The Viall Files - E1059 Palm Beach W Rosalyn Yellin Alex Baskin Returns Rhoslc Finale Ashley Tisdale Friend Group Drama

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

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sitewide exclusive for listeners of the Valfiles. Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you Elixleep.com slash V-I-A-L-L-L. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the VAL-Files, reality recap edition. I'm your host, Nick. I am not joined by my spectacular, lovely, gorgeous, even,

mother of my child, the greatest mom of all time, best wife ever, is down bad with the flu. We got the flu in the house. River the other morning, yesterday morning, we were supposed to be in LA right now. We're not. Don't worry. We got the team there. Little baby River like woke up and like threw up in the bed. Like just little baby. It was like a weird. I don't know. Leia has, I think you guys had the flu recently, right? Isn't it weird to see your baby throw up? It's really weird. We, so Louis sleeps in our bed. So it actually happened like while we were there in the middle of the night. And River was also with us in our bed when she threw up. Like she often will join us halfway through the night sometimes. Yeah, that's actually how we rung in the new year. I otherwise would not have seen 1 a.m. But we had a late night. Yeah, he woke up at one in the morning, throwing up in our bed.

And it was tough. It's really hard to see and to watch because it's scary because the- Super scary. Yeah. It was with River, she puked and passed out. Oh, no. Just went back to sleep. Oh, okay.

Well, I don't mean. Oh, my God. It sounded like, oh, mine. Sorry, sorry, sorry. No, but like just kind of like zonked. Like she woke up early in Zoc. Nally is now down very bad. I'm like waiting for it to just hit me.

Oh, you're next. Yeah. Danny and I got sick one after another. I'm hoping I can fight it. Like I'm running on two hours of sleep. I was up all night with Natalie and River going back and forth between like taking care River, taking care of Natalie. Nallie's throwing up like every 10 minutes.

Yeah. She's getting an IV right now. We're down bad. I wish there was a way for, at least for the men out there. I wish I could take my wife's pain away in the worst way right now. And it's like, it's just so debilitating to watch her suffer. I wish there was a way. It's just, it's so hard.

It's so hard to see your partner, your wife suffer. I wish I could. I wish there was a button I could push. Well, guess what, Nick, you're next. So you will. No, I know. I mean, yeah, with the flu, I mean, I'm next. But in general, I wish I could.

I would do two flus. So now I wouldn't have to do one. Oh. I think it's only fair if you were married. to someone if there was a way. How could you say no? If like if science presented itself with, hey, you could trade pain. That's kind of how I feel about birth control.

Anyways, this is all to say, I really love my wife and she is down bad. And we are keeping the ship alive, the boat afloat. I don't know what it is. But we do have a wild and wacky episode for you. We have the Salt Lake City premiere, or finale, rather. It was so good. Another banger. It's really like a high art, you know, poetic that it took place in.

Greece, but it's like a Greek soap opera. I don't know. Like it's a real... A tragedy. It's a Greek tragedy. It's like... Thank you. A Greek tragedy.

It's like... It's Aristotle's Poetics, you guys. It's very poetic. We also, we weren't expecting to do this, but we have tapped in to the members only Palm Beach. And we have a guest for you. There's some drama going on with the ladies of Palm Beach. And we have coming up in this episode, Roslyn, yes.

Ellen and Roslyn reached out to us. Apparently one of her co-stars went on friend of show Heather McDonald, her show, and said some things that rubbed her the wrong way, told some untruths according to Rosalind. So she is here to set the record straight. So if you're watching members only on Netflix, get ready because it's going to be juicy. But before that, we also have Alex Baskin, the executive producer of Vanderpump, Beverly Hills House wives and real housewives of Orange County. So a lot of burning questions. And the Valley Persian style, also the Valley Persian style. So a busy man in the Bravo universe and we have him on our couch. He's been here before. He's a great interview. Always answering our burning questions about all things

in the Bravo space. So we are excited to have Alex as well. Before we tap into the Salt Lake City, you know, I don't want to get into it because it seems messy and I don't want anything to do with it. But that friend group chat with Ashley Tisdale is getting bananas. Yeah, it's some classic, it's some classic Disney Channel beef is all I have to say. Honestly. Now you have, you have a Hillary does husband just getting messy. Yeah, Matthew Coma has entered the chat. Listen, I love a protective husband, you know, but we, up into this point, it was just speculation.

You know, I think it was Ashley Tisdale's rep was like, hey, there's a different friend group. She's, no, everybody knew. Like, how many friend groups are you, mom groups are you in that you're beefing with? Here's the thing, here's my take on this beef. On one hand, I listen to It's All Right. It's Okay by Ashley Tisdale once a week to feel something. So that's my girl. On the other hand. I'm taking no size to be clear on this.

Sorry, Mary contention. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm not either because Hillary Duff also one time literally had beef with Faye Dunaway, like movie star Faye Dunaway and handled herself. And that is a diva I can respect. She also penned the amazing song Come Clean. So it's just like when I see a feud like this, I think, thank God.

for two divas fighting. I just like, what did Ashley expect to happen? You know, you're, you know, you wrote about other famous people. If you write in the cut, you might get cut in a cryptic way, you know. Sounds like she's already. Nice, maire. Thanks. That group photo of all of their faces is circulating.

So I'm like, I feel like her husband must have just seen it. And it was like, there's no way that you're denying who it is. I was actually very impressed with her husband's photoshopping skills. Yeah, honestly, I didn't realize it was photoshoped. I thought he just did a whole photoshop. At first, I thought he called up the cut and was like, hey, interview me. Was it not a reenactment? No, it's just a photoshop of his head.

That's her hand and everything. That's like on the face. He got a Canva premium. Yeah, no, he really, he's really crushing. Adult friendships are very, very prickly. We talk about them a lot on Ask Nick. By the way, good time to remind you. that Vile Files Plus is available for you.

And we have some great things going on in Vial Files Plus. We have your updates from your callers. We also have her deep dives into your favorite reality TV shows. We'll dive even deeper into shows like the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City finale. Pop extras were all your burning pop culture topics. We'll definitely dive really deep into the mom chat on that. So we don't ruffle any feathers publicly. I just got to say, you know, adult friend groups are tricky.

When one doesn't serve you, just disengage. You know, it's just like, Ashley, what did you kind of expect? I don't feel like this is going the way she hoped. Well, did you see, Nick, that Chris Leminkoff tweeted, me realizing I wasn't mentioned in Ashley Tizale's losing friends article, IMOG. Didn't I start the trend back in 2021? 14 friends. And it's like, they're not part of the same friend group. That's where I told Sierra, like, people thought that she was saying she was that friend group.

But no, she's just like. She had her own friend group. She's the OG. Been there, done that. OG of the friend group drama. It did remind me of when you were a kid and you introduce like two friends. You're like, hey, I'm friends with you both. Like you guys should meet and they become really close friends and they have like a

sleepover and you're not invited. That happened to me with two of my friends in high school. Yeah. No, has it not happened to everyone here or am I just like a loser? But they hooked up. No, no, no. You're going to happen to everyone. Yeah.

The silence. You're like, oh, I can't relate, Nick. Yeah. Maybe you are. No. It's, yeah, it's happened to all of us. No, it do be real. Speaking of friend groups.

Yeah, we got the ladies. The sisterhood. Right out, okay, all right. Round the table. Team who? Lisa and Meredith. Sierra is team. Lisa and Meredith all the way.

In a shocking reaction to no one, I am. Burboretty. We know Mary. We know you stand. Team Meredith and Lisa Barlow. I love that girl down. I'm sorry. I misjudged you.

I'm actually team Lisa fully. after when the Greek play thing was happening and her little interview was like, I don't care what's in that play. I know who I am. I was like, all right, bitch.

This has happened to everyone, right? Like, the ladies love to just all band together against one person and it's Meredith's turn right now. It's been Meredith's turn. Every goddamn year it's Meredith's turn.

She was blamed for Jen Shaw going to jail. It's been Brittany. It's been... I team Meredith and Lisa, which is I never would have thought. I just don't like, I don't like them telling her that she has an issue and not giving her the chance to literally just say, no, I don't have an issue. And they're not believing her. And she's like, what am I supposed to do at a certain point? Like, you hit a wall. They did the right thing in like some instances. Like I think I'm team all of them in some cases. But I think at the end of the day, Lisa did the right thing by saying like, this is not right. Like what you're doing right now is not good. And like when Heather was like you're drawing the line, it's like nobody's drawing the line. You guys are just alluding to things that are like out of this world. And when she said you're not a safe space to Whitney when he's trying to. to come up and talk to Meredith, like get away from her.

And I think they were trying to know. I would have lost it after I got attacked by all my friends and then another friend stands up and like physically grabs me. I would have, oh my God. No, get off. Get off of me right now. Right. And then like, listen, I empathize with like, I mean, Whitney Rose we love.

We friend of show, you know, I think she's great. Mary, huge fan. But like, obviously, and they've been open about their personal struggles. Mary with her son. We now know he's been incarcerated, a little pre-year. review them talking about it in the reunion part one. Whitney's been very open about obviously her dark relationship with her father and the struggles that she's had there. To make those comparisons and use those relationships as like an expertise in your ability to diagnose someone,

listen, I don't, I believe all those women when it comes to what happened on the plane. Certainly Brittany, who was here on the couch with her man, Jared, I believe it. But like, we're have we all had like a really bad moment where we had to been like that was fucked up up of me. I'm really sorry. I apologize. Like it doesn't mean that there's like serious problems. Seth having lunch with the woman.

