The Viall Files - E1061 - Greta Titelman Recaps the Golden Globes, Traitors w/ Rob Cesternino, RHOBH and Valley Persian Style

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  The Traitors are back and as treacherous as ever, and we're joined by Rob Cesternino to help us get into the first couple episodes. Is Michael Rapaport too much? Why'd they do Donna Kelce like that? Also… can we talk about how hot Rob is?? All that, and more. Meanwhile, the hilarious Greta Titelman stops by to talk about the Golden Globes, loving FILMS, Timmy and Kylie, excitement for the Olympics, and the toxic friend group drama between Ashley Tisdale, Hilary Duff and Mandy Moore. Plus, we cover the most recent episode of RHOBH and the premiere of the Valley: Persian Style. You won't want to miss it! "He's hijacked the show!"  Buy Our Merch: https://shop.viallfiles.com/  Are you interested in being a part of a dating docuseries, with the opportunity of meeting your one? Fill out our casting call! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc8_echsNPYsFZZ1tIpyY_aMD75tB3kZwKWCfgVZuYeS-xJQg/viewform Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff. Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Follow us on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheViallFiles Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick's Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with "Texting Office Hours" in the subject line! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Helix Sleep - Go to https://helixsleep.com/VIALL for 20% off sitewide for their new years sale. Grammarly - Sign up for Grammarly FREE and get your professional writing from draft to done. Visit https://grammarly.com  Better Help - BetterHelp makes it easy to get matched online with a qualified therapist. Sign up and get 10% off at https://betterhelp.com/viall  Nutrafol - For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you go to https://nutrafol.com and enter the promo code VIALL Quince - Refresh your winter wardrobe with Quince. Go to https://quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro/Household Headlines 4:11 - Greta Joins 12:44 - Golden Globes 52:45 - Traitors 57:12 - Rob Joins 1:20:12 - RHOBH 1:31:39 - The Valley: Persian Style 1:39:52 - Outro Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @gertiebird @robcesternino @ciaracrobinson @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @the_mare_bare  

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Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you Helixleep.com slash V-I-A-L-L. Going on, everybody. Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vial Files' Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, joined by my extraordinary. I think we could lose the bit in 2026. You think so? I feel like.

He's learning so many new words. He is, him and his thesaurus. Like, I didn't know. He's got a thesaurus and a deep love for his wife. It is true. I do. I do. He's just a special person and I love her so much.

Thank you. Thank you. Well, we do, in fact, have a great episode lined up for you. Moments from now, the hilarious Greta titleman will be joining us to get into all things. Headlines and Golden Globes, a friend of show, Nikki Glazer. did another fantastic job of hosting the Golden Globes. We were going to go to her after party, and then we fell asleep. He should have gone because she can roast like nobody's business.

I don't think she was going to be roasting at her after party. Well, that was my bit was like she cooks, like she roast, but also she was roasting on stage. I got it, I heard it's received this funny out of you. We also have Rob C. Oh, by the way, you know, if you're going to listen to this and you haven't watched traitors. Spoiler alert. Yeah, we do talk about what happens on this show. Is he still there? Is he not? Get ready to find out.

Rob C is with us to talk about it. We got some surprising exits from the castle. Sad to see some people go. We'll get into that and so much more. Do not forget, Vial Files Plus is available. It's rocking and rolling. And now all of your Vial Fowel episodes are ad-free on Vial Plus where you can get all your favorite updates from your favorite ask Nick callers. you can get some deep dives into some of your favorite reality TV shows like traders, like the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, where we really get in the nitty gritty of like, you know, what do we think Rob, sexy Rob, eats at the castle, you know, riveting things like that.

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Yeah, I got a tattoo on Friday. Is you first? It's my first. I got this little shrimp. You got a shrimp. I got a shrimp. Let me just say. Justin was with me.

This girl is impulsive. She walked by the tattoo shop on her way to lunch and she goes, I'm going to get a tattoo day. I love that. And I was like, okay, I'll go with you. And then I walked in and I said, you have other tattoos, right? And she's like, no.

My first tattoo is this little bee right here. Nice. Did you go into the shop knowing what you were getting? Or did you just pick a random design? I knew I wanted a bee. And then I went to a fancy tattoo artist who made it really little. Yeah. I just, it was a flash.

And then I'm, it made me, my brother worked at a bait shop when I was growing up. And we used to go fishing like all the time. And I just really resonate with the little shrimp. What does it represent for you, Mary? It feels like home. And also like, it's a little silly, but not like, it's a little stupid, a little silly, but also like kind of earnest for me, which is funny. And I like it.

And it's also cute. It's the beginning of like a sleeve. It's the beginning of something. because I love, it felt awesome. And I do feel cooler and hotter now that I have it. And tougher? Yeah. Yeah.

How did it hurt you? No. Yeah. They don't hurt. Depends on where you get it. The eagle I have on my ribs. Yeah. That was painful.

The tattoo guy made the best joke I've ever heard, though, in which he was like, I've never tattooed a shrimp before. And then the other guy there who does the piercings goes, no, normally it's people. And I laughed for like five minutes. You do look like the shrimp. Thank you. It's really sweet. Well, up next.

Credit Tidalman joins us. She recently did her stand-up on Seth Myers. She's also on Lute and many more. She's friends with all your favorite comedians and her star is rising and she's up next. I feel like when you guys ask me what I watch, I was like, I felt so bad. I was like, they're going to think I'm such a freak. Because I don't watch like any reality television. That's okay.

I know. Like, I feel like don't watch anything. It's not good. It looks like you watch a lot. Yeah. I watch a lot of scripted. Yeah. Everybody has their thing. I know. Yeah. I'm like, I'm an escapist. So I'm like, okay, show me somebody else's life. And I feel like I watch reality TV by proxy because I hang out with like 99% gay men. There you go. So I feel like I get it. You know what I mean? Like I understand. So we could get the what's going on reality TV secondhand through the title. Totally. I know. I know. know a lot of, yeah, I can give it to you. People are really excited about this new Miami of Housewives. I know that much. The Palm Beach. Yeah. The members only Palm Beach. Sure, whatever is. Yeah. Great. Yeah. See, I know. You're in it. Come on. When your friends tell you about reality TV, though, do you listen to it as like a friend hearing somebody's beef with somebody else? Or like, are you asking questions? I'm asking no questions. No questions. You're just like, all right, here's the story. Yeah, I don't want to know anymore. Yeah, I'm just like, okay.

Yeah. It's like when somebody's talking to you about friends they had from college that you weren't friends with, and you're like, totally, yeah, keep going with this. I love it. Yeah. I know a lot about Sonia Morgan's life. That's like one person that I know quite a bit about. And Bethany Frankel. Okay. So you are a New York fan. I guess. Can I talk to you about your obsession with jazz? Is it still, are you still obsessed with jazz? Or was that just a child? Yeah, I love jazz. No, I love jazz. I'm really, I'm really into my jazz era now. Oh, you are? What are you listening to?

Background. Okay, okay, so wait, what do you mean? I don't. Like, you go on YouTube and you watch one of those weird, like, AI videos. It's like a fireplace at a lake and you're listening to like, yeah. Coffee House Jazz. Yeah, coffee house jazz. No, it's background.

It's the background jazz playlist on Spotify. Gorgeous. It's, and now in the car, jazz. Yeah, we love jazz. It calms me. It's wonderful. I love jazz. I listen to it.

I'm in a big, I'm stepping back into a really big John Coltrane era right now. Personally. Talk about your love for him. Yeah, Nick. What's your favorite John Coltrane song? I don't know. You know your favorite piece of John Coltrane. Like Greta doesn't know reality.

I know, like, I just, like, that sounds nice. Like how I appreciate reality television by proxy in the background. Yes. You appreciate jazz in the background as well. My grandmother, uh, who is in her 90s and has had. a wonderful life and still with us, but her memory is unfortunately not as sharp as it used to be. She visited us at the lake. And, you know, sadly, she just doesn't remember a lot of specific things. And I was playing a jazz playlist. And out of nowhere, she's like, I know the name of this song and in the artist.

And she crushed it. And it was a really cool moment. Anyway, I mean, they say, like, that, like, recall is very real. Like, my grandfather had full dementia. I was 98 years old, but could still sing like songs. Yeah, it's really incredible. Are you any group chats that are causing any ruckus these days, like the mom chat's going on? No. Like, okay, here's something about me. I don't want drama.

I am very Mary J. Blodge, no more drama. I just like, I can't. It stresses me the fuck out. I've lived too long an anxiety-riddled individual to be involved in drama. So just like, I create drama in my mind. I don't need it actually manifesting on my phone. What is your trick of exercising your anxiety demons? Well, I literally exercise.

That's like, that's number one. I have to like forcefully move my body. That's number one. What's your go-to exercise? Well, I'm addicted to my trainer. I love my trainer. But then I got to, I'm not going to lie to you guys. I do Barry's boot camp.

I do. I do. You're brave. I do Barry's, I'm obsessed, I'm addicted. I love my king. Shout out to Kyle Kay. He's the best. Go to the Barry's boot camp, get that fucking burn on.

Yeah, I have to release the demons inside. But the mom chat stuff did bring me joy. It's a good feud. Because it like wasn't you? Because it's not me. And I'm also like, I love like nasty Valley moms. Like that is fun to me. I'm like, I love the concept.

of Mandy Moore and Hillary Duff bullying Ashley Tisdale because it's also like those are my girls. Allegedly. You know, those are my girls. You know what I mean? So it's like I love. Like we all grew up together. Yeah, we all grew up together.

Those are my girls from high school. Like, I know those chicas. I mean, not actually, but you know, spiritually. And I feel like I'm locked in on that. What was your immediate gut reaction to Hillary's husband posting the Photoshop, The Cut article, where he called Ashley Tisdell a. Insufferable.

inseferable. Was it that? I think it wasn't. One of those words. This just solidifies my opinion that straight men are the catiest individuals on planet Earth. That I believe that the catiest people that we live with are straight cis men. We're just looking for an opportunity. I know.

And you guys like love attention and you guys love to stir the pot. And you love to be like, I'm just sticking up for my wife. Meanwhile, your wife is probably like, you're being psychotic. I don't want you to post that. And you're like, no, I'm going to because it's fucked up. What they did to is fucked up. Yeah. And then you say some crazy shit.

I have to defend your honor. Yeah, I have to defend you. I'll look like a huge loser if I don't defend your honor by posting this crazy thing. Yeah. And meanwhile, you're like, it's going to make it so much worse for me. And then when I get called out, I'll just subtly suggest that you made me do it. Yeah, but then the interesting thing, exactly. And the interesting thing about their dynamic is,

Hillary Duff is also entering a new music era. And that's an interesting situation. What if we're all being played? What if behind the scenes like Ashley Tisdale, Hillary Duff got together, knowing that there's new music coming out? I mean, you think Ashley was like, let me help you boost your album? I mean, honestly, I think that that's beautiful and that is sisterhood. And I'm going to choose to believe that that's actually what's happening.

