The Viall Files - E1091 - Age Of Attraction with Theresa, Tyler Cameron, Love Is Blind Finale & RHOBH

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

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by the new and very talented sexy host of the new hit show coming out tomorrow on Netflix Age of Attraction Natalie Joy was with us. I'll take that intro. It is age of... It is Age of Attraction Eve. The Eve of Age of Attraction. Miss Host Natalie, can you give me a host line?

Give me your host voice and just say something about the moment here. Or you can leave here the same way you entered it. Alone. Oh, period. Period. Alone. He said or, so I'm going to leave together.

How excited are you? So excited. Guys, I'm excited. I'm excited for you all. Okay. Because this is a really fantastic show. We just finished it over the weekend. I've been optimistic.

You know, obviously we're, you know, you want it to be good. When we filmed it, we're like, this thing has some potential. I think we got something here. But you never are sure how they're going to put it to. together, it's incredible. It's awesome. Yeah. If you're someone who feels unrepresented and dating shows on TV, on reality TV, love competition shows, this is not a competition show. I would argue that age of attraction is the most realistic social experiment when it comes to love and dating on TV. What makes it different? Well, one, again, with the cast, it's 40 singles,

half men, half women, again, from 60 to 22, and a big, you know, a big chunk of those people are in your 30s and 40s. That's the, that's the, I think, makes up the core of this group. And I think there's a lot of people out there watching these shows, you know, typical, you know, your bachelor shows, even Love is Blind. You're typically focusing on people in their mid to late 20s, sometimes 30s. It also has a lot of people with a lot of lived experiences, a lot of people who know what heartbreak feels like who have been in different types of relationships and also i think this is a very likable cast including dare i say the men i haven't seen it doesn't exist would you agree mary i would agree i think a lot of these guys in it are very charming and seem to have really good hearts

yeah listen i i i we spent a decent amount of time with these people like we can't say we know them we never dated them we never yeah and to say that there are likable characters does not in any Anyway, stop it from having the drama you desire on these great television shows. Because I think what carries this show is that it really covers a lot of complicated and interesting relationship topics and discussions. You know, for the people who are exploring these connections they're making without initially knowing each other's ages. And then obviously living together and things like that, it gets into the weeds. So we are actually having some interesting dialogue and discussions about. relationships and love and dating obviously we again we watch reality TV it's really a mirror to look at

ourselves in an easier lens and kind of critique our choices in love and dating and i think sometimes the way we get so triggered is because like yeah we might be reminded by someone but again not like in an actual real way and again you you know i'm sure people watching it you might like other characters more than others you you we're not going to say you're going to love everyone here on the show but i think overall it generally it's a seems to be a respectful group. And it seems to be people who, you know, are just fairly normal, but also with them being normal, still bring in interesting conversations because, like, finding love is hard and dating someone in 2026 is difficult. And, like, now more than ever,

we have this desire to make connections. That's what makes a show what it is. It's just, it's a group of 40 people who truly want to, like, they want to meet someone. That was going to be my question, because I was going to ask, like, do you feel? like everyone's there like genuinely looking for love because I feel like a lot of these shows you see the people come on and you're like yeah listen it's uh it's its first season and I think any first season has a benefit of like not having the proof of making anyone famous yeah so you know there there there is that and we had the benefit of that I said the first day of filming I was really you know taken back by the group and they're what felt like genuine enthusiasm to meet people because all

You know, the first show, basically the show starts as a mixer. It's like, all right, here's a bunch of singles. Go meet. There's only one rule. You can't initially talk about your age. Okay. That's it. And that's another thing I find it to be very realistic.

I wonder Nick and Natalie as host of Age of Attraction, if you have seen this Cosmo post from Instagram that was saying, have men on dating shows always been this chopped? First of all, what Gen Zier wrote this headline? I don't even know what chopped means. So chopped is kind of like, you know, like chopped could be busted. Chop is basically like you're in your flop era. Chop is. No, this is helping.

Busted, maybe even cooked. We're getting there. A lot of any just like kitchen terms. By the way, chopped isn't just Gen Z. That's like raw on the internet. Raw vegetable? Yeah. Chopped is basically like, yeah, you're not fine.

finely sliced. You know what I mean? You're a little chopped. You're rough around the edges. Okay. For sure. Yeah. It's bringing a vowel now. Thank you for clearing that up. It's a blunt cooking utensil versus like chefs. Urban dictionary says the fuggliest, nastiest. So if you want the rude definition. Yeah. Y'all know when you feel chapped. The fuggliest, nastiest. Disgusting of them all is what urban dictionary says. Regina George wrote that one herself. Yeah. Anyway, so basically, Cosmo, whatever Gen Z you're at Cosmo, was on the payroll that day, was wondering, have men on dating shows always been this job? And they were said, if this season

of Love is Blind taught us anything, it's that one thing straight men have is audacity. From weight chaming to weird fascinations with virginity, season 10 of Love is Blind has truly taken the cake for gathering some of the most ineligible bachelors together in one place. Although every season has their bad apples,

the ways in which most of the women on the Ohio-based season were terrorized by these guys seems incomparable the previous seasons. What's arguable that men on reality TV have always been chopped. It seems many of us are starting to wake up to the fact that there are simply too many diabolical guys taking over our screens right now. Moral of the story, if they really want to prove love is, in fact, blind, we're going to need these casting departments to get it together because what happened this season should not be

repeated ever. Damn. Wow. They really felt passionately. Certainly an opinion piece. It's definitely true. I mean, like, you think, like, like, Jacks Taylor on television, I feel like if, like, that's he years ago is who we just have like multiples of. Today.

Yeah. And it's like, somebody fed him after midnight and he just multiplied. To that point, that article, it's just like, these are, they seem to be deeply flawed men on this season of love is blind. I also think it's intention too where I'm like, I think, like, for example, Alex ex soccer player, like, what have. killed it on like a squid games live action you know what I mean like I also think that these guys so for example uh they had the vanderpump rules reunion Chris who we've saw on perfect match his relationship didn't work out in the season and they were talking about him being on that reality show and he was like you know I was never really knew what I wanted to do is my life

and then I like kind of like put out the application or whatever and then came back but he like knew he wasn't going for love he was hoping for an opportunity so that's where I'm like I think we're getting a lot of men who are looking for opportunities, but like you're using a platform that's supposed to be about falling in love and then not understanding why you not wanting to fall in love, why we don't like you. Or they're like, I'm using this to like learn something new about myself and like find out if I could get past this one thing. And it's like, well, let's not use a woman and her child to figure that out. It is like marriage at the end. So maybe there's a different route we could take for you to possibly figure out if you could get over these hills. That's what I said. I'm like,

that's why I want to see people who genuinely want to go on these shows and, like, submit to these shows because they want to fall in love or they want to meet somebody, maybe not marriage, but like, hopefully meet somebody to lead to marriage. But like, if I'm getting a bunch of people who are looking for an opportunity because they don't know what else they want to do with their lives, and like, then this is why we get these frustrated seasons, these frustrating seasons. Yeah. Yeah. And part of it, obviously, is the shows and how they want to edit it. You know, like, you look at a Bachelor show. I mean, they oversimplify every character, right? So there's a lot of people who go on there. And, you know, I was the guy who interrupted. And it's like, you know, there's more to me than just that. You know, there's a little bit of... But you were so good at it. I also think, Nick, I was going to say that reality TV is so good at using music to compel the storyline. And, like, going back to, like, the Man Child song that was used last season of Love's Line. I just think there's so much content of, like, music exposing men that act this way that when they get that clip, when these men give them this content, they're like, boom, man child.

And it just blows up on social media. Well, there is that, but I think, again, we've discussed this at great length when we're talking about our favorite Bravo shows. You know, we talked about why we love the Valley Persian style because it's like, oh, they have, like, there's some, like, solid dudes here. Where, like, on Bachelor's one example of, like, it's probably a big of a leap to, like, be able to, like, know these guys' characters from watching the show. It's, like, pretty low stakes stuff. You know, people are made to look like a villain because of, like, nothing stuff. But then you do have guys who are calling their partners a fucking bitch, you know, and throwing drinks and their faces.

And then the question, you know, it's just like, and it only looks like these are the type of men that are out there. I mean, to be fair, it's been going on for a long time, not even just on dating shows. Well, just like reality TV in general. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Tom Schwartz. Yeah. Yeah. Even the nice ones. It's an interesting thing because I do feel like there is this idea. that the only men that are good on reality TV are the ones that treat women poorly.

And I just don't think that's true. I think there are so many, they're like men on reality TV that don't treat women poorly that are compelling television. Oh, we say that with the value of person style. This will be, you know, age of attraction will be a good litmus test for,

do you guys really want to watch? Relatively normal men who have, who bring or women. Who have normal flaws and aren't perfect and make mistakes and say the wrong thing. But they have like, They bring something to the table. They seem to have redeeming qualities. I can't wait.

There's something to root for. We do have a great episode lined up for you today to keep the age of attraction theme going. We have one of its many stars. Teresa is with us. You have seen Teresa on the original clip who looks like she may be dabbling in an age difference relationship. And obviously a big part of this show that focuses on age differences is the question, you or the double standard about older women dating younger men, which I think will be very interesting

and exciting for a lot of people to watch because, again, that's never seemed to be represented on TV. Teresa is with us to talk about her experience on the show and what we can come to expect from watching it. I just wanted to sit down with Teresa and talk about, like, you know, the double standards out there and what has her dating in her life been like and why was she drawn to coming on a show like Age of Attraction. So we have her coming up next. Obviously, then we are going to get into the Love is Blind finale. We do have the reunion this week to look forward to. We also have the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and all that drama going on both on and off the screen.

And your one and only Tyler Cameron's back with us. That's right. Our friend of show and friend of life, Tyler Cameron, is with us to talk about. FOLS and FOL. To talk about the new show that he is hosting, the Becher Man mention takeover. I think it should have been makeover. Like, I feel like it is taken over every single time we see it by bachelor's.

But this time, they're making it over. Yeah. They're making it over so they can take it over. We talk with Tyler about the new show and catch up with him. That's all this episode. And just, you know, good news, bad news. We don't have a going deeper on Wednesday, but we do have an amazing going deeper on Friday. Yay!

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It's so good to see you. It's been a while. So long. When would you film the show? What was it? April? No, we filmed May to June. Yeah.

Yeah. Seems like a lifetime ago. It does seem like a life. It does seem like a while to go. Oh my God. It was so much fun. Well, we are super excited to have you. Obviously, Age of Attraction debuts tomorrow.