Bronwyn lost me during that whole thing because I was just like my biggest pet peeve is when people try to use like information that they haven't even crossed reference as like a got you moment. And she's like, well, I know like when I have a problem in my marriage that like I put a wall up And Meredith's like, my marriage has never been stronger to come back. Well, I saw Seth with a woman. And it's like, and not saying even how she retold the story originally that it was an investor. She's like, I just saw him with a woman.

And it's like, what do you think you're alluding to? And then claiming that she wasn't alluding to anything. They lost the plot when it's basically the way I look at it is Meredith did whatever Meredith did in the plane. Meredith Meredith, she didn't acknowledge it. You know, she maneuvered. She denied whatever. and they're all mad at that. And so instead of just focusing on that and saying,

you know, to like, Rawan's point, she's like, you know, if you want to be perfect, then you can't be friends, if they focused on the plane ride, they'll win.

But they, like, doubled and tripled down and they, like, diagnosed her as to why she did that on the plane is, like, some very deep thing, like, the word spiraling.

If is she, like, they treated, like, this intervention. Like, they had, like, a, like, hospital people,

in the background ready to strap her to her gurney and take her to a hospital. Of course she's spiraling because they're like every episode she has to deal with something else. She's defending herself on every episode but also like every season. As I said, it started back what season two or season three whenever the Jen Shaw stuff went down, she was accused of maybe making a phone call to the FBI. And then her like her grief surrounding like the death of her father. And like did you actually have a memorial? Did you go to his memorial?

And it's like. year after year, I would Leave Meredith alone! I would spiral too. Yeah. I do think when they were bringing up, like, before we get to the rapid recap, when they kept saying like, well, you're asking about what we talked about at lunch. You keep asking about lunch.

It's like, was she asking or are you trying to get her to ask you about it? Because at this point, you keep bringing it up to try to bait her to say, well, then what did happen? 100%. I think they were trying to do the right thing, but going about it the wrong way. Mary, take us away with that rapid recap. Yeah. So if you somehow live under a rock on a remote Greek island and didn't want, Launch the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City finale.

Here is a rapid recap. Bronwyn said Angie was so Greek. And Nick, I want you to like a Jeff Jam comedian say. How Greek was she? How Greek was she? She was so Greek, it was a tragedy. Opa. Okay.

And in that vein, Angie does in fact have an elderly Greek woman, right? A tragedy about all the ladies. Thus begins what here at the Vile files are going to call Bravo's Macbeth. Okay. So Meredith and Bronwyn both think they are being gaslit by the other. and now their friendship is over. Angie brings the woman to meet her cousin. He's very sweet and very Greek.

Later in the Sprinter van after they meet the cousin, Bronwyn airs out Meredith. She calls her Meredith Marks Esquire, which is awesome. And then the most important part is after this, during their final day in Greece, they go and sit in little chairs and watch the sisters of salt,

a Greek tragedy about themselves. Needless to say, they are all thematically read to filth. That was beautifully produced, by the way. came up with that idea. Oh my God. The single tier that runs. There was a comment that said, Bravo needs to let more random people write roast about these women.

Oh my God. It was so good. It was genius about it because they did like, you know, they interviewed all these women and then put that story together. It was just so. In one day. In one day. That was a one day turnaround.

Think about it. So it's like that, just like the ball falls. Exactly. Oh my God. Okay. So anyway, after the show, they talk about what they thought the play was really about,

of course. And maybe they should all. Be real with each other? Maybe that's a good idea. So then they all get deep. Bronwyn has a problem with loyalty. Lisa has a deep desire to prove herself to everyone. Meredith is afraid of being vulnerable

because she doesn't want to be betrayed and hurt again. Stop the reactive abuse. Stop the reactive abuse. Everyone is crying. Everyone loves each other deep down, you guys. They're the sisters of salt. God damn it. They need each other.

But then, Heather Gay comes in and just twists that final night. she says, here goes Meredith, flipping the switch again. All the women are either silent to this abuse or dog pile on Meredith. Mary says something is off. Bronwyn tells Meredith she saw Seth at dinner one time with someone. And the only person on Meredith's side during this takedown is baby gorgeous herself. Lisa Barlow, her one true writer die. Meredith's response to this dog pile by saying,

I don't do drugs or drink as much. As you bitches, my husband loves me and I'm not fucking mentally ill. Get a life because I like mine. Okay. And with that, Lisa Barlow and Meredith Marks, call a car service. And as they fade off together into the AGMC, Heather Gay can only call out to them in the distance. Walk the fuck away. Mary, your ability to read is exceptional.

Can you imagine if I tried to read that? Me too. Me too. Did anyone think that Heather was fake crying? I thought Heather was staring the end credits when she was just I actually love that one. Yeah, and then she like put her hands in her knees and it's just like, he produced this whole thing.

Yeah, Monica and Whitney came over to her side and it was like, oh. The Greek theater performers were more convincing. A true tragedy. Thank you. Yeah. Monica Garcia posted on her story like this side by side of the last shot from season four of all the women surrounding Heather would like be like, oh my God. The last supper, yeah.

to this one where it was just kind of like the, you know, the wish version. Yeah. Yeah. But also it just doesn't make much sense, too, because as the show ended, right, and they're all like, you know, they give us the update of all the women. Meredith's marriage has never been better. And everything again, I don't know when they wrapped filming, but we have encountered Meredith a handful of times with Seth and the family.

I mean, who knows? Maybe they're faking it. I don't know. But like they seem like they're thriving. Their kids are also doing a show. They're posting from Mexico. Where is this person who is spiraling so bad that all of her friends need to like talk as if she needs to be committed? Clearly it's not true.

Yeah. Also to Sierra's previous point about Bronwyn making it like, you know, when I have marriage troubles, this is what it looks like. Whitney did the same thing where she's like, the only thing I have to compare to the behavior that I'm witnessing in you is my dad. And it's like, well, Meredith ain't your papa. Yeah. What? What? I was like, Meredith doesn't have any hidden filings that you guys are coming out about.

Meredith has successful business. Her kids are killing it. Her husband's killing it. They're together all the time. They're posting from Mexico making the cutest content. Sorry I have a beautiful, hot, successful family. Every relationship is different, you know. Like, I don't take two-hour baths with Natalie.

And yet we still deeply love each other as much. is Sierra and Connor. You know? It's a different kind of love. Exactly. You guys like to be pruny. And I have a problem. I'm a little claustrophobic, you know?

And so... I don't like water. I think we should maybe come up, but I have a merch idea. It's like a T-shirt that says, this is not a date. This is a business meeting. Wait, that's actually iconic.

It's on the back, too, for the paparazzi photos. we should make that and send it to send one to them. You know, just to clear it up. You know, anytime I have all like a one-on-one with one of my female employees, apparently I have to make sure I have to wear their shirt.

Somebody might see you. Someone might see me. No, it's exhausting. I don't need any rumors about me in. Right, right. This haircut, Nick Vile. Yeah, it's crazy. It's on Nick with a blonde woman.

With a lesbian. Talk about Nick with someone who, looks like they have pronouns. I wonder what's going on here. She's funny today? Yeah. I just got jokes for that. I will say, see, I do think Angie and Brittany. They were silent.

They, they, yeah. I felt like they, they get a pass. They're like, I am. They're like, I'm not rolling them in this. She was like, she had little comments throughout the whole conversation. I will say they get a pass because they didn't do anything, but also like not really because Lisa Lisa is the MVP for standing up for

you know if you're silent Because yeah Mary said multiple times everyone Well Mary's an MVP too Like she's the one I was like Why are we all sitting here and she ripped it off She was like y'all need to all to stand up to it Yeah if you're gonna talk shit behind someone's back

You might as well say it to their face She said the quiet part out loud But that doesn't make what she said She also still it was just like No one was listening to Meredith They were like why won't you say what's really going on And then she was like all right what's really going on is I'm scared to open up to you guys

because you're mean to me. Yep. And then they were like, stop lying. Oh, no, it was Heather. Yeah. Heather just pissed me off. She's flipping the script again. I was like...

But we're having like this beautiful, like, vulnerable moment. People are like repairing relationships. I shed a tear listening to Lisa talk. I'm not even lying. And then you have Heather just like all of a sudden come to turn around and it's just like, well, actually Meredith, here's everything that's wrong with you. And it was just like, what the fuck? This woman is trying to.

open up to you guys, explain to you why she feels the way that she feels. And yet again, you have made it very clear she is not safe in this group of women. Yeah. I think Heather just wasn't listening because I think when someone's trying to like own up to something or apologize and the whole time there's someone in the room that's just like making faces, they're not listening to you actually talk, you know? I did find it hilarious that during the Greek tragedy performance, Brittany had a full glass of wine while facing the Meredith's alcoholic accusations. No, my favorite is when she goes, well, since I'm a lush alky, I'm going to head to the wine. And I thought she was saying that to be like catty to get a reaction out of the other women.

And then the next shot is she's holding the wine bottle. I think Brittany's great. I need Meredith back on next season because I need her. And you know she will count everyone's drinks. Yeah. Villain era. Meredith Mark's villain era is upon us. And guess what?

I'm still her number one. She's going to have one of those like hand clickers. I want her to like walk up behind someone's back. back really slowly and just do that click. She should get a breathalyzer, honestly. She should just get a breathalyzer and walk around with it. That would be so diva. I don't even think she was even drinking during her DJ set.

Like, she was drinking water. That's what I think the only bumps that Meredith does is of caviar. The only bumps she, yeah. I think she's just emotional. She bumps on a beat and she bumps on caviar. She's just emotional. Like, can a woman just be emotional? Could a woman just be emotional?

And she really hates Brittany and she got triggered and she did something. she shouldn't have done. And yeah, her mistake was not apologizing owning that, but they took it. Listen, Meredith is not perfect. She says, I think that she's been caught lying. She has said mean things about other people. They all have. They're all guilty of it.

