The Viall Files - E1055 Going Deeper With Britani Bateman And Jared Osmond A Situationship Deep Dive

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

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Welcome to the show. Thanks for how are you? You know, I'm a little nervous. Are you? Not really. No. It's a little bit of a lie. I'm not really nervous.

How are you guys? We're doing pretty good. Cool. Yeah. Rapping up the year, busy. You guys are a big deal. I'm really grateful to be here to say, you know. We are very excited to have you.

No, you guys are a big deal. I've followed. I've been kind of watching. The podcast. Well, it was hard, you know. And we can talk about all this stuff. Like when I first heard my name on your show is the Bronwyn thing last season, after I sent that really terrible text to her, a terrible DM.

That's where they ended the season last year. But can you remind us what that DM was? It wasn't great. It was terrible. Did she read it at the reunion? Yeah, she did. She read it at reunion. It was bad.

It was very embarrassing, actually. The reunion? Don't bring you out. So you owned that it was. Oh, it was terrible. But what they didn't see is that we retracted it. The very next day I sent a retraction and an apology. which she sent back an apology.

And we were just friends. Braun and I'd been friends. And every time we get on camera, she plays the part of like, oh, I hate Jared, but one-on-one we're so good. So you all have known each other outside of this show?

No. No, you met during the show. It's just, yeah, there was something that happened last season that was really crazy. It was crazy during the part. And you guys remember that one? And I don't know if I should even be talking about it

right now. We are. We are. Oh, good. But if you don't want it in. No, I don't care. I'm good. I'm happy to, I'll share whatever.

I have actually no filter, so I'm happy to give it to you. Great. Well, you reached out to us, which we appreciated. So I was this, and we were like, yeah, no, come on down. Well, it's an honor. It's genuinely an honor. I mean, I know you guys are a big deal.

It's it, your podcast is amazing. Well, thank you for saying. We're okay with the podcast, according to some of the ladies of Salt Lake City. But, you know, in all serious, what made you reach out? Thanks for the kind words and compliments. But I am, yeah, what, like, why are you sitting on the couch today? I mean, I'm glad you are, and I'm not sad about it. But what made you want to reach out?

And I guess what was your goal? What do you want to accomplish in this conversation? Quite honestly, I just don't, I don't necessarily think there's an end goal to that. I don't think I'm going to necessarily resolve much for a lot of people. I mean, it's fair. I'm on a reality television show that, quite honestly, I don't want to be on. Okay. I'm being honest.

Okay. Okay. I went on reluctantly and I've been on and, you know, it's hard. It's a show that has painted me as the villain. I think you understand how the villain edit goes when it comes to reality television. I've been there. Yeah. Yeah.

For different, I guess, reasons. Sure. Yeah. For my reason. Yeah, I've definitely had a few. And I'm also here to own it. I'm here to own some of the dumb things that I've said. Okay.

And done and the way it's looked with Brittany and I. And just the volatility of our relationship on this show and all that kind of thing. And also to dispel some rumors. Okay. Yeah. I hope anyway. But before I guess we get into all of that, I guess, I mean, I am curious about a little bit about your background. You are part of the legendary Osman family.

Yes, I am. Just walk us through, walk my audience through. Obviously, you have Donnie and Marie. They're kind of the. They're a big deal. They're a big deal. What is your relation to them? Well, they are a big deal.

I want to clarify that, too. You know, I've watched, I grew up with the Osmond. So, Donnie's about 10 years older than me. Okay. I'm 55. Okay. And I've watched my family since I was just, you know, just a child. And I thought everybody's families sing.

And that's just the introduction they had until I was in junior high. I didn't know anything else, but Osmond music. I didn't know who the Beatles were. I was so inundated with Osmond things because it was their heyday back in the 70s and 80s. But so they're part of, I'm part of that family. I'm very proud of them. It's been controversial for me being on the show, the real housewife's solidity. Yeah, my family has hated it.

Okay. I've received comments back from pretty much all of them. Like, what are you doing? Why are you on this show? Have Donnie or Marie reached out. Donnie's reached out. Donnie's reached out. Yeah.

And he's giving you the WTF? Yeah, kind of, yeah. And then Donnie sort of is. They're all great. My family, they're all very kind and loving humans, but they literally don't know what I'm doing. Is he a cousin? He's my uncle.

My dad is his oldest brother. So my dad's deaf. Okay. He didn't sing with the Osmond's. In fact, the Osmond family, back in the 70s started singing because they were trying to buy hearing aids for my dad. So they formed a little boy band, a little quartet, and then it just kind of grew from there. That's how they became famous.

Isn't that crazy? Yeah. So did your dad ever get his hearing aids? He did. I did. He and his brother, Tom, are both deaf, the two oldest kids. Interesting. Crazy, huh?

How is he deaf? They were actually, we found out later on in life, we thought it was genetic, but they were actually put under radiation as babies. Oh. Yeah, as a form of medical treatment and it caused nerve damage. Crazy. Wow. They're actually in the Harvard medical journals, I understand, for bad medicine.

So crazy. That is crazy. Interesting. So what did, what did, what did Donnie say to you? Well, he didn't, it wasn't so direct. It was more of just like, you okay? And he made a statement in the press, like saying, I don't know what Jared's doing, essentially.

I don't like it, but he's a big boy. He gets to decide what he wants to do. I'm 55, I guess, you know. Yeah. There it is. So, yeah. So you said you like reluctantly agreed to go on. Is it like what how did you end up on the show? I'm assuming Brittany approached you. Yeah. So I didn't see this coming. So when when Brittany got the phone call and I guess that's how it works, they reach out to several people, several women and go, hey, do you want to be on the show? When her final interview happened, I was in the room and they pulled me into the interview. So I sat there on the sofa and this screen. with seven Bravo execs, you know, firing questions at both of us about how we met, which is very controversial. I had no idea that the requirement was for me to also be part of her story on set.

It makes sense. I just didn't understand. What do you mean by requirement? Well, I didn't, I didn't realize, I'd never really watched reality television to this point outside of Shark Tank. I didn't realize, I mean, that's her story. And so her story, especially at the beginning, has been me and our relationship and how tumultuous it's been on screen especially. It looks terrible. Can you remind our audience how the two of you met? Yeah. My ex-girlfriend and her husband got together.

And there's a lot more to it than that, but they got together and we had no idea. Right, right, right. And so I called Brittany and said, are you aware of this? Now, there's so many details. I'm going to purposely leave out. But she was shocked. I was shocked. We literally trauma bonded into this.

the relationship. That's exactly how it started. And for a month, we just spoke on the phone. I had no idea what she looked like. I didn't know who Brittany Bateman was. You didn't Facebooker? No. Didn't MySpace hit nothing. But we eventually had mutual friends that put us together and we became, we really did. We leaned on the friendship. That's kind of been our story. Back to the casting of Brittany. Yeah. Like, are you saying that like, You guys got cast together or you feel like... No, no. Brittany is good on her own.

She deserves the snowflake that I've been hearing about, whatever that is. She's a star. She's a star. She's really talented. This girl can sing and dance. She grew up more of an Osman than I did. But she's great. I just didn't understand that when they started filming season five, I was sitting in her

kitchen and the producer looked at me and said, you're not going to film? Because I didn't sign the waiver. And so, I'm not filming. What was the expectation that I would film? And I could see it in Brittany's eyes that she's like, come on, you're part of my story. Let's be part of my story. I didn't realize, though, that that would also by signing that waiver create this title wave for me. And it has been a tidal wave of not all great things.

Like what? Oh, man. Well, after the end of season five, and again, remember, I didn't watch one episode of the housewives ever until I saw myself on there. I'm like, I didn't say that. And it's just, you know, they'll film for two and a half hours and I'll get a two and a half minute edit. And it's always the bad stuff. Whatever sounds the most misogynistic seems to get thrown out there. And I'm not saying I'm perfect.

Is there anything specific that was aired that you feel like I didn't say that? You reference like my time on reality TV and certainly I know what it's like to have things be taken out of context. And certainly I'm aware that in the editing room, they can, you know, they can really do. do whatever they want. That being said, it's sometimes, you know, if you see it, it's like I've learned that if you see it coming out of the person's mouth, they probably said it, you know, if you don't see it coming out of their mouth and you kind of hear their voice, you know, then maybe there's some very clever stuff, but there's, you know, they're, yeah, what, what, what haven't you seen? Because I will say some of the stuff I've seen you say, it's like,

I know, it's a little, it's my, well, it's, I'm good at it, apparently. I'm good at being the, the controversial villain on the housewives. I mean, that's the role that I've assumed. And there's so many things that come behind. But the things, I've said everything I've said. I'm not,

I'm not going to sit here and tell you it. The problem is, and again, Bravo told me this when we started. And they've been great, actually. I think Bravo's great. They do a great show.

