The Vergecast - Zuckerberg's smart home, Android Wear, and CES predictions

Episode Date: December 23, 2016

As the year ends, Nilay, Dieter, Paul, and Ross gather together from across the country via Skype to sit down and bring up what’s been troubling them this week. Nilay can’t stand Mark Zuckerberg��s video about his home AI, Dieter doesn’t know what laptop to take to CES, Paul feels that emoji is too totalitarian, and Ross...is already in holiday mode. Grab a glass of eggnog (from justthenog.com) and sit beside the fire with your favorite tech luminaries of 2016. 04:11 - Mark Zuckerberg’s “smart home” 14:56 - Rogue One talk (level 4 spoilers 16:51-18:01) 17:59 - laptops 22:42 - Apple, Macbook batteries, and new desktops 26:23 - Emoji consortium 28:52 - AirPods review 34:58 - Android Wear 43:34 - CES 2017 predictions 55:08 - Paul's weekly segment "WebOS still exists, Dieter. Are you sad?" 59:19 - Dieter note Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, this is the Vergecast. We don't have any ads today. We don't really have a show. run down. It's sort of a loose holiday get together. Andrew's going to play a roaring fire sound effect for us. Just some old friends who started The Verge together a long time ago. I'm Nealai Patel. Dieter Bonn is in San Francisco. Hey, Dieter. Hello, I am here. In San Francisco. And Miller twins together in New York. Ross Miller, Paul Miller, no relation, but still twins. Hello, boys. We do look pretty twinish today. Do we? Not really at all,

I'd like to point out that Ross Miller is drinking. Is that almond milk or just real milk? Unsweetened almond milk. Wow. We're out of... I was hoping it was eggnog. Yeah, I was hoping it was eggnog too. No, just without the nog.

When was the last time you had a glass of milk? It's probably been a decade, I gotta say. I do it every time I... If things are going bad in my life, I go to the convenience store and I get a sleeve of Oreos. You don't want to get a whole package because you'll eat a whole package. But just one sleeve and then like a thing of milk. And then I dip the Oreos and sip the milk.

But then you run out of Oreos and then I typically have a glass of milk at the end of that process. This is why you get more than one sleeve because you really have to match the Oreo and milk ratio. That's impossible. It's impossible to. I drink strawberry quick milk solely as a troll for Fred of the Verge X hyped out. sitter Sam Sheffer who for a period was obsessed with like high quality chocolate milk. So I would just drink, you know, Nestle strawberry. Strawberry.

Strawberry milk could piss them off. It was a good troll. I'll say this. I'm at home in Wisconsin, the dairy state. And as I was coming upstairs, I'm recording in my childhood bedroom in Wisconsin, by the way, which is incredible because it's cleared out of all things except for my book case, which is most empty of books now, there's two cases of old zip one. hundred discs. Yes. Two copies of Lord Jim by Joseph Conrad, which I'm just admitting now.

I didn't, I never read this book in AP English 12. But I have two copies of it. So that's great. And my parents had placed a fax machine in here. Okay, so anyone wants to send a fax, which is very, very confusing. Wait, Neela, I have a factual question. So I was listening to a football game as the Packers versus the Seax when the Seax got destroyed by the Packers and I was listening to the Green Bay broadcast. Yeah. On the radio.

And I got there was like an ad for for the cheese curd McDonald's something. Oh, I got to run to the local McDonald's. There's a lot of weird cheese ads. Verify this for me. I listen to those broadcast too and there's a lot of ads for dares. Anyway, my point is as I was coming up the stairs, I went downstairs to get a soda so I could like drink something during the show. And I asked my mom, Hey, do you want something to drink? And she said, no, I'm just going to make some chocolate milk. And it occurs to me that very few people say that to me since Sam passed off this mortal plane. And RIP Sam.

And, too, she was going to prepare it. It's like a very Wisconsin thing. Anyway, this is a show about technology. It's the flagship podcast of Theverge.com. Like I said, today's a loose episode. What's going on, boys? I'm just looking up Lord Jim on Wikipedia. Go ahead.

Lord Jim Terrible book I mean I don't know You haven't read it You haven't read the book You can't say if it's terrible I'm sorry Mrs. Breach

My 12th grade English teacher You know what I want to start with something I'm all fired up about something Do you guys see the video The Zuckerberg video With his fake home assistant The Morgan Freeman Jarvis Okay so I'm going to tell the list

Yeah Every year Mark Zuckerberg CEO of Facebook Jovial figurehead of our surveillance state He does a project So one year I taught himself Mandarin. This year he ran 365 miles and 365 days.

But he also was like, I want to code every day. But I can't commit to the Facebook code base because I'm the CEO, you know, the rule of Facebook is if you break something, you have to drop everything you're doing and fix it. And I can't be, you know, I can't make that commitment. So I'm going to write my own smart home. I'm going to name it Jarvis. So he wrote an app for his phone. He built a bunch of smart home controls. He's calling it artificial intelligence.

and he released a video, which is very bad and is a lie. In this video, it's the most, in a year in which Facebook, public trust in Facebook, for a variety of reasons, plummeted to the ground, for fake news, for lying about their internet plane, which crashed because they flew it too long and were utterly reckless, great Casey Newton's story about that, for just any number of reasons. Mark Zucker releases this video, which is him pretend. ending that his AI assistant that he wrote himself is literally the most advanced artificial intelligence home product that has ever existed voiced by Morgan Freeman and in a cameo at the end

Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's so bad. Like people have these, right? Like I have an echo. My parents have an echo. I just connected their echo to their nest last night. All of you have homes and echoes in your houses. You know what they can do. Zuckerberg's like, yeah, Morgan Freeman, I wrote in my spare time I wrote a smart home artificial intelligence products that speaks Mandarin to my baby in a soothing Morgan Freeman voice. I just

I'm watching this and I'm like you're lying and I can't figure out why he's lying to us. Okay, which... Okay, what's like backup? Like there's something he's not lying about, right? Like getting a voice assistant to recognize you

and turn your lights on and off like the echo does that. Presumably he's managed to do that too? Right, and the T-shirt canon, according to the Fast Company piece, it did happen. Like, that is, like, a part of the process. But firing off a T-shirt cannon from a voice assistant is trivially easy. So, right. You can set up an if this, than that channel, and an echo, and a switch to fire a T-shirt

cannon. So why is that fake? I'll build you a T-shirt Canon tomorrow. You know what I'm saying? So that's not fake. Just name your price. So the lie is not that he did these things. The lie is that it is, oh, my God, so advanced.

