The Viall Files - E109 Hannah Ann- 60 Day Fiancé

Episode Date: March 25, 2020

Hannah Ann Sluss joins Nick from the comfort of her home to talk about how she’s doing now. She tells us about the Weber/Sluss family group text, talks about the secret names she and Peter used, and reveals if she is dating now. Then, we're joined by a surprise guest- Ranger Rick! When life gives you a ring holder, make it a shot glass! Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.  THANKS TO OUR SPONSOR: BETTERHELP: http://betterhelp.com/viall GET YOUR MERCH: http://shop.viallfiles.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What's up, everybody? Happy Wednesday. Hope you're being safe, staying inside and practicing all the social distancing that is recommended by your experts. Special episode for one in the sense that it's our first podcast that we are recording in the safety of our homes. I'm in my home. Rochelle is at her home. And our guest today, Hannah Ann, is also at her home. And a special appearance by one Ranger Rick. Hannah Ann's dad joins us at the tail end of the podcast. So be sure to check that out. He is not at home. He's in the middle of the forest. Well, he's still practicing social distancing.

So it's totally fine. He's at home in, was it Knoxville? Are they in Knoxville? Tennessee. I don't know. So yeah, I mean, thanks for joining, guys. Obviously, I know we mentioned to you that this would be the Penn Jillette episode. I know we mentioned to you that this would be the Penn Jillette episode, but given that we got access to Hannah Ann, there's obviously a lot of interest and excitement around Hannah Ann's story

and her love life, whether she's dating nowadays. And we figured the interview with Penn isn't quite as time sensitive. It's always going to be a fascinating and interesting conversation. So we wanted to make sure we got you, Hannah Ann ASAP. How's it going for you, social distancing? Rochelle, are you bored? I've been cleaning like a mad woman. I'm like, every crevice is getting cleaned. Because you're bored or because you're afraid of the coronavirus?

I think it's the one thing I have control over at this moment. So what about you? Yeah, Nick thinks he has coronavirus. Since that news of Colton came out, he's like, I think I have it. Well, no, like a couple of days before that, I've been experiencing some symptoms, specifically in my lungs. It's a little scary. I've talked to my doctor.

But thankfully, my symptoms are mild. I just have some slight shortness of breath and I haven't experiencing a fever but it's weird you know if people are interested in symptoms that people might have you did have a fever or you don't? I don't have a fever I think Wednesday I think it was Thursday night

sometime in the middle of the week I had chills not chills but I had the sweats but I don't think I had a fever maybe that was it Wednesday or Thursday? I think it was Thursday night. I was sometime in the middle of the week. I had chills and not chills, but I had the sweats, but I don't think I had a fever. Maybe that was it. And then, uh, I just felt a little off and then it was more in my lungs. Um, so I just like, I felt a lot of chest pressure and then some shortness of breath. Like if I talked too much, it's a little bit better now, but so, uh, obviously like I called around to see if it made sense to get tested. But the more people I talked to who are kind of first responders in dealing with this, I talked to my doctor, you know, my symptoms were mild enough.

Obviously, I'm not at risk in terms of my age and I have a healthy immune system because tests are limited. I just thought they recommended and it seemed best that I didn't get tested to save the test for the people who might be in more need. And since I've been social distancing and basically in isolation since late Monday night, that's what I would do anyway. So I'm going to just continue to act like I could have it and I might have it, which I honestly, that's what people should be doing out there because a lot of young people might not even notice their symptoms. And, you know, you know, it's a, this is a very serious thing that we can all do our part to try to improve the situation we find ourselves in.

Uh, I saw something today about just how much more contagious, uh, this virus is relative to the flu. A lot of people are out there saying, oh, well, it's just like the flu, et cetera, et cetera. Uh, and there was a stat on the normal flu. etc. And there was a stat on the normal flu, if you have it, the average person might give that flu to 1.3 to 1.4 people on average. So that if it passes on 10 times that that initial person would have giving it to 14 different people. The Coronavirus average three, uh, that a person would give it three times. So if you exponentially put that up by 10, it's something like Pat, you could, as a single

person passing it on could give it to 59,000 people, which shows the stark difference in terms of how much more contagious this is. So I'm only saying that because, uh, I've, man, I had, I've heard stories about friends who live in different parts of the country. Um, you know, now it seems like all places have bars and restaurants closed, but, uh, when they have been closing them, uh, my one friend, they were telling me that, uh, people acted like it was new year's Eve. You know, it's like, Oh, the bars are closing. That's our one last night. I mean,

and that's just not socially responsible. We have to, we have to not do that. So just want to emphasize enough that people should just be doing their part and protect each other. And the sooner we do that, the sooner we'll get through this. Yeah. And distract yourself with this interview with Hannah Ann. Yeah. And there's no Corona talk going forward. Yeah, this is it.

But just a fun conversation with Hannah Ann. She was great. And we get an update on her love life and a little bit more about kind of the things that went down with the breakup with Peter and, and we get a Ranger Rick's point of view as he joins us at the end and just a fun, a fun interview. So I guess without further ado,

again, guys, thanks for your patience. I hope that the sound quality is almost the same. And thank you for continuing to listen during these strange times. And then we'll keep pumping out episodes. We do have a couple episodes already previously recorded. So you might next Monday, Monday's Ask Nick is something,

one that we already recorded a little bit ago. And we'll just keep pumping these out and go from there. Without further ado, Hannah Ann. Hannah Ann, how are you? I'm doing great. How are you, Nick? I'm good.

It's nice to meet you virtually. I know. First and foremost, are you staying inside and practicing social distancing during these interesting times that we are all in? Yes, I am. And actually, like the past couple of days since I recently just moved to LA, I've just been unpacking. So it hasn't been that bad. But I feel like today I'm going to start getting like cabin fever. So you just moved to LA? bad, but I feel like today I'm going to start getting like cabin fever. So you just moved to LA?

Yeah, I just moved to LA right before the lockdown. Was it right before? Did you move to LA before AFR or after? Right after AFR. Like I just had a one way ticket. And right after filming that next day, I moved to my apartment. Where were you? Well, hold on. Let's talk about your... What's your address? No, no. But no, I mean, that must have been a bummer. You're moving in and all of a sudden the world stops a little bit. I know. I'm like moving to LA, ready to start life.

And then, you know, not starting, you're kind of stopping. But at least I'm in my apartment. And it's really actually been nice just to like be isolated from people and just like have time, just have a breather, relax. I got to say. Take in everything. Well, it depends. Pros and cons, right?

Like on one side, you just finished the season. pros and cons right like on one side you just finished the season and um if if if you like attention it's definitely you'll never get more attention in that moment on the flip side if if if it's overwhelming and sometimes there's a little bit of both yeah uh this is certainly like the easiest way to have people not uh be all up in your business right right and it just is nice just to like being quiet because there's so much like anticipation leading up to like the day where I can finally like peace out on the season. Like so excited for that moment, but also, you know, it took like a lot of energy and like just a lot of emotions built up. And so now that it's over, it's just nice to just be alone and decompress.

