The Viall Files - E1057 Rhoslc With Fancy Hagood Vpr New Years Resolutions And Kyle And Mauricio Reconnected

Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm not into fitness, but I run in tight circles. Another. You are who your friends are, and my friends are stars. Sexy. I don't just stir the pot. I smoke it. Unlike my schedule, I'm flexible. Oh my God, these are great.

Starting point is 00:00:15 I'm disappointed every year when they put out, like, the taglines. I'm like, who's doing this? Fashion, fashion, fashion. It's going on, everybody. Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Valfiles reality recap edition. host, Nick, joined by my marvelous, splendidly superior wife. Wow. Someone's been reading his the thoris.

Starting point is 00:00:53 No, that's off the top of my old head. Yeah. Happy New Year. Happy New Year, everybody. Everyone listening. Happy New Year to the household. That includes everyone here. Sierra, Mary, Justin, Leah, all of you guys listening, we're so happy to be with you

Starting point is 00:01:11 in the Year of Our Lord 2020. You are Lord. Well, isn't that what the 20206 is based off of the Christian calendar? Lord can mean many different things. For me, she's a pop singer. Oh, yeah. L-O-R-D-E. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:25 L-O-R-D-E, Lord. The Year of Our Lord. Anyway, I hope you're all doing well. We have a great year lined up for you, honestly. It's really excited to bring you all the great content we're going to deliver in 2026. Starting with this episode, we have a great week lined up for you. We got fancy.

Starting point is 00:01:43 A good coming up this episode. He is a very talented musician, also hilarious and huge Bravo fan, specifically of our ladies in the mountains, our Salt Lake City ladies. He's also a fan of Potomac, and he'll be with us to break down the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. It's the new year, so I don't know how you guys spent your holidays. It is tough to start being productive again. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:07 I'm excited, but Virgo. Yeah, no, I am also excited. I was like, okay, let's go. I've been laying down a lot. Yeah. It's really tough doing nothing for a long period of time. I was like, I need to put on makeup. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:21 I endured it while it lasted, but now I'm like, all right, 2026, let's get this. Yeah. It's like another day of just sitting here. Yeah. Literally. A little couch rot, a little bed rot. Oh, my God. The amount, you know, when you come out of the break and you're just like, I am chopped,

Starting point is 00:02:38 I am cooked, I have eaten so many cookies. I have drank so much alcohol and I need to just like... The resolutions come in. Lock in. Yeah. Yeah. No drink in January. Maybe I'll work out more.

Starting point is 00:02:53 I'm doing damn January. I didn't drink much alcohol, but I did dabble in other things. Substances. You had a green Christmas and an even green on New Year's? You gardening? The Grinch. What did you guys do on New Year's Eve? Do you guys celebrate?

Starting point is 00:03:08 Oh, my God. Yes. I had an amazing New Year's. It was my first. like quiet New Year's. Connor and I went to the Beverly Hills Hotel. They just kept giving us credits for our room, which was so nice. And then we had like a beautiful sit-down dinner.

Starting point is 00:03:24 And then after dinner, we did a photo booth. Went to our room before midnight, rang in the New Year. And then we took a two-hour bubble bath just talking and listening to music. And it was just like really nice to feel very. Do you and Connor just a two-hour bubble bath? Like, yeah, he didn't plan on it. But like I was like, that's bubble baths are kind of my thing. I'm a Meredith Marks in that kind of sense

Starting point is 00:03:43 and he wants to spend time together I was like this would make my perfect New Year's That's really sweet He does love me a lot And how funny were you? After two hours You know that wasn't really like a case check-in Also like we'd been drinking throughout the night

Starting point is 00:03:59 He thought we were only in the bathtub for like 45 minutes I was like that was a two hour bath? Wow Two hours Two hours When was the last time Connor's taking a bath by himself? Never Never

Starting point is 00:04:08 What music were you listening to him? Oh my God It was an eclectic mix. Let me tell you what. I don't have enough time. Did you all kiss at midnight? Yes, we did. No, I'm honestly just blown away by this.

Starting point is 00:04:19 It's two-hour bath. Nally, every once in a while, I'll be like, can you join me in my bath? And I'm always like, oh, my God, yeah, for sure, because I love you so much. And then five minutes later, I'm... Out of there. I'm anxious. It's just hot, and it's not the same as a hot tub. It kind of is, though.

Starting point is 00:04:38 Like, listen, time flies when you're a little in talking about. You've got some good tunes going. And then it's like there's topic after topic after topic to talk about it. It was like time just flew. I have a question. Are you facing each other in the bathtub? A mixture of both. Okay.

Starting point is 00:04:51 You change positions. We face each other. Sometimes I was laying on him. Just like talking. As Mulan said, reflections. Yeah. I'm like really excited. That's the person I'm starting the new year with now.

Starting point is 00:05:01 You got a keeper, Sarah. I do. Thank you. I don't think I don't, babe, I love you so much. I don't think that I could take a two hour bath. Do you want to tell them what we did do on New Year's Eve? I would love to know what you guys did on New Year's Eve. We'd chilled.

Starting point is 00:05:16 Made some dinner. I don't know. We didn't watch any New Year's Eve programming. Did you guys celebrate? What do you might celebrate? Like a toast? We watched Homeland, for those of you who don't know. Well, Claire Dane's moment.

Starting point is 00:05:29 Claire Dane's. Yeah. Great show on Showtime. It came on 2011. It's on Netflix now. Yeah. It's a Showtime. Well, it's a Showtime show.

Starting point is 00:05:38 It originated on Showtime. You can watch it on Netflix now. Anyways, I got Natalie into it. So we've been binging that. So we watched that. Now we fell asleep. I don't know. We both fell asleep, but like 10.

Starting point is 00:05:50 But then I magically woke up at like 1158. And then it was midnight and I woke up Natalie. And I said, Happy New Year. Did you? A little pet. You don't remember? No. You did?

Starting point is 00:06:03 Yeah. Oh. Okay. You rolled over, gave me a little peck. We went to. You went to sleep. That's cute. Last year we did like watch the, we were in LA and we watched like New York ball drop.

Starting point is 00:06:16 You know, it's like 9 p.m. Then we, you know, went to bed. But we didn't even watch that. I did hear that Times Square was like very empty this year. I heard that it wasn't empty, but there was so many volunteers throwing confetti that you couldn't see the ball if you were in the Times Square. I heard that nobody was having to wear diapers because they were just like they. What do you mean diapers? Usually people wear diapers because they're standing there all day long.

Starting point is 00:06:40 a thing. No, first of all, it's a different type of human being that that signs up to do New Year's Eve in Times Square, but they start lining up like a day or two beforehand. And I did watch a TikTok where it was a guy I was talking about how, bless his heart, the woman next to him was wearing a diaper. He pulled out panty liners and was like, no, you just pee on these. So I was like, there are just people pissing on themselves in Times Square to see that ball drop. And apparently, what was it, the confetti? People were throwing confetti. Well, because people don't know this, but it's not machines that, like, shoot confetti out. It's volunteers that, like, are in the buildings surrounding. In their apartments. In their apartment or just on top of the businesses.

Starting point is 00:07:18 And they just throw so much that there's videos from Times Square where you can't even see the ball drop when it hits, like, New Year's. So these are just random. So you're in frozen pea diapers. Yes. And it's usually cold. And you can't see the ball. Yes. And you can hear people in the background being like, oh my God, you can't see it. Or like, come on. Because you hear everybody say, like, happy New Year's. But then all you see is just like a cloud. a confetti above you. Do you feel like you do that once and then you never go back? Or do you feel like these are people who are like loyal year after year wearing the diapers doing it? I feel like it has to mean something to you. It has to. You know what I mean? Like for me, I'm like there's just no world in

Starting point is 00:07:55 which I would ever want to see the ball drop that badly that I wouldn't figure out a way to be somewhere where I could see it not. Especially now that it's like televised. It's like, I could just watch it at home. Yeah. But I'm like if there was like a hotel or something. where it's like, oh, you got a good view of it. You just got to pay extra. Then I'm like, if I really wanted to see it that bad, that's how I would do it. It's the bathroom part. Like, I would need a hotel that's in the square.

Starting point is 00:08:18 I don't care what it's costing if I'm going to go through it. If you leave your spot, you can't get back. Exactly. Like, how are you surviving? I think you have like a survival backpack kit. You have to pee in your pants, which I'm not willing to do. How are you changing that diaper? How are you?