This is a great show. And I understand it's their number one show. But they told me, say, hey, we can only use what you give us. The problem is, is the edits I don't think are totally fair. You know, I'll say something that sounds controversial, but there's always another part, and maybe I'm long-winded, and I'm trying to

explain that part, and then it gets cut out. And so it's just, and I could give you plenty of examples, but yeah, no, I said everything I said. I have to own it. Sure. Well, we'll go back to that. You know, as far as the people listening, most people outside of your relationship with the Osmond's is obviously your relationship with Brittany, right? Right. We're all fans of Salt Lake City, and that storyline of you and Brittany has been obviously tremultuous and like off and on, it's almost kind of been this running joke. Obviously, even with this season and when they're on the boat and you, you know, the bear and everything. And it's just like you're off, you're on, you know, Britney has leaned in in a very comical way where it's just like, you know, are we, is she with Jared?

Is she not with Jared? And it really kind of seems like this kind of classic, as the kids are calling it these days, a situation ship of the highest order. And I guess just from your perspective, I would just love to hear your version of your relationship with Brittany and why from your point of view it's so often on and why you think it's fair. Yeah, what is that version for you? Okay. Well, and I don't know how much time you have. I could go for hours on this subject. I mean, first. We have enough time. I don't know we have hours, but we can. Yeah. Okay. Well, first and foremost, there's a lot of speculation behind it, you know, and there's so much that I can say. I do love Brittany, you know. That stupid unicorn was private. when I said, good night, baby, you are loved, right? So which is now in infamy, sadly.

It was never meant for public consumption. I thought it was charming. Yeah. Yeah, I got beat up on it. And it's okay. I mean, it's a reality television show. And I've found that, you know, the Bravoverse is very, very attached to the, their bravo lebs.

You know, they love that. And I'm a little bit of that villain guy. But my relationship with Brittany has been tumultuous in that. I mean, look, here we are at 55. She's almost my same age. She's 54. we are both still going through divorces, which most people don't know.

We're both divorced. We've been bifurcated, but I'm six years in and she's three and still goes. It's been kind of hard. It's hard on our kids. So technically you're still married to your... No, divorced as of 2022. Okay.

But still haven't separated things and still going through all that. In fact, it's... What is that? Yeah, it's awful. I can't talk much about it. Okay. But anyway, it's been really hard. It's been hard on our children.

So Brittany's story also is her relationship with her children. I've had the same problem. And the show has complicated it in a way I never suspected. I have children that don't talk to me because I'm dating Brittany. They literally are not talking to me. Because of the show, the first season was hard. Brittany and I did not understand the rules of engagement. We got on the show and then we broke up and we would literally break up every month.

And it looks terrible because it is. Why would you break up? Well, I've only broken up with her once. So do the math on that after two and a half years. How many times you've broken up? Almost every month. Now, I would call it more. This is where everybody gets lost in the weeds.

Over two years? But again, again, it's 24 times. Here's what to look at. At least. At least. I can't see. We've broken up that many times. But we've hit the pause button.

Okay. Because this isn't working or I don't like the show. It's funny to hear people think that I'm thirsty for the show. I don't even like it. If you go to my social media, I'm on private. I've got a thousand followers. That's it. It's not like I'm out looking for fame.

I've seen fame up close. And I've told Brittany this too. And I said, one of my biggest problems is that I've seen it my whole life. I've watched the Osvans. And I think they're amazing. But the whole idea of being famous and stopping for pictures and signing autographs, I think it's a little, it's not my thing. I'm not going to be mean about it. I don't get it.

I don't like it. I don't need it for my career. It doesn't do anything for me. I'm grateful for Brittany in my life. And I'm happy to support her. And that's what I've wanted to do. Even going on the show, I didn't think we would, that all of the little, the little little nuances of our relationship and especially all the, I call them private things,

became public. Like, there are things in a relationship where I prefer to have it private when there's conflict. Even as we walked on the river in a few episodes ago, and I looked terrible. Walk and talk. Walk and talk. And I had my green tea in my hand. And I remember, you know, looking at, I didn't say, at least that wasn't all of it.

I, you know, I'm like, hey, if you'd just be stable, Brittany for five minutes. I got so much hate for that. I actually have it here. You said, here's the thing. The last two years, Brittany, you run every five seconds. What I'm looking for is someone who is stable. That's true. You are a ride until it seems difficult.

Yeah, but I did say that. Or, oh, this might be a problem. And then you freeze, flee, and run. That's who you are. What's the, and then you go. That sounds terrible, doesn't it? You're very confusing. This was for me the harshest part.

You're very confusing. You are. You want me to be your boyfriend. How about you just be stable for longer than five minutes? That was harsh. It was harsh. It was harsh. I was upset.

I was genuinely walking. I did not realize. And we had, look, we've had so many controversial moments. We've hit the pause button. And when she went on the yacht, I got phone calls from the other girls.

And we're like, is Jared there? I'm like, yeah. And then all of a sudden, I realized what they were saying. Like, yeah,

Brittany is all over this guy. And she's all over the captain. And she's all over this guy. They were tanneling on her? Yeah. They're like, are you guys really on a break? I'm like, I was not necessarily, I know we talked about taking a break. I didn't, and it's, I'm not going to blame her.

I, maybe I didn't pay attention, but I didn't realize that was going to be the ultimate case that she was going to get on the boat and flirt like that. And if we're on a break, I guess, when I go on a break, I don't necessarily do that, you know, but I realize for the storyline and what have you, she was just having fun and trying to just blow off steam. What, I guess, what do you do? I mean, because honestly, over a course of two years, 10 plus breakup, I just go to the gym, drink a protein shake, and try to get over it.

You haven't dated anyone out? No, I have. Okay. So I guess, you know, I guess when I'm curious, like, yeah, how do you, I mean, honestly, for all the people in our situationships where there's, you know, it's kind of dating now in 2025, whether you're 55 or 25, you know, this kind of non, these non-committal relationships that have all this gray area. It's like, who's doing what?

So you felt like Brittany was kind of stepping out on you on that, on that trip? No, I wouldn't say that. I would say it was more of I was not aware until those phone calls came in that that was even happening. I just kind of thought if it was the break that I thought we were taking, I say, let's just pause for a minute and not. I didn't realize. But for some reason, I was offended by it. And then after her terrible plane ride with Meredith behind her, which I was on the phone with her the entire time on text, and we can talk about that. But she was looking for me to kind of console her.

That was the first time we saw each other was on the river where they put us together on the show. and we walked, and rather than me showing compassion is what I should have done. So again, I'll own it. It was just me in reaction. Like, oh my gosh, you just flirted your butt off the entire time on this ship. Why? When you watched that episode back and you saw that she didn't really do anything that crazy, was there a part of you that was like, yeah, maybe I overreacted. Oh, I definitely overreacted. And I don't think, and to be honest, I'm not necessarily a jealous guy. I just was confused. I was home just kind of doing my thing and she was doing that and I don't know I was a little upset about it and I wanted her to own it and she just wanted to be comforted and I missed it I totally missed it and I came off you know looking like kind of a jerk and I think I was quite honestly I think I was a jerk I have to own that and there's a lot of context in there even the things you said are correct I mean Britney does have that because of what she's been through like Brittany's been through two very very difficult marriages. Her second marriage is so tumultuous that she has a protective order against this guy that's out in the public right now. And she has this thing where when we start having problems or

I start to slow down because, I mean, the idea for me, like I went through some tough things in my divorce and tough things in the dating life. And sometimes I have to just kind of step back. And it's what I've done. And it's not because I don't love her. And it's not because I don't want to be with her. It's just I have to step back and analyze it and go, what are we doing? Why is this show in the middle of everything we do? Every little sacred moment in a relationship is like, here, have it. I don't like that.

I don't appreciate it. And it's sad to me because, you know, and I just look like I'm kicking against it because I am. Well, yeah. I mean, I guess I'm just curious is like, what's your breaking point? Like, I completely understand. I mean, I think most people listening, honestly,

what these women do, Brittany, Heather, all the housewives, like, it's, they give a lot of themselves for our entertainment. Like, it is not easy to. to be a reality TV star, it's certainly not easy to be a housewife, specifically housewife with the way that, like, you know, there's some shows where you can kind of have a bit of separation.

You can like, you know, okay, this is my reality TV world and I can kind of disconnect, but like a housewife, like to be a housewife, to continue to get your snowflake or your orange or whatever it is, they require, fans require, the network requires, you share your life, you know, you be open. And if that's something Brittany wants to do, Given the fact that you guys are kind of all on the fence, like, I mean, at some point, why don't you just walk away?

I've tried. I've actually tried. There have been moments where I just couldn't. Is she like restraining you and not letting you go? No, no. She's actually really good at letting go. She's like, bye. You know, she'll immediately move on.