Disclosure. My wife works for Oculus, which is owned by Facebook. and so theoretically Mark Zucker is my wife's boss. But that's the lie, right? That this isn't as awesome as he implies that it is. And there's a big fast company, gauzy fast company write-up, and the thing broke so many times that the fast company writer was like, it didn't work a lot.

My point is like, why do you do this? Right. Like, let's say your goal in life is to make write your own smartphone assistant. Great goal. You do it. It kind of works. It kind of doesn't. Why then elevate it to the point of,

I, Mark Zuckerberg personally wrote this thing and then make a video that he pushed. It has like 20 million views on Facebook now. And I'm assuming most of those people don't realize that Zuck is lying. Right. I just, I don't understand the motivation be for that. Like, you should watch this video. Okay. If you know how this stuff works, you know that Morgan Freeman can't emote, right?

Like, Alexa can't emote at you. And Morgan Freeman's voice is like cooing at a baby. And it's like nothing can do. If, if Zuck solved the problem of synthesized emotional speech, like he should quit Facebook. Right. He should just do that.

If he solved a problem of like super contextual voice switches to Arnold Schwarzenegger then yelling at your, like he should quit the company started after he quit Facebook because he solved and start another, like these are the biggest advances in artificial intelligence. His, write-up is totally nerdy and completely straightforward. He has like an art, like he outlines the architecture. He lists like the programming languages he used. He mentions some of the features

that it does and how it operates and is completely not overhyped. And then the video just makes it all look way more seamless and a little more advanced than it is. But like most of the features that he mentions in a nerdy technical way are kind of presented in kind of like a slightly better way. But there's still like the same features that he mentions in his write-up. I think that's the Facebook story. Like what you just described is everything Facebook 2016, right? They did a bunch of stuff. The actual details of it are pretty nerdy and straightforward, but nerdy.

And then the way they talk about it is so over the top. at the end of it, you're like, well, you lied. We built a drone to fly around on solar power and beam internet to the ground. That's really cool. Here are some ready details. We're going to change the world with this and bring people out of poverty with our drone. Well, you're, okay. It's a noble goal.

By the way, the drone doesn't work and it crashed. Like, well, you just lied. Like, you lied. Everything, literally every Facebook story, to me, feels like this video in a nutshell. I was going to put this in another context, which is I have been watching today, Bill Gates's 1995 Comdex keynote. He also wrote a book called The Road Ahead.

And I don't know if you all remember this, but I'm a little Walt Mossberg. Bill Gates was obsessed with building the perfect home of the future in the 90s. And that's all that Microsoft ever talked about. And there's something about being an insane billionaire. You're no longer allowed to code the product yourself directly anymore. And so you're like sitting at home and you're bored.

And so you start making a smart home. Like, you know what? We should, we just watch here. A hundred microcomputers and the software that controls them. Everything that almost like 90% of what Jarvis does, other than like the speaking Mandarin, Bill Gates had like built his house in the 90s to do. It was just all based on like pins that you put on your body and then it can tell a room you're in and it would just do stuff for you. As you move through the home, the pin that you've programmed allows you to hear your choice of music on the information

appliance nearest you, even as people in different rooms listen to their own favorites. Do you know my favorite story about Bill Gates the Road Ahead is, is that he wrote it and published it and the internet happened, and he pulled that version quickly rewrote it to account for the existence of the internet. Why the billionaires need to make smart houses, need to make their own houses like insane? This is exactly what I would do with my spare time. Yeah, it's like a boyhood dream. This is, but my point is, my point is to be a rock and roll.

Star. Actually, technically my boyhood dream was to be a school bus driver. Wait. But then later. But if you want to drive a school bus on Saturday, like... I feel like you've got those out of order. Like, first you try to be the rock star, and then you land at school bus driver. And then you... No, well, when I was five, I thought that the school bus driver was really cool. So that's what I wanted to be when I grew up. And then later, I discovered that that that was not an ambitious goal. So, like, you saw Otto from the Simpsons and it's like, oh, he could do both. He is a failed rock star and a school bus driver. Oh, that's true. my dad straight up motivated me by saying if I didn't get good grades I'd have to be the garbage man

And I was like that sounds like fun they get a truck and he was very disappointed My back of ambition My point is this smart home stuff is super accessible I actually saw Farhad was treating about this video too From the Times and he was like I can do everything in this video with an echo and a bunch of Wimo switches Except for the cooing in Mandarin But you can get this stuff

You just go buy it And I don't understand why he says spent, I think maybe that's the point is he spent a year of his life doing something that's super commercially available and he wanted to make it look better than it was because otherwise everyone be like, yeah, you made it, you made a crap echo. Yeah, I mean, but it's like he just took, he just took some, it's like, if he had taken a year, would you be angry if he took a year off to, like, whittle and, like, showed off the, like, driftwood that he carved into a little, you know, bird. You'd be like, you could go buy that bird anywhere, but, like, he, like, learned a skill.

And the skill he learned was to do the thing that the echo already does. That's not a skill. The skill is coding. Yes. Which is, it's a real thing. Wiring things up to work together is not automatic. And also, most of the products that we can buy right now are not designed to work together. And what he describes and what he did is like my,

vision for what I want computing to be like, that you buy components and then you wire them up to do the behaviors that you imagine, not like the narrow range of behaviors that some company imagined for you. I'm with you. I'm, I just don't know why he made a video that's a lie. That's the thing. Like, that's the term. Like, if I had to offer a criticism of Facebook, it is that their instinct is to do the thing you said, which is perceive it. a vision of the future, work steadily towards it diligently, and then right at the end, when they realize they've achieved incremental progress, lie about a bigger vision. Right. Like, that's the, I don't know. I'm just, I watch this video and I freaked out. Like, Facebook has had a year of

mastering the art of deceiving people. Like, in big ways, small ways, they said, we're not a media company. We're not a tech company. Yesterday, he's like, well, we're like the next generation above. Maybe a little bit of a media company. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right. Like, they just, you know, fake news is not a problem. Yeah, maybe we should hire a bunch of fact checkers to mark all the fake news on our platform. Like, they just keep backing themselves into this corner.

