The Viall Files - E1115 - Jeremiah and Iris Talk Beyond The Villa, West's Fake Apology, Jesse Soloman on WWHL & Nick's Thumbs

Episode Date: April 23, 2026

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What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files, reality recap edition. I'm your host, Nick, and I am with my wife, ish. She is at our different location. She's in a different room. I miss you.

Is it hard for you? I'm just not sure how we articulate this. I sound like West now. You're a secondary location. Now is in our satellite studio, and I'm here in Los Angeles. this by myself. Excuse you.

By yourself. Yeah, that felt really good to you. Are we humans? Am I here? They want to be seen. Yeah, yeah. You want to be. Can you see me?

Emotionally like Sierra. Can you see me? I can see me. Okay, just making sure. Yeah, I see you. Sierra Robinson is back. Joining us in studio and Mary is also here.

Yeah, I am. And if you haven't seen it already, here is a trailer for both part one and part two of the Temptation Island reunion. Coming up on the two-part reunion for Temptation Island season two. I'm good, I'm good, let it out. I don't count that, because I cheated on her.

Oh. I just wanted to chat. You didn't sound like a chat, shy answer. I just wanted to chat. Alcohol is honestly what fucking killed me. That's not who you are, and we all know that that's not who you are. But what are these little lies? I'm thinking of one right now, which one are you thinking of?

He told me if we don't go on the show, I'll think about it for the rest of my life. This is my first real actual girlfriend. Nick got a DM from, oh my God. I see him and I love him. It was just like a bad cycle and it needed to be broken, but it was breaking me. I know he loves me wholeheartedly without a doubt.

Is there any part of you that has just a little bit of hope? The main takeaway for us is, I feel way more secure now and that's what's made everything so much better for us. So what were your intention? What did you want to say? What the fuck is wrong with you? You can't speak to women like you would a guy.

I let the manipulation get to me. I let people's words get to me. Why did you get so drunk? I hated it there. Looks bad when you see Cheyenne getting fucked. Can we stop? We were together and then broke up and- No, wait, wait, wait.

As a man, my ego is like a little shot. I'm like, they didn't put this scene. I pushed a hole in a wall. You're good. No, it's not that I'm good. I'm speaking the fucking truth. Well, like we said, lots of dramas. You do not miss it.

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So be sure to check that out. Just go to VialFiles.com to sign up and you'll be glad that you did. Lots to dive into very diabolical episode of Summer House last night. It almost feels like... Guys, it wasn't that deep.

I didn't feel like. Are you joking? Like Andy, Andy posted being like, guys watch this with one eye open. I don't know we needed one eye open. It was this more... Totally. It was just mouth at gate. Heavy.

It was just, yeah, like the Amanda Sierra pep talk in the beginning, the talk with West at the end. And then it's like, and y'all still? This is crazy. I guess just the Amanda like getting like cock blocking West and sitting on the daybed and him rubbing her head and then her at, like that felt like that. at. Like, that felt work. Like, that was, like, more jaw-dropping to me. Because you know the intimacy. Amanda, this whole time has been, like, there for Sierra.

I'm not shocked that she's there for Sierra. Like, she's been doing that. Like, the conversation between Sierra and West, like, was definitely interesting to hear, you know, and was sad to see Sierra, like, crying, being like, I just want my best friend back and then, like, hugging and then... Okay, well, not... What? Okay.

We will get all into it. Of course. Of course. Yes, it's passion. There's a lot of passion here. We also have maybe some new news when it comes to the world of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and Taylor Frankie Paul and possibly The Bachelorette. On the heels of the recent court decisions last week about no further charges being pressed, it's not too surprising that there's talk about things moving forward. And it seemed like a lot of people producing these shows are really kind of.

waiting for this potential court date. I don't, it seems still unclear. There are rumors that Secret Lives and Mormon Wise is going to pick up filming and finish filming season five. The suggestion was implying that they were going to do it without Dakota and Taylor Frankie Paul. But Taylor is up in the comments suggesting that might not be the case. So, um, I don't know if any of these, I mean, she is replying to like bloggers.

Well, there was a people article. A people article? Yeah, it was People magazine posted. The Secret Life. of Mormon wives to resume season five production without Taylor Frankie Paul and Dakota Mortensen and then Taylor replied on Instagram saying interesting that's not the call I got and a blog had posted Secret Lives and Mormon Wives the same thing and she said not what I was told. Who did people source like did they say like did they reference an insider? Let me double check

or is people like reporting on like on the blogs because it used to be like you know they would need have some kind of source. Sometimes lately the tabloids are like, the people on Reddit are talking about this. A friend of a source of a friend of a source. Wait, now there's an article from 49 minutes ago that says Taylor Frankie Paul chose not to resume filming Mormon

wives following domestic abuse investigations exclusive source. Which I feel like that's also probably not the call she got. A source close to Paul. A source close to Paul. That she has the option to return. Okay. So it sounds

like Taylor has the option and maybe she's opting to not right now. It says she's receiving strong support. This is the source. She's receiving strong support from the cast and producers, but is focusing on her kids and mental health issues and recovery from an abusive relationship. She's doing great and realizing how abusive her relationship actually was. Makes sense if she doesn't want to come back to filming in the moment of processing a lot of, like, trauma and stuff. For sure.

Have any of the other Mormon wives spoken out to, like, show some form of support afterwards. Because, like, I know that Macy commented on something that Taylor posted and she got eaten alive in the comments. Did she for just like, oh, now you want to comment. Like, once like Taylor was like absolved of whatever charges or accusations, she commented something and everybody underneath were like, oh, now you want to show up. Now you're going to comment.

But I don't even know if that comment's still there. I saw Jen post like a TikTok reel of, I think it was her, Jesse and maybe Macy. I'm not remembering if it was Macy or Michaela But it was basically like We're all going through the same stuff Ours is just like on television Like we're all humans We're all going through things

Ours just happens to be like shown on television Was she aligning with Taylor When she says we Or was she comparing herself to Taylor And is saying like I know Taylor's going through stuff But we all also have stuff Which is like whoa I think that

I think we all saying that Yeah. Yeah. She was saying, What About Me? Mm-hmm. Basically? I don't think it was like a what-about me.

That sounds kind of like a what-about-me. I think it was like a, hey, we're all going through. Maybe like she's getting some hate that we're not aware of. And she's like, guys, chill, we're all going through stuff. And like- I mean, that's not untrue. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day.

This is what it is. It's her, Jesse, and Macy. We're doing our best just like you. It just happens to be on reality TV and online for millions to see. Her caption is we're all just humans living for the first time. And the girls are kind of like kindness. Macy commented kindness goes a long way. Michaela put clapping emojis.

So they must be. I just think it's kind of a weird, weird timing to be like kind of like we're all going through stuff where I'm like, I think people are upset with them because it was like they instantly took aside and kind of distanced themselves from Taylor. Come to find out that Taylor is actually the victim of the situation. And so then it's like, oh, sorry, we stopped showing support. And we made these weird ass messages to be like, we're distancing ourselves and being like, did they anyone distance himself? Layla and Miranda, I'm pretty positive posted in their stories, putting like there's more that Jay said something about like the abuse doesn't end there.

Layla, it was like, I can no longer stay silent, which was a very heavy. It was, you know, that was longer. Which also, by the way, is kind of an incriminating thing to say. because it's like, oh, so you were staying silent. Yeah. So you knew. What did you know? So I'm like on Taylor's behalf, I'm kind of like, if I went through all of that and had

so many scars just recently exposed to the public, like, and then these people weren't defending me or having my back until I was absolved of said accusations, I think I would have a hard time wanting to go back and film with them too. You said these people? These people. I do think it's like, you know, it's funny when we'll get in the summer house, but I thought it was very interesting. Of all the interesting things that we saw in the episode, there's so much to talk about, but something maybe only I pick up on when Sierra and West were talking about just

them responding to fan attention, he was like, you know, it almost makes me feel like I resent. Yeah. It's just like I thought that was refreshing to hear because it's the acknowledgement that in this space that we talk about when we talk about these shows and the friends online, that the people like the, you know, the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives or the cast of Summerhouse, they're they're not immune to be influenced by fans to like to read the comments and then have that be confusing to even how you feel about a situation yeah and to know what's right or wrong how to respond when you're so deep in to the like the bubble that is these worlds it is kind of fascinating to see i don't i mean i like for the secret lies of mormon wise i mean like i don't i don't think they

really know how to respond to the situation and i do think there are i don't think there is a black or white like, I think Taylor is a victim in the situation. I think it's also, it could be possible that she, you know, has some, you know, some things to work on, you know, and that, you know, there's some things that maybe she's done that her, maybe her peers don't agree with. And they're trying to find the balance of how to, how to say that and not knowing what to do. And to your point where I'm like, because even Amanda said that about Kyle this season, I think, when she was like, I don't know what's my opinion versus what's the internet's opinion. So I'm sure that a lot of that and the thing about the internet is that it's like as soon as something drops

It's like everybody wants you to take a side instantly. What's your opinion? Have a hot take and it's like I feel like if you're Immediately involved that's when you should be the one that's like stepping back being like by all means you guys Work it out but like let me work it out with the real people not Yeah Let the internet create a narrative for me that I now have to denounce or have to make a statement about because like what's the fucking point? Yeah, you're not going to believe it anyways. Well, we do have a great episode lined up for you. Lots to get into all the Summer House shenanigans West has spoken on his podcast. Jesse Salomon went on

watch when happens live and boy did he spill some tea just kind of listed off all the things from his point of view and he really showed up and obviously we have the Summer House episode lots of crazy things going on in that episode. We also have Jeremiah Brown and Iris Kendo the stars from Love Island Season 7 and also two of the new stars from the Beyond the Villa season two What are they doing beyond the villa?

