The Viall Files - E1013 - LIB’s Madison, DWTS, RHOP, RHOM, RHOSLC, Sexiest Men in Podcasting, Halitosis and Halloween Costumes

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

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by my beautiful wife, smart, gorgeous, talented. Also has an audition this week. Wife is maybe becoming an actress. Oh my God. Okay, let's not jinx it, guys. I just got like a self-tape. She didn't even ask. It was like, someone just like, hey, we want you to audition.

And I was like, people understand. Oh, so she's off her audition only. I'm off her audition only. So the next time you see me, I'll be acting with. She's very good. and Jason Statham, of course. Of course. Your FYC campaign starts now.

I'm in the next Fast and Furious. Huge. We have a great episode lined up for you today. Madison from Love is Blind is joining us involved in some drama. There's a new batch of episodes. We're going to focus on episode seven and let the rest of you guys catch up on the episodes. That being said, Madison has some drama and a lot of these episodes coming up. So we'll dive into Madison.

If you haven't heard the he said, she said episode between. Patrick and Casey. That is on Tuesday's episode of reality recap. Also, guys, I'm into Potomac. I'm into it. It rocks. It's fun. Bad breath drama.

That's what I live for. Just petty, like meaningful, real life. Everyone can relate to the friend with bad breath. But it's also like the best way to bring someone down, you know, because it's like. Yeah. That's a stain. Yeah. And they can't be like, well, you're lying because like you can smell your own breath.

And the most beautiful people can have the worst raunchy breath. And sometimes it's like a rotten tooth. Or bad gut. I won't say who. I think some of the people in the household know. There is a Bravo celebrity that when I met, stunning person. And I was sitting next to them and helotosis to the most is. It was just like, howlottosis to the most is.

Sometimes it's not helitosis. This was. Okay, dentists by all. Sorry. Sometimes it's just like people who don't floss and they like just have like a piece of steak from four years ago still in their back molar, you know? And this is where shame really plays its. part. Like, Natalie, obviously not a fan of the weed smoking, which I haven't done in too long. But when I do smoke weed, Natalie lets me know that she thinks my teeth are rotting. And when I don't floss, she also shames me into thinking I have the worst breath. Which, uh, because what do you say back to that of someone being like, hey, it smells like you have a rotten tooth? I never, I feel the most ugly when Natalie shames my breath. Well, yeah, because she has to kiss you. Because it reminds me of helotosis to the most is. You can't recover from someone saying you have bad breath. No. Like that will always label you. No, you can. You can't any. That's, that's, that's a, that's enough. You can. You can't. That's, that's an. You can. You can't. That's. You can't. You can't. That's. You can't. That's. You But what? You show up to the next party and be like...

You're like, smell me. Hey. We've all been stinky before. The best way to do that is just to walk into a room without bad breath. And you're like, what can you say about me? Just my personality? Exactly. I mean, if you have a history of it, we can also just beg, I don't want to get that close, you know? They're always going to say that, though. Exactly.

We also have Real Housewives of Miami Reunion Part 1. We didn't talk about last week working into. We have Salt Lake City, which, like, this was like a weird episode of, of everyone like mending fences and getting along, a little bore. I don't need to see it. It's not real. Okay, but we got a tease of something pretty incredible

that might happen, which is Meredith and Angie team up. I guess. But also, like, I need a little background on Mary's family tree. And like, the phrase, my church just threw me every time she said that. Oh. My church.

My church? It is her church. I mean, we've been saying that she is Mary. She's the pastor. Her grandmother was the owner. That painting was wild. Of the church. It's awesome, isn't it?

And then her grandma, like, this is the weird part where in the first two seasons and Justin, Mary helped me out here, because I'm a little fuzzy on it too. But I guess the grandma in her, like, last testament while dying, wanted Mary to marry her husband, was not her biological grandfather. One, wasn't it? None of the sisters wanted to fulfill that. To fill the role. The mom thought she was going to.

I don't understand why Mary had to marry the husband. I don't know. It seems like it gave her. a beautiful life, though. A hundred percent, and she's still happily married to Robert Sr. today, so... Also, I just want to say, I think the Potomac cast is the hottest collective group of housewives.

Period. Mm-hmm. I think they're all hot, but Potomac is hot. They have the most I woulds. Yeah. That statement. I mean, Giselle is very hot. Her eyes. I would too. Ashley Darby. I mean, I've just, you know, Ashley Darby? Is that any? Gorge. Even bad breath, don't it? Casey? Her face card is pretty great.

No, none of them declined. Your face card when her mouth is closed. Yeah. Well, I can't smell it on TV. I know. Stacey. She doesn't look at it. No, no, no.

I actually, no, this goes in the category of like something in your teeth. I had a group of friends and one of the friends was like had bad breath. And then the other friend came to me and said, do we say something to her? And I was like, absolutely. Like, don't embarrass her. Take her aside. Grab a cup of coffee in the nicest possible way. Grab a cup of coffee.

It's only going to make it worse. there's some acid on that fire yeah go eat some garlic have some red on here have a couple onions but like don't walk around and let your friend you need you need to let them know because you can do something about it like and honestly when you have bad breath you don't know about it like be a friend don't let your friend walk around just like having people being like oh my god you know well don't tell her in front of the group yeah no not in front of the group don't embarrass them but take her to a cup of coffee take her to a dental expo this is how we brush our teeth.

A dental convention. A dental convention. What's the line of going too far? Like, okay, you could tell somebody if they have something in their teeth, if they smell bad, if their breath smells bad. But like, what's the line? I think if it's something that they truly can't, like, change. Yeah, if it's not fixable.

Yeah, I think it's like after a haircut. It's like your face is broken. No, my aunt one time after I got a tattoo was like, I don't really like it. And I was like, well, it is permanent. So thanks. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing I can really do about that now.

I also think if it's not hurting anyone else, then like, but if it, like, bad breath like that or something, or if it's something truly embarrassing, if it's coming from a good place. But I will say sometimes you end up looking like the asshole because there is like a condition or something and that you didn't know about. And they're like, oh, and you're like, okay, I'm the asshole. I'm so sorry. I was just trying to help you. Well, halotosis is a condition. It's a condition of having an unhealthy gut.

But like, and it's not like, it's not an easy. I thought it was a gum disease. I'm not a dentist. I don't know, but I'm pretty sure there's things you can do about it. You can change your diet, like, and it's worth it. Like, you know, it's not like a mint problem. Unless it is genetic, yeah. Halitosis commonly known as bad breath can be caused by various factors, including oral hygiene, poor brushing and fossing habits, gum disease, parodontal disease, tonsolitis, and dry mouth. Sometimes it's dietary factors, consuming strong smelling foods like garlic, onions, and coffee, eating certain medications, eating certain medications, such as antibiotics, to chemotherapy drugs, medical condition, gastro, esophageal, reflux disease, respiratory infessions, liver

kidney disease, other causes smoking, hormonal changes, stress. Okay, that's enough, Mary, thank you. That's where we get iffy. And where's too far too is like, it's like, it's like gaining weight or something if somebody is like, oh, you could probably put the cookie down. Like, don't say that. Don't say that to me. Well, don't be an asshole.

Speaking of cookies, Natalie has a public service announcement. Speaking of internet, I know we talked about the internet. No, no, no. I think I just am probably an idiot. And I think I'm the only person. Listen, you're not an idiot. You don't know. And I think a lot of people don't know.

So don't shame yourself and just like be vulnerable and let the people know. Okay, if y'all allow me the floor, I will be vulnerable. You're allowed the floor. Every single time without fail, almost immediately, when I land on a website, I accept all cookies. I do too. And I had no idea that you are not, you shouldn't. You have the option to say no. I thought it was like, you're not going to be able to view this website if you don't

accept our cookies. That's how they trick you. These are the cookies we're talking about? I know. I was like, wait, I thought we were talking about other ones. Mary, what do, what do internet cookies do? Don't they track you? Yeah, it like basically says you can, you, you, dive in, like, it's basically saying internet, come into my house. Don't take your, don't take your shoes off, make yourself comfortable, record everything. So if I were to ever go missing, I feel like you have all the answers that you need, you know? If you go missing, I will too, because I do the same exact thing. So, okay. Here's the textbook definition of internet cookies.

Internet cookies are small text files that website store on your device to remember information about you and your browsing activity, enabling personalized experiences, i.e., the government's tracking you, and saved login details, shopping cart items, site preferences, and targeted content. So it's basically how like when you're on Instagram and you're like, how do they get these fucking targeted ads? It's because they're tracking you. Yeah, I don't mind that actually because sometimes I'm like, yeah, I do want this.

Yeah, sometimes I'm like, oh my God, thank you. I literally was just thinking about this. No one text to Leia or my wife anymore. Yeah, you don't, it's like you don't mind it until Jeff Bezos shows up at your house being like, hey, I saw that you looked up halitosis causes. Are you okay? Yeah. We've got some recommendation.

Yeah, we're all going to be fed dental hygiene. Yeah. But now that I'm pressing, now that I'm pressing do not accept cookies, I've never felt more powerful. And it still lets you in. And it still lets me in. Step into that power, Natalie. You know, it's like, no. Please. Do you have a warrant? No, then you can't come in.