They like, in their mom group, they were like, wait, we need to uplift. Yeah, we need to start a feud to make people pay attention to the music you have your husband call me insufferable. Exactly. Correct. That's what I think is happening. He did. He said one year the most self-obsessed, tone deaf person on earth. Other moms tend to shift focus to their actual toddlers was what his fake cut article said.

He pulled no punches. He pulled no punches. If I were Ashley Tisdale, I would be like. What? You're married. Yeah. Would you want your husband jumping in? No.

No. I'm not married insane because I'm like, Daryl Sabara also, Megan Trainor's husband also came out and said something about it too. I don't remember what he said, but I just know that I thought it was a weird headline where I was like, why are all of these husbands speaking out about a mom group they weren't a part of? It's giving dad talk. Literally. Yeah. I don't know. It's very strange.

I just think people, I think people are bored. They are very bored. And I think that sometimes, like, Los Angeles can be a really isolating, boring place, and it can really warp your mind. And it can make you think that shit is important that's not because you're just, like, in your compound in Topanga. And you're like, what is happening? And then you're just like, not my wife. And then you're just like firing off. And then you actually need to go outside and touch grass.

Well, it seems like, so Ashley Tisbill's husband said, I don't really know what. what's going on. I hope I hope that's how he should respond. She's okay though. See, that's an honest situation. He's like, I have no idea. Oh, wait, no, no, no. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I misquoted. It was Megan Trainor's husband said, I don't really know what's going on. I hope Ashley Distill is okay.

Yeah, I do too. I mean, peace and love to wasn't her name Sharpe? Sharpie? Yeah. And also she killed it on the red carpet in the early 2000. She did. The jeans on She was a fearless style icon. Fearless, fearless, fearless. Well, speaking of red carpets and fearlessness, what did you think of the Golden Globes?

Okay, I actually thought, because I knew we were discussing that today. And I actually was, like, gathering my thoughts. And, you know, I actually really believe that it was, like, kind of one of the best award shows I've seen in a long time. I thought Nikki killed it. I thought she did such a fab job. She was so funny. She's just the best and like she looked great. And then I thought I was laughing, laughing, laughing at the music they were playing.

That was all when they were like getting their awards. I was like this is so funny. It felt like a middle school dance, but Stellan Scarsgard was accepting an award. It was great. They were playing like that Bruno Mars song when what's his when that, when Stephen Graham won for adolescence. Oh yeah. I was just like I love that they're playing like 20 folks. carried magic in me and I was just like this is great like we can't play any music from this year

no I loved it I was like play music like it felt like I was at some event in 2006 that was a nice moment when he won that award though I mean he's been a great actor for so many years you've never really seen him be recognized for it and it was really cool I do like I feel like adolescence came out maybe five years ago and they're still winning awards but Maybe it was just this past year it came out. I know. It's always like, it's talking about it forever. It's the timing, like when something comes out in the beginning of the being able to qualify

for the award, it does feel like we've lived with it for like 9,000 years. I know. It's always like, yeah, it seems like a show or a movie from like something it seems forever ago or a show or a movie that like just came out and no one's seen it. Yeah. It's like you really need to find that sweet spot with. releasing things. It's like how I felt Shogun won everything for like

four years. And I was like, oh, I guess Shogun is just winning for the next 10 years. And it should because it was so good. I really appreciated Nikki's Leo joke. It was the follow-up joke because like the low-hanging fruit of like making fun of the age of the women he dates. And I was like, okay, roll your eyes. And then

she's like, but we know nothing else about you. And I was like, that is so... I know. It was really good. True. It's so true. And I was like Tiger Beat interview. Yeah. Like 90s.

The pasta, pasta. I know. It's, it is amazing how little we kind of know about it. I know. It was like I was kind of admired him for it. And Leo, if you want someone to make fun of you on things outside of the women you date, just come on the show. We'll give you plenty of opportunities. I did watch his actors on actors with Jennifer Lawrence.

And she really tried. to get him to... I felt like it was the most like interview we've seen. She is. She's a great interviewer. But it was like the most like Leo interview we've seen where he wasn't, you know, it was long.

He talked about other things. But it was... He's a tough cookie to crack. I watched that the actors on actress too. And like, because I, obviously am obsessed with Leonardo DiCaprio. I have been forever. We all are.

And I am always just, I'm like, when are we going to get like... something. But then I also remember he's a child actor and like he is so in this business and like this is his whole life and mind. Like why give us something now? And also he's not going to like tell us about like partying with the pussy. You know what I mean? Like that's what I want and he's not going to give that to us. He's just going to continue wearing that black baseball cap out in public and hiding his face and a mask. And a mask. And a mask. And vaping. And vaping.

The king loves to vape. No one really picked up on that little. Nikki slipped that in. Yeah. About the vaping. And yeah, she had a lot of Easter eggs in her jokes. She did. The girls, I get to get it.

Did you guys see Sean Penn smoking a cigarette? Yes. Which I was like, go completely off. That's what I said. I think it's badass. Brass! He smokes cigarettes everywhere. I'm just like, someone has to be cool.

Yeah. And sorry that cigarettes are still cool when Sean Penn smokes them. I think some people. can smoke inside. If you're Sean Penn, you can smoke inside. Yeah, I agree. 100%. Do you think anyone had the guts to go up to him and go, excuse me, Mr. Penn? No. At this event, at this age, absolutely not. Imagine you're a PA making like $15 an hour and they're like, hey, can you go and tell Sean Penn that he has to stop smoking? I would be like, no. No. I quit. I would say no. Like, I'm not going to be that person for you. I'm sorry. You can go do that.

You can go do that. I had to buy black pants from Goodwill. But if you want to go and tell Sean Penn to stop smoking, can. Mary said that some people are feeling a little protective of Timmy. I mean, I think maybe Club Chalamee, maybe some of the other Timmy stands. Club Chalemay when we all got to watch Club Chalemay at the Palm Spring. Did you see that? When Club Chalemay got to kind of see, what is she called? The Critics Choice Award, was that it? That was at, it was at Palm Springs, the film festival. Oh, oh. And you know, Club Chalamee has hated Kylie Jenner. Yeah, Club Chalemay does not Fuck with Kylie Jenner. Does not like Kylie Jenner.

What does she call her? Oh. Oh. Something really funny. I feel like she was just at the last award show that when Timothy was like, my foundation, my partner of three years, thank you so much. And like she was there. That was critic's choice. No.

She was at the one where he did win an award at Palm Springs. Okay. And that's where they sighed each other. Yeah. Yeah. How did she get invited? She's everywhere. She is everywhere.

She is. Maybe she didn't invite her. Maybe she just shut up. Yeah, maybe she just crashed. A club chalemay crash. When Tim called Kylie, his partner, and Natalie pointed out that, like, not just PC, but also just like, it's just a better way to describe your girlfriend. It seems more grown up.

Yeah, I can't imagine him giving his Golden Glove speech and being like, and thank you to my girlfriend. I kind of feel like there's also like a certain age that you kind of hit. And when you've been with somebody for a while, you're like, you're not my, like, you're my boyfriend. Like, you're my partner, the person I'm choosing to spend. now and hopefully the rest of my life with. I kind of am like, say her name. I'm kind of like, say her name, my love.

We know who you're talking about. Say I love you, Kylie. Say it with your chest, king. Wow. Let's hear it. Why doesn't he say her name? She's sitting right there. Because I think the relationship is like so, it's like the big,

it's like the two biggest celebrities of that like younger generation. dating and I'm a part of that younger generation, okay? But it's, I don't know, I don't know why. I think he knows club would get upset if he said Kylie. I think that would be the final, like, stick in her heart that it would be done. He's not saying, he's saying my partner to protect Club Chalameh. Protect Club, because it could. It makes total sense.

At this point, Club Chalemay is Timothy's partner. Like, regardless of she's pariscialed so hard that like, oh, she's definitely like, he's thanking me. Yeah. For sure. She's not saying Kylie's name because it's me. And my partner for our foundation three years. He had her. Love Shalve. I don't know they'd been dating for that long. Since it happens when you keep your business to yourself.

I was going to say, I was like, I feel like we don't ever see any photos of them just like on vacation or anything. Anything that they don't want us to see, we don't see it. Which I like. They're just normal. Yeah. Yeah. Totally normal. Building a foundation. It's normal building their foundation. Do you think they'll have children? Club and Timmy? Oh, sorry. Kylie. I have no idea. I mean, that would be cute. It's kind of good. Every footage I saw of them

talking at the Golden Globes, it was Kylie Jenner saying, I love you. Yeah. That's the only conversations that I caught wind of. When I like being really toxic, I'll go on the Daily Mail. And I used to be addicted to the Daily Mail. And then I like had to over COVID. I was like, this has to stop. She got really darksided and crazy. I mean, it's our. I mean, it's our already very darksided over there. It's like Satan's platform over there. Yeah, they're not looking for anything. No, it's all awful. And like during COVID it got so Rancho Cucamanga crazy over there. During COVID I went running as people did and I didn't have a shirt on and the paparazzi got me. And then the Daily Mail had a headline, Nick Weil runs nearly naked. Like as if I lost my mind and I was just streaking the streets.

thanks to the Daily Mail. But that's kind of a fab headline. Yeah, I can't really naked. Nearly naked is a good alliteration. I was like, that's kind of fun. Flirty and fun. It's maybe the most kindest headline I've gotten from the Daily Mail. Yeah, and you're showing off your gorge bod.

They could have definitely been a lot meaner. I was saying the other day, I saw one one, like, headline that was like, lip reader says Timmy and Kylie got into a crazy fight as she mouths, I hate you. You hate me. And I'm like, what? Yes, of course. No. Also, you hate me as a form of endearment.

What do you mean? I know. I say that to take all the time. Yeah, when you say, you hate me. You hate me. Yeah. Yeah. That's mean she asked for a piece of his cheese and he was like, I was going to eat it.

And she's like, I'll hate me. Exactly. We know what that means. We know what that means. They're in love. They're in love. Deeply. Deeply.

I was saying the other day, though, that I miss, I miss simpler times when we just had, like, one internet bully. Like, I missed when we just had Perez Holton. And we just had one guy being so vicious. And then, like, that was it. And now everyone has. Now it's a cottage industry. Yeah. And now it's, like, it's gotten too crazy.

There are too many haters. Too many. You're like, wait, I can clip this, cut this. cut this, make it sound completely opposite of what they intended to say. Totally. And no one will fact check that. Exactly. No, no, no, no.

That would be too much work. And like Perez Hilton, I mean, he was just getting goofy giving people really bad nicknames. Where is he these days? I think he's been exiled. Yeah. I wonder where he's living. I share a birthday with Perez Hilton. One of the March 23rd, me, Perez Hilton.

It's an honor. Do you have any famous birthday sharing? moments. Oh yeah. Like, do I share my birthday with other famous people? Um, other than myself, yes. Actually a lot. A lot of really impressive ones. I have a really special birthday. I'm born on April 19th. And to just name a few, we have, of course, the incredible Kate Hudson, who we love. We have the incredible Ali Wong. My dear friend James Scully, born on the same day as me. We have James Franco. I name another James. We have. have, oh, there was another April 19er.