Anyways, it'll be great to catch up with Jeremiah and Iris. We had some great chats with both of them during their seasons of season seven. It'll be great to see where are they now? What's going on in their lives? That is all this episode. Also, don't forget that part one of Temptation Island Reunion. Season 2 is out and available to listen or watch. If you are listening to the episode, be sure to check out the extended video version

that you can find exclusively on the Vile Files on YouTube. Part 2, which is even juicier than Part 1, drops tomorrow. And you can see it. Audio drops at the same time, as audio always does, waiting for you on your commute to work or at wherever you're doing the day. But if you want to watch the exclusive part two version

with all the teeth. That is tonight at 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific on YouTube premiere. So be sure to check that out. Do you want to give me, talk about my thumbs? No, thumbs. Your thumbs? Thumbs.

Divorcegate Part two. Not to do two episodes back to back, like complaining. Because I don't complain often. You know, you know me guys. I'm not a complainer. I'm like a go with the flow. Yeah, I totally glass half full. I think she's...

Watch yourself, counselor. We actually didn't ask what you thought. I just heard Larry David exit your body right now. That might be a sign to take a step back. Yeah. Sierra, you weren't here on Tuesday's episode, but I shared a story about how I sat down on our couch to snuggle up with Nick and watch a movie and sat on the couch in his chewed-up gum that he sat on a couch cushion. Jail immediately, what? Why, Nick?

Yeah. Why? So that's what happened on Tuesday. I have a hard time, and I just want you to know I'm sad. We've got Mr. East Nick Wilson in the building. You just want your best friend back. I just want to be your best friends. And then this past weekend I buy those little like disposable film cameras off Amazon, you know, trying to capture some moments.

They just make everything look a little bit more special, you know? And so I was like, Nick, we've been filling out this camera. And I'm like, Nick, there's like a couple more photos left in this. can you take some of me and River on the couch? And so he's taking a picture. I'm like, I can see like your knuckles are in front of the lens. And he's like trying to move them. And I'm like, they're still like, they're still there.

And then he gets mad at me. And he's like, you know what? Like, I'm not taking any more photos of you. Like my fingers aren't in front of it. Like this is ridiculous. Like seriously. Tell you left that part of. Leave me alone.

I'm just saying. It was like, he was like pissed off that I had to say his fingers were in the way. He's like, they're not. They're not. What are you talking about? They're not. Anyways, so I get the camera. I get all the photos developed.

Tell me why every single photo of me and River, there is a big fat thumb in the top corner. I feel like every single one. I fear I know what happened is that I think that he's used to like normal cameras where, you know, your finger in front of the lens. You see it where on a disposable, it's a viewfinder. Yeah. So if your fingers, yeah. Oh my God, Nick.

Yeah. Yeah. But you'd think he's so old, he would understand, like the viewfinder. It's like, weren't you around when they invented these? Right? Like, isn't this your era? Shouldn't you be like a professional specialty in this? You tested the beta model.

I, you know. You were posting digital camera photos on Facebook, I bet. I'm all thumbs. I can't. Which is I have a bit of photography bug in me. I have some nice. cameras, I can take, you know, part of my artistic side is I'm fairly, like, amateur for sure, but I can take some nice amateur headshots of people, like some portraits.

Just not of his wife and of his child. Oh, it's also like it's a head shot and a thumb shot. I need a high-powered camera. That's what I was going to say. It's not, it's too cheap for you. It's so small. It's so small. But it's so unfortunate because, like, all of the ones of Nick and River are, like, magical.

Like, I capture, like, it's them, they're magical. It's them making pancakes in the morning, and Nick, like, whisking and River, like, holding the measuring cup. And then it's them cooking dinner, and she's, like, peeling the kale and her tongues out, and Nick's smiling, or them chasing each other in the backyard. Like, these are cinematic masterpieces, and all of mine are ruined by a thumb. Damn. And he tells me, I can crop them.

That was his response. Well, you can crop them. I was like, you can't crop up. Well, I thought it was a step in the right direction because the last time I did this, the thumb was so bad that it just... You covered heads and faces? It couldn't focus. It didn't, it completely didn't turn out. It wasn't even like, you didn't even know who was in the photo.

Here, it was like, oh, what a really beautiful picture of Natalie and my daughter. And then there's a thumb. Natalie, what you should do is you should make like a little collage and just cut his thumb out of all. of them. And then one page is like the photos. I think AI can fix it. And then the other page is just his thumbs. No, that's what Nick tried to say. Nick tried to say collage it. And I'm like, no, I'm an adult. I'm putting them in frames and like putting them around our house or on our walls. They don't make a like four by six that's been chopped up frame. Listen, I recognize my mistake. They're not making a three by two

point. I said I was sorry and I was sorry. I got mad and you were right and I will do better. I will I will, there is a path, we have many more memories, hopefully to get to capture. That's what he said. There's so many more moments to capture. Don't you go back home without another disposable camera. Oh, I don't, you know, where do you buy them? CBS. She just said Amazon.

Amazon, Walgreens. Urban outfitters now. Yeah. I love that you just admitted to being a repeat offender. No, it's crazy. I, I, said this happened last time. Fix it. Yeah.

I really, really. Fixed it. I really, really didn't know. All right, well, let's dive into all the Westgate continues. It's, um, the drama's great. I mean, what do you want me to say? I'm sad there are sad people, but like, let's be, we, we love this shit. Come on.

Let's not pretend that we're not fully engaged and entertained. And obviously, like, overreacting to an extent of like. People we don't know in real life. Yeah, I mean, like, come on, you know. And it's. I just think it's like It's just interesting kind of Not to compare it to Scandible

Because it's not a comparison But it's like Watching the episodes with a completely different lens In a different perspective That it's like knowing what we know now It does obviously make a lot more things Seem a lot more insidious And they probably actually were

But then also there are certain things that stick out That were like wow I would never have thought twice about that I think we should also just stop pretending That like the reason why it's so popular And everyone's talking about it Is because it's so relatable It is. Like, maybe the details of the story are unique.

And, like, it's certainly heavy because of the friend group. But, like, again, it's, we know what it's like to have feel lied to and betrayed by people we romantically are invested in. We certainly nowadays, everyone is in these situationships that where you blur the lines of, like, how, you know, what are we? Are we not something and things like that? They have KJ. and Dara, like, defining a relationship. I don't know how long they've been dating at this point in the show. but the way the entire cast acted like they like eloped to Vegas

and got married. Well, KJ said he had been hurt in the past and had gone into relationships very quickly before so he was taking his time. I get it, but like, I mean, dating in 2026 is that where it's just now everyone's just like, you know, it's like, you can break up.

Yep. It's boyfriend and girlfriend stuff. And like the opposite of that is everyone kind of treading water and like, you know, there's a difference between like taking it slow and and- communicating. Well, there's a difference between taking it slow and staying in the same place and calling it progress just because time has passed.

And I think a lot of people today on dating in situationships, like taking it slow means literally not advancing to the next step. It's just like, what is the next step? You know? I'm so confused about situationships genuinely because I'm like, as I've been seeing playing out on many Bravo shows, I'm like, it just seems like you still got to break up. So why are we so avoided of having a label when you still have. have to go through the tough separation of friends. I'm just like, you're not skipping anything. You guys just complicated shit.

Now you have to have even more weirder closure conversations because you're not boyfriend and girlfriend, but we're still technically friends that hook up, but we're not going to hook up anymore, but we have the same friend group. You just complicated your own shit. Yeah. West went on his podcast and gave us an update from his perspective,

and he wanted everyone to know that don't worry, everyone was single. Yeah. Yeah. And him and Sophie Cunning. How do you hate her so much? Oh, it's just because it's just funny that he's on a podcast with Sophie Cunningham. He's a sports journalist.

She's in sports? I know, but she's like, it's funny that, like, of all the WNBA players, he chose, like, the one that the people hate the most. Anyway, that's all. What's crazy to me is that he admitted to texting his, what does she say? She asked if, like, he had reached out to any of his friends, and he said that, and he hadn't heard back from a lot of them or whatever, which he understands. Well, according to Jesse, didn't reach out of Jesse.

But then Jesse on Watch What Happens Live says that he has not heard from him, which I'm like, and KJ also tweeted being like, haven't heard from him. So this is interesting. So like, who did you text? Who did you read? If not Jesse, your best friend and KJ. You know, who he texted? He texted Mia.

Because she was on Watch What Happens Live and she was like, I got a text from West. I have not yet to respond. I don't know what to say to him. But I'm like, Mia? Mia, Sierra's best friend. Like, why are you not texting KJ? Your best friend. That actually makes sense to me, honestly.

Because I think he met, like, he knows that Sierra is good friends with Mia. And to whatever degree that, like, I don't know. I don't think Jesse thinks that, I don't know. I don't want to speak for West. I don't know. He's like, I've been texting. He's like, I've been texting Amanda from the house a lot. We text all the time.

Well, the fact that he was like, just so you know, I want to, as if he, like, felt like it was going to really clear the air when he said everyone was single. And I know, like, everyone's speculating, you know, when to the start and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But, like, to me, it really doesn't matter. That part doesn't matter because that only matters in the context.

The only person who really should care is Kyle. Because, like, man and Kyle are technically, I think, still divorced, but potentially they were the ones in a relationship. Still married. Again, if the portrayal of, Kyle is accurate. And if Kyle, this is the type of husband he's been to Amanda, again, not to condone Amanda's actions. But like I, it, it makes sense why someone in Amanda's position would make a mistake or or make a choice that she did where in a friend group that is

so close to like high school dynamics that she would, what are you shaking your head for? I can't. I'm like, I'm sorry. You can't make sense of it. You can't at least connect the dots. Nope. I will not give her any grace on West, on the West Wilson of it all. like, no, watching you sit there and tell her. Forget only about, like, let's say, let's take Sierra out of the equation for a second. Let's say, and take, I'm just talking about Amanda right now.