But do I think that she's unstable? No. Well, when she was like, I don't do pills or drugs, my thought was, who does? Well, she literally says, Heather and Whitney said that. She said that she was a pill popper. And she said, I could talk about it. Alcoholic. Continued to lie about me and I'll start to tell the truth.

The way she said it, she made it seem like she knows people who do. Oh, yeah. She did it. She said the pills that Heather and Whitney take. Yeah. I could talk about the pills that Heather and Whitney are taking. Uh-huh. Well, it was a wild finale.

And certainly we have a lot more to get into as the reunion unfolds. It's a three-parter. And if you want to dive even deeper into this finale, be sure to check out Vow Files Plus, because we will certainly do that, along with that messy, messy mom group. Up next, we got Alex Baskin, the executive producers,

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We're excited to have you. It's always a pleasure. I mean, we were just talking about all the shows that you're involved in. And honestly, thanks for taking the time because I don't know how you do it. Thank you. Happy to do it. We have a lot to talk about. Lots to talk about.

Before we get into all the shows that you are obviously running and doing it and we all very much appreciate and lots to get into. I am just curious. we just got done talking about the finale of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, and as you know, it's a very popular franchise on the show. And I'm curious as someone who's, you know, executive produced, you know, shows like O.C. and Bev Hills, you know, some of the most iconic franchises in Bravo universe.

Do you watch some of these other ones and do you have certain appreciations for some of these other shows? Is there a competition? Does it ever get competitive in terms of, like, you know, a lot of the fanfare that Salt Lake City is getting around? right now, are you one of those, like, really good competitors where it's just like all ships rising tides or whatever? What's the phrase? Rising tide lifts all boats.

Thank you. Sorry. Again, I'm on two hours. You heard it before. I might have used that cliche before with our teams internally. So, well, I think both are true. I think that the success of the franchise is good for all of us. And that sort of goes across the industry.

so I think it's great to see. And then on the other hand, it's not bad for us to also be knocked on our asses a little bit. And, you know, to see that other shows are thriving and we have to step up our games. So I think both are true. Do you ever hear from some of your cast, you know, like, you know, not, I'm just making up a name, let's just say, Heather Debrough,

or, you know, I doubt Heather would do this, because she seems busy with her fancy life. But let's just say Heather's like, hey, man, all those women of Salt Lake City, they're like really popular right now. What could we do differently? Are you ever like saying, hey, well, they're giving us this or they're giving us that?

Do you use, you know, the success of other shows as a way to maybe motivate some of your cast? Oh, for sure. For sure, totally. So you'll point out the success of them and say, you know, we need to elevate ourselves and we need to step up because right now they're making a lot of noise.

And then to your example, we'll hear from cast all the time. And they're like, you know, why is it that that franchise looks better than ours? You know, so we are, we're challenged on the other side. And it's like, well, you do your part. We'll do our part. And let's make some noise ourselves. Okay.

What do you think it is about Salt Lake City that makes it work? Like, what would your response be to them? I think Salt Lake City is just super dramatic and over the top. And obviously, you know, with the costume that they wear, and the theatrics, I think that they've found a different formula that works for them. And I think to a large extent, that's the brilliance of the Housewives franchise. I think that each version has its own identity. And I also think that's a little bit fluid.

So I think you can't do the same thing season after season. And Salt Lake has done a great job of sort of always maintaining headlines. And if you look at the life cycle of that show, every couple of years, it's found a different identity. really brilliantly. So I think it's something for us to look to and to appreciate and hopefully to top. Well, enough about all the shows that you're not doing, because you're doing so many. You got, just to remind our audience in case they forgot, Real Housewives of O.C., Real Housewives of Beverly Hills,

the new VPR, the Valley, the Valley Persian style, which many people in this household are very, very excited, including my wife, who unfortunately couldn't be here. Do you have a favorite of these franchises? So all those plus also, we just started production on Jeff Lewis this week. So, and then more to announce soon. You know, my favorite varies, right? So it kind of, it depends on where we are in the productions of each of them. I love them all equally, but not all at the same time. Yeah. I would say, but they all require a lot of love. You know, nothing is on autopilot to the point that we were making about the other franchises. So it just is, it's a, you know, a love that

also derives from a constant concern that we have to both maintain and then also better what we've been doing all the time. Let's, uh, where do you want to start? How about that in terms of the shows to discuss? Well, let's start with the Valley person style since it's the upcoming premiere. And I love that you're excited about it. Very excited. Yeah. Because also, I mean, like, you know, the Valley, you know, we'll get into that. But I'm curious, I'm excited to see the Valley be represented in a different way that it's represented in the Valley with some of these dynamic characters that you have. Yeah, it's really fun. So the idea sparked when MJ was a guest on my podcast.

And I'm just crazy about her and love talking to her. And she's just so authentically who she is. And it occurred to me that we had the. makings of a different version of the valley because you had the the core, the troika of her and Reza and Gigi from which we could build. And the idea was can we do what is a very different version of the valley and sort of franchise out that show with those three? And we love what we found in casting. And it felt very distinct, one, because of the Persian heritage, the Persian culture, and that sort of runs throughout it.

And I will tell you, in meeting the cast in the first place, meeting the other cast members, I've never seen better spreads of food in my entire life in every meeting. So, you know, come hungry to cast meetings. You were well fed. Yeah. Very well fed. And I obliged.

I ate a little bit. But then it's also, it feels different in terms of where that group is in their lives. and they are, I wouldn't say a little bit more mature. It's a slightly different, you know, sort of age range. But it just feels like it has its own identity. And it's a fun group that sort of has all of the right mix that you would want for the show. They are genuine friends.

And they're so open sharing their lives that it's really fun from the beginning. It's a great watch. And I'm just super excited about it. And I will say the OG. are in a different place in their lives than they were where they stop Shaw's. And so I think as much as they missed being a part of the show, that show had gotten a little bit dark. That's not where they are right now. And so it's a show that to me is very watchable,

very appealing. And again, has all of the dramatics that you need very naturally. But I think it's an enjoyable watch. You mentioned the word dark. And obviously the word dark was often referred to the Valley. If last season's vibe of the Valley was dark, how would you describe the vibe of the Valley Persian style? I would say it's really different. So

I would say that it's a mix. I would say that it can be very dramatic. It's a group that is very expressive. And, you know, they frequently refer to in the Persian culture, telling

all of their friends and family what they think about them at all times. And no one illustrates that better than Vita, MJ's mom, who is in rare form, because when is she not? And so I think that's a lot of fun, but I would say that it is, it's fun. It is, it's festive, but it is real at the same time. And saying they don't hold back, but it doesn't have that darkness over it because at least in the first season and hopefully going forward, we'll see what happens. We weren't dealing with the trauma of life. We were dealing with the drama of life. Yeah. Well, I mean, I love that you said that and it makes me really excited because not to call back Salt Lake City, but I think a lot of fans, they'll say what we love

about these women is they can fight, they can really let it out, but it doesn't seem to like turn a corner. They can move on. They can like get into another, you know, chapter. It doesn't seem to like hang over an entire season. And, you know, like, yeah, there's a lot of, lot of cultures out there that are just more infusive in how they communicate with friends and family, but yet it's not like the end of the world. And they can, they can cut deep with their words and, like, you know, ask each other out to lunch the next day. Totally. And that's the heartbeat of these shows, right? Because when you have a group of real friends, then there's an investment in each other. And so the fights do cut deeper because you care more about what a friend says to you than someone

that you'd have no investment in. But at the same time, you can get over it because there's a deep love there. And so you see that in this show. And that makes the first season a really fun ride. And look, elsewhere, I know we're going to get into the other shows, but we're aware of needing to move on. We felt that way this past season of OC. It was really tough. And as producers, we both have control and have none. And so we can let the cast know that we want them to get it all out, be real with each other, and then move on. But then it's incumbent on them to do that. And again, when it's a real group of friends, they do that. And sometimes when it's not and when the shows devolve into, you know, feeling like it's survivor. And you're kind of trying

to expel someone that you don't like from the island. That's a problem. Yeah. And for all the people who, like, maybe didn't watch Shaw's. I know a lot of people did. Like my wife was a big fan. But like MJ, for example, a lot of people got to see her on Traders last season. And if they want to see maybe more of her, this is a great opportunity to see her in her friend group if they didn't watch her on the previous iteration that she was on before. Yeah, yeah. And she's really, she's one of a kind. She's just someone who should be on television because she's just so authentically who she is. Yeah, we love the star.

Shifting gears to OC, we were at BravoCon, the household. and we got to see Vicky get her orange. There was a lot of conversations about how that all went down. A lot of people mentioned that it was kind of like, I think did Andy even say it was kind of on a whim almost? Well, yeah, it wasn't really on a whim. We had talked about bringing Vicky back for season 20. It was Andy's idea to present her the orange at BravoCon.

By the way, I don't know whether she still has that orange. I don't know the condition of it. So pry it from her cold dead hands. But we then had a series of conversations to expedite that, to expedite, you know, sort of approvals so that that could happen there. So it was thought out, and I thought it was so genuine and pure. It made me laugh a couple weeks before BravoCon when that was in the offing, and we were trying to get all of those approvals. I had a conversation with Vicky just to feel out where she was and sort of get a sense of where she was. and sort of get a sense of where her life was for a potential season 20.

