The Viall Files - E105 Kelsey Weier and Bachelor Finale Pt. 2

Episode Date: March 11, 2020

Kelsey Weier joins Nick to talk about that insane final episode of The Bachelor. Kelsey shares the difference between Madi at the house and Madi with Peter, says that she is #TeamBarb, and talks about the possibility of Bachelor in Paradise. Who is she eyeing? Her nose is real! Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode and get your merch at viallfiles.com. THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS: AMERICAN HOME SHIELD: http://ahs.com/viall NOOM: http://noom.com/viall BETTERHELP: http://betterhelp.com/viall ARTICLE: http://article.com/viall See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what is going on everybody wow wow what a wild finale i'm uh we'll get into it but uh I'm uh we'll get into it but uh Nick is in talk I it's it was wild uh it's a very a special episode uh we have the one and only Kelsey Weir with us to help us break down this episode and to get to know Kelsey a little bit uh before uh you uh get excited and jump ahead on this episode we did just drop a recap to Monday night's episode. If you haven't listened to that yet, do yourself a favor, press pause, go back and listen to that to get the full breakdown.

We have two wonderful guests, Arden Marine and Kathy Kelly, two lovely people, OG bachelor recappers, very funny. Help us break down night one and then come back to this very special episode of uh the vile files um so yeah kelsey what's up hey she just flew in this morning just flew in it's her kind of her first podcast lift lift up that mic a little

close to your face but the people want to hear you there you go now say hi hi there we go can you hear me yeah uh kelsey what the what the fuck happened on this episode what didn't happen uh that's the real question so what what are you yeah what are your initial thoughts it's like first first reactions of what we just digested on the show um it's hard for me because i love both madison and hannah ann but my heart really went out to hannah ann yeah like uh i felt like she handled herself like a champ she did she owned it i don't think any like i don't think people quite i've i've been singing hannah ann's praises for a while now and i felt like i mean obviously she she had time to prepare for this she was very articulate uh she you know she she sounded like she knew what she wanted she just she really owned the room when she did that and i thought uh it was really quite quite fascinating so you i mean i think everyone kind of feels for her um what do you think about uh

are peter and peter and madison are they together or what's what's going on there in my opinion yeah i think they're working it out they're trying to figure things out and i respect that um yeah we'll see how it goes do you think they'll work you have to be honest i know um it's so hard because it's so new but uh i'm sorry maddie but no i don't think it'll work why though you were talking before we're watching the show what are some things if i'm gonna be honest i would think i would think that would be the prudent thing to do yeah so i know that i'm gonna have to live with this but my honest prove us wrong i mean let's barb doesn't think they're gonna work no i feel like it's fine and i i hope it works out i hope this works for

the both of them yeah um but i. But I think with Maddie, she should have been a little bit more honest about everything earlier on. What do you mean by that? Just with, you know, where she stands with her virginity and her religion. And I know she touched base on her religion, but, you know,

lifestyle is a big thing when it comes to marriage and you can love somebody and i said this even in peru you can love somebody so much but if it doesn't line up with your morals and your values that doesn't mean it's going to work in the long run because you have to have that balance of love and lifestyles and morals and i think with maddie and peter they both love each other so much and that's you can clearly see that yeah how much evident do you feel like peter really understands because when we were watching it you were you kind of made it seem and correct me if i'm wrong uh that and it makes sense like when you're in that house the women really get to know each other even more than like the bachelor

i mean you you women are spending all this time together when i was a bachelor i get to hang out with them a little bit do you feel like um there's a madison you got to know that maybe that you worry peter hasn't at least when filming yeah but even when i say that though madison is such a great person that the madison i saw peter would still fall in love with sure no i don't i think that where the issue is is even if madison were to be fully up front about her religion i think peter's so in love with her yeah that he might think that they could match up but you also have to be realistic in the sense where like, there's a, there's a difference in religion. There's a difference in morals. There's a

difference in values. There's a difference in lifestyle and that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. But at the end of the day, is this your person? Is this somebody that you can spend the rest of your life with? And I hope that they proved me wrong and I wanted it to work out for them, but I personally don't know if it will. In most relationships, I think obviously they're all about compromise.

You're killing it, Kelsey. Kelsey's a little nervous. She's a little worried. I just don't wanna like, I love these people. So I don't wanna make anybody upset or piss anybody off. I think you have- I have my opinion. I think you have the full ability to be honest because Barb was honest.

And we will get into that in a moment. But if Barb can be honest. But you said the Maddie you knew at home was different in what ways? Not that she was different. At home is just more, she was, I feel like Maddie was a little bit more honest with us as a group. And i don't know all of her conversations with peter that's the hard part is you know we only get to see a certain percentage of what is shown and i can relate to that because i know from my personal experience

people were to see other you know sides of, they could think different things of me in a good or bad way. So I don't want to take that away from Maddie. But from what I've seen of Maddie and her relationship with Peter about her religion, it's a little bit different than what we knew in the house. What did you guys know? We just knew that she was very religious and it was a lifestyle. It wasn't so much just a choice. It was more of a lifestyle. And that's all it comes down to.

And I don't know if that was articulated well enough to Peter. And if it was, awesome. If it wasn't, that's her prerogative, if that's the right word for it. But even if it wasn't, he needs to figure that out. And even if it was, I think he was so in love with Maddie, it wouldn't have mattered. But it, in hindsight, maybe could have changed things. When you were filming, did you get a sense? Because I think it happens in a lot of seasons. it ends and everyone's kind of like yeah i kind of always thought it was going to be this person or we always suspected so and so was

the front runner did you feel like it was kind of did did the women in the house feel like madison was always the front runner i think the women in the house did, but I didn't. You didn't. Did you think it was you? I didn't necessarily. I mean, okay, if I'm being honest. Okay. Should we pop some champagne? We should. We should definitely pop some champagne. Let's get, you get the honors of doing it.