This is crazy. Can I tell you? I view it as like charity almost, you know, where it's like, hey, do you want to like donate an extra couple cents? And I'm like, yeah, sure. Like, that's how I feel about cookies. You donate your personal information. I'll accept these cookies. You want to round up. Honestly, and if you say, do you want to round up, nine times out of ten, I will say yes. But if you say, do you want to donate, I'll probably say no.

But rounding up, please, give me to an even number. Yeah For all the math geeks out there Which Natalie is not She's like yeah I can't possibly What are you charging me Yeah I'm like how much do you want me that

And then what is my total after that I don't know just round up Do you know people used to balance a checkbook Yeah I watched my mom do that I had to learn to balance a checkbook in school Never done it in my life I know how to do it Oh yeah I did it in school too

Hell Mac Well a little history lesson back when Things were like not paperless And people like lived Like they do now on a on a on a on a tight budget and you would write checks and checks would take you know two to three days to cash so you would have to balance your checkbook every month to like track the few days between when the checks you would write and the checks would cash to make sure you don't

go you know you're not overdrawn boring crazy that my brain just exited my body when you started talking no I literally I don't know where I went but I was not in this room yeah I feel like what did you do with your credit card yeah yeah what about Zelle what they didn't email you? Venmo? You didn't get an alert, text alert, saying you were close to overdrafting? Yeah. Duh.

All right, you guys are all geniuses. You didn't say, what if we just print more money? An embarrassing story. Period. Go on. Very quick one. I forgot how to write a check entirely, actually. What?

Well, Danny usually, like, writes our check for rent, and he's on tour, so I had to, and I, like, had to look it up, because I was like, I don't remember. how to do this. What are you writing a check for? Rent, but there's like... Isn't that like an online portal? There's little little things on the bottom of the bottom. I sell my landlord. Old school landlord with this many dollars.

What do you? Yeah, literally like spells it out for you. It's ad libing. Memo. Memo line. What do you put there? Did your brain break when you had to like spell out the amount? Yeah.

And like, how do you spell thousand? No, it's the sense for me. Yeah. Well, it's an even amount. I don't pay like a, you don't, my rent isn't insent. You know? Yeah, it's rounded up. And, uh, yeah.

So it just, I just wrote like my rent number. It was very strange. And zero, zero over a hundred cents. At one point I used to know how to do it. We're getting dumber. But on a fun note, are you excited to getting ready for Halloween? Yes. No?

Oh, my least favorite holiday. And that's why I were in love. Really? So do you decorate for Halloween or do you decorate for fall? Well, now that I have a, autumn. Well, now that I have a child, it's definitely like makes holidays more fun. And so like, usually I would have just done pumpkin. and it would have transitioned us from Halloween into Thanksgiving.

And then November 1st, everything comes down and the Christmas tree goes up. But now that I have a daughter, I'm like, oh, this needs to be fun. So we went to Home Goods and got all the Jackal Lanterns, all the spooky kitties and all the stuff. And that was so much fun. But the thought of having to, like, come up with an idea of what to be for Halloween, it's like every, even before, like, it kills me every year. They actually offered to give me a gift card, but they offered to give me a gift card

right after me and Nick's mom left home goods getting stuff for the lakehouse and I had spent so much money and I'm sitting in the parking lot waiting for Nick's mom to finish returning the cart and I get a text from my lovely team being like hey home goods heard you talked about them on the podcast they'd love to give you a gift card I'm like oh well that would have been perfect 10 minutes ago but we'll still take it. Thank you for thinking of us home goods we'll still take it the shelves and the disrespectfully humble brag studio home goods sounds like a sponsor dad um wait you guys I have a question for the room and for our audience. I

am debating with my friend two different Halloween costumes. Right? We are either going to do Lisa Rina and Harry Hamlin. Great. Yeah. Or I'm going to be Lisa Runa and she's going to be Harry Hamlin because... It really honestly doesn't matter. They look the same.

I was going to say just like the same wig. But I also want to do like full fan Lisa Rina drag. I think that would be really funny. Get it. Or the Da Vinci twins. Who? Do you guys know who the Da Vinci twins are. The Da Vinci twins are a little, they're outdated. They're too, disagree.

They're like these two twin brothers who have hymboes and they have hair that like sticks up like six inches and they like talk like this and they go da Vinci. I lose brain cells watching them. Honestly, that's like, you have to commit to the bit too much. If you have to speak in a different voice the entire night, it's way too much work. I know. I also am like kind of want to be hot at my Halloween party. You don't. Also, when it comes to a Halloween costume, it can't be like, oh, who are you?

Like, it needs to, like, you need to walk in the room and people need to go. Oh, my God, I love that. Oh, my God. That's so good. But here's my thing of, like, obviously in this room, Lisa Rina and Harry Hamlin would kill. But in a mixed crowd of my friends who are a lot of, like, film people, they're going to be like, who the fuck are you? But yeah, you know your audience for sure. Do you think the film people are going to know the dinkly boys? That's crazy. No, but, like, me and my friend are, like, stupid by choice.

Mary, I think they're so dumb. Don't do the Divincky twins. Sierra, what are you going to be? I usually take it pretty seriously, but I tend to do it kind of later on. So right now I have no idea what I'm going to be. And I have to think of what Connor is going to be too. See, that's where it gets me. It's like I have to also think of what like couple now, like it has to be a group thing now, like Rivers involved.

Like, it's just too much. And last year, River was a strawberry. Nick and I were quote unquote strawberry farmers. Like, okay. You could do that with one year. I want her to be a cat because she loves cat so much. But, like, what are we? The cat owners.

Big pussies. Wait, River can be a cat and you guys can meet me and Justin. You could be a wrist of cats. But who would Nick and I be? Edgar. You would be, not Marie, the mom, the beautiful put-together white cat. River should be Marie. And then Nick is O'Malley.

Thomas. O'Malley. Yeah. Nick does give O'Malley. O'Malley the Allie cat. Per. Speaking of. sexy cats your host me has been nominated for people magazine sexiest podcaster right yes he has

i was not nominated last year i did leave i did lose to uh taylor lotner because i can't do backflips no yeah i'm also nominated against i know i'm already going to lose because matt rogers and bone yang yeah matt rogers and bone yang are also nominated well mary publicly said she was voting for them I said, and then I said, JK, I actually did vote for you. I did vote. And then did you vote again under a different email? No, no, no, no.

I got there, I got there and I stared at it for like a good, like, truly. I'm being completely vulnerable. And I was like, yeah, I have to go neck. Because it's also, I feel like it's unfair because it's two of them and one of you. It's actually shocking. It's a category because I never thought like something like People magazine would put man and sexy in podcasts in the same sentence. Yeah, it seems like an oxymoron.

That's awesome. All of, like, all of the prompts are interesting. It's like sexiest man with tattoos. Yeah, Dylan Ephron, your boy Dylan Ephron. Also, who will be joining us on a special edition of Ask Nick, celebrity guest, Dylan Efron, who is also a listener of Asnick and has incredible relationship insight. That is Monday's episode of Ask Nick. If you haven't joined an Asnick episode, you've been missing out.

And if I'm not a reason to join sexy Dylan Efron is, I was a little offended because I thought, you know, maybe it's my butterfly tattoos that aren't so sexy. I don't know. But also there's a category for, like, sexiest 40-year-old, which of all the categories, I, like, I'm sorry, Derek Huff. I did not vote Derek Huff for that. Who did you vote for it? Well, you have to vote to get to the podcasters.

I had to vote. Okay. You know, I did vote Dylan? Yeah. Wait, did we just stop at 40s? Yeah, they just stopped. There was also sexiest fictional character, which I, of course, did vote for Dr. Robbie. Yeah.

Anyways, you can go to our link in bio. on our Instagram and vote for Matt Rogers and Bowman. Give River something to brag about one day. Yeah, it's for the kids. My dad's the sexiest podcaster of 2025. What if you lose to Seth Myers and the Lonely Island, how would that feel? Well, right now, all I have is Special Forces. You know, I'll be like, I won this for you when you were just a little, little, little, little, little, like, you know, baby, little, little baby egg.

Special Forces is the one to brag about, too. And you made it far dancing with the stars. Yeah. Yeah, you learned how to do Meringue. I can't do that. Speaking of which, I think it's so funny. So Tuesday night, Dancing with the Stars, it was Disney Night, which is a fun category. And all the sexy guys are always like the Prince or something hot.

And I'm always reminded that there was some producer on Dancing with the Stars that fucking hated me when I was on because they made me Pinocchio. And I had to shave my beard. Maybe that's why I don't correlate you with no beard. beard today. Maybe. You know? It was my best dance. And I'm proudly, I probably embraced it.

I feel like, I don't know who can, who won Whitney and Mark? Winnie gets the highest score every week. 25 out of 30. Whitney's an amazing dancer. I'm sorry. Like, I know that the TikToks, I was like, you don't know what you're looking at. But I'm like, no, she is. Oh, rhythm.

She is skilled. No, she did great. I, in my opinion, I thought Alex Earl and Val definitely. Most fun. Coolest dance. They killed it. Just the vibe of it all. Really cool. I was into it.

She's so sharp with her movements, too. And I feel like she's somebody who like every week, same with Dylan. It's like they give them notes and they come back even better. But just like the costume and the vibe and the music, I was into it. Some of the other dances were kind of, I don't know, boring. Yeah, like didn't love the song that Whitney and Robert chose. Like, what was that from? I thought it was Tarzan the way he was like coming down from a stripper pole in like a floral top.