Okay. I am just saying, like, in terms of, was Amanda in a relationship? Like, was everyone single? That's why, like, it doesn't matter because we care most about Sierra's feelings. And as it relates to Sierra, Amanda's relationship to Dallas is kind of irrelevant, right?

Because of the betrayal. It only relates to Kyle because he was the one married. And I'm just saying if this story was just about Amanda, let's say Amanda started dating another, I don't know, like maybe it was Amanda being speculated that she was dating Ben or something, I don't know. And it had nothing to do with West and Sierra hooking up.

We would still be talking about this, but we would care far less because like all I'm saying is Amanda dating someone who's close to Kyle to me makes sense in effect. If she is someone who spent the past 10 years not feeling seen or validated. I'm not saying it's a smart decision. I'm not saying it's a healthy decision,

but it just makes sense that someone in her position would do something to almost get a reaction from her husband who hasn't ever really reacted in a way. It's not grace. I'm just like, I'm just connecting the dots. I mean, that sounds kind of like toxic as fuck though

because I'm like, okay, so you want to hook up with his best friend to like, what, be like you treated me like shit from 10 years versus just leaving? Like I just like in my head, like there's nothing that really condones that behavior. your let alone. I'm not condoning it. I'm not saying you are. I'm just saying that's just like my wording where I'm just like for me I'm like regardless because Kyle's the one that she's

running to having Kyle do interviews being like Amanda's going to clear it up at the reunion. Amanda like Amanda didn't do like having Amanda's back and trying to like fully put everything on to West where I'm like so if you're still going to be doing that and then going to a game and making out with him and doing all of this shit like I'm just like you don't give a fuck about Kyle's feelings and you don't have to give a fuck about Kyle's feelings but however the betrayal there is just so many sided that I'm like if you take Sierra the equation, it's still fucked up that you're hooking up with one of your husband's close friends.

Yeah, but I'm just saying, if Amanda were my daughter, I wouldn't be like, yeah, cool. Like, yeah, good luck, you too. But I would at least understand how she got there, whether I agreed with the decision or not. I'm just like sometimes like, I mean, people can do things where you go, I can't even comprehend how you got here, you know, and how you made this.

And all I'm saying is I can connect the dots, where I can be like, I don't agree with it. Doesn't seem like a smart decision. Don't think it's going to last. You know, and kind of shitty and toxic. But like, I get it. I get how she got here. And if all we were talking about, I'm just saying I would, yeah,

I would have empathy. Curious, curious what you guys think about this. Because I feel like the, my issue with what Amanda, the way Amanda is moving throughout this right now is, first off, she's not really, she's not, for lack of a better term, standing on business with it.

Like she is kind of positioning. She is letting the men around her position her as the actual victim in this situation, which is, which bothers me because she's not. She made the decision. She is a grown-ass woman who has autonomy over herself. She did that because

she wanted to. Yes. And okay, cool, whatever. Then own it. Exactly. Own it. Lean into it. Like, be like, yeah, I did it. Don't let West Wilson fight your battles. Don't let your fucking ex-husband fight your battles. And this is all to say, like, I don't know what she's going to say at reunion. She could do it on reunion. But the way she's going out with the scarf over her head, she's at the Yankees game with West. Posting a photo of her

dog, but then being like, hey, I'm going to, like, if you see me outside, just know, like, it's really weighing on me and then being like, happy hour. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm not saying, Yankees game. Yeah. It's like fucked up that people are making death threats to her and, like, saying awful things online, no one should have that happen to them. But again, it's just like, You're not the only one who is being cyber bullied online. And it's the way that West and Kyle are pretending like Amanda is going through the worst thing anyone has ever gone through in their entire life. It's like, no, she's not. She like made a messy relationship, Joyce, and she's dealing with the consequences of her actions that she made.

But she's like hiding from taking responsibility of it, letting everyone else speak for her. And don't worry, she'll speak at reunion. But it's like, you're outside. You're fine. She's posted on Instagram. What did she post? I mean, there's a little bit of like, damn. If they do, damned if they don't.

But to Mary's point, then own it. If you guys are going to go to the Yankees game, stop having these, like, narratives being like, yeah, I'm just like really sad for Amanda. Then speak up. Say something. You don't mind posting on your story. Also, she could go on it. No, that is so true. She was.

Because it is 100% West going on his podcast and being like, I just wish like people would be mean to me and not Amanda. Like she's just having such a hard time. No, see, that's the bullshit. then that's where watching this past episode, like it reinforced what I was talking about on Tuesday's episode about weak men. Like that scene between West and Sierra, not the ending scene,

which was heavy enough, but the first time in the bedroom where he's just like, he's just like, I don't have a hard time articulating. And by the way, at his podcast, he's wearing like the beanie and he has the hoodie.

And he's just like, I'm just a deal, which is just bullshit. Because it is bullshit. because he was just at the Yankees game posting all of his guy friends he goes to the bars with Amanda post all of his guy friends

it's like yeah and I said this on Tuesday's episode if y'all are gonna go out if y'all are gonna do this public shit then do it do it with your whole fucking chest like to Sierra Mary's point don't get on Instagram and be like guys this is just like weighing on me a lot but I have to get outside for my mental health it's like okay cool get outside for your mental health

but also be like a hike. Take a Pilates class. Here's me and West. Here's me and West guys at West Wilson. Like we're together. He ha ha. Like lean in. Show us that like y'all are going to do it. Don't like hide and not post each other and wear your scarf. He like weaponizes his weakness and

plays this whole like sad boy. You know, he literally is telling Sarah on this episode where she's crying. She is saying and again like Sarah's not my friend. I have I didn't. I wasn't situation with her, I just watch her on TV. And sometimes when I watch these shows, I'm taking care of my daughter and talking to my wife and have a million things going on. And even though I'm paying attention to like 60 percent, I know that Sierra Miller when it comes to choosing her relationships wants to build a friendship. And that friendship is super important to her and meaningful.

And that is the start for her emotional journey. She has communicated this at nauseam to like anyone who will listen, including I imagine West, the person she claims. or says to him, like you were one of my best friends and I don't say that easily. And so she is saying this is this like, this is like a profession of love in a way.

This is like she is trying to articulate how serious her feelings are and this guy is just like, it just makes me sad. And I don't know how to not be friends with you. And it's just like, bro, like you know what she is saying and you are making yourself to be the victim,

your sadness, your feelings, and you are giving this person, and such false hope. And the thing about like, I don't know how to do that and shit like that. And, you know, and I can't,

like, I can be best friends tomorrow. She is taking it as you, like, finally taking her seriously and how she's communicating it. And again, it's so,

like, at some point, especially when you're an adult man, it's not like confusion. It's just a choice. You're just making a choice to, like, live in this whole like,

oh, I don't know what to do. And again, it's a bit because, West in his mind he's telling himself like I've made it very clear to Sierra you know like I'm not ready to date I don't really know I just I want to be friends but like and he's just I want to break a heart and he is pretending that she hasn't articulated to him very clearly what she wants out of a romantic relationship yes and and again he plays the whole like sad boy narrative and like I don't think he's stupid you know he's he's a 30 year old man you know like at some point you

have to give a shit about the feelings of the people you say you claim to care about. I mean, and if you don't, like, it's just a choice. And so like, it's just like, it's a bit. Can I ask you when like, if you and Natalie like get into it or something, like, how do you apologize? Well, yesterday on the phone, she was talking to my thumb. I was just like, you're right. I'm absolutely sorry. I got mad and and you were, you were right. I got defensive and you were right and I will do better and we have many more memories to, you know, get my thumb out of the equation. Hello, class.

I have a lesson for you. That is called a sincere apology. Do you see how taking accountability, how it wasn't, I feel this way and my feelings were hurt. It was, hey, I upset you. I took something out on you and that's my bad. And I, you were right. Yeah, West does that.

Oh, I feel bad for fucking up. And it really hurts me. I'm sad about this. Yeah. Should I be apologizing to fucking you? Like. And then the way I'm just like, any time that I'm like professing how sorry I am like sorry is a big thing like where it's just like I am so incredibly sorry. The way that he did it twice when he walked in there.

The second one was just like what the fuck was that when she was on FaceTime with Amanda? But it was just like he just goes, listen, I feel bad. It hurts me that I did that to you. I apologize. And I'm just like this is. I'm sad. I'm sad. I'm sad.

When people say I apologize over I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm like, that's a cop out. Thank you. That's like when I was, I don't know, 10 years old fighting with my brother and I would be like, you have to say sorry. Say sorry right now. Say sorry right now.

And I'd be like, I apologize, Jackson. It was like my way of getting out of saying I'm sorry. Literally, because if somebody asks you, did you apologize? Yes, I did. I apologized. Can I ask maybe a loaded question? For sure. So I was the kid, right, who I would.

Fuck up, right? At home, like, whatever. My mom would get mad at me. And I would be like, I am so sorry. Like, I am the first person to be like, I'm so, so sorry. Like, I'm so, so, so sorry. And then here's what my mom would hit me back with. It's just words. Oh, wow. That's the whole plate theory, too. Like, if you say sorry to a plate that's smashed on the ground, does it put the plate back together? Was less that. And I mean, maybe this is more like me just being like, all say, like, she's like, you're going to. going to say sorry, you're going to do the same dumb shit again. So it's like, and I'm curious as to like when, for someone like West, right, if he even, even if West got to the point where he was like, which he, I guess in his brain definitely did where he was like, I apologize to Sierra. I've said I'm sorry. Like I saw her. I told her I see her. And it's like, yeah, you said that. You used your words finally. But again, it's like words versus actions. And I, I'm just curious at large,

even outside of Summerhouse, because this is something that, like, I try to figure out of, like, how to show up for the people I care about, whether it's, like, romantic or just platonic friendship. I'm just, like, where is the difference of, like, you can really, really mean something? And, you know what I mean?