I don't know why this video in some way is the most frustrating thing that they've done. I think it's... I think you're jelly. You sound pretty jolly to me. I just want Morgan Freeman in my house. I know. Or Arnold Schwarzenegger. Arnold Schwarzenegger cooing mandarin at a baby is an amazing mental image.

I mean, I think he made that movie in the 90s. Now that's just kindergarten god. Yeah, I was going to say. That was just the Mandarin dove of kindergarten god. Great movie. Speaking of movies, right before we started the show, I was saying I was going to take my niece and nephew to see Rogue One. And you reacted very negatively to that idea.

They're 11, this missing nephew, by the way. Yeah, so here's the thing. I can tell you why taking a 11-year-old to a movie, this movie, I think is not a great idea, but I don't know if I can tell you without spoilers. Would you say that Rogue One is the John Wick of Star Wars movies? No, it's not like that violent. Like, you know, there's like one like straight up terrifying scene that Kwame wrote about.

And, you know, there's lots of like guns and blasters and killing and, you know, war stuff. I don't know if I can tell you why I think it's a bad idea without spoiling the movie so you have to give me permission to give you a spoiler right now for me to make the case rank the spoiler from one to ten like it's so spoiled it's no longer worth watching or

yeah I probably guessed that's one I can give you a 10 spoiler or I can give you like a five spoiler can we work it to back to three to work it back to three. Yeah. I think a three spoilers.

It's cut out a key verb, maybe. This counts as a three, but like, if this turns out to be more than a three, you cannot be mad at me for what I'm about to say. All right. You have to all promise me I will not be pissed. Here's what I'm going to do. If you're in your car and you haven't seen it yet.

Hit mute. And you're really mad about arbitrary numbering systems. 30 seconds. It's only going to take me 10 seconds. Dieter will do the, okay, 10 seconds. Dieter will do the spoiler and then I'll come back when you unmute it I'll rate it for you. Okay. All right.

Here we go. Spoiler in three, two, one. At least one character that they will care about in the movie is going to die and that will suck for them. Okay. That's a four. Okay. It's a four. Okay.

Because you know what the next movie is. The next movie is Star Wars and none of those people are in Star Wars. Right. So presumably, you know, it makes sense. Okay. But, you know, they're 11. I just, I, they should face death. My, my brother took our, like, my nephew who was like, I don't know, eight, seven or eight to see the Force Awakens. And man, I mean, I guess I'll spoil Force Awakens.

That, uh, that one scene with the one thing that happens, it was real hard on him. He just like, he, he spent the next, you know, couple of months all of a sudden talking about death quite a lot and trying. to figure it out. Well, what about old, but he's a bone? That's like in your blood. Like, every now and again, Peter's like, let's talk about death for a while. Yeah, that could have been a viable lesson of like A-list actors who have very tight contracts and didn't want to do another movie anyway and decided, hey, I'll just do it for the hell of it. It's terrible. All right, well, I'm going to take them. I have another story about my niece nephew, which is they, they were in a Best Buy. And I, my brother-in-law said, if you could

get any laptop here, what would you get? And they totally ignored the Macs and picked Surface Books. Wow. Which I think is fascinating. The Surface Book. The service book. They love the, niece loves the touchscreen. Dylan, my nephew,

he's related to me, very much wants to be a DJ when he grows up. It says every DJ. It says every DJ has a MacBook. This is a thing that he said to me very confidently. And then my sister's 2011, MacBook Pro is such garbage with Sierra that he's off Macs and fully in love with the surface. Wow.

Wow. Yeah. It's a real situation. I mean, I don't, you know, they don't speak for all the tweens and, you know, they don't have the, you know, they're not like pro tweens. Like, they don't have pro needs. And they don't really care about ports. So they're good.

But anyway, it's been fun. It's been fun hanging out. I have a laptop crisis right now. I have review units of the Yoga 910, the Specter X-360, the Acer something spin seven that's bad, Surface Pro 4 and MacBook Escape, MacBook Pro Escape. And I'm thinking that my dinky MacBook isn't going to be powerful enough

to get me through CES. And every night for the past week, I've gone home and laid out, oh, and I have a Chromebook pixel too, laid out all these laptops before me and just stared at them and wondered which one I should take. Like this is like the most egregious problem in the world that I've got like 15 laptops that I have to choose from. But I don't know what I'm going to end up taken to see yes.

I really don't. Yeah, I have the same problem. Because I have my 15-inch MacBook, old MacBook Pro, which is dying. I have also a MacBook Escape Review unit. And I have your old 12-inch MacBook. And as I was packing to come home, I literally ended up putting two laptops in the bag. And then I was like, this is ridiculous. The only thing I'm doing at home is slacking and using Skype.

So I brought this one home. And I can bring, I can bring this MacBook Pro, the new 13-inch MacBook Pro with the actual function keys. I can bring it to a crawl anytime I want. Like, it's just a bunch of Chrome tabs and like one too many things going on. And it's like, you know what? I give up. Yeah, I want like a rating, like a standardized rating. This is how many Chrome tabs you can have before your life will suck.

That's the new review scale we need. You want to change the review system at the verge. That's the number. Because I've been noticing, like, or the search field in Slack. Basically, if I have Chrome open and I try to search in Slack, it's slow. Or if I get about... Slack is basically just Chrome, right? They switch it over to run on Electron or whatever, and so it's basically just another Chrome tab.

Everything is a Chrome tab. I have like my desktop mail client is a Chrome tab. Everything's a Chrome tab. Man, it would be great if Google released a Google release. a laptop that was optimized to run Chrome because I would try that. If only they had such a product line and put out one great product in it and then, you know, updated that product. Hmm.

Way to go, Google. That's what, if there's a new pixel, I would buy a new pixel and I would, I would figure it out. You know, I really think, like, the time has never been more right for it. Because, because where I'm at is like, I'm pretty into Windows right now because, like, I can play video games on it and I can like do things on the computer and well the Mac is for slack and Chrome and Apple is like really embracing that and doesn't really think see the computer as anything more than Slack and Chrome and that's what a Chromebook is so I want to say so there's a lot of

backstory here but I'm not like this MacBook is not plugged in right now because USBC means if I plugged in, the microphone generates a 60 cycle hum, which Andrew, our wonderful producer, you don't want to torture him with on this recording. In the 23 minutes that we've been talking, the battery has gone from 100% to 86%. And all I have open is Slack, IMessage, audio hijack and Chrome. In Skype, obviously Skype. Hey, and you don't get to know how much battery life is left because they took the timer away. And speaking of the battery, the MacBook. Apparently.