I was like, this is kind of giving like Tarzan. Speaking of Whitney and Robert, we have. a very special going deeper with them on Wednesday. You will not want to miss that. Shameless plug. But yeah, it was a, it's a fun show, Dancing with the Stars. Now they're not going to go next Tuesday.

Oh. And it sounds like Dylan has something up his sleeve for next week. He kind of teased. What is the next week category? That I don't know. They were, I'm really proud of Dylan this episode, this week because he was smiling.

He looked like he was having fun. That's really important. Dylan, Dylan's 100% going to the finals. Next week. Dancing with the Starz theme is Dedication Night. Oh. What did you do for dedication? You don't want to know. They said that they thought that he was going to do high school musical because of his brother

and Disney. He was like, well, if I'm around next week, I've got something special plan, which sounded like he wasn't supposed to tease that. But I wonder if his dedication is going to be to his brother. I thought he would too. And then we had Riley and Scott do high school musical. Scott's doing really great. I enjoy his dances.

He's got an energy. He can dance and sing. He's a performer. But, like, being as tall as he is, like, he's at a disadvantage. He's a little, he's lanky. I also think he's kind of at a disadvantage because I think he's come one of the lesser known people on this cast this year. Maybe mainstream, but he's got a massive following.

Yeah. I know the whole Acapella group, but I'm just like, I think out of everyone, I'm like, he impresses me every week. I also think Danielle Fischel did a really good job this week as well, because she's somebody who I feel like is not a dancer. I've heard she's been doing good, yeah. And she did, I want to look like you. I want to be like you from.

jungle book and their cute little costumes were cute because they look like little bears that's all no gin and Jan

that genie costume was wild I don't know seeing him seeing him as Taylor Swift's background dancer is just like

so sick but yeah they're the costume they crush I mean could have gone with Aladdin

but we said no full body die and I support that because that's kind of my Halloween vibe do you imagine

if they got eliminated this week being fully painted in blue doing that move Please. You go out, you go straight to Vegas to fill in for the blue man group. Every time Jen does something with her legs spread wide open, I just think about that sweet little angel baby who came out of there not too long ago.

And it hurts me. I just think about the fact that we had an issue with Chippendales. Well, you know, Zach has really evolved as a man. Yeah. No, 100%. I think he's a great support. But I just think it's funny that I'm just like. Because now she is the Chippendales.

She is the Chippendale. I mean, going back to Nick being the sexiest man, Special Forces being the one that you should flex. I saw the clip of Eva drowning from the show. She deserves so much. I'm sorry. Like, she lost consciousness. Like, that was a scary clip to watch.

I didn't see this. It stressed me out. Just enjoyed it to me. I don't think people realize this is how serious that show is. Like, it is not for the fan of heart. And the people who sign up for that show literally put themselves in harm's way. And you literally sign a release saying you could die. And some of the stuff they do is like, legit.

Dangerous. It was crazy to see someone, like, go unconscious, though. She was okay. You like, you, it's crazy too because like every Bravo Webb

is like in Eva's comments being like you're so strong because you literally watch her like lose consciousness and then I

don't know if it's Rudy or whoever that was like like who are you where are you like making sure she could answer questions and she did

but she was like catching her breath actively while like gaining consciousness and when something like this happens to somebody

are we immediately eliminated? I was not to ask did she get like medically discharged because of that or would they let her I don't know actually

or do they keep her in the game if she can if she wants to participate. I'm watching Leve Island games, and there was one guy who's, or Chris, actually. Chris from this past season,

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well uh what a wild couple episodes you've been a part of really just i want to say thank you for bringing the drama this season um i don't know if you guys you probably didn't because you probably filmed right around the time they filmed in minneapolis but boy that was boring so anyways just uh a selfish thank you anyways i guess where do we start let's just start by you know i always ask the same question to many of the cast members but obviously this this experiment is crazy joe certainly wanted us to know just how insane it was but But we do recognize the insanity of just signing up and being a part of this show. So I am just curious, you know, were you a fan, have you watched it? When you got this opportunity, what was going through your mind saying yes to such a crazy experiment? Oh my gosh. You know, I actually was a fan. I watched Love is Blind since season one. And I really loved it because of the way that it resonated with me as far as my eye condition goes.

And I was like, this is so what I need to do to see truly, like, at the long run, if this is what my life could be like. And to kind of get to explore that was just so incredible. Speaking of your condition, just to like fully understand it, is this, is this something where you know at some, someday you will be blind? Or is it you don't know and it's kind of like 50-50? Like, can you better explain, you know, what you have to deal with on a daily basis? Yeah, absolutely. So I have something called retinitis pigmentosa. So it's a degenerative eye condition. It is not 100% that I will go blind. My prognosis is very up in the air. There's so much research happening right now. So really, it's a good time to have this diagnosis because of all

the research and all the clinical trials and things that are happening. But RP, case by case, is so different for each person. So my RP is going to be different from somebody else's RP. I know people that are younger than me that have never driven. I know people that are 70 and still have some range of visions. So I wish I could give you a clear prognosis. I wish I had one myself. But it really is kind of up in the air. However, it is considered a blinding eye disease. So we kind of have to operate with that may be the case. That's obviously so scary, Madison. I mean, like from a mental health standpoint, can you give us some insight or just for the people who maybe not this condition but have to deal or live in fear of a scary diagnosis. How do you handle that? And how do you

emotionally deal with that? And what is that like dating? You know, maybe before you got into love is blind. Is that something that you would bring up on a first date? Would you wait for a while? Like, how did you handle that? You know, when I was first diagnosed, I was just in shock. Nobody else in my family has this condition. So I really had no information. There was no resource that I knew of to go to. And I really kind of went into denial for a long time. I was genuinely just kind of sticking my head in the sand and not wanting to address it. But I really think that monsters are scarier in the dark. So the more that you learn, the more light that you can shed on it, the easier it becomes to kind of digest. So I started doing as much research as I could. I found a community through the foundation fighting blindness, which I'm now the president of the Colorado chapter. And I'm really advocating for people to, you know, speak more to. their condition. I think any diagnosis, it's a part of us, but it doesn't define us. And I think that's the biggest thing. As far as dating, you know, it's pretty evident. I mean, if I go to a bar or a restaurant that's dimly lit, like walking in, I usually will stumble into something. I might run into a chair or

honestly trip on some chairs. I mean, I do that too and I can see just fine. So yeah, yeah, exactly. So, you know, it comes up pretty quickly. I like to be very open and honest about it. You know, It doesn't fully hinder my life, but it's definitely something that a partner has to kind of help me with a little bit. Okay. Well, let's jump into Love is Blind. I want to start with, we know this experiment is about, you know, not leaning into physical attraction, but, you know, I've said this many times. I can never do this show. Physical attraction matters to me.

I hope it's okay for me to say it. You are a stunning, beautiful person. That being said, how did it feel watching it back? Or maybe did you hear about it before watching it back, hearing Joe comment on your body, You know, Joe and I had a conversation off camera where we were just kind of talking in general about like dating and our types, I guess. And he did mention to me that he usually dates, he said it to me as more petite women. You know, when we date, obviously, typically our partners are attracted to us and we're attracted to our partners. So hearing that, I think I internalized it a little bit. I don't

know what his intention was with saying it. I think it was kind of an inside thought that was set out loud. But, you know, his words, his words did really carry weight. And I honestly, from that comment kind of developed an eating disorder moving forward. I'm healthy now, but it was something that I had never experienced before. I've always been very self-assured, very confident in my body. You know, I think there's insecurities like anybody, but with this experiment being already so emotionally heightened, that really threw me into an insecure. space. Watching it back and hearing his his actual interviews was very disheartening. It was really hurtful. You know, again, inside thoughts being said out loud that didn't need to be said. And it made

me really sad that instead of this being about our connection, it became about my appearance. And it opened the door for the rest of the world to comment further than they already will that comes with scrutiny out being on a show like this. Yeah, I think you said that perfectly because again, to your point everyone has a type you know but he does like joe just has this thing where it's just like i'm an honest guy i've i've been accused of saying things that maybe i didn't need to say but you would think i'm i've been shocked by joe's seemingly lack of self-awareness when you know the cameras are on where it's just like i guess i appreciate his honesty i mean the drama is is giving but did he display any of that kind of unnecessary honesty in the pods you know i i'm sad to

I didn't get to see more of our journey in the pods, you know, because I really wanted people to see who I fell in love with. I would say in the pods, there was no inside voice coming out. I would say it was, you know, very standard conversations. It was very, you know, in the pods, like I didn't fall in love with a monster, you know, and that's, that's something that I really want to make clear here. I know he's been getting a lot of hate. In the pods, he was honest in a way that felt very normal, right? I would say we're both pretty transparent and honest people. So there was nothing that kind of raised a red flag in the pods. Okay. Getting to Mexico, I think that first get together with everyone were to us, he was clearly very hammered. I think him and Jordan both were like well past their limit. And Nick and I kind of joked that in that sixth episode before we got to see the next batch

that we were Team Joe just because we were like, this is so obvious that he's hammered. It's like he wants to go take a nap, like just let him sleep it off, wake up, he'll be fine the next morning, and then you can have like a normal conversation about it. But then watching episode seven and watching the continuation of that night, we were like, oh, wait, no, sorry, like now we're Team Madison. It was very clear that once he woke up, it was like he acted sober. So I assumed that maybe he had sobered up a little bit. And it's like he had zero, like, room in his mind to hear you out. He had his opinion on what

happened and he was going to let you sit outside and continue to cry and make you feel crazy for your feelings. Did you ever have a conversation about that that wasn't filmed? You know, I really don't think we did. We kind of were peddled to the metal right after that. You know, it's like you're filming and then you're going back to Denver. So I don't, I don't recall an additional conversation, um, about that, uh, yeah. Well, speaking of just kind of going back to what Natalie said, um, from being in that moment, were you fully aware that he like was, first of all, was he shitfaced? I mean, I can't speak for him.