This could make for like a great joint birthday party. I know we could have a really fun time. Wait, there's, are you looking up April 19th or yours? Yours. Give me a quick sack. My best friend's birthday is also April 19th. Yeah, it's a powerful Aries Day. Yeah.

Mine is like nobody. Simuloo, April 19th, Ashley Judd, Hayden Christensen. Yes, Hayden. That was the one that I was trying to remember. Tim Curry. Period. Iconic. Gustavo Petro, the Colombian president. There we go. Okay. Yeah. It's a good day. Yeah. Wow. I'd say it's a special day. Of all the movies or TV shows that were recognized of the Golden Globes, did you have a favorite one that you actually enjoyed? Or subsequently, did you have one where you're like, I don't really get this show? Okay. See, now you're in my wheelhouse because I, of course, have watched every...

single thing that's been nominated for I'm like one of those people when something is nominated for like an Oscar I need to watch all of the movies or I need to watch all of the things yeah I like I love the business Did you get one battle after another? Did I get it? Yes, what do you mean?

I started watching and I gave up on it. What? I know. Did you go to the movie theater or did you watch it like on your fucking laptop? On his phone. I have a little projector. Okay.

And you fell asleep. I just stopped it. Why? I guess I have bad taste. I don't. Okay, hold on. You need to walk me through where, like, at what point in the movie you stopped it and why? And what was going on with you that day?

Were you, what was happening? Where were you emotionally when you went to watch this film? And where was I? You weren't feeling well. Okay. I was watching it by myself. It was right after the baby was born in the movie that I was like, I don't know. Really?

But then I, my similes watch it. And, you know, my dad and I tend to agree on films that we enjoy and he didn't really, wasn't into it. So maybe I came in with a bias point of view. Maybe I didn't give it its fair shot. What did you love about it? Maybe I should give it another shot. Oh, I loved everything about it. I'm such a Paul Thomas Anderson, like, the like, the like cinema boy in me is like fapping to fucking Paul Thomas Anderson all the time.

You know, I'm like, I would love to be in any. It was like free. I would suck his toes. All 10. All 10. I would put them all in my mouth. And I also love that he's married to Maya Rudolph. I obviously love Myrudov.

I idolized Maya Rudolph. I was honored to be in loot. But what did I love about one battle after another? Literally everything. I loved everything about that movie. To me, it was like, I was sitting there and I was like, oh, this is a fucking movie. I'm like, this is cinema. But I also was like nerdy and like saw it at the vista and 70 millimeter, you know,

and like Vista Vision and 70 millimeter. And like I'm that person that like will do that thing. And I mean, yeah, I do. I do. I also just loved I loved everyone in it. Like I loved Benicio del Toro. I love Tiana Taylor. I loved I love Sean Penn.

Are you kidding me? His arms in that movie. Gracie. Like you need to lock in. You need to go back and you need to lock in. And you need to be like, I am watching this because I will enjoy it. See, I came in with a negative attitude. That's my problem.

I loved it. I also, you know, I think it's just cool to watch big ideas and like things. I feel like it's so rare that we get, and I'm the first person to say this. It's so rare that we get original movies anymore. That's true. And it's just fun to see a crazy. It was like a really fun ride. What's one that you didn't quite get?

One that I didn't quite get. Or it just wasn't for you. Avatar is one that. Have you seen all the avatars? No, they're too long. I've only seen the first one and I was like, I'm good after that. It's just three, like, you want me to lock in for three plus hours? Like, at least the Brutalist gave us a 15-minute intermission.

You know what I mean? I'm like, it's so much. But at the same time, I'm also like, go completely off. Like, you people are telling you you can make a three-hour and 13-minute-long movie about blue aliens. Like, do it. Not for me. Did you see Marty Supreme? I sure did.

Love it. I'm excited to see. It was so fab. Again, my nerdy ass went Christmas Day. Oh. And it was so fun. And I loved it. And yeah, it's all the, all the saffty things I would hope for. I saw Gwyneth Paltrow and she was saying that on Marty Supreme, she like went up to Timothy and she was like, hey, like I know a couple of products and things you can do to like help with the acne scars.

And he was like, so this is all makeup actually. I don't know. This isn't real. Because he's like got the, I guess like really bad keloids and acne scars and it like looked so real. That's so funny. Micronedaling will really help if you're just offering her goop her goop mind She was so good in it She's so yeah

She was so good everyone was so good And I'm also a huge Shark Tank fan And you know I loved seeing crazy Mr. Wonderful In that movie And he was so good Yeah apparently he's got a bit of the A taste for acting now

I guess Even though he's just acting like himself But yeah I guess I guess so Yeah to get a part to say Just be you be an asshole Just you know Embrace it, I guess. And he went to the Golden Globes, you know?

Yeah. Well, Mary put together a fun little Golden Globes game for some of the awards you did not get to see. Yeah, yeah. You guys, I don't ever hear at the Vial Files, like, we're always breaking news. We're always, like, getting stuff sent to us that, like, sometimes we can't share, sometimes we can't. This weekend, I was sent, like, rejected Golden Globes categories that they didn't make air, so I thought we were doing it here. Wait, what do you mean? Like, categories, they didn't let it on.

Like real categories that exist? They're totally real that exist. They're not real. What are you talking about? I'm very gullible. Same. So. All right.

The first one is best wig. Okay. First up, we have the Diva from Weapons. Mm-hmm. The hunting lives all. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was crazy.

Ashley Padilla in that one SNL sketch. Mm-hmm. And Emma Stone after Bologna when she was on the red carpet. And everyone was like, did she shave her head? Is that a wig? Wow. I know my... winner.

Who's your winner? My winner is The Hunting Wight. Yeah. Those wigs. Yeah. Yeah. And they were doing so much and none of them fell off. Well, the story behind those wigs is also crazy.

Yeah, wasn't it like she was supposed to have a different one and it like didn't get made in time or something? Like they fully, I'm fairly certain, don't quote me on this, but I think like Malin Ackerman's wig was like something happened where they had to like fully just order her a wig from Amazon. And I think it was. Amazon. Yeah, I think it was just like a wig you could just buy, you know, like, wow. I think that they then had to get her a different wig, which is why she had that kind of hairstyle. When she, when they went to politics. Yeah. Yeah. She got a better wig. It's crazy because I do feel like the bad wig is the magic of the show. Like, I don't know if the show would have hit for me if the wig wasn't what it was. Totally. Yeah. Do you think they'll do wig

season two? You know, it kind of did become such like a element. of this show. They're crazy wigs, but I don't know. I was on a show where we also had bad wigs the first season. And my character, it's the show Loso Spookies, one of the best shows on HBO. Everyone should go watch it. But my character was not supposed to have bangs, but we were in like a wig pickle. And the best we could do was like lob bangs into this wig.

and then we had to like remark on it because it was like a shift like in hunting wives. And I always like that because you know that that's not scripted. Did it make you want to get bangs or were you like? No, I mean, no. It was like the wig was honestly so bad that I was. And it was funny, but the wig was so bad. And when you're in such a bad wig, you are a little distracted. You are kind of like I have this really crazy mop on my head.

It's hot. It's hot. And like if it doesn't fit your head, like right or if it's too tight I don't know Itchy Yeah itchy Yeah

All right well the next The next category Best TV show or film Your boyfriend's co-worker told you about that you never plan on watching but have heard good things We have one battle after another And or slow horses and Marty Supreme

You have seen all Yes Yeah You know I have often wondered what slow horses is about Because I always see it Okay And I hear you're a big fan I'm the only like non-septogenarian

that watches slow horses. That's a woman. Like, everyone that I know that watches slow horses is my dad, he's 80, and my father-in-law, he's 77. Gary Oldman, is it?

Yeah, King. Absolutely, addicted to Gary Oldman. He can absolutely break me in half. Love him. Him in true romance. Yeah, come on. I mean, him in...

Pretty much anything. One of my favorite films of all time, Fifth Element. Ooh. He's so good. Okay, what is Slow Horse is about? It's about a reject division of MI6. Oh.

That sounds awesome. I feel like I'd be into that. You would. And it's, and, you know, it's like them solving global terror. Oh. Do you feel like their marketing team just, like, wasn't that good or something? Why do I feel like it's? So it's based on a book series.

Okay. And I think that as are a lot of programs on Apple TV, I don't think Apple TV necessarily does, like, the best marketing. Yeah. I would say. We're Apple. You're going to watch it or not watch it, whatever. The thing about Apple is like, guess what? It's on all of your devices.

And it's like, you see it. But I feel like they only really did really strong marketing for like severance and like F1. Like I don't know. I don't feel like they, I feel like they don't even really push morning show that hard. Which is crazy. No, they really don't anymore. Yeah. Oh, wait.

But to answer the question, I would actually say Andor. Yeah. People like really geeky for Andor. and that's very boy. And, like, that would be the kind of thing where your boyfriend's from would be like, it's about, it's like actually really about politics and regime change. And, like, and you're like, okay.

That's cool. Yeah. I really loved when they went, pio, pew, pew. Yeah. And I thought that was and or. And or. Could be a great show. The dash.

All right. The next category is best homerotic subtext. First up, we have Dr. Robbie and the Mouse Boy from the Pit. We have Bronwyn and Whitney from the Real House. as Salt Lake City. We have the hockey sticks from heated rivalry. And we have the gay hive mind people in Pluribus. Hockey sticks. Hockey sticks.

I think I'm going to go with housewives. Yeah, just because I don't. They're kissing there. They're kissing and I know a little bit about Bronwyn. And is that Whitney Rose? Yes, Whitney Wild Rose. So people have told me that I kind of look like her, which I think is really bizarre.

Because I personally don't see it. You have a blonde bob. I've had multiple people DM me being like you look so much like Whitney Rose do a Whitney Rose like character video and I'm like I don't see it but but I do agree that they have the best homerotic subtext. Great. All right. Best movie that's not from this year but I've just been thinking about it. My cousin Vinnie, Mean Girls, Sister Act and Sister Act. My cousin Vinny.

I'm going to actually go Sister Act. One? One. Okay. Yeah. Whoopi was great. Whatby is great. Sister Act 1.

It's a special film. Isn't that if you want to be somebody? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean. Oh, she can sing. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm Shirley Temple. She can do everything.

I'm like, where are you my mother? Yeah, Sister Act. I've been thinking about that movie quite a bit. Yeah. Lauren Hill. Lauren Hill's in Sister Act. Two. Yeah.

Wait, what happens into a... She's a teacher? Whoopey? Two, she's at a school And then Lauren Hill is a student I feel like they're trying to save the school I don't remember Wait, but what happens in one?

One is she goes to the church Because she like witnessed a murder or something Right, in like Las Vegas Okay, so I'm thinking of two Yeah, the correct answer was two Yeah Not that this is, I mean, yeah I'm thinking of when they

When they perform When they compete and they perform Yeah, you down with GOD Yeah, you know me Yeah, okay, that's two Yes, it's true, yes, This track two. Yes.

