The Viall Files - E1019 - Allison Williams Geeks Out On Reality TV, Love Is Blind, RHOM, RHOC & Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

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for you to have a great week. Allison Williams is here later this episode to promote her new movie regretting you, another Colleen Hoover banger. I feel like Colleen Hoover is the Nicholas Sparks of our generation. Yes. That's so real. The John Green, if you will.

No, the Nicholas Sparks. Okay. Who's John Green? Who's John Green? Baltimore Stars. Paper Towns. I think I miss. That era. Nicholas Sparks. Well, Allison Williams is obviously famously known for her appearance and girls. Megan.

On HBO, the Megan movies. Huge Megan guy right here. Yeah. Huge girls fan here. Yeah. She's also a bit of a reality TV fan. I met Allison Williams when I was first, like, a month into L.A., at like a bachelor reviewing party.

It was Ben Higgins season. Oh, nice. Anyway, she's watching some reality TV. So I'm sure we'll talk about that with her as well. When I'm, you know, Salt Lake, I know she's into Salt Lake City. You don't know. Maybe she's also into Love is Blind. We'll find out when she's here.

Oh, my God. It's always so exciting to find out. We also have an amazing going deeper episode lined up for you. Brooks Goldfield is with us this Wednesday for a definitely deep dive into her life. She has an interesting past and we were looking forward to talking to her, famously from the canceled podcast with Tanamojo. Which is canceled. They canceled it. They canceled, canceled.

They have a very interesting relationship with the internet. So it's a very fascinating discussion with Brooke. And she is with us tomorrow for going deeper. You will not want to miss. What did you guys do this weekend? Oh, my gosh, Mary. We put up our Christmas tree, of course. Oh, you're early.

Early. Yeah, well, some could say, or some could say right on time. Right on time. Thank you. Yes. We do a bit of traveling. We're busy bees. And you don't like Halloween?

Are you skipping Halloween decor? No, what, no, I've had Halloween decor up. We won't be here for Halloween. Okay. We've had Halloween decor up until now. So we've had some Jacko Lanterns and some skeletons, you know, all the cutsy little things. Ghosts and River.

I got her the most boring costume on the Amazon. It's a cat, but I did ask her. I said, what is this? And I showed it to her and she said, meow, meow. So at least she knows what it is. Perfect. She's in character. she can tell me what she wants because I'm exhausted.

What are you guys going to be? I'm going as... Oh, Nick, it sounds like you might be going at something. Nick's going as the scratch post. Incredible, incredible. And I'm going as the hot owner of the cat in the scratch pole. That's perfect. That's perfect.

I want to be the hot owner. Sorry, you can't. You're tall and you're a scratch post. There was a comment saying that one of you guys should dress up as a litter box. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Perfect Well, I get shit on all the time

I feel like Thanksgiving is the appropriate time to start putting Christmas decorations In my opinion Yes, usually we do wait Until November 1st To put up our Christmas tree

But like Nick said We're busy bees And we're like oh the next time That we're home we want We don't want to like put up our Christmas tree Then we just want to walk in And be like Christmas We also just like needed to feel something this weekend

Now I've become like me. We're so busy every day. But then we have like a Saturday, nothing to do. That's awesome. Well, that's what I would think. But it'll be like 10.30. And I was like, what should we do today? What do you want to do? Where should we go? Where should we shop? What should we do? What should we do? We should we do? We should we have lunch? Where should we go? Should we explore? Do you feel like you get anxious if you're like, because you're so busy? And then when you're suddenly not busy, you're like, oh my gosh like this feels wrong yeah that's how I feel it's like I'm constantly overloaded and then the second I get a break I'm like oh god like I'm such a loser like what is what am I

doing with my life I'm like or I should be like organizing and cleaning out every drawer like I should just be doing something and and then it's like I also feel that way when river naps because I'm like we've moved on to one nap a day and I feel like I have two hours where it's like I can get stuff done everything done but then all those two hours I'm like oh my god it would feel nice to just sit I think you should just sit And then I sit for like 30 minutes And I'm like oh my gosh, she's about to wake up

And I have so much to do I just can't relate I can't relate either Any day that I get that I can lay in bed all day And watch my shows We'll be doing that Phone is on do not disturb Do not talk to me

Don't want to hear from you Bed rot days are good for your mental health As long as they're not all the time What's the aesthetic of the tree this year? You know I order Same as it every year. Christmas. Is it like a different color lights or is it white lights?

No. It takes. No, I didn't tell Nick this. Oh. Breaking news. I hired a company to look like the outside of our house with Christmas lights. Oh, yes, I did. Yes, I did because you.

Yes, I did. You won't do it. You. Because I was like, you know what? We need the Christmas spirit outside of our house. And Nick's just too lazy to do it. I agree, though. He doesn't feel like climbing up on the roof.

Christmas lights is a hazard because that's one where you fall off and break a neck. So hire someone to do that. How much does that cost? Don't worry about it. I mean, that's a good business model. Putting up someone's Christmas lights? Hiring someone to do your Christmas decorations. I do think an even better way for that to go would be you put up someone's Christmas lights

and then you also ask your like 10-year-old, like can you wrap these cords and just make them stand out there so they still get that experience. The experience. Because that was very, that was very building for me as a child. We never did the outside of our house for Christmas. And I think it was probably because my mom was a single mom. And she was like, I don't, you know, I can't climb up that house. Sorry, kids. Like what, what do you, is there like a menu of options, like tasteful, elegant or like,

yeah, you can do like colored lights. Yeah, you can do colored or just white lights. And we went white. There won't be like a giant candy cane in our front lawn. Will that be? No, no, no, no. Just the light. I'm sure blow-up cartoons.

Are we going to go Christian? Are we going to go... Oh, good point. Are we going to go... The nativity scene? Or winter wonderland. Yeah, are we going to go like, what's... Baby Jesus holding a menorah.

Old Saint Nick. Wish people winter wishes. Happy holidays or Merry Christmas. I used to work for a company that one season it was winter wishes. I'm like, we can't even say it's a holiday now. We're just celebrating fucking cold. Winter wishes. Snowy dreams.

Snowy dreams You know what we get to do this year though Tell me Elf on the shelf Oh cute You better I'm one of those I'm one of those people who's old enough

For like I don't remember my childhood You know those like Christmas movies Where like the humbug character Is this like hates the holidays And then like there's a memory of like Something happens and it flashes back to when he was a kid And he had a heart, that's me You know who you remind me of

You remind me of the critic the food critic and ratatouille you know where it's like he's evil he's evil and then he sits there and he eats the ratatooie and he's like wait I love all of these rats around me and I love food yeah it's a Christmas miracle until you eat the ratatooie

yeah he eats the ratatooie uh huh it shows your humanity I feel like elf on the shelf will bring that out you know once I know you don't know what it is right now in this moment but once you see it Do we think Nick will be, like, doing it? I could foresee Nick getting very stressed with this. It's like, what do you mean every day?

We have to do a new thing and put it in a new place. And it needs to be, like, swinging for the toilet. You're just making a mess. Yeah. So elf on the shelf every day, you have to move the elf to a new location. And it's like, you're- Before the child gets up. No, the elf moves itself.

Right. Sorry, for children that are listening. Turn this off. It's watching the kid to report back to Santa Claus if they were. So we're inviting a stranger into a stranger into her? It's not a strange. It's part of your family. Don't traumatize River.

It's part of your family. That's true. But just make sure that... You let River name them. Natalie, I have the DVD. I can let Nick watch the movie. It explains. Right.

Nick's... I don't know if we have a DVD player. What Nick is doing right now is the equivalent of how you rewrite the synopsis of like a Disney movie like Pixar where it's like finding Nemo and it's like somebody escaped from a mental hospital and is trying to help them find their son. Like it's like that's next being like, what do you mean we're inviting a stranger to our house or elf on the shelf? You're like, Santa actually, low-key, problematic. What do you mean you can spin down a chimney?

A man? I bet she didn't wake up, turn on this episode and expect an entire segment about Christmas. We're just excited. What are you going in? Do you dress it up for Halloween? I am, but I don't, it's like all basic. I just like ordered some like vampire stuff and like just some like push up bras, you know. Period.

Fake teeth and push up bras. Yeah, exactly. A little bit of fake blood. Duh. Exactly. What are you? No, I picked Connor up from the airport yesterday. Yes, we still do.

That's my sense of having a healthy relationship. And then he goes... LAX? Yep. Yeah, that's love. Because he changed his flight to come home early just because he missed me. So he came home early. Where is he flying from?

Houston. Three and a half hours. It's a stop. It was a stop in between. So for a direct flight, last minute, I said, you know what? You came to see me? I will come get you. And I was so mad because they've closed down the 405.

I don't know if you know. It's a nightmare. He asked me what we're being for Halloween. What we're being for Halloween. And I said, I don't know, but I'm sure I'll pull something together. And that's what we're going with right now. Nice. We don't know yet.

Yes. I am going to slut myself out as Lisa Rinnah. Yes. And my best friend is going to be Harry Hamlin. Yes. It's landing better than your brazening boys. The Da Vinci twins. It's the thing of like I was like, okay, I do.

I was goofy last year because me and my same best friend, shout out Audra, when I was Nyad from the movie Nyad. And that was so stupid It was just like really dumb and gay But no one got it I will be going as Lisa Rina And I will be overdrawing my lips And I will be like full

I just need to get like Brown spray paint from my hair That won't like mess it up But I basically do have the Rina hair cut If I just like Give myself a blowout Are you a Halloween fan Justin? I am. This year not really though

I want to chill and just watch movies But I will be dressing out As what? Challengers Oh hell Yeah, with Max, the two. The Turo scene? She's going to be Zendaya. Yeah, who's Zendaya?