I, I don't, I wasn't counting his drinks, you know, so I don't know. So, like, when you were questioning him, you weren't, you weren't sure about it. Yeah, no, I honestly, when he went back, I just thought, like, okay, he needed a little nap. And what you don't see is that I was at the pool party for an additional probably four or five hours. So in my mind, I'm like, okay, he's had four or five hours to nap this off, you know. And so I was kind of given the option, hey, Madison, Joe is still sleeping. You guys are scheduled to film tonight. You can either go get your own room or go check on him.

I'm like, well, I would, and of course I want to go. check on him. You know, I know he had been drinking. We'd all been drinking. Clearly, he had to exit the party for that reason. So I wanted to go back and make sure he was okay. And then in my mind, I'm thinking, well, you've napped. I assume you're going to be okay, you know. And I totally understand when he woke up and was like, whoa, I get being disoriented. But it was more the way that it was so confusing. I was just like, whoa, wait a second. What is going on? Like, and then it kind of continued. And you see even into episode seven when he seems to be fine at that point. He's still kind of going in this roundabout type of communication asking me

like, why are you embarrassed? Like, why this? Why that? And it's like, I have been saying the same thing. Like, I am repeating myself ad nauseum at this point. What were you hoping that Joe would do in that moment? Well, I think to answer that I have to back it up a little bit because I was hoping at the pool party that, you know, it's our first time as a couple in a group setting. I was really hoping that he would show up a little bit more for me, maybe a little bit less for Jordan, but I was hoping that he would show up for me in a way that was consistent with the person that I loved in the pots. That's what I was mainly hoping. So I want to say then in the moment of when I woke him up, I was hoping that we'd have a conversation of how did you think a pool party went?

Like, it was great to see the other couples. You know, what do you think of so-and-so and so-and-so? Because, you know, it's our first time seeing the guys and for them seeing us girls. So I was just hoping to continue the night and continue to develop our relationship on a positive level. We obviously watched him and Jordan go back and forth a lot. And then we saw Jordan and Meg kind of go back to their room where she was clearly upset. And we watched how Jordan handled that. Was there any part of you watching it back that, I don't know, wished Joe would have handled it that way? You know, I think I wish that, I wish that Joe just would have had more self-awareness through through the whole experiment. And I think that translates into this situation too, where it's,

I wish that he would have just seen that from my perspective, we're here together. You're not showing up. You got drunk. And now I'm still trying to continue this in a calm way. But I'm having a boiling over moment. You know, it's a culmination. It's like I wasn't just upset about him waking up drunk like whatever that's that is what that is i can i can handle that i've dealt with drunk people whatever it was the culmination of the entire day that felt like this kind of bubbling up inside of me that was just so frustrating confusing and hurtful i'm absolutely obsessed with your phrasing of negative bitch um that was hilarious um if you want me to be a negative bitch i can be a negative bitch well to that point where it's just like i totally emphasize with you because like you you know you

we all know this is a crazy experiment you know And I don't know about Joe, but like, you know, what I love most about, I love a lot of things about my relationship with my wife. But like, I want a partner that when I'm anxious, when I'm panicking, I want her to let me know it's going to be okay. When it's the other, you know, when she's panicking, when she's anxious, I want to, I'm going to be like, we don't both need to be okay. Like, we don't need two people freaking out, be like, oh my God, I don't want this party. And like, it seemed like Joe, I mean, I guess the way I, I took it as Joe, once he, you know, once he got out of the pods and things got real,

like to your point, like at the pool party, you would think that every couple, every individual in a relationship would want to show up to that pool party and present as a couple, you know, like, this is my girl, this is my man, you know, like we are together and start like laying the groundwork of a team, right? And to your point, it seemed like specifically, Joe, a little bit of Jordan was like, I'm in this by myself and I'm just trying to like survive as an individual. And yeah, there was no checking in with you. There was no like holding hands, physical intimacy. And by physical intimacy, I mean just like that. Just like a hand around the shoulder or the waist or just like connecting with your partner. He was very much on Joe Island. Yeah. You know, I totally agree with that. I think in partnership, there's oftentimes bids for connection and you kind of see me having these bids of connection at the pool party and I go up to him I'm even I'm even trying to be silly like I'm like do I have tasteful underboob like you know just being silly having fun like reading the room and it just

felt like every bid for connection was ignored and I felt I just felt sad you know I was still very much an observation mode right like seeing how do we operate how do we move through the world together. How do you operate? How do you move through the world? But it is, it is hard. It is sad when your expectation doesn't meet the reality. I know you mentioned he's been getting a lot of hate. I did realize that he has a podcast. I don't know if this started before or after Love is blind, but where he was kind of like poking fun at the hate and comments that he's getting. How did that make you feel? You know, I think it was on brand for Oh, pretty typical.

Deflect, you know, not really address what the issue is. Yeah, I mean, he has a right to react however he wants to do this stuff. You know, it's very difficult for all of us. You also, I mean, if I remember correctly, maybe I'm wrong, but I think you did him a real good kindness by mentioning how good the sex was. Yeah, I thought I did too. Do you stand by what you said, or were you being really nice? Um,

I, you know, I don't think it was, yeah, sure, I stand by it. You know, I stand by it. It was, yeah. What are your thoughts and or opinions on Nick? Oh, you know, I really don't know Nick very much. I cut it off with him on day one in the pod, so I didn't get to know him on a personal level. I have heard things, right? But I don't know. I truly, I don't know him well enough to be able to have an opinion on him. what made you cut it off with him the first day um i just wasn't attracted to his voice i was like maybe there's something that was said i don't know yeah it's just because in episode nine i know joe kind of has that funny i thought it was funny where he was just kind of like yeah i'm just nick's not not the guy for me like i wouldn't be friends with him and then you kind of insinuated something i forget who you were talking to but you kind of said something else about maybe it was kate about how, like, people don't like Nick. Yeah.

Yeah, again, it's all what I've heard. Like, it's all things I had heard through the boys. I mean, the boys were the ones, you know, able to speak to that far more than we could. I guess outside of, you know, who dated Nick, but that's what I had heard. I had heard the general consensus was not a fan. What did you learn about yourself as an individual and as a dater through this experience? Oh, that's a really good question, Nick. I learned, oh man, I would say I learned to trust my instinct, to really lean into that when I'm having a feeling, lean into that, trust myself 100%.

I also learned a much better sense of self. I learned a better way to kind of lean into me and not allow other people's words to influence me or deviate me from my character. Yeah. I think, you know, overall, I really just learned to love myself. Like, I really say all the time, like, I found love in the pods in more ways than I could have expected. And one of those being falling in love with myself again. Question for the ladies, including you, Madison, everyone here. Like, are you, do you ladies like boxers on men? Like, the shorts. Boxers? Like, not the boxer briefs. Like, I think I prefer them. Wasn't Joe wearing boxers? Like, is he a boxer guy? I don't. feel like there's a lot of bunching you know they're like shorts I do like I love boxers I like I like a boy butt I've said it a number of times but that's what I'm saying but boxers don't accentuate the butt a little bit the boxer briefs are like the tight Calvin Klein ones that I think shorts yeah that's what I think the compression ones the like plaid shorts he was like yeah boxer is that what he wore normally because like in that scene where he was calling you

woman. I thought that was crazy though when he was like woman like okay. Yeah, I think he was actually storing his swim trunks. Yeah, I think I was about to say. Oh, those are swim trunks. Okay. He must be really hammered then. Are you surprised or not by Edmund's personality? I, you know, it's funny because when we were in the pods, like being in the lounge, we would hear Edmonds literally like yelling Calabria like from the other side. So I feel like I kind of had like, a taste of the Edmund, you know, like what he was very eccentric. I think I was a little bit surprised, you know, just at the pool party. Like there was a few moments that I was kind of like, oh, you're having very emotional reactions or, you know, you're very intense.

I think that's a good way to describe Edmund is very intense. Well, watching it back. A lot of energy. Nali and I have had a disagreement on this. I just think he is incredibly eccentric and emotional. but did you back to like was it episode at the ending of episode six i think a lot of people are divided by edmund's reaction obviously when we're talking about sex and things like that it's a heightened topic and i think people are just more keen on on reading reactions and what people are

saying but from your perspective um putting yourself in calibria's shoes how did you see uh how Edmund handled that situation. How did you read his tears? Some people found it manipulative. Other, you know, me, not so much, but I'm curious about your perspective. Well, I first want to say, I think KB handled that situation with such grace. I personally would have been very angry if somebody was pressuring me to have sex. As far as Edmund's reaction, you know, I think something that's important to know is, you know, he grew up in foster care. He speaks openly about that. And I think that when you have an upbringing like that, it lends itself to, you know,

developmental differences. And I think that he had to kind of learn through foster care. I get attention when I act out. I get love when I act a certain way. Of course, these are just my thoughts. I, you know, I haven't spoken to Edmund directly. So I think that what you're seeing is he's having an emotional reaction to something and maybe doesn't know exactly where to place that and how to appropriately communicate it.