Everyone watched six, track two. Those were all the categories is not us. Okay. Okay. We had the Winter Olympics coming up and I hear

you can't wait. I can't wait. Can you explain curling to me? Sure. I mean, I don't really know the rules but I can like explain the concept. Oh, I know the concept. I'm just not sure the rules.

Well, I know that there is the thrower and the sweeper, right? Like the guy that's like, that makes, I think it's just how, I think the rules are this. Toss that disc, honey.

You know, I think the rules are, I think the rules are, let's see how far you can, you can glide this disc. And since you are Shirley Temple, what sport would you play if you were an Olympian? As Shirley Temple or like, okay, the Shirley Temple side of me, obviously it would be figure skating. Yes, obviously. Like, that's number one. But like the real, the real me, no, like the athlete in me. me, I'd probably want to do like downhill ski racing.

I've always wondered like how do you practice, you know, the big ski jump or they, how do you, it's like, I've always wondered like the first time you put those skis on there, you just go down the big hill and fly. I mean, they practice and first you like practice jumping into like pits of foam. Oh. And then you jump into like a pool. That's a whole other thing. And then you slowly build your way up. to jumping off that big, big swoopy, snowy mass. Have you ever been to the Olympics?

I have not ever been to the Olympics. I've gone to World Cups for ski racing. My family is really big in skiing and the ski community. So I've watched. Mogul's or slalom? Like, what is my? My cousins were ski racers and they were slalom skiers and giant slalom skiers. Not moguls.

My aunt is. a really good mogul skier. My little cousin Tyler, he's like a freestyle skier right now. You know, they're all just like crazy ski, ski people. I love to ski, but I love to do like, ooh, woo, you know, I don't want to get injured. My husband tried to kill me last year skiing. Yeah, tried to kill me. Took me on a kitty trail and turned out. Are you guys competitive, you and your husband? In what capacity? Any. Sure. Yeah. I definitely like when we go to Barry's boot camp, I'm checking what weights he's grabbing, you know? You're checking his form.

I'm checking his form. I'm pushing him. Okay. I'm saying it's game season, sweetie. You're saying you're sweating. I'm saying creatine gummies don't cut it. I'm saying you got to be drinking that powder. I drink the powder.

Period. I hear it's good for my brain. And that's why you're running half naked. Exactly. I haven't run a lot. And that's why you're running half naked. Yeah, I would love to, I would love to fly. Actually, you know what I would be? If I was totally psychotic, I would,

do skull sculling. That's what I would do. What is that? That is when you are face down, head first on a sled. It's crazy. They're like bobsled not dangerous enough. Yeah. Yeah.

No, just a tiny sled. Go face first. Yeah. But you get to wear a helmet. Yeah. How do you steer? You have, I believe you have like two. I think you are holding on to like either side.

You should look up videos. It's crazy. Bob sledding also would be really cool. Well, cool runnings. Yeah. Great movie. Yeah. Yeah.

RIP, John Candy. Yeah. So, and then there are so many other winter sports that I'm probably not thinking of. Are you, your winter over summer? No, I'm summer over winter. For sure. Does tennis? Gymnastics.

Gymnasse. Well, tennis is my favorite sport of all time. I'm really, okay, if anyone's listening to this, like, I need to be a correspondent. Get me to Rome. okay, that's where I need to go. I can be like an American correspondent. I can talk for a brand. Like I'll talk for truly like the green ball.

Like I don't care, you know? Can you give us like your best like whisper, tennis commentator, you know? Well, they don't really whisper. It's not golf. They don't whisper at all? No. Isn't, aren't you supposed to be quiet? Yeah, you are quiet like when they're playing the point or like, you know.

But not even when they're playing the point. You're really just quiet when they serve. Oh. And then you're watching the play. You go, oh, ha, ha, ha. It is, yeah, it is reactive. Yeah. No, summer is my favorite because I love track and field.

Yes. Nick was the state champion. Wow, you were? Of Wisconsin. Wow. For what? Four and eight. Wow.

My goodness. Yeah. Well, you have had Matt Rogers on this show. Yeah. And you know, also an incredibly fast. They raced after in Nick won. Wait, do you guys race after? Wait, you guys should race.

Wait, you really should race. That'll be the promo is Nick and Matt racing. Who's your favorite runner? It used to be, I did meet Carl Lewis on my season of The Bachelor. That was pretty cool. Michael Johnson probably back in the day was I was probably the biggest fan of. Yeah, I really love watching Tracking Fields. Yeah.

It's really fun. Fun fact, Michael Johnson, when he won the gold in the 400, his heart rate, I heard, was lower after he finished the race than before he started. Wow. That's cool. That's crazy. Isn't that crazy? I don't know if that's true.

I just heard it. It sounded really cool. Maybe I'm just passing along fake knowledge. But it just spoke to like how well, like it was more like he was more nervous. Right. And his anxiety, like his heart rate was up. But because he's so in shape, he just calmed down. I love it.

What sports would you guys do if you had to be in the Olympics? I mean, I dreamed about being in track and field Olympian back in the day. Is this like if we had the capabilities or like where I'm at right now? No. We're a spectator. Yeah, I was expecting her ticket holder. Yes. If I could have any skill, it would be gymnastics for sure.

Yeah. Like the uneven bars? Yeah. Nuts. Yeah. Basketball all the way. Okay. Yeah.

I like that. I would love to just be around the women of the WNBA. I could picture you win mill dunk. Yeah. I feel like I would be a good point guard, you know. Trust me with a little assist. Get someone else to dunk it. Easy Peezy.

I think gold medal for me easily. I'd probably be like horseback riding. Beautiful. We love the equestrians. Love the equestrians. Do you think they'll ever do the sport where you know the, what's the sport where the people hold the toy horses? Do you ever see those? Yeah.

And they hop over the fences with the. Yeah. Isn't it like hobby horses? Yes. Yeah. No. I don't think I'm super into watching those clips. It's fun.

I think after the break dancing, they're like, oh, that's still the best thing that ever happened. That was crazy. That was really crazy. I think I'm also really fascinated by the archery in Summer Olympics and how badass all of those, what is it called? It's guns, but. Oh, the shooting. The shooting.

Yeah, when they combine things like skiing and shooting or archery. Oh, that's called, what is that called? That's called a biathlon. A biathlon. That's the name of it? The combination of it? The combination of cross-country skiing and rifle shooting at the Winter Olympics is called biathlon. Yeah.

So they have to ski, stay up, right? And then also hold a gun the entire time and shoot. Well, I think it's just about, like, being, like, really tired and breathing and then having to, like, calm yourself and aim. Because it's cross-country skiing, so you're not, like, necessarily going fast. You're just, like, on skis, like, moving through relatively flat terrain. Okay. But it's very, yeah, exhausting. Speed skating.

Nick was on Special Forces with Bodie Miller. Wow. There you go. So you're also basically... A Donald's killer. Yes. I think I could be making this up, but I think in one race, he was going so fast and he like skied over a fence, like a plastic fence, like melted the plastic. He's amazing.

I just saw his wife Morgan post when he like, yeah, lost one ski and then finished with one. I'm very excited to watch Lindsay. Yvonne come, like a crazy comeback. She's going to be competing in the Olympics. Oh, she? Yeah. It's wild. I mean, 40 years old. But I think the thing that's crazy is like, skiing is such a hard sport. And like, I don't know, like anything. When you, like, you have a prime and then you get injured and injured, injured, injured, and then you, like, have surgery and then you come back. It's like crazy to be making a comeback and to even qualify to be in the Olympics. Do you know what Jake Paul's fiancé is?

Speed skater. She's a speed skater. She is? Yeah, she's just the big, long. Long track. And then there's, and then there's, um, then there's, um, then there's, uh, that golfer who's married to, uh, pull Walter. Your brain, you have a lot of knowledge in there.

Of bullshit? I was like crazy. Ricky Fowler. Yeah, Ricky Fowler. His wife is a pole Walter. Yeah. Yeah. I know a bunch of random bullshit. Like, I can list you all of the names of Gwen Stefani's children. It's like, why do I know that? Terrible. It's like just takes, if you quizzed me on celebrity children's names, I would know them. Wow. And that's upsetting. How do you feel like you would do on Jeopardy? Great. Yeah. Pop culture Jeopardy. No, regular Jeopardy. My problem, though, is it's like, I think the trigger, like, you know, and then I always need to say,

what is, that would fuck me up. Yeah. I'm not very good. Like, I, under that pressure, I'm not, I don't know. Well, before you let go, you are a true crime fan. I am. Yeah, and she do it? Karen Reid.

Wait, hold on, I am a true, wait, which is, which one is Karen Reid? Hit the cop. Airsted by a cop. Boyfriend. Oh, right, right, right. Out front and the taillight and the da, da, da, da. Was it the corrupt Boston police or was it? Karen Reid backed into him with the broken tail light.

Oh, I think it was the police. least. 100 p. All the texts are coming out now. Yeah. Yeah. Also, didn't they say that it was like impossible that she would have killed him? At that, yeah.

Yeah. Like, yeah. Do you have like a favorite true crime case you're currently following? Well, I'm listening to this podcast. Why am I? Now I'm like blanking on what it's called. See, this is why I would not be good. You know?

Well, it's like every episode is a different like scammer, basically. Oh. And I just was like listening to one episode about this guy who was scamming a bunch of people out of their money and like owned like wedding venues and things of that sort. I was like kind of on the run, went by a million different people's names. This anyway, started companies. I'm like really, I'm in a scammer mode right now. I did just watch bad influencer the newest. I've heard that it was like a hard watch.

Did you find that? Well, it's just, I mean, I watched the other one about Ruby Frankie. Ruby Frankie. Oh, yeah. And then now this is about like her co. Yeah, the co-conspirator of that. And like, it's, to me, they're just so sick, like, both of them that it's not enjoyable. I mean, not that any of the true crime stuff is necessarily enjoyable.

But like. Some of them are darker than others. Yeah. Some of it makes you feel like really. Yeah. Especially the- Like when kids are involved. Yeah, the stuff dealing with kids.

And like just, yeah, that's terrible. But I think we're all also fascinated, obviously, because it's like a whole different psychology of a really fucked up person. I don't know. Not great. Not great. Not good. Really bad. I also listen to you, have you listened to this podcast, Unicorn Girl?

Another scammer podcast. But this one, this chika mama was crazy. She was like, you know when people lie, but then because they're lying, they get the thing that they're lying about? Do you know what I mean? Like if I was like, yeah, I'm going to, I have this. I have these brown painted cowboy boots. I have these brown painting cowboy boots, even though I don't. But then like I somehow end up getting the brown painted cowboy boots.

Do you know, do you get what I'm saying about that? Manifest it? I guess manifest it. But, like, that's a bad example. The Cowboy Boots didn't work. Basically, she was like, I have government contracts. She was like, I have CIA defense government contracts. This is a whole other thing.

And then people start sending her stuff. Yeah. And then she, like, ended up having, like, seven, like, former black ops people, like, on this project with her. Her whole thing was, like, getting women out of sex trafficking situations. That's, like, the girl who made her Finsta account, like, a cake baking. And then she started having to, like, bake actual cakes because she started getting orders. Yeah. Or, yeah.