You're doing a great job. I feel like this. Yes, I love that sound. This will really put you over the top. Yeah, you did a great job this season. You nailed it. Thank you. Yeah. kelsey on this team kelsey it's my first first podcast like official podcast you're doing great and listen i'm all right great tv i've uh i've said a lot hold on before you go you get the you have to cheers like dear bachelor tears cheers uh to uh to being honest and and authentic

and uh interesting yes okay wait no you have to cheers and then he ruined it that was so bad nick no you can't look at the glass you have to cheer somebody in the eye or it's seven years of bad sex did you know that well you know i've been there You didn't even look me in the eye when you... Okay, whatever. Wow. Wow. Ruined champagne again for her. No, she...

She does not deserve this. God. You're very into your champagne drinking. I don't even really like champagne. That's the funny thing. Fine. So, yeah, but like I said, I've been a Peter supporter this whole time.

Even watching tonight oh man i felt for i felt for peter uh i know people have been very critical about peter it's it wasn't his best night like in so many ways like no one really i just wanted to go and hug peter like even when madison came out it was and i get there's an uncomfortable for her she does like she doesn't even have Peter's family on her side. But like Peter just looks like marooned on an island, you know, his mom just, you know, I just it's so hard. I can't emphasize enough how hard it is to be the bachelor and be in his shoes.

And did he do things great? No. But at the same time, like it's like he, you know, not everyone in the moment has Peter's best interest in mind. And like they do big picture wise, but in the short term, they don't necessarily do. And so I really, I really, really, I feel for him in that regard. So I don't know, like, it's a tough position to be in. I definitely have some more questions, Kelsey, about Hannah Ann and Madison. But before we get into that,

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as I'm saying. I don't care. I love this dynamic. But you never let her answer the question. You asked her who she thought would win. Wait, that was not a question. I asked her who her front runner is. Oh, no, you asked me. Oh, you're right. Who did you think it was going to be? Like since the beginning.

And this is going to sound really cocky of me, but if I'm in the house, when I was in the house, did I know he had a very strong relationship with Madison? Yes. But my focus was him, and all I was visualizing is my life with him. So in that moment, I thought it was going to be me.

No, you don't have in any way need to feel bad about that answer as you should. I mean, a little naive, but it's funny. I don't know if you listen to any of these podcasts, but when I was watching it, I felt like when Peter broke up with you, at least in that moment peter's struggling and in that moment you were the only one who was giving peter the things that he was asking for you seemed yeah you certainly had champagne gate you had a couple other moments where i literally thought you were just gonna go i was the dark horse of the group but you really you really i really was you were leveled off you're an absolute rock star on your one-on-ones.

Thank you for that. And under stressful situations, Tammy included, you really handled yourself. And then again, with Peter specifically, you really, you guys really connected. And yeah, I see why you felt that way. You had as a justifiable as a reason to think that way especially leading up to the point in which you got sent home i mean people watching it they didn't really understand the the hannah ann and peter dynamic at least especially by the time you uh went home it seemed like you and peter had the strongest relationship so it i don't think you need to feel

bad about that at all yeah but looking back after you so who was your number two madison or who who madison being the being your own front runner who was the who was the woman you were most worried about madison just because it's funny when we were in costa rica we were on the um telenovela day it was at like was it was actually my favorite group date. And I remember Sydney being like, you know, Peter loves Madison. And I was like, honey, he loves me. What are you talking about? And she was like, no, but look at the way he looks. And I was like, thing in my head.

She's trying to get in my head. She's trying to get in my head. But then I was like, kind of like, crap, you're right. You're right. You're right. But but no it's don't believe it you know you put out what you want you know and and i wanted peter and i wanted him to like feel the same way about me as i felt about him and unfortunately that didn't happen and that's okay like but when I was in that situation, I felt like he was my person and that was my focus. And that's all I saw. And I think that's why I, you know, was able to progress my relationship as far as I did with him was because I saw clear vision with him and not all these other obstacles. Like everybody else saw, oh my God, this girl's crazy.

This girl's cussing bitches out. This girl's doing all this shit. Like she's bat shit. And I just saw, okay, he saw my crazy side. He saw my funny side. He saw my sincere side. Like he saw all the sides to me. And like when I went into this process, I wanted. He saw all the sides to me. And when I went into this process,

I wanted him to see all the sides to me because when I came out of this, my biggest fear was, what if this person thinks that I'm somebody that I'm not? What if he fell in love with somebody that I'm not and I have to live up to this expectation? Or this world feels like I'm somebody that I'm not, or I have to live up to this expectation or this world feels like I'm somebody that I'm not, or I have to live up to this expectation that I'm not. And I can't live up to that. So at least now I said the bar really low. I said the bar super low. So the world's like,

damn, this girl is crazy. She's okay. Interesting. Yeah. You know what I mean? But like now it's like, okay,

this girl's kind of she's not normal nobody thinks i'm normal i think i'm normal i think you do you i don't i don't think people think i don't think there's any there's no such thing as normal yeah what is normal but my true friends that know me love me like i am a right mckenna you guys mckenna's here yeah mckenna's here she's in the back she's not allowed to be on this podcast she's not okay sorry she's here for emotional rules are rules Kelsey anyways um my friends who know me they know me and you know I don't need to explain myself like either I mean it's a podcast I've always want you to explain. No, but this is great.

I want to get more into, I want to learn more about like your state of mind after Peter broke up with you. But like, I want to, I don't want to jump ahead. I want to get your take on Peter's mom, Barb. Okay. You're obviously close with your mom. Yeah. Right. Probably even more so, you know, you were very open about your relationship with your dad. And I'm sure obviously when he left, you only got close with your mom and she's obviously a big

part of your life. And it was, to me, it almost seemed like in a good way, your mom was the reason why Peter might've sent you home then, because it felt like your mom really articulated how much you were falling for Peter. And I feel like maybe Peter hadn't, he really, I think, that is a viewer. I don't know if that's the case, but it really seemed like, he's like, I can't do this to Kelsey. And he really was thinking about your heart in that moment.