Wow. When you're in the pods, because we saw, I think it was it Sparkle Megan, was it Ryan? Is that the guy she didn't pick? Mike. Mike. They asked each other what they're wearing in one scene. And if I'm in the pods, I would ask that every time. Because I just feel like someone's style, how they dress themselves, how they carry

themselves, like matters to me. like, did you ask questions like that? And what was some of the common questions that you asked the people you dated to try to like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm sure you're thinking of a lot of questions. Like, I can't ask this. I don't want to seem superficial. But how do I ask questions that give me insight into who they are?

Well, you know, I really, I wanted insight into the character. I wasn't so much focused on like, what are you wearing? What are you thinking? But we absolutely, Joe and I had many, many times like, oh, like, what are you wearing today? You know, and we'd kind of like giggle and laugh about it because he's like, like explaining his outfit. I'm like, that just sounds like such a man outfit. Like, I can't even, I can't even like comprehend what that looks like. So we did talk a lot about, you know, what we were wearing. We asked those questions. Questions that I asked personally, I asked a lot of times,

do you know your attachment style? That was something that I was very interested in because I am a little bit more of a disorganized attachment. So I do not do well with avoidant attachment. Was that? So I would definitely kind of ask questions like that. I don't know actually what his is. honestly, I don't think he had done the testing, so he wasn't sure what his was. Through my experience, I would actually say he might be more disorganized like me, where it's kind of a mix of avoidant anxious. I know Joe's getting a lot of heat and deservedly so. That being said, just for the sake of grace, what are some of the qualities that maybe people didn't get to see from Joe that you did, that, you know, explained why you fell for this man? Yeah. In the pods,

He was so adamant about choosing me. I mean, he was, like, so sure of me. And I think that's a really great quality is that he was so loyal. He was so, like, gung-ho, committed. I mean, literally, I was the one being like, no, I think you should still see out your other connections because I'm still seeing my other connections out, you know? Like, I literally went to Proposal Day with somebody else because I was still trying to see is this for, I wanted to be sure. He was so sure. And I think that was a really.

he's not even shown on the show so yeah and we're friends but you know he he had these moments kind of like these quiet moments where I felt like there was just really deep connection um and I don't know how to articulate that as a character trait but he kind of had there were moments that I felt grounded with him and so there were times I did feel a grounding energy um and you know he really was in general very reassuring, I would say. Um, in general, you know, I would be kind of on eggshells, but then I would feel reassured. So yeah, I mean, I think in the pods, I just really, he was so consistent. He was so consistent in the pods. And that was something that I was really looking for is somebody to kind of ground me, because I think that I can be a little bit more,

you know, I'm an emotional person. I feel everything. And so I can be a little bit back and forth on emotions and I felt like he was very grounding and very centered in the thoughts. Well, Madison, I really appreciate you taking the time. I know you have to get going. Do you have any like final thoughts before we let you go? We got to keep it short though because you do have to go. Okay. No, honestly, thank you so much for having me. Like I just want everybody to know that if you're your truest self, the true love will find you. Well, we really appreciate it. We've really enjoyed watching you. It's been a ton of fun. Best of luck the rest of the way. We're excited to see how things play out.

But just know that you have fans and us here at the Vile Files. Thank you, guys, so much for having me. All right. Take care, Madison. Bye. Bye. You know that moment when it's almost 6 p.m., the kids are hungry, and you're staring into the fridge holding half a snack pouch, two grapes, and zero dinner plan?

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I talk to a guy with a goose laugh, somebody who dresses up as a pirate on the weekends. I never know what's going to happen. It's a great show. Subscribe today, beautiful anonymous. All right, what do we all think of Madison? I loved her. Can I also say, did she kind of resemble Stasi Schroeder a little bit? Oh, yeah, a little bit.

I see it, yeah. I kept looking at her and I was like, I wonder if she ever gets that because she's really giving a Stossie Schroeder moment. Did she dye her hair? Is it darker? It's darker. Really not doing Joe any favors here. I'm just not.

That guy, I don't know. She doesn't have to do them any favors. No, I'm not saying she should. I'm just noticing. What if? If they're married, then God bless them. Yeah. Two souls that understand each other because I don't get it.

Some people just like the bait and switch of like, I hate you one second. I love you. Yeah. Toxicity breeds a little horniness. Drama. Everybody needs some drama, you know? I mean, Joe is, to me, he's just clearly panicking and he's just like, I think there was that scene where the rest of the guys and they're like, hey, we're three weeks out. And he was like three weeks.

I mean, Joe is an absolute spiral mode. He's finding anything he can to, like, start a fight. And he desperately wants Madison to break up with him, like the classic guy move, or it's just like, break up with me, don't make me the asshole. I just, he is, he is sabotaging the relationship for the sake of self-preservation. I think my thing with Joe is that obviously a lot of people go on the show with the thought that they could potentially get married. but Joe really doesn't seem like he has any intention of marriage

when you're going on a show where the plot is to do that. And so it's just a bit confusing. He's like, wait, wait, we get married at the end of this? Yeah, did he read his contract? What show did you sign up for? Yeah, because this is ending in marriage. Uh-huh. At least Allie is like, to me,

Ali is in it just for fame. my guess is she's already filmed a season of perfect match like she's playing the long game you know what I'm saying and like she's gonna like my prediction with Allie and what's his name Anton Anton Anton is she is going to be the coolest partner super chill everything is fine and at the very end she's going to say no I don't think she's in it for the fame I think really why she doesn't like that Anton's partying like she wants to be a stay at home person she's a nurse and nurses could

be in it for the fame. Don't get me wrong. But like, she seems sweet and wholesome. Like to me, I saw her and I was like, oh, this is a reminder that like hot, nice people exist. I don't know. Everyone on The Bachelor is a nurse. It was a weird conversation that she had with Anton about like, has anyone ever put makeup on you?

And he was like, no. And she was like, I'm going to put makeup on you. It was like, I mean, okay, I guess. But like, why? She's just weird. I don't think she's like I like in it for the fame. No, I like her too. But I mean... I want to be clear. When I say in it for the fame, that is not like me saying this is a bad person this is a TV show like we all like everyone

they're all in it for the fact yeah to some degree i just think alley's playing it a like she has the self-awareness like you know for me right like it's not like when i first went on the bachelorette i didn't like do it for the fame but i you know like there was like when i signed up for it there was like hey i'm on tv this is exciting this is cool there's an ego part of it like when i got into the bachelor world, I lost my mind and got sucked into that world where Allie has the self-awareness, I think, that she, like, she sees past the bubble. Like, she's never fully losing herself in this experiment. And she's, oh, I think in the back of her mind, she's like, perfect match, perfect match, perfect match. And she's going to do great on it. There was a, she's going to thrive.

And one of the teasers, there was like a clip of Anton, like, saying she doesn't, like, clean up after herself, too, which was interesting. I think he's more OCD and she's just a little messy. I love a messy queen, as one myself. Representation matters. Hey, it really does. Yeah, there's a huge difference between like leaving food out and being filthy and just like, close every mess.

A mess. You take off your clothes, like your bathroom floor being full of like sweatpants and sweaters and you'll get to it eventually. Yeah. Dirty and messy are two different things. Yeah, I'm not dirty. I'm messy. Well, do you all think Todd Napolia is dirty or messy? both diva

He's not dirty He's just messy I don't know I think he's kind of I think a lawsuit implies dirty That's pretty A $10 million dollar lawsuit

Yeah For what? Defamation Where I'm like Can you sue the entire network By the way We've transitioned to housewives For anyone

Are we not gonna talk About Nick and Annie? Oh my god wait No Nobody else was confused Their argument Oh yeah that was That was bonkers

I watched it twice I was like what is going on No I kept rewinding Because I was like Why is she so upset. I, like, really couldn't figure it out. And then what got me is when she, like, I don't fucking need you. I don't need you. I don't need you. I don't need you. I guess. I'll just leave. And he kept being like, I hear you. I hear you. Like, he has way more patience

than I would. This is a PSA for all new couples. Do not have serious conversations when someone is wasted. That girl was literally drunk. That she wasn't having the same conversation he was. she kept coming, jumping back in, being like, I don't need you or like coming in with a completely different thing. I was like, that girl is not coherent to what's going on. I would have been here. It's not sounding the way you meant it to sound because it's coming across is like way harsh. It's like I mean, I want you. I mean, we're arguing semantics, but like I want Natalie to want and need me.

Like I don't want it to be like, you know what? Honestly, I could do without you. There's a way to say that to where I'm like, I understand her trying to empower herself of being like, I don't need you in my life. I'm choosing to have you in my life because you add to it because you benefit because I benefit from having you around. I saw the vision. I see what she's trying to say, but that's where I was like even when she was repeating things back, I was like, that's not what was said.