And you are one of what I hope is the many stars of the show. We got to see you in the first kind of sizzle or clip. Trailer. Yeah. And you were very much featured on that. I was shocked. Totally surprised. You didn't get a heads out. Well, they did. They told me the night before that I was going to be sort of like the main face or whatever. But you know, you just don't know until you see it. Yeah. And I literally couldn't watch the whole thing. I was like overwhelmed with emotion. I had to put my phone down. I was like in the middle of work. And so I had like people around me and they were just like, what is happening? You didn't know the Afrodisiac conversation was going to be.

And like, I have to say, like, I kind of sound drunk or something. Like what? I was like slurring my words. I wasn't drunk, but I was like, I sound weird. I think that's just watching yourself on TV. You're like, oh my God. Why do I look like that? Why don't I sound like that?

There's something wrong with me. Yeah, I'm like, do I know how to pronounce that word properly? To have fun with ages since this is what this show is about. I'm old enough to know what it's like to record a voice. You're like, hi, you've reached Nick. Voice mail.

Can't come to the phone right now. I know no one's doing that these days. It just goes beep, you've reached a number. But that was always jarring for people. I know. You would be like, that was like the first time you'd ever hear your voice. Yeah.

And you'd be like, oh my God, is that what I sound like to people? Yeah. And then you go on TV. And you try and change it. you'd like repeat it over and over again, but it never changed. It's just your voice. Like, there's nothing you can hear about it. But then you go on TV and it's a whole new experience. Yeah, because then you have your face, your body, your hair, like everything is there.

One of the many reasons why we're excited for this show is how different age groups are getting more representation on this show, specifically for women who aren't in their 20s anymore, who watch some of these shows that they really love, but only feel like that they get to watch. 20-year-olds fall in love. We are really excited that age of attraction will show a spectrum of different age groups and different people at different walks of life with a lot of lived experience that they bring to this show when it comes to finding love and dating. But I am curious for you, what compelled you someone who's at this stage in their life

to go on a show or reality TV show like Age of Attraction and be as vulnerable as you were? Yeah, it was definitely vulnerable. I cried my eyes out like many times. So, you know, I have lived quite a life. Like I've had many breakups. I've been married twice. I've, you know, dated young. I've dated old. I mean, when they came to me and they were like, would you date someone younger? I was like, I've done that. So, yeah, that's not a problem for me. And why are you interested in that? And that, you know, the answer is, the guys who are my age are just not doing it for me, quite frankly. Like, I don't know if it's because I'm not physically attracted to most of them.

I mean, of course, it's like needle and haystack. Like, you can find a guy in my age group that is physically attractive to me. But then there's all the other things. It's like, do they have the energy that I have and want to do the things that I still want to do? I mean, I spent so much time being a mom and raising my kids. And I was, I did it primarily alone. And so my whole life was devoted to them. And so I got to a point now where my kids are all grown and they're living their own lives.

And so now it's like, well, what's left for me? Like that job's done. So I'm like, okay, now I have to find what I want, which is a partner. And they need to meet all of these different. front criteria, quite frankly. And that means, you know, I have to be attracted to them. They have to have have to have like the same energy level as me. It's hard to find that in my age group. Obviously, I feel like older women, and I think you speak to this a lot throughout the show of just like it's not normalized for older women to date younger men and for the other way around. It's like, oh, yeah, sure. See that every

day. I mean, we have that. But recently, Sienna Miller came out and she said, I remember, being 21 and auditioning to be the love interest of a 45-year-old man. Things have moved on since then, but the idea of an older woman with a younger man, for example, is still fetish fetish. Fetish. Fetish-eased.

It is one of those words that when you slow down, it gets harder. It's fetish. You're just got to rush right through. Fetish-eyes. Fetish-eyes. Fetish-eyes. Rather than normalized. There's a disparity there that I would love to see disappear.

I think the whole world is embracing women as they age in a way that is unprecedented. Yeah, so basically the idea of an older woman is still with the younger man is still fetishized. Did you? Yeah, you said it well. Yeah. Did, did, there you go, thank you. Use that one, clip it, rearrange it, thank you. She is the host of a new Netflix show.

Yes. Do you agree with that statement? Oh, completely. I mean, I think women are becoming more and more empowered in every way, like in the workplace. and, you know, in sports and everything. And so why shouldn't it follow through into the world of dating? Like, I mean, I think in general, like the whole age gap thing is still, you know, sort of looked at as, you know, with a big question mark. Like, why?

Like, there's such a mystery around it. But it's like it shouldn't be. Like, we're talking about love here. We're not talking about, like, hurting each other. We're talking about, like, loving each other and finding connection. So what is wrong with that? Like, no matter what the age is. if you have commonalities and, you know, you're happy and the other person's happy and you guys are lifting each other up.

What could be wrong? Period. I remember watching the older women that we followed. And I remember watching like all of you feel more and more empowered each time. You know, it was just like at first you're like, oh no, this feels weird. Should we do it? I don't know. And then it's like, you know what?

No. Like this is what I want to do. This makes me happy. I'm going to do it. Exactly. Yeah, and to your point, like, we're talking about adults looking for love. And I'm sure, you know, you have kids, you have friends, anyone out there dating right now. It's a minefield.

And I think nowadays people are just really having a hard time making connections, period. Yeah. Just because the way the apps, it just kind of like we're losing that ability to kind of slow down and have these face-to-face conversation. with a real open mind. Right. And it was really, that was my, I've said this a few times on our show,

but like when we got there, day one, when you guys all walked in and we're standing there, greeting you all, and just like watching you all day. I was, you know,

sometimes when it comes to reality TV shows, you're like, all right, who's here for the right reasons. Like, who's, you know. But I was really surprised and elated by the enthusiasm of the collective group

and it really seemed like a bunch of people very frustrated with how dating is out there. Yeah. And the inability to, like just make connections. And we provided that and just like allowed people to just again, like the show is about making connections with people that you're compatible with, that you feel something for eliminating outside voices, whether it's about age, family, certainly like all the

things that might play a role. Then you guys will work through that. But like I think nowadays, I'm curious what you think prior to going in the show, do you feel like dating has become that where we go into a date with all these filters already, like, in our mind. All the reasons why red flag this, red flag that. I can't date you for this. I can't date you for that. And we're just like, why are we even here on a date? It's true.

I think, I mean, for me in particular, because I've gone through life in the way that I have with relationships and things like that, like I immediately start with a wall up because it's a protective thing that, you know, you, like someone has to prove themselves to me. And when you're dealing with these dating apps, there's really not a lot of vetting that needs, that has gone on, that needs to go on. And so you're sitting across someone who you really have no idea what this person is about. And they could be, you know, really dangerous, actually. And like, that has happened to me before where I've been on a certain dating app and, you know, I connected with a bunch of people or whatever. And maybe I did or didn't go out with them.

But then I'll get a notice, like a week later saying, you know, this person. person violated some sort of code. And I'm like, oh my gosh, like, I could have gone on a date with that person. Yeah. I mean, it's just crazy. So the reason why these shows are becoming so popular is because people want to see connection. They want to see that genuine desire to be with someone and to show up in a way that that's what both people are there for. They both want to find a connection. Whereas, like, these dating apps or whatever, you just don't know. This person could be like, want to. Nina just hook up with you or wanting to hurt you in some way. And so I don't know.

I just, I felt safe doing the show. And I was like, gosh, maybe this is like the new way to like date. You know, like maybe this is like going to become a thing. Like for everybody to be like, I got to find a show to get on or to find my partner. I don't know. We watch these reality TV shows and a lot of it has to do with them casting people early in adult life. And I think a lot of people like to have fun with the lack of careers that some people show up on reality TV with. But I'm curious, like tell us a little bit about yourself.

You, again, have a not only as a mom, but as a working professional, a pretty fascinating past. Yeah. I've a very vast sort of career, very many facets to it. But I would say sort of my main career has always been in fashion. And I started in New York at Calvin Klein. and then worked my way back to Chicago after I had my kids, took a little time off to, you know, raise them. And then I went back into the industry as a freelancer. And so now I do, I'm a fashion editor for one of the largest publishers in Chicagoland.

And I also do like, I have my agency work and stuff like that. So I also do modeling. I also do a little acting. And I'm a yoga instructor on top of it all. So God knows where I find the time, but I do it. She said she needs a man to keep up with that. Yeah. She's doing the whole schedule.

Sierra, you are going to love this. Who did you work with at Calvin Klein back in New York? Oh, yeah. I was there when Carolyn Vassette was there. Yes. The early 90s. Did you know her well? I thought it.

I knew like, I didn't know her well. We weren't like friends. Friends. She was on a different floor than I. She was in women's. I was in men's collection. I did work. worked like right next to John Varvados, who everybody knows. But you know, back then, it's like,

you didn't know who these people were or what they were going to become. I mean, God knows I never thought I'd be sitting on this couch. Yeah. So like, it's crazy to look back and, you know, seeing Love Story brought back all these nostalgia for me and. Oh, the fashion was so good. Yeah. What are you, what are your thoughts on everyone kind of like recreating Carolyn Beset's fashion and kind of. I mean, she's class, you know, she was a classic. It's just like, you know, Jackie Kennedy or like any of the big sort of iconic fashion, you know, stars. They set the stage for sort of like a classic look. And so I don't think it's a bad thing for people to be out there, you know, trying to recreate it and look that way because it's a beautiful look.

I wonder if it will maybe start the decrease of fast fashion with everyone trying to just have a white tea and blue jeans. No, for sure. Please. Yeah, it's that like capsule wardrobe. And, you know, it's more quality than it is about quantity. And that's actually how I was raised. My mom raised me in the way that, like, she would buy me not a lot of clothes, but everything I had was really good. And I just had to learn how to like mix and match it, maybe add a couple buttons here.

or whatever, you know, talking late 80s. Weird. But yeah, I mean, that kind of helped me develop my own sense of style. And, you know, I felt fit right into Calvin Klein. I mean, I was very like no makeup, natural. Even your outfit today. Sunning. Yeah.

You did a great job. Yeah. It was always fun to see what Teresa would wear on set. Yeah. Oh, I can't wait. Now knowing this, I have something else to watch for. Yeah. Watch a lot.

Did you have fun, like, planning your outfits for the show? I did, yeah. I mean, it was funny because, you know, I'm a stylist. So I'm used to styling everybody else. So when we had our stylist come in and they were like, we actually want you to wear that. I was like, mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm like, sure I'll wear that tomorrow.

And then I show up in something different. And they're like, okay, fine. Like, after a while, they just gave up on me. They're like, she's good. She knows what she's doing. I've always enjoyed fashion. I like it. I've always had an interest in it.

But then I met my wife and she was like, I had a couple notes for you. Yeah. Skinny jeans by that. No, it's really helped me out. Like these little Chelsea boots. They ran out.

