The Viall Files - E1004 - Chelsea Frei, Special Forces w/ Mark Estes, RHOC, RHOM and Christoper Briney Erotica

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

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It just flows off the tongue. Funny, hysterical, charismatic. Smart. He said smart. He couldn't even finish smart. He was like, I don't know if she is. Honestly. That's nuts.

Anyway, the household is full. Our friend, friend of show, Victoria Fuller is here, along with Susie Evans and the, rest of the household. We have a lot to get into, lots of fun to talk about. We got a jam-packed episode for you. Joining us this episode, Chelsea Fry from the new hit show, The Paper. Many of you are laughing, streaming, and enjoying that, as well as Mark Estes. You know him from TikTok, one of the Montana boys, also famously known as Kristen Cavalieri's ex. Mark, who is on special forces, fresh off his relationship with Kristen, joins us later this episode to talk about

joining the special forces family. He's also hot to trot on TikTok, and we'd grill him about his relationship. That's fun. He's also currently dating Summer Rye. Yeah, he's also currently dating Summer Ray. I love that. How do you know Summer? I don't.

Should we get into it? He's dating someone named Summer Ray, who my wife tells me is a lovely gal. I've never heard of her. Don't know her. Well, we had a wonderful weekend this past weekend. Victoria got us out of the house. I guess I did. I'm really into my, like, I'll be.

I'll say this much about the world in that we just need to, like, dive into our community, whoever our community is. Victoria took us to this lovely winery over the weekend. You're welcome. Kid friendly, people approved. Everyone was just, like, lovely and outside and off their phones and just having a good vibe. Smoking cigars. I smoked a cigar for the first time.

They were selling cigars. Anyways, we had such a good time. Like, honestly, it's just, like, it's so good. I really think people need to be like finding what's going on at a local community, whether you're in a relationship, out of a relationship, just get outside, have some fun, connect. Yeah, I agree. Victoria brought a date. I like that next idea of investing in community is just doing, like, hanging out.

Hanging out. Yeah, people don't hang out anymore. It was, too. There was a lot of, like, older kids who were, like, playing with River and then, like, their parents would, like, come, and, like, the parents were all talking to the other parents. And, like, the kids were playing with the kids. And it was a cute vibe. There was live music.

It was, it was fun. It was a lot of fun. Did we just buzz over that? Did Nick just say Victoria brought a date? Yeah, is that what we heard? Is that what we heard? Well, and I did bring a date. Well, you did go Instagram official.

And we are, we are married. So. Hi. Surprise guys. You heard it here first. I'm engaged. We're trying to force a relationship on all our friends because selfishly, Nali and I want to build a community with all our friends,

having babies and in relationships at the same time. It's really all about us, really not trying to force our lifestyle and anyone else, except for the people we want to hang out with on a regular basis. But how did you like him, Nick? I liked him. He was cool, right? Yeah. Well, you had your first.

I said normal, which gave Victoria the Ick. Oh. First off, she's used to an NFL. I'm allergic to normal. Not that he gave her the egg. I'm allergic to normal is crazy. I'm very allergic, highly. Hives.

Hives everywhere. I say normal. She hears boring. And I don't like that because I don't think he's boring. But so when you say normal, it's more like grounded. He's grounded. Healthy? He's even keel.

He's healthy. He's healthy. He's not toxic. He's not really in the scene. He's low key. But you had your first date while you were in New York for New York Fashion Week, right? Yes, we did. He flew to New York and he came to New York.

And we went on our first date and we spent two days together. That's what we did. And it was lovely. Yeah, I know. Very reminiscent. It was just fun. Was Fashion Week? And a whole fun for you this year.

Fashion Week was work. Who did you see? So I was with Paige Osorbo most of the time. We love Paige. How does she feel about me? Hates you. I'm just kidding. No.

She's like, I'm actually your name didn't come up. Absolutely despises you. No, you didn't come up in conversation, unfortunately. But, you know, she probably likes you. I don't think there's a reason to. What do you really think? I think she probably doesn't love your take on Her ex, I wouldn't like it either.

Yeah, I don't get it. If you were like hyping up Greg, I'd be like, uh-uh. And what we're all doing together. So we were working with Tresemay. So it was very busy for 48 hours, which was so much fun. We got to film this like mini-series on YouTube that will be coming out soon. So it was just like show what's going on behind the scenes with Trussamee during Fashion Week, which was amazing because I just have always dreamed of doing something like that. And I finally got to do something like really big for.

Fashion Week. No, that's iconic. Yeah. Sat front row at the Christian Seriano show. Oh my God. They were like videoing us the whole time on our commentary, which is crazy. That's crazy. On the outfits, on the vibe, on the hair.

So it's very cool. That is really cool. Yeah, so check it out on YouTube in like a week or two. Since Fashion Week, I've just popped in my head, question for all of the ladies in the room right now. Like how do you guys approach communicating to your boyfriends or people you're dating, whether you like or. more specifically don't like part of their outfit. Like, do you guys give notes? I have a hard time

giving notes. You have a hard time giving notes? I have a hard time giving notes because, yeah, I don't know that I fully trust myself. And so sometimes I'll see something and I'm like, is this fashion or am I just so behind in the times? But I've definitely been uncomfortable with some of my past partner's outfits. Like, what has it been that's made you uncomfortable? Like, is it skinny jeans? Is it Chelsea boots. No, I feel like it's like risky fashion, you know, like risky fashion where I'm like, oh, like I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have gone for that. I didn't know you were into street the call-out was wild, Natalie. I just was like curious. Like what, like, what was it? I mean, when Natalie met me, I was, I was all skinny jeans in Chelsea boots. And Natalie, God bless her. I, because I am

God bless her, true. No, no, no, seriously. I'm from the Midwest. She turned that ship around. And as a Midwest boy, I always wanted to be fashionable. I enjoy. I enjoy. enjoyed fashion. I made an attempt at like keeping up with fashion. But when you're from the Midwest, it just like, it comes inland much slower. I mean, I had friends getting out of boot cut jeans into skinny jeans when I was migrating out of skinny jeans into like regular fitting pants because Natalie appropriately shamed me. And thank God for her because I used to paint that shit on my pants. And I can't like, it's so uncomfortable. But it really took, but it took a lady in my life to just say, hey.

Because I think all men, when they get to like a certain age, freeze in time with their fashion. I actually think, though, because I've done the whole transformation and, like, gone through that with men that I've dated. And I'm like, you're going to wear this. You're going to wear this. And really

elevate them. And then we break up. So I actually would like to go the opposite way. You don't want to make them hot. I want them to be heinous. I don't want them to be fashionable. I want them to be losers. I don't want them to know the Trends. Until there's a ring on your finger, it doesn't, the fashion doesn't change. Until we are married and I have, I am with child. He's going to look. Girls will not desire him.

Girls will look at him. He will. He will. Okay. So when, if you're not Victoria Fuller and toxic. That is rude. That's actually really rude. I was actually going to say, I did this with my, with my fiancee now. I let him be himself and then now that we are in the process of together as one let's start changing some things so you're like okay now these have to go and he's like i've been wearing these for the last 10 years and you're just now telling me he has had a couple moments like that recently actually a couple days ago he was literally like called me and he was like that shirt that you didn't like um the blue one buttoned down is that was there a reason and i was like i thought i threw that away and it was it was a different

shirt but it was like he was literally calling me with anxiety because he didn't want to wear this shirt because because he knew I didn't like it and thought it was going to look bad for people. You know what the trick is, Susie, for in the future when you're dating a guy. Who gives a shit whether you like, whether it's fashionable or not? If they look like shit, tell them. No, but no, you don't know. It's the opposite. Don't, don't criticize them.

Don't be like, ew, that looks bad. Don't you're stupid. It's more give them something to wear. Pick out something. Maybe it's a gift. Put it, have them try it on and go, oh my God, you look so fucking good in that. That's hot. That's sexy.

Oh, my. got oh you know like men want to feel hot they want to feel good they want to feel pretty they really do and if you just like make them feel that way like it'll work it's not it's not it's not about criticizing what they what they're doing it's like it's gassing them up and like you gas literally gaslight them into wearing what you want them to wear positive gaslighting so and you're calling me toxic that's crazy okay wait i have i have a question because i was in a car full of boys young men if you will i won't go to too much detail about that that but I was listening to this conversation and one of the guys found out that his ex has moved on

and they pulled up a picture of the new guy and he was like slightly less attractive than the guy that was in the car with us and everyone's like dogging on the new guy and just talking about his looks like how it's a downgrade all this stuff and I genuinely like from the depths of my soul I wanted to be like you realize he's probably like a decent human who like doesn't lie doesn't manipulator like it really has nothing to do with his looks i kept that to myself because i actually don't know these people that well but in the back of my head i was like is this like how all men think you lose the girls like because you weren't hot enough or or that this guy isn't as attractive like i was so confused and i'm like i've not been in carfuls of men full of men before so

i don't say it sounds like car full ladies i know i was like my takeaway is like love the fact that they are like pulling up a photo they're like doing being little FBI agents They're like finding a photo of the new guy, like scrolling back years ago. They're like, ooh, girl, he's ugly. Skewer, skinny jeans. I was like, I mean, I was so caught off guard. I was like, is this what happens with men? Nick, do you all do that?