How are you doing now? On a scale of 1 to 10, what's Hannah Ann's mental state in terms of her relationship well-being? My relationship well-being? I'm like an 11, honestly. I'm doing really well. I think I hit, when you've hit like rock bottom, anywhere above that, you feel great. You feel stronger. And like, I've had, you know, several different setbacks in life. It doesn't just have to deal with, you know, a breakup, just setbacks that I've had personally or financially or, you know with my family so it's part of life and you just kind of have to

roll with the punches and keep on trucking forward what kind of setbacks have you had because i when i look at you i just think oh she's perfect she's had a perfect life you know yeah oh no yeah yeah no i mean i definitely haven't had a perfect life. I mean, my family, we've had deaths in the family. We've had a family member that's been ill. So setbacks in regards to that, like my life has not been perfect at all. But it's all about taking it for what it is, you know, especially where life is at. It's not where I thought it would be, but it's what's been handed to me and you just got to work through it yeah i think that's a it's a great way to to say it also like it's always kind of a weird thing too where um you feel like you have to defend uh

yourself um in your case where yeah if you say you've been through something and people will be like, Oh, you must have a, a perfect well, I for whatever that means. And do you get, did that make you defensive with some of the criticism from the show in terms of coming across as almost well-spoken or other than finasco or whatever? But but you know, you were, you seem very measured throughout the show and did that bother you that um people took that as a negative thing sometimes yeah um what in regards to the show yes it's for entertainment but i wanted everyone to see all

different sides of me and because i wanted it to be you know a love because I wanted it to be, you know, a love story. I wanted it to be as if I was, as if, as if I wasn't on a TV show. So everyone was able to see different sides of me, you know, the side that, you know, with the champagne gate or the side of me being emotional. I wanted to truly treat this as an opportunity for Peter to really get to know me. So in the end, um, if he did choose me, which he did at that time, um, he was able to get to know me. So in the end, if he did choose me, which he did at that time, he was able to get to know me the best that he possibly could. So he knew what he was getting. So in regards to people thinking I was, you know, measured or perfect. I mean, everyone has a right to their own opinion. I, I tried to always be myself, but try to be just kind of even kill, not get wrapped up

into the drama or the emotions of it, not live my life by how I feel, but, you know, add reason to any situation. That's good. So it's funny, because I was thinking about this. And one reason I wanted you on the podcast is because, because I was thetime runner-up uh I feel like I have this there's like a a bond that I have with people who are runner-ups and I kind of thought to myself in my mind I had you as the runner-up but yet you won and so how do you feel like you're the runner-up like how do you take it in terms of I don't know it doesn't really ultimately ultimately matter but like technically there really isn't a runner-up this season uh but yet you know i feel like when it was all said and done you know america had to watch peter break up with you and these and at

least for a short period of time uh pick madison right I think the term winning is kind of taken out of hand at times because for me, it wasn't about winning. It was, you know, winning Peter's heart and spending forever with him. So if that's winning to people,

then no, I guess I was a runner up to that. But my takeaway is, you know, I walk away. Yeah, I kind of almost take it like the last person who was broken up with by the lead which technically that would be you um technically that would be you

you're the one that got done uh but how yeah how do you how do you what do you how do you see it sorry i'm gonna interrupt a second nick've got to pull that screen thing down. See the black thing in front of the mic? Can you pull it down? This thing? Yeah, pull it down. Yes, perfect. There, now we can see your face.

That's better. Okay, continue. Thank you, Rochelle. Do you see it that way? No. I don't see it that way? No. I don't see it as me being a winner or a runner-up. I see it as me finding myself more and learning more of who I am and what I want. That's kind of how I see it.

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like i don't doubt your sincerity at all i mean but you could also argue that you were you were the winner in terms of like as it all played out um are like are you i guess what i'm trying to say is you got engaged to peter um it seemed and then it seemed like peter did you dirty so to speak right maybe not intentionally again i'm i mean i like peter but in that moment it uh you were the um you had a bad beat like yeah you were you were the sympathetic person right so uh and now you're single, and now you're out there, and now you've moved to LA. So are you, after it's all said and done,

I mean, I guess, whether technically you're a runner-up or not, was this the best-case scenario for Hannah Ann, or are you still dealing with the heartbreak? No, this is the best-case scenario, because no one needs to be with someone that's not going to give them their full heart. So yes, this is the best. I believe I walk away, you know, being in the best spot because he wasn't, you know,

Peter wasn't all the way there with me. He wasn't giving me 100% of his heart. Was I, you know, during our breakup, I even said, I will stay with you. Even if it killed me, I will stay by your side. I just need to know you're going to give me your full heart. And when he said he couldn't. So why did you, why would, what do you mean by if, if even you broke up with you, you'd stay with him? Why'd you say that? No, what I was meaning is not if he broke up with me. It was more of like I will stay with you despite how hard this is going to be because that's the commitment and choice I made.

And when someone can't give me that return, that's when I feel like it's okay to walk away. And I have a lot of peace with that because I do know what I deserve and that's not to be half-loved. So question, I got together with Peter. I don't know if it was, I think it was late December. It might've been early January, but it was like right when the show started and it was kind of one of those normal conversations of, and Peter was very protective of his choice.

He seemed very happy at the time. He seemed, you know, drained from the experience, but him and I were just kind of shooting the shit with a couple of friends. And he did mention he was in a relationship, right? And so he was one thing he did ask me. He was just like, what are my thoughts about? He's like, I'm talking with my person about moving to LA and living together. And what did you and Vanessa do? Did you guys live together, et know, moving to LA and living together. And you know, what did you and Vanessa

do? Did you guys live together, et cetera, et cetera. So now that you're moving to LA, were you always planning on moving to LA? Or once you guys broke up, were you reconsidering that decision? Like, were you and Peter ever talking about living together in LA or anywhere else? Yeah, my plan was to always move back to LA. I've spent some time here prior to the show. Really, our futures were just aligning up. In my eyes, at least, I thought our futures were aligning up perfectly. And so we did speak about moving in with each other, but I was always going to move to LA regardless. I really didn't have to change much of my future plans gotcha but i'm in la now and um when uh when when you uh thank goodness for that

are do you uh do you that that would have been a really good tv show x is living together yeah well would you have what if peter if peter would have said hey i want you to move to la i want to live with you p.s i live with my parents how do you feel about that was that what was it discussed getting your own place would you even considering moving in with the webers? Like what was going on there? I love the Webbers. They are the nicest family. I mean, Barb clearly loves you.

His family is a bonus, truly. I always saw his family as like a gift. Yeah, they seem great. I thought Peter was a, you know, at the time I thought Peter was a gift and I thought his family was just like the most amazing addition. I mean, we like, obviously, we were only engaged for two months, so it wasn't even like that serious of a conversation. But yeah, we did talk about, you know,

different options of what we would do and definitely would be in LA, not in Westlake where his family's at. Gotcha, okay. I do love his family though. Yeah, and again, like it was wild watching AFR. And what we know to be clear is that Barb loves Peter. And she's very protective of Peter.

Except the only person that she might love more is you. Because she was like shaming her son on national television for the benefit of you, which I thought was pretty well. Have you talked to Barb at all since the show ended? No, no, we haven't spoken, which is crazy because really, like, I had the breakup with Peter that I had to kind of, you know, grieve and move on from, but also Barb because I just, I adored her, and she's just such a good person and was you know really a great um who I considered almost a second mother to me um but moving on from that I knew I just had to isolate myself from like anyone close with him so that I

could you know focus on moving forward which was hard at the time when you guys i have so after peter proposed and you said yes like that's a weird it's like a weird couple days right you have your like for the people who don't know you you immediately kind of have your what they call like happy couple weekends it's like your very first happy couple and you're you know they they'll put you up in a nice house you know wherever wherever you know for for you guys, Australia. And that's a weird, like, especially at first, because you, like, the show just kind of ends, right? Like, you go from this crazy show and everyone's like, all right, well, bye, good luck, happy engagement. And then, you know, you might be with a couple producers who are, like, making sure you have food and supplies, et cetera.

But, like, you're off camera. Just do that. They give you your phone, you give your phones. Like I know, uh, I, you know, I listened to a little bit of your podcast on happy hour and you mentioned how, you know, Peter obviously didn't get into much detail about the, uh, Madison and the whole breakup, but what were some of the things you guys talked about, like right after the engagement in terms of like kind of processing the whole experience and what questions did you have? And at what moment did you feel like things might be a little off or you questioned it or were you guys like in honeymoon phase for those four days?

Yeah. So after we got engaged, we were able to spend a couple more days in Australia. Of course, we were like in hiding. So we had to stay at the house, but we had, you know, the best couple of days. Really the questions were just getting to know one another more. Like what's your more of like common questions, like what's your favorite foods? Like what's your cell phone number? What do you like to do on the weekends? You know, home, you know, talking about future plans, talking about jobs and my big move to California. What was really cool is that we were able to FaceTime my family, which was really surreal because I hadn't spoken to my family since hometowns, which wasn't that much time.

And so we spent a lot of time FaceTiming my family. We kept it a secret from his family until he got back to... Yeah, so he could watch the big reveal. Yeah. Yes, yes. Yeah, the big reveal, which I thought was so worth it. They were so excited. So really just getting to know each other and kind of seeing how we are on a day-to-day basis without the eyes and pressure of cameras around you, which was really nice. Being outside, just like being with each other without having these mics on your back and stuff. Totally.