Yeah. Skinny jeans. Well, I mean, guys tend to lock in to whatever fashion was in vogue when they were like the most single and social. No, for sure. And they're like late in early 20s. And when they were out and about and when they thought, when they cared a little bit. And then they just stop a ball.

And they got positive reinforcement. So they're like, I'm sticking with this. You know? And then they like settle down or don't go out anymore. And then, you know, when the world's moved on and they're still in like boot cut jeans from like, you know. And then they come back around. And they're like, well, they're back in fashion. No.

But my wife allowed me. I have more with women than it does with Matt. Yeah. Do you have a lot of iconic pieces? I actually still have. three pieces that were from when I worked there. Oh my gosh. Your daughter hasn't stolen them yet?

She has one thing. Yes. And I'm like, she's here in L.A., so I'm like, I'd have to get that back from you. Did her also bring that sweater that you're in that collection. Before we let you go, Trisa, you are someone who is potentially dated younger men on the show. And for the ladies who might watch this show, who are out there dating. themselves if they have had the opportunity to consider maybe an age difference or date a younger man. But whether it's judgment from themselves or hearing outside voices, can you give us a top five reasons to date a younger guy?

Okay. Vitality. Her. Ding. Yeah. I mean, they have to be, you know, I mean, you're going to come across. a guy that's better looking, no doubt, the younger they are. Interests. I mean, life moves so fast. There's so many, like, new, fun, exciting things

going on. And when you're older, you're just kind of like, you know, you can miss that boat. New dog, new tricks. Exactly. So, like, I, you know, I think that's a fun thing to enjoy. And their friends could be really fun, too. I don't know. Like, great music. Social life. Just, yeah, social life. Get out your comfort zone a little bit. Exactly. Challenge you a little. You only go to so many dinner parties. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Sometimes you want to go to a baseball. It keeps you young. Like I think I gravitate towards that also probably for a couple of reasons. One, because I have kids that are like a little older. I was a young mom. And secondly, because of the industry that I'm in, you know,

working with models and, you know, you're on set listening to all this like, great. music and it's just it just becomes your norm and then you're going out after shoots and like you're with you know it's just that's the vibe of my career so it just makes sense that I gravitate towards that with dating as well do you miss New York the New York vibe god yeah yeah I'm like a fish out of water in Chicago I mean Chicago's great in the summer I mean now that your kids are grown would you is there a world in which you'd move back to New York no question yeah I would move to New York I'd moved to L.A. I've moved to Paris or London. So

I'm open to it all. Yeah. Or I'd have like a house in each place. That's what I'm talking about. You're fascinating. You're my favorite. I relate. You can't visit me. Only would come to you in Milan

in Paris. Yeah. Do you guys have any questions with Trisa? All I have to say is I want to be you. Me too. Oh my gosh. Same here. We need a New York trip. So you can just be like, okay, this is the capsule pieces of an albital? Yeah. No, I mean, I'm actually thinking, because I've been to Paris, like, God, I don't know,

more than 50 times of doing, like, shopping trips with people because I have been there so many times. I know the places to go. I keep up with, like, the newest, latest and greatest. What are your thoughts in the new Chanel collection that is, like, taken over? Oh, it's insane. Matthew, what? I, he's amazing. And, yeah, I love, I just love the layering that they,

did and like, you know, the femininity that's always Chanel, but it's even more so with this collection. I was pitching me last night in bed. She's like, you know, I am going to be birthing two babies so I feel like maybe either two push presents or

one epic. Really big one. Yeah. And one maybe I can give you advice. I can help you with that if you need. Well, I've been hearing that it's like the year of saving. Yeah, that's what he's telling me, but he did get me pregnant with twins. I do feel like that is a like him problem.

Giant contradiction. Yeah. It's a year of saving. You got to pay for it. Yeah. So it's actually the year of double. We need two of everything. And triple because I want River to also match.

There you. It's like you will work harder. Yeah. If we spend more money. You got this, babe. You got this. I'm all about that. I'm just trying to motivate you.

Yes. That's all I'm doing. Oh my gosh. I can't wait to see your babies. I know. I wish River was. here. I know. You've got to see her again. She's so excited. She's like, it's so cute. She's just turned two.

Yeah. So I do honestly feel like she's grasping more than I would have thought she would have. Like she sees my belly. And she's like, one, two babies. Like two babies and mom's belly. Does she talk like that? Is that she. I don't really know where it came from. But yeah, she got it at some little less. That's amazing. Or she looks at the ultrasounds and she like knows that those are the babies. And she, it's interesting. When we were watching Age of Attraction. She's like, Mama-Dada show. Yeah. Oh, you guys love that.

And it's so, like, we won't even be on screen and she'll be like, Mama-Dada show. And it's like, like, the coloring? Like, how do you know? What is it? How do you know it's us? She's like, I recognize Whistler. Of course. I was there, by the way.

Been there. Live there for a few weeks. It's like it's weird. I don't see my name on the credits. Oh, my God. Oh, Shreisa. We're very excited to see people watch your. journey on age of attraction unfold and we are grateful that you were very much a part of this cast and

really you know again just really excited for people to watch the show watch you see how um this experience goes for you because again i i'm just really excited about how lovers represented on this show in such a fascinating way and i think there's a lot of interesting dialogue and conversations with a lot of interesting people and i'm excited for people to watch so thank you for being a part of it absolutely yeah i'm super excited for everyone to see all of the things. And who knows, maybe we'll have, depending on how things go. Yeah. We'll have a catch up with you and kind of a where are you now.

Okay. In the future. Let's see. Potentially, maybe. Teresa, good luck. Thank you. Thanks for having me, guys. We're good to see you too.

I'll see you in Paris. Yes. My girl. That was fun. That was really fun. Well, you guys, what do you guys think of Teresa? What do you think? I'm in love with her.

I'm in love with her. Yeah. There's no other like takeaway from that. She's just fascinating, beautiful woman that I'm like, I'm so excited to see her journey. She is who I want to be in the future. Like whenever I meet a very powerful, successful, beautiful women, I'm like, that's, that's who I want to be. Beautiful, smart, elegant, funny, charming. She's got Riz. Relatable.

Relatable. Yeah. And I know we don't know her age yet. We obviously will be revealed when you get to watch. I'll date her too. No, but I was going to say, but like... She's into younger. Talking about representation, you know, we have had the golden bachelor.

Trees is not there yet. No. But I only point that out because we love Joan, Joan, our first and only golden bachelorette. But because of, you know, the way with the Bachelor franchise is, they have their playbook. It's really just like sad story, you know, but we're really going to get to know these cast members. Get to know Tresa, you know. Again, real conversations, talking about their dating life. potentially their sex life, things like that,

the insecurities and fears that all people out there dating face. You know, people have been divorced twice, separated, who have kids, don't have kids, people dating with kids. And so very excited for you guys, I'll see it. So we're one for one. One for one, yeah. Yeah, we are.

I wasn't worried about the women, though. No. No, never. I've never been, like, worried. We will also have two more contestants from Age of Attraction on Thirteen. Thursday's episode, as well as another very fascinating person that I'm sure many of you will at least be interested in hearing what they have to say. Outside of age of attraction, that's on Thursday.

I don't want to give too much away. What else is going on in the reality TV pop culture world? I mean, before we get to reality TV, did you see Timothy Shalameh dogging on the opera and ballet? Mr. Timmy Tim, Tim, LaGuardia High graduate himself? And I love this man down, but like, why would you say that? I'm pretty positive son of a ballerina. Yeah. He's the son of a ballerina?

Yeah. Oh my God. For the people who obviously are big into the arts and ballets, coming from, that was, he wasn't, he was like, the thing no one cares about. Literally. I mean, he was, he was dogging on it. I don't think he was being fully serious, but I think the tone of. I think he seriously thinks no one cares about it.

Yes, he does seriously think that. I don't think he was trying to be, like, derogatory to the arts, but. Because he also followed it up with, well, I just lost 14 cents in viewership. But also Doja Cat, she also clapped back being like, as someone who's big and love you, but like the ballet is big, the opera is big. You go to these performances and you go to the arts and there's not a single open seat. These are sold out and those tickets for those seats are like not cheap. So it's like it's not a matter of like nobody cares, nobody wants to go. It's a matter of like you're not going.

I know nothing about the Oscar process. and the campaign. But I do know that it is a campaign. Terrible time. Right? I feel like the people who are going to be voting for Timmy. No respect for the classic arts.

Okay. No respect for your Oscar nom. May or may not, but probably are on boards of said. Opera's and ballets. Also, what I'm remembering what Doja said to you.

Congratulations. Michael B. Jordan for winning. Best actor. Best actor. Okay. Senners. Sinners does deserve it. Anyway.

My thing with this whole, this whole Timmy thing is just like, I believe truly that high and low art exist in the same space and art of equal value. Get it, girl. And that's what I live my entire life based off. I think reality TV is just as important as the opera. And so in that case, it's like, Timmy. It's just the more him saying, no one cares about it. It's like people do. I was gifted tickets to the opera at 11 years old.

Did I enjoy it? No. Did I go? Your sister went to Baller's ballet school. Ballet is so back, is it not? Like, Skim's just at a ballet ad. People are dressing like ballerina. As ballet slips her back. Like, I'm like, I don't, it was just a mark that just didn't. Oh my God. There's a ballet. There's a ballet coach that's viral on the internet because his classes are so hard. But it's like he's not, like, toxic in the way that, like, old ballerina coaches were. But it's like, he makes these jokes and he gets down on the ground and, like, looks at their feet. I could watch their videos all day. I was like, I would take a class just to know what this felt like. I would like to hear Club Salome defend this statement he made.

Timothy brought the presentation. Yeah, I wonder if she'll join the chat. Miss Club. Well, Miss Club, she's, listen, I follow her on Twitter. Has she said anything? Let's see if she said anything about this specific thing. I know the community was getting very tough. I still have to see Marty Supreme.

So maybe I might eat my words after seeing that. Have you seen it, Mayor? I've not seen Marty Supreme yet. My friends have been really trying to get me to watch it. I have not had the time. He had me, call me by her name. I was like, that's the skinny boy representation that I knew. on TV. She has not, she has not, um, she's not defended her boy. She's not defending her boy yet. But she has

like, like, low key been teasing the waters of maybe starting a Connor story fan account as well. So she might be busy. Sorry. Miss Club. Shalameh. Forgive, forgive my ignorance. He did rivalry. He did rivalry. Yes. Um, anyway, sorry. But we love you, Miss Club. I do remember when the marketing of Marty Supreme was happening, it was very much. He was like, yeah, let's go. Let's fucking do this. Like, to be the best. Like, whatever Marty Supreme was. Maybe this is just him extending that character into the Oscar campaign of being kind of stupid. To Mary's point of the campaigns,

there was one campaign that he did for Marty Supreme where someone was bogeing and he just goes, received. Received. So I think like he's not really trying to be negative when it comes to the offer of ballet. I think he just said something that was silly that he knew he was going to get clown for. I mean, he followed it up with,

I'm going to lose whatever he said, 14 cents. A viewership. So it's like he definitely knew saying that would piss people. How do you say it? Yeah, I agree. Sometimes you just say shit, and then people are like, that's wrong.