I think, honestly, in a lot of ways, yeah, men are a lot like playing a lot of the stereotypes that are when it comes to like women talking about men and dating. And men are great, well, gassing up their boys and making them feel good. And they'll, they're pulling for anything. If they think their friends hotter than the other person, they'll say that. If they're, if the guy she left him for has like what they perceived to be like not as cool of a job, they'll shit on that, right? They're just like gassing up their friend, you know, just the same way I think ladies would do that. Absolutely.

Right. I would be like she's penis. Like Susie, if your friend was like was all upset about her ex moving on and then you're like, let me see a picture of her and you thought she was less attractive than your friend. would you say true true true but if if i felt like my friend like totally fumbled that guy and like treated him shitty like would i would i like call it out and be like well you did kind of like i would yeah that's the thing is i'm like nobody i'm like nobody's living in reality here like you fumbled her like there's a reason why you guys broke up and you're thinking it's because she doesn't find you attractive anymore but it's not about all the things that you did i mean

no offense let's i don't know of a lot of women groups are doing that with their girlfriends when they're upset with over a guy. That's fair. That's fair. Okay. I guess it's a good thing I kept my mouth shut then. It's like, but were you the toxic one? You fumbled him, unfortunately. Right. Maybe I'm the only person that could have said it in the car, but I was like, I'm not going

to put that. The vibes. I'm not going to, yeah, I'm not going to bring the vibes out. Susie, I want to know, how did you end up with a bunch of young, strange men in a car? I was hitching a ride. I don't want this to get back. You know what I mean? I don't want this to get back to the source, so.

Feels like it will. She was hitching a ride. She was hitching a ride. She had her thumb up on the side of Sunset Boulevard. For my, the summer I turned pretty girls, what is this that I'm hearing that Christopher Brieney is narrating an erotica? Yeah. Is this the thing?

This is the thing. It's like a new series. I'm not a fan of the summer I turned pretty. Why? But I am a fan of eroticas. And so. And she is a fan of eroticas, everyone. And so like, am I excited that young Lee and Art of DiCaprio look alike is going to be narrating?

I honestly, I mean. Do we have a clip? Do we have a clip? I need to hear his sexy boys. Let's see. Christopher Briney's sexy voice. Yep. I'm tuned in.

The problem with the audio book is that I want to see his face. Close your eyes, Leah. Yeah, no. I see his face everywhere. My imagination isn't strong enough. Your eyes are shut. They should be shut. All right, around the room, I want to hear everyone's sexy voice.

I want to start with Mary. Oh, guys. Can you give us a line to go off of? You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined. You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined. Oh, that's all like that. What the fuck was that? A little sickly.

Sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry, you deserve to be loved. Jesus, take smoke her for the past 20 years. Yeah, I want to smoke a cigarette before I do mine, but I'm a little raspy today. So maybe we'll just go off that. Yeah, let's hear it. Okay. You deserve it to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

Loved. Loved. Declined. Leia, you're up. He's like, I'm gone. Leia literally disappeared. Leia! It's so uncomfy.

It's uncomfy. Do it. Okay, fine, fine, fine. Leia, be horny. You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined. That's pretty good. That's good. She's so embarrassed.

She's gone. She deleted herself. She's muted herself. I did reach out to get Christopher Briney back on the show. I hope that's okay. Justin It's against my contract to do that I don't do impersonations or voices

No if Leah had to you have to I can't I can't I literally can't Laya do it as me Justin you kind of always speak in a sexy Yeah I feel your voice is just sexy But that's just me I can't do it if you're like asking me to do it

Can you just say the words you deserve to be loved And thoroughly ruined For the girls Honestly, even what he just said, I just, what did you say? I just do it. And I, that was even sexual a little. Sierra. Ooh.

You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruin. Oh my gosh. She has to share it. Sexy. Wow. Guys, I think we're all hot. Call me so big. No, mine was not.

It was good. Ready? Yeah. I guess. Are you ready? Yeah. You got it. Are you?

No, I'm not. I have the giggles all of a sudden. And I can't feel in character when I'm giggly. Okay. It doesn't feel silly. Giggling isn't sexy. I hate it. I hate it so much.

Please do it right now. I'll go. Yeah, Nick. Yeah, Nick. But don't do it silly. You deserve to be love. That's your silly. I don't know how to.

It just sounds so like. Yeah, like when you're like low. Like, guys, I could just me and you. Oh, God. Please. Should I leave? You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined. Oh, my God.

I feel sick. I never want to hear that again. That means it worked. I love that. You deserve. Give me. She wants to go full, Brittany. Yeah, whoa.

That was like, she was like, you're saying. You just are. To be aft and thurvy. Oh, God. I feel like Victoria is going to have a good one. No, I don't think so. You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

Oh, my God. She didn't have a good. Anyway, so. That was giving me a sexy spy. Wow, round of applause, everybody. More erotic thrillers in the world. Honestly, I'm excited for weathering heights. Is the some red term pretty, like, still airing, Leah?

Is that on? It's done. No, the finale. finale happened and it was beautiful it was perfect and thank god there's a movie coming out now oh my god there's a movie is this season this was season two this was season three three and now there's a movie yes because this was the third and final season we know who she chooses right spoiler alert belly no don't spoil or christopher briny well yeah i thought belly might choose herself for once no stomach chose conrad she said no stomach stomach tummy ended up going

stomach is crazy It was perfect All of the Taylor Swift songs were perfect I loved it dress The dress scene Oh my gosh I could just I can't And then she's like running

I'm like you're so fucking slow Pick up the face Then she has this like one line on the train And I'm like okay And she cooked with that line What was the line? I can't even remember I was just like

And I never want to live this life without you God That's what I said in my vows today So unoriginal Very unoriginal I think she said, I choose you in every lifetime. Yes, yes, that was mine to Nick was, I love every version of you and I would find you in every lifetime. And the similar. Okay, yeah, so she did steal it from you.

And she was at your wedding. And she was at her wedding. Yeah, and she did steal that line. And then they go back to cousins and it's where it all started is where it finishes. And it's beautiful. What was this I heard about like the other boys, like random pop-ups in Paris or something? something it's like fake who's like fake oh yes so they had jeremiah go to paris and they filmed a couple fake scenes to psych out the fans i didn't even know that that's so smart i've chills that is very

smart i love that he's the hotter one like they didn't actually film they just made it seem like for fans like if they saw him filming in paris and it was like oh yeah because obviously conrad was there filming with belly so they had to like switch it up and not let anyone know what the ending was so they brought Jeremiah too, which is smart. Yeah, because people saw them filming, and so they posted, like, BTS of, like, Conrad. They posted BTS of Conrad and of, uh, of Jeremiah there. So they psyched people out.

I love it. And people salustin found out that there was an intimacy coordinator in Paris. So we knew we were getting a sex scene. They're going to be, fuck. I've chills all over my body. There's a sex scene? Yeah. Natalie's only watching the finale.

Was there nudity or was it like? part nude would you see um you saw her back perfect yes but can we talk about the the one hand taking off the bra i was like okay conrad fisher the one hand taking off the bra and then also in the car when they were making out when he like puts his hand against the window to protect her head from hitting it wait wait is that is that like are you guys excited about the one hand taking off a bra it's just conrad fisher doesn't like every guy do that no have you ever been ever had a guy be bad at taking off a bra? No.

Is that something that y'all like go to training camp for? Yeah. I definitely think it's, I don't know. I don't know what the boys are doing. Yeah, put it on a pillow and. Wait, ladies, have you ever had a bra that clasps in the front and then had a guy just freak out trying to figure it out in the back? Yes. No, no, but that's so funny.

But I wish. Yeah. It's the one, it's like a three finger one hand. You just kind of, whew. Right, and they zoomed in it. Or if you're in a sports bra. So I think they wanted us to be like, oh, Connor. Wow.

See, I've never had, like, bra issues having sex. Mary, are you good at the bra snap? Yeah. Yeah. I know how bras work. I've got years of practice. Yeah. The thing with gay people is just, like, unlacing Congress.

Mary's like, bet you wonder how I learned to do that. Wait, wait, speaking of stomach, I saw, like, a viral clip of, like, people were counting her for knowing how to speak fluent French. after being there for like one day, right? Well, yeah, because there's a lot of crossover between people who are watching Emily and Paris and also people who are watching the summer I turned pretty. And the fact that Emily's been in Paris for years and still can't say anything. And then you have Belly who's been there for like maybe less than a year.

And she's just speaking fluent French. Her birthday party was just like full of people, like more friends than I've made in my 30 years of life. It was iconic. Yeah, Emily is so basic. She's just like not, she's not conforming to the culture. No, no. Amelia's realistic, belly is aspirational.

Right. Oh, true. So American of her. Very American of her. So entitled. Okay, speaking of aspirational, did you guys see that Britney Bateman did a cameo where she sings Addison Ray's diet Pepsi? I did see.

Obsessed. How much is Britney Bateman charge for cameos? Probably not enough for this. I agree with that, but it's public knowledge. We should be able to look that up. $49. $49. $49.

That's a masterpiece. Wow. You could book a business video for $2.99, though. I know what I'm getting married for her birthday. Sorry, is she driving while filming? No, literally. It's concerning. Guys, there was someone who posted a video.

Like, it was just a fan that was in, like, Salt Lake City and caught Jared Osmond and Brittany riding a bird together, like sharing it. They were like in full on, like giant, giant jacket, like hopping off of it. The scooter. I need to see. Is she in the front or the back? She was in the front. And he was like one foot on.