I could be wrong. But my question to you is, after watching tonight and Barb just going fucking rogue and doubling down, how would you be if if your mom did what what peter's mom did like would you how would you react i mean are you pro um peter's mom doing this and standing her ground or do you think she might have gone too far see i see a lot of my mom and Peter's mom. Okay. How so? In a lot of aspects.

So I've been in relationships before where my mom has not thought that the person I was with was right for me. And she's made that vocal. Okay. And how many times has she been wrong? Not a lot. ever i mean i'm still single clearly never i mean let's be honest um she really did like peter and um she but she never vocalized i think he's the one for you she just was like i have my concerns so she did she would say that to you yes would she when when um when you'd bring your boyfriend home uh did she kind of passive aggressively or even aggressively let him know that or did she only say that to you uh kind of a mixture of both if if I'm being honest. No, please.

So not only do I have a very protective mother, I have a very protective twin sister. Oh, she's your twin. I have a twin sister. My little sister is... Is that the sister we got to see on the show? I'm looking at all these like... Is that your twin?

So my twin and my little sister were on the show. Okay. Yep. So there's my twin sister is that one. And then my little sister is, the one that looks more like me is my little sister. Oh. My twin sister and I look nothing alike.

Oh, that's funny. It's really funny. She's sweet. That's why everyone thinks I got a nose job because everyone's like, have you seen her twin sister? No, but you have the same nose as your mom, right?

As my mom and my little sister. And like, I literally did an Instagram post. I would not have posted that if I got a nose job. I am proud of the fact that I get Botox fillers, whatever. Yes. Yes.

I don't give a shit. Yeah. But I did not get a nose job. Oh yeah. So anyways, sidetrack. I too have not gotten a nose job. I mean, if I did get a nose job.

And people have said I have. I know. If I got a nose job, I'd be like, you're too perfect. You guys are too perfect. I've been accused of total facial reconstruction when all I did was grow a beard and get a tan. I know. The worst I get, I get this literally on a daily. You look like the white Michael Jackson, which is so offensive to me because I love Michael Jackson.

And on top of that, I'm like- Well, he's done some shit lately, buddy. Well, not lately. Yeah. I was like, wait, what? I don't know. But anyway,

that's a terrible thing for people to say. Anyways, yeah. So I'm just like, I felt like I needed to address it to be like, stop fucking commenting on my shit saying I got a nose job. I didn't.

If I did, I would own it um on our date in cleveland before we actually started the date was funny peter asked if he had no no peter goes peter goes wow are your eyes that blue and i said yeah it's funny you asked that because the only two real things on my face are my nose my eyes and those are the two things that you get the most people ask or did you ask. Do you have fake eye whatever? And did you get nose job? That's so funny.

But no one asked me about my cheeks or my lips or my jaw until recently. People are like, yeah, but your lips are real. I'm like, no shit. I literally comment on my like. What about in your jaw? Oh, filler. You get a little bit more defined. You've never seen that?

Yeah. I mean, I probably have seen it. I just didn't realize what I was looking for. It's been a while. It's a little worn off. It's fine.

Okay. Well, thanks for being honest. Yeah. I'm just saying. I can own my shit. I don't give a shit. I don't care. Kelsey.

I know I'm cussing too much. No, you're not. Fuck. It's fine. So your mom, she is opinionated. She, you, you, you relate to Peter's mom, at least. Yes. And so are you, do you think that's good?

Because it's, it is fascinating, right? Because I have dated people before. I've, I've mentioned this. The first time I ever got engaged was well before the show. I mentioned this, the first time I ever got engaged was well before the show and we broke up and it wasn't a good breakup at the time. And at the time, my parents are always, I'm an adult too, right?

And I was 28, 27, 28 at the time. And we broke up and they were just like, yeah, if we're being honest, we didn't really love her. Not our favorite. And I would- Did they tell you that? After we broke up. And in the moment i was like well you know thanks for telling me now but would you have listened that's the thing i know but and i do appreciate my parents you know they once i turn 18 i have younger siblings and they have like shit other people to like fucking raise other than

myself but they were you know it is an interesting uh on, you know, Peter is an adult, right? He's a 20-year-old guy. And the question is, like, as I was watching it, I thought to myself, it's like, I get what you're, I get it, Barb. I do. And you might probably be right. But, like, she couldn't, couldn't she have just said, hey, listen, Peter, we love you. We support you. We support you. We wish you the best.

We'll be here no matter what. And that's kind of saying the same thing, right? Like she did have to like, you know, Madison's just following her heart. You know, Peter's just following his. And you know what? Maybe they're making the wrong decision. Maybe they are just forcing a square peg in the round hole. But man, like what if they do make it work? You know, like, what if Madison is willing to open up about seeing the

world differently and Peter is willing to learn about, you know, Madison's faith and they come to a mutual kind of understanding? Again, probably not likely, and I get that the odds are stacked against them, but I think what is important here is that Peter doesn't want to be with Hannah Ann and Hannah Ann doesn't deserve someone who's lukewarm about her. So I don't necessarily agree with, well, I love Barb. It's just like, what's the point of doing what she did? We're all adults, right? Do you think your mom would do that now? Yes. Has she always done that she would my mom is so protective of us that she no matter if we want to hear it or not she is going to voice her opinion because

my mom's been through a lot of shit and i think i think the reason bar Barb is wanting to express her opinion is because I don't know Barb's past. So you're team Barb. I'm not. No, I'm team everybody. I see all sides in this. But we love Barb. You appreciate her point of view. I'm going to be devil's advocate on this.

So for my team Barb side, I think just from what Peter has told me, I haven't heard a lot, but I think Barb's been through some shit and he just wants, or she just wants to protect her son. And I get her motivation. She

sees red flags that when you're in a relationship, you don't always see. And I can relate to that because I've been in relationships where I don't always see. And I can relate to that because I've been in relationships where I don't always see the red flags. My sisters have seen them.

