The Viall Files - E1093 - Going Deeper with Amber and Brittany: Love is Blind Unpacked

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

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All you have to do is go to VAL Files Plus and you will be lucky you did. Amber. Hi. Welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Brittany, welcome to the show. Hi, thank you for having me too.

Well, we're excited to both talk to you ladies. Obviously, a lot to get into. We have the pleasure of having Amber here in studio. And fortunately for the world, Brittany is obviously doing the Lord's work as a nurse and doing some great things. Unfortunately, that meant she couldn't make the trip out here. But we're excited to be with you both and certainly a lot to get into. First of all, like, how's your heart, Amber? You know what? I'm doing okay. Okay. It's been a long

six months, but I've had a lot of support. It was not expecting the outcome to go like that. But luckily, the girls really lifted me up along the way. I reached out to them immediately. after Jordan and I, after Jordan decided he wanted to not be a part of this anymore. I was very broken at first, but, you know, I took the time to really heal, really focus on myself. It was a really good, honestly, learning experience for me. Yeah, yeah. And how are you doing overall, Brittany, with this, just kind of like watching the season unfold and everything that's come with it?

The first few weeks were very, very emotional processing. watching everything, very hurtful. But now I feel like, now that I've seen everything and have been able to live at all, I feel so much better. I feel happy. I feel free. I feel ready for the next thing. And you two have remained close, correct? Absolutely. Well, this will be very helpful, because obviously I know this is, you know, we'll be emotional for both of you ladies. And I, you know, I'm sure there's a little bit of nerves. But feel free to help each, you know, you guys know, You guys know so much of each other's story. Feel free to help guide the other person along if they're leaving things out.

Amber, I want to start with you. You kind of mentioned, so ultimately it was Jordan who decided he wanted to get a divorce. Yes. And then I'm curious is that wouldn't happen. Were you really caught off guard or were there things leading up to that where you were just like, okay, this isn't going the way I thought it would? No, I was absolutely caught off guard. Okay.

You know, we had had a few fights, but from the day to day, we talked every day. It was, I love you. We had a good weekend. You know what I mean? There were a couple instances, but for the most part, we were doing pretty well. I kind of felt towards the end he was starting to get a little bit emotionally guarded and taking steps back. I gave him a little bit of space and he came back and was just like, this isn't what I want. And that was not what I was expecting at all.

Wow. When you first got out, like at repost wedding, you know, you're leaving the bubble. I think for a lot of people who go in these kind of experiments, there can be kind of a decompression period where you kind of go into the real world. And then I think sometimes in these situations, people can almost pull away a little bit because it's like what almost what just happened. And I'm curious, what was it like the days following your wedding? You know, you guys are into the real world.

What were some of those conversations that you and Jordan had about like, all right, what's next? Like, what are we going to do, you know, moving forward? And like, what was the vibe of that? So immediately after the wedding, everything was going fine. We had conversations about him moving in potentially that July. I wanted to give him an Emma chance to really grow a bond. And I know there's a lot of controversy about why, How could you bring a man into your life after he only met your daughter one day?

I'm going to be honest that one day that they met, they had an impeccable bond. It was amazing. I could feel it. My daughter doesn't really get close to that many people. And they just bonded instantly. I am not a person that brings multiple men into her life. This is actually the first man she had met in any of my relationships. And he was your husband. Yeah.

And he was about to be my husband. And realistically, I had not. never had any worries about that. Jordan's not the, all in all, he is a good guy, you know. He's not the type of guy that I was like, oh, he might be skeezy. He, you know, might be dangerous towards my daughter. Like, he doesn't have a dangerous bone in his body. So there was nothing about that that really shook me. Also, like, I mean, again, every parent, you know, do you, you know, with your kids. I always find that that conversation a little odd when when people judge how single parents go about introducing people to their kids

as if like people meet your kids every day. Exactly. You know, River meets adults every day. She plays with them. It's not like some like ceremony. Right. Like I don't like,

I imagine you didn't like lay it all on Emma right away where you like gave her the whole like, this man's going to be in your life for the rest of your like you're like here. Here's a guy. You know, and we had I had talked with her previously before meeting like, hey, this may happen. This may not.

This is what's going on. She's very understanding. And I honestly wasn't going to bring her to the wedding just in case it was a no, but she begged me because she's never been a flower girl. She was just, please, please, please. I was like, I'm not really sure what's going to happen. So she had a full understanding in that moment. The camera gets her tearing up a little bit. And it literally was just because everybody was so loud.

She hates a lot of loud noises and a lot of loud clapping and everything. So she just felt overwhelmed at that moment. And, you know, I can't even take her to fireworks because she hates all that noise. We weren't expecting all that noise when everybody was shouting. So that's why she just kind of got overwhelmed and started tearing up. She was completely fine after the ceremony. She was actually, you know, very excited about the whole process. So that being said, you know, him and I had planned to move in together around July to give her a chance to really bond with him.

What month was the wedding? April. April. Beginning of April. So we talked about that, him, you know, coming up and staying throughout the week and just really seeing how things. went, which again, throughout that process, the bond between him and her grew. And it was actually really incredible. She absolutely loved him. Would make him pictures. She got so excited whenever he was about to come up. So that portion of it, you know, wasn't an issue at all. And like post-wedding,

I'm assuming you checked in, or did you kind of just assume everything was great, like right after the wedding? Did he ever give you any kind of he was having a hard time adjusting vibes to like being outside of the love is blind bubble into the real world? No, not really. I knew it was going to be an adjustment period. I don't think they show this in the show, but on our wedding day, he told me, I've talked to my family and I'm going to come move to Mount Vernon for at least a little bit, because it's not fair to uproot you and Emma. Like, you know, he was totally down for that. And I was like, we're not stuck here for the rest of our lives. Plus, it's actually only like 45 minutes to an hour from the city. It's not a big deal. Like, I literally go to Columbus all the time.

any weekend that I want to go out or do anything, I'm there. I can take an Uber home. Like, it's not like I'm seven hours away from anything. And what was his big reason for not wanting to move? Was it like anything specific like a job? Or was it just like, he works from home. He just didn't want to. He works from home. His, he was concerned about being uprooted from his friends, which was a little bit concerning for me. Because I guess like being in my position like with a full time career and a daughter, I don't consider. my friends for where I live. I go to see them when I see them, but they're not, you know, I'm not like hanging out every Tuesday, Thursday on their couch. Like it was when I was like 22.

Yeah. Brittany, what was your impression of Jordan as you got to know in the kind of love is blood experiment? What were you thinking about Amber and Jordan's kind of strength as a couple as they kind of embarked outside their wedding? Jordan is a teddy bear. He's just a big teddy bear. I think Jordan is a really good guy. And I think he truly wanted to show up for Amber. And he helped bring Amber to a place where she loved men because before that in the pod, she was not rocking with men. So it was so great to see that he brought out, like, her real personality and who she is.

And I really thought that they were like so perfect together. So it was really sad to see that things didn't work out. It is what it is. Yeah. I mean, and this whole experiment is, well, just that an experiment. And it's fascinating to see how things unfold. Do you think, I'm curious, as you reflect back now, Amber, like, what is your read on kind of what happened with you and Jordan? Do you think it was just a matter of him realizing he wasn't mature enough to handle this type of relationship?

Yeah. And I don't even think he's realized that yet even. he, as things progressed, I think he did not want to be tied down. And I think that was scaring him. And he keeps deflecting on other things. Like at the reunion, he deflects on, oh, I came to a wedding and he tries to make it sound like I missed the entire ceremony and showed up drunk and was a drunken mess at that wedding. That actually didn't happen. I actually have receipts. Love it. So he tries to make that like a big deal. And then that I've seen like online. turned into like, oh, Amber was a drunk mom, blah, blah, blah. I'm going to tell you right now, I don't have time to be a drunk, like, quite honestly. I am a primary care provider in family medicine. I have like 1,200 patients under me solely. I have a collaborating physician, but he has his own patient group. So I'm typically at work Monday through Thursday. I usually work from 9 until around 7.30 p.m. And then I live a half hour from there. So I get home around 8. Matt drops Emma off. You know, I get her showered. We do anything that's left with home. homework, you know, I get her to bed. Okay, by this time it's like 9.30, then I sit down to have dinner around like 9, 45, 10 o'clock. And then I go to bed Monday through Thursday. And then I have Emma on Fridays. So we have a pizza party or a dance party. You know, I make it special.