And I don't, I don't know. And I think, I don't know. I've heard different people talk about this relationship specialists that talk about how men sort of sit and suffer a little bit. we don't move on as fast. Like women have that ability, I think, to compartmentalize it. I know Brittany does. She's very, very strong. She's a strong personality.

Brittany is so focused on the prize. She's so good. And she's so talented. Out of all the housewives, especially, but out of any show that I've seen lately, I've never seen anybody that has the raw talent that she has. She can sing and do all these things. And it's been fun. We sing together all the time.

I mean, I sing mostly in the shower because, quite honestly, I'm not looking to be famous. don't want that. But she is amazing and I really support that. It's just hard for me when personal life starts to get public. So then if she's so good at letting go, how are you finding your way back together? You know, it's funny. We've done this. Like when we broke up on the river, that was back in May, I believe. And we literally got back together right before Thanksgiving just recently. And I've dated, you know, and gone out with really wonderful people and that kind of thing. But it's always that feeling that I have. It's always this feeling of, and people mock this on the show, but we talked about it from the very beginning. And Brittany does this little thing with

the heart, you know, you're my best friend. She's my best friend. And so she's been my best friend for all these years. And there's just a closeness and kindness between us. We're never mean to each other. It's never this. It's just, it's just moments of pause going, okay, and a lot of it has to do with me. I don't necessarily break up, but she, she gets nervous. Here's my, how I've viewed your relationship from afar, from a guy's perspective. It comes across, and I'm just curious what you think, if this is fair or not, that despite Brittany maybe being the one who's like, I don't know if this can work, I don't know if we're pushing you away, that Brittany would really like to have a relationship with you.

And it seems like in the weeds of it all, you say or do things or don't do or don't say things that make her constantly hoping for more with you. Like I talk to a lot of people on this show and a lot of people in relationships. And I always tell people like, hope's not something you want in a relationship because that's like a sign of what you don't have. Right. Like when you're out of a relationship, you're like, I want this. I hope I can get this. It seems like Brittany's hoping you will do or say or not do or say certain things that would show her that she can feel safe and stable in this relationship.

And it seems like you consistently, from her perspective, don't show up for her in ways that make her feel like she can do that, which is why she's the one always saying, this isn't feeling right. This isn't feeling right. And even though you're kind of like, well, she's the one breaking up with me, she's the one breaking up with me. It feels like she is just simply reacting to you.

That's fair. That's extremely fair. Okay. Wow. Yeah, it is. It's a pretty good assessment. I think I have, and there's no excuse, we all have trauma. I have traumatic things I've dealt with.

And this show has climbed to the top of that list. And she has told me several times that she needs me to show up a certain way. And even when we're broken up, I mean, I show up. I mean, I tell her all the time, like, look, I'm here every day. Even when we've been broken up, I'll show up. And I'm a contractor. And so I'll bring my guys to fix things in her house and do things that are nice for her. But she wants that commitment.

And she even mentioned last time Brittany was here that she had some travel issues you showed her for her there and helped her get on that which we appreciate i know i love the girl and i care about her and it's been um you're not wrong you're not wrong so the hard thing is the context that is missing there's so many inner workings in a relationship there's so many private moments people are really not entitled to they don't know they don't see the things that she and i have been through there are private sacred things and that's not an excuse for not showing up I just have struggled with it and I have struggled and it's caused that reaction with her. She's a great woman.

She's a sweetheart. So, yeah, I have to own that. Without getting into the, I don't want you to have to share anything you're not comfortable to sharing. But like, I guess what is stopping you? I mean, you can own it. It's like one thing to be like, yeah, no, that's fair. I have to do that.

As you point out a couple times, you're 55 years old. You know, I'm 45. You know, it's like, at this point, like, are we going to change? Are you going to really be a, we're not going to change? No. You are who you are? No, I think that you are who you are. I think that people don't change.

I think that they learn and adapt. I think that that's the relationship. I think any good relationship is about this kind and gentle approach. You know, I'm not a guy that screams and yells. I'm not an abusive person. It's not who I am. That's true. And I'm not the guy that's going to run around and cheat and that's not who I am.

That's true. And, you know, people, people ask me the hotel, like, why don't you just go all in? I'm trying. We are. Like, we're together. We are together. We're talking about all things, including marriage. And, but there is timing behind this. And the timing truly is at this age, and it's just a number. We have other things to consider, including our children. Why don't we just focus on not breaking up rather than... Well, that's where I'm at. Thank you. You're right. 100%. Yeah, but you say that like it's all Brittany's fault.

It's not. No, no, no, no. I say that taking full ownership of my part. I mean, I do. I genuinely do. I look at it. I would say that the reason we break up is because of me. Okay. I take full responsibility for that.

We did learn this season that the two of you were engaged. Yes. And then ended that. Yeah. Well, it didn't end badly. It ended with a pause with me going, I, I'm a little sketchy on even the idea of marriage, which is strange because of my trauma. And that is what it is.

I think that doesn't matter. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, we're both, it's not like we're here to have more children. Yeah, I mean, honestly, like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know what we're doing. But again, these are sacred things. These are private things. There's are private conversations.

Did she give the ring back? Kind of. Did you hear the latest drama? No, tell me. She took the ring out of the safe because we're talking about it. She just wanted to see it. She went to New York to do her cabaret show, handed the ring to me. I put it back in her bag.

She took off her Rolex watch in the ring and it got stolen. We think at the at the hotel we were staying at. So that kind of sucks. Anyway, it is what it is. Well, it was tainted anyway. Yeah. Yeah, probably, probably. It's a failed engagement.

Yeah, probably wanted to get a fresh one. She probably wanted a new one. Maybe she threw it away. I don't know. There was going back, some leaked DMs that you sent someone. Give it to me. This subject couldn't be more annoying to me. So let's hit it head on.

First? Please. I freaking hate this subject. Let's hit it. Who was this message to? Do you remember the message? It was to a friend. She's a friend. She played it up like a girlfriend. It's so weird. Okay. So you, you DM'd her. I did while we were broken up. Okay. While y'all were broken up. A pretty harsh, it's, it's pretty long. Wait, which one are we talking about?

This is the one where you're saying, the fascinating part of Britney's stories that she adds so much drama for no reason, truly in an attempt to be relevant. No. Okay. If you want to know our history. There's so many DMs. They all irritate me. Are you kidding me? All right.

Start over. Start over. I'm never sending a DM ever again. You should not. You should not. You should not. You're definitely. They're going to be shared.

I will never talk shit again. I mean, you're an Osmond. You should know if you're going to put it in text. But I'm not that Osmond. I'm a general contractor, a real estate developer. Lesson learned. If you put it, if you type it out, you got to assume it's going to be in a. I realize everything has a digital footprint.

I had no idea. This is not time. I believe this happened last season. I can tell you all about that. Okay. Last season storyline a little bit. Yeah. But you sent this to someone.

We don't know who they ended up being leaked on Twitter. It says, you know, the fascinating part of Brittany's story is that she adds so much drama for no reason, truly in an attempt to be relevant. If you want to know the truth on our history, I've never walked away from her. I've never broken up with her. I've always been steady. Spilled her over the last year, paid for everything and have been a true gentleman. She is so damaged from her past relationships that she makes me out to be the bad guy. She's scared that I won't put a ring on her finger.

and I just want to play. So rather than just steadily stay with me and work through all the dating issues that pop up, she runs like a scared child, I need to date a stable woman. For the record, Britney has a job on the show because I decided to go on.

I give her relevance. I give her a talking point. She promised me that we wouldn't take our love on camera, that it would be best friends, hence the reason for all the best friend comments. I went against my better judgment, and I filmed with her thinking that she would hold on to that she did not.

Obviously, I've stepped up to give her all that she has needed to make herself relevant on the, the show and what I got in return was a woman that dumped me and makes me look like a complete idiot by the time this is all done. Also evidenced by some of her TikToks, not a happy camper. Well, I mean, what's not true? Come on. I'm just kidding. I was like, whoa. Whoa. No, you know what? Okay. So who was this message to? This was to a supposed friend. It turned out to be a Utah blogger. We became friends and she's like, oh, I got your back. I'll be

totally, totally careful with your name. Next to Anna. Boom. And this thing circulated like wildfires. Now, there's little pockets of truth in this. I mean, you kind of alluded to the end of the conversation has, you know. No, there is. And I'll be honest with you, when that came up, that was right during one of our first breakups. And I was so angry because I felt like I had given so much of myself in even filming. I didn't want to film.

I don't want to be on TV. I don't think I'm going back on. I didn't want to do this. And then our story is getting launched out there. And now, Brittany is amazing. but she and I did not understand the rules of engagement when it comes to reality television. She got online too.