And then you're like, yeah, you're right. You know what pisses me off? People making rumors about Amanda Batula making out with West. No, Wilson. Literally. Like, it's just like, let's talk more about that. I was to say, speaking of, like, things that are not real. I think, uh, headlines of Amanda and West dating together.

The whole weekend. I feel like this is an entire cast hard at work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Say more.

Well, I just, I don't think these rumors just come. from anywhere, right? And the people putting out these rumors, you know, certainly get things wrong, but, you know, it's not based off of nothing. And it wouldn't shock me if people on this cast are well connected and know people in the space of putting out these kind of blind items.

You know, we've, like, I don't know what was going on with Amanda and Kyle back when Jesse was like, hey, nice cans. But clearly everyone was kind of in on it. Right. Because like that was a comment you just don't make to your friend's wife. Sure. And they all kind of didn't act like, let's say like a, I guess it's like a normal person would.

So I don't know. It just feels like they're stirring. They got a new show coming out, their spin-off show. The city. I feel like this is kind of par for the course where they're putting out things that aren't true that gets people talking that are very easily, you know, disqualified, but here we are. Or this is a very handsy cast, you know,

which we know that about West. It's the summer. They're in the same house. Nope. West posted. It's the summer. On Saturday. With Lindsay Sierra,

hanging out with Lindsay's baby. There are several other people there, though. It's not just two of them. And Mia. It's a group hangout. But I'm just what I'm saying. It's a group of people. but I'm still saying that I'm like, I think if Sierra and Amanda were hooking up,

I don't think that Sierra and Amanda were hooking up. Or if Sierra and Amanda and West are hooking up, I don't think Sierra and West are going to be at Lindsay's hanging out with the baby. That's what I'm saying. I think this is a very handsy cast. I think they're all really close. They're very touchy-feely. And I think they're out in public and they're at a bar.

And you got West leaning over holding hands with Amanda or touching on Sierra. And someone's taking a picture. Someone's writing to the blinds being like, oh my God, They're all over each other. And it's like they're just friends who are a little drunk. And you know somebody who doesn't watch the show either. It's like somebody's friend that's like, oh my God, do you know who that is? Oh my God, that's so crazy.

And they're like, oh, why are they all over each other? By the way, I saw all the videos of them hanging out Amanda and West. And I was just like, oh, they're hanging out. And then all of a sudden it was like they're dating. And I was like, oh, I'm on a different page. Yeah. Well, she did just say she would never date anyone in her cast. Yeah.

So it's like, this is all disproven by the end of the weekend. But for fun. Let's say there was truth. But we know there's not. But in a world of like scandal, I mean, this would be a bit of a scandal, wouldn't you think? Weston Amanda? Yeah. It's not the same as Scandible, but I'm entertaining the...

We're going to crack ship territory. Of course not. I would argue that I feel like I think people would embrace it in a way that people wouldn't expect. I don't feel like they would catch as much heat as you would think. West and Amanda. You think so? Yeah, because I think Amanda, Sierra, Paige, the whole... whole of it, like, very much pride of themselves, like, on, like, the loyalty and friendship.

It definitely would be weird, yeah, with Sierra and West's relationship. Okay. Well, I guess I wasn't considering that. Yeah, that is more talking about the Kyle and Amanda. I think the flip of what you're saying is that if Kyle did something, then it would be similar to Scandible. Let's assume Sierra is in love with someone else and she is just completely over the west of it all. What if it was just a... No. No. No. I don't think so. I know. I see what I do see what Nick saying that if Kyle did something, not. Amanda. He's talking about Amanda. I know, but what I'm saying, but I think it's the other way around, not Amanda. Kyle also has... I think they would rally around Amanda and well. Okay, but if something

happened now, it's like they're separated. I do think people won Amanda to go out there and like date people. I for sure do. I want to see, I want to see single era Amanda Batula. In this way we're singing single era Bronwyn, I want to see single era Amanda Batula. And Nick, what was your prediction? I'm not giving any truth to this rumor that's circulating, but like, what was your prediction of who Kyle would date after Amanda. You know, someone who, like, loves DJs. He goes out, yeah. He's being speculated to be rumored or seen out with Ava Dash from next-gen,

NYC. Someone who loves D-Js. She's a model. Someone like that. Young, energy. And we love Ava Dash. We do. Ava Dash, who's her dad?

Damon Dash. Damon Dash. Mother Rachel Roy. Alea. Yeah, yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep. I mean, at the end of day, Kyle. Kyle's going to date someone who's at a stage of life who isn't going to have a ton of expectations from him.

And then the second that she is like, hey, do you want to like stay in and like order in and watch a movie? And he's going to be like, oh my God. Stop it. Could you imagine? He gets with like a 22, 23 year old. And then they're like, okay, so you ready to have a baby next year? Like, when are you getting married? He's like, I thought I was getting away from this.

Did you guys see that Kyle was promoting his THC line of drinks this weekend? He was like, it comes to my attention that I need to remind people we have this line of product. And then all the comments are like, so you clowned Amanda about smoking weed, but you're promoting your drink. No, that's crazy. And I didn't think about that until I read it and I was like, wait, yeah, this actually is. That was a bad timing. Stoners unite for good of clowning Kyle Cook. It was already a weird thing.

The smoking weed? Yeah. That's what you're coming for her for it? Yeah, it just was a little weird. It shows, it shows Amanda's never done anything. wrong. Yeah. Literally.

Literally. Just like the really, the always junk person versus the always high person. But even think of like the collabs and whatnot that lover boy has done that it's very directed like to females and it's because of Amanda. Like I'm like even they just did a collaboration with boys lie. It's like that's not. I remember this is what I, my whole like initial argument about Kyle Cook was years ago when he was like complaining about his business failing.

And I'm like, it's because you go on a national. show and you treat your wife like shit. No one wants to buy your product. Yeah. Like no one is like, oh, this looks like a good man to support and a good business to support. Like, sure, let me spend my hard earned money to like support this man who's like calling his wife a bitch and throwing drinks and being a crybaby. Like, no, you're so right. But it's also like, I just saw like an ad for twisted tea, which I think is where the original concept of lover boy came from because that's what they were drinking season one. Oh, really? Uh-huh. And I'm just like, it's one of those things too where it's like, okay, yeah, work on your business then. But like, how come I've never seen any form of marketing outside of social media? Like, I've never once seen like a commercial being like, oh, maybe I should try a lover boy or like get it into a different show. And like, I feel like you. That's what I'm saying. Like there's no like real marketing behind it because it's like a business that he thinks stands on its own. But it's like the collabs that do well. It's based off of Amanda. And it's like, we see the vision. And we're like, all right, I guess we'll try like a dirty Shirley from lover boy. But like, I don't see Kyle pushing that.

It's seen it when watching Snowor House. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like you think that you would see an ad. Even Casamigos had an ad and it's George Freakin' George Clooney. Like, you know what I mean? Like when it first came out that it was just like, oh, these group of guys. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of things that could be doing.

100%. I'll give him credit, though. I've seen it in the wild. I think the branding is really cute. Amanda did that. Do you know what else is really cute? Alex from Love is Blind, getting caught using his burner account to defend himself. Classic.

Classic. Classic. Classic. man. It's also, it's the names too. What was, um, what was Jax's? Frank Draymond or something? This one's like Chad Bolden. Like, where do they come up with the names? Where's the info? What is the, is it like a name you always wanted to be called yourself? Well, Frank's like, fuck, I'm an Alex, but I really act like a Chad. Is it? Frank Draymond is from like something that Jack's pulled out. Yeah, it was like a, I think

it's the name of the main character. The naked gun. Okay. It's something from the naked gun, I believe. Also, this is what happens when a boomer And I'm not saying they're boomers, but they're closer to Spircially boomers When they use a finston, don't know to use the finsta? Yeah. Like, why are you using your finston saying She was using me?

It also should. When it's like, you could have just said she was using him. Third person. But like, when you hit send on that comment, it shows you when the comments posted, you didn't think, hmm, not the right account. Yeah. I said I.

He's clearly, you know, just going back and forward these slasas. He can keep up. He's like, no, he's the greatest guy. ever. I am the greatest guy ever. See, this is why I remember all those posters they had an elementary school about like past tense, present tense, future tense

and how it could save lives. This is one of those moments. Sorry, buddy. Has love is blind stopped being a influencing show? For sure. You know what? I thought that. Then I saw Jess's account and like she's popping.

Well, Jess's, yeah. But Jess could have made it name. Not Jess Vestal, just from the season. And like I was just curious. was looking at them and she posted her like hot bikini photo and I was just like I think she has the most of course when there's the big storylines when everyone feels like oh we need to support this person let's rally around them definitely I think they get a pop I don't think we'll see just quitting being a doctor no no no you know like I don't think it's as lucrative as it was who do we feel it was the last person I mean I did like a jump into it like um Chelsea

from that season, which was also just Fesda. A lot of AD was also one that popped. Then we have Chinese Disco Baby, she popped. We still have people every season. Yeah, it's not to say also... It's no Love Island though. It's not like Love Island where all the finalists are like, okay.

The show doesn't... Never were doing them. Well, I don't all these people you just mentioned. I don't remember like studying their pages or following that closely off the show, but from what I remember, I felt like they organically got these followings and whether, I don't know what their intentions were going into these shows,

but it seemed like they responded to the following they were giving them. Like back in the day when people go on the bachelor and it's like, oh my God, I have all these followers. And now you're, and I think you're seeing a lot of love as blind people. Yes, yeah. Not be really, like 40,000 followers, 18,000 followers, like, you know, relative to like some of the massive followings that previous people before,

than they've gotten. And the pages becomes like they're influencers now. They're, you know, it's like, they're leaning in, they're doing skits, they're doing all these things. And it's just like, the show hasn't even ended.

