The Viall Files - E1087 - Heather Shaw Talks Love Is Blind, Traitors Finale/Reunion, RHOBH, Actor Awards & Jim Carrey's Clone

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

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everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the Val Files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by the household my lovely wife my magical wife okay sure magical wife magical guys we um we went out last night oh the sag awards the actors awards yeah presented by sag aftra yeah they changed it they changed the name this year when netflix well when Netflix officially took it I think they transitioned to the actors awards because I think a lot of people don't know like union names as well and don't know what SAG is. So actor awards makes more sense.

We were invited because we are part of the Netflix family. And it was so funny because we pull up and we did not attend the awards. We, you know, we had to put our daughter to sleep. Unfortunately, we were also not invited. We were also not invited. But so we like, you know, called an Uber, went to this event and they like pull up to the thing

And I've never been a part of this before. But the guy, like, rolls down the window or the woman rolls down the window. And the, like, security guards come up to her and they're like, are you chauffeur? She's like, no, I'm Uber. And, like, I'm just dropping them off. And they're like, okay, we'll have the dog search your car. I'm sorry. Never in my life have I seen that.

She was like. For all the, like, Golden Globes or the Oscars or Leah parties, like, I mean, with the high profile people that attend, excluding us. They search. They searched. They're searching vehicles. You know, the mirrors and the cars and the dogs. So they were like, do you have your pass? So Nick showed them the pass that we have.

It says like chauffeur parking pass or whatever. They're like, so are you talent? And we're like, yeah. And they're like, but you're in an Uber? And we're like, yeah. Like, sorry, that's just confusing. What car? I'm like.

We upgraded. Because we don't have a driver. Like, I don't know because like Polly isn't driving us. Which one's more unrealistic that I, counterfeit this past directly or that I just took an Uber. Right. I didn't come from the event.

And then I kept wanting to like, he's like, so you're talent. And I'm like, Nick and I are like, yeah. We are. March 11th. Just pull up the trailer and show them. Pull up the trailer. We are Netflix talent.

Do you see this? Yeah, we are just one day more than a week away. That was a weird way of saying. One day more than a week away. March 11th, Age of Attraction releases on Netflix. I'm so excited. So we are Netflix

talent, so we did go to the after party. And we did run into, if y'all remember, a few episodes ago, we talked about maybe there's a name. Was it last week? It was last week. Last week we talked about there was maybe an actor's

name that we were like wanting to potentially use as inspo for one of our daughter's names. Emphasis on actor because... Actor awards. What? I'm just saying it could be a man, it could be a woman. Oh, yes, gender neutral. You know, we love a general neutral, we love a general neutral general neutral, general neutral? Can't talk. Apparently River is more of a boy's name than a girl's

name. Says who? We don't care. Interesting. Yeah, says who. Anyway. So, yeah, anyways, so we ran into said actor and I was like, no, but first, I mean, we were at, we were at this party. We ran into a few people we don't know. But this is a lot of us and Natalie standing at a table. Like ran into is crazy. Seeing out of like seeing at the next table over Kay Hudson not running into but seeing her

being in the same room as her. Yeah. It's a lot of Natalie eyes standing at a table having a conversation with each other. I mean like oh my brother. Don't turn too quick. There's Michael be Jordan. There's Michael Jordan. But I was like Natalie, that's them. They're they're right there. Like we could

ask them. But they were talking to a lot of people. They were like in the back of, they were seated in a couch like this. Okay. Like facing the party surrounded by people. So it wasn't like a we could go up, tap a shoulder, you know. Wasn't it approachable. We didn't want to do the whole thing when they're eating. Sorry for, sorry for interrupting your meal. So we're like, we'll just wait till maybe they'll hit the dance floor. They'll need a drink, you know, but we had this, we were going to DM them, you know. We're like, this is so much better of a story. then Natalie told me my breast stank.

And I was like, I need a mint. And then I was like, oh my God, I'm getting lightheaded. I need to sit down. So then Nick's like there's a couch. Let's go sit down on the couch. And then it said reserve for Jason Bateman. And I was like, well, it was surrounded by security guards, like, removing people. Okay.

Yeah. So I was like, I don't know. I don't need to be the like woman who's like, I'm pregnant. I'm going to sit in Jason Bateman's couch and like wait for him to get here. I would support it. Then we did venture to the bathroom. where I said, you know what, there is a safe seat in the bathroom and it is sitting on the toilet. So I'm going to go and I'm going to sit down in the bathroom to rest my feet for a moment.

And so we did that. And when we come out, Nick's like, they're right there. They're right there. Literally fate of like. Just us. Was about to leave grabbing a pop-up bagels to go order of dessert, whatever. And I was like, this is my moment. I have to ask.

And so I did. And we got the blessing. Oh, my God. got the lesson. That's huge. Our poor other twin is going to be like, what? What about me? That's the thing.

We don't, I don't, you know. How do you feel about Lindsay Lohan? And how approachable is Ms. Liz. Wait, guys, all you have to do is just go to another one of these events. Yeah. And just check the guest list before. See if you like any of the names. Mandy Moore.

Mandy Moore. Yeah. Maybe Ryan Murphy. Have y'all seen the trend of like names that are other things but would be beautiful as like children's? Yes, like Viagra. Chlamydia. Yes.

Clemidiya. Beautiful. Rolls off the tongue. Rolls off the tongue. Where is that? Is that Italian? What is that? Just feel like once you know the definition, it just, no matter how beautiful of an accent it could be.

Climidia. Think about, remove what it is and think clemedia. Phonetically, it's a beautiful name. Beautiful. Say it with your eyes closed. Yeah. Climidia. What about gonorrhea?

Gronaria. You'd be so surprised. My mom works in schools and these names are names of kids that she's met. Yeah, like there's a lot of names that parents will just think they sound pretty or they'll read it on paper and think it's pretty. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, it's very common. Well, speaking of Ryan Murphy, has anybody watched Love Story? No, but I need to.

I started watching it this weekend and I just feel like I've experienced such an epic failure having waited so long to start this as it came out last month right before Valentine's Day. The way that this show is shot is like it feels like it's a show straight out of the 90s. It's giving sex in the city. giving romance, it's giving New York, it's giving longing. The man who plays John F. Kennedy Jr., swoon. Carolyn Bassett character, she's phenomenal.

I want long hair, I want to flip it over on a constant. I even want to start smoking again. But, yes. Wait, smoking's having to come back, and I'm like so sad. I know. I know. It just looks so cool. I know. Kids are falling for it. They're falling for it. They are. I did it the first go around.

We're not drinking anymore. No, but they're smoking six. No, they're doing both. Sorry. The definitive say, Mary said, we're doing both. Mary's like I bought some kids beer the other day. I got a pack of rides in my back pocket. No, you guys, sorry. I'm a pastor's daughter.

Cut all that. But yeah, no, I didn't watch it for a while because, obviously, it was a, Brian Murphy's an executive producer, and I kind of have a weird relationship with his biopics. I feel like he takes a lot of liberties. You were worried that he was going to have the two leads make out with their siblings? 100%. Like, I was just like, I didn't know where we were going.

in the sense of like if we're going to do an accurate telling, but it's based off of a book series and the creators and writers, he's just an executive producer, but like I would slap my name on that too because this project is phenomenal and I just, I highly recommend it. Well, he needs something good. I currently have beef with Ryan Murphy.

Oh, tell me about it. What's your beef? Personal beef. Here's what happens. So Ryan Murphy obviously doing the next season of American Horror Story. It's going to be a return to Coven. He's bringing the witches back.

He's bringing the witches back. I'm excited. Which is huge. However, John Waters, who I do have, if you are on video, on my desk right here, love that man, is going to be in it. And here is what I just would like to say. Instead of giving Ryan Murphy a budget to do all of his stuff that's maybe sometimes good, give that money to John Waters so he can make a weird movie with Aubrey Plaza. That's all I have to say.

All right. I like it. That is very personal. That is very personal. That's all. I just needed to say that. If you know, you know. And I don't.

Well, we have a great episode lined up for you all today. We have stand-up comedian Heather Shaw joining us. She is absolutely hilarious. And a big love is blind traitors and Beverly Hills fans. So she's watching it all. So she is with us to help break down a lot of the TV that we watched over the weekend. And a lot to talk about with my favorite line of the weekend. Which was?

I'm going to have a beautiful house from Florida. A potential trust in Dubai And a safe house in New Zealand And the wife and kids might not be her But I will have one of those too Ashley's great But in five years I see myself with a better wife Literally

He didn't say better but he was like Probably Brunette Yeah probably Brunette It was in drive Dark features shorter My favorite tweet I saw about that Was about Alex being like That's an incredibly smart way to say

You're unemployed Yeah Yeah Every time he talked. But he just said it with such confidence. He says everything with such confidence, and I don't believe a word of it. He's got three job offers in different states. He talks like a 17-year-old.

Like that's how I, you know, in 17, you're like, you know, in five years, I'm going to drive a BMW. But like, why does he need a safe house? Also, I thought about this because like, just in case the world goes to shit. I think he's in a, that's what I assume he means. And, you know, every once in a while as a family man than I am now and, you know, kids, in the state of the world sometimes gets a little scary for sure. even though I try not to be a doomsday type of person, but I always think to myself, what if?

Would you go bunker? Would you go panic room? Oh boy. Well, I'd go lake house. I'd go claustrophobic. But I thought, you know, like the lake house would probably, we would make our last stand at the lake house. Well, you could like trap someone on the lake.

You know what I mean? But all, but every time I thought about this, I'm like, man, that lake house is kind of far away. That is true. You know, like what happens? I don't know when I, I don't know when I'm going to need said, we got to go to the place, you know, the safe house. You're the place that people find in like season four that's been like untouched.

But how is Alex getting to New Zealand? Yeah. Isn't that kind of far away for a place? Right. If doomsday's happening, like what are you going to board a flight and head out now? Hey, things are getting really bad. I'm going to catch a flight. You're going to pick the longest.