Just started blasting me. Watch what happens live. Blasting me. Every interview she did. And Jared, this. Oh my gosh, she's just a player. And half truth. I'm not saying I was perfect,

but little half, because we were in and out so many times. You know, yeah, I would DM somebody, which I should never do, apparently. And it's when we were broken up, back and forth.

I wasn't perfect. I mean, I just had moments of just pulling back because I was so nervous of the trajectory of what Brittany's going through on the show. It was so much for me to handle. And I said some really mean things. And I will own that because she is great on her own. I said that before. And this is me acting like a spoiled

child. Oh, poor me. She dumped me. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm her only relevance. Yeah, I filmed with her. Yes, I was a big part of her story. And on the first season, I think I was mostly her story. Ding, ding, ding. Jared and I broke up, right? So the idea for me was I was upset that we're even talking about this on national television. I didn't want any of our relationship on national television and yet I don't have that choice she's on television so I had to make peace with that I immediately what you didn't didn't see there is I retracted that entire statement the very next day I got on X with the Mary Farnie fan page didn't really go anywhere but I retracted that entire thing and the retraction is twice that long filled with nothing but really beautiful

things Brittany is wonderful she's very did you retract it once this had gone viral yes I did like once it's kind of tough one It's kind of gone. No one's really. I didn't realize the damage that was done. And I've never done anything like that since. But that was very harsh. And there's, like I said, little nuggets of truth through it.

But you got to take this, this anger and this broken heart that I had into perspective. And it's not an excuse. The tough part is like there's that. And then there's the walk and talk. And there's a lot of similarities. Yeah. The walk and talk was a, there's, yeah. You know, and so I think for your critics, yeah, you, if nothing,

else you don't help yourself no i don't um and bravo bless them you know they've loved everything that's come out of my mouth because it makes me that i mean i've become that role of the villain on the show i say things that make me famous for all the wrong reasons you must now at a minimum this this is an audience predominantly of women well sure who who focus on the plights of women and what it in this you know and the men they date and so when you when you are on camera camera and you're miced up and you're calling your girlfriend unstable, it is only going to look one way. Well, it is. But the problem is it's also out of context. When I say unstable, you haven't said it, but they didn't really focus on that. It wasn't if you would just be stable for five minutes.

It was actually filled with a lot of love if you look back and see the way that I saw it. Now, the delivery was terrible. But the love that can part came in with, if you'd be stable for five minutes and just not run, just take a minute. Let's both breathe. Let's both work through problems. If it's just constant, every time we're going to have a fight, it's going to break up. But did it still end with her walking off like it showed? Truthfully, yes, it did. And I actually thought we made great television. I actually went to go find her and she was gone.

You know, I learned something when I will never forget this night. I was a freshman in college. I had a girlfriend. And I said, why don't you pipe down? Well, there you go. And that was not received very well. And I learned a valuable lesson at the age of 18. And women don't like that?

Any commentary around calm down, pipe down, you're overly emotional, you're unstable. Anything in that category, there is no grace. There is no, you know, don't shut your mouth. Just keep your opinions to yourself. I learned that 18 years old. I wish I would have learned. I have got to assume that at some point you've been told by some woman in your life that that is just the absolutely wrong thing to say or suggest. And it will never, no context will matter.

No, you're right. And I have learned that, you know, after that particular episode, well, there was an episode last season, a very last episode in the reunion. And then this one, I received hundreds of DMs filled with hate. Yeah. Like, I mean, unbelievable hate. And I would look at it. I did look at it. And, you know, there's embarrassment as I watched.

I was embarrassed because it did come off very poorly. And you're right. And I'm a little bit reactive when it comes to the emotional side of things. And so I find myself in that reactive lion kind of state. And I know better. Yeah. Going back to Angie's brow girl. Yeah.

Last season, that was a little bit of a storyline. Yes. Is this a woman that you were? seeing? Never dated her. We're just friends, like I was saying. Okay. She's going through some really heavy things right now. I actually think she's a great person and we, that whole thing got blown out of her perspective. Brittany and I were broken up when I sent her the DM and quite honestly, the DM was really innocent and really silly. She's just a friend. In fact, I still care about her as a friend. We don't hang out. I've only met her a couple of times, but we kind of navigated

through that. And it was sensationalized so much like so many things are. Which makes a lot of sense, but... We saw a scene with Whitney and Brittany outside of some store or something. And this was right before the trip on the boat. The cactus. Where she talks about her daughters kind of asked her to take a break from you. And I guess since Brittany is so good at... leaving you and being done. Why is that her children's wishes, your children don't want y'all to be together?

Why is that so hard for you to kind of listen to the kids and be like, okay, let's let them have what they want. Okay. Well, let's hit that head on. Brittany's children and my children are full grown adults. Okay. We all have trauma. But I think there's a moratorium on blaming your parents when you hit 18. It's fair.

I struggle with it, even with my own kids, to tell me how to live my life. It's weird. Yet, the reason Briddie and I are just slow playing right now, look, we're together and we're thriving, and things are going well, and we're very happy. But the reason we've slow played, you know, even with the engagement and everything else and what we're doing is because, quite honestly, we want our children to be on our team. And we know we need to show them some sort of stability before they will be. And that's kind of the key. Whether they do or not, I'm not going to hold my breath. Brittany has a great relationship with her kids.

I thought I did with mine. I do. But there's a couple that are very, very triggered by Brittany and I together. What triggers them? The show. So it's not Brittany. It's the show. Well, it's what Brittany said on season one that really drove them crazy.

One of the promises that was made. What did she say? Well, to my children, we sat down when Brittany announced that she was going to do the show. She asked me what I thought. I said, Brittany, I will never. be that guy that tells you what to do. I'm not that guy. I'm not a jealous guy. With my children, when Brittany announced that she was going to go on the show,

they were immediately triggered. I'm like, wait, we don't like this. And she said to them, she promised them, I will not drag your dad through the mud on national television. That did not happen. Now, Brittany owns that too. We both made mistakes. And now my kids look at that and I go, wow.

And the way that that's played into my persona, like I can't go anywhere now, in Utah, especially, without people going I heard a rumor you get booed at the airport. Oh, I get boot at the airport. It's got boot at BravoCon. People walk up. I was actually in Scottsdale the other day.

And 20 women at the W Hotel jumped the ropes from a private party. Came over and they're like, you're Jared Osman. And they had one question, are you that big of a douchebag in real life? And I looked up at them as I was sitting down with investors that I teach for. And I said, yes, I am. Any other questions? Like, what do you want to talk about? So about two minutes in, the lady goes, wow, you know, you're a lot nicer than we thought you'd be.

Like people don't really know who I am I don't think people understand who I am Well we've only really seen you be an asshole Yeah well that's fair Yeah And that's why the show paints me And I give them that content Yeah yeah that's a really important part

I'm not saying I don't I'm not saying I don't agree And I'm not saying that I didn't say what I said But there's there are things missing Yeah listen 100% reality TV will will Silo you into a character Yeah

They will focus on aspects of your personality. We are all far more dynamic as individuals. It's why I love doing what we do to have these conversations to allow people see the other sides of them. But I think it's a really important part that you, you have given them so much stuff to work with. And like, or the, you know, or, you know, DMing people and just the reactive nature, it seems like you said the word reactive a few times where it's just like at some point you met you said people don't change they adapt and learn when are you going to adapt and learn now that the girlfriend that you can't seem to quit apparently is is only becoming more and more popular in this universe and she doesn't

even have a snowflake yet yeah she'll get emphasis on yet and and and how are you going to correct course because like either you can listen to your kids and quit brittany and move on and say listen follow your dreams, let's be friends, but I truly can't do this. Or are you going to just say, it is what it is, let's just find a new way forward, how do we navigate? I'm going to learn that I'm not going to react because, like, that's never going to win. And I'm just going to be the stable presence in Brittany's life. And I'm just not going to give them anything to work with.

No, that's really fair. And even some of the house husbands have come to me and said, you talk too much. You should not talk so much. They did. They're like, say too much, just shut your mouth and let the girls talk and go, uh-huh. Mm, too bad. Okay, babe. That's it, right? So yeah, I've given Bravo a lot of content to use. So when am I going to adapt and learn? Well, I think I'm in real time doing that. I mean, here I am. Doing something, quite honestly, I don't want to do. I don't want to be on TV. It's a misconception people have of me. So the first contract you signed was Yeah, it's just ongoing. So when I film, they have that. I don't have to film.

Okay. Yeah. Right. But, you know, at the first. But when you do, you give them the right to portray you and whatever they want. Yeah, they really in the contract, I think it says that they can use my likeness and they can disparage me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Every reality. They were pretty up front. They warned me. They warned me. You bet. So we're going to bring Brittany in here momentarily. But I guess before we do. I'm just like, how do you see this going or how would you like your relationship with Brittany and your relationship with Bravo to move forward? Brittany is a Bravo Liberty, right? So that's what everybody calls her. And I want her relationship to continue with Bravo. I think mine's done. You keep saying, I think. Well, I'm not going to totally put myself in that corner of saying, well, I'm never going to do anything.