You know, like it's... I think the show to some, like, to what everybody's saying, I think the show determine, you said determine if you were an influencer. Like Love Island gives you the influencing platform. I was going to say, I think a lot of people used to go on these shows

and like not expected. Like Love Island, UK, obviously it would be like, blow up to two million, like, right before you get out, out the villa. USA, especially season six is very much the same formula. But I'm like, I don't know, these shows, yeah, they don't, they, I think now it's like personality storyline based. It's like people are going around Jess and going around Ashley because they're like, that's the person I want to support. It's reactive. Yeah, it's like, because that's what you said, I feel like you really have to earn a follow from people nowadays.

And it's like you're reacting to what they went through, how they handle themselves. And then, like, you see what they're already posting. So I'm like, and I think a lot of these people obviously go on for an opportunities. So they already are, like, their pages are already set up in a way that it's like, oh, I'm coming on here and I have somebody posting for me while I'm on this show or whatever. It's also we're, it's not the age of followers anymore. It's the age of likes. Engagement. We're not like, for you pages. We're just like, I like this. I like, you're not thinking of following people. You know, like you're not, you're not going on your people I follow. You don't see anybody stuff you follow anyways. By the way, if you follow the person on TikTok,

don't they disappear off your for you page? A lot of the times, like, that's what happens to me. Or they're on your friends thing. But like, no, I feel like on Instagram, I follow so many people. And now I have to, like, delete people in hopes to see other people. But we'll always be fascinated with the couples and will want to follow their journeys and things like that. Speaking of the couples, we have Vic and Christine. It's all that come in from a mile away. Yeah.

The healthiest relationship, I think I've seen on reality television in a minute. Beautiful. We're talking love is blind finale. Uh-huh. We're just talking about we've been talking about. The whole season in general, but I'm just like, it's, again, it's interesting how these shows will, like, end up platforming people. like Alex and Chris, but then it's like you have a healthy relationship between Vic and Christine and we're like, we don't need you in Mexico. We don't need to see your actual story. There's a lot of

speculation around like why and obviously none of this is confirmed, but like people were speculating maybe one of them didn't have a passport to travel outside of the country or this, this and that. I think they just realized like, listen, we were each other's only person. You know, like they go what makes the like honeymoon so entertaining is because like, oh, pre-dated Connor and Chris. Like is she going to see Chris and be like, oh shit, he's kind of like cuter than I thought. Like, oh, should I try to talk? That's what makes that part so entertaining. Christine and Dick were like

genuine. Christine and Dick were like, we didn't really date anyone else. It was just us. I wonder if producers also were like, we need to protect the people we think will actually get married. Yeah. And not have them be brought in. I mean, I don't know why it happened, but why do people care something? Malibu, really nice

place. Malibu. Lovely. Honestly, if someone was like, yeah, here's this person you're falling in love with. Go to Malibu with them, I would be like, yeah. To answer your question, why do people care about Vic and Christine? Did you see the... Not why do they care about them? I know.

Why? Do we hear they weren't there? No, why do we care that they went to their own romantic getaway versus... Oh, I think it's more just we haven't seen them really throughout the season is what it is. Well, you know what I enjoyed about that is that it did kind of feel like reality, right? Which is what the basis of this is. It's reality TV. But they are doing their own thing, right?

They're falling in love. they don't really need the orchestrated drama that's being created throughout with these other people to distract them from that in their journey. So it's like have them go off on their own. We did still see them. Like we saw her pick her wedding dress. We saw like she was at the Bachelorette. We got the important moments. And making great reality TV is all about tension and release.

Tension and release. Yeah. There was no. Listen, the only I, if I found out that Vic and. If Vic and Christine had a couple moments of rough patches and some really interesting. discussions slash fights that they didn't show us that they worked through and came out on top, that would be annoying. Yeah.

That would really frustrate with me. If all they did was just like continue on the same path and we're pretty like calm, normal and just like ended up getting married, I saw what I needed to see. And now we will. And for the people who are interested in continuing to follow them, you can do that. I'm going to. I love when Love is Blind does the thing of like You'll have someone like an Alex saying

The Most Insane Thing in the World And then the music's like Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun and then it cuts to Vic and Christine Just like hanging out in Malibu And then I'm like this is beautiful Let's just say love is blind We didn't see the actual love behind The season

The True Love was blind Alex is buried at the finale All the looks at the finale Guys Alex I just I don't even I don't even wonder what that man. But you put on a tuxedo, you look in the mirror, and you don't. He says those things and doesn't think anything about.

Was Alex wearing a tuxedo? Wasn't he the one that was dressed like in khakis in a... No, he had a tug. No, that was his reunion luck. That's not. Okay, that's what I'm saying. His reunion love was like a khakis and like no and just like a pillow or a little shirt. It was just like we couldn't even get like five minutes on camera without everything being a soccer innuendo. Literally. It's like, bro. It's like, you know, there's There's got to be more to you, man. I get that you were on a club team, and I know that that was important.

He just does feel like, just let it go. And I do mean this from the kindest place in my heart. He feels exhausting. Yes. To not only date, but just to be friends with. Natalie, after that finale wedding, where like Ashley said what she had to say, and then he walked away and him and his friends were just like, how dare she pull up, like, what was the word, integrity or like, they're like, well, it was on her.

Sir, you have been shady for the last six weeks. Yeah, but I don't think he sees it. No. No. One million percent does not. That's why I feel like he's so exhausting because you're just the whole time you're like, am I crazy? Like the whole, every conversation you have with them, you're like, is this normal? Are you punking me?

Are you okay? Ashley said something like that too and she was like saying no to you as a win, but then she also said something about like, I can't be around you because I know being around you means I wouldn't have. support or something like it'd be constant that do you think it's because he does have this very untraditional lifestyle this kind of nomad lifestyle hold on time me out to my momad lifestyle he kind of does have a nomad lifestyle continue sorry he's got this mom who loves him who's like he can do no wrong and in and then Alex's brain he's just decided that's his reasoning for everything you know where it's just like he doesn't quite get his story straight you know you know He's kind of making, you know, and instead of being like, you know what, I need to, you know, right?

I need to be more direct and more up front. He's just like, you just don't get me. Do you know. Why is he on our screens? The man has zero stability. Zero. And that is like what this show is about. It's why they cast.

To get married. And certain places. Like he lied in his interview. Like there's no way that they would have cast this man being like, oh, you have no home. You don't even want to stay in Ohio. So you're allergic to Ohio. Is that what I'm getting? So you're going to come on our show and represent Ohio.

Okay. But say you'd rather live anywhere else and don't you dare trap me here. He said O-H-I. No. There's a video circulating of him describing his work. Oh, it did kind of make sense, actually. I don't know. All I saw was like one of the comments that I liked was like, the amount of time it took

for him to come up with this response, he could have just got a job. He literally... It's so... It's so Jackson. It's so Jacks Taylor. I don't like him, but it did kind of make sense. It's so Jacks Taylor going to Florida. The amount of jobs he's had supposedly three years in two different continents.

I'm like, so you worked everywhere for a month. Can I be Alex and try to call back what Alex did for his jobs after watching the clip? Because I do think it kind of made sense. I have it right here. But tell me if I'm wrong. Because I kind of followed his word solid. So basically, he was working in finance, got laid out during COVID. He worked at a bank.

At a bank in Chicago? Might have made up that day. Anyways, he's working in finance. It was a big company. neat. The state of Chicago. Like, he's already inflating it. No, you're fine.

He worked in finance. I know he was a banker. See, he worked in a... Finance, big company. Finance or he was a banker at BMO. He said for multiple years, got laid off during COVID, which we know that was a real thing

a lot of people experience. Then he found himself in Australia. And he was like, what should I do while now? He woke up there? He was like, let me just go somewhere else. So he went to Australia, became a fisherman,

did what's the other odd job he did. He said COVID-unded my career, gave me a severance package, which led me to traveling the world. Yes, key part. When travel was difficult. So, yes, I went to Australia.

I took the severance package and then I got jobs, plural, out there. So the one time in the history of the world where everyone's like, you can't, don't fly. You can't travel. He's like, everyone's getting laid off. I'm going to travel and I'm going to work. Well, flights were definitely cheaper back then. They were? Yeah. Well, and then his friends having a wedding that he was supposed to be part of, he comes

back for the wedding and he's like, oh, might as well just stay here. So now he's figuring it out. But wasn't Australia one of the countries that was like super strict on who came in and out? Yes. Yes. But apparently, I think, I guess, I guess he said, because people are also like, how did he work in Australia? But I guess he said that he has, that his dad was a Kiwi, but.

Well, that's New Zealand. That's what I'm saying. So I'm like, I don't think it's the same thing. But people were like, oh, he has a passport so I guess he can work in Australia. You do need, you need a visa to visit Australia. You don't need one. I don't believe. To be a fisherman, do you need a work visa?

Or are you just, like, jump under the table. Oh, boat and joining. I feel like. Definitely for a casino dealer. He also could just be, and hear me out, a liar. He might be lying. He just, maybe, like, has a weird relationship with the truth. Maybe he's figuring out himself.

He just forgets. Maybe he's just an artist with the way he speaks. He's detail blind. Right, because he's traveling so much. It's so hard to, like, keep a timeline. Because, like, I could tell you everywhere I worked in the last five years. It's detailed blindness. It's also, like, how is he?

getting all these jobs with this resume aren't bosses like I don't know dude you don't seem very reliable he doesn't seem like a highly motivated self-starter he can talk himself into anything I want to see this man's W-2s I guess literally I need receipts prove

he has detail blindness you call lying he's just like I forget about the details thank God him and Ashley are not married she ate down with that she read him to fill on that Amber and Jordan are Are they?

Are they? You don't feel like they are? I don't know. Sorry, there's just something about the whole... The streets are saying they may not still be together. Okay, there is something that, like, the way that that whole wedding went down, the conversation with the brother, even like him, like, literally looking like he was going to throw up, pass out. And I know that that's part of, like, getting married, like, nerves.

But I was just like, this man isn't giving, like, oh, my God, I'm so nervous. I'm about to marry the love of my life. Like, am I making the biggest mistake of my life? That's kind of the vibe I got. So let's chug a beer. But he said yes. But could he say no? Like, were you nervous before a wedding?

You can always say no. I feel like if you, I mean, if you made the decision to say yes and get married, like, I guess like nerves of just like day of nerves, like, is everything going to go right? But like, I feel like these people, and I guess it's because they've only known each other for. Yeah. I mean, like their situation, our situation is very different. And I was also going to say, I feel like he was kind of set up to fail in the sense of like which way he was going to go because I'm like normally like you're not getting married in front of someone's daughter. That's like a child. Do you know what I mean?

