The Viall Files - E1010 - Rachel Lindsay, DIVORCED Nicole Kidman/Keith Urban, RHOSLC, Love Is Blind, DWTS & Bachelor Thoughts

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Rachel Lindsay RETURNS! And she has thoughts… We get into her divorce– as well as Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban’s– RHOSLC, Love Is Blind Ep1, DWTS, emasculated men vs successful women, all things Bachelor and so much more. Plus, Scheana and Tamra are fighting? Lala’s daughter is cursing? Mom’s have issues with their dogs? Tune in to find out what that’s all about!  “The first book was not tea, this book is gonna be tea!” Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  We’ve partnered with Mint Mobile to open a hot takes hotline to hear your scorching hot opinions! Give us your hot takes, thoughts and theories and we’ll read and react to the best ones on an upcoming Reality Recap episode! All you have to do is call 1-855-MINT-TLK or, if you prefer the numbers, that’s 1-855-646-8855 and leave us a message. Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: First Leaf - Get cozy and pop open that perfect bottle of wine from Firstleaf. Go to https://tryfirstleaf.com/viall to sign up and you’ll get your first SIX handpicked bottles for just $44.95. Cozey - Transform your living space today with Cozey. Visit https://cozey.com Cozey, the home of possibilities, made easy. ShipStation - Upgrade to ShipStation today to get a sixty-day free trial at https://shipstation.com/viallfiles  Nutrafol - For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://nutrafol.com and enter the promo code VIALL. Mint Mobile - Ready to say yes to saying no? Make the switch at https://mintmobile.com/viall  ASPCA - To explore coverage, visit https://aspcapetinsurance.com/viall  Timestamps: (00:00) - Intro (17:32) - Rachel Joins (42:45) - DWTS (52:52) - RHOSLC (01:10:50) - Love is Blind (01:38:10) - Golden Bachelor (01:47:50) - Outro Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @therachlindsay @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell @the_mare_bare

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let's give credit where credits do not to Sierra credit to Justin sweet boy Justin really dominated he really he quarterbacked this thing also mary wasn't here either no i wasn't i was here i was here for some of it doing florida things yeah mary was still very helpful more helpful than sierra okay well certainly certainly more helpful than sierra not as helpful as justin not as helpful as justin well you guys did great i hope for those watching uh or if you're listening be sure to check it out on youtube it really looks like a household we're really doing we're doing someone's living room i don't know who's living room it is but we're in their living room it's It's like...

It's the household living room. It's the household. And you guys are the household. Welcome to our household. We have a very exciting episode. Lots to get into. We had the premiere of Love is Blind, Denver. Right?

Denver style. What season are we in? Nine. I made that up. I don't know. That's a good guess. I think it's more eight. I think it's eight.

I think it's eight. I'm pretty sure it's eight. Yeah, it's season nine per. All right. In Menver. Commonly known as Menver. It was back in the day. Because there's so many men.

Because there's so many men. I don't know if it still is. Mary, can you... Why have never been? Is Denver? Is Denver still referred to as Menver? And what is the dating ratio in Denver? Sounded pretty bleak.

Is Denver still referred to as Menver? Well, Mary looks that up. Also, what's going on this episode? Rachel Lindsay is joining the show momentarily. Our queen. You know her from lots of things, very successful, very accomplished queen that she is. Long time ago, she was also... Oh, we're falling in love.

Nope. Well, I mean, we're falling in respect of each other. Anyways, Rachel's here to talk all things. Bravo. Some love is blind. We'll catch up with Rachel. See what's going on in her life. She is our first in-person guest at the new studio, which I think is fitting.

Because she was one of our first, she was one of my first guests on the Val Files a long time ago. She's been on a few times. So she is returning to the show. We'll get into some dancing with the stars as well. They've really modernized that show. I'm obsessed with it now. It's so much more fun than when I was on it. Why do you say that?

Because of their beep bopping and like... No, Nick was like, it looks so much easier now. No, no, no, no, I don't want to say easier. Nick, Nick, I have a confession to make last night when I was watching Dancing with the Stars. I did go back and watch some of your dances just because I was curious and I've never seen them before. What do you think? You did a great job. I looked scared the whole time.

A little, but only because I know you. What did you think of his Pinocchio? That was my best work. More so his beer, his lack of beer. The puppet was really good. That was my best work Nick was like they gave all No no my favorite was when you

When you jumped onto the rope in the ceiling And got whisked away What? What? What? That was my last dance That one I have nightmares about Because it was my favorite dance It felt really good about it And then my legs cramped up in the middle of the dance

Because I didn't drink any water during the day Because I was like kind of nervous And it was just a whole nightmare And then I got eliminated that day I wish I could do that one again But no they're just modernizing it They're just kind of having more, you know, it's ballroom dancing. Like, we'll get into it later, but it's a lot of fun to watch these days.

If you're not checking it out, you should. I do have the facts about Menver. Oh, my, please. Yeah, so Denver is not officially or widely referred to as member. However, it was once referred to in slang as Menver, but the nickname has fallen largely out of use. It's like, yeah. Did the ladies hear about a lot of eligible men and they all moved? Well, basically, though the term was sometimes supported by data showing a male heavy population, its validity was frequently debated, and it became outdated over time.

And by 2024, it was like, nah, the ladies moved back in. The ladies came. Fember. Fember. I have a question. Has River started cursing yet? Unfortunately, no. Honestly, kind of shocked she hasn't because of Nick's sailor mouth.

Do you curse around her? She does say something that sounds like, oh shit. I just, I, I just, it's just part of my vocab, you know, it's just. That's why the moms are mad at us because they can't listen to this with their kids in the car because they're like, Nick cusses so much. I'm sorry, guys. Should we bleep the swear words? No, that's so much work.

The editing too. Listen, moms, like, we all know you swear. We know you swear and when your child swears, just blame it on me. Yeah. You know what? I'm just, I can be your scapegoat. Uncle Nick. I'll wear that.

did start saying, yuck, which is really cute. She's a bit jet lagged because we were coming from the central time zone from the lake. So she woke up at four in the morning and was like, da-da, yuck. And then I had to go change her diaper because it was a little soaked through. And while I'm changing her, she goes, dada, yuck, dada, yuck, daddy, yuck, daddy, yuck, daddy, dada, yuck, dada, yuck. Which is, if you've listened to the show, yuck, one of my favorite words to say. So I don't know how I think Allison. Allison taught a tour.

Because she was sticking a, like, ball that God knows where it came from in this studio. But she was eating it. And Allison was like, hey, yeah. That's my stress ball. Yeah. Why do you ask, Leah? Well, so Lala posted a video of Ocean saying she was calling her, I think, half-sister Riley a bitch. And Ocean was calling.

Ocean was like doing a, was recording a video. And she called Riley a bitch. And then Lala happened to be walking by as she did that and was kind of. Kind of like, what did you just say? And then she... She just happened to be recording? I mean, I thought that it was good parenting. Well, it wasn't live, I don't think.

I think Lala posted the video later. No, it sounds like she gives Ocean the phone to record her little videos like she's making vlogs, but they probably just don't go anywhere. But this one she posted because, yeah, she literally was just like, yeah, Riley's a bitch. I was like, what did you just say? Didn't she say she heard it from her dad? Yeah. Because she was like, where did you hear that word?

She did. And she was like, my dad. I bet. I would not surprise at Randall's calling people bitches. No shock there. Then Ocean, didn't she say, my mom got mad at me? And that makes my feelings really hurt. It was really cute.

Honestly, I thought Lala did like a good job. Same. Do you think Randall's referring to Lala as your mom's a bitch? Your mom's such a bitch? Yeah, probably not to her, but definitely like on the phone in conversation. Probably like that bitch asked for da-da-da-da. And she's like, bitch, great. For sure.

She actually just, it was so sad. She, Lala was just talking about, I guess, how she went and, like, had her will made or something. And she's like, you know, once you get to a certain point in life, you got to, you know, have a will. It's called kids. And she was basically saying that, like, she's like, if she were to die, she was like, Ocean would obviously go to her father. And she was like, and she would probably never see, like, Sosa, her sister ever again or, like her. She really feels that way? She feels like Randall.

Is there any of a monster? I don't know, I'm personally. You think Randall would be like, let's go to. Well, I mean, I don't know. But you would think that, however, if you have a speck of a heart or a speck of love for your child selflessly, regardless of how you might feel, that would be your child's sibling. And therefore, you would want to go out of your way. But you're right, Randall's probably a heartless bitch. A heartless bitch.

You know, you know who else is a heartless bitch? Me. And you. Me. Me. Why? I'm a heartless bitch. Because ever since I have had a kid, I have been so mean to my dog.

And let me just paint the picture here. This dog was everything to me, brought her everywhere, cutest thing in the whole world. And now, like, I just don't know what to do because I have no patience for her anymore. And she is just panting all the time. And I'm just like, she wants to play. And I'm like, yeah, no, of course you do. But like, I literally cannot. Yeah, Lady and the Tramp nailed it.

Yeah. They did. For real. You're not for. Maybe this is sexist. I don't know. But it's just you ladies. Well, because we're the ones who are constantly being touched by our children.

Yeah. Attached at the boob. Or at the hip. Literally. But no, you're not alone. And I think that's a very common feeling amongst moms, new moms, because they, it is. It's so much with, with newborns and babies and toddlers because you're doing so much all day. You're breastfeeding.

They're nonstop. Want to be held or touching you or calling you or whatever it is. River's very much in her like, Mama, Mama, Mama, Mama, Mama, Mama, Mama, Mama, Mama, Mama, Mama, Pee's. And I, yeah, and when the dog is like wanting you, dropping their wet, slobbery ball onto your lap, you're like, I will get rid of you. Has Louis started eating bugs yet? Excuse me? No, but he does on the topic of dogs, try to eat the dog food all the time.

Oh, dog food. Okay, I thought you were going to go. Hey, I tried to, I remember when I was little one time, I thought, you know how they make like scooby snacks that are graham crackers and then scoobie snacks that are actual dog treats? My brother told me the opposite was true And then I ate like a scooby snack That was a dog treat Y'all, so I've talked about Such a good brother

My cousins who live in Spain They're born in Spain, live in Spain, whatever They would come every summer to the States And they'd come to Alabama and like, you know See my grandparents, whatever And I remember we went to Petco And you know how they had like the buffet of dog treats? Oh yeah, the like edible ones

My cousin from Spain was like Oh my God, free cookies And, like, literally ate one of each. She was probably, like, eight years old. And finally, she's like, these don't taste good. And you're like, wait, no. There's a lot of chicken flavor. She's like, yeah, really, like, bacony.

I was expecting chocolate chip. Yeah. The fact that she just kept going. I know. But it's like, they probably don't have that in Spain. She's like, one of these have to be a good flavor. One of them got to be good. There's something about things being free.

Yeah. I don't care how much. They're not free. You, like, build your own. It's like a candy store. Because they're a kid, you know, like you get something new, you know, it feels free. Do you remember Mrs. Fields cookies? Yes.