But I think I'm done. I'm done giving Bravo all this content. But I think that, I think you saying I think every time you say it is meaningful. The same way you try to quit Britney. I mean, you kind of sound like the 25, you know, the 22 year old me or the 22 year old girl is like, yeah, we're done. No, I will call it. Oh my God, I'm so dumb with them.

I will call it right here. I'm done. Filming. Filming. Okay. It's not my thing. It's not my life. I really think the story doesn't need to be about Brittany and I all the time anymore.

Brittany is so good on her own. And she brings so much content to the show. She's so interesting to watch. She's raw and vulnerable. But if, let's assume Brittany continues on this show. Yeah. I hope she does. And let's assume you guys figure it out.

Yeah. You will, I mean, you are a part of her life. So whether you film or not, of course. You're going to have to figure out how, how you, you will certainly get brought up and discussed in a way. For sure. That's going to irritate you.

You seem to have a, like, a relationship with Oh, yeah, we're, I really like Heather Gage. Yeah, yeah. These people know you and like they, you know. No, they're all great actually. And they're working for the show and, you know, you're going to get brought up. I mean, you're going to get triggered. How are you going to be able to not dig yourself a deeper hole?

I hope so. I mean, I'm not planning on filming again. That is the honest truth. But why, what, what, what, what, why can't you film and show up in a way? that's more like supportive and calming. Yeah. And again, I agree that that is a path. But I also want to live up to my word to my children that I'm done with reality television.

So that my children jump back on Team Dad and understand that my resolve is this. Now, Brittany, that's her career. It's not mine. I don't get paid to do this. I put myself out there and get destroyed online. You just do it for fun. I do it for fun. Very masochistic.

Anyway, so it's something that that, that I need to live up to with my children. And again, you know, these private, sacred things in a relationship really are. And I realize when you're on reality television, it's your life on film. And so Brittany will say what she wants to say. I'm never going to direct her or tell her what to say or do. But I don't have to participate in the filming side of that. And I think that actually might be a better way to structure our relationship so that I'm not always in reaction.

How do you think you could be a better partner to Brittany? Oh, my goodness. Should I lay down and tell you about my mother? This is a psychological dig right there. Let me tell you what I think I've done right, where I think I've failed. You know, I've shown up for her in ways that I think a masculine real man should. I think men should live in their masculine. You should make your partner feel safe.

And I have tried to do that in every other way except for this emotional side where I have not made her feel safe. And this is why she runs. It's a big side. Oh, it's gigantic. Yeah. And we're trying to work through it. I mean, and this is why we're still here. That's why we're still present trying to work through it.

people may judge that and say, well, this, like when she kissed me at BravoCon was really controversial. Everybody booed and they don't know that we're working in a relationship. It's not all sunshine and roses. Otherwise, the divorce rate wouldn't be what it is. And so we're just trying to take what we've been given and figure it out. So what could I do better? Well, I think I would say that it's doing exactly that. Just being present and being understanding in a loving way that this is her career. supporting that, the best that I can. And being solid. You know, I have to determine, and this has been the on and off again for us. It's really come down to the show for me. If I look back over the last two years, the thing that's made me pull back and created the drama with her is that I didn't think I could do this with the show. I don't like it. The show to me is

really controversial. So I pulled back and then she got triggered and ran. And so when I'm on the river saying, if you'll just be stable for five minutes, it wasn't to be misogynistic. It was just hey stop just stop and let's think through what is the problem now there's always a nuance that has to be dealt with there's always something that happens in a relationship where you know it's not it's people don't know the inner workings of what we've been through and so to be able to say just stop i i said it poorly and i shouldn't she's a stable person i shouldn't have said that but you know there are there are things to be worked through rather than to just cut and run well just kind of back to the thing that i said that you agreed with i think again like just in general this the the word stable

doesn't really land. But again, to just to contextualize, I think, why it's received the way it is, is because, again, the thing that you acknowledge, it just, well, you're unstable, but I'm doing the things that it's kind of driving you to this instability, and I'm playing a big role in this instability, and then you call her stable,

and so the people listening are like, well, how convenient you're calling her instable, but you're a big part of why she can't feel, you mentioned safe, and I think in a lot of ways you show up and you seem to be taking care of her, but like what she can't seem to do is trust how you will show up for her consistently. And that makes her feel, it seems like, very unsafe or unsure or confused. Just kidding. Confused in that that confusion seems to create that back and forth with her that you refer to as unstable.

Yeah, no, it is. And again, like I said earlier, I have to take responsibility. I believe that I'm the reason we've broken up so many times. And if you look at how we trauma bonded into the relationship, not as an excuse, but just as a factor, you know, we trauma bonded in. It took me quite a long time to get over my ex, which took time. And then all of a sudden the show shows up. Right as soon as that transition is starting to be made and she and I are all in, the show comes along. And there's a whole new topic to deal with that I never suspected what happened.

And there's a spotlight that shine on everything that I've done bad. Just it's out there. And every little comment and every little thing anybody can dig up. I mean, there's so many anonymous accounts just pumping out fake information about me. So it is what it is. And it's not all fake. I mean, I have to own, you know, there are things that I've done wrong. And, you know, radical acceptance of those is, is what's needed.

And so that's where I've been to just kind of go, okay, oh, yeah, I did that wrong. And so what's the path? I can't do anything about yesterday. Except repent, right? So here I am trying to be that guy. Okay. I think we bring in Brittany. All right. Let's do it. Our favorite part of the holidays is spending time with our family from baking cookies, decorating the house, and walking around the neighborhood.

Everyone seems to be in the holiday spirit. And there's nothing that gets us in the spirit more than a Starbucks holiday beverage. Now that we have River, I'm really trying to create memories and traditions that she will carry on throughout her life. And something that I'm really loving doing, we did it last year. and obviously we're going to do it again this year. But it's going to Starbucks, getting a holiday drink, and then driving through the neighborhoods and looking at all the Christmas lights on all the houses and seeing all the houses decorated and like the blowups and everyone's front yard

and like sipping on our warm, hot. I look forward to that. Holiday drink. Also back in my sales days when I worked from home, I'd always go to a Starbucks and work because I wanted to get out of the house. And definitely during the holiday season, I get my peppermint mocha. And you just kind of see people coming in like different. You kind of feel the holiday energy with people coming in during Christmas time.

It was always really enjoyable. I really had to get out of the house when I was stuck out home working. Well, the peppermint mocha is a Starbucks signature espresso combined with steam mount, mocha sauce, and peppermint flavored syrup is topped with whipped cream and dark chocolate curls. What more could you ask for? Delicious. It's honestly how I learned to drink coffee. This was my first Starbucks drink ever.

A peppermint mocha. Yeah. We used to when I worked there, we would put Restredo shots in it. And we would like mod it a bit. Well, it was a white chocolate mocha. And then during the holiday season, I transferred over to the peppermint. There's no better feeling than when the cups turn red at Starbucks. I know.

That is so true. Another favorite of mine is the caramel brulee latte. That one is so good. Yeah. That's my favorite. The caramel brulee is Starbucks signature espresso. It's topped with whipped cream and caramel brulee topping. Rediscovered the little moments of joy that make the holidays brighter at Starbucks.

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Hi. Do you want to kiss me? Yes, I do. I need one. That was too great. Hi. Age 21. If you just be stable for five minutes.

Is there anything in the book you enjoyed reading? Well, yeah, I enjoyed the whole thing. In fact, your sentiments mirror my own, really. Like, I don't know if you know this, but I wrote a dating book. And I'm like, yeah, this is pretty much in line. No whether or not I, like, keep to this. No, whether or not I like, you know, take my own medicine is another story. Oh, thank you.

Thank you very much. Yes. That's very kind. So you've been listening to our conversation. Yeah, it was kind of triggering. I'm going to sit on this pillow, so I feel like a big girl. Yeah, I was like kind of triggered back there. I'm sorry. No, I mean, your questions are like, your questions are like so spot on. Your assessments are so spot on. It's what was the hardest to listen to to hear back? I mean, all of it, but just, just, it's just all, it's kind of like reliving the trauma that has been our relationship over the last two and a half years. And it's been.

You guys are, as of now, a couple. Yeah. Boyfriend and girlfriend. Very much so. Okay. At BravoCon just was out just a month ago? Like, we weren't. And so when I kissed him, the crowd was booing.

And I was like, guys, come on. It's Christmas. I literally walked off the stage. Hi. Hi. You okay? Yeah. Yeah.

