The Viall Files - E1049 Vicki Gunvalson Nick Hit By A Car Rob Reiner Tragedy Rhobh Sc Bronwyns Separation Diddy Doc

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

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It's a reference to our old episode. Vicki Gunnvelson is returning to the Vile Files fresh off of her being brought back. Her orange exuberance moments. So that's another reason that we're. receiving an orange, yes. That's another reason to be tropical. Right. But you have lays on Christmas trees, and I don't think orange has grown in Hawaii.

And she was in Mexico, and this is Hawaii. She joined from the beach. Yes. And so now we are on the beach. And we are on a... I didn't buy these decorations. I did buy the decorations, but I typed in beach party. Right.

Right. Anyways, Vicki Gumvelson returns. And if you don't know what we're talking about, the first time we saw, spoke with Vicki. She was, I guess, on vacation. On vacation. At lunch. She was eating a Chinese chicken salad on the beaches of Mexico.

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It's free to sign up. Go to Valfiles.com. You won't regret it. Guys, I got hit by a car. What? Yeah. Okay. Hard pivot.

Let's hear about this. Show your wound. I saw when you walked in. Yeah, please explain. And his whole leg is really scary. Oh, my God. No, I almost died. So please explain.

Were you in a car or you were like crossing a street? I was crossing a street. Okay. Yeah, it was at an intersection. And I crossed the street. And it was one of those intersections. where it's several lanes. And I honestly don't, not sure what happened,

because it all happened in a blink of an eye. But I walked across and I got like clip and I heard this thud. And I like, I think I spun around. I'm not sure. I definitely should have died. Like if it was like if I stepped a foot further out, like if like a split second difference in timing,

I'm dead for sure. And the car was gone. Or if I'm not dead, I have serious bodily injuries. Yeah. Were you alone? I was. But no. Did you call Natalie right after?

No. I mean, like my life flash before my eyes and I felt incredibly guilty about, you know, just like what happens if I died. Oh my God. If I left my wife and my child. And then this is how I know we're living in a matrix. Well, first of all, the person who hit me, I think they pulled over. And in this person's defense, don't know who it was. I don't even know what they were driving.

I think they don't even know what happened. They probably didn't even like know what they hit. because I wasn't on the ground. I just, like, peeled off to the sidewalk and I was definitely startled. And I was definitely like, I should be dead. I think I'm okay. Oh, my God.

I definitely have, like, and I had, like, scratches on my hand, and I was sore, and my ankle felt, like, sore. Soar, I just felt sore. But I was like, is this soreness, like, do I have internal? Is my head about to fall off? Am I going to wake up dead? No, literally, it was just like, that should. I shouldn't be okay.

I was walking home. I was like on a walk. So I'm like, I think I'm fine. So I'm just going to like walk home and just see if I'm okay. Wait, so the driver didn't stop? The driver pulled over and I saw them, but I was just kind of rattled. This is how I know we live in a matrix. Someone did pull over to check on me.

Oh, wow. Yeah, so that's what's good. And they're like, are you okay? I'm like, I think I am. Like, I think I'm okay. Like, that was crazy. And I'm like, you look familiar. Oh, my God.

Whoa. He's like, yeah, I'm an actor. And I'm like. Oh, you said it. I said, I think you look familiar. Who was it? It was the actor who, for the guy on the progressive car insurance commercials. Oh, my God.

It was chaos? Not chaos. Okay. That's Allstate. That would have been even trippier. Not Dennis from 30 Rock. It's the one who's always with flow. He's always with flow.

I know the man of which you speak. Yeah. Lovely gentleman. Dr. Rick? Did he offer you insurance? I did a commercial with the other, not flow, but there's a younger, there's like a new younger flow.

Yeah, yeah. I've done a commercial with her. I've worked with her in two different different occasions. Yeah, that guy. Jim Cashman. Yes. Shout out Jim Cashman. Shout out Jim Cashman.

Shout out Jim Cashman for being a good Samaritan. But how trippy that a car insurance. No, literally. Pulled over to check on me. And that's on good product placement. Yeah. Shout out progressive car insurance. Are you switching?

So then I am sitting at the park with River and I'm like, there's like, you know, drama going on at the park. So I call Nick. that he's walking home and I'm like, oh my God, like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da, listen to this and listen to that. And he's like, yeah, well, listen, babe. So I'm okay, but I did get hit by a car. I was like, what?

Yeah, it was kind of spooky because I'm like, I definitely need to tell now. I don't keep things from her. But I was just like, how do I say this in a way that doesn't freak her out? And it was definitely like a very eerie feeling the rest of the weekend because it was like, that just happened. Yeah. Like, yeah.

Whoa. It's like the kind of thing of like when you, have you ever been driving and a car crash happens like right next to you and you swerve and avoid it? I guess. But this was like I got hit by the car. That's happened to me a couple of times and I'm just like, near death experience. Wait, what's your, so you cut your hand up. How did that even happen?

I don't know. I think it hit my bottom half and my, my, my hands probably down. But I think it just like clipped me. Like it honestly just doesn't take much for a car to fuck you up. I think it just got me by like a millimeter. car not slowing down? Like the car was driving full? I don't think the car honestly don't know because it would know. It was like a stop sign

on all I thought all the cars were just stopped you know and I just I cross and I think this car I don't know you know I don't honestly don't know what happened. Maybe they were turning and they had a turn you know and didn't see you. Yeah. I don't think they were going very fast. They were probably going 10 miles per hour. I don't think it takes much.

No. Wow. I'm glad you're okay. There's moments I remember that like angels are watching after us and I'm glad there was one watching you. Honestly, growing up Catholic, it was very guardian angel. I was literally thinking of my grandma who would always say shit. Like when, you know, like the people in your lives, I'm not a very like religious guy anymore, but it was definitely like I got some people watching out. And the same way they push you just one step further.

It really felt like an angel like had my back. It was really crazy. I'm glad you're okay. Yeah, me too. Because now I was like, what would I do? Literally. Like, what would I do? Well, then I said you'd take over.

Yeah. I can't imagine. We would always leave that chair in the thing. Aw. Today would have been a really weird. No. It would have been really weird to walk into this decor. That would have been a present if you would have showed up today for work.

And this is how I showed up with fucking Lance and Nick would have wanted this. All right. Let's run the show. That would have been real awkward for me. Well, I don't know how to transition to this because it's very sad news. But Rob Reiner, Hollywood legend, actor, director. unfortunately passed away last night. And a very, what seems to be a lot of information is coming out,

seems to be very tragic. Initial reports is that him and his wife were unfortunately, I guess, trigger alert, I don't know, murdered by allegedly their son. It seems like, again, there's a lot of stories coming out right now. We're recording this Monday morning. Forgive us if we get anything wrong. Obviously, we're just looking at what the news is, what's being reported. But it seems like Rob's son, it sounds like he's been struggling with some maybe drug

mental health problems over the years. But it's a very tragic story. Rob Reiner, director of when Harry met Sally. Misery. The Princess Bride. Spinal tap. Spinal tap. A few good men.

A few good men. Stand by me. Stand by me. He was in. He was, you know, Carl Reiner's son, obviously. He was in, all in the family. He was meathead and all of the family. Played the dad and Wolf of Wall Street.

Jess's dad, a new girl. Just amazing. Like, legend. No one has ever had like a generational run like he did of like the films that he made. Family movies. Like just feel good. Like movies that really touched your heart in a lot of ways. What art?

Culturally iconic movies. Yeah. And just like what art is supposed to be about and what like makes you feel like you have a soul when you like look at another person and just feel like they're there. Anyways, it's a tragedy. And I don't know how how these dark things happen. We don't want to report too much information because again, a lot of. information is coming out. But we do know that, unfortunately, Rob Reiner and his wife have passed away.

I don't know how to also pivot for that other than like, are you, are you staying on the train of heartbreaking, heartbreaking, terrible things. Yeah, we. The diddy documentary. Diddy doc on Netflix? Are you anyone? Well, now that I watched it. I watched some, yeah. It is just like, disturbing.

First of all, the fact that 50 cent is producing it. What a G. What I mean, just like. Let's get him on this show. I have so many questions for 50 cents. But it just makes you wonder. Like this man was so, like, loved by everyone in Hollywood. It, like, showing all these old interviews, like him on Ellen and him, you know, like doing all these things with all these celebrities.

And it's just like, how many other awful people are there that, you know, it just like makes you wonder. Like, oh my God, this man was protected. You know, people say this a lot about this town in Hollywood. Like, yeah, it's, listen. I've been a lot of wonderful good people in this, in L.A. and in this town and in this industry. But, like, it is an industry that is right for bad actors, you know, especially those people who are able in positions of power because there are so many people in control of other people's dreams. And to become rich and famous and have us, you know, that type of dream. And, like, him getting Tupac and Biggie killed.

Yeah, spoiler. It seems pretty clear by this doc that, yeah, Diddy probably is somehow involved in Tupac's death. And as his former work associate and friends said in this documentary, that he definitely ushered Biggie to his death. And then made Biggie pay for this big funeral. He's like, I'm going to give him the biggest funeral that the whole world has ever seen. And he's like, but it'll come out of Biggie's paycheck. And told the world that, like, him and Biggie were, like, best friends when they weren't really that closer friends. Like, I remember, I'm old enough to remember.