Then he's got to go to Dubai. Well, here's the thing. He has a lot of his ex-girlfriends all over. So they'll let him know early. Or current girlfriends. Or current girlfriends potentially. They'll let him. know early and then he can get to the bunker.

Maybe two in the same month. Well, Heather Shaw is with us and she will join us momentally to get into it all. Also, don't forget, our merch drop is going fast. Supplies are limited. It's almost gone. So if you want to get your household sweatshirt, which is my new favorite sweatshirt, or the How's Your Heart sweatshirt, which is also pretty good. There's two versions of that.

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We love that. It's ad-free for all your favorite Vial Files episodes you can listen to without any interruption. We have our reality recap deep dives where we deep dive your favorite episodes. Obviously, we'll really get into the love is blind and that evolve because we can't possibly cover every granular detail

of the two episodes that we watch. Justin really wants to talk about Toy Story 5, so that's you're going to see that in there. We talked about that, yeah. We talked about Valley Persian style, too. Yeah, a little bit. We get into it.

We get into it all. We get into it all. So check it out. I'll see your pop actor episodes where we talk about all your favorite pop culture topics, like us being at the actors awards. Did you see that La Roach confirmed the red carpet that Tom Holland and Zendaya are married? I'm obsessed. Allegedly.

I mean, Laura. It's going from La Roach. Laroch is what he's put out of a room. But La Roach loves a bit. Yeah. But not a rumor. But like how chic of Zendaya to be like, I know. Guys, I don't need to make an announcement.

I don't need to post. I'm like, sure, law. If you're on a red carpet, feel free to let him know. There's something so perfect about the way that he was just like, you missed it. It's just like, do better at your jobs, guys. It's like embarrassing. Like, oh, you're still waiting. Oh, really?

They're already getting married. Well, she already did. She didn't do research. Honestly, though, not a single paparazzi or anything of like a tent from above. Like nobody knew. Oh, but you know it was so chic too. I saw a photo. Maybe it was, you did see a photo.

Of their wedding? Like, they met the altar. What? You did? I don't think. I feel like maybe that's AI. I don't know. There's also a movie that she sent where she's getting married.

Oh, to Robert Pattinson. Yeah, that's a movie. No, but this was, no. Was it Robert Pattinson in the photo? Or was Tom Holland? And again, I didn't spend a lot of time analyzing it probably was fake, but I did. I did see it. Was it grainy?

Yeah. Did it look like Big Thut? I don't know. Did you guys... I feel like it's AI. They're the best... Let me see. Well, there's a bunch and some of them

they're in different countries. Yeah, no. No, this is none of those are them. Oh, that's the one I saw. To talk on that, though, for a second, oh my God, real hospice of Orange County. Gina, I just saw a post this morning that she was talking about because I guess on Facebook,

people use Facebook AI, and they make these like completely fake stories. I don't even know how this is legal. But they put out there that like Gina announced her pregnancy and she was like it's absolutely 100% false. And they did that with Shannon Bador recently. Her boyfriend. Oh, yeah. They changed a photo that she's in with Vicky, put a man next to her and her like flashing up an engagement ring.

And it's not even a photo that actually exists. Yeah. No, it's insane. I mean, I'm still an avid Facebook user. I do like to keep up with. It's the most bizarre thing about you. I have to say. I love it.

look over. She's like on Facebook. I'm going to logged on to my Facebook and the last people I'm trying to keep up with anyone posting on Facebook. Okay. You know, sometimes I just like it's, I cut out TikTok a while ago. I'm like Facebook is saying. It would probably be a blast for me to log in. Because honestly,

it's like a whole world I left behind. No, it's like, oh my God, there's that bully who now has seven kids. And I bet a lot of them are still like interacting on Facebook just like they did before because like, right? Most generations don't, you know. I want to do. to bring back Facebook albums. Like when I go on a trip and you have like 75 to a hundred photos. Oh my God. And you just post all of them. And I want to, I literally want somebody to create an app. Maybe I'll do it where you literally just have like albums. It seems so high risk. Like imagine the thing. Like you do a little face tune and then like you post the whole album and it's like, wait, that one was in there. I was like, the Facebook albums used to terrify me because if you get tagged in like five of them and you're scrolling through and you know one of them, it's like I'm like in the background. And I'm just like, oh, and that's like, oh, and that's like, I'm.

going to live there forever. Nobody's safe. My favorite thing about Facebook albums is like, because I never had Facebook. I can never use it. But my siblings did. And so there's kind of like random parts of my, like really special moments of my entire childhood that's just like in shitty Facebook albums on a digital camera from 2006 when my sister was in high school. And it's like the sweetest thing in the whole world. It feels so warm. I also would love to be poked. You know, like I just want to go in a poke war with someone. Yeah, bring back poking. Bring back. Can we? I never. I never. Facebook mobile but like

I'm aware of what poking is but I didn't really know what it was like it was like a 101 flirt yeah I've never heard of this What is the new version of poking Is it liking a likeing a Instagram Story? Liking a story? Likeing a story is the new poking Yeah definitely like my story But also like my flirting every time I like a phone

I was in this same I know I No you're not flirting every time you like a story But you're flirting sometimes when you like a story It's a little story you're liking That's true Yeah I think I'm good Wait, Susie, what we're going to say?

I was just like really thinking through this. I'm like, I really want them to bring back. I know we have Facebook mobile like on our phone. Yeah. But it's truly Facebook in every sense. But I'm like, can they bring back Facebook mobile that's just like, it's just like lots of photo albums poking, maybe stories and like status updates? Like I just kind of want that.

But I don't want everything else that comes. I don't want marketplace. Like I don't want all the. Yeah. I love marketplace. I love marketplace too. Me too. But separately, I'm like, I feel like Facebook

Social. Yeah, like bring back like Facebook social. I kind of want to be prompted. I remember like, remember when Facebook first started and it's like, Sierra is. And it's like currently. Yeah. On AIM, find me.

You'd be like like for a TBAH. I'm in the market for a flip phone. Me too. You're trying to go off the grid. I think so. At the Lakehouse off the grid with a flip phone. I see that for you. I truly believe.

that our phones are in the internet is just like us tapped into the matrix. But I bring up Facebook because that happens all the time. Like I will be scrolling. I'm looking at, you know, my kids I grew up with in the neighborhood what they're up to these days. And then it'll be like, oh, Jason Tardick and his girlfriend, Catherine, are expecting their third baby. And it like shows a picture with it. And you're like, oh, my God, wow, that's crazy. And then it reminded me of when Chambliss texted us the picture that AI made of us.

And it is so. Who is your husband? Who are you? Oh, my gosh. Like, it's not, it's none of our faces. Oh, wow. Like, oh, wow, that's crazy. It's so scary.

It's a white guy with a beard. And he's wearing, I mean, they kept her clothes. That's wild. It's crazy because it is your name. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's not even like they're like, oh, couple in other country experiences this. They're like, no, it's Nick and Natalie. They couldn't even use our.

Like our faces. It's like, who is she? Yeah, but there's like elements that kind of, it's weird. It's almost like. You got a better, she's more attractive than him. That just like is not you. Like I've seen that man before and he's not you. Yeah, he's like on every other love is blind season.

Yeah, he's on love is blind. I feel like they had so many options of photos they could have used for us. Yeah. You know, but I guess. I don't know. Anyways, I want to flip them. I do too for sleeping in my bedroom without, like, what is it, radiation. I'm just pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty decent about, like, limiting myself on my, on the internet.

But, like, I'm as addicted as the next person. So you're down to go back to T9 texting. I just, you know, no, my favorite era of the internet was, Blackberry. Just a little bit of internet access. You could play, you can play, like, the blog game. I definitely need a navigation system. because I've, you know, it's not my hometown.

I don't know when I'm going. Even L.A. I've been here for 12 years. It's like, where? What street? So I don't, I'm not trying to be off the fucking grid. I just, like,

don't need unlimited access to just garbage. Yeah. You know? Do they still make Blackberries? And if so, are they, like, updated to compete with iPhones?

I don't think Blackberry, I don't think, what's the company that made BlackBerry? Blackberry. No. Motorola? No. Motorola?

And I don't mean to spread misinformation, but I did see an article that said dementia rates are rising Between people in like late 30s through their 40s like early is a dementia or Alzheimer's see this where I'm like I don't know the details But they're attributing it to social media and I'm like it makes so much sense when you think about it like test scores are I mean everything everyone's dumber People refuse to read it nothing frustrates me fucking more than I read somebody's caption and it gives all the information And then I see the comments that are like, what is this from? Where is this? And it's like, for fuck's sake, it's a paragraph. Read.

Okay. I actually found weaker social ties are linked to an increased dementia risk. And they're calling it like digital dementia. Because people are like interacting with technology. But you're not training your brain to like, you know, consume content over a period of time, be analytical about it. Everyone is like arguing with their friends. And it's always like you just, you just watch the fucking TikTok, you know. I definitely feel lighter having not have TikTok for a few months.

Like I definitely am like, wow, this feels like, I feel. Yeah. But yeah, I don't, I'm not trying to go off the grid, but I definitely, like, my current setup, our current setup, I just don't think is our, is the best approach. You know, just like having, like, I just think you have to create guard rails. I also think the future is, I think we're going to have a renaissance. Like, people need to, like, you know, group parties, you know, neighborhood parties. Like, you know, people need to get out. He was going outside.

I do think so. I think it is. So a really funny thing happened to me this weekend on Saturday where a UPS truck crashed into a fire hydrant. I did see that on your story. Yeah, and there was like this huge guys. Everyone's okay, right? Oh yeah, everyone's fine.

It was just, yeah, a bunch of fire trucks came. It was awesome. No, honestly, it was kind of awesome. Everyone was fine. It was super hot outside. Like everyone from the neighborhood came out to like giggle and watch it and watch like all the fire trucks come. And it was like everyone was taking video.

and just like gabbing and chit-chatting. And honestly, it was like, me and my neighbors were, like, laughing with each other about it, being like, what the hell is this? Because the UPS driver ran away. And it was just like the most, like, in my... The driver ran away? Yeah.