I feel like that would be like a really like weird place to be like, no, I'm not going to marry you, but we just had your daughter dress up in a flower girl. You would be creating trauma for a child. Listen, I do think there's a lot of people who get married who on the day of the wedding are very nervous. And I think there's a lot of engagements and wedding planning that are very stressful that bring out the worst in people. And I think there's a lot of people who get married when they go into their marriage are doing more fighting than getting along. And so I think, yeah, I think that happens all the time. Yeah. Thankfully, we didn't experience that.

I just want the best for both of them. Do we think Brittany and Devante are actually going to continue? Because that conversation, she seemed so optimistic and it made me full back because I'm like, I don't think he had some not nice things to say about her behind her back. Yeah. Also, it's just like him, his whole bullshit thing of like, I just don't know if I can figure out how to love her. And it's like, you're not trying. You're literally not doing anything. But also, if you used to figure out how to love your partner.

Yeah, it's pretty easy to love someone and treat them well. I think he's full of shit and here's what I want to tell you what. I am empathetic to the low energy introverted men that we see on TV or just people. And as someone who knows what it's like that like, you know, the screen loves the charming people who speak in platitudes, you know, like the edit loves those people. So I'm a little defensive of those people. And Devante came across like that at first. But those people warm up eventually. And it's one thing for Devante to be like,

you know, I'm just like a slow burn. And maybe like I'm just not as expressive. But there's one thing to not be expressive at first and like literally refusing to like validate her in a way that she makes very clear that she needs validation. And he just like he never. got there. And to me, he comes across as he was selling, I'm just more introverted, I'm quiet to, I don't want to, I don't want to look bad. Yeah. Yes. And I'm going to see this through

because like the guys who, you know, the Chris's don't look good. So I'm going to see this through and I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to agree to date her. And so that people will be okay with that. And I think he just thought, I think he, I think he, I think he edited himself. Yep. And I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I wouldn't surprise me at the reunion if we, we find out that, um, Devante didn't live up to his end of the bargain. Agreed. Do you guys remember Casey and Patrick from last season? Yes.

Different context. But like, like, when their last scene reminded me of that last scene where, like, he was, where Patrick was like, we're going to continue. I'm so excited. I love her. And then she was on her side being like, I just don't like him. That's what just like, I wish people would just be honest. And I'm like, I wonder why, like, it's like, you have no idea what you look like throughout the. entire process, fine. But I'm like to sit here and be like, to be able to tell the cameras in interviews, I'm not interested or like I'm just not feeling I haven't gotten there. I don't have that spark, whatever it is. Like, why can't you just communicate that to her? Say it to their face. The one who has the wedding dress. He's like, oh, buying the wedding dress early gives me weird vibes. Like, first of all, you knew that, sir. She told you in the pod. Literally. And now it's weird.

Exactly. And that's what I'm saying. I'm like, you look so much worse trying to self-edit yourself to like protect your image as if you're some genuine person. while breaking up with someone. Well, if you're going to be completely honest with the interviews in the process, the contrast, jarring. Jarring. And then it's just like, you're just like a fake-ass person. Like, I'm like, I can't root for you, bro.

Because Bernie was so optimistic. I mean, like, I totally get it. Like, we're going to work through this. I'm so excited to keep, like, dating. And then it was just like, we kind of already know as an audience. Like, everyone who gets engaged on that show agrees to basically a trial marriage. You're living with someone. Getting literally married.

Yes. But Britney's weirdo because she came. prepared. Like, literally. She read the book, she has her note, she's ready for the test and he's like, wait what? I'm so tired. How many seasons do you have to watch?

People being put in dresses that they probably wouldn't pick for themselves, but it's the only option that the show provides to them, or rings that they probably wouldn't pick out for themselves, but it's the only option the show provides. And we're going to shit on the person who's like, well, if I get married, I'm going to do it my way. Generally. I'm going to have the wedding that I want.

I respect that so much more. Like, I'm going to look bombed because I know what I tried on and what I like. I just think that's great. He's just, ooh. We're all shocked. Emma said yes. Definitely was. No.

Were we shocked that Mike said no? No. I was like that. I definitely thought it would be the other way around. Me too. Yeah. But then nobody was also crying. So I kind of was like, were we just mentally also just on this same?

Honestly, yay for them. They didn't work out, but there's mutual respect. Yeah. I want to have a couple redeeming people where it's like, okay, fine. You don't want to get married. That's totally fine. Sure. That you still...

Like it doesn't have to be super dramatic or like toxic. Or mean or like toxic. I feel like she said yes because she knew he was going to say no. That's definitely possible in the world of TV producing. You know? Could you imagine getting that wrong though? Yes. You're like, I think he's going to say no.

So I'm going to say yes. Well, if you're like, I know I'm going to say no. And some TV producers like, listen, I mean, between you and me, you know, this might land better for you if if you get rejected. And they're like, yeah, you know what? Oh, yeah, he's definitely going to say no. Bamboozled. I'm not saying it happened here, but in reality TV, it's a possibility. You know, it makes it on TV.

Anyway. Well, we do have the reunion that drops also on March 11th, the same day Age of Attraction does. So once you get done with the reunion, be sure to keep watching. I imagine your algorithm will serve you up a really great reality TV show called Age of Attraction. Our up next, our friend Tyler Cameron is hosting his new Bachelor spin-off. show, The Bachelor Mansion Takeover. And he is with us to talk all about that and do catch up and see where he is on his own love journey.

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Welcome back, bud. I'm back, baby. Can't get rid of me. Back and better. Nor do we want to. Yeah. You were in our Lakehouse studio. Yes.

Now you're in our new L.A. studio. Guys, I feel like I've got like every iteration of your L.A. studio so far. Like, I remember the one that was like overlooking the city? Yeah, that was the first one. The first one. And then I got the last one.

And then this one, you all have like the big corner sweet. You missed one. There was one in Van Nuys. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. But it's impressive, guys. It's amazing. So congratulations. Thank you. We have a little makeover. You are taking over, making over. Why didn't they name it Bachelor makeover? I don't know, but. Bachelor Mansion. Bachelor Mansion takeover on H.E.T.V. Which, uh, friend of show is hosting it alongside Tasha. And so we have guest judges. So Hannah's episode one guest judge. And then Jesse Palmer, of course, is. Our guy, hosting leading the way.

And so, yeah, it was a fun show. We took over the mansion. So, yeah, walk us through what people can expect with this show, because you're giving the Bachelor Mansion a little bit of a glow-up. A major facelift, yeah. So we come in, we take over the mansion. What's really cool about this, like, if you're a Bachelor Nation nerd, it kind of pulls back the curtains on what the Bachelor Mansion is.

Something like the rooms. Like, yeah, you get to see the bunk rooms in episode one, which was like, which it was never shown when they showed some of the behind-the-scenes stuff. where you see how messy these rooms and get and how crazy it is. So it's that and like just like little cool history quirks. Like the owner of the house is speaking throughout the show, which is really cool. So he gives a lot of cool history. And my favorite part being the nerd I am is like we took apart the wall.

And you could see like all the different paint chips from like over the years. Like you saw like red, yellow, purple, blue, like all these different colors. Because they paint it every season. Because all they've done for 26 years just paint it over. Really? Paint it over. Yeah. didn't know they paint it why would they paint every new season well because like you know if it's the

bachelor and you have the women there it's just like a different color scheme different you know yeah and i could be i was like right here in this maroon area is like my era of making out of hannah like a tree you know every year a tree has the ring yeah exactly like 10 colors before was nick you know but it was like three seasons of it wow i don't even remember what it looked like and you're bringing the entire cast is bachelor nation contestants so it's all a bachelor nation contestants. So you have Bachelor, Bachelorette contestants, you have the Golden Bachelor contestants.

So it's fun to get them all kind of mixing with each other. I didn't realize it, but like it has the Bachelor drama. It does? Yes. Because people like want to get their opinion across. Yeah. So they're fighting about who's right, who's wrong, whose ideas better. And so

they're pitching ideas of how to gloss up the... Exactly. Like if we're in this room, they would all be like trying, they'd be like teams and they'd be trying compete like oh i want to do a red wall and like they're all trying to take a color while saunders over here trying to be like what sheen is it going to be like it is it it is just a lot of chefs in the kitchen can we look forward to some bad ideas oh yes um we have some great hg tv judges like that are from hg tv world that come in and to hear them pick apart some of the designs and the critiques like

they get into it they humbled them yeah all right so we've already had one episode it's out now Yep. So episode one is out now. You can watch it back on HBO Max. So we had our first Elimination's Week 1, which have been controversial because they just picked off the person who didn't vibe with the best. Very traitor is. Yeah. So who didn't they vibe with? They kicked off Sandra and then they kicked off Jeremy. Jeremy from a recent paradise? From the recent paradise. Yeah. And Sandra is a golden bachelor contestant. And it was tough to see them go. Are you picking favorites? So what happened was, is we had two rooms, right? The bunk rooms. The guys ended up teaming up together versus the ladies.

And the ladies crushed. Obviously. And the ladies won. So that was before. So then there was like some skill work stuff to do together to learn about each other. And then they, that's what they did. The first elimination. Like how do they get along with each other?

And so people got eliminated. Okay. Yeah. I hear. Good. Because there's a prize at the end. You can win money. You can win $100,000.

I hear there's some drama with how that went out. Yes. Well, when we first told them everyone about eliminations, they came after me. I'm like, guys, I'm just here to let y'all know the news, you know what I mean? You learn as a host that you get, well, you get, you get all the blame. You do some, and you get some credit you don't deserve probably as host, right? Because like, do you remember, like, obviously we know in the show, Harrison was. Yeah, Chris Harrison.

You know, and you just think like, oh, this is, it's his show. You know, he probably cast at us. You know, like he's. You're coming at him. all his idea. Yeah. And then you kind of like, once you learn not to take any, you know, as hosts of our show, we, you know, we were very involved and we appreciate being, you know, a part of the show

and included. But like, we are, we are here to serve the show and present to cast members in the audience what it is. And it's just like, we're like, yo, whoa. Exactly. And I caught all of them. Oh, they didn't, they didn't give it to Tasha. No, they came to, they came at me and like, I was the bad guy.

And I mean, it was fun. It was like, because I went back, I'm like, guys, don't you want to want $100,000? You know, like, of course you got to eliminate each other. Like, first of all, you came from the Bachelor world. Like, you got to get eliminated, you know? And they're like, well, this is HGTV. I thought. I was like, no, this is HGTV with Bachelor.

I should know this because I haven't seen the first episode yet. Are they handing out roses? There's no roses. There's no roses. Yeah. But you do. At the end of it, they go, Sandra, say your goodbyes. Oh, no.