I was in eighth grade when this all went down. And you heard about the east side, west side, like, obviously, like. Rap beef. And it was, like, Biggie and Tupac hated each other. Biggie and Tupac didn't hate each other. They were tight. They were cool. They were just, like, two cats living on opposite side of the country making, like, sick music.

And, and obviously all this other stuff kind of unfolded. but like when Biggie passed, like P. Diddy, Puff Daddy, whatever he's going by, Sean Combs. Did he did all these interviews talking about how like it's his best friend. He like assumed the role of Biggie's best friend and then launched it like it's so dark because like he was this. We all knew him as producer. But that's how P. Diddy got his music career by basically being allegedly involved in offing Tupac and Biggie to like icons of like rap and hip hop music over the generation. And it's dark. They got Biggie's mom interviewed. Like, she's in the doc. And she talks about how she hates Sean Combs.

And, like, it's just a crazy how his sons were involved in so much. You know, like, he has all of these children with Kim Porter. Yeah, like he basically, they allege that he basically groomed his sons to also be monsters and killers. Crazy. It's the craziest documentary ever. Like ruining people's lives with contracts. And the fact that, like, Cassie really. really only had that one song,

Me and You, and then he wouldn't let her, like, release anything else. So anyway, if you're not washing it, and you know, if you're old enough to know anything about Biggie or Tupac or have any thoughts of opinions on how it all went down, you need to watch this. This was a guy who, like, didn't pay anyone, right?

Like, they interview Lil Rod. He's a producer, uh, artist. I believe he helped with, uh, the song Miracles by Justin Bieber. He produced pretty much Diddy's entire last album. They sat down with him and he was like,

I worked with him for years on this album and he has paid me $29,000. Wow. And that's it. And he owes me so much money and he would wake up and there would be all these calls from Diddy and text from Diddy being like, yo man, like it's coming. Just chill. Just chill. So he clearly wasn't paying the people

in his orbit. And so he would follow. So he had this this videographer follow him around and videotape everything, like the days leading up to his arrest, he has this, like, kid videoing him. And it's clear he probably didn't pay him. And so that's why we have all this footage is because somebody was like, hey, we'll pay you for this. 50. 50. And so it's just crazy. He had just documented, I mean, just had someone follow him every day and document everything he did. It is kind of crazy seeing things being retold to where it's like, I remember, the VMA, I think, performance or whatever.

It was an award show performance where it was like right after Biggie Pass and it was like Faith Hill or not Faith Hill, Faith Evans and everybody like coming out and you're just thinking that like, oh my God, this like bad boy family so strong so whatever. And then like seeing what was going on in the background and like how she didn't want to come out and sing and him threatening her and all this stuff. And you're just like, it's so weird having seen it one way and then knowing exactly what was going on 20 years later, but nobody said anything or like could say anything. Same thing with like Aubrey O'Day and Dan and.

Kane, like watching that group on making the band. And then you see, you like, oh. Can I say Aubrey was my favorite when I was watching that show. And I never understood why he was so mean to her, like wanting to kick her out. And then it's like, you see what's going on behind closed doors. And it's just like, that is so sad. It's crazy. It's a crazy documentary.

You guys got to watch it. I really do. Also, shout out to Danity Kane. They performed over their last week. Yeah. I did. I saw that. They got back together.

Did they? Yeah. Minus Don. Staying on the sad, reports are coming in. Bronwyn and Todd are separating. Allegedly. Guys, I hate it when I'm right. I knew you're going to say that.

I don't get any joy in this. I'm really sad. I really am sad. I'm very sad about this situation. First, it's like, it's a kind of report. We don't know. It's all over the news. But this is, you say allegedly, People magazine put out

Real Housewives of Salt Lake City star, Bronwyn Newport, and husband, Todd Bradley separate after nine years of marriage exclusive. This is not like allegedly, this is not like maybe they are. It's not coming from Browen or Todd. Bronwyn's representative tells people this was a mutual decision made with care and respect for one and another. Bronwyn has spoken out. I guess I missed a new headline. Capital S separated, it seems.

Well, reports were I think at least came out, our friend of show, Carlos King, who was closely connected with many of the production and producers of being a former Housewife producer himself. I guess caught wind that this was allegedly discussed at the taping of the reunion. Yes. It was supposed to be a bombshell at the reunion. And then it leaked. Yeah. Shocker.

I mean. And he said there's no way to trace back who would have leaked it if that's the case. Well, you have. Well, no. I mean, listen. Tamara judge. You guys always think it's like from the host. Could have been a PA.

I would have texted my fund on set. Oh, yeah. No. I would literally. You have all these PAs. You have all. You have all. Like, there's hundreds of people.

all round. Everyone loves gossip. Yeah. Honestly, I think though, it ends up doing better for, like, promotion. It doesn't stop people. The people who were going to, the people who are interested in the spoilers want to know the spoilers doesn't stop from watching. And, like, a lot of people are just, like, half the normal lives are not deep into the weeds, you know, looking at.

Well, if anything, it's like, oh, I want to now watch how this announcement is made and what is said about it. I mean, you're never going to get the gag of Haitian mortition that way. Yeah, this would have been crazier to see it, like, in the lives. Of a reality. Sure. Audible gas. But it is, it just shows you how much reality TV ruins relationships. And it's like, we don't know for sure. Come on.

They've been married nine years. Their life's now under a spotlight. But what's the chance that? Maybe it would have happened in 10 more years. Well, listen, unfortunately, this is going to raise a lot of questions in Browen's apartment. Was it the show? Did the show come between them? You know, were they, were they a, you?

united front before they started filming and then the pressure and the bright lights of stardom affect their relationship were was the relationship already crumbling. Did you bring him on the show because you knew you could leave after a while? Did he want you to do the show so you had

an income coming through? Like there's so many questions. Well, she did there is no prenum. I know, but like, yeah. People say that about like Kelsey Grammer and Camille that's like she brought her on the show so that she had a job. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. He had a mistress. Yeah. That's more like giving them something to do and preoccupying someone.

This is a reverse, this is a reverse Kelsey Graham. Yes. Allegedly. Allegedly. We don't really know the detail. It would appear. Well, in terms of her intentions, we are assuming we know Kelsey's grammar's intentions. We don't know Todd or Brawins.

Here is my take on this and this is for legal purposes. This is a joke. And purely just based on some beautiful, beautiful fan edits I've been seeing online. Justin knows what I'm talking. you about. I'm just saying if Bronwyn's single now, I've been seeing some incredible Bronwyn and Whitney fan cams.

Oh my God. Are you, are you You know, a moment that we didn't talk about though on last week's episode was when Whitney was did that. And those are in the fan cams. Okay. Yeah. These editors are so talented. Don't you think? I don't think it's real. I just think it's the power of the edit

is amazing. The relationship's a little still a little hot before you start speculating about sexual orientation. I mean, I'm not actually speculating. I just think the fan edits are really funny. Listen, maybe Bronman just got tired of him stealing her cherries, and she was just like, I just want to eat a Sunday alone.

It was crazy this morning. This morning, I made coffee, and I grabbed one of our few Starbucks coffee mugs, this one from Paris. And it made me think one less tourist going around bringing his wife coffee cups from Starbucks. I did the same thing when I went to my family's house and they had like a wall full of them.

And I was like, how do be best friends with them? Well, we do have Lisa Barlow who posted a video shortly after Bronwyn and Todd's separation was reported. And it's her and John walking the streets of Utah. Walking the streets of Park City. And she's like, we've been together 23 years. Anyone who thinks we're not crazy about each other. We just love each other so much. We're going to our bar right now or lounge.

We just wanted to show you how beautiful the street is and how in love we are. I love her, but that's so petty. Why do you? Is she not, I mean, I guess she's not getting along with Browland? I mean, they have been thus far. I mean, they're the relationship that's like, we're going to make up with this conversation and we're going to like go forward being friends. Next scene. Some one's true.

So, yeah. Bad, bud, you know. You know. I feel like next season, Salt Lake City, it's going to be pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, we wish Ton and Browen nothing but the best. And, you know, listen, it's...

And Lisa and John. I'm just kidding. I mean, listen, I don't know what caused this, whatever. You know, Browen is entitled to live her life. And we don't need... I've never met Todd. You know, we don't know. But it is sad to see a relationship end.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Maybe that's why she wouldn't come on the show with him. What's weird, though, is that she was, like, it opened to the idea for a moment. And that wasn't too long ago. I don't know. It's sad. But, yeah. I hope it's a rumor. I think also what I hate about it is it's like when Browen came on, you know,

and like you had this relationship and a lot of people wanted to nitpick Browen and Todd. And I hate that the streets were right, you know? Yeah. I hate that they immediately attacked this relationship and everything, you know, I wanted to believe it was just the hitters hating, but they ended up being right. What are you going to do? Did you see the photos of Kyle Cook at the fans? house?

Oh my gosh. Amanda Petula said this is not true. So someone posted these photos of it. They look like Snapchat photos of Kyle Cook like in someone's house. Time stamped. And what's so time stamped.