Wasn't there, like, someone who, like, pretended to be a nurse? nurse forever and she was like treating patients. Oh yeah. Like a nurse. This is that woman. Okay. She, she,

she's still in business. She was a nurse. And then she like started this, she wanted to get women out of sex trafficking or done and just like being trafficked. And then she went to like help women escape the Taliban. It's all fucking crazy. If you want to listen to something that you're listening to it and you're kind of like, what are you talking about? It's that.

another good true crime. Well, thanks for coming. This has been so much fun. Thanks for having me. It's, it's, I, yeah. Thanks for talking about us. I said, thanks for gabbing with us. Yeah, I hope, um, we all learned something today.

I definitely learned. I think's gonna learn how to watch a movie like a big boy. Yeah, you need to, like, lock in and watch it. You also need to go see Marty Supreme. That's so boy. Did you watch any other movies? Did you watch any of the other movies that were nominated? You definitely didn't watch sentimental vows.

you. You definitely didn't watch Hamnet. Now you're just being mean. Yeah, I am. I'm motivated. No other choice. You should go watch that. Okay.

What else was nominated? Kate Hudson and Song Tongue Blue. I did see that movie. I love that movie that rocked. Also, the Secret Agent, the Wagner Moira movie, who won last night. I got a lot of homework. A lot of homework.

Get ready. Get on it. Are you touring? Oh my God, yes. Wait, when is this coming out? Tomorrow. Oh, okay. Great.

you're in San Francisco. I'm going to be there for San Francisco Comedy Festival. And I'm going to be performing on the 23rd of January. Where can people find tickets? People can find tickets absolutely on my website. We will put that link in the show description. So people can easily find it. You should really come. It's going to be so fab. And I'm even more gorgeous in person. It's true. Grida settlement, everybody. Yay. Thank you. So fun. The amazing great of titleman Everybody Very funny.

Love her. Paul Knowledge. I do feel representative of someone that like knows a bunch of random things when there's someone else that like knows a bunch of random things. Also I mean this as a compliment

but I see the Whitney Rose comparison. I didn't think it until she brought it up and I see it. I mean it's in the bob and the eyes. No, that's like the internet saying any guy with curly hair in a couple stubbles on his face looks like me. Any brunette.

Were they wrong? I mean. Yeah. I mean in the way that like, it's just like, oh, my boyfriend looks just like you and they send me a picture. It's like a person with, it's a guy with curly hair. That's true. It's never a compliment when someone says you look like this person. That's true.

But I mean it as a compliment, I see the Whitney Rose. I guess. I mean, both wonderfully looking people. I just like want, they have. They have two different faces. They have different faces. Isn't Greta's so funny. You guys should like go.

Go check out our show description. She is performing in San Francisco. I'm going to link your website. Yeah. All right, Traders. We got Rob C joining us just in a moment. But before we get to Rob, it's a good season. I'm loving every minute of this show.

Yeah. We are back. Rob. Sexy Rob. Sexy Rob. Everyone on Traders is so good. But yes, sexy Rob.

I do fear I am team traders. I'm team turret this season. Candice, like give it to me. No one's suspecting them at all. No? I think Candace kind of seems like she would be the most obvious, but that's kind of a why I liked the fact that they added in like the secret trader

because it's like it kind of humbled the audience a little bit, even though I think a lot of people did suspect Mama Kelsey. I'm shocked that- I'm kind of glad she was gone soon. What? Sorry. Shame on you. Everyone was going to be scared of voting her off because of the Swifties.

So it's nice that she got her moment. She got her moment. I've had the flu, so I haven't really looked. But what have the Swiftie said? I mean, I think the Swifties get it. I think it was nice that she had her special moment as the secret trader. I've been on Rob is so hot side of traitors Twitter. Not we're mad at, we're mad about Donna side of Swifty Twitter.

I kind of think the Swifty is like, we're like, we're like, oh, we can't do what they think we're going to do. We're like, all right. We're elegant. We're classy. Yeah. Let's treat people with kindness. It's their queen's mother-in-law. I can't believe Portia.

I know. Got kind of. bamboozled by Candace. She got Dorinda. She caught her in a flat lie. Impressed by that lie. The way that Candice did not hesitate, she's like, oh, you must have misheard me.

I didn't say today. I didn't say today. I rewinded and she did. Yesterday you were talking about the thing that we did today. Also, Maura Higgins going, I don't recall that. She got saved by Mora not remembering it. She did.

If Mora and Moore's like, I don't even remember what I had for breakfast. It's like, how is your memory that bad. Like y'all all had a discussion. Y'all all had visceral reactions to Michael allegedly saying get the housewife. It was true gaslighting because you and Porsche was like, I don't know, maybe I'm a hurt her. It's also why Candace is such a queen on Potomac. I'm like the way that she can backtrack and then make you feel crazy. No, and then Portia like, what's her heart? I love her. Honestly, she's too smart for the cast because the fact that she said there's four traders and nobody knew that. And people think

she's just slipped up. I don't think she slipped up. I think she's smart. That was a crazy thing to say, though. It was. Portia has had the potential of being like the Gabby Wendy of the season where everyone would have underestimated her, but she was right. I don't, well, I don't think anyone underestimated her. I think the thing that was so great about Gabby was that she could really hold her own at the round table.

And I felt like Porsche's argument just like wasn't as good as it could have been. She didn't get a chance to cook. Like if you guys know, she would have gone for the jugular with everybody, but she was choosing peace and then they took advantage of her piece. Sometimes you have to warm up. And I think early on, I feel like most people are just. like don't yeah don't say too much don't do too much don't be michael rapporte in this moment yeah i'm enjoying michael i know he's pissing everyone off but like you need that the editors knew what they

were doing what like showing him shoveling that food into his mouth like they're just like just so you know when he's like i'm the greatest looking guy my favorite part of michael rapporte on traitors is that video of him getting thrown a snowball thrown out i'm going violer again it always makes me laugh it's so silly. Well, we do have Rob C, a survivor legend, and unfortunately an early faithful exit joining us to talk all about traitors, what he thinks about his cast, why he thinks he got murdered, and so much more. This episode is sponsored by Better Help. The new year doesn't require a new you, maybe just a less burden one. Therapy can easily identify what weighs you down, holds you back by offering an unbiased perspective to better understand your relationships, motivations, and emotions.

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H-E-L-P-L-H-E-L-L-R. Rob, welcome to the show. Wow, what an honor. So excited to be here. Thanks for having me. We are honored to have you. We are super bummed to See you go. You know, one of our household member, Zach, who works for us. The greatest. Was incredibly excited that you got casted and was talking about how well he thought you were going to do. And obviously, we're super bummed. But, you know, as this show goes, you just so much is out of your control.

And it really seems like now that we're in the, it's the fourth season, yeah, we're right? I feel like the rest of the non-gamerers, so to speak, have caught on. to the fact that you guys are really good at this. And I clearly... Not that good, Nick. I'm here. Sure, but like early on, you know, it's just like, you know, you kind of just kind of, you know, like Wells last year.

I mean, it's like, what are you going to, you know, someone's got to go. And then like when it seems like when people just like get a name in their mouth, it's like, as long as it's not me, people will vote for that person. But your case is particularly interesting because you got murdered in plain sight. and at least from what we saw, it sure seemed like you were kind of on them when it was happening. I don't know if that was this clever editing,

but can you just kind of walk us through your murder? And did you see it coming? How close were you to maybe catching them red-handed? And I just want to get your thoughts and feelings on the whole thing. I'm at the castle. And it's a sad night because Portia just got banished. And I just felt like, wow, This night is a very long night.

I'm ready to go to bed. And it just was an endless night. And I just realized, oh, my God, what if the traders are up to something tonight? Because there typically is a murder in plain sight early on in the season. And so I'm sort of like looking around and then a freaking conga line breaks out. And it was not the kind of night where it was like, hey, we're partying. Let's have a conglite. It seemed very out of the ordinary.

So I went and ducked into a room to go hide, which I think anytime you're at a party and a conga line breaks out, go hide. That is, I think the... I honestly want nothing to do with the Congo line period. You don't want anything to do with... Especially, you don't want to be on TV doing a conga line. No. And I went into the other room and that I felt very close with Tiffany, who I told about it. And I felt very close with Candice and Mark.

And I wanted to warn them like, hey, I think the traders are up to something. And then I hadn't remember Candice had mentioned earlier that this was not the first time she mentioned a conga line. And I said, oh, wait, but you were the one that started the conga line. And I felt like, oh, maybe I shouldn't have said that. And I didn't know if that was going to come back to. I think ultimately, she never got back together with the other traders. so it didn't ultimately come back to bite me. But I did have a moment where I was like, ooh, I might have put my foot in my mouth.

Yeah. I was going to ask you if you felt it was coincidence or like you slipped up and maybe you shouldn't have told them that you thought. I don't think I should have told Candace, but I really felt good about her. She was somebody that I had been working with, but I wasn't trying to go to Candace and be confrontational with her. And I mean, could you imagine had Rob R not picked me to be the person to be murder and playing site? Like, I think it would have been a big problem for the traders had I been there the next day. Did you feel like him and Renna playing chess was odd too, or did that feel normal?

You know, Rob R played chess with so many people in the castle. I did not think it was specifically weird that he, I had seen him in that same seat with multiple people over the last couple of days. So it didn't seem like it was too out of the ordinary. for me. Rob, uh, Rob, uh, Rob, our's plan clearly is kind of play that quiet, cool, good looking guy. He seems really good at it. We, we got to watch. That's what I was going to do. Equally handsome. But, um, we got to see him obviously as he'd in six and, and also interview him a while back, but he's clearly no dummy, but he knows how to play that kind of like, oh, shucks. I'm just,

I don't, all I, all I know how to do is be good looking. And it really seems to be working for him. and he really seems like an ideal traitor. Do you, I mean, were you shocked whenever you found out that he was a traitor? What was your reaction? I really was surprised. And I want to give him credit because I think he's done a really good job so far because I did not think that he was playing the game like that. He seemed kind of like he didn't really care about anything.

He was eating Oreos and looking for drinks and like hitting the fridge constantly. he did not look to me as somebody who really was very focused on the game. So he's got a really good cover going on right now. What are your thoughts on Michael Rappaport and is he playing poorly or well?

Are you fucking kidding me? Are Michael Rappaport playing a good game or what? Michael Rappaport has does this guy know how to get screen time or what? He's a performer. Michael Rappaport not he's hijacked the whole

show. I had said instantly from the time that he first started getting all worked up, like, this is not a traitor. No trader would act like this. And there were people, he was just so all over the place that I think people were like, oh, well, that obviously he's throwing names out. He must be a traitor. And I couldn't get any traction in people thinking, like, there's no traitor who would ever act like this. And so clearly, he's, He is not a traitor. And I had floated this. I had said this to Lisa Rina.

I said, Lisa, you know him. Like, this is how he is, right? She's like, no, no, no, no. He's an actor. He's a very good actor. I said, Lisa, is he a 24-7 method actor when the cameras aren't even on? Because this is how he is all the time. This is how he is on his Instagram stories.