So there's great, like, odes to what the Bachelor is throughout. Wow. All right. Well, everyone check it out. What else is going on, man? It's definitely good watch. You know, just back in Florida with Tate. You know, we got a lot of work on our hands. We started a tool line together, which has been fun called Tinker. So I'm surprised you didn't call us to come tinker this space and get it right for you guys. We kind of afford you. Yeah. Well, we have, I'm sure, some tinkering we could have the two of you do.

We'll have you tinker something. Yeah. So, yeah, we started this tool line, and it's all about, like, making aesthetically beautiful tools. and teaching people how to DIY. How can people find some tools? We are going to be, we're in Target, we are going to be in Sam's Club, we're on Loz.com. So dinner's on you tonight.

Dinner's on me. Whose idea was that yours or Tate's? It's something that we've been wanting to do for a long time, and then we finally met people that were doing kind of the idea that we were doing, and then we started having some conversations with them, and then we came to a partnership and an agreement, and we're really excited,

and we're going to kind of take this and expand on it and go around and teach. Tate's the perfect person for this because I feel like everyone's tired of mansplaining. Like, let me tell you how to hang this TV, you know. But if Tate's doing it, it looks awesome. She's way better at it than I am, first of all. It's way less intimidating when she's explaining it, you know.

So, I mean, this girl's hung up like a 75-inch TV at our house. By her, I was gone one day. She built your entire house with her own two parents. Can I ask you a question? I've been thinking about this a lot lately and reflecting with our show coming out. How long have you been together with Tate? Two and a half years almost. When you think back about where you were in your life, just the whole life, what you were doing, where you were living, and then you think, how has Tate changed your life?

Hmm. Question. I think. Like in measurable ways. Not like in a like, oh, man, she's just like my heart. I'm the happiest. Like for me, I answer that question. And I'm like, I was living like, I was living in like, I was living in.

Venice, like a two bedroom bungalow on the beach. I had this show driving a car. And I was just kind of like coasting. And now I just look at my life and everything I have in it, you know, just the show, you know, just everything has grown exponentially ever since I've met Natalie. And just obviously, just I'm happier and my kids. Kids. Yeah, which is, I don't sit down and reflect and ask myself. That's a great question to ask yourself. And I think as I'm thinking about that, You say that my life has changed drastically so much better since she's gotten into my life. I think I'm much more hungrier and want to make bigger things happen, whether it's in the

entertainment world or even stuff in real estate. And I think a lot of that has to do with her and the life I want to live with her and the dreams that I have. You know, I want to build a big real estate company and do big projects back in South Florida. And I want to do more with entertainment and help her grow. And I want her to be a star interior designer on TV one day. But I think what you're talking about, like my life has exponentially gotten better because I was like kind of just like you said, coasting kind of living life like kind of just like, oh, what part of your drunk thing will I do next, you know? And no real reason, I guess, to what I was doing, just kind of floating in this like entertainment world, which is it's really easy to float in this entertainment world because just wait for the next gig or the next opportunity.

And you're just kind of on this calendar of events that you go to. annually, you know, and you know there's going to be work and you just see what mess you get into and you laugh about it with your boys and nothing's for real. But now I was like purpose. I think she's created a lot of purpose is like a good thing. Good way to play. Now I got me thinking over here. You know, I think she's changed my life in more ways than I even acknowledge or think about, you know. Yeah, I mean, I didn't spend a lot of time thinking about. I was just like, I don't know. I think I like read it like a, it was in where in Mexico. I read something. It was like be careful. who you marry, you know, because like you're, it'll impact your life. Well, everyone said that's the most important decision you've ever made. And then I was this like, and ever since I met Natalie, you know, we've been through so much together. And I, you know, just really leaned in to my relationship with Natalie. And I'm just like, well, you know, it's really going great. So I just like measurably like look back and it's just like, you know, and every step of the way. I mean, she's, whether it's directly, she's had so

many direct impacts, like, you're just being part of the show, but just like what I've been able to do with her and as an individual. How long did y'all date before y'all got married? We got, we were engaged after two years. Engaged to two years. And then we got married a year later and pregnant several months after the engagement. Gotcha. So you are honestly a little behind and you should.

I didn't really want to put you on to that. I mean, I did feel like that's where that was going. Well, I was going to say like, so. This is backfiring. Yeah. I could really use a headline out of this interview. Backfired. Yeah.

If you could announce something, that would be great. Well, I was going to make the joke. It's not a good joke to make, I guess. It was like, you know, we're talking about like everyone's like marrying someone is the biggest, most important decision of making your life. And I'm like, so can people get off my back for it be only two years? But I guess this is not the right crowd. It's not the right crowd.

Two years is plenty of time. But it is interesting to think about like in past relationships where you're just like, man, I just like, man, we, you know, like, it's just the energy you, invest in a relationship or you know like when I was younger you'd fight a lot with girlfriends or whatever and it's just like you and when you think about this decision I don't know something that's on your mind you know it's interesting and think about like how your life has actually changed since you've met that person and do you feel like you're further ahead than when you were yeah I think I've definitely because of her pushed myself to take on more things like you know start more businesses and try

harder things and make myself exhaust myself more and better in ways to financially you know benefit ourselves in our future so she's definitely like a leading motivation to that because if it doesn't work out for you and take you're going to have to go an age of attraction and yeah yeah but i date up or down it's really up to you it's right i'm a tweener it's uh you can actually meet someone your age you could there are no rules yeah we don't we don't force anyone really but we allow the opportunity. So are you guys excited about this? Oh, of course. Like, this is huge. No, of course. I'm tempering expectations. Yeah. I'm excited. I think it's really good. Natalie is a star. She really shines. Like, you know, you've seen me on TV. People know what they're getting from me.

It's fine. You know, but as a host, like she's, I've, like, like the way you think of Tate, I've always thought Natalie has a certain. Genese Chiquin about her, you know, a presence. I was going to say. you know, French is, you kind of have that, I mean, you're a charming motherfucker. I was going to say more redneck than French. Yeah, I was going to say, wow. He was like, wow, it's not a lot for Georgia girl. I'm just a tryhard who has, you know, is willing to share an opinion now and then. And when it comes to relationships, obviously, I'm very into that.

But it's been fun to see Natalie really, really shine in these moments. And she looks great on camera. I'm always like, I think it's going to be good. It was really fun to do together. And I'm sure, I mean, like you did your, your show with Tate. the Amazon Prime one. Yeah. It's interesting doing, you know, being, again, being a host because, you know, you're,

you're part of the show. You're not the focus of the show. You're not, you know, you're, you're not even what the show's about. Even when you're part of it, like, it's not, you need to not be in it. You know, you need to allow things to happen. You're not here to. So it's like on Bachelor Mansion takeover, like when they were fighting, were you ever present to where you're like, oh, this is good.

Like, keep it going, guys. I know. And there was, you're like a, you're like a viewer sitting inside. It's like being on, you know, in the fashion. It's live TV. It's live TV. And you're just watching this unfolding. You're just like, this is great.

That's a great feeling though when you're hosting or doing something. And you're like watching it and you're like thrilled and fired up. Like I can't believe this is working out the way it's working out. Like this is unreal. You're like, this is good. Yeah. Then you're like, I hope they just cut that perfectly the way I see it in my brain. I know.

I know. Yeah. And so it was fun. We're excited. All right, well, thanks for top of men, man. Of course. Anything else you want to put out there or bring proclamations or? Any proclamations?

Well, today I'll stay into it and I'll say it again. I love you, Tate. Aw. What are the chances? That you get her pregnant. Yeah, it was like, more likely you get pregnant or get engaged first? There's an AI article today that we're pregnant. Oh, they're pregnant?

I love those. The Facebook, like, yeah. I got that sent to me by a lot of my family. Well, after we did, we announced Natalie was pregnant with twins, there was an AI article with two people who looked like us, but, well, actually didn't look like us at all. They didn't look like us at all. But a guy had a beard

and hair. And there was a Burnett woman. And a baby. And a baby. It was like an AI version that wasn't us at all. Yeah, no, she'll kill me if we get pregnant before getting married. Before we go, remind people where they can watch Bachelor Mansion takeover. Yes, tune in every month.

Monday night at 8 p.m. on HGTV. Or HBO Max. Or HBO Max the next day. Yes. All right. Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills. Did you see your friend of FOS, friend of show, friend of life? Brad Goresky? Brad Goreski. Brad Greshki. Is in the drama. He is in the comment. He is in the comment. She called her experience with some bad apples triggering. Triggering, I've had the best in the world who are like family. But it also goes the other way. She said, it's the hardest job to Phil always. And then Brad replied to that Instagram post and said triggering for the assistance

as well. Taylor, Jill, Jordan, Tara, me. And then he tagged all of them. And then Jordan replied to his reply, accurate. Which is funny because he was just on Watch What Happens Live. And I feel like Andy like asked him about Rachel and he was so like buttoned up and like no no snark whatsoever. I mean, I mean, over the years, he's been pretty buttoned up about it. Um, Brad He had a, I mean, he was on Rachel's. The Rachel's O project. Yeah, he also then have his own show. I mean, I didn't watch a ton of Rihanna TV back then, but I watched that show.

And I was, you were a, Brad, it was Brad was the star. Mm-hmm. And then they had a breakup. And Brad got his own show. It's Brad Brad World. Mm-hmm. And so, yeah, he definitely made a name for himself. And then a lot of the drama between Rachel and Brad was.

In 2011. Was senator around the accusation that Brad stole one. one or many of Rachel's clients, one of which is known as the iconic Demi Moore. Who he still works with today. I found I happen to find an article. Well, this is an interview. I don't know. It's WWD Women's Wear Daily.

In recent years, Goreski has been helping her hit the mark. Speaking of Misty Me, Moore met Goreski in 2008 when he was a young assistant and she wants to set the record straight. Despite recent reports, her longtime collaborator and friend did not steal her away from her previous stylist, previous being Rachel's O. He rescued her at a critical moment. Mrs. Demi Moore says his previous employer was supposed to prepare me for Sundance and called two days before and said she couldn't do it. And I would use bread. Said more.

I mean, that'll 100% make you not. But if your stylist cancels on you two days before an event and you like... Your stylist is already becoming a household name herself and busy and going to opportunities. You're just like, you're too busy. But also like that's not just like an event. Like it's not like it's like one night. Like Sundance, she's going to need multiple outfits throughout a weekend. Like I'm like, what are you talking about?

And then you meet Brad and you just like, Brad comes. He saves the day. His energy and his, it's like, yeah, are you kidding? I'm going to stick with Brad. Not that I am an expert. and being styled. But I've been styled before. I've been styled by Brad.