And what's so funny is the caption that this person sent is like, help, he's still here. Wait, like it says like 528 a.m. And then underneath it, she's like, he's still here. And he's like clearly setting up to play beer pong. Then there's another photo that's of him about to shotgun.

a Trulley, which is a competitive brand. What does his her? What does she have to do with this? This is what caused their beef, right? Was that she, she did a sponsored ad for Truly and that they

got into it because he was like, you're supposed to be supporting lover boy. And that's what he also got mad at Craig for doing something like that too. He partnered with Spritz society. Yeah. That's a little, I mean, I'm not defending in any way, Kyle here. But the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I don't think Kyle's right here, but what I'm just saying, it's, we understand that Kyle's like the brain shell behind. Loverboy? No. Summer House.

Summer House. Yeah, yeah. And so he probably thought a certain way for Hannah to do a sponsored post of his brand on a show that he helped, you know,

get her off or something. It's a little different than Craig. He's on a completely different show. Sure. But I will say if that was on her personal, like, social media that she did an advert. She didn't,

like, bring the truly on to Summer House. No, I mean, listen, I'm team. But then for him to be, like, at this party, like, shotgunning a truly is clearly, like, he's not all. No, the team lover boy. The craziest part is that allegedly, not allegedly, apparently Amanda commented underneath one of these posts and saying, the worst part is this isn't the, like, this isn't the night that I'm talking about. It doesn't match the timeline. And it's just like, so you mean to tell me there's multiple nights that he's just out at 6 a.m.

At someone's house? Beyond recognition of being a human. where the people are like, help, he's still here. Nothing behind the eyes. They want him out of their house and he's still there. You ever seen that TikTok of the guy that's dancing and it's like, it's 5 a.m. Everyone's gone and he's still here. I mean, there's always one at every party.

I just didn't think. Kyle was that guy? Still? Yeah, but like you can't, you don't get to go on the show and like make Amanda out to be this like lazy, doesn't help, not ready to have children, not ready to be a mother and all this stuff and like all this criticism towards her. And then this is what you're doing. Like, if I were Amanda, I, too, would be like, having a child with who?

It literally comes back to them, was it reunion last season where she's like, you are not ready for a child. Your, like, your actions are not saying, like, hey, I'm ready for children. Could you magic? No, honestly, if that were my partner, like, mortifying. And I don't know what he says behind closed doors, but saying, well, once the baby comes is not. Is there any chance they're, like, I think maybe I'm just the naive lover boy that I'm. am and i'm always like listen i just think if you're going to do these shows you know you got to have your priorities you know it's like this is my you know if if i can do this without it coming in between

this then i'm okay with it but it's just like all these stories over the years between kyle and amanda you know at at on one level they seem like you know when it was jesse suleman a couple years ago in the in the comments like hitting on Amanda nice cans yeah that was last year and they're just kind of like, they kind of always lean in as if like, hey, we just, we're just glad you're talking about us. Like, it's all doing it for the plot. And then listen, if that's true, good for you guys. Like, good for you for being that connected and that securing your relationship and you guys can go off to work and feed your family. Hell yeah. I'm impressed. But like, then this makes it seem like that's not what's going on, you know? Like, we want to wish the best for these people,

but it kind of comes across as one person's doing something. The other person is, you know, the other person is reluctantly putting up with it and just doing whatever they can to make it work. And putting on a good face because like the alternative is sucks. Do you think that they might have what the kids are calling a swag gap in their relationship?

Have you guys heard about this? No, I'm 30. This morning. So basically Gen Z-Daters are saying that there's a swag gap that's becoming a deal breaker in relationships, which is they're they're referencing

like Haley and Justin Bieber Benny Blanco and Selena Gomez of just like when someone is very put together and the other person's I guess kind of like rompy. You are referencing two relationships that work. I know. I'm not saying I agree with it but like I do wonder if there is

something too like I think you guys are flagged. Yeah I kind of feel like Genzi's finding new ways to make dating so much harder. I think people saw that Whoopi Goldberg headline of like I don't want anyone in my house and just really ran with it. That's what I think is happening. What?

Have you seen that headline? No, but also what does that have to do with? I just think a lot of like Gen Z daters, to be honest, just don't want to be in a relationship. Listen, I feel for you guys, in all seriousness, I just in the sense that like I think dating culture is hard. It's hard. Internet has ruined dating. Online dating is ruined dating. Social media is ruined and dating.

And then now people are having a hard time making. And what always happens when things like when we have a hard time doing something, it's sometimes easier just to say, well, I don't want the thing. That's hard to get. It's easier to be like, you know what? I'd rather be alone. I'm better off alone. I'm better off alone. And it's not, listen, being comfortable being alone, a really important part of most people's lives. Like my ability to like, I really dominated my singles as a 30 year old man. And like, thank God because it got dark. You know, but like I learned to be comfortable being a. great third and fifth wheel. It's a great right of passage. To be a third and fifth. It's really fun to third wheel. It is. To be, yeah. And sometimes you're really proud of yourself. You're like, I'm actually, I'm doing it. I'm having fun. Like, I'm totally alone. Everyone else is in love. I'm sitting here. Normally, I just want to like end it all. But like, I'm doing okay. I'm so secure. Yeah. I'm doing okay. It's a nice little moment. But like, now you guys are being told to just give the fuck up. And now you're coming up with stupid fucking reasons of why like, you shouldn't, you shouldn't

like someone or shouldn't like you. It's just like, get your heart broken. Get your heart smashed. Yeah, it's just like, I think Gen Z just has like this terrible fear of vulnerability in every single sense, not just romantically, but there's like a lack of earnestness. And there's a lack of, you said something in like an Asnaker update or something recently where it's like, you have to be willing to get your heart crushed. And I think a lot of people are so scared of getting their heart crushed that they're just going to come up with a swag gap instead. You know what? You guys also don't have like real good rom-coms. And I kind of think, that that kind of is what, like, raised our generation to where it was like,

we'll be blind to red flags as long as we bump in to each other. From the 90s, I need an update. RIP Rob. I know. I just saw Reese Witherspoon being like, they need to make more rom-coms. Bring back those toxic relationships we all used to, like, fall in love with. Do you know? Not or just fall in like, are you gas lining me?

Guys, start getting your heartbroken. Fall in love. Get out there. Just get messy. Just like, you know? You know who is successfully dating. and we can end here. Taylor Frankie Paul.

Is Taylor Frankie Paul engaged? Well, someone posted on TikTok being like, because Taylor Frankie Paul posted last night was one of the best nights of my life, can't wait to talk about it in six months, LMFAO. Giving, they had the proposal a couple days ago. Giving a little tease. Maybe she's engaged to someone. Then we have someone make a TikTok being like,

I think Taylor Frankie Paul is engaged. Michaela Matthews likes said TikTok. Guess who was Jess with Michaela Taylor. Confir. She's back with the girls. I mean, listen, you know, I don't know who's in charge these days. But every, you know, every season, like you have the executive producers making a decision depending on the storyline. Sometimes, like when I was The Bachelor, it was like, well, this guy was the unlucky and love Bachelorette.

So did he actually find love this time? Did he not? Is he still a lonely loser? Tune in Monday night to find out. So I wasn't allowed to say that I found love. Right. You know, because it was like he could,

he really could be a lonely loser. Like this could be his fate. Other seasons, the lead's been allowed to be like, I'm happily engaged. Tune in to find out who I picked and follow my journey. Oh my God, I can't wait for this season.

I would buy a T-shirt that said Lonely Loser. I know. It probably would crush for Gen Z. Merch. Lonely loser. Well, it's our favorite time. You know what we're talking about. It's time to celebrate the holidays with the household

brought to you by Amazon. Last week, we decorated this beautiful studio with the help of Rufus, Amazon's AI. And I got to say, Rufus crushed it. Absolutely stunning. Stunning here. Well, this week, we are playing some secret Santa. And wouldn't you know it, my wife and I got each other.

We are just so connected. Connected. Just mind, body, spirit. We are. I said, give me Mary and I got my husband. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. I got Mary. So. Oh, yeah. Well, and you're in good hands. You're in good hands. That's great. I got Justin. Oh. Yeah. And she knows me well. Well, as a little reminder, all of these gifts are under $50. Because we're all shopping on a budget as most people are this holiday season. Wouldn't she know it? Amazon's got some great options at amazing prices. I think you'll be shocked at what we were able to get under $50. $50.

Through the help of Rufus AI, who's gone first? I think you go first. So as soon as I pulled Nick out of the hat, I was like, oh my gosh, I've already got all of my ideas spent on our actual Christmas together. I have no idea. I'm ideaed out, you know? So I went to Rufus, Amazon's AI assistant, and I was like, Rufus, how are you first? Of course.

I had to check in. And then I was like, what do I get my husband who is super stressed, always is asking for a massage and my hands are so tired, you know. And Rufus responded with a masseuse. Well, why don't you just take that masseuse out? Open it up and see. A heating pad. Yes.

A shoulder heating pad. Yeah. You can feel held and taken care of. It just wraps around my shoulders. It gives you like a nice warm hug. And the stress just stress away. I didn't even want a masseuse. This is something.

much better. You're welcome. Thank you. Well, don't thank me. Thank you, Rufus. But thank you, sweetheart. You are welcome. I will appreciate this.

And I can't wait to use that tonight. So I will be borrowing that. The gifts that keeps on getting. Are you ready for me to go? Yeah. So what did Nick get? Oh. Thank you, Rufus, AI.

Liptin. How did you know? Rufus. I'm jealous. I've been wanting this one for a while. Oh my gosh. It's true. What shade?