So you mentioned your dad. I remember hometown episodes when Peter had a conversation with your dad. I thought to myself, well, he has to pick Hannah Ann because if he doesn't pick Hannah Ann, your dad might kill him. I mean, he did pick you, so there was that. But how did your parents feel about it when they found out?

And then did Peter talk to your parents at all? Through the process of the breakup, what were some conversations, if any, that Peter had with your parents? Yeah. So when we got engaged, it was really important for Peter and I both, even though we weren't able to see each other unless it was under Happy Couple Weekend, it was important to us both for us to get to know each other's families.

And so we actually had, our families had like a group message going on. We had like family of nine. And so like our families would, you know, just like text each other different. Yes. How do you pronounce your last name, by the way? Sluss. Sluss?

Yes. Sluss. Sluss. Oh, that must have been fun when you were young. Sluss. But we had like a family group message going on just so like our families could feel united even though we were wow you know so you had you had group texts going on with families and you're like molding the families together

yeah yeah my family was so excited um because they knew i was like so in love with peter and i you know i saw peter as just like the greatest gift I've ever been given and I knew that like I think his parents always knew that I was always going to like stand by his side and love him and take care of him and you know my parents you know believe that from Peter as well so of course both families were really supportive and excited and just really excited you know for AFR to where our families could like be together that didn't happen so at what point like at what point on these group texts was peter like slowly because like my family's on a group text i have like you know i have 10 siblings and my parents

and they're texting all day long i have i mean i'm a dick i have them on mute and i like i come in like i can't keep up because like honestly lots of times they're texting about things that are going on in Wisconsin and it's just like this doesn't relate to me was Peter did Peter like mute himself at some point like at what point was Peter like responding less and less for you were getting worried about like is is Peter gonna I mean at what point did you sense that there might be something off with Peter and then did't reflect in his group text messages. Didn't reflect in my group messages. The, you know, the, you know, things that Peter had told, you know, my mom and my parents, my family felt confident that he was, you know, going to stay by my side and like support

me as well as I'm supporting him through this awkward time of the show airing. So my parents didn't pick up on anything, you know, the times that they did speak. Times that I picked up on things was when the season started. And that was when the whole wishy-washiness kind of began. So when the season started, he got weird? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like what way? And I'm like, oh, crap.

Oh, crap. Something's about to go down. But what specifically, though? As the season started, you know, it was difficult for me because we're still getting to know each other. You know? Yeah. We're doing long distance. It's hard.

It's very hard. You're trying to get to know each other and you're trying to fill each other out and really kind of get into the rhythm of how we talk through different problems we're having. So conversations kind of started about his struggles of watching the show. But it was very downplayed. He, you know, asked me to stay by his side, asked, you know, you know, telling me that we're going to get through this, you know, telling my mom that he was going to stay by my side and support me that we were going to get through this difficult time.

He was having trouble processing his emotions, more geared towards that. time he was having trouble processing his emotions more geared towards that um there'd be like little peeps of it that were more of a red flag here and there but at the end of the day you know he was my partner and if someone's asking me to stay with him i'm gonna stay with him especially during this circumstance where you're far apart you're having to watch your fiance on tv he's doing all this press it's a very awkward time. So just out of curiosity, did you have, because I'm just listening to you talk, right? And it sounds like as someone who was in Peter's position and who got engaged, how can I say this eloquently? You seem to be a very calming presence for Peter, right? I didn't have that experience. It was more the other way around

where, and again, in fairness to people in your position or Vanessa, it's like, it's very hard to be the winner. I've said this, it's sometimes the hardest because you can't tell, you know, you have this experience with all these women on the show. You kind of feel alone because like, you can't tell them. And if they even sense that you won, there's a little bit of, I don't know, not jealousy, but competing, et cetera, et cetera. So I spent a lot of time trying to talk with Vanessa about like trying to calm her. When the show started airing, like it wasn't necessarily me having a change of heart and not that she had a change of heart either.

It was just a lot of discussions and confrontations and quite honestly arguments about the show. And yet I'm hearing you talk and it seemed like you were the calming force for Peter while he was having peaks and valleys with his emotions. I mean, was that true? Or did you ever have a moment where you freaked out? Do you freak out, Hannah Ann?

No, I do. Yeah, I mean, we definitely had moments, but we never like argued necessarily. I mean, not that I can remember. We weren't ever like going at it, like fighting. argued necessarily. I mean, not that I can remember. We weren't ever like going out like fighting. Um, my point was always just like, we always try to put each other, um, like I was trying to put myself in his shoes and he always tried to put my himself in my shoes. And that really helped with us. We were able to see like different points of views and like, yeah, as a bachelor, like I understood he was under a lot of pressure. And at the end of the day i always wanted to keep the big picture in mind and you know the goal or winning per se is me and peter

walking away from this experience together and that's always what was on the forefront of my mind which helped bring a lot of like clarity when you're kind of having like the anticipation of the season starting or seeing certain like scenes. Yeah. So you just, you seem remarkably level-headed for this experience. And it's interesting because I think sometimes people, again, going back to if you were ever criticized, it was almost because you seemed level-headed. If you had people thinking you weren't sincere, it was almost because of that. Does that sense where it's just like if you're not losing your shit and you're not like yeah pulling a victoria f uh then you can't like it was like you know people were

criticizing victoria but everyone was like well at least she must like clearly mean it because i don't know she's losing her shit but do you. But have you always been this way where you're very level-headed? And do you have to feel like you have to defend yourself by being that way? Because I know I did too because on Andy's season, I was called the strategic one because that was like, well, I'm doing this because it makes sense. And yet you seem so level-headed about your decisions. And I don't take that as insincerity, but I feel like some people did. Right. Like walking into the

mansion day one, like I was there for Peter and was going to do whatever that I could to maximize my time and to put us first. And so whenever like, you know, it got hard during the show or even afterwards, I always, you know, placed us first and keeping the big picture in mind. Like I didn't ever want to get wrapped up into the show or wrapped up into, you know, the roses. I always wanted to think like long-term me and him, we're going to get through this because I wanted, you know, at that time I wanted to be like Sean and Catherine Lowe. Like I wanted that, like that's the picture that I had in mind of us even before I got engaged, you know, like I am like, I'm very creative. Like I'm a visual and I always kept that

like right in front of me so that I wouldn't get wrapped up into anything. You know, again, you know, at the end of the day, like, did it really matter that he was making out with this person or gave this person a rose before me? It matters, you know, when two people are together and choosing each other every day. That's what I wanted. That's all I wanted, someone to choose me every single day.

It sounds, you sound almost too damn pragmatic, where, again, like, you were the person on the show and it it was like pain like in a in a sincere way painful to watch because you're like telling peter hey listen like hey listen if you have sex with other women it's you're crying while doing this um but you were like again like not like i was very defensive of madison in that moment saying like you know all the things, all the debates on whether she should have said this or she should have said that. I had no problem with Madison struggling with the idea that it bothered her.

And it seemed like it bothered you, but you just decided once again to put yourself in Peter's shoes and say, if you have to do this, we'll get through it. I just find it to be... Where does this come from have you like well when i made that statement during fantasy sweet week it wasn't in regards to hey peter here's your hall pass no no no no no okay what my state no no no because it sounded like a hall pass no i was not giving peter weber a hall pass. No, I was not giving Peter Weber a hall pass. What were you doing? You know, I was putting myself in his shoes. You know, you do what you need to do to get to where I'm at. And after all this, this is when we truly start. Because right now, this is like, it's open. You're dating other people. You know, this is like your journey with it all. And if you just, if you choose me at the end, then it will all be worth it. And that's when we truly begin when

cameras are not around when it's just us. Um, that's where that was coming from. Cause I was having like the big picture in mind. Um, I made the, I made the choice that I thought was best for me and him. Um, but I never wanted to pressure him. Like, that's the thing. I thought was best for me and him. But I never wanted to pressure him. Like, that's the thing. I'm not the kind of girl that's, like, pressuring you to choose me or this. I wanted to make him, I wanted to leave that door so open to where, at the end of the whole experience, he did everything that he needed, you know, whatever that was, to where he knows exactly what he wants and that's me. To avoid a situation that I got myself into.