Yes. That's how she blew up was because she would give the older cookies in the day that were made out for free to test for the customers because nobody came. And so then all of a sudden the line would start because people chaste it the cookies and then we'd get in line to buy them. Oh, well, Natalie, Georgia, they have Publix in Georgia, right? Of course. Publix as a kid, when you're a kid, you get free cookies. Oh, yeah. Every time you go to Publix and it's like a huge thing.

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. The sprinkles? Oh! The sprinkle cookies? The chocolate chip as well? I'll pull it inside me. I'm so good.

I heard crumble cookies are the, no, no, no. I've been on, no. I've been on crumble cookie TikTok and it's been showing like what the equivalent of the amount of sugar. Yeah. And it'll be like 52 liters of Coke. Nope. Really?

It's the equivalent of one cookies. I don't really fuck with crumble cookies. I don't find them to be that good. I actually, I taste how much unnecessary crap is it. We had, we had them at our wedding. We had the mini ones at our wedding. And I feel like the many Kilt you all.

Yeah, I hope everyone's okay. And this is why Nick had to cut out sugar. He had all of it in one day. I had all of the sugar. Yeah. I still haven't had any sugar in 2025. Which has been so sad because we were obviously at the lake. And Nick's mom was like, oh, I want to bake cookies.

I want to bake this. And then she was like, it's Nick's birthday. What should I bake him? And I was like, you won't eat. And I was like, I want to make cookies. And I said, well, that's cool, but I won't have any. And then she did not. Because if I'm not going to eat it, mom doesn't make it.

It's really... Sweet baby boy. She's like, fuck Natalie. I'm not making it for this bitch. And then I was like, could you do him gluten-free? And she was like, absolutely fucking not. Like, it's just not going to work. Is it your birthday?

They're not for you, first of all. I will say it is nice to see Natalie and my mom bond often. Well, Natalie had, you mentioned it last episode. She had some anxiety with River just like being around. Like River tripped and fell and whatever and, you know, got a little boo-boo. But it is sweet to see. When it comes to mom stuff, Nalia and my mom really really bond over stuff.

My mom, obviously, being a mom of 11, has been through it. Right, right. So she's a nice, nice resource, you know. Maybe I don't, I see it, but maybe you don't feel that. No, 100% I do, yeah. No, I love your mom. She's great. Does she know to put the waffle in the poster?

She does. In fact, she doesn't just be like, well, she asked for it. Too soon? Not for me. Not for her either. Anyways, I think Rachel Lindsay is here, so we're going to bring her on and get into all things reality TV. That's up next. Well, as you know, we have been moving in to so many new places.

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And it's super convenient for me. Much closer. For us, really. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking of the three of us. It's like, how do you get Rachel on the show more often? Put it five minutes away from her. It's been a while since I've been back.

Like, I was thinking about that. I thought I was just here, but no. No. Last time you were here, I think it was right before you announced your divorce. Okay, let's clear some things up about this. People were really upset. I mean, people supported. me, right? But people were like, the articles were like, she was just on the file files and she was

saying all these things. And I was like, this is really great for them. But when I came in, I did not know that we were going to get. Because it was like right around the hall it was right around the holidays. It was right before Christmas. I remember being like, well, thanks a lot, Rachel. But I did not know at that time that I, like we were having issues for sure. I mean, right? I didn't wake up one morning. But I didn't. But I didn't. did not know that, and I forgot I did the podcast, that we were going to, the filing was going to happen, that I was going to ask for it, then the sneak filing. I did not know that was going to happen. Wait, so you filed an he sneak file? No, no, no, I didn't file. I asked. You were like, I want the D. Yeah, I asked. And then it was like, do you not want to like to say it? Oh, oh, oh, my God. It's early in the morning. Yes, the D. Okay. Sorry. No, I, I asked and then it was like, he didn't hear me say it and then he said it almost like it was like you're not breaking up with me I'm breaking up with you it felt like that but so I really thought it was like an amicable thing and

little did I know because this was New Year's Eve right so so very close to after yeah um I came here and I was just like okay like we're gonna handle this you know privately all these things and then bam the first I mean that's what my case filing is zero zero zero zero one we're the number one case filing. Wow. And he had no New Year's Eve plans. Like what should I do? You know what's crazy? He said to me, are we, I usually have people over. And so he was like, are you, are we having people over? But for me, I knew that because I had just come from Dallas. I just like buried my grandmother. Something had happened that I don't want to talk about because I want to write about it that week where I was like, yeah, I talked to my parents

and I was like, I have specific questions to ask and I'm going to ask them if I don't get the answer. I feel like we need to move forward, then I'm asking for it. And I didn't. So I was like, yeah, I think I want a divorce. But then he said it too. He must have already had an attorney, like I said, we were having issues. But when I came on this podcast, I was very serious. I had just frozen my eggs. We really were trying. You were hopeful. Yes. Well, I was hopeful that, yeah, we could get there. But I meant the things that I said. But I said something on here that I thought was very telling that people hung on to. And I think it was the first thing that I had ever said out loud. And I remember saying and I was like, yeah, I can't take that back. I said, we live

very different lives. And I had never said that before. And I was like, oh gosh, I'm being too honest. It's just like, yeah. But we did. People thought I thought we lived separately. But no, it's not that we lived separately. We just really were living different lives. We were like two ships passing in the night. And then he tried to steal all your money. Well, I mean, legally, he's allowed to. Legally. Have some self-respect. That's what I thought. I don't That's just my opinion. I don't. No, I mean, I'm, I really hoped it would be friendly and it wouldn't get down to it because we both allegedly wanted it.

I think there were things I underestimated about how he felt about me, which was hard. Like, how do you share a bed with someone who feels so strongly about you in such a negative way? These were things that came out that I was learning from other people. Like, he was talking shit about you behind your rack? Yeah. Like, after it was filed. And so I was just kind of like, wow, like, I didn't. know that. And I'm not going to act like I was perfect by any means. It takes two people to get to that

point. I thought, I knew I had the upper hand because I knew I had the money. And so, and I wasn't, clearly was not aware of the legal, like the community property. I thought because we got married in Florida, that Florida laws would apply. I just truly. California that 50-50. I truly, and I didn't think he would do those things. You know, yeah. You don't think that, but I was just kind of like, I remember the day after New Year's Day, I was like, What do you want? I don't want anything from you. What do you want for me?

I was willing to give it to him. I think the hardest part from me was the spousal support. I did not mind actually giving him money. Right. It was the spousal support. Like, why do you need an allowance? Yeah.

He could do it. So he does. Maybe that's just the old school in me. Maybe this is excess of me to say. But I just, I have some self-respect as a man. You don't need an allowance. You don't have kids. No.

You don't have. That is the craziest part. You have a degree. Just split. Yeah, he has a, you have a business. A great profession. Move back to Florida. That's where, you know, wasn't he like so upset that he had to move to L.A.?

No, he wanted to be in L.A. That's like the, like, I can't have to wait until he's like fully talk about some of this stuff. He wanted to be here. There's a reason he was already licensed to practice in California. He always wanted to be in L.A. He actually moved to L.A. a month before when we were engaged to try to like make it here. Like, had an Airbnb for a month was. putting out stuff to model, to do all these things.

And then I actually did it, too. I moved out for a month, and I say with Carrie Fetman, we all know enough. Yeah, I moved out here, too, planning seeds, seeing if there was work out here. And that's how I eventually ended up working for extra. I ended up having a podcast about The Bachelor. So we both were doing that. It's not one side of like, hey, Rachel wanted to move out here, and I had to follow for a man. Do you feel like he was jealous of your success?

I was going to say, do you feel like he scapegoated you? for his failures? 100%. 100%. And I think that there were sat, what always gets lost in it is that I moved for him. We lived to Dallas

and we moved to Dallas because he quit his job a week after, in Florida, a week after the show, stopped filming. Okay. Before it had aired. And I didn't quit.

I was still practicing law. So he moved to Dallas. I was super grateful for. And I acknowledged that sacrifice. And then I stopped practicing law and I asked him, where do you want to go? And he said, Florida. And we picked up everything and we moved to Florida, but that always gets lost. I had no job in Florida. I didn't have, I wasn't working for extra, didn't have the Bachelor podcast at that point yet. I don't think so.

So I moved for him so he could build it up. And that never gets talked about. And then COVID hit and things happened and then an opportunity, better opportunity was in L.A. And I knew we both wanted to be here. But yeah, when I talk about things I didn't know how he felt about me, Jealousy was one of them. I had no, like, just imagine your partner being jealous of you. Like, it's, it was a really, it was a really tough thing. But yeah, I have so many, now that I'm moving past it and I'm starting to write about it, like, all these things are, yeah, I bet you're like discovering things that maybe you thought was normal. And then you're like, wait a second, that was a weird ass thing that happened or that he said. And I'm glad to be in a better place

of processing it because I'm not angry anymore. If I was writing and going, through it anger, that's how it would have come out. Now it's reflection. Yeah, I had to get past the anger of the money. Just last month, he asked me for, like, tried to, our judgment was done. Crazy enough, the day the fires happened in L.A. Was the day our divorce was finalized. And he's recently, I got served because he was trying to contest some of the language in the

judgment about money, and it was so obvious. what it was. It was so obvious, but he wanted it to read as it was written in the judgment and not from the percentage that he was allowed of it. He wanted the entire amount of money in that account and rehired his attorney to serve me. So then I again had to go to my attorney and then I, we explained to him this is, which is plain, like your attorney helped come up with this. Yeah. Agreed to this. And then I had to send him another letter explaining it. And the attorney was like yeah you're right does he work huh he still has a practice he's still here he's still here mm-hmm oh never seen him though I was gonna ask yeah you haven't like

has he like texted or call any like email only when it has to do with the money ask all he has to do with that I'll probably get us something after this comes out too well we'll get into it when we talk love is blind but they're interesting enough one of the main characters I what's her name I don't you know she talks She's sounds accomplished and she's at a hard time being. Sparkle Megan. Sparkle Megan. You can't give yourself a nickname.

It's brutal. Sparkle Megan is wrong. Anyway, but do you feel like there was an element of a little just like gender roles where like his jealousy came from him feeling emasculated because his wife was more successful? Do you think that added to his insecurities? A hundred percent, but I want to take blame too because I was not great about I think that I did things that emasculated him, too, if I'm really being honest. And again, this is where reflection comes in.

Like what? I do think that when he, part of the reason I chose him is because he was older. He was established. He had a career, not a job. These things were very attracted to me. He had more than me. It's another thing that people do not realize when we got married, he had more than me. He had a condo that he owned in Miami.