I take a roller skating, different things like that. And then Saturdays, I can kind of do what I want. Matt has her Saturday and Sunday. But I can count on my hand the amount of times I've been out. The only times I've actually been out or when I was with Brittany and the girls. And how many times have we met up in the last like six months, maybe five? Exactly, a handful of times where we've gone out. Yeah, and I'm not sitting there like killing bottles like at my house. You know what I mean? And I think that's why it's funny because I look a little bit tipsy on most of the episodes because I really don't drink that much. And I was, you know, you're on the show. You're nervous so you are drinking. I don't have my kid. So it kind of hit me hard. And I'd like, you know, have a glass of

wine and I'm like, uh, you know, I'm not used to that. So anyway, with this wedding that he completely deflected to. Do you know about this, Brittany? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've seen, seen the text thread between them and the communication. It was very clear. He goes, it starts at five. I want to get here a little early to get seated. So I say, okay, I'm on my way. At that time, my car went into what's called limp mode because there was something wrong with it. So I don't know if that's ever happened to you or not, but it's basically where your car won't go above, like, 35 miles an hour. I had that happen. It is terrible. It's a weird thing. You're like, what is it coming on with my car? It's absolutely terrible. I did not have time. Like, I'm on my way to this wedding and I'm,

it's, I have to take all these back roads too. So I'm trying to go up these hills, right? So there's a line of cars like, behind me, like, honking, like, give me the middle finger because I'm like, ah, like, I cannot actually get there. So I'm telling him about this and this text message. I'm like, I'm so stressed. I don't know if I can make it exactly by five. And he goes, okay, just be careful. Are you going to get the car situation tomorrow? And I'm, you know, we're talking about that. He's like, it's so annoying. So I end up getting there. He goes, I've already had eight beers though. L.O.L. Oops. And this is at like 5 p.m. Which it's his best for his way to go ahead. Get drunk. He didn't stop drinking. So no, I did not show up to this wedding trash. I did miss

a ceremony because my car was, you know, in a bad situation. He was lit at this wedding. Like, I ended up, I was very, very stressed out from, I was working even longer hours. I was actually that week in my clinic until around 10 p.m. every night, it was terrible because of a few things that were going on in the practice. So I get there. I am exhausted. This is a Friday, Friday wedding. You know, I started drinking liquor, which I never drink liquor. I almost always drink wine. I don't know why. Somebody handed me like a Tito's and soda or something, and I was just so stressed out from the car and that. I started just drinking it. And that, like completely annihilated me. I didn't do anything that was like crazy. I literally just like by 10

p.m. fell asleep on the table. So at the reunion, Jordan deflects this and makes me look like this awful drunk person that I'm. It's also just like one night, right? It was one night. I apologize 900 times the next day because what happened he saw me fall asleep at the table. I don't know what I say. He says I said a bunch of stuff to him. He was lit. Okay. So I don't know if that even actually happens. He tries to tell people I try to drive home. I don't drink and drive. So, you know, if anything, I may have been like, I'm going to go home. Like, you know. You've, you've had drinks with Amber Brittany. You can confirm. Uber's every time. Absolutely. Well, all I need to know is that before he even laid eyes on Amber, he was eight beers deep. Yeah. I'm like, you're telling me.

You know, and so it's so funny. I mean, the man loves to drink, obviously. He's getting like promos from beer and everything like that. Every single picture is at a bar. The reason he didn't want to move to Mount Vernon, one of them was because there weren't enough bars. So trust me, drinking on my end was not the problem. Did he literally tell you that that there's not enough bars or was that something you assumed? No, no. He said that. It's recorded on the show. So he takes my keys and puts me in my car to go to sleep and I fall asleep and he goes back and keeps partying with his friends. This is at like 11 p.m. at night and I wake up and I'm like scared and alone in my car. I don't know where he's at. I'm hurt that he just left me there. Wait, wait. Wait. Wait. Hold on. You're at this wedding.

You, you had a little bit to drink. He was all so drunk. He does what? He puts you in my car. In your car. But took my keys. Like, I wasn't going to drive anyways. I promise you. Did he like leave the car running or some windows down? Were you like? Wait, so he brought you to your car. you're obviously inebriated, not, you know, which is we have all been there. And he took your keys and left you in a car? Yeah. In a parking lot? Yeah.

And went back to party with his friends. And again, it's not like he'd been partying obviously with him all day. He was eight beers deep by five. So it's, again, probably 10 or 11 p.m. at this time, I am not one. Even when I go out drinking this day up super late, Brick can attest to that. I am like in bed by midnight every single time. So I wake up and I'm really, really hurt because I'm like, where is my husband? Why am I in the situation?

So I got an Uber and Ubered home. Like I didn't even really want to talk to him at that point because I'm like, really hanging out with like your friends and drink. I get that it's your best friend's wedding, but you have been drinking all day. I mean, at that point, his best friend's married. Yeah. And, you know, I don't. Right.

I'm assuming he's with his bride. I was about to say, I'm sure he wants to hang out with his wife. Yeah. Yeah, I don't. So I feel like the responsibility. of the best man at that point by 11 is probably wrapped up. And I feel like he should have been with his inebrated wife. Right. Like making sure she got home okay. At a minimum, like get her in an Uber and like, hey, text me when you get home. Like, I feel like that's kind of Berman.

Yeah, Berman. Yeah. You can just be like, all right, it's time to go. And you can be irritated with your wife, I guess. You know, she got a little sauce at your best friend's wedding. You can be, there's a conversation maybe to be had the next day. But, oh, he says that was what killed our relationship. And I was like, are you kidding me? And he kept alluding that. So I ubered home back to Mount Vernon. The next day, he's like, I can't even believe you're not apologizing, blah, blah, blah. Like, we ended up talking it out. I apologize 900 times. The rest of the relationship, I don't drink liquor. I don't get drunk like that. You know, him and I went to, we had a weekend in New Orleans with his friends. I didn't get too drunk at all. You know,

he actually got more lit and I didn't care. I'm like, you're with your friends. It is what it is. Like there was never another time where it was like, Amber is this like, you know, crazy person. Like I made sure at that point like, nope, I'm not going to drink any liquor. We're going to kind of move forward with this. And, you know, that was that. So that being said, at the, I feel like he started to realize he wasn't ready to just kind of settle down in Mount Vernon, which again, we weren't going to be there for forever. You know, I just needed a chance to like potentially sell my house. if I wanted to keep Emma in the school systems, you know, and I was kind of trying to work that out

because I was like, actually, I could probably drive her every day, honestly. So your expectation right after the wedding was give me some time. I have a daughter. We have an established life here. But like long term, we as a married couple can figure this out and it doesn't have to be Mount Vernon. I just need some. I just give me some time. Like I have to sell my house.

Yeah. Yeah. I want to clarify just for the audience. Absolutely. Like there's a lot of things. and you're a homeowner that you have to do before you just move. So, again, that being said, I feel like he started to realize he wasn't ready. So then he just started deflecting on that moment over and over again.

He started kind of making these excuses in his head. He started pulling back a little bit more. I still don't think he can admit that because at the reunion, it was pretty clear that he couldn't. He was like just so kind of not really aggressive, but just it was a really bad, weird. vibe. Did y'all have any conversation before reunion of like, hey, this is what we are going to share with the world. This is what we're not going to share. Like, were you on the same page at all going into reunion? Or were you like, I don't know what the fuck he's going to say? So I didn't know what he was going to say. So I give him two weeks off. And then we had talked about counseling too for a little bit. Even though we weren't really having that many issues, I knew he wanted to do it. And he kind of kept, again, deflecting to that. I was like, I'm absolutely. game for counseling, you know, that is completely fine. So gave him the two weeks off. He's like, can I come up to Mount Vernon and talk? He comes up and he, I'm expecting him to be like, yeah, you know, let's do the counseling. Let's work on this. You know, it is what it is. There was never

any of those like terrible, terrible moments between us where I thought it would end. And he came and he had a basket full of my stuff that I had at his house. And he's like, sat down on my couch. she's like, yep, this just isn't working. Like, I was like, what do you mean? It's just not working. Like, they were not like dating. Like, this is, we're married. And I was in utter shock, honestly.

And I was like, Jordan, like, whoa, wait a second. And like, I'm begging you. Let's go to counseling. I was like, you don't even have to talk to me. We can have our first talking session in counseling. Like, I don't care. I was like, marriage is super important to me. I really want this to work.

Like, at this point, he had gotten to do. know my daughter really well. She was so close with him. He's like, nope, nope, nope. And I just started like, bawling. I'm like, please, like, what is going on? And he's like, he just walked out my door. And, you know, what I've learned is you don't chase men. So from that moment, he never texted me. I did not have a conversation with him. I'm not going to sit there and like beg you to stay. If a man walks out of your life, you don't let him, don't let the door hit him on the way out, basically. Because they're not going to, you know, they just feel more trapped in that moment. We don't talk at all.