Yeah. This is Michael Rappaport all the time. So I did not feel like that he was a traitor, but I think that the traders really liked having him as a distraction. And I think that me talking him up as, I thought he was a very bad faithful who needed to go home. But I think that they didn't like that I was, you know,

making some sense with that. Who were you suspecting to be a traitor out of your castmates? So I had thought that first of up, I thought Dorinda was a traitor because I thought it made sense that they brought her back and maybe wanted her to be safe. And she was so calm. Last season, remember when she got on the list to be murdered?

And then they didn't save dinner for her. And she went after Bob the Drag Queen and went crazy. And then this time, she was marked for murder and she was so calm. I thought, what gives since when is Dorinda this Zen? And I thought that that was suspicious. I had also thought that Jam was somebody. who I thought, I did not think that they would do a season with no gamers in the turret. And of the people that were from the CBS reality shows, I thought that he was the person who would be most likely

to be a traitor. Well, speaking of that, to your point, there are no gamers in the turret. And I am curious, you know, what, how do you think that will play out? Because it's certainly an interesting choice by the producers. Yeah. And so far, it seems to be working because I feel like a lot of the cast is, you know, Like Michael Rapaport said, it's got to be a housewife, it's or got to be a gamer, it's got to be one of them. And it's certainly not a gamer. And everyone seems to be like hunting all the gamers to just find one of them. And it really seems to be tricking everybody. So while it did not personally benefit me, I think overall for the health of the show and for the franchise, I think it was a smart decision to do a season where you don't have gamers in the turret.

because even though I would tell Michael Rappaport, hey, look, maybe they have no people from Survivor or Big Brother in the turret this season. I didn't really believe it. But they did it this season. And so now for future seasons of the traitors that I died so that my future survivor players can live. Of course. Donna Kelsey, obviously, she came on the show with a lot of fanfare and excitement. And she was the secret trader, which, you know, it makes so much sense.

why they picked her, but it clearly backfired because, you know, was she giving herself away or was it simply based off the idea that she would make the perfect trader because no one would just, quote unquote, suspect her or have the guts to vote for her? So did the group get together and say, you know what? This is our best shot. It's the most common sense, you know, person. Or did Donna give herself away in any way? Nick, can it be all the above? because I feel like that Donna did not take to being a traitor in that way, where I think that Donna, as a faithful, I think she really could have made some relationships,

but I don't get the sense that she really wanted to be a traitor. And then so she ends up getting the secret trader card. And so she's sort of like thrust into this role. And I think she was just very uncomfortable. And she really only had close relationships with Ron Funches and Michael Rappaport. And so she was really having a hard time fitting in with the group. So she's already kind of disconnected. And I just don't know if she's a traitor at heart.

And so I just felt like that people were able to assess that her energy was just very off. And also, what a great story to make Donna Kelsey one of the traitors. I felt like it kind of isolated her even more to make her the secret traitor. Because if she was one of the traitor, she would have at least had some alliance. But no one knew, you know, so just like no one was there to help her. She had no support system. Yeah, that's a great point. She kept saying she was fans of anyone.

I was curious, did anyone like quiz her be like, oh, really? What season was I on? Yeah. Yeah. She seemed like she was really into Big Brother, I feel like. Back to Candace's big lie. I was, I'm always impressed with someone who can just lie that quickly without any kind of thought. But she really seemed to put her foot in her mouth when she attacked Michael and made up that lie,

which almost, which seemed really silly because it's like, you don't think someone's going to like notice that Michael didn't actually say that. But it really clearly affected Porsche and more than it affected Candace. What was your awareness of that lie and how much speculation? Because from our point of view, it didn't seem like Candace caught any heat from that lie. She quickly turned it. She quickly denied it. No one was like, wait, why? Are you sure?

Are you sure she didn't say that? But like, it was shocking that saying something and doing something that foolish didn't seem to in any way put a target on her back. So there's so much going on. And Michael Rappaport is saying so much. And that he did start off by saying, hey, there's five fucking housewives. Oh, there's got to be a traitor there. I'm not a math guy, but that's a traitor.

So there was that. And then he got misquoted of that he said, put it in a housewife's grave. So I think that Candice was talking about all those things. I think as a traitor. And Candice, I think, has been so fun to watch so far. But she's trying to, I think, hype up Michael Rappaport is a traitor. And so she was throwing a lot out there. and, you know, good on Portia for trying to go back to the source and find out if he really said that.

But in the moment in that room, it felt like that Michael Rappaport was lying more so than Candace had been caught in a lie. Interesting. Interesting. Who do you think are some of the stronger players from, you know, that you got to know, obviously we're speaking in the context of no spoilers or anything like that? But from when you left, who did you think were some of the stronger players that you think could go the distance? So from my perspective, leaving the castle, Tiffany from Big Brother was somebody who I really felt very good with. I thought that she was somebody who was a great strategist on her season and somebody that I felt like that we were really starting to get somewhere. Monet is another person who is just super smart, has all of these different great relationships with people. and I felt like that Monet could figure things out.

And I really had hit it off with Mark Ballas. And he's somebody who I think people were very unsuspecting of, but somebody who was a really big fan of these shows and with somebody who I think people were sleeping on. Back to Michael Rapaport and Candace. And I just had this thought as you were speaking. Wouldn't it make sense for the traders to protect Michael because he is such a distraction?

And he's offering them so much cover. So if I'm a traitor, he's getting all this attention. I would want to keep Michael around as long as possible because as long as Michael keeps yapping and pointing fingers, he's just creating so much confusion that no one can really, to your point, focus on who really is a traitor. To me, I just thought for the faithful, it was such a win-win to get rid of Michael Rappaport. If you think he's a traitor, fine, he's not. But he was holding us back from having any sort of productive conversations. but the traitors loved Michael Rappaport. They wanted to keep him in there because as long as Michael Rappaport was in the game,

that the faithful are going to keep chasing their tails. So that he has been really a secret trader in his own way because he's helping the faithful from ever figuring out what they actually should be going for. Just a random question. What was the temperature there while you were filming? Because sometimes it looks like, you know, they should be freezing in the water. Sometimes you guys are dressed up quite warm. Such a good question.

What was it? Johnny Weir fell in the lake. And I was like, oh, my God, he's in hypothermia. And then he seemed fine. Nick, I'm sure one day you will be able to tell us what the weather is like in Scotland. But it changes like on a dime. So the sun could be out. Then the clouds come in.

And then it's freezing. And also in the castle sometimes there's rooms where it's just super hot. And it's like, oh, my God. I'm like sweating in here. So it is very hard to keep a consistent temperature at any point in the traders. Okay. What are your predictions, Rob, going forward? Do you think it's going to be a trader's game or do you think the faithful will overcome?

You know, the faithful did get out a trader at the last roundtable that we saw. But honestly, I feel like that Candace was the most effective trader hunter, where I feel like that she was, from my perspective, at the roundtable, we're done. Donna almost went home, leading the charge against Donna. And then finally, it's so funny to see a trader really leading the discussion of, hey, let's get this other person out who she doesn't know for sure is the secret trader. I want to see if the faithful can counterpunch because I think in this season, we have really, really smart and effective traders right now.

I don't really see a hole with the traders. And sometimes you have a trader that's like really the weak. link, I don't see that so far with these three traders that they picked. Yeah, and they're really working together. Um, you know, for example, like Candace didn't know that they killed you. And you could see a world where Candace could have taken that personally. She could have been like, why didn't you include me? You know, it's good for them. Yeah, yeah, but like, good for them for, you know, working as a team because, and they, they seem to clearly learn that from last season where there was so much confrontation between the traders early on. And Lisa Rina has been,

such a revelation as a traitor also that this is a role that she was born for and she's also been so fun in the turret. Rob, can't thank you enough for taking the time. You got your own show as well that people enjoy listening to you. Can you plug your stuff before we let you go? Yeah, thank you so much, Nick. And I'm talking about all these competition shows over on Rob as a podcast, R-H-A-P, wherever you listen to podcasts.

All right, Rob, see you go, man. but we'll be enjoying the rest of this season. Traders along with you the rest of the way. Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Bye. The last episode, when Rob and Mora, hot Rob and Mora, sorry, not Hot Rob, that's mean to him. He's the only Rob.

Alabama, Rob. It's not mean. I'm just kidding. You know, I wouldn't want to be on a show with somebody and then be referred to as the other. I like to think that I can be easy on the eyes, but if I were on this season with sexy Rob, I would, you know, the guy is... If it was you and Nick from Love Island, it's gorgeous.

Just because we know something to be true doesn't make it feel of you better. If I was on a show with Sierra Miller and she was the hot Sierra, I can't take it personally, but I'm going to take it kind of personally. Some people are just so hot. I know, but I was going to say,

A, one thing about him is hot that I'm like, I didn't realize that his mind worked so strategically. See, now that sounds me. Yeah. But as I'm saying, I'm like, that's what's making him so much more attractive.

to me. He ended, no, on Love Island. He, you knew he was, you know, he was a sharp guy. He was He was jumping into pools and throwing Taylor. I didn't watch that season of Love Island. So this is the first Rob I'm getting. He's also, like, funny when he was like, and I haven't even made out with someone yet. Yeah. I thought he was very self-aware of his, like, persona and he was going in there to, like, really be on traitors and the fact that he's a traitor is. I was going to say, Rob's, like, the Leo of Love Island, because all we know is that everybody finds you palatable and hot. But, like, we didn't know anything else about him besides he hunts snakes. Like this is the first time that I'm like seeing, oh, the wheels turning. And I'm like, this is in a PR machine behind him. This is you.

He also might be one of the most seemingly. I don't, I don't know Rob that well, but secure hot people. Because most real hot people aren't very secure because like their whole identities wrapped up in their hotness. Right. But he also has snakes. He also doesn't seem to like care about being hot. Not at all. I think it's just like an added bonus for him. He happens to be hot. I'd rather be in a marsh somewhere catching some snakes and amphibians and things. Yeah.

So anyway. But my point is that. The other Rob. When Rob and Mora coupled up for the last challenge, the way that I want that to happen so badly. I don't know. I felt like when she was like, you're going to do everything. I'm not going to do anything. You're going to do that.

I'm not going to do this. He was kind of like, okay. It's probably not his type. You know, he was like, ugh. Not a team player. But Sarah, you're on it because he was like grabbing her. They were hugging each other, holding hands. He like picked her up.

I was like, oh, that's... They were walking to the challenge. He had his arm over her and I was like, oh, my God. He thought they were still in that villa. Yeah. It was definitely a big L for New York instincts from Michael Rat Report. He really leaned on his street cred and was... He had me convinced that Jam Jam was a traitor.

Oh, not that. Jam Jam. I wasn't convinced that. Jam Jam was a traitor, but I was like, he has to be a traitor is where I was going. No, but like, yeah, Michael just kept referring to his street instincts and way off. I feel like they're not going to think he's a traitor, but they're just going to vote him off because they're like, we're tired of him yelling all the time. So let's just vote him out. I saw a tweet that said Michael Rappaport is making me miss Danielle from last season.