We think he did call. Are you sure? He just drove away. Does his car not have cameras on it? It was a UPS drive. I mean, that's... Like he ran away on foot? No, like he drove away.

And there was just this guy's there. Anyway, it's fine. Like, it got fixed. It's okay. Like, everyone's fine. It was fun. But you were like, wow. This is the first time.

I've been outside with all of my neighbors. It was just like honestly it felt like have you guys seen like the beginning of do the right thing, the Spike Lee movie where it's just like hot and there's this like community. And they're all outside. Yeah. And it just like it felt like my childhood in a way and it was just really sweet. That sense of community and like neighborhoods is something that I feel like has gotten so lost.

Yeah. And it just felt really nice to just interact with my neighbors in that way over like a shared communal thing. It reminds me of when we lost power. and we were like, it was, like, the sun was going down. Like, it was about to get really dark in our house. And, like, our block had lost power. This is over the summer.

Yeah, over the summer. And so we were outside. And everyone was kind of, yeah, just, like, coming to our driveway to, like, talk about the power outage and be like, oh, and do you have this and do you have that? And we got some lanterns if you want lanterns. And then it was like, oh, in our kid, if you want a babysitter, we can, we are my 14-year-old is taking babysitting classes. And it was like, wow, look at us, everyone.

cute. This is so cute. Just like nice and sweet. Talk to your neighbors. Talk to your neighbors. Get outside. Yeah. All right.

Well, up next we have Heather Shaw to break down all your favorite TV from over the weekend. We got the Traders finale and the reunion. We got Love is Blind and we got some real housewives of Beverly Hills. That's all up next with the very hilarious Heather Shaw. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. We're taking a moment to celebrate women. March is a reminder of how much women carry at work at home in relationships and in all the invisible spaces in between. I'm thinking about the women in my life who somehow do it all and still

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Incredible. Incredible. How are you doing? I'm good. I'm excited to be here, man. Viofiles. The only good files left. I'm doing good.

How are you guys doing? We are watching a ton of TV. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hanging out, you know? Great. What were your first thoughts of Trader finale? Of course it's the hot guy. Yeah.

I mean, I loved it. though. I mean, we knew it was Rob, but I love that the guy that was wrangling snakes turned out to be a snake. That was good. I think the entire cat, can we swear on here? Can I say, Dick? Yeah, for sure. I mean, you have one. It'd be weird if, yeah. I think that the entire cast and crew was dignitized by Rob. Yeah. Fairly. I mean, he's a good-looking guy. They were dignitized by that guy. He could do anything. I think pretty privilege is the greatest privilege. Rob definitely had it. Truly. For sure. Yeah. You know, they're like, if I, if I, if I, if I kill myself for Rob, he might.

love me. And honestly, worth it. It's worth it. The way I was screaming out the television thinking that Mora was going to figure it out, that it was like, she's so close. So close. She's like, it just can't be robbed. I'm like, why? Why can't it be wrong? Yeah, she made it seem like it was just the most

impossible thing. It was so possible. Yeah, that was crazy. I just love it. He's a pretty man. And then the switch up of Eric, her pact with Tara being like, we're going to vote out. Eric. And then she still didn't vote out Eric. It's like, oh my God, frustrating. But, you know, he was a

great traitor. I think even Alan Cumming liked him. Yeah. In the name of the game. Everyone wanted his ass. It was great. Oh, Heather, I have a question. As a drag race fan, which Allen Cumming outfit was your favorite? Oh my God, girl. Don't ask me that.

They were all beautiful. I like the banquet. The banquet. I just liked him in the banquet as is. It was insane. He just got to be so dramatic. He was a dramatic gay, living his best life, being like, it was you, jam, jam. I mean, that was the best. It was gorgeous. But yeah, I mean, he got to, he got to be super dramatic. I love it. Did you also watch the reunion? I didn't watch the reunion. You didn't miss much. I didn't feel like it. I thought it was great. What, what's going on there? Everyone says it's a waste. Yeah, it was, it was mostly Candace and Lisa trying to make a thing of, of, of, of

Rob winning it by himself, you know? And it was like trying to force Rob to own it, which it was just like, what do you mean own? It's like, he won. I thought it was, I liked the reunion. Well, the one part of the reunion I really loved was. Andy's overalls? Well, Andy's overalls were great.

No, but it was Porsche. They were not. It was Porsche talking to Mama Kelsey and saying, thank you, Mama. Mama. She was like, respectfully, Mama. You're wrong. And it was awesome. That's so funny. I love that Ron Funches, when going in, he didn't know how dumb Porsche is.

I love Porsche, but, you know, she thought the Underground Railroad had trains. Yep. So he didn't understand that, like, what she's saying could maybe just be not the truth. It's just her being kind of... Silly. You know, she's a little dumb. It's fun. I love Portia.

She's beautiful. We don't have to be smart. Speaking of Porsche, did you watch the trailer for New Atlanta Housewives? Yes. Yes. And she's dipping her toe. I'm ready. She's dipping her little toes into like...

Yes, girl. Getting in that lesbian water. She's just drinking it out. She's just like trying to change it up. I love it. She's got a stud. She does have a stud. I'm all about it. I think it's fun.

I think it's great. Also in the reunion I saw, I did see clips of Michael Rappaport. Like, what's the vibe? Does everyone really hate him? I know he's kind of... I think from the cast. He's kind of fun. I'm a fan.

We've had him on the show. Am I a fan? He's kind of funny. Yeah. I mean, he's a... Self-proclaims shitstarter. He, like, he, yeah, I think he's... He's good for 10 minutes and then get him out of there, is how I feel.

Yeah, they were clearly annoyed by him. Yeah, I don't think anyone on the cast is... Yeah, I don't think he's... Well, I don't think he, like, came in with open arms. He wasn't there to make friends. Nobody rides harder for Michael Rappaport than Michael Rappaport. And I think that's kind of what gets to the cast, is that it's like, stop talking about yourself, stop defending yourself.

We're talking about somebody else now. I could see why it would be exhausting. being in the castle with him. Yeah, because I feel like that was his whole take in the reunion. It was just like him defending himself when nobody was asking him to. I feel like he sucks up in traders. He sucked up all the energy in the room. And it's just like you can't make a show like that when somebody is doing that.

When he kept yelling out, Clip. Yeah. Clip! That's very fun. It's insane, but it's fun. And Durinda's right there. The originator of said clip. I know.

But he also just doesn't care. And I kind of love. that yeah i saw rob did a uh speaking of being hot he uh gq did a little uh piece on him which he looked great and then but i i saw he identified himself is extremely polarizing rob yeah which i was like i found to be very interesting well yeah right because like you know i was like you know i don't think i've seen a man be more palatable to the masses than rob roush well he he's polarizing, which I thought was just fascinating that that's his perception of himself, which, like, just kind of reminds you that, like, we no longer live in an age where people

are, like, universally beloved, you know, with the internet being what it is, like, everyone has a group of haters. And that algorithm will feed you that group of hate. You will show it to you. Like, if you haven't opened up TikTok in a while and you're, like, and you're a public figure of any kind, you'll open it to, you know what, you're a fucking asshole, you know, type of thing? It's a wild thing. I haven't seen anyone hate Rob. Yeah. Me either. Not yet. I haven't either. For my, for my POV, he's universally beloved. But I imagine like, you know, I've seen things where he's, like, he is, you know people are getting

hate when you see them defending themselves in the comments. And Rob has been fairly busy in the comments this season. So he is definitely being criticized by some section of the internet, probably some Housewise fans. Sure. Yeah. I was also going to say, though, it was like the small amount of negative. comments that he's probably not used to receiving from said fans. Truly. But what's small? But I'm saying, I think that that sticks.

It's the same way that you can have 100 great comments and three bad comments and the three bad comments will stick out to you. But it is fascinating. That's how he feels, right? We're all watching Rob being like, everyone loves you, man. Like, how did you do it? I was going to say, the only polarizing thing he said

for me was at the end when he was like, yep, I'm just going to take my money, get myself a house, live a quiet life. And I was like, bitch, you're going to be on GQ. Yeah. I'm not going to be able to get Sonic commercial. I'm not going to be able to get away from you. He's being on dancing with the stars.

He knows how to play that schick. Yeah. And that's the thing is it's like truly a stick. Like, and that I think me, the part of me that is like he's a little polarizing. Like I sit here watching it and I'm like, I have been personally victimized by you. One of these people before. You know what I mean? And so it's like I can sit here and objectively be like, no, like there's no malice, no bad feeling.

I think he's so fun to watch. I was rooting for him to win. until the end, kind of because then I felt bad. But it's, it's like, I feel like I have personally experienced this. And so watching from the outside, you're just like, you want to shake Mara and you're just like, what, like, what are you doing? How, like, blinded. Blinded. And you're like, I've been there. Yeah. But it's, and it's frustrating. And it's like, it, like, it affects me. And so I will say, like, yes, I can objectively be like, no hate to Rob, but I'm also like, no, you're a terror and you're what's wrong with. You've ruined a lot of women's live.

having you all. Yes. And men in your same font have done the same to me, you know? So it's, it is a little. Or he's just kind of like, I just, oops. Yeah. He's like, I'm just a simple man. It's like the most complicated man of all time. Well, a lot of people are frustrated, you know, like the, I mean, he, he, he, he took all the money. He really screwed over Eric. Yeah. And he made a good point of like, would you give $100,000 to someone you met three weeks ago? Hell no. But also Eric made a great point. Money's cool, but relationships are better. I was, he said something along those lines and I was like you know what that's a good person who's going to have good relationship. But also I feel like him and Rob are totally fine. Remember like at the reunion

they were like oh yeah it took me a couple days and I'm over. But it is interesting because what if what if one of the finale fan of us was a was a gamer and most of the gamers are kind of come on and be like well listen you know when I'm not on these game shows I'm just you're I'm just nine to five in it I'm a normal person I'm not I'm doing fine in life but like this is a shit lot of money to me. And it would have been, it would have been kind of fascinating if Rob, like, if Natalie, for example, it was as him and Natalie. But it does make

you wonder, like, Rob walked out with, what was it, 200,000? But then it's like, I wonder how much Sonic paid him for those 14 ads he's doing. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, you're, he's probably fine. Close to the same amount, if I had to guess. I think you can, no, totally.