You know, he's older, so he had more money, you know, had saved up stuff. we were more on equal footing plus he had a condo so and of course you know we weren't just thinking of the pre-up thing you know i'll talk about all this later but it made sense i didn't have what i had now i it was this perfect storm where i made a lot of money during the marriage so that's also why like people like how does he get all of this like well my success came post i do anyways yes i think that as my career grew his didn't and it was there became the why aren't you helping me why aren't you having this. That's why I loved when you talked about it. It's like, you had all the, all the tools. You had all the tools to do it. But it just, he's was not as ambitious as I thought. And a lot when I

would go back like, well, how did you get this? How did you get this? It wasn't like I hustled for it. Not everybody has the hustle. It was kind of like, oh, I knew this person or this person helped me, which isn't a bad thing. It's just you come out here to LA and you start your business or you come off TV, you know it. It's why not everybody has. This studio. Not everybody has certain success. It's about the hustle. And he just didn't have that. But I, if I'm taking responsibility on my end, I, you know, tried to help. But then I saw myself get frustrated. I saw myself start to be a little resentful because it wasn't as I thought it was supposed to be. One of the biggest things I did was when it came to buying house, put it in my name. It was a hundred percent mine. And in California, if you buy a house you're married, the person has to sign over their rights. And so I was paying for our rent. I was paying so much money and I wasn't seeing the return on investment. So it was like, I'm in a position where I can buy a house. This is the biggest purchase that I've ever made. And I wanted it

to only be in my name. And the people that knew that, and I publicly, I would always say, this is our house. This is us. We did this. But the people who knew were like, Rachel, that is emasculating. And I was like, it's my money. Which point? Don't care. And it is, and I, and I, and I, but I would not change what I did. I mean, why I can see why it might be a, an indication of like, maybe like the deeper sentiment of the health of the relationship. I don't necessarily see it as emasculating. I mean, if it was the other way around, you know, if, if a man, a married couple and the man said, hey, I want to put it in my name, what's the, you know, like, again, she would certainly feel a certain way about it. Like, so we, I guess we don't have a.

I'm living in your house. But like, I don't, it's like. I think it did make him, though. I'm sure it did make him feel that way, but is that a him problem or is that like? And like, is he contributing to the house? No, no, no, not a dime. Not a penny. Not anything.

I paid all the bills. And that's a crazy thing about divorce, at least in a community property state. You are not rewarded for being a supportive partner. For me, it was you're building a business. I'm in a position where I can take care of the personal side of things. So why would I not do that in a marriage? And I never was like, I'm paying the bills. You're living in my house.

That came after the divorce. That came when we were at like, maybe it's just me. But like again, like knowing how this world works, like I feel like he emasculated himself in the sense that like if you are not going to, don't have the hustle, whatever, but like he was in a service industry, right? And so, you know, not every, you know, if you're an accountant and you go on the

bachelor and you like, go back to be an accountant, I don't know how much going on the bachelor is going to help you up, you know, like if you have your own business, maybe, if you are an engineer, but if you're like a realtor, a lawyer, a chiropractor, if, you know, if you have your own business and you're in the service industry, going on one of these shows is such a advantage, such a layup, such a home run. I mean, all you have to do is be like, hi, aren't you the, you know, yeah, you can crack my back, you know, like it's just people. want, you know, it's such a leg up on the competition.

It is. And you gave him that. One of the most likable success for Bachelorettes in the history of the franchise, he was married to her, and he couldn't make it work. And I feel like that's on him. And if like, you know. I think, not I think. I always say that.

It's like, I know. Both of us were disenchanted with our careers. I loved being a lawyer. He loved being a chiropractor, but we kind of hit a place where we were plateauing where it was like, let's see if we can do something more. For me, at first, I thought that I would do entertainment law and change the area of law that I was working in. But then I really loved communication and talking to people

and being on the mic and having these conversations. And so I was pivoting into that. And both of us were like, if none of it works, we'll go back to what it is that we did. So that's where, you know, it worked for me. It didn't work for him. Because I had a plan. I was like, I don't want to be on more reality TV shows

unless it's going to position me to do more of what I wanted to do. It's going to help me if it makes sense. For him, it was more of like the low-hanging fruit of when is a deal going to come? What's an event we can go to? I was very anti-creating a social media presence where it was built off our relationship. So I meant that when I came on the show. I was like, I didn't like posting. I didn't like putting our personal business out there per se. Sometimes it worked. Most of the times I didn't want to do that. He did. And so we just had a different vision. He wanted to use what we had to grow. I didn't.

I had different plans. And so him having to go back and be a chiropractor, I think there was some maybe resentment to the word. Because for me, I was able to continue to leave law and I still have been able to. Well, I'm excited for your book. Seriously. You have no idea.

You know some of the stuff. And I'm pre-ordering. Pre-order the pre-order. You did the pre-ordering. And it's not, like, when I did my first book, it wasn't T, right? I wasn't like, I'm shitting on The Bachelor, I'm talking about being on your, it was more of like a reflection of me and people getting

to know me as not this picture perfect bachelorette, this is going to be tea. And it's going to be helping people get through divorce and not, it not be shameful. Like I want to talk about dating again. I want to talk about, you know, I've never used apps. I want to talk about being intimate for the first time when you, because these are real conversations that women come to me about that I could not find a book. or a conversation that dealt with this kind of stuff. So it'll be telling, I want the book to read,

another book of essay is to read like an Adele song. You know how like Adele comes in and she's like telling the story and then like midway through she's getting that bridge and she's rising above it. And then at the end she's like, fuck you, still on a rise. I'm this person. Like I, that's how I wanted to read. So I wanted to be encouraging and hopeful in those ways,

but through me telling the journey of what happened for the first time. Like, I've never talked about fertility. He spoke on it. And I'm like, thank you. You sat down with some quack about, like, the divorce. Teasing parts one through three. I don't know whatever happened to the rest of it. But I don't want to do that.

I want to tell my story, but to help people through it. I want to be vulnerable in ways that people have not seen for me because, you know, everyone was like, oh, you know, they were lying about their relationship. No, we weren't. But, you know, there are things I could have been more honest. Without getting too much into it and we'll move on after this. But obviously divorced, to your point, I imagine you'll write a lot about it, is a very traumatic event if you have to go through it. I think for both men and women.

But like, as you've gone out and dated, does it feel like a scarlet letter a little bit? Do you feel like you have to say, oh, when do I tell them I've been divorced? And have you felt a certain reaction from people? You know what the scarlet letter is? It's not the divorce. It's being on the show. It's scary to, because before I was dating, I had not done anything that was front of camera, that was public.

So when I went on a couple of dates at first, it was like, well, how do I say? It's going to be like, oh, you were divorced. Well, then what happened? How did you meet your ex-husband? And then it's like, oh, I have to talk about the bachelor. And it's like, and you can see for people who that don't know, it's like, wait, what? Oh, wait, I heard about the first black bachelor.

That was you. And it's like, oh, I don't feel like going. So you see this interest that comes. And it's like, are you interested in me or are you just curious about this story? That's been something that's hard. And most of the dates that I've been on have been people that have their own platforms. So do you feel like when they ask that question, it's more coming from judgment or? Do you feel like, because I relate to that before, you know, it's just like, when I finished

my season, I was like, I just made a personal pact. I had dated, you know, in between, I, you know, it's a very much a fraternity. There's a comfort level with people in that experience. I had dated some people from that franchise. And once Vanessa and I broke up, I was just like, I'm not dating anyone from that franchise ever again. And I just felt like I just, I wanted to be above, not above it, but I just wanted to move on from the show. And so a lot of the people I was interested in dating, there was an insecurity for me that I was kind of projecting out because there was a part of me that was a little bit of like, I'm not ashamed of it, but like I don't put it on my bio, you know? Like I don't. For sure. Bachelor, season 12. And so, and so I, you know,

it was like a very much of me problem, you know, like Natalie has told the story when we first met you know we're the first weekend we're out in new york and we're walking through new york and you know my my show at that point was successful not what it was today but i always acted as if it was the biggest show in the world as you should and and people would like honk and do like how do like how do they know you i was like i have a podcast because i was like i wasn't going to be like i was on the bachelor it's the last thing you say it's the last thing yeah and they're like well even if people come up to nick and they're like is your name nick vial he's like um yeah why how do you know it it's so true it's so true i it either comes out in the divorce for me or it's like

oh you were a lawyer how did you get to podcasting and it's like oh there was a i was in a city when there was a tour bus like a entertainment tour bus and the tour driver was like excuse me what's your name and without hesitation i was like eric um he was like never mind yeah like never mind that it's kept walking. I'll try that. You can't hesitate. You really have to. I'll try that.

But yeah, no, it's, um, I, yeah, it's just been interesting, but, you know. Well, on the topic of divorce, how are you feeling about Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban's divorce? Can I be honest what my first thought was? Yes. Please. Mary's got a thought. I have a thought. I feel like I watch.

I consume a lot of Nicole Kidman content, uh, content. and I feel like she's having this resurgence and all the resurgence is sex and it's sex and it's like young man sex or it's like hot, steamy orgasm sex and it's like in there you know what I mean like she's about to be fucking some 25 year olds and I've like I always wonder

I mean she's an actor she always has been but I just wonder kind of what you're alluding to I don't I like country music I'm into it more these days maybe And I don't follow Keith Urban's career, but I just wonder with the rise of what she's doing because there wasn't, you know, she was having kids, she'd slowed down and the rise of what she's doing. And not only she's doing it, she's like hot, sex, sexual, sensual, all of this. I just wonder if that was a huge struggle for him. And that was the first thought I had. I was like, hmm. Yeah. It's not every, not every man can. And a lot of people have, like, Dating a I'm telling myself. Dating a musician.

So there you go. Dating an artist is hard. Like there's a lot of ups and downs with careers. And it's, yeah, it can be very difficult. And so I just wonder for him, it takes a really strong person to see a woman do that. And then your career is a roller coaster at the same time. They always say dating in the music industry is one of the hardest in the entertainment industry.

So you're currently dating a musician? Yeah, you guys saw him. Remember when I was walking my dog and we were driving? That was him. I try not to be nosy, you know. You guys were totally fine. You guys were totally fine. Her brother.

She was like, oh, this is so-and-so. And you guys were like, hey, yeah. I mean, it's not like a huge secret, but we haven't posted them, obviously. Because we don't share our relationship. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I haven't. Well, actually, that's not true. He is on my social.

like, hey, this is... Hard-launch. Here's my boyfriend. Are we, like, official, official? Are we, like, just a situationhip? No, it's not a situation ship. Like, we're really dating. Okay. But, you know, I'm having fun is how I look at it. Like, I'm not dating anybody else. Mary, what was your take on the Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban? Oh, it's just, it's always really sad when queer relationships on. Queer relationship.

Wait a minute. Did you say queer? Yeah. Who are we referring to? Keith Urban, number one lesbian in the United States. our world. Because of the hair? Because of the hair. And just like, if you listen to a Keith Urban song,

the way he's writing, I'm like, mm, okay. That's hilarious, by the way. 19 years? 19 years? 19 years. Yeah. It's always sad.