No, no, no, no. I didn't update. I have two hours and 18 minutes left. Okay. This is my new thing. I don't update my software because they make it garbage. So I just live in the past and then get hacked. Anyway,

let's keep talking. Let's get off this one. The MacBook battery thing? You want to talk with the MacBook battery thing? I was going to talk about Apple in general. So there's the MacBook battery. So Mark German at Bloomberg had an incredible scoop about basically the future of the Mac division. And his point is like no one cares about it anymore.

There's no dedicated. OS or macOS engineers. They try to do some crazy stuff. My guess is that what they were trying to do is use the new contoured battery that they have in the 12-inch MacBook in the bigger MacBooks and they couldn't do it. That's just a guess, but they try to use a new-fangled battery. Like the thing is square. Like, why do they need to contour batteries?

Okay, whatever. Well, maybe they were going to make it look different and they couldn't. Oh, that could be. Right? They were going to, I mean, all the rumors were they were going to taper the pro as well. But so that his story basically, the key scoop in it is they were going to use a better battery, a newer battery in the pro, and they couldn't get it done. So they reverted to the older battery design, which is why the battery is bad. And then it's laced in with like a bunch of scooplets.

Like if you have been paying attention to how Apple software teams are architected, you know that all of it rolls up to Craig Federigi. So technically, you've always known that it's just one software team. but his scooplet is like there's no dedicated MacOS team his other one which I will say was someone disputed to me yesterday someone in a position to know an Apple disputed said they wanted to update the Mac Pro but they couldn't figure out how to keep manufacturing it in the United States and they thought about moving to China and that's obviously politically risky in the current climate so they're just letting it ride

so that was in the Bloomberg piece someone who might know some things told me that that was wrong so take from that way you will, but just basically a bunch of noise around the Mac. And Tim, Tim Cook said that they're going to make some good Macs. What was that Tim Cook? Yeah, that the reassuring letter. He didn't say Macs, so he said desktops. Desktops.

Hmm. Right. So someone in Apple, you know, they have like a forum, town hall forum system. And they said, what's going on with the Mac? And Tim Cook wrote back, desktops are important to us. We have great desktops coming out. So I'm going with. Strong, strong promise right there.

Well, yeah, he was like, desktops can do things. They can have more kinds of I.O., which I thought was an amazing thing for Tim Cook to say. They can have bigger screens. They can be more powerful. All things that are true of desktops, by the way.

All things also traditionally true of laptops compared to mobile devices, but he's focused on desktops. I don't know, man. It's a moment. It's a Windows moment. That's all I'm saying. It's just Windows is so sad.

And then Vlad wrote, you know, an incendiary of Vlaitorial headline. MacOS is becoming legacy software, which I'm doing the kissy fingers right now. You can't see it in your car as you drive. Imagine me doing kissy fingers because that is that is like a perfect gladiatorial hubbine. Are the kissing fingers like a like a moa or like kissy fingers like when you like kiss your hand? Like a chef. Like a chef.

It's delicious. Like a moire. Paul. Paul. No. It's not. I don't think y'all can see about Paul. Lily did the hand gestures just to make sure.

Sure. At least I was aware of the difference in the moire and the practicing kissing on your hand. By the way, both emojis that routinely failed to make the cut at the Unicode Consortium. Like someone's like, I've got this emoji idea. It's just, it's a person kissing their own hand. No one wants this. Update the egg planned. God, I would love to be in those meetings. Have we ever talked about how emojis are, are. kind of totalitarian and like it's like somebody else

defining the constraints of what your language is. Yeah, it's like French. Yeah, like French has, the French language has an institute that's like government sponsor. Is that how it works? Yeah, there's and they literally like won't let words from other language infect the French language.

Right, but the emoji is a non-sexual explicit language. I don't. What? Have you seen the peach butt? It's a language without profanity or procreation. But humans have defined profanity and procreation into the emojis.

We've taken that, we've heightened emojis to the sense of, yeah, we can be dirty with that. Yeah, I mean, I think that's like mostly what emojis are for is near as I can tell. Right, but, but they're trying to quell it. They're trying to,

maybe this is, maybe this is what's wrong with Japan. I don't, that's like, that's why the birth rate in Japan is down? Yeah, but they were way into these emojis early on. It's just a bunch of people showing up on dates with actual eggplants.

They can't express themselves. I brought you eggplants and peaches. I don't know what you were expecting. I just don't like that. Like a company can like show up and like, hey, here's some new vocabulary that you are allowed to have now. We've decided you have more vocabulary. Oh, and some of the words that you used to use are different now. But like what we don't know because there's sticker packs.

There are Kimoji's like I mean, there's a unicorn extortion that sets a baseline. but like we're now like, okay, so I will agree with you this. Paul, it is somewhat evil that a group

referred to as a consortium does anything. No consortium has ever acted innocently. That's true. So that's like a fact. Did you all read Megan Frochmanus's interview

with like the guy who like designs emojis and is part of the consortium on Theverge.com? I did. It's good, right? Yeah. Like he doesn't seem like a bad guy.

He's just a stormtrooper. He never seemed bad. No. He just fell on orders. It's up above. Follow the money, Dieter. He's just getting the emojis published on time. That's all.

So in France, the word computer was not allowed, and they referred to them as ordinators. I mean, this is like the whole, the whole, yeah, well, but the whole French language is top down. Yeah. Which is neat in the sense that, you know, it's very French. This is a terrible conversation. Let's talk about AirPods. Yeah. So they fall out of Sean O'Kane's ear.

They fall out of my ear. They don't fall out of my ears. They what? Don't fall out of mine. Don't fall out of Warren kids. Yeah. So it's like 50, 50, I guess. I don't know.