Well, yeah, there's a difference between, I'm sorry, my actions hurt your feelings. So it's like you're not apologizing for action. You're apologizing for their emotional response to your actions. And a lot of people do that. And sometimes, sometimes when I, apologize, I'm very, like, I'm not sorry for my actions, but I am sorry that it made him sad. Like, that wasn't the outcome I wanted, but hey, you're in charge of your feelings.

Like, there are times when that's how I feel. Yeah. Right. But if you actually think you fucked up, if someone's like, yo, you did that and that thing, I think is fucked up also hurt my feelings, then there's like, I'm, I'm sorry for my thought. I'm not sorry that Natalie's mad at me. I'm sorry that I'm a stupid fucking idiot and I got so defensive that instead of just listening to my wife, I, I chose to stubbornly, you know, act like a petulant child and then ruin all those memories. And that's the thing I'm sorry for. And I don't want to do it again, you know, and yeah, like, he definitely knows better, right? Like, he should know better. But the thing is, like, he does, that's why, what I mean? He doesn't care. What he cares about is how. He's how.

he feels. I think he's, and public perception. I think he's somebody who's very aware that he is on camera. I think he knows to say the right things and to react in a certain way because he wants whatever happens when cameras go down for that period to be like, yay, West, we love West. And that's why like you're playing into this whole Sierra thing when you clearly don't have interest. It's so interesting that you say that he's like super aware because obviously we saw him with like the whole sock thing. And then this episode, I noticed that whenever Sierra came into the room and was like, hey, do you want to go and get a coffee? He was like, yeah, sure. And he goes in to tell Jesse who's in the shower and he picks up his necklace microphone to like catch what

Jesse's saying because clearly Jesse's not going to have a mic in the shower. And like you are so hyper aware of like making sure what you want gets aired and what you don't want like doesn't get heard. And it's just, it's very interesting. I don't know if they're going to say this because I don't think this makes them look or sound any better. But I think my guess is behind the scenes to like to Sophie Cunningham when, you know, when Sophie was like, I just think when people start learning the truth, they're going to feel differently. Because like clearly West has like emotionally dumped on so, you know, on, on, on, on Sophie. And she's been like, oh my God, like, don't listen to the haters. It's not that bad. I know what haters are like. My guess is he is downplaying the

realness of these friendships and relationships and blaming it on on TV. He's probably like, I'm not even like that fucking good of friends with Jesse. It's like, or like, see, you know, again, the whole like bit where he's with Sierra, he's just like, we dated for three months, three years ago. But it's just, again, you're the one who've like, you've given Sierra access to your emotions without accountability. You're the one who like does the, you play the confusing part. And that's what I mean, like to be like a strong partner or a strong guy.

Not like it is to is to be willing to just be honest and up front at the risk. of in the short run, frustrating or disappointing that person, but knowing that you're just, you're at least being honest. Yep. And knowing that in the long run, they at least might have respect for how you carry yourself and as opposed to like in the long run, them feeling let on or misled because you gave them, even though you said you weren't ready to date and you said you didn't want this, but you showed up emotionally like to be there for them.

And it was funny, funny like when Jesse's on watch what happens live and he was like, you know, it's like, you know, like, I'm not going to condemn the guy. He's not like a bad guy. He just did a bad thing, blah, blah, blah. But Jesse told this told the story about how, you know, this is a man I cried with, you know, when I was like recovering from his, his, his, his fight with cancer.

And that, like, makes a lot of sense because, again, West is someone who can show up in those moments, right? He, he's likable. He can, he can really be there for someone. The problem with West is it's the consistency. He doesn't want to show up consistently, and that's why West is more of a boy's boy, because when it comes to his male relationships, he can tap in and tap out. He can cry on the floor with Jesse and really show up in that moment,

and then, like, hang out two weeks later. He can go on a plane and hook up with girls and things like that, but when it comes to, like, building an emotional connection that requires, you know, that's something that Sierra has been very clear about what she wants to do and the direction it wants to go, it requires, if nothing else, consistency. and he doesn't want to do that, but selfishly, he still likes having access to Sierra. He still wants Sierra to rely on him and go to him, and he wants to be able to say, I show up for her. You know, here's 10 examples of me being there for Sierra.

And it's just like, but that's not what Sierra wants. Sarah wants a consistency, the trust and loyalty. And that's the cop out because he is like discounting that fact. And instead of like, he's petting himself on the back for things that everyone else is criticizing him for, because when you show up for someone who's asking for consistency and you don't give him that consistency, all you're giving them is a false sense of hope. Like you're giving, you know, at the end of this episode where he's like, I could be best for scenes right now. Again, this is a person who's talked about what being best friends with a man means to her.

Right. And you are saying, I can be best friends with you tomorrow. In an instant. Yeah. In an instant. As if. Like that's, and then to find out, then you ended up fucking Amanda is crazy. Even crazy.

That's what I meant by like sick to my stomach. And you know what I mean? Like it was just just to see him. It's the fact that he didn't think he was lying dirt. Like he is so in his own world. Oh, no, no. He definitely thinks he's a victim. Yeah.

But even then, like it was the competition for me that like I couldn't help but just be like annoyed with where I'm like, okay, fine. I did not expect like can we be best friends again to come out of Sierra's mouth in that moment. And when it did, I was like, oh, damn, here we go. Which would have been like a moment. Had we not known about Scamanda, Westgate, whatever. We've been like, fuck, yes.

And I was still there. I would have been like, and then he ruined it for me. Yeah. If I was like completely just like devoid of everything else is going on and was just in this storyline, he fucking ruined it for me because then he goes, and you never make out with Jesse. And I was like, that's what you're thinking about after two years of back and forth, can't be comfortable like how we still. No, but that is crazy to say because that implies that you give a fuck who she makes out with

and you aren't in a position to give a fuck who she makes out with because when you say I just want to be friends, you're suggesting you mean it platonically. Yes. You know, and it's like, she doesn't mean that. She's made it.

I mean, I don't want to speak for Sarah, but that's what it seems like when she's talking about relationships. For her to be like, well, why didn't you stop it or whatever? And he was like, you wouldn't do that. Or whatever the fuck. But it was just like that whole, like, that exchange already is so intimate.

She's letting her walls down. She said she doesn't even want to be nice to you. And like, we're going to try to like move to this friendship. and then he's already ready to like kind of like, let's take six steps forward. And then he's going to play victim being like, I don't know how she got here. Like, I don't know.

I don't know. I didn't do anything. And it's like, then you're going to go and fuck Amanda. Like, that's why like a guy like West who I would classify as like a weak partner or a weak guy, you know. And it's not like an indication.

It's just like it's he can change. Maybe he won't be a weak partner for Amanda. I don't know. But that's the dangerous part of this situation because like we think back to this season, right? when you had this whole, like, you know, that moment where Wes, I don't even know how to talk to her. And then Sierra's like, I've designed it that way. Again, then you also have another scene, I brought this up multiple times where Wes is like,

I'm worried that Sierra's going to get hurt. Again, like, so the real truth is that second statement where you know that West is not worried about his feelings. Yep. He is in control from his perspective about this situation. He's not worried about it. He's trying to navigate it, but he is, he's okay. But that, and by back, oh, I don't even know how to talk to her in Sierra.

Like that is that game we play and even Sierra, you know, like, because it's very easy in the type of relationship Sierra finds herself in with West to feel powerless. To like, to just be drawn to someone. She's emotionally invested in this person. She feels committed. She doesn't want to feel like she's crazy. She's like, I'm not crazy for liking this. This person's giving me a reason to like them.

That kind of internal battle that we fight when we have these strong feelings for someone who is like kind of maybe giving us examples of like why we shouldn't fuck with them. Right. And so it's just that game. that we play where Wes is, again, he's pretending he's the victim. He's pretending that he's the one not in control, knowing full while he's in control. And that gives Sierra a false sense of security and a false sense of power. And like, yeah, I hope that Sierra will look at this situation and see all these examples to be like, holy fuck. Like, I hope this ends up being the best moment of her life looking back.

But, like, West definitely shouldn't have known better. I'm just saying in the sense of like eventually like you you know the problem with guys like West is like you know you know west are a dime a dozen and they are never going to be the ones to actually change their behavior. You're just going to have to see them for who they are and choose not to fuck with them anymore. You're just you have to like you have to help yourself right that you know and I hope that it relates to this whatever this is with West that she kept her just keep giving him more chances what you know and and and his confusing behavior i hope she doesn't see his behavior as confusing

anymore i hope that she says his behavior is very i hope where he stands is very clear now and it's not with sierra and it's not really as her friend you know it is he it's if nothing else he just want he it's i guess with amanda you know um yeah i mean they do make sense to me i don't know no i will never agree to that where i'm just like even that scene of them with and I don't know. I don't want to come for West too hard, but I'm just like, West is the type of person where I was like, even with it. He did say he would rather people come for him than Amanda. So go for it. All right. This forum is open. Even the like dog thing where I was just kind of like my fiance and I were kind of talking about that where we're like, West is just the type of person that positions himself in any situation where he can meet as many women as possible and not seem like a threat. And I'm just like the whole like, I don't want to have a dog, but like I do these dog adoption things where it was just like, oh, what a sweetheart. He just really cares. Golden Retriever. Yeah.

I can't have a dog right now, but the least I could do. Yeah. I was donate my time. Where I'm just like, you know who goes to dog adoption? And guess what? Single women. Literally. And guess what?