Starting point is 00:08:33 Where are you changing that diaper? Just in the middle? Sounds like an episode of special forces. Honestly. The only the strongest. will survive and I'm out day one, our one. I just don't know if I want to ring in the new year about to piss my pants and feeling like I'm going to explode.

Starting point is 00:08:48 It really goes up from there though. That's true. Yeah. It's like the year started with me peeing my pants and then I got a promotion. Uh-huh. Only can go up from here. Well, with the new year comes at new goals. Does anyone have any New Year's resolutions?

Starting point is 00:09:03 I do. I'm so bad at these. That's why I'm like, I think I'm just too realistic that I'm like, okay. Like, I would like to be healthier. I would like to, but I'm like, who knows how stressed I'll be in March. Yeah. Okay, well, guys, my, my resolution is I want to, like, follow through, which is the most evil resolution for me to set for myself because if you look at the stats, like the only kept,

Starting point is 00:09:24 it's like 10% of New Year's resolutions are kept long term, which is crazy. You just want to follow through. Like, that's what it is. Yeah. I didn't eat sugar all last year. I did have one of my mom's cookies over the holidays. You're part of that 10%. Well, she also made this really delicious, uh,

Starting point is 00:09:40 like she's into sourdough making her and the Mormon wives too. And she made this like sourdough cinnamon bread. It's basically like a giant cinnamon roll, but I classified it as bread. So therefore I could eat it. It was covered in frosting, by the way. But sourdough got healthy. Exactly. There you go.

Starting point is 00:10:00 Yes, it is. Loophole. Well, recently deadline came out with a very compelling list of the most talked about, look forward to reality TV shows of 2026. It's a comprehensive list. They have 31 shows that they think fans like you who love reality TV should be looking forward to. And it is a fascinating list. We have starting January 8th on Bravo, the Valley Persian style.

Starting point is 00:10:24 So excited. Yeah, I love Mercedes, MJ. I met her at Crystal Minkoff's holiday party. We sat beside each other. And she is so funny. So I just know bringing her back to TV is smart. If it's anything like Shaw's of Sunset, I'll take it. It's all my favorites from Shaw's.

Starting point is 00:10:43 And I'm just like a little less trauma dumping, a little more. Let's fucking go. Let's fucking go. It is crazy because Traders also airs that day. Traders is also on this list. Iconic. Fear Factor. Johnny Knoxville Fear Factor.

Starting point is 00:10:56 Fear Factor is one. I feel like maybe I'm not as much in the loop on. I find, you know, I'm also in fear. I don't want to watch all the cockroaches that you are. going inside of your ears and in your nose. Like that is a hard show for me. I think it's going to be really popular though, but I agree. I've never was a huge Fear Factor fan.

Starting point is 00:11:17 I did not know that Joe Rogan hosted it. Yeah. For years. For years. That's how we got to, well, that's not how we got to start, but that was probably where he got. That's how I learned who he was. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:27 That's crazy. He was on Spin City back in the day. So when he was a podcaster, I was like, you mean the guy that hosted Fear Factor? Yeah. In The City is also on here, the spinoff of Summer House. Lindsay Hubbard, Amanda, Kyle Cook. This one, I think, is definitely going to be good. Love Overboard on Hulu, hosted by Gabby Wendy.

Starting point is 00:11:46 Basically, it's like a dating show on a yacht in Greece. It's giving like below deck dating show. Same producers who produce your favorite show, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. So it's a very talented production company. And I've heard working with those people that they're very excited about the show. And from what I've heard, I think it's going to be very. popular and fun to watch.

Starting point is 00:12:10 Ladies of London is coming back. Did we know when that's coming out? They don't. I think they announced the other one. Yeah, they don't have a date yet. 2026. But also, we're a housewives of Rhode Island featuring friend of show Ashley I.

Starting point is 00:12:22 Kemeti. When does that come out? Doesn't say. It's a good year. On the interview. 2026. It comes out in 20206. It's a good year for housewives because we have

Starting point is 00:12:32 ultimate road trip, girls trip coming back, obsessed. Ladies of London, which is like an OG. kind of style of housewives Goodyear? Mm-hmm. And Netflix popping off too. We got a little...

Starting point is 00:12:44 Is that age of attraction on that list, I see? Age of Traction. Also on the list. Age of Attraction, hosted by yours truly, Natalie Joy and me. Listen, obviously we're biased. I'll just read the blur. I'll just read the blur.

Starting point is 00:12:56 Let's read it. I'm just going to read the blur. Love is Blind has clearly been Netflix's biggest hit in the unscripted space over the years. It is now trying to replicate that dating success with age of attraction, while Love is Blind

Starting point is 00:13:07 and aim to see if looks weren't a factor, age of attraction will ask a similar question about age. The series, which comes from Velvet Hammer Media and was filmed in Whistler in Vancouver, features daters ranging from 22 to 59. You know, listen, we're biased. We were part of the show.

Starting point is 00:13:23 But you never really know what to expect with these new shows. When we were asked to host it, obviously we're very appreciative of Netflix and excited to be part of the Netflix family. But like, as you guys know, new shows, new reality TV shows, you know, what love is blind was able to,

Starting point is 00:13:37 do what are they under ninth season? So hard to do. But I think Netflix in general is really excited about this potential. And honestly, like, knowing the interest around love is blind, I really think people are going to love age of attraction. I think a lot of people are going to be talking about it. It's a very compelling premise. I also think people are going to be pleasantly surprised with just how the show unfolds. I think a lot of people are, you know, upfront judgments, as people tend to do with an age gap, but I think they'll be pleasantly surprised. No. Well, you know, we'll see.

Starting point is 00:14:09 But I think the show might be around for a while. I do have a question for you guys. Was Alex Earl and Tom Brady on the cast? Because they were out and about on New Year's Eve. I'm here for it, guys. She just got out of her relationship with Braxton. Like, you know, he's a big football star. And, like, can you imagine Braxton sitting at home being like?

Starting point is 00:14:30 It's revenge. Like, and I talk about revenge. And I don't even know if that's like her intention, but it is like kind of one of those things like where they're like, oh, I'm going to break up with you and then I'll date your favorite star. And it's like, okay, you're an aspire, you're working up to be like a top football player. And then it's just like your ex is like, you know what? I'm just going to spend New Year's Eve with Glenn Powell and Miles Teller. And then you know what? Why don't I canoodle with Tom Brady?

Starting point is 00:14:54 And you'll find out all about it. The greatest football player of all time. Like literally. And Braxton, you listen, very hard to make it to the NFL. You really have accomplished something by going that far. But Braxton, no shade. You know, he was on the team. He's certainly on the team.

Starting point is 00:15:12 Let's put it this way. I am a NFL super fan. I know so much about the NFL and its players. And the first time I've heard of Braxton was because of Alex Earl. Oh. And so, you know, to have Alex Earl make you famous as an NFL, NFL player and then pivot after you break up to the greatest football player of all time. She ain't messing around.

Starting point is 00:15:38 It's pretty. Don't fuck with Alex Earl. She's not crying in the club. No, she's not crying in the club for Alex. She, it's the kind of like, I say, and I say that I mean evil as a compliment in this way. Like, it's the kind of evil behavior like I want to bring it into 2026. It's like, yeah, be messy.

Starting point is 00:15:55 But also like effortless. Like, you know what I mean? Like, because you know that wasn't her intention. No, she's just being herself her natural charm. And like, if that brings. you into a messy situation, so be it. And in that video, she looked like she was comforting, Tom. I was going to say, we also technically don't know that they are dating.

Starting point is 00:16:09 They're definitely not dating. They're not saying that they're dating. They were just getting cozy. God forbid someone gets cozy on New Year's Eve. They could be friends at this point, right? Not really. Just one could infer on New Year's Eve. They're there for each other.

Starting point is 00:16:23 Yeah. Support. Emotional support. It's a hard time. I feel like I'm just like her proud. I feel proud of Alex Earle. Do you guys feel proud of Kyle Maricio for your once again proving that they're the Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez of Bravo? I kind of love it.

Starting point is 00:16:42 I really do. Honestly, I was thinking about them over a holiday break. I really was. You're falling asleep being like, I wonder if they're kissing. Listen, let me explain. Yes. Like there's so much I don't know about the relationship. It would be nice if they shared a little bit more about, hey, you know, whatever.