I walked down the steps and, you know, what? And I grabbed his face and I gave him a kiss in the audience. And then I walked back up on stage because just... Did it kind of hurt your heart to hear? Yes. Yeah. It really hurt my heart because I love him deeply. Like Nick has pointed out several times.

It's not for lack of love. It's like this hope that it'll turn into something. I mean, I just feel like this is like a therapy session unlike any others. Like for some reason, you guys get it. And you haven't even been in our therapy sessions. Like, you just, you get it more than anybody. I was going to know how that is. Are you guys in, you're in therapy?

We've been in and out of therapy. Okay. We've got some great, some, we've had some great discussions. Do you, individual and couple's therapy? Yeah. Okay. Just to understand. I understand our triggers.

Remember coming out of multiple divorces and things, and triggers from relationships and children, there's a lot to work through and then you throw a reality television show on the top. Wow. When you go to BravoCon together, not. We didn't go together. I went with Olivia and then he showed up a little later. I just want, she kept telling me she would, she would send me DMs and text messages. Hey, you should be here for so much love.

There was so many people asking about him. And I told her, I said, I will not be received well. Yeah. He warned me. And then I showed up, you know, a couple days late. and I walked through the streets trying to get there and it was just, I could tell that I was in the middle of hell as I walked your bravo con.

People like, you're the devil! And I would turn to them and I said, They said, that's your face. Oh yeah, and I would turn to them and say, you need your mom in Jesus right now. You should probably grow up. No, I'm done. I didn't feel like being the nice guy all the time.

I said, you need to grow up. I said, it's a reality television show. You guys have no idea. Then I stopped defending myself like I did before and I said, yep, okay. And I think the fans are just embedded. vested in Brittany, they want the best for Brittany. And I can understand that I'm very polarizing on the show.

The things that come out of my mouth are reactive and polarizing and then edited to look worse. In a little mean. Right? In a little mean. Yeah. They come across a little mean. And you say that, you know, when are you going to sort of like course correct and not

be reactive? Because if you're going to, if you're with me, you're stuck on a reality TV show. Even if you're not filming, you're still going to be talked about. So why not just. mind your peas and cues at all times because you know if you don't, it's not going to go well. That's kind of triggering too. I don't know. The whole thing is just so spot on.

If you're going to get heat on the show. Sure. If I'm you, I'll take the heat, you being a little corny, giving your girlfriend a bear with you saying you're loved. Like, I thought it. That was private. That was a private. But you know, were the fans frustrated that you didn't say, I love you? Is that something I heard?

Let me give you the background. Well, let me give you the background because it's super important. Every year I buy my kids, even as adults, build a bears, and I'll put a little message for their birthdays or something. It's a little private thing. And typically it ends with, hey, I love you. You are loved. Something like the you are love thing is something I say all the time.

And I said, when I gave it to Brittany again, it was just, we were walking through the mall. She goes, I've never had to build a bear. So I grabbed her hand. We came in. I've never even been in a unicorn. I don't know why I picked the unicorn. I don't know why I picked the unicorn.

I like, fine. She asked me to pick it. And I privately went back there. You picked it because I'm a unicorn. You're an amazing. The hot crazy matrix. You guys familiar? But I can tell you.

I'm the unicorn. Nice and hot. It's iconic, unfortunately. Of all the things that you get shit on for, that ain't it. No one, you know, like that's a silly. That was like that was you having haters. And people like. And the unicorn never goes away, though.

We need to throw it away. I brought it here. It's here. Oh, no. Don't throw it away. No. It's iconic. It's so sweet.

It'll end up on, I'm sure, watch what happens live set. Yes. Despite the shit you're getting for it, it is the nicest thing you've done for her on TV. Well, if that's the nicest thing that anybody knows about me, they don't know me. That's true. They have no idea. I'm just simply saying that's the nicest thing you've done for her on TV. Don't get rid of the nicest thing on TV.

The thing is, okay, this is what was triggering is that like sitting in there watching this interview, I'm realizing. I mean, usually you're just in the forest. You don't see the force through the trees, right? You just see the trees. So we're in our lives day to day. I just see the trees. But watching you guys talk about the history of our relationship, it made me realize that if I'm really honest with myself, I came into the relationship ready for a relationship.

Like we fell in love as friends first, and I was ready for a relationship. He had his girlfriend snatched right out from under him by my husband. husband, right? Like I was in a completely different spot. I was ready for a relationship. He was not. And so really he had one foot out the door because he wasn't emotionally ready to commit. So, but he loved me. And so he was kind of straddling this. I want you, but I don't want you. I'm not ready. You know. And it's it's sort of like over the course of two and a half years, it's sort of switch. Like every time he pulled something kind of one foot out the doorish, then I would, an unsafe for me, I would be like, oh, hell no, I'm out.

Just like you pointed out. And then every time I did that, my heart would close up a little bit. And as he's growing into our relationship, I've been growing out of our relationship. Does that make sense? So I'm not nearly as in as he is. And that's a really good place to be. I feel like finally, finally, the tides have turned where you've come after me in a way that you're like, I'm all in, babe. I am yours. And now I'm like, prove it. And you have been. Because we have not been together for eight months since the river. That was my final straw. I was like, oh, I am never. And then Bravo con. And then Bravo con. And then he's been this whole time saying, hey, I'm proving it. I'm all in. So for those eight months, he was trying to show you. that he could be there for you.

I wouldn't have any of it. But he has proven himself to the point where, like, I trust him. I trust him now. Really, like, we're solid because. You trust him. I was going to say, let's define that really quickly. I trust that he is not going to be DMing lortatious messages. But although that was when we were broken up, I know.

But still, he's not going to be. He is not a cheater. I just want to put it out there. Like, people have this misconception. that he cheats on me. He doesn't. He doesn't at all. He takes an emotional step back and I'm like, oh, I'm out.

The hardest part, not to cut you up, one of the hardest parts we've dealt with over the last eight months being broken up is we haven't missed a day together. That's true. Even when we're dating other people, like, hey, what are you doing? Do you need help? I'll come over and help her. Yeah. I'll come do whatever.

We'll go to lunch. We'll go to dinner. We'll go hang out. Just as friends. There was no physical connection. It was just, hey, we're friends. We love each other. I genuinely love this girl.

She is my best friend. the show is polarizing for me. It's not an excuse for bad behavior. But all the DMs she speaks of is more, we've been broken up. And every time we'd break up, it was like, she would run to another guy. No.

Well, yeah. That's not true. Actually, sometimes. Not all the time. You dated way more than I did. Well, we can agree that you guys, when you were broken up,

back to, like, people who were broken up? Yes, we did. So we're good. And that's my point is we were not, like, there was. So you on the yacht, flirting wasn't all. She necessarily could,

she could do what she needed to do. do what I got from the yacht. And the reason I was so... You were home flirting. You were home even going on dates. I was not grabbing, you know, someone of the opposite sex and floating around. Like, can't we just agree that like you can't... Yeah, you're right.

I was jealous. You know, listen, like you, yes, we are going to get triggered. Yeah. Sure. You're kind of casually dating in a, you know, like, you know. Just trying to navigate it. Yeah. And it's easy to feel triggered.

but like you, as often most people do, it seems like you prioritize your hurt feelings over maybe hers in a way because it's like, you know, when she's flirting and you're broken up, it feels different than when you're flirting and you're broken up. Yeah, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. There is a side of me. Again, I don't think I'm the jealous type,

but these women are describing what Brittany's doing. Oh, she's all over. the captain. She's all over this bow boy, joe. What a dumb name, Joao. Oh my gosh. I feel safe and saying that if she was all over the captain, we would have saw it. I'm funny that. I just say what I want to say. But she's all over these guys

and the girls are. I was not all over these guys. Well, this is what the women are saying. And I'm like, and I'm not drinking. I want a tour of the boat. No, it's amazing. See? Okay. Yeah, I wanted to get out of that situation. And then that's what people see. They see the captain coming to your room and you're closing the door. And then I'm like,

Yeah. Okay. The AC really was broke. He really was there to fix things. But we know, you know, you know of all people that they're going to use the good stuff. Yeah. Well, I do now. I mean, you would think I'd be a quicker learner in this process, but no, I do now. And that's why I don't want to film. And Brittany is so good on her own.

Like, our story is what it is. But for clarity, the reason we're here is that we are working in real time. Yeah. Are the triggers gone? No. It's just we've just learned how to communicate. communicate through it and I hope we can figure it out. I love this girl. How are your girls doing with y'all being back together? They're triggered as well. My older daughter, Taylor, not as much,

but Olivia definitely is, you know. Remember we talked about attachment styles last time I was here and we talked about your attachments and Olivia was younger when the trauma happened and that might have contributed. I had a epiphany while I was here talking to you. It was really cool. So, how are you supporting Olivia, but also like being an adult, living your life, trying to be happy? Such a good question. What's your kind of, how are you doing it? How are you managing it? Constant communication with Olivia about it. Like, I have to course correct all the time, but I don't, I really am receptive to her feedback. Okay. And then little things, like,

you know, she and I went to BravoCon together. You know, I suggested that Jared comes. It was my idea. I was like, babe, you've got to come. You're going to be loved here. I was so wrong. But Jared, like, let us do our thing.