It's a good run. It's a good run. It's always sad to see it. But I just, they have kids together? They have kids, yeah. I was like, I'm still healing from Amy Poehler and Will Arnett, and that was like two decades ago. I know.

That was devastating. Yeah. They seem to be doing five. I know there. I was like, that was like my dream. Like, you know how you have a couple that you want to go to a dinner party with? Like, that was my dream.

And I was like, wow, shattered. Is irreconcilable differences kind of just like a, I think it's a general? That's what ours was. Really? Yeah. But that's like a catch-all. Yeah, like you're just not getting along.

Of course, it's in a record. I can't say the word. But otherwise, you wouldn't get divorced. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, sometimes it's, you know, I don't know what the correct term is. It was like if there's cheating or whatever. And fidelity?

And fidelity. Because I was like I can't think in adultery I was like that's biblical. I watched that can't be it

I watched legally blonde once. Wasn't that the same thing? It is but yeah but it's sounds so dirtier that you can file for those things

but yeah like irreconcilable differences just like I also feel like all the other boxes on like a divorce paper actually

really scary like so I feel like that's like the go to one and you can always change it you can always amend it change it

like if you find out they did some shit yeah I think like you absolutely can amend it's just easier to like check all the boxes like spousal support you know if they're children childs it's just easier to do it all and then you can fix it all later should we talk some salt

like city or dancing with the stars let's start with dancing let's start with dancing Whitney carson's choreography I love her so much is just the the backwards flip around Robert Irwin's neck I was like I'm into it she's so little though can we talk about shake your ass the song? Yeah. Watch yourself. I thought I was like listening to it in my car, don't judge me.

And so I was like, is that my radio? Or is that the song she's actually I didn't know you could say ass on dancing with the stars? It's just like such a and maybe because it was YouTube so I didn't watch it live so I don't know but I was completely thrown off

and I thought is that going to work against her? Isn't this a conservative audience? Is she in trouble? Unless you're a man taking it. I think they've done a good job of getting the younger audience. I think it used to skew really... Like, I'm sorry, just watch the backwards. If you were watching Dance for the Stars, you're done.

But now I think the kiddos, the TikTok, TikTok is really skewed it younger. It's hipper. It looks a lot more fun. They're doing a good job. Like, they've realized that people are consuming it on TikTok online through YouTube. And it's given it to, like, a fun resurgence. And I think they've made the dances. a lot more fun

because it's like other than Dylan's dance because he had to do the fox trot which is so hard. So hard. Like because you're just, it's always, it's all about framing.

Framing and like you can't. It's hard to everyone else like that's having fun. They're goofing around. They have the facial expressions. Like the fox trot's so serious. I always danced scared when I was on it.

Yeah, because you're counting the whole time. You're like, oh shit. Also, I think it's just a miss opportunity When Dylan doesn't take a shirt off I feel like they've got to be saving it For something special

You know, they're like He can't take a shirt off every single dance Did you see, did you see He posted a reel with his dance partner I was a little turned on I texted him and told him about it Every once in a while Natalie will send me a

Wait, which one? Was it the one where he like twirled? The hips Oh, it was hot Guys, he looked terrible the fox shot's hard no no no the hips thing yeah you saw that

I wasn't like the real video yeah he was like a second behind he's not a dancer which can we have that I wasn't looking at his time but I mean I loved watching him and the effort and put I couldn't do it but I was also like he's not killing

he's just Dylan Efron who comes across is so likable and so nice truly a golden retriever he can't have any enemies like I just Just don't get it. He's just such a nice guy. But you're right.

He's not a dancer. And I feel like with dancing with the stars, there's always this battle of people who want the Dylan Ephron's or people who want the Hillary Baldwin's. And I'm saying it like that. Hillary. Hillary, thank you. Because Hillary's almost too good.

Yes. And so I want to see a Dylan. I want to see somebody grow. I want to be surprised. I want to see them struggle some weeks. Like Robert, Robert, is doing. like unexpectedly really good where you're like he's not too good

where like Whitney crushing it but she's like she's been to in class you know yeah I mean I think the fact that Jen had a baby a month ago is she just deserves to have the mirror ball because of that incredible like that's the kind of story I want to see when I watch dancing with the stars

Jen's so fun she's so fun she did the Mama Cita thing I feel like that's gonna happen with Dylan too those because it's like he's really trying So it's like you almost appreciate the effort going forward. But I'm like if he does end up cleaning it up and becoming like a little bit more direct with his moves, I'm like he could win. Right. But it's like it's because it is somebody you want to root for, but also because he's not the best dancer starting off. Correct. Correct. I want to see growth.

Yeah. I almost feel like with like a Hillary, it's going to work against her. Because I don't know if you saw the TikTok where I'm deep in the TikTok these days. I don't know if you saw the TikTok where they were saying that she competed in ballroom. against some of the pros back in the day. That definitely works against her. Like when I was on it, Heather from Glee was on it and she's like literally a professional dancer and the week she was eliminated, she got all tens.

But it was just like, yeah, no, you can. We want a story. You're a professional dancer. Yeah. You know? I feel like with Hilaria Baldwin, the only surprise is like what accent she's going to pull out, not what dance she's going to do. You know what I mean?

Alan. Is it Alan? Alec. Baldwin? No, no. The Richter? Yes, Alan Richter. Andy Richter.

Put some just... Who did you not before this? I do not know that man. I do, indeed. Sorry about my name. Sorry to that man. Sorry to that man. But he, I mean, like, his was so sweet.

Him grabbing the cat was so sweet that, like, voting for him immediately. That's who, yeah, that's who I, like, even Alex Earle, I was like, she's doing it. She's doing great. And then I thought, but she has Val. If I ever did Dancing with the Stars, that's who I want. I want Val. I want him. Because everyone's like he's tough.

He's on it. And if I was a guy, I would want Daniela. Ooh. Yeah. I think Daniela and Whitney are two of like the best choreographers. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Whitney's really good.

But yeah, out of, yeah. Why am I blank? Jordan. Jordan Childs, I think, is my number one. I think she's so good. And I was like, I understand that she's a professional gymnast. She has that going against her too. But she has that going against her.

But I was like, the whole thing with gymnast is that everything is supposed to be like stiff and like sticking. And so like that's where I'm like for her to be able to like move her body and use fluidity. Like that is a new skill for her. So I'm like it is really impressive and she's so fucking good every episode. But they do. I mean for like floor routine. You know like there's a lot of dancing. It's like flips and like what not. And it's like it's stiff. Yeah. It's very like here's the arms up. And then now I'm running and I'm flipping. But like she's she's moving. I think yeah. I mean they said it was her best one this week. And I think that she was really feeling it. I like this. She got super. I like, I like to see people cry. Me too. I'm an emotional person. So I just, because I, I've danced. Wait, I'm not a dancer.

Let me just, like to explain it. But I've done a performance and there is something emotional about it that when you finish, you just feel like if you put it all out there, the tears come out too. So when I saw her at the end of this, I'm like, I get it. I get it. You're like, I did that. I accomplished something. And what was she saying? She said something like about how the anxiety and the pressure of like what she goes through.

an athlete like for her to be able to leave it on the floor meant so much to her and I'm just like all right get it there was a lot of the floor spinning of the women which I feel like if that's in your routine and you you like go last and you watch everyone above you do it like I remember last season it's like wearing a red dress who was it that did the back oh oh it was like Joey and Danny both did a backflip yeah yeah and I remember like one I don't know who went first but one of them was like we also have a back flip like you know that was our big move is it fair that Alex Earl got to do a TikTok dance in her

routine. Right. I mean they credited the choreographer in it at the end of it. Oh, you better these days. But they were like, yeah, with moves by Molly, whatever. But the whole, like the first few seconds, it was a TikTok

dance. Well, I do think it's because, again, Dylan had the fox shot compared to some of these other dances where they got to, you know, shimmy and bop like they're at a wedding and Dylan's like, one, two, It's so much different and harder and the fox trot's more like It's harder to get behind

Do they pick their dance style or do? No, the producers do. Like unlike, you know, like the Bachelor or some of these other competition shows where producers can really fuck with your emotions Like dancing with the stars is mostly just a fun experience You do have some producers who have come from other shows And there's not much like emotional fuckery

that producers can do The little bit that they can do is like give you various dancers that maybe you're not in love with or that are more difficult and that's where they there's not much drama on Dancing with the Stars but if there's any it's stuff like that right would that be interesting if they did because what I've always when I used to do interviews of Dancing with the Stars I was like gosh you guys it's a competition but y'all love each other y'all are all such good friends

should there be where they're not sometimes I've never seen it I would love a little like dance drama like you know and like most of them are a song or they saw my and like most of the pros are married to each other or dating each other so it's like y'all probably don't even really have that much competition we against each other what if they put like abby lee miller in there as one of the judges and just saw what would happen well my intro package on week one i was i was fucking around and joking but i was like talking shit i had um normani on and i was like calling them fourth harmony and shit and you know it was like a joke i think that's funny no I feel like I would do that.

I'd be like, yeah, I walk past so-and-so's room this week. They sucked. Yeah. But they sent me home next week. That would be great. I mean, that would... Give us some spice. That would really help for ratings.

Do like a full, like, WW-type of just, like, fake drama for dancing with the stars. I think I would eat it up. Just a little bit. Just the beginning. My dream is for my wife to do it someday. Aw. I know. He's so sweet.

He's got big dreams for me. You would want to do it? Do you want to? I would do it. Yeah. I would do it. Yeah. I don't, you know, don't know what the audience would. They'd be like, I don't know who the fuck she is. Yeah, but you're about to be the host of the new hottest dating show on Netflix. That's true. Yeah. Age of Attraction, 26. It's a banger. Well, speaking of spicy things, we have Salt Lake City episode four. Five. I could watch Todd and Browen eat lunch for two hours. I'm always trying to feel. figure out who hates each other more or if they're if if he's just like mailing it in for because

he loves his wife and doing a scene it's so and as a couple that has a bit of an age gap i'm and i don't mean this for with any disrespect because we love brawin and i have not met todd yet but like i am so grateful we don't present as them yeah guys yeah you wouldn't be able to do this show you would not be able to work together brawin looks so so good and so fresh. And him and that half-zip polo sweater was not cute. And that whole, like the sweater doesn't help. I need him wearing... I'm sorry,

I love Todd. I do too. I'm not trying to talk shit, but maybe put him like it in All Saints. No, it's genuine. I love that there is such a start contract between the two of them. I love, first off, they're always, we're always watching them sit down to eat. Yeah. I love, because I feel like that's the only thing Todd agrees to do. That's the only thing Todd is like, this is the only thing I'm going to on camera doing it. I have to eat anyway. I might as well have the camera.

He's putting sugar in an iced tea. It just. I love it. The eye rolls. He's awesome. He's such a cremogen. I just adore it. But if you put Todd in all saints, then you just get P-K

and we don't need that. So true. I want to see that man's new balances. And I want him in like, I want him to shop at Costco. Why is he has a hard time? I was surprised that he was so self-conscious about Rowan acknowledging that he's stepped up and helped support her parents, like as if he didn't want her to say it?