Starting point is 00:17:01 But like, listen, like, they present as a family, right? They have these lovely daughters all accomplished. No matter what's going on in this family with the drama, whether it's show related or personal related, they're still together. No matter what, there is a clear respect that Mauricio has for Kyle and vice versa. And I think that is a beautiful thing. You know, they've been married for years. I don't know what happened in the relationship or why the love or the romance maybe got put on. pause or whatever reason, but like they are still prioritizing their family. And more than anything,

Starting point is 00:17:37 when it comes to the holidays and each other, the fact that they have this huge amount of respect for each other seemingly, and they've decided that maybe for whatever reason, some of their aspects of their relationship don't work anymore. Yeah, like the fact that they can still get together and celebrate their family without the drama. You know what I'm saying? I just think it's a beautiful thing for them to still be able to do that. And they still have, their family, you know, and they didn't blow up their family because of things going on in their relationship that are sensitive and might be hard to process. And I just think it's a beautiful thing that they've been able to do that. And the fact that Kyle Maricio clearly have

Starting point is 00:18:17 this respect for each other, I think is admirable. And I think it's a great thing, knowing how difficult relationships are. And I just, I have a lot of respect for how they've gone about the end of their marriage. And I think they should be applauded for that. So for clarity, people saw the duo together at Kate Hudson and Kate Hudson's New York Eve party in Aspen. Someone is quoted saying they were really enjoying one another's company. They had their arms around one another and were very touchy and warm with one another all night. They were very obviously together and wanting to spend the party by one another's side. If you didn't know they had split up, you would presume they were still happily married.

Starting point is 00:18:52 I love that for them. Yeah, I don't think they're going to get back together anytime soon. No. Yeah, I think they're going to take their time. I also think that we've talked about this in the past, but I just think that people in long-term relationships forget, like, how to date each other while being together. And so I think, like, you know, you're hurt. You've seen other people. You dated other people. And then it's like to, like, still have that connection, that chemistry with the person that you were married to.

Starting point is 00:19:15 Like, I'm like, now I feel like they're going to start dating each other again. This is also kind of what Chase Stokes said about Kelsey Ballerini because they're also back together. And I don't know if you want to read that what he said in his post on New Year's. Chase Stokes posted something I've learned this year. don't take advantage of the most beautiful things that in 33 years of life are fleeting. Take accountability, learn from mistakes, lean into love, and say it often. 2026, my year of growth, my year of truth. Starting here, starting now, happy New Year's, Red Heart.

Starting point is 00:19:43 That sounds like Kelsey made them right, though. No, Kelsey posted her own thing. Oh, she also posted something. Because they had a very messy breakup last year, right? Was it messy? As in like the end of the year. Yeah, there was like a story post and like announcing the breakup. he posted something saying that she had blocked him.

Starting point is 00:20:00 So it's like people were like, oh, they're definitely not getting back together. And then when they were speculated, it was like absolutely not. Getting back together with an ex, I usually find that you broke up for a reason. Yep. But sometimes, you know, things work out. Yeah. Well, it's interesting because I just looked up some stats on it. And so only 32% of X's will get back together.

Starting point is 00:20:21 And of those people that get back together, roughly 18% have stayed together for over a year. after reconciling. So it's not the best stat, but it's not nothing. Kelsey posted before Chase did, and it was like a picture of her kissing, and it was a very silhouettey photo. You could almost be like, who is that? But she posted messy year for the heart, messy year for the outside coming in, messy year for the way it became an out of our hands portrayal of it. But what I'll say, and all I really care to share indefinitely with my personal life anymore, is that I really love, love. I believe in it. I believe in him and I believe in breaking patterns. Now go kiss your person and stop speculating. Obviously, we have the real housewives of Salt Lake City to talk about.

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Starting point is 00:24:06 with you, man. Likewise. First, let's start its new year. How was your new year's? My New Year's was interesting. Say more. Interesting decisions. I went to Jersey. Jersey City. That's an interesting decision. It is. And I had never been before. How did you wind up in a place you've never been before? I have some friends who live in Jersey. And so they were like, we should do New Year's. So I was just like, I didn't have any other plans. So I was like, why not? And it was kind of cool. I got to go to like, I didn't know this, but technically the Statue of Liberty is basically in Jersey. It's a very New York thing. I think the like down the river, it's like the, it goes around. So you can access statue.

Starting point is 00:24:43 of Liberty via Jersey. You're closer to the Statue of Liberty in Jersey City than you are in New York. In New York. So I got to watch the fireworks from the Statue of Liberty, which was kind of cool. Like you were at Statue of Liberty? No, no, no. Fireworks were at. I worded that weirdly.

Starting point is 00:24:59 I realized. I was at Liberty Park, I think is what it's called, looking at the Statue of Liberty watching fireworks. So that was pretty cool. That is cool. Being in Jersey City was random for this Southern Bell. I mean, do you feel like your... do that again next year or ever again.

Starting point is 00:25:16 I don't know that it'll be an annual thing, but with me, you never know. I might get a wild hair to go to Jersey City once more, and who knows? Did you hit up a casino? No, I'm not a gambling gal. Okay. First of all, I did this like fundraiser thing in Fort Lauderdale one time, and they put me up at the hard rock, which I found out I am rock hard hard rock. I didn't know.

Starting point is 00:25:40 That big old guitar. Yes. I've seen it. Yes. My manager Natalie was with me and we like pull up and I was like, what is this? And then next thing I know I'm having the time of my life. But I am not a gambler. I had a wild run on roulette.

Starting point is 00:25:57 But I only guess colors. Yeah. I don't do the number thing. I'm a color girl. I feel like the odds are in your favor there. And I had like a wild run. And then I lost everything. And there's also not a lot of gambling games that are in color.

Starting point is 00:26:12 Right. A lot of them aren't a lot of numbers based. Isn't it? Are you all casino people? No. Nick's pretty good at a blackjack, right? I mean, like when I go to Vegas, when I have to, I don't make, I'm definitely not one of those like, got to make a trip to Vegas. Sometimes I end up in Vegas.

Starting point is 00:26:32 And when I end up in Vegas, I'll play back blackjack and sometimes I win money. I'm definitely not. I know how to play. I'm not. I went to Vegas one time, but I was with my parents. So it wasn't, I don't think I got a Vegas experience. Yeah. I'm like thinking like the real world Las Vegas.

Starting point is 00:26:49 Like that's what in my head I was thinking, but then I was with my mom and dad. With palms. Yeah, it's just kind of, I was like, this is not, I need to do, I need a Vegas redo, but I don't know that I want to do it. No, there's honestly, Vegas isn't like, I feel like what maybe it used to be. I feel like people used to rave about Vegas. It's not, the recent times I've been has been like, it's time to get home. Well, why do I want to go to Vegas when I can go to a giant guitar-shaped hotel in Fort Lauderdale? So true.

Starting point is 00:27:21 Which also, I found this other place called Wilton Manors, which isn't that far from Fort Lauderdale. And it's basically like a gay retirement community. And it's just like this little town and it's just filled with gay bars and all these retired old gay men. And I'm like, now this is the life. Mary's head just popped up. This is my Vegas. Yeah, I went to dinner with this group of men and we're like sitting there and one of the guys's name was Gino. He was like 87 years old trying an edible for the first time.

Starting point is 00:27:51 I'm like, this is everything. Heaven. I love Fort Lauderdale. I love Wilton Manors. That's not how I felt in Jersey City. It's, but. A little different. You know.

Starting point is 00:28:00 Yeah. Can't win them all. Well, when you're not making beautiful music and collaborating with other rock stars like Megan Traynor, you're also a big reality TV. fan oh my god it's my i would say it's my guilty pleasure but i don't feel guilty about it at all at all i have loved reality tv since like i don't know i found like the real world v h1 flavor of love all that stuff i've been watching reality tv before i was like allowed to watch reality did you watch bad girls club yes and my favorite season of bad girls club was the new orleans one it was wild you ain't getting asleep because of me yeah yeah yeah i'm going to sleep because you

Starting point is 00:28:38 Yeah. She was also just on the House of Villains, wasn't she? Yes. Yeah, I liked Bad Girls Club, but the New Orleans one was the one that I was fully invested in. Are you mostly invested in Salt Lake City Housewives or do you jump around to all of them? I'm an equal opportunist when it comes to Real Housewives. I watch all of them even if I don't like it necessarily. Like I didn't love Dallas. I watched every episode. Of course. It's just like, I love it. It is such good television. I think it's brilliant. I will say, I think Salt Lake City is the crown jewel of the Bravo universe. And I have said that since its first season. I'm not one of these bandwagon bitches watching like season four being like, wow, this is great. No, I was there since hospital smell.