You're looking for Zendaya. I'm looking for Zendaya. Thank you. You're just foregoing the Zendaya. Some would say Zendaya was irrelevant to the plot. I will say. She was not expecting. A Halloween costume I always wanted to do

but just never had the balls to because it's so cold during Halloween would be a Victoria Secret Angel. And they did bring back the Victoria Secret fashion show. I remember when the Kardashians did that. a few years ago they were all angels yes yeah oh smart that was iconic but kendall was not walking this year did you notice yes i wonder why she didn't walk last year either i don't think did she yeah um bella hadid resurfaced after yolanda's post looking better than ever yeah i literally go bitch and like pause the screen being that was my first thought she's glowing yeah i didn't watch

it but i was really excited because i saw photos of angel reese and i just it makes me really really excited that a WNBA player can be like a hot model and because I'm like I think so often they're like masculineized because they play basketball and then these girls like their physiques are

incredible they're built like models body fat yeah muscular and Angelry's like bodied and she looks so good honestly she bodies on the court too though with those lashes like every time I see her I'm like there she is she's always giving glam on the court she is I grew up

up watching the Victoria Secret fashion show, like putting on the pajamas, we would put parties together. It was unobtainable. Yes. And there was something about like these elusive, gorgeous creatures that, because I feel like Victoria Secret put a lot of money behind the angels, right? So it was like when you were like 14, 15, you're like maybe one day I'll grow up and I too will be an angel. Well, because it's everyone. And I get it because from a marketing standpoint, you know, everyone's online, you know. But the thing about like the Victoria Secret Angels that was so like amazing was the fact that you never really heard them talk throughout the year. They had other campaigns, but throughout the year, you'd see these commercials, things blowing up, wings going

in the wind, hair, the blowouts, the whole, the abs, and you're like, wow. And then at the Victoria Secret Fashion Show, you'd get a little in-between segment and they'd like, maybe pop a joke, here's my workout, here's my whatever, how to be an empowered woman. And it was like, amazing. It was like, oh my God, this elusive creature has a voice. And maybe one day, I'll hear her talk more. Like, I don't know. I'll wait until next year. Like, it was like, I'm going to work out. I'm going to get myself together. And it was always right around Christmas, too. So it was like, the gift that keeps on giving. This year, it felt kind of. Kind of like they were trying to copy the Savage Fenty shows.

It wasn't like these, there was no in-between segments. It was just like a concert. Some of these performers were singing four and five songs. And I wasn't really focused on any of the models. And they brought back the original models, Adriana Lima, Alessandro and Brasio. Miranda Kerr was not there. Which I found interesting. There was a couple that were missing.

But for the most part, there was a lot of them there. And I was just like, this isn't giving epic. They had some iconic models from like this era, though. Like Alex Kansani was out there. Like, he's not really big people. But it's like I feel like none of them like have their moment because they're not actual Victoria Secret angels. They're just like models walking in a show, which like that was the whole thing about Victoria's Secret. It's like you wanted to be a part of this franchise so badly.

It was exclusive. I was going to say they kept the mystery alive by keeping it like exclusive and probably not sharing too much where now it's like, oh, when you get to know people, you're kind of like, oh, like everyone is literally flawed. Or you're just like, oh, there's Gigi. We want exclusive. Yeah. We want to be not invited. So then we can want to go. And finding out that, like, you had to know somebody to get invited.

Like, it was just like, oh, my God, maybe one day. And then they canceled it. And I was like, oh, no. The moment you're like, this is for everybody. People are like, well, I'm busy. Remember when the weekend performed? And it was like two weeks after him and Bella Hadid broke out. Yes.

And she, like, was walking past. And they, like, so drama. Yeah. Oh, my God. You know he is rugged. Right. His choice. Pop culture used to exist.

Yes. Yeah. It was the year Justin Bieber performed. It was, like, the scandal with Barbara Palvin and, like, Ariana Grande getting almost taken out by a Victoria's Secret agent's wing. There's just, like, iconic moment. Okay, here's my question. Is it the fault of the Victoria's Secret fashion show for not doing this or just the, like, the fault of there being a lack of, like, monoculture and pop culture and these big moments in general across media? That's a really good point.

I think it is really hard to have that exclusivity and, like, the mystery is still alive. I don't know that they have a choice but to like be what they are today but I just don't know that it has the same lore that it used to. Well it doesn't have as much money as it used to either right? Because wasn't there like the $10,000 bra or something that the models are? Yeah, the fantasy bra. Like is that a thing now?

I don't think it is. Yeah. Because that's the thing where they just put so much money behind these people that you constantly see them. You associated Alessandra and Brosea with Victoria's Secret. Now it's like okay you walk in and it's Haley Bieber which like great but it's like she's not sequestered to this franchise.

You know what it is, where there's, like, campaign models and then there's, like, runway models. Yes. And it kind of, they took runway models, but it felt campaign. Yes. But it was, like, an exclusive club that, like, nobody could get into. Yeah. That was, like, maybe if I, like, work out every single day, someday I could, but no.

Because it was unattainable. And that was, like, what was so cool about it. I don't know. I agree. Do you guys think that Kim Kardashian should have been at the Victoria's Secret Fashion show with, like, her full face mask? She's outgrown it. I think so.

Honestly, I love that she does this because it just shows how iconic she really is in that she can literally have her... She did this at the Mechal a few years ago. Like, she can go completely covered and everyone knows exactly who it is. It was like scarecrowchee. No, they know it is because they're like,

this is Kim Kardashian. She's getting announced. Oh, true, true, true. But like, what if it wasn't Kim Kardashian? She's being announced by the people there, but not the internet. We've all seen this from some kind of Instagram or headline post that says,

Tim Kardashian. No. They're not holding a sign. You're like, oh my God, I totally would have known. On the red carpet, that person is not holding a sign that says Kim Kardashian when she walks. You know they're not. When you do a red carpet, it literally do literally write your name. But they don't do that for Kim Kardashian or Taylor Swift or the big stars. They're not writing those names down.

No, they don't. If you're walking in a red carpet and you see someone in a full face mask, I'm going to guess it's two people. Kim Kardashian, Meredith Marks. And Meredith Marks did it first. I guess. But he's not really going to Red Carports anymore. Yeah, he did for a long period of time, actually. So she's this copying Kanye?

I don't know. I mean, he did dress her. Some people are saying they think it's because she got a facelift. No, because she showed a video of her face before. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I saw the video. Wait, how are we not talking about this? She was asked about her viral pub thong.

It's sold out. It's sold out. Wild. Please pull this up if case Nick hasn't seen this. It's crazy. Please tell me you haven't. I haven't. Oh, this is a treat.

Have you seen this? this of course i was like how could you not my thing is just like you know what's cheaper growing out your bush yeah it's just like one of those things where i'm like you just have to be wait this is underwear yes this is underwear that people are buying it's a thong guys i was ahead of the curve did you get remember the bush conversation she listened to this episode and she was like iconic i'm gonna make a thong i mean that i respect about her that just shows her power she's just fucking with people yeah she's like she's like i'm gonna make something that's stupid and no one's going to want to buy,

and I'm going to get it, I'm going to buy it. And it's not only as it's sold out, but she was like, oh, when she was asked about it, she was like, oh, we didn't know that it would be such a big deal. We were just, like, laughing about it back there. I was like, how would you not know that this was going to go viral? Like, my culture is not your costume, Kim. You know, like, do not.

She did this with the nipple piercings, too. The nipple one made sense, though. Because the nipple one was good for people that, like, had augmentation or reductions and, like, they didn't have the nipples. And I said this one helps for people with alopecia. So there is. Could you imagine, like, pulling down your fans being like, oh, and then you're like, just kidding. I feel like this is also one of those things quite so important to pay attention to like what beauty standards are and making choices for yourself because I'm like, if you wouldn't got leisored and then you're sad because you can't grow it back that you're buying a $60 thong, then don't buy into beauty standards.

No, it doesn't. Mine, but I'm happy. It's when you're, I mean, it's like, depends on your hormones. Like as soon as I got pregnant. There we go. My hair was like, you said next round. Hey, girl. Hey girl, I'm bad.

It's like, it grows back. Yeah, I'm concerned. I paid for that and it's a waste. Well, that's enough of opinions from us. Now it's time to hear from you because it is time for the Mint Mobile Hot Tick hotline where we get to hear your scorching hot takes. Since this episode is sponsored by Mint Mobile, we want to again, shout out their deal for everyone heartbroken by their current wireless carrier breakup

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Hey, Nick in the household. I have a pretty scorching hot take, actually, so hot you might not even want to air it. But I think the only reality TV dating show out there right now that's realistic is love is blind. And my reasoning for that is that love is blind is the only reality dating TV show to date that I'm aware of that has acknowledged politics. And I know you don't like talking about politics, but in my opinion, political compatibility is vital for relationships exist now more than ever. It used to not so much to be a thing. But now it just is, whether we like to acknowledge it or not. And other shows like The Bachelor and Love Island, you don't see it being acknowledged.

And it's like the networks are too scared to go there out of fear of it being too controversial. But I really respect the hell out of the Love is Blind Network for going there because those are real actual conversations that are going to be had in a successful serious relationship. Let me know your thoughts. Interesting tech. Damn. I feel like it's more, it's less about Bachelor being afraid and more about the contestants being afraid.