And so we're catching up, and it was like an hour conversation, and 45 minutes into it, she said, why are you asking me all these questions about my personal life? Because I've known Vicky forever, but we hadn't caught up a little bit. And I said, Vicki, it's season 20. It would be remiss if I'm not having this conversation. You just want to get a sense of what you're feeling. And also, if there were an opportunity, you know, what does that sound like to you? like, are you kidding? She's like, I would love to do the show. You know that's my wish. She said,

but I'm also not hanging my hope on it. So if it doesn't happen, I understand that too, which I thought was good. I think she's in a really good headspace. But it was such a sweet moment when it happened for her. I'm so excited because I didn't get into Housewives of OC until after Vicky was off the show. We've had the pleasure of interviewing her a couple times. She is an absolute delight. I mean, just an app. She's just a star. She is. I mean, every time I talk to her, I'm just having the best time. My job's on the floor. And I love that she has her insurance business. And I just the way it's like she, I never feel like she's trying to be funny. And I never feel like she's trying to be mean. I feel, I truly always feel like Vicky is just shooting from the hip. And to me,

she's like, part of what attracted me to reality TV in the first place is it's someone who, to your point is an original who is not trying, who really does deserve a camera put on them. She has not changed one wit in 20 years, which is fantastic. And so I love it. It's someone who otherwise, before the explosion of this genre, would just be a character to all of her friends. And now is someone that delights an audience because she just can't help herself. I love her. I don't know if you can answer this question, but I'm going to ask it anyways. Our mutual friend, Crystal Minkoff, said on her show, Humble Brag, which is part of the MVMedia family, like and subscribe.

That Vicki Gundelson, getting her orange, means that someone who's currently on the cast might get the boot. That it's not, it won't be in addition. It will be a replacement. Anything you can say to that. Well, we're figuring out exactly what we're doing. So genuinely, we don't have a completely firm plan yet. We will very shortly. But I wouldn't say that that necessary,

that Vicki getting her orange necessarily leads to Crystal's conclusion. Okay. I'm curious. I think there's a theme, whether it's, we saw in Salt Lake with Monica Garcia. I think we've seen it a little bit in O.C. When it comes to Katie. But it seems like sometimes there seems to be a group of the cast that will say,

I don't want to film with this person. And I imagine as producers, you really, you guys have, it's a, a needle you have to thread, so to speak, on, well, hey, like, you know, if, if there's not a dynamic where they want to film, like, we don't have a show, but at the same time, we can't let our cast dictate who we're casting and kind of, like, run the show, so to speak. So is someone in your position when you're dealing with real cast drama, like, maybe outside the show where they're like, you know, trying to call their shot, so to speak, how, how do you deal? deal with that. Yeah, it's hard. I mean, it's case by case, but you're right. We definitely don't want the cast to conspire to get rid of someone. And they've realized at this point that they're sort of savvy enough in 2026 not to say to us, I hate that person, right? Or they would do that if they didn't want someone cast on the show in earlier years. And they realize now that the most powerful thing they can try to do is just marginalize that person. And that doesn't work. At the same time, to your point on the other side, we can't force them to engage with someone that they just

don't really have a relationship with. So we have to figure it out. We don't like factions. You know, we don't like the group conspiring. And so we have to navigate through that. And it can be really challenging. And the other thing is you're doing that in real time and you just want this show to move forward. Right. And so as you're figuring all of that out, it isn't like you can stop down production. So you have to sort of cover where you are, keep things pushing ahead. And then you want it to be as real as possible. So if they do have that issue with that person, you want it to be because it's a genuine

conflict between them and not because they just don't want that person on the show. Pickybacking off of that because the end of last season, we had the Tamara supposedly talking to bloggers. A, like, how did you feel about that and, too, with, these housewives that do have podcasts, it's kind of part of their job to talk to bloggers, but it seems to also be something that infuriates the other women. How do you handle that? Yeah. So first of all, I'd like to say they are creators and not bloggers, because I will get in trouble for that. So, I mean, I think it's thorny. So I think it can be challenging, but I think

there's a difference between talking to creators, talking to other people in the reality TV sphere. and giving away show information. So I think that's the issue, or giving away personal information about someone, or enlisting people who have followers to attack someone, I think that becomes the challenge. But yeah, look, you know, a lot of the cast have podcasts, and obviously, in addition to whatever else it is they're talking about,

there's a great interest in hearing from them their thoughts on the show. There's a hell of a lot of self-policing, so we get blown up all of the time. Like, you wouldn't believe what Tamara said at our podcast and there's this, whatever, and so that becomes unfunned to deal with, but really for us, as much as possible,

we want to corral it into real relationships. So if the housewives is about a group of friends, a group of friends is not constantly dealing with, you know, the coded messaging that they've done about each other, you know, on podcasts. And so if the whole show,

is about the show. We're just eating ourselves, and that isn't interesting. At the same time, you can't ignore it. And so I believe, like we've discussed, in breaking the fourth wall when I think that you have to tell the story, but I think you have to be careful. And there's definitely an audience reaction. You know, the feeling was mixed about how much we broke the fourth wall this past season on Orange County.

Right. You know, and there were strong feelings both sides. We just felt like to some extent we had to in order to tell the story. And how do you deal with Tamara? in the position that she's in because it's like, do we have proof that she gave storylines? And she swears to me that she didn't. And I've known Tamara for a very long time. And, you know, her contention is like, I couldn't tell you. I don't even know who this person is who's saying this. And by the way, like, nothing did leak, you know. So not only are these all like sort of mundane facts where it's like,

oh, so someone is claiming that I said that I went to lunch with Heather and Costa Mesa. on March 12th. Like, you know, who gives a shit? By the way, like, I didn't do that. Is there any other proof? And the answer is no. But we felt like we had to include it because the group had these trust issues. Right. And it was what was on their minds. And we couldn't just stop the season with their concerns about Gretchen and Amsterdam because their thoughts on that shifted post-Amsterdam, not just potentially about Gretchen and about evaluating what happened there. But also they had these concerns about Tamara, so we felt like we had to cover it. Okay. I have a question kind of like going back to talking about Vicky and how Vicky is just a true original. And I wonder with like, because obviously

you're working on the new Vanderpump and like going and casting like younger like reality TV stars. And I've just, I always am thinking about like if that true original aspect is harder to come across now just with the internet and how easy people can create careers and how enticing that is to be on like Bravo. And I wonder like what your experience has been like finding new talent in that way with that context. It's a really great question. And I kind of want to talk about the cast construct of the new Vanderpump in a minute because I think there's some misconceptions. But in general, um, it is hard. Uh, because now being famous is actually a career. path and it is the ends and not just sort of the means. And I think, you know, for example,

if you're looking to put together a group of young people, inevitably, you're going to find people that already are on social and have something of a profile. So I think that's true. On the other hand, what I would say is not completely different is 20 years ago, you know, sort of at the beginnings of Orange County, same thing in putting together a reality cast, right? It was people who were signing up to do a reality show who still had like some notion of what being on a show would do for them. So as much as it's changed and it's now in industry and, you know, there's the off-sighted statistics of young people wanting more than anything to be famous because, again, they associate that with a career, you know. And so,

I would say it's changed just in the sense that we try to filter out who is just doing a show to be to be famous and who is actually a really, a real interesting, authentic person who just also happens to have a big social presence. And I think on Vanderpump, what I would say we've been a little bit sort of misidentified as a cast in that regard is it was a really. real group of people that worked there. We did add in some of their friends and some other people because the restaurant also could accommodate that. But the foundation of it is a real group of people. Now, within that, are there people who, you know, would like to be famous or were thinking that by working at Sir, they would be discovered? Sure. But by the way, you could say the same thing about the original group. You know, the difference was they just wanted to be actors or models. or whatever else.

And here, these are people that, again, want the currency of a big following because now that's what being a celebrity means. Do you have a favorite in terms of the new cast of VPR of someone that you feel like is like, you know, like who's your Jacks or who's your Stasi? Your breakout stars? Yeah, you know, people that we should be looking out for.

Well, what I like is that I keep hearing different people, have different viewers have different favorites. So that's what I feel really good about. And so there's a few that I think that just sort of take to being on a show really naturally. And I think are, again, have sort of personality types and personal stories that you haven't seen before and are very comfortable sharing them. And then there's others that are a slower burn because being on a show is not necessarily a natural thing. And it takes a little bit to get acclimated. But I like the fact that I was at a dinner last night.

and with two people who have different points of view on their favorites. So I think that that's a really positive sign for us. And I think that we're really starting to grow. Obviously, very big shoes to fill. And we knew when we made the announcement in the first place that we were going to bring the show back, but with a new group, we knew that there would be groans and skepticism. And the other thing is we had to announce that in tantal. with not bringing back the other cast.

So it wasn't like we could this, this is like, you know, untitled West Hollywood project. And so we knew that and we knew that the audience would have to fall in love. Some people won't, but it does make me laugh too, that there's a lot of belly aching from people who didn't even love the final season of Vanderpump Rules at the original group, you know, and have forgotten that, right? And at that point, we're saying, you know, the show has strayed so far from what it was and you have a group that isn't really friends anymore. What is this that I'm watching?

And so that's the hurdle that we have to clear. And we're aware of that. Yeah. And like you said, it is just a hurdle. And we experience here when we watch it, right, and we talk a little bit about it. And to your point, it is, it's Vanderpump rules, right? And we went from season 11 to season 12. And I think for me, at least, and I'll just speak for myself, it's just like you're trying to figure out why you should care about these people, right? Because we left it. being so invested in Tom and Tom and Ariana, you know, in this entire cast. And I think that's, you know, for a lot of people, it's just like trying to find the thing that you connect with the show.