Starting point is 00:29:27 And I love it. And I will not hear any negative things about Salt Lake City. I don't receive it. I like catch myself like arguing with people online when they're like hating on the Salt Lake City Housewives. I'm like, grow up. Get over yourself. How do you feel like the Mormon wives of Utah compared to the housewives of Salt Lake City? I'm like this is, I feel like it's like this whole universe, like this Salt Lake City universe. And it's no coincidence. I saw the book of Mormon, the play for the first time. And it's all about, you know, Salt Lake and whatnot. And now we have all

Starting point is 00:30:01 these amazing reality shows out of Salt Lake City. They give. I'm like what? There's no one. That's what I love about both the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and Real House Wives of Salt Lake City, there's no one not playing. Do you know what I mean? They are all showing up. They know the assignment. They're doing it. And that's what I love about it. That's what makes it such brilliant television. There's no sleeper characters. Nick said one time, he was like, I don't know if it's because of the religion that maybe they feel like they can't lie. So they're just like, you smell like a hospital. That's a solid point. I think Mary Cosby has no guilty conscience. I think if she feels it, she's just going to say it.

Starting point is 00:30:41 And a hospital smell can be triggering. Let's be real. And it's so true. And it is so distinctive as well. Yeah. I didn't know. Like when they started like being like, oh, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

Starting point is 00:30:52 Like when they were like teasing it on Bravo, I was kind of like, that is not going to be good. And I was like, why are they doing that? There's so many other cities. And then I watched it. And I had like kind of waited. So I got to binge like the first four episodes of season one. And I was hooked.

Starting point is 00:31:07 I was like, incredible. And I think it's a kind of a rare thing in the Bravo universe for one show to give like that every season. There's not been a boring season. There hasn't. And there's really not a boring character. I think they all go in like little seasons and episodes, but like for the majority on other ones, I'm always like when it gets to some certain housewives, I'm like, phone time. They're giving no matter what. And it's just kind of like you said, some people have better seasons than others, but I learned about, you know, WWE. So when I lived in L.A, I had a friend that was a W.W.E. Diva. Shout out, Summer Ray.

Starting point is 00:31:49 But I had never been to a wrestling match before. And I went and A, I figured out that is so homoerotic. It's so hot. Secondly, when my friend came out, I didn't realize that she played a villain. So She let comes walking out. And the whole, arena starts booing and like going nuts and I'm like she's the nicest woman I've ever met like summer's like no not yeah yeah I'm like getting arguments with people around me I'm like so disappointed in these people but then afterwards I was like talking her about it and she's like no I'm a heel like that's if they're all booing and freaking out like that that means I'm doing my job so I think it's the same with reality TV that's how I kind of view it um people start hating on people and I'm like they're doing

Starting point is 00:32:34 they're doing their job it's fascinating though because I you know you know I think with WWE, to your point, that community of stars, they kind of understand the assignment. Exactly. The term heel has been around in that community for a long time. And to your point, like Summer Ray, who like knew she was a heel, but with reality TV, in my experience and the people we cover, no one wants to be the villain. And very few people on reality TV embrace that role. I think sometimes they'll take it on the chin. But unlike WWE, where they, embrace it and they like it and they lean in. I think very few reality TV stars do that because I also

Starting point is 00:33:13 think part of it is like now that WWE is at where it's at, like you know it's quote unquote fake. Well, they're all playing a role. Yeah. Where these people on reality TV are being themselves for the most part. Ish. Yeah. Yeah. But but I do think, you know, when you're making, now granted, I've never been on a reality TV show. I don't know how, but I never have been. And I think You have to know, I know for myself, if there was a whole crew of people, I have a personality that could be edited several different ways. I have to know going into this, they could make me, you know, the BFF. They could make me the giant asshole. Yeah. And then at the end of it, you know, when you get made the asshole, you're like, it was editing. It's because they are filming all parts of you. And like, people do have control over that. But I do think you have to know going into being filmed 24-7 for a T. TV show. There is a risk. You're going to be a villain. Yeah. But as a saying I heard a long time, well, not too long gone on a TV show. It was like no one's the villain in their own story, which is very fascinating in life. That is fascinating. And then when you think about it in the reality TV world, like, yeah, when you find out, and usually you find out via the edit, you know, it's not like, usually producers are like, hey, just by the way, you're the bad guy this season. See, I think if a producer were to tell me like, hey, we're doing it to you. Like, it's happening. the season. It's your turn. It's your turn. I would be like, well, here we go. And I would just lean in.

Starting point is 00:34:43 On my second iteration of The Bachelorette when I was on a long time ago, I had a friend who tried to convince me to go full Joaquin Phoenix at AFR, like show up, kind of drunk, like full-grown beard, maybe like food in the beard and just go full villain. I thought about it. But you said no? No, I chickened out. People are going to make you the villain no matter what at some point. So it's like, You might as well lean in and control the narrative. Because if you're in on the joke or in on the bit, it's kind of like people calling you names or being bullies online or whatever. If you're in on it, it's kind of like, yeah, guys, I know.

Starting point is 00:35:21 Yeah, the best thing to do I think is I've learned is just whatever people want to think, just let it just embrace it, you know. And to your point also about you're never the villain in your own story, that's what I love about the secret lives of Mormon wives is because I feel like the villain jumps from time to time there and you kind of never know where you're going to land there. That from season one to season two, whole different ballgame of who's...

Starting point is 00:35:48 And you hosted that reunion. The first reunion, yeah. What was that like? Sorry, and now I'm the host. What was that like? It was fascinating. I mean, like, I've gotten to those women over the years of having them on the show

Starting point is 00:35:59 and I have a ton of respect for all of them because I know what it takes to make a show like that and they really do to their credit. You know, I think some reality, TV stars, you know, are better at, like, setting boundaries from themselves. I'll do this. I won't do that. And I think all those women have, you know, for better or worse, you can debate, you know, whether their mental health is where it should be or needs to be. But for our viewing pleasure, they give it their all. Yeah, they know. These women have never stopped filming. They already finished

Starting point is 00:36:29 rep. They've, they've filmed season four already. I think now that Taylor-Paul's done filming the Batch Thorette. I think they're back into filming season five. Wow. That's actually great. Is unheard of. They do two seasons a year. As they should. And I don't know that that's enough for me. I'm like, I've never been more addicted to Stranger's Drama before than I am that show. Like the crossover idea for Taylor Frankie Paul to be the Bachelorette. That made me salivate when I heard that. Chess kiss. Yeah, it's like, I will be watching that.

Starting point is 00:37:04 It's it, you know, even that group of women, I told the story, but like when I've hosted that reunion, Taylor Frankie Paul is the only reality TV star I've interacted with. That kind of understood that. And before we started, she's like, push us, ask us anything. There's no question off limits. I mean, she spoke, I guess, for the group and it came from her. But I really respected that. Not everyone in that cast feels that same way.

Starting point is 00:37:28 I mean, that's the energy I would expect from her when you're like getting on TikTok to be like, hey, me and all my friends, We're swingers, PS. And by the way, like, I'm like, who is this woman? And shout out to whoever decided to make that a TV show after all that drama, because brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. If you had to choose Jenshaw or Monica to come back, who are you picking? Oh, God.

Starting point is 00:37:52 It can't be Jinshaw. It can't be. It can't be. It can't be. But I don't want it to be Monica either. And I think people are split on that. I think people online want to, I think there's a lot of Monica stands. Why don't you think it could be Monica?

Starting point is 00:38:04 I just personally don't want it to be. You're not a fan. I wanted to be a fan. I wanted to root for her. I liked the realness of someone who's like, I'm a single mom. I don't get along with my mom. I don't make the same amount of money as these women. I don't quite fit in.

Starting point is 00:38:18 I had an affair with my brother-in-law. Yeah. Oh, was Monica the original Taylor, Frankie Paul? Are you turning me into a Monica fan right now? I don't dislike Monica. I liked Monica. But the whole reality of Antis. The whole that, I'm like, you can't be like a super fan and then be a housewife.