Well, if you have no idea what we're talking about and you missed the most recent episode of the Verho Hospital of Salt Lake City, here is your rapid recap. We've got taglines and Meredith is dropping beats baby. Lisa reminds us she knows famous people. She also reminds us that people that know famous people always get sued and it's like not a big deal. Todd is trying to be nicer after getting clowned at the reunion, but also Bronwyn's mom moved in.

So she's also trying to learn that it's okay when people. people don't like you. Sounds like she should call in to ask Nick, low key. Angie wants Elektra to make being Greek her whole personality, but Elektra doesn't seem to care. Might I suggest having her read some more Percy Jackson. Frommwood's mom says she needs Todd's money and also reminds her that he's going to die one day. Love the moms. Heather is not clinically depressed. She is effective. Same girl, Leanne. Mary writes these and they're crazy. Traction. Lisa only brings the gal's ski shooting so no one shoots her in the back. Fair enough, Diva. Also, Amy is there. Who is this girlie Amy? I want to know more. Lisa makes a presentation to prove she's innocent. However, the only thing it proves is that she needs to get a Canva Pro account and maybe take a course. All the lawsuits are dismissed because it's none of our fucking business, apparently. Lisa and Bronwyn got into another argument, but the most important thing to note at this lunch is that Mary's sunglasses and Little Hat are eating down.

And that Lisa thinks Angie is trying to be Jun Shaw. Meredith says she defended Lisa while camping, which, sure. And Whitney goes absolutely nuclear on Lisa for lying about her lawsuit, throws a napkin at her, and storms off. But it is weird that Todd is, like, frustrated that he has to help his wife's sick in-laws. Or his in-laws. Yeah. Like, why are you upset about that?

I take great pride in that ability. I've just felt like we were missing something. And I'm going to add to that because Bronwyn's side flip kept changing. So if, and the only reason I know this is because I was watching it with someone. And I was like, do you like Bronwyn's Bob? Because I'll go back and forth with a Bob. And they were like, yeah, well, I don't like it that way, the side part. And I was like, no, it looks really good.

And then we were like, wait, it looks better from one side to the other side. That's the only reason I noticed that because I love Bronwyn's haircut. So I feel like there was, there was stuff that was cut out. So I didn't understand why. I don't know if she had to keep repeating it over and over again. And maybe that's why we were getting the eye roll. something wasn't there because I don't think Todd has an issue with helping her out with her family because we've seen what he's done with her daughter and he's very protective over her and he's like

I'm not talking about that on camera we're not talking about him so I'm just a Todd apologist I'm just I adore this man I also like it when he was like you know when Broadway's just like acknowledging that she cares what what people think and she wants Lisa's you know validation and he's just like why the fuck yeah no I did like I love at him being like, she said horrible things about you. You should never be friends of their period. Write this person off. My favorite was when he was like, a lot of people hate you.

What are you talking about? And I was like, well, you know, I wouldn't say it like that. The Facebook comments. I got to know his sign. The Facebook comments is pretty. You know what I think she wants to be around Lisa? It's how I feel about Tamara. Tamara says, from Real House by as well, see.

Just for people who don't. For the audience. Tamara says horrible things about people, but everybody wants to be around Tamara because she's fun. And I think the same thing about Lisa There's a charm, they're fun And it's like even if I don't trust you

Or I have my boundaries I still want to hang out with you Because it's just cool to be around you And I think that's what you get from Lisa Why people want I mean Lisa would probably say it's because She's above them And she lives in different lives

She knows famous people None of these women know how she lives Because it's so different None of them could ever imagine being When you run a big business When none of them could ever imagine being close in distance to Ben Affleck. It's not like they're all famous on TV. But she's such the cliche of if you have to constantly brag about your success and you

constantly have to boast about how big and bad your life is, like it's just, it's just not. Like the real successful people are being like, they're not talking about houses they have. You know, they're like, they're, they're low key. They don't want people to know and the other people, you know. It's like I get sued because I have so much money. It's like, yeah, I guess. Lisa just kind of gives me like Regina George of Salt Lake City, but like self-proclaimed, like in a sense to where she's like, I'm better than you. But I'm like, I'm watching all these women who clearly don't like her pretending to want to be her friend.

Yes. And also it's crazy how at that lunch or whatever she has all these posters dismissed, dismiss, dismiss, dismissed. And then they're all like, but can we ask you? She's like, yeah, ask me anything. And then they're like, well, why did you? It's none of your fucking business. She said, I gave you all the facts right here And I was like the way that she also photoshopped her face onto them

I brought you so you can read these And they're like, we have We really need to put a stop to like the housewives With the boards Yes Like there's so many of them I love this moment Because it's everyone says Salt Lake City is campy

And they're just always extreme And it just works for them It does We had Lisa on my podcast yesterday Marley Crap And I think the funniest thing We had to cut some of it out But per Bravo

But the funniest thing to me was She didn't know I was an attorney So she's talking to me Explaining the law to me And she's literally like Well you know When this and this this happens And this person has had this legal trouble

And she was like And it's allegations they speak as fact It's not facts And she's saying something And she says something wrong And I'm like Okay, so you know criminal doesn't settle, right? And I'm like, I was like, they don't, you don't settle a criminal case.

That's a civil thing. And she's like, yeah, well, and I was like, well, I have a legal background. She's like, oh, my God, then you totally get it. And it was so funny. And like this, I'm not trying to shade her. It was she just didn't know I was an attorney, but it was so funny the way she handled it. You know, she like didn't miss a beat. No, she's very quick.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she also told me she does a name drop And I hadn't seen the episode yet And so I'm watching this episode I'm like, what? I mean, episode one was Ben and Blake And it was just like, huh? And it was first names only.

Yeah, Ben and Blake. I'm on a first name basis. She went to South by Southwest. She went to South by Southwest and I don't know what kind of event So it was like, it's not like they invited her. That's how she presents it. She was doing something with a business.

Like an activation. Yeah. Yeah, because it was for the Steve Correll, it was like that billionaire movie on Netflix or mount something kind of weird movie. Yeah, Steve's not walking in. Do you think he knew?

He didn't get name dropping. How are you? My girl. Speaking of name dropping about Steve Carell, we saw him at Gelson's. Well. Like six months ago.

Yes, we did. Were you here with Nina Parker because she saw him at Gelson's too? Really? He likes to shop at Geltons. It's the same. Yeah, we all live in the same neighborhood. She saw him at Gelsons too.

And I don't, maybe this was like six months ago or something like that? Yeah, it was like six months ago. It was the same day. Did you see Nina Parker too? It was closer to the fires time. I remember I was like, it was.

It was. Yeah, and I like almost hit him with my cart. And I was like, it's like coming around a thing. And I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. And he just wears his hat. And he's like, oh, it's okay. You know, and he's going. Like, I'm like, I can't, he wants to be normal so bad.

Like he's shopping. He's shopping. And then this is the last place. Absolutely. I'm like, Steve who? In the valley. You can do that in the valley. Yeah.

Not if you're Lisa Barlow, though. You will be. referencing that as if Steve Curl is your best friend because you saw him with the shopping cart at we actually planned it at the same time to show up. Yeah. Be like, oh, me and Steve, we grocery shop together. I'm better than you. It's like crazy that Lisa's getting so upset over being compared to Jin Shaw when she like tweeted that Bronwyn was like Jen Shaw. This episode she called Angie that she's trying to be Jin Shaw. It's like, I guess everyone just once at this point, she's like, well, you have the her same hair girl and her brow girl. That means you want to be her. I'm like,

feel like it's just a small down. That's was Angie being like, I am the hair girl. Not hair, but brow. One could say, to quote Angie, saying Mary Cosby is a grandfather MFer as Jen Shaw did, and Lisa's saying that Bronwyn is a gout dick sucker is similar. It is similar. We do find out that you can get gout in your dick. I have to do a shout out.

to the editors this episode when Lisa's talking about her lawyers and she's like, I have six of them. When I saw Viola Davis at first I was like, that's Johnny Depp's lawyer. Oh, wait, that's the dude from suits. And I was like, oh my God, genius. That was good thing.

And then they're like, legal team, but it's all like characters from like TV shows. It was like a disclaimer. It was great. These are not, in fact, her attorneys. I mean, if she has as many businesses as she says, which why would I out she is right you do get you are you are opening yourself up for more lawsuits that's fine but

what i couldn't get over she kept saying dismiss dismiss dismiss and somebody finally said yeah but there's still one the one we're talking about is not dismissed and that's what she kept saying to me allegations they're allegations they're not fact and then i go i said to her i can't remember this is in the podcast or not and i said um yeah but like she's like you can file a lawsuit for anything she says that on this episode. And I'm like, but it's still going on. You also can get it dismissed for being frivolous, yet it's still going on. And she was like, yeah, but Alex, I'm like, okay, doesn't mean it's fact.

I'm like, that's true. Can a lawsuit get dismissed if you settle it out of court as well? If you settle it? If it settled like out of court, wouldn't be qualified as dismissed? Yeah, yeah. So it's not. that's what those ladies were saying just like just because it's dismissed

means you you finally paid them back right yeah she didn't answer that no she was like Rodden was smooth with that one she was like so dismissed as in you paid back the money you owed no no no but also she's like but there's one that's still not and she's like well yeah but

it's and they're like but you wrote dismissed on it like you were just like stamping dismissed but I loved it I appreciated it the whole the whole circumstance of it all this is what I want out of my house 100%. I'm never bored with Salt Lake City. No, God, no.

And then Whitney, Redhead Whitney, era is my favorite thing in the world. I love it. I love it. She's choosing violence for everything this season. She's got to, she's hanging on. She's like barely hanging on. She's got to, like, she doesn't really,

I mean, I know she's opening up about her business, but she has no choice. Like, we need more from Whitney. Otherwise, she's going to be replaced with Amy, which I said a couple of weeks ago, I'm like, this Amy's being interesting. for a reason. You know, them saying, oh, we don't really have many socialites, which I think Lisa would argue differently that she's won, but this Amy's one. And then we see her again on this

episode. Were you confused by that party that was like the best party in Salt Lake City? And it was like at the community hall center. It literally looked like a convention. Like it always. I was like, this is the best. Such a salt lake. The lights were so bright in there. I'm like, this is where the best party in Salt Lake City is. I almost feel like a testament to having a good party in Salt Lake City is, did the women show up and did they have a fight in it? If not, your party sucks. It was Brittany light, which was a bummer, because I always miss.

God, yeah, there was not a lot of Britney. Brittany. We needed it. Sometimes on four, I was fine not having her this episode. I was fine, because I wanted us to stay on track. I feel like when we get I really, I really appreciate Brittany and what she brings. Like, I want her on the show. But we didn't need her in this moment. Like, even when she

chimed in a little bit with Meredith. I'm like, all right, Brittany. No, yeah, yeah. Not right now. We're having a real fight here. I'll leave you. I have an announcement. Yeah.