Yeah. And that's right. And that's a challenge. And we knew that that wouldn't happen overnight. Sure. And it's really hard to get invested in any new show. I think the fact that it's Vanderpump Rules is its greatest attribute and is a driver of viewership. And I also think it's something in some ways to open.

overcome because I think if this were a different show, I think people might assess it differently, and I think they might not hold the legacy of the first 11 seasons against it. On the other hand, you know, it's an iconic show and obviously interest is fueled by the fact that it falls under that banner. But yes, we need to give people something to sink their teeth and do something to invest in. And I think they will get there. I really believe in this group. Yeah, I got that impression from the interviews I've heard you give and things like that, that you really, you really believe in this show and you're advocating for people to, you know, give it the chance it deserves and see it through and that there should be a payoff if we're, if we do that. It just gets stronger. So it's,

it really is, you know, launching what is effectively a new series is really tough in the first place. And there's a lot of ground to govern. It's not that the show itself is complicated. It's a, you know, show about a bunch of people that work at least as restaurant and sort of their, you know, interconnected personal lives. But there's a lot of work that we have to do up front. And it's also them getting acclimated to being on a show. And as we start to get into the middle of the season, which we're in right now, I just think it's classic Vanderpump rules. And I think it's just really chaotic in a fun way through the end of the season. So I feel really good about how we can grow it from here. We're excited to see more of it.

Shifting gears a little bit to Beverly Hills. I'm really enjoying Amanda. And for me, watching Beverly Hills, I love the franchise, mostly because, like, it's Beverly Hills, it's iconic. It's just, there's something about watching it just kind of like, it's almost like a travel show in a way, even though I live in L.A., you know, it just kind of, there's a nostalgia there. I think some people, like fans, like myself, have been frustrated where it's just, it's

sometimes the pacing feels a little bit slow because it feel like, you know, you're dealing with some legacy housewives. And I think it's, you know, to me, it would be, I empathize with like, it would be hard. How do you come up with, how do you give even more than they already have? And I feel like Amanda seems like a really fresh cast member who's, who seems to be willing to like make a bit of a mess. Like I loved Bo, I love Bowes for, you know, everyone loves Bose. Bose is classy. Bose is like this kind of like someone you really aspire to be

and not that I don't aspire to be Amanda or anything like that but she seems I, she comes on the screen and I'm like she seems messy and I'm really excited to see more of her. I think she brings to your point a needed element of unpredictability. Yes.

And so I think she throws everyone else off and we felt like we needed that headed into this season. So I couldn't be more excited to have Rachel on the show. I think Rachel is a godsend. I loved getting to know her. and I think she's so additive to the cast,

and I think that she brings a lot and she fits in in the best way. Rachel isn't messy. She's not who she is. And we felt like we needed to mix it up a little bit, and we obviously tried to do that in a way that makes sense, like it isn't a plant. And we just found Amanda really interesting

and knew that she would just throw everyone off. And so I think that's what you're seeing. And she certainly provokes a reaction from the other women without even trying to do it, which is, you know. That's the best. Yeah, kind of works for us. Yeah. How would you describe this season of Beverly Hills Housewives as it gets into the season? I think it's fun.

I think it's almost like a few seasons mixed into one. So I think to the earlier conversation we were having, like, we don't fixate on any one thing for too long. So it isn't like we're living in Kyle V. Dorit over P.K. for episodes at a time, which can sometimes be, you know, a criticism of that and other shows. The trips are great. Obviously, there's Sedona, but then there's also a great trip to Italy at the end of the season, which is, I mean, to me is like, you know, sort of in the list of classic housewives trips. And it's spectacular. and the women are dressed to the nines, and, like, they really get into it with each other. You know, Dereach does not give a shit this season. Love that. And, yeah, and I can tell you that,

that is right until the very end of the season and still going. So, you know, I think that is really fun. And so, you know, I hear the criticism of B.H. That the women run at a different speed. And sometimes, you know, I think the audience feedback is they're not sharing everything, but I think it's also a different group. And so it isn't like we produce them any differently than we do anyone else. That's who they are.

And, you know, Kyle's feeling is I've shared everything I possibly can. I've shared everything that I'm comfortable with sharing. The audience knows what's happening in my life. And like, what are we talking about here? You know, that's sort of her, her, what have I not given to? the show. Speaking of Kyle, there's headlines that her and Maricio were looking a little cozy over New Year's Eve.

When you get headlines like that while you're not filming, like, is there like a call that happens or like, like, because you're not rolling right now? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we keep up with everyone all of the time anyway. And so we're sort of not caught off guard. I take those kinds of headlines, you know, with a grain of salt because I just, I just know they were to ran into Maricio last night.

Like, they were just together as a family. Yeah. You know? And so I sort of, I mean, I didn't even call about that. Why don't even ask Maricio about it last night when I saw him? But otherwise, when there are bigger headlines, we certainly are aware of it. And most of the time, we're aware of what's going on before it's a headline. Yeah.

I mean, I just take it as, and we talked about it in the last episode, I honestly have, you know, it's sad to see a marriage network out, but I honestly have a ton of respect for, for those two. The respect they have for each other is so obvious and so clear and to be able to maintain their family is a beautiful thing because you often see families really torn apart with separation and divorce. And I have a lot of admiration for both of them for able to, you know, not let their own bullshit, not to call it, you know, but like affect the rest of their family. And I honestly, I think it's, it's really incredible the way they do that. I agree. I think that they've navigated their split

with the same respect and love that characterize their marriage. And I think it's a great model if you could achieve it. Do General Kresson, I just thought of when you mentioned Doreet, fans have noticed throughout all the franchises that there are more and more single housewives.

You had Sutton, Sutton a couple seasons ago, went on a date. I personally, and I think I've seen other fans say as much, I would love to see some of these single women go out and date and see them in the wild. I imagine that's something you would be open to, too, but then I think, is it a problem of finding the men

to be willing to say yes to coming on the show and doing that to make it authentic to show their dating lives? Because I would love to see more of these women date and get out there and bring that part of their life onto the show. Yeah, we would too, because we want to cover what's really happening in their lives. And so if that's something that is important to them,

and if they're going on dates or if they're starting relationships, it would be interesting to see. I think to your point, the challenge can be that we need the OK from the other side. So we sort of try to get that. And we don't want to do the classic reality show set up dates where you're just finding someone who will sign an appearance release, right?

So you want to see who they really are spending time with in their lives. And I agree, it's just a procrastinate. where they are in their lives. I also wouldn't mind seeing, you know, some significant relationships and some husbands again on the show. You know, Amanda is married, but it isn't like, you know, there's some choice on our part to veer the show toward, you know, women who are recovering from the demise of a long-term marriage. Like, we like seeing families on the show. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. M.J. kind of implied that Heather Dubrow is leaving OC. And then Heather, soon after, kind of also teased that she might be going to Beverly Hills with the diamond emoji. Can you confirm or deny any of that? I mean, it's not rooted in anything. So I wrote back, I commented on Terry's post about diamonds. And you read diamonds are forever.

And I wrote, and oranges are nutritious and delicious. So there's nothing there. Okay. Do you think Heather wants to be on Beverly Hills or do you think she really likes being on this? There was a time where I think she was desirous of that because she was moving to L.A. And so I think, among other things, not only would it make sense geographically, but also, you know, but she likes being on the shows. And so I think there was a concern, would it make sense for her to continue on Orange County? Now, I think she appreciates where she is, you know, and she's very much stitched into that group.

and I think lie detector test not with standing and you know it isn't like it hasn't crossed her mind but like she's not you know like pining away for it I think she's I think she's you know plenty happy where she is

She doesn't mind a long commute No yeah she's good to it She's cool She's got a lot of houses I'm pretty sure Yeah Yeah Before we let you go Alex And again we appreciate it taking the time

It's always fun to catch up with you And get all this insight But I'd be remiss if we didn't discuss the valley briefly Obviously, Jacks Taylor is no longer a part of the show, we think. We have Tom Swartz, which I'm pretty excited about on the show. Do you feel like Jack's absence from the show will allow the show to be a little brighter and less dark, as some of the fans have criticized the show being?

And what is your hope for the Valley going forward? Tonally, the show is completely different this season. So I have seen the cuts of the first five episodes. And I can tell you that the vibe has radically changed. The cast is in a completely different place. There isn't sort of the overhang of Jacks. Obviously, adding Schwartz and adding Lala to the show is very consequential. You know, there's more cast elsewhere.

So we see Jesse's girlfriend Lacey, who's a great addition to the show. And it's really just a lot of fun. And if anything, that's a really crowded show. That show has like a thousand cast members. So there's just, there's more space. Jacks is a really compelling character study. So there's no question that he makes for interesting television. Last year we were covering darkness.

And so, you know, we talked about this, but I've done other interviews as well where whenever the question came up, do you think the show has gotten too dark? It's like, I'm not really sure where we should have pointed our cameras other than what was happening in everyone's lives. And it just happened to be a really tough time. and I think we've made our way through it. And the show feels more like it did in its first season, but at the same time, different and evolved,

and it's very dramatic. And so much happens in that show over such a short period of time. Like, it's whiplash. We're excited to see Lala and Tom. I'm curious, I don't know if you can comment, but were there other cast members of Vanderpump who were hoping to be able to be able to be,

part of this cast, but were decided not to be added? Or is there anything, you know, like, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think obviously the sort of conversations with Sheena were public. And, but I think, you know, we value everyone who was on Vanderpump rules and there's obviously, you know, a connection to the valley. But the valley is a really, full-up show. And it wasn't like there was a plan when Vanderpump was concluding that we were just going to, you know, have everyone fill out a job transfer form and move over. So I think things are possible going forward. We'll see. But we felt like, to your point, that as much as Jacks' absence was, you know, a blow in some ways, because Jacks drives a lot of story, it opened up more room

for others at the same time. And we already did have a few cast members joining. So, So, you know, we felt like we landed where we wanted. Alex, thanks so much for taking the time. Please come back. It's always fun to have you on. I know you have your podcast, hot mic for people to listen to. You have a lot of the people you work with on your show. Anything else you want to plug before we let you go?