My family's seen them. And I'm just like, you don't understand. I'm trying to defend it and deflect it. And I know deep down in my heart, it's not gonna work and it's not right, but I wanna fight for it and prove them wrong. And in my personal, I don't know i guess what i've gone through in my life it's never

worked out i hope it works out for them i really do um i get yeah i it's it is a fascinating because i'm sure peter's parents know peter better than anyone and yeah and literally because they obviously are a close family and they spend time together. But the question is, I guess the big question is, do we let our kids figure it out on their own? But you do. That's the thing. And I think Maddie, this is the thing too, is I lived in the house with Maddie.

Even though Maddie wasn't fully straightforward with Peter, she's a great person and she has a great heart. When you say straightforward, just so we're clear do you feel like she deliberately in the moment misled him about her okay no i think maddie needed to do it on her own time and that was fine but there's your own time and there's bachelor time are you talking about like the big debate about like when madison kind of told peter about that she's saving herself before the fantasy suite um it wasn't just that was like you know the whole religion aspect and there's there's different layers to it and and it's not my place to talk about it it's madison's but what i will say is with the whole thing, I love Madison to death, but when you are possibly

committing yourself to marriage or an engagement with somebody in such a short amount of time, you have to take those chances and risks and have those tough conversations. And for me personally, it was a little frustrating because I had tough conversations that I didn't want to air out my dirty laundry about my family to the public, but I did. And for some people not to do that, it was in weight. I understand I understand the give and take on that but I also it's like we have such a short amount of time and when you're wanting to get to know somebody

and progress your relationship and you're looking at a marriage you need to have those conversations at a certain time and if she thought that was the right time for her that's on her like that's great and I guess in fairness now, they're not engaged

and it seems like they're going to take things at a snail's pace. And I think they will. But is he like going home and sleeping at Barb's house tonight? I think we have a lot of questions. I think he needs to move out. I think it's time.

I don't think, I don't know if they'll be doing press anytime soon, but we clearly have a lot of questions. Hopefully, I mean, I've been both supportive of madison and i've obviously been critical of madison um obviously i'm team peter all the way um but i do i think i i've teased madison about the whole instagram thing i do even in real thing yeah and uh because i don't think that's very genuine in real but i do think Madison has character and I do think she means

well I also think some of her mistakes that I've been critical of come from a place of youth in that you know and I think it takes a lot of guts

for her to stand up to Peter's mom the way she did and she had the right to do that and it wasn't totally fair of Barb

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That's up to you. Were you surprised that he proposed to Hannah Ann? Were you really spoiler, were you spoiler free? Yeah. You didn't know any of this was happening? You haven't been talking to Hannah Ann? Literally.

It's been so annoying for me because their mouths have been shut. As someone who's been in the top two a couple times in The Bachelor, people talk a little bit. Everyone tells someone, tell family members. But I don't know if the good people at ABC and Warner Brothers went and said,

listen, we'll make it worth your while. Yeah. Because no one talked. No one talked. And if you tell your parents and you tell one person, it's truly amazing that it played out this way and it was pretty much spoiler free. So I am amazed by that.

And yeah, I don't know. So had you been talking to her and she just wouldn't tell you? Yeah, I've talked to both Hannah Ann and Madison and I've tried to give little hints that this is what I think happened. And they're like, no one's been spot on. And like, give me something.

Props to Hannah Ann because being in her shoes and not, especially after Peter broke up with her, to stay steadfast with this whole spoiler free she doesn't have a lot of people to talk about i'm sure the producers uh constantly reached out to her they are good at um the best they can of of being kind of an emotional support system where they need to be and you know hopefully mass hannah ann was able to like tell like our mom or dad but like how hard that must have been for hannah ann to not really been able to have uh her closest circle of friends be that kind of support system that you normally would have in a breakup right like

you know you go through any type of serious breakup you have a group a lot of people have a group of people they don't just have one friend or a lot of people have a group of people. They don't just have one friend or a parent. There's like a group of people because you kind of wear, you wear people out with your heartbreak. You're just like, can we talk? And they're like, yeah, okay. And then the next thing you do is you pick up the phone and call someone else who's just willing to listen. And Hannah Ann wasn't able to do that, you know? And if she was, if she did do that, it would have got out. You know what I'm saying? Like she Like she clearly must have not been able to talk a lot. And I really, my heart goes out to her for that reason because it must have been even worse

given the fact that she wasn't able to talk about it at least with enough of people. And you know, as much as a parent can do, like one parent over and over, you sometimes need to like just talk to a handful of people. So man, I really feel for her yeah no i felt for her too and i told her i was like hey i don't know what you're going through i know you can't tell me maybe you're with him maybe you're not i don't know but maybe just invest

in a counselor that you like and see where that goes maybe i don't know if you're with him or not i feel like you kind of maybe suspected that she might no honestly at the maybe i don't know if you're with him or not i feel like you kind of maybe suspected that she might no honestly at the time i didn't know if it was like her going through the whole re-watching the show and seeing his relationships progress with other girls or if it was her heartbreak i had no idea but you knew she was down but i knew i mean there's always going to be ups and downs i had ups and downs but I couldn't tell that to her because Vanessa and I had plenty of ups and downs. Yeah. It's all we had. No matter if you go home night one, you feel rejected. Week two, week three, like it doesn't matter when you go home, you feel rejected. And then especially when you start to develop feelings for them and it's not reciprocated and

there's other girls, like it's just, it's hard. And I couldn't imagine being final two. And, and I didn't know Hannah and situation and I couldn't imagine what she was going through rewatching this. I'm like, okay, get it now. I get why she was feeling the way she was.

And like, my heart breaks for her, but I hope, you know, she was able to at least talk to somebody. Yeah. I'm again, I'm sure the, the producers did as much as they could, but there's only so least talk to somebody. Yeah, again, I'm sure the producers

did as much as they could, but there's only so much you can do. And listen, I also think Hannah Ann's gonna be fine. Oh, she's gonna be totally fine. It's the summer of Hannah Ann. Hannah Ann's beautiful. She's fine. Hopefully we contain the coronavirus

and she's allowed to travel because she's gonna be out and about and living her best life oh yeah um boys are gonna be all over speaking of heartbreak uh back to to yours i want to i want to remind you of yours i appreciate that thank you go back to that place thank you uh but no i mean i've been looking forward to this all night i really did feel for you and um i didn't, you know, I don't feel a lot of heartbreak when I watch the show because I honestly don't believe everyone.