I think most people will be fine with it, but you definitely got to try it. The thing that interests me is that everybody pretty much universally says, huh, they work way better than we expected. And, you know, it's a hassle that you can't adjust volume on them, but without talking to Siri. But like the take the thing out of your deposit. neat. I like the wireless sounds good. They actually sound maybe slightly better than regular ear pods. Like the thing, like we always complain about zero rating with carriers because like

the you you get a thing that seems good, but ultimately long term it's bad for the industry. And the like the thing with Apple's proprietary Bluetooth stuff that seems good, it works, is like maybe ultimately all other Bluetooth headsets that don't have Apple's proprietary chip in it are just going to be worse by comparison. And like, that's weird to like complain about something being better. I don't actually think that. But we now live in a world where the stuff that gets made by Apple or gets the chip from Apple is going to be fundamentally better than the stuff everybody else gets and fundamentally

better just in Apple world. And, you know, that's Apple's job, right? But it's still like, I don't know, there's a little tiny piece of me that's like, they had just made it a universal standard because that never goes wrong universal standards. If only they'd talk to a consortium somewhere. Yeah, right? It's only they'd brought a PSEG plant

to the wireless consortium. Well, Nealai, you've been using it. What do you think? I think the things that people are praising about them are more true than I or anyone else would expect. So they definitely sound better than earpods, which is surprising because they look the same, and they have more stuff crammed into them.

They fit my ears at least really well, which I feel like my ears changed. Like when I tried them on at the event, they fell right out. But I guess I figured out how to stick them in my ears right. The, you know, take an ear, take an air, take an air pot out of your ear and the music magically pauses.

I think it's really neat. Like, you know, the little Apple delightful touches of the thing are great. The thing that I don't buy is much is the notion that this is somehow more convenient than a pair of headphones because they're not, right? Like a thing I do all the time with a pair of headphones is I take them out of my pocket and I put them in my ears with one hand.

Do it all the time. I'm on the subway. I reach in my pocket. Monkey, you know, I have beats which have the flat cable, the flat rubber cable so they don't tangle. I put them on a pocket. I like find one earbud, stick it in my ear, grab the other one, which is attached to it by a wire,

stick it in my other ear, grab the cable, plug it my phone, walk away. Right? Like, maybe I do that five times a day. Cannot do that with AirPods. Just can't. You got to take the thing out of your pocket. You got to flip it open. You know, I still, I don't trust them yet.

So I got to look at my screen and make sure they paired. I got to take one out, not drop it, get it to my ear, take the, it. It's a lot of fiddly work. Just leave in your ears all the time, man. Never take them out. You can't because you have to charge you. Yeah. All right, if you're on a flight, a long flight or something, you got to stick them back in the cage, only for 15 minutes, which is probably good for you.

Take a little break from listening to stuff. So, I don't know, man. Like, I'm, I'm a clumsy person. I lose things. I look at these. I look at the idea that I have to pay $70 to replace one if I lose it. And I'm just like, is this, is this worth it? Like, what am I getting out of this that a pair of headphones didn't give me already, except for worrying about a battery life and losing it?

Or, and, you know, getting stared at because I have white things. sticking on my ears. Is that, is that, maybe I'm just old. You know, it was my birthday recently,

the sun, the earth revolved around the sun one more time. My body marched towards its inevitable demise. Maybe I'm just an old guy now. But, ugh,

really depressing show today. I gotta say, sorry, everybody. Happy holidays. Happy holidays. Something positive about dongle life.

I, because it's cold now, my headphone cable is like more rigid. Like, does this happen to you? Like, it's less of a

bendy regular rubber the rubber like gets harder when it's cold so it's like sticking out more so it gets caught on doorknobes more huh and i was coming into my house wait what this isn't it doesn't it happens it gets caught on door knobs how how dude my headphone cables get caught on doorks all the time yeah worse is what it's not just a knob but it's like the actual handle yeah but like is it more likely because of the weather yeah because it's more rigid so it's like sticking out more it's not as slack okay okay so walking into my house gets caught on the doorknob breaks out for my phone right but my phone which is

in a loose jack of pocket doesn't come out on my my pocket and fall on the ground and break it just the headphone cable broke away from the dongle yeah so phone safety that's what you want you want little extenders of all your cables you remember when the failure the Xbox had those breakaway cable the original Xbox oh right right oh yeah this is the Remember when Apple laptops had MagSafe? Oh my God. What were those original Xbox controllers called? They had a nickname.

Because they were really big, right? The fatties? Yeah, one of the guys who was like involved in its development was it's actually like trying to put together a project to get them remade again. The Duke. The Duke. The Duke? Yeah. That thing was huge.

I'm looking at a picture right now. Why did it say Xbox in such a giant logo in the middle? In case you forgot. Yeah, like, what am I playing with? Oh, it's an Xbox. What am I tethered to right now? Dieter, you want to talk about Android wear? Dan had an Android Wear scoop.

So Google tells us that version 2.0 of Android Wear, which we've been wondering what the heck, is actually happening. It's happening next year. And Google is going to put out two sort of flagship Android Wear watches. They're not making them themselves. so this isn't Google hardware. So you should think of it a little bit more like the Nexus program

than you do like the pixel program. Oh, the super successful Nexus program. Yeah, well, I mean, we're also assuming it's going to be. The one that didn't result in Google eating all of its own partners and making its own hardware by itself inevitably. Right. Well, it's actually worse with watches because in addition to, you know,

the standard like tech companies that have either not been making them or just backed out of making them in the future like Motorola, they also are like basically like handing like the core like here's how I make a watch to like Michael Coors and fossil and you know anybody else that wants to make an Android watch from the fashion world they can just like stick this Android module in and design the casing around it and have an Android wear watch so everybody like the the conventional wisdom around wearables now is that the only company making any kind of money out of them at all or selling in numbers is Apple and maybe then Samsung and then Fitbit is owning the you know the

health tracker space basically. And Google's response is like, oh, well, we'll have these two that are like a sort of the flagship. We're all assuming it's going to come from Huawei, but they wouldn't say. And then everybody else can make them too. And so they're like, they're building. They've got this market of like, that's all like cut into these little slivers of all these different OEMs.

None of them are going to reach appreciable market share. And we're definitely going to be having this conversation a year from now. of like it's going to be Apple and then Samsung and then Fitbit if they don't implode. And then just a bunch of Android wear. Like what Google needs is for Android wear to be like considered its own category. So people aren't looking at how many of LG sell? How many do Huawei sell? How many to fossil sell?

Which they've accomplished with Android, right? There's the Android install base versus the iPhone install base. Right. But nobody counts individual. But the, one of the conversations just be, wow, these Android Wear watches sure are nice. Maybe we'll see. Like the big deal with Android War 2.0 is that it can basically run apps a little bit more natively and be a little bit less dependent on the phone, which is interesting in an iPhone context because they can work with iPhones. And that means that they can have like a store.