Safety first. Yeah. He was one foot on. And people were saying this is real journalism. Yeah, it was real journalism. You know, a couple riding a scooter is like the unofficial L.A. hookup vibe. How would you know that? How many scooters did you ride?

How would you know. How many lime scooters did you take, Meg? How many lime scooters have you taken? I lived in Venice for a period of time. Is this a single line? Tell us. I want to know. Oh, my goodness. Who was it?

I only wrote on it once, so. Oh. Then she got some. Oh. Well, maybe we need to switch to a queen size bed. I don't know. Did you hear about Matthew McConaughey, revealing that that is the secret to his 13-year marriage with his wife, Camilla? I respect it.

Yeah. Listen, we're just in Vegas for that fight with Netflix, and they put us, and they were like, okay, so it's a room with two queen beds. And at first, I was like, two queen beds. Like, really? That's all you have? You don't have a king? Like, a king feels sexy, you know? We were like, we're married.

Yeah. Do you know who we are? We're married. We sleep together. You guys sleep in like separate beds. No, Nick literally got there. He's like, you want the left or right. I love that.

Yeah, but we ended up sleeping in one together. And honestly, you are, you're so much closer. Yeah. I like that, actually. I mean, I like it. I don't think it's realistic, but. Yeah, I could never. I do like the option.

She could never. I like the option. Same. Like, anytime we've gone on an Airbnb, like, for like a friend's birthday or whatever, and we get the queen. bed. I'm just like, actually, you know what? Hold, stop the press. This reminded me, I had a dream about Rowan last night.

What? Love that. Tell more right now. It was like, I don't really, I'm literally remembering it in the moment, but I was at this party, and it was like a party full of a bunch of people from my life. There were a couple people from high school there I ran into. Robin was bartending. Oh, interesting.

All well, that works. And I feel like there was someone who I knew who, who was talking shit about Browen, and I was like, I was defending our girl. That was it, I don't know, but she was. Was I there or no? Yes, she was.

For sure. I was her person. I think it was everyone from my life. Current wife wasn't there. Of course you were there, sweetheart. Bronwyn, all the exes from high school. Was Andy Cohen there? No.

Not that I remember. Well, because Andy Cohen's saying that he never wants to see Jen Shaw again. He did say that. That's definitely. giving she's not coming back for other people like Justin who keeps telling himself that she's going to come back to solid city. I mean, it's confirmed that I had a dream. It was confirmed. So it's happening. I couldn't be happier about it, to be honest. I don't think that she needs

to have a platform. I agree. I hope she heals. I hope she's rehabilitated. I hope that she goes into an honest line of work. Did you see what her team posted from her Instagram? No, I have not. Amazing. Her team said from management, a respectful conversation has already been had with Bravo behind the scenes and there are no hard feelings. Getting ahead of the statement. A.K.A. she's not coming back to Provo. Yeah. Huge news for Sierra and I.

Yes. Yeah. Keep Salt Lake City fun again. Yes. Keep it safe. All right. Well, it's time to get into a little Housewives of O.C. But before we do, just a friendly reminder, we do have an amazing, amazing week lined up for

you tomorrow for a very special going deeper. Trisa Judice joins the show. This is an explosive episode. Our icon or legend. So many questions about Trisa, one of the OGs of just housewives, period. Obviously, a lot of burning questions about her relationship with Bravo. Will she come back? Will she not?

Her relationship with her brother or her sister-in-law. Everything. Teresa spills all the tea. That is tomorrow. Yeah. She is on special forces with her daughter, Gia. Yeah. And so obviously we talk about that as well.

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Shannon is still not sure if she can forgive Tamara, but down to hang in group settings where they're getting paid. Heather thinks her daddy issues are the reason she's friends with Tamara. Gretchen goes to the Pink Pony Club itself, the Abbey, which is crazy place to go if you have a history of being roofied. Emily's only storyline is still her son. The Bev Hills girls have a boogie sleepover. the Temecula girls bust out the Dubrow joint and wear synchronized swimming hats with titty t-shirts. Gina gets stoned and then tell Shannon she's worried about her drinking, which is maybe not the best thing to say if you're high as fuck. Gretchen reveals Slade has an audio recording of Tamara trying to make a pop song and also having sex.

Emily is like OMG, why Slade's so obsessed with Tamara. Gretchen also says she pays for everything in her relationship with Slade and the ladies are curious about it to say the least. Shannon reacts to her group trip limit with Tamara at breakfast. And speaking of breakfast, Emily wants her eggs over hard. Tamara brings up Shannon's dad's drinking problems on camera. Shannon snaps. Tamara calls Shannon an annoying a bitch, and that's about it. Question for the household.

When a girly is the breadwinner in a relationship, why do we shame her for it? Like, why do the other lady shame? I don't think it's about Gretchen being the breadwinner. I think it's deeper than that. I think, and Heather said this in her ITM, she's like, why is he not on the mortgage? Like, why do we not want his name on anything? Why are you not legally married, but you had a ceremony? and you call each other husband and wife like these are valid questions from season one and then

when he came back season three or four with gretchen he just he's never had a job he's always managed a housewife that's on the show but it's like even his mom was on an episode being like what like you can't provide why would you propose to her that's crazy yeah so i'm like he doesn't we've never been clear with what slate actually does and this whole time like gretchen was on the show he was literally like setting up meetings and doing things for her but even his mom was criticizing him not having a job. So I think it's fair, but I feel like they're just also bringing up an old storyline. So anytime Gretchen posts like a brand deal, Slade like got that for her? I don't know if Slade got it for her. Like that's what I'm saying. I don't know. I would assume that

Gretchen has a legitimate team at this point. Right. He like, you know, like in the beginning. Maybe he's just her assistant. He like screens the emails. Yeah. But I'm like, that's kind of like what their point was was that it's like he's not, he should be contributing if he lives there. Yeah. Right. Did you all see next comment on Alex? I got bullied into being messy online. Alexis, y'all know Alexis Waters from Nick's season. Shark girl. I've met her, we've DMed, she's lovely.

We have, like, on it's besties between the two of us. But she posted, like, a clip of last night of her at a rose ceremony being like, move bitches when Nick called her name. And then she put in the comments, do you miss me at Nick? And Nick responded with, no. Ironic, honestly. That's really good. And Alexis responded with just the emoji that's like this.

So it was a jaw dropped. But it was great. I love that. Anyways, I think that that should have been Emily's response when that man asked to pick her up at the abbey. They kept playing that clip over and over again. They wanted us to see that. But I also have to call out Emily because Emily's coming for Katie this season about like talking to bloggers being a fan. Right before they walked into the abbey or something, she goes, well, Gretchen perform.

tonight, and Gretchen did a Pussycat Doll's performance in, like, season four or five. I'm like, Emily, long before Emily was on the show, so you mean to tell me you went back and watched the entire show and you're not a fan? Clock it. That's all I'm just say. Which of the OC housewives are with men who have real jobs? Heather. Gina.

Shane has a real job. Yeah, Shane, he's a lawyer, right? Gina's real estate. Katie. Eddie has a real job, doesn't he, or no? I think Eddie does, yeah. I don't know what Eddie does now because they close down the gym. They own a CBD.

Oh, the CBD gummies. They're really good. Travis is doing the real estate with Gina. Right. I feel like they all have jobs. I feel like they all do. Ryan, that except Slade. He's bringing in the money.

He has a hustle. Slade, Ryan, and then what was the last season? Shannon's ex. John Jansen. Did he have a real job? suing housewives for facelifts? Wait, isn't Slay just doing what Jody with Lisa from Miami is doing?

Where he's just always there for all the business transactions. But it sounds like Jody had like a real thing going and if not still does outside of managing Lisa, but I'm like, I don't know. I feel like if some people come into that role wanting to help out their partner, that's one thing. What's Jody short for? I didn't know that Jody was a gender neutral name. Jodith.

Yeah, I knew so many Jody's growing up. Is that a Southern thing? It's just Jody. I don't think that's short for anything. No. Just Jody. Jodamaya. Judimaya.

Joseph. Joseph. Judith. Judith. Oh, Judith. Judith can be a man's name. Judas. Anything can be a man's name.

Judah, Judah. It was honestly, like, overall, I think it was a little bit of a boring episode of O.C. Yeah. I did love Gretchen playing pillow fight, though. I liked their little outfits. Well, and also, I think it also is just like a setup for what's happening because it's like there's no world in which Tamara and Gretchen are going to get along. How are we not talking about the fact that Gretchen slipped in the she cheated on her husband while trying to record a song and then flipped it on Emily and Heather.

Also, in the state of California, I'm pretty sure that's illegal. What happened? Each state has different laws about being recorded without your knowledge. No, she was recording a song. She was like in the studio. Like, hey, everyone, like, he was recording a song. Yeah, but if you're... I think it was definitely she knew she was being recorded if she was in a studio.