That's why I found his political post, again, not that I don't agree with him. I found him to be performative because it was like, wait, why is what? And to back your point up for Mary, her, him having a podcast with Sophie Cunningham really confuses that. Exactly. So, well, obviously, there will be more to talk about. I've got so much more to say. It's Wayfair from April 25th through April 27th.

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Yes. You know, shit's getting messy when Jesse Solomon starts to make sense. Well, you know, I know, I've been, you know, I'm often critical to the guys on Bravo. But, like, maybe. maybe Jesse is one of those guys who's, you know, again, like to say like, you know, when I say Wes is a weak man, like he can, at any point he can choose to mature or grow up and start giving a shit about other people's feelings outside of his own. And when Jesse showed up last season, being like, I'm in love with Lexi, you know, like that was impulsive and like maybe silly,

but to whatever degree that he tried to like make sense of those actions would be like, it's a very West Wilson thing to do. But Jesse sounds like, maybe he's open to like being like, yeah, if I'm serious about my relationship life and want to, like, actually have something meaningful, I have to maybe, like, not do all these things, right? So maybe Jesse's learning. But anyways, Jesse, let's just go point by point, everything he said. He said that he had suspicions about West and Amanda, but they lied to his face about it multiple times, which is this, like, interesting in the sense that, like, that's just knowing that, like,

they knew they were doing something shady. A hundred percent. Like, otherwise, why are you lying? Why? Yeah, that's what I say about, like, the accountability of it all is that it's, like, I'm not going to sit here and give anybody passes because these are two grown-us adults that made that decision. And then when you're looking somebody in the face knowing that you're lying about it, why would you lie if you don't know that what you're doing is wrong, bad, whatever? You would own it or be like, you'll never believe what I'm feeling.

And I remember when Jesse posted the photo of him and Amanda out having martinis or whatever. And he was like, if you see us out, we're just friends or whatever. So it's like they sat down and had a full-on one-on-one, which I guess Jesse was asking Amanda about the rumors, what's going on. she straight up lied to his face. You know, it's interesting because everyone, you know, is trying to be like, oh, when did this start, right? And was there cheating and things like that? But everyone's, like, asking that through the lens of, like,

a physical boundary being crossed. And the truth is, like, we're never really going to get a straight answer. Because I guarantee you Wes and Amanda are answering that question in that lens. Well, we didn't hook up. Like, we didn't hook up. We didn't fuck until everyone was single. Or we didn't kiss or we didn't hug. But, like, we are literally watching this season.

And again, like, it's a gray area, right? These things don't just start, like, it's not like one day. someone walks in goes, I think I'm in love with you. Yeah. You know, there's a,

there's a banty flirting, there's their rapport. They are probably, they're at point. West probably did show up as a friend. And then eventually there's like these, maybe an intimate moment or, and by intimate,

I mean like just a feeling, right? And then eventually went, like, eventually it just starts crossing a line that's, gets kind of weird. And so we'll never really know it because clearly that's what happened with these two is they,

they get closer and closer. And, you know, I'd be curious what they said to each other and they said of themselves once they realized there was some mutual interest. But from Amanda, you know, from one, like, if you're Amanda, how do you let it ever go that far? Well, and even watching that dog adoption, bit, whatever, where it's like they're having that conversation,

I instantly flashed back to the fight that they had and Kyle being like she spent more time with you in the last six months than with me. And then while Amanda's defending Sierra's honor and being like what you did was messed up and it messes up the dynamic. It's like you're clearly talking on behalf of Sierra while talking to West, but also stating that like, you know, you've been such a good friend to me and like you hate it when Kyle

mistreats me. So to see you disrespect Sierra in such a way. And then I was like, and then? That's what's crazy. Because like, even if you're a manning, you're like telling yourself like, Sierra and I aren't that close or whatever. Like, but no matter what, even if you and West are meant to be. End game.

End game. You are disrespecting. your friend Sierra. Like, just from, if you care about Sierra's feelings and you're going to come out. Like, it almost is like, you know,

and sometimes I give him a relationship advice and someone's like, you know, I have a crush in this guy who has a boyfriend, but well, like, we're just friends. And I'm like, yo, you're getting a front row seat to how this guy moves.

Yeah. As a boyfriend. And it's almost like a man as like, I kind of like you. And I want to give, like, she's like, don't,

like, be better be, like, don't do this to Sierra so I can justify liking you. It's almost like this weird. training him for the future. No, it's just like, it's, yeah, it's this weird, oh, it's infuriating. Because it's also just like if you're friends with someone and you can't talk about the

person your day, like the people you're seeing around them, maybe think about why that is. The whole dynamic of like their quote unquote friendship is just been the most bizarre thing to watch. But the cognitive dissonance between them having these conversations about. respect, loyalty, friendship, the meaning of it all. And then to see what their actions were while you guys hit it, lied, and then wanting to text random apologies to people while dropping this like mutual, we were found into this relationship.

You can't even say each other's, like Sierra bringing that up in her glamour article of them not saying each other's names. West also didn't say it on the podcast either. In their statement, like they never say each other. They never reference each other by name. They're like, we. And then when West was talking on his podcast, he kept saying she to refer to Amanda. He wouldn't say Amanda. Well, he doesn't even talk about Sierra as if she's even a human being now.

He's just like, we've hurt people. Yeah. Like, who are you talking about? The cast. I feel bad. You know, I've sent some text. And it's just like, bare minimum. Jesse also said he and Sierra, oh wait a bit, he and Sierra, Jesse said he and Sierra were

already side-eyeing things. Jesse said that him and Sierra were kind of probably suspecting things of, is there something going on to back in February, but Sierra had told Jesse to wait for the reunion. Like she was going to call them out at the reunion, but then all of this stuff came out and statements, etc. He said he reached out to Page who gave him great advice, which I thought was great because, well, we've heard it straight from Jesse's mouth. I have talked to other people very close to the situation. And then that very brief conversation that was had, Paige's name came up. And so clearly, Page's Herbo is running point PR.

for the house. She is, she is the go-to person for, it seems like everyone else involved in terms of like, what advice Paige has for them because how, how they should,

they should move. How they should move accordingly. Page is that one meme it's like, you guys are in a crisis. I'm on my way. Yeah. No, I'm like,

even the iconic photo of Sierra finding out about the statement or whatever outside of Hermes, chic as fuck. She was like, I was on the phone with Paige being like, what do I do?

And I'm just like, I just, I love this friendship. so much and I do love the fact that like, yeah, she's the one that's like, all right, we need to run, wait, let's fucking go. Make sure you get photographed in front of her, my as well.

That was prejudiced boys. Then he dropped some tea that he had, West had brunch with all the boys and then apparently had a second brunch with Amanda. And then they all went to Miami and Wes and Amanda went on a solo dinner. Yep. I wonder who asked who. He was so funny about it

too. He was like, yeah, and like, I didn't even think of anything of it. I was just offended. Like, that they would go to dinner and not invite him. He just wanted to hang out. Yeah, we're all in Miami together. Yeah. Well, I mean, again, like this, this, you guys have to, again, the psychology, and I don't know, I assume those are people are interested in this, but like, the reason why some of this drama in these weird, like, I think we call it grace or whatever, but like, it, when, when these groups of people are filming reality TV shows, it's so, it's so impossible to almost not have a very high school, like, dynamic, you know? and it's you are you're very isolated from the world

because you don't really honestly know who to trust and very few people can relate to your experience and you don't want to sound like you don't want to be talking about making TV shows to people who A are fans and B who maybe it's like you either it's like either fans or you don't want to sound like that guy that person so like the only person you're in a bubble right so it's it's it's it's a it creates these very weird relationship dynamics that like trauma bonded in a way.

Or just you can call it, but like that same type of bond. Well, at first, even just like West and Amanda, if they were just friends, it wouldn't seem that weird that they would maybe grab coffee or be friends in a way that were like other people be like, yeah, what is going on here? Like it would make sense that there is a closeness and a comfort level that doesn't necessarily mean that something's going on and why other cast members wouldn't necessarily read into it. Yeah.

because of how this group really is there for each other because they don't really have anyone else to turn to when they feel kind of isolated and alone. And I think that's what's fascinating about. It actually turned into something. I was like, to be fair, I'm like, they kind of do give off, like, horny college kids stuck in a house together, even though they're not stuck.

But I'm like, even watching West this season with Bailey, I don't know if you've seen it at all, but it's just, like, randomly he's like, got his arms intertwined with her arms while she's trying to have a conversation with Ben. And she's sitting on a bed and he's like pulling on her like ponytail and whatnot. She's like, don't not do that or, you know, so I'm like. Yeah, but that's kind of fucked up. But that's what I'm saying is that I'm like there's, there's this weird dynamic with West specifically.

But I'm just kind of like their whole friend group is just very interesting. Obviously shit's resurfacing with like Amanda holding Craig's hand under the table while he was dating page. And it's just like, in what world would that ever be a thing? I don't care who's fighting at the table. Yeah, that's still crazy. You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know. This show is just like, I love a lot of my friends.

But whenever. Yeah. I never act that way with my friend's boyfriend, with my friends, whatever, but I'm just like... And I'm like an intimate, like, you know, like when, for video listeners, when I see Sierra, like, we're like, you know, like, I'm hugging my friend. I'm doing whatever. Like, I'm a very, like, physical touch intimate with my friends. There is a difference. You know what I mean?

And so it's just interesting to see the summer. Yeah, but Wes is, you know, listen, like a lot of people who get attention and like attention have a bad habit of wanting to know they can. Yes. And West is like right now in this stage of life that he is, is the definition of, I just want to know I can. Yeah. And he doesn't want to let go of that wanting to know he could with Sierra. It's like trophies.