Starting point is 00:38:40 Like, that would like be like them turning me into a housewife. Like, that's not, I mean, unless Andy Cohen wants a male real housewife, I am all in, put me on that reunion couch, honey. Yes. But I'm like, wasn't Meredith also accused of making fake accounts to send information about her co-stars? And so is Lisa that I'm kind of like, if creating a fake account is the worst thing that you can do as a housewife, like I just. I just don't think that the crime fits not being able to come back. No, I know, but it's something about the optics to fancy's point. And I remember when the whole Monica Garcia of it all dropped, I was triggered.

Starting point is 00:39:15 Like, I was definitely not team Monica because I was like, I couldn't imagine having, you know, like the safe fan seems dirty. It's just like, oh, they're, but like some fans don't understand boundaries. But let's not forget. She was in Jenshaw's circle. She wasn't just like a fan online. I think that's the worst part of it for me is like she seemed like, I feel like this is like she worked for Jin Shaw. Like that's who she was close to.

Starting point is 00:39:46 And then Jin Shah got put in prison. So they're like, oh, let's pull this girl. It all seemed very kind of random to me. I also don't know that I believe that production did not know that she was reality ofontese because the masterpiece that was those final episodes that season. where they're all in the beach and like the lowy dresses and Heather's like receipts timelines screenshots everything I'm like it was so good and we had Monica at reunion be like no Andy like producers new like she was like to his face like yeah your producers knew he's like but they didn't she's been known to not tell the truth that's true that's true so it's tough to know

Starting point is 00:40:26 speaking of Monica she recently posted after this episode which we will get into our reality recap after this, but she posted a TikTok defending Meredith and says when everyone wants to accuse Meredith of being an alcoholic, but she wasn't the one that was taken away in an ambulance to the ER for alcohol poisoning and demanded the footage never be shown and Cass stay locked in their rooms while she got wheeled away to get her stomach pumped, allegedly. Meredith liked that post, by the way. Whoa. I love it. Meredith liked it.

Starting point is 00:40:58 Meredith liked it. Yeah. Because I do know that those women still to this day are triggered by. Monica Garcia. Of course. Who wouldn't be? Would you not be triggered like filming like an entire season

Starting point is 00:41:08 with someone just to find out they've been like bullying you online for years? But Jen Shaw was like the biggest bully to everyone's face. That's why I'm like when Angie said at BravoCon that she would have Jen back, it was very confusing.

Starting point is 00:41:21 It was like she dumped a glass of champagne over your head because you took the biggest room. Also Angie H's husband had a fintzda account to bully Lisa Barlow. Like I'm like they all do this. Well, but Jen Shaw went to prison And Angie wasn't brought back after that. So I feel like there are repercussions for people's actions.

Starting point is 00:41:39 And I think Monica being off the show, who would want to film with her after that? Do you think neither should come back? You're happy with cast as is. I think this cast is perfect. I agree. Why fix something that's not broken? I mean, even Bronwyn, her edition, I think, has been Chef's Kiss. Yeah, she's excellent.

Starting point is 00:41:57 Brittany? Oh, my God. Yet Brittany is the perfect kind of housewife for me. I have to be honest. it's the same as like Potomac. Are you all watching Potomac? So it's like Stacey Rush. Yes.

Starting point is 00:42:07 And Karen, the Grand Dame. My favorite kind of housewife is someone who is like, I'm unbothered, I'm unfazed, I live my reality and you are in my world now. And like you're not going to get me like Brittany is just, I just love her. I think she would probably drive me crazy. Like if I had to go on a friendship with her, I don't want you to splash me when I'm trying to Zen either. I don't want to be splashed.

Starting point is 00:42:31 In general. She's just trying to lighten the mood. No, the mood's light. We're in a zen space. But to her point, you know, they did pour a jug of water on her on a boat. So it's like, I get it. But I just think they're perfect. I think it's all this like great mix of like everyone living in their own delusion,

Starting point is 00:42:48 living their own life. They are the star of that show in their mind, all of them. And I think it makes it perfect television. Don't change a thing. I agree. Well, if you haven't been watching the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City over your holiday a break and you feel a little behind. We do have a rapid recap to bring you up to speed. Of the most recent episode, Angie once again was injured again on vacation, glass tray to the face. Meredith

Starting point is 00:43:12 has had a good night's sleep and is feeling less evil. Whitney is still trying to say Meredith is an addict. Mary just wants her to be okay. Bronwyn reveals that she ran into Seth in New York with a woman. At the spa where people are only allowed to whisper, Brittany starts splashing the girl's hair with water. They do not like that. Lisa reminds Brittany that Angie gave her a fresh blowout that morning with an injured hand, and it takes an hour to do with real hair, not synthetic hair like Brittany. So it is very offensive. And now Angie's people's, and now Angie has people's piss in her hair. Brittany is mad that no one cares if Olivia texted her for Mother's Day. Then she activates

Starting point is 00:43:47 Meredith and ruins her Zen by being herself, sad face. Whitney's steamer started squirting, but Heather was kind of into it. Heather also thinks there's something going on with Meredith. In other news, Lisa Barlow reveals an incredible tidbit about herself. She loves to read about trees and have her bare feet on the ground around them. She's actually obsessed with trees. She talks to them. They tap her on the shoulder and give her hugs. Every single treat in the world communicates. There's a hidden language. They have personalities anyway. Lisa also thinks Brittany was drinking in her bedroom on the yacht and that she is a little lush outky. But no one is accusing anyone of being an alcoholic because that's a serious allegation. Heather gets in trouble

Starting point is 00:44:21 for saying Britney is more successful than anyone at the table. Mary goes nuclear by calling Heather Britney's mouthpiece. Whitney and Lisa start going at it. Then they get kicked out of the restaurant. No, I think this is a really good time to just confess to you just in case it gets out. I'm pretty fancy. I did have lunch with Mary a couple weeks ago. So I just don't want any rumors to get out. It was a one-on-one work meeting.

Starting point is 00:44:45 Oh, you're saying, Seth, having a meeting with an investor in New York is not. I'm so sorry, I thought he was talking about Mary Cosby. The way that I was like, you went to lunch with Mary Cosby. Me too. No, no, no, Mary. That's what I thought, too. No, I wish. God, God.

Starting point is 00:44:58 We got everyone just excited. And now, Mary, Mary. No, Mary. No, you were talking to the wrong person about don't be mad. I was like, I'm furious. I'm fuming. Me. Yeah, me.

Starting point is 00:45:09 I'm like, okay. I love that for you. Hey, Natalie, jealous. Yeah. That, the, the, he almost got hit by car after. I will say, the dinner or the lunch with Mary and Bronwyn. Wait, Whitney. That is a tough.

Starting point is 00:45:24 They're just like, she has severe problems. Nick was like, this is the definition of projecting. 100%. She's like, well, I have a son who has problems. She's like, I had a dad who has problems. We know what's going on with Meredith. Yeah. Well, and also I just saw on Instagram before I came here and it made me laugh.

Starting point is 00:45:42 It was like the girls, Meredith's suffering. And then it shows a picture of Meredith just like DJing, like living her best life. Like I got to meet Meredith. She's the only one of the cast that I've ever met. I met her at the Glad Awards like two years back. And she was so perfectly kind and nice to me. She had no reason to be. She didn't know me.

Starting point is 00:46:02 And I was fan girling to the highest degree. She was so kind and nice that I don't buy all this stuff about her. She told her season one, I'm disengaging. So why anyone's surprised that she just like flatlines when people start getting confrontational until she doesn't. And then she like freaks out. And then people are like, oh, my God. Yeah. I do feel like this is textbook Meredith.

Starting point is 00:46:25 Like, she's always been like this. And also, like, I don't know what's going on in Meredith's life, but since they wrapped filming this past season, we, Natalie and I, we saw Meredith at one of her DJ sets where we got to do a shot ski with her. You met her entire family. You also saw him at BravoCon. I don't know, this family seems pretty together, pretty united.