It's like we heard a little snippet of how Nick and Annie may or may not feel whether there was editing there or not. And like, yeah, I don't disagree with this take. I think I like that they kept it in. It felt like it really showed some insight. I do agree. think people are scared to talk about politics on the show. I definitely wouldn't bring it up on The Bachelor. I would lead with that. But if I were to get into a relationship with somebody,

it's definitely a conversation I'm having. So I don't disagree with her take. I think it's interesting to have it on the show. I guess I just disagree with the sentiment that now more than ever you have to be able to do it in order to have a successful relationship. Like if you know me with my friends or people around in my circle, I enjoy having these types of conversations with people because I have them with people where we can actually disagree on things and discuss them and like have a good time afterwards. Like even on topics where you're just like, oh, I'm a little, okay, I feel passionately about that. But now I just think like the caller sentiment was like, it didn't used to be this way. Like the topics we're arguing about in politics are no different

than the topic people were arguing about 30 or 40 years ago. So I think it's interesting to have these conversations, I just don't like the toxicity that often follows it when it comes to the fan base because I think on at least the people online, I think human to human, if you're in a safe space with friends, you could have a conversation and say, I feel this way. And even with someone that says, well, not only do I not feel that way, like, here's why, like, honestly, like, why your opinion or feelings hurt my feelings, right? But like online, people aren't incapable of having that type of discourse. There's also just like no winning, I think.

You know, I think like when you're doing it with someone not on a national TV show, there is at, you know, to next point to be like, oh, you know, I don't agree with that. But this is how I think of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. If you do it on a national TV show, someone's going to disagree with you and you will get like hounded in your comments and your DMs scares people to the point where it's like they don't want to talk about it. To that point, I don't think it's right to put. reality TV people on knowing that some of the stuff is edited nuance is taking out not to say that some people might just say things that a lot of people think are wrong but no i don't think the online bullying harassing and just the attempt at literally taking people down and ultimately it results in

death threats and things like that i do think we have to protect the people on these shows because again like what annie said the season was very offensive to a lot of people but like most people online aren't saying hey annie i'd like if you ever had a moment i'd love love to like take some time to have a conversation with like why that was like hurtful to like people in my family and if you're open to listening I'd love to have that type of conversation it's not what people are saying you know and it's not it's it's not trying to get people connected or on the same page it just becomes a divisive thing and then you have you know again like some you know more like hardcore religious people who like again dogmatic in their faith

will like, you know, speak up and say why, you know, you know, most people that can be religious and an ally at the same time. They can be, you know, that, that is possible for a lot of people. But online, the discourse is so toxic and dangerous. Like, it is, you know, I don't think for the point of having this conversation, you have to put people's mental health at risk. I feel like, one, it is going to be a conversation in a relationship. And although I do not think love is blind is maybe the most realistic dating show, I do think that is realistic. And I appreciate. that they have those conversations because I don't agree with this

but the way reality TV dating shows work is everyone online is going to find out your politics whether you like it or not and for them to at least be able to like say it themselves versus someone online like digging up something that is out of context or whatever I think it's like say it with your chest and then like people

I don't think anyone should get like death threats but I think having those conversations is healthy I also think in relationships like I don't think people should be forced. I don't think you should be forced, but I think if you want to, you should be able to because if it is like something that's important to you in your relationship, like for me, you know, I'm someone who's like, me as a person to some people, I am a political topic, you know, which is like weird because to me it's not. Like I'm chilling. But I think for the sake

of reality TV dating shows, it's always interesting. And in the way it's fun to like see how that plays out with couples just as like from an anthropologic perspective, I enjoy it. I also think that it's kind of an unfair comparison just because I'm like, love is blind. You're literally talking to somebody you don't know. You're going to hang out with them for two weeks and then end in marriage. So of course, you need to get a lot of these tough conversations out. Whereas a Love Island, if I sat there and watched two people talking about their politics when you're in the villa in bikinis, it's kind of a joke.

Yeah. It really depends on the show. So I just think it's the stakes are a bit different where I'm like, I love love, love Island, but I'm just saying to compare the two is apples to oranges. Very true. Let's get to our next one. Hey, I'm a huge fan of the show. So I hope this gets played.

But my hot take is that the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills needs a brand new cast. I'm just not invested in any of the characters anymore. I think that they're kind of all old and done with, even Kyle. And I just think they need a brand new cast To kind of shake things up The only person I can get invested in anymore Is Kathy Hilton because I think she's hilarious I agree with that

But other than that, I think they need a new cast Yeah, I have so many other hot takes I'll probably call again But yeah, love your show, bye Thank you for the hot take She's like, and I'm going to remain anonymous Keep Bose, that's all I have to say Keep Bose. Boz is fantastic

She was an exceptional housewife Is she only been on one season? Yeah, last season. was her per season. I don't agree with this. I just have one. I have one hot take in comparison, though, because I'm like Beverly Hills versus Salt Lake City or Miami. Like Salt Lake City, something pops up. Lisa's whatever. Bronwyn's marriage, whatever. There's always some new shit that's happening every episode that you're like, okay, we're unfolding this group of friends where I'm like, Beverly Hills will have one fucking issue. And they give me 19 episodes of these women talking about the same fucking thing. I don't care. That's a producer problem and our producing choice. I don't typically agree with it. I don't think a refresh is. in this franchise. A complete refresh hasn't really served the franchise well. Like Roney being the best example. Sure. You need some, it's just like with Batchernation.

There's a formula that works of like, you know, people are too lazy to be like, I don't want to get to know a whole new cast. And then nowadays, if you're, if you're casting a whole new group, it's going to be performative. It's going to seem fake like Roney was. You need to like, I'm fine with like, I'm fine with like

keeping the, the pressure on and being like, you know what? You're out, you're in, you know, always kind of bringing a fresh look to the cast. We have Garcell's gone, right? Now we have. I just can't watch another season of Dorep being like, Kyle, why won't you be a good friend to me? Like, you know what I mean? That's a producer choice. Listen, I think Kyle is like the queen and seems like a great person, but as a housewife, I'm kind of, I have no interest in her and Maricio's relationship. Yeah. Yeah.

I've no interest. I'm interested in, is Kyle, if Kyle's willing to date. Let's see it. I'm into that. You know, if Mauricio's willing to... I would love to see him on the slopes with some of the influencers. Maybe the cast of Love Island, he was recently seen in a... He was in the background of Andrea's Instagram. From Love Island. Yeah.

Anyways, I'm into that. I'm into that. I am not into the stage, performative, scene setting, you know, that they do to show up to remind the audience, they're still a team. Yes. And then, you know, Kyle talking about, not talking about her marriage. I'm so completely over that.

Yeah, I feel like these women have their boundaries up of what they will and won't share anymore because they're all veterans at this point. They've all have like over five seasons under their belt essentially. So it's just like they can say, I'm not sharing this, but I'll share this. And it's like, no, we need to see authenticity between these relationships because just what you're willing to share or call out on someone else. It gets old. But I love Sutton.

I don't think she can help herself in the best possible way. And then she has a messy life that she just like. I'm interested to see how Rachel Roy. Yeah. Rachel Roy does. No. Rachel. Rachel. I'm into read. Rachel Zoe. Zoh. Thank you. Yeah. I'm interested. Rachel Ray, I love her too. Yeah.

Rachel Roy was. Bring in all the Rachel's good hair. Allegedly. You know she's going to be fresh meat. Well, Rachel Zoe can handle herself, though. I'm like, that one's scary. I just, I just think, like, think of any reboot, like, what performed better, Rooney Legacy or Rooney rebooted? Isn't Denise back to? Like, Denise is back as, like, a friend for, like, a limited pickup, I think. That's what, yeah. Like, I think people are committed to.

personalities and people are committed to Beverly Hills as these personalities. I'm even at the stage where I'm like bring Lisa Runa back. Yes. I was just about to say that. I need some toxicity. I need some shaking up. She said she's not coming back. So I don't think she's going to come back. I know she's like really in her model era and just like absolutely devouring everything as per yuge. But I want to see that on TV. To validate our hot take a little bit. I mean, some would say you take down the queen B to like make people work again. So I mean technically that's what happened when Jen Shaw was removed. It gave other

people more like room to be who they are so maybe there's somebody to be said about that i feel like kyle stifles their creativity of the of the rest of the cast interesting i think there is i will say my hot take is i think there is one thing kyle richard could do that would lock me in the rest of the season and i think we all know what that is morgan yeah okay well morgan's never coming on well we got one more scorching hot take so let's get to it oh hi my name's katie i actually have two hot take first i I think on Real Housewives of Miami, the first episode of the reunion, Gertie is losing her mind. Coming out of nowhere, being upset about things that were resolved on the show, acting

like she's the only person that this has ever happened to, not giving anybody else grace. I think she is just on one. My second hot take is with the Real Housewives of Orange County. I think that Gretchen is a problem. I think she kind of proved that she is a problem and that she has loose lips when she drinks some alcohol and clearly could have said something to Katie and then turned around and said, I never said that. That's not true. That's a lie. I think she's kind of proving that Katie. She probably did say that to Katie. And I can't wait to see what happens. So yeah, those are my hot takes. Thank you guys. It reminded me of Gretchen going, it sounds like you're the problem. So you're the potster It's not the same thing

I definitely agree with the Orange County hot take I think Gretchen is 100% the problem I do love her though We needed the shake up just to like Make Tamara seem more human Yeah Because Tamara was coming after everyone the last couple seasons Honestly I think Gretson's an amazing housewife

And I agree with the caller Because again like the same reason I like Sutton It's like I have respect for like the more calculate like the Tamara like I respect how she moves yeah she's a smarty pants you know what I'm saying and then I like Gretchen because like she's not

you know she thinks she is but she is it but yeah no she like can't it's like her life is so messy and I think like Gretchen has this like she pretends to be happy with her life more than she is you know but portrays it

is to be like living the dream Oh, my God. That's awesome. No, literally. I'm like, you know what? Somebody who has a happy life doesn't have time for, focusing on every headline that comes up about someone they don't like. On the Gertie thing, listen, I can't have a rational take on Gertie because I ride for her.