He's just collecting them being like, whenever I get to dust. this one off the shelf is cool. Give me more attention to do it. He kind of dresses like a literal peacock. Honestly, biggest issue that I'm having with this whole Amanda and West thing is Amanda style went completely down the drain and now she dresses like she got dressed in his dirty hamper and it pisses me off more than anything because she had great street style. And then I'm like, is this because you're one of those like chameleon type girls that doesn't have an identity of themselves so you blame everything on your partner or you become your partner? Yes. Because that's scariest type of person. I mean, I don't want to make general. Sometimes it's kind of mean to say, but

I have empathy. By all means, and hold on to that. I just, I don't. I love that for you. But yeah, no, I don't. Yeah. Do you think Sierra should be more mad at West or more mad at Amanda? Yeah, do you think Sierra should be more mad at Amanda than she is West in the way that she.

Yes. Why? And do you agree with the boys will be boys? It's not so much that I agree with it. But again, like, West fucking up isn't shocking, isn't surprising. And we watched it last episode where he's sitting here acting like the victim that he has something to apologize for when he literally said to that girl, I date this girl behind you. But who cares about that? But why can't we still hold him to a standard of again, when we watched this last episode back, why can't we be like, you, that's a fuck, you, that was fucked up. Again, like, we, you know, all the time we just spent like analyzing his behavior and, like, talked about how, like, at the end of the day, it's just kind of fucking manipulative. And it's a choice. And he's not this kind of helpless, you know, can't articulate his thoughts and. feelings as much as he lends on. So why are we, why are we discounting those actions to the fact that he's just some guy? Oh, no. I literally have equal, just like, I despise them both equally.

There's, there's no discrimination. But with Amanda is that it's like with your girlfriends, you expect better, she knows better, you're watching her literally talk about it throughout this season. She fucking knew better and still chose to hide it versus coming to the forefront and being like, hey, this happened. West, like, West, West, and I told you this was Scandava a long time ago when I came on. It was like, the thing with Bravo fans, at least for me that I feel like, is that we hate being bamboozled.

We hate you selling us who you think you are. That's Israeli TV fans in general. Sure, okay, but like, Bravo takes it very personal, okay? And like, that's why the vitriol or whatever seems like it's so out of place, but it's like, no, we've been rooting for you. We wanted you to leave Kyle. We wanted better for you. We wanted you to be this boss bitch.

on an empire and we were ready to give you the dollars to do so. And then this is what you do with it. Like it's just like, so yeah, it's more disappointing on Amanda's behalf because we were all actually rooting for her. Whereas West, it's like, oh my God, West, if it wasn't going to be with Amanda, it's going to be somebody else. Because that's just who West is. Here.

Thank you. Well, that will do it for today's Amanda Scandival, whatever, whatever we're calling it. Obviously, there'll be more layers to peel back. Up next, we have Jeremiah and Iris from Love, Island and now they're part of beyond the villa. And there seems to be a lot going on in our lives right now. They came in a little heavy, a little, you know, in their feels. Yeah.

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If you don't mind me, you guys both kind of came in a little heavy. It felt like, you know, and we've talked offline before, like this reality TV thing that you all do. It's a lot sometimes,

you know, On one end, like, it's awesome to have such a passionate fan base who gives a shit about who you guys are. Because if not, like, if no one cared, then that would suck. But it's trading. So how, I guess, first question for both of you, like, how are you guys doing, you know, fresh off of a new show of Beyond the Villa coming out? I feel like that was a prime time to ask how your heart is. Yeah.

How is your heart? Yeah, as we like to ask on this show. I think I'm great overall I think low-key last couple of days I've been letting a little bit of the noise get to me especially it's hard

when like people have only seen two out of eight episodes to have like a fourth of the picture and then like trying to say who you are or like talk about you and your friends when they've seen us for two hours when we've been hanging out for nine, 10 months now

so I think that's like the hardest part is some of like people switching up and I was like what are the some of the narratives about you that you're reading that you find to be the most upsetting at this moment? I would say honestly it's like the follower thing because they'll say like I'm a follower and mind you like I have my own me and Pepe have our own issues right it's not beef we just

like you'll see in the show it's not beef we just have our own opinions on things and we agree to go separate ways cordially and people don't know that so they just call me a follower but then it's like if I do choose sides I'm a follower but then if I don't choose sides I'm a follower but then if I don't sides than a friend that all is a friend that none. So I'm just trapped in a box. Yeah, there is a lot of that in reality TV. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. The only problem with, you know, because the internet isn't a limitless sea of opinions. Yeah. So, you know, you will find. Yeah, I know, I'm over it now, yeah, it's one of those things where it's like they're gonna, someone's gonna be pissed. Yeah. That's good point.

But I guess give us the reality. You mentioned like Pepe, but like. No, no, no, it's no beef. We're just not friends. Not friends. You're just not friends. Yeah. There's no, like, people think. You disagree to disagree. Yeah, exactly. And people will see that. And it's like, they don't know that yet. So they're just like, follow her, clout chaser.

And it's like, no, we're just not friends because of our own things we have going on that people don't know about it. So what people are saying is like, are they expecting to have Pepe's back in a way that they don't feel like you are? Yeah, I don't know what they think. I think it's just like they seem with the girls like, oh, he switched up on the guys. But it's really just me and Pepe had our own disagreements. And I'm not here to bash him or there's no beef. It's just we're just not friends anymore. It's like that for months.

I've been following you since you came on the show the first time. I haven't seen you say anything bad. Yeah, no. I said a podcast, like, oh, I said we aren't friends. And the whole comment section is like, oh, high schooler, cloud chaser, follower. I'm just like. Just not friends. Yeah.

I was also going to say, I actually really appreciate your friendship with Iris and Hannah and papaya. Yeah. I'm like seeing that you being like, hey, like, these are like my sisters and people that like I feel like I'm actually getting real good feedback and being able to be there. and to support them. And I'm like, I'm like, I really appreciate that perspective of you on the show. So just, you know,

there's always going to be a hater for everything that you do. But there's a lot of people that like appreciate it in silence, you know? Especially in reality TV because we're also, I'm imagining you're not a big Bravo fan, which is a,

I respect. I don't like watch it quite, to be honest, but I respect. Well, we talk, there's a lot of weak men on Bravo. And by weak men,

it's just like they're down, you know, they're always riding for the boys. You know, it's always like short term gratification. not, you know, in plain, though, like, I didn't know better, you know, and they don't seem to, like, stand up for the women in their lives in a meaningful way. So quite honestly, like, it's. It's refreshing. It's refreshing to Sierra's point. To see someone who, like, isn't just, like, riding for the boys all the time. Yeah, like, you seem like a, like, I didn't know they existed, but, like, a legitimate, like, girls guy. You don't really hear that term a lot, but it's like, you seem like somebody that, like, a woman could trust and feel safer out. So I do appreciate that a lot. I think he's just a really, good friend and like he he is a good friend to everybody you know and um i'm i'm i'm so lucky that i've met i met him because he i'm lucky and you know we just like all have gotten closer and like

we all talk all the time so it's you know we've just formed like a really close friendship yeah and how about you iris how has this experience been a you know difficult i have so much positive things happening in my life now that I'm like I don't even pay any attention to the negative things that are going on and I kind of just like let it all go but you know there is negative like with good always comes bad and you just have to really paint no mind and go about your life otherwise you're going to just get caught in like this negative cycle where it's like a back and forth with yourself and you don't want to yeah it's so real it's true like you're You don't want to let that stuff affect you because then it affects your friendships.

It affects your family. It affects your work. So my outlook on life is like no matter what happens, move on, stay positive. And like good things come to good people and like it will always get better no matter what. I imagine it's difficult. And, you know, because this show Beyond the Villa obviously is capturing the friendships that you guys formed on Love Island. And the way these shows are filmed and aired, there's, there's time. timelines are sometimes a little wonky and goofy.

And us fans obviously are just watching it through the lens of what we're being shown. And so I imagine, like, you know, specifically, like, with you and Pepe. I mean, in reality, like, that shit was long, a long as time ago. Yeah. Like, right?

Like, we don't care about it now. You know, it's like we've, we've processed that. But now that we're watching this show and we're playing kind of catch up with you guys, kind of like, you know, where are they now? What do you guys have been up to? I imagine there's a lot, you know,

There's just a lot of like revisiting old wounds. Yes. Is that a difficult thing to do? You know, I feel like, you know, I think people kind of are like now hearing different sides of the story. And like, I think they're watching it and they're thinking that this happened like so, like it's fresh. But really we filmed so long ago. and like we filmed like right when it was like all happening so now we're all moved past we're moved on we're doing great things with our lives and building our friendships and you know just trying

to live our lives and it's just like you're right it does bring back like you know the what we went through and it's like it's not fun but you know we signed up for it and like that's what we have to like deal with yeah it's i don't know either of you that well. I've gotten to know Jeremiah a little bit since interviewing him. We've kept in touch. But you both, you're not almost in a way, and this is like a compliment, you're kind of typical reality TV star. Like, you guys seem to lean in the, like, I don't look for the drama, you know, like you're, you're just not, you don't come across as messy people. You find yourself in some messy stuff on Love Island, you don't have to revisit that.