I've been using Rufus for a long time now, to be honest, because I don't have any good ideas. What did you ask Rufus? Like what do you get the smartest, most sophisticated, most glamorous, most refined, most beautiful woman in the world with amazing qualities and beautiful lips? And Rufus responded with lip gloss. Of course. There's only one answer.

What do you give the girl who has it all? Lip gloss. So true. Well, thank you so much. I'm so glad I got my lip gloss. And are you so glad that you got? I'm using it already in my mind. Yeah, you know what I really, really love about these kinds of gifts is that I think

Rufus sees that a lot of gifts for your husband are just gifts for you. And that's all it is at the end of the day. I was going to say also, once you reach a certain level of being a couple, isn't each person's gift just both of our gifts? Exactly. You know what I mean? This is an amazing gift because my shoulders are tight and tired constantly. And while my wife certainly will use this gift, I do appreciate it.

Something about Nick that y'all don't know is sometimes... Don't tell them. Tell us. Sometimes he gets these things that we... call the chilies to the point where he gets like and they usually happen in moments where you might be naked where he gets so cold that he like has to go he has to go and get the blow dryer and stand in front of the blow dryer and blow himself until his body regulates but he like is like his whole body is shaking it gives her the egg it's gross well now you have a heating pad

So now you can use your heating pad when you get the chilies and you don't have to use electricity from. It's a great gift, babe. I really appreciate it. I love you. You're welcome. I love me too. And you can use my peptide at any time. Yeah, get a little glossy.

Any time. We can share it. A little plump. All right. Well, we are going to continue to celebrate the holidays with the household next week when Mary, Justin, and Sierra exchanged their secret Santa gifts. So be sure to tune in then to find out what else you get under $50. That's really the big key here. Yes.

How creative can you get? So much, by the way. Well, don't forget to visit Amazon and look for the Rufus icon for smarter, more affordable holiday shopping that makes holiday gifting dress free. Well, we do have Vicki Gumblson and she is up next.

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Last time I was in Port of Yard on the beach, and I didn't know who you were. Now I met you. Now we're on the beach. Well, my team wanted to have some fun and they decorated the studio in honor of your return. I told Leah that this is giving Hawaii and not Mexico.

It is. And that she should culturally know the difference. Yeah, we don't wear hula skirts in Mexico. It's just beach. It's just beach. I got it. She's not impressed. And you may not still know who I am, but it doesn't really matter because you now are back

on the real housewives of O.C. And let's just give it up for a round of applause for our queen, Vicki Gumbleton. Oh my God, scared. I'll be fine. I'll be fine. I'm actually excited about coming back. Sometimes when I got another contract, I wasn't too excited, but I'm excited now. In all serious, Vicki, you know, obviously thanks for joining us and I'm glad you're excited.

But like to your point and jokes aside, is there a level of like, because I think it could be both, right? You can be like really excited to be back and then kind of like, holy shit, what did I just do? Did I really need this? Like you've been, you know, your life is from what we can gather. You're living your best life. You're having fun. Last time we talked to you, you're having lunch on the beaches of Mexico. Like it's kind of like I remember when they asked me to be the bachelor and I was coming off of a popular.

season on Paradise. And I remember saying to the producers, like, shouldn't I quit while I'm ahead? Turns out, I guess I shouldn't have. But like, yeah, how are you feeling, Vicky? It sounds like more excited than nervous, but like, yeah, I just love to get inside your head. I don't like the way the show has turned the last few years. I think it's just become meaningless. And there's a lot of beautiful and wonderful things you can watch on TV and listen on podcasts. And whenever I tried to turn on, RHOC, I was like, I'm wasting an hour of my time. This is, this is ridiculous. I, I couldn't follow what was going on. I think a lot of the fault is the producers that come in and they're trying to create some crazy drama that wasn't even there. So I look at it from a different perspective

on I thought we were supposed to be showcasing our real lives, not being detectives on what we said and what we lied about. And to me, it's just, it has become stupid. And the majority of the people that I speak with, it's like, you got to come on and get the stupid out. When things are going around in a circle and you can't follow who's mad at who and why, Is this what life is about? No. So my hopes is that we can bring it back to, you know, real issues that people are having in their lives, whether it's raising kids, whether it's kids that are sick, whether it's marriage problems, whether it's building businesses. Like, I never even anticipated. I was going to fight with somebody when I went out on reality TV. It was not even part of the rules. I mean, we're just living our life. So, oh my God, I look awful. You agree. I have no, I have no, I worked out this morning. I'm like, oh, fuck. I get to do the stupid Nick Viles thing again.

I don't know what I'm doing it. What's in it for me? I love that is plural. Nick Files. And here we are again. Isn't that your name, Viles, Viles, Viles? We're keeping it all in. That's so good.

Like this, what did Olivia sign me up for again? Now what am I doing? I'm like, how is this benefiting me? Hello. Hello. Well, I mean, listen, Vicki, I don't know. Maybe it's a coincidence. Maybe it's not. But, you know, you did the interview. You were on the file files and now you're back on Housewives. Well, that is the reason. Well, I'm not saying it's the reason, but it's not the reason. That's what we're going to stick to. Yeah. And right before you got your orange, I ran to you at BravoCon. And maybe that had something to do with it. Probably not. But I like to think that we make a great team and we don't even know it. He actually put the orange in Andy's pocket. It was in his back.

pants but okay okay. Still a pocket oh god that's funny but Vicki you make great points honestly like everything you just said about housewives I think many fans listening right now are clap in their hands and snapping their fingers

because yeah I think we are getting a little frustrated and annoyed with like following storylines that seem to be created by like bloggers or even honestly sometimes like podcasts it's like we love doing interviews and like certainly you know when you come on this show or Tamara comes on the show or Katie or whoever. We're certainly going to ask questions

about each other's peers and things like that, but we never expect to become storylines on shows. And sometimes we even see that happening where it's just like, whoa, it's just like, I know. It's so stupid. Like, why are we doing this? But I am, you know, even that, what was the girl's name, the other podcaster, that her name kept being brought up and up and up. What was it? Kinky Monique. I was to say, catty, but like that turned the channel. This is ridiculous. I don't, I can't waste time. We all have a very limited amount of time if we work all day. We come home. We're going to turn something on that inspires us or makes us laugh. I don't want to get out a Ouija board and figure out who's mad at who and why we're doing this. It's not really a newigi board. What is it called? Like scrabble or something. Clue. Clue. What did you think of the reunion ending of the last season where it was basically like Tamara is calling and telling everyone what's going on? allegedly are leaking storylines.

I was with Tamara yesterday, and fortunately, unfortunately, I don't, I didn't watch it because it's wasted energy. I literally have a couple hours at the end of the day after I get home from work, and I'm not going to turn on crap. When I got some of the clips of it, I was like, whose voice is that? Why are they acting like they've been talking to it? It was very confusing, and very weird. I don't know if it was set up. I don't know who's behind it. She thinks it's a certain somebody. So I don't know. I don't know. I think it's all ridiculous. This crypted voice. Why?

Yeah, it was very like spies, undercover, you know, like auto-to-to-voice. That's not what the show is about. Yeah. Well, now. Have you had any conversations with any of the producers yet in terms of like the role you want to play or your expectations or, you know, any of this type of nonsense that you're frustrated with? Have you spoken with them about what you? Of course I have. Okay, you have.

Of course I have. Do you feel good about your ability to come in and make a big splash and change the direction of this show in a positive way? It will. It will be changed. Hold up. My battery's going dead. FML. FML.

B-R-B-R-B. Okay. I just had to put my surge suppressor on. Oh, God. It was off. So anyway, yeah, I've talked to them. They know my stance on it. It's been the same stance forever. So we'll see. We'll see how, I mean, I want to be the EP and I just want to take over.

You and Shannon still thick as thieves? Yeah, Shannon, we don't get to see each other much. I mean, she stays in her little bubble of five-mile radius. I venture out everywhere. She likes Newport-Core and Del Marne. She doesn't really go out very often outside of that circle. Love her to death. But, you know, a lot of the Newport Beach, Kroend Del Marne people just don't leave. They don't go over the bridge. It's crazy. What were you in Tamara doing last night? We went to, oh my God, yesterday we had the TMZ bus all day. And then we went to three bars. We went to Abby, the saddleback and another one. And then afterwards we went to Craigs for dinner. And then afterwards I had to go to with Christian Snow, my podcast friend guy person. We had another charity event that we went to. And I forget the name was for children. You know, so we went. Cross suit. And my boyfriend, Michael, said, don't ever book me that long all day long. I mean, we left at 9 a.m. didn't get home until 10 p.m. Oh, my goodness. And I have, I have not one Christmas decoration up. I have not one Christmas present bought. So we've just been traveling and doing like a Sunday or Saturday I would normally do that stuff and I haven't.

So are you, do you like Christmas shopping? Are you a good gift giver? I am. But I need time. I don't want to be rushed. So I might just do a lot online. What's the perfect gift you can receive? Oh, my love tank filled. I don't like receiving gifts. I like giving gifts. I don't know. You don't like receiving gifts?

I don't need anything. I buy whatever I want. And how could one fill your love tank, Vicki? Just be kind to me, be nice to me. Don't cause drama when there isn't any. I mean, that's my truth. I don't like crap. I don't like crap in my life.