I see him at a random mixer that we have. This was one, one, probably October, I think it was. All the cast decided to get together. This is first time I see him. And this is more like, this is not like a show together. Yeah, not a show. The friends were like all there. We invited like, let's just meet him and the girls because we haven't met yet.

Okay. So probably like 18 people there at this. pretty busy bar. So there was a lot of other people. So first time seeing him, he comes up, gives me a giant hug, and he's like, hey, how's it going? Like, kind of acts like I'm like an old friend,

which was a little bit hurt. He's like, hey! Literally. Literally, that's how it was. But I was like, okay, like, I'm just. But at this point, you're still married. Yeah. Okay.

I'm like, going to hold my composure, you know, and I don't sit there and try to, he's like, how are things going, blah, blah. And although I'd been like severely depressed, over the past couple months, I didn't say anything about that. My brother knew I was on the struggle bus, so I was randomly planning a trip to Europe and he's like, I'll come meet you out there, like, we'll do that. So I was telling Jordan that, yeah, my brother and I are going to Europe. Like, this is going to be fun. That's like literally the only conversation I had, but he gave it

such a good vibe that I was like, okay, even though, you know, later on we kind of talked about the divorce and it was never sticky. He's like, I'm going to send over this paperwork, blah, blah, I'm like, okay, good deal. like there was never any fighting after that. So it was very confusing to me when we got to the reunion and, you know, we're waiting to go on stage and I see him and he's just like totally ignoring me. I'm like, okay, this is kind of off. And then we sit down and they let him speak first and he's like, well, it was like these toxic things. She just let her past ex-boyfriends like it. And I was like, that's actually not even what happened at all. So then they gave me a chance to speak and I say like,

Jordan, I don't think you were ready. Like, you know, you kept staying in Columbus. Like, you wanted me to basically work my full-time job, take care of my house, take care of my daughter by myself. And then on Saturdays come meet you in Columbus all dolled up and, you know, ready to go. And I'm not like a weekend wife. And then he then in that moment, because Jordan is like a little bit insecure about himself. And I could feel him start to spiral on that chair because he's like kind of starting to look bad. And that's when he was like, just started like going at me and like brought up this drunken wedding situation, which was again, super fucked up because you don't do that again to a single parent. Like there's so many people online that are like, she's a drunk mom. Like that's

dangerous territory. I was about to say, I can imagine like whether y'all were together, well, I guess y'all weren't together while this has been airing. But I imagine he has seen whatever criticism you have gotten. And I'm sure he's seen that and been like, wow, that I'm sure that is hurtful to her. So then for him to go on national television and like push that narrative even more, I feel like was just an extra stab in the back. It really was. You're also just, I want to just recap, just make sure people understand and then make sure I understand. But when he came to you to say he wanted it in this relationship, he basically showed up at your place. You weren't expecting that. He's like, yo, this isn't going to work out. You were obviously upset. For a brief moment,

you try to ask some questions and try to get him to reconsider, you realize that wasn't going to happen. You let him go. And you never heard from him? No, not a word. He didn't check in? Nope. How you doing? Should we talk?

Nope. He didn't even say by to Emma. And Emma was extremely hurt about it at first, too. She's doing well now. Like her and I have had so many conversations. She has so much love from her father and I. And let me be clear on this too. I wasn't looking for anybody to really be this.

I guess you could stepdad, but like, she has a dad. She has a great dad, but she loves. Like, I didn't need somebody to fill that void. So that being said, yeah, it was, it was really, really hard during that moment. The last time he saw her was at her birthday party. And she kind of kept bringing that up. She asked me if we could make a memory box to send to him so that he'd remember us. Like, it was, those were like.

some of the hardest moments of my life, I think, because I'm sitting there comforting this little girl, hugging her, giving her all the love. I'm heartbroken. Like, I'm trying not to cry. I had to wait until she fell asleep to cry, you know, because you're trying to be this strong person for her and trying to, like, talk this understanding of what happened to her as well. So, yeah, I don't know. It was just not a good time. I think that's such a relatable feeling, though, as moms of, like, I have to be so strong in this moment to like make sure my baby's okay. And then the second that like babies asleep or gone or doing something you're like can finally process and feel your emotions. And so I think that's that's a very relatable feeling that you've been through. Absolutely.

And then he came and then he kind of came at you at the reunion. Yeah. You're right though. I mean like we've all had moments. We've all gotten a little sauced. I also think he's embarrassed because he got in a relationship, I guess, like a month or two after. So he's been in like a long-term He has. Yeah. And I did not know that until the reunion. Wow. And I didn't even bring it up. I didn't air any of his dirty laundry. I kind of waited for him to bring it up. He didn't. How did you find out he was dating someone? So girls at the reunion actually told my friend Jamie that they're like, oh, didn't you know, he has a girlfriend, you know, blah, blah. And Jamie was like, what? And it's been like, I don't know how I didn't get details. I don't know her name. They say, yeah, it has been like, you know, kind of a long term thing, whatever. I guess he's telling people. he's happy. So I'm guessing at this point, we'd been separated for six months. So probably one, two, three months in, you know what I mean? When was the longest he stayed with you? Like at any point? At your house. Yeah. Like maybe a day or two. And that was kind of on him. So I was expecting it to. So he never like said, all right. I'm going to work from home this week.

I'm going to stay here for a week. We're going to play house. Not even play house. You're married. But like we're going to be a family. We're going to be together. I want to like give this life a chance. Yeah, no, no, which was, again, hurtful because I was kind of expecting at some point once we moved forward, maybe a month or two into it, to have what I pictured was like, you know, we both loved to cook, like coming home from work, making dinner together, talking about our day, like that's really what I wanted. And during this whole time period, I'm still feeling like I'm a single mom that just doesn't have anybody. I'm going to bed alone at night. And that was pretty hurtful. And so he tried to get on me about, like, oh, you're insecure because of like shitty exes,

blah, blah, blah. No, I started to get insecure because I didn't know why my husband didn't want to be around me more. You know, he works from home and he tries to say like, well, I would, I would go there and have to go home, blah, blah, blah. But his family has a lakehouse and he would take a laptop up there and work from there, you know, so he was able to work from home anywhere and he did that. And he did that, but he never did that at my house. Yeah, spend the night, you know. He could go to your house and then go to a Starbucks for during work. Yeah.

You know, coffee shop. That's wild. Yeah. And it got to the point where he would even go out with the guys, like on throughout the week, which, again, I'm fine with. I get that you were doing that before. But, you know, I'm sitting here kind of feeling Instagram. I didn't go out without him, which, again, people can do what they want. But it's like it that was more of the priority than anything.

Like he was hanging out with Chris after the show multiple times and finally got a weird vibe because I guess Chris kept recording all their conversations. What? Yeah, he's a fucking douche. What do you mean Chris was recording his conversations? It was very hard to follow when Jordan told me. He's like, yeah, apparently Chris is like recording everything that we do. Stephen picked up. He was hanging out with Stephen too.

And I'm like, oh, what a fucking great group. Oh my God. Wow, that's crazy. Brittany, I want to switch to you for a second. Your relationship with Devante was obviously one that we followed with great enthusiasm. And, you know, we... I guess, like, I just, how do you reflecting back, watching it back? Because I think a lot of people, obviously, are both, like, huge fans of you, obviously, like, just how you showed up, you know.

But also, I think people have been critical of, of, I guess, guess it's almost as if you're desired to try to make your in devante's relationship work and maybe not necessarily seeing what devante was or wasn't bringing into the table hard flags yeah how do you look back on on what we got to see throughout your season of love is blind so looking back it was really hard to watch because i feel like when we were in it he was very much so he was going through a lot. So his grandpa died when we were in the pods. We came back. He has a new fiance. Plus probably a girlfriend. He had a new job offer in the works. And trying to hide a lot of shit in his life. Sorry. Yeah. Now we know a lot more. But so came back. His grandpa had died.

He has a new fiance. He had a new job proposal that was going to potentially move him West Coast and managing coming back to his normal job. So he was dealing with a lot. And so I was just trying to be very patient with everything that he was going through, give him grace. He just continually kept telling me, like, just keep being patient, like don't give up, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, okay, so I have two choices. Either I'm going to trust the person I fell in love with and be patient or I'm going to run. My MO is normally to run. And I'm like, okay, so we have to make different choices if we want different results. I have learned that I should have gone with my gut. Everything I was feeling in Cabo was exactly what it ended up being. I was just choosing to trust him. So watching it back,

I'm kind of like, I was feeling all of the things and I was addressing everything. It's not like I was completely like, no, this man is amazing. He's perfect. Like I did address plenty of things in what I felt like I was lacking in the relationship or what I felt like he was lacking giving me in the relationship. But watching back, it's definitely, it was hard because it's like I could feel it, but I also was trying to trust him and do something different. Well, also too, like, he kind of loved bombed you in the pods. You guys were best friends. And that, I've been in that situation before. That's a tough situation when they like are amazing to you and treat you great. And then he's a type of person that would do this. He's a love bombing mother.