When she was having sex? Oh. Well, they said they forgot, but then it was unclear whether it was one record. recording or two recording. So I guess that could also change the context. And the SoundCloud recording of Tamara is circulating around right now on the internet. See, that doesn't seem right. That does not seem okay. SoundCloud? It doesn't include, yeah, it's on SoundCloud, but it doesn't include the post. Yeah. Oh, Tamara's crazy. Wait, so there's no song. It's just Tamara panting? No, no, it's Tamara's song, but they don't, the SoundCloud clip doesn't have whatever

Slade said was at the end of it. So we don't hear that part. So even that Slade could literally be making this up because he hates Tamara. Why is Slade so obsessed with Tamma? Slade is mad that she keeps bringing Joe around, so he's trying to get her back. No, there's like they've had a long, she's called him a deadbeat dad. They have a long running feud. But like there is an episode in a season past where like Slade did an entire comedy show based around Vicky and Tamara and called Tamara the Michelin Man pulled up a photo of her

in a bikini. Like he's, they've really, yeah, like it's very dark and gross their like history and past. Gretchen also said that Slade lost. money and like business deals because of Tamara like I hate to use this word but it's giving vial but even then teddy what got on her podcast and was saying that there's proof that Tamara had nothing to do with Slade not losing money because we don't even know what Slade does how is he losing money right yeah what's your job losing Gretchen's money yeah and then Gretchen the next morning being like guys I didn't say that I don't don't bring it up like yeah like and you know that you said that on camera

and you're trying to get the other girls to act like you didn't say it when you know it's going to come out anyways and that's why I'm saying I just feel like these two people, no matter how many times they're going to sit down and have a talk or like a come to Jesus moment, they will always be at each other's throats ready to throw something because it's like a never-ending feud. No, Gretchen was crazy that morning after when they were in the whole food's like massage chair thing. And then she just happened to be like, you guys are being mean. You're picking on me.

Emily's like, I didn't force you to say anything. Yeah. What's your favorite massage position? Table. Face down on a table? I love a chair. Really? I love massage chair.

Like a straddle. Yeah, but chair is giving like public. It's giving mall. Yeah, it's giving close on. On display. Do not care. Yeah. Do not care.

You don't like to lay down? I will. But you just plop right in that chair and it's so like it's aeronomic or whatever. Egonomic. But you have your shirt on. I mean, like, I'll let them go underneath if they want to. Oh my God. As long as they ask nicely.

You're never traveling alone. You're never traveling alone. I don't even care. I do not. I care. When's the last time you actually did a chair massage next week? In the airport and Vancouver. Every time we left Vancouver, he was like...

We got to get there in time for me to get a chair massage. And you're not afraid of the germs? Because you don't like theme parks. I don't care. I don't care if it's a man. It's a woman. I don't care. He's not a germapope.

He just closes his eyes. When you put your face in that thing, you're not thinking about who else's face has been in there. They cleanse it. I don't know. It's called soap. Now we will. Or line it with like a toilet seat cover.

I'm having my saran wrap from home. Oh, it's the best. I like to be on my back and then when they do the clavicles, that's my favorite. That's nice. And they're like under the neck. Under the neck. I think they need to focus more on your feet and hands.

I agree. I would like them to focus more on my chest. What is going on with you today? My pectoral muscles are often tight. I'm not like run my titties. I wish they work on my dick more. Like, that's a great thing to say. I will say the looks for

Real House Wives of Miami Reunion came out and they'd make anyone's dick hard. Everyone looked so good. Yeah. Speaking of Miami, I watched Watch What Happens Live episode with Gretchen and Lisa. Did you?

And Larsa? Well, for some reason, it was like, it was displayed as an episode of O.C. If you go to, like, Peacock and you go to all the episodes in O.C., it's listed. And I was like, okay, well, maybe maybe there's like an Easter egg in there and I should watch it. First of all, it was just absolutely bananas the game they played. I don't watch

a lot of watch what happens live. I know they play a lot of games, but they basically were like, guess the age of these housewives. Yeah. And it was essentially a game just like basically outing every housewife's age, which I thought was bananas. I don't love that. Also, it's like, people are didn't they all get it wrong? They got it

wrong and they kept giving Larsa points even though she got him wrong too. But it was like it was rough like someone like Ashley Darby, who I knew was like in her late 30s and they were like 45. And I'm like, that's, you know, it's not so much. about getting the ones that are older, younger. It's the ones that are younger and guessing them older.

Well, it's not because of obviously the episode with Adriana and turning 59. Right. And the whole like the cake thing. Well, first of all, Adriana, she looks fire. She looks so good. Lisa Barlow's 46. Don't Shader? Have we got, we haven't gotten a teaser or anything from reunion.

We just got Reunion looks. Just reunion looks, but they look hot. Yeah, they look really hot. Gertie's hot. Kiki's hot. They all look great. The fact that Julia might be behind the birthday cake with the age. No, it's Kiki.

It was confirmed, was it? Yeah. Kiki was like, it's me. I did it. I thought it would be funny. She was trying to, like, do, like, a little joke, and it didn't land. Well, if you missed the most recent episode of the Rehouse Fives of Miami, here is your rapid recap.

It's Art Basel Week, which is the Miami Super Bowl of Art, the art in question, Kiki's face card. Also, Larsa is moving to a $5.7 million house with a giant gummy bear in the front. She also thinks Todd is going to bamboozle Alexia. Julia's daughters aren't coming to Christmas. Martina is grumpy. Very, very grumpy. Lisa wants Jody to propose because she doesn't like the word girlfriend.

Jody wants Lisa to go to therapy before he does that. Adriana is still mad about her birthday cake and wants to find out who wrote 59 on it. It was Kiki. She wasn't trying to be mean. Stephanie thinks Marisol hates her and she might be right, but also she might be wrong. One thing we do know, there is nothing tacky about Stephanie Sojay. Julia feels like Adriana is pushing her away and no fun anymore. Adriana then decides to tell everyone out of the.

Nowhere that she's not racist. Call back to Wretched Ratchetgate. Kiki is like, I literally am not dealing with this right now in dips. Adriana is mad at Julia for defending Kiki over her. Who knows where we'll go from here. The hero of the episode was a Carol? Adriana's friend. Who was like ratchets for everybody.

The designer. Oh, yeah. She was saying wretched, though. Wretched, yeah. Whatever. She was the hero of the episode. I feel like everyone's confused on that. Nobody knows the difference.

I feel like everyone's confused. Like watching this show, it's like every time it comes out of their mouth. I'm like, I still don't know if she knows. that there's two different words slash what are people hearing? It feels very confusing. Yeah. Again, with that accent and she says a lot of words wrong that I'm just kind of like for this to be the thing we're jumping down

Adriana's throat. That's hard. Yeah. If I were Kiki though, I would have also laughed. Yeah, because it's like we're bringing this up again? Was it Lisa talking to Stephanie about the plane again? Marisol. Marisol talking to Stephanie. It turns out Marisol's big reason why she wants to go on the plane is to poop on it.

Yeah. She wants to break the rules. I love her. I just like, Private plane or not Like that definitely not a goal of mine Oh we I think you missed in the after show Stephanie tells us that she Her uh her glam team She makes them not eat for two days

Before they go on the plane so that they don't I respect that Wait you're kidding No starvation She makes them not eat I feel like she says like don't The person that's not true But I do appreciate

That's what she says But was that like one of the rules that you couldn't You can't poop on the plane Because the toilet paper Yeah, she's like, some people know how to wipe and some people use the entire role. And that clogs up the toilet and that's expensive to fix. Imagine being mid-air and having a plumbing issue. Oh, my gosh.

Can we not? Well, up next, Chelsea Fry joins the show. She's also a big fan of the Salt Lake City Gals of Bravo. Lots to talk about with Chelsea, including her appearance in the new hit show The Paper. That is up next. And following Chelsea, we have Mark Estes. You know him as the one of the Montana boys and former lover of Christopher. in Cavalierry. That was aggressive. Anyways, Chelsea's next.

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Absolutely loving you on the paper. It's become mine and now's like new kind of like going to bed show. It's like me get in the bed and we immediately put on the paper. It's so fun. The office was a show that we binged in bed. We did like a Rested Development. We did. Curb Your Enthusiasm Seinfeld.

You know, we did all those. And now we're on the paper and it's been so much fun. What was it like shooting this? It was a dream. I mean, I grew up watching the office. Like, literally, probably from, like, the end of my high school years on, I mean, it was the show that I, like, binged on Sundays in my dorm room, hungover with all my friends. Like, it's just been, like, in my life for forever. So when I found out I was auditioning for it, like, I kind of knew it was in the world of the office.

I didn't totally, oh, here it comes my dog. Sorry. Jerry, come on. We have a big dog. Jerry Lee, you want to come in? Jerry Lee. We love it. Jerry Lee.

This is Jerry Lee. Oh. Oh. Oh. Bye. Hi. I knew he was going to get back from his hike just in time. Look at him.

There he is. We got Jeff and Steve here. Jeff and Steve? Yeah. That's Jeff. That's Steve. On the ground. Jeff, Steve, and Jerry feel like they could get into a lot of trouble together.