And I don't, I don't see Eric doing Sonic Sonic ads. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know. I think it, It really put a bad taste. I mean, maybe I'm falling for it. But I'm like, I feel like it put a bad taste in my mouth. I'm like, you basically just like use people, which I guess is the game.

No, he literally did say that even with Mora. He was like, we need Mora to go to the end so I can fuck her over. No, literally. And honestly, I was like so annoyed at Mara the whole time. And then when we got to the end, I was like, oh, I suddenly feel so bad for you. Yeah. Her face when he was like, I'm a trainer. It broke my heart.

And he was just like laughing and smiling. And she was just like, I know. I trust it. When she was like, you embarrassed me, I was like, oh, I know that. I know that feeling. Oh, you embarrassed me. That is so real. Didn't she say like, good luck finding a girlfriend?

Yeah. You're never going to find a girlfriend. He's going to be fine, Mara. He'll be all right. I think he has one now. Every single one will be like, I'll change them. Yeah, exactly. It'll be me.

I'll be the one, you know? All these hoes, they are just dumb and stupid. I will change him. He confirmed at the reunion. He's got a girlfriend and they've been two to go together. He's the most marketable he's ever been. Why would you do that? His girlfriend is himself.

He chose himself. Or it's all marketing for himself. And his hearts are her. And he's like, yeah, I'm going to be in a relationship. And then they'll break up. And then he'll still have access to all the women he wants. But for the public image, yeah, I'm just a simple man with the girlfriend. I told you.

I just want to settle. I told you. Do we know who she is? She's a real person. She's like a more me from like the Midwest. Kansas City. Kansas City, yeah. He's a snake.

She's a snake. She's a snake. She's a python. She's a python from Kansas City. He found a man. Woods roaming. Rare. Speaking of men who are, you know, not maybe our cup of tea currently, maybe in this moment,

love is blind. Has a few winners. Oh, God. Gems, you could say. Gems. Some gems. Alex and his little curly piece that he pulls over to the front on his forehead. I'm still wondering.

I would love to see him get ready in the morning and put the gel on that piece. What are your thoughts? What about Chris? Evil. Chris, is he? I'm just going to say, he might be a little gay. I'm sorry. My gay are, it goes off for this guy.

When he's like, you don't do crossfit. It's like, girl, she's a doctor. Literally. Yeah, he wants to fuck himself, you know. It's giving a bit of internalized. Yeah, it seems like he's just like trying to find a reason not to, you know, enter her. Truly. He's like, it's just not working for me.

You know what I'm saying? Well, you don't do Pilates, Queen. Yeah, the Andrew Tate comment was crazy. What makes you go on love is blind and say the word, Andrew Tate? Unwarranted. And also, breathing, like, I don't know who that man is. I'm getting the point out of it's going on. No, that was like, smart.

We said that unplussed, but she definitely has heard his name, knew. No, for sure. She was like, I know enough to just say, I don't know it, but I'm also immediately need to leave. This is very dangerous water. Too long. To watch sometimes. What is really special about Love is Blind

is specifically on that show, you can just watch men dig their own grave, and you think they're going to stop, and then they don't. They just keep going, and the camera is right there. It is Netflix 4K Ultra HD, and they just keep saying things like,

what, you think I'm Andrew Tate? With a big smile on his face. A big evil smile on his face. Susie, You're our, I think you're our resident, single, heterosexual person. Congratulations. If I'm looking around. We've got a couple gays.

We have Sierra's engaged. We're married and you're single and straight. Okay. Okay. Single and gay. But is this what, I mean, is, and when we watch these shows and they're really highlighting, and we're, you know, it seems like this season of love is blind, they're really, And they're introducing us to what seems to be like this, like, ultra toxic kind of, you know, guy who's, like, you know, either dreaming about day trading, you know, like the male influencer and all, like, these kind of very, I don't know, what's it? Like, these, like, these, like, red pill guys. Is that what is, are you seeing that out in the dating landscape more and more? Or is this, is it just still, like.

I honestly have, I mean, I am not going to lie. I have had some really. strange dating experiences. And I don't know if it's that I'm in LA now because I've put myself out there a lot more. But I mean, I met a guy that was just blatantly like, I'm monogamous now, but in five years, like I can't guarantee you that that's what I want. But I do want a wife and kids. What? Like, fully went on a date with a guy that said that to me, like a few months ago.

And then went out with a very like, just like a, which I didn't see that coming. I really didn't see that coming. And then went out with a guy that was just very. I would say probably similar I was like oh this is very fun you're very attractive I really like this but like I know what I'm signing up for it kind of felt like this type of guy

that you'd see on the show and then I've also I met a really really really nice human as well so I feel like I've had a lot like but I feel like there's a lot of weird stuff happening and it's just becoming very normalized like it's normal to be like just absurd yeah and it's like oh people are just accepting yes I'm just like I don't think Chris

I don't think this is like a bad at it. And I don't think he showed up thinking I'm gonna, like for fun, I'm gonna be the villain and think that's gonna be like his shtick. No, I think he thinks it's normal. Yeah. Yeah. But that's what's crazy about it.

That's why he's like open to having these conversations with anyone. It's like he'll sit down with whoever and be like, no, this is why we broke up. And I said, like, listen, we can keep trying. She didn't want to. So that's on her. So, yeah. I can rest my head at night knowing I gave her an option. And then when they see each other.

He's like, I can't think of anything else, but the fact that I am disgusted by your body, but I don't know why you don't want to keep on trying. And then when they see each other at the mixer, and he's like, you look so good. You look really good. You shut up. You literally. Do not speak to me. He's like, and you just have dark features and you.

And she's like, I don't need you to tell me. And I know, I just don't know how you can be that agro of a man and be wearing a vest. Yeah. I just. What's his height? Is he a short king? I think he is 5-8. That's the issue.

Yeah. Maybe 5-7. Connor said he was short. Yeah. Connor called him short. Yeah. I like Connor. Classic.

What do you guys think about Connor? Oh, I love Connor. Like, did that breakup come out of absolute nowhere? It was like the most beautiful conversation that they were having where she was like, you're not getting the best version of me. And like, I can offer you so much more. You're teaching me how to be, but are you just a lesson in life? Or are you, I was like, whoa.

But Chris needs to take notes from Brie. Because at the end of the day, I just think Brie is just not into Connor physically. Love is not blind for Brie here. But instead of being like, what's wrong with your body? And I, you know, my dick doesn't work. When I think about how you look, she could have just been like, maybe you're a lesson. I think, you know, maybe, you know, like, Bree did it perfectly. Like, you know, she wasn't a dick.

Yeah. I just think it's like just shows that it's like, there is really no right way to break up with someone. Totally. Because I'm like, yes, obviously Chris is like, that's the absolute blueprint to what not to do. But I'm like even Breeze, I felt the same way. I felt like I was like watching like a thriller. And then all of a sudden here's the fucking twist.

And I was like, wait, wait, what is happening? And it's like, she's literally dumping him. But I'm like at the same time. It was like, it was eloquent. She was like, I'm really working through things on myself. I'm not the best version of myself. But it's still like, ah, brutal. Because he wants to marry you.

But I do think, I do think in a world where we're, you know, we're seeing more. and more professionals of every gender out there and the boss ladies and the boss men's. But for the simple guys, that maybe just their apartments aren't very glamorous, you're not very fancy, you know, and they truly need a woman's touch. But Connor is like your definition of a guy

who's just like, tell me what to do, tell me how I can be a better person. I will love you. I'll be honest. I will defend your honor. I have high character. Like, you can, you can, You can even nag at me.

You can even pick on me a little bit. And I'm a, like, we need to give these guys a shot, you know, because you just need a, they're all coachable. Some of you really like to coach. So I just, and that's what I don't get, like, they seem very compatible,

Bree and Connor, because she is, she's a coach. Okay, well, see, I didn't want a coach for him. Because I was watching it and I was like, oh, he's just taking it. But I'm like, I want him to stand up for himself and be like, I wanted him to like have more. Sure.

But maybe they'll find, they could have found that. That's true. At some point she could have been like, yo, like. When she was like, you don't at the restaurant take, you don't say she'll have this. You instead look at me as like, what should we order? I'm like, that is my nightmare of a man.

A man who says, in giving white chicks. Yeah. She'll have the salad. Perhaps not. Perhaps not, honey. That is literally here. She's like, you look at me like, what should we order?

It should be. a what should we order. It should be a conversation. And to that point, I'm like, sorry, apples and oranges for me where it's like a Connor or an Alex where I'm like, okay, Connor has a career. Connor owns a home. Connor has manners and is sweet. And then we've got Alex who has no home, who has no job, but knows how to fucking talk a bunch of shit. Yeah, no, yeah. Connor has honest work. I'm just saying he, Connor definitely needs a strong woman in his life to say, hey, listen, you, you're a good guy and you're doing, you're doing, you're doing, great.

Yeah. But you can do a little bit more. Let's get the tag out. Yeah. We can make this a little prettier. Yeah. You know, we can polish you up a little bit. Heather, did you see where Alex was like, nuggets?

Buffalo sauce? No. Oh, yeah. No, what the hell? They're in a fight. And then he's like, starts giving her McDonald's order. Like, I know you so well. It's nuggets.

Coke. Right. Buffalo, honey. Right. And she's like, yeah. I do want that. He's like, thank guy, because that's all I can afford right now. You bring it right now.