Yeah? That's my take on that. Gertie? Let her cook. Listen, Gertie makes almost no sense ever. And she's a bit of a mess. No, I'm with you. She makes sense.

I said this. I don't know. I think sometimes Gertie is performing. And this is meant to be a compliment about Gertie the person, not Gertie the housewife. Not coming off as one. Oh, I have my ways. Listen, because I think she's always

she wants to like... Just a reminder, we will be seeing them at Bravo Concent. She wants to justify, obviously, being there. But like, you know, we'll segue into part three as we cover it, but like that part three when they had that moment with her and her husband. Yeah. It takes a lot to make a relationship work,

especially in marriage, especially over the years. And Gertie, from everything I've been able to tell, she has a really great and healthy relationship with her husband. And as a human, I have so much respect for whatever they have done as a couple to make this relationship work. And to make a relationship work like that, it requires an immense amount of selflessness, like sacrifice, which is like the antithesis of what it means to be a great housewife. Okay. You have to be a self-centered egomaniac, a little narcissistic. to be the best possible housewife. And I just think it's hard for Gertie

to really come across as an authentic Greek housewife because at her core, she's a great person. She's a great person. Yeah, that was nice. I think she gets the cancer pass and you wanted to give it to Jesse Solomon.

I think it's deserved for Gertie, Albrera, because she, like, these women, I feel like heard she had cancer, gave her the like, oh, and then moved on so fast. Well, and if you remember, she wasn't the one that brought it to the group. It was Larsa. Yeah. Exactly.

So, like, I mean, yeah. I mean, I think people, the reason why people don't like Gertie the seasons is because they want drama, but she's bringing her life. She's realness. Yeah. And Julia's dragging stuff up from four years ago. And Gertie's like, I don't understand why you guys, like, can't support it. That is the thing.

Like, she is just too good of a person because she's like, you're supposed to be my friends. No, literally. And so she's just like, you know? I think Julia has PTSD? Talk to Gertie. Yeah. You're Julia comic-causing her own marriage for the sake of a TV show. Yeah.

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here's your rapid recap. All right, now that we're done, Lesin' Out, let's get into the heterodrama. Warning, it takes a sound. turn. Lisa feels like no one was there for her when her dad passed and is also mad that Larsa said Jody was a cokehead. Larsa apologizes to Jody and it seems they're cool. Whether their AC level cool is to be seen. Then it gets fun again. Kiki can't eat oysters because she's celibet. Then Shoma Air is brought up. Stephanie Soj just wants to talk for a damn second. Alexia and Marisol are officially declared twins. Get these girls in an Adam McKay style buddy comedy now. Speaking of

Marisol, she's still mad about Adriana saying she has old lady knees so much so she's getting surgery on them. Stephanie thinks Marisol is the real villain in the Alexia Marisol dynamic. Kiki doesn't think Adriana is racist but does think she intentionally said she was Ratchet. She's also besties with the Amazon driver now. Overall, it's been a wild ride. Can't wait to see what next season will bring.

I do think Adriana is a little bit of fire. Adriana? Yeah. She's messy. Why isn't she like a real housewife? Because she's super entertaining. I think she will be getting that mojito. I think she'll get the mojito. I mean, she sat on the couch the entire reunion. So she's basically...

That is how Miami does it. If you're willing to say my sweet pussy on television. You get a mojita. Also, I didn't say this last time, but I just think it's so funny that Adriana is like, I'm not gay. And then she does, the gayest thing she did this season was not having sex with a woman. It was presenting Julia with her heart ripped out to her. I'm like, that is. And also, my last thing on this, and then we can move on.

Julia Seng has recently revealed that she has PTSD because of this whole season. And I'm like, Mama, that's just being with women. You should know this by now, Julia. She also did that to herself. I know. I feel like they saved the worst for last. It was the most boring part of the reunion. I felt it felt like it didn't.

We didn't need a part three. It was like a whole episode of wrapping it up. Yeah. Yeah. I did feel bad for Lisa, though, where I was just like, I just feel like everybody on this cast just hates her because it's just like she's sitting here being like, I got nothing when your mom died, I did this, I did that. I'm like, obviously, we don't want to hear a tit for tat. Like, I did this for your mom. You should have done this for me. But the way that Alexi was like, okay, yeah, we get it though. Enough is enough. Enough is enough. And everyone's enough. And everyone's enough. And everyone's enough. And everyone's enough. And everyone's enough. It was a little bit of a war. You got Larsa apologizing to Jody, which... How long? Yeah, why did that take?

Yeah. How long is it going to last? Exactly. It was like the most awkward conversation. Could you guys imagine if your mom was a housewife? Love. You would. I would be the Brooks Marks.

I would be like, let's make it happen. What job would I want in this world if my mom was a housewife? Exactly. I'm like half the Victoria's Secret Angels. Mom's housewives. Mom's a housewife. Right. The NEPA babies.

That's true. Yeah. Uh-huh. Oh, Jirgana did kind of win the conversation when they were like, who wrote the the rules for the reunion and she was like, and they were like, it sounded like a lawyer and she's like, I do go to Harvard. Yeah.

And I was like, too shay. I thought they were talking about like it was like a little sticky note. It was like a full printout. Yep. Two pages. So is Julia going to be back? I don't think so. Really?

I just have like a feeling. Yeah, I don't know. Do you think Adriana will replace her? That'll be awesome. I think Adriana will be back next year for sure as a housewife. I just, I don't think Julia, I don't think Gertie. Really? I went to Lexia when she told us that everybody should be given another season.

Is this because you don't think that, like, the show will bring them back on or do you think that they're taking, like, steps back? I think because the show, well, just based off of, like, viewers and storylines and what we have going on, coming to find out that Gertie and Julia's whole storyline was from two years ago. Like, Marisol and Adriana is more interesting about getting her knee surgery than it is, like, were you or weren't you on the cruise with me? But do you think Julia will, like, add a lot? with the whole hookup with like watching her marriage the unfortunate thing is that like it's going to take Martina taking some

sort of action for that to solidify Julia's role because I'm like I think Garcel is the only one Garcel from Beverly Hills is the only housewife where I believe that it was like her choice to leave rather than the network's choice because Garcel has

a lot going on and I don't feel like she needs this and I think most house wives it's never their choice i think there's exceptions to that rule for the most part you really have to see like what else they have going on and they really need it exactly that's what my guys i'd be fine with the entire cast coming back as is i think that if they are going to make any adjustments to it it's for sure going to be between julia and gerty like you're not going to stop seeing garcela on red carpets or events you're not going to stop seeing her in the scene but like other housewives if they don't have if they're not a housewife they disappear into

oblivion 100% yeah 100% uh huh Time for a little O.C. It's time for a little rapid recap of O.C. I miss Katie. Yes. I do too. Every episode. Well, Shannon hosts an engagement lunch for Jen to prove their friends, but the rosé-colored

glasses that she ordered did not show up. Hopefully that means nothing subtextually. Gretchen pulls a church lady and says a little prayer against Tamara. Shannon thinks she should chill. Gina is happy for Jen's relationship, but thinks Ryan is too horny for her in a low-key problematic way. Gina also moved back in with Travis, who is horny for her in a woke way. Groundlings alum, Heather Dubrow reveals she has never farted.

even though the first rule of improv is farts are funny, which she should know, and they call Katie a liar. Then are blonde and also brunette, but they're spiritually blonde. You know what I mean. Divas go to Amsterdam, smoke some reefer. Hey. Shannon reminds everyone that she grew up on boats, and also she might have a toe infection. Tamara asked her if she's a cunt. Some of the girls go decorating, which is a combination of dick and decorating to describe an event in which the women pays to bedazzle a dildo for decorative purposes in case anyone was wondering. The rest of the ladies get what the kids are calling stony baloneyed. Then they go. they all go to dinner and everyone is actually really cool and chill for once this is what sex and drugs can do for you kids overall what is the best word for weed devil's lettuce mary jane gongja doobies discuss i hate all the above honestly i think reefer is really fun i like

gonja reifer reifer madness like it's fun it's stupid i think if i'm going to go with any of them i'm going to go with any of the ones that mary listed devil's lettuce maybe that's fun devil's that's cool devil's lettuce is kind of fun because it's kind of like you can say it in passing and people are just kind of like, what salad is that? Is that on the devil's lettuce? I eat like a doobie too. I don't know. Doobie brothers.

It's kind of fun. When I was in my stoner era, it was just like, blot this, blunt that. I was just blot smoking girl. Again, another episode where I was like, I got Miss Katie. And I'm like, even though we traveled a little like, the most interesting thing was watching Shannon consume a space cake. Yeah. And the editor's voiceover for talking to her daughter. This episode of OC, and I guess.