They really could. They're just thick as thieves. Anyway. Yeah. So I found out it was like, When I was auditioning for it, it was kind of like it's in the world of the office. We didn't totally know what it was. I'm glad I did it because once I knew it was the scariest thing ever. But then, you know, just realizing how amazing everybody from the original is and, you know,

just everybody they got was so incredible. But in particular, Greg Daniels and Michael Coleman just made it feel so like it's okay. You're allowed to be here. We're making our own thing. Did you have a chance to talk with any of the actors from the original office? Obviously, we know Oscar is in it. You know, he's kind of the one thread between the office and the paper. But just wondering, yeah, if you had a chance to like just, you know, pick any brains for the people who did the office, or is that something you just kind of wanted to keep separate and kind of have the paper be its own thing? Two things. Definitely, one, kind of keep it separate and be like, we're not trying to do what they did.

it's too perfect and iconic and I would never want to be compared to it like you know as like a one to one but the first day it I think it was like a hair and makeup test and it was Sabrina Donnell and I in the hair and makeup trailer and we're just like gabbing and like I had like you know like eye patches on whatever that we're figuring out our looks and the trailer door opens and John Krasinski and Steve Krell walk in And we're all just like, it was just so, it was like 5 a.m. I was like, what? No, please don't do this. It was like literally like nightmare. I just like look insane. And they were shooting a commercial on the lot and they both worked with Donal and adore him and just came in and surprised us. And we're so sweet. It was insane. Like literally couldn't have been nicer. And, you know, they, we told them we were like, we were like, We're so nervous. Like we just don't want to be compared to what you did. And they both were just saying, like, they went through the exact same thing with the office, it being, you know, a reboot of the UK office and how you kind of just have to let it be your own thing. And then John kept like asking me, he's like, what do you put in your desk? Like you have to like put like fun things like in your desk. And I, like, hadn't even thought about that yet. And I was like, oh, that's a good idea. And you do. You get to like put so many fun little things in there that you can like keep. What did you put in yours? I put. food, which then I did get in trouble for because Universal has, like, a raccoon problem, which I didn't know about.

Oh, yes, yes, yeah. How did you not know that already, Chelsea? I know. I know. And I apologize. And literally, like, I remember, like, I was so excited, like, put, like, all, like, my favorite snacks. Like, I, like, stole from Crafty and, like, put them in there. Because you don't, that is, like, the one kind of cool thing about the show is, like, you don't, you kind of just are working at a desk all day. Like, you don't leave a lot because you're in the background of so many scenes. So I, like, filled it up with, like, all my favorite snacks.

And then, like, I remember Monday morning, they were like, no more food on set. There's raccoons. I was like, that wasn't me. Who did, who's doing that? He told me to put kings in my desk. Yeah, and you have to have internet on your computer. That is something they told me to make sure I had. And I did.

And it was crucial. Oh, so, like, while people are doing scenes, you're out there just, like, doom scrolling. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just like, I'm on at sea. I'm on revolve. You know, I'm just like, well, because he told me that Jenna Fisher used to answer fan mail. Like, she would like literally be on her computer, like on my space answering fan mail. And we obviously didn't have fans. So I was like, I'm not going to go look for our non-existent fans. But no, it was like you can kind of just get stuff done while you're on there, which is kind of fun. How did you find out the news that you were renewed for a second season before the first even came out? I woke up late. I think we had some press thing the night before. And I remember I woke up to a bunch. It was, you know what? It was actually the night the embargo was lifting on reviews. You kind of like know when those are coming out. And I think we're all really nervous. And, you know, again, like so proud of the show, just scared of the comparisons to what came before. And I remember Donal and I were like texting like late that night before being like, you know, whatever. happens. I've had so much fun. We've had a great time. And we're so proud of what we did. And then I woke up to a bunch of congratulations. And I was like, what happened? And we're renewed. So that's how I found out. How has the response been now that the show is out and people are

really enjoying it? Or do you feel like people are kind of gradually getting into it more? It's been overwhelming. It's been really so great. And I think it's just, you know, we shot it like over a year ago. So it's cool to kind of like revisited and see what people are responding to and things like I don't even remember. And yeah, it's it's been really, really cool. You guys are like a reality couple who like found love on TV and had to hide their relationship for an entire year before they could tell people that they were in love. Yeah, kind of, a little bit. Well, yeah, and that was the other thing. It's like very, you know, not wanting people to know anything. Like even like Oscar, we would, he would be on set and it was kind of hidden for like six months and then it got leaked but i remember

like he would like walk out and universal trams would like pass our lot and i would just like kind of like get in front of him he was that you know you just didn't want people like uh spoiling anything but um yeah it's been it's been so so fun for people to kind of meet all these characters is it true that you're like obsessed with Pilates i mean it is kind of true i do love Pilates well it's girlies well and i do have to just like talk to you about something because have you ever been and you're probably the victoria in this story so i'm going to tread lightly i'm victor okay this is my best friend of victoria she's an everydayer yes sure sure okay you know the type so she was like come to ballades with me like it's so fun it'll be so chic we'll get like a coffee after it'll be so cute so i went with her

right i did we got obviously reformers next to each other of course of course as you do and we're going we're going and i'm like feeling kind of good you know i'm like okay i feel like I'm, you know, kind of easy. And then we really get into it. And the instructors, like, you know, she's like, keep dipping, keep dipping and lower, lower, lower, lower. And I'm like, I can't get any lower than this. And I look to Victoria and she's like, what's wrong?

And she's like, not even breathing heavy, like just absolutely. Yeah, nightmare. Right. Nightmare. Okay. So I will never be returning to this Pilate Studio with her because it was like, I don't need that. No. Well, here's what I'll tell you.

Okay. I would never do Pilates with somebody else. You cannot, you cannot do that. Yeah. That's like rule one of Pilates. I have had. It's actually so true. It's so true.

No. Especially with your best friend. Yeah. My Pilates instructor, Caroline Satelli, she's amazing in L.A. We met somebody's like hooked me up with her at the beginning of the pandemic. They were like, oh, she's doing online classes. It has now been five years, since 2020. We do Pilates together, like, at least a few...

I probably do it, like, two to three times a week when I'm being good. It's pretty good. Yeah, like, the past couple weeks I've been, like, she's like, where did you go? I was like, I will be back soon. But we have now done Pilates together, like, two to three times a week. And you get so close, like, I don't know if, like, personal trainer. I've never had done that before. Like, you get so close with them.

Like, you talk about everything. We have never met in person. Like, I'm not kidding. I've been with her through her marriage. her now they have a baby like we have like i have moved so much has happened in our lives and we have never met in person it's kind of insane and we like joke we're like you're my best friend but like if i ever saw you in person i think i'd scream like i would you even stop to say hi supposed to me once and we like canceled it we like got to nervous it's like the weird it's like crazy you're like

what if you're not real you know and she told me the other day she's like how tall are you and i was like, I'm, like, I'm tall. I'm like 5'8. And she's like, I'm 5'4. I was like, that is what? Like, I thought of you as like my same height. Like, I'm going to meet you and be towering. It's just, I'm too much. You guys are talking as if like you couldn't possibly be friends in the real world. We also used to live two blocks from each other. Up until like two years ago, literally lived a few blocks. Do you find out she's just AI? That's what I'm scared of. She knows all my secrets. So when you're, when you're not being an actor and honing on your craft.

Rumor on the street is you watch A Little Housewives. I do watch Little Housewives. It's your favorite. So I am really like only, and let me just say this, by the way, because I'm not like the biggest reality TV person. When I, like, you know,

this is like my first kind of like press tour, whatever. When my friends found out I was going on the bio files, brains. They were like, you made it. You made, like, made it. So let me just say like this is huge for this is huge club for me with all my friends. Shout out friends. Shout out to the friend.

Shout out to the friends. Um, I meant to say that earlier. Uh, but anyway, yes, I really, I'm only really watching Salt Lake City, which in my opinion is I'm the best. It's enough. It's enough. It's more than enough. Yeah. For me, like some of the other franchise, it's labor.

And this is a labor of love. for Salt Lake City for me. If, okay, if you were gonna, if I was gonna introduce one other one into my, into my canon, which one would you suggest? I would probably say O.C. Okay. Oh, Atlanta's also really good, though. I think I watched like the first season of Atlanta and then a long, long time ago.

Watch Dubai. It's only two seasons. Oh, Dubai. That sounds good. I'm like Orange County, you got a lot, a lot to watch. And it's pretty insane because it goes back so far. I'd also say if you like Salt Lake City, I don't know, early Miami is fun. Or ultimate girls' trip and then decide who you like from those seasons.

Yeah, that's the best way to do it. Yeah. I'm literally writing this down. Ultimate Girl's trip. Ultimate Girl's trip. And then pick your favorite housewife and watch their season. Yeah. Okay.

Amazing. Amazing. That's genius, Justin. Yeah, I'm finishing up season five right now because I need to catch up to season six of Salt Lake. And I just watched Meredith's Fun Mitzvah, which was a very special day for it. Mary banging on the season. the glass was like maybe my favorite the name.

Do you feel like Britney Bateman deserves a snowflake? Um, I'm not sure yet. I'm not sure. I'm like, I'm liking the energy she's bringing. Does she get one in season six? I don't know. No. Still friend of.

Maybe it's just like them, the producers being evil geniuses because Brittany does seem like the type, if you really keep her motivated, she'll keep giving. She will keep giving. Yeah. She might get lazy if you give her a snowflake. Sure.

I'm interested to see if, like, I'm, like, I almost don't. want you to give it away. Like, what's up with her and Jared Osmond? I don't, like, I'm kind of like trying to stay where I'm at so I can then... Honestly, I think it's still up for debate. They were just seen on a lime scooter together, so... No.