So that's how I know you're not in your right mind. I will say, though. She absolutely did not stick the landing. No. And it was one of those moments where I was like, how did we get here? Because the whole argument was about like how she felt like he, she was more into him than he was into her. And then she was like, I don't need you.

And he's like, what? I was like trying to hold her hand and she's like brushing him away and then he's like, I've been trying and you keep pushing me away. She's like, well, then come here. Yeah. Honestly, I just think she's overheating with that much hair on her head. No, don't do her. It's just I can't. I'm all for an extension, you know, pop off queens. But like that is just so much hair on that, on that tiny person. You guys, I support however they want to communicate. You know, love is love when it comes to the two of them. I see what you did there. I will say in Annie's defense. I get irritated when like I feel an issue and someone's talking to me overly peaceful. So when Nick was like, just go to bed. It's okay. Just go to bed. I would have been irritated too. I mean, I hate the saying tomorrow's a new day.

I'm still going to be pissed. I'll wake up with hate in my heart. I don't care. There's nothing that irks me more than somebody feeling comfortable to just go to bed in the middle of an argument where I'm just like, are you fucking kidding me? And you know, it's probably like 2.3 a.m. So he's like, it's already a new day. let's just move on and get past it although nally and i have learned in therapy that like and it's such a it's such a fine line because like we all grow up with this idea of like don't go

bed don't go to bed angry and things like that but like that also doesn't mean you need to finish a fight and finish an argument and like we've had to learn how to in our few very selective very once-in-a-while fights yes um and it's always natalie and it really pisses me off and she's right too because she's like we're not we're finishing this later and I'm like like like no matter what we'll we can be pissed but like we'll get in the bed and be like by the way still love you we can talk about it tomorrow but I do love you so and then that's like it and then you go to bed and then you wake up and you go about your day and then maybe around like I don't know four or five p.m. the next day you're like hey let's chit chat about what happened yesterday circling

back you guys something like that it usually works but speaking of messy and dirty no Todd Napola Oh my God Didn't he name Audraada Damora Yeah He already crashed out on a live stream Give us context

We're a little all of the place Someone We already know that Todd crashed out On a live stream like a month ago Being like I only agreed to participate this Because they said they were going to tell the truth And then I saw the first three episodes

And it's them lying about me And he's specifically referencing like the housewives Like her castmates Like forcing her to paint him And like this negative light And then that live stream And he was like, I'm not broke. I own a shopping center.

Like, he owns real estate. Yeah. I can assure you without ever seeing a Bravo contract, the contract doesn't say, we'll make sure that we show you in the light that you want. Yeah. Right. And he was saying something, if I remember correctly in the live stream, that like Bravo also promised him or the producers promised him that it would be like a good lie, which I don't

think they would do that. He still signed a contract that says, we can do it over the fuck we want. With your likeness and with your consent. So that's why I'm so confused. And I'm like, and you chose of all. types of people to marry a housewife. Yeah. He also named Adriana Damora for alleging multiple times that she had heard that they were

having some money trouble. So this is, this is in the lawsuit, but to like wrap up the live stream part, remember he said that the reason they divorced was because of housewives. So that was the whole conversation that he was like, you guys are the reason that I divorced Alexia because I had to divorce her to protect my peace. And like now in this lawsuit, he's suing Bravo for defamation. And Adriana Damora, like Mary said she was one of the first. to, she just openly spoke on the show about how she heard that she also said she was directly

from Todd. That would be like John Barlow suing Bravo. But that's what I'm saying. You fought so hard to get yourself, what does Miami have, a martini or a cocktail. And yet now that you're being talked about, you don't like the way that you're being talked about so you want to sue. It's like there's no way that Bravo doesn't have something in their contract to to protect against this because like anybody could say that. You know that you're going to get edited. You know that there's hours of filming that we don't get to see the full context. So you shouldn't be signing up for this, let alone marrying a housewife. If you want to sue that. He does allege that he didn't sign a contract for specific moments in season six and seven. So I think he's... I don't think it

works like that. Yeah. That definitely didn't happen. It's not a pay-by-day. For only this next hour of filming and nothing further. And you're talking about Bravo, where there's been such more insidious shit that has happened in past seasons years and years ago that Bravo, by now, in the board's year 2025, knows how to protect themselves from this. I'm still really, really rooting for a Judge Judy type show of Bravo lawsuits. Like, I want it so bad. I want it so bad. This is just, yeah, to Sierra's point, this is a lawsuit that, like, is the bottom of the barrel out of all the lawsuits that have existed.

Like, this one's like, okay. If you did not watch the Real Housewives of Miami Reunion Part 1, or you did, and you don't remember what happened here is your rapid recap. It's reunion time. Andy speaks a little Spanish. Dale. Oh, said like pit bull, Dalle. That's a little Italian.

I don't know. I'll work on it. Larsa's dating another NBA player in nature is healing. Alexia and Todd are no contact for sure. But she does admit the narcissist party was in fact about Todd. Gertie doesn't accept anyone's apology,

R.E. Julia, throwing water and overall being a demon. She also doesn't think she took it to social media. However, the microscopic dots on her Instagram stories may disagree divalina. Gertie also addresses the literacy crisis in America claiming her text receipts did prove her case, the girls just don't read.

Stephanie Sojay, serving the riddler sheik is proud of being filthy rich, but does want to work on her tone. Adriana feels like there is a dagger in her heart because she's not Julia's kid's godmother. Why does she care so much? Maybe it's because Julia is friends with Alexia and Marisol now, or maybe it's because Julia and Adriana slept together in the Hamptons. Overall, who topped if God is good? We'll find out in part two of the reunion.

What a very casual way of saying, I cheated on my wife? Right? Yeah. Right? She's like, oh, we were just going through something. I'm like, I guess. Do we think she gave Adriana the heads up that she was going to bring that up? Absolutely not.

No. Do you think she didn't pick her as her godmother because she thought she was bad in bed? Or because she had an, a trist? I think what they alluded to is that Adriana, the flashbacks, Ardriana was alluding to, well, you don't want me to say something. You don't want me. It's going to be dark if I say it. And I think Julia was like, well, I'm going to just say it for you. And listen, I hate to come for Julia, but, like, I do feel like this is Julia's Hail Mary pass.

It is. Please keep me on for next season. But also, we don't know that it was cheating. I mean, it could have been open. That's why I think she was intentionally. No, no, no. In the preview for the next one, she said that someone asked if they were open and she said, no, they were going through a tough time in their marriage. Yeah.

Well, there you go. I tried Julia. I mean, that's quite the Hail Mary. I mean, that's completed. It's kind of giving Sheena sorry, but like throwing your, like, marriage under the bus to be like, well, maybe I'll get to stay on a show. show like that's crazy i hope like martina's heard about this before and is she okay with that being exposed to the world she had to probably tweet about it uh using football references calling an audible here can we just like circle back to the drama that's going on between um la la and uh

sheena like what's going on there they are going back in forth but not i don't know i haven't seen sheena's latest uh retort back but lala responded about uh shina's saying that lala through a tantrum or something in front of her kid while they were on the phone or something and cussed her out. Do you know this is all performative and like be on TV? 100%. Okay. So the whole thing is that people are saying, remember the whole Tamara said that Sheena had said her biggest dream is to be on the Orange County Housewives?

A lot of people think that this is coming back and forth because Sheena's bitter about Lala being consistently on the valley. And Sheena not booking that, I guess, or not filming for that. But at the end of the day, it is really hard to tell because. because, I mean, they share pretty much a wall in Palm Springs. They have houses right next to each other. Their kids go to school together. So I'm, like, throwing these, like, hits at each other back and forth.

I'm like, who is this helping or hurting? It's just like, yeah, because it's like, if you're really fighting, do you really fully take it online constantly? I think it was just. Especially someone who they consider to be that close of friends. Yeah. I mean, she called Sheena's podcast fucking insufferable. Like, I'm like, you know what I mean?

Just like, it's like, you're going for each other's work. You're saying these things about stories about being a bad parent in front of children. Like I'm like, these are also hits that you don't really come back from. And neither one of you are on a show together that this serves. I think it's orchestrated. Right. So I'm like, orchestrated for what? I think they, I have a theory and no evidence to this, just my own theory that since they were best friends two seconds ago that they were like, okay, let's just go for it.

And like the next season's off limits or like we can rehash after, but like, let's just make it something. But like, I would understand that if they were on VPR together, but it's like. I mean, they're going to, it's valid. drama and like sheena's being teased with Alex Baskin for OC for probably an appearance but I think it's just like they know that it's going to serve them in the long run to stay relevant I mean let's be real like they're professional TV reality TV stars that are out of work yeah and all they know is this is like you know this is like you know create conflict but la la is not out of work you know it's just like they don't want to consider a career change right but like lalla's on a show right now so she could

choose not to respond to Sheena at all. She was technically, she's on it too technically. No, she didn't film, I guess, for the season. She just, didn't we see her for scenes, but she just hasn't been in most of them. Well, she wasn't on the trip is what I saw. You're talking about last season or this season? This season. I thought they both were kind of.

