember the end of X-Men 3. But it's just like that. Yeah, what, yeah, because it was a drink my way through that movie. That is a fantastic ending of a film because it starts out in the day. and they're like, oh, it's time to do action, and it's immediately midnight. It's like, oh, cool. Good thing you have control of time, X-Men.

Weather. Weather, yes. Storm comes in, and I don't know. It needs to be midnight. Can I ask a fundamental question about storm in the action series? Oh, my God. I just want to go here. Sure, go ahead.

We're going to go deep. It's going to happen, all right? Is her power to control the weather or to control water? It's weather. It's weather. And that's how she can fly because she can make like a miniature tornado under her feet so that she can levitate. Right. But if you can just like make clouds, like clouds are made of water vapor.

Right. So you can just like, right? Like that's like a thing that I think about. Like there's an element called weather. Oh, God. Yes. She has power. Got it.

She has wind and water, but not earth, fire, and heart. Right. I think she's got some heart. I don't know. It's just to say. All right. I've always wondered. Anyway, carry on with your thing that you're talking about.

No, I'm just saying I like that I can expect to see that movie and, like, actually see the action sequences when they happen. It's so simple and stupid, and that doesn't mean it's going to be a great movie, but at least I have that, which if we're going to, like, switch over to Terminator now. Well, we need to go back to The Lightsaber, but let's switch to Terminator, and I'm going to say, you know what? I like the trailer. I think it's going to be a good movie. You like the Terminator trail? Yes, I do. You know why?

Why do you hate it? I bet you all the reasons you hate it are wrong. Except for the night thing, which is totally true. I will say one thing about that trailer. Yeah, yeah. Arnold Schwarzenegger is at least three distinct ages throughout the trailer. Including flying old man. That is the only reason I want to see the right thing.

That makes no. No, it seems like that, they have the same problem as Star Wars in the Terminator series, and they're solving it in a worse way. No, I think they're solving a degree. I think that you need to think of the source material of Terminator as a fable as set. You don't get mad when they make another Cinderella movies. Oh, God, here we go. They're screwing up the Cinderella story.

They're resetting Cinderella assholes. No, I actually think that. I think that all the time. Oh, really? What? And so, like, the Terminator source material is like a fable to us now. It's part of our culture. And so you can just make a new movie and not worry about the continuity of how the other movies lead up to it.

Even though they kind of do. It's like they do just enough to humor the hard-for fans. Yeah, time travel, crazy reset alternate universes. Okay, now we can do what we want to do. Well, no, but the last one had none of it. They get to play on the same tropes of the original movies. That's actually fun. What was the-

They all exist in the same timeline, I believe. No, but it was the same? I mean, there's like seven timelines. Judgment Day is the second one. Not judgment day. No, what am I talking about? The one with Christian Bail in it was at the last one? Yeah.

But there's no time travel on that one. And Anton Yelche. That one like literally happens in chronological. order. Huh? Oh, he's in Star Trek. I was going to say, yeah, he's doing all right. I mean, what do you think?

Just, does terminate it look good to me? Oh, I'm not a, I'm not the person to ask. That's one thing that is, that's a, yeah, it's a dark spot for me. I have no, no serious. Yeah, because all the new ones have been so terrible. It's not even that they're terrible. I have nothing against terribleness at all. Obviously, I'm into Star Wars.

It's like, oh. Oh. Oh. But, I mean, that's not stupid. That's the cheap. I should not get an O for that. That's not just out there. The camera is vibrating because like all the fans are like trying to push their way through it.

They had to walk down security downstairs. Like millions of subway riders started hitting each other. Somebody said it. We've all known all along. No, I mean, I, I mean, I've watched, like, I've watched, I think I've watched all of the, I think I watched the first three movies at least once, all of them. And I watched a little bit of the show, too. But, like, I have no idea how that one...

I have a sense of the timeline, but it's like I also don't know how all these different things exist within this single mythology. How much of it is reboot or, like, reinterpretation of it. And, like, I don't know. I just... I haven't paid enough attention to really know. My favorite disc that I saw was Jordan Hoffman,

one of, like, one of my favorite movie writers. Just plugging him there, right? But he was like, it looks like a mediocre motion comic. Yeah. And it's like it has that like it has this flatness to it. Yeah. We're like the guy jumping from one car to the next looks bad. Uh, the robots look flat.

Yeah. There's something to it. It's clearly not finished. People haven't shot, uh, what is it, uh, real stuff in so long. Like they've been using CG that when you're seeing these movies finally going back and like trying to use practical effects, it feels awkward. Like they're not that great at it. Meanwhile, fast in the future.

One of the best movies out there. Gets it so well that like whenever I see these like car sequences, it's like, oh, great, cool. You figured out that cars can flip. Like that is like every movie that isn't fast and furious when they try to do something interesting with vehicles are like, but what if it flipped? You're like, oh, great, cool. How many millions of dollars do you need? Cool, just kick it all. You know what movie you have the best?