I don't like people in my life that are about. X-Dabbers, I don't, you know, for me, it's just love, love and be kind. Well, we have a cute little game we thought would be fun to play with you, called Hot Mike with Vicki Gumbelson. Okay. And it's just a couple questions and we'll just get your hot mic take on my baby. Oh my God, I look awful. You don't look awful.

You really don't. You're all made up and I'm sitting, okay, I'm playing this camera way far away. Vicki, I don't have, I woke up with no hot shower in our house today and I didn't get to take a shower. Oh, I hate that. My desert house didn't have. I'm wearing a hat. My desert house didn't have gas for a month.

So we were like camping. It's stupid. Oh my L.A. house. What happened? I don't know. He was trying to do some dishes this morning and couldn't get some hot water. It didn't work. And then I tried to go reset the hot water heater.

And it said air 45, which apparently is a leak. Oh, no. Here's our game. Hotline with Picki Carlson. Who is a bigger villain? Tamara or Katie. You're going to get me in trouble. I'm not, take the fifth.

I mean, seriously, I don't, I don't even know why people are mad at Katie. So I can't, I don't even understand that. Who's lying? I agree with you. I don't know. I don't know why that went so weird with Katie. I went to dinner with her and Tamara last night or Friday night with our guys and we're like, what happened?

Because I don't, I can't follow it. It's stupid to me. Gretchen Rossi. That's what happened. Do you think Katie should come back to OC? I know she really wants to. So for me, if anybody really wants to, then they should. I agree. I don't know why she would want to. I asked her that question, why would you want to? After what was done to you, I want to redeem myself. Like, this isn't a redeeming show. No. Well, if she's coming back with a little bit more you and Tamara kind of behind her, maybe she'll have. I don't know. I don't know what happened this season. I don't get it. Why was everybody so mad at her? I don't know. Catch her in love. I guess. Everybody lies. Get over it.

I mean, no, Mickey makes a great point. It's sometimes confusing watching Housewives and someone's one episode, it's someone's being canceled, housewife style for being a liar. And I'm just like, I don't condone lying. But to your point, Vicki, don't they all kind of do that a little bit? Sometimes things get confusing when you are filming a show. Like you said that, XYZ, I'm like, I don't remember staying it, but if I did okay, I know, just.

Yeah. Did we kill somebody or did we hurt somebody? No, so the rest of the stuff is minutia. Is Heather Debrough actually funny? I wouldn't put Heather in the funny category, but I put Heather in the, she's nice. I mean, Heather and Debrough, I can have a really great relationship. I wouldn't put her in funny. Okay.

Why hasn't Shannon found a man? I don't think she wants to. There's a lot of men out in Orange County. Remember, she stays in Newport Beach and they're recycled. So, you know, they just recycled. Do you think Shannon's funny? because I think she's one of the funniest people. Her physical comedy is amazing and she always brightens my day with a laugh. Does she bring yours? She has really great time together and I do think

Shan's funny. I mean, sometimes I think the stuff I've seen of her on the show, like, is that really real or is she just trying to be funny? Like, when you try to be funny, it shows, but I just think Shan's funny. She's got a good personality and a happy personality. Who is the least interesting OC housewife? Oh, God, you guys are doing this to me. Like, I'm getting back on a show, and I want, you can plead the fifth. I don't want to, I mean, I think they're all irrelevant. Great answer. Who's the thirstiest husband in the OC?

God. This feels like a given. Slade. Yeah, that was a layup. What do you think is wrong with Kelly Dodd? I think she's just got a fiery personality. I mean, I like Kelly. Kelly's, you know, as long as Kelly likes you, everything's great.

Kelly doesn't like you. Be careful. She introduced me to my boyfriend, Mike. We're together almost four years now. And we have gotten together socially, her and Rick and Mike and I. I don't spend a lot of time with Kelly, but I love Kelly. I mean, she's got a lot of, quote, unquote, issues with anger. And there are people that have that.

And I think it just comes out sometimes, you know. Have you talked to Emily or Gina since receiving your orange? No. At BrattleCon, I did. They were nice and congratulated me. I think prior to that, somebody had told me, I mean, he's like, why would Vicky come back on? And then she goes, oh, shit, you know? Do you think any one of your peers or coworkers on O.C are scared or intimidated by your return? Well, they all should be. Period. I mean, they all should be. I was out for two years filming at all, and I was two years of friends. It's been really four years, four plus years since I've been full time. And it gives you a really good evaluation to reset. Do I need to go back on the show financially? No. I have a beautiful life. I don't need to be sick because I'm filming a reality show. When I say sick, you physically get

sick when you've got so many things that are stressful, filming a show, running a business, doing my podcast, doing my life, which is in Port of the Aard. And with my kids, my son's flying right now from Switzerland to Lans in Northern County. I haven't seen them any year. That's real life stuff that is not stressful. It's happy times, you know? So I don't know, Bravo always creates and wants to follow good

times. I think they like more drama, divorces, you know, kids being sick, stuff like that. I don't subscribe to that. Listen, you're speaking my language, Vicki, because my favorite housewife is the housewife that, like you just said, who doesn't need it and it isn't like

because I feel like it's just kind of dark when you see a housewife need this and you almost feel like the network has control over them and it just kind of gets it takes a weird turn and like to your point that's not why we got in and fell in love with this franchise in this show we wanted to see successful boss women like yourselves and their dramatic and sometimes messy lives but we also want we want to be inspired by people like you, Vicky. Yep. And we always have, there's messiness in all of our lives. It's do we have to showcase it? Do we have to scream at people?

Well, if they deserve to be screamed at, I'm going to scream at them. You know, I've never been with multiple partners in my life. But when Lori said that to me, when Psycho Bitch came out, like, no, you can't lie about me. So I've become very passionate and very emotional about the truth. Do you watch any other Housewife franchises? I try, you guys. I really, really try. don't have a lot of time in my life. And that's my choice. You know, I've got a very full life. If I'm going to do something at night, it's going to clean out a closet, it's going to do some bills,

it's going to do another Excel spreadsheet. It's not turning on country Christmas music. It's not watching storylines of housewives that I can't follow because I didn't watch the four seasons, four episodes before that. So why is everybody yelling at each other? I hate that. I want to just pop in and see inspiring things, clothing, wardrobe, style. homes, businesses, flourishing. I want the best for everybody. And sometimes it doesn't come out like that. Well, you're here to save the day. What is Christmas at the Gumblesons look like? We're going to do Christmas services in the morning. Then we're going to go to one of my friend's house, Tina's, and then we're going to head over to Fleming's. Olivia, Mike's daughter is going to have, she set us up for Fleming's and then afterwards we're going to, I'm not entertaining this year.

This is very rare, but we're going. And then Christmas Day, we had to the condo in Mexico. So we'll be there for a while. In January, I go to Florida. I'm getting inducted into the Hall of Fame for insurance and my yellow jacket. Wait, wait. Tell us more about that, Vicki. Yeah. So insurance companies recognize top producers and being a woman in the business is very rare.

It doesn't matter if you hit a certain number, which is $100 million of production, you get into the Hall of Fame. So I hit it this year and I'm being inducted in the Hall of Fame and I get my yellow jacket and walk the stage in a beautiful ball gown. And I'm excited and that'll be in Orlando, Florida on January 8th. Give it up for, give it up for Vicki. Vicki, I don't think people acknowledge this as much. I mean, again, like this, you are, some would say, the original housewife of it all. You started the whole damn thing.

And yet here you are so many years later, still prioritizing your business, your life, your career. You didn't stop. You didn't become whatever it is. It means to now be an influencer. canvas cigarette, right. Yeah, yeah. And you've always been on yourself and you've never, you've never needed this experience. And that's so cool and so amazing that you accomplish that. So congratulations on a phenomenal career. And as a caveat, there's less than 1% of the people in the industry get this, you know, level. And then 1 tenth of 1% are women. So when you look at those

numbers, I'm very unusual, but I've never stopped working. I mean, you guys saw me probably in the limo working, selling insurance online. I do more advisors, advisor planning to retirees now. I've kind of shifted the practice. My son runs my life insurance division. So when you look at all that, I had to keep that going through a divorce, keep my business going, 34 years still in the business, still a leader in the industry. It's not been easy, but that's why when people say, what did you think about last night's episode? I'm like, don't care about that. I care about this lady who has cancer and she needs me to handle her, you know, claims for her benefits or somebody wants to get insurance because their husband just died and they didn't have life insurance. And so all those

things I'm constantly thinking about how can I better the world or the industry and being the top leader, they'll come to me for. You have a division. Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep. When do you all pick up filming? Can you say, do you know? I think it's mid-February. We don't have an exact date yet, but it'll be mid-February. And I'm, going to do the girls trip like four days before that. And then a little caveat. So I'm going on the girls trip January 18th through the end of January. And then I had to Mexico from New York. And I've got to get my permanent resident card renewed because you go temporary for four years, then you go permanent. So once I get into Mexico on February 1st, I can't leave until they stamp my card. So I told

to you, I said, you might be coming to get me in the Mexico jail because I can't, no, I'd know whenever to jail. I'm not doing jail. The consulate won't let me leave the country until I get my permanent resident. So how are you going to film? Well, I won't film or unless they want to come see me in Mexico. Girls trip. I got to follow my reality. My reality is this. You're a star, Vicki. When you said girls trip, is that a girls trip that you're taking on your own or are you part of the ultimate girls trip with Shed Media? Yeah. Oh, wow. That's so exciting. It'll be fun. That'll be some Salt Lake City ladies on there, no? I'm not saying.