It's Schwartz and Lala filming with the cast. Sheena was rumored to have after her book came out, but... Sheena's going to see Valley Season 4. Put Shina on Miami. Have her hook up with Julian next. They'll both do it. I'm honestly shocked that the girls, like, defended going back to Miami, the girls defended not having Gertie's back with the throwing water. It's like, how do you... It's just weird that they're all like, well, you didn't stand up for me two years ago. And it's like, but I bet you would have liked it if somebody did.

Yeah. Like, I don't under... Like, why are we justifying throwing things at each other? Maybe y'all just stopped doing that because you're grown-ass women? I just like, it's really, I just can't with Julia. There's just... I just... And, you know, this is coming from me. Usually if I see two housewives hooked up, I'm like, this is for me. Hell, yeah, this is what I want on TV. But I'm watching this and I'm like, okay, Julia, like, how are you, like, gay, evil and boring? That was crazy. That was crazy.

I think I kind of like her. She's hot, but also the season. She is hot. I'm not saying she's not hot. Julia's definitely hot. Julia's hot. But anyways, Lars is dating another NBA player, which I find... Beautiful.

Yeah, she's going to be bad. And, of course, he's backstage watching. So random. What was she saying about, like, her feet photos or something? She was just, like, the way that she affords... At least pick a different sport. She's got a type. Okay.

Well, no, because Marcus didn't even play basketball, did he? I don't know. I think he was just the son of a famous NBA player. He was the son of Michael Jordan. Thank you. Yeah, she... And you were going to date the son of. It might as well be the greatest basketball player to ever play the game.

And it might as well be the son. the son of your ex-husband's former teammate that you absolutely allegedly did not call the paparazzi on yeah well we also have dipped our toes into potomac and i'm in boy are we happy we did it's awesome i love potomac so she did hire an actor to play her partner maybe we have a rapid recap if you'd want me to yeah we're starting off strong with some dramatic karen huger sentencing footage Giselle and Ashley Darby hope she can stay in AARP section of jail. Thomas Jefferson's concubine is mentioned. Stacey is claiming she didn't pay T.J.

to be her love interest last season and says he is remorseful. T.J. and the girls disagree. T.J. is suing her. Stacey can't be friends with women who don't support other women and storms off. She's also back with her ex-husband Timo. Kay and Greg broke up, then went to Jamaica and got back together. Her mom isn't pleased. Dr. Wendy and Eddie are slaying life, but her kids don't think she's a real doctor.

Ashley Darby is now officially divorced. Remember the photo shoot? We sure do. she also is trying to figure out if T.J. is suing Stacey, who says that the truth is that she's forgiven him. Stacey's divorce is also not in the Virginia database, and her breath is allegedly bad. So no one knows what's going on with her. We've also got two new friends, Angel, who loves macha and hiking and mindfulness, and Tia, who is a British Nigerian princess. Kay is mad at Dr. Wendy because she didn't say hi to her at an event. Stacey calls Ashley the devil because she wants

to see her divorce papers. Overall, Potomac rocks. Very excited to see what happens next. It was strange that Kay had like such an issue with like that whole disagreement with Wendy I was so I'm like so yeah you wanted her to wave at you while she's speaking on stage she's like well a friend would have given you a friendly nod I mean it definitely seems like and this is the first season of Potomac I've watched so I don't know like the Lord like what if there's anything previously between Kay and Wendy but it definitely just seems like Kay feels very invalidated by Wendy and is just like projecting. Daisy's, her ability to lie is shocking.

Is she lying though? Not in her mind. No, because yeah, it's just like I, I just don't need to talk about it. I don't, I've forgiven him. I don't need to talk about imaginary people. I wonder who it was. She's like, she's not imaginary and her name is, and then they bleeped it. It's very reminiscent to me of when Brooks lied about cancer and how Vicky reacted to it

in Orange County, but it was just very like, you know you've done something wrong. wrong. So, of course, instead of wanting to defend yourself, you're kind of like, listen, why don't we just let bygones be bygones? But if somebody else did this, you would not let it go. Also, it's not confirmed just that that she lied. Like, we're still going to unfold it. But also, why isn't her divorce in the database? I mean, because she's with the guy again. I know, but she said that her divorce was finalized. So just because they're like back having dinners together doesn't mean they remove it from this house. Stacey's not the lawyer. Maybe she thought it was finalized and they pulled it at the right time. And I love that Stacey was trying to make it seem as if Ashley did these gymnastics to get these results to find out that her, she's not in the database where it's just like it's a really easy search. Anybody has the 10 minutes to do this. Yeah. Speaking of just for context, like them bleeping that name, that is a person, the person whose name they bleep who didn't sign a Bravo contract. Yeah. And so you know what I'm saying?

Like when we watch this shit and people complain, Bravo knowing they're an easy target target for a frivolous lawsuit, like that's how careful they are. They don't fuck around to find out. So, like, when these people, like, claim this crazy shit and then sue, like, it's just a bunch of egomaniacs who just didn't like their edit. Same with O.C., the guy that allegedly... Oh, from the band. The singer guy that Tamara allegedly slept with it. Yeah.

I don't know. I really, I'm coming out as a Ashley Darby super fan. Yeah, same. Love her. So, Ashley Darby being referred to as a Duchess, coming down the stairs where she could barely come down the stairs because her dress was so big. Yeah.

For her second bloom. Thank you. That's like, was the second blossom? Second blue. I've never heard of this. I haven't either. I hear it. Maybe this is crazy.

I understood her completely. I was like, no, I get what you're doing. This is you're finally divorced. You're so happy about it. It took 10 years. And now this is your second coming. What's, what she's, what is she famous for other than housewives? I feel like I've, I know where I've seen her.

I've only seen one episode, but she walks and carries herself like she is the number one guy, so to speak. She is. Like, she's the queen of this cast. Her ex is Jamal Harrison Bryant, so it is a pasture, right? Or a pasture? Oh, my God. I didn't realize my dad was a pasture. Who called somebody a pasture? What? I have no clue. Justin. But to go on. Oh, no, Tamara did did it season, season to go in Orange County and I was watching it. Oh, well, picking up on Giselle, I know Justin will agree with me. If you want some great Giselle content, you need to watch Ultimate Girls' Trip season three in Thailand. Yeah. Like, you're, missing out on the Candace of it all.

Yeah. She was good TV. I know they wanted her back. I know Monique's coming back, which is crazy because Candace isn't back this season. Also, in that season, you get Giselle interacting with Heather and Whitney from Salt Lake City, which is pretty great. Well, speaking of Whitney, she's dancing on a pole. She's back. Do you want to get a poll in the house, babe?

You know, I don't know if it fits my, like, decor style. Definitely, well, you know. If you have no idea what we're talking about, here's your rapid recap for the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Angie says Lisa does french fries. She does franchises. She also says, Fresh Wolf belongs at Walmart. Heather goes into peacemaker mode and gets Lisa to apologize to everyone but Whitney. Mary thinks tequila tastes like to hospital because all smells have a taste. Whitney is no longer a CEO, so she's ready to get back on her pole diva. Bronwyn and Lisa sit down and hash things out. Lisa clarify she does not think Bronwyn is a whore. And that, my darlings,

is what we call growth. Mary pulled a vial files and got a whole new setup for her church. finally get to see lunatic fringe. Angie is stepping back behind the chair to give Heather a perm. Amazing. No notes. Oh, also Lisa's assistant came in and picked up the Fresh Wolf product and Lisa called her Salon Dusty via text message. Brittany is trying to be friends with Whitney. Also, she's back with Jared again. Brittany also can't conceptualize taking a break from dating for her daughter's sake. Whitney is really trying with this girl. Bronwyn's mom has a lot of opinions about her parenting style. That whole situation, yikesies. Meredith and Angie are no Laverne and Shirley, but they're trying. Angie also wants Meredith to know that Lisa is not the

Laverne to her, surely, but begs the question, what if Meredith wants to be Laverne? Then, it's revealed that Lisa encouraged Angie to dig up dirt on Meredith's family to use as ammo last year. Meredith isn't sure she believes this, but she is sure going to find out. Overall, will we get Mary's dream scenario,

which is Meredith Angie team up on Lisa? A girl can hope. I really felt for Browen in this episode. I mean, like, there are good parents and there are bad parents. And I know all parents wants to think they're good parents. But, like, when your child goes through some traumatic experience and certainly getting pregnant in a young age, not knowing what you can do, and a lot of parents do this, when

parents make it about how they look to their friends and their community, Browen carrying this kind of trauma with her mom, I really felt for her. And the fact that her mom, like, still speaks from that point of view. While she's taking care of her. Yeah. It's just, ugh. To throw out, like, she would have gone to foster. care? Yeah. No, I was like, that was dark. That was really dark. As if there was like a possibility or something or that like Bronwyn wasn't capable if she didn't help, but heaven forbid. It just really gives me a lot of empathy for Bronwyn. I think some of the like issues I've had with her is how she really just does seem to kind of like talk a bit out of both sides of her mouth to like really want people to like her. And she's been open about really needing people to like her. And watching this interaction with her mom just gives me like,

a lot like my heart hurts for her in that way of like I understand her like why she can't let Lisa go and like we're like oh my god she's just really she needs that approval from people and anyway I just really hope that she can like get over that and realize I feel bad for Gwen I know like she clearly is still in a place where she just like how can you sit there as a grandmother to this now like 18 year old who you are living with and still come from this point of view and not be like You know, I am so grateful. I love her so much. Like, I'm so glad we did what we did back then or you did what you, like, the fact that

she's still like, that was incredibly hard for me and for your father who has, like, okay, I feel like we can move past that. This is a whole ass person with a beautiful life. I just, I wish more young mothers were, were supported, you know, to make whatever decision they want to make for themselves. And I just think for all the conversations around young mothers, it's, yeah, I think, They should be supported. They should be whatever they want to do, they should do.