Maybe you're just not dramatic enough for Peter. Maybe. I don't know. You know, like, I don't know. Maybe Peter's just, he... I don't play games. I'm very straightforward. It's funny because a lot of people say that, right? A lot of people are like, I don't play games. I'm very straightforward. It's funny because a lot of people say that, right?

A lot of people are like, I don't like drama. I'm not a drama. But you showed it. You truly don't. And it's almost like maybe that was too simple for Peter. And that's a compliment to you. But that is wild. Now, before we'll wrap up, uh, talking about Peter, but, uh, I am

more curious about your dad's relationship with him. Cause I know he was really hard on Peter, not hard on Peter, but he was very direct with Peter. And you had this group chat, like, uh, before, uh, Peter broke up with you, like what conversation did Peter talk to your dad or anything? Like what conversations did he have or, or, or not at all? Did he just break up with you like what conversation did peter talk to your dad or anything like what conversations did he have or or not at all did he just break up with you so my dad's a lot like me like we're very direct like we don't play games and so my dad's saying to peter you know don't waste a word don't say that to my daughter say you're falling in love with her unless you truly mean it because you know the family you know what the family i grew up in like words are very powerful mean what you say um and so my dad knew that about me he knew that if peter were to say i love you or to get engaged to me how

seriously i would take that peter didn't listen to my dad's forewarning, Ranger X. But, yeah. So after we broke up, my dad reached out to Peter. After you broke up? Yeah. Okay. After we broke up. What did he say? Because after we broke up, it was just kind of silent.

My parents were like, where do we go from here? So I reached out to Peter just wanting to know if he was going to, like, be single or not after the final rose. And Peter said that basically was saying that he couldn't answer that. So your dad wanted to know, of protecting you just saying hey listen it's one thing you broke up with my daughter fine but like um he i guess was your dad just trying to protect you and not have you be blindsided that you were gonna he's gonna parade out you know assuming madison saying oh i'm in love now and maybe even propose or you know who knows right like yeah i mean and my dad was you know his point is you proposed to my daughter national television you broke up with my daughter on national television at least allow her

to have this moment in private to know if you are getting back with someone else or who whoever that would have been because it was never very clear to me that we broke up because of Madison you know just like he told my family he's processing his emotions he said tidbits here and there but like it's very it was so downplayed and wishy-washy so yeah my dad did reach out um. Obviously, he said he couldn't answer that. And I was like, okay, cool. Did you feel like you had your answer when you said, I can't answer that? Yeah. When he said that, do you assume that he was talking to Madison?

When he broke up with you, did he mention Madison? He didn't say anything about having feelings for Madison still, or, or did you just act like it was a clean breakup? No, no, no. Um, you know, there was like, I mentioned, you know, him meeting closure with Hannah Brown. And then with, in regards to Madison, he said it was hard to watch his scenes with her. So, um, I, I i i honestly had no idea but at least i knew that kind of going into it so for all you knew though when he broke up with you he might have pursued hannah brown yeah i mean i i had honestly no idea i was in i was literally on a roller coaster of so much torn conflicted and confusion like well that's wild to think

because you know we watch the show right and then you know we watch peter break up with you then we watch chris harrison go um talk to madison and come out but it's crazy that's the first time i'm seeing yeah yeah but it's crazy just like any other viewer i'm like totally uh and chris harrison's here i'm like because it's funny because i just always dismiss the hannah brown rumors it's like fun um fan theories obviously because you know especially when she went on the show she was at dancing with dancing with the stars so there's no way like she joined the show but to hear you say that realizing that for all you knew he could have been pursuing hannah brown and and not Madison is kind of wild to think about.

I mean, obviously he didn't, but you were totally in the dark. And it probably made as much sense to you as Madison because he literally asked to call Hannah Brown. And then he broke up with you like a week later. Yeah, that was our last happy couple so like a week or two wow have you talked to madison at all madison uh i spoke with her right after her and peter broke up um and we're gonna plan to go get some coffee or dinner next time she's in la uh madison so she reached out to me after the breakup um we we were really good friends on the show um really good friends actually are you and so yeah what are your thoughts about madison are we good friends now

i'm definitely open to going to get coffee i I said, hey, let's go get coffee or dinner next time you're in L.A. And we'll go from there. I mean, I think everyone involved just wants to move forward. And me and Madison, we were really good friends on the show. And we'll see, you know, where this coffee date brings us to. All right. That's going to be an interesting coffee date no cameras allowed are you out there are you out there dating now like what's uh you i know what you went on ellen you said you wanted to

date tyler c we don't know what's going on tyler c and hannah what no you don't or um i think every girl could say that they have like you know a, a crush on him, think he's cute. Literally, they just asked me who I would date or who I would think is cute from like, so that was more anecdotal, not like serious. Yeah, yeah. It's not like Tyler Cameron. No, I was just like, he's cute. He's hot.

I think everyone would agree to that. Gotcha. Are you actively dating? I know you said, you you said you're out there. You're ready to mingle. Other than obviously right now we're all kind of stuck in our homes, but you can go on dating apps. You can slide into people's DMs.

People can slide into yours. How active are you out there really trying to mingle right now? Yeah, really trying to mingle on the facetiming and texting since i'm quarantined i mean um i fun fact i actually haven't been out on like a legit date yet because before all of this was right before afr and like i was just you know going out with like friends um couldn't date obviously, because I could have still been engaged. And now I'm definitely getting to know some people. There's one person in particular I'm excited to go on a date with after.

Oh, so you've set up a date? Yeah. I mean, I'm getting to know different people. There's one person in particular I'm really excited. Can we name? Yes, you can. Are we not naming names yet uh no this is gonna be kept private until uh is a is it a normal person or does he have uh more than 10 000 instagram followers i'm sure he does he's he's someone that's been really nice and i'm excited to get to know more and it's weird

because like when i'm actually liking someone now it's not not the whole world knows about it like it's nice just to like have private conversations slowly get to know someone and not have everyone know every detail but we're still in the early stages like you're not you're not you're not exclusive with this person. No, I'm not going to be exclusive for a while. And during quarantine time, you're open to other random gentlemen reaching out to you. Oh, yeah. I'm not going to be exclusive for a while.

I'm getting to know lots of different people. But I will say one person in particular that I'm excited to go on a date with after all this is over with um really excited about it did he slide into your dms or how did he make it move he did he okay the move was he slid into my dms and i was like freaking out i was like oh my gosh oh oh someone cool okay yeah yeah it's definitely someone cool i'm like you're so hot was uh what's what's their profession oh oh actor for sure what's what's their profession i can't because it's gonna give it away how is that gonna give it away it's no one i've been seen with but it is someone that I'm going to try to keep this private. But we just want a profession.

He's an actor, Nick. He's a famous actor. I don't know. Oh, my God. Hannah and Leonardo DiCaprio. Oh, my God. Isn't he in a relationship? Yeah.

Hannah might be a little too old for Leo, no? No. But I'm still, like, I'm not exclusive. I'm not going to be exclusive for a while. You're excited about this, you know, hot, semi, maybe super famous actor. Hunk. Guy who's. He might not even be an actor.

He might not be. He could be a musician or an athlete. You know, they say this is like a good, it's a fun time to get to know someone because you really like get to know them without any of like the sexual stuff. I totally agree. I mean, for all the people, I think this is,

I mean, obviously with quarantine or self-isolation, there's some certainly drawbacks, but totally you can like, if you are talking to someone, I'm surprised like you, like, are you guys texting or this guy are you facetiming because rochelle's right this is a great time to like you know play 20 questions have a conversation like this you can really get to know someone like removing any type of sexual tension especially for you someone who's trying to like be a little low-key certainly um you have a lot of privacy,

texting or FaceTiming. Are you trying to take advantage of that? Yeah, it's actually really nice. I can really get to know the person before we go out on a date or go on a walk to where I'm like, I'm really interested into this person before possibly being seen or whatever.