Brittany, man. She's such a theater kid and I love it. Whitney storming out and Mary being like Whitney sit down and Whitney being like, I can't. She triggered me. I'm like, this is incredible. Whitney got in her face. She threw that napkin. When she walked over?

I thought she was going to throw the napkin and walk out. She came around. Yeah. And I would like, listen to me, Lisa. And I was like, yeah. Let's go. Yeah. Like their arms are quailing.

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fire insurance company and produced by PTZ Insurance Agency Limited. The ASPCA is not an insurer and is not engaged in the business of insurance. I am ashamed of Edmund saying he eats his boogers. But I do love Edmund. Honestly. I love him. He knew he was so, he knew he was going to be so charming. Edmund is the really goofy guy.

The one who cried. He was crying about his teacher. He was in foster care. Can we get the cast photos up? I'm obsessed with that man. She kept saying my love, so I was like, what is his name? His leg cross on the couch? Like, he always had a new position that was like...

He was getting so excited. It was so cute. I don't know how can you end one be so charming. I'm not even going to lie. I've taken a couple of seasons off of love as well. Because I don't like the beginning episodes as much. I want to see... I love when they meet each other.

I will never get over the falling in love twice. The awkward proposal? You fall in love in one way, and then you have to... It's just so genius to me. Yeah. But watching him is the reason that I'm like, I might have to fully watch this season. We hear this season's good. I'm obsessed with him.

Minnesota was kind of, do you feel like Calabria is going to be, like, do you think she realizes how nerdy he is? How could she not? He rollerblades across the UK. She's like, I want to do that with you. I'm active. But he also plays football. He also plays football. That's what's going to throw her off.

Yeah, cornerback, though. But she said corner, which corners are, you can be. You can be five nine. She asked the right question. She should have said, what division? What were you scholarship? These are questions I would have asked as a sports fan. D3, honestly, you could go.

But I'm with her. I wouldn't even know her to ask you. Like, what position? Sounds great. Yeah. She better. She was the one who's had that quote that I, she was like, you know how they say? And I was like, no, I don't know how they say.

I've never heard that. She said, you have to fall in out of love with your type to fall. Oh, yeah. I was like, who says that? But anyways, then if that's the case, then she better be all in with this guy. I love a teacher. No, no, he's like, he's cute.

He's got like that nerdy, like, appeal that I do really think he's cute. I like his style. I like, I love a male teacher. I love a male teacher. So sweet. Do we know why his fifth grade teacher saved him? He's like never. Yeah, he kind of moved on from that.

The tears. Because you know a producer was like, all right, he's been crying. for 30 minutes. Move on. Like, through the speaker into the room, like, move on. Anton and Allie,

they got engaged, episode one. Yeah, I'm hoping is he the definition of ugly hot? I don't know. Just different things work for different. Because it works for him.

It does work for him. But he's not your, you know, he's not like pretty. Traditionally, yeah. But it does. It's like the, I think the dark hair,

the dark beard, the thick eyebrows, it works. What a miss for him and left in a cliffhanger. Natalie pointed out, but at the reveal, he had his glasses on top of his head. And then when the doors open, he went immediately to squint mode. I'm like, can you not see her? The glasses work for you, bro.

They're part of your uniform. I don't care if they're sunglasses or reading glasses. They should never be on top of a man's head. Like, ever. Yeah. They don't belong there. I did not belong there. I'm 100% got to go back and look at that.

I'm actually, it's crazy. But did I miss something? Did he not right before they expressed I love you say he wasn't sure? Yeah. Okay. I was like, yeah. I know I'm watching this quickly, but. Okay.

We were, Nick and I were both like, whoa, love you. Holy shit. He also really, he hesitated before you said I love you. He did. They do that sometimes, though, in like the edit with Love is Bwine. I don't love it where they'll always have an engaged couple episodes. like they it's pretty typical to leave episode one on this cliffhanger reveal and they don't go in sequential order right they clearly like they gave they gave like an attempt at what was like a montage but kind of really gave you one clip to basically imply they've had a few dates this isn't like a second date because if you weren't paying attention it felt like literally a second date where they got engaged yeah i wanted to see more of it but i i didn't even his silhouette That looks crazy. Great eye, Natalie.

Wait. On top of his head. Watch as soon as the doors open. What are you doing? The glasses do work for him. So it's like... They really frame the nose and everything. You know, it's like one person that was like, oh my God, you look so much better.

You're so right. Wear your glasses. That is hilarious. I love that. Okay, I have to watch. I have to watch more. I do love Allie, though. I think she's so sweet.

Yeah. that's her right that's her real name elisa or something she goes by alley but she goes by alley but she was saying that her real name and he's like something pinini she's she's she alina alini alini she's she's Brazilian was that was that did I make that up guys no no no I'm not even watching a different show I could have sworn somebody has like five cat tattoos no no no that is her oh okay okay yeah that is her yeah Sparkle Megan I Like, if I ever, the first time I meet Nick, I'm like, hey, so my dad calls me

Natsky. Don't give me a nickname. Okay. Like, let your friends call you that. I do say big rage sometimes, but I wouldn't lead with that. I wouldn't lead. You have to ask me, do you have a nickname? Totally.

I'm not going to be like, my friends call me. But who's still saying my friends call me this? Who says that? We're spending enough time with their friends that you're still getting like the nickname on a regular basis. You didn't know me at 12. You do not have a nickname for me. Do you remember the love is blind with the guy who was so afraid of people dating him for his money?

But then with lead with money talks? Yes, Leo. Yes, Leo. The art dealer? Yeah. Okay. That's her. It's Rolex.

Totally. You know what I mean? I'm not going to disclose what kind of car I drive right now. What kind of car is it? It is annoying that he keeps asking me. I wanted to ask you as a very successful accomplished woman who, you know, has gone through a divorce. We read it in the paper. You drive a Porsche?

Sure. The emblem is not successful And we have a lot of Accomplished women who listen to the show On Ask Nick We talk about relationships And it seems to be like A theme or a trope

Whatever you want to call it And I see both sides Because I'm sure There are a lot of Of insecure men I do who naturally I will Like who feel emasculated By dating a woman with success

That's a real thing That I don't doubt that women can and do feel often in relationships if they're accomplished. And especially if you, and I've always said, like, you know, even for me, like when I moved out to L.A., I'm like living in my buddy's place. You know, I left my job.

Like, I didn't realize this in the moment, but like dating for me was like I was never going to settle down in that period of time where I was like, I don't know what I'm doing in a year. Because I think as a guy, if you don't like know, you know, if your future hasn't figured out career-wise, it's very hard for you to commit to anything because you don't feel successful. Yeah, yeah.

So I think that's a real thing. But if you are a woman out there dating and you are successful, just the way she presents it where it's almost like, is it that, is it just that, or is that like an excuse that you internalize where it's just like, well, maybe you're just dating, maybe it's just different men, you know, or it's just like, if you are that successful at a certain age, At a certain point in your life, you must recognize you need to stop dating a certain type of guy who will feel that way around you. But how do you feel about that? Because I feel like sometimes it's used as an excuse.

Like sometimes we won't acknowledge the role we play in our bad decisions as dateers. And eventually we have to like start making different decisions. And the way she said it, it just kind of came across as like an eye role for me. But maybe I'm being a little too critical. No, I mean, also it seems like she leads with it. And so if that's what you're leading with, if what we're getting is how you actually are in the dating world, it's a little off-putting. And it can already, I think, make maybe a man who's insecure, feels a little less than feel even worse. And if you're constantly talking with that, like that becomes your personality, which it feels like, then yeah, it's a little off-putting or it's going to be detrimental to a relationship with the guy who maybe isn't on your life. level. Whereas if you don't lead with that, it's such an interesting conversation because I know a lot of women, particularly in L.A., that are successful and single and are in their 30s, early 40s. And dating's really hard. And there is this misconception. And I think she says it of because I'm this, men expect that I

want that as well. And if they're not that, then they start feeling a certain way. And she's right. People see you and they're like, oh, she wants someone who's like this. But when a woman, a lot of times, not all women are like this, but like when a woman is established and she's got all these things, what's missing from her life are things that aren't necessarily materialistic. But there's this perception that that is exactly what we want. Men already come feeling a little bit insecure. And so it makes dating hard. And I will also add that when I have met men who are successful, they actually are turned off by me being equally successful. They want somebody. who maybe isn't as a fan.

Yep. Like they want someone impressed by their own success? Yeah. Yeah. They want a cheerleader. Or I see those men want to infanelize the women sometimes. And of course, that's not all successful men,

but in my experience, I've seen that or my friends experience that as well. So what I think so interesting about her setup right now, I'm really interested in her story. She's presented with two men, one, who is successful. Yeah.

I'm not even going to count. the one guy who keeps asking about the car. Oh, the younger guy with the kid? The first guy. She keeps saying that their lifestyles are totally different. Yeah, yeah. It's Blake. Who got, first of all, Jordan, who got snipped after one kid.

One kid loves being a father, but got snipped. I'm so confused by that. Yeah. What's that back story? He got scared. It was one night stand, yeah. He must have had, like, a bad experience. Or it could be because, you know, he is really, like, his child has, was born with diabetes.

And so, like, maybe he's scared of another child. I don't know. He's a fuck boy, had a one-night stand, had a kid. He's scared. He's scared. He's scared. I love Jordan.

She's clocking it. She's clocking it. But Blake and then Mike, it's like Mike matches her on paper. But is that always good? Blake seems to be the other person, like, offers something more of, I feel like the missing puzzle piece for her. What was his club that that Mike said he was a part of? Like this guy group or he's.

Like wellness club or something? Yeah, like these six pillars of. I didn't trust that. Yeah. It seems like. It seemed like an MLM. You're in a cult. Yes.

It's giving like, and this is no shade. It's like Tony Robbins. Yeah. I, like I listen to those kind of people. I almost had a CD in. I turn on my podcast or whatever. And it's like I'm listening to motivational stuff about how great of a man I am. Like that's the energy that he gives me.

I think it's good to have role models and look to be self-improved, but not so much that you come on a TV show and talk about it being like a core tenant in your life, almost as if like it's your religion. Yeah. I read something that women who I'm not saying this is a person because I don't want any shade because I actually would love to have him on my podcast.

But women who date men who listen to Joe Rogan, that's an immediate turn off for them. Oh, I feel like I saw this somewhere. It was like a yeah. And I'm not saying he listens to a Joe Rogan again. Like I actually, that's my dream podcast guest. I don't listen to Joe Rogan, I have a lot of issues with him, but I, I want the conversation, but he gives

me that energy of not maybe I listen to Joe Rogan, but like, I'm in like the manosphere type. Yeah. And so I think that I would have clocked that. I feel like if I were her of an immediate, like, wait a minute. But I think there's a difference between, say, like, someone who, let's say a guy listens to Joe Rogan and just, it's not his thing, as opposed to a guy who like, you'll know on the second date where he listens to Joe Rogan.