We walked, Livy and I walked together. If he ever hung around with us, he was like five steps behind, literally. He was like, you guys go have food. He never interrupted.

I just want to demonstrate that Jared is the opposite of what I was with. He will never come between my kids and me, ever. If not, if anything, he would.

wants to celebrate it. And I, little things like we watched, Livy and I watched the episodes every week together. So Jared showed up to watch it as well. And I didn't change my position on the couch. I was between the armrest and Olivia and I didn't get up. You know what I mean? Just to show her that, look, a man can be in proximity

and it's not going to come between us. Little things like that. And I hope to just keep, I'm going to have to keep demonstrating for the rest of my life. So you guys getting back together, Bravo con. What did that conversation look like? Oh, she was all over me. She didn't leave me long. She's like, baby. Do you want to tell them, babe? Sure. Okay, go, what did it look like? You want the truth? Yes. Oh, brother. No, I mean, yes. Well, I mean, you're like, you're here.

The vials deserve the truth. She immediately, to my point, to my point, she, the best therapist session that we've ever happened. She started dating another person, and I'm like, God, this doesn't feel right to me. I did. I went Ellen with somebody else, finally. I held off. Yeah, and so I knocked on her door. Who are they? Who are they? Where are they? I don't know. In South Lake.

I don't, I haven't talked to them. Jared's like in a ditch. What is all in a ditch? Well, meaning like exclusive. Like, he asked me to be his girlfriend and I said yes. How long are you guys are dating for? We've been dating off and on for a couple years. Every time.

Yes. Every time you and Jared would work out. Not every time. No, that is not true. Okay. But you, you know who it is. Wait, I feel like he's, I feel like he came. He was on that party that I showed up.

Yes. I was in bed, by the way, when they had that party at Angie's house. Why do I know who this is? Last season. Yeah, you don't want to know. Yeah, she brought him to Angie's party. And then Jared. So you found out that she was boyfriend and girlfriend.

And you were like, that wasn't so much that. It was more of, I sat there. He'd been asking me to get back together for eight months. I was, I teach real estate seminars all over the world. And I was at a real estate seminar there was teaching. Because I enjoy that. It's just something I like to do. And it just kind of hit me.

You know, it's hard. And the hardest part and the reason and the thing that people don't understand that the hard part, the reason our breakups are so tough on us is she actually is my best friend. Like it's when you're that close to somebody that knows everything about you, the good and the bad. And, you know, and again, I'm not the guy that she, I'm not, I'm not one of her ex-husbands. I'm not abusive. I'm not a cheater. I'm not running around.

It's just I have my things and I've backed. way. And so I sat there and I texted her and she's like, don't text me. So I started sending her little, you know, what cameo is. I started asking cameo requests. I had him blocked on all platforms. She blocked everything. So I started texting her on cameo and there's a little DM section on the cam. And obviously I went from $3.99 a text to $15.99. Oh, yeah. I kept upping it. I was like, I was trying to discourage to the communication. I didn't realize that she had upped the price. I went from like a dollar and $1.00. There's such a fine line between charming and like a little stock.

No, it was definitely a little stalkery, but it's only stockery if you, if it's unwanted. You don't want it. You don't want it. And you didn't want it? Well, not at that time, but then you like wore me down because you are my best friend. Wow. And that's a wrap. I really believe that you guys are best friends. That's a wrap.

I'm not trying to hear your feelings. She's amazing. Let's get out of here. That doesn't mean you suck. That means you wore me down in the best of ways. So I show up at her house and she is preparing for a date with this other guy. And he pulls up and I turn around and I looked at him like, he was the devil. I'm like, off you go.

And I threw her glass door. I'm like, babe, quite honestly, I don't get it. I genuinely don't get it. I would not let him in the door. And so I said, meet me for breakfast tomorrow. You're being picked up for a day? Yes. Yeah, he moved on.

It's crazy. We're the cameras there. No, for real. And he drove by. He saw Jared at my doorstep and he's like, what in the world? So he just kept driving. I was good for the conversation with him, but he didn't want it. So whatever.

Okay, so you're your best friends. I've, you know, that's easy to believe. You guys talk every day. But like, you know, you're obviously both beautiful people. You look great. I'm not suggesting in any way that, like, you know, you're old. But like at the same, you're not 22 anymore. Right.

So it's kind of like, as they say, you know, as you get older with people, as you grow older, there's more to relationships than just like the physical connection and all the kind of like the toxic things we do when we're young. and relationships. Because you guys are such good friends, in between the figuring out the divorces and the kids and the relationships, why can't you just like stop being messy in between, you know, like. Is that real life? Is that real life?

What do you mean? I mean, I'm just, I'm not trying to play it down. If you're talking, I mean, again, I don't know what causes you to say, okay, let's break up or what all these, these breakups. But you're, you know, it seems like the next day you're still like, hey, you know, calling each other and talking about whatever or saying come to BravoCon. And it's like you're still in each other's life. Our breakups or pauses. They're not necessarily, this is where everybody gets it wrong. It's us going pause. Hold on. I don't even think you guys are on the same page in terms of what the expectations are. That's not true. That's not true. Because he was,

he's right about some things. You know the rant. The rant you mentioned. Like Jared said, there's some truth sprinkled in there. And last time I was here with you guys, I gave him credit for me doing well for season. And you're like, don't give him credit. I'm like, yeah, but like, I mean, it's true. Like it made whatever. It was toxic but interesting.

The best friend comments, you promised him you wouldn't. That's true, too. That's true. I did. We go to Costco as best friend. Yeah, which is true. We do all the time. Because he wanted to be best friends at that point.

And I wanted a serious relationship at that point. And I'm the one that kind of like blew it up in his face. That's true. And his kids have a right to be mad at me. That's true. You run like a scared child. That was what it was. Okay.

Okay. That was just mean. That was mean. It is. The way he put it was super mean. And to Nick Viles point, it's inexcusable to be like reacting that way when you should know better. But the part that's true is that I have trauma.

where at the first width of disrespect, I am not willing to like stick it out. I cut and run. And I am very, very, I am very triggered. And then I freeze, flee, run. That's so true. Instead of just like staying in it. At the first sign of disrespect.

At the first sign of anything, any trouble in the water, any red flag. Any kind of conversation we have. Conflict. And if any conflict, she'll bottle up. And the next thing I know, we're done. 10 minutes later or less, I get a text. You're blocked. Leave me alone.

So you say pause because you know we'll get back together. And I'm literally telling him and acting like, you're dead to me, walk on every platform. And this is where I don't understand it because I'm not that way. Do you poke the bear ever? All the time. What does that mean? What do you mean? I kind of see how far I can take it.

Well, it's like one of those things where, you know, you can recognize that like any time I get triggered and whatever I shut down and he's like, you can't do that. and that's frustrating. So then he like consciously or subconsciously decides to poke the bear to see if he will shut down this time. You know, it's like she hasn't learned yet. She's going to do the same thing again. I'm going to test her.

You know, I'm going to say and do the thing. I know I'm going to set her off. Do you do that, maybe? Well, I think some of it, as I look back on it, I may be doing it quite honestly because I need the pause because I can't figure to show out. I think I actually poke the bear because I need it to shut down for a minute because I don't know how to negotiate it.

Yep. I don't like the show. I don't like what's happening to my name out there. Yeah. I don't like all these fake accounts talking crap about me that quite honestly it's not true. He pushes me away with those things. I'm not saying that I don't. I do.

I'm happy to oblige. I'm like, yep, you're going. That's been our dance. And yet, you know, and then a week later or less, we're back together. And so it feels like a pause to me. I do think that there's a reaction on both sides. Your reaction is to cut and run and flee like I mentioned on the river. And that's the stability that I spoke about.

And it saw out of context because I really did say that with love. You just didn't quite get that on camera. Did you feel it was love? She was reactive on that. No, I thought it was harsh. But I also feel like it was kind of on brand with the way that we've been in this dysfunctional dance of when you need to pull back because. And to be fair, like John Gottman, men are from Mars women are from Venus. like we're going to that seminar.

That's not John Gottman. Oh, who is it? I don't know. Whatever. Whoever wrote that? Who I was like boys go to Jupiter to get more stupider? That one? Yeah, that's the one.

But like men like are a rubber band. Like they have a need to pull back and and then they will spring right back. But every time he pulled back and I would cut and be like, no. So it's just this dysfunctional dance that we're trying to work through. So basically it's not my fault, folks. I mean like, yeah. I mean like walking him every time you're frustrated. seems unproductive.