And then they pull back all of a sudden. It almost gives you that feeling of like insecurity. We're like, oh my God, I need to kind of hang on. And it's such a manipulative technique. And it's something that a lot of liars do. A lot of cheaters. He's obviously a cheater to your pumpkin eater. You know, just it's very, I've seen that happen so many times. And I've been in Brittany's shoes before. And I know exactly how that feels. And everybody's looking at you. They're like, you're an idiot. Why are you doing this? But it's really hard in that moment when they keep dangling a carrot of like, what? what it was like in the beginning. Like, yeah, he's very, very manipulative. He's really good with his words. I think the thing is, is like the person he described himself to be in the pods. It's easy to be something behind a wall. It's hard to actually carry out that character. And he had moments where the person I fell in love with would show up for me.

Mostly off-camera stuff you guys didn't get to see. Like, this man did actually like me or else they wouldn't have been there, even though it looks like he didn't like me. But, yeah, it was really. really hard because it's exactly like Amber said. He would like dangle these little carrots where it's like, no, don't give up on me. Like just keep being patient with me. And I'm like, okay, it's not always going to be like this. Like he literally said that in Cabo. It's not always going to be like this. So I'm trying to be patient and see if the person that I fell in love with was going to show up.

But hearing the way that he spoke about me in my home on that last day, my jaw was literally on the floor because Devonthe never spoke to me like that. He never said anything remotely close to that. Like the most spicy conversation that we had was in Cabo on that couch. He's he like so to hear him think those things about me and feel that way was just completely blindsiding because he was not like that at all. What were the comments that bothered you the most? He said he thought it was weird that I already had a wedding dress that I would just marry anybody, which is not the case at all. I'm five foot. I a very curvy body and the whole point of the show is to get married. So of course, I'm going to get a dress that fits me so I don't look like a potato on my wedding day. Like, I feel like that's not

that hard to like process and the goal is to get married. And then he called me a shadow to which I just, I literally couldn't even believe that because I gave this man so much space that I said multiple times, like, I feel like my love language is not being fulfilled. He told me his love language was also physical touch. So then I'm like, he did. Where? He's not touching. Yes. I thought his love language was leave me alone. It's definitely that now that I've learned, but he told me his love language was physical touch. I'm like, perfect. So is mine. This is great. This will be easy. Like, and his love language is I needed attention from multiple women as many as possible. And I asked him off camera. I'm like, I don't understand like why you would tell me that your love language is physical touch, but then you don't want to touch me. Like you barely touch me. And he said that when I'm stressed and I'm overwhelmed, I just don't want to be touched. And I'm like, okay. So I guess I just need to be patient. But yeah, calling me a shadow when I gave you all of the space in the world and allowed you to like not touch me.

was insane because I'm like, I'm the furthest thing from a shadow don't get me wrong. When I'm with my man, I am super clingy, but I wasn't like that with him because he didn't want that.

Which is also, it's okay to be like, you know, into your person. Right. Yeah. That's the thing. I love you.

I literally want to be in your skin. I'm like, why do you? Yeah. You should feel the same way. Yeah. My wife literally tells me I want to be in your skin all the time.

Oh, and like, I'm definitely not a physical, I mean, I like physical touch. Don't get me wrong. Not like my wife does. But like to your point, like it is our jobs as partners to show up for our partner, understand what they like and how they feel and, you know.

And he'll be like, okay, let's set a 10 minute timer. And you can be in my skin for 10 minutes. And then I'm going to need to. And we joke about it. But yeah, you have, you have to find ways to show up. It's not just telling your partner what you don't like and what they can't do and how they can't receive. He didn't want to show up.

Like, that's the thing. He did not want to show up for Britney. And that it breaks my heart to see that. And I, again, been in her shoes before. I did a man who I found out was cheating on me with multiple women. And it was the exact same vibe. I'd go to his house. And I'm like, why are we not touching?

Like, why aren't you all over me right now? I haven't seen you in like a week or so. And they do the exact same thing. They make excuses. They say, oh, my family. Like, I'm pretty sure my ex had like nine grandparents die at one point. And like, wait a second. Another grandparent.

Yeah. So, like, so sad. I'm just in this headspace. I'm just in this headspace. Yeah. Side note, I did look up the obituary. You're fucking texting other bitches. Yeah.

Was watching those moments back where you kind of were like, do you think I'm pretty? Do you want? And he's like, yeah. Cool. Okay. Well, no. He didn't say, yeah. He did like.

Well, and those. On the couch when he, like, telling me all the things. Because I'm asking him, like, I'm giving and you're not giving back. That's why when I responded, I was kind of like, thanks. Because it was like, it wasn't genuine in that moment. It was nice to hear, like, the little things that he had noticed that he just wasn't willing to say for God knows what reason. It was almost like he had a buddy who was like, hey, you should ask your girlfriend if. It's because he knew that you were too good for him.

If you see his other girlfriend, you know, the one that works at like Applebee's or you're a successful woman. You are beautiful. He doesn't actually works at Appleby's? Yeah. There was the one he dated actually right after the show after he broke up with Britney and like these women that he did. Which honestly, I'm glad she's airing him out because all respect to her.

He tried to use the excuse that like he didn't like the fact that I was black and that's why he stopped wanting to be with me. But you're treating your white. girlfriend exactly the same. Like it's not an us issue. It's a you issue at this. Like, were you thrown off by that? Because Devonte, he is a man of color. Correct. Were you? Yeah. I was when I literally, I was watching with Jess and Emma. And when after we had our reveal and I heard him say that, I literally looked at them and I was like, oh my God. I said, I freaking knew it. Because I had asked him off camera, you know, have you ever dated a woman of color?

And he said, I've dated someone like she was Hispanic. And I said, okay, have you ever dated a black woman? And he was just like really quiet. But he wasn't like, oh, no, this is like the first time. But it's not a big deal or anything like that. He was just quiet. And I'm like, okay, that was interesting. But that also like tells me that, you know, he mostly dates white women, which is fine because the whole, the whole, the whole.

The whole point of this show is to not care what color, what size, anything. Like the whole point is you fall in love with who I am as a person. It makes so much sense that him and Alex are roommates, you know. They both suck. Yeah. Because you guys were really ready for marriage now that your roommates. So it's, I guess, from your point of view, what did you make of the fact that DeVante said he had literally never dated someone who was a woman of color.

From your standpoint, how did you take it? I thought it was different, you know. I mean, we all have our preference of who we find attractive, who catches our eyes and whatnot, but it almost kind of felt like you purposely just didn't want, like, it didn't matter if you thought they were pretty or not. You just purposely were like, yeah, no, their color of their skin is not right for me, so I'm not even going to get to know them type of thing. And I mean, in all honesty, if we were out in the real world, he would never speak to me because he would see the color of my skin.

And he would be like, yeah, no, not interested. You would never speak to him. Like, literally, I mean, you should have been like, I've never dated somebody so unattractive before. So color-wise, you're not. I'm sorry. I hate that man. You have something on me? Bring it up.

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So is this like, is this like an alter ego? Like. Yeah. I think, yeah, I think he does have a couple. But I think it probably is. Okay. For sure. So this work trip that he took that wasn't a work trip was a concert trip with your friends.

Yeah, can you tell us about this concert that involved what Ashley and Bree. And Priy. Yeah. So basically, like, we were still together for three weeks after filming. And by the end of, like, week two, I'm like, something just feels very off. He had had zero plans to see me. And I'm like, okay, so it just feels like you finished filming and you did. out like now everything's kind of coming to light and I called I texted him I said I feel like

you're not in this anymore if that's the case can you just let me know so we know how to move forward he calls me he's like no I want to be in this relationship blah blah blah and then he says I have to go in a work trip in a few days I'm going to be gone for a week and then you know but of course he called you he didn't text you that so no evidence right like I know how these men work right we'll make plans after. So he tells me that, you know, he wants to still continue this relationship. Three days later, he's going to Michigan for a work trip. Well, then Wednesday, all the sudden, he's like, I'm just at a breaking point. I don't know what to do. And then like doesn't talk to me for five days. And I'm like, okay, three days ago, you just said, like, I want to be in this relationship.