Starting point is 00:46:46 Yeah. Meredith was lovely. She was DJing. She seemed not drunk or, you know, problematic. She seemed totally, I've never engaged. with her where I felt like, oh my God, what's wrong with Meredith? Also, I think it's like, so you said projection. Like, three women also talking about, you know, Seth seeing, being at a lunch with other

Starting point is 00:47:07 women, it's like, we ain't see Mary filming with her granddaddy, no more. Bronwyn, you know, obviously all that's come out. Whitney's talked about how hard it's been in her marriage. It's like, girlies. Like, this is not the time to talk about someone else's marriage. The Marx present is a very close family out in the wild. wild. So it is fascinating to your point that of all these relationships that have been open about their problems, the marks don't actually seem to have them. Well, also in the year of our Lord

Starting point is 00:47:35 26 now, it's like, and it was 20 to 24 when they filmed that probably, right? 25. Yeah, whichever. It's like you have Whitney and Brown one filming scenes talking about how they're freaky, freaky. It's like you don't know what other people have agreements on or what's allowed in other people's relationships or not. It's like, get, out of here with these rumors. And do you think he's like really out with a woman that he's sleeping with in public and then stopping to say hi to Todd and like be like this is an investor. His wife's a public figure. And also Bronwyn, you're leaving Todd because he is a trifling hoe. He's looking at lingerie women on the airport. Exactly. Todd is a trifling hoe. Of course he's coming here.

Starting point is 00:48:15 You're being like, well, guess what else is happening? You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Todd, thumbs down. Todd's the only real housewife of Salt Lake City I don't like. You don't like. No, not into that. I have to say what I've seen on the show, agree. Everyone we've met that has like been around Todd, they're like, he's amazing. They're lovely. He's lovely.

Starting point is 00:48:38 Them together is beautiful. He's so funny. He is charming. I mean, it's like stark difference from what we see on camera. I've never seen anything other than what I've seen on camera. I can't judge this. So I will be going by what I am seeing on camera. And thank you very much.

Starting point is 00:48:53 Yeah. The scene of them with. whispering the whisper fight, the funniest scene, I think, in reality. I just like... Well, for me, it's inception because some of my favorite, like, Instagram content is that guy who voiceovers housewife fights and making him whisper. It's like that famous Beverly Hills one where she's like, you beast. And it's just ASMR to like my favorite show ever. It's like brilliant.

Starting point is 00:49:17 Yeah. And then Salt Lake City just brings it to life on screen. Handed him his content. These women are perfect. And the splashing, like valid on their end. Not a place to splash. If you can't even talk, it's not a place to splash. Who gives a fuck?

Starting point is 00:49:34 It's a zen. It's a zen, no talking aloud. And you're going to like, he-he. Can you just ass nicely? Just be like, hey, not the time. No, it's like the annoying little sister, though, who has been poking you for like six days. And you're like, stop it. Stop it.

Starting point is 00:49:48 You need to stop. And then all of a sudden you're like so mad. It just like. You blow up. Yeah, and I also thought Lisa Barlow ate her up when she was like, at least y'all get to see your kids. And Lisa was like, you said that it's your choices. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:04 I thought she ate the house down with that one. Yeah, the synthetic hair was a little. I'm tired of them bullying her about her hair. Yeah. So we need to move on from her. I did love that high body count hair. Trademark. Oh, so good.

Starting point is 00:50:17 She trained. I loved that. She's like, it was against me. I took it. I think that's the level of petty I really love, but I wish she would have done it because it was petty. I think... Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:28 The way Heather triggered the rest of the women by saying Britney was more accomplished. First of all, she has a point. I get what she was saying. I don't know. I don't think she needed to put all the other women down in order to defend Brittany. I agree. And also, I don't think because you were on a lifetime Christmas movie with Tori Spelling that makes you the most successful.

Starting point is 00:50:50 I don't think it was just more of that, but again, to your... They're constantly picking on Brittany. What did Meredith say? She's like, I've gotten several beauty awards. But they just act like Britney is dumb and stupid and like serves no, you know, she just, she has nothing going for her. And like, they're not saying she, I don't know, was going to like run for president. They're just saying she's done some stuff.

Starting point is 00:51:13 And depending on who you ask, she's done some incredible things that some of the other women maybe have not done. I agree. But to Natalie's point, I don't think you have to diminish other people. people to lift another up. Yeah, well, not in the real world, but in reality TV. Yeah, I, you know, yeah, I get that point too, but the, I do love that it triggered everyone.

Starting point is 00:51:34 I think Brittany just triggers all of them. I don't get why, though. Because she films them. Have you ever been kicked out of a restaurant before? Well, yes. Yes, I have in London. How is one. What did you do?

Starting point is 00:51:47 I was hammered. I was with a group of friends and we went to this place called. the duke which serves martinis yeah and you're only allowed to have like two because they get you so and i'm a lightweight anyways and i had three because my friend didn't drink his second one so i drank it no and by the time we got to this restaurant we were all just like smashed having the time of our life but we were definitely like americans in a foreign city kind of vibe and these this other table just kind of started like taunting us like saying weird political things and i was really proud of my friend group, we really turned the Bravo Dial up and all met these people where they were wanting to meet

Starting point is 00:52:27 us and the next day I know, we're all being escorted out of the restaurant. So that is a thing. That did happen. It's the one and only time, but it was kind of like a real housewife. You didn't have anyone in your group being able to say, but this is my country. Unfortunately, no, we didn't. He's like, no, but ma'am, the restaurant is closed. Yeah. Do you think it was closed or do you think they just wanted to the, It looked very empty when they all arrived and they were like showing the restaurant. I was like, there's nobody there. Because my opinion about the spa and the restaurant is they have to have some sort of clearance

Starting point is 00:53:02 to film there. These people have to know what's about to happen. I mean, like... It's all extras. Everyone in frame has to sign a whatever consent. Yeah. So the whole like them getting kicked out and stuff like that, I'm like, they must just be there so late.

Starting point is 00:53:16 I didn't really think it was because they were misbehaving. Like being too loud. Yeah. I didn't either. Well? Before we let you go, you know, your music career is crushing. Thank you. Any new exciting things that we can look forward to coming out?

Starting point is 00:53:29 Yeah, so I just spent like the last year touring. I did my first headline USA tour and then I'm just wrapped up the year over in the UK touring with an amazing artist called C-MAT doing some pretty big shows. So now that I'm back home and the year started, we're about to gear up for album three. And you were discovered by Scooter Braun. Oh. Do you like that? I don't say that name.

Starting point is 00:53:52 Kuder Yon is what I call him. And don't cut that. Put that out there. And clip it. Yeah. No, yeah, I've had in a very interesting career. I was signed as a writer when I was like 22. But, you know, my dream has always been to be a country artist.

Starting point is 00:54:10 But when I came out of the closet, it was kind of scandalous to think of a country music artist being gay. And so I actually ended up getting a deal with Scooter. and moved to LAM had a whole pop career and now I'm back. I say this at all my shows. I don't mean to brag, but I've been dropped from every professional contract I've fitted into. So now I'm back in, thank you. So now I'm back in Nashville and I've been back since like 2016

Starting point is 00:54:35 doing things independently and doing things my way. And it feels really empowering and awesome. And I just keep kind of staying on the grind. Do you feel like the country music space has become more accepting and open to the LGBTQIA plus community? The answer is yes. Yes and no, and I'm candid about this all the time. I think music row has a lot of catching up to do. I mean, the fact that I think there's one openly gay male sign to a major label is interesting when you have so many amazing queer artists in town.

Starting point is 00:55:05 I've put out two albums in the last like four years. I can think of one ANR person who's called to talk to me about what I do musically and how they could potentially help. So I think the answer is yes and no. I think music grows really behind. I think labels are super behind. I think we have the proof in the pudding. An artist like T.J. Osborne coming out and being as successful as he's been and continuing to do great things. And I think it doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:55:36 And I think that's the proof. And I'm continuing to be able to do things on my own and my own way. And I'm amazed at the amount of people in Nashville who come to support me and help me. and I think that's a really beautiful thing. But yeah, I'm kind of done chasing Music Row and trying to fit in there. I'm actually really more invested in creating my own lane, my own avenue, my own thing, and finding the audience that needs to hear that they too, their stories matter in this genre. And we're finding that.

Starting point is 00:56:07 So I'm less interested in like trying to chase down the music row thing and waiting for them to catch up because that inevitably will happen. What is inspiring this new album? I grew up loving Nickel Creek. Nickel Creek has always been my favorite band, I mean, forever. So Bluegrass-inspired music is what I want to do next. And kind of sticking to my pop roots, you know, my first time putting music out was my first single was called Goodbye. It was a top 40 hit. And I write a lot of melodically pop stuff.