They can have apps that can do stuff on the watch without having to depend on, you know, the phone to help them out. But they can't. They can't have a particularly robust store though, right? They can't have paid apps. on their store because Apple will take the tax. Well, no. There's a hard limit. No, but what I'm saying to you is the watch is its own computer platform.

And so you can just go to Google Play on your web browser, say, oh, that looks like a neat watch app, buy it. And then the watch is able to get Wi-Fi completely independently from the iPhone. And you can install apps on it directly. It'll just shoot it over the next time it sees a watch on Wi-Fi. And so they could theoretically have paid apps on the watch for people that use it with an iPhone if they wanted to. But that's fine.

We'll see if they try and do that. The crazier thing is these watches are going to support Android pay if they have an NFC chip in them. And that will also work for iPhone users. Because, again, it's just like a little Android device on your wrist that could theoretically exist completely separate from the phone. And so they are going to try and take on Apple pay by selling Android Wear watches to iPhone users and have them pay with Android pay with their watch. But would the Android Wear watch work? I mean, could they send that signal through the iPhone or does it need a consistent connection or some kind of persistent connection to actually pay? No, I mean, I don't know.

Like, it's an NFC chip. I have no idea if it'll like go through the iPhone or not. Like it's possible we could see like a showdown with Apple over this. We'll see. But like it's semi-autonomous. It's like an Uber car. It can drive on its own, but you probably shouldn't let it. I mean, this is.

But this is the thing. It's the same as AirPods and other W-1 things. Like the market of things that can connect to the iPhone is not nearly as robust as it should be because Apple controls the stack and they don't want anybody else such a stack. And I'm sure everyone's need out at me and say, that's how it's always been. But don't you want competition for the Apple Watch so the Apple Watch gets better? Isn't that a thing that you want? Like, don't you want competition for wireless headphones so that they get better and cooler

of... I mean, this is, like, part of the story of Pebble failing, right? They couldn't get the access to do the stuff that they wanted to be able to do on an iPhone. They could do most of that stuff on Android pretty well. There's a million other things that went wrong at Pebble. So, like, this isn't, like, iPhone being locked down killed Pebble. But, like, it's a little part of the story. They had to do a lot of crazy weird workarounds to get sort of basic smartwatch functionality

out of Pebble Watch as paired to iPhones. Yeah. Hmm. But the Android Wearwatch connected to an iPhone won't be able to respond to an iMessage, which is still the only reason that I think anyone should have a smart watch. There's not a lot of other reasons, right? It's to get notifications and act on them. And if you can't act on the notifications, like you're doomed.

I just think people fundamentally want a smart watch. And if anybody ever comes up with a good reason to have a smart watch, I think that actually would be pretty successful. This is my new vibe. Don't. Like, it's not. I don't it's they're not selling gangbusters they aren't because there's no reason but people want a reason if someone in a in a in a like a one discreet Super Bowl commercial could communicate to me something that I can finally do that I've always wanted to do that I can do now that I have this Android wear watch I think they would do really well but like I have no idea what it is also even people like do concepts like they haven't figured that out yet there's like the dream isn't really there what if he could teach my baby Mandarin but then you would always be near your baby.

You should just teach the... I'm going to leave you with my watch. Yeah, put the watch on the baby. Hey, wearables for kids, hot market. Been watching the circuit breaker flow. There's a lot coming through. You know, I keep reading these things that are like, the echo will be the most, you know, voice assistants,

like the echo will be the most important thing. You know, the next phone, smart watches eventually, we're all just going to put AirPods in our ears and watches on our wrists and the phone will die. I just don't buy it. Like, I think there's a reason giant phones are popular. I think really big screens are very valuable to people, right? And, like, why, like, very few of these things can do anything better than me looking at a big screen.

I think responding to text messages and looking at notifications is absolutely one of those things. And everybody I know who has a smartwatch is somebody who spends a lot of time on their feet talking to other people. Like, it's like, I know a woman who works in art gallery and she's not allowed to use her phone when she's like talking to clients in the gallery, but she's always responding to text on her Apple Watch because it's not as intrusive. It's stuff like that that I think is really valuable, but I haven't seen anything else. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

Hmm. I like having the weather on my smart watch. Yeah. I like, I like. It's a stuff we always talk about. Like, like, Paul, you're like waiting for like the killer app that'll make everybody. be like, oh, I need a smart watch now. Like what I can't, what would it possibly be?

It's responding to text messages. It's like getting little tiny bits of information. It's health tracking. It's Apple pay or Android pay or whatever. Like that's where we're at. Like it's such a tiny screen. It's got to do something else. Like maybe with like proper good Siri and Google assistant stuff on it.

Like that could be compelling. I do, you know, bark at my watch all the time. time to like remind me of stuff. So that's helpful. But like I don't think there's like one thing that is going to, oh, we didn't think of that. Oh my God, why didn't we think of that? Now everybody wants a smartwatch.

It's just going to be like everybody's going to have a different reason. It's hard to build a big market out of that. Can I read an absurd headline to everybody? You ready? Yeah. LG is launching five new phones at CES along with the new stylus. What are we doing? CS is coming, by the way.

We're off next week, and then, I don't know, we're going to go to Vegas. It's going to be great. But CS is coming. We're doing this show, presumably with much higher energy levels, live on video. Way higher energy. We're so pumped. It's just rail some cocaine and go on camera. It's Vegas.

Why not? No, we're going to do this show as a video stream, bringing back the hype desk. Megan, who was on the show last week, is going to sit at the hype desk. She's going to be doing all kinds of stuff, talking to people on the tweets, watching live streams. It's going to be really fun. We're going to have guests. We're going to have gadget demos. Paul's going to be on it. Ashley's going to be on it. Lauren Good is going to be there. We're forcing Casey to come

to CES, just to do periscopes. Live on Twitter. It's going to be great. Three days at CS. I keep forgetting to say this at the top of the show. This is the most important thing. We're doing it live. CS. Vurgast is going to happen. But anyway, CS is coming. What do you think, Deeter? We've only have a couple minutes left here. Give me some CS predictions.

I think the big story at CS this year might actually just be smart cars. And I don't mean specifically like actual smart cars because like Faraday Future is going to try and pretend that they're not falling apart. Apple and Google are out

and they're like, they've got Waymo and they're going to let other car companies make it. But the actual like silicone and platforms that run these things. Every year, Nvidia does a big Nvidia show and it's like long and boring as hell.