Gotcha. Hey, I got one question about peter i forgot to ask you and then we'll keep going into your current peter your love life no no no one more question with these questions it was really interesting when the uh when peter peter was very um even proud and very loud about no one's going to spoil this season right and so uh when the season ended he was engaged to you like kind of like any other normal season the fact that madison laughed okay whatever like that doesn't really matter like when people say spoiled is like is the bachelor engaged or with someone

did that bother you at all that he was saying this or like when he said that like did it make sense to you at first that he was saying this in terms of no one's going to spoil it because it didn't did it mean seem like he was planning on breaking up with you you get what i'm saying it's like why is it like why aren't people going to spoil this like your family knew some people knew like how is he so certain that it wasn't going to be spoiled okay that's a good question um, I did not get that at all. So Peter and I, he didn't, I don't think, Peter didn't get engaged to me with the intent, this is what I'm going to do to make it an ending no one can guess. It was more of, we agreed we were not going to say anything, not even to our closest friends. And when I would actually travel for Happy Couple, I would wear a wig and i had like a secret name so like when we were talking on the phone yes um i had a blonde wig and i called him josh and he called me avery okay so like he would always just call me avery so yeah i was avery and he was Josh, Josh and Avery. Um, and so like we had like

code names and so we were just very committed, not telling any of our friends. And you have to think if you tell one friend, they might, you know, have a fun night out and might say something. So that's where that was all coming from is that we were not going to say a word. I was wearing my wig and everyone went to go see him we we didn't even call each other our actual names we we had fun with it oh all right as weird as that might sound no it's just like but i'm not avery anymore i don't ever want to hear me call that name again yeah i mean it was just kind of interesting because like you know like vanessa and i did that i called her mindy you know i i think she i don't forget what she called me uh mindy mindy maze was her name in my phone oh really um i don't know how

i came up with that um but yeah it was just interesting that peter was so certain of it and the fact that it played out the way it did is almost like ironic or coincidental you know because like had you guys because like had you guys not had you guys not broken up it would have been like someone was going to find out i would think i don't know i mean typically in the past you know people find out from like i don't know family or friends you know someone will say something um and literally it was only like our immediate family that knew, not even our closest friends, which was so weird. Cause like I came back and my best friend would

be like, so what happened to be like, I can't say, I can't say. And you know, that was so hard just not being able to, you know, even at first I was keeping an exciting secret and a secret that was that I couldn't wait to share with the whole world my happiness and afterwards I was keeping a secret that was even harder because I was sad and I was like going through like a breakup and just the anticipation of just knowing the whole world was going to know and like you know have their different opinions on it was even harder because it's like i'm keeping a secret that's not exciting so it's well not for you it was very exciting to watch though sorry it was i'm glad everyone got some entertainment out of uh out of my breakup so were you were you bummed

that they like announced the bachelorette so early because it seemed like you know by the time the finale came everyone was like on board for you you know what i mean yeah yeah um any other season it might have been you um i am not ready um for that in what way um i'm not ready to, you know, I'm still, I've moved on, but also it's different. Like right now, like dating, no one knows about it. It's private, but to be dating publicly again, um, on such a national scale, dating, not just one person, but 20 plus different guys, that's a huge responsibility. And if I were to ever do that, I would want to be just so emotionally and mentally strong to where that i could take that on because you know like i always said putting myself in peter's shoes and that was a big responsibility like that's a lot of filtering through so many different personalities and emotions so that would have been really hard

to like do that turnaround had they asked you to be the bachelorette you would have said no yes no fine i i have to i have to believe you yeah i mean you have to think i mean that's a huge responsibility i don't know so many different guys i mean it really is it's just hard it's uh also hard for people to say no you know no got engaged, you know? I get it. I just got engaged. You know, like I was very, like in my mind and heart, I was already thinking in the future for us. And so it's like losing the person I thought he was, but losing the future I thought I had. And that's, you know, it takes some time to kind of, you know,

get back on your feet, which I have. Do you think knowing what you know? I want to take just one person right now do you think knowing what you know now about hannah uh hannah brown and peter do you think peter should have said no to being the bachelor knowing i think if you know peter and hannah not me, were meant to be together, something would have worked out for them. I just mean more in the sense like what you just described, why you would have said no to the bachelorette, being like you were still processing the breakup, even though you're dealing with it. And Peter admitting to you that he was still processing his feelings for Hannah.

Do you think he was emotionally ready to take on the responsibilities, as you said, of being the bachelor? And do you think that played a role in how messy the season got? Yeah. I mean, this past season was really messy, but Peter did the best that he could. I don't know if I could say he shouldn't have been The Bachelor because I don't ever want to take that away from him or minimize his feelings because he did the best that he could and he'll find love in a different way.

Well, it's very, very, very nice of you to say. I know. I just, you know... You seem like, yeah, you seem okay with it. And you were a little tough on Peter at AFR. You know, you could have said whatever you wanted. Everyone was going to agree with you in that moment. But have you, now that a few weeks have gone by, that do you still stand by all the things that you said to Peter?

Or is your heart a little softer about the whole experience? No, I stand by everything I said to Peter. Yes, this is a TV show, but also this is my life. And I needed to do and say what I needed to where I could move forward after and like I've had like my final piece and that's what I did um did I was I aware that everyone was going to have different opinions yes and everyone has a right to that but I did what I needed to where I could be like peace out I said what I needed so now that you are excited about this new musician slash actor slash person

in Hollywood. Not a musician. I'll say that. We're narrowing it down. All right. So back to actor. Race car driver maybe? It's Leo. I picked it. I guessed it the first time. It's not Leo. Isn't he in

a relationship? Everyone's going to be like going on their phones. I'm fine. I am fine to spread the rumor that you're, that Leonardo DiCaprio slitting your DM if you want to go. So does this mean like, are you actively hoping to maybe be hanging out with someone that when, I mean, who knows when they're going to film Paradise, you know,

but is that something that's at least on your radar to consider or not? Paradise, I'll see closer to the time where I'm at. I'm not going to close the door on any opportunity, but before getting myself into anything, I want to make sure that I'm ready because it's a lot to take on. It's a lot different. Yeah. I heard Paradise is a lot different.

Weren't you on Paradise? I was on everything, Hannah Ann. You're the king of Bachelor. Paradise is fun. It's a lot of fun. If you are single and open to... Oh, I'm going to be single for a while. And slightly...

I mean, you can be kind of open to meeting someone. You don't even really have to be that open to meeting someone. But it's a lot of fun. And you might be surprised. It is interesting if they... Assuming when they get around to shooting Bachelor in Paradise, like everyone's available. Madison,

Hannah Ann, Victoria F. Like because Claire's the bachelorette, like everyone's a free agent. Everyone can go on the beach. Yeah. Who from your season? Who knows that the beach is actually going to happen though?

Yeah. We don't know. Yeah. Highly doubtful. Highly doubtful. At some point it's going to happen. I just don't know if the beach is actually going to happen, though. Yeah, we don't know. Yeah. Highly doubtful. Highly doubtful. At some point, it's going to happen. I just don't know when. I mean...

It could be filmed, like, in California. Maybe it doesn't have to be in Mexico. Who knows? But it'll be on some sort of beach that much when they get around to it. Is there anyone from Paradise that would make you... Is there anyone from your season that would make you reluctant to to say yes to if you knew they were going no that's no no i i know i know that's like not a fun answer no it's fine but it it's honestly just the truth i mean everyone would be fun you're clearly not dramatic hannah ann which is funny because like i just like to have a good time yeah but the first two episodes everyone thought you're going to be, Hannah Ann, which is funny because like, I just like to have a good time.

Yeah. But the first two episodes, everyone thought you were going to be like the super villain and then you mellowed out. But you, uh, you seem, unless you're good at hiding it,

you don't seem very dramatic in a, in a very positive, great way. Maybe you're just not great TV. Yeah. Maybe I'm not good TV. I don't know. Well,

we know that's not true. We know that's not true we know that's i mean my my whole personal life has been um i feel like the past not being great tv yeah that's not true nick but do you think you kind of like push your emotions down like do you feel like you have a habit of just like oh everything's fine you know what i mean yeah yeah you do i yeah tell me yeah did can you think of a time that you just were so mad that you lost your shit like you're just what what was the last time you just went off on somebody afr i think is probably one of the most heated times of like i was you were still very measured

you were i mean again that's a compliment you were classy you were very classy no i mean like have you ever told to me have you ever pulled like a victoria f where it's just like you did some shit and afterwards you're like i don't know what happened i'm sorry like i i think i need to do that maybe Maybe I wouldn't be at the position I was in. No, no, no. Full of Victoria. Listen, talking to you here, I really like, I think it's great that you, it's so hard for people in general to, when faced with conflict of any kind, to have their first thought be, what is it like for the other person?