And especially I've been in that shoes, in those Peter shoes. It's like, I feel like most of the time when you have to break up with someone, there's a lot of sadness, but it's mostly a sense of embarrassment and not wanting to leave your friends you don't make a strong connection but a select group of people who go on that show do and you were

certainly one of them um well i mean what was that like did you were you preparing yourself were you or were you totally blindsided i was very blindsided Like I said in my exit interview, if, um, or no, and at the women tell all, if I wasn't blindsided, I,

I'm known as a crier on the show, which is funny because I am an emotional person, but I don't cry every day. Like I did on the show. I don't cry as much as I did in normal life, but I would have definitely cried way more. And I know they were trying to get the tears and all that. And I was like,

I just, I'm so in shock. I don't know like what to think right now. I didn't, I couldn't process what was happening until the next day. And then the next day is when they really should have had the cameras on me because I couldn't stop crying. Cause yeah.

When Peter broke up with you, you were like almost strangely like calm you know you like hug the girls and that's pretty common that's you know that's pretty common part of it too was my mom she did tell me when you left your hometown yeah so the conversation with my mom was like my mom was very scared i was gonna get my heart broken because she could see how deeply I felt for Peter. And my family loved him. They didn't show a lot of my conversations with, or my family's conversations with Peter. They only showed a few. Actually, they only showed my mom's conversation with Peter.

Sure. But my mom goes, Kelsey, if this doesn't work out for you, I know you're going to leave with class and grace. And I was just thinking in my head, fuck, I've not done that the whole season. I need to make myself proud. Yeah.

And I think every, I'm thinking in my head, like class and grace. When I was like, well, every parent, my mom, my mom, don't cry. Don't cry. Class and grace. Class and grace. I was like, my mom, my mom. Don't cry.

Don't cry. Class and grace. Class and grace. Class and grace. It's funny because every parent, like, when they go at their hometown, it doesn't matter if you end up being the winner or you're the next person to go home. Every parent is like, this is nuts. And this is insane.

And they have the same fear as every parent is, how brainwashed is my kid? You know, they don't know. They're just worried. They're like, well, they're, they're a kid left thinking, yeah,

I'm going to go do this thing. And they come back and their kid is just like, I'm in love with this stranger, you know, like, but my mom knows I'm not one to be brain. I'm so, I'm sure she,

I'm sure I, again, I don't doubt it, but I'm saying every parent has that. There's that moment where there's like, Hey, just, you know,

I love you no matter what. And if, if it doesn't work out for you i want you to you know you're be the strong woman that i know that you are yeah i think for me it wasn't so much the brainwash she was just more like shit kelsey might go bat shit and she didn't know about she she kind of knew about champagne but she did not know about champagne so she was like when she saw she's like oh my god like i felt so bad for my mom and my family and that mom because they had to defend me oh bless their souls anyways um so i think out of her fear she was like oh my god what's kelsey gonna say to him how is she gonna react like but i have nothing but love for peter and that's the thing with me if i have ill will towards you, I can get a little nasty.

You've seen. Or if I don't have the full story and I feel betrayed, that's when I get defensive. But if I have respect for you and I know you're a good person, you have a good heart, whether you do me wrong or not. Like I can respect that and move past it. And with Peter, like he was just following his heart and like, I'm going to get emotional, but like I have so much respect for him.

He's such a good person. I think you're the sweetest Kelsey. And I like, I, one thing is my favorite thing about you and watching the show is that, no, is that you, yeah, you, you, you you you're clearly a very loyal person I don't was I right about that by by thinking that if I like somebody I will be yeah I don't loyal doesn't mean you like everyone yeah that it actually might even mean the opposite that you're just selecting your group but if I'm

very slightly you're a bit of a ride or die person. Yes. You seem like, even with McKenna, you were very close to defend her when things came up and you could tell you didn't hesitate. And I've been in that world before where you can tell there's a lot of people who are just like, I'm just going to keep to myself. I don't really want to defend anyone because I don't want to look bad. And you could tell that you weren't, um, uh, that you, you are a very loyal person. And I, I, I value loyalty a lot in my life. And so that's, that's why I always really enjoyed watching you. Um, so it's nice to hear that you feel so fondly about Peter and you, you understood that, um, while it didn't

work out, it, you know, at least came from a place of, it you know at least came from a place of you know his decision came from a place of love because you know unfortunately um he didn't reciprocate in that moment looking back um do you still let me know people ask this question but like do you still like are you you do you see it clearly now do you still have some regrets or do you look back and wish there's things you could have said or you're fine with it all, how it all played out? I don't have regrets because Peter,

like nobody has, I didn't even know I had that in me to react the way I did in certain situations and the fact that Peter saw me at almost my worst and still accepted me. I mean, I should have been sent home after Champagne Gate. I have so much respect for him for that. But also, I don't know. I just really value somebody that can appreciate you for the core of who you are and value that. And I,

like I said on the one tell all, whether it's a friendship or relationship, if somebody can appreciate that, accept that in you, they're going to be a good friend, ride, ride or die. I don't need a ton of friends.

I want loyal friends and want good friends. And those are the people I need in my life. Where would you want hype people. Where would you rank your break up with Peter in terms of the greatest heartbreak of your life? That's a really tough question. I know. Take your time i mean i would

it's hard for me because i when i i don't have i haven't had a ton of relationships how many how many serious relationships have you had i would say i mean would you consider high school like serious whatever it meant to you okay if you if you want to consider high school like serious? Whatever it meant to you. Okay, if you want to count high school like serious. Just however you felt heartbreak. Three, okay. And that, do you include Peter or is that before Peter? That's before Peter.