To be on a lime scooter together. That's the ultimate dumont. If I'm ever on a Lyme scooter on Bupa, like, literally, that's... Herd my house down, please. Truly. Chelsea Fry's seen on Lime Scooter with... You're filled a blank. Jared Osman with Jerry Lou

With Jared Osmond is crazy Wow have you guys ever ridden a lime scooter together Did we? Yeah Oh yeah we just talked about this Nick was like If you, what did you say? You definitely were hooking up with you're in Venice And you see a guy and a girl On a scooter

It's probably a first date and they're definitely Hooking up That is so true It's a lot of trust I can confirm that living in Venice A lot of A lot of sexual attention on those lime scooters. Which housewife do you feel like from Salt Lake City would do best in the paper universe?

Oh, my God. Honestly, pretty. You know, I feel like I can see a face off between Mary and Esmeralda in a really exciting way. So good. That's so good. Yeah, Mary would absolutely just, like, read Esmeralda and, like, say something really off-putting about, like, her fashion or something. Yes. Yes, I see them, like, I see their fat, like, yeah, that, those two going head to head seems very, very fun for me.

Wow, that's a fun idea. Isn't it? We got to pitch that. That's a second season. Two in the room, please. Get Mary in there immediately. Well, yeah, that's funny because Alasmarada's character was based off of, like, someone who was, what, naked and her, what was she allegedly on? She was like, oh, married at first sight.

Married at first sight. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Or Farmer wants a wife? No, I think married at first sight. one of those shows yeah i do want to see yeah some more crossover well because you have the paper you're guys on peacocks you maybe we'll get some like housewives bravo crossover you would think

wouldn't that be the dream like it'd be kind of great like if all of a sudden you guys were at work and all of a sudden you're you know you're on a lunch break and like they're filming real housewives or something yes they're filming it across the street yes don't even and esmeralda's like oh my god this is my moment. And she like, you know, like, she's like,

I'm one of you guys. It makes sense with her. Because like that's all she wants. It's writing itself, people. And you're welcome. Get on bar. Do we have a game, Mary?

We do. We do have a little game. What's the game? Okay. Okay. Welcome to the game of all games. It's called Not Safe for Work. And it's some like rapid fire,

you know, office related questions. So we're going to ask you, Chelsea. Are you ready? Yeah. Okay. Great.

What is your biggest ick for a co-worker? Biggest ick for a coworker. Somebody loud. Loud. We used to get so mad. Alex Edelman like literally had this. I don't even know what it's called. He just like thought it was funny to have like the loudest toys ever on his desk.

And he would like like, it would be like a marble that would like clink, like clink, gling, bling, blink. And like once you put it in, it would go for like 10 minutes. And it was like, we were all like, oh, that's funny at first, Alex. And then we were like, if you do that again, I'll kill you. Yeah. Be quiet. What is the most annoying thing you've ever had a coworker do? I had, okay, so I, like, worked at a startup, like, in New York a million years ago where I, like, ran a front desk at, like, this work place.

It was like, we, like, director of first impressions. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And a worst one ever. So they, I remember my boss came. in. And she was like, hi, Chelsea. I was like, morning. And we had to, I'd get up like 5 a.m. and, like, set up the space, whatever. She goes and sits like, I'm not kidding, five feet away from me and slacks me. And is like, hey, Chelsea, smiley face. Um, so you've mainly been doing a really good job, but we'd appreciate it if you could stop wearing your pajamas to work.

Like, we'd like for, like, people to, like, look a little, like, nicer when like they, you know, you are the front of house. Da-da-da-da-da-da. And I was like, is she kidding? And then I looked, I remember, like, literally looking down, being like, honestly, she has a fair point. Like, I couldn't. I, like, literally was in full sweatpants. But the fact that she said hi, couldn't tell you in person, but went to Slack to message. Well, that's what I mean. I'm like, that was the, that's why it was so annoying.

It was like, just say it to me. Say it to my face. Like, you can see her, you can see her writing to you. Yeah. You're like, hello. That would be a great paper scene. That would be hilarious. Yeah, that's a scene.

Which email sign off feels the most passive aggressive to you? Best. I was just about to say I don't like best. Yeah. I don't like it. Warm regard. I would,

oh, I hate it. Warm regard. Anything abbreviated. Warm. Yes. It's giving cold. What do you guys sign off with?

Yeah. Like I thought best was being too. I do. Yeah. Oh my God. I'm a, I'm a, thank you.

Mine is this, even when I'm on a laptop, it's this was sent from an iPhone. Sorry for my typos. It's actually genius. He said, I'm on the go.

I like that. I like that. I feel like I'm too, like, I'm like, X-O, XO, XO, XO, XO, love you so much. Like, I get, like, so stressed. I really want people, like, think I, like, love them. And it's, like, way to, it's just, like, weird. I definitely send way too many exclamation points. Like, no worries if not.

It's like, yeah. I once sent an email with per your request, and the person I emailed got really mad at me. I could tell via email. I could tell the energy. Well, per your request is very, like. That's direct. I was being a bitch. It's, I don't want to do this, but because you asked here.

Oh, I get it. It was per your request. I just don't get a lot of per year. Like, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, per your request. E-mailing you for fun. To say that I had to write my emails today. Would you rather deal with the loud chewer or the oversharer in the cubicle next to you? Overshare.

That's, you know. Overshare is fun. Like, give me all the tea in your life. True. There's stuff to go home with. We would get, like, so bored on not, I mean, we were working. But it was like, there's so much downtime because you're always just, like, shooting different scenes. And my favorite days were when, like, Oscar would just come over to my desk.

And, like, we would, like, pretend to be, like, working in the back of a scene and we were just, like, gossip for hours. Oh, my God. If your character had to write an opinion column, what would it be about? I feel like a really durable shoe. I feel like she'd be, like, very excited about, like, a shoe that, you know, is good. for hiking, good for day-to-day, doesn't get worn down. I feel like she likes very practical fashion pieces. Waterproof, shoe, good for hikes, good for city slickers.

Yeah. Which buzzword or corporate jargon phrase instantly makes you cringe? I've been hearing, okay, I don't even know what this means. But have you been hearing about like the verticals or whatever? I sound like such an idiot. No, what is it? I don't know. They keep going.

Am I making this up? Don't make me keep going. No, like your category. I come from corporate America. What's the verticals? Like your segment? Like your team? Like your...

Like vertical integration or something? What is it talking about? Is it like... There's so many different types of integration, you guys. Well, isn't that like your like marketing would be one vertical and right? Or am I wrong? Sure. I'm telling you, I don't know.

But I like, I hear vertical integration and my eyes. And you're out. It's a business strategy where a company gains. control over multiple stages of its production and distribution process rather than relying on external suppliers and buyers. Virginia. Yeah. I should be a CEO.

All I know about vertical integration is they talked about it in 30 Rock. And I was like, I know business. If you weren't entertainment, what nine to five job would you be at? Anywhere I could have a label maker. I like do love. It's so fun. I love organizing things. Yeah.

Do you scrapbook? not scrapbooking not nobody has time for scrapbooking nobody has time for that it's so funny you say that though because like i did use to scrapbook when i was like a kid oh we've lost that art for him haven't you can bring it back i could bring it right on back but yeah i just like i like i love the idea of yeah my my mom was a secretary at a construction company for like 30 years and like she just is so good at like files and like every and i was that i would love that okay and that wraps up the game, yeah. Of our game, did I win the game?

You won. You won. Chelsea, this has been so much fun. It was an honor to have you. We're loving you on the paper. Can't wait for season two. And also just really excited to see where this takes your career. Big things ahead for you for sure.

Where can people find you, follow you, anything you want to plug, promote, any of that fun stuff other than the paper? Chelsea Frye. Cross the board. I think I just have an, I think I just have an Instagram. F-R-E-I. I'm not. not great at socials but yes I'm on

Instagram um no thank you guys this is like as I said big clout for me in my friend group so thank you guys so much we'll come back please I would love to well anytime you want to talk if you're watching Salt Lake City and you want to come back and share your hot takes just please reach out thanks Chelsea thank you guys so much

by Jerry bye Jerry bye Jerry he's like take me for a walk okay thank you guys bye so much fun she's cute she's great I really like her

I feel like she's one of those people like because she said the Pilates thing where like you would see her in L.A and she'd just like avoid you guys like not make eye contact

right because we talk to her virtually so true I actually appreciate those people sometimes though when you're out and you're like oh gosh I also didn't want to say

hi so yeah and you're like thank God you actually like you didn't see me too yeah love when that happens that's the best If I see any of you in person

And it wasn't planned When we decide to mutually ignore each other Yeah We're minding our own business You know Me and Natalie just see each other out We just like don't make eye contact Well speaking of minding your own business

We definitely don't do that with our next guest Mark Estes because he used to date Kristen Calvalleri So we've heard Yeah I feel like you've like literally He does have more to him than that Of course but our audience It's like, listen, know your audience.

Know your audience. Also, shout out to the Montana boys. But Mark is making a name for himself. He's on the new season of special forces, and he's doing TikToks with the rest of the Montana boys. He's hot. Let's just be, I mean, we got to meet him in person, and he's sexy. Okay.

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My fellow special forces recruit. Hell yeah, here we go. We'll definitely talk some special forces, but we want to get to know you a little bit more. Obviously, you've made some waves. I don't know. How long have you been famous, I guess? When did the Montana boys really pop on TikTok?