But even like, I was a big fan of Pepey watching the show. He seemed like a really stand-up guy. seemed like, you know, like we think of Jeremiah, just like, you know what? We're rooting for him. And then obviously the end of the, after the show happens, and it's just like, yo, like, we were caught off guard. I guess, like, how do you process that as someone who like, you know, you're on these shows and you don't want to, you seem like you're really good at giving the people in your life a lot of grace. As someone who wants to avoid the drama and give people grace, how do you find that balance between doing that and in standing up for yourself and kind of being like, yo, that was fucked up and like, you know, like, sure, fine. We didn't have like a deep history,

but you kind of played me. And you and you copped out on all the things that you kind of went back on. How do you manage that personally? I would say like one thing I really pride myself on is my communication skills with everybody in my life. Like I'm completely honest, even if it hurts with people about my feelings because I just kind of grew up that way. Like that's just how my parents taught me to communicate with people and go about situations. So you don't leave anything unsaid or you don't leave things bad with anybody. So I feel disappointed and like everything that like has happened. And I think, yeah, so I think if it's like really bad, really bad, I don't give people grace and I stand up for myself.

but if it's something that like you know sometimes people say things or like you know I grew up with sisters so like I've been called every single name in the book that you could possibly ever think and so for me I nothing really hurts me like I have really thick skin when it comes to like things people say or like maybe an incident that like you know I just like think I don't have to like say anything I can sometimes just distance myself from that person but like with the situation that happened, I just, like, kind of felt really disrespected. And I, you know, I didn't, I couldn't give grace because it was, like, not appropriate for me to do that. Did you ever feel like you got genuine acknowledgement and accountability from Pepe when you stood up for yourself?

No, I don't. What was some of his excuses? well, he just, like, didn't, like, take accountability for what he did. And that was just upsetting for me because I know the truth. You know, like, maybe I don't, like, share every receipt in the world because I'm not that type of person. I'm not going to do that, you know? Like, I'm not going to bash somebody, but I know the truth.

And, like, whether or not anyone, like, believes that or believes that or believes. believes him or believes me, it doesn't matter to me because I know what I've been through and I know what I know. And it's like, I don't need like to prove myself, you know. Hannah surprisingly got like a lot of negative feedback for standing up for you. Like, how hard was that for you to watch knowing that she's like such a genuine friend to you? Hannah is one of my greatest friends. And she is one of the best people that I've ever met in my life. And she is, you know, she's the type of friend that will always have her friend's backs, you know. Love her so much.

And I feel so sad for her that that is happening. And she does not deserve any of that at all. What's going on? And, you know, people are seeing, like, it's so frustrating because it's like what we film in a show is like, how many hours are we there for, like, 10? an hour sometimes and it's like you're seeing two seconds so you there's things that we we do like confessionals we say so many things and it's like it only gets chopped up into two seconds and then like people run with it you know and it's like it's it feels unfair sometimes but I think like I just really hope that like you know people give people grace when it comes to you know all of us

What is Pepe's truth when it comes to, like, his version of what goes? But I'm sure he has his story of. Yeah, I don't know his story. I just know that, like, there was no accountability taken. And I would have appreciated accountability over. I mean, I feel like people will see what ends up happening. but, you know, it is what it is at the end of the day. It seems like, is Pepe have like a, like a strong support fan base that, like, is he?

Because I'm confused what it seems like, is he getting a lot of people defending him in general? I don't know. I mean, I feel like I'm honestly like don't even pay attention to like. Good on you? Yeah. I would say Pepe's like the villain of this. then. I would say that he's not on my algorithm and I just like I really just wish I was not interested I wish nothing but the best for everybody and you know it's it is what it is at the end of the day

and I'm in such a better place in my life than I was and I've moved on and you know I it kind of is what it is at this point you know. Jeremiah what do you hope? people get to know more about you as they watch this season unfold honestly i'm excited for them to see me you know with the guys of the show because honestly like my close guy friends from the villa aren't really on the show like you know jalen didn't do it nick didn't do it so it's like my really close friends from that i met on the violin aren't even on the show which i's like you know charlie so i'm really excited for people to see me and charlie um in palm springs we have a great moment i'm excited for that we ran into charlie nally and i uh really on larsmont yeah yeah yeah

a couple months ago. That's my guy, yeah. Is that, you know, it's, I'm just thinking back to Love Island. And just like that, you know, the, you had, you had Ace and Nick and Taylor. And they, you know, they, you know, they had that little trio. And you almost felt like, you know, you know, how you got voted off, almost the odd man out. And is there a bit of, you know, maybe it's you reading the internet, but a sensitivity of like, you know, because I've had this before. Like, I've always really valued my friends.

friendships with women. And I've always had a lot of great men friendships. But I'm, I've done both where, you know, sometimes early on that was almost portrayed as this like, I didn't know how to be friends with guys in a way, you know? And are you, are you reading into that where like you, is that something that's getting in your head where, you know, we watched Love Island and you had these three men like buddy up and they kind of like exiled you in a way and like, you know what I'm, does that make sense? Um, I never really got that. because one, Austin was there for me. Austin was, like, telling people about all the lies that were on my name

while I was on the date. And two, it's like I have such Nejohn, Spencer, Grant, Caleb, Cortez. I have amazing, amazing day-runs friends I've had for, like, eight years since college. We're going to Spain in July. Like, I have, like, day one brothers that I'm with, like, die for each other since college. So, like, when the people say, oh, girls this, girls that's, like, but I have, like, the best guy friends in the entire world. I know the Iggy, shout at Iggy.

So it's just like, and we do everything together, like, fly my hotel, Airbnb. So it's like, when that, that doesn't affect me because it's like, I have the best girlfriends in the world, sisters, brothers, parents, family. Like, my inner circle is the best part about me. So when it's like, oh, this and that, it's like, okay, cool. I met his guy friends too. And they're all. Oh, God, you did.

Yeah. We all went bowling and, like, they're super nice. Like, you do have a really good thing. Well, I was like, my first, you know, when I first went on reality TV, it was a group of of men who were just like, not my type of guys. You know, they were heavy drinking. They were just very like bros. And like I just didn't like particularly like,

I didn't become close, you know, close friends with them. But like you, it's just like I got a great group of friends. But on that show, I wish I was they too. Yeah, on that show the narrative was like, oh no, you know, he's not friends with any of these guys. And from the audience perspectives, these were the only men that existed in the world. You know, and it was like, well,

if you can't be friends with the only men that we are talking about, then you clearly can't. I mean, yeah, at the end of the day, like, Iris was the one that pulled me out from under. So it's like, of course, I'm going to be best friends of service. Yeah. Can I ask you guys what has been? Because obviously you get out of the villa, right?

And now this entire season that you've been living, we've all been watching. So you have to rewatch it. Did you guys rewatch your season? Of Love Island? Yeah. No. No? Really?

I messed up because I watched one episode. And I was like, oh, it's pretty accurate. But I didn't watch the others where they weren't accurate. So, yeah, I should have watched them all. I've talked to say, I think you guys, not maybe, maybe it's well past. But I think future Love Island people, I think they should. Because whatever you think is accurate or not accurate about what you watch, I can promise you, it's a lot more accurate than the shit fans clip about you guys.

Yeah, that's true. And get into your head and start, like, saying, like, they come up with their own narratives. And the time you guys leave the island, you have all these followers, and you have all these fan theories and, like, how they interpret it what you saw. And so if you don't watch it, you guys are living your Love Island experience to the lens of a fan who, literally has no idea how any of this shit works. And I honestly think that's bananas that you guys don't watch your shows. I think it's because we, like, lived it.

And so it's like, if we watch it, it is 30 hours of television. It's a long. That's assuming if you cannot go to the DMs and not read the comments, then don't, don't watch it. But I've seen too many people go on these shows and then react to what fans are telling them they watched. Oh, like React Live? Or, yeah, or just like. React in general.

Yeah, just react in general. Like, someone will send you a DM or someone will send you a clip from something else and they interpret it. And, like, you didn't watch and you'd be like, yo, they said, you know what I'm saying? That's not what happens there. You know? Yeah, I try not to like let that bother. Yeah, I gave up on explaining myself.

I'm really. I was like, I am who you say. I am. Right. Because it's like sometimes like when people form like a specific opinion about you, they're not going to change their mind. You know, like you can't make grown people change your mind. You know, and also I'm probably never going to be able to like meet them or like we're

never going to be able to meet them to like say that. So it's just kind of a thing where you just have to accept and just realize, you know what, my life is good and I don't like pay any mind to the negativity. So then what I was going to ask is kind of like, A, you guys lived a very interesting, specific experience living in that villa. And then now we're doing beyond the villa, right? So it's like two completely different filming styles and yet again. you guys are in a precarious situation where you're filming with exes, things that just like normal people don't have to do.

What's been like the hardest thing about filming beyond the villa and what's been like the hardest thing about like watching it come out versus Love Island? I feel like I guess like filming for such a long time and then like oh wow like my 24 hour or 12 hour day was cut up into two seconds. I'm like great. Like that was a lot of work, you know, for two seconds of my day. But it's, I guess it's just like the business, you know? So I feel like that was like, that's been hard. And also just like in the villa, like you don't know the time and you don't know what day it is. And that is almost purposeful, I feel like.