Vicky, it's always an honor. It's always a pleasure. Thank you for taking the time. We're hoping one of these days you'll come in person. Yeah. It's in L.A. I don't do L.A. unless I have to. You were here last night. Craig's. And I had to because I had a commitment, but they paid me for it.

Maybe we'll come to you, Vicki. Seriously, like, I can't do L.A. I don't know how you guys all live up there. It's horrible. Two hours to get back to Orange County. Why? Vicki, it's always a pleasure. We really appreciate you. Please, can you anything you want to plug?

No, just get that hula skirt off and do some Mexican whatever's. We'll let lay on. We'll fire lay out. It's great. Super proud of you. Merry Christmas. Happy holidays to all of you. Don't forget to hang up this time.

Okay. All right. Okay. Love you. Who's that guy anyway? Oh, good. Love you. Bye.

Bye, honey. What a queen. So great. I love her. You guys are getting me in trouble. All of them. Yeah. No, she said they're right.

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Anyways, we've got fun shows to cover Southern Charm, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. What should we do first? Charm. Charm. I really felt like, and Nick said this while we were watching, the Craig and Austin, that they were very much like, this is how you do it, ladies. Like Charlie, Sally, Molly. No, it really, maybe not. They were divaing out.

It was so unbelievable for two. 40-year-old men to be acting that way in public on camera. I couldn't help but wonder if they were like, hey, here's a scene. We've been doing this for a long time. Everyone, you're welcome. This is how you do reality TV. That's how it felt. Do have a rapid recap for it if you missed the most recent episode of Real House.

Oh, of Real Housewives of Southern Charm. This was an episode of The Real Housewives of Southern Charm with starring Craig Conover and Austin. Yes. name. Craig and Austin are still fighting and making everyone feel weird. Charlie seems to be fine with it, though, and still flirt with Craig. Craig also is flirting with Sally. Then Craig gets drunk and brings up Shep having dirt on Austin allegedly fucking around. Everyone gets mad at him except Sally and the party is ruined. Also, Molly calls Sally a pick-me. Charlie Jess wants Craig to make a goddamn move on her and

stop talking about Austin. Shep feels bad in telling Craig that Austin feels like his friends betrayed him, but his cats are cute. Madison also thinks Craig and Shep are trying to sabotage him. I don't feel like Charlie is really coming on to Craig so much. I feel like Craig is really coming on to Charlie. Sally is coming on to Craig. Craig is coming on as... It felt like after Charlie... It's more of a train than a triangle. Yeah.

Fight with Austin. She was like... Yeah. She seemed to have gotten the ick and then I was shocked to hear that... But she's getting the ick and then she's still hanging out with her. Well, yeah, I was shocked to hear that she went to the hot tub because I was like, Charlie's got the ick. I think everyone, especially the ladies, need to reclaim the phrase pick me. Okay. I'm over it. Continue. I'm over it.

Back to, and we were talking Gen Z earlier this episode. Like, I get it. I've been a pick-me. I get it sometimes in our relationship journeys and our pursuit for love. We get wrapped up in our emotions and we maybe aren't our best selves. And sometimes, yes, we give a little too much for the people we're pursuing in the pursuit of romance and love. But I feel like that word has been like weaponized and turned against the people who, like are just like yeah like maybe you're just wanting to find love they're in love and maybe yes sometimes

they lose their boundaries a little bit they sometimes choose the romantic partners over their friends because let's be honest if once you find that person that's what you want to do you want to choose your partner you want to say hey guys can't go out tonight i'm going to be with my family you know what i'm saying like that's like and now it's just like oh my god he or she just like they they want to find love. You know, they, and I get it that I understand we all have had friends who like will like sometimes feel like we're stabbed in the back. But like I think it's often with good intentions, you know, and like now we're just like anytime

someone who just really goes for someone who really wants to find love, maybe as as Sally has pointed out, she's not feeling her best self. Her friends, her peers are married. They have what she wants. They have kids. She wants that. And maybe she's just a little, you know, anxious. But I don't think we need to start.

like name calling her like and demonizing her like oh she's such a pick me she's a bad you know and all the things that come with that label these days and what it means to be a pick me and especially when you're called that by other women and like just like how like ugly that word has become i'm just saying i think we need to like stop doing it i feel like pick me is a very specific thing and i think it's overused i think it was initially a specific thing and now it's like used for anyone who's It's just like a little, like, you know. Well, the comment about hooking up with Austin the second him and Audrey break up, a little bit of a pick-me comment.

I'm not saying she's not demonstrating these qualities, and I understand. I'm just saying, like, we should be nice. Just be nice. Let her fuck around and find out. I'm not saying I don't know where this accusation is coming from. I just think. Are you just saying to, like, the word pick-me shouldn't be so negative? Because, like, she is...

Yeah, I don't think we need it. Well, yeah. I don't think we need it. For sure, yeah. I just think it's... When she was sitting with Prague... What could does it do? Like, I just think you're so great.

And he was like... Really? He's like, ah, who doesn't? What do you mean? I feel like PICME... Like, what I understand PICME as is very specific in the way that women, sometimes when they're trying to impress a man,

will throw other women under the bus in order to do so. That to me is what a picnies. And again, I think we've all men have been pickmys. You know, like, we've... I thought that was being like a guy's girl, like not a girl's girl. Whatever it's the label is. That is a picket.

Guys girl is a pick me, I guess. Yeah. You know, if you were already getting out of like... I guess you could argue that Sally is kind of doing that with Vanita a little bit, but also not... I don't know if I would consider by the like, what my definition of a pygmy is, Sally being. I was thinking about it because obviously the phrase...

I think she just wants to fuck Craig. The phrase... The phrase pick me is more in the like the women's fear, right? It's like other women calling women pick me. It's like, oh, they're centering men over women, et cetera, et cetera. I understand there's a lot of history behind, you know, that label. But like, again, like, I've been that person. I have centered women over my men relationships when I was like in the pursuit of love.

And, you know, I was like choosing people who I didn't feel like looking back, maybe deserved that. But like a guy not being a pick me is just a fuckboy. The guy who's this like and always chose his bros, always like it's the bros over that, you know, and it's just like, you know, sometimes there is a situation where you want to like be like, you know what,

I'm going to choose this over that. I don't always have to do the bro thing. You know, I don't have to be with the girls. Like again, if you are someone who wants to like find a love that lasts forever, you're going to have to like, you know, prioritize that.

And I think a lot of people who are quote unquote pickmes are trying to figure out what that means for them. They're trying to figure out what it means to like give themselves. to someone and really choose them. And like maybe we go about it in unproductive ways and maybe we mess up and realize that person didn't deserve it. But I think sometimes,

I think Sally just wants to find someone. And how she's going about it maybe isn't the best way and maybe she needs to recalibrate her choices. But I think it's meant with such mean intentions to call someone to pick me at these days. It's just kind of. I also, it's interesting to talk about this with the context of like

what Madison was saying about Craig and basically how like, Craig and Shep broke up Madison and Austin. And it's kind of like, I think so much of the, when we call people picnys or we like criticize our friends starting to get into relationships, I think there's a certain time in which like a single friend will like try to sabotage their friend's relationship

because they like want them to be in the same field as them. Or sometimes like a friend of yours that's in a relationship is like going to be a little weird if you're flirting with someone because in the back of their mind they like still want to have. have that option. So it's just interesting to watch this dynamic at play between Austin and Craig because that's kind of like what's happening of like Craig is mad that Austin's in a relationship and he's not. And Austin is mad that Craig gets to be single and he's not. Right. But it is weird that like, we had this very vulnerable Craig last season opening up to Austin about his addiction struggles and

Austin being like, dude, I just wish you'd come out more. And he, I, all I care about is making money, prioritizing my health and fucking my girlfriend. Granted he doesn't have the girlfriend anymore to fuck, but it's like watching himself this season must be hard for him to like see him go so back. The regression. Yeah. It is interesting though. Like I was definitely team Austin until Craig brought that scene back up where Austin was

the whole last season giving him shit for like not coming out and not whatever. And then now it's like he just can't win almost. I think Craig lost the plot for me when he's. screaming from across the table about like, Shep's going to say something that goes crazy. Like, Shep did my boy Shep

did not deserve to get done dirty. No, Justin for Austin. Justice for Austin. I said justice for Shest. Well, Shep wasn't trying to bring that up on camera. He got put in a position. But then he kept doing it. Yeah, then he went to Wally. He could have been like,

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, Kurt. No, because it would have been weird or if Craig just brought that up out of nowhere and then he just left it to like our device to like wonder what that was. No, Shep should have sitting at that table when Vanita's like, Chef, what do you have on Austin?

He should have been like, you know what? I need to talk to Austin. I don't need to like say it at this table full of people. I need to go inside and talk to Austin on it. Well, they're filming a show. He told the table first. He did? I didn't seem.