Starting point is 00:56:38 So I kind of want to infuse everything that's been a part of my career, being that pop artist called Who is Fancy, being myself. Fancy Haygood and writing music that's more true to me and kind of existing in the country space. But I think next I really want to make a pop album that's dressed in a bluegrassy, a lot of organic instruments, just kind of making accessible music like that for people. Speaking of, though, I feel like Nashville is a city that could really host a housewives show. I agree. And I was actually going to ask you, your opinion on this. Every time a reality show pops up out of Nashville, it never works. And I'm curious what your opinion on that is. That is true. Like, very cavaliery. Well, that would be the one that I think kind of did kind of,

Starting point is 00:57:27 like, but I don't feel like that's like Nashville based. I feel like that's Kristen Cavalari based. Yeah, yeah, that's true. And the same with like, there was another show on E that had, um, Jesse. Oh, Jesse James Decker. Yeah, Jesse James Decker. Yeah. Down home Decker's or something. Yeah, I feel like that was, that did pretty well. But I feel, again, I feel like that was more about her less about like an ensemble Nashville cast. You know what I think it is is that Nashville has really become like the hub of the South in terms of a media market, you know, and it's growing and you have a lot of country music artists. You have actors and celebrities who are all residing in Nashville. And I think they've tried to make TV shows with those people who are already kind of in entertainment.

Starting point is 00:58:10 And to that point, I think they're all very much like, I won't do that, I won't do that. They all have their kind of boundaries. They're all kind of trying to balance being good reality TV stars and what it really takes to do that versus like, you know, their brand or what, you know, their team might think. And there's just, it's, the life of reality TV star is not for the fan of heart. You know, there's a-draud. It needs drama. In some of these other cities, like say Salt Lake, there's not, you know, to be a housewives or the secret of Mormon wives is they're the most famous, arguably, and, you know, I don't know who all lives in Salt Lake City, but those, those groups of women are their celebrities.

Starting point is 00:58:47 They're like the biggest deal there. And I think, you know, it's just like a different world. I think that's part of the reason why. I think a lot of the people they're looking at in Nashville are too edited. They're too kind of like they've already got a taste of reality TV and they're all trying to like make it the next level. And I think what Bravo does a good job of of finding people who are willing to go there. And I think maybe Nashville just has a lot of people who aren't willing to go there.

Starting point is 00:59:11 I think that's a good point. Yeah, like the people who should do it. and would make it really good probably wouldn't do it. And they wouldn't do it to like what we'd want. You know, like they hot, you know, if I, I've known that like country music star wives have been like pitched around. I've seen that. And it's like, well, they wouldn't give it their all because they've got their, you know. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:59:33 No, no tea, no shade to wives of country artists. No one wants to watch that. What their Instagram's for. Yeah. Yeah. You follow them. And it's family friendly and it's cute. Go push your hair gummies and your extension lines and let that be that.

Starting point is 00:59:51 Okay. I want to see like, I want to see music executives. I want to see like the, if I were to cast like the Real Housewives of Nashville, Andy Cohen, call me. I have some ideas for you. Yeah, don't give them away right now. Yeah. And maybe it's time they put a gay on that couch.

Starting point is 01:00:10 Maybe there should be a gay real housewife and maybe it should be me. I know I don't have a man, but neither do most of the cast on all the Real Housewives Franchise. Oh, and also, what about Housewives of Rhode Island? Very excited. Our friend Ashley I, Kennedy. Yeah, is this like the first Bravo? Bachelor crossover? Gotta be, right? I don't know that I've ever seen that. No, Jasmine Good is on The Valley. She was on next season.

Starting point is 01:00:34 Okay. So it's not the first. Not the first. But I do think a Housewife title is different than Cast of the Valley. Right, I agree. Yeah, I'm excited about Real Housewives'i. of Rhode Island because I'm missing New Jersey. I'm missing it real bad.

Starting point is 01:00:49 And I feel like this is going to give, I feel like that's going to scratch that itch a little bit. I think it will. And I also kind of had the same feeling about it when they announced it as I did Salt Lake, where I was kind of like, why? And I'm like, wait a second. I'm in. I was wrong about that.

Starting point is 01:01:04 My initial judgment on that was, could not have been more wrong. Maybe you can't trust your initial judgment. Maybe not. Maybe not. And actually, that might be true now that I'm thinking about. several other things I've been quick to judge. Well, Fancy, this has been so much fun, man. It has been so much fun for me.

Starting point is 01:01:18 It's been back. Thank you for having me. You want to come back sometime? Anytime y'all will have me. I'll be here. Well, Fancy, Heygood, you are a wonderful, wonderful guest. You should listen on Apple Music, where I also have a radio show. Oh, Apple Music.

Starting point is 01:01:30 Period. That's where you prefer people to enjoy your content. Truly, yeah. Where he also has a radio show. Yeah. Where else can people find you fancy before we let you go? Oh, you can find me at Fancy Haygood on Instagram, Fancy Haygood on TikTok. Fancy Haygood, anywhere you enjoy entertainment.

Starting point is 01:01:43 I am there. The one the only. All right, well, up next, we will talk a little Vanderpump, and then we will send you on your way. When you're in the level up mindset for your business, it's wild. How much basic stuff matters, like how you talk to your customers

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Starting point is 01:03:26 like, why am I interested in this? Yeah. And maybe it's just, it's going to take a half a season to be invested in these characters. It could be that. I do think that I'm like, life is pretty repetitive so I'm like I can't sit there like taking storylines from past seasons but it just kind of feels like I've seen all of this before and it's like a little bit like the fights are just very like okay so are you getting long are you friends or are you not you know did you guys ever see that Looney Tunes show that was them as like little kids that's how this feels to me Tiny Tunes it feels like the Tiny Tunes version of and I loved Tiny Tunes and it kind of feels like Vanderpump Rules Tiny Tunes that's pretty funny for that well if you've done

Starting point is 01:04:05 Don't know what we're talking about. Mary has a rapid recap to bring some of you up to speed and then we'll get into it. I do. All right. So the last episode of Vanderpump Rules, we've got Natalie was Millie Bobby Brown's body double and kissed her brother, Millie Bobby Brown's brother, which was an interesting fact. Kim called Natalie a psychotic bitch. Venus is ending his friendship with Marcus. Jason is a serial canoodler and unfollowed Angelica after talking to another girl. He doesn't feel like he did anything wrong and she's being crazy and obsessive for being mad about it. Shane wants to be a screenwriter and he has a annoying enough. So he's a man in Los Angeles. Venus confronts Marcus about him talking shit about him. Marcus calls him a fucking moron. They decide not to be friends anymore. Angelica's broken up with her ex, but still living with him. So it's complicated. She also designs swimsuits for pretty skinny girls. Audrey is moving into a new apartment and guess who comes to help her move? It's Chris. He sees her vibrator and they share a chaste kiss. Marcus is using DJing to channel his grief. Then at Girls' Night, there's a lot of tension between Natalie and Kim.

Starting point is 01:05:07 Kim doesn't want to talk to Natalie about it because she doesn't want to get into a fight, but they still end up in a fight. Jason decides to text Angelica and tell her he's still into her. She says she might be down. Then they all get drunk and do the thing that girls do, which is readable. I'm just curious, like, what's the pipeline to men in toxic men in relationships to becoming a DJ? I think there's something when you have enough smear enough vodka that goes into your head. you think the music is moving me in a way that I must control.

Starting point is 01:05:37 Like there's like, yeah, like I can't deal with like emotional awareness or maturity, but like I can make a sick playlist. I can make the beat drop. Do you think it's because there's something like sexual and erotic of being a DJ? Because if you think about it, like they're always playing into like the powerful hot nature of like playing the music at the clubs. I, as someone who does think I would make a killer DJ, that's one of my most toxic traits. I get it.

Starting point is 01:06:03 It's like you want to be that person. You want like that control. You want attention. Yeah. You want control and attention. Two things I enjoy. My biggest takeaway is Jason referring to Angelica's mama. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:16 Let's talk about that. Is that what the boys are saying these days? You know, like how, not than anyone I know who says this, but like some of the ladies out there will be like, Poppy, Daddy or whatever, and they'll kind of refer to the man that they're dating is Daddy in a way. And that seems to have been. socially acceptable in the right context, I guess. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:06:37 I've called someone by male friends, platonic male friends, Papa. Sure. But I just, when a young man is referring to the woman he's dating as mama, it is not the same. Sarah, how would you feel if Connor called you mama? Whenever. Would he ever go, hey mama? If it's like a cultural thing, then like cool, but like, hey mommy kind of thing. But like, no.