Oh, Chris is going to kill me for saying this. Oh, here we go. One of the movies are the best car effects in the world, practical car effects? Tork? Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. And it's, it's really bad.

The Dukes of Hazard, the new one. Really? Yeah, when they're drifting the charger, like, that's hard to do. Like, it's like a ridiculous. Have you done this? It's a man who drifts is charging. No, it's like, it's like that. Like, there's a reason drift cars are not generally like 60s muscle cars.

And, like, make it fly. Like, there's good driving that movie. That's all I'm saying. Chris, like, you can hear Chris, like, thundering down the stairs. He's like super mad at me. Okay. There's other stuff going on. There's James Bond stuff.

Light saber. We have Emily here. I haven't watched the James Bond trailer yet. It's not even a trailer. Oh, yeah, I saw the news. Casting news. Is James Bond also like a legendary fable? Yeah.

Yes. He's like a super hero. Especially in this iteration because they're bringing back all the classic Bond stuff that they weren't allowed to use because of lawsuits. Wait, what? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know a little bit about this, but you probably know more.

So, I mean, there was the fight over Thunderbolts. ball, but then like the, like the rights to some of the original Bond mythology, like Spector and, uh, some of the villains, uh, like, I think Paramount had it or just like there, there was this whole debate of or who could make it. That's why we had, you know, the extra Bond movie in the early 80s. Anyway, I don't, I don't, I don't, I can't go through the whole story. It's somewhere a geek is very mad at me right now. But the fact that like they're rebooting stuff, they're bringing back, they're bringing it a new M and they're sort of like bringing back the classic. mythology of the villains and Spector is kind of exciting and it just you know there's no there's never been continuity in bond though they'll do continuity for like a six movie stretch and then they start over again can i make an awful prediction because something terrible just hit me okay so they're bringing back all these like established things all like the pandering to fans and i think of how every company wants it's marvel now where they can like milk spider man across like eight movies and i think like they fought to get the rights for specter and they have christoph waltz as like the villain

and they're putting big casting into it. Maybe, probably this isn't going to happen, but it makes me wonder if they're like, hey, what if we turn Bond into like three movies? What if we had an M movie? And what if we had a villain movie? And Spector is like a big thing. What if we expand a movie that's just about the Spector universe?

No, that's a bad TV show in the making. Yeah, it feels. Spector, the TV show. It's like, man, that makes a lot. lot of cynical sense. They're like, well, Shield is an genius. Yeah.

And what if they all, okay. I would watch the M show, just like her chilling at home. No, but she's gone. She's, yeah, I know,

but did you say there's, did you say there's going to be a new one? No, it's, it's Reefines. Oh, okay, I didn't see that.

Huh. Yeah. Oh, that's, I don't know. I think James Bond is like, uh, uh, there's just a moment where he,

like, the character stopped being cool, uh, because he's like, get out. He's a dad. in a suit, like, there's something like... No, I think it's the opposite.

He was uncool. I mean, this is a dude who, there's, like, one of his most famous action sequences is skiing down a hill casually shooting at people, and then he gets in, like, a submarine, and, like, he seduces a woman who I was, like, 50 years old. And they're like, but she's like, fine, great. Like, find love later in life. More people should. But, like, he's not, like, anything but a cool dad.

Right. No, the essence of this character is, like, the coolest dad. Like, the cheesiest. Or the worst dad, because he, like, can't stay with any woman and he shoots them awful. And sometimes he shoots them. He doesn't shoot them all. It's just the evil ones. They made this current Bond, though, kind of emo just because he lost his lady in that first one.

No, but the boss was losing his lady is, like, they've been trying to, like, humanize James Bond by killing a lady for, like, 20 years. Yeah. No, the Pierce-Brosden Bond lost a lady. Oh, my God, you guys. Like a multiple movie arc? By the bond, on her majesty's secret service. Cool that Dieter Bone's about to get real pissed. The guy who got the one movie with the frilly shirt.

Sure, yeah. His wife died at the end. And the car crashed, killed by Spector, by the way. And then that's what made him angsty. Emo Bond, like, they really, really tried with Emo Bond. Yeah. And now they want to bring back funny Bond, maybe. Yeah.

A little bit of that. Didn't Dana Craig complain about how Austin Powers ruined the fun of James Bond. I would say triple X ruined James Bond. Oh my God. I'm not even kidding. Triple X didn't ruin anything. Triple X had to matter to a single person for it to ruin anything. Got Ben.

No, that's it. Sam. I bought it. James Bond. Triple X. James Bond has been around. It feels like days of our lives. Like that series has been around like just enough already. 19, whatever. Goes back to the 60s.

Like, how many more James Bond movies can you make? How many more James Bond movies can you make? I'm doing, yeah, that's a question. Is it like a classic? They'll just keep doing it forever and ever. But the question is, will anyone care in it? No, the question was, hype on it, triple X. That movie was good.

I got it, cool. I liked the last Bond movie, though. I will say. Yeah. I saw it in IMAX too, because it had that slick Richard Deakin's cinematography, that whole sequence in Shanghai. That was cool, man. That was a great movie.