No, if we're like acknowledging that this is a TV show and these people are real friends, been to have friends for years, right? and all of a sudden you're filming a scene and you're cut up in a moment where all of a sudden your alleged friend

says, I can ruin your life with a rumor and then puts that rumor out there and says, oh, our other friends are going to say this rumor? Like, no, if you're a chef, I'd been like, I don't,

I would just lie and been like, I don't know what I'm talking about. I would then go speak to my friends off camera. Like, when the cameras go away, I'd been like, what is that, right? But then the, but Craig went nuclear, because he already said Shep heard a rumor that could ruin your life. So regardless of what Shep says, Shep's on the top, like, Shep's in it now.

But then Shep said it. It was a rumor. It's completely unfounded. It's completely, like, it is not true. I know it's not true. This is what was said, and I know it's not true. He didn't say he knows it's not true. He did.

This is completely un- He said there's nothing. I don't know anything. I didn't talk to them. He said, I don't want to be verified. I don't want to hear it. But he can't say whether it's true or not. He just pointed out.

it out. There are two random women. He came across... He called them in New York. He did call them moron girls. You called them morons. That seemed... Unnecessary. I mean, I guess, listen, if they're lying, if they're lying. If they're lying. Let's not call women morons. Shep. Especially if you were clearly entertaining them enough to hear this entire story.

They didn't just, like, stop you on the street. They're like, Shep, my friends, fucking Austin. Well, if they're lying, they're moron. Don't tell me anything. If they're lying. If they're lying. But it seems Austin, it was a funny. But the way Craig... He seemed like he was like... But it's so ugly because when you're like...

First of all, when Craig's saying that, and then we hear the rumor, I'm like, I want that ruined his life. Literally. But in the context of Bravo, think about it. Like, this is Bravo. Scandival is not that far removed. Man cheating on girlfriend is like persona non-grana.

You don't fucking do it, especially in this space. I remember it has a history. That. And I'm just saying, I think, like, I think what Craig meant by that is like, is Scandibald in a way. Is this that like, you know, this has ruined other people's lives,

men being unfaithful in the TV world. And that's a, it was crazy, crazy thing for Craig to put out there. Crazy thing to do. And it's like, and I think they did show a montage of like his old past breakouts and whatnot.

But I was like, yeah, it's kind of sad watching, to Madison's point, it's sad watching this regression because I genuinely believed the hype of last year. And then it's like, okay, with Sands Paige, sorry going to say it.

But it's like, so no one's keeping you intact because she hid the fact that he was kicked out of the Batula's wedding. She's pretty much revamped his entire style, who he is as a person. Her entire focus is about business and being a boss woman. And he did exactly what she did now that he doesn't have a female counterpart. It's like, okay, well, I'm out jacuzing till whatever, making shots with my hands. And I'm going to fight with my friends in the middle of a party like a baby bitch. And you can tell that, like, Sally, maybe Charlie, too, like, recognized that, like, Paige.

They went, oh. No. But they're also, like, they're trying to, like, put Craig in his place in a way where it's, like, you can tell that they're, you know what I mean. They know that that's what he's missing right now. And I could want to be that person for him. But also him being like, oh, why is Shep doing this? Like when Shep went in to talk to Austin and he was like, I'm leading.

I'm not being a part of this. It's like, you drive it there. You did it. Craig did it. That's what I'm saying justice for Shep. Like, Craig did it. I think Shipp didn't know how to handle it. I don't think he's ever done anything wrong, but I definitely think it's more, I'm just going to just get

Austin the benefits I doubt. Because of it. And now Austin's sitting at the dog park with Molly being like, can you call him and see? If I'm Austin, I would also be a little frustrated with Shep. A veteran TV maker. He was, because he was pretty much like, so the first person you call when you get this

information is Craig? You know, we don't get long. That was Shep's biggest mistake. 100%. I don't, I think, I think, I think unintentionally. Craig seemed malicious in this. Craig and Austin's relationship is so like up and down that they could have been on great terms when Shep went to Craig with this.

You know what I mean? Yeah. I was like, I think Shep felt safe because of Craig's reaction to it, which was, hey, we need to protect Austin's peace. And we don't need him to know about this. So I think that Shep genuinely believed that Craig was going to keep that in the vault. I think Craig is. is valid in the sense that Austin triggers him. And I think Austin pokes and he nags and he knows what he needs to do to get under Craig's skin. And I think he does it intentionally to like get a rise out

of Craig and then plays a little bit of the victim. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I will say that I'm like, after many a seasons of Craig having freakouts that I'm like, they should know by now. Craig doesn't really take the jokes the way that like, a lot of guy friends, they'll have relationships. And no one leaves me off more than like, yeah, someone's sitting within earshot and you can hear them talking about you. Yeah. Like the snide little like shady comments like nothing pisses me off more. So I can't imagine like a drunk Craig who like being in that moment and in Austin continuing to do that. I mean, them sitting at the table and him like keeping it going with Madison. It is just a little bit like just drop it. Let's just stop. It's almost like the like group therapy that they all

need to go through to like cleanse from every past season because even when they do the callbacks, it's like at first I feel bad for Austin and then I feel bad for Craig. But then it's like, looking back, I'm like, oh my God, wait, yeah. Craig and Shep went season after season, berating Austin about his relationship with Madison, calling her every name under the book. We won't be friends if you're still going to be dating this girl. And it's like, who are you to be putting those types of terms on somebody? And now that it's like the roles are reverse or like that Austin's in a healthy relationship, it's like you guys are still picking at shit. Why did we spend so much time on Whitner calling his mom? That scene lasted 10 years. Yeah. I'm like,

Very sweet, but... Yeah, I think this is one of the... The worst introductions of a new character. If I am the ex... What's his name? Whitner. If I'm the ex of Whitner, I'm living my best life right now. Her girls are in...

Whatever, but she knows who she is when he's talking about her. And your ex, I don't care if you end the relationship or not, is now on reality TV, is potentially going to be a star. is potentially going to have all these women, like, go after them. That was a win for her. He just, I'm sorry. He's just giving Ixity. He's a mama's boy.

Right. You don't, you know, I'm sorry. Your first, listen, I love my mom as much as the next guy. We have a great relationship. We're very close. Like, I definitely could take a note from Wittner's phone calls with mom because he's very present. And sometimes I'm like, yeah, cool, mom.

All right. Well, I'll talk tomorrow. He's so present. I understand. But I'm sorry. It's episode two. And I hope you just have more going on in your life than. be like, you know what?

You know what I'm going to do at work? I'm going to call my calls. I'm going to let all the women in the world see that I talk. It's just a little. It's good. It's a little. I'm sorry. I need to perform for the cameras and call my mom.

And even his mom was like, do you want? She was like, he was like, I'm just calling to talk, chat, catch up, you know. I'm sorry. And he wakes up every day at 435. That to me is more of an X than the moment. It might be him calling his mom like that, there we say. It gives me behavior. What's the name of his dog?

Bacchias. I don't know. Bacchus, my big thing is like, if you're waking up at 4.30 in the morning, clean your backyard. He looked with the mess. And then he's like, I'm going to four mile. Yeah. Why are we prioritizing your run and not cleaning the backyard? I know.

But her girlies are up in that group chat being like, girl, you are not missing him. Oh my God. We are going on tonight. Ew, Ick. He looks like a fucking loser. Well, that's where with the ritual and everything or his like morning routine, I was just like, I'm still like no woman unless she is literally at her wit's end would be like, I'm not only like calling off this engagement. I don't want to work on it. I don't want like, you have to have done something. I don't want to do therapy. I mean, ashtick is full of, is full of callers, mostly women saying I'm trying to get my boyfriend slash husband slash fiance to go to therapy. He's reluctant to do so. Wittner. Let's try anything.

She's just like, nah, I'm good. I'm sorry. I'm sleeping in this morning. It's worth a conversation. I'm out of here. Go on your room. No, and it's sad, though, and obviously we are, we're poking a bit of fun at our boy Whitner. I think the mama's boy thing is really cute. I think the 4.30 in the morning run is.

He would have come off better if he showed up, hammered. And then like, I'm just a recovering fuck boy. And I just don't know what to do. And I, you know, honestly, he'd have more women up in his DMs than the guy who's like, I can't get my ex-girlfriend to go to therapy. with me and I'm about to call my mom. This is the definition of women, like, not wanting a nice guy. This conversation right now.

But his nice guy is just almost. Yeah. It's more. Yes, it's more. Beach at the birthday party. He's like another trip around the sun and I get to do it with everyone here. It's too, it's, I don't know. Not how you've known these people.

And they are, they are fighting. Like when Madison left, she didn't even say bye to witness. She wasn't even like, happy birthday. So sorry, I have to leave. Like, fake. Yeah, nobody cared that they were having this whole, like, blow up at his... Yeah, let mom come at the end of the season. Fake a business call.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Play hardball. Happy birthday. His mom did. His mom did. Yeah.

Anyways. Beverly Hills. Love you, Wittner. You're a great guest. Well, we also have... We're all sides of Beverly Hills where we also got a new cast member. I'm into her. Amanda.

I'm into her as well. Yeah. Did you see that the... fans on the internet were like, not Amanda showing up to Jennifer Tilly's party dressed as bride at Kentucky. As Tiffany? Yeah.

Yes. The way I clock that immediately. And the way that Jennifer not only did not clock that, she calls it out and being like, oh my God, you look like the 95-boh. 95-book, 85-vogue. And it's like, yeah, and that's what you dress Tiffany in, Diva. Yep.