Starting point is 01:06:57 Yeah, if he got a kid, it's kind of cute. Be like, hey, mama, you know. Yeah. Like there's situations where I'm like, or like, if you're referring to me to our child as like mommy, then okay and like daddy. But yeah, no, there's never going to be a world in which. And I have thought, I have absent father issues. So like I'm not referring to the love of my life as daddy. But Mary and Justin, you know, you represent our Gen Z community.

Starting point is 01:07:20 Do you, is this something? Is this just Jason being weird or is this a thing that the 20 year olds? The young ones are doing. This is a thing that they're doing. It's giving internet. Yeah. Like I don't use the word Mamas. I did it the other day and it didn't feel right.

Starting point is 01:07:35 Justin was trying to do an impression of me. And like it just, it's not me, but I know those people and I know they're like it's any person of any age online, I think is what it is. Yeah. But isn't it a weird feeling when one of those things do slip out of your mouth because you've heard it around and then you're like, no, instantly want to put it back in my mouth and swallow it. Yeah. Like me, I'm flinging about like a hey mama. Oh my God, diva. And it works.

Starting point is 01:07:56 And it's, it's just there's a worm in my mom in my. brain that is calling people insane things. But it works for you, Mary. Thank you. Thank you, Mama. It's like when people out of nowhere go, my Shayla. Yeah. And it's like what? Like, if you're not on the internet, you don't know what that means. But if you're on the internet, like, that's a very specific, like, form of communication. You know, it's funny. I am on the internet. And I still don't completely know what it means. But I know there's a blondey song called Shayla. And I know that's not what they're referring to. But that's what it means to me in my heart. Wait, somebody sent me a comment. And they said, I don't know who you are, but your face is in capital T. But then with the

Starting point is 01:08:31 question mark at the end and I was like, is this a compliment or an insult? Is it just like internet lingo? Is there any, is there any like meaning behind the, the mama stuff? I think he's a straight man trying to be like, ooh, I can girl out with you. Term of endearment. Term of endearment and also be flirty. But like it's, it's like if one of your girls calls you mama, that's like fun. But when a man calls you, and I'm obviously coming at this from a very specific point of view. I feel I could be wrong, but I feel like for the ladies who refer to the men that they might date is like poppy or daddy. It's like they might have an arrangement where he might be, you know,

Starting point is 01:09:09 taking care of a lot of the financial responsibilities. Is that accurate or no? I think it's not that, do you? No, yeah. I think it's just people are like, I'm like, okay, daddy. That felt weird for me to say. But I'm just wondering for the boys who are saying, Mama, are they looking for like a lady to pay the bills?

Starting point is 01:09:26 No, it's literally just them being cutesy. Yeah, I think it's like, like, Like mama in the term of, I think it's like you think of like milf rules. Like, oh my God, like milf, like mama. Like it's kind of like that. But the boys are trying to be cutesy? The boys are trying to flirt. Okay.

Starting point is 01:09:42 Okay. Which has been painful to watch. Yes. In this show specifically. It literally, watching the show, I think because I'm watching this now being like, oh, they're my age in real time. Do you feel represented, Mary and Justin? No.

Starting point is 01:09:56 Not represented, but I feel more represented by such. Southern hospitality. Agree. Because I feel like those are people that like I've met in real life. But I feel like Vanter Pump to me is a lot of like influencer culture, which is not like people that I'm surrounded around. Doesn't make sense. Like I feel like it's a different version of people our age. I feel like Southern hospitality and next gen.

Starting point is 01:10:17 NextGen specifically spoke to me because it was almost like a bit of young adults kind of in like the entertainment industry. Right. Versus this because it feels like Tiny Tunes Vanderpump rules. It feels like characters. Yeah. I feel like I'm watching characters of Gen Z and Vanderpump right now. I do really like Audrey, though. I, that girl's got sauce.

Starting point is 01:10:36 I feel like they're all just too on. Does that make sense? Because I'm like, when you watch the first season of Vanderpump Rules, which was so awesome, was like the whole like Jax and Stasi of it all. And it comes out that he cheated on her. Like they're drinking her, drinking his bottles of crystal and putting cigarette butts. There's something that was just so like effortless and genuine of like how they would react to a situation where I feel like all of their heightened situations

Starting point is 01:10:57 thus far in the episodes, it just feels very like... It's performative a little bit of it. Yeah. Well, I also feel like that's kind of why... What's the Love Island spin-off? Beyond the Villa. Beyond the Villa.

Starting point is 01:11:08 I feel like it's more difficult for those shows to work. Kind of like what we talked about with Fancy is like now they're stars and now they're quote-unquote public figures who already have followings and fans and brands

Starting point is 01:11:22 to protect and preserve and that's not what made them famous. Yeah. I mean, the Vanderpump cast is different, but they have a blueprint of like the original Vanderpump people. They're trying to emulate.

Starting point is 01:11:34 So it's not like this organic world. Yeah, like watching somebody have a sit down with Lisa due to their poor behavior, but because of what's going on in their personal life, you now get an opportunity to DJ. Like, I was just like, I've seen this. Yeah, I've seen this film before. But it's condensed.

Starting point is 01:11:48 Yeah. Like, we didn't even have to add water, but it's somehow condensed, you know. I think what is kind of interesting to me about this. Vanderpump Rules is that it almost seems as if the original Vanderpump Rules, like, season one, they were all so mad at each other, had all of this mess, but they didn't have the words to articulate it or understand how to talk about it with each other, which is what made it so

Starting point is 01:12:09 intriguing and such a good show. With this show, not only is there a blueprint of the actual, like, filming production storyline that they are just generally aware of, there's also the level of the way young people and friend groups talk to each other now, which is very TikTok. therapy. So it's like you're not having these big confrontations of like built up emotions. It's trying to figure out what the root of the problem is. Yeah, it's like, no, you're triggering me. I need to take a step back. Let's like, you know what I mean. You're trying to protect my mental health. I feel gaslit. You might be love bombing me. Yeah. Prioritized. And I'm like, what happened to a good old fashioned mess? Yel at each other. Throw a drink.

Starting point is 01:12:44 We did finally have the scene of Venus and Marcus going, we'll leave. I'm not leaving. The way I've also seen that was Sheena and Stossi. And like that, that I wanted to see and I'm glad we saw it. It's also an example of like, I feel like it's a little too much. And to go off of that, too, the scene, when Marcus opens up that scene where I'm just like, Lisa, you want me to believe that you're running a restaurant and that you've employed these people. This man has started drinking shots of vodka at your DJ booth from the second he got there. By the time he's in uniform, some girl walks out while he's smoking a cigarette and hands him her martini. He takes a sip and smoking a cigarette. And I'm just like, this man is wasted at work.

Starting point is 01:13:22 What is happening? and also big fan of Venus. He's my breakout star of the show. Well, we have Alex Baskin, the executive producer, returning to the show on Thursday's episode of reality recap. He's also the executive producer of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and OC. And we will get to talk to him about the most recent season of Beverly Hills. What's going on with OC?

Starting point is 01:13:43 Obviously, we have Vicki coming. So many questions for Alex. But just kind of talking about his opinion of the new Vanderpump Rules season. I think he's really high on it. And I'm curious what he has to say about, like, you know, fans' interest or what their opinions are, all the opinions I think we have. I think a lot of people share with them. And we'll get to ask Alex all those questions and more on Thursday's episode. That will do it for us today.

Starting point is 01:14:08 Thank you to our guest. Fancy Hey, Good. Don't forget tomorrow, we got Austin Krull from Southern Charm on Wednesday's episode of Going Deeper. It's an episode you will not want to miss. Finally, we got the boys on the couch. I'm really excited to get to know these men. I'm really fascinated, but, you know, they really represent men in reality TV in the Bravo universe. Like I think these three guys, for better or worse, are representing heterosexuality in the

Starting point is 01:14:34 bravo universe. And I'm very fascinated by their characters, their arcs, their entire careers on this show. It all starts with Austin Krull. That's tomorrow. Until then, have a great day. Happy New Year, everybody. We'll see you back tomorrow.

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