I also liked that it's just home alone. At the end of the movie, they're like, but what if we just had him beat Kevin? He was like, yeah, that sounds good. He's going to cause hijinks in that house. Daniel Craig is a better James Bond than Pierce Bralson, though. Yeah. Yeah. Although Pierce Brosson was great for the bringing Bond back after the hype.

He was Bond Dad. Pierce Brosson was Bond Dad. No, no, no. No? Who was Bond Dad? Oh, who was the other one? Sean. The bad one, the worst one.

Dalton is the worst one. Timothy Dalton. That's my dad's Bond. But he wasn't really daddy. He was just bad. He was just coked up bond. 80s bond. Once the next time you think we'll have a pretty bond

because Pierce Bronson was a pretty, pretty man. Yeah. I would argue. Daniel Craig is pretty pretty. Yeah. But he's not in the same way. Yeah, yeah.

You can't see what I'm doing right now, but I'm giving him the okay. He's a great-looking man. What was the first? You can't see what I'm doing, but I'm giving him the okay. Casino Royal had him like, coming out of the ocean and like whipping his hairback shirtless.

Like completely irony-free. It was great. Oh, yeah. That's fun. I would say, um, no, it's funny because James Bond,

like, for Verge audience, like James Bond is like the gadgety one, right? Oh, yeah. And it's just funny because it's a Sony Erickson. Yeah, all of his gadgets have been so bad lately.

It's like, check out my cool Nokia. I'm driving in Aston Martin. It's like you wouldn't, I don't, that's actually like, I can't. I can't believe you.

It was a Sony Erickson and BMW. Oh, was it? Yeah. Was that in Casino Royale? No, that was pre-Casino Royale. They brought that the asset market and fat-checked. The new stuff. Look, man, I was telling plan earlier.

I played the James Bond role-playing game for victory games. I know my James Bond lore. Wow. All right. At least I used to. Gavell. So here's the question. Is it possible for a modern James Bond to have cool gadgets for a gadget?

like world. That's deep. Yeah. But no, it can't be like cool gadgets that make you believe in the future. It has to be like cool, clever things that you wouldn't normally want to carry you under a thought of. But like Bond used to be like this is a thing that like, whoa, I can't believe the technology that enabled that. And like that doesn't matter anymore. Like that won't impress us. It has to be like, oh, that's a clever thing. I also feel like the Nolan Batman movies took over that lane a little bit as far as, I don't know.

I feel like there were more things that were like. insane technology and like the scene where you just unveil the car and stuff that that really became like the one kind of fun not super serious part of those movies no because i watched the first like batman begins that that movie is way more comic book like that series like took a really hard turn with the dark night towards like gritty realism but the first movie is like super comic bookie like in its way yeah but yeah i don't like i just don't think james swan can like But part of James Bond is like suddenly he has a pen that's a gun. I think the other thing is it's more serious so you can't have like that lackey stuff, right?

Like back in the day it could be like, it's a penguin, but it's actually a robot. And you sneak inside, James. Well, now, nobody sees you. He's six-foot-tall penguin? Well, I feel like audiences now are going to be way more skeptical of that kind of stuff too. You can't have a parachute inside a pen because people will be like, that couldn't happen or whatever. Like people will actually be thinking.

Like there's one too many Apple design videos of Johnny's being like. It took the hours to design this thing. Like he had the actual jetpack that people were trying to sell and it was the first time he had actually seen it. And it was a huge holy shit moment. But like there's no technology that is feasible that you could like discover by watching James Bond. Right.

It's just there's the verge.com. We are going to scoop James Bond every time. It also helps it like DARFA has made things far scarier than our minds. can possibly imagine. So it's like, oh, cool. A giant robot dog that'll chase you down and bite your face off. Oh, don't worry. We've had that for five years.

Cool. All right. We should keep going. We should keep going. We didn't talk about the lightsaber. Can we talk about the lightsaber for a minute? It's very cool. Just forget about how it works.

It is badass. The one comes out and then the other two, it's like, holy shit, that was awesome. Totally unexpected. No, totally expected. I expected the shit out of that. That blew my mind to smithereens. It was so badass. And like, especially the voiceover, too, and the dog's side and just boom.

Did you know that was Andy Circus? No, I didn't know that. It's Andy Circus. He was playing with his toys while doing it. Look, it was cool. I'm allowed to like things, dear. It's okay to like things. I will say this.

I will say this about the verge. We're getting better at liking things and accepting that it's okay to like things. I love liking things. Yeah, it's our favorite. Except for Android. Praise. I think the lightsaber is cool. Neelai, how do you feel about the lightsaber?

The lightsaber is poison. I don't... Oh, God. I don't have any faith in this movie. That's true. That's fact. You know what? You know what it gives me less faith in this movie?