Yes, babe. And if you have no idea what we're talking about, we do have a rapid recap. Rachel Zoe's son's name is Pius and he's going to camp. Also, in typical Beverly Hills fashion, she has a slutty ex-husband in the tabloids. Kyle visits Moe's pussy palace. She always thought it was Dojo, Dojo, Dojo.

Sutton and Erica get facials and consider what it would be like to see Tom Durrity die. Doree is worried because Jagger is sad, introduced to the public as new housewife Amanda, aka the Money Queen. She met her husband, the good old-fashioned way, cruising the streets of West Hollywood Baby. Bose needs her daughter, Lael's permission to get married. Jennifer Tilly is back, and she throws a boho-shek party where the girls draw male models. can someone say heeded rivalry. Kyle defense P.K. being crazy towards Doreet because they're homies, I guess.

She's also really mad at people discussing her dating life. And then the moment we've all been waiting for that we got so confused while waiting for it, we stopped waiting for it altogether. Kyle Richards is officially soft launching her bisexuality. Her and Morgan allegedly have apparently broken up because she didn't want to be on the show. No, we don't know for sure. We don't know for sure. She could have had a whole other relationship.

Maybe it was another person, allegedly. I just loved that we got to see Mo's Bachelet. Yeah, it's nice. Because that's a baster pad. That thing with the view? That thing with the view. That pool. You know how many ladies he's bringing up up there?

A lot. It's not like in a subdivision, surrounded by houses. Literally, yeah. But I want to know how he described it to Kyle. Because Kyle walked in and was like, oh, he's just like, it's just so small. It's not like our beautiful house we have together, break, whatever. Nothing. Stunning house.

And her bringing him towels. and being like, these are for our daughter, not for your hose. And needed to be said. It needed to be said. But it was funny. Just like the difference between like men and women and interior decorating where it's just like, yes, women are like, we need sets. We need towels.

We need multiple pillows. And then men furnishing things like, I have one towel because I use one. I need a hamper for her clothes. No, what's so funny is that she brought the towels that they like make up on them. Yeah. And you know if he brings a girl over and she hasn't watched this. episode and knows that it's from Kyle, she's going to be like, some girl, he's cheating on me. He's cheating on me. Like, this is not, like, he's not buying this. I don't think for a

second any lady that Moe is currently bringing to his house thinks there's anything more than a really nice view in it for her. Yes. You don't think there's a ring down anytime soon? I don't, I think Mo is, he might be in his fuckboyer, but he's not a player. And I don't think he needs to lie about like his intentions when it comes to like getting some ass. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. I think he's like, hey, listen, I got everything I need, I got my family, I got my kids. I'm still married and I have a wife I respect. But like, if you want a party, I can party. But like, we're not a thing.

I'm not buying a jewelry. And it's, I got a, I got an early morning. Literally. I got to not be sleeping over. I got to wake up at 4.30 and call my mom. Mo's not waking up at. No. I did feel bad for Doree talking about, like, what's going on between her and Pek.

Deadbeat. Yeah. And just like, even the Florida trip specifically, I was just like, he full. The idea that, yeah, you would be, like, going through a lawyer to say that you're going to block your kids to be able to go see their grandkids. That's something that they're looking forward to. I'm just kind of like, why just, why? You know what I mean? Yeah, it happens.

The thing is it just like, it's such a common occurrence and divorces that it's just like kids get fucked. Yeah, but like, how do you forget that like this is the person that like not only the mother of your children, but it's like the person that you did fall in love with the person you did spend over decades of your life. with that it's like all of a sudden just because you guys are separating now all of a sudden you're like tit for tat and we're going to use the kids as pawns. Doesn't PK have a whole other family? Oh yeah. I forgot all about that.

He has like another family in the UK. Like before Dorit. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, he does. Listen, some men losers. Literally. When Derreet was talking to her parents about like he pays for nothing, he like contributes nothing. I'm paying for everything.

the subtitles were changed and it was like it seemed very like law suit lawyer esk where the subtitles were saying like except for mortgage in school. He pays for everything regarding the kids other than mortgage and school. But he says he pays for it?

Well we have to preface. That's what the subtitle said and she was saying like he pays for nothing. Yeah so people noticed that this happened twice in the episode and like we'll preface by saying we don't know the process of like captions and stuff but with peacock the captions don't match what they're saying. So it continues to go, but then like the scene won't be showing the person saying that.

Interesting. And it happened during. Does that stand up in the court of law? If the person's saying something, you see the words coming out of their mouth. It's kind of thing like if you, if we were to say something and slap like allegedly across it. It's like, can that really be like. Yeah. People are speculating that they cut it out of the actual episode but forgot to update the captions.

Granted, we don't know if that actually happened. But it happens also during when Kyle's talking about her relationship. You see her say that, well, it was due to the tab. Lloyd speculating on the relationship or something along lines of that. It doesn't seem like P.K. is really like jumping up to co-parent. Well, yeah. I mean, her being like, he's in town maybe every other Saturday, but he wants joint custody. It's like, how? Even the other women were clocking it with like, send the kids to Florida.

And if he shows up, he'll show up for a day and then be off to San Jose. Have we seen Derreet's parents before? No. I thought this was really interesting because I feel like the internet and some of Doreet's haters have giving her shit a la Hilaria Baldwin

shit about her accent and now after seeing this conversation with her parents I'm like oh okay like her parents have an heavy accent kind of sound of Israeli and she grew up in Connecticut so what but if you're around

if your parents the people you're growing up with every day have a strong accent it's not that odd that you might have like, I don't know. She also lived in London. You might not sound like Jenny from Connecticut. Either way, I'm just saying the internet has very much criticized her

because they know she grew up in Connecticut, from in Connecticut, and that she's not, you know, like she's supposed to sound like a white girl. And the fact that Doreet has some kind of accent that we can't really, you know, it just doesn't sound like Jenny from Connecticut that like now they're saying she's fraudulent,

and they will tease her and they make fun of her. But it's like, okay, shut the fuck up, people. Literally. She's a woman of the world. And then we've got Kyle, which I was like, I kind of wish Kyle had a little bit more empathy when it comes to Doreet. I think she doesn't hear how she sounds when she speaks to Doree. She thinks she's saying like, okay, like maybe, maybe not. But I'm like, the way that it sounds is like that you're doubting Doreet's experience because you personally know PK.

But again, you wouldn't know PK if it wasn't for Doreet. And it's also like all of the other girls know PK too. I think it is just because her and Doreet are both going through this separation divorce and she has such a good relationship with Mo that she cannot fathom and put herself in Dorete's shoes that P.K., someone she knows could act in a way. And I think she's just being, she won't see it from Doreet's perspective. It's just like, well, the P.K. I know would never do that. And it's like, well, you weren't married to him.

Right. Yeah. And you got lucky in the sense that like you and Maricio, have such great bond that like your divorced or it's not even divorce your separation isn't contentious because it's like honestly I feel like Kyle and Maricio are soulmates just maybe not romantic soulmates I actually did think that I was like I could see them in like 10 years 15 years moving back in together yeah and just being like friends yeah and co-parents and stuff like that just for company yeah oh I think they definitely would like get back together no I think they're they would like fall back in love

Yeah, I could... I don't think they'd move back in and be like, we're just buddies. Like, I think Maricio likes if they're not going to be together, that's going to be... I mean, who knows? Yeah, I don't know.

I'm just glad we got... We moved that forward. Yeah, they're finally actually admitting to it now. It's a great patcher pet. Yeah. I like Amanda. I want to hear more about her. Like, how did they get the girl

that bought Kyle's house on the show? And what did she have to do to get us? She seems messy and a fun way. I want to know what she replaced those floors with. I think that's going to... like really, really show if I like her or not. If the floors are ugly, might not like her. Every time she said something snarky, I was like, oh, here we go, but it was just in her

confessional. So I'm like, he's warm up. You know, when all it is is just. Part of the big fights, I think, according to, like, the trailer. She doesn't warm up. Yeah. Just getting her feet wet. I need more, though.

I needed them pick up the pace. I was like, that sit down where I was like, God bless that, like, we're finally getting Kyle's, whatever that was, that I'm like, between her and Erica sitting in old rocking. chairs. I was just like, oh, for Picking a lot. The Erika talking about, um, was kind of like, okay, I mean, she did say it

in a different light than we've never heard, though. Like, I thought that was kind of interesting to watch. Like, we always hear her fully in defense, or I feel like we don't actually hear her talk about it, to be honest. Yeah. We're like, we should just die now. Yeah. Because I kind of hoped he would die before he had to go to prison. Yeah. And to be

fair, I was like, she's bent, and she's still doing it going through lawsuits revolving this. So I'm just like, in a court a lot. Anything can and will be used against her. Usually she doesn't really address the victims, which I think she needs to do more. And she is. Yeah, I was busy Googling what spa they were at. I know. It looks like it was in the valley, didn't it?

For a second there, yeah. But then I was like, oh, no, it's Beverly. Other side of the hill. There's a lot of laws over there, too. And that's what they're at. Well, I think that'll do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guest, the queen herself returning for the Real Housewives of Osi. Vicki Gunggumvilsen. We appreciate her taking the time. We appreciate all our guests and we appreciate you listening. Again, don't forget to check out VileFiles Plus. We have ad-free episodes plus all our additional offerings that you know and love. Go to VialFiles.com to check that out. We'll see you back on Thursday. Bye-bye.