Come to find out, he goes to Texas, not Michigan. He's going. He's going. going on this trip for a concert. And I've spoken to Ashley. Ashley and I are perfectly fine. I think Ashley is great. She's the only one that had a full conversation with me telling me all of this stuff. So, like, I have no issue with Ashley at all. But basically, she said, you know, nothing happened.

It was very awkward or was very weird. But then the following week, and they were like, he literally, was like with us and then just disappeared. So I found Amber told me a few months later. Yeah. Like I didn't know. Yeah, he came back to next week and then told me basically, you know, I can't even show up but myself, let alone show up for you. But like I don't know what the future holds for us and blah, blah, blah. Wait, he said he couldn't, he said that? Yeah. Like a week after. I can't show up for you. I can't show up for myself or such a cop-out. out that he was just in Texas with three of your friends. Correct. Okay.

Correct. Okay. So I was like, okay, pretty sure he just ended our engagement but didn't actually like say the words. So I texted him a few days later. I'm like, just to clarify, like, that was you ending our relationship, right? Because he's saying stuff like, you know, I'm not disappearing. We don't know what the future holds, blah, blah, blah, blah, all these things.

And I'm like, that was a very like, I'm breaking up with you, but I'm not going to say the words type of thing. So I texted him and asked, like, I want to clarify what was that conversation. And he said, yes, that was me ending our engagement. I'm so sorry, blah, blah, blah, blah, all the things, you know. He said the same text that he sent to Taylor, that nice little chat, GBT, I got that one too. So he must just have it like in his notes app ready to send out to the girlies. Copied and pasted.

Copied and pasted. Also, I wanted to defend you too, because from the outside looking in, people are probably like, well, how did you not know? How would she leave? When people are manipulating you like that, again, been in that situation, you are like holding on to your seat. Obviously, he was trying to make her feel insecure about her looks and her beauty to try to like chip away at, you know, try to get her hook to him. It's, again, a very manipulative tactic. And you really do, even though people are like, why couldn't you walk away in this moment? You're like almost trauma bonded with this person at that point. I mean, I, listen, I think, well, you guys have probably already realized this or you'll come

to realize that. Fans of reality TV, we watch reality TV because it's just a mirror about our own dating lives. And it's just a lot easier to watch you and watch you, Brittany, and yell at the TV and go, why aren't you smart enough to not see this? Right. Now, in life, we don't have the ability to watch ourselves back, you know, and things like that. But for anyone who's ever, you know, been in a relationship where you really like someone, you know, if it's really hard to see because we're focused, you know, many of us are just like, what do I have to do?

I got to do my part. And when you're thinking about your part, you're thinking about how do I show up for my partner? And so when you meet someone like you women both did, and you're both trying to focus on what you can do and how you show up. And you're focused about doing 100% of your half. You're assuming that your partner is going to do 100% of theirs.

And the difficult part in these relations, is when they don't. There is that weird period where we realize that we were doing some of theirs, but it's hard to see in real time because we're just, you're fighting for the relationship. Exactly. You have this, you know, a picture in your head of how you think it's going to go. And people like that, they will. Jordan did that to me too, like kind of dangle it.

Like, oh, I'm sorry. I'm just not good at relationships. I haven't been in a relationship in nine years. You know, excuse, excuse. And then you're like, okay, I'm going to be more understanding. I'm going to be more understanding. The same thing like with what Brittany did. We're going to be patient.

patient, you know, will be these good women that are trying to make this work and try to not be like this toxic person. Sometimes it can come out with me a little bit harder than most people. So he never, like, told you why he lied about this work trip. Like, did he ever come clean about, because it didn't even seem like he did that at the reunion. No. No. He really didn't at the reunion. He was just basically like, I just wanted to go to a concert and, like, like, I just wanted to go to a concert. Like, I lied to them.

Like, I lied to all the girls. But, like, no, I have my theories on why I think he actually went out there. What are your theories? I think that he had interest in who was more his type. That's what I'll say on that. And wanted to maybe see if there could potentially be something there. From your cast? Correct.

Somebody he had dated in the pods for a while. So I think that that was the motivating factor of why he changed. chose to go out there. Who do you date in the pods? Was it Ashley? Okay. Maybe. And you and Ashley have had several conversations, like you said, y'all are good.

Yeah. There's no. Ashley and I are perfectly fine. I think Ashley's beautiful. I think she's stunning. She's amazing. I literally told her in the pods. I said, if nobody marries you, I will marry you.

Like, I think Ashley's, like, I fault him not one bit for thinking, like, maybe, maybe there could be something with this person that's more my type. because she is phenomenal. But, I mean, just end one engagement before you try to do something next, you know. Right. Priyanka said several times that you guys were not close. Was there a falling out that happened? Did you girls just, like, not click in the pods?

Yeah. You just... We just never really clicked in the pods. I've got no beef with her or anything. I think there's just some people that you click more naturally with. for her and I, we just didn't. We just didn't connect like that. Okay.

I do find it interesting. Obviously, both of you saw the conversation that Chris had with Ashley Brees and Priy and Priyanka about Jess, her body, that relationship. That was wild. Wild. I do find it interesting that it is those same three ladies who went to this concert with your fiancé and didn't think to, like, text you. and be like, please come with Devante.

Yeah, or even if he's telling you, like, that we're not together, I was told that they felt like he was lying the whole time. Like, he's saying, don't post any pictures of me while I'm here, like, blah, blah, blah. So it's like he's giving all of these signs that he's clearly not telling the truth. But nobody decided to say anything to me. Text you, yeah. Until after the fact that I learned about it. So they went to a concert and didn't post anything.

They posted things with the girls, but nothing with him. With him. And he just, like, loves Rufus D'Soul so much. He, like, needed to be on their flight with them and needed to, like, go with them to this. He couldn't, like, go get a hotel and go by himself or get his own friends to go with. Sounds off. Or why, yeah, why were none of the other guys invited once it wasn't a girl's trip anymore? That part.

To your knowledge, how many women has he dated since you guys broke out? What I am aware of are just the, I think, three. I think there's three that I know of. I think somebody also said that he was dating somebody else while he was on the show with me, which would kind of make sense because he disappeared three times while we were filming. So I'm sure there probably was somebody else. How shocked were you to hear that he is expecting a child and is engaged? So the child thing, that was more shocking for the fact that you have had at least three major relationships in less than a year.

The engagement, I'm still suspicious on if that is actually factual. Or if that was just to end the moment, I'm going to blurt this out to make it seem like. this sounds better type of thing. Yeah. He's like, I'll probably ask by the time this air. He's like, you know what? Thanks for the idea. Right.

I'm curious with, you know, you women seem lovely to get to know. And also, you know, I really love how, you know, obviously you have dynamic personalities. But like, and I said this as a compliment, you both seem like normal people who have reasonable expectations when it comes to the dating relationship. And quite honestly, it seems like a lot of the women, well, you know, maybe imperfect, have reasonable expectations when it comes to dating and relationships. And this season, when it comes to the men on this season, it's like, Nick, do you see what we're working with?

But I'm curious is like, is that? Is this like only crazy men show up and love is blind in Ohio? Or is this what it's like out there in the wild? I'm used to dating duches like who show up and like love mom and whatever. Like I can tell that shit by now at this point. But that has happened so many times. Although I think there was a lot of insecurities with the guys because, and that's part of what I've realized is like some men have this ego. All of us women were, you know, really attractive, had great jobs, were pretty stable. And, you know, the ones that felt insecure about that, like Chris, that really shows up to where they can't. They're used to trying to control and manipulate people. You know, Chris knew he wasn't going to be able to manipulate this wonderful doctor into doing the same things that, you know, Devante was trying to. to do with Brit. That's like all those men's gain is. Yeah. You know, it's their whole thing.

They don't want to love. Um, they want to control. So once they realize they can't do that, then they start to make an excuse of to why you're not adequate enough. And, you know, again, had that happen to be several times. And you just kind of starts to click in your head. What did you think of Chris's apology to Connor and Jess? Bullshit. Like, sorry, dude, you are a snake. Like you literally, we're talking to Connor outside this bench as you're about to like hit on his girl. You're in the bathroom like laughing it up with somebody. I think it was actually Jordan. Oops. You know, about how, oh, I can get caught like blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, oh yeah, you would have never apologized to these people had they not found out what you did. You just go

and live about your life. There is a like women in Columbus. Are we dating the same guy profile? I have seen him on there multiple times since, like, watch out for this man. He keeps saying he's on love is blind and blah, blah, blah. And he's turning date. Like, I have screenshots of like the amount of women since then that he tried to. So this was not like a learning experience for him until it got blasted on the internet. I think that's the thing is why didn't he apologize until then? Like, that is odd. Yeah. You've had so much time to apologize. And because he didn't give a shit until like it's aired. Like, that's the thing is like you can apologize to them outside of the show and then re-apologize on camera.

