The Viall Files - E1116 - Part Two: Temptation Island S2 Reunion | Exclusively on The Viall Files

Episode Date: April 24, 2026

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You are listening to this reunion on audio. Be sure to check out the extended video version exclusively on the Vile Files on YouTube where you can look at all the crazy reactions and intimate moments from the cast of Temptation Island. You'll be glad that you did, so be sure to check it out. Last time on part one of the Temptation Island Season 2 reunion. I still had that little bit of hope. And that shit failed. Have you been back in contact with Xavier?

So, well, we do have a video and so we wanted to play that for you. Mikey, you, I don't, I just want to be respectful at you like you cool. Part two starts now. I'm not sure if you wanted to step out or anything. No, we're good. Okay. Just as crazy. Hey, Sid, just wanted to say I'm thinking about you today and wish you're the best of three

you, you know, be yourself like you always are and you know you're going to be good. You know you got a kind, hard, gentle soul. And I'm moving for you. Do you feel like there is a chance that you and Xavier might become a real couple? So, you know, being that, like, on the show, like, we definitely found a real connection and that I've had time to, like, step back, focus on myself. I would say that there is a possibility in the future that you never know what could happen. What does need to happen for that to be a reality?

You know, I think we just need to take some time, you know, without the same. the cameras being in front of us and just really build a stronger connection outside of the villa. You know, a lot of it was encouraged by things that I had went through. And I feel like now, like, being able to have processed those and meet him where he is, I think that is exactly what I need to do to that now that I've focused on myself, I could see, you know, that connection happening outside of the villa. He did mention to us that he lives here in L.A. Are you planning on stopping by this place? You know, we actually have a few plans this weekend with like the whole cast and everything, everybody getting together.

So I'm like just might see him. Mikey, was that tough to watch or are you, would you be, like you really rooting for Xavier and Sydney like you say you are? I root for what's best for Sydney. Okay. If that's Xavier. Do you think he is what's best for Sydney? I think I think Xavier is exactly who he portrays to me. He's a great guy.

A thousand percent. I think he's a great individual. He's somebody who everyone can tell was raised correctly. A thousand percent. I'll never shit on him. I'll never talk down on that man. But at the end of the day, I mean, I can't be his best friend. He took one girl.

What you're talking about? I mean, that's just how it goes. I can't be best homies with the guy, but I can give him props on being a phenomenal individual. Because I don't play a hate. Like, that's the one thing I don't do. I don't play a hate. I can't do that.

I think what was kind of interesting about the video, I mean, it's short. It's not like this profession of love, but it's the little thing, you know? And I feel like that's something when watching Xavier back, he seemed to be willing to do those little things. Do you feel like in your next relationship, you will want to do stuff like that with someone that you feel as strongly as you felt for Sydney? Yeah, 1,000%. It doesn't, like something like that, that's something that doesn't put much thought. it's just who he is. You know what I'm saying?

So from watching their experience, from watching the arts and crafts and watching like the Jonas Brothers stuff, I was just like, wow, like that is like, like that's literally just who he is as a person. And that's a beautiful thing to see. So I truthfully have to figure out, well, I have figured out

what makes Mikey unique in those romantic ways. You know what I'm saying? Because I'll never take what he does because, no, I want to be who I am and display that to an individual and show them that I have all this love to give. I need another chance, Nick. I'd love. Come on, man. I need another chance to love. Yeah. Are your DMs open? Trust, ladies, wait. Tell me where I'm at. Where? Right there? Sure.

Oh, that's me? Ladies, listen. Oh, boy. Listen, ladies. I got all this love to give. And that'll do it for the temptation. Come on, man. I need it. I would love that. I have a girlfriend for real. I would love that. Do you want a girlfriend now already? No, I mean, no, no, no, not right now. I'm still working on, I'm only four months into therapy,

and we're finally getting somewhere good. So I want to create this individual of myself that I really want to be so that my next partner is like, oh my gosh, how did any girl leave you? Like, that's what I want for my next relationship, truthfully. What do you want to say to your future girlfriend? Listen, listen, my love. Don't watch this season.

You can watch this season because you'll see how much of an idiot I can be, but also how much I can love somebody with all my heart. That was deep. Beautiful. I'm sure she's stuck. If only you did that on the show. Well, I do want to appreciate you guys for being so open and honest. I know that wasn't easy for the both of you.

It's our first conversation we've had for months. Y'all got it. Y'all got it. Also, Meg, I do want to commend you. on being open about therapