The Viall Files - E1076 - Jesse Metcalfe, Traitors w/ Carolyn, Winter Olympics, Super Bowl, Below Deck Down Under & RHOBH

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

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Got a little jazz tune going on in the background. He got some good sleep. Yeah. You got a little pup in your step this morning, man. Do I? Yeah. River slept to the night. Oh my God, yeah.

In her own crib all night long. Does she still have the crib crib, or is it like the baby crib? She still has the crib, as opposed to what? Like a big girl. The bed that is a crib, you know what I mean? Where it's like they can get out. The ones are like off the ground, but they still have like railings.

Oh, no, we'll move to that soon at some point. But no, she's still in her crib. And she just every single night for the past, feels like centuries at this point. She wakes up in the middle of the night and we just bring her into our bed a lot easier. She sleeps quite good with us. But last night, I put her to bed with the magic touch, of course. And with her little Tony. You know, have you heard of those Tony boxes?

What is that? It's like anyone with kids. I'm sure you know. The Tony box is like a little music box. And it comes with all, like you can buy all the little characters separately. So like she has Belle, she has Cinderella, she has Lion from Lion King. And it plays every song from it. But then it also like tells the story of the movie.

You can get like books. You can use her imagination. Yeah. But she is like loves Bell. And so I put her to bed last night and she was holding Bell. And I think honestly that was it. That she woke up in the middle of night. and she was like, Dad.

My God, Bell. Wait, I'm good. That's all she needed. That's all she needed is Bell. Well, we have a fantastic episode lined up for you. The iconic, the legendary. Jesse Metcalfe joins us later this episode coming up shortly. Very excited to have Mr. John Tucker.

The iconic. And Desperate Housewives fans. I've always wanted to be a pool boy. Me too. You could still do that. I could. You have a pool and a wife. I feel like it would be, it would hit different at this.

stage in my life. It'd be like, if I were like a 20-something and I'd pool boy, I'm like, that's true. It's going to happen. So much adventure. Now I'd be like, what went wrong? What went wrong? I do spiritually feel like there is a pool boy inside me. Nick tells me it's not too late for me to be a man. A what? A male man. That was my childhood. You would look so cute in those shorts. You guys, do I tell Jesse Metcalfe? I wrote a song called Desper Housewives. Did you? Yeah.

Pretty good, actually, too. It's kind of a bangor, lokey. Can you play it? Right now. It has nothing to do with the show, though. Oh. No, it's about me telling a girl she was giving desperate housewives. In the song, I was like, he was the pool boy in Desperate Housewives. That was like hooking up with him a longer. Well, yeah, but in the song, he was the pool boy in my brain.

It was a loose narrative structure, you guys, okay? Well, we also have the incomparable Carolyn with us from last seasons of traitors. She was a traitor herself. And given the recent shenanigans going down in the castle, we thought it would be, make a lot of sense to get Carolyn's perspective on all things going on in Tradersland. Also, we got some shows to cover. I forgot. Below deck crossovers.

Oh, we got the below deck crossover. Oh, we got the below deck crossover. We're dipping our lead into Salt Lake City. We get to see the other side of the story. They kept it pretty light. Yeah, that's why I'm ready for the next episode. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Do you think we're really going to get anything? We're going to get a lot. I mean, I think it's going to be some great below deck. I think, no, fun to watch, you know, the below deck cast. But I don't feel like we're really going to get extra tidbits. Yeah. Given that this was the trip that led to the airplane ride, I just feel like there's just a lot of sensitivity around.

Actually, we did get a little tidbit because immediately when Bronwyn saw the unicorn in the room, she goes, I'm going to throw that overboard. And I was going to say we also got Heather Gay producing being like, yeah, Britney, flirt with every guy on the ship where I'm like, we wouldn't have seen that on Salt Lake City. And then we also heard her being like on Salt Lake City kind of judging Britney for flirting with every guy. That's why I said the thing that's kind of interesting about this is that like

the below deck cast, it's like the whole show shows their guest and the light that they present themselves in, not the light that like a housewives wants to be presented in. And it's always critical of the guest usually. Yeah. So that's what's fascinating. Because this is a show about the workers. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's why I'm like, I feel like we're going to get some more tidbits this next episode. This was just kind of like the introduction to the crew who's on the ship. The stress between the chef and the sous chef. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The next episode will be like... Because there needs to be a marriage. Bless the sous chef. Yeah.

But no. Why would she take that job, girl without experience? Go to culinary school. She said, I just have a passion for cooking. I don't actually know how to cook. And then meanwhile, recently single chef Ben is like, what the fuck? I was just going to say chef Ben in general. Most chefs in general, no offense, you do beautiful work, but the

patience and the temper, they're short. Yeah. Well, Nick is also, his patience is very short when he's cooking as well. Imagine Nick's my person, it's too, chef. Just chefs in general are like cooking, like where it's like you do beautiful work, but like the patience, it's hot in there.

You're trying to get things done. Yes, it's a very serious atmosphere. Yeah, 100% that I'm working under chef Ben. Speaking of, we have a mouse in our vent, our hood vent. I don't think we do have a mouse. What do you mean? I think we have a broken vent. I'm convinced that it's a mouse.

And Nick is like, it's not. It's just like a piece of the vent floating around in the, there. I'm like, no, I actually heard scratching with its nails. You're like, actually, it's not on and it just randomly makes noise. Nick goes, no, it actually. Yeah, and then Nick goes, no, it's rhythmically every 20 seconds, listen. And then it wasn't. And then it hit the side of the vent like it was like trying to scurry away. Oh, I don't think there's a mouse there. But I won't let Nick

take it down because I'm like, it will escape and then it'll be in our bed. And I just like, I need a pest control. You said I'll get to it later. I did ask Natalie, I'm like, in the man equation, like, are you comfortable with me waiting to call pest control? Oh, so that you don't know what's happening. Or am I being expected to pull this thing down right now and go in there, grab the ladder, and deal with the crisis? And I don't want him to do it. Yeah.

I feel like there's room for error. And we don't need error with a loose mouth. I think you can smoke them out. I randomly saw a video of that. Like, and they survive, but they leave. I can for sure smoke a mouse out. All right. Speaking of Brittany, sad news.

My sad news. It's good news. Her and Jared. For the week. Are we together? Are we broken up? She posted a, like, a reel of the two of them. This is not giving them.

We're done. Yeah. But the caption read, goodbye, baby. You are loved. I'm walking away from something. thing in someone I truly love. My heart is broken. I put this video together to show the world our real

relationship for anyone who has wondered why I kept going back to Jared. There was real love there. Jared, goodbye. You'll always have the most special place in my heart and you were really the love of my life. But if he's the love of your life, babe, don't quit.

This is the best part. I'm moving on. This time, I'm dating myself. Hey, okay, Ariana Grande. Jared, goodbye. Did I choose, Britney, you got to listen to Eternal Sunshine by Ariana Gandhi.

I think that album's really going to She's putting herself first. I mean, you know, the heart wants what the heart wants. I saw a Meredith Marks post leaving the show, which was quickly found out to be fake news.

Right. Then we saw Brittany speculation about her not getting a contract for next season. And then she reposts something? Yeah, I mean, honestly, Sierra and I were talking about this. where it is kind of common sometimes in the houseway world where it's like between seasons,

you'll see people speculate if certain people are coming back. And then you'll also see the actual housewife chime in to be like teasing it to maybe spark drum online. It's like two, two truths and a lie. Like, you know what I mean? Or maybe one truth and two lies. Or they're trying to find the truth. Literally. I think there's a world or Brittany doesn't know and she saw people posting.

And then she reposted on her story, someone saying like, Andy, like, think again or like bring her back. So I think she's trying to like, count. campaign that way. I imagine it must be difficult because if they start hearing, oh, contracts are out, you know. Exactly. I think it was Ms. Angie Kay. In the nicest possible way, she was just like, yo, I just like, you know, I talked to them when we're filming.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, even Crystal said she got a little tidbit about the Orange County Housewives cast and all of them were texting her being like, what do you know? Yeah, but that's the thing is they don't really talk. Yeah. And so when you hear speculation online, I would not be surprising that, like, Brittany might see that and go, oh, shit.

I'm out. Am I on the Toppy Buck? Do you remember, like, even when you are removed from the cast or you don't get a pickup, like I remember Teddy Mellencamp, she found out through the press. So I think a lot of the times the cast also doesn't, like, they're not part of the conversation. But everybody else does know. It sounds like Brittany, like she might be breaking up with Jared to have a storyline again. Well, when we had Angie Kay on, she was very much like, I hope the next time we see Brittany on our screen,

she is single, it's more about her, less about the Jared of it all. She was like, because that version is very fun. We have Browen, single, dating, out there, giving us, at least what I've always wanted. And maybe the producers are sitting the ladies down and saying, all right, this is what we're going to do next season. We're going to date. You know, the fans want it. They need it. Brittany, are you down?

Goodbye, my baby. Jared, goodbye. Brittany dating would be iconic. It would be iconic with Britney. Does she be singing, like, at the dinner table? Oh, my God, making Britney and Bronwyn go on like a double dating. Well, Bromwin's taken. Well, for now.

She is. She's casually dating. I would watch her go on dating with this guy. She's casually taken. She's casually taken. Exactly. The two of them with Brittany and whoever she finds, Jeff's Kiss. And in addition to other rumors, Amanda Francis as well.

Oh, yeah, that stuff. Yeah. Briefly talked about it last. She personally She actually spoke out She said I'm fake news She said fake news I'm staying She said I have the reunion on my calendar

I was like booked and busy She said reunion My watch what happens That final interview Like I am booked and busy I don't know why that was circulating But not true It was because of the after show

It's because they did Like usually as far as I know The opera show was shot in like one sitting So you have everybody sitting In the chairs with whatever pairing But they did a pickup for Kyle Richards to talk about her marriage With Mauricio

And she wasn't present in the pickup. So like the chairs were shifted. Why would she have to be present in the pickup? Well, because all of the cast was there except for her. So it was probably like doing a motivational video. She was probably busy as well I think. She was manifesting money, you guys.

Yeah, but people made that into she was fired or left filming early and wasn't there for the after show. To your point, though, that's how quickly these rumors kick up. It's like, oh, you were absent for an interview talking about someone else's husband. Like, you know what I mean? That would make sense. I'm just confused what the fans of Beverly Hills want. Like on one side of the internet, all I hear is complaints about how it's boring. They're not giving anything.

You know, a lot of the more OG cast members are just kind of mailing it in. And then on the other side, I just see people just like roasting Amanda and like pick, you know, and I get it. She's like, has some quirks. Maybe she says things that are a little like. I think she was very much necessary. She's not my favorite by any means, but I'm like very much necessary to make this show move because the past seasons.

But why are we? Yeah. It's like we bully them off the show if we don't like them a little. Because we still have Kyle and Derreet fighting over the same stuff. They've been fighting about for the last three seasons. So to have Amanda also in the mix does help soften them up a little bit and give us something else. I was like Sutton had her worst last two seasons and all of a sudden Amanda's making her seem likable. But also it's because Amanda's coming up to the forefront and Sutton's taken a step back.

You know what I mean? So I'm just like, it's necessary. You need the shakeup. You need a polarizing character that gets along with some of the cast and doesn't get along with the rest of them to stir up some drama because I'm sorry, but Beverly Hills is probably the most contained cast out of any of the housewives. Well, we'll get into Beverly Hills a little bit later as well. Big announcement. It's an exceptionally important going deeper this week. We are of all falls exclusive announcing your next three farmers for farmer wants a wife.

Super exciting to be a part of that announcement. And that is all here this Wednesday. On Going Deeper, if you are not familiar with Farmer Wants a Wife, you should be. It's like the most successful dating show. Kendall Jenner wants to be on it. Dakota Johnson's one of her favorite. It's some sexy farmers. They're hot.

Looking for wives and bring them to the farm. The thing about Farmer Wants a Wife is it does like awaken a part of me that from a, when I was a child, you know what I mean in the South where I'm like, that's a man. Hell you. You know what I mean? All here on Wednesday, we are announcing the next three farmers. So get ready to fall in love with the farm all over again. And some cowboys. That's this Wednesday.

It's going to be a ton of fun. We also had the Super Bowl. Anyone excited about the winner? Yeah, I hate the Patriots. So I was happy. Who did win? The Seahawks. The Seahawks.

The Seahawks. The correct team. The Seabirds of Seattle. Yeah. Yeah. I don't care about any of them. just hate the Patriots, so that was good. Yeah, Gigi.

Gigi. Good game. Gigi did a really great job last night on the field. No, it was definitely the Bad Bunny Super Bowl. It was good. Yeah. I feel like these were two teams that really no one cares about, right? I mean, besides Patriots and sincere.

I got my fiancé to go to the movies during if that's any vacation. Like Nick also took River to the park during the game. He went to the grocery store. No, I watched. like locked in. I was on TikTok during the game and locked in during the commercials. But the commercials besides the Emma Stone, Yorgos-Lanthmos one, kind of suck.

The Duncan one? Why were they de-aged? No, the Duncan one with Jennifer Aniston, Ben Affleck, Tom Brady. It's going to chill up my spine. What? A little cringe for you? It was just, why are they de-aged? It stressed me out.

Oh, I loved it. Goodwill Duncan is an incredible pun. I will say that. Like Goodwill hunting. It was a Duncan commercial. It's like if Goodwill Hunting was a 90s rom-com. Yeah. Uh-huh.

And it had Ben Affleck and like Jennifer Aniston was his girlfriend. George from Seinfeld. It was your favorite. My favorite. Yeah. Anyways, Bad Bunny, of course, took over, performed. Was actually, I think, so good. But amazing.

The creativity in it, I think like the storytelling, it was just. It was beautiful. And I don't even, I'm not fluent in Spanish by, any means, but I was moved. I was moved and my hips were moving. Yeah, the ped ao. I was smiling the entire time. Like, it was just like, oh, it was so touching. I was a Puerto Rican. Very proud.

Play. Thank you. There wasn't a couple that got married. Yeah. There was a couple I got married. And what I heard allegedly is that those were his friends that he was invited to their wedding, couldn't make it. Is that true? Yeah.

So he brought the wedding. Why don't you get married during the Super Bowl? Wait, that was their actual. wedding reception? Still cool, but not for me. Wow. I mean, you could always do that. Like, you can always have your wedding again, but, like,

you wouldn't do that. That's, like, iconic. Well, of course, I mean, if my, if my best friend was a rock star on that weekend, you know, when they're like, hey, it's your day. It's your day. It's all about you. A lot of people are talking about that moment, though. Yeah, for sure.

No, yeah. Honestly, that's kind of the only way I would want to get married. Like, it's really, like, no one's paying that much attention to me, but it's, like, a really cute. everyone's like, oh my God, love that. And now let's move on. That's what I have seen to be proven. But, you know, I am also scared to say.

I saw that too. I didn't know that it's his friends, but I saw that it was a real couple that got married and that was a real ceremony. It seemed when they kissed. I was like, they love each other. You're like such good acting. It was real.

There was, yes. Then there was, it opened up at like this caseta where we had Alex Earl, Cardi B, Pedro Pascow. Carol G. Jessica Alba. Jessica Alba. Thank you. Ricky Martin.

Did you see John Hamm also dancing to Bad Bunny? So cute. So cute. Everybody was. Someone called him. Juan Hemmon. What is? Oh, Juan Hemmon.

Juan Hemmon. John Ham. Because it is John Ham. They did that with Lady Gaga, too. I can't remember what the full name was. But it was like, my lady, Guadalajara. Gagalina. Also, Ricky Martin.

I'm sorry. How old is he 56? I had a crush on him. In the 90s, I still have a crush on him today. It was so hot. So hot. Well, it's all about hydrating and taking care of your skin. We also have the Winter Olympics going on.

Yeah. I've been into this winter. All I've seen thus far are the boys from heated rivalry. Doing the torch open. Yeah. I thought you were just talking about ice hockey. Oh, no. But I'm very excited for that.

This is my first Olympics being a girl dad. And so now I'm very tuned in to many of the ladies' events. Like, what can he put River in? Yeah. Well, I'm very in tune to their inspirational stories. We have Lindsay Vaughn, who unfortunately did have an accident. But I've been really, like, just mesmerized by this story. Lindsay Vaughn, who was already Olympic gold champion.

And at 41 years old, she is competing in this Olympics going for gold again. And I just think there's so many aspects of the story I find just really incredible. One, it's just like, it's easy, especially if you reach the top of the mountain to like quit while you're ahead or, you know, you know, if you win a Super Bowl, it's just like quit while you're on top and things like that. It's a lot harder and a lot more challenging to like try to compete where you feel like maybe you're past your prime. And then she tore her ACL right before the Olympics, still competed. I just like there's just so much about her story that as a girl that I want my daughter, you know, these are going to be. be her heroes. So I'm watching the Winter Olympics and I'm like thinking about who are the women that my daughter will look up to and be inspired by. And I'm way, I'm way more tuned in to the women events this Olympics. Well, that makes me really excited because that means that when the summer Olympics come around and the women start playing basketball, you might be a little bit more locked in. Of course, there it is. There we go. You do have a point though, Nick. I feel like everybody that's

at the Olympics is someone that's accomplished within themselves. Like, regardless of what award or medal you're winning. You're an Olympian. But you're an Olympian. And they've all, like, done amazing things. And when they're younger, they're doing it at a young age or if they're older, they're doing at an older age. Well, yeah.

I mean, River's only two now. So she can't really be aware of Lindsay Vaughn's story. But like if she were, you know, like an eight or nine year old girl, there's so many, like, aspects of Lindsay's Vaughn's story other than just winning gold. Yeah. Obviously, there's a lesson in there of what she's had to do to work. win, but more importantly, like, the resiliency, the competitor in her, the getting back up after you literally crash or, you know, figuratively, like, you know, it doesn't go well for you.

It's such a cool aspect of like just some great lessons and great role models you find in each Olympics. It's funny that you say that because, like, as we know, I'm not the biggest sports person, let alone am I watching the Olympics. But growing up Tara Lipinski, for one, hydrators, Chris and Yamaguchi, she, and she, Dominique Dawes, Dominic Machiano. I'm like, I still remember these people, these athletes' names because they were so prevalent in the Olympics.

They were close, not like close to my age, but close enough. And it was just like watching these like young women, I was like, maybe I'll be a figure skater. Maybe I'll be a gymnast. It's like Simone Biles for my generation. Yeah. Or like, you all know Simone. Just like the women's national soccer team when I was growing up, like Alex Morgan,

Megan Rapino, like all of those fighting for equal pay and stuff. Like that was so impactful on me and just how I view the world. Yeah. of just, and they will always mean so much to me, like that entire, like, roster of soccer players just because I was like, like, that was... Impressionable. Yeah.

Yeah, that was it for me. Yeah, I found myself watching it just being, like, very wondering who my daughter's role models are going to be growing up. Well, they're all good options if they're Olympians. I do think it's also cool to see, and I'm one of these people, but us not realizing how big Tara and Johnny were until, like, right now because they're doing a lot of commentary. Yeah, right.

That's what I'm saying, but there's a lot of people online that are like, I did not, out of love, realize that they are major people. Oh, yeah. Sarah Lipinski was like somebody I was so excited to watch skate every single time. And they're good. I went back and watched. She wasn't an Olympian. Yeah.

Absolutely. And who won the gold downhill? Breezy Johnson. Shout out to Breezy Johnson, who won the gold for women's downhill skiing, an American. They haven't won gold, I think, since Lindsay Vaughn, is that accurate? Could be wrong. I don't know. Also that reminded me now that Nellie and I are deep into baby names.

Breezy Johnson. What a win for the parents. Yeah, truly. Like, you know, like, what should we name our kids? Like, maybe Breezy Johnson. And then like one of the parents were like, I don't know, they would have to be like an Olympic gold medalist for that to really pay off. You know? It's like a lot of like baseball player names that have like are really like cool, interesting.

What's, um, mooky bets? Mookie bets. Mooky bets. Yeah. Great. What an amazing baseball name. Yeah, Nick and I are very much in that like, God, they just got to be, they got to be. That works if they are an Olympic gold champion.

Is that the kind of names we're coming up with? No, but. Well, you throw stuff out. You're just like, what if they're really cool. Yeah. Victory. You know, I support the creative names. I said to Nick the other day, do we feel like vintage is like a cool thing?

Vintage Vintage Vintage. For boy or girl. Why? We just name her Baggie fit. Y2K. No. Mom jeans. I like it.

Does it really mean that I've incorporated a thumbs down? He does. I text him a lot of names. I'm like, no, no, yeah, I text him a lot of names. And it is crazy considering he does get last name. And I am

doing all of the work over here. And I get thumbs down. Would you rather one an explanation, though? Sometimes that can crush you more. I'd rather him just be like, whatever you want, babe. I mean, she's honest.

You know? Did we hear that? Breezy Johnson. You could go either way. Breezy vile. All right. Up next, we have the incomparable Jesse Metcalf. Many of you know him from his famous iconic roles with John Tucker Must Die and those desperate housewives.

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Thank you. It's great to have me. We're so excited to have you. So you watched the Super Bowl. I did. Kind of out of the corner of my eye. Yeah. As I've gotten older,

I don't really care about sports as much. I watched a lot of sports growing up. It was like every morning cereal and sports center before school, you know, I grew up in Connecticut. That's where the headquarters of Sports Center is. It is. It's a really sports heavy area.

I grew up playing a lot of sports. What'd you play? Watching a lot of sports. I played baseball. I played basketball. I played tennis. I ran across the country. Nice.

You know, I didn't play football because my high school didn't have a football team. We had a soccer team, though. My high school had a football team. They were just bad. Yeah. Yeah. Was there like not enough kids to have a football team? I went to like this upper prep school.

that it's just we played soccer. We don't like people get hit. And lacrosse. There it is. And then winning your life where you're like, you know what? I have an artistic side to me. I want to get into the theater.

I want to get into acting. How did that all happen? Super, super early. I mean, I played a lot of sports, but I was by no means the star athlete. You know, I was just decent. But I always, I was in the band. I was in the chorus.

I like to paint and draw. I was always an artsy kind of indie kid. And then you look to the mirror and you're like, I paid the price for it. You look to the mirror and you're like, I'm beautiful. So maybe I should model. I feel like, exactly. How did you know? So what do I do with all this humility and good luck?

What are my options? And I can pretend like I'm home. Like, when did it? How old were you when you got like into acting? Not till I was 20. Okay. Actually, yeah, the drama teacher at my high school was always encouraging me to audition for the school plays, but I never did. I never quite had the confidence to go there.

Yeah, that's pretty revealing, you know, acting in front of your high school peers. Yeah. I wasn't that confident, you know, of a kid growing up. It's true. That really does take a lot of guts, you know. It's one thing to walk into an audition room with people you don't know or, you know, have some cameras there. but the kids who were maybe not the nicest to you during lunch were like, you want me to perform in front of them?

What are you doing? They had plenty of reasons already. I've always wanted to do theater, honestly, and I even attempted to book some stuff on the West End in the UK and got really close on a couple things, but they didn't end up panning out. But I can imagine I would be insanely nervous on opening night. I mean, that is just like,

you've got to be really, really brave to lead a theater production and the amount of productions you have to do. And I mean, it's just like... Do you feel like Broadway's in your future? I mean, I maybe start off Broadway, you know, but yeah, like I said. You can sing a little bit, can't you? I can sing a little bit. It's definitely something I'd love to do, but it's quite the undertaking, isn't it? You do have your new skincare line.

I do. How did you get into that? You know, I always wanted to try my hand at being an entrepreneur. I thought this was a natural extension, sort of my brand. Giving that there's been such an emphasis on, you know, my looks over the years. I've always been asked on the red carpet what my skincare routine is and how I look. I think younger than I actually am. I know it's like I don't want to like sit here and give myself a compliment.

No, I definitely was shocked to find out you were 57. I like that. I'm just going to go with that. That's a little more impressive. Yeah. No, no, I mean. You're like, no, Jesse, you look exactly your age. Yeah.

You don't look a day under. You don't look a day under 47. So, you know, and also I had acne as a teenager, you know, like many of us do. It's not like I went through something that like nobody else went through or anything. But because of that, I sort of became educated at an early age about skin care and various different topicals used to, to treat acne and, you know, different anti-aging topicals and hydrating topicals. And I used a lot of that knowledge and also the knowledge that I gained over the last 27 years in the business, you know, being gifted basically every product under the sun.

You know, and put all that knowledge into this line as well as some really cutting edge peptide complexes, one of which is called our gyrillin, which is often referred to as natural Botox. Hello. And another one. Say less. Withrixil 3,000, which is a cell signaling peptide that signals the fibroblast cells in your skin to produce more collagen, which is directly related to, you know, the elasticity of your skin reduces the appearance of fine lines. So before you created neutral skin, were you, you had your own skin care that, like, routine that you were doing, but was it like not working for you? You know what?

I was a little all over the place. I was a little all over the place with my skincare routine. And I imagine a lot of other people are as well. Because there's just so many options. And part of the ethos behind this brand was I just wanted to cut through the noise of an increasingly cluttered skincare market. There's all these different marketing drivers around skin care. And you don't really know what's good, what's not good, what works, what doesn't work.

All you know is, oh, that one's got a pretty package. You do have really good pretty packaging, though. You do, yeah. But I also feel like majority. Well, I kept it simple. I also called it neutral because it's gender. neutral. I was about to say that. So it's a product line that, you know, both girlfriends and boyfriends, you know, wives and husbands can share. So you don't have to have 50 million

products on your counter. See, you guys can share. She's always like, why are you using my face face cream? It's like, it's our face cream. It's because he won't put like the top on and then like there's like dry. You know, it's like toothpaste. We don't put tops on things. Yeah, you don't close cabinet doors either, do you? Everyone has a role. But no, I was going to say it is, I think especially though for men because there are so many products that are marketed to women that they're kind of like, I don't know. Well, that's why I wanted a more gender neutral look, you know, and I also wanted something that was, transparency is a big part of the brand. Yeah. You know, our ingredients, the products

are super clean. There's no fillers, no silicones, no paravans, no fragrances. The product line's great for all skin types. So you're doing this morning and night? I do, yeah. Does a, if, can you buy like the box where it's every step you need. You can buy it the total package or you can buy it it individually and it's also a subscription model and you can renew your subscription every 30 days, every 45 days or every 90 days. Signing my fiance up immediately. It's always asking me like, what skincare, what face wash do I use? And I'm just like, I don't know I use this. But then I'm like, you're not going to go back and get this yourself. So that actually is very helpful.

Well, both men and women love these products, but specifically because of how well they absorb into the skin and the consistency. They're more of a gel and less of like a heavy, a heavy cream, specifically the serum and the moisturizer. And men like that because it keeps your skin really matte and your skin doesn't get too oily from the products. And women like it because it's great pre-make makeup. Make it. Yeah. It's not sticky. Wow. There's a lot of thought behind this. There's a little bit of thought behind this. How do you think he looks so good? I know. I know. Yeah, it's blinding. I see it. I know. Truly. Has it been tough?

Well, you know, growing up, every once in a while I got a compliment for my looks, not quite like you. But then as I got older, I honestly, as I started aging. No, I can imagine you were a really good looking kid. Was. Yeah. You're still a great looking guy. But I mean, but I mean, your features. Yeah, you get older, you know, maybe a hair gets a little like, it comes out.

You're just like, am I losing my hair? You notice a wrinkle. And then it's like, I'm, that's all I, I remember one time. This is all I got. I'm sure someone like yourself, ever since you were 20, he came on the scene. We were joking before you came in the studio that I've always wanted to be a pole boy in my early 20s.

Like you, you like lived this life as a young man that I think a lot of even like men like myself aspired and women like were attracted to you. Is there pressure as you, you know, get older to like, fuck man, like, you know, I still got to show up and take care of myself? I mean, I don't even know where I began. It was honestly a very, wild journey, you know, with a lot of different ups and downs from my adolescence to being a 47-year-old man

and having a pretty meteoric rise in the industry in the middle of that. You know, I dealt with, I dealt with a lot, you know, especially as an adolescent and a teenager. I had various different father figures in my life. I was estranged from my biological father for like 15 years. So, like, my sense of self, my identity, my confidence was on shaky ground from the very beginning. And then when I got my first opportunity to start modeling, which ultimately led to an open casting call for a daytime television show that I booked and then now, you know, a 27-year career in the business, that was really the first moment where I started to find myself, you know find my identity find my confidence it was a great thing for me but maybe part of that

that wasn't so great was that my entire sense of self was really wrapped up in the success or failure of my career you know and i think a lot of actors and people in this business people in this town fall prey to those to those circumstances and it can really kind of destroy you because it's a it's a very feaster famine industry. I mean, one, and it's a very fickle industry. One minute you're hot, one minute you're not. And you got to be able to weather those those lulls in your career and still kind of like know who you are. Yeah. You know, so that I mean, that's, that's probably the most current thing, you know, that I've been dealing with. It's just that like, you know, having reached the heights that I've reached and then sort of not necessarily going back to

square one, but I mean, I have to audition for pretty much everything I go out for now. You I still get the occasional offer, but I mean, it's not like I'm getting offered everything under the sun. And it's not like the phone's ringing off the hook. You know, I mean, I really feel like, I honestly feel like I've underachieve, you know, in this business. And I certainly hope my next chapter is around the corner, you know, because that's really what I've been working towards. I mean, I believe you are a household name. I mean, so what do, is there something that you once valued that you don't anymore? I don't value fame as much.

I value my peace and my deepening and developing my personal relationships with the people that I really care about a lot more than popularity, fame, and being like. Yeah. You got to make that transition. And that's a weird transition to figure out in your 20s. Like, you know, I probably wasn't until in my early 30s or late 20s where I was just like, I'm comfortable with who I am. You know, I got some, I got some strengths.

I got, I got some weaknesses. And you try to work on those. But yeah, like, I'm grateful that any type of, you know, introduction into the public space, I was a little bit older. And I imagine it must be very difficult for someone like yourself. Early in your 20s, that's such a pivotal chapter in one's life and then to be thrust into that fame and attention,

which is exciting and great. And you feel it, but you're right. when it goes away for periods of time, it's a very challenging chapter. Once you get that first big break, you cannot take it for granted. You really have to nurture it and maintain that momentum.

You don't want to do anything that adheres your forward progress or that slows that momentum because that's going to be, you know, a negative for your career. And I mean, I didn't always handle myself well. Yeah, you know, I mean, I think I could have been a lot more, a lot more humble probably, you know, in my, my, my, my mid-20s into my early 30s a little bit. And, you know, I mean, much like any industry, it's, it's a lot about relationships.

You know, and you really want to, you really want to leave every working relationship, every professional relationship, every encounter with anyone within the business, leave that person with a good impression, leave that person feeling good, that they had a good relationship. good interaction with you, you know, and they're going to say something positive about you to the next person, you know, and I think that's almost more important to building a career than actual talent. Yeah, honestly, there's a lot of truth to it because you're right, this town is fickle. People leave jobs, get new jobs. You're just like, I don't fuck with that person. 15 years later. And people hold a grudge. Yeah, they do hold a garage. And it's a tough. And like you said, I mean, especially in the actor's career, like you, you know, some actors will choose to like take a break or like you said, like it just maybe they're working their asses off and they'll get the

credits, but maybe they didn't pop in a way that they've popped before. And then all the fans would be like, what happened or something like that? You're like, I'm living my best life. Oh, I know. But it's hard to not like read stuff. Yeah. And have it like get into your head. That's probably another thing too that totally changed for me is I used to read everything that was written about me on the internet. I was just like up in there. Just like, oh my God, this person said this and I was just like, irate and angry and like hurt and emotional. And now I don't even look at that stuff. It's such like a freeing feeling to just not to like we were, we cover Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Yeah. So we were watching the most recent episode and Rachel

Zoe was talking about how her divorce was all over the news and the media. And I was like, I don't think I saw one headline about that. You know, like, and it just makes you realize that obviously like everything is fed to you because it's you. Yeah, when it's about you, it feels heavy. It's totally amped. Everyone is talking about it. You're like, no one's talking about it. No one cares.

You go to the grocery store and you're like, are people staring? You've been stressing yourself now and nobody cares. What? You're like, sorry, I just wanted to get that apple. That's the right. Yeah, you're just in the way. Speaking of one of your more iconic roles, John Tucker must die, you know,

even if you never watched that movie, it was such a like a pivotal movie in pop culture. Have you ever had an experience where people, you know, we cover a lot of reality TV. I've been on reality TV, even though, like, I don't feel like, you know, the person that you got to see of me fully encapsulated me as a person. It was still like a little bit of me, but you're playing a character. Like, you're just, that's not you. I'm, I'm not John Tucker. But I imagine you had some interesting fan experiences where people, like, blurred the lines between Jesse Matcalf and John Tucker and, like, almost like felt like they were taking it out on Jesse Metcalfe.

when they should have been taking out on John? Maybe they should have been taking it out on Jason. You know? I didn't exactly shy away from that persona. Kind of play it into it. It was method. It was method acting. My bad.

But it sounds like you've had some really pivotal life lessons throughout this experience. Oh, without a doubt. I mean, how did you first broach that? You first broached that by, well, I think the only drawback maybe to some of my more iconic roles is that it's pigeonholed me a little bit.

Sure. You know, and made people think that that's all that I am or that's all that I'm capable of as an actor. So that's probably the only drawback. I mean, I never thought that John Tucker Must Die would achieve this kind of iconic sort of Y2K, teen comedy, classic status. Because it got absolutely shredded,

you know, when it premiered by the critics. I mean, I don't know what the Rotten Tomato scores very low. Is that really? Very low. Yeah. So, you know, the fact that it's sort of stood the test of time a little bit and been passed down through the generations from like older siblings to younger siblings and that people are still talking about John Tucker must die like 20 plus years. Then again, this could all be in my own head. Maybe they're not.

It's still very relevant. It's still very relevant. Mary just started or Mary finished desperate housewives for the first time in this past year. Yeah, I hear that streaming somewhere now. Oh, obsess. Amazon Prime, baby. Prime. It's amazing show.

A lot of people have been discovering Desperate Housewives for the first time. Your other John role. My other John, I've planned a lot of Johns. A lot of basic Johns. But an amazing... This character, John.

Do you have a role that would be really fun for you to play that you think would maybe break the perception of the mold that you in. You know, we've heard like, you know, an actor that comes in mind, Matthew McConaughey, famously in all these rom-coms.

So, you know, other actors would even tease at his expense. He had like Matt, Matt Damon would do these, like, impressions of him, of, like, a rom-com actor. And then you saw these interviews of Matthew being like, I don't want to do this anymore and really, like, leaned into these other characters and broke the mold. What would be, like, a type of character you would want to play?

I mean, that's a difficult question to answer, because it's kind of broad. I mean, anything that would help me break that mold would be more than welcome. The types of movies I like, you know, Speaking of like a Matt Damon or something like I don't know. Goodwill Hunting had a huge impact on me when I was at NYU film school growing up. I really like dramas. I like dramas that I like characters that have really rich emotional arcs.

Dead Poets Society is like another movie that just really affected me growing up sort of those types of stories. But I have a million and one, you know, script ideas in my head that I think would be incredible. that, you know, people are always saying, oh, produce your own vehicle, you know, take kind of control of your career. It's a lot easier said than done, you know, and I have produced quite a few movies. But, you know, maybe I'll take one of these ideas and run with it. I mean, we'll see. I do feel like, I don't know, I just have a sort of a sixth sense that that that next chapter is kind of around the corner for my career, you know, I really do. I think just a lot of the self-work I've done. and personal growth.

And I don't know. I'm just ready. I'm just ready to sort of take on more complicated, mature roles. Is there a historical biopic that you would ever be interested in playing? You know, nothing off the top of my head right now. I mean, back in the day, in my younger years, I thought it would be cool to play Elvis, Elvis Presley. And I was actually up for, they did a TV series, you know, like a limited series.

And Jonathan Reese Myers, actually. ended up playing. You remember that actor Jonathan Rees-Meyer? He played Elvis, which was interesting casting, you know, because he's English, but he's an incredible actor. So that was always kind of an iconic, you know, personality that I thought I had the capability of playing because I think I looked somewhat similar to Elvis. But off the top of my head, no, no one right now.

I do love biopics, though. Yeah. Yeah, specifically music biopics. I'm obsessed with those movies. I'm sure you've been asked this, but like we were in an, era of remakes and reboots and things like that and bringing back some of the more iconic shows. So obviously, then the John Tucker must die, the Desperate Housewives get brought up and something like that.

Would that be, you're in this kind of very, you know, transitional where you're period, where you're ready for that next chapter in your career, knowing that you've been pigeonholed by things, you know, like I, again, not to compare, but like being the bachelor, it's like, Everyone who goes on that show wants to break away, find their own thing. And it's just like, yeah, bye, I sell you on The Bachelor. Like, no, thank, thank you. I'm doing other stuff. Would it be difficult for you to, like, accept that role if the rest of the cast got together?

And would it be just a lot of fun? Could you embrace it? Or would that be a challenge where you'd want to, like, maybe that's not right for me? No, I definitely embrace it. Okay. And there is a script for John Tucker must die, too. That's at 20th Century Fox. and, you know, our castmate, Ariel Kebill,

who's on a new Taylor Sheridan show right now, Y. Marshalls. She was sort of spearheading the development. And the script's solid. But I don't, and everyone's, most of the cast has expressed interest in being a part of it. I mean, I certainly wouldn't be the person that's like, no, I'm not doing.

Find a new John Tucker. Who am I to do that? I would definitely be happy to be. a part of it and I think it would be super fun and funny. And I don't think it would necessarily deter what I'm fine to. Give the people what they want. Achieve. I mean, I see it's like,

John Tucker's finally getting married. Everyone from college is on this like, this resort wedding or something. And then it's like, oh no, John Tucker is doing what John Tucker has always done. It's a little more depressing than that. But I'm going to suggest that. John Tucker's a lot.

Charter's a little bit more of a loser. Love. Love. What does it take for something? I mean, like, I'm sure there's so many decisions. Honestly, I have no idea. Yeah. I have no idea.

Like a good script just sitting? I'm not really in control of this. Maybe I could go and write my own script and pitch it the 20th century Fox, you know? I'm not really in control of this particular iteration, so we'll see what happens. I'm just sort of along for the ride. I'll tell you what, a Taylor Sheridan Project. That would be kind of cool. A Taylor Sheridan Project would be amazing.

I mean, he's like. He's pumping him out. He's incredible. I mean, his whole story of the fact that he was an acting coach and just like how quickly he sort of took over this town and is such a prolific television creator. I mean, he's amazing. He's like a crazy, crazy powerhouse. Yeah. What's one of a great movie?

Sicario. Sicario's great. It's with. Elizabeth Olson? Elizabeth Olson. Was it when? Wind River? Wind River.

Wind River. Yeah. Great movie. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's inspiring hearing you talk about this next chapter of your life. The little bit I've learned being in this town is that like it's, it's really about outlasting people. You know, like you said, I think it's a very fickle town.

A lot of people chase their dreams. There's highs and lows. You know, a lot of people can't handle, like extreme high and extreme low. A lot of people aren't easy to work with. and things like that. A lot of people go through it, don't learn the lessons and kind of humble themselves.

And I really believe that like, yeah, it's just, it's outlasting people. It's, and your chapter 100% is definitely gonna, like, I think manifest the way you wanted to. Hell yeah.

Well, I just, I really don't think that because, like, it is true. There's a lot of things about, you know, looking at your,

your resume, your career. And at some point, they're going to be like, that's right. Jesse Metcalfe. Right here. It is.

It is who can outlast. Yeah. And being resilient. Yeah. Well, and we have a little game for you before we let you go. It's really dumb and fun and easy. Not dumb, but like light and fun. There you go.

Let's keep it light. It's not dumb. It's fun. Silly. Well, dumb and the fun sense. Be silly. But if you lose you, you're not allowed to go, apparently. Yeah.

You'll be covering Real Houseways with Beverly Hills with us. So we're going to read a line from an iconic movie or TV show. And you have to guess which. character said the line bonus points if you name the project if you get five points you're free to leave the studio otherwise you are trapped here forever part of this household wow round one why would i date one girl when i can date three is that john tocker from john tocker must die damn dang ding ding ding thing um life's like a box of chocolates you never know what you're going to get forest gum yes sir forest gum mhm that be self-titled you knew this was complicated from the

start. You knew this was complicated from the start. That was the voice. Sandra Bullock? Miss congeniality? It's you. It's you. It's John Rowland from Desperate Housewives.

Missedgeniality. I love that's where your mind went. I was trying to think like a host of the show. But you said it like a movie villain and then you're like Sandra Bullock. Actually, can you say, in a world. What? In a world. In a world.

He does. He's got it. This son. Here's looking at you, babe. Humphrey Bogart. No. Casablanca. No.

He's looking at you, kid. No. Here's looking at you, babe. That's a true question. It's Fred Willard incorrectly quoting Humphrey Bogart and waiting for government. Waiting for government. Really? Yeah.

Wow, you obviously came up with that one. That was my, that was mine in the, in the, that was tricky. Do you ever think there's that maybe there's more to life than being really, really, really, really ridiculously good looking? Oh, that, oh my gosh. Whoa, whoa, this one's so easy. This one's so easy, but I'm blanking. Ben Stiller. Uh-huh.

Ben Stiller. You found it. You're so close. And meet the parents now. What is it? What is it called? Blue Steel. I can't remember the name of it right now.

It's like a place you can take your kids to like pet some animals sometimes. I can't turn left. I can't remember. I love this movie too. You do. The latter of it is to begin with. Z. Oh, Zoo.

Zootopia. Zootopia. I think Yay, you won. You won. We're going to like you. It's a great movie. Jesse, so much fun, man.

Yeah, definitely, man. Thanks for having. Congratulations and everything. And good luck the rest of the way. And obviously, neutral skin is available now, wherever you get. Direct to consumer. On the website. Yep.

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I was staring this entire time. I'm so scared to see what this interview looks like. It's just me like, yeah. Yeah, that's sometimes when I don't speak, it's just because I don't want the people of Earth to see me just being like, googly-eyed. I was a teenager. There was a lot of, there was a lot of feelings tied to what was sitting on the other side of this couch, my goodness.

I just thought it was really interesting hearing him to talk about his career and just the ups and downs and just kind of vulnerably talk about he's ready for. for that kind of next chapter. It's giving grown man. Referencing just a little humility. Did you see the new Rhode Island trailer? I have. Very, very in tuned to my friend Ashley, Ian Kennedy.

Also, her second career is a reality TV star. Yeah. Also, the cast photos for this, they're holding, like, the pearl. Love. It's a giant pearl, and it looks so sexy. It's giving birth of Venus. It is sexy. Ashley is very excited from what I can tell about this coming out,

which I thought was interesting. Because you never really know. Like the transition from Bachelor Nation in that world is very different. We've learned just from covering the ABC universe to transitioning to Bravo. It's certainly different animal. I was curious about Ashley's experience and she had a lot of positive things to say about her experience in her cast. So I'm excited to see it come to our TV screens. And seeing Jared as like housewife husband.

That's what, yeah. That's all line. So good. And I think like the Bravo, the people who have. never watched them on any bachelor stuff. I think he's like hot husband alert. Like, I think he's... He's gonna make it in the bracket.

Yeah. When they do like the hottest husband to Bravo. I don't think Jared has a toxic bone in his body. So it'll be really nice to see, you know? Yeah, I think he's gonna have to be like a voice of reason for what she's dealing with. Like she's going to be coming home being like, so and so sad. Yeah. And just like, okay.

Oh yeah, because I do think the show description did include something about like struggle. and their marriage and their... Oh my God. Yeah, they were, like, having, like, a serious conversation about, like, finances. And, like, their restaurant, yeah. Yeah, so it's like, I was like, it's going to be interesting, I feel like for you guys because it's, like, you actually know them

and then seeing things that you obviously wouldn't have known about, but it'll make it on a TV show. It's just like... I mean, like, you guys are okay. Yeah, like, literally. Hey, just saw the episode. What's your video? I know this was three months ago, but, like,

you guys good. But also, maybe, I mean, this, if they're having any, with the, with Audrey's, like, Hello, it's now on a Bravo TV show. It's now going to be like a sir. A sur, a tom-tom. Southern hospitality. There's like too many of the neighbors to take down.

But yeah. And we eat it up. Speaking of Super Bowl commercials, Andy had his on Super Bowl commercial. With the nerds. I got really, really excited during that. I mean, if there's one candy I want to promote, it's probably that one. It's the best off. Nerds got me cluster is best candy.

If you don't think so, you can, you know, like fall into a hole. I don't care. They're so good. They're so good. I was like also Bravo. Paige DeSorpo had a Bueno commercial as well. I saw the previews for it but I didn't see it during.

It was when you took River to the Park. Oh. The commercial came on and I was the only person there who knew who Page de Sorbo was and I went, is that page? And then everyone else was like, what? And I was like, y'all are not on the level that I am. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

Andy did say about Rhode Island because a lot of people were saying like, We can't tell these people apart. And Andy was like, you said that about Lisa Barlow and Meredith Marks season one of Salt Lake City. That is such lazy fan critiquing. It is. Real ones can really identify the difference between two burnets. All I have to say is I watched that trailer and I said, okay, I am sad. I am ready.

That trailer is so freaking good. When does it come out? April 11th? April 2nd. You were one too far? But you made it. Because I don't have to wait that long. You were willing to wait until April 11.

I would have. I'm excited, though, like, eventually Rhode Island's going to enter in the sphere of Ultimate Girls' trip. And I've been following every bit in peace that's public about Ultimate Girl's Trip. I don't know if you saw allegedly Tamara and Shannon, not allegedly, we know they were, but Tamara and Shannon were not invited to the finale of Ultimate Girl's Trip because they had some kind of form of, like, altercation or, like, feud at one of the earlier shoots. Isn't that what we want?

I don't know. I'm confused. Why are they getting in trouble? This is sounding, like, off-camera airplane. I think it might have been on camera, but Crystal Brewer. briefly talked about in Hubble brag too, but production decided not to move forward with that storyline on

Ultimate Girl's Trip. Yeah. I think they wanted to keep it lighter and probably more celebratory of all of the house was. And Shannon and Tamara just couldn't help themselves. All I'm thinking is that scene of them at the dinner in Amsterdam when like Tamara's standing on the other side of things like screaming at her from the table and I'm just like, yeah,

I could kind of see that kind of ruining the finale by them. It makes me so sad because those are two women that have had the pleasure of meeting in person and just truly love my interactions with both those women. They're just like, I don't know. They might have just feuded too close to the sun for Ultimate Road trip. Because also I know Gertie Obrero wasn't there at Miami. She responded. Gertie said truthfully, I wasn't contacted for the Real Housewives Ultimate Girls trip.

And it was surprising, especially since I've been part of the reboot from the very start. It would have been nice to be included and celebrate the milestone. but what matters most to me right now is staying locked in on me and the here and now. Yeah, and that was one of the discussions too because Gertie and Julia weren't at the Miami part of road trip. So people thought they were not returning to Miami. Then you have Jennifer Aiden who allegedly, what's a crash? Crash the party, the Halloween party where she was wearing the same outfit as Vicki as Taylor Swift. Anyways, I'm excited.

Sounds like a lot is going to go on. Do we have a premiere date for Girls trip? They're shooting it at. Or they might have wrapped it, but they're shooting right now. You know, it is starting this week. Love is Blind. On my birthday, every year. Every year.

We'll be getting to that mess starting Thursday's episode of reality. Yeah. There's so much anticipation. Ohio. The whole state. They weren't even like, forget the city. They were like, we, there's, and if y'all have ever been to Ohio, yeah. Could it be saying?

That was like probably one of the worst kept secrets. Like, they kind of were like, we're not going to say, disclose where the location is. but then it was like rumored to be Ohio. And then like 10 days later they're like, all right, so it's Ohio. And we're like, yeah, we fucking know. It's also like I feel like it's funny because it does really go to show that probably the Cincinnati Columbus dating scene is so insular that they had to really just do the whole state. And like, how big is Ohio?

It's pretty big. It's pretty big. So like, going to be long distance. Someone. Columbus, Cleveland. How far of a drive between some of the bigger cities? Let's maps it up, baby. I have a question because I don't know if this interferes with me.

able to do my job, but I kind of want to play along with Love is Blind and like watch it blindfolded, like, and see if I can like, like, you know, because you do the whole reveal when they have their reveal. So then you're like, do they look like anything that you thought they were going to look like. I sometimes close my eyes. Like, I want to do that. When they're in the pod. I want to do that. And I want to be surprised. And then I want to come back here and tell you guys, like, well, I thought Jim was going to have a bun. If you want to do a social experiment, period. You should. I just want a clearance. Sir, you know that intro, that 10 minute intro where you're getting rapid fire introductions.

Everybody, you're going to be like. I'm going to be like, all right. Who's who again? I'm going to be like, have they started yet? All right, it is three hours and 46 minutes between Cincinnati and Cleveland. Okay. Three hours? Yeah.

Two hours between Columbus and Cleveland. Okay. Columbus and Cincinnati. One hour and 38 minutes. It's definitely a storyline if they're doing a season of a whole state. I don't know. I mean, it takes me 40 minutes to get here and I do it every day. So they can date.

Well, this season, I think, is going to have some drama. What's even more exciting is following a love is blind. There's this new exciting show on Netflix dropping right after called A's of Attraction. Age of Attraction. I hope they have good hosts for that show. Their hosts are fine. That's not about the hosts. Love, Mayor.

I think you guys are going to really, really like this show. You can't wait. You know, you never know. You never know. Well, you know, it's a new show. And obviously, we're excited. We're biased. We were there.

saw it. We've seen episodes. I think you guys are really, really going to like it. Did you enjoy it? Oh, we love the experience. But most, like, again, I think it's really a show just about people. Obviously, the age part is centered in the show, you know, age

differences, but it's really just about people like getting out of their own head of like all the reasons why society or family members said this person isn't right for you or that person's not right for you. And you get a collection of people frustrated with the dating current, dating landscape. And we put them together.

And we let them explore, you know, connections. And I think you'll be very entertained by what you find. I'm excited to see you guys see it. It was very romantic. It was in a very beautiful scenery setting. Very romantic. Truly, Whistler. What else was romantic is the first episode of Below Death.

There we go. Very, very romantic. And if you missed it, we do have a rapid recap. app. Finally, the crew's perspective on the uni, the unicorn fiasco, will be revealed because it is time for below deck down under baby. Captain Jason, hot as fuck. The crew also hot as fuck, but in a working class, Bruce Springsteen way. And the women of Salt Lake City expecting nothing but the best drinks to throw at each other. Mike, the deck stew is ready to flirt. Before the women are even arrive, Alessia, the sous chef cries unrelated, but does not bode well. And Joe, the deckhand,

has a family emergency and has to leave. So we're already short. staffed and emotional. When the ladies finally set sail, Daisy, the chief stew is confused about room drama. Brittany says Jared is just not that into her and she wants to hang out with Captain Jason. Bronwyn also says she's going to throw the unicorn overboard on day one. The crew loses a nipple cover, stressful. Daisy's going through a lot right now. Also, they slow-mo repeat Angie's throw up while cutting between a cheesecake being made under very tense circumstances. Tension between chef and sous chef. Mary Cosby does say that the chef gets down though, so that's high praise. Daisy is so confused by the seizure argument.

The broken glass is throwing all the plans off the stern. It's only day one and she's over it. That's what you missed. Oh, in the first episode. I love it. I love below deck. And then I obviously love my ladies of Salt Lake City. I just, it reminds me when they used to do like Beverly Hills crossovers with Vanderpump rules.

And then it would be like, you see this like nice dinner in the drama in Beverly Hills. And then you get to see everybody who's waiting on that table. And like Stasi's iconic line of just like, oh, I hate rich. people. That's why I only date poor people. Because it's just like the way that these requests are being made the second they get on the ship. They're like, can I get this cocktail? And my Prada.

Bronwyn bringing like, y'all put Dr. Pepper on the yacht, right? The nipple cover? The nipple cover. And that's being a on the pager. Like being like, hey, can everybody, if you see a nipple cover, send it my way? Nothing is pissing me off more than the sous chef. Oh. Say more. When he's like, can you grab me something to put the chicken fingers on?

Chicken fingers on or in? Yeah. What do you mean? That was a good question. That was a good question. It's not. And don't kiss me off. But hear me out. Sometimes you just have passion.

As a very accomplished shoes, shoe. Sue, chef. Sue. I'm all of them. Sue and I'm Sue. Sue. Sue chef. Oh boy.

Kind of, yeah. Yeah. Go for it. She knows what she's talking about. I do. I get yelled out constantly. No, that's not it. I'm like, there's a mouse in the vent.

And he's like, no, it's not. It's our rattling broken air vent. Let's keep it on high. Nick, I do think you do have the perfect temperament to be a chef on below deck. Dare I say, say more? Like, it's like you have your charming aspect. You have like the fun. You know what you're doing.

You have it under control. But like you, there is like a slight edge that is really going to keep it interesting when you have a sous chef that like could piss you off. I think I have one of the better not saying anything. Faces. Yeah. Which is kind of like what the. actual fuck were you thinking. And then it would cut to your confessional and it would be

so mean and it would be perfect. When she's like, what was she doing? And then she's like, I don't know how to cook. I just have a passion. It was the cake when he said, did you not add sugar? And she's like, put your instructions of her to, and then she just stopped. I feel bad because it's like the last chef that she was under was obviously like she also has a temper, but like was able to like work with her and like knew where she was at because

she wanted to be in the kitchen. Exactly. Where I'm like, the way that she presented herself with Ben, who, if you've watched Ben has a temper, Ben is particular, that I'm just like, for you to say I have a passion for food sounds like somebody who can cook or like loves to cook at home, but like maybe just wasn't technically trained, like, doesn't have, like, can maybe eyeball things, but like doesn't know how everything is made and like the way that she said that. Sarah? Yeah, no, I know. When he said, can you dress the salad? And she said dress it in what? I know.

I know. That's where I was like, okay. Or like not be in the kitchen. It was like, bitch. That one, okay, that one I can't defend the plate or the bowl, but that one. Maybe she was doing a bit. Well, because what else do you do to a salad? You dress it.

Now she's nervous and she's just saying things to. Yeah. Like at first I felt bad because it was like when she burned her hand and all that stuff, he was just like, it's not that hot. It's not that big of a deal where it's just like a little compassion would be nice. But then I was like, oh, to literally have no skill whatsoever when it comes to cooking. And no like common sense. It's like you just, you've been in a, I'm sure you've been in a kitchen.

you know the dressing does go on a salad and then he's like, are you, that is that, are you going to make those leaves smaller? And she's like a smaller bowl or? No, when he asked for medallioned lemons and she cut wedges. And I was like, oh, fuck.

When she said, we don't have any black beans, but no, she said, what do you mean we don't have black beans? They're right here. He goes, says red. Those are red beans. She's trying.

She's trying. Yeah, I'm like, but I feel like she'd be better suited. Maybe like, we lost someone that had. to go with her family. She could have like shifted over and then found someone else.

I'm just confused at how she got brought on as a sushi. No, what I'm confused about? What are you confused about? Why, Heather guided Britney to flirt with more men. Because Heather is a producer in her own mind. She also made it seem like as if she was like, oh my God, on Salt Lake City was like, oh my God,

Britney, you're flirting with everyone. Yeah, you're wild. And she's like, get with every man you see on this ship. You know, no one ever talks about how good of an actress, Heather is. No, they don't. She's a screenwriter. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. She is a screenwriter for sure. She's creating the plot and she's making them all stick to it. She's uninvolved in it. And then Brittany just being like the little sister of the group, like even more so on this show where it was just like, I want this room. Girl, you're getting kicked out. And Lisa and Meredith are having their luggage brought in and then you get roomed

with the one person that does not like you. What are some of the things you're hoping we see next episode that might reveal some unanswered questions we had from Salt Lake City? I want to see the state that they. that they leave in, that's a big one for me. I want to see if they were like day drinking beforehand, which would make sense that the escalation of getting to the airport, having the one drink at the airport could have gone a little overboard.

I want to see them throwing the unicorn off the boat because Meredith said, if you look closely, I was not the one who actually threw it in the water. It was a producer. Well, she didn't specify. Nobody knows if someone did throw it in, producer. She fake threw it in. We also didn't see faces.

We only saw the backs of the blow up like, animals or whatever they were. We saw everything up until the dinner where Angie's sick. So we have a lot to still see. I really want to know about this cucumber. Do you guys remember the cucumber? I do you remember the cucumber. I want to know more about the cucumber.

Didn't Whitney clear that up that she just bought it on the way to do a prank but I forgot to slip it into someone else's. Cucumber. And I, well, in that vein I bet that all of the, all of the crew will be having a joy to talk about that. Well, and below deck, too, it's like they always have, like, themed dinners every night. So I'm like, we didn't see a lot of Salt Lake City was just about, like, the women's dramas with

each other where I'm like, I feel like this one, like, kind of seeing things break down where it's like, okay, tonight's whatever thing. Because they had masks on the bed when the woman originally found the cucumber. So I'm like, but we never saw those masks be used while they were on the ship. I also just want to know what interpersonal dynamics we had no idea was even happening when Salt Lake City was great. you know what I mean like Lisa Lisa is fighting and crying on the side of the boat like I want to know like what romance drama Behind the scenes the kids are going through there was one of the crew members I was like should I grab her and they're like no let her sit there

Yeah I want to see yeah what what The housewives don't have control over being shown on a show that's not theirs That's that's what I'm curious to see we'll find out We'll find out episode two baby all right it's time to get into a little traders and we're going to get the help from former Carolin, who was wreaking havoc in the castle last season, she joins us this season to break down all the shenanigans happening in the castle. Well, Carolyn, welcome back to the show. It's great to have you.

Thank you. How are you? I just want to get something off my chest. Otherwise, I feel like I'm not going to really be able to do that as my authentic self, if that's okay. Yeah. I just, I was so orange for my reunion. and I just, I don't want to say I blame you, but I kind of do because I couldn't, I couldn't

shower my spray tan off and I had overdeveloped. And I just want to say I really like, I was pissed at you for a while. Me, me specifically. Yeah. We thought about it. Because you came here right from the airport. Direct, without a shower and looked like an orange. You can't, once you do a spray tan, like it develops, it's done.

But I did hear that you smelled good. I smelled like shit. No, thank you. Thank you. Like, I just needed to get that off there. I just was so damn orange and I was so self-conscious of it. And I just remember thinking like, oh, stop being nice, Carolyn. Where does it get you?

I just think it's really important and healthy to just clear the air. And congratulations on the pregnancy as well. Thank you. No, just talk your shit. But like, I have not talked to you since. And so I just needed to clear the air. Thank you, Carolyn. And I'm sorry.

Thank you. It's great to have you. Are you enjoying the seasons of Traders? I enjoy every season because it's a good show. No, I love this show. I think that it's impossible to have a bad episode. It's great. I think that it's always crazy, though, towards the end,

you get so many people where it's like, I'm sorry, but that Steve, I don't want to talk crap about that, Stephen, but has he even been there? I'd be pissed if I were him. I don't know if you all know him or I didn't know his like history or I don't really want. Wasn't he Laguna Beach? Yes.

Yeah. I was like, he's not been on the screen at all, am I right? But it's a lot of quiet people left, I feel like. Mm-hmm. It is. Yeah. Kristen. Eric.

Eric. Stephen. Rob. Rob. Rob is quiet. Yeah. He's quiet. He's quiet.

But he's a good narrator. He's doing stuff. And he's a traitor. so he's auto going to get screen time and he's interesting enough. You know what I'm saying? I just feel like, and I know that with this show,

it's the traitors. The traitors are going to get more screen time. I just feel like with the ones left, it's like they are quiet. But, so it's like times like this where you really do, you notice when, like, Michael was banished. You notice when Colton's murdered because it's like, at the time,

you're kind of like, shut these people up. But then once they're gone, it's like, it's quiet. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's a, it's a lesson in reality TV in general that like sometimes be careful what you wish for because of fans, as I'm sure you know, will like speak up and they'll complain about some of the people who are the loudest and maybe obnoxious at a certain episode or not. But like you're right, as soon as they go, what's their left to watch or or in a house,

like usually the attention then will like now that Colton's gone. Like, where's the attention going to go, you know? Exactly. And they're quiet. So, but it's great. How do you feel like Candace handled herself at the roundtable? She went in there, I'm sure. And I hate talking like this because it's like, it's not like I won. So I'm kind of like learning to like shut that heck up at times because it's like my round table was awful. I'll like, I'll own that. Like, who. She went in there obviously without having like the numbers or without talking to people. So it's like he got so far. Rob in the game with having so many allies, she doesn't have the same amount of allies. You would assume that probably Durinda might stick with her or Johnny. And they vote against her, but it's like, I don't know what else she would have really said. He was, he looked nervous.

There was no evidence against Rob, you know, to be able to even come at him. It would have been better to go for somebody else, but too many people were piled on her. Yeah, I was about to say, I feel like she should have switched gears and maybe like put the heat back on someone they were already thinking like Natalie, because there wasn't any evidence against her either besides like you've been consistent this whole time and now you do a throwaway vote. Like stupid.

That's your like, she's a traitor. Like what? Well, I feel like Candace probably knew that her time was coming up. It felt like I feel like the throwaway vote was her kiss of death. I give her a lot of props in the turret just because at that point, it's just like if you're going to go, go out with a bang. And I feel like her. wanting to kill Colton, knowing that Colton was Rob's biggest ally.

Like, it was definitely a choice. And maybe you could have said, oh, if she doesn't kill Colton, maybe she would have bought herself time. But I don't know. It felt like Rob was pretty committed. And I feel like Candace knew that. So if you're going to go, go out like the way she did, do the most damage on your way out. I felt like that was like, at least for the fans, everyone appreciated that murder.

We were happy to see him go. And she went out with a bang. And I actually love her for it. And it's just like, if you're going to go, go big. And she went big. I just don't feel like there was any way out for her anyways. There wasn't. But it's because he's got so many people.

He's got so many allies. And so she clearly was playing like the faithful trade. Gosh, my voice sounds like a horse. Oh, oh. So she, like I'm loose. I yell a lot in real life. So she was playing like a faithful trader game. And for a while, I was like, wow.

these traders are getting together. They're strategizing. This is what it looks like for them to get along. And then I found myself kind of being like, hey, I wish that they'd kind of fight. And then once they started to like dismantle, I was like, why can't they get along? So I've kind of come to the conclusion that I'll never be satisfied. But it was, I think that she was good TV. She was interesting. I feel like Rob is playing one of the best games we've seen on traders in a long time, whether he's a faithful or a traitor. It's really been, not that I've ever. played and you have played so like i can say i have no notes you know like i know what it's like to be in the castle but it seems really impressive oh he took notes from you guys last season right starting off

i don't i want to set the expectation with the traders that were a team where a united front but at the right time he knew when the flip to switch and it really seems to be all about timing you really you know it's it's funny watching rob play like chess with all his housemates or castlemates or whatever you want to call him. But he really is. He's thinking multiple steps ahead. He is planning his murders out. And it's really been impressive.

And we were talking last week, I just don't see how he's not going to win this game because you know, you saw Eric's reaction when he found out that Rob was a traitor. It's like he couldn't believe it. There's a sense of loyalty that these people have to Rob.

You know, that's like seems deeper than just like game playing. And now he's like, I don't think anyone's going to turn on him, even if they start wondering if Rob's a traitor. No, the fact that after Candace came for Rob the way she did at the table and then stood up and said, I'm a traitor. And then Kristen and Eric are having the conversation of like, maybe it's just like someone, it can't be Rob.

God, that sweet, sweet man, it just just can't. None of y'all are like, hey, why did the traitor come so hard for Rob? Yeah, they're acting as if like there's this no possible way the producers would ever knight him as a traitor, the sweet, sweet angel boy that he. is. And it's just like, you know, it's possible because it's a game. Donna Kelsey, for example. Yeah. Like, sweet, sweet Donna Kelsey was a traitor. Like, I'm just like, why are we not seeing that? And he made a point to say when he was walking out. He was like, did she not think that I made relationships with everyone and talk to everybody? Like, that, like, he's pretty much

saying, like, I'm good with everyone here, which I think should also be kind of like a red flag for faithful. I agree. What do you think, Carolyn? I think he's doing really well. And I think I can't see a world where he does not win right now because of the relationships. And that's something I fail that miserable girl. Because you really do. You have to build strong relationships with all these people. And he's doing it, but you see it. I remember even with when nobody was talking to Ron, he was that person who was actually

giving him the time of day and speaking with him. And it seemed real. It seemed genuine. So you can just see it. He seems like, I don't want to compare him to like other people from like past seasons, but he does. He seems like such a faithful. So it's, I can't see him not winning. How does that I am curious when someone says, oh, he seems like such a faithful.

When you're inside the castle, I know it's different when we're watching it back. Can you describe a faithful like in terms of how they speak in gameplay where like when someone is like, oh, he's playing such a faithful game? What does that look like? for example, on my season, towards the end, it was like, Lord Iver, that's a faithful. Or Crishel was another one where it was like, she is a fit. You could just tell by how she spoke, how she genuinely just seemed like scared all the time and nervous. And it's just something that they give off. I know I have a hard time explaining this.

It's, or even like, I feel like Kristen this season looks like a faithful. Same with Tara is another one. And maybe it's due to her seeming, you know, a little clueless sometimes. They're like, I can't see Tara ever getting banished at the wrong table, you know. No one would vote for her. You've never heard her name, you don't. But I also think a lot of people, because you were a traitor, I think a lot of people leading up to you being ousted, there was a lot of like, oh, a lot of shock about finding out you were a traitor before. What was the energy that you were giving off that felt so faithful at the time?

Just myself. And there's no way this weirdo could be a traitor, I think. Truly, like, I feel like people just was like, she's scatterbrain. She's emotional. She, I think what a lot of people were saying was there's no way she would be able to do it. She would tell everybody. She would blurt it out. So it's just me, I guess, being myself is enough to be like, ain't no way she could handle it. Did you lean into that? Like, where did you come in with that self-awareness where it's just like, I know what people are going to think about me. I know what is often said about me and I'm going to, you know, I'm going to lean into that and use that to my advantage. Absolutely. But it's like I don't even need to lean into it. If I, if anything, I had to like turn it, like, I had to like to turn it down a little bit because

I was coming out just so loud and so, so just confronting people before we had even picked the traders. And because I truly just wanted to have fun and I thought that this game was, was, obviously, It's campy. It's fun. So I wanted to just be loud and out there. But then once you're picked, obviously, it gets scary. It's like, I don't want to be banished. And I think that's what stinks about this game. And you hear so many people say, because people will be like, why aren't you louder at the roundtable? Because you're afraid of getting banished. It does, I feel like this, this game sometimes doesn't reward getting out a traitor. And I love how the Canada version does so they get money added to the prize pot if they get out a traitor. And I think that that

art. Otherwise, you have, you know, the people who keep their traitor angels around. I haven't really been seeing that this season, though, the traitor angel thing. And when you say traitor angel, it's that like a faithful thinking they know who the traitor is, but keeping it to themselves and then protecting that traitor? Yes, and not voting them out. So, I mean, I think even Dylan knew that Boston, you had a pretty good idea that Boston Rob was a traitor, had pretty good understanding that Danielle was a traitor. I, but you wouldn't. wait till the end to get him out. Do you think we're going to see a stark difference in Eric if he accepts to join as a traitor?

No. You don't think so? I don't think he'll be able to be like, I'm the same. I was shocked by this choice because, well, because in the past, you know, you want to bring somebody in that already has a little bit of heat. But he, this is just telling me that Rob really genuinely wants to bring this person to the end and win with him. And that's what he said. And I'm like, wow. because I could see both of them getting to the end and he actually wants to split the money.

Versus I feel like I always have that thought of like whoever they bring into the turret, they're just going to screw over in the end. He's not thinking like that. But Eric, yeah, I feel like, again, another example of like he's so faithful. Yeah, he is. It'll be really interesting to see how Eric handles that type of pressure. Because you could see Eric getting into, you could see anyone getting into their head about like, do they have to change something?

But I feel like Eric's best move would be to try to change nothing, but it's probably easier said than done. But he's been pretty, I feel like he's been pretty calm. He's been pretty chill. What if now he's like super on edge? I could see that too. I could picture Rob turning on Eric.

Not because for the money. No. If it was necessary. No. Oh, if it was necessary. That's the same thing with Candace. It was necessary. Or with Lisa Renna, sorry.

It was necessary. Yeah, I don't think at the end he would screw anyone over. and like do what, you know, they did to MJ. Well, it brings up an interesting point. It is just a game. And there's a lot of discourse online nowadays. And it seems- Carolyn said no.

All right. So tell us about that, Caroline. Because, like, we, you're getting to the point in the game where obviously fans get connected to their favorite characters. And when they get voted off, we get a little upset. We get in the comments. And sometimes we lose sight that it is just a game. You have Candace, Rob's in the comments,

literally being like, it's only a game, Candace. He said that in this episode. What is your take on that? Anybody who says it's just a game, I want to see your ass out there and see how you feel when you're in that castle. It's not like you can say it's just a game. Of course it's just a game. We get it. Like we don't need.

I hate when people say that. I really, I do it because it's like when you're in it and I'm sorry some people can just look at people like chess pieces and not everybody can. So whether it's right or wrong. or it's an emotional game. It's an emotionally charged game. And we take a huge chunk of our lives and we put it into this castle and we leave our loved one. You know what I'm saying?

It's a big deal. So for me, she obviously came into, Candice, obviously came into this game thinking, or once she got chosen as a traitor, I'm going to play this loyal trader game. And I think that she was really surprised by it. And I think that she, I feel like she handled herself so well. and she could have done so much more to him and she's not. So I hope we see it at the reunion. Yes, I do. Because, yes, it's like he sure is that I didn't do anything to, like, help her out.

Yeah. Which that's not his job to do anyway to an extent. So if her name was out there and everybody was saying it, but he also, he contributed to that as well. That makes sense. So you're kind of saying that, like, game or not, these people have a right to feel upset or feel slighted or feel like they got stabbed. in the back because Rob literally did that game or not, and they have a right to defend themselves. Let her go off. Yes.

I believe that. Like, it's like, it's just, and that's the worst thing to say to, especially after she's already on to you, you just told her that her name's everywhere. She's set up, you set her up with the Colton thing. And now you're going to be like, it's just a game. Shut. I'd be pissed. Whether he's playing great or not. this is emotional. Of course it is. How much

conversations about the prize money is often discussed in the house? Who did we see earlier? It was Tiffany. And it touched me when she was like, I need this money. And it was like, and then she got voted out. And it was like hard for me to be like, did anyone not hear her? Are we just going to like kick her off right away? But like, does that get brought up in the castle? And does that is used as either way to win over affection or is that coming from a place of sincerity for people? Like, how do you perceive those comments being talked about in the house? For the most part, people are so damn rich on this show. It's just us gamers that really are like the broke ones.

Or is that offensive? We're the ones who are like the real people. Because, come on, we're out there with housewives with people who are rich as hell. And so 200,000 or how much is it, 250? It's not this, like, substantial amount of money. And for me even, I'm not some rich-ass person, but I still even looked at the prize money of like, yeah, that's great. But I would rather be on the show longer. You know what I'm saying?

And ultimately win. But I don't, on my season, yes, of course, there were people who would talk about the prize money and really needing the money. I didn't do that. I really didn't. And I would say only a few did. And typically it's like the gamers. But yeah, that did touch me. because I feel like for the most part, there's so many people who have so much money and it's just not even looked at. It's not. So even I was surprised this season when they would talk about like, well, this person can add money to the prize pot. We were not, I didn't never even knew what the prize pot was up to because I was like, you get, and then you're splitting it. It's not a ton, you know, but I was proud of her for saying that because honestly, you're out there with a room full of people that you feel,

and I can speak for myself and even just some of the other like gamer people that played where you just feel so out of place and in this world of like what are you even talking about? I don't live like that. You know what I'm saying? It's a different world. So I'm glad she just said that. It was like, no, I need this money because most of them probably they're not, they're wiping their butts with that. Well said.

If Rob doesn't win, what will be his fatal mistake? I can't see him at this point. making a mistake. I really can't. I can't. I don't know what he is possibly going to do. And the reason I'm saying this is because he has so many people with him. He's got the allies. So at this point, it's just about who am I going to screw over or Eric possibly turning on him. But I can't see Eric doing that. So he may as well just give him the crown. It's like honestly, I can't even see who they're going to try to pin the next roundtable on. I mean, let's just going to say it. It's like, I feel Like they kind of were going to have to take a different role, though,

because right now it's been, like, kind of traitor on traitor. Yeah. That's the only part. I feel like, can create me if I'm wrong, Carolyn. This is, like, a pivotal time in the game. Speaking about, like, reality TV in general, like, like, you said, like, even, like, if you're watching The Bachelor, right, right? The villain, all of a sudden, all the attention in early weeks is all on this one person.

And then, like, the house kind of was like, you suck. You're not here for the right reasons. Leave, leave the house. And then, like, the next week, all of a sudden the attention turns on to, someone else, right? Because the attention always has to go to someone. And because now Candace has gone, Renna's gone,

they had all the attention on them, the energy is going to have to shift to someone. And it's going to be kind of like, it's going to be a lot of like Colton style where he's just throwing out names. I was like, do you think Robin, Eric are going to have to be like agents of chaos

trying to like start hinting towards? Well, a little bit. Yeah, they're almost like they're going to have to start throwing out some names. Rob might as well just embrace the Colton role, which is just to like be the ring leader, kind of be in charge of like, this kind of ally ship that they have and really start like.

My thing is that I'm like, if Rob gets too comfortable, I feel like speaking up and whatnot. I'm like Johnny and a bunch of people who did talk to Candice do know that she was gunning for him, that I'm just like if he goes into a position of like a Colton and being loud and in front, wouldn't that kind of also put him up on a chopping block? Because he hasn't played that way this whole time.

Yeah, I'm curious, Carolyn, how would you, like to Sierra's point, like Rob said in the episode, it's only a matter of time before they connect the dots, which I think is true, right? the fact that Candace did put Rob's name on there twice, if I'm part of the roundtable and we get a traitor right, I would always be curious, especially this far into the game, I would want to

know what name did that trader put on their card, right? It's clear that the traders, I don't know what you're allowed to say, Carolyn, but it seems clear that you guys have an extra set of rules as traders. And it sounds like number one rule is to not out, you can't out your fellow traders, but you can you can play the game you can accuse them in the house you can vote against them that's the only power you have and it always seems to be a part of the season where the traders might turn on each other and I would just if nothing else would note that traitor and who they voted for but I wonder if the the the friendship these all have will blind them to the fact that like rob's name has been on candace's car two weeks in a row and that's not nothing

And but look at what they all said right after the, right after she wrote the name. They were all brushing it off. So I don't see right now a world where all of a sudden it's like, we better look at that. I don't right now. And it's not like there's that many episodes left. It does feel like a lot of people who are just on his side regardless. So I just don't. I don't call me like, I don't see it.

He's got so many people. He has got so many people. So him writing or Gant is writing his name, so many. people just brushed it off. If anything, Johnny, like, Johnny's next. What's moving? Johnny's next. Natalie is going to be soon after.

She has no, or it seems like at this point, no real allies in the game or no really strong connection. So it's like, she's essentially screwed too. I love to Tara. Tara was just like, you know, whoever Johnny tells me to vote for, you know, and she's just like acknowledges it. Like, I'm just, I'm open for business. Marra being like, what about Johnny and Tara?

like, no. Well, then Rob also has the, what, the dagger six or whatever. Oh, yeah, he has the two daggers still. But he has the daggers, but his, like, his allies are like this, the people that took the pact with him to, like, not out who had the dagger. So he already has, like, those people as an alliance. Yep, he's winning. I mean, I just, I don't, he's been so even killed. He's been just so good at everything.

Where's he going wrong? I don't see him just, like, getting emotional and slipping or I don't see Eric. he sure as hell ain't going to turn on him so they're good I'd be shocked if they don't win really I agree this has been fun Carolyn thank you

and now especially now that we're we're friends again sorry no I'm not sorry yeah thank you anything you want to plug before we let you go no I'm good right now

because I'm not good with like go to this site or go to the well what's your Instagram tell you what's your Instagram it's so it's Carolyn Rose but the O's are zeros I need to change that

how do I do that I think in settings. Usually I'll change username, maybe. I don't know. But you know what I'm saying? When my name, like, I have to say that every single time. Like, the O's are zeros. People are like, what the hell?

Yeah, back in 2009. I have to be like Natalie Joy, two ins. Like, I'll never care about this. Throwing a couple underscores. Yeah. Random X here in there. It sucks. But no, thank you.

You guys are doing a good job. It looks really, really pretty there, too. Something changed. I can't put my finger on it. It's a new building. It looks good. Yeah, it looks good. Great seeing you, Carolyn. You're the best. Bye.

Thank you. I love her so much. Should we get into some Beverly Hills? I, listen, I, I'm going to try to, I'm going to defend Amanda a little bit here. Not because I'm not saying she is a flawless person without criticism, but here's what I, the whole scene where you have Dorit, Kyle, Dorit, and. At Kyle and Erica's birthday party? No. Was it Bose there?

Are you talking about the dinner? Are you talking about the final scene? Like a little lunch? Oh, the dinner? It was Rachel, DeReed, and Sutton. And they were like, it was kind of giving me, it was just like, why, if Amanda's so bad, why are these women even wasted? I know they're making a TV show.

But, like, the fact that they had to sit there and just, like, talk about this new woman on the show and just, like, they were, like, looking for things to, like, oh, like, are you supposed to say you're in a call? Blah, blah, blah. Isn't that weird? or you, like, it's like, to Amanda's point, it's just like, they're like, oh, we need to find out more about this person. And then like, this person literally is admitting they're in a cult. Like, they're just, they're putting it out there. They're saying that the worst thing I could admit about myself is that I was in a cult and I want to admit it. And then they're having a lunch being like, but she admitted she's in a cult. There's got to be more. Like what, it's like they're trying too hard to bring Amanda down. And I feel like they look bad doing it, even though their, their criticisms, it might be valid. And yeah, man, it says things that are annoying

and like one-upy and things like that. But it's just like they're trying too hard to make her look bad. I think it splits the crowd, though, because I feel like those women genuinely do feel that way. Like Rachel's been kind of raising eyebrows left and right. I'm surprised Bose wasn't a part of that. But I do feel like the unfortunate thing

is that that is the reality. Sometimes the things that bond people together as a common enemy or somebody that you don't like and you're literally just watching a girl's group chat at lunch where I'm like, so it seems mean, It seems the same way that we're like Taylor Swift can call someone a bitch and da-da-da-da, where I'm like, you're just watching that. But instead of it being in text, they're sitting down having a glass of wine and saying, hey, this person that we're forced to hang out with, I don't like. You don't like. You don't like. Okay. So why is she rubbing us the wrong way. And I'm just like, yeah, because it's an unnatural environment of where you're forced to hang out with somebody that you probably wouldn't fuck with on the regular. Yeah. I think you're right, Nick. I think the way that Doree brought it up shows that because they were at the table talking about nothing to do with it. And she goes, well, you were in a cult, right?

And it's kind of like you were waiting to bring that up at some point kind of vibes. Like that's if that was removed. It's also that's such a weird gotcha. You know what I mean? Well, because her story reads is this like I got caught up in this weird group, kind of religious aspects of it. And then I kind of realized they were like I was in a cult, which is like a kind of an empowering thing. And most people stuck in these cult like groups don't realize it. Don't get themselves out of it.

And yet this is being spun is something that's still negative about her. And there must be more darkness or shady things about her because she was someone who once joined a cult. I mean, Bose, oh my God. Bose is never wrong. Left no crumbs. Bose is never wrong. She's literally never been wrong in her entire life. But her being like, you expect everyone to respond in a way that is acceptable to you?

Like, how are you going to enforce that? Girlie, you're on. The real housewise of Beverly Hills. Can I purchase this on the manifest in the money? Also, my thing with that, how I took Bo saying that was her being like, girl, we are on housewives. You want people to have a calm conversation with you? Our job is to verbally accost each other. Like, give me the, give me a break.

I think in Amanda's perfect world when she prompted during that dinner, she was like, do you want to go somewhere else and talk about it? And it was like, no, I'll talk about it right here, good and great. Like, I feel like that to her was kind of like you're making it a public spectable. and therefore it's like with raising your voice or making an accusation at me that's no longer making me feel safe, which like I get. But however, to Bose's point, you're on a TV show for Bravo that is about housewives verbally accosting each other. And two, you're not going to, no one's going to present something when they're angry with you

in a way that's going to make you feel comfortable to discuss it. You also have the ability to pick up the phone and say, hey, let's meet up for coffee. Hey, I don't want to, I don't want to continue this. But it's like, you can't call somebody childish in the way that they choose to bring something up but then also not give another solution as to how to solve it. Yeah. And also her punting it to Kyle was... I thought that was an iconic dinner. I was like, take the

torch Kyle and then Erica chime me and being like, come on, Doree. I was like, this is perfect. Erica's sitting there quiet the whole time. And then Dorete says, okay, can you shut up for one second? And Erica's like, that was too far. But that is Eric's, that's thing, though. Erica was always the person that was like handled this respectfully. And she'll let you fight your war. And then she'll make, okay, well, that was... It's also Erica's birthday.

And Doree's birthday. It's birthday, too. But I'm just like, it's Erica's birthday as well. And she's like, come on you guys. No, Doree, when she said, yeah. I was like, okay, we've become children. I'm sorry. We've lost the plot of the argument, but I love it. My thing with the Kyle and Doreet stuff is I'm just like, I don't care anymore.

Like, yeah, just kiss. I care about it. I mean, yeah. But it's just, obviously, Kyle's divorce experience is different than Doreet's divorce experience. And they just need to both, like, get over their shit. Because I don't care. and I would like a new storyline that doesn't involve PK.

But I do need Kyle to start being like, I don't know, I haven't talked to Mo about that. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, Mo and I have not had those conversations. I don't know what PK is saying. But Kyle continuously is like, PK is saying something different. I don't know.

P.K. is telling Mo the complete opposite. She's still friends with him clearly. You are putting yourself in the middle. Yeah, to that point, you can't, how could you be friends with Kyle? I know. I agree. I just like am sick of it.

I just need Kyle. stop doing it. If there's ever a time you're your friends to rally around you, it's going through a very messy divorce where your former partner, the person who you thought you were teammates with, you raised children with, are now making moves that feel like an attack on you in your family. And, and yeah, Kyle's like, but I've heard, it's like, you know, one of the most frustrating things someone can say to you when they're like making an argument was like, I'm just, you know, other people are saying that, you know, like, stuff like that where you kind of speak for other people like you know more that they don't.

That's not what I heard. It's not what I heard. It just mentally fucks with you. And like the, the REIT's fragile state of mind and this very fragile time to like not be entirely sure if Kyle is on your side. And it and yeah, and because Kyle, Kyle has like what the dream divorce, it seems like I don't want to like I don't know what it's like to be in Kyle's shoes. I understand that divorce is difficult. What we see on TV, Kyle has. What we see. She still has this very respectful, very beautiful relationship with her still husband, who still values the family, who still, like, Mo's, whatever he's doing on the side, the fact that he's DJing now is wild.

Oh, my God, I was going to wait. I was going to wait. DJ momentum. That was wild. I'm done. I'm done. So the new midlife crisis, I'm convinced, is instead of buying a Corvette or a sports cart, now you'll just get a fucking tape deck and fucking now you're a DJ.

That's the thing. That's the thing. Kyle's biggest problem in this. divorce is her ex-husband, I guess, you know, legally whatever, is DJing and still willing to make fun of himself and he can roll his eyes at himself and his daughters can give him shit and they can still become together as a family. Meanwhile, P.K. is trying to destroy, like, it must feel to Derreet that he's trying to destroy her. Yeah. And anytime Kyle suggests that he's, she's heard something different or that she doesn't totally believe

Doreat must be so infuriating and just like honestly feels like she's not my friend. I do wonder to where I'm like I kind of feel like Doreet has a little bit of not like not jealousy what's the word I'm looking for but like in the sense of like she feels like Kyle could never be resentment maybe because Kyle can't put herself in in Dorete's shoes because she doesn't she's not trying to either exactly but I'm like because that's the thing where I'm like, I don't think that the advice that Kyle gave was wrong or bad by any means. That it's like at the end of the day, we've watched it happen with Erica with her lawsuit that it's

like they will go back and they can take things out of contacts. And if you're sitting here saying that he's a terrible father and all that stuff and he can prove otherwise, what does that mean for your custody? Like, so it's like for what Kyle's saying is not bad advice. It's how she's going about it and when she's trying to present it, which I'm just like the amount of boring, yeah, the amount of boring scenes I get of one-on-one fucking housewives conversations, why can't this be one of them? Yeah. Because that one would actually be worth watching and make sense being like, hey, I'm coming to you because I love you and I care about you.

And I know that we've been estranged and it's hard to like hear what I'm saying because I'm not in your shoes. But I'm saying this because I care about you. But when it seems like you're going to Amanda, Amanda Francis of all people who knows her the least and talking to other cast members about it, then it doesn't come off as genuine when you say it at the dinner table. But it also does make sense as to why she accepts it coming from both. versus Kyle.

Exactly. Oh, that was a great flashback. She was like, yeah, but yeah, it is coming from all she, it seems like all she wants to hear from Kyle is. Like, I hear you, I see you, and I'm sorry that this is happening to you. And like, I wish that he could stop.

I wish he would stop. Yeah. With the Kyle and Amanda stuff specific, whoa, Kyle and Amanda, Kyle and Amanda. Sorry. The Bravo crossover is universe. Anyway, well, with Beverage, Hills, Kyle and Amanda. Crystal, actually, on Humble Brague was saying something interesting, which was that Kyle just wants a good show. And so I, in her perspective, so watching,

when I was watching Beverly Hills after like listening to that episode, I was like, huh, the way Kyle kind of works d'Ree is very much, there is a potential that it's like, she's continuing this narrative about Piquet to make a show versus to be there for a friend. I don't know. Could be. If I got invited. to guest DJ. Would you support that? No. What's on your playlist?

No, because you have to practice. You can't just show up and know how to work a turntable. You're also about to have three children. What if it was just, I have always had a dream. Have you had a dream? I'm sorry, you should have chased that earlier in life. There's got to be a list, right?

There's got to be a list of, like, a bucket list of things we haven't accomplished yet. Like, maybe we put that one down like a little fruit. Do you have a gut dream to be a DJ? No. Do you think Did you ever think it was cool? Do you think Mo would ever open for Kyle

since Kyle got to start first? I don't know. I feel like BravoConn and Day 2. DivorceCon? I'm Divorce Con. Divorce Con. They would too. It would be like BravoCon day two,

DJ Mo at 930 a.m. Just so you know all the DJ sets start at 930 a.m. Oh my gosh. So early. These people are getting hype for DJ Durinda Medley. Kyle's way too late though.

And then Kyle's was at 1.30 a.m. Which also checks out. Yeah. Of course. He was like, I don't want the morning. I don't, bravo con. No, no, no, no. Like, I can be in bed.

Well, you know. Yeah, Mo and Kyle can do day shift night shift. There you go. There we go. I don't know. I was out there at night too. Yeah, I'd go. I'd watch.

That's important. You'd be in the streets. I would support too, yeah. I'll be at home, in bed, asleep. All right. Well, that will do it for today's episode. Get ready for a very exciting going deeper where we announced the next three farmers for Farmer Wants a Wife.

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