Okay, and what's your longest relationship after high school? Two and a half years. You know, it's pretty long. We lived together. You lived together. How long ago was that um about a year before or year and a half maybe before i went on to the show why did that end um just differences in uh life he wanted me to stay at home he was wanted to be a doctor when we first got together i was

cosmetologist still i could work around his schedule and then when i started when i got in sales as a clothier what yeah next question i knew that was gonna be a question um and when mom not a uh of last boyfriend um was for a while until she saw i was giving up certain parts of my life for him and i realized that now and that's why with peter i asked him about you know how do you not all of this made there but some of it did of how do you want your life? Do you see yourself having kids? Like how many kids do you want to have? Do you want your wife to work? How many days a week do you want her to work? Um, when we were in Peru, we talked about it on the mountain. I was like, I want to work, you know, part-time. I still want to raise my kids part-time because

I nannied for a family of four. Um, they had triplets and a year and a half year old and i want to be in my kids life but i also want to have my own thing and he wanted me to just have his life and raise the kids and i didn't want that peter said no no no, my ex. And it just reminded me a lot of my parents' relationship, and I didn't want that. Did you end up ending that relationship? Well, obviously. It came on the show. Well, I don't know.

You could, you know. But you ended it. Yeah, no. It was kind of a mutual decision. We were on and off. I will admit, I have a very hard time on letting go of things. Yeah, right. Me too.

So when relationships end, it takes a couple months to almost a year for me to move on from it and for it to stop. Did you kind of do that? We broke up and then we kind of oh absolutely a lot of your friends have sex absolutely yes i've been there before yes uh what was the final uh like deal breaker for you when you realize i need to like completely cut it off um he chose a girl that he was going to school with that I never thought he would be with because he talked a lot of shit about her. I just wasn't really threatened by her. And then I found out they were hooking up.

And then I found out they were dating. Then I found out they were dating just because it was convenient. It was just like this cycle. And I was just like, fuck you. Like a big fuck you. And then my friend who had signed me up for Colton season of The Bachelor. And I was like, no, I'm not over my ex.

I can't go on this. Was like, Kelsey, it's been three months. You're miserable. You literally can't get out of bed. Try out for The Bachelor. Come to Chicago. And I did didn't know i'm here like it's just so here we are now for the really important question what is a clothing year um okay so it's i honestly should just fucking put sales by being honest i want to know what it is. Okay. So I sell, I work for a custom clothing company.

Okay. Um, it's really high end. We sell like shirts, um, suits, sport coats, jeans,

slacks, like everything. Um, you kind of outfit the men. Um, and yes, we, we outfit people.

Um, but it's, it's sales. It's, um, I have a really great clientele. Awesome. Do you go to their house? Um, houses or offices, but it's been honestly, like since the show, it's been really hard. Oh. Um, but the clients that I do have, have been so good and loyal to me and they've been my biggest. They've been like my hype girls. It's been so great because I've had so much hate and I've had clients be like, I just want to call and check in on you and make sure you're OK.

Like they're like my family. Oh, that's nice. Great. Like, but why has it been hard? I mean, Champagne Gate was awful. Like on your business? No, just like in general. Like the hate I got.

Yeah. Yeah. It's gotten worse and worse. I know they obviously talk about it. I mean, even my family. Like my family's gotten so much crap. Like my mom's gotten messages like, how could you raise a daughter like that?

My dad shamed my mom because of it on social media and that's why him and i aren't talking anymore i'm sorry which he doesn't know that so if you're listening this is why yeah well i am i am sorry i gotta go through that yeah i don't know i mean we just live in a weird time when it comes to the internet and uh i don't know people are just kind of bored of their fingertips and and say say mean things i do not know why what is next for you kelsey paradise i don't i don't know i want to see you at paradise i'll say that why you'd be so good your only real threat of queen of the beach is hannah ann if i'm being honest but you there could be multiple queens of oh she's way more fun to watch than hannah ann really yeah well more fun but hannah and i'm gonna say like you you definitely should you should 100 should go yeah uh i know that your stepfather has some reservations as you you mentioned literally every sunday dinner

tell your stepfather it's the prayer every sunday dinner i Tell your stepfather. It's the prayer. Every Sunday dinner, I go over to his house. It's like, dear God, please guide Kelsey in the right direction of not going on Paradise. That's a good stepfather, honestly. Tell your stepfather that I promise him it'll be a good decision for you.

I'm sure he'll listen to this. So if you want to send him a message. it'll be a good decision. I'm sure he'll listen to this. So if you want to send him a message. It'll be a good decision for you. It's a different experience. It's a lot of fun. I think you have the type of personality that would thrive in a place like paradise. I get it. I promise you, you would.

Like, listen. I get it. I promise you, you would. Like, listen. Yeah, they tend to appreciate more animated people on the beach. I'm not animated. What are you talking about? Yeah, you are. You should be proud of it.

That was a joke. No one gets my humor. No, I got it. And yeah, I just personally, I think you should go. And I think a lot of people. Even if set her up against tammy or someone ew sorry should we talk about tammy we should take that part out no we can keep it it's fine you're not you're not good friends with tammy yeah that is true she knows how i feel that is true um yeah i have mixed feelings about tammy it's so tammy's an interesting she's an interesting

character because so many people especially like watching really enjoyed tammy because you were part of a group early on that was part of this kind of nutty little group on champagne great if i'm just being honest and tammy seemed to be one of the few kind of voices of reason until she was not. And then she pulled a bar or bar pulled to Tammy. Either way, they decided to like do something stupid and double down where everyone's like, why are you doing this? Like, I don't know.

What is going on? So you haven't reconciled with Tammy. Wait, first off off i love your champagne thumb yeah i'm keeping you close and close to my heart yeah i love that um but second okay so this is the funny thing with tammy that a lot of people didn't realize except for probably me because i knew the whole backstory with her so i I was watching for it. Even with Champagne Gate, when she was consoling me, if you watch back, which no one's going-

I don't remember she was consoling you. She was consoling me. But then in her ITMs, she was talking crap about me. So they were, you know- Classic move. Yeah. People accused a VP of doing the same thing to Alea.

Did they not? You can say it in the mic. Kelsey's agreeing with me. Yeah. I mean, like, Alea. Just like this. Like, people make mistakes. And it doesn't mean VP's a bad person.