Like, just be an adult about it. You messed up. You said a lot of horrible things. And if you truly meant your apology, you would have made sure you took care of it long before the reunion. And, you know, it's pretty typical that guys like Chris, I mean, or Alex, and specifically Chris, I think he already has blamed the edit, so to speak. How do you blame an edit on that?

Like, I'm sorry, there's a couple things. Like, for example, Jordan and I's fight, that edit was like completely skewed a little bit. It's actually not why I walked out of the bar that night. I actually heard him say something off camera that was very, very, very off-putting to me at that time. So he was actually talking to Vic and he said, I don't think they're going to make us go through with it because she has a kid. And that was the first time I felt that vibe that he didn't want to do this. And that that's why I was like so shocked. That also suggests that he's like, we didn't mean make them do it. Like, it's your choice, first of all.

Do you want to get married or do you not want to get married? Like, yes, you are involved in this very weird social experiment. But ultimately, everything you're talking about Jordan suggests that, like, he just, his expectations weren't to be a husband if he got married, which sounds bizarre when you think about it. Is as if like, well, I'm going to get, it's like he acted like he was going to get married on TV. Yeah. But not in real life. And then it would just be done after that.

Yeah. Like, he was filming a movie. Like, he's an actor. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Because I don't know how you put your wife who's been drinking, whether she got drunk on her own, whether that's her fault or not, to just be alone in a car while you go back and party. You don't even do that to a dog. Right.

At least open a window. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, did he crack a window? Did he leave the car running? I mean, was it hot outside? Are you okay? How do you not like, you know, like how do you not go out of your way? to live with your wife, if that's how you guys...

It's so bizarre to be because on the day of our fight, he tells the camera that I ghosted him for 24 hours. That's not true. Actually, the text on my phone, he texted me at 8 o'clock in the morning, that morning said, hey, we should talk. And I text him back. I'm like, yeah, you know, let's think about things. I actually called him on my lunch break at work that day of the calls.

Again, share screenshots with people. So when I saw that on camera, like that he lied about that. That was very shocking to me and like how to try to victimize himself in that moment. Again, I don't think Jordan's a terrible person. I think Jordan is insecure and I think that he was scared of like looking bad in general because he mentioned that. Him and I were on the same page. I was like, so after we had that fight, he was like, no, I love you.

I am into this. I was just scared, you know, about the whole Emma situation. We talked it over and I said, you know, I'm okay. If you don't want to go through with it, that's fine. It's a yes for me because I think you're such a good person. You know, we're on the same page of that, though, totally expected him to say no. I was absolutely beyond myself thrilled when he did say yes. I think there was a group chat between the girls and I when after that fighting moment,

I'm like, Jordan doesn't actually want to do this. I'm heartbroken. You know, they all kind of like lifted me up and they're like, you know, it's probably because of the Emma situation, whatever. Like after the wedding day, I was like literally so thrilled. I'm like, Jordan said, yes, everybody's like, congratulations. I couldn't believe it. I thought he did have this like come to Jesus moment where he just loved me that much. But in reality, like kind of looking back, he had mentioned before he's like, they make the guys look like assholes if they say no, blah, blah, blah. And as far as like my daughter being there and him feeling bad about not saying no in front of my daughter, first of all, he knew my daughter was going to be there as a flower girl. Like we talked about that. And he literally obviously didn't really give a shit what Emma thought because he didn't even say bye to her in reality. So like on TV, that's fine. But, No, it wasn't because Emma was there and he couldn't say no because of my daughter being there.

I really think he didn't want to look like an asshole and then kind of for a hot second, thought maybe I could do this and then tried to think of every excuse on the planet to like back out of it. Are Jordan and Chris still friends? Do you know if they still hang out or after he caught him like recording? He was like, I don't fuck this guy anymore. Well, he still likes his stuff on Instagram and he dapped him up at the reunion. It was like, hey, buddy. you know so i don't know if they're like as close as they were which again is another like looking

back at it um was another off-putting thing because even when i'm like addressing the chris situation like i will you know i have no problem calling people out to their face when i don't like them i'm not going to be fake around you so when jordan's like no no no what i kind of came to realize especially like after the whole wedding situation his whole vibe was like you embarrassed me in front of my friends blah blah and i'm like you can't embarrass me in front of my friends i'm so close with them that I don't like, it would be something we laugh about. Like, I don't look at their judgment like that. So what I kind of gathered from the Chris situation and from that situation,

he's always going to value the opinions of his male friends over like whoever he's with. You know what I mean? Well, there's a moment for the bachelor and bachelor party. For Love is Blind. It's always this kind of scene every season where it's like they do it for you guys because it's part of the process, but it's clearly like empty and it looks really boring. like not that fun. I don't know.

But there is no offense to production. I'm not trying to talk shit. My only point of bringing it up was like there, I'm sure you remember. But Jordan was like, I'm having the best time of my life. And they're like with the boys. They're at an arcade.

It looks like there's like three, four dudes there. And he's just like truly, I've never seen this man happier. I know. And in this moment where he's like drinking beers, playing video games, hanging out with three other dudes like late at night.

That's what he wants his life to be. be and that's fine. Just don't get married and don't tell us somebody. Don't enter a kid with like a wife. You know, and looking back at it too, I think that he probably thought that I was kind of like the option, kind of the shoe in there. He did have another connection in the pods that dumped him and I didn't know this at the time. And then it was like, I was the only one that was talking to him. So I'm not sure if that played a part onto that. So then when we got back to Columbus, she was actually in his DMs being like, oh my God, I really want clarity. Like, I want to work it out. Blah, blah, blah. And I kind of felt him, like, he showed me the messages and everything. And he was kind of like shaking in his shoes.

He still was like asking her like, how it was work. Like, it was kind of a weird thing. And then he kind of like shut it down. But I was, I kind of felt very off about it and insecure in that moment because it didn't seem, it seemed like he really was happy that she reached out. And like he showed you. But then he continued the conversation. Yeah, and then he shut it down towards the end, but it was kind of like, it was just a weird, weird thing. And then moments later, like, we had a conversation off camera and I was like, here's all the dudes that are DMing me right now

that I don't reply to. You know, I'm like, you know, you get used, as a woman, you get used to that attention. She's like, well, I'm not used to that attention. I've never gotten that before. So it was almost kind of like this heightened thing. And I think that that played a huge role in him leaving too. He's like, oh, my God, I'm going to all that.

this attention from like all these women now that I'm like on this TV show and it looked like such a big teddy bear blah blah and just again just the way he responded in that moment so right after we separated and he's on Instagram like liking this girl's bikini picks and everything like that was so hurtful like it was just um wow I totally kind of like like I said I got that vibe like I don't think Nick Lachay thought Ohio was going to represent men in a positive way and we thought we were too with all the engagements that we had and then, man, it just went downhill.

You late, I mean, it seems like a great group of women. Truly. Yeah, we're awesome. Really. Usually is. But honestly, that's why I was like so willing to do something like this because you see the dating pool that we're working with.

So I'm like, okay, at least the people that are going on this should be more marriage-minded. I've seen a better chance of finding a genuine person. And, you know, that just, There are a few guys on the cast that are really, really great quality men. And I feel like you get to see that throughout the show, who those people are. So it's not like they're all bad. We just happen.