The fight that they were in was he brought his friend, a woman, I guess, to, like, advocate for him. Brought her. Wait, really? What are you talking about? She was part of cast. Oh, oh. She lied. She was on the...

Her storyline never made it, but she was in the pods. Pod squad, baby. But they're friends? They're friends from before. They lied to casting or, like, lied to everybody that they didn't know each other so that they would both get the opportunity. Oh, he lied? He omitted. Or they omitted, yeah.

Yeah. But it didn't make the storyline. Or she didn't. I guess she didn't have a match. Well, she did not have his back. No, I was like, period. Get it. Yeah, same.

Tell us. Heather, do you have a trust in Dubai, a safe house in New Zealand, or a really nice house in Florida like Alex is planning on having? All of it. Yeah. I like to lie too. Alex, yeah, he reminds you,

he speaks like a 17-year-old kid. who lies. Yeah. It's all, that's, that's boy manifesting. Yeah. When you just talk about.

A thousand. Yeah, that's how I talked when I was 17. And then I turned out, and then you turn 25 and you're like, I don't have any of those things I plan I'm having. Because like five years felt like forever. Yep.

And you're like, I'm a total loser. Still trying. Except that he's 30. Is there anyone specifically that you're rooting for? No. As a gay woman. Yeah.

What about Christ? I don't care. I think Devante's funny because his head is full of rocks. You know, when he's just like, yeah. It's fun to watch that. When, who is that, who is the girl that was telling him like, I know you're never going to call me pretty? Britney. And he's like, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I just love that. He's giving her nothing. Question. Heather, question. Do you feel like watching Love is blind, do you feel like you're an anthropologist just like studying this psychotic heterosexual experiment? True. Yeah.

I'm like, men never listen this much to women. This is amazing. Yeah. And then they still don't in the show. They're actually asking questions. Yeah. And then still don't. Yeah.

And then it's still like a 5 foot seven guy being like, you don't do CrossFit, Queen. It's just bad shit. Yeah, I'm just kind of, yeah, I'm waiting for the lesbian love is blind because straight dating is so foreign to me. I'm just like, dad. They did have, poor women. Well, I don't know if they had queer ultimatum. Did they not? They did and it's toxic.

I know. That was so horrible. It's terrible. It's so bad. It's all that. I guess you have to be. Yeah. I mean, yeah. But you got to be crazy to be on a reality show. You can't be, you know, a stable lesbian. That's boring. But I also think that the problem. You know, just don't a traitor Joe's. The problem with lesbian love is blind is like you can't make any eye contact in the pods. So that's like. And they're going to fall in love in two seconds. Yeah. And so then it's like it's just pointless, honestly, in my opinion. It wouldn't work as a concept. Yeah, it wouldn't. It wouldn't work. Maybe gay guys. I don't know. Gay guys are a little toxic. That could be fun. Oh, that would be awesome. Sleep around with everybody. That's fun. What do you think is going on with Alex's hair?

Nothing good. Nothing good. I wanted to give him the benefit of doubt when you had that really pronounced piece. And I was just like, oh, it kind of just reminded me and just how, like, how glamorous, like, the average celebrity is when they do, like, glam. And, you know, because I don't know about you, Susie on reality TV. And then you see yourself and you're like, I should have done my hair that day or something. Oh, absolutely. And you just realize just, like, how much makeup or the average celebrity wears.

because like you going, you going out in public, like with your norm is like apparently her hideous. That's what I learned when I went on. Do you get glam on those shows? No, no, not at all. That's kind of my point where it's just like you just, you do your hair a little bit, you know. And sometimes after a while you're in these like crazy environments

and you just don't give a fuck anymore. And you like put on a hoodie and whatever. And then you're like, I'm going to regret that. That was me at my hometown date. My best friend saw me. She goes, oh, you didn't want to put on makeup today? And I was like, oh, I, thought I was wearing makeup.

Oh, perfect. And then I watched it back and was like, oh, yeah, I look horrid. But then I saw Alex and he had that one wild hair just sitting there really pronounced. And I thought, you know, he just had to do a scene unexpectedly. But then now, then I was looking for it. And it's kind of a thing that was just like he didn't do it quite right. And he does it every single morning. Yeah.

He fixes it throughout the day. For sure. Heather, I have a question for you. And I feel like you're really the only person I feel safe enough to ask. Okay. Do you feel like Jim Carrey has been cloned? Girl. I'm so...

The internet has been so annoying. I'm like losing faith in humanity. How many people believe he was cloned for what reason? So we could have a puffy face and show up and speak French at an award show? Like, he's retired. I don't know if this is fake news, but it came out last night, but that we now know, like, someone was wearing a prosthetic. It was a prosthetic. No, that is somebody dick riding for clout.

That's Alexis Stone who wears, like, latex masks. So that was really Jim Carrey? And, like, shows up. Yes, girl. See, this is what happens with the internet. People, I know. It doesn't look like him. Nick, I'm worried.

Yeah. Yeah. No, because it's, uh, people are like, I'm trying to get a flip phone. Thinking of Jim Carrey from the 90s. He's 60s. What is he? Mid-60s?

Yeah. With facework, that's what happens. You know what I mean? We all see Real Housewives. I don't know how it's so crazy and baffling people to be like, what's fillers all of a sudden? Yeah, I think he's just an older dude and people are like, oh, he's talking different. I'm like, you get old and you're just like gentler and quieter.

I don't know what they're expecting him to like kickflip. What about the conspiracy of his eye color changing from brown to blue? Right. This is, we should have left kids behind in school. It's just lighting. It's like my eyes can be brown and then lighter and would light. It's just science. His makeup artist gave him color.

People don't understand things anymore. Yeah, they're just like, uh, or like contacts don't exist or, you know, I think they're really disappointing a lot of fans out there, Heather. Yeah. Well, that's because I'm Jim Carrey. I'm really the clone. Yeah. And it is you.

I should run with this theory, but I feel bad for the guy, kind of. He's a millionaire. He'll be fine. So do we think anyone's going to say I do this season? We definitely need an I do. Christine and Vic for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

But I feel like that's their healthy couple, so that's why we're not really focusing on I know. I know. I mean, like, showing them every once in a while. I also want to take back what I said about Devante and Britney to anybody that's a plus listener because I only had seen the first half of episode 10. And I was like, oh, I feel like they might start be like listening to each other and hearing like, you know, she was like, you don't call me pretty.

And he was like, I'm never going to do that. And then she's like, oh, my God, I guess we like, it's me projecting my relationship. Yeah. I don't know. But then when they were sitting in that hot tub, Bryn, it was like him going, yeah, remember when we were dating 16 people? can we go back to that? And I was like, this bed does not want to marry you.

And then he's sitting on the couch and goes, yeah, like, listen, there's going to be a day where you're going to try to call me and my phone's going to be off. I'm not going to respond to you. We're probably not going to talk. And I was just like,

girl, and you're sitting here being like, so, but like, are you 99% sure you want to marry me? Cut this man to the curb. Between Devante, Alex, and Chris. Well, Chris, I know why Chris went on the show. I mean, I guess I know probably why Alex went on the show. Yeah. But those are three guys who had no business

going on this experiment. Like Devante, you're a he's a he're a he're a he're a he're a he's a he's super analytical you were going to get yourself to marriage in six weeks. You know like what what a part of this process says I could do that. No, it was when she literally goes we're getting married in a week and he goes, whoa, feels different when I hear you say that out loud.

Was it different when Nick Lachet said it at the talk shop in day before? Like oh you're going to get married to eight weeks like oh you're going to get married to eight Meanwhile, you haven't met anyone yet. Literally. And that was more digestible? You were like, you know what? Maybe this isn't for me. And he's like, shit, I have to walk down the aisle with you.

I tried on, like, sir, were you not a part of this entire experiment? Right. And it's like, fine, love. Maybe you don't want to look at love isn't blind, but like you need an entire day off the grid. You can't. I mean, listen, I'm not sometimes as an introverted guy who just needs to take a break. You sit in my car after I park it and just sit there.

we all have to do that but like a tire day you also married somebody who's on your dude if you're on do not disturb she's going to hit it until it goes through sometimes notify anyway notify anyway sometimes you know

like I'm in my head but he's just like I'm just never gonna why can't you just give her what she needs your dress is pretty but I'll never tell you you are right why can't you yeah why did he join the show I'm confused why Devanti wanted to be on the show He's making no sense.

Is there something he's promoting? Yeah, he's going to post on Instagram. Like, he's launching a protein bar company. I was going to say, I've been giving brand deals. It also seems like Alex definitely is following chat GTP when it comes to, like, what he should do. Chat, whatever. I'm dyslexing. GTP.

He's following chat. Jim Tan Laundry. I keep going back to the first couple of episodes where he was, like, highlighting. his like his his themes he's like so like i don't talk to my dad um i have a soccer career i have to get over and i don't what the third thing was but it was like these three pillars of my i'm a nomad i'm not you're not and settle down anytime soon and that's who i am that's in my bio that's like that's why people are gonna it was like you know he was talking about his tragic story you know and just like you could and for a guy who we've realized is not he has no truth he's this out

They're winging it as he goes, confidently talking about the three houses he's going to have. Heather, we have a really fun game that I thought we should play with you if you want to play. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. The game of hot takes or roasts, but you must choose one. We will give a pop culture subject or topics and you decide are you roasting it or delivering your hottest take. Starting with number one. The death drop as a guaranteed lip sync save on RuPaul's Drag Race.

Are you going to roast it or are you going to deliver your hottest take? My hottest take is that it's overdone, bitch. It's overdone. And also, I'm worried about the men's dicks, to be honest, during the death drops. I don't know what's going on there. But it's overdone now. We need them to do some WWE moves, maybe off of a rope. Lips, yeah.

Now it's not impressive. Everybody does it. You know what I mean? What about a wig reveal? Overdone as well. Okay. Overdone. We need new moves.