And quite honestly, most people never get to that point. And when people do, they're not 23 years old and they're not 24. Usually that's after a few years of dealing with some shit and they're like, you know, they get better at that. So I think it's great that you are like that.

It's just, it's always, everyone has their moments. And I'm wondering if you know, they get better at that. So I think it's great that you are like that. It's just, it's always, everyone has their moments. And I'm wondering if you've, maybe you haven't had yours where you just completely lost it. I don't know. Well, I mean, I think that a lot of that comes from, you know, I loved Peter. I was in love with him and I was wanting to do anything to make it work. And we both were just like, let's put each other, let's put one another first. No, I know. And let's see where that takes us's put each other, let's put one another first. No, I know.

And let's see where that takes us. I think that's, yeah, I, no doubt that you did. It took us down like the wrong path. But I'm saying this, like some people.

I think, I'm going to, I think it's good. But most importantly, this is going to sound crazy, but I believe in the process. Like I believe in the process of being the bachelor, bachelorette.

And I wanted it, I wanted to honor it every step of the way. Even the part afterwards where you're having to look back and watch the season, even how awkward that is, I wanted to continue to, because it's a choice and commitment that I made, and I wanted to make it work. And even crazy, this is going to sound crazy, but I still believe in it. Like I still think it could work for people.

It clearly can because it has. But it's like super ironic, but it takes someone like you. Discipline and commitment. Well, it takes someone like yourself who's willing to see this experience as unique because what a lot of people, like, you know, people criticize Madison, and I see both sides, right? Like, I see, I've made the argument that, like, hey, listen, Madison, this is, to Madison, this is a real experience. And then she's just trying to make this experience real life, because it's going to be real life. And some people can't

do that. You had the ability to say, yeah, it's going to be real life and some people can't do that um you had the ability to say yeah it's going to be real life and eventually if i end up with peter we're going to make it real but like i this is this experience isn't normal and so i can't have the exact same expectations in this moment and again like most people in your position haven't had that experience. And it's funny that it takes someone with a mindset that you have to make a bachelor relationship work. And you weren't really given a fair crack at trying to make it work, which is, you know, it's a bummer. But you seem to have the right mindset about it because most people can't do that. And quite honestly, I didn't have that mindset when I was, especially in Andy's season, I was just like, how do I, like, she didn't end up picking me,

but I was like, man, if she's going to have sex with so-and-so, what am I going to do? Can I get engaged? And I had all these questions, you know, in my head that eventually it didn't matter, but it was, I'm impressed with your ability to process this experience the way you have. Because a lot of people aren't able to do that. Aw, well, thank you. It was funny the other day because I'm, you know, unpacking my things. And it was the first episode of the season that aired. I actually, I wasn't going to watch. I told Peter, I was like, I'm not going to watch this season.

You know, this is about, this is the past. And I'll watch our scenes. And I'm focused on me and you and, you know, building our future. So I was going to watch this season. So I actually went out and I did a pottery class with some of my girlfriends. And, you know, this is when I was in love and engaged. I made a ring holder. And I put it, you know, this is when I was in love and engaged. I made a ring holder and I put it, you know, Weber on it. I was like, so cute, you know, and it's actually unpacking my things.

And I see this ring holder that I made for myself. Now it is the designated shot glass. so I'm like what am I gonna what am I gonna do with this um Weber ring holder shot glass it's gonna be a shot glass did you have to give the ring back yes I did have to give the ring back damn it but I still have my um ring holder that I made that you know and every time I take a shot I'll think of the 60 days I was engaged. I was 60 Day Fiance. That's what I call myself. 60 Day Fiance?

I love it. I have the ring box. Oh, you kept the box? I don't know why. I think Vanessa left it. I think I still have it. I actually think it's in this drawer right over here. Go get it. Oh, my gosh. Should I see if i can find it hold on yeah did you find it

nick here it is neil this is neil lang right there oh my gosh that's hilarious so i have my shot glass and you have oh i have an empty this this this is very metaphorical it's very symbolic of my life it's a an engagement ring that's completely empty inside um you know what it's uh i'm i'm glad i have this it's a you know someday it'll be a fun story to tell i'm still i'm still i mean i don't know what i'll do with my shot glass i mean it has a big w on it oh no i think you should totally keep it i think it's awesome that you're doing what you're doing with it uh everyone who comes over takes a picture going out yeah like has to take a shot out of the w ring holder so tell tell me um you're like what do you know what your love language is? My love language?

Words of affirmation. Is it? Have you taken it? Yeah. Yeah, it's words of affirmation. Words of affirmation! I mean, Peter likes to use his words. He loves to use his words, and I eat it up.

I'm like, oh, really? So describe, now that you've had this breakup with peter uh what have you learned about yourself uh in terms of granted that was a unique experience but when you're dating around and this new guy that you're excited that you're trying to get to know uh tell me uh like qualities in a man um that not not generic ones but like you know obviously you want to make you laugh and he's nice and respectful, but what are some things that are quirks about a guy that you really like, that you find interesting

or you hope to have in your next relationship? Someone that is decisive, just knows what they want and has shown that, just in the little things like is very like aware and someone that is like I'm looking for someone like emotionally really strong whether that's they've gone through like something really hard in their past or someone that has had a major setback and has been able to come back from it because I think that's really attractive when someone is very like mentally,

emotionally strong. Um, so that I know that I could be like led in that direction as well. Someone like family oriented as well. Obviously. But like, have you ever felt that way or do you think that's, do you think that's a,

I mean it sounds quite honestly, it sounds like that's something that is a result of this experience, which it makes total sense. But also that, I mean, it makes sense in general. How do you think you're going to find that? Do you think, like when you're talking to this guy, like how are you going to be like, hey, tell me about a you uh things didn't work out for you yeah i think moving forward it's just gonna be like taking things slow and just getting to know the person on a day-to-day basis um and just like using my instincts you know because i'm able just to be with that person and know that they're not if i do decide like to be exclusive with someone one

day which is very far from now i'm able just like we're just able to focus on each other that person and know that they're not if i do decide like to be exclusive with someone one day which is very far from now i'm able just like we're just able to focus on each other versus like on the show i think that was more difficult for whoever the bachelor bachelorette is which i always was like showed compassion towards because they're managing or they're juggling multiple different yeah you seem i mean relationships you're you you said multiple times on this this podcast that you were definitely going to stay single for a while. Yeah. And yet you want a guy who's knows what he wants and decisive.

So just for fun, if this gentleman, actor, Leo guy that you're, you're talking to, uh, you start talking, we're in this quarantine.

You guys are FaceTiming every day. You're talking a lot. And then, you know, and hopefully sooner than, we're outside, we're going on dates and you're, you're able to go out and date with this guy and you, you, you hit it off. And he's just like, decisively Hannah Ann, I'd like you to be my girlfriend. Are you like, do you think you're going to be like, Oh, I don't know. I need some free time. Or are you going to like his decisiveness about wanting to commit to a relationship with you? I'm going to take things really slow. I'm going to enjoy my free time, in essence, just focusing on myself, my family, my friends, and see where that takes me. Because I have picked

up on that when I am very straightforward, I don't play games either, like you or I don't. When I'm with someone, I'm all in. And, you know, I want to enjoy some time just growing my own self before I go all in with someone. You want to have some fun. Because I'm very committed. Like, I'm very, like, when I'm in something, something like i jump right in it and i will be with that you know i'm very loyal and i'll always stand by that person so i i realized that about

myself and i want to be more careful next time and what do you mean next time what do you mean more careful i mean you're on the bachelor be more careful as in who i'm giving my heart to because remember like uh that was kind of like my biggest problem in the beginning of me and Peter on the show was in Santiago. I don't know if anyone, if they remember, you know, I was very guarded with my emotions and my heart. And

I guess I need to be more of that since I've been so, you know, burned. Yeah, maybe not. I don't know. I mean, I don't... No, that's not how love works. You gotta get back in. You gotta get hurt again.