I just got one that was definitely not who he thinks he is. I mean, I'm curious, Amber, you know, hearing you mention the things that Jordan said, whether it was being aware or having the idea that the men look bad if they break up at the altar. Do you think, as silly as it sounds, because you guys literally got married and that's not that easy to get out of? But do you think that he, looking back now, move forward with the I do because he thought he could control his edit or the breakup in a way that he wouldn't be seen on camera? Yeah, absolutely. like in this moment, you know, he obviously didn't love me because you don't leave somebody three months after a marriage that you love. You try to work it out. Like you do do the things,

even if you have those, you know, iconic fights. Like, and again, they weren't even that, like, iconic. And you just do whatever you can. You don't just back off. And you also want to be around that person so much more than he wanted to be around me. So, you know, again, I think it was more of like an egotistical thing because you wouldn't, A, you wouldn't leave your wife then. You wouldn't be able emotionally to get in another relationship that quick. I know people talk about rebounds, everything like that. Like, no, I don't think this was necessarily a rebound. He talks about how happy he is, you know, emotionally for me, I couldn't even look at a man for like four months prior to that. I haven't been dating, you know, it's not in my wheelhouse. I had to

heal from this completely. Like when you truly love somebody, you can't. just jump into it to it with somebody else and be happy within that like short of a time frame. I mean, all I need to know is he left you in a car by yourself. I can't get past that. I know. And in my mind, so then the next day, and this is what pisses me off, he tries to manipulate it because I, he's like, you should have apologized, blah, blah. And I was like, I'm very hurt that you like left me in a car and did these things. And he, that's when he started to spin it around. Like, no, you tried to do this and that. And you like tried to scream at me in front of

my friends, which again, I don't know how much of that is accurate. The man was also very tipsy. And, you know, it's just a very odd thing. But he immediately spun it around. He never apologized for leaving me in a car. It was all, like, it was all me apologizing. And I'm like, okay, I had like, called one of my best friends directly after. And I'm like, anybody else, I would have fucking left this dude right now. But she's like, no, you're married now. These are things like, you work on. And you kind of look past. So that's what I did with a lot of these moments. And again, looking back, it was likely stupid because he was giving me all the signs.

But, you know, you truly think like that wedding day, it was literally, I didn't even believe he said yes. That's why my face was kind of like, wait, what did you actually say? And then when he did, I was, it was like the best feeling in my entire life. Like, it was a fairy tale moment. No. And that's what I kept looking back on. I mean, she texted us all of us girls and was like, he said yes. And we were all screaming because we were expecting.

And no, so we were so excited and happy. You know, I thought he had this come to Jesus moment. And, you know, in my head, that is all I could think about the next few months. Like, no, this person clearly loved me enough to get married. They clearly did this. But then again, looking back and he's like just deflecting the whole reunion, trying to shift the blame, shift the blame on different moments. It's like, no, you're, you can't even admit what's going on.

So what does divorce look like in the love is blind world? How are you guys moving forward with the separation? So really actually kind of funny. I was kind of waiting on him to do everything because in that moment I was like, he can deal with it. He's the one that wants to get a divorce. I don't have time to even look for a lawyer or anything. I didn't really hear from him until around that. I actually didn't hear from him.

Marie from production called me and she's like, hey, Amber, just trying to check in. Jordan's been in contact with us about the divorce process and is wondering. and this is what could happen, like, kind of being a mediator. And I was like, he can, like, they give you money for it. Obviously, they reimburse you. I was like, he can literally look for it, do everything. I'll just sign the paperwork whenever he gets it ready. So he did send me over all this paperwork that I haven't signed yet because it's,

it looks a little fishy. Like, they wanted my bank account information and like all this on like an annulment. And I was like, wait a second. I just want other people to like really look into the. And so you've been really, really pushy for me to just get it done and sign it, which is totally fine. But it also makes you list like all of your assets, like you're, I have a retirement, like all this shit that I haven't had time to like completely look up and put down on paper. I just want to make sure it's accurate as well. And I don't think he understands because he doesn't have any of that shit.

Like it's really easy when you don't when you just have a little bit of credit card debt to put that on there. Did you sign a pre-up? No. Is that a fear of yours that he could take? It is. He's assured me that that's not it. He just keeps saying like, no, I'm not going to take it like, no, no, no, no. So I am just carefully looking over this paperwork just to make sure.

He's like, I just don't want to be like legally married you forever, blah, blah, well, it's like basically when he's telling me like, oh my God, I would never want my name. My name associated with you, Amber. What? I don't know. I don't know what the vibe is there, but. Brittany, besides the one moment we saw on camera of Alex hitting on you, did he ever shoot his shot at you again? No, Alex has never. And that's what was so weird about that moment because Alex and I didn't even date for the full 10 minutes day one.

So I was like, this is kind of coming out of left field. Yeah. And I get what you're saying, what you're trying to tell me, but you're also telling me, you know, you find me attractive without saying the words. But yeah, that was the only time that he ever mentioned anything like that. We didn't really get to see the relationship. Was there anything we missed as a viewer when you and Devante broke up on the show that we didn't get to see? Well, that's the thing is, like, to me, it wasn't a breakup. But so basically how it happened is Devante had done, like, his two days before the wedding,

we talked and said that we weren't getting married. He told me he wasn't ready. I said I was more ready than he was, but I was also relieved because I'm like, I feel like if we get married, it's going to be a leap of faith. And then we have a lot of work that we have to do in order to get to like a good marriage. So I was actually fine not getting married that day. And I told him if our answer is not yes, I'm not having a wedding because I just don't feel like somebody should see me as a bride if I'm not actually their bride. So that's why we just had the conversation at home. But he had done his exit interview first.

And then we did our part. And then I did my exit interview. And then talked on the phone for an hour after that on his way home to Cleveland. So like to me, I was like, we're still together. It wasn't a breakup because he was telling me the goal is marriage. So from my perspective, like, yeah, I'm calling my fiancé right after because I literally say, you know, what do you want to do? and because at that point we had been talking with Bree and Connor to kind of figure out, you know, what, and they said, you know, they were just going to continue dating. So I said, you know, do you want to be done? Do you want to continue dating? What is the plan here? And he said the goal is marriage. So from my perspective, that's where I was coming from. Yeah, he really was leading you on. What are you going to do with that dress?

My wedding dress? Yeah. Oh, that's still my wedding dress. like it will be perfect like a glove. Love. Perfectly preserved. For both you ladies, I mean, again, it seems like looking at the men, I've said watching this show, I'm passing up by the show, but love is not blind for me. I know that. You know, I ain't, you know, I ain't showing up for that thing because I know me.

You look at Chris and you look at Alex, you know, or Devante. As we got to know them throughout the season or even Jordan a little bit, I think Jordan's, I give Jordan a little bit more grace because it seems like some of his biggest mistakes might just be naïveness or immaturity. Yeah. I don't think he's a bad guy. He's got a big heart, but maybe just a lot of growing up to do. Yeah. At the age of 35. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's his journey. But nevertheless. Yeah. Not my problem. It's hers. But like, you know, when Alex was talking about as soon as he realized that Ashley was blonde, it's just like, well, then why you show up for love is blonde.

Right. Like, that was so wild to be. She's beautiful. Or Chris, and it's just like, fine. You guys have these very specific things, and I guess, let's give you that pass. But if your taste is so specific. Don't come on love. This is the show for you. Why are you going on this show?

You know, it makes no sense. I also think it was just an out for them, too. Sure. Like, it was just like, oh, okay, I'm not physically attracted to this beautiful woman. Like, it doesn't matter. Also, people can dye their hair. Like, Ashley's been a brunette before. It's like, that could have easily been worked out.

She's a gorgeous woman. And that's just a fucking out. That's good point. And Chris's was completely an out. Jess has a beautiful body. Again, she's a doctor. It's like, Chris, I don't think you're, how many ballerinas do you date? Like, I'm sorry.

I would stomp you. And Chris was, like, absolutely insanely crazy about Jess in Cobbo. So wild. Couldn't keep his hands off of her. So it was just a 180. She is. Yeah. And just, like, from what you've gotten to know about him, like, if you had to guess,

what do you think his? overall motives were on this whole show. I mean, I think that he actually really was looking for a partner because he was crazy. Unless he's just a phenomenal actor, he was insanely crazy about Jess. And then I think when he came home and life actually started happening and he sees that she is like eons ahead of him in life. It made him feel very small. And he just tried to find a way to be like, yeah, well, this is a problem with you when

there's literally nothing wrong with Jess at all. She's perfect. And he disappeared for like 48 hours. He was obviously out drinking in Grandview. Everybody can confirm that. And it's like he got back. I think he's more of a party boy than he played out to be. It's like a fucking Monday night, dude.

I don't think, I think he lost his job though as soon as he got back because he actually didn't have two weeks off of vacation. So he lied to his boss too. Yeah. Yeah. And so I guess you do have a Monday night off. I couldn't like just go out and party all night on Monday. But I think he got back into that.