And I feel like being styled, like the best stylists have that perfect balance of knowing what you feel comfortable in, knowing what you like and love, but pushing your boundary just a little bit. Speaking of, that balance. Nick and I just got styled, obviously,

for this upcoming week for Age of Attraction Press. So we have some looks that we're serving. That looks, fantastic. So do you. You're very, he's giving. kind of like Jacob Allordy Ryan Gosling vibes So we need to get you like a bit of a...

He's giving like Tom Ford, St. Laurent like very... I'm here for that. Yeah. I think you'll have to let me know what you think. You'll really like it, Justin. But in the service industry,

makeup artist, hair stylist, whatever stylist, when you say you stole the client, I mean... There's no such thing. No, you have someone liked someone else's work better. You're not even like under contract with a stylist.

Like it's like it's a free choice and it's free length. It's not a life contract. A good example of like current stylist changes is Marga Robbie with she went from her Barbie era stylist. Yes. Yes. To then the transformation with whoever is styling her for weathering heights.

Like it's just a nodder of like taste in era. Like it doesn't always need to be like a dramatic scale. You can work with multiple people. But I think the the best part about this story is so the article that talked about their feud reigniting references when it was happening in 2011 and what they were saying. So in a 2000 episode of reality, series, Zoe accused Goreski of going after clients. Within a week of leaving, he had started to pursue our clients, going to all of these events and doing things that she said he had no interest in.

And then later that year, Goreski denied Zoe's allegations against him in an interview. I think it's unfortunate that she decided to take the angle that she did because it's not the truth. It's unfortunate that all of the time I have spent with her and that the many lengthy conversations we had discussing my departure from working with her, that she would choose to character assassinate me on television. That's not the truth. He added of her client stealing claims. And she knows that's not the truth. I didn't even say goodbye to a lot of her clients because I didn't want anything to be misconstrued as me soliciting anybody. Also, the conversation usually goes like this. Oh, what are you doing now? Oh, I went on my own. Really? Oh my God. Let's lurk together. I'm going to call you. I've

got something on Tuesday. Yeah. I actually really loved working with here. You're a lot of fun. I'm saying it's so casual. Can I read my favorite part of this, which is the end? It says the two have remained unfriendly over the years, despite Goreski's various claims that his door is always open if Zoh wants to bury the hatchet. Most recently, Zoh made her stance on the prospect clear when she revealed in January that a major reason she decided to quit styling was because she couldn't trust assistance. I think after being completely betrayed, for lack of a better term, in various ways, by enough assistance and not being able to trust them with my clients and stuff to represent what I do and how I am with my clients, it just wasn't worth it anymore. I mean,

Wow. I did buy two of her picture frames from home goods yesterday. Rachel Zoh. I love Rachel Zoh. Oh, my sister, so my niece's baptism, I was home over the weekend for it. And my sister had literally gotten her Rachel's O outfits. And they were so cute. And I went, that's right.

In this particular feud, I'm not seeing where she's coming from. I feel like she's the one who keeps perpetuating this. I mean, doing that interview and shitting on all of your assistants. I mean, that allowed Brad to respond and tag all. because he didn't he she was like yeah well she kind of she spun it in positivity which I think is the reason also where like as a previous assistant you're kind of like wait that's like a different recollection of what happened but it's it's it's it's an it's an intimate relationship you know if you start sending your assistant on a regular basis to work with your clients who do you

think they're going to get comfortable with if you're just like then it's not like a fashion brand right but I think like the big part that like we're all leaving out especially rachel herself is that I was like already become the celebrity who gets styled at this point. So it's like you're not walking away from styling because like, oh my God, I can't trust anybody. It's like almost like beneath you at this point. You're the one that's being styled. Like you're not going to be styling somebody else. Like she already is a celebrity at this point, has her own shows, like has a name for herself. You probably are annoyed that people are calling you asking you to pick out their outfits for them. So why do you think she is calling out her assistance and accusing them of? I mean, the Bravo audience is

saying that Rachel Zoh is a blessing to this cast because she knows how to produce reality TV. Like she's actively as she's doing interviews and on the show building her storylines. Well, speaking of, we had a big nothing burger of an episode. I love Beverly Hills. You felt like it gave this episode? Every episode, I'm just like, you know what? I appreciate the little bits here and there of, like, more detail. Okay.

Well, we do have a rapid recap in case you missed the most recent episode of the Royal Housewives Beverly Hills. Rachel Zoh tells her son not to buy just any girl, Arames, and also that their dad's girlfriend sucks. Also, Doreet is happy to say that Operation Hampton's parent trap went well and her and Kyle are cool again. Actually, cut that. Doreet found out Kyle said she was erratic, friendship over again. Amanda's getting married and for sure spending a lot of money on it. Her husband is entering on a horse and she's coming in on a helicopter because that's normal and she's also paying for all of it. So don't forget that she's paying for everything. Kyle and Erica went to check in on Doreet mentally, which can only go well. So Sutton has decided to

room with Amanda on their girls' trip to Villa Bibliani in twin beds because she's nice. This is basically that episode of Sweet Life of Zach and Cody were London and Maddie room together. Also, Dorit is late for the plane. And Kathy Hilton's iPad is in Nashville, apparently. I had so many questions from this episode. What questions are you? Why did we stagger the private jets? How much were the three private jets? It wasn't private. It wasn't private. And Bose explained why? Because she didn't want the drama. I get that. But I'm just like, why were Kathy and them on the third one? Why couldn't they be on the second one?

Did you learn nothing from Meredith Marks? I guess. Like, we're going to break these women up and nothing interesting is going to happen on these flights. I just, I feel like all of a sudden we were just going on another girl strip. I was like, where did this come from? Yeah, I was that one that could call me up. I thought we got back. Exactly.

They never, did they even eat the caviar that was on the table? I don't know, maybe I'm focusing on the round. What I do have a question of, and me and Sierra were talking about this before we recorded, was it showed us Villa Bibliani. And it said, however many acres, however big the mansion is. 100,000 square feet. It's gorgeous. Nine bedrooms. Maybe 13 bathrooms.

How many women do we have? How many women? Why are they sharing a room and why are they both in twin beds? They needed a scene. Because they needed a scene. And it's very much amazing. Zero chance they actually slept in that room together. No.

I think Sutton is really trying to take the role on TV of Mentor. To answer a question. She's trying to Jack Doneggy. We have eight people including Natalie, who's the friend of. Right. So Sutton could have had her own room. There's an extra room. You could push those two beds together, make a full size.

Hey. It could have been a butler's room where, like, you know. They're staying in the butler's room. They don't like the downstairs rooms a lot of the time. For the storyline. I did love Sutton being like the last time I slept in a twin bed was when I gave birth to my children. In the hospital. The hospital, yeah.

This episode of watching Amanda Planner wedding really made me appreciate ours. First of all. $350,000. Helicopter. I will say it's shocking how easy it is to spend money on your wedding. Weddings are so expensive. The helicopter, I'm confused because everything's blowing away. Literally me.

Like, everyone's like hair is now the table. The flower petals falling out of the helicopter. Will the horse not be scared of the helicopter? Well, that's what that was her husband's argument. Yeah. Amanda is going to manifest her hair not blowing from a helicopter. Well, of course she doesn't care about any of her guests. No, I have the vision.

The helicopter is like an acre away. So you see her come down and then she rides the horse or whatever to the rest of the people. Her husband was on the horse. She was not a part of the horse. equation. And the horse is supposed to be like walking them to the reception where I'm like, could you imagine stomping in your heels behind a horse shitting? The horse and the helicopter are two completely separate concepts in this wedding. You've been to a lot of weddings. I mean, obviously, you know, you're seeing her shop for China. Yeah. Oh, pretty. I like this gorgeous.

No, it was obviously pretty and clearly, like expensive, but like. Just extra. It seems like so much extra. Like, I don't remember what we ate off of at Sarah and Wells' wedding. No, but that's what I'm saying nobody does. And that's why I'm saying. Or ours. Absolutely, we're ours. I don't. But that's what I'm saying. I feel like a lot of this is like for show, but then it's just kind of like, again, it is your day.

So like whatever it's going to take for it to be the perfect day for you. I just don't think a lot of people require that I've been to some very stunning weddings that are probably high up there on the budget and nobody needed to cascade down from a helicopter to prove shit. No. You know. That's what it does feel very like I have to prove that I'm the money magnet, that I am the money queen and co. There you. I does feel that. I do see the vision of the helicopter.

You see the vision I see the vision. I don't care if she comes out looking like blasted by the wind. It's the idea of her like writing. It's not her being blasted. It's the No, that's I'm saying But she's like an acre away. We can watch her come down.

Acre? Not actually. But then she has to I take a golf car? Yes. You have to take a golf car? We can skip that part in the same. The orchestra is now like making it an epic because they're just like oh my God it's taking her so long I make it done here.

I just so extra for no reason. I think I just love the idea of. She said they're going to be like oh no, there's a helicopter oh wait the helicopter's landing oh my god the bride's getting out of a hell i'm like no one's saying that because they're all like oh my god oh my god there's stuff flyers she could parachute out of it i would still be like love it and she did say she wanted her like boss lady moment she loves the moment i guess it gives boss lady but it definitely like you don't you don't think helicopter and go romance sexy love no i like to think of her cascading down like from like like a like you know how they have the little like draw

ropes or whatever, like, that she's just, like, being hovered down. But then it's like, I just think of, like, Justin Timberlake and friends with benefits when he's, like, under the helicopter just being blown around. Like, I'm like, there's just no way that this is going to come off sexy. And, like, she's in her wedding dress or veil. I can't imagine a veil and a helicopter. You know what? Scrap the veil. She's got to get her own.

Mothification. Maybe she's going to do, like a slick back. Wrap it up, pull it down on you're down. No, what she needs to do is she needs to do a little killbill moment. where she's like in a tight little cat suit and then she gets out the elevator so nothing's moving. She then unzips wedding dress.

That's their ownzips the cat suit yeah to reveal the wedding dress. So it looks like a hollowing costume that's been like in storage for a year. Yes. I see the vision. I see the vision. Yes, because then guess what?

Someone's going to meet her with a steamer. Steam that girl. Okay. We're not going to see it. It's going to be behind the helicopter. Then she's going to come out of the helicopter. Look perfect. You know, movie magic can exist in real life.

I shouldn't be told. I want to go to this wedding so bad. Do we see the wedding in the season? I don't think. No, it's October, 26. 10, 10, 26. I don't know how you missed that. 10.

10. 206. All right. Well, that will do it for us today. Thank you to our guest, Tyler Cameron, and Teresa, one of the new stars of the hit show, Age of Attraction, that is available on Netflix tomorrow, March 11th. And don't forget, going deeper this Friday. Don't miss it. We'll see you then.

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