Miami just kind of remind me why I love Salt Lake so much because like kind of to your point with Beverly Hills there are definitely episodes of OC where it's like I didn't miss anything no it was like a phone episode the whole time you know like you can scroll on your phone and be like no I didn't miss anything honestly I feel like it's nice to have those sometimes I do like Salt Lake City more it is my favorite obviously but I don't know I just it is nice sometimes to just see people chilling it kind of takes you back to like older Housewives episodes where it was a bit more of like a documentary I don't know how is a do you know what I mean sure yeah yeah yeah how is

Jen's vagina broken she got reconstructed was it after yeah I think she just got like after having um children she decided to get reconstructive surgery and it was like her pelvic wall no she said actually it looks very good I think just like the recovery maybe was like this is a recent surgery surgery yeah I don't know her timeline of it um this is actually really interesting to me like what happens that you need reconstructive surgery because i know i know i'm they dive more into that pun intended i just i'm curious i'm actually curious yeah they cut something off like the labia i guess maybe it just like gravity and aging and children but she always uses it as like a punchline or a joke where

she's like i'm a giant broken and like right but i am like i don't know like i think when you get what's going on when you get things like that redone that i'm like she she was saying sex where it was like only just the tip because it was so painful so i'm like it's like it's like it's like almost like having a brand new vagina. You kind of, you got a, you got a, oh, it was painful before. Yeah. No, no, no. Like, she got to repop the cherry.

Exactly. She got the surgery redone. So it's like. Zipped it up. It's so tighter. You got to open it back up again and it takes a few times, you know? And they say you can't regain your virginity. I mean, between Jen's vagina and Slade's broken penis.

What is going on in Orange County? Nothing good. Nothing good. What about love is blind? Well, Joe and Madison finally broke up. Yeah. Ladies, if you're, if you watch that breakup, this is. take notes

know when they hate you and I don't mean like they hate you but like that was tough it was like I could just have a hug and he's like yeah yeah when you I mean that that man

wanted out and that's fine it wasn't for him he was emotionally panicking the whole time I guess we're like it was more like don't lose yourself over like Madison

just falling on the floor it was the constant asking to like where it's like why is it what is it I'm like clearly he doesn't It doesn't want to hurt your feelings. So, like, let's just not ask for an answer that we don't need to hear. And sure, Joe kind of demonstrated some behaviors that were a little eye-rolly at time, and maybe he's not your guy.

But, like, I think it's okay to freak out over the science experiment. Him immediately being cutting to his ITM and he were like, I feel relieved. Yeah. Late, a weight, lifted off my shoulders for sure. Yeah. She's just in there, like, on the floor, sobbing, crying. There's just. The editor's playing Manchild when he ran off.

Yes. No, that was amazing. I saw people being like Netflix spending all of their money to play Man Chow for the last 10 seconds. And it was worth it. It really was so good. I do want to, it sucks because I do kind of want to like hate on Joe. But I can't, I can't because I would, if I was on Love is Blind, I would probably, I would be Joe. Not in the way that he was like kind of fatphobic, but in the way that he was just like, I'm not getting married.

No, I think I'd be the same. But I'm like, I just don't know why that was so hard for people to like grasp their head around. because Annie too where Annie was just like just make it work with me and then like we'll see and it's marriage right yeah

that feels this isn't an easy thing to get out of no it's not something to argue about while you're drunk and eating Taco Bell I do think

I've always said this this show's most toxic fan base are catfishers wait in what sense catfishers people who catfish other people

this whole premise is about can you fall in love with someone you don't know what they look like and the people who are notorious

notoriously online, some of those people are people who catfish other people into believing they're someone they're not. Yes. And if you are someone who catfishes people online, you fucking love this show and you ride for the people who like, maybe are like overselling their looks. And like when someone like Joe is like, hey, listen, not my type, you will crucify this person to like no other. And, you know, just this.

I think that's where. Something to think about when you're thinking about, you know. Yeah, not that I think that Casey did a good job in how she broke up, but I'm like, I almost think it's like when she did break up with Patrick, I'm like, it was immediate. She was like, I know I can't get there. She could have done it better for sure. But then for Joe, I feel like he probably felt the same way, but he drug it on and it's almost like more painful and more damaging to the person that you're with. If you just like let that drag on and you're just like, I mean, have you for been with somebody that you're like trying to be like, I'm trying to get there. Like, but like physically, even if it's not that they're not attractive, it's just that you're like, I'm not feeling this. And it's really, like, shitty. It's really shitty. It's really shitty. Yeah.

And you just feel really bad and you don't want to hurt people. I hate it hearing Madison be like, so you, we're never going to cuddle again. Like, we're never going to get, like, she's like, think about all the good times. Like, you will never have those again. And you're okay with that. He's like, he's like, I cannot fucking wait. He's like, I got to get out of this apartment. But I will say to her point or to her credit where I'm like, he knew.

He knew from the second he saw her. He knew from the. But also, it was so obvious to us, clearly watching it. I wonder how obvious it was to her or if, like, everything he was saying and she was confusing her, you know, like, if it was just the complete opposite for her to be living in it. I do think the conversation between Sparkle Megan and Jordan was very common. I think it's something that, like, Nick and I have even, when we first started dating, like, have, you know, had an issue with, like, the, like, okay, are we, you know, I feel like I'm not really getting much out of this conversation. It feels like I'm pulling teeth to get you to have a conversation with me.

Every guy on some level wants to just stare at a wall in silence. Until you break them. You know? It's like I don't. The last thing most men want to do is talk about their day.

No, literally. Connor used to always be like, I'm a simple man. Literally could have to be me. Now I'm like, now you're a bougie man. That won't shut the fuck up. Wait, I have to relive this whole thing. Like, what?

I'm like feigning at the mouth to be like, When can I talk about my day? When are you going to ask me about my day? Someone asks me. It's like, when you're like, so are you going on any trips anytime soon? I was like, no. And you're like, I am. Thank you.

Oh my God. Let me tell you where I'm going. Literally. Couldn't be more different. Megan's like, you know, we just fell in love her because you love because you make you me laugh. And it's just like, well, I'm not a fucking comedian all fucking day. It's just like, I'm not here to tell jokes.

Yeah, he's like, and this isn't the pods, baby. It's real life. I will say that kind of hurt me when he said this isn't the pods, so I was like, I was like, but then he did make her laugh right after. And I was like, okay, there's hope. He did make a little joke after. They do seem like the most, the couple that I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. Did you see he got like a Nutra Bullet brand deal? No, cute.

For the chicken, yeah. Oh, God. That's so disgusting. And Crystal light made like a. But happy for him. Crystal light mixture whole thing. I wonder if he's getting any of that. Did you all see Joe's?

Apparently, Joe is currently in a relationship. Spoiler. Oh, yes. Literally. As soon as that breakup episode air, they were like, she's like, and release that shit. We fit together. We're doing a podcast.

She somehow has already had time to do a podcast. I don't really. I got to say, Joe. Not a good sign for you. Yeah. I don't love that your new girlfriend's out there like riding your coat tails, talking some shit. She is.

She is talking shit about, I saw claims. She's talking shit about. about Casey being like we she told me which this is always what I love about people when they read tell stories and they're like yeah and um she just kept telling me like you're so beautiful you're so beautiful you're so funny you're so beautiful and you're so silly and funny and beautiful and she just kept telling me how stunning I was um and then the second I left she was in Joe's lap and it's like well um okay let's unpack all of that yeah so you fell for it so would I

But I am No, literally I am confused as to why she is doing press That is definitely a red flag for sure I wonder how what Casey's reflection of this She DM'd probably as many podcasts As she thought might have her on and pitched herself Have you guys checked your DMs?

We don't we don't check Who checked the DM? I mean I did see Joe up in the email I was trying to get on so Joe was also on our DMs the the KV and Edmund conversation was very interesting where she was like you're a different person when the cameras are down than when they are the way I was rooting for them to break up no when they didn't I honestly like like they shouldn't be together I love them both I honest I think they're they're well-intentioned people who are willing

to try to figure this out and I don't think they're perfect for each other but I think they're both good people sure we've talked about already I think I mean I mean I'm some shit to work through They're just not each other's person. If you ever wondered what Nick looked like roller skating, just watch that is it. I don't jump. Do you want to now after watching? No. You didn't get the itch?

Well, watching it had been on rollerblades was like, yeah, maybe I should. You felt connected. Oh, maybe you shouldn't. I felt a bit, I felt some shame. Oh, okay, okay. It brought you back, humbled you a little. Listen, I can't wait to my daughter's old enough to go roller skating and we'll be, we'll be flying. Well, Allison Williams is here, so should we get to Allison?

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I really feel like I won some kind of a contest, and I get to be honest. Yes, of course. Yes. You won like a radio show contest. This is like a fan event. Like I really feel like, this is surreal. I'm unworthy. I'm so grateful to be here.

Susie, this is a curveball I did not know about the fact that you're on the couch. I'll eventually be able to maintain eye contact with you for longer than like a second. I'm so flattered you don't even understand. No, you don't. Incredible. Thank you so much. So you've been a true blue bachelor fan for a long time. True blue.

How far back do you go? I think the first seat. I watched. like at the very beginning and then I took a little break during college it was like a culture you know vacuum college wise a little bit and then I started again I started in hard with Brad Womack hard he was the only two time bachelor my yes the second back he was a two time bachelor the second time he came on I watched that whole season and it was my chances to be the bachelor I know and he really good good guy but the little he made them both yeah the first time he was

he said no to everyone he was like nah I'm good and it was hated for It was like, I can do better, guys. Literally. This is the season that produced Emily Minard. Yeah. So I wrote, I was prejudged out of college. I was in like a viewing group and I did something that's like so confusing looking back in terms of like social, I don't know, trying to fit in. Everyone was a little older than me and we would get together every week and watch The Bachelor.