But this year they've got the main keynote and I don't think that other chip makers like I don't know call it Qualcomm call it Intel call it I don't know some other random arm thing Marvell I think everybody's gonna really be trying to get in the game of supplying the parts and pieces that make up a decent smart car that doesn't have an insane giant rig of crap on the top of the car and so like I think that's gonna be we're gonna move from like yeah we could do it to like okay it's happening now it's make it happen a little bit better and a little bit less likely to run over bicyclists.

That, I think, is, that's going to be the thing. Like, it's going to be a lot of talk about what makes a good smart car, what, how powerful does it have to be? Do you have to upgrade it? Uh, and can we make a system that like the entire industry can use rather than like every single car company on the planet has a different system? I think that there's, there's going to be an attempt to like consolidate. power in the smart car space.

Yeah, but like, do you mean in terms of like the processors they all use or yeah, the communication protocol? I mean, that's kind of like saying there's a race. They're car suppliers, right? I mean, they all have, they all have processors in them now. They all have, I don't know, power window control units. Like it feels like what's more important is the, like, standardizing the underlying communication protocol that makes them smart.

not the, they're all going to do it differently, right? Maybe I think that they're like, these things are much more like tightly integrated. Like you've got a camera that needs to talk to the brake pedal and the acceleration. And you've like building that system, they might all do it differently, you know, like the power windows like you say. But I think that these companies are going to be making the case that they can basically do a better job of that integration and providing a lot of stack. It's not like PCs. You've got Intel gives you the chip and Microsoft gives you the software and, you know, Dell puts it all together into a case and then they sell it to you. Like, I don't think separating those things out works as well with autonomous cars than it does in like

a computer. I think it's, it needs to be a much more tightly, more carefully integrated stack of technologies. And we don't know what that's going to shake out to because right now everybody's sort of just doing it on their own. And I think that, um, a bunch of companies at CES this year are going to try and, like, clear that up and become the company that, like, provides that to people. So it would be maybe a little more like a video game console where you need, like, you need to know what all the specs are and you can promise certain performance and stability. Right. And still powered by Nvidia, nine times out of ten. Yeah.

Home consoles are typically AMD. Yeah. Well, yeah, Nvidia just wants the cars real bad. But I don't know. We're getting the switch. They're doing the switch. That's like saying, like the company that ultimately does that sort of thing is like a Delphi, right? Like one of the biggest tier one auto suppliers in the world.

Like that's the job that as a company they're organized to solve. Like, are you building a car? Like, do you need to integrate a bunch of disparate systems in it? Like Delphi to the rescue. Like here they do it for, you know, every GM car is like integrated by Delphi. I just don't see like one company winning that race. Like I think there's going to be a way that self-driving works and a bunch of companies are going to build towards that way. But like Tesla is not going to do it the same way that GM does it, right?

And GM is not going to want to do it the same way that BM does it. Because ultimately they have to sell like a better product. They have to sell competitive products, right? Like if they're all the same car underneath and you're just slapping a differently designed shell on it, I think the car companies like lose something really important to that to their identities. Right. But like are these car companies going to be able to do what Nvidia and Intel do? But they already don't.

What we think of as car companies are like financial shenanigans. Like they don't really make anything, right? They do assembly. They have plants. They do a bunch of core design. But they have these huge networks of suppliers. And the suppliers are the ones that sell to multiple companies and there's exclusivity arrangements and hundreds of thousands of patents involved.

And like, it's that set of companies that is going to figure it out for all the carmakers that ultimately, like, make market and distribute products. I just don't, I don't think this CES is the one where Ford is like, we figured it out. We're going to give it to everyone else. Like, I think we're going to see a bunch of companies like Delphi and Nvidia and AT&T for some reason, which seems to be very involved in this sort of thing. They're going to say, like, we've developed systems that talk to standards. Like, that is really important.

But George Hots is going to be there with an Android phone and a dreams. I can make any car self-driving. But what I'm saying, like, while they're like, there's this tension between, like, the BMW or the Ford should both, like, speak the same language. So when they're on the road together, they can, like, communicate instead of just look at each other. So there's, like, movement in that direction. But there's also, like, going to be a genuine tussle because, like, no one's going

to say, we figured out everybody by our thing. But a few people are, like, saying, but. We want to be that, that company that does that. And it's not just Ford. Like you said, it's, again, it's Envidia. It's, you know, AT&T. It's, you know, Intel, it's Qualcomm. It's whomever.

Maybe they need a consortium. Yeah. We definitely, we don't want, we don't want cars with sex. Like, that would be bad. Oh, my God. The high level way, I, like, what cars are for? It's not an idea.

Porsche has anything to do with it. So you have sensors that definitely have to get smaller so that there's not a huge tumor on top of the car. And we're already seeing some of that. I do think that by the time these things are truly mass market, I'm imagining there's going to be like a couple chip manufacturers that make chips specifically to process the kind of information. So like a GPU is better than a CPU for processing this sort of information, but a custom design chip is even better and much more efficient.

And like Google now uses like its own custom chip for machine learning. And there's just like a new custom chip that came out for like motion planning for robotics. And it's because Moore's law, which I always bring up, on this podcast is letting us all down, there's a lot of processing that is needed to take in this many sensors and make this many decisions in real time about them. I think while Nvidia is going to be wonderful

for the early stages and for the prototyping and maybe the first generation, I think once this is mature, there's going to be custom processors for it. Actually, speaking of processors, do you all think we're going to see windows running on arm? We think we're going to see some like arm machines with Windows 10?

I'm almost like sure of it. But maybe not on the show floor, but as like backroom prototypes. Right. I think there's going to be a lot of laptop action at CES. I'm just going out on a limb. I have no reason to back, nothing to back that up.

No reason to believe it. But I think all of these companies know the windows open. See what I did there. Ooh. And they're going to show off a bunch of stuff because they know they can, They know they can stake a claim to being the more innovative laptop maker right now. And they would be stupid not to take that opportunity.

Yeah. I'm excited for USBC. I just want to see weird things with USBC. USBC has potential for a lot more power, a lot more data through pit-put. It's just like even just the idea of these, like, LG monitors that you just plug your laptop in with one cable, and it's charged, it's a USB hub, the video goes over that cable. It's like really exciting to me and something I've wanted for a long time. So I think there could be more cool USBC things.

Paul, I want you to just take a picture of every single USBC dongle that you find. That's basically my goal. That's basically my goal. That's their only purpose. I want to live the dongle life full on. I'm excited for USBC, but I feel like weird accessories at CES are like one of the only reasons CES should continue. need to exist. Like that's why, what's the show is there for?