And I was like, oh. Yeah. I think he's funny. I think he's good on television. I think he's, yeah, but I just think they, every time. time he's yelling, I always feel like, like Caroline Stansbury and Mara, they're all like, okay, stop talking, shut up. Mara and Caroline Stamber just cannot with Michael. Caroline Stamary not being able to fuck with him is awesome. The Queen of etiquette. Yeah, she's like,

here we go again. Like, the Queen of etiquette compared to a guy who has maybe no manners. Yeah. I think here's my thing with Michael. I think he needs to be gone soon because I think he's a main no, no, no, no, here's my theory. I think he's too present and he's sucking too much attention onto him. They need to get him out so we can focus on the other characters. But he's going to like create enough drama that it's going to continue him. It's a Jen Shaw type. He's like a big center of attention. We want the others to shine. Yeah, they say when you're like the cartoon character. Yeah, he's like getting all the screen time. I'm like I want to see Caroline Stanberry. I am kind of surprised that Lisa Renna is flying under the radar because I feel like

Candice said from the from the jump before she was a traitor or that she thought that Lisa Renna would have all of the makings to be a great traitor, which I also agree with. Yeah. But yet nobody's suspected her as of yet. And also, I mean, I guess to Rob's point that, like, he didn't find the chess playing that obvious because Rob did that a lot. But I guess, like, thinking, like, combining Lisa Rana was just part of the Congo line where they're like, yes, let's do it together.

That would be so fun. Congo, conga, conga. And then to have her then also Lisa's sitting and playing. And, like, the way that they were playing just felt sketchy, you know. You were watching them play chess. Tar. Wasn't Tara? Well, that's what I thought.

I thought she, like, has played chess once or twice before because it was like, you don't move like that. You don't move four ponds out. There's never going to be an explanation to show somebody that knows. The rules of chess. Any of you guys know how to play? Nope. So good. I play with Connor.

I can play. Wait, you play chess. Mm-hmm. That's hot. Thanks. Oh, more see her. I'll hear it somewhere. Okay, let's go.

But it's like, it was like that felt Lisa Rina is now tied into two separate random things that happened. Yeah, that's true. That's a good one. dancing on a table doing something. That's true. She's got a butt out. Like when Candace said being extra pays off, it's like. That's what I'm saying.

The personas of how people know them, but I'm just kind of like, I don't know if you know anything about her as like a housewife or anything. I would be like you. Me too. Yeah. All right. Well, speaking of housewives, the housewives of Beverly Hills are back on our TV screen. And I like them. I love them.

I'm enjoying this season. You know, it's why people like Kathy Hilton. Yeah. And not me. Mm-hmm. You know, because I'm the guy who would be like, yeah, I don't know. Like, you know, and she's like, I love that. That's great.

That's great. That's great. That's great. That's great. That's great. I'd have been like, you know, I don't know. I'm not sure. That's great.

I would take a page out of Kathy Elton's book, no matter what, whether it comes to entertaining or, yeah, how to not listen and not have to ask follow-up questions. Do you travel with decorative pillows? I do not. Oh, my God. The way, when she took out the pillows, that was the best thing I've ever seen. My mom loves to bring a pillow. when she's going somewhere.

It's like I respect it, but I was like... I'm never going to do it. One pillow. She pulled out two pillows and two throat pillows. She had like a whole bag just for the pillows that she was bringing to Sedona. The most insane thing I saw this episode was shipping your luggage. Yeah. And I'm trying to figure this out because then they had this scene with Bose who, like, her glam team was there.

So like clearly like the wives took a private plane. To Sedona, yeah. Make sense why like, okay, like limit like, restrictions for how much luggage they could bring but like why why didn't Rachel just like have her team bring the rest of her luggage

on like the obvious commercial flight that I'm sure they took maybe there wasn't room and she would have had maybe they did they do have a limit like you don't know the private planes have a big limit because in my head I'm like

I don't know I never I feel like it was more like Rachel didn't want to have to push her 12 suitcases onto maybe she thought it was yeah I agree with you she probably thought would be really chic to, like, show up and her luggage was waiting for her rather than

getting it off the plane. Isn't it cheaper to ship it than it is to bring it on a plane sometimes, like, depending on how many bags you have. I just don't feel like, I feel like, I've heard that. I don't think she's ever smart to ever depend on the mail service for like on time. Oh, for a travel? Arrival. Yeah. Rachel Zoe, so I'm sure she has a lot of like airline status that I'm like, she's not paying extra to ship anything. And if she is, I don't, I don't imagine she's budgeting for that. No. She doesn't, she doesn't. have to, but I'm just like, I thought one of the coolest things was just how she reacted to it. Because if that were me, I would be spiraling. If that was Doreet, imagine, the women would not be hearing

the end of it. Oh, yeah. All right, here we go. Well, she looked fab. That was the thing. She looked like she was like in American Horror Story Coven. Yeah. She just changed my jewelry. It's like you brought all of that jewelry just like in your purse. Priorities. All those necklaces? How are they not tangled? She had a big hat and sunglasses that I haven't seen look that good since like 2016. I do love that we're back to like hats shaming clothes you know like Rachel being like oh yeah wearing LV logos everywhere and it is it's like that is peak housewife but happy for her yeah yeah no it was she loves it she loves it but imagine if Rachel zoe was on d'Reed season like four seasons ago when it was like brand on brand on brand Chanel Chanel Chanel Chanel yeah yeah but i'm gonna

give duet credit there because i was like you know i would never because it was so loud but i was like There was something about just like the fashion choices that Doreet makes that I'm like you can't knock it. I think she was nailing. I'm just saying like she used to be the queen of like here's my brand. And then Amanda was just very much giving like, I bought this. And them pointing out obviously now they're like going to focus on it. But every time Amanda is like, oh yeah, I spent $10,000 on crystals one time. The one-offing is wild.

You know what that reminded me of? Like what was her name, Sierra in the sunglasses? $12,000. Oh my God. Was it Dana? Was it Dana? Dana. Yeah.

When she was like, I bought $25,000. No, she's from Beverly Hills. She bought $25,000 sunglasses. It's like season two. And all of the women were like, why are, why would you buy $25,000? And now she's infamous for the sunglasses, right? She kept just speaking like $25,000. You want to try them on?

They're $25,000. They do do gong on Amanda too much, I will say. She's new. I think she can. Like, why can't she be the manifester and the scrappier person in the group? Okay. Did anybody watch selling something? in this room? No. Okay. Well, does anybody remember Divina from selling sunset? No. Okay. So, Devina,

Amanda was actually on an season of selling sunset. She fired Divina because she didn't like where DeVina was pricing her house or whatever. And this whole exchange is quite like obnoxious. You have the, what's the blonde friend that was friends with Chris L. Mary, you have like Mary trying to facilitate this conversation. And Amanda's like reading Devina to Phil, being like, pretty much like, I just don't like how you're doing things. You're scaring me. much you're texting me, what not. So then to see her talking about this house yet again on a completely different series clearly did not sell and it wasn't Devinas fault. But yeah, I don't know. There's something about the way that her personality is coming in that I'm like, I'm not liking you.

I love Amanda. I think she's a great addition. I fuck with Amanda as well. I think she thinks she's serving more than she is, but I love it. You know? I was like when she was describing what an app does, I was like that I'm, yeah, that's great. I wonder how long she actually talked for. They made it seem like five hours. Oh, well, I'm like explaining talk to these women. We might be here for a while. Explaining tuck to me will be here for a while. She was proud of it. And then they were just like, eh, you know? Well, I bet we have a rapid recap. We do. If you miss the most recent episode of the Rojaswives of Beverly Hills. Here is your rapid recap. Sutton Got Cheese for Jennifer Tilly. She's also drinking less and planning a girl's trip to Sedona to prove she's a better person now,

mainly to Doreet. But Doreet is actually more focused on ruining P. P.K.'s life at the moment. she tells Kyle Peket is out for blood. Kyle says, weirdly enough, Mo told her the exact opposite. This means Peket must be lying, according to Doreet. Rachel Zoh is a proud boy mom at Leah. Kathy Hilton declares B. Pollan is in for 2026. And then Kathy Hilton, Jennifer Tilly and Sutton, have dinner with new girl Amanda to see if she can hang. She can, but she gets a bit too comfortable psychoanalyzing Erica Jane too fast.

And Sutton goes riba mode on her. Also, Sutton's looking hot. Rachel Zoh understands that everyone is bringing their own vibe to Sedona, fashion-wise, but also lifestyle-wise. Rachel's vibe is in fact AHS Coven and she's stuck in it after FedExing her luggage. Kathy Hilton has brought her own pillows to the hotel in Sedona

because she's an icon and a star. Sutton Soft launches rebranding as Sutton Brown. Amanda explains her job. Kyle says, I'm happy for you or sorry that happened. Erica hard launches John. Diva is cuffed.

Everybody is happy for her. I was really endearing for Erica. I wonder if they're still together. Do we know? They are. Her and Trek? Yeah. Track.

It really, I mean, you know, it really made me think about how like, you know, when someone goes through a divorce or just a really hard breakup, especially as we, you know, get older in life, how we like lower our expectations of love, you know, and just to have Erica say like, you know, it's been a fun few months. You know, it's sad sometimes as like we get older in life and like, you know, our hearts are broken and we just kind of, we kind of give up on the possibility that we can meet someone later in life and be happy. And it's, you know, it was very, heartwarming. And

Erica is someone I feel like she's always talked about feeling misunderstood and misrepresented. And, you know, many of us relate to that feeling. Well, she's currently not under fire, but the internet is ablaze talking about how she's kind of, she said something

in an interview talking about how she wants to keep the relationship private. And so then people were bringing up the fact of last reunion with Garcel, how she called Garcel Boreing because she wasn't offering anything or sharing enough about her life. Yeah. Yeah. And so now people are mad at Erica being like, well, how can you have this relationship and you refuse to share it?

And then you're not sharing all aspects of your life. I feel like she shared a lot in this most recent episode. Yeah. Well, there's a difference between, I mean, listen, they all can have an opinion of each other. But just because you don't want to share one thing. Doesn't mean you're not sharing everything. I think it's hard with Beverly Hills because obviously the critique of it is that they're not actually sharing their real lives. But I watched Salt Lake City and then I'm like, I could, could you imagine if they were.

going that hard on each other, like, how traumatized all these women would be? I feel like they used to, but I'm like, that's what I'm saying is like, I feel like people don't really give... It got darker on Beverly Hills, though. People don't really give grace for, like, what people have shared versus just like, maybe it's not this person's season or moment. I was like, Erica had her entire relationship with Tom and the everything that happened with the case after the fact, and Erica Jane as the performer going on tour with her.

Like, I mean, she shares so many aspects of her life that I'm like, if she wants to date somebody... Let her date track. Exactly. Yeah. It was also beautiful to see her sitting in front of her. of her washer and dryer with her dice and plugged in behind her doing the laundry. That was real as fuck.