And I wrote an essay to the email list about like coordinating the weekly viewing thing comparing Brad Wilmack to Hamlet. And everyone was like, it, like, landed with a thud in the e-mail, and I don't think anyone responded. People are like, you're doing so much. This English major, you have to leave it behind. He doesn't belong here. I stand by it. He was very, yeah, he was very Prince of Denmark. And are you still, you're still currently watching?

I am behind, I watched Paradise. If we can even, like, call it. It was so different. Yeah, what are your thoughts? How did you, like, the new twist? It needs, like, it needed a revamp. Yeah. I was happy to see, like, aspirational qualities to it.

Like, it was starting to get so mean to the people who went that I was like, why would you go? Yeah. And they still did wrong by you, in my opinion. I agree. Yeah, you deserve, like, a much, and I'm assuming they assumed you would have had a much longer storyline. But they didn't prioritize their stars, which was one of my biggest groups. It's really weird. They don't take care of the people who pull the most attention.

to the show but the fact that it was a nice hotel it was like everyone had air conditioning people looked rested people were napping whenever they felt like it like I was like this seems like it's less prone to create a breakdown and I thought it was pretty successful and then when it became Survivor Big Brother I was like interesting I guess it's what you have to do to compete with the other shows I guess I guess I mean it because it hasn't been working I feel like lately And I my biggest frustration is like I think that I just don't think they've they haven't prioritized their stars or even made it an attempt like Joey brought it back we're all like here we go like we're back you know we loved it told Kelsey to say it again after she was like I love you

and he was like say it again period I got one that's so true that's so funny they took all that momentum and then just like yeah I don't know why they do that they've never been good at prioritizing their stars? Well, now they're pulling a star from a different universe. I was going to ask, what do you think of Taylor for you? So this is actually, I think, what the franchise needs to get eyeballs back on it. The question will be what they do with that attention, because I think she's going to be incredible.

She knows what she's doing. She gets the assignment. She's a veteran. Like, you know, she's going to, like, run an insane show. And it'll break her, even her, because you guys are built with spines of steel to survive these shows. Like, seriously, it's really hard. It's like, it's the reason why everyone goes on to the other competition shows and just does so well.

So you guys are really like forged and fire. It's an emotional, yeah. It's really intense. It's not a coincidence that like special forces were Hannah Brown and Tyler right over three of the first five people who finish because it's about not quitting. Right. It's not really about anything else. Totally. It's just like being kind of psychotic.

And also being like really good like game theory, emotional gameplay mechanics and being able to like write your own story in real time and produce. yourselves because I think there's less like one-to-one kind of attention so you're like this is up to me there's a bigger pool anyway digression I think Taylor will be helpful to like launching it and then I just hope that there's a star like from that season there's got to be that can then carry the momentum forward but they have to take care of that person and they have to choose that star and don't make fun of them after the final rose like lionize them make them seem like hot and interesting and desirable. They have to cast at least three men that they think could be our next

lead. That have not done anything illegal. Yeah, exactly. It'll take two seconds for Reddit to unearth. And you'll least like a list of 50 potential contestants, like months before they start shooting and let the internet to the background back. I would like my, if I were a bachelor producer, my big like thing to change would be like announce a cast of like 50 to 60.

Exactly. And do it like months before. Can I tell you something devastating, Nick? What? There would be like four men left. So true. Yeah. Every girl would be like a smaller season.

It would all be husband ready. All the ex-girlfriends would come out of the way where I could be like listen to how he broke up with me. That's, you know, that would have to get a bunch of jelly exes. That's fine. That's okay. Like you can, we allow for people to have done breakups badly. Who hasn't done that? But you start with 60.

You weed it down to like 20. even 15. Yeah. And then like it's only like those 15 make it. And then I want to see, I want to see the lead get like almost Love Island style. Yeah. But instead of like you got a text, like they all get like a flip phone that they can text each other.

You know how like when I would sneak out and, you know, like go to her apartment or whatever and that's all kind of like they could like text the lead when they're on a date and the lead could decide to respond, not respond. And then the producers would have. access to all those conversations, but that would be a way to like, like, you have some bubbles of like, that would be kind of great. I feel like it would take so long, though, to get the text messages through because everyone's forgotten how to click three times for K and two times for.

Oh, yeah, T9 word. I used to be able to do that without looking. I know. It was so hot. I mean, it was emanating from my bedroom in high school. It's just like loud. Yeah, I mean, there does need to be some element of like the thing Love Island does so well. it just lets people just hang.

And it's not all ready for television. Yeah, they're producing six episodes a week, or five a week, but still, like, what I loved about Paradise always, and the reason I think it has a higher success rate for couples than the regular show, right? I think. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. You get to just hang out together.

And so there's a problem with that formula, which is that as the couples get stronger, they get more boring. And then they stop making good television. And so adding the game mechanic, I guess, made sense. But maybe if you're just, I don't know, people are such experts these days. They know what they're doing. Just cast the right people. Yeah, I think it just comes down to casting.

Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Regretting you. Yeah. Comes out on Friday. I was like, what is that? It's not in the Bachelor universe I've ever heard of it. You in the movie are married to Scott Eastwood.

I am. In the movie married to Scott Eastwood. In the movie married to Scott Eastwood. How was that just for curious purpose? Just for general curiosity between the two of us. He's like, he's iconic. He's Scott Eastwood. He delivers on the Scott Eastwood promise.

He's like what you want him to be. Yes. You know, hanging out, sun tanning and the parking lot of his camp. Just like chilling. He's like knows all the like the teamsters somehow already from other jobs. He smells like. I have now been asked like six times what he smells like. And I'm such a failure because I do not remember his odor.

I will make note of it tonight when I see him at the I think maybe one of the best compliments a man could get is the curiosity about your smell about their smell other men are the only people

who have asked me it's like a competitor yes pheromone question interesting even a bigger flex you have men clearly want to be him feeling like self-conscious

about their own smells they're like was it like Musk or like a sat like a leathery but yeah so he when we wrapped him he was gone somehow it came up that he's the guy in the Wildest Dreams

Taylor Swift video and McKenna and Mason who had loved him in different ways from that video a long time ago hadn't made the connection that they just filmed a movie with the hot guy from the Wildest Dreams video and we have a picture of the look on their faces when they figured it out and they were just like

oh my God that was him and he just played her dad we were very glad she didn't know while we were shooting it's probably a good thing you didn't know The movie's like, why is it kidding? She wants to love him. Right. I was feeling blurry.

She kissed from lips. I don't know. That's weird. Mason is like, you're the most beautiful man I've ever seen. He's always felt that way. And then when he met him, he was very, very flustered. It was so sweet. He's a dad.

He's chill. Looks very heavy and entertaining. And for me, like a game of guess who? Because it was like, wait, did they cheat on each other? Is that the person the dad? What's going on? So many, like, cliffhangers? It's really.

It is emotional. There's ugly crying involved for sure, but there's also, like, laughing out loud. It's hard to describe this genre. The way I've been describing is, like, it's a sleepover movie that you want to see in a theater. It feels nostalgic. Like, a movie you would watch back in the day. I feel like walking into blockbuster throwback. Sorry, half your audience just was like, what is that?

See all these movies of, like, romance and then different hyphens. And I feel like we don't have as many of those anymore. And this feels like a movie from this genre. And I personally am constantly, like, scrolling through the streamers looking for movies like this. Wow. Do you, when you play, like, the teenage mom, well, not a mom of a teenager. Who was a teenage mom, actually. Do you, is it fun to, like, role play, like, what, like, kind of envision, like, what you would be?

Like, that scene where you drive up and it's like, there's a door apart where that kind of. That happened to calling Uber. That was so cute. Really? That's a real scene from her life that she put in the book. That's hilarious. Totally. I mean, our guy is going to be four in November. So we're far from that, although they do say that developmentally toddlerhood and teenagerhood are similar stages of pushing boundaries to find them.

They're just like, when they're tiny, it feels it hits different. Yeah, yeah, Mom. Yeah, Natalie and I are constantly like kind of fantasizing about like what it's going to be like when River gets older. What are the vibes you're getting? I mean, if she's saying mom, she's already saying mom at 20. We went to a new park yesterday with our. friends and they have this like it's like a it's like a big kid park where the park by a horse is more like smaller and it has this like rope kind of netted like climbing oh i can picture

exactly right like just an instant heart attack for me and she and she scaled the whole thing first started going and then obviously it gets really high i'm like right you know right there right below her and kind of like not enough and she's yelling at me no dad da and honestly she's rejecting your whole thing yeah yeah don't even about looking at me don't look away yeah and what's shocking is that like she actually did it like she no obviously we were I was there yeah but she would like she's definitely like um she must have felt so proud oh she yeah she was like you're gonna deprive me of this victory if you're involved but like she she's a doer she like she like she's a doer she like she like she She, yeah, she's definitely a go-getter.

She's so, she's unafraid. He's also, like, such a lover girl. Like, she goes up to anyone and hugs them, tries to kiss. It's sometimes a little. I'm like, you can't. Yeah, no, they were like, it's your body. Well, by the way, so I teach that to our son. Obviously, I'm like, this is your body or whatever.

And we're always talking about consent in every situation. And then when I say things to him, like, I think you are just tired. He's like, how do you know that mama? You're not in my body. This is my body. I'm the boss of my body. And I'm like, oh, my God. Damn, this is so early.