No, absolutely not. It's facts are facts. She just, that's what she did. Facts are facts. I mean, it's a fact, and, you know. So you're not, so she did so you were never close with tammy and it sounds like you guys have not reconciled no but like for her to not apologize to me or like other people but to do it on twitter to me that was disrespect and that hurt

and then for her to come to me afterwards and be like we're cool right i'm like it's are we it seemed like I wanted to like Tammy, not that I don't like Tammy, but it seemed- You can have your own opinion. It seemed like I was disappointed. Like it was a weird thing. Usually at tell all, you watch the season back and yeah, you might get defensive

and you might have an issue with the show and how things were aired. But if you don't come into that willingness to say, you know what, regardless, maybe in certain moments, I wasn't my best self and you show some contrition, like you've lost the point. And so like you, you were amazing on Tell All. You kind of owned up to it, like, you know, the things you owned up here, you didn't try to be perfect. You didn't go out and blame anyone else. You kind of own the silliness and your silly moments and like people liked you for it i don't quite get why tammy decided to just say no i think what's crazy to me is she told me she was going to

apologize and the fact that she didn't was just honestly hurtful she wait she suggested that she was going to until i'll apologize on the show oh well and that was hurtful to me that she didn't and i think that's why it's i'm moving forward and i you know forgive her and i don't have ill will but are we ever going to be cool am i ever going to trust her no you don't have to but i don't have to that's life you might have to deal with her in paradise, but that's fine. I mean, most likely. Most likely. It's a strong bet. Can I ask, what's your type?

What's your type in guy? Besides Peter. I think the reason I liked Peter is because he's not my type. What is your physical type and then emotional type? Okay, so for me, it's not, I don't know if I really have a type we'll say

it's more like um a feeling i get like that initial feeling um where you're interested you're intrigued or there's just something about the person and i got that with peter night one and i was not expecting it because peter wasn't really really my type but Peter's so cute he's so like you know he's just it's he's Peter but I was like so attracted to Peter the moment I met him and I got that like spark and what I've noticed with me is um my serious boyfriends or like the people that have meant the most most to me in my life i've gotten like a feeling you know yeah for and that's kind of what i look for it's i mean looks are important obviously um personality is important banter is important conversations important values are important

those all have to line up but i also think that initial attraction and feeling that you get with somebody is just as important this is not necessarily like a type it's more of a feeling does that make sense yeah kind of no you're uh no i get it like so he did say like i'm curious well maybe maybe this will help explain it okay uh your your peter your last boyfriend were they all very different or what was the one thing that was very similar about them you know like they all had a good sense of humor i don't know or they were like peter's good with his words right he's very affectionate were other boyfriends like that no and that's one thing I really liked about Peter was the emotional connection. Like I said, I know, you know, I, I know nobody believes me, but I really don't cry as much as they did on the show. I believe you. I also don't cry as much as I did on the bachelor.

You don't have to believe her. Like I literally cried every day on the show. Don't get me wrong, but I'm real. I'm like, why am I crying? You know, what's funny is my twin sister is the most unemotional person ever. Like she never cries. I cry in movies, all that stuff. She never cries. As soon as I walked in the house and she was mic'd up, she was like, why am I crying right now? And I'm I'm like Kayla because you're mic'd up and you're gonna be on national television and I wasn't crying I felt so proud in that moment and I was like I can help you it's okay it's an emotional mind

fuck the whole experience I know but it was so sweet because my twin sister if she would have watched this and not felt that honestly it was a blessing that my whole family made hometowns because they kind of got a glimpse into what i went through like a small glimpse um so when i came back they were more sympathetic to me can you answer one question i have is what about sydney what happened to sydney why does

she leave so unceremonious unceremoniously i have no idea i don't think there's anything to it is there nothing i'm i'm guessing sydney's just as uh baffled baffled as as anyone i think you friends with sydney yeah i honestly sure no no no no okay that's really bad okay this is the thing she doesn't come across as a very nice person i could be wrong no sydney is. I think this is the thing with me. I got all my shit out on TV. So when it came to the women tell all, no one was surprised about anything because I cleared the air on TV. I didn't just talk shit in my interviews.

If I talk shit in my interviews, they already knew how I felt to their face. That was my goal going into everything was I will say it to your face before I talk to you in an interview. And if I talk to you in an interview, you will hear it to your face. It caused a lot of drama with me. But at least going into the women tell all, when people started coming at me, what do you think about this? What do you think about her saying this? It's like, honey, I already squashed this.

What are you trying to do? You're just trying to deflect your own issues by putting it on me. It's not going to work. AKA Tammy. You like that little plug? Yeah. I loved it. Is there anyone from Hannah B's season that you fancy?

No. No one? Honestly. Like you have to be new blood? No. I just, I don't know. I think i think like i said it's kind of feeling it's what if jed showed up you think jed's gonna show up no first off jed has a girlfriend and jed jed will always have a girlfriend i think that's my that much we know about jed it doesn't necessarily mean that he won't be available to go on. He's going to be meeting someone at the pier. And you know what? That did not stop him last

time. I'm just saying. So not Jed. Who else would be available? Tyler? Would you date Tyler? I mean, I've never met Tyler. I think he's cute, but he's so cute. I just think he's so cute. Sorry, Giddy. Tyler's hot. I think

she would date Tyler. Well, hot. I think she would date Tyler. Well, yeah. I think most people would. Who are some people that Dylan's all wifed up? Bukowski. That golfer guy didn't. Oh, Garrett. Garrett.

I love Garrett. You loved Garrett. I think he slid into Sarah's DMs or something. Ooh, Garrett. You loved Garrett. I think he slid into like Sarah's DMs or something. Ooh, T. Right? T. Has anyone slid into your DMs from Hannah's season? No. Great question, Nick.

No. No one. I'm like old, Nick. You have to remember, I'm like the old- Yeah, you didn't get the credit you deserve for being elder. I know. Everyone's like, this cast- I mean, I did act really immature.