I gotta get right back in it. I mean, listen, I'm a big believer... I'm gonna enjoy some fun. I'm a big believer in learning from experiences. Like, you know, you saying, hey, I want... I really value decisiveness and someone who's kind of been through it

not to create more confusion, but to know what they want. And I've learned that from my past relationship. But I definitely agree with Rochelle is that sometimes when we face like a heartache or breakup and we feel embarrassment or whatever, sometimes we have a tendency of becoming closed off. And I don't think people should, right? There's a difference between like

having baggage and then learning lessons right and so uh but else it totally makes sense that you want to like you're still young you've moved la you're a new city like you should definitely have your fun but if you meet someone you meet someone like i wouldn't uh i don't think you should be more you know like i don't think i mean this is just you know, like, I don't think, I mean, this is just my, mine and Rochelle's opinion, but like, you didn't seem more cavalier. And I hope that you don't become more guarded because of this experience from the show. And you know what? If you, if you like another guy and you get blindsided again, you know what? You'll, you'll recover once, you'll recover again.

But you never want to right like i don't know we don't want to lose the ability of like our ability to yeah because at that point yeah it's just like you turn into me yeah you're gonna be nick unable to feel anything uh yeah i i hope you don't i hope you don't do that hannah and i hope you you i still i hope you go out there i'm just enjoying my fun yeah well as you should you deserve to do that but if you do meet a nice guy uh i hope that you feel uh comfortable enough with your own decisions and you don't i don't i hope your experience didn't create any more doubt in yourself but rather um more clarity rather yes you know if that makes sense. Yes. And

it definitely has. It's all about like your perspective and what you want to take away from it. So no, I really like your points. Definitely going to grow myself more and focus on me, you know, my family and friends. I mean, because it was like during the show, you know, I was away from everyone. And then afterwards, um, I felt like I was very distracted on me and Peter then afterwards the breakup. And then now I'm kind of at a place where, okay, this is a fresh start. Like I really like, I, you know, I have peace with how everything's ended and I like where I'm at in life and I'm going to keep it. I like this rhythm that I have peace with how everything's ended and I like where I'm at in life and I'm going to keep it. I like this rhythm that I have right now. I'm going to keep it like that for a bit. I think that's great. I think that's great.

And it may not have been the way you want it to work out, but you kind of won the season if there was a winner just by, in terms of if you, if, if it's like, I mean, it's winner, just by, in terms of if it's like- Oh, Nick! I mean, it's like, you know, you have the sympathy of America, right? Like everyone's best moment, and almost always everyone's best moment on that show is when they get broken up with.

It never feels that way, but that's really the reality of it. And then obviously that doesn't usually happen for the person who gets proposed to or wins. But you've had it all like and you got to win and then you had like what anyone would consider the worst possible breakup is to think you won and then on national television still get broken up with for the runner-up is like and now you have the freedom to be young and and still like go out there again, not that you wouldn't have been necessarily happy with Peter had he stayed true to what he said to you. But here you are with the world at your feet, so to speak,

and it should be a lot of fun. I have a question. I know you said the whole plan all along was to move to LA. So I'm just wondering about that plan. Like, were you what's involved in that plan? And like, were you always just going to wait until this age to come out? Or what was going on? Yeah, yeah. So I've lived in like different cities prior. So like, I was living in. prior to the show this past summer.

Oh. Yeah, so after the show, it was always my plan to come back to L.A. and to make it more of a permanent move, not a sublease, and to go back to what I was doing prior to the show, which is being a model. So really coming out to L. know, was for my job. Um, and first of all, you know, in the beginning, cause of Peter and, you know, his family and us being engaged. So I was at whole foods, uh, uh, like a week ago, shopping, stocking up on food and I turned them right. And there's a whole wall of like workout equipment with Hannah Ann's

face on it oh yeah oh yeah that's me are you gonna do acting too or just modeling um just modeling I don't think I'm really a good actor I don't know about acting really I don't know you're in LA You have no plans. No. You'll leave that to your new boyfriend. No, I do not have a boyfriend. I'm single, and I'm loving it right now. I mean, the guy that you're, like, super excited about and hope to grow. There's one guy I'm particularly excited about.

So there's multiple guys is what she's saying. Well, this mystery guy, we don't want him to feel too confident about her excitement. No. He has to earn it. He has to earn it. I'm excited, but we'll see. I'm also

single, so it's not like I'm tied down. Best place to be, I'm also single, so it's not like I'm tied down. Best place to be. I'm taking things slowly. Any opinions on the Hannah Brown and Tyler, whatever that is? Whatever that is. I would definitely root for them to be back together. Me too. You know, especially, you know, being in my position of, you know, you know being in my position of you know an engagement being

broken off you know Hannah Brown had an engagement that was broken off like I feel for her more in a sense of just that public breakup um and just having to like face him at AFR like I totally kind of feel where she's coming from not the same situation but you know similar and you know in a sense so I would love for her to find love and if that could be with tyler that would be they would just be like the hottest couple what a pc answer great no do you think do you think it's do you think that's what it is though i don't know i don't know i mean you're quarantined together so you must be comfortable around each other. It looks like they're having fun with the photos I'm seeing online.

There you go. It looks like the funnest thing ever. I know. All the rest of us are like in our living room. We're like, ugh. They look like so much fun. Like, they're smiling and that would be really cool. I'm sure everyone would go crazy if, you know,

they actually got back together. And if that's what was actually going on, I mean, they have history that they do, you know, they do. Uh, Rochelle,

are we, uh, do we have the, any, do you know me questions for Hannah? Yeah. Should I just ask them? Oh, text me. Text me. should i just ask him oh text do you text me oh nick i meant to tell you my dad said he would love to come on your podcast

he loves like he wanted me to tell you this you're the very first podcast he's ever listened to ever he loves your podcast let's uh let's let's make this let's make this happen rachel he he wanted me to tell you that oh man what if i don't know if we have time but i've been like even if we get him in this like episode yeah just text him the link okay what do you join right now text him the link um is he at work now? Text him the link. Might I just figure it out how to download a podcast? He literally has to click on this link. Thanks to you, Nick. He literally has to click on this link.

There we go. Oh! Ranger Rick in the house. Rick, how are you doing? Hey, doing good. Oh, he sounds great too. Thanks for coming on. I'm on the side of a mountain here in Tennessee.

You know what? In true Ranger Rick form, we appreciate it. Thanks for coming on, man. I appreciate it. You're very welcome. So a couple questions for you. Your daughter, we've been talking with her, obviously, about her experience. Appreciate it. You're very welcome. So a couple questions for you. Your daughter, we've been talking with her, obviously, about her experience.

And she's been lovely and very open. And we appreciate that. But it's been fascinating because obviously, you kind of had your big moment at Hometowns. And you were very direct with Peter. And I remember watching it saying, man, like, how is he, how is Peter not going to pick Hannah?

And after you were so specific, because like, you were like, Hey, don't waste words with my daughter. Peter's like, sure, sir. And then like five minutes later,

he's like, Hannah, and I'm falling in love with you. And I'm like, well, he must be picking her because he wouldn't do this. Um, watching it back

like you Hannah you were you you and Peter were broken up by the time hometowns aired right right so Rick what were your thoughts watching it back about that whole experience knowing that um Peter you know told Hannah Ann that he was falling in love with her and this was after he's proposed to her after he broke up with her. Like, what was that experience like for you as a father watching that back? Well, just,

you know, quite honestly, just a lot of disappointment because, uh, uh, you know, I, I thought Peter was a,

uh, real and genuine person. And I, I still think that he is, he, I didn't realize how confused he was. Yeah. And still, um um and of course i i'm not a person who watches a show on a regular basis so that was kind of my first experience going back through and and watching it i mean i knew what the show was

and i'd seen it before but it wasn't a regular show that i've watched so but anyhow i think this showed how confused he was you know about who he was as a person and kind of what he wanted out of life. And I think he just kind of got caught up into it, you know, and I just I didn't quite understand it, you know. Yeah. No, I mean, were you were you angry at him at all, especially after watching the hometown episode? Or was it just more, you being protective of hannah ann probably more so being protective of uh of hannah you know of course she's our oldest daughter and and uh you know you know only one really that's you know of age where she'd be considering marriage i would guess you could say sure uh so i mean you know when you know when they broke up and seeing your daughter hurt,

it's just like any other child, no matter what, what's hurt them emotionally, you're going to feel that. So yeah, I mean, I'm not going to say I wasn't angry, but that, you know, the angry phase, like for me, it's like, okay, I'm through that. Let's work on what we're going to do from here. So it's not like some, you know, something that lasted for, you know, more than about 24 hours with me as far as being angry. I mean, get it. And then,

then it's what you do afterwards is the most important thing. Yeah. And make sure that you're going to be able to go on. And, you know, of course she was disappointed, you know, you see a,

a young girl that goes away like that and, you know, has, I mean, I think Hannah went on the show for all the right reasons and probably thought that things would work out. I mean, otherwise, why would she have said yes? So I think seeing that level of disappointment in your child is very – it just hurts.