Yeah. He is educated. I know. I love it. I love it. But anyway, yeah, it was crazy to imagine having a teenager. Like, and let alone my character became a mom as a teenager. And I know a few people who had kids that young.

I'm just completely in all of them. I was so someone else's kids still for a long time when I was that age. Like, I just was not ready to. Advocate. Did you pick their brain at all about like being? Totally. But also the other thing is observing it because it's this funny hybrid. It's a level of intimacy that's fascinating because it's like they kind of grew up in parallel. So they're like sisters, but also there's a boundary of mother daughter. And all the people I know who had kids young did a better job of it than Morgan has. I think she in the beginning of the movie it seems like everything's good. But actually like I have notes. By the end of the movie, they may or may not find each other better. But their closeness is kind of superficial. she's very into she would like to control her daughter into being safe rather than letting her go which you did and then that climbing thing which is what you have to do that's all that parenthood is it's like letting go and then being there just in case you know i'm always trying to like not put my own anxiety onto her it's so hard every time i'm like be careful don't do that i'm like no don't say it

she can do it it's okay my husband literally like when our i know maybe he was like a year old Alexander very gently in a way that I could feel that he had been thinking about how to word this for like months. He was like, have you ever noticed how often you say be careful? And I was like, no. And he was like, you're kind of telling him that the world is scary in a way that he doesn't feel. And so then I started paying attention to it. I was like, oh my God, it's constant. It's like a tick on all this. It is. It's like what she does anything. I know. And she steps in to put her foot into her pajama pants. I'm like, okay, and be careful. And then I'm like, where, what's going to happen?

No. Come on. Leave her alone. I know. I am allowed to say it when he runs downhill, though. There's nothing. Yes. Yes.

You're running downhill. Go slow. Takes your breath away. I know. It's fascinating, though. There have been a couple moments where, like, River got hurt. Yeah. And any, like, stitches yet?

Well, like, Natalie, there's a couple where it was just, it was very traumatizing for Natalie. There was one situation where there's a lot of blood. She was totally fine. Like, her lip, basically. The head leads so much. It's crazy. And in the few moments where that's happened,

like, it's incredible how, like, calm river gets, so if she'd be crying, but she'll, like, you can tell that she notices Natalie's scared. She comforts me. You know what happened to me? We're very similar. Arlo stopped wanting to see me when he got hurt. He didn't want my, he didn't want me looking at him.

So there must have been something in my eyes that was making him feel like, I'm already hurt. I can't take care of you. So I started saying to him, like, I don't like when you get hurt, but that's not your job to take care of. I'm going to take care of myself. And now I need to take care of you first. And we got through it.

And now he likes a hug. But sometimes he's very stoic about getting hurt. And then I'll say, can I give you a hug for no reason? And he'll be like, yeah. Oh, my God. He's crying. He's like that a little cut. And I'm like, random question.

Have nothing to do with the fact that you're crying. Can I give you a hug? That's hilarious. That's nothing to do with you or your cut. Or your feelings. He doesn't like the feeling of crying. He doesn't like the sensation of tears. years coming out of his eyes. He finds it deeply uncomfortable. And I was like, I wonder if I did too.

And now I'm just used to it. Like, right. Is it a fundamentally uncomfortable experience? It could be off me. Sounds like you've like been able to really instill it. So maybe he's just like really able to communicate and be aware where maybe most kids are like experiencing the sensation and they can't communicate it. He is a, yes, he's a big time communicator. Very in tune. It sounds like. Yes, he's a big communicator. We're very, I'm so into it before he goes to bed. As a mechanism, but also just because I love it, I was asking if there's anything on his mind left from the day, like any residual, I don't know, like when I see him, when I walk away on the nannet, and I see him just linking up at the ceiling, I'm like, what are you thinking of me?

And like lately, not for any particular reason. I can't even remember why it came up, but he's become obsessed with like the birthing process. Oh. And it's been, like, he's almost four. It's been a long time. I'm not pregnant again. I haven't had another kid. But he's very into knowing about like the umbilical cord and, like, the umbilical cord and

placenta and contractions and how does a doctor decide about a C-section or a vaginal birth and and he asked the most incredibly profound questions about like how can the doctor communicate with the baby about whether or not it's going to hurt and how can the baby tell the doctor if it's feeling uncomfortable while it's being porn and I was like oh my God I would talk to you so when he does that because like I don't know that's our first kid too are you like you're a genius obviously because like I'm going to get river will say or do something and I don't know if she's a genius or just like she's developing.

You know, she's just normal. You'll never know. We will never know. We will never know. I will never know the objective level of genius he is. I will only know his mom level of genius he is, which is like NASA science. Well, from a bystander, that seems pretty impressive. It happened on video.

It's incredibly sweet. He's like, I mean, I film him another thing. Just record her talking constantly. Like during a diaper change, I would just sit the phone with the voice memo app going like next to the, because they're so chatty when you're changing a diaper or something.

She's a girl, she's probably like potty turned already. She's almost. I mean, it took us a minute. I'm just going to say. This morning, this morning, she's in her crib and we're asleep at 6 a.m. And she's going, Mama, mama, which she doesn't really ever call for me in the morning. Nick always gets her in the morning. And I sleep for an extra 10 minutes before she realizes I'm not in the room.

And she's going, Mama, Mama, Mama. So I'm like, what? She must need me. Like, what the heck? I get out of bed. Yeah. And I open the door. door. And I'm like, are you okay? And she's like, mm, pooh, yuck. And I'm like, okay. Got it. Got it. So now I've

like taught her the difference. And now she knows. And so now she's like telling me. That's like, Mama, I peeped. I peeped. I peeped. I peeped. So yes. So we're close to potty training. And now that she's so verbal, keep a note stock of all the words and the sound effects. Because they go through so fast. Like, I don't remember when banana became banana. But at least I know that it was at one point, banana. Yeah. It's just, it is fast. Although I do feel like we're really soaking it up, which is such a privilege.

I know. I thank God for phones and because I am, I feel like we're able to just capture so much. But what will we do with the approximately 100,000 hours of footage I have of our? I'm not sure. Someone's going to create something. I wish to go through like AI will be able to cypher through it, I think. I'm sure. It's going to need to.

And make it like a home video. Because there is something so special about, like, a home video. Although they were so unique that, like, I will never know what I actually was like because when the camera was out, I was always being a little ham. It's like Schrodinger's baby Allison. Like, there's no way to know. I know they, when I was growing up, we had like the camcorder. Yeah.

And I'm sure they're somewhere. I don't know where, but they're not very accessible. Like I can't believe ABC didn't make you unearth them at some point. Maybe they asked. Maybe they asked. What if I just, like, quoted a home video? I remember your first word was? Remember you fell playing soccer when you were seven?

You don't remember that? Are you watching the Golden Bachelor? I'm behind on the Golden Bachelor. We gave up on it. You did. You bailed. Shots five-tuning in, technically. How is it?

It's like, it's okay. I'm having a hard time staying tuned in. I didn't like his five. I was like, I don't know if I'm going to root for you, but I'm saving it. He was like, I'm into the 40-year-olds. Yeah. I hated that. Which is like, I was like, have you asked them if they're into you, sir?

Yeah. We got a show coming out next year called Age of Attraction. I have heard about this show. That's the show for him because like, no shame in your preferences. But like, you're not giving these ladies a shot. Right. Also, like, know your show, know your audience. I was like, this is just a sign of a level of like he's not thinking about,

the fans when you said these things. And that is indicative of a certain kind of season that it's going to be. Well, Susie recently went to a brunch with all the golden women. I have to share a clip with you guys if that's okay. What? Of course it is. It's a little inappropriate. So I hope you're ready.

Love it. I don't know if you're familiar with my work. Perfect. Let's just say someone's motorboated my butt on television. Oh, you're going to love this. You're going to love this. So I was going around asking everybody, where's the crazy. place you've had sex and I got some really exciting answers some was like the 40 line 40 yard

dash line whatever 40 yard yes that of football I don't know I guess it was just like not quite yeah but they did it there um a bathroom one of the goldens had joined the mile high club and an airplane and then we got like a really fun answer they want to share with you guys from peg who's that who is peg of course it is what's the craziest place you've had sex in the butt And she opted in You said I'm in where I'm not trying to get that personal with you

I'm so sorry I didn't mean to like She's like the ear She's like the question you wanted to be asked Your ass, that's interview 101 in the butt Yeah she was so funny She's the firefighter She has been like comedic relief this season She definitely keeps it interesting

So do they have chemistry? Does she stand a chance or she's just sticking around me? She's funny. You know what? But that might be why they have chemistry. No, I mean, not for the show. She's good. Yeah.

I think that he really digs her. That's been the vibe I got. How old is she? You can never tell. I don't know. You know what? That's a good question. I don't know.

She looks bad though. In the butt. Immediately. Yeah. So iconic. What else are you watching these days? Are you watching Salt Lake City? Is that accurate?

I just did watch what happens live with Meredith, who's audible gasps in the studio. Not to brag, we text like, I can retire, I think. I'm so obsessed with her. As my voice is coming back, I actually occasionally sound like Angie Kay to me, to myself. A little bit. English voice is a disaster. You know what, honestly, yeah, I hear it. I conic.

By the way, also for the record, okay, so sorry, I got like flustered because you brought up Salt Lakes. You invoked the city, Salt Lake City. And I lost control of myself. I started watching the show because I filmed a movie in Salt Lake earlier this year. Or what month is it? Yes. Earlier this year. And so I was like just culturally speaking, I should do my research about where I'm

going to be. I like destroyed secret lives of Mormon wives. And then I was like, what next? And I watched like Salt Lake City from season one, Real Housewives. And I've known Andy Cohen for a really long time, like since I was like 22. so 15 years, and maybe younger than that. And I have never watched a Bravo show of his. Really?