Yes. Yeah. It is unproductive. No, it is. It is. And that's the part that I own is that I do. In that way, I have been unstable in that I just am triggered and I really do have a lot of damage. Well, the good news is, from a show standpoint, it even feels like the fans, while very entertaining season one and we loved the unicorn.

But like your guys' instability is kind of like old hat. Yeah, it is. It's kind of like, okay. It is. Now people have had it with the story. I think. Yeah. It's just like, yeah.

I think they're done. Yeah. Thank heavens. We're solid now. Moving on a little bit from the two of you, you said in the beginning of this conversation, Jared, that during the entire plane incident, Brittany was texting you. Yes. Four and a half hours.

Do you have your phone on you? Can we like, do you remember some of those texts? I remember all of it. And I don't, you know, I do not want to show you. Okay. I'm happy to talk about it. He's learning. I'm not going to give that from.

That's just can and fodder for me. But I'm happy to answer your questions. Well, I want to hear from Brits. I mean, you were there. And I also, you know, we do love the other women and we don't want them. Sure. Yeah, yeah. I'll handle it delicately.

But listen, it was like that, that, that, we had you here in this couch right before that episode. Right, right. Damn it. Yeah. You're back. So I appreciate it. But yeah, I mean, just could you just, whatever you're able and can share, feel comfortable sharing, can you just describe the plane ride?

Yeah. I mean, obviously, I can't speak to what hasn't been aired yet. And we just filmed the reunion, you know? Will is? I mean, Andy has asked the question several times. Yeah, exactly. Is their footage? Do you think more will be revealed when it comes to the plane ride that people might be able to not have to listen to someone's story and maybe just see it?

You know what? I don't think that this is a surprise to anybody, but sadly, no. And there's a reason for that. The reason is really well described in the reunion. Okay. But why no one pulled out their phones? But I'm sort of like going off of what Andy is already sharing on Watch What Happens and stuff. But he's already pointed out that, I mean, this week on Watch What Happens, just that can you imagine if I had pulled out my phone?

Like the way I was treated when I started to film on, when I was just sending a video to a live, and the reaction that I got, you know, can you imagine if I was purposefully trying to film Meredith? Like, I just... I think you should have. Well, now, in hindsight, of course, 2020, I wish that I had, but... If you had, in your opinion, what do you think the collective Bravo fans would think about this situation, specifically, Meredith? I don't think they would even believe it. I don't think they would even remotely. their minds would be blown, literally blown.

Do you think Meredith would have to leave the show as a result? I don't know that, but I definitely think that it would be shocking because it was shocking, it was shocking that any human being would treat another human being like that. Is there this one or two specific things that Meredith said to you that you thought was unforgivable? Oh, yeah. There was so much.

There was so much. And it's literally so bad and so below the belts and so the opposite of who I actually am that I can only, I don't even want to give oxygen to what those words were that she was saying. They're that deplorable. They're inexcusable. They're deplorable. Deserve punishment for even saying that about someone without any merit. it. They were only meant to hurt me. But you can't share? No, because I don't, I don't want to. I don't want to put the energy

out there. There's not a cell in my body that embodies anything. And if anything, I would say, it has to be projection. How else could someone come up with things that are the opposite of someone else unless they themselves embody some of that? Think about it. Like, you know, when people say, I have a hunch, but it's the opposite of the truth that usually, like starts from within. They have a hunch about something because that's who they are at some level. It's the only explanation I can give.

I don't know. Do you think Meredith's unwillingness to acknowledge anything is out of fear of what you to almost get herself in trouble in a way? Like she doesn't want to admit, you know, Meredith's the lawyer, so to speak.

Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Maybe she's like, Yeah, taking some of her own advice as an attorney just in a dep- Yeah, you're right. She kind of acts like she's in a deposition. Yes. No.

Yes. Sadly, I know all about that. Yes, no. And for me, I'm just like... I don't recall. I don't recall. No, for real. For real, right?

Yeah. For me, I feel like the longer I'm involved with these women and on this show, the more transparent you get. because A, it's the highest form of vibration in a human being is authenticity, more than love. And I really believe in that. And second, it's just so much easier. You don't have to keep track of, like, who said, who do you said what to and why and how and the way it's going to be spun and just like, just be you and just tell the truth, the ends. For better or for worse, I just feel like it serves me really well. Have you and Lisa made up?

You'll just have to stay tuned for that. Because maybe, maybe not. Okay. Okay. What are your thoughts? It was leaked that Bronwyn and Todd are separating. She mentioned that at reunion. Yeah, that's definitely a reunion thing.

But it's all over. It's everywhere. Yeah. The question is who leaked it? You know what I mean? Like, who is the leak? Someone in hair and makeup. Yeah.

PA. They're so buttoned up. They're so buttoned up. Like, it was like out the next day or even that afternoon. Browen's made a statement. She has. She has now. But it was out. Like, I vote. I really enjoy my time with Bronwyn. And I thought she was lovely. Yeah. She's, you know, I really like enjoyed listening to her talk about her husband Todd. Yeah. I'm a little confused about whether her relationship is off limits. Right. Right. Because I, you know. As much as like we love talking about this show and dissecting it and it's all silly and fun, like, you guys are people and we don't want to like, I don't know, like, we like our privacy. You know, we do this show and we want to be open and vulnerable aspects of our lives, but like we like our privacy. So we want to be respectful, you know, if if Browen's going through something personal. Yeah.

It's like it's, you know, and she she needs to go through it. But it is confusing because it's like as fans, we assume. that if you're going to bring something to the table and talk about it on camera, then, you know, part of this world is being vulnerable with your lives and us kind of like football fans, breaking it all down Monday morning quarterback. I, you know, I relate to that. I don't relate to that. You know, I can't believe this. I can't believe. That's what we do, you know, and it's like with Browen, I'm a little confused if that's on the table. Well, your confusion matches our own. And I think I can speak to that because it was in the last episode.

You know, we're all on the beach. And Heather and Whitney were like, well, which is it? And even Mary was confused. Like, you can't say something and put it out there and then backpedal and then take it back. I mean, which is it? Are you, is your relationship open for us to discuss or is it not? And you're backpedaling on what you said before. I mean, we're all sort of confused about the same thing.

People say that she's transparent. And I am not sure I know who Bronner. one is yet, to be honest. Appreciate you guys coming. We do have to wrap. What do you think the rest of the women, if they choose to listen to this episode, are going to think about the two of you? And I guess how, assuming you never come on the show again, how do you imagine your

relationship with Jared will be viewed by the rest of your peers? You know, that's an interesting question. I think that now that we're so. solidly together and we're actually going to work through stuff and I'm not going to do my part of the dance and freeze and flee. And he's so much in and invested and I feel really safe emotionally now to stay and work there. I think that it doesn't really matter what anyone thinks because I'm going to defend it to the death like everybody else. You know, I'm going to do, I'm going to do a better job of defending the privacy of what he wants to be kept private and are

ins and outs like everybody else does. Everyone else defends their relationship to the death, and that's what I'm going to do. Good. He deserves, he deserves act. I mean, he's such a good person, and I want to shine a big spotlight on that rather than just our down moments.

Well, Jared, I appreciate you coming. Thanks for having me. How do you feel like this went? Were you happy with it? Are you glad you showed up? I'm glad I showed up. You know, it's always nice to have a platform to speak. and know that I'm not just going to have a two and a half minute edit like on the show.

So it's nice. I mean, I have to own what I've done wrong. And like I said, that's the only path forward. But it is important to me that private things and sacred things in a relationship remain that. And that's why, you know, I think as we're working through things, and it'll get better and better, I hope. And the show is very polarizing for me and for my kids. And so we're hopeful to work through all that.

I mean, that's really the hope that I have. And so, yeah. I'm grateful for the time. I appreciate you guys having me. We appreciate you coming. It's always good to see you, Ray. It's so good to see you guys. When are you going to get a snowflake?

Well, I got one last night at John Hills show. Just kidding. He gave me a snowflake. I don't know. I don't know. I hope it's this season, though. Me too. I hope.

Me too. You deserve it. Either way. Either way, I'm literally so grateful to just be where I am doing what I'm doing. Okay. Well, happy New Year's, guys. Thanks so much for happiness. To a stable 2026 for you two.

Thank you. Cheers to that. Ding, ding, ding. Can I, the chances you two don't break up in 2026. We are hopeful that we're just going to show up every day and do our very best and communicate and try to get over our triggers. We're going to choose each other and try. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

That's true. That's, I don't know what else we can do. I think that's the biggest thing. So far, so good. It's been a month. And usually we would have broken up twice by now. Okay. Okay.

There you go. Well, thank you guys for listening. Thank you to Jared and thank you to Brittany. Have a very happy new year. And we'll see you next year. Thank you.