Yeah, famous is a crazy world. We can, I know. I'll call you famous. You don't have to call yourself fame. What is fame these days, but people know who you are outside of like your family, you know? Yeah, we started back in college probably two and a half years ago. And it wasn't really like popping off at first. Like we'd post maybe like once a month and, you know, it would go. But we didn't really care because we still had a graduate school and we're playing football. And then it was our senior year. So that was about a year and a half ago. We started taking it pretty serious and posting more. And then that was kind of like our long term goal. is when we graduate, we're just going to hop in a truck and drive down the Nashville and see what we can do. Was there one of y'all in particular who was like, I feel like this could be bigger than what we're making it. We need to like hunker down.

Yeah, honestly, it was Caleb and Cade, honestly, especially Cade. He was like, he really won't. Yeah, I just, I don't know really. He was like, everyone's about me. So we do what, no? Okay. Yeah, I was like, shit. So are you living in Nashville?

Actually, I just, I was there for the year and a, for the last year and a half, but I just moved out. I'm building the house with my brother in Montana and then I float here with my girlfriend. I love my Virginia to grow from Montana. Did you really?

I love her. And girlfriend. Hello. Where is she from? Bozeman. No. Missoula. Missou Montana.

No shit. Mizzula Montana. Shut out. You got him at his prime. It's been downhill since then. That's funny. That's crazy. So you're currently dating Summer Ray.

Yes. You are. Do you realize, I don't know if you were in the wave of Summer Ray when Summer Ray was like waving, but do you realize how iconic she is? Yeah, I do. Yeah. Yeah, I understand the magma dude for sure. Is your master plan to, and I say this with all jokes, just to date, you know, you're, you become famous,

but you're like, I'm going to date women more famous than me. Because is that a way to, like, humble yourself? I don't know if that's my master. master plan, but just kind of how it worked out, I guess. We just met stage coach and the sparks were flying, and so we just kept rolling with it. Who noticed who? Like, was it like, oh, that's Summer Ray? Or was she like, oh, that's, oh, that's, well, I DM'd her before.

Oh, period. Yeah, like, that's how we met. Oh, no, shit. What was your line? I don't remember, honestly. We can look it up, yeah. I'm sure you have to scroll a long ways back. Yeah, let's see.

It would be here scrolling. So you had DM'd her and y'all had chatted before stagecoach and then at stagecoach you actually met in person. It's like, hey, are you going to stage coach? I'm going to stage coach. Right. Yeah. And then it was funny though because we were actually staying at, you know, like the brands do like a big house with people. And we're actually staying at the same one.

So it worked out perfect. Shut up atone. Okay. I said you're something else with like the. It's kind of like you're unreal. Yeah. That's what my wife was like, you're unreal. I said on your unreal.

You don't have to overthink it. You just basically say something nice, you know? Yeah. What, like, when, like, what is a Montana boy? Like, is it, uh, it's starting to change a lot. Okay. But at first it was definitely just, they're strapping on TikTok, you know, with like three songs.

That's all we had in our, in our belt. Okay. There's a lot of, like, people who, like, try to copy, you know, or mock, you guys. You know, y'all are a little, like, the, I think it was I'm one number away, maybe. That was, like, one of y'all songs that everyone kind of started, like, doing the Montana boys, like walk up and sing and like circle around or whatever did y'all was that just something that like happened you know we're like let's just yeah that's something that just we were you're like i'm gonna sing this yeah we just like that part you get that part and then it just way it and then we just kept

doing it and yeah it's crazy honestly because it's not like it's a dance people say it's like a dance but it's really not we're just like literally it's just a little lip singing it yeah like a hot men just kind of who's idea was it to thirst trap to like sad songs That I don't know. We were just country kids, so we just love country music. And I don't know. As a college football fan, I couldn't help but notice that Alabama had a tough opening week. And then I saw some clips of some of the football players from various college football teams, these D1 athletes, they were doing what seemed to be some Montana boys.

Were they really? TikToks. And people seem to be frustrated. It's just like... Like men used to go to war. Yeah. It's like, you know, this is why you're losing. 40 to 13.

Doesn't seem like your heart's in it. Do you guys feel like you've changed college football? Do you feel like you're responsible for Alabama losing? For the fall of Alabama? I'd like to think so. I mean, honestly. I'm not a Tide fan, so I'd like to think that. That is funny.

War Eagle. I think that was NIL though, probably, if that's. I had to really think about it. Okay. Okay. So I feel like we have to obviously get into Kristen Cavalry. That was, I mean, I know in all respect to Summer Ray, of course. But we have to, I feel like we have to dive into that a little bit.

Did you, did y'all meet the same way on social media? Yes. Okay. I'm going to not talk a lot about it. Okay. But just because this should be respectful to my girlfriend, that's how I'm going to come a part like with questions with it but I will speak a little bit would I feel like the most respectful thing you can answer is how y'all broke up I'm saying who why'd you break up

led you to summer yeah it just wasn't we're in different times of our lives obviously different points in our lives I guess and it just wasn't adding up and it was just time to do it okay time to do it And so then special forces contacts you, and they're like, hey. They special forces, actually, that was, they contacted me like in May. And so I only had like two weeks to get ready for it. Oh, wow. That's kind of like how you did, yeah. Were you an immediate, yes, I want to do this?

Or like, what was your opinion of it? Or what did you know about it before you got the call? I knew decent about it, honestly. I know Dwight, Howard pretty well. And so he was on the first season, I believe. And so I talked to him. It's crazy. He told me that's something I should do and I should go on it.

And then, yeah, that call came through and my agent asked me, and I was pretty pumped, honestly. How are you pretty close with Dwight Howard, that friendship come about? We, yeah, it's kind of random. We were actually on a show together. What was the show? I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about it, really. It's not out yet. It's not out yet.

Will it ever be out? About the, yeah, it's about to be out in like the next couple weeks. Okay. So look for another show that Mark is on with Whitehall. Okay. So it's been busy. Yeah. Had you seen special forces before you signed up?

I have, yeah. Okay. I watched the first season. I remember watching it. Not the second? I watched a little bit of it, yeah. I just had time to watch all of it. But I did watch a little bit of each season.

But when the first season came out, I remember watching it back in 2020. I remember I saw like the commercials for it. And I was like, Nick, you need to do the show. This is like hot shit right here. And he was like, I think they asked me. And I said, no, I didn't have time or something. And I was like, what? You turned it down?

And he was like, I don't know. And then second season came around and he was locked in. They only gave you a couple weeks too. Literally a couple weeks. Yeah. Two weeks. He was like getting in the pool, our pool, because it was like kind of cold. And he was like, this will help train.

We were filming in New Zealand during the winter time. Oh. Is that when all the, there's all the rain and stuff? No. Did you know where you were going? I was hyperthermic for the last three days. Oh, shit. Did you know where you were going?

Not for like the first like a week. Yeah. I think eventually like after a week like we said like the contract was through and stuff and they told me. Right. We have a couple of your recruits. You know, we have Teresa and Gia. We have Jesse James Decker and her husband Eric. I think there was Sean Johnson.

Sean Johnson and her and Andrew going into that experience knowing what it's like you know you don't you have you know you're all by yourself obviously the recruits kind of band together and you guys are a support system but did you do was there a little bit of envy or jealousy with like these people had each other and that support system because like the DSs they're just literally breaking you down calling you a piece of shit all you all you want is like some like just come you know just tell me I'm doing a job yeah like you're like a little cause something you know something you You have like, Gio or I love you. I love you. I'm like, I could have used a little bit of that. But yeah, what was that like? Yeah, I think that definitely, it definitely gives them an edge. You know, you're on the show and just like a little bit of emotional support like during a challenge or, you know, day-to-day stuff goes a long ways because the DAS ain't giving it to you. But yeah, I think it for sure gives you a little edge if you have a spouse on there or like your best friend or something.

Yeah, like there's your motivation, you know. I can't say that I like heights or anything like that. but I mean I'm not like I don't have like this terrible fear of heights but I found that when I was on the show the challenges for for the most part kind of fun yeah you know and it was everything in between when they're just beating the shit out of you that's a lot of stuff just a heads up when you watch it you're going to be pretty frustrated because you know they can only show so much like every episode on what hour hour and a half I don't know and your days you know yeah they felt like we fucking 18 hour days so like you're going to watch it back and all the The whole audience is going to be like, oh, that's crazy. I can't believe they did it to you. And you're going to feel like they showed, like, just, like, one sliver of, like, the fucking torture that you endured. Right. Now, remember Nick was like, we ran so far.

We, we kept in so much shit. I'm like, that was, like, five miles. And they showed, like, five minutes of it, you know. Yeah, that's going to be frustrating, I'm sure. Did you go in with fears? No, that's funny. I didn't honestly have any fears. But, like, you said, once I got there, though, I felt like I had fears.