Fair. We need something out. I don't know what they're going to reveal. But yeah, that's like once, I think Roxy did it the first time or somebody did it the first time, then it's done. It's like one of those moves where you see it once and you're like, all right. All right. Yeah. What a RuPaul win drag race in its current format?

Yes, because RuPaul is very Tyra Banks coded and she will stomp on everybody to get to the top. Period. And that's why she's successful. Who is first on the Britney Spears Apology Tour? What does that mean? Is she apologizing anybody or is anybody apologizing for her? Apologizing to her. To her.

To her. Okay. Timberlake number one for his tiny paper. Remember that excerpt in her book? Yes. That is the funniest line ever when she said, what did he say that he's like, oh yeah. And she's like, is it in? She's like, yeah, you feel that? And she's like, is it in?

I love that she put that in her book. I don't care if she was drunk when she wrote it. It's fair. He needs to apologize. Federline. Any man in her life needs to apologize. Every man who's ever crossed her path. The dad.

Speaking of Britney Spears, Britney Spears, Instagram's captions, are they misunderstood poetry or cryptic messages? That's just meth, baby. That's just meth. Okay. Perfect. It can be a poem.

It could be. You can make anything haiku these days. Housewives, last one. Housewife storylines. Does every housewife need one every season or is existing enough? Clearly they don't. Look at Whitney Rose. What does she do?

She has an MLM that she's convinced It's not an MLM. I think that's her storyline. I don't know what she's doing. I miss when she was just having fake sex with her husband on camera. No, you don't need a storyline. You can just walk around

and pretend to be rich and defraud people. That's enough. Hell yeah. Just get drunk and yell about friendship. I love it. Did we watch Beverly Hills last night? No, I'm catching up on Beverly Hills. I'm catching up on it.

Okay. But I don't care about spoilers. I did see some clips. Dorito, you know, she's going, she's going crazy with the spending. What do you like about this season or not like it about Beverly Hills this season? I love the addition of Amanda because she's, she's a scammer. I mean, let's call it what it is. She sells courses for manifesting.

I need to start doing that. What the fuck am I doing? Literally. I'm writing dick jokes. I should be, you know, selling 14 different courses on how to manifest money by taking all of yours. I like the addition of her. I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I'll always like Deriet's accent, you know. It's very hilarious Baldwin.

They were both, they're both born in the Northeast and speak like Europeans. That's fun. You know, but I got a lot to catch up with Beverly Hills. But I do like the addition of Amanda. And I miss Jennifer Tilly. Are you watching Summer House at all? No, I need to get into that, but I'm just not convinced. Again, it's very straight for me.

Is it something like, how would you convince me to watch it? Is it like, I like seeing older women that get drunk and yell about friendship. So how, you know, what's the Summerhouse vibe? Here is my pitch on Summerhouse. Summerhouse is very much like why gay people should watch Summerhouse. Summerhouse has so much tension and longing in it that it's basically poor travel lady on fire. Okay.

Even though it is between West Wilson who works for Complex and Sierra, it is basically a queer love story. And if anyone wants to argue with me on that, they can choke. So also you have Kyle Cook and Amanda. Like, Kyle, you're watching Amanda about to come into her own regardless of like if she, there's just an idea of like oh Amanda could be free now to date a woman she's probably not going to

but she could and that keeps you invested and that's my pitch for Summerhouse Wow Are you gonna start it today? Great job Thank you. And you have Kyle who's blaming his wife for

forcing him to the bottle Yeah, and is a DJ at 40 Yeah and is a DJ Fine Yeah he became a DJ at Ford's Are they just hanging out and partying? Is it like Jersey Shore for Like every weekend they go to the Hamptons, I guess, and party is kind of the premise.

Yeah, like why I started watching it or why I thought it was interesting is because it's like their business, the first couple seasons, they're actually like business professionals. But then it was like them like unwinding every weekend driving up to the Hampton. So it's like something where I've heard about this lifestyle for a very long time, didn't know who was partaking in it. And then the fact that they all get like obliterated and like fight and thought. It's just it's fun. It's interesting. Okay. Nothing like I'm that I know.

Yeah. That does sound good. Yeah. Thank you. Love is blind question. Who's more dangerous to date? An Alex or Chris? Honestly, if these are my choices, I'd like to exit.

Celibacy. Yeah. But like I'm just saying, but there's a lot of, I don't mean like them specifically, but the guy who talks out of both sides of his mouth, both sides of his mouth has a million different stories. You never really know what the truth is. Or the inflated ego that has nothing to back it up. Like I just, as I said, my choices are fucking terrible.

if it's just for dating, more dangerous. Wait, it's Alex and who? What's the guy's name? Chris. Chris. I feel like Alex could derail your life if you start to fall for it. I feel like Chris, you know, you know what you're getting. Yeah, I feel like with Alex, like, we're all in debt, you know?

All of a sudden, it's like, sorry, babe. I signed you up for. You signed a paper, so, you know. Yeah. I would say the Alexism of the world because, like, Chris is you, it doesn't take long realize, oh, you suck. Yeah. He kind of gives Jen's fiancé.

Ryan. Ryan, yes. Yes. Alex kind of gives Ryan energy. It's very that. And we all, we, you know, many of us, we like to be fixers in relationships. So Alex has the whole setup of like,

I have so much potential and he talks a big game. And he's handsome enough. And then, you know, he doesn't talk to his dad. So you feel, you know, it's just like, oh, man, he's got this built-in, like, empathy card. of like you feel for him and it's just oh you know and he just he lies so confidently

and it's like it'll get you it'll gaslight the fuck on it he is the guy he's the alexes of the world is why everyone out there is misusing or overusing the word gaslighting and honestly to your point I was like this poor Ashley like she has a steady career she has a home and she's about to give

all that up to maybe be in Arizona or Florida no yeah it's like that and then why The whole premise of love is blind since they started is being like, we're going to cast people who live in this regional area because we want, if they do get married, we want to take out the whole like, you got to move. You got a move.

And then they cast the guy like, I got no home. And the last place I want to be. It's Cleveland. Is Ohio. I will be anywhere else than Ohio. They're like, yes. And he's got no job, no prospects. And he's expecting Ashley, who's about to get promoted.

Yep, to leave her job. To leave her job. Or like, I want to give you enough time to maybe talk to them and see if you can move somewhere else if they'll transition you. But, like, I can't be stuck here. And, like, that's his main priority. Give her a year. Like, let her figure it out, but he's just not that guy. But he will trek her period for her.

Thank God. That's terrible. And he knows her McDonald's order. That's gross. Winning. Yeah, Chris is just short. You're right. Yeah, it's just what it is.

It's fine. Heather, this has been such a blast. Thanks for having me, guys. And where can people find you? Find me online. Heather Shaw is kidding on Instagram. Just type another Shaw anywhere, even Kornhub. Woo!

I know what I'm doing tonight. Thanks guys, I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Come back soon. I will do. Bye. Bye, bye. Well, we just did a little bedroom refresh, move some things around, and I was like, you know what, this bedroom needs, it needs Quince.

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Please. My friend sent me this video that Michael posted. Ah, I saw that, yeah. Of his outfit and all she said to me was... It was a very serious, like, get ready with me. Get ready with me with a button down and very capreed, I guess. slacks, but she just goes... In one bag over the shoulder.

She said this fit is absolutely shocking. He did not get married clearly. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because it's like... Emma would never let... First of all. And like, remember...

I can't remember her name. Chinese disco baby. Taylor. Taylor? Yeah. Remember his glow-up, though? The guy that she ended up with and then it was like, we're like, oh, they got married for sure.

Like, that's why my friend sent that to me. I was like, you know? That's a good point. There's just no way. That like, Emma, trendy, gorgeous. She would have texted him take that down. Yeah. This isn't it?

It was the backpack with one over the shoulder. With the one over the shoulder. If he says no, though, like, I'm going to be so fucking pissed. She's literally amazing. Literally. And the fact that she's like... Well, I mean, we don't know. I get good vibes from Emma.

She seems lovely. I just don't know if she's literally a man. I mean, we don't know if these people are. But they're the ones that they disagree on children, right? Yeah. I think that's... I think that it's too early to get married if you have that disagreement because I'm like you can figure that out later and it doesn't have to be right now but like

you don't that's a good point it was like it's just if if having kids is a non-negotiable and one person's like I just I don't know I don't like I'm like they would just be objectively not smart to get married to get married but you can keep the relationship you know has anyone in the history of the show though just based off of the whole getting to the altar part and somebody saying no like has anybody actually gone up there been like I would want to marry you someday but like I would want to like carry on this relationship and actually carry on. I think it's kind of been at least tried or teased. I don't remember who,

but it's never, it's never worked out. That's what I was going to say. It's like I've never seen. Which is interesting for like the fact that the show has had and still has at least some successful marriages. Right. Yeah.

And they have stayed together, which, you know, this the whole premise of the show is insane. Like anyone who's getting married on the show. In 30 days. Crazy. Yeah. And Clariot's worked out. Amazing.

But the fact that the middle ground option, which seems reasonable, we would think. For people who are like, you know what, we built something really great here. I really feel good about it, but I'm sorry. I just, I can't get there. I'm just, I'm too pragmatic. I just, there's just no way. Yeah. But I really like you.

The fact that like none of them worked out is kind of interesting. It is. I feel like most of them when they end the conversation or end the relationship, it's the conversation is I'm not ready right now. Right. So a lot of them have said it, but I don't think, yeah, a lot of them. I never like carry on after the fact that's like when they bring up their profile. Well, the only one who really did that to any degree was Raven.

And then he cheated on her. And we had her on a very explosive going deeper episode. Speaking of explosive going deeper episodes, we have Kenya Hill on this week's episode of going deeper. Obviously the America's Next Top Model documentary that's been taking the world by storm on Netflix and everyone's been talking about it. But we have not really heard post documentary from really, any of the models until now.