It just hurts. And seeing her hurt that way for several, several days, it just took a while. Yeah, no, I mean, I've literally been there, so I can only imagine. I know when that was happening with me, my parents were just very protective and just wanted me to get over it, so I totally get that. and just wanted me to get over it. So I totally get that. Hannah Ann mentioned that after Peter broke up with Hannah Ann, that you reached out to him just to try to kind of get a sense of where his head was at. Like, is it related to after the final rose? And he didn't necessarily give you an answer that he could, or I'm sure obviously the show probably asked him not to. What was your kind of thinking that way in terms of uh reaching out to him and i guess that's

it's at least it's cool that you guys at least had a a relationship where you could you felt comfortable to reach out to him etc etc and you talked to him yeah i mean we had a lot of you know uh you know interaction while they were together so i mean we i mean these families were coming together i mean we had you know interactions you know i'm not talking in person but over the phone while they were together. So, I mean, these families were coming together. I mean, we had, you know, interactions. You know, I'm not talking in person, but over the phone, that sort of thing. Still, yeah.

With his family and our family. So I just felt like I needed to contact him, you know, one, to let him know how I felt, and two, just to kind of, I just didn't want him to do something uh i just wanted my daughter's i just wanted my daughter to be protected and i was going to be protective of him and i and we haven't come out in the public and and and uh said anything negative or bashed peter i mean that's just not what we would do anyway yeah you know we you know we just thought it was okay this thing took place

in public let's just go ahead and kind of bring closure to it privately. I mean, that's just how I look at it. It makes a lot of sense. And it's definitely hard for the parents, too, because Hannah Ann signed up for this, so to speak. You supported her. But especially around hometowns, these families have no idea what's going on. And they just show up at your house, and you're just more like, is my daughter alive? Is she okay? What's going on? And this guy shows up. So it's always,

it's always very confusing for the families. So, um, you know, yeah. And so everyone's just trying to like, uh, make this as a real situation. So I, I give you guys a lot of credit, uh, you know, for being so involved that way. You know, it's funny cause, uh, Vanessa and I, the girl I got engaged to, we were together for eight months. I don't think our families spoke once. Oh no, no. We, we, we spoke and corresponded quite a bit because, you know, we didn't know them and they didn't obviously didn't know us and all the other boys that Hannah's ever gone out with,

we either knew them personally or we knew their families. I mean, very local type dating, I guess. So this was a new experience from that aspect as well. That's cool. That's awesome, man. It's great that obviously you were so protective of Hannah. And I thought you were a rock star at Hometowns. I love that you were very, very direct with Peter.

And I loved what you said about not wasting any word. We live in a day and an age where it's easy to say things, especially things that we don't necessarily mean. And not that... That was my exact point right there. Don't say a bunch of stuff you don't really mean. So I'm glad that you pointed that out. And again, I'm a fan of Peter.

I've said this a hundred times. He was in a difficult position, but I've been there before and I've seen some parents, and again, because it's all very confusing, some parents are just so excited about this atmosphere. They even kind of, they get caught up in it, in terms of like the camera and the crew and this whole situation. But it was great to, other fathers have, but it was great to have you have that

kind of moment with Peter saying like, you know, very like, do not waste these words. Because it's interesting when it comes to breakups on the show or out of the show, like when we do break up in relationships, we have a tendency of thinking about what that person said to us. Like, well, why'd you say that to me? Or what, you know, you said you loved me or you, or you got engaged. I love what Hannah Ann said. You know, I kind of said the same thing to Caitlin on my season, you know, we didn't get engaged, but now Hannah Ann can no longer say I've never been engaged before, you know, like it won't be the first time. No, it'll be different, but it won't, it won't, you know, that's, that won't ever be the same.

And so I get it, you know, and it's, it makes a lot of sense that you had that conversation with, with Peter. Right. Right. How do you, how do you feel about Hannah being out here in LA? We're, we're, We're totally fine with that. She's been out there several times before. Not for the rest of her life,

but she's been out there. Maybe Hannah can correct me on this. I think it was last summer. She was out there for about three months. She has friends out there and I think really likes the area. I think that'd be a good move for her, to be honest with you. She says she's excited about this guy she's been talking to you.

Do you have any insight on that? Don't do that. No. I'm just kidding, Rick. I'm just kidding. No, but she sounds like she's enjoying the single life in a very mature and healthy way. It sounds like you did a great job parenting your daughter, Rick. Oh, Nick.

Hannah's always been real mature for her age. Something that you probably didn't see or pick up on in the show, you've got to remember, Hannah's been out here working on her own since she was 15. A lot of people don't realize that. They think, oh, wow, this little cute girl, she's probably never been away from home. I said, nah, we put her on a plane by herself when she was 15 years old,

and she flew to Dallas for her first job with varsity. That's awesome. Hustling. This girl's been out here working her butt off since she was 15 years old. That's great. Just talking to her now, she seems really level level-headed almost too level-headed for her for her own good and does she get that from you where she seems always very good about even in craziest situations and being on the bachelors there's not many more situations that are crazy um of trying

to put herself in the other person's shoes uh i don't i don't see that a lot in people these days, especially younger people. Did she get that from you or your mom or your wife? Sorry. I would say probably a little of both, maybe a little bit more so on my wife's side, maybe. I think she gets it from both of us. Her mom and I are both very level-headed. We try not to get too excited one way or the other i mean i mean you live on the world i mean i'm 53 so i've

seen a lot of stuff by now i don't get too i don't get too you know whacked out about you know one thing or another you know well that's great man all right well we'll let you go rick i really appreciate you taking the time um great job raising Hannah Ann and keep saving the trees and be safe out there. All right. Thank you. All right, buddy. Bye-bye. That was awesome. Perfect timing. He was so excited. He hopped on it like that. That's great. All right, Hannah Ann, any final thoughts before we let you go? Thank you, for having me this has just been a lot of fun just being able to talk about everything and thanks for inviting my dad yeah we love love having rick on uh well i thought you did a great job this season i've always been a hannah ann fan and uh i think uh

i don't think i hope people start appreciating uh appreciating just how you approach this season and your level-headedness and your ability to, again, like, put yourself in the other person's shoes. And that's actually a great thing and not something where, you know, just because someone's able to be level-headed doesn't mean they don't care, I guess is what I'm trying to say. It might mean that they care more to where they don't let their emotions get the best of them. Yeah, I think sometimes that can be very easily misunderstood by people. I think it's a great quality. I hope you can continue to have that in your future relationships, whether it's your friendships or with your actor friend. Okay, you're stuck on the actor, which is funny. Is it not? Is it wrong? Am I wrong?

All right. I'm just messing with you. All right, Hannah Ann, I really appreciate you coming on. It's been a lot of fun. Thanks for listening, guys. And I hope you enjoyed this podcast with Hannah Ann. It's our first one doing from my home and doing virtually. So I feel like it went pretty well, pretty seamless. We always appreciate your guys' patience as we kind of get through this together. I can't emphasize enough that stay inside, practice social distancing, listen to the experts. enough that stay inside, practice social distancing, listen to the experts, you know, protect your family and friends and people you've never met in your life. And we'll get through this all together. And we will see you next time on Monday. Thank you guys.