He's like, well, I was listening to Joe Rogan episode. And Joe said Actually, cauliflower is bad for you It's a personality trait If you just happen to like If it's on your playlist Every once in a while Because you listen to five of them

Yeah For sure, for sure But yeah, there's something I hope she doesn't pick a mic And I think that I like Blake for her Yeah Because maybe of her trauma in dating

She is particularly drawn to him Because maybe she hasn't had someone like him But it would be a disaster It is crazy how many of these people we've never seen. Oh, because they always cast like 30 and focus on 10. I will say, though, I don't care how successful you are. I will say that every guy, I don't care if he's ultra successful or not. And I don't think it's a bad thing.

I think men do and need, they need a cheerleader. Like, all men need, they want someone to believe in them. You know, they need to do their part. And, you know, if they're going to date someone equally successful, I think both people want a cheerleader. And I think successful people, they want that validation. You know, they want someone who's proud of them, who's see. their effort, their grind, their hustle, you know. So I don't think it's a bad thing to want someone be a cheerleader. It just has to be, if you're going to be two people in a successful

relationship, you have to, like, mutually respect each other. We're watching, not reality TV, we're watching Black Rabbit right now on Netflix. Okay. And it's got Jude Law, it's got Jason Bateman. And one of the characters, Jude Law's best friend is like, you don't really know what, he's a successful man. He's like an artist, a musician. And, and, you know, he's a successful man. And, And him and his girlfriend who like goes to Jude law, they're breaking up. And she talks about how like, I'm living your life. She's like this interior designer. And it's just like he bit, you know, when I bring that up because like he just thinks

she's supposed to be grateful for existing. Right. Like she's this there. And she's like happy for him. But she doesn't just want to be grateful to be there. She wants him to also like root for her too. But you know what I'm saying? So I think it's okay to want and have a cheerleader.

But there needs to be reciprocity. especially if that other person you're dating gives this shit about their career and their accomplishments because I don't care who you are like even if you like Natalie loves being a mom and she you know like we together make a good trad wife but like there are but they're like she gives a shit

about like being a like other things outside of being a mom you know and I think you know I think sometimes in relationships we will like forget about our partner's passions and our interests and just see them as like along for their eyes they're useful your life as opposed to like how do they support each other's dreams i think that's oh sorry sorry i was just going to say is you nailed it on the head with the key component is mutual respect you know what i mean whatever you choose to do with your life that it's like i still deserve praise whether

it's making breakfast in the morning or going out and signing a million dollar deal whatever it is it's like at the end of the day respect my role in this relationship as i respect yours and we should be supporting each other equally and i'm sure like there's a lot a lot of the men and who feel emasculated naturally by their successful women partners, I think they sometimes are afraid to be their cheerleader because of that jealousy. If that jealousy comes in,

like, for some reason, like there's a lot of couples out there who don't want to, like, I've said this many times, and now it's the first relationship where I don't compete with her. You know, and I never realized in past relationships

that I was even competing, but you get away from it and you realize, like, it was always like this competition. You know, it was even little stuff. Like outside of career, It was just like, well, aren't we a team? I love this conversation for anybody who's listening, whether they're in a relationship or not.

Because, you know, as I said, I reflect on my own faults in the marriage. I was not a cheerleader in the beginning. I grew up being so independent. Like, I'm not going to say I didn't grow up privilege, but my parents were very much so like, you figure it out, you, you know, we're here if you need us, but you figure it out. Whereas my ex did not grow up that way, it was very, like, dependent. And as I learned through that, because we were in therapy before it all ended, it was like we think through things through a different way. So for me, I wasn't cheerleading, encouraging.

And I think, not I think I know, he really needed that. And by the time I kind of realized that we were already on the end of it. I'm more, I'm your cheerleader of like, okay, how do we figure this out? How, like, what's the issue? What's the problem? That's me helping you. But that's not what he needed. He really needed the encouragement.

Do I think it would have helped? No. But my fault in it is rather than paying attention to what he needed and encouraging in that way, I was doing it my way. And so I think that that's like a really important thing to note. The way that Sparkle Megan talks about her house and her car, when they do hometowns, I'm expecting the biggest mansion ever. But I'm also like... She better. She better.

And it better be, he said Ferrari, she said, nope. So I'm like, if it's a fucking range rover, like, come on. Do you think it's a cyber truck? Oh my God. And that's why she won't say it. And that's why she won't say what it is. That's crazy. It's a bright pink, it's a sparkle.

That would be hilarious. Oh, my God. Now I kind of want it to be. And then she can be with the Joe Rogan Manosphere guy. Yeah. It would be perfect. That's just a thought. Yeah.

I'm like, who else stood out in the episode? So you're right. There's so many people on there that I'm like. Well, we only watched one episode. It came out last night. Anna and Patrick. Both of them were like, oh, yeah, Patrick. That was only dated white. Yeah, they both were like talking about the same. They're both like, are you? Do you speak a second lady? Yeah.

Do you like my parents also? They asked the middle name. It was like, oh, they're trying to get into the middle. But then I was thrown off by, is it Casey? Yeah. We saw a bit of her. Yes. She flat out says, my sister with blonde hair. I know, a cute blonde white girl.

Wait a second. I thought you couldn't do that. Wait a second. Yeah, you can't get family descriptions. Casey is giving. She's like, my sister is gorgeous. She's so hot, really great body. Like, the hottest person is like the last week.

And like the jeans are great in our family, you know. It's the one that's like an international pop star. Yeah, she's a K-Pos. Yes. Cape Kong. I don't know if she's international. I mean, she is. It's internet.

She lives there. She performs in Korea. She does perform internationally. Maybe it's the star part. No, but you're so right. They literally gave the entire thing. She's like, by the way, also access to Korea. I was pissed.

I was pissed. Yeah. Casey, I've only seen one episode. So for those of you who are listening to this and watch the head, maybe there's context we're missing. But she is, because she's obviously a beautiful woman. She is giving the type of girl who just chokes the fuck. Not literally. but just like kind of like

well if she has one good date she'll just decide she falls in love with him and will just like suffocate the relationship because like she she seems to have so much going for her and you kind of wonder why she's struggling so much and you know she's on that treadmill she grind she's like you know that she's maximum effort you know she gives it her all

and she can't figure out why it's not working for her she has one good date she decides she's in love with this guy and then she will just suffocate the shit out of the relationship until he's just like I can't do it anymore like force it yeah like hold on hold things so stand by her phone waiting to text just like what is it are you okay are you okay is it everything is everything okay you know that kind of she's giving that energy oh I can't wait to see her move in with someone yeah like that's my no I'm excited to see Sparkle Megan move in with someone she feels like she's gonna be it's gonna be Mike oh you know who who who who was talking to the

She was just the one who was talking to the 29 year old kind of nerdy guy And she was this kind of Nick? Joe, Joe She was talking to Joe Yeah, and I'm like, this chick's mean Like she... Oh, I know what you're talking about.

I know what you're talking about. It's Madison. And it's just like she's already goofing around Like, you know, and... Which one's Joe? Because then I'll remember. Joe's the one that like kind of looks like Target.

Yeah, she's talking to Joe. Jacob Allorty. Madison. And it was just like she was just... Yeah. Target. On the first date where you're joking and you're joking You're just kind of negin them

And you're just kind of like poking them And it's just like It was the whole they were talking about their dream date And she was like no She was like pick up from 7-11 That's where I left off You pick up from 7-11 and where do we go from there I can't imagine if you forgot like the milk

From the grocery store in this relationship She's like oh my gosh And it ends with and finally we got there And they were like teamwork and I was like She talks shit about her boyfriends Oh yeah Yeah Well it's also like

Your dream date, but it does the stipulation is it has to start at 7-Eleven seems a bit odd. Of like, just let him restart. Let him do this thing. Like, you don't want to know what he would do for you. Exactly. Oh, that makes me think of because I was about to say, yes, the given the take you were just talking about, but that made me go back to Mike. When did Mike perk up with Megan when she said she believed in traditional roles. Yes.

Oh, my God. He was like, yes. Which I'm not anti. Listen, to each their own. It's just like, he. was like, man, this Megan, after that, he was a totally different person. Yeah.

He heard exactly what he wanted to say. And then he said something about like leaving his dishes. That's what it was. Would you get mad at me if I left my dishes? And she's like, no, I like do more traditional roles. And he was like, no fucking great. And it's just like, well, at least make an effort. I don't think now he's washed a single dish in our entire marriage.

That is not true. But you know what? Good for you. If you haven't. Because that man goes back to the six pillars and tells everybody that he left during dishes this morning. Listen, I haven't washed a single pair of, Clothes.

Single pair of clothes? I haven't washed. I haven't done any laundry since I've just started to date in Italy. And it works. Exactly. So I said,

you guys make a great job job. She's like, I don't do dishes and I'm like, good, I don't do laundry. Deal. Yeah, I'll do the dishes

I just don't like washing pans. I like to put everything in the dishwasher. The dishwasher is what it was made for. I agree. Sorry. Why wash with my hands if there's a dishwasher?

And there's lots of things that just do not belong in the dishwasher. He's like, my steak knives. Don't go in the dishwasher. That is actually true. they will rust.

They will turn into something different. Rachel. Because I do, I don't like to wash dishes either, but there are certain things that do not. I don't, I don't shop, I don't go to Target, I don't decorate, I don't, I definitely don't do laundry. That's, I'm all the lawn. Period. That's the most manly thing I do. Could we have a list of all of your other chores?

It was a little dark with Sparkle Megan talking to Jordan about his son having the diabetes, and she's like, oh, my father. died of diabetes and then he was like, yeah, she's like, I'm not saying, she's like, I think your son will be totally fine. It's like, I don't think anyone was talking about that. Well, he's five and your dad was old. That was rigid. She said, she was like, oh my gosh, my dad, my dad died. And I was like, no, no, no. I thought she was going to say, oh my gosh, I know what you've been through. My dad did, but my dad lived a long, a long life. There was a lot of other things that happened that caused him to die. She's like, it was...

She's like, well, that means kind of diabetes. Because he's not into Jordan. I'm telling you, it's Blake or Mike, Blake or Mike. Because Jordan, every time he gets in, he's like, what's kind of car do you drive? I've gone through the list. And he's like, I feel like we live very different lives. I drive the Kia Forte.

And she was like, oh, do you? She does not... And she's like, poor. She doesn't seem like the kind that one's a stepson. Well, he was like that. something, it was giving middle management. And no, not for, not for Sparkle, Megan. It's not for her.

Wait, was he the branch manager? Yeah. Yeah. But he's really proud of it. He was really proud of it. See, like, I like people who are passionate about what they do. He's like, I'm really proud of myself forgetting. It's not going to work for Sparkle Megan.