No, always good to see you. Fun to talk about the shows and excited to make a few more announcements soon. But for now, please watch all of that. And Jeff Lewis, once that is. up and running as well super excited about that one amazing well if you don't want to make any announcements on the vol files Alex you uh you are always welcome i will give you a shout all right thanks buddy well you know how much we love our dogs of jeff and steve and we love them so much we want to make sure that they're taking care of and that's why we rely on as pcia pet health insurance uh it's the

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So I wanted to give you guys a heads up. And we also get into the rest of the show and some of her cast members. But I know you guys are watching it. What do you think of the show? It's unlike anything I've ever seen before. I mean, I always say that I have a middle-aged woman that lives inside of me and to watch any of these shows of like housewives, Mormon wives or members only to see different dynamics in different cities. Like, I'll never be a member of Palm Beach anytime soon. But to like see them interact and like see what they wear, what they say to each other, like the etiquette. It's just very fascinating. It is very interesting seeing how different people live and then how different platforms show it.

Yeah. Because like, as I said, I know that I could never make it in Utah based off of St. Lake City housewives and our secret lives and Mormon wives. I just don't have it in me. And I couldn't make it in Palm Beach either because my God. Also Netflix doesn't have like a show kind of like this as far as I know yet. So this to me is like it's first. Yeah, this seems like a new new lane for them. But I'm excited they're entering it. I think my my view on the show is that I there was a period of my life where I lived in Sarasur, Florida, which is a very like affluent area. My dad was the pastor of this church on St. Armand Circle, which is a very touristy, very rich area.

And a lot of the people in that church were... Palm Beach is insane money, money, money. Like, I've been to West Palm Beach. And so to watch this show is this weird thing for me because I grew up with old people who had a lot of money in Florida and would come here for seasons. in the season aspect and it's so like specific like I feel my stomach churns when I watch this show but it's so

engaging and it's so like because you know these people yeah I know these women I knew these women deeply and I know it really sounds like a whole new world as you guys know we are an apolitical show obviously this the show referenced some names that I'm sure some people find jarring Mary question for you

I imagine your politics don't line up with some of the people on the show. That being said, the parties seem fun. So if you ever got invited one of these parties, would you come? Would you go? It depends on the club in which they're talking about. I don't think they would let me end. I didn't ones of those based off of who I am as a person. Let's assume you got invited.

Let's assume this haircut is taken as Meg Ryan face value. There you go. I walk in. Oh, you think I can't charm these people next? I know you can. Would you go? I don't doubt you can get an invite. I'm just saying if we can score an invite for the household, I think we should go.

It's a work event. I mean, I'm kind of opposite. I already said I'm going. Okay, all right. Am I going as Mary from the Bile files or Mary? Whoever you want to go. Whoever you want to go. All right.

Well, up next, Roslyn Yellen joins us. And again, a bit of a trigger warning to begin. But it starts a little dark, but very inspirational at the end. And we appreciate Roslyn taking the time. And she's up next. Roslyn, welcome to the show. Hi, thanks for having me. We are excited to have you.

First of all, we've been enjoying this member's only Palm Beach. It is a banana show. I don't know if people really knew it to expect. Obviously, Florida in general has a lot of lore to it. And certainly the people down in Palm Beach for a variety of reasons and we don't have to get into all of them. But certainly just the wealth that we. we see presented on the show is really quite something. You know, we are all Housewives fans. I'm not sure if you are. It was certainly nice to see our Queen Teresa Judice make an appearance on the show.

But, you know, that show started with really being a lot of like wealthy, successful people. And that's, you know, has remained the case in some areas of Housewives, but in other areas they've, you know, casted more kind of not super rich. But with this group of women, you all seem like loaded. I think everyone is well off. Everyone has done well for themselves. So, yeah. I am curious, though, as someone who seems to have it all, certainly in the financial department,

I'm curious for you, what excites you or even makes you interested in doing a show like this where things can get messy and you can have peers and friends talk about? you in such a personal way, like the way Hillary did, and then kind of bringing that drama into your life, I guess I'm just curious, what makes you want to do it? That's a great question. I wanted to do it. I had kind of always loved watching the Housewives. I didn't watch all of them, though, but I watched Beverly Hills, certain ones I did watch. And I thought it would be a lot of fun. And I was a full-time mother. I did teach dance fitness. But I just thought that this would be my time, something that I could do, something for me that I could have fun with. It was my decision to do it,

not anybody else's. And I thought it would be wonderful and great. I never thought that I would experience the wrath from somebody like Hillary. Because you asked about that, I never thought that I would be filming with somebody who would be so mean and who would say such terrible things in the chair. every time she was in the chair something negative about me. So that was really surprising for me. I thought that everyone wanted to do the show for the same reasons I did,

and I really went into it thinking we were just going to have a lot of fun. And some of it was like a joke. You know, it was fun, but it was just kitsy and like a playoff of Palma Rial mixed with housewives. That's how I looked at it.

Well, it seems like the theme of the show is that like money isn't a number, enough, like we talked about before, you're all well off. And so it is a fascinating element to like, for the people who seemingly have it all, what are the things that motivate them? And, you know, how do people in your peer group find ways to compete when you're all so well off? Well, I don't like to compete with anybody. Okay.

Because I'm very, very, very happy with myself and where I am. And I, I, I, I'm just happy with my life. And once we talk about my life and my journey, you'll see why I'm so happy. And I feel really blessed and grateful for where I am today. But what I love to do is the charity work. And you only see a very small part of it on the show because we could not film in any private clubs. We couldn't film where I actually hold my charity events or where I'm the chairwoman for events for different charities. So we try to show it without filming in the clubs.

But for me, that's a wonderful way to just differentiate myself from people. Because to me, that's just like the epitome of society. And I love that. Well, speaking of your story and speaking of Hillary, Hillary recently shared a very personal piece of your life story publicly on another show without your permission. And I was just curious, like, I'm assuming there are parts of that version of the story that you didn't agree with, that maybe were hard for you to hear, and that you just quite frankly found hurtful. So really, I just wanted to kind of give you the floor and kind of just share what it was that Hillary shared about you and maybe set the record straight. Okay.

So when Hillary went on the podcast, she said things to paint me in a negative light. She did try to do that the entire show also. She painted me in a very negative light. And she talked about my children on this podcast, my husband and my upbringing, all very personal stories from my life that she doesn't know. And they are quite frankly not hers to tell. That's my story. And she tried to make it sound like some deep, dark secret that would ruin me.

But it's not a deep dark secret. It's just very private. it. And I want to tell my story. So thank you so much for giving me the opportunity. I really appreciate it. And it's been a journey. And I'm hoping by telling my story that I could help other women and kids who are going through similar situations. And I want them to know that there's hope and that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. And they can be strong and they can get through it. And so by sharing this today, I'm hoping that I can touch a lot of people's lives with total honesty and truth and things that are very, very hard to talk about. Hillary said that I was married before and that my two oldest daughters are not Jonathan's children.

I've been with Jonathan for 31 years and all five children were raised by Jonathan. and so what she said is only partly true. The bottom line is that Jonathan and I have five children. He is the only father that they have ever known. Hillary has no idea how I grew up. She just has no idea what she's talking about and how much trauma that I lived through to get to where I am. She said that I was married before and there,

it's such a complicated issue and I will get to it today so I'm ready to tell my story if you're ready to hear it okay well as far I mean in terms of the relationship she was referring to you you mentioned obviously it seems like there's you know some difficult aspects of this story I mean I just want to like give you the floor and just talk about you know again just set the record straight and what really is the truth and why has it been a difficult journey for you. Okay. So my story begins in Margate, New Jersey. I was born and raised in Margate. My mother, she was an immigrant. She was five when she came to this country. She married my dad and he was the son of immigrants from Italy. My mom's from Germany. They were both very different. My father was

very, very abusive. I suffered abuse from the time I was a baby six months old when he pulled my shoulder out of my socket. And growing up, I had multiple broken bones. I was whipped with the belt. And it was, I suffered a lot of abuse physically, mentally, and other abuse that I'm not ready to talk about. So it culminated in my father. My father, he took a butcher knife.

and he had it in the kitchen and my mother was screaming and crying for him not to hurt her. So I called the police and they took him away. My mother was afraid for my own safety. So she sent me away. She sent me to Israel.

I went to school. I was 15. I did not have any family there. This was in the 80s. Didn't have any cell phones. Didn't have a computer. I was just a teenager. I was on my own, but I was in school, in a boarding school.

And I met a guy. And my mother flew over. And I was very young. I was only 17 and I was still in high school. No, take time. This is something I don't talk about. Only people who are very close to me or family know that.

So this is the first time I'm saying this. She signed a consent, and I was married in a religious ceremony. As a child, really, it should be illegal. Yeah. So I really was a child. I was 17, but still, I was abandoned. I felt abandoned by my mother. She couldn't take care of me or wouldn't. She had to take care of herself. My mother did meet a wonderful man later, and she got married to a wonderful, wonderful man and lived in Philadelphia until she died in 2004 from ovarian cancer. Remember, I'm 17 and don't have any family there, don't know anybody.

I was just too young, simply. And I didn't have any resources or even a high school diploma to take care of myself. I don't know if you can imagine that in a foreign country. You know, it's... Sounds terrifying. Yes. I do not have family there. I want to stress that, and I did not know the language.