But they should also not be scared into making various decisions. Especially by like your own mom. Like to not have your mom be like, you know what? I'm disappointed that this is what happened. But like now you have a baby and this is real. And like let's like let's get our shit together. 20 years later, she's still slut shaming her daughter. That's crazy.

They're not buying her pregnant daughter clothes, but buying those sisters. Oh, that was like. That was, like, really just, like, made my stomach. Telling the attendant that. Like, that's, that's, you want to hurt her. For Browen to take care of her mother the way she is, saint. Yeah. Yeah.

Hero. Oh, same for sure. Like, good fucking person. Like, most, a lot of people wouldn't. Like, there's so many people out there that, rightfully so, like, hang on to so much anger from their parents. And Browen's ability to forgive and still take care of her mom is a, she's a good fucking person. Do we think Heather left?

the salon with only four strands into a perm or... Yes, let's please talk about that. It was a water perm. It wasn't a real perm. What's the difference? I just also really, really loved Angie being like,

yeah, I don't really have my license anymore. Let's test it back on Heather. And like, Heather came in and her hair looked great. So I'm like, if I'm Heather, I'm like, bitch, don't do this to me today. Like, my hair actually looks good. Like, wait till it's greasy. But this is where I give producer Heather Day credit

because she was like, no, this is great content. Like, of course I'm going to do it. Putting those little grainy rollers on her. And Lisa, what the fuck, Lisa? I thought we were good. Yeah. No, you're never good with Lisa. You're never good with Lisa.

And I love her, but. Like, was it, was it bad for Angie to, like, maybe go for Lisa's kids products? That was random. Something had to be cut out of that conversation. Yeah. Because why did she bring up the product out of nowhere? Because Caristos was brought up. Caristos, yeah.

Well, you know, because Angie's supporting this product in her store, and Lisa just like punted on it. Yeah, so then Andy's going to hit back. She's like, you know, like my son's product isn't good. Whatever, we're moving on. He's like, I'm going to partner with Carostost and not my son's brand. But also, let's not pretend it's like actually her son's brand. It's her brand that like is like, you know.

It's even worse. Does she market it at all? She did yesterday last night when the episode dropped. Yeah. The first I heard of it. All we know that it is, according to Angie, it should be in Walmart. I mean, to be fair, if I'm leaving. Lisa, I would have done the exact same thing

of being like, oh, I'm just going to take the product if you think it's like sea line and you talk shit on it. But then I wouldn't have gone as far as Lisa did to then be like, well, you're using someone else's credit card to go on vacations. It's like, wait a second. I thought you were the one using someone else's credit card.

Now, Angie's using someone else's credit card. You know what it is giving, not to quote my queen, but her being like, well, I heard that Brandy slept with someone else in this group. And everybody being like, okay, girl. You're just saying the same thing that we accused you of. That's what I'm saying. Literally.

Angie goes deep and that's the thing. She doesn't need to, like, she didn't need to bring the sun into it. But it's because Lisa was sitting here exactly what Heather said, counting her change being like, you don't own this amount. And I was like, why is this an argument that these housewives do where they're like trying to pull inventory on their castmates being like, you actually own 1.7% not too. That was crazy. Who gives a shit? Is that public information? Yeah.

I love her so much. Greek mafia forever. Mary, uh, with a father who is a pastor. yes a does he refer to it as his church and b does he have a portrait of him next to jesus okay so funny story yes to the second one um first your first question no um he if anything he would maybe like consider himself more like a leader of a parish or like a congregation but it is like the congregation's church right as far as the photo goes in no churches that he has ever been pastor of did he have a photo put up of him by choice. However, if you are ever in Sarasota, Florida, and you go to St. Armand's Circle

and you are at St. Armands Key Lutheran Church, there is a very, very funny painting that is of my dad up in that church that he hates more than anything in the world. Can we get a photograph of said picture? I, yes. I can find it. Is he like rising with Jesus? No, no, no, no, no. Basically, what happened is like every time a pastor would leave. leave um they would like make this they would commission this painting of a pastor and they like have all the former pastors of the church in there and my dad like did not want it they did it anyway but what is he doing what's the same it's just a portrait of him like in his robe like the president but the thing is like my he's not with jesus no he's not with jesus jesus is not present in the photo just in

spirit um and he just looks very jolly in it they gave him like really rosy cheeks and like my dad and I have the same, like, the same, like, face. So, like, it's just really funny. And then for Christmas last year, my sister-in-law Madison made us all T-shirts, like, with that photo and a Santa hat on it. I knew it. And he really, really hates it,

and he's going to be really, really mad that I talked about it in such great detail right now. But I think it's the funniest thing in the world. Nick, I have a question about the Catholic churches that you and two growing up. Was there always, like, a really overly scary sculpture of Jesus? I mean, there's, you know, him dying on the cross, if I don't, but I don't really consider that scary. Okay, because some of ours were like overly like, okay, that blood looks real, like he's crying, tears of blood, yeah.

I was like, I don't know about that. No, we didn't have any of that. Catholics get really goth. Am I understanding Mary's family drama correctly when that she doesn't get along with her mom because her mom wanted to marry her step-grandfather and Mary got to? I don't think it's a stepfather. I think the mom wanted to take over the church. The church. And Mary's grandmother who ran the church put in her, like, dying testament or whatever that she wanted her to marry Robert Sr., which she did, and run the church.

So, like, that was the grandma's dying wish. I think we're getting more details as the seasons go on because, like, earlier seasons, I think you kind of just know, like, you know the basics of the grandma promised the marriage of one of her granddaughters to her husband, who's a stepfather. It's like, when you say it like that, it just sounds nice. But then also now we learn the lore that marriage. that her mom got arrested at the church at some point. Did I catch that correct? I don't know if it was arrested, but like definitely escorted out. Yeah.

When they were saying in the original story, she would say that none of her other siblings wanted to take that up. So then she took it up. But like this episode, we get the context of like the mom wanted to take over the church. And then she specifically anointed Mary and Mary wasn't a part of the church. Like, I don't think we knew that Mary ran away from the church. No. That's no. Yeah.

But, well, it didn't, she didn't say that she came back to the church to. like take over. I think she at some point had left when she was younger and wasn't going to church. And then they were like, oh, you should come back. And she was like, okay, she came back potentially. What I'm guessing is down the line from that after she came back, got more involved again is when this happened. And they like saw it. I think we're going to find out more because I think she intentionally probably kept it vague. And like now she's choosing to talk about it. Well, because her mom's recently passed. I think that that was kind of the like reason that she feels like that is close.

And Robert Sr. also doesn't like Bravo. Yeah. Yeah, he won't be able. So what's the socialite's name again? Amy. Amy. Amy. Amy the Utah socialite.

If she's trying out, she's not doing a good job. But even I enjoy her, her presence. I think just Amy the Utah socialite, because she's not being given friend of. They just like flash to her face. That's what is she adding? She had more lines than Maley from last season. So exactly. Exactly.

Do we think that Meredith and Angie? will become friends. I really, really want them too. I don't know. I kind of hated that Angie did that. I kind of, that's what I was going to say. I wish that, like, Angie didn't sit down, like, ready to be like, let's drive the wedge between the two people that could be stronger. It was so obvious. I don't think she lied, though.

I think, I don't think she lied either. Lisa's hot mic moment. I think we know that Lisa wants other people to dig up alleged stories of Meredith. We'll go the distance. She will go the distance. I just, you know, obviously, I want the best for my girl, my number one, Meredith Marks.

I just, I, I love Angie so much and I really, I really just want to Meredith Angie ally ship. I saw in the teaser for the next episode, Angie says, like, yells at Mary. I know. I saw that. I hated that. I don't want, I really don't want an Angie got to name of his villain edit this season because then I'll have to support the villain.

I mean, yeah, I stand by Angie. I think Angie's mad at us because we had Monica on. I think a lot of them are mad at us about Monica, but. But guys, we love you. It's a show we want, we want all takes. So why don't you come on here and tell us, Monica is wrong. We'll win them over. We'd love to hear your point of view.

Come hang out with us, please. All right, I think that I'll do it for this episode. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you to our guest, Madison from Love is Blind. Be sure to check out the reality recap episode from Tuesday so that you can hear that he said, she said between Patrick and Casey. Next week, we get another jam-packed episode. We'll have more Love is Blind guest, as well as Robert Irwin from Dancing with the Stars.

He joins us for going deeper along with his partner Whitney. that and more next week. Plus, don't forget a special Ask Nick episode with heartthrob Dylan Efron. He helps us answer some of those relationship questions and we deep dive into some meaningful relationship discussions. That is all next week. Don't forget to vote for yours truly for sexiest man in podcasting, apparently. You're almost going to say alive? I was. Yeah, it's a dream of mine. Listen, I'm further than I have ever gotten. And by the way, congratulations to Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang for winning the category. You guys are hot. Anyway. We'll see you next time.

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