Kenya is with us to talk about her whole experience on that show. Lots to unpack, lots to talk about. I'm curious what she thinks about some of the fallout of the documentary, about the judges and just like everyone involved. I think obviously we know that Tyra has been like a topic of a lot of discourse, but I'm curious if she has a lot of much to say

about some of the other people involved in the production of the show. That is all on Wednesday. So do not miss that episode. I just wanted to also throw out there. We're talking a lot about unlikable men on reality TV. I can't vouch for these guys because it's not like I spent a lot of time with him.

I'm still some time with him. But I do think on the upcoming season of this new hit show Age of Attraction out on March 11th on Netflix hosted by my wife, Natalie Joy. She's a star. And you? I didn't know.

I'm there. I'm there. I'm there. I actually love that, actually. That's amazing. Natalie really shines. There's some guys you can root for. There are some really sweet heart. You know, I am not volume of them.

I don't know if a girlfriend or a wife or a friend is going to come out on the internet and be like, fuck this guy. I am not. But it seems like there are some guys you can root for. I think there's some real sweet moments. There is one guy that I'm really excited to talk about. Oh, my gosh. Susie, circling back to traders before we fully move on from that. how do you feel about more uh she's gonna get a burkin i know so i mean there's that yeah but also that

he's gonna follow through he has to he they said it in a reunion he has to but also i'm like after taxes is there going to be enough for that i'm like was it really worth it rob also i feel like i feel like 10,000 for a burkin is like that's like base starting and like i feel like the strap it's like 20,000 yeah i don't know much about the luxury of of bags but yeah isn't it like buying a mercedes and you have to roll down your window Right. No bells and whistles. Yeah. He's getting the basic bag. There's no heated seats.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, is the $10,000 of Birken? Not even. For the Birken people, then is the- Why are you looking at me? I don't know. I do be watching the Birken buyer videos on TikTok. Also, $10,000 in this economy?

Well, I'm saying it's not. She met $10,000 when she first bought her first birthday. It's not going to be that and it's going to be resale. It's like $20,000, I would say it's a base start for a burken. And it just goes astronomically up. Don't you need a in? Um, I'm saying,

can anyone just like with a lot of cash? So in like Paris and London stores, you can go in, but for most places you need an appointment. Um, if you have a contact that Armez, they can like notify you when you, they have in stock,

but most of the time you're buying it resale, which is why it's, and if you have, even if you have an appointment, like if you have a specific bag that you want that's not in stock, like they'll call you and say we have an availability or we might have one in, in that vein.

But then they'll come and they'll show you what they have available. But it's like, getting an appointment is like a coveted slot. So it's like you're on a wait list. Which is not make me want to buy one of your bags. You know? They're pretty cool. Even when I see like, we'll be in New York and we'll be like, oh, let's like pop into

Gucci and you walk up and they're like, could you wait outside? Like we don't have any. And I'm like, okay. You're not going to catch me in a photo in line. I'm going to stay out here and wait for what? There's no one in there. Yeah, exactly. No one is shopping.

I was like, and to the inverse. That's Bethany Frankel. Remember she made a whole video about was it Dior or Chanel? one of the major fashion houses but she had a whole thing that like her rep or somebody like they wouldn't let her in because she didn't have an appointment

but it's like you of all people should know that you need an appointment anyways do we think Rob's gonna get an appointment I don't think so I don't think so but I was Chanel by the way I was Chanel figure oh okay Chanel I just find I found traders so unsettling

which is probably why it was like such a good watch because I'm watching it and I'm like I'm observing things happen and I'm like I know realistically this is a game it's a game and I know there's money at the end and I can't be mad at the same way I get annoyed at Faithfuls for thinking there's no way they could be a traitor I'm like there's no moral compass to being a traitor you get tapped on the shoulder there's no yep you're not a good person or a bad person of your traitor you're just like tapped on the shoulder so I have to check myself but

it was really like it was really sad like I felt so bad and I felt really I was so annoyed at Mara the whole time and then when it was revealed and I felt bad for her then I think thought back to her eliminating Tara. And then I'm like, okay, well, you knew she wasn't a traitor, so you were just being selfish. You just wanted more money for yourself. So then I don't really feel bad for you. That's what I find about.

I'm fascinated by your take in hearing you talk about, like, being a little triggered by Rob through your own, like, dating experiences. But like that, that is reality TV. That's like, that's why we love reality TV, because like we, all reality TV is really just a mirror. It is.

You know, and the people, I honestly think the people we critique the most on reality TV are either people who remind us of someone who hurt us, screwed us over, or more often remind us of ourselves. Because it's really easy to identify people's like, you know, like I think because deep down we know our flaws and things we're insecure about. And it's like it's hard to admit that we do the thing. But we can really see it when other people do it. Well, I think this is going to be, I don't know if it's controversial or like if you should keep this to myself. but like I actually think I could be a really good manipulator. And so watching Rob manipulate and he says like I'm using manipulation tools.

Like I, and he's recognizing when he asked everybody the question. And I'm like I do feel like I could manipulate people well, but I feel like I would only ever do it for good, not evil. You know, like I feel like if I were to get to the end on traders as a trader, I would then be like, I won, but like I'm donating it all. Like I can't keep this. It's dirty money. Like that's how I would feel about. it because I would be manipulating people. So I think maybe you're right.

And maybe it's both that I see parts of, not that I would be that skillful at it. I think I'd be to feel too guilty. But I mean, no one's in any position, obviously, to tell people what they should do with money they want. But it is fascinating when we watch these shows because especially with traders,

there is a collection of mostly reality TV stars and is a huge spectrum of people in terms of like their financial situation. Yeah. Some people in the space are living the high life. They got more money than they know what to do it. They got fuck you money. Other people, it's, you know, they have their jobs.

They're nine to five and they're really grateful for some of these opportunities. But like sometimes these opportunities that they go on are really expensive, you know, in terms of like just going to. That's so true. You know, the pressure and the cost and you have to fly yourself and then you have to pay, you know, it can get really expensive. And, you know, you can make a lot of money, but you spend a lot of money. trying to make a lot of money. And then just you throw them all into a world where like there's usually one winner.

You have the option to split it, but like do you want to split it? I know. And like to Rob's point, like who would share $100,000 of someone they met three weeks ago? Some people in that castle would because they're like, you know what?

They're going to think, I don't really need this money, but there is something to be said about someone going on the show who is financially secure, who $100,000 might not feel like all that money in the world. and strategically be like, you know, this could be really good for my brand.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. And I think, I think Rob is probably fine, like, with all of his brand deals, with how likable he was. I think he's probably fine financially to have split it. But I also think then it's like, okay, well, then what's, what would his game have been if he just played a worst game?

Like, that wouldn't have been fun to watch if he just, like, threw it. You know what I mean? Like, he did exactly what he was supposed to do. So I'm like, I can't fault him. That's what I think it's like, that's where I'm like, I get where I'm like, when we had M.J. Mercedes on. last week. And it was just like, what happened to her was fucked up. Like, at the end of the day, like, yes, it's a game, but then it's like there's personal moves that are made that it's like,

yeah, like her feelings are hurt and she's entitled to that. However, I'm like, there's two different types of people who play games. And I can say that I've been both. But I'm like, there's people that realize that it's just a game at the end of the day. There has to be a winner and there has to be losers. There's other people who take everything personal because they're competitive and because they want it so badly. So therefore, it's like what other people's moves that are just smart gameplay. It's like, no, you're, you're cutting me at my knees. You literally, like, stabbed me in the back. And it's like, that's the name of the game. We're playing mafia. But think about it. How many, like, friendships or family fallouts have come from game night.

Oh. When I was 12, my best friend and my grandma was house sitting. My grandma was my favorite person in the whole world. And, like, it was two days straight of us, like, being like, up each other's ass is that I was just like, I was sick of her. And then we decided to play Monopoly. This is why I literally have to like run through is it worth it for me to play a monopoly I take that shit fucking seriously especially if I start running out of money and then you start asking me dumb ass questions like you want to sell me that

property go fuck yourself so I get really defensive one time I swung at her there was oh my god it was the one and only time no no no but it was like literally like I was 12 years old and I got so mad and my grandma was literally like are you kidding? Wait Sarah and you made contact no but I like swung at her I was like oh you thought my grandma was like are you serious right now and I was like I was

Like, I'm gonna, I gotta need to take time off. Yeah, one time. I was, I was playing Secret Hitler with some friends like a while ago. And one of like, I was playing with, and had partnered and allied myself with one of my girls. And I trusted her. I was like, and she's so, she's such a sweet, like, nice kind person. She's so good at games, like loves games. So I was like, okay, she's going to be my ally.

Right? She's going to help me through this game because rules confuse me. And I need like 30 minutes before I understand what's going on. She was a fanciest. And she had me wrapped around her little finger. And to this day, like, I love her. You were the mora. Like, you think to, you were the more.

But I still, every time we play a game together, I'm like, no. Can't be trusted. Can't be trusted. One time I was playing Monopoly with my girlfriend at the time, and we were with her family. And I did not represent myself very well. I got ganged up on, and I did not like it. Monopoly brings out the worst in people. But they were like, they were all strategizing against me.

And it felt real petty. and I and and we we broke up. You broke up over monopoly? Basically. It was honestly when I look back on my actions, behaving that way. You're like this union would not work out. All right.

Well, let's get into this on Beverly Hills. Well, if you missed the most recent episode of the Verholl's Fives of Beverly Hills, we do have a rapid recap. Doreat as having an okay time co-parenting with P.K. By separating her hatred towards him to off-camera screams. Kyle Richards is in her Zara era. Rachel Zowe thinks it's

such a vibe. Huge for chic aunts and young professionals learning how to dress like an adult everywhere. Doreet's card gets declined on a $4,500 charge. There was a fraud alert. It's okay, though. She called the bank and she's in the clear. Still rich, still safe. Kyle gently wonders if Doreet might be manic or having an OCD moment.