And I was, I say signed away, but she signed consent. And I was married in a religious, they have a different, a separate thing. It's called Rubinut. I was never married in the United States to him, never. But I was too young, and I did not consent myself. It wasn't your choice. No, no. but I had no choice because I was alone.

And there was really nothing else I could do. I didn't have a skill. Like I said, I did finish high school, but I was married. I was isolated and married. And then I had two daughters. When I was like 20, I just said, I'm not going to to stay in this marriage. This is not what I want. I want so much more for myself. And I dreamt of love and passion. I would watch television and watch people make out. And I just remember that.

It's like I wanted to make out like in the movies. I thought I deserve that. I wanted passion. And I left. It wasn't easy. That's a whole other story. But that was not a not easy. I had one seat on an airplane with two babies. And I came back. I came to Philadelphia. I lived in a studio with the two girls. And I told my mom, I'm not going back. She really wanted me to go. I said, I'm not. And I was so, so lucky. And I was fixed up on a blind date with my husband. Oh, really? And with Jonathan. And yeah, I was fixed up on a blind date. And I had two babies. And our first date, we went out to dinner, but we had an instant connection. And we kissed. And it was just like I always dreamed of. And when we came home, I actually had to come back

and nurse my daughter because she was a baby. She was an infant. Jonathan and I were together ever since. He raised my daughters as his own. We had three more children. David gave up his parental rights from across the sea. Jonathan and I had three more children and he raised him. He's the only father they've all ever known. My daughters, well, they were 11 months old and 2 years old. And to respect my daughter's wishes when they were growing up and they were in school, they were legally yelling.

That was their legal name, last name. they did not want kids to differentiate between them and their siblings, and they didn't want to talk about anything. They didn't want to talk about or people to say they were adopted or different, and so it's something that we just kept deeply private. And the only people that knew were very, very close friends or family. My husband wanted to talk about this in the past, but I was never ready to.

But Hillary going on a podcast and talking about this, I just said, I'm going to find the strengths and just tell my story and not have any more and anything else that anyone can say about me and just own my life and my truth. And this is what happened. And I live my life the way I do because I want to help people. So everything that I do, I do help trafficked women and their children with a place of hope here in Florida. Everything I do is just very deeply personal to me and means a lot.

And I do want to say, shame on Hillary and shame on her for turning my life story into something negative and always talking bad about me and trying to out. me when she knows nothing about me. Well, thank you for opening up and telling that very, obviously, personal story. But from my point of view, inspirational story, obviously the beginning is very dark and such a tragedy of what happened to you. But, you know, it is a shame that Hillary chose to weaponize this story against you because there are a lot of families where young people might, you know, get into a relationship, have a child.

it's a bad situation, but then they do find love in a good situation with someone else, and that person takes those kids and raise them as their own. And they have the same last name, and you're right. And I have no doubt to your kids, it's, you know, I imagine they're like, you know, how many, you know, who's in your family? And they're like, oh, I have four siblings. I imagine your kids. They're not like, oh, well, I have two siblings and I have two half siblings to your

family. We're all just one family. And it's a, you know, the second part of your story is such a beautiful story. And obviously, you turn your life around in such a magnificent way for where it began. And it really is a shame that Hillary, you know, chose to paint that in such a dark way and frame it as, I think, you know, something like, is if like she was going to ruin you, as she said. But why do you think that she thought that this story would ruin you when, you, you know, And again, all you did was save yourself and your kids from a bad situation. Because I always tell people that Jonathan and I have five children together because those are his children. He raised all five children as his own and we do not differentiate between them.

And that is my truth. That is our truth. That is my daughter's truth. That is all of my children's truth. Maddie and Maya, they call him dad. We, that we are a family. And when I meet people, we, my husband, Jonathan, has raised those children as he has raised Molly, William, and Kyle the exact same way.

And we have five children and we've been together since I'm 21 years old. And that is our truth without me going back and telling people what happened to me when I was a minor. So I don't feel the need to talk about being a child bride, which is a terrible thing, and something that alone is bad enough, but also the abuse and why I was sent away and the abandonment. So there's a lot. There's a lot there. Yeah.

Have you confronted Hillary about what she said and have you spoken to her personally? So, no, I haven't because I just heard this two days ago. on the podcast. When I saw Hillary at the premier party, she came over to me and she said, let's bury the hatchet, let's start new. I don't want this Rosalind Hillary rivalry.

And I was so happy about that. I was like, okay, great, yes, let's do that. And then one week later, this, you know, boom. So now I know I can't trust her. And I've never met people like this until I moved to the Palm Beach area. There's people here. They're just so mean and so evil and so wicked.

Okay, I don't want to say that about all of Palm Beach because Palm Beach is a beautiful, beautiful place and it has a charitable heart and there's many wonderful people. But I've also met people who are just so evil and so mean that you can't believe. So it's been like the best and the worst. But yeah, she hasn't talked to me about it. Why do you think Hillary is so mean to you? Is it because your competition? I know that you rose up in ranks quicker, I guess, than she did.

But like, what is the actual thing between the two of you? Because you guys actually are pretty friendly when you see each other. Yes. That's why. So when I watched this show, I realized that rivalry was so strong. I did not talk about her nearly as many times as she talked about me in the chair. and I didn't know that it was going to be really Roslin against Hillary. Like I had no idea that it was going to be that intense.

I never thought about it like that because we're so different. Hillary is really not in the charity world at all. Hillary is in her real estate world. We don't overlap in that sense. So I never thought there was a competition there. So only Hillary knows why she acts like she acts in my day-to-day life. I do not talk about Hillary. I don't think about Hillary.

She's not a threat to me in my mind. I am not threatened by Hillary's presence. So I don't know why she feels the need to constantly comment me and to paint a negative picture of me to people. And she wants people to... Oh, another thing she said in the chair that... She said, I'm a phony and a fraud. Not true at all.

At all. My husband and I've built a beautiful, beautiful... What does she think you're a phony and a fraud about? I don't know, but we live in our home. We raised five children. We sent them all to college. We've made a beautiful life together. I'm very involved in charities.

I donate not only money, but my time. I paid money to join the clubs on my own right. I'm not a guest of anybody. And I pay for my own life. So I don't know why she says, about me is just an awful vague thing to say about somebody to paint a negative picture. I don't know why she says it. She also said that Rosalind never worked in her life and she lacks substance. That's something she also said in the chair and raising five children. Five children, we had five

children under the age of seven. You have a newborn. You know how much work it is. I think that being a mother is the most important job in the world. And I did work. I worked very hard to raise wonderful children. It was my goal to raise kids in a loving, safe environment, the opposite of how I was raised. And I did everything I could in my power to give my children a normal life and to spare them everything that I went through. Do you know if Hillary has any idea of the real full story other than like, because like she was just like, oh, she has kids from another marriage and she's been married before, but do you think she's going to be caught off guard by hearing your truth? Yes, because there's no way she would know this. There is no way she would know my story.

If Hillary were to call you, let's say tomorrow and let's say she heard here. this interview and let's say she calls you up and apologizes to you and says, hey, I overstepped. I'm so sorry. I didn't realize. Would you accept her apology? Yes, I would. But I have a feeling that's not what she would do. I have a feeling she's going to say something negative about me and try to turn my life

into something not nice and negative because she always does that no matter what I do. So if she did do that, I would be very surprised. Very, very surprised. I mean, it would mean a lot to me, but I don't think it would happen. You and Hillary ended the season in a pretty okay place. So did something happen in between the end of filming to airing? No, nothing happened. But you can see in episode eight where we embraced and we said, okay, let's start new.

And then, you know, when she thought the cameras were up, she said, Luke, you know, I'm going to take them out or whatever she said. I don't remember exactly. Or if she said something to Luke and then she said something to Sue Bell. But whatever it was, when I watch it, I was like, oh, my God, that's so evil. It ended on such an evil note from her. I have a question about what she said, because she specifically said that she knows of a blacklist in Palm Beach and she knows how to add people to it. And I was curious because you talked. talked about the social dynamics of people being mean, some people being mean in Palm Beach. Do you know of this blacklist? Are you afraid of it? Do you think Hillary was threatening the other women? Like, what do you think were her intentions of referencing it? I think her intentions are threatening people with that. And yes, it actually can happen, but there's not one blacklist. So while she may be in a certain group of people and she could do that with those people, There's many other people. There's many groups. So somebody doesn't have to be worried about that. I mean, there's many other groups of people who are very welcoming and like come right here. It's like a mom group chat.

Right. And it's mean girls. It's mean girls. So yes. She was, it was very, oh my God, evil. Well, Rosan, I want to thank you for sharing your story and specifically responding to the comments that Hillary made. I want to, if it's okay with you, to move off from Hillary a second and ask you some other questions about the show and the rest of the women. Is Gail Brophy who she says she is? Yes. Yes. Gail Brofey is who she said she is. She's had an extraordinary life. She is older now. So I like to give her the grace and the respect for her age and stature. And I know the show leaned into our love affair a little bit, but you have to understand that she's like a mother figure to me. And she looks at me like a daughter, two things that we both don't have.

But Gail is who she says she is. But I will be sure not to lean into that next season if we get one. Can we talk about the no boobs, no knees rule? Yes, I would love to. I would love to clear that up. Let's do it. Let's do it. Can you, for anyone who maybe didn't watch the show, and I watch the show and I was still a little confused, but it appears to be like a dress code you women have at some of these high class events you guys participate in.