She heard manager and was like, but that's kind of my point. And you were right. I think she's successful, but she, I think she has a way of emasculating the men she dates as a way to like validate herself and maybe there's it's a combination of the men she's dating not validating her but like it's not just all these men just can't handle a successful woman yeah there's a way to be proud about what you do but again it's all about what you lead with right like I'm not going to lead with certain successes I want you to get to know me or you know like to do for fun do we know what Megan likes to do for fun other than shop I mean when

she walked through and they were showing us her jewelry. I was trying to pause. I was like really trying to pay attention and like figure out what it was. I really respected him for being like, and I fucking hate her name. Yeah. He's like, no, but a lot. She's cool, but the fucking name sucks. It's got it off.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, as somebody who has seen all six of the episodes, you guys are in for a really incredible rest of the episodes whenever you decide to. watch them this weekend. I'm just saying it gets so good. As someone who's seen without spoiling anything, how do you feel about some of our takes? I will say one of your takes is very off. Oh my. Okay. Well, we had a lot of them, so I feel like that's good on. Yeah.

I'm only saying one. I'm not trying to spoil. Only one is solid. Solid. At least one of your takes. And not off. There it is. Way off. Way off. I'm in. I'm never, I'm not one for like love reality shows and has nothing with The Bachelor. I've always just been more into the lifestyle. I don't even really do competition ones. Except for, like, traitors. Yeah, like, I like the lifestyle ones. But love is blind is the one I've been in and out of.

When they move in together. I need a break. Oh, it's when they go to the honeymoon place. And they see the person that they almost picked. And then it's like, oh, she's kind of hot. And it's right off that high versus, like, spending a night together. And then, like, one of them always expects to hook up. And the other one is always like, I don't know.

You should sleep on the couch. You know, it's always just the vibes. It's so good. But I feel like, are we going to meet more people, like couples through the next episode? Because I feel like things move really fast now. They do, yeah. Where I'm like, we're already at an engagement meeting up. And I know that we always end an episode like that.

But I'm just like, I don't know, because I kind of want to participate the way that they do where I'm like, I want to wear the blindfold and I want to listen and try to figure out. And when they meet up, I want to be like, that's who they're like. Because like, right now I'm like, I could forget all of these faces in an hour. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I'm like, I kind of want to play along. Are you watching? Golden Bachelor at all? Or are you? Yeah. I'm obviously turned off at the man and what he said. And then I saw

because like it's also my algorithm, right? So I saw that he didn't end up limiting a lot of women over 60. So I was like, okay, this. So you mean what you said? Yeah. You mean what he said. The most intriguing thing to me about this man is that he's black. Like, why are we not talking about this? That was I was like, wait, what? Yeah. What, his dad played in a... The Negro League? That's crazy. I should be watching.

Honestly. Mary called it out for me, too. She was like, did you catch that? And I was like, my dad worked for the baseball team. And Diana Ross lived behind him. And she's like, no, he's not black. I was like, excuse me? Yeah, I was like, I don't know if this is necessarily like my place to bring this up on the show.

But it's definitely something that I'm thinking about. Yes. I almost was like, should I? Like, no. Let me just save it. or Taylor Frankie Paul That's what I'm into Oh she's gonna crush

But I yeah I was I was trying I was watching a little bit last night And I'm and I think yeah A lot has to do with He clearly doesn't like any of these women And that's fine But why did they you know His ex-wife's 45

It's like Oh she is? Yeah How old is he? Did you? 63 or something? She's 45 now? Yeah

He needs to be on age of attraction He was serious He does need to be on age of How do you finish casting? He's 60 But I just like, you know, you watched a golden, like the first, even the first season because it was like so heartwarming and you watched and you cried. And now I'm just like, man. Well, he doesn't have to be a scammer, right?

Yeah. But we didn't know. I said this before, but I think that they need to raise the age of Golden Bachelor. I think that they should lean toward the older people because it's getting too young. Maybe. But like your Bachelor can't be a guy. They're 0 for two. Your golden bachelor can't be ageist

It's fucking weird They all did make I liked that they all Poked fun at him at the roast about it though Sure but like it doesn't make it any more And then you're out We've also been poking fun at it for the first two episodes Or three episodes

So it's kind of like okay There's no connections really happening here If this is the only thing that we can roast him about You loved it because it was heartwarming And charming and now it's just kind of a bit Well yeah as a single person I'm like oh great so they don't grow out of it It's like, great.

So you're telling me. So you're telling me. That's all I take away. When I turned 27 this year, Nick was like, wow, it's really interesting that you're 27 now. I'm like, oh, just to let you know, motherfucker. You're 45. Don't you forget it. No, that's not exactly how I went.

She's like, I'm 27. That's, I'm like, yeah. It's really weird. Well, the truth is I was more like, yeah, you know, because like early days, I was pretty sweating it. Yeah, self-conscious about like, you don't need to know. I told you

not to be self-conscious. When I first learned about you, I was like, don't be self-conscious about that. Good for you. Period. Thanks, Rachel. My guys younger. Thanks, Rachel. Wait, Nick and Rachel, I have a question for both of you. Maybe we've asked this before. I don't remember. But

who are the kind of people that are in the audience at these kind of events? Like these roasts, these strip dances, all these group date competition. Yeah, they'll usually make like an announcement if you're in the area. Yeah, they've got a flyer. Yeah. It's fans. Because they'll put it up on like social and stuff. Yeah, you can see it.

But it's, yeah, it's fans. Women. Mostly women. Yeah. Yeah. Past cast members trying to make it back. Yeah. Yeah. It's a cameo. Even though I have said I would come back for Taylor. Yeah. Not probably not.

I'm just talking. You should. No, you should. Give her the pop talk. It's gonna be so good. It's gonna be good, but it's, I just keep telling people, a line has been drawn in the sand. Like, stop wishing for the yesteryear. Like, the people who are like, oh, but it's changed.

Good, it needs to. It's not going to be the same. She will not find love. And I, and I'm fine with that. That's not the show that I'm signing up for. Like, I, it's, I mean, like, she will fall because she's like, loves love. And I think that that's something that's, um, It will be a small miracle.

Genuine about her, right? Like, I like this. She's unapologetically. She falls quickly. And she knows that and she owns it. I like that. But I'm not expecting her to be a, you know, I don't know. I was trying to name a Bachelorette, you know, like, of yesterday you, Trista.

I'm like, I'm not expecting her to be that. I'm expecting her to be herself. If they fucking bring Tristan, Sutter on, no, I love you, Trista. They might. They might because they're going to bring in Hannah. They're going to bring in Trista. Yeah, they'll bring in. sit down.

They're like, I don't give a fuck. I want them to bring in Rachel. They're not going to bring in me, but they're probably like, let's keep her away. Even though I'm such, I am so supportive of it. They don't bring us. They're, we're. Yeah, they don't bring us. They're like, black sheep.

They're like, they don't need us, so we don't need them. I wonder what our, what our reputation is now that there's like new production, mostly new producers. It's like, of course they've heard of us, but like, what do they know? No, it's like, no, I've heard about you. I don't want to do. I'm just like curious as to what the thing is. But I'm for it.

I'm here to help her. I'm here to help her. Bring me back for her to have fun. That's all I want to see. And I'm happy that they made this move finally. But like, never mind. Don't continue with Hulu stars as your leads. That's all I'll say.

Yeah. Yeah, I think we won and done it. Yeah, for sure. I think you can bring other people in who, are, who have a platform, but don't, like, keep bringing in Hulu stars. I don't want to see a Nader sister. That's what I'm trying to say. Yes, yes.

We go to the bottom of it. And it's nothing against their show. It's just, like, there's just so much of it. And I'm just like, I don't want to see it. Yeah. It's just, I don't want to, like, every time I see a page six article come up, it would be so, it's just so much. I don't want to see it.

Very trying to make their universe. They are. So they're trying very hard. I don't, don't force it on us. And like, Taylor did not feel forced. Taylor felt like, totally. Something new, something refreshing. But if you keep it going, I'm like,

well, the hope is, I'm assuming the hope is that she will, they fucked it up before. Like, they fucked it up with Joey. Joey gave him a shot in the arm. And then they fucked it up. So they could always fuck it up again. And they're good at fucking it up. But picking her.

The hope is, They cast a great men. Taylor's very, but hopefully. Fun men. But she's, you know, Taylor's appealing. Hopefully they'll get, you know. This is really sweet. And I know you guys are friends with Taylor and you want the best for her.

But the reality is, and I, again, I'm such a fan of their show. I like it. The reality is men who are going to be coming on this show, sadly for her. Again, this is not a digger at her. Sadly for her are going to step into, they're going to have to move to Utah. They're going to deal with two baby daddies and they're going to deal with three kids and possibly be on another show.

I feel sorry for her in the sense that somebody's going, most will be opportunists. Yeah. Most will be. I hope half of them are fathers. That is the least that they could do. That's what I said. And not have 30 men.

Like maybe let's have 12, 15. Maybe it's a little bit more intimate for her. You know, we start in Utah. I think that they, like, you know how dance is. of the stars kind of like taps into the TikTok of it all. I think this show should tap into the TikTok. I think she should be allowed to use her phone a little bit.

Oh, I've been saying this. They need to give the lead a phone that is controlled by the show and they can access text messages and like they should give all the guys a phone. That's like not connected to the outside world, but access to Taylor. Instead of sneaking out, you could sneak text, you know, and modernize it. Right. I think that, yeah, I, if we're really trying to help Taylor finally, love. I think that you can't throw 30 men

at her who are going to love bomb her because she really could change the name of the show to love bombing because that's what it is. But yeah, I want to see I would hope that she finds it, but she's not. Yeah. We're there to be entertained. They're going to put her in pressure cookered situations those parents are going to come.

Parents are going to be good. Man. That's going to be great. Those parents are going to come. No, but you're so right. They need to be like men that are very much vetted rooted in their careers or like, but able to be remote or flexible

but like have priorities and responsibilities outside of just like wanting to be out of another TV show. Honestly, I hope they go a little bit older. Yeah. Give her some older men who have kids. Hot, hot older men.

To Rachel's point, though, is that she knows and I know that they're not casting for Taylor most of the time. They don't really give a fuck. They're not, it's not their priority. Yeah. Right?

Where if they really cared about Taylor, they half the men would be dads or like fit a certain type of type or whatever whatever Taylor's preferences are they would sit down and like really want to get to know what she's into and they they don't do that they don't do it well we'll see but we will be entertained Rachel it's always a pleasure thank you guys so much fun now that we're really close to your house we expect you to be on more yep yeah I love coming on here we have a good time you make me comfortable and then I'm like all right What are the headlines going to be this?

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Well, that will do it for today's episode. If you haven't listened to yesterday's Going Deeper, we have Amy Dugger King, part of the Dugger family in that whole mess. All the juicy details. Amy is here to talk all about it. So if you know a glimpse of that story, you're going to want to tap in and listen to that episode. I think that'll do it for today.

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