Yeah. Let's be honest. And you look great thank you uh it's the botox but um anyways i did act a little immature on the season that doesn't mean i'm immature in real life but you know take it for what it is uh but no i think everyone thinks especially especially after Champagne Gapes, this girl's bad shit. I don't want to talk to her. So no one's sliding into my DMs. Yet.

Yet. I just get creepy. Well, Claire's season's starting in a few days. I have no doubt that in about two to three weeks that the DM sliding is going to start as soon as they get sent home. Yeah. They're going to start really,

that's just a heads up there. As they go home, they start sliding the DMs of the season of the women before them. Do they? Oh yeah, oh yeah. They're coming in hot, Kelsey. Wait, why didn't that happen to me?

No, no, no, they haven't, they're not on the show yet. No, but the cast that happen to me? No, no, no. They haven't, they're not on the show yet. No, but the cast before. No, I'm talking about, it's different. It's always different. It's like you're, the women on The Bachelor are like this year's new group of people. And then The Bachelor hasn't happened yet.

Okay. So now they're about to go pursue Claire. It might be different this year because I don't know how old the cast is going to be. There was one guy that I saw on a spoiler. They'll go home and they'll come back and they'll start sliding all your DMs. Yeah, there was one guy I saw on a spoiler.

I don't know if it's true, but his Instagram is blocked or whatever. So that probably means that he's on the season. We'll see. And he's my age and he was really cute. But he also might be kind of douchey. Well, that's inevitable. You can't have great teeth without...

But he was cute. I'm not going to say the name, but I was like, Hey, okay. Any final thoughts before we let Kelsey go? Wait, you didn't ask me about a funny dating story. You told me to have a dating story. I was asking about your exes. That would have been the time to... You to have a dating story i was asking about your uh your exes that would have been the time to you said have funny dating stories and be you have a fun dating story for i

actually have like two funny ones and i don't know if i think they're but i really want to tell them one is from my sister and then one is um from me it's not that funny actually i won't tell that pick the one where you learned something about yourself okay so it's really hard dating a twin i learned um partly from me dating with a twin well so i'm a twin i have a twin and if your twin sister doesn't like the person you're dating it's really difficult um i've learned that on my end it's just not good it's just not good i've learned that on my end and she's learned that on her end um we make it difficult on each other because we spend a lot of time together you know so we were in uh college and she was dating this guy and he like thought i was a bad influence on my sister i'm

like she's my fucking twin sister of course i'm a bad influence on her and on top of that why does it matter we're 21 years old like you know i'm not telling her to go do something to jeopardize your relationship i just want to have fun anyway so he was like telling her we can't hang out whatever so they finally got back together and i i was out with one of my girlfriends i came back it was the middle of january in iowa you know how cold it gets in the midwest so i walked back kayla and i shared an apartment kayla's my twin sister we share an apartment and i see these um white tennis shoes sitting at the doorway. And I was like, those are fucking his shoes. I was so pissed.

So, you know, I thought it was funny. And I was like, do I put these in the oven or the freezer? Put them in the freezer. It's January. So this is like 12 o'clock at night. Her boyfriend's shoes? Well, they weren't together, but they were like, whatever. So I put her boyfriend's shoes in the freezer

i was gonna put them underwater and then put them in the freezer but i didn't okay i put them just in the freezer so they woke up at like seven the next morning so they've been in the freezer for like seven hours and it's january in iowa and they come into my room they're like kelsey where's where's next shoes it's like I knew it was his shoes um so I told them where the shoes were and he had to walk home no I told him where the shoes

were but he had to put his frozen shoes on and go out in the middle of January in the snow where it was like zero below in his frozen shoes did he ever come back no he ended up

cheating on my sister and then yeah it was like he deserved so he deserved it okay but

don't mess with twins I I try not to um well Kelsey I really I really appreciate you coming

this has been a ton of fun and I really appreciate you coming this has been a ton of fun and I really appreciate you being your authentic self I've very much enjoyed watching you I'm Peter Season I've enjoyed talking to you you didn't disappoint you're just an honest

you are who you are and that's how I like my people and for those of you listening I always appreciate you guys listening. Let's be kind to everyone who's been on this season, especially Peter and Madison and especially Peter. And even Barb. And even Barb. Be nice to Barb. Barb's going to be fine.

Do you think Barb's getting a lot of heat? Yeah, I think she's getting heat. Yeah. Well, we should be nice to everyone. There's two sides to every story. Yeah. I will say, you know, because people have been critical, you know, we were talking, not everyone. There's two sides to every story. Yeah. I will say, you know, because people have been critical.

You know, we were talking not to backtrack about the recap, but I just want to emphasize how hard of a position Peter was in. His brain was literally broken by the end of the season. And he went through more than I did on The Bachelor. He even got hit in the head and got a scar. So he certainly didn't hand it perfectly with with hannah ann and and and hannah ann is certainly justified to feel how she did and and peter certainly wronged her but uh the peter i know and the peter i got to know is certainly

not malicious and he leads with his heart and that can be sloppy and get him in trouble but uh i think we should be very supportive of Peter and Madison and we wish them the best. And whether they work out or not, we should all be rooting for them. So with that said, thanks for listening, guys. As always,

don't forget to send in your questions for our Ask Nick episodes. And for those of you who might be listening for the first time because you're such fans of Kelsey, don't forget that we do do some awesome episodes on Mondays with our Ask Nick and callers come in and share their very vulnerable and honest dating stories. And I give them advice.

Sometimes we have some guests. Maybe someday Kelsey will come back and help us with that. When she moves to LA. And then on Wednesdays we have some, like you're listening today, some more traditional interviews, a lot of interesting people and fascinating people. Next week,

we have Penn Gillette. He'll be joining us, of Penn and Teller. Very fascinating interview of a very fascinating and talented man. So thanks for listening, guys. As always,

we appreciate you listening. We appreciate your reviews. And Kelsey, once again, thanks so much for coming along. Thanks for having me. We will see you on the beach. Hey, celebrate her first podcast.

Her first podcast. Yay. You did it. Cheers. Thanks guys. Thanks for listening. See you next time.