But it also seems kind of hard to follow. Correct. Where did this no boobs, no knees rule come from? And yeah, I just could tell us more about it? It's fascinating. Yes, I would love to. So when I came here six years ago, an older socialite who dressed quite beautifully, she said to me, because remember I came here from Pennsylvania, Bucks County,

and whatever I wore, maybe it was a little risque, but we actually joined a club. so we paid a membership and we were members. And she said, darling, don't show your boobs and your knees. I understood what she was saying. It's not literal. She's just trying to tell me, she was trying to tell me just dress a little more modest in certain situations. So it's kind of like when you start driving and you're taking driving lessons and he says,

hold the steering wheel like this, you know, you're holding it like this. But now you're driving better and you hold one hand. You know, maybe you hold it down here, you hold it here. So once you get it, you understand the nuances. So it's not a strict rule. But I was hoping by sharing it with Romina that she would just kind of understand it like I did, oh, okay, if you're in a private club or you're at a charity event, maybe just dress a little more modest. And if you're unsure, just think, okay, maybe I shouldn't show my boobs and my knees.

And usually it's just for like a daytime charity event, luncheon. So that's, you know, just dress a little more modest in certain situations. You don't want to be promiscuous, especially at a charity event and a member only call. Well, I mean, you know, just because you take your shirt off doesn't mean you're a hoe, you know what I'm saying? You know, like I take my shirt off all the time. Right. Is it like one or the other? You can go knees or boobs?

You just can't do both? Totally. Yes. Yes. Yes. I guess do that. But at night, it doesn't matter, really. In the evening, just because most of the gowns do have a high slit and a low thing.

But as long as it's long, you're good. Okay. Who on the cast did you enjoy their company the best? I enjoy Romina and Maria, both of their company the best. Well, you know, I love Gail. But Gail is not in the five, the five girls. So other than Gail, I love Ramina and Maria. Okay.

Is Romina the... the singer? Yes, she is. And I brought her on the show because I know her from Bucks County. So she's like following in my footsteps, like coming here. But the only thing is she hasn't joined a club. Her singing career, is that like a hobby or is that something that she is passionately following and taking seriously? I think that she takes it seriously, but it's a hobby.

And I think that she mostly sings in Russian. Mostly, but I'm not sure. So most, I think mostly Russian songs. You and Romina kind of had a bit of a miscommunication when it came to your friendship versus the mentorship. How are you guys today? Is she following in the footsteps and actually listening to you or do you feel like she's kind of picking up what you're putting down? We're very close. We're friends. And I'm not going to be that mentor because I don't enjoy that. and we love each other in our own way, and we're just not going to do that.

So Ramin is going to do what she wants. But, you know, another thing is, though, if you're coming to the club as my guest, then you just have to follow maybe what your hostess is asking you to follow. You know, it's because when I took her, it was with me. Other than the no boobs, no knees rule, can you give us like an etiquette 101 on the rules of how to operate in Palm Beach in the socialite groups that you partaken? I would say don't ask to be invited, but wait for the invite.

When you're invited, be a gracious guest. Look to your guest for guidance and maybe even ask your guest, oh, are you wearing your guest? a short dress, are you wearing a long dress? And I would say to dress more modest, definitely to maybe bring your hostess a gift, try to get involved in a charity that you find, that you find worthy. I think for etiquette 101 also, also it's nice to throw a party and to invite everybody back to reciprocate. Other than the no boobs, no rule, is there like a weird one that you've heard that you like, you're like, I don't get why that's the way it is. No, not really.

You know, oh, you can't take pictures in most clubs. Some clubs, they even put, like, tape on your camera when you walk in. So you're not allowed to take pictures in private areas. You're not allowed to take pictures maybe with members in the background because it's private. So a lot of clubs have, like, no, they have signs that say no videography, no photography. They do want you to use an indoor voice. They don't want you, like, screen. screaming inside.

And some clubs in Palm Beach, I wouldn't even be able to be a member of today because they are still very old-fashioned. Old-fashioned in what way? I believe that there's clubs that, well, you know, I really don't, I really don't know enough about it. But I think that they're just not very welcoming to people. Understood. Do you guys have any more questions for Roslyn?

I just have one because I feel like there's a lot of societal rules of living in Palm Beach. Do you have like a place that you guys go to to like, I don't know, let loose or like not have any rules and just have fun or is like your entire life, the society of Palm Beach? Most of my life is in Palm Beach with the society rules because I'm there. I'm in Palm Beach every day and I'm involved in so many different charities and events. but I do have fun at the events. That is fun for me. I love it.

I know. I do you dance. Yes. I dance at everything. And I'm always the first one on the dance for and the last one. So I loved, love, love to dance. We do have fun, though. You know, we have fun.

We love each other. By the way, we filmed for three months. And it was boiled down to six hours. And the show only leaned into their storyline, what they wanted you to see. But we had loads of fun. We had dinners. and we were silly and we were fun and we were outside. And sometimes we were loud and we had DJs and we were dancing.

So we do have a lot of fun. But you really didn't get the whole picture in six hours. There's so much more to see. That's why we need a season two. It sounds like you're in if Netflix decides to bring it back that despite this very difficult situation with Hillary and this violation of your privacy, you're still game to film with these women

if you're asked back. Yes, for sure. I had so much fun filming. I actually had so much fun. It was a wonderful experience. I learned a lot about myself. As you can see, I found my voice. I finally found my voice.

It says, Hillary, she keeps making me find my voice. And I have to tell you right now, I have never felt such a weight lifted off my chest as I do right now. You're the first people I told this to. Well, I'm very happy to hear that, and I really appreciate you giving us that opportunity to share your story. Could our, the household, could we come to one of your parties someday or? Nick, etiquette 101, you don't ask to be invited.

You wait. Fuck, yeah. You broke the rule. I did. He broke the first rule. I'm not lucky. I can't. I probably can't wear this, right?

Like, I have to probably dress up. Yes, there's a dress code. There's a dress code. So men, yes, men are. I look great in a suit. Oh, perfect. That's perfect. Wear a suit.

And yes, a suit is perfect. No jeans. Jeans are never allowed. I haven't worn jeans basically in six years. I was going to ask that. You can't wear jeans, can you? I'm a jean and a T-shirt kind of guy, Rosal. I know.

But you can wear jeans in Palm Beach. What about shorts? Shorts? Shorts are allowed in the club if it's like golf attire. Because many men go to the club for lunch out of your ball. Sandals? Yes. If you're wearing your shorts, yes. You can also wear sneakers with your suit. My husband does. He loves sneakers. He has a fabulous sneaker collection. And he wears his sneakers with his suits to make it fun. And you don't always have to have a tie. Sometimes you do. Easy on the feet. Protect the knees, you know. Well, wink, wink, wink, non-nod, Roslyn. I'm just saying if they're throwing a party, I don't, you know. Would you like to come? Would you like to come for red, white, and vogue?

Sure. What is it? It's a fabulous charity event. I'm the chairwoman for like 600 people. It's in the evening. And we are supporting veterans. And the gray team, the gray team provides mental health services for veterans free of charge. And that's something that I'm very passionate about.

is giving mental health, making sure mental health services are available for people who can't afford it and especially our veterans. So red, white, and vogue salutes our veterans. And it's going to be an amazing black tie gala. You can let me know if you can make it. I need to dust off my wedding tuxedo anyways. I bought this Tom Ford tuxedo top and I, you know, I've only been able to wear it once. And I was like, I need to get some R.O. out of this. Can you repeat outfits? Is that okay? No. For men, what? For men, you can't wear a suit? same tuxedo? No, men can. Yes, men can. So with women, yeah, women, we try not to wear the same outfit in the same season, photographed twice, or we try not to wear the same gown in the same season.

But men, you certainly can. Roslyn, anything else you want to share or get off your chest before we let you go? No, I mean, it was just a wonderful experience, and Romina and I are great. We love Romina. Gail was a little hard on her, but also Gail. Gail, Gail. is older and I want you to understand maybe that she really didn't hear her very well with Uzbekistan Pakistan like I hate to say it but Gail gave Romina a very sincere and heartfelt apology in episode eight and she loves Romina they text they talk on the phone so she really is lovely and it didn't show her in the best light and out of respect I and also when Gail was around. It was me, Gail and Ramin, I just couldn't get a word in edgewise.

So after filming so many times and you didn't get to see it on the show, I would just kind of sit there and just let them go at it because I couldn't get a word in. Now that I have more found my voice, I feel that I'll do better with that in season two. All right. Well, Roslyn, thank you again for taking the time and thank you again for being so vulnerable in sharing this very personal story with us. The show is members only Palm Beach. It's streaming now on Netflix. And if you love reality TV and some messy ladies, rich messy ladies getting at it,

you are going to love this show. So be sure to check it out. Razan again, thank you for taking the time and best of luck. And you're both invited. You're both invited to Red White and Vogue and your wife also. Yeah, sorry she's going to be here. She is down bad with the stomach flu right now, but I will let her know. Yes.

Thank you. All right. Bye, guys. And this was so nice. Thank you so much. All right, Roslyn. All right. Well, that will do it for us today. Thank you to our guest, Roslyn and Alex Baskin. And thank you to you guys who listened. I'm probably going to go throw up now. I'm going to get the stomach flu. I'm sure shortly. Until that, I'm going to go take care of my wife and baby. I hope you all have a great week. We will see you next week. Don't forget to check out the going deep episode with Austin Kroll of Southern Charm. It is an excellent, excellent interview, and he was dynamic. He just texted me. He was getting a lot of feedback that I think overall he's happy with.

He said, other than the occasional Karen, who told him to grow up, he was happy with the response. But it was a really fascinating interview. He really gets into the relationship with all the cast members, but specifically the boys, Shep and Craig, and you were not going to want to miss that for all you Southern Charm fans. Oh, really, you don't have to be a Southern Charm fan to enjoy it. It's a dynamic interview. Other than that, we'll see you next time.

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