That whole time, we've been on vacations together. I've had this man captive on a boat with me for like days at a time, and I could have been pebering him questions. The irony that I'm only now discovering, like, he's becoming so many years. I was like, Andy, you're getting more famous to me, like, by the dead. Like, I'm going to stop being able to talk to you about these shows. So anyway, I went through Salt Lake, and I was like, this is. some of the best television of all time, Breaking Bad, Real House was Salt City,

Mad Men, Mash, the wire. I was, like, blown away. So then I did, then I did a little Survivor, which I never watched, but I did, like, a Survivor binge, a couple selected seasons, which I got really into. I also wanted to know, like, the Parvety origin. She fascinates me in Boston Rob. And then I went to, I was reading a bunch of stuff about this. fellow named Jacks. And I was like, who is this Jacks, Taylor that everyone keeps writing about? And I was like, oh, they keep mentioning a show called The Valley. Let me watch the Valley. So I watched the Valley. And then I was like, what? This is a person in culture that has been allowed to exist in culture. And I was like, I need to know how he came to be. And how long have we known that he is like this and we let him be here. So I started Vanderpomp, episode one, season one, killed the whole thing, redid the Valley with all my context. And I was like, oh my God.

Doty. So I like knew everything. And then Chino shows up, Sheena, la la, I know you now. You're my friends. Wow. And then now, per Andy's suggestion, because when I finished Vanderpump,

I was like, what do I do? And he was like, New York, season one. Go. Yeah. They are in Morocco in season four. Scary Island just happened. Wow. You're in the thick of it.

Yeah, Ramona is behaving weirdly, but that will be true for every season. For I was sure I think. It's fascinating, like watching Vanderpump from the beginning. beginning and having remembered like the headlines of Scandival but not having been a watcher of the show I was like every time he and Raquel sorry Rachel were in the same space I was like the fact that the headlines didn't even get you to watch isn't that weird that is I was like I must educate myself on what happened because it's geopolitically important for a moment it was it really was and then

when Ariana started hosting Love Island which I've watched from the first season in the UK I was like who is this fabulous beautiful person where'd you come from and even that didn't get me to watch it but I'm busy you know it's like all these Love Islands all these traitors all these stuff tests all the like I watch what's playing while I do everything in my life that doesn't require my full brain

I'm so glad that you had time to come here honestly it's a brief break from New York I will go right back to watching the show if traitors like elevated to the point where it was casting actors and musicians and not just your reality TV folk, would you ever be tempted to do it? First of all, I hope they never do that because we will ruin it really fast.

You think? Yes. Because you're too good. We're too publicist-y. I say that would love for my own kind. But like, you guys are doing a craft like that is fundamentally different and really hard. And to be a version of yourself that is like has a protective persona layer to it but is also authentically you for so many hours on.

television is so much harder than anyone can possibly know. We're not ready. We can't, we're not capable of it. I'm serious. It wouldn't be good television. We would just be, we wouldn't take any risks. We don't have an internal sense of, like, how to create storylines. I mean, other than the people in pop culture who have been adjacent to reality TV, like, think about who makes headlines. Like, I spend my, I do everything I can to avoid making a headline. Like, I'm allergic to it. If I had to, like, generate my own storyline, I would just be at a loss. It would go against all my instincts. So I don't think it's a good idea. I want Mary Cosby in the turret so badly. I can't. She already dresses like she's filming the traitors. She dressed. Her clothing is so Scotland

coated. So true. She needs to be up there. I need to see. She would never wear the hood, but it's fine. I need her, yeah, around the round table, like arguing with people about why she's not a traitor. I want to know how she feels about peacocks. Like I was hoping, by the way, episode of Salt Lake was so traitorsy. I was like, this feels like a crossover already. It's making me easier for me to imagine Mary there. Would you do it? Yeah, I want to do it.

I've been asked every season. Couldn't because of schedule. Last season, I said yes temporarily. Then we got the age of attraction opportunity. And it was, it overlapped. Yeah. Someday. It is tough.

I mean, I said yes, but then it was like, I don't, I'm not that interesting. in being away from River for like three weeks. It does feel long. Everyone falls apart by the end for that reason. You know, the most I've been without her was like three days. Could you guys not go and stay in the, because they don't stay in that house? They stay in a hotel, right?

Could you go? I don't know. Maybe, but like, you know, they didn't ask the first season. Okay. The second season they asked. And I said, no, this was before Nadi was like part of the show. And I was like, I'm, we're, I can't leave the show. You know, we're like a daily show.

And then I said yes When I did Because I was like Oh my wife's got this You know like she I can Everyone in the comments Are like no

So I'm like I could peace out for a couple weeks So like Yeah it's feasible So but if she came with You know Yeah then I That changes it

It'd be tough So someday Someday What if you had to be on the show To do that Would you be on the show There was a couple In one of the seasons

In maybe New Zealand I think They did it together. Yeah. I didn't tell anyone, though. It was very stupid strategically. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Like a Larsa and Michael.

My dream for Natalie is to get her on dancing with the stars. Let's put it out there. That would be iconic. Do you know anyone? I don't know if I'm like, do I know anyone? I know. It's just, it's in your control. Would you want to do it as well?

I think I would, yeah. I mean, I think I would, I'd want to do anything anyone offered. Like, hey, I'm one to only fans. Please! anything anyone's offer and i'll take wiki see it sponsors do you have a dance background i don't have a dance background no i feel like you'd be good though because you give off that vibe i have a ticot dance back honestly i have never and could never and cannot and can't figure out how to do it the way you guys dance like you don't care but it's perfect is so something i'm just never going to be

capable of i'm too much of a try hard i'm a try hard i'm too tight back but you're also a ticot genius what are you even talking about? Yeah. But that kind of like casual dancing where it's still like perfect is so. Floy. Yeah, you look bored. Like I've never been able to like look bored. Like I'm just not bored ever.

I can't muster that level of cool. I'm really locked in. Yeah. It's so impressive. Even like Whitney from Mormon wives like I would never assume that she can pull that off because she also cares like she's a headband wear. But she can do. I don't know.

I'm in awe. I'm so impressed. Yeah. Are you watching Dancing the Stars? Or do you see the clips? I've never watched Dancing with Stars. Really? It's really fun to get into.

It is fun. I mean, the clips, you know. Watch clips. Are you in town, though? Like, you should go tomorrow when they film. You should go in person. Oh, but the New York. She's a busy bee.

It's a marathon. In person, it's really fun. The show, the live show. I'm sure. They all take track of it. We try to go once a season possibly to, like, you know, say hi to old friends, but it's a bit of a marathon. They seat everyone that's recognizable in one place.

I'm guessing. It's certainly the front row. Do you have to save for the full taping or can you sneak in and out? No, you have to save for the full taping. I mean, I guess if you left, but. When we were there last week, it was dedication night and they had Elaine Hendricks, right, dancing. With Chartertrap, with Lisa. Dennis Quaid.

And they danced to Everlasting Love. It was very parent trap coded and was very nostalgic. Oh, my Green is, like, struggling to handle this, but I think I see what you're describing. I didn't. Yeah, it was my fault. I didn't. I actually have one silly question for you. Oh, my God. I was hoping you would ask me something. She had a whole game ready for you. She had just like staring it longingly across the room.

Well, you guys were having a really nice conversation. I didn't want to interrupt. But who do you think would win in a fight? Megan or Angie Katzinavas? Oh, my God. Great question. I love that you're thinking really hard about this. Really hard. Yeah. I'm just stuck on their hair right now.

Is Megan coming for her heart or her business? Listen. Suit, man. Black cards Superman Superman Did she say Megan wins in any

setup because she is the internet and like it's not a fair fight but Angie is a worthy foe I'm just saying What about Nick? Do you think

Nick versus Megan? Yeah or I thought you were like Nick versus Angie I'll let her have it No I know no offense I know she would win that

Megan just wins in any Like she even be Annabelle Like she just She has Chuckie Yeah Chuckie

Jack Taylor He's just like a problematic Yeah Give her a run Jack Taylor Let's just say Chuckie and Jack Taylor Don't have

They have some They're never in the same room Yeah They're never in the same room It's crazy Yeah Megan's She's pretty unstoppable

You guys I don't want this And I had questions for you guys Oh well I maybe Can I invite myself back Whenever you want

My voice will sound better I kind of like it Like this Should I keep it? Should I just make sure I yell as much as Angie Kay yells so that it stays like this? You should preface by letting people know you have a bit of a cold rather than... It's not even a cold. I would not do that to you guys because you're already dealing with a sexy voice. No, it's just I feel like 100% healthy. I just have this voice during a press tour, which is the coolest thing my body's ever done to me.

It's crazy. Yeah. Well, regretting you is out in theaters on Friday. Yeah. Yeah. Check it out. I'm so excited. Thanks for coming.

Thank you for having me, you guys. Come back. me for so many hours of my life i'm so grateful well anytime you're on a press tour or when you're not on a press tour you're just like i literally will just like come by come to come to like an ask nick episode with me one day do you ever let the async episodes where you give dating advice to people i'm obsessed with them come via special guests we had dylan effron do it i know yeah the the sleuthiest sleuth uh all right well you promise i swear to god okay okay love it allison williams everybody awesome William

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