Is the camera hijinks of the Millennium Falcon flying around? Oh, that was so cool. No, because if you see the stabilized version, all it's doing is like making a single move over the ground. if you actually like stabilize the camera from a single perspective. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

Instead they're like, oh look at this. Like the music comes on and it does like that awesome turn and it's just like, have you just been watching the trailer this whole time? Is that what you've been so?

I'm watching the trailer without the music because it feels different. I think you have to go back and remember that the only Star Wars movie that his swag is seen. Go ahead.

Don't worry about Chris. He's fine. He's just having a heart attack. I mean, Emily, you do have a point. You do. I really, I haven't seen.

I haven't seen the movies to have like turn Bales on this. This is, you've probably watched more minutes of this trailer than like all Star Wars combined. So it's okay. You're allowed to like it. It's cool. Also, Sam, you're right. The fact is you're right. Because what Deeter said is maybe the worst description of watching a movie ever.

Well, if you stabilize all the images and you take the sound away, it really doesn't work quite as well. Great, yeah. I mean, if you like, close your eyes and you and punch yourself in the neck. Because of the game isn't the best movie ever. I mean. If you think about it. You're the one who described the previous movies as a festering boil. Yeah, but I can still recognize something's good.

I said the Terminator thing was good. I think this is going to be great. I'm going to watch the hell of this movie. The reality of the hype with the lightsaber is that it's real. The reality of the hype. The reality of the hype. The hype audit, it's cool as hell. And if you don't like it, you probably can't handle a lightsaber yourself.

I'm sorry. But no one. Let's move on. Okay, let's transition slightly from entertainment. I've got a segue in mind here. Ready? Here we go. It's going to happen.

When we did the Engadgetta podcast and Trent produced them, he would actually put in that noise. No, he did that. It was the Jetson's car. Well, John, you have you have something to aspire to as a podcast producer, buddy. No, so Sony Pictures, Hollywood Studio, make entertainment. A bunch of their movies got leaked over the past week. This is actually a big story. I will say that I think we were a little too slow to jump on it because we're like,

oh, Sony got hacked again. because I'm actually kind of used to Sony getting hacked. Like Sony blowing it is like a thing. Yeah, like it's whatever. But Sony got hacked like very badly because of the interview, the movie, which is about killing King Jong-un, right? Un. Do we know that?

I don't feel like we know that for sure, though. He dies. Oh, we don't know. Well, so. Wait, the hack is definitely the malware is written in Korean that came out today. And Sony has been basically saying, we are on the cusp of confirming that the hack was from North Korea for like three days now. But didn't they say specifically that they didn't? Like, I don't know.

I feel like it has to be North Korea. But at the same time, they keep saying, like, no, it definitely wasn't. I think Sony is actually, I think they're playing both sides because they don't want to get hacked again. Right. And I think the other piece of it is, I mean, this is just like wild speculation. but I think the reality is probably that Sony was not difficult and they don't want to be wide open

for other malicious people who are opportunistic and like riding the wave. So there's like a tiny little appeal to nationalism here. That's like I suspect that that's why they keep talking about North Korea. But anyway, but they got hacked badly. Like four movies were leaked early. Lots of personal. A lot of personal

menas. Salaries. Juicy memos. Internal memos. Really interesting PowerPoints. The PowerPoints are making me want to kill myself. They're really... What are they? They're really bad.

You haven't seen them? No, I haven't seen it. Oh my God. They're like for marketing. They're marketing strategies for like the Smurfs movie and stuff. And they look like they were written by somebody who maybe had like a third grade education. Like it's like listing bubbles of like what people like about the Smurfs. It's like, I don't know.

I can't even... What was that sound? Last stream. We're live. Live TV. The hackers. Yeah. It's the hackers.

No, it's like, it's really bizarre. It's also, it kind of gives you an inside look at like why marketing for so many movies is so terrible. So here are some of the bubbles for grownups too. Oh, my God. Target categories include accessories, automotive, beverage, grown up jobs, electronics, and then this is all contained in one bubble, the next one. Men's Issues slash Potty Humor. Slash potty humor.

Men's issues Slash potty humor Are like literally That's like the same thing That is the biggest problem with being a white man Here are some key themes for the Smurfs 2 Nottie versus Nice Love and Happiness

Friendship The Color Blue And Magic It feels like It feels like notes for like an adult swim show or something Like, it's that level of bizarre abstractness, except this is actual marketing notes. There's, like, a real chance we could just do this for the rest of the show. Here are the key themes for Cloudy with the chance of meatballs, too.

Things are not always as they appear. Believe in yourself. True friends value for who you are. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Food and man living in harmony. What? What? What's just so confusing.

As a concept. I don't understand. And so I think it was on the Gawker post. They pointed out, that's actually not what these movies are about because the food is attacking people. I have a question about these, the hacks, because I didn't read all of it. But I saw there was stuff in there about Adam Sandler movies and tremendous anxiety about having to make Adam Sandler. Yeah, there was a lot of internal stuff about. There are certain things that just assume.

are going to be in the documentation. And if you make Adam Sandler movies, you just assume that there's going to be angst about that in the documentation, right? And then it proves itself to be real. I mean, I will say that the slide for Elysium says exoskeleton insights curiosity, but don't overplay.