Of course, from a genuine concern. Welcome back Lisa Rina. Welcome back Munchausens. Bose is like Diva. You're trying to convince Doreet. You're not team Pek. This is not helping. Sutton and Jennifer Tilly talk about how Sutton's ex-husband finally got their marriage and old,

so he could marry her friend. Nothing bonds women like the shared trashing of an idiot man. Rachel Zoh hosts a family reunion plus Kyle and Derreet, who is late. Kyle reveals that a guy asked her to leave her family to be in a plain shower with him. She said no. Rachel Zoh would have tempted if he was hot. DeRite, great timing that Rachel Zoh and everybody had left the store once that card got declined because I was sweating for her for a second time. Oh, they would have.

And you're like, oh, it's because I'm traveling and it's because I didn't tell the bank. And it's just because it's a different I'm in a you're like explaining to the Yeah honestly we'll never know And then your first thought is like let me pull out my other card And you're like and they're like so yeah you're really bad with money Yeah I don't think I feel like her car just

Is that gonna get maxed out too? I feel like her car just actually declined Like I feel like that always happens in your traveling no No no it did yeah I'm like I don't think It's a really big charge when you're out of right Yeah it's like when Monica's card declined In Bermuda Like you know what I mean

And she's like okay guys like what I'm like what? you know what I mean, but it's like, there's just like this feeling where it's like, no matter if it's a fraudulent alert, no matter what it could be, there's also the thought in your head that, like, great, did I have like somebody wipe out my account? But I have to give Dorek credit too that I was like, listen, if I was in a store and everything that I tried on, Rachel Zoh said iconic, amazing. And then I was like, and you need this hat to. I'd be like, okay, yes, it's literally like when Heather Duroe told me about the diamond ring. And I was like, anything that you say, I'm in. Literally, Doree just got styled by Rachel Zoh for free. Like, yes,

I'm well you know not for free but you know what I mean Her part of the labor was free but like she still had to pay for it I would do the same thing I do want to give a shout out to my wife We had to get some curtains Which first of all curtains They're expensive expensive They're insane if you need like if you like Nice ones yes

You need like custom curtains you're like this is a weird length Like I can't find this anywhere I was gonna say anytime you venture out of like the main size that everybody has It's a car It's a car yeah insane Anyway the initial estimate was high and she cut it down to a third.

Wow. Negotiation? She made some very practical decisions which I really said I could Amazon I appreciated the other ones and I did have them send out their measurement expert guy to measure so that and then I before he left I was like and what were the lengths of that?

Yeah, it's like 128 and I was like perfect thank you Amazon 128 inch yeah yeah thank you for your service but you know it was a turn on. That's awesome You know, as it turn on for me this episode, Jennifer Tilly's table manners with the waiter. She said, what's your name? Me too.

I'm multiple times. I forgot it. And she was like, I'm sorry, what's her name again? Carrie. And she said, I'm Jennifer, nice to meet you. Jennifer, nice to meet you. I was like, she's an icon. I'm sorry.

Like that outfit. And I'm just, it's a big thing for me that I was just like somebody like Jennifer Tilly where I was like, I think he knows. I think he was trying to be like, yeah, I know. Nice to meet you, Jen. Do you know what else? Speaking of turn ons, I think one of the hottest things a person can do is just to be like, like so kind in like a service situation like that you know what I mean like when they're so

personable that's so real to to people it's just like I'm like you're the hottest person I've ever like watching your partner be charming to other people that you're like obviously this is like no threat yeah not like jealous you know it's just like watching them be charming you're like wow you just are it's a good one you know what I mean yeah you are JFK Jr. I can't wait Was Amanda in this episode? No. Right? But I will say I think on watch what happens live. Amanda did make a point that I kind of laughed at and was like, all right, two points Amanda. When she got asked during a game like why she feels the need to like talk about or does she regret that she's like so big on like discussing like labels or being like, oh my God, I'm going to go put my water in my Chanel back bag. And she was like, I'm on a show that everyone does it. And it's so true that for some reason, maybe just because she's new that it's like a little bit jarring the way that Amanda does it. But like she pointed out. it up. Like Jennifer Tilley literally like, yes, this is Versace. This is $10,000 ring. Derreet head to toe. Like I'm just like, all of these women do talk about like their wealth or like things that they bought or Kathy Hilton and her staff and whomever else. And it's just like, but when when or like my tequila line, whatever it is. But it's like when Amanda does it all of a sudden we're all like, nobody on Beverly Hills is this gosh. Here's the thing is when Amanda is doing it. Amanda's doing it to prove to the other women and they can pick up on that. And when I can't say this about.

about everyone else on Beverly Hills, but when someone like Jennifer Tilly is doing it, she's just doing it to. It's very humble brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Mincalf-coded when they do it. But when Amanda does it, it's like, she's like, see, I'm one of you. And it's also on watch what happens when she was like,

I thought it was just like really funny the juxtaposition of like putting sunscreen in your Chanel backpack. And I was like, what? We must have different humor. What about that? I don't understand. And I'm like, so something tells me

that the sunscreen you're putting in your Chanel backpack ain't banana boat. Literally. Is there a fancy sunscreen? So much. Pericone. Literally, are you putting your Chanel sunscreen into your Chanel backpack?

Lo Roche? Yeah. Pose. Anyways. I do want to say, I do really appreciate Erica Jane in this episode. I don't think we've seen her that vulnerable in so long.

And she was saying things that I even was like, that resonates with me and like my experiences in life. Like, and I think there was a specific line where her therapist said, like, but this isn't the worst. or something. It didn't happen to you.

She said the worst happened to Tom. Right. Like you're living a bad situation, but like there is a silver lining in this mental process, I guess. And I'm going to give her therapist a shout out too because I'm like from all of the fake TV therapists that I have seen on this show and give terrible advice. This seemed like solid advice. They weren't just pushing a scene forward.

100%. She was literally like, listen. It might not get better. This season of Beverly Hills in therapy. So tell me again why you married your husband. Like no, she was literally just like, yeah. It was a real session is what it looked like. Yeah. Yeah.

It felt like she wanted her therapist there to have, like, support sharing her story on Beverly Hills to me. I have a question as a new viewer. She was left with $10 million in fees and things like that. Like, does she have the money to pay this or is she left broke? Do we know? I think she's in a tough situation for sure. I mean, I don't know any of the details. But when you're married to someone who, well, either makes criminal activities or just bad financial decisions.

decisions you're you're stuck with that you know often and and you if they can't collect it from that person then they're going to they're going to go after you yeah but they're not going to like claim like 10 million from her like like by this date or she's in jail like they're probably going to have some sort of like roll out of like she said it was it last episode the episode before that they're the goal I think the people going against her I don't know who would you know but like it's for her to file bankruptcy she said that in this episode yeah there's a lot of nuances with her situation because the common through line with all the cases is that Erica's money is a result of Tom's money. And since Tom's estate doesn't have money anymore, like they're trying to get it through her.

Again, the only problem when we say this almost every week is that I don't know what Erica makes on Beverly Hills, but I bet it's a decent amount. She's been around for a while. She's an icon of an iconic franchise. I mean. Andy said it on reunion like three years ago where he's like, I've seen your paychecks. But like I think everybody's coming for her. and it's like millions of millions of dollars. So it's overwhelming.

And that's where I was like, listen, do I think that she handled things poorly throughout? Like, sure. But at the same time, like, these things, like, weren't decisions that she made that now she's forced to have an opinion on, let alone to have, like, legal opinion, let alone know that she's at risk of losing anything, let alone everything. No, that is true. I mean, she had to process that. In her own way.

Because what the fuck? She was in survival. And I think we saw, like, the product of that. Right. And I think like now she's able to like be settled with it and like live in it and realize like, okay, like this isn't ending anytime soon. But I'm like, I think back then it was more like denial or like I didn't do anything wrong. So why do I have to answer for? And it's like now we're just seeing like her coming into her own being like, okay, like this is what I have. I'm finally starting to heal. And yet there's, it's never ending because Tom's in jail. So it's she's now left to pick up all of the pieces or people feel like they're entitled to money from her regardless of like what she's done on her own. Yeah. You know, so it's like, and that's the thing.

It's like they're not going to like not touch the money she got from Broadway, from performing, from being on the show. Like it's all up in the air for her. Can I be honest? I think Erica's storyline this season is the only one I'm genuinely actively interested in. Invested in. Well, it seems one of the most authentic ones. Yeah. And I think that's what, that's something that Beverly Hills, the nature of Beverly Hills is in authenticity, right?

I mean, that's the whole thing of like battling that and battling actual relationships with. each other versus the projected ones that you have to have because of the like town that you're living in right so I think having Erica just have this thing happen to her that isn't this more like we're kind of past whether she was a victim or not or if it was her fault right now what we're watching is just the active reality of what happens after something like that happens to you and I think it's so I'm really glad she's like being so open and vulnerable about it because you can kind of just see all of the different ways that she's processing it. And you're like genuinely rooting for her.

Yeah. You know, you want her to come out on the other side. I think she's at a point where she's just like being honest. Yeah. And you don't see that from almost anyone else on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills currently. Yeah. She just like wants to move on with her life. She's got a boyfriend finally in a healthy relationship.

She got her home together. And then it's just like, oh, and great. Speaking of yuckiness, did you see how Aaron was awarded? Oh, yeah. Spousal support. But it was like $5 grand or something, right? Still. $5.

And his attorney fees. No, it's like, how is that possible? That's why I don't understand either because didn't he technically like violate his restraining order and got arrested? And then we're still like, you know what? We'll cut you some change here. I don't understand. Justice for Denise. Justice for Denise.

All right. Well, that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guest, Heather Shaw, for joining us. Don't forget to tune in tomorrow for an explosive episode. episode of Going Deeper. Keenia Hill is with us to talk about her experience on the show, America's Next Top Model. She was a big part of the Netflix documentary, and she is one of the few models, if not the only model, who has chosen to speak out and talk about her experiences in more detail, and that is tomorrow on a Going Deeper episode you are not going to want to

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