So that way, in no phone. So you don't like go, I'm tired. You know, I was fine. Like truly like I was tired. I mean, I was tired at the end of the. the day, but I feel like I was, like, not knowing the time or anything, I was doing pretty good. It's kind of fascinating to me, think about that, because, again, like, part of the reason why that works is because they're, they're reducing where you're spending your energy to

outside distractions, and then, and therefore you have more energy in time to focus on, on literally what's in front of you. And it is kind of fascinating just when you realize this, how much energy we do spend on outside things when, you know, our phone gives this, our phone gives the world access to us in a way that other people would never have access to us if we didn't have that relationship on our phone. It's just always kind of fascinating because like, yeah, it's, it's weird then when they take that phone away, but there's a, there's a level of like, it's almost for anything. That's kind of dope, you know, like, yeah. It is, it was kind of like nice not having a phone. And, you know, I, I, there was a point in my life

where I didn't even have a phone. So, like, I didn't think that that was going to ever happen again, but it was really like nice not to scroll or like not to talk. I mean, it was kind of, I miss my family, but it was kind of nice having like a little break and like just, that's why I feel like we all get really close is because like we kind of lean on each other there. And yeah, I think it's like a crazy experience. So what does your dating lives like look like right now these days like are you how's tj

are you good yeah we're we're dating we've been dating for I don't know I just I saw like Love Island like posted a reel and it was like if tj asking me to be his girlfriend and everybody was like

oh my god now you're you guys just started dating I'm like we have been dating for many months now but um everything's going really good and we are we have like the best relationship ever and um i can't even believe i met him on a dating show

how and where he doesn't live in l.A. right no he lives in Tampa okay so how do you guys make a long distance relationship work um well you know I travel for work he travels he comes here a lot for work as well so it kind of works out um but we we just like have been traveling back and forth and We haven't experienced any problems Of course we miss each other But I feel like during the filming too Like he was in L.A. a lot of the time So we really spent so much time together

That now it's like we're we need to get our like Our lives situated back at home and like you know Knowing how things played out with Pepe and knowing that You have this relationship with T.J. That you're really you seem genuinely excited about it. Is there any almost like man I wonder like

if you guys could have you and T.J could have captured that that relationship and that love that you guys have on Love Island does that ever do you look back you know and is there any frustration of wishing like you and T.J. would have ended up on Love Island

just to memorialize that relationship in a way where like now fans maybe respond differently because we didn't get to see it on Love Island or do you not give a shit? You know I just I feel like everything kind of happens for a reason and you know, it was played out the way it was supposed to, I guess. And, you know, I do, like, obviously wish T.J. didn't get voted out that night.

And that really sucked for me. But, you know, it's what happened and, like, there's no, can't change it, you know. Oh, yeah, what's your love like looking like? Bleak. Nah, no, I'm not dating no one, no. Can I ask you, I know that you said it was about the friendship, but like you and Andrina, what was the breaking point or what was the deciding factors to like why you guys wouldn't take a stab at a relationship? I can't speak on her part. I know for me personally, like I just love her so much as a friend.

You know what I'm saying? So yeah. But she's so beautiful. Yeah, she's the best. She deserves the entire world. I was like, but she already said the personality. I'm just saying. It's funny because, like, in the Friendsgiving scene,

like, I'm there for, like, 10 minutes and, like, oh, you're ignoring her. I'm like, I literally walked in and walked out. And the thing is, like, that was filmed months ago. Me and Andreina just kicked it, so I promise our friendship is good. And she feels like you get, you guys are on the same page. It's not like she's not confused about the status. Maybe, like, in some of the episodes, for sure,

but that was like four months ago. Like, right now we're probably like the best have ever been as friends. Okay. So if we watch it and they're seen, like, as of today, you guys are in a good place. Yeah, like we were never in a bad place. Like, yeah, we have some scenes where, you know, there's mixed signals, etc., etc.,

but it's like, no, we just went out a trip together. So, like, we're very good. How are you and Brian? Good, good, good. Okay. How do you feel about how he handled things with Amaya? The thing is I never even met Brian until way later. So I had no, like, yeah, I knew he had done something disrespectful,

but I couldn't, like, judge him because I don't know too much. But I've talked to Amaya a bunch about it, and I wasn't going to be like, oh, you know, F Brian, because I never even met him. So how can I say that? So it was always just like, okay, he's over there. And then I talked to Amaya. And then I actually just texted Brian when I seen the episode because he took such

great accountability, which means a lot to me as a man. So it was like, okay, I respect. By I text him, I really respect for what you did. This is why I knew he was always cool. Like him and Amaya are cordial, so what do I look like holding angst against that? Especially if we're cool. Like, I had a lot of fun filming with him. Like, it was cool.

It was a lot of fun. Okay. Yeah, so he doesn't seem like, yeah, he's owned it. Like, yeah, he disrespected her. and then he immediately recognized what he did, told her to her face, I did this wrong, I apologize, and they moved on, they squashed it. I really respect that.

Okay. Makes a lot of sense. We have the next season of Love Island coming up fairly soon. Do you guys have any FOMO? Describe FOMO. Just like almost like, you know, I imagine you have a lot of memories of flying to Fiji and the whole process and waking up in the villa

and like knowing that there's going to be a whole new cast of people, people doing that. Not that you necessarily want to go back, but does it make you think about that experience in a way that... Oh, yeah, for sure. And when I get the Snapchat memories of the airport in the hotel for sure. Yeah. It's nice, like, just being kind of, like, on...

In Fiji, in a beautiful house. And that... It was fun, but also, like, definitely don't... I personally don't have FOMO about it. Because I'm just, like, really in such a good place. I was going to say. You walked away with a great relationship. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Like, not at all. You know, like, I'm excited for the next season. And I hope that they, like, really enjoy their experience and, like, take every minute, you know, like, enjoy every minute of it. Because I could see why people miss hanging out with everyone in a fun house every day, you know. Deremia. Because obviously it's been done before. And obviously, Love Island, huge franchise across. international waters. If you got the call to either come back as a bombshell for US, would you do it?

And second part, if not, would you be a bombshell on a different franchise like Australia or UK? Or original cast. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, I don't even think they would let me bombshell because I know that it would like mess up some of the loading potentially. Never say never. I mean, we'll see. I mean, Rob was a bombshell. I was going to say I've seen people come back. Lucinda, like so many people have come back or like shown up on like, Australia two years after or whatever.

So I'm just wondering, like, would, if the relationship status stays bleak, would you be tempted by a call from Love Island? That's a great question. Perhaps. Perhaps. That's not enough. They're still all-stars, too. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, I don't know. I have mixed feelings about it. I would have, yeah, I have mixed feelings about it for sure. Final question before we let you guys go with the season coming up. And I thought of this question when hearing you talk about TJ and you reminded me how he got voted off and that whole drama. And this is no disrespect to the wonderful producers

who make a fantastic show. But if you guys had the opportunity to make some producer decisions for the upcoming season of Love Island, what's one piece of input that you would offer to the producers in a way that you think would make both the experiences of the cast better and the experience of the viewers a little bit better

because I think as viewers it sometimes feels frustrating at the end to like not really like you know like why why weren't why weren't you in TJ given every opportunity to explore that relationship it's called Love Island and yet it felt like it felt like it you know

that's not what we were right while we were getting you know and I'm just wondering would you guys have a have a note for a producer bring back movie night a thousand percent yes I had to find out I had to find out so much stuff that was said about me by my back that was just lies after the fact and I was just like and the viewers too so yeah bring back movie night for show remember that video we showed you when you first came on yeah wait what one was it the edit yeah yeah when it was like a snitch oh yeah no Nick Nick's free now

that's my dog but yeah that's crazy bro I would just say like bring back the public voting maybe because they Yeah, because we voted for each other a lot I don't think like the public ever voted besides like when Tjit went home at least when I was there You know? I think. I don't know

Yeah because I imagine when the cast votes It's very Well you feel like when the night Charlie got voted off Brothal's from the die That's like even though it was TV show That's still one of the worst nights of my life The night Charlie went home. Oh, my God.

Why is that? It's just you just feel like they're going to go get executed. Like, I don't know how to do. People like, they're like, oh, they're not really crying. We was dead-ass crying. Like, we were dead ass crying. And then a big ass bug came and hit Austin in the head. And then it cut.

So that's why we were laughing. So, like, people were like, oh, they still talk about that. Like, we were fake crying. We were dead-ass crying for like 10 minutes. And then a big ass like, giant bug. Like the biggest bug. Pops Austin literally in his forehead. And then we all started crying, like, laughing.

Because I think his head was like down. And they're like, you know. And then he started flipping out. So, yeah. No, the night, I tried to get out. Not a little one. Like, big, like this. I'm not getting even kidding.

Huge bug. And so that's why we go from crying to laughing because he literally couldn't make it up. How is Austin doing? He's recently, you know, been in the news because he's, you know, very vulnerably opened up about, you know, his struggle. He relapsed it.

Yeah. Have you been checking in on him? How's you doing? Yes, I have. I'm never one to leak, like, anything, like, text-wise, but I was talking to him late December, checking up on him, because I could sense something was amiss, you know,

and that didn't go well, you know. Like, it was not received well, so I was like, okay, you know. And then we filmed together. We were still good friends, and then he went out and, you know, went through heaven and came back. And then the second I saw he was back, you know, we chopped it up on the phone, so, yeah. Okay.

So he seems to be heading in the right direction. Yeah, yeah. We're wishing the best, texting him. Awesome. He's back on the right track. Awesome. Well, I could talk to you guys forever, but I know you have to get going

and I appreciate you guys taking the time. It's been fun to catch up with you guys, and I'm excited to see how things unravel on beyond the villa. It seems like there's a lot more, you know, if nothing else, you guys seem to be compared to maybe the last season, willing to share with us, you know, these experiences. I feel like maybe last season, I think it was hard to get that cast to open up. So it's been fun to see you guys do that.

And despite I know the challenges of how the internet interacts with you guys. But I appreciate you guys showing up. And I know it's never easy. But you guys are, we're such fans of you guys. It's been fun to see you guys in your journeys. And you guys really seem like great people. You know, I've been a huge fan of yours. And we got a chance to meet.

And it's like, and it's fun to see examples of how you can be entertaining and interesting without being overly dramatic and messy. And I think you guys both represent that in a really great. way. Yeah, those are the goal for Beyond the Villa, stay out the drama. That's like a goal. Eat, eat, travel, and then just support my friends. Bombshell.

Sorry, what? You're not going to let you bombshell. You're pushing for the bombshell. I push it. I'm pushing. Well, I think that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guests, Jeremiah and Iris. And thank you guys for watching. Do not forget to check out part one of Temptation Island reunion that dropped yesterday. And tomorrow,

part two of the Temptation Island Reunion is exclusive. here on the Vial Files. So be sure to check that out. If you are listening to the episode, check out the extended version on YouTube for you guys to be thoroughly entertained. All right.

See you guys tomorrow. Thanks for coming. Thanks for having us. Thank you.