That's my new Twitter file. Don't ever do the exoskeleton thing. Also, like, a couple of interesting things. I think Elysium may be another. movie where they were like, don't play up the socio-political themes of this, which is like, yeah, that was. There's pretty much a movie about socio-political themes. I'm sorry, I just got to the Spider-Man 2 bubbles.

So here's the thing about these slides. Adhesives. Salty snacks. Carbonated beverages. That's your marketing strategy. A carbonated beverage is a big business, man. It's probably a carbonated beverage guy upstairs. Desperately trying to sell the verge.

This kombucha count. Yes. No, so here's, I have deep conflict in my heart about covering this. Because it's a hack. Like, the hackers are criminals. They shouldn't have done this. Were they sponsored by the government, presumably? It's unclear.

I mean, like, the overwhelming, like, evidence suggests that, like, the North Korean government, like, sponsored an hack on Sony Pictures because of this movie. And that's what everyone who is talking, like, off the record or on background is basically leading the press to, like, that. conclusion. There's nothing like we don't know. Nobody's really officially claimed responsibility. Except for what is this? Guardians of Peace, the GOP. Yeah. Which is just like of all of the of all of the political parties to get confused with like the GOP hacks any pictures. Didn't happen. Anyway so but so like it's fascinating for us to look at these slides and report on the contents of this leak, but it's not the NSA. This isn't like the Edward Snowden files. Yeah. And it's really, it's, this is how major this leak is that it actually makes you feel bad for Sony. Right.

Like, when I first saw this news, I was like, oh, you know, like, it's something like this happens every once in a while and it's a giant corporate entity and they'll bounce back. But I mean, this is major and this is like really affecting people's personal. And people who had nothing to do, people who weren't making these PowerPoints, like regular employees are having their medical records out there for everybody to see and that shouldn't happen to anybody like regardless of they put out grown up to or not you know and like you said Sony just keeps getting it yeah like it's just like three years ago at the PlayStation hack or this year when was it the president or vice president right the Sony online had that death right the plane they had the land of it like they're just it it feels like they

they take a lot of it yeah well it's because it mean Sony is as much as they stumble and actually producing the products, they are the only company ambitious enough to try to, like, make the content and the video game console and the MP3 player and like whatever. And like they stretch themselves across so many of these categories and try to make all the stuff that you can only imagine like how vulnerable many, many, many of their systems are to do it because they're such a crazy ass company, basically. Yeah. But it's, so I'm conflicted because I think the contents of this, like give us pretty

unprecedented view into how a movie studio operates, almost around the inside. But the hack is like a verge story, obviously, it's like a big cybersecurity story. And it's like which one of these things are we going to, like which one of these paths are we going to go down? Are we going to? And it actually, like, I think I watched our staff sort of like react to this news

and none of us knew what to do. We just sort of like waited. And then we had to be like, no, this is a big story. We have to go aggressively pursue it, even though we all feel really bad about it. Yeah. And I feel like the story is less about the actual information in there because it's like, oh, some movies got leaked and stuff.

And, you know, I mean, the, the PowerPoints are obviously the most entertaining thing. And that's, like, something you can put out there. But a lot of it, I mean, it's not like you need to report, I feel, like, on what was actually leaked. It's more, you know, the story that the leak happened and, you know, what people are going to do about it. Yeah, because it does feel a little bit, and it feels a little bit weird to just start incuritating all that stuff. That, I don't know. That's me.

What are you typing? You've got into like, like, I got to tell people what I think about this Sony leak, but not on the air. Not so that, sorry. Somebody just slacked me. Somebody important just slacked me. What else do you have to talk about?

Something good. Something happy. Yeah, we've been talking about a lot of sad things. Star Wars. I was going to talk about Apple and DRM, but that's really not. That's really not exciting at all. It's exciting. I don't know.

Emily, what's happening exciting for you? Black Mirror. Yeah, convince me to watch the show. Oh, my God. I still am like, I feel like I live in a bubble where everybody that I know watches it and thinks that it's the best show on TV because it is. Wow. It was first, it was for a long time you kind of had to say you flew to England, I think, is what we used to say on our podcast about watching Black Mirror because there was not really a least. global way to watch it here. About a year ago, DirecTV put it on their audience network.

And so that was the first time it was available here to watch. And now it's on Netflix, so you can stream it and watch it at your leisure. And you should do that because there's going to be a Christmas special that will be on in the UK on December 16th and here on, just on DirecTV again on the 25th on Christmas. And the first trailer for it came out today, or the first It was like a Channel 4 promo And it looks great But But um

Yeah John Hamm in it Yeah John Hamm just signing on to To join that techno paranoia universe I mean Do all British shows do Christmas specials or just Dr. Who in Black Mirror?

It's a well down Nappy's doing one with George Clooney in it this year What's the deal with the guy like it's like I've I've seen it attempted to be explained a couple times It's just sort of a tradition I mean I mean we have Christmas specials here, but it's not like our... And we have, like, Christmas episodes. Yes, it's like the early 90s.