So real. Asking the dogs who did this. That's the real and real housewives. Who left all the lent in the compartment? It was so real. Then we had to read showing up an hour and a half late for anything. I don't know. I just feel like it's anything, whether it's a dinner.

I mean, I couldn't imagine somebody chartering a private plane and showing up late or feeling comfortable. At that point, I'd been like, I have to deal with my kids. commercial, I'll fly out and I'll meet you guys there. An hour and a half is... Just for anything. Like, no one's holding your table. The Uber has left.

Like, I'm just like, in what world do we think it's acceptable to be an hour and a half late to anything? How much can you be late without any, like, explanation? Didn't she hold up a reunion for a couple of hours, too? Even 10 minutes. It's like, I'm like, I'm so sorry. I was caught in traffic. And then this happened.

You know, like, 10 minutes, I feel like you deserve an explanation. I'm like watching the clock and I'm texting being like, oh my God, okay, but my ETA is 802. I am so sorry. Alex Baskin said Doreet, just don't give a fuck this season. I mean, but you know what? I appreciate the energy because she is really bringing a different side to herself. And I'm really appreciating it.

Yeah, man, I love Doree. I do. I could watch just like hours of Doreet walking around not doing anything. Also, just being like, oh, oh, not Doree being like, I didn't know anything about Shrek. Like, she didn't tell me or Kyle. And then Kyle's like, I knew. I've known for one. Everything about him.

I imagine now if you're flying private, you're like, Like, hey, plans waiting for me. Oh, I feel like that is one of the most inconsiderate, especially if you didn't charter that flight. I think that's one of the most inconsiderate things you could do because you know that shit's expensive as fuck. You're paying for the minute? No, but the gower, the gas, the gas, the AC running.

I would just leave her behind. It's not like an all-inclusive, this is $30,000 or something. Keep going up. But yeah, I think to charter a jet, like, starting at $75,000. So I'm like, you're really telling somebody go back yourself. It was Sutton, right? Allegedly? Yeah.

Well, I mean, you know, Sutton may have the money to spare, but that's just not up to to Dorete to act that way. I know, but it's kind of like... I would have left her behind. See you and see you next Tuesday, E. In a good way. I was going to say about the time when Kim was late for Adrian's private plane, but it's like, yeah, that shit cost money.

Oh, yeah. Very inconsiderate. And it's just wild behavior. I love Doreet to death, but that's probably my, like, biggest gripe if I were in her friend group. Here's why I love about Beverly Hills. Drama over an episode is like someone being late to the private plane. Yeah.

Yeah. Very different from Salt Lake City. Yeah. It's great. It's a nice. It's calmer. Like a pallet cleanser. It's kind of like the gilded age.

Yeah. You know how there's some shows that just like wash over your brain warmly? Yep. And might be what a lobotomy feels like. That's what Beverly Hills is to me. Well, moving on, the Valley Persian style is enjoyable. I like it. It's really, really good.

Mm-hmm. It's such a like a change of pace from the valley. Well, I also like I love that there's, like they, it feels more authentic. It feels like a real group of friends. There's a lot of common ground. And like it feels like there's like, I don't know, nothing really feels forced. No. I think it's a lot of big personalities, but it's also like a bunch of people very comfortable,

either with themselves or their situations that like transparency, not an issue here. Like I relate to the, the, the, the, of like you got Reza who's like looking out for Gigi trying to play Big Brother talking about like her credit and spending problems and like obviously who wants to be told how to spend money and lectured constantly like I eat that up. Yeah. I love that Gigi admitted that her first paycheck was Shaw's a Sunset. I was like that's wild. I'm having a lot of fun. I never watched Shazzo Sunset. I know Reza from like being on Humblebragg one time. Loved him. Yeah. And so and MJ obviously just like culturally know MJ from traders. So I'm very excited to watch this. Do we know what happened with MJ and her husband and Reza? It looked like when, or I'm not sure if he's giving birth, but I know she's sick in the hospital. She had like a tube and everything. There was like a falling out that happened because their relationships have always been kind of toxic going back and forth.

But yeah, he's pissed because Tommy was left with picking up the pieces with MJ and she feels like Reza and Gigi are supposed to be like her brother and sister no matter how toxic, whatever. and they felt like he felt like they abandoned her in her time of need. But you show up at his house and kill his plans? He apparently came to have an argument with Reza, but Reza wasn't there. So that was... Sorry, I'm just going to, like, vandalize your property because you didn't show... I was confused by that. Yeah.

We have a rapid recap of the first episode of the Valley Persian style. The Shaws have retired to the Valley. MJ's boobs are like weeds. They grow and they grow. Gleza has kids and is divorced and is broke. Reza is calm now that he's married. This girl, Sky, stole Golneza's ring and is now coming to her son's birthday party. She brought the ring, but Glenaza thinks it's all kinds of fucked up.

MJ's husband Tommy hates Reza, and MJ feels like she's caught in the middle, but she does serve in Talladega Nights inspired fit. Sky and Tene are besties who love each other almost as much as they hate sleeping in the same beds as their husbands. Sky is also anti-moving to the valley. Reza cracks down on Gleza's finances. She spends 4K a month on weed, but that's mandatory. Also, her dad has always bankrolled her.

Reza wants her on a budget. At Persian night, M.J. tells Gleineza, everyone was talking about her death. As soon as she walks in the door, this doesn't go well. Glenazinez ends up leaving. M.J. Blames herself. That was wild talking about you. Yeah. Like, but not even hello. She goes, can I get a drink first? Or what did she say? She said, can I get kissed before I get fucked? Everyone talks about how you're spending too much money and your poor and your kids are going to like, mm-mm. Yeah, don't be mad. Don't be mad. I think she did the right thing. That's what I would do if, like, my friend walked in and I'd be like, they're all talking about you, by the way. No, but she only did it because she wanted to be like, I came to her. Did she bring it up?

MJ brought it up. Some of the most triggering things you can say to someone, don't get mad. Can we talk about your finances? We need to talk. Everybody thinks this. Everyone thinks this. I think it's that too. The idea, it's not so much about like, oh, my personality or like I was drunk one night, my

behavior. It's like, you're literally having a full sit down TED talk about my fucking finances that none of you are a part of. But also, would you rather walk in the room and ask? like everything's giddy and not know that they all just talked about you. She is also asking MJ and Reza for help. Yeah. You know, like they are involved in her like house hunting and this like whole thing that

seems like Reza's like getting responses back from the people she's trying to rent from or lease from. And they're like, oh yeah. Oh, wait, no. Her credit's too bad. So it seems like they're very much in the middle of it to the point where like it would make sense for them to have a conversation, but not at. No, with the entire party.

with the entire, yeah. You're like, hey, before Ganesa gets her and before we start this party, let's all sit down and discuss her finances. Don't be weird. She's walking in right now. And then also, you know something's up when you walk into a party of more than 10 people and everyone's silent when you walk in. Yeah. Like, yeah. I felt like I didn't need to see Jack's and has him on a date.

Like, they kept like showing us him and Natasha's friend, like, out in the playground. And then it was like them like canoodling at the table. And I was like, I don't care about this man on a date right now. Like, this feels... We're trying to incorporate him because we don't know him. To be fair. I'm like trying to give him some form of storyline because just retired playboy ain't it. Do you think she was into him or into the cameras?

I think. I mean, they seem like they'd been together for 10 years sitting at that table. Like the way that they were like wrapped around each other. Sometimes people just do that. Sometimes they just love at first sight. He did say he was locked in, so, you know, you don't know what he was saying to her all night by the end of it. They were like, yes. Yeah.

I've never met someone like you. What about Sky and her husband talking about, like, moving, when she said she moved out of the bedroom, that whole, because that was awkward. I think Reza is valid and being like, that is a precursor for divorce. Get back into the bedroom as soon as possible. I thought it was really funny that they were like, yeah, these girls are just always together, love hanging out. The willingness for him to just not respond is impressive. I mean, that's also just, just, like, yeah. like, I wouldn't have responded either.

Like, I'm not going to have a fight at a table with, like, all these people and these camera, you know, like, Sky's husband being like, sure, her being like, answer it. Answer the question. That's the part that I'm like, whoa. Yeah, like, we can have this discussion at home, you know? Like, this doesn't, we don't need to get into it right now. It's also kind of getting early, like, Valley, like the normal Valley show where, like, I feel like that's where the couples were like Michelle and Jason and they would just

silence each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but to that point with this being the first episode, it really didn't feel, you know, a lot of these shows that premiere, that first episode, it feels like kind of clunky, you know, a little forced. Other than Gigi for getting her purse when she stormed off, that was kind of getting seen. Yeah.

It's like, oh, wait, you know. I did notice it. You got to come back. You got to come back for that. It felt, I felt like, yeah, locked in. It felt like we were like really. You can tell that they've known, like, at least the core, like, MJGG.

Even all of them, though. Yeah. Yeah, the other ones as well. That's how a cast works is if they actually spend time with each other that we're not filling in the blanks. Even Gonesa and Sky having that issue with the ring, it kind of brings us in because it's like, oh, they've had some longstanding. It's been a couple months since you've given back the ring that it's like, we understand

where everybody stands with each other. It's not these like awkward strangers being like, hi. We're picking up with drama already. Sky is the jeweler? Sky's the jeweler. I appreciate her being like, yeah. I mean, sure, I can fix it, but I don't want to. That was so, you know.

I mean, like, I don't do repairs. I make my own jewelry. Make my own fine jewelry. She's like, well, you know how to do it. She was like, I know how to mow a lawn, but I still pay someone to do it for me. Thank you. I agree with that too. And how did she see as the rings going on that there's gold?

She's like, she just painted this gold. It's like, what? I was like, it also, Gunnais is just the queen of shady, shady sometimes even very, very mean. Yeah. Commentary. So I'm kind of like coming for her business. Not great. But I'm like, she just had to sneak that in there because I didn't see anything wrong with it from the before and after. I was like, are you saying that the gems are fake? Like I don't understand what the issue is. It was just like, I'm going to have a problem with you. Whatever. But no, I'm going to be pissed about it. But let's gab. I really like Sky. I think she's great. And you know why I really fuck with her? She's like, I'm not moving to the valley. I'm going to be on the valley version style. But you will not catch me in that zip code. Which I think is awesome. Yeah. As someone who doesn't want to retire to the Valley.

Well, that will do it for this episode. We're locked into the Valley Persian style. We'll keep talking about it as the season unfolds. Thank you to our guests, Greta, Titleman, and Rob C. from Traders. Do not forget to tune in tomorrow for an awesome going deeper with iconic celebrity stylist Chris Appleton. You are not going to want to miss that episode. A truly inspirational story. fascinating story. It's really amazing what he's done with his life and all the cool and fascinating

people that he gives confidence to. Like, I mean, it's his, you know, he's got a new book coming out. And the way he talks about, you know, doing people's hair and just the power brings. I was really fascinated by the conversation. And you will be too. Do not forget to check that out. That is tomorrow. We'll see you then. And the rest of the week, it's jam packed. Thanks for listening. Bye-bye.