He clearly loves to like. like, you know, just be that guy, that sleazy guy. And some guys think they want out of that life. They're like, oh, yeah, I wanted you. But they're so addicted to that lifestyle, right? They're so addicted to dating, like, multiple women getting multiple, like, all that attention, especially if they have small egos. Like, they can't. They always need their ego pumped up. They always need to be out, like, with the boys, like, like, drinking, doing all this stuff. So it's very hard for men like that. I realize to, like, settle back down in, and I always, which is funny, because I said after I broke up with my ex of three years, I was like, I'm never dating a bar rat again. And what? I'm married to bar rat. So, you know,

but again, it's these guys that are, and they always say like, I just haven't found the right one. I just haven't found the right one. Blah, blah, blah. I haven't found somebody to settle me down. It's like, no, you haven't done work on yourself to like stop doing the toxic things that you do. You have to be in that mindset. It's not that you haven't found the right person. You haven't worked on yourself. And I know that from experience, too, because I used to be like that. I actually used to be a bar rat prior to having a kid. Like, I love going out. I would talk to multiple men. Like, I was gross. Not gross, but like, you know, in your early 20s, you're just doing the whole thing. And then having fun. I've had, it wasn't even like necessarily, Emma, that obviously settled me down.

But prior, I had this, like, realization moment. Like, no, this isn't good. This is like actually working on different dopamine levels when you go out all the time have all that fun your dopamine sinks you know you're in this almost like depressive state so you go out and you do it again you know you get around the people that are making you laugh you do everything and it's just not like a stable lifestyle to live in don't get me wrong i'll go out every once in a while um and do that but if you're consistently doing that that's not giving you stability so what i found after i worked on myself for a while um i didn't date anybody for two years after having Emma and I just focused on like getting a routine and settling and running working out every day like just really being in that and then you know having my glass of wine

every now and again at night different things like that but not going like balls to the walls and it was hard it was boring at first like you know I do my do it yourself projects like life got very boring but I could never ever go back to like the toxic lifestyle I lived before just with those ups and downs and ups and downs that's such an emotional. roller coaster and some people can unfortunately not get out of that pit, especially if they are doing it, you know, ages 35, 36, like my ex was 40 when he was still doing it. And those are the type of men. You always see those like nasty like 70 year olds sitting at the end of the bar that are like still drinking on a Monday and you're like, you know, like they're kind of like or those like people,

if you walk into the casino, they're like, oh, and they're like sitting there like starry out like glued to the casino. It's like some men don't change. That's. just how they're going to live. Yeah. And you can't work on that. You cannot blame yourself as a woman that you weren't good enough to make them change. That's a bullshit narrative. Like, no, they just, no one's really going to be good enough.

They are going to either have to have that realization moment on their own to, like, be a better person and a stand-up individual, and then they will, you know, be better for a person or they're going to find somebody who will tolerate their bullshit. Yeah. Your age was a topic of discussion. I know. The dickheads? You handled it with such grace.

I, you know, getting to know you, you're a ball of fun. And I really love how you stand up for yourself and you do it with such a great spirit. But I am curious when that all went down. Yeah. I was like, y'all are dicks. I will say, so prior to coming on the show, it was about two months prior. My grandma died, not to be of Duvante. I didn't use that to, like, you know, treat people like shit.

But my grandmother died, which was really hard. And my uncle died the same month. and I was very close to both of them. So I actually had a really huge rise in like cortisol levels. I wasn't sleeping good at night. Like I was crying a lot. Like my skin was not taken care of at that time. And you can really see it in the show. I generally like and I don't look the best now because again, I've had six months of like more just not great sleep. You look amazing. They're beautiful. But that really did show I think also due to those like high cortisol levels, I actually was overproducing antigenes, which was causing these like sebaceous like sweat glands like in my face. I actually had to get an androgen

blocker after the show. I didn't realize this was happening. And so it was like kind of like these tiny cysts that were actually the girls know all about it. Poor Brittany had to see me at my worst. And it was just a really terrible time period. I was on seven antibiotics after the show for this. Ended up losing like 15 pounds because I was throwing up a lot with these antibiotics. So it was actually an underlying medical condition that's super complicated that I don't need to get into. But yeah. But also, everyone can fuck off. Yeah. Everyone can't.

And that's what I'm like, I'm not going to type this up on like every comment. Like, fucking eat shit. No. And all the women, it's so funny to be too realizing all these women. They're like, no way. She's, I'm 43 and I look better than her. I'm like, do you want me to mail you a fucking cookie? Like, I don't care about you, Susan from Arkansas.

But also like your profile picture is Chris's profile picture. Like it's not you. You know? Yeah, exactly. Like these women who are coming for you. It's like you. We have private profiles. I'm like imagine having a private.

profile and just talking shit with your fingers. What did? No, it's crazy. Right, with there's zero followers and zero like following. Well, there's this new show on Netflix called Age of Attraction where age is a, you don't know people's ages. Would you ever go on that? Are you recruiting Amber?

No more reality shows. No more reality shows. What did you think of Chris's profile picture on Instagram? Did you, were you all as just a shock? I said, who the heck is that? I literally took a screenshot and I sent it to Jess and I said, who is this? I know. Because everyone's like

To move. How tall is he? His height was discussed. Is he like short? Very short. Like I don't know exactly, but I like towered over him. I know I'm pretty tall. But I thought they were a cute couple because they were both kind of short and whatever.

But it's like you're looking at two tiny people. He actually to me now looks like just a little lawn gnome. I'll say this. Jess is five foot. We're both five foot and Chris is not that much taller than us. Uh-oh. And I could use him as this. So, and I almost did.

When I said I was going to kick him the teeth, I actually was like, I can get my foot up to his teeth and just kick him right there. Any final thoughts from you ladies before we let you go? I think just, you know, giving us, giving every one of the women grace on the show because when you're in that moment, you're hyped up to believe that this is your person and women do this all the time. We get it. We're like, oh, this man finally wants to settle down. This is like the dream, right? That's what we're supposed to do. You get talk shit about if you're not married and have kids by the time you're 40.

You get talk shit about if you're a single mom and you don't introduce the kid to your significant other three years. But then you do get, you know, people are like, oh, you're a, like, so many people are like, you're a terrible mother. And I'm like, I'm a fucking great mom. Actually, my daughter and I have such an amazing connection. And we are so close emotionally. And I have never even had to yell at her because she just, we have that fluency, I guess. just is very respectful of me. I'm respectful of her. You know, we take each other into consideration and everything. And so stuff like that, it's like it's so easy for people to judge and overlook that.

But give the women some grace. I don't hear, and I guess I hear a lot of shit about Chris and Alex, but I don't know. It's just kind of funny to be. And it's funny to me. Everybody's talking shit about how I look and no offense to Jordan, but like no one, they're like, oh, he's a big teddy bear. Looks older than me. I needed to ask you about the silhouette. The show has been around. We have 10 seasons, and you're the first person in Love is Blind History to kind of understand the assignment. What made you pose the way you did before the reveal?

So I'm not going to lie. I actually didn't watch the show prior to coming on. I just got to, like, I don't watch reality TV. So when I got up there, production was like, oh, go have fun, blah, blah. So I didn't. I actually looked back at production, like, as a joke of, like, what I was doing. which didn't really, you know, come off that way for sure, but. So you were fucking around.

Yeah. Okay. It was iconic. It was great. Everybody knows I just always fuck around. It was iconic. Brittany, any final thoughts from you? Yeah, I think kind of just to reflect on what you said is, you know, it's really easy to watch somebody on TV and not put yourself in their shoes.

Like, if you had a camera following, you would cringe at some of the things you did, too. And I think people just need to remember that, you know, we're all human. you get to see the good and the bad, and we just need to give some grace to people. That being said, do you think overall Devante is, you know, I think we've said this a few times. We don't think Jordan's a bad guy. If you had, do you think Devante is more bad guy

or not there yet guy? He's very far from being their guy. Very far. He could be a good guy. guy if he really tried to be the person he describes himself to be. I mean, the ability for him to lie the way he did with such ease into the people who he lied to has to be a reflection of just how much he is dishonest. Because like that is such a sloppy lie.

To me, that's a very telling lie. Yeah. And I really hope for his future child and his baby mom that he chooses to be better because it's not fair to them for him to continue behaving the way that he's behaving. And that's another hard habit. Sorry, I know we're wrapping up. That's another hard habit for people to get out of, like, people that are chronic liars. They, it's a whole psychological aspect. If they keep doing it, it literally gets wired in their brain where they can tell you that wall is orange and they start to believe that wall is orange. You know what I mean? And that that is

another bad, it's almost like smoking. It's a bad habit. It's an addiction that people get. Well, you ladies were wonderful on this season. And we really appreciate getting to know you both on the season and today. And we're very sorry that these journeys didn't work out for you both, but you both seem like a breath of fresh air. You both seem like wonderful people. And we're wishing you both nothing but the best when it comes to your pursuit of love and happiness out in the real world. And we certainly hope that you both get what you deserve, which are wonderful, meaningful relationships with hopefully some decent men. And I like to think that they're out there, maybe just not in Ohio.

right thank you guys for listening we'll see you back on monday bye bye