Also with the weirder season structure, don't they sometimes use Christmas specials as like standalone? So it's like kind of between seasons. Yeah, it's in between seasons. That's the down-nabby ones, I think, are always like these one standalone episodes between seasons. Or the office? The fight, that was...

Yeah, that was after the last. Yeah, I think so. But isn't there just an inherent hokeyness to, like, doing the holiday, like, the one-off? They're the best. Christmas episodes of everything are the best. Second invite. Halloween episodes.

Halloween episode. Because Halloween is where they can break the rules that the show establishes and get away with it. Like you can have like Sean get, you know, see everybody get murdered in Boyme v. World. Okay. Oh, that makes sense. I see you're saying. I mean, that's like the one rule is actually murder.

Like don't murder. Don't murder. Costumes. Yeah. Yeah. Emily, why should we watch the show? Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to pitch you this show. So it is the easiest way to pitch it is that it is Twilight Zone for the information age.

Oh, wow. Each episode is a state. And a standalone story. They all take place either in the very near future to the semi-distant future. And they are all extremely plausible stories about technology ruining people's lives. So something happy then is what you're giving us. Incredibly dark and not in a like Red Wedding Game of Thrones way. It's like dark in a, oh, I can see myself this happening to me in 10 years kind of way.

It will, I hate to bring this up at a tech site, but it will make you want to throw all your devices out the window. No, that's the, that's a thesis of our site. Yeah, okay, great, great. Live away in, like, the woods. We just want people to see the doom coming. We don't want to stop it. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's the thing about the show.

And, like, I mean, I love the show. There's only six episodes, two seasons, three apiece because. What are they an hour long each? Yeah, they're all about an hour long. Is that ever going to, is that ever going to happen in, like, the American market where we. They keep kind of whittling. it down, I feel like. I think people have realized that a lot of

times it's more economically reasonable to do a 10 episode or 13 episode run. Everybody's kind of following the premium cable model, but I don't know. I feel like channels like CBS and stuff are probably still going to do 20s. No, CBS will never do

anything good. Until, yeah, until it's just I can't. Like it's just like, huh, man, that's Sherlock show and the BBC's pretty good. Elementary. We made money. And then he do. Yeah. I watched my first episode of Two and a Half Men the other day.

Oh my first? I never watched episode that show. I avoided it scrupulously. Dude, that show is just... Isn't it shockingly awful? Yeah. I think the first time I watched it was maybe sometime in like the second or third year. Like, oh, this will just be boring and not funny.

But it's actually super offensive all the time. It really tries hard to do for me. That's why I'm always surprised with CBS, because when I was, I picture CBS, like it's audience. I picture, like, my grandmother falling asleep in front of the TV. Yeah. But then you, like, watch a show, and all the shows are is, like, graphic murder and, like, really trashy sex. Yeah.

Like, it's like, oh, here's Charlie. He wears, like, a Hawaiian shirt. And here are five women in bikinis. What's going to happen this week? What's the show? It's two to have men. Oh. Wait.

I thought it was Hawaii favo. Oh, yeah. See, that's the whole problem. I thought there was two broke girls. Which one is this? Here's an Asian stereotype and some boobs. That's actually a really good show. It's not a good show.

Back to the Black Mirror though, real quick. It is, it's very, yeah, it's a quick watch. You can watch all of them once. I think when I first watched it, I spread it out over a summer because once I watched the first two episodes, I was like, this is the best thing in the world and I wanted to last for it and forever. But it, I don't know.

It's also really fun to talk about people, Talk about with people just as far like what your favorite episode is because it's very revealing about what is the thing you're most terrified Someone just tweeted at me that the pig is not plausible I don't know what that means They told me to ask you about the pig It's not plausible The thing about that I'm not going to be spoilery about it But the thing about that episode

He's talking about the first episode And it is Perhaps the central Thing that happens in it is not plausible But the way that the entire entire story on furls where, and that's the one that takes place, that's one of the only ones that really takes place in definitely our universe. You know, they talk about like YouTube and stuff like that on it. And the way that, it's basically a PR catastrophe is what this is about

at a very, very high level. And the way that it happens, the way that the disaster sort of explodes, is incredibly plausible, I think. And that's, and that also, I think a lot of people don't like that episode for several reasons, which I don't want to. Yeah. Is it the plausibility of the pig? It's just the pig in general. But I think it does a really good job of laying out what kind of show it's going to be and what it's concerned with. Yeah.

Yes, Steve. I am really curious about your general philosophy on spoilers. Oh. Because you're like being super careful to not spoil it for us in this room. I hate being spoiled, so I'm very empathetic to it. At the same time, I think. I think that you know,

you've got to be a grown-up when you're on the internet. Have you seen an article about... Have you met the internet? I know. I know. It's like an uphill battle here. In real time,

that's being our old-tie. No, I mean, if you see a headline for something or a link on Twitter that it's about something you haven't watched yet, don't click on it. Like, just don't.