Like, I'm not really scared of heights, never have. been, but for some reason, like, we'd be doing certain challenges, and I'd be, like, shaking. I'm like, I've never been scared of hikes over my life. They showed a clip of the underwater one submarine or what? Your was what, a helicopter? Yeah, underwater helicopter. How was that for you? Obviously, we don't know. Oh, yeah, that one was, that one was brutal for me. Like, is under, like, I feel like a water, that, like, that would be my biggest fear of, like, losing oxygen. Yeah, that one was pretty tough, honestly I going into it I thought I was going to be fine but like once you're in it you're like holy shit once you're in water like oh yeah and then I didn't plan it out very well

overthought my strategy going into it which you definitely shouldn't do and I started counting in my head instead of like just waiting for the grab you know and so I started counting in my head and I got to the number I thought it was going to be but you're counting too fast you're like one one one two so I got to the number and I didn't get grabbed yet and so I'm like shit Who'd you feel like was the meanest yes? I think they all kind of were pretty mean just depending on like like Q could look at you and you'd be like oh fuck he's pissed you know but like Foxy and Bailey are very like verbal you know so like you can tell them out of you because they're gonna fucking tell you yeah but Q just would like look at you and to shake his head and disappointment and you're like alright Q didn't on your season Nick he would like laugh like he'd have some like he had like this wicked laugh like yeah he does gotta it's so crazy it's so crazy he came to our wedding and he was like i mean just like dancing with

all the women on the dance floor like just the nicest most charming man and then to see them on this show is just such a stark difference yeah i'm sure have you talked to i mean obviously you've talked to them since and it's like yeah is that shocking to like hear them be actual people it definitely is like Rudy, I saw Rudy in Q yesterday and they were, yeah, they're just normal people. Yeah, they're normal people. I don't know if Rudy's normal.

Yeah. Yeah, they have moments for sure. What surprised you the most? It's surprising how serious it was. Like going into it, I knew it was serious, obviously, but I didn't know it was like. A real life simulation? Real life's, like, it's legit.

Like, it's serious. Like, there's no, like, No cuts. No town time. Nothing. No. No. They're on your ass 24-7.

Are you a picky eater? I am actually kind of. And so that was rough. That's what fucked me because like I, I wasn't getting the calories. And then we were in the cold. So like I was just losing. I don't have much weight to lose. And I was just getting fucking just dropping calories.

And now my body was, I got hypothermic and I couldn't warm up. Oh, sure. Because I had like, yeah, it was. Nothing in your. stomach that's still one though yeah dog yeah we had a lot of hard boiled eggs

me and johnny i wish they we got hard yeah yours are like watery eggs oh god yeah i could i would have i would have killed for hard boiled eggs yeah that's the only thing that kept us going who did you leave with like being your closest friend

honestly so it's kind of crazy there's a lot of there's like six of us that are in nashville like out of the national area so obviously all the Nashville people but me and johnny definitely like we've hung out since then, you know. Do you ever think he'd be friends with Johnny Mansell? No, honestly.

What about Dwight Howard? No, either. Okay. Did you know about him or his backstory before coming on the show? Honestly, I knew about him, but I didn't know his backstory, and I didn't know a lot about him, like I knew who he was. Yeah, he's a very fascinating person with a very polarizing story, a lot of different opinions about him.

What was he like just getting to know him and being one of your fellow recruits? Um, yeah, I thought he was pretty cool. Um, we didn't have like a bunch of like conversations, honestly. Um, but he was a very, he was a very nice, respectful guy to me. Did he talk much about, was, was there, were there familiar with his story? And did they, anyone? Like, interrogate him or like, because it is, it's very, it's very fascinating with a lot of, you know, there's like a new Netflix documentary about it and things like that. Did anyone? Not that I noticed or they weren't talking to me about it. Maybe because. I still honestly don't know much about it. Was there anyone you got to know who rubbed you the wrong way? The wrong way, no, but Cody Brown. I was about to ask him. So Cody Brown, we're, I don't know. Like, he's super nice to me and, you know, he's a good guy.

But he would just, you know, everyone on the show, he would just get so, like, dead set on it. And he'd always say, like, when he gets nervous, he starts talking. And so sometimes we're just like, bro, Cody, settle down a little bit. You're making this worse for all of us. But he's not malicious guy or anything He's a nice guy He's just talks about Who of your crutes surprised you the most

In terms of like You know maybe you met them And thought they're not gonna go That far But you can't say spoilers But who went maybe farther Or surprised you than Or he's just like more like beast in challenges

Or like whatever than you would expect Honestly Nick Young He got through a lot of shit that You know I thought Before going into it I'm like oh he's done for sure because he would say it you know he would say uh i'm not doing this shit but he would eventually get through it so he got through a lot of shit he didn't think he was going on did you ever say you were done um yeah there was one time after the tunnels i was like if we have to do tunnels again i'm not doing it

i remember you were like next there were several moments where he was like i'm fucking quit well no but you always say that like everyone has their thing like everyone had their like excuse for yeah my experience doing it it's like you know there's a pride element to it like if you if you first of all just showing up for this crazy fucking show knowing that there's like no incentive to stay whatever they pay you is like you can quit five minutes later there's literally no incentive so there's a little bit of like craziness in anyone who shows up and obviously there's a sense of pride

in that person who shows up and I have found that like for everyone for all the people who ended up you know quitting or leaving the show you saw it like earlier earlier before they quit and they would start coming up with reasons why they needed to leave that to them wasn't quitting like like Des Bryant like started bringing up like he needs to call his kids and he was frustrated that production wouldn't want him call his kids and things like that and like other people were just talking about like well I don't I don't have a problem with the challenges but they didn't like they felt unsafe in the jeeps where we were

going to and things like that which were all again all valid but like you could just tell people you know they're coming up with shit they were coming up with shit because they you know listen like you just it's you're like why the fuck am i here yeah that was yeah that happened in our season too and even i found myself doing it a couple times then i'd think in my brain i'm like just stop being a pussy about it you know like just because the food's not good like that's not an excuse to leave because you know there's this yeah i think it's human nature like you know in those fucking scenarios they're insane and it's like the little shit in between the challenges aren't that bad at the end of the day it's the shit in between yeah they they're scary but they're

kind of fun. Were you surprised how little training or or just like I thought we were going to get like rehearsals. Oh yeah. I thought you know I did other shows where you do stuff and they're like if any anything remotely you know dangerous you know is like a two hour safety course

so I was like oh we're going to get all these like and you would show up and they were just like all right here's how you do it. It's I'm just going to show you from 80 yards away. All right go and you're like the fuck yeah that was tough doing that and we did like a little like I'm sure you guys did it too like the day before you went on the show you probably did like a two minute little like how to repel or something thought we didn't even do that they were like can you they asked us if we could swim and I did swim for five seconds yeah that's kind of what we did yeah that's all the training we got

okay were you hoping this would turn on your girlfriend number right by doing this yeah I think so I think she's very excited her and her family they're excited to watch it so yeah How did your family feel about you going? They thought it was sick. Yeah. You know, my dad, he's very, you know, he played football his whole life. So he's, like, very, like, detailed. And, like, so he's watched every single episode and just sending me, like,

spark notes of everything. So he loved it and that I was on it for sure. I do have to, why did you text, uh, Kristen, I miss you after you guys broke up? Sounds toxic. I don't even know what that. I don't even know what that's about, honestly. Okay. I mean, it was probably like eight months ago when we first.

broke up or something. Yeah, we got to ask the people. Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't recent. I know that. Period. What's next for you? Uh, what's next? We got the two shows coming out. And then I'm going to focus a lot, I think, on modeling a little bit for the next year. I want to get into acting. Okay. So I'm going to start maybe doing some acting classes here and there and just see where that kind of takes me. Did the Montana boys break up? No, the Montana boys are still there. We're just all kind of doing our own thing. And then once we, like, once we're, like, once we're, like, once we're together and stuff we'll still do stuff together um we still do events together and all that kind of stuff but Caleb's kind of DJing and doing his own thing was it Caleb who was dating

caler from love island yeah they had a little romance we saw him on or heard about it that's no longer happening yeah she's with a new guy yeah she's with a new guy all right if they are is are you like the leader it depends what we're doing okay so it all depends Caleb's more like if we need to get shit done or like have like a video we need a post or make like i'm for sure you're sure. Like, who's the hairy styles of the Montana boys? Caleb. Okay. All right. Yeah, I go, Caleb.

Interesting. All right. Well, Mark, thanks for joining us. Best of luck the rest of the season. Excited to see how it turns out. It sounds like you're going to do pretty well. You're a good physical shape. It's a mental, it's definitely a mental game. Jojo offered to carry Tom Sandoval for Nick. That was a biggest mistake you have been made. You know, when they offer you take it. I'm carrying Tom for like a mile on my fucking shoulders. And this is after I started becoming hyperthermic earlier in the morning. I'm

fucking done. And so, and Jojo was a beast. Like, she fucking crushed it the whole time. And so I put Tom down. She's like, let me take them. I'm like, all right, fine. You know, like, she puts Tom on her back and she walks 10 feet, maybe. And then she's like, and she puts them down. And they're like, that's all we needed. And they just fucking kept looping and make it seem like Joe Joe, like, saved my ass and carried him the rest of the way. I look like such a fucking bitch. It was, uh, fuck you, Fox.

I'll never let that go. Anyway, well, I wish you was nothing but the best man. Happy that you're part of the special force of the family. Excited to see how you do. And if you don't win, I'll always have it over you. Yeah, you will. Yeah, you will. All right, well, that will do it for our episode.

Thank you to our guest, Chelsea Frye, Mark Estes. Don't forget to tune in tomorrow for an explosive episode of Goering Deeper where Trisa Judice lays it all on the ground, the floor. She spills it all. She talks about it all. And then on Thursday, we have a great episode for you as well. Madison, Pettis, Chris Clemens, and Alexia Nipola are all with us. We'll see you then. Bye. Bye. Bye. Thank you.