It's like a weird vendor that's like, we made a USB powered like chair, you know, like, yes, that's why I'm here. Ross, are you coming? I am coming. I am coming. Well, so there's two reasons to CS exist. One is that. The other one is my favorite thing.

Every year we, weirdly, and I mean it's earnestly, we always get excited by some fridge or washing machine thing that we just were not expecting. Like last year, it was the Samsung fridge that would check. boiled food. I don't know. It's the one thing like I never see coming and I'm like, oh, huh, that would be fun. Yeah. I agree. I don't live in a place I could ever have a fridge that big, but I do like knowing that that someone is doing that. Can I, can we add this podcast on, on a special Dieter note? Is it going to be depressing? Wait, the whole podcast isn't a Deeter note? Whoa. That should be your section. Wait, Paul, there's a thing that we do every week. Paul,

are you ready to do it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We'll end with the Deeter note. Yeah. A new section. You know, speaking of Dieter, the section that I do every week is called WebOS still exists, Deeter,

are you sad? This week, LG combines WebOS, lasers, and lumens into another reason to replace your TV. It's just a pretty cool, like small form factor laser projector

made by LG, running WebOS, this podcast's official operating system. It's true. And it doesn't look anything like WebOS and sad. The verge cast, just type. Oh, God. That's a tightline.

It's great. No, I think this projector looks cool. Yeah. I definitely saw this thing and had visions of like getting rid of my TV and my entertainment console and finding a way to like light up all of my gear that I need to watch TV, you know, the PlayStation, the Apple TV, blah, blah, blah, blah. like underneath my couch and then like building a rig to have this thing like flip up from the back of the couch.

So when we watch TV and then have it go away and then I just have a big empty space. Yeah. Yeah. Or like hanging it from the ceiling or something like that. No, but that's not why you need a WebOS projector. You can just do that with any projector. The reason that you have this is you don't need all the other garbage, right? As far as I can tell, there are no other smart projectors.

So you just have this thing and you just like put it out. you just plug it in and it gets on the Wi-Fi by itself it boots up its presumably kickass webOS Netflix app and you're off and run I'm so sure right like Ricker gave this what I would say is like a super glowing write-up because that is a cool idea right where yeah you you just have a projector and it just comes up and it's all ready to go and then it goes away I don't want my home audio to flow over Bluetooth personally, but... No, I think

it's clear that Bluetooth is garbage, and we're going to end 2016, just knowing it in our... Oh, there's probably going to be a bunch of Bluetooth 5 stuff at CES, right? Yes. Oh, yeah. I hope so, yeah. I really hope so. And then we'll just be disappointed by that in 2017, and then Bluetooth 6 is going to fix it in

2018. That's right. Exactly. Yeah, smart, I think there are a couple smart projections. They're typically, like, meant to be more portable than this. So this, like, is actually a pretty good blend of size and power and webOS. Anyways, that's my weekly statement. Can I just point out that Caitlin Tiffany has been just relentlessly updating a story about Spotify sending weird corn ornaments to people who listen to a lot of corn on Spotify?

And she just updated again. She's up to, like, five updates of, and she keeps doing it, like, really formally. She's like, I have received a screenshot of a correspondence between a corn fan named Sophie. and the Spotify Care's customer help one and Facebook. It's great. See, this is what we need in our lives. There's more, well, we need far less corn,

but more cornermans. I don't know how to bridge that cap. Ross, what are you excited for at CS? Besides the fridges and washing machines, I just want to see dancing drones. I love dancing drones. It's happening. Oh, Dieter, what was your note?

Or was it the one of the election? Oh, so Alcatel, which is, or no, I'm sorry, TCL, which makes Alcatel. Anyway, TCL, blah. they bought the exclusive rights to make BlackBerry phones, and they said they're going to announce a couple of them in the next year. And I just want to point out, I went on a Twitter rampage about this about a week ago,

that this company, TCL, now owns both Blackberry and Palm, and they're choosing to make Blackberry phones and not Palm phones. I think that's a huge mistake. Oh, we're all doing. All right. I think we should wrap it up there. I'm going to just apologize to the listener. I hope you listen to this while you were drinking.

You know, like if you have real friends, I hope that you didn't make them listen to this with you because talk to your friends. But if you don't, I hope that you enjoy just this hangout vibe of a Vergecast. It was good for me. It was healthy. I'm alone again in the dark in my childhood bedroom. Just where I want to be talking to my friends on the phone.

But, you know, we're going to come back. There's going to be a lot of news at CES. We're doing this big show. There's other podcasts to listen to. Walt got super fiery and control. I'll delete yesterday. Thinks Apple had a bad year. Thanks Facebook had a worse year.

Thinks Samsung is doomed. Go listen to that show. That's on iTunes. Lauren Good, hosts a great show called Too Embarrass to Ask over on the Recode side. Peter Kafka had Kara Swisher on his show, Recode Media. She went on a rampage, said the entire media needs to do better in 2017.

That's worth listening to. And then Kara herself hosts a show called RICOD. decode, which is great because it's more Kara. So go listen to all that stuff. You know, it's the holidays. Go, you know, this is my family. These are my verge people. I love you, brothers.

Go find your family. Go drink some eggnog. Find, we start a website called just thenog.com. Just go to that website, type your credit card number into it. Paul will ship you some eggnog. Well, don't do. If you're listening to the show, I presume that you're smart enough not to go to a strange URL and just type your credit card.

No, I just want to own it now. That's it. I'm just going to own it. Don't do. Please do. But if we actually start that business, then do that. I will let you know when you should go to justinog.com and type in your credit card. You should go right now.

No. I can build this. I can build this. I can suck this up. All right, Paul. You got 24 hours to make Justin. It will be a text. It will be a text field and you can type in your credit card number and then that will be stored in a database.

Yeah. And it won't ship. you eggnog, right? And we'll make a fake video of like a fake UPS person bringing somebody eggnog and we're like, oh yeah, no, it's super real. There's done a year on it. But really, we're just stealing credit card numbers. This is great. Zuck it up, Paul. This has been a, this has been a good hang, guys. It's been a good hang. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Thanks for doing this. Merry Christmas. Happy holidays. Whatever it is that you celebrate, happy that. Happy materialism. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Rock and roll. Paul. Paul.