There have been lots of things where it's like... By the way, you know, it's already on the internet. My beef with like the movie blogging community, movie writing community that I follow is some people, it's not the links. Like, it's like, we're just going to talk about this. Yeah, they just tweet it. We're going to have entire conversations

across like, like, all right, for this site, for this site, we're going to talk about the ending of this thing that is two weeks old. And then if you, like, get upset about it, it's like, you're styming critical analysis. So what's the threshold? How many, how many weeks can pass before it's acceptable? I think two weeks, if you're, I think

if you wait more than two weeks after, like, especially like a highly anticipated movie or something comes out, you don't care about it that much. So if it gets spoiled for you a little bit, like... So a month? I think a month is definitely safe.

I don't know. That's the move. If a movie comes down and you haven't seen it within a month and also like TV shows, TV shows you should be catching up within the month and I feel like a movie... Also, TV shows is tough though because sometimes people don't have a cable subscription and they're waiting for it to hit streaming. Okay, let me ask you this. When is

when is it okay to spoil the first episode of House of Cards. Oh, interesting. Because I still haven't seen that. Actually, I've never seen an episode. You mean House of Cards season two? Season two episode one. No, like the new, okay, sure. Season 2 episode one.

That's the one you're talking about. I had that spoiled for me before it. Well, right, okay, whatever. So let's say season three is coming, right? When is it, whenever that, let's say season three drops tomorrow, right? When is it okay to spoil the first episode of House of Cards? I mean, right now, because I stopped watching at the middle of season two because I just couldn't care. boring. But, okay, so the

following question is, why is it okay to swear the last episode? But go ahead. Oh, well, I was just going to say that that's just like an interesting new problem that the Netflix shows have. Because they're all at once. And it's so, I kind of feel like long term it sort of hurts them because you can't have that ongoing conversation that is like meet it out week

by week by when an episode comes out. So it's like everybody, like some people watch all of it in the first 24 hours, some people watch it over a couple weeks, but nobody really, everybody just sort of looks around at each other. I was like, Have you seen it yet? Yeah, yeah.

And yeah, there's not this one moment that, you know, you have the event and the conversation that follows after it. It's kind of all happening at different pieces everywhere. Right. So, I mean, that question is, why is it okay to spoil the last episode that season? Why is it okay? When is it okay? Because I get the sense that it's never okay to talk about the last episode of a Netflix

show because you never know if anyone has finished that show. I mean, I think, are you talking about, like, publicly on Twitter? you talk about something that you're writing? Both. What if you give it a week in episodes? So if it's a 10 episode run, 10 weeks after it gets dropped on Netflix, and then you can... These are, like, new rules, man. You know what Netflix should do?

They should have... They should have it come out. If you're a regular Netflix subscriber, it comes out every week, and that's when we have the conversation. But you can hit a button and give Netflix an extra four bucks so you can watch it all at once. But then those people... Oh, that's so cruel. are going to be dicks. You want to pay the money.

Yeah. I mean, that's my beef with, like, that's my problem with, like, spoiler stuff in general is, like, there's this weird, like, privilege to it because it's like, oh,

if it's a movie, if you don't see it within the month, I'm like, I know people who, like, wait to watch movies on TBS because they don't want to spend if you live in New York $30. Yeah.

To go see a movie or, like, or, but your backup plan to not go in the theaters is waiting for TBS. For me, I'll wait to us on demand because I can watch it with, like,

Oh, you have terrible experience. I'm not saying, me. I'm saying other people. Oh, just pay for the better experience. I'm just saying, CBS does a great job. They have really targeted advertising. They figured out. No, I mean, I think I have that problem. Not so much with, like, the money thing, but the time thing.

It's like sometimes I have different tiers of priority for pop culture things that I'm going to watch. And, like, sometimes it's like, oh, well, you're not a big of fan of this. And, like, you haven't, you haven't watched this yet, so, like, you deserve to have the spoil. It's like, no, actually, like, I have a job and stuff. And, like, I mean, especially if it's not something that I'm actually covering for work. I mean, because obviously a lot of stuff I watch for work. But if it's not something like that, then I don't know. I think that everybody has a different lifestyle and the way that they wrap it around their pop culture intake is kind of in conflict.

But I don't know. No, I mean, I think the most interesting thing about, like, really trying to cover it. entertainment on our site is understanding how those patterns change because of like all of the new delivery like it's a thing we talk about like it's funny that you were talking about this trailer makes more sense without audio i bet a fuck ton of people watch that trailer without audio yeah because they watched it at work or they watched it the way i watched it which is like hovering over a laptop speaker with like really quiet sound because my headphones weren't close to me and i didn't want to bother anyone right like uh vox.com this is true they they make really popular videos on

YouTube. They, as a rule, do not require, like, they make the video so they don't require audio because they know that the way the videos are shared is like, they'll be played on mute, so they make sure that they, it's like, all that's crazy. Like, really understanding how the stuff travels and like, when you make it pop culture, like, really understanding how pop culture travels in a world where all of the old ways are broken is, like, fascinating, because it's changing the media. And like, I don't know, like, I bet you they mixed this Terminator trailer to not require like low end, right? Because they know it's going to get played through laptop speakers like primarily.

Yeah. And if you don't like, that's crazy. That's like a crazy thing to think of that. So you're saying that what? Oh, John, our producer selling us on headphones that we, Verge videos are mixed to that any low end. But we're not allowed to tell you the listener. Can we start doing the subwifur edition of the Verge?

It's like it can only be played like a nasty old civic with like a truck four of those episodes. So you're saying basically that when I watched it like in like one with one bar on my phone that's probably the experience they're going. That's the internet experience. Okay.

No, but like that's like a crazy thing. Like that's the reason like our site does the way does the coverage it does. Like that's the reason the scope is big because you can't like I don't think like straight entertainment publications can talk about like we they mix the video like that's like a whoa. Check out this fact we know.

Like they mix the videos that long. And for us, it's like, yeah, because of laptops. It's because of laptops. And it's like just understanding how these things all talk to each other to me is like the most interesting thing. Nerd. You're nerd. Because I'm a huge nerd. Because I'm a huge nerd.

Sam, Sam, hype check subovers. They're necessary when you're trying to listen to dubstep, yo. Hey, this guy knows what I'm talking about. Sam, you're supposed to be. Touch you disco ball. This middle school principal loves to party. It's like the picture of the principal, like in the furry boots in Coachella. Yeah.

The announcements come on in the morning. Pshu! It's a new day at me wood high. Hi, putt high. No, no, it's not. We're done. Is this show done? That's how you end it.

Hi, poor, hi. Is there anything else being talking about? Is there any hope in the world? A new hope. That was really quick, Chris. It was really good. Of course, I'm walking in me and I let it out. Oh, all right, two in a row.

Thank you. Well, I think we've done. Anti-discrimination bill is going to be named after Tim Cook. That's good. That's good. Is there anything cool happening this week that people should be, I don't know anything. Thursday. I mean, it's the smartest.

This weekend? There's nothing. There's Ivan. A real problem for me is that I'm terrible at this job of hosting this podcast. And so I don't know what's going on. I don't know what we should talk about. And I don't prepare. And that is basically the story of the Verge cast. It's really showing respect to the audience. But they like it. I don't know. I don't know.

So, news that you can do. We're here every week. You can go into iTunes to leave a review. Maybe five stars. Mute me on the podcast. If you want to leave a review this time, here's what we recommend you do. Say, maybe Deeter should do the intro. No. And if you want to do it, let us know in the review. Mix it up in the comments.

I'm going to have to open iTunes now. People love conflict. Yeah. No, here's what I think you should do. You should open your iTunes and leave a review for the Vergecast. And you should in state five stars. And state in your review why Dieter should switch to iTunes. is his primary music application on his computer.

It works super well with the Blackberry passport. How long did that last? Oh, man. All right. Well, that's our show. You can actually, there are many ways to talk to us. Sure, you can do that. I'm going to let Sam do it because Sam does this better than anybody.

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It's not true. Just plant. Just plant. Just plant. With an E. With an E. And Emily is Emily Yoshita. Yep.

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Soon we are coming for our trademarks. Yes. And I'm Sam Sheffer on Twitter. and you should add us on Snapchat. We are the Real Verge. And if you are listening to the Vergecast, you should tweet. I listen to the Vergecast. And if you watch the Vergecast, you should say, I watch the Vergecast.

It's interesting because a lot of people did that last week. And like half of them were I listened to and half of them were I watched. So people watch and listen, which is cool. You should download Snapchat just for Sam's Snapchat because it's his personal or is the verge. No, it's very joint. Because it's the only interesting thing I've seen done on Snapchat. Like, I have, like, trying to find anything good.

And, like, I mean, following my friends, they're okay. But, like, Sam has figured out Snapchat. Like none other. He has mastered Snapchat. I will say that there is cool stuff we're going to do with Snapchat next year. Yeah. We're thinking of a lot of ways. It is cool.

You should download. I mean, it's just clear. You should download. Get some apps. Yeah, cool. We are the real verge on Snapchat apps. And find us on the apps. And for those wondering, I open.

Every single snap and I respond to a lot of them. So, like, you can converse with me on Snapchat. And I've gotten some weird snaps. So keep it weird. If you are in a sauna, send your staff. Be coolest principals. By the way, this is how Bill's school principals end up on the local news. I'm like, do we like, eat, PDF raving and, like, getting the kids on Snapchat.

That would be weird. Keep it weird. Yeah. Get nude with me on Snapchat. All right, that was our show. Thank you for being one of the tens of thousands of people who endure this with us. With us? Who endure us?

Sure. Alongside. Grimmer went out the window a long time ago. And that's it. That's the birdcast. Thank you for listening. Everyone's getting a podcast soon. So we'll just go ahead and diversify this.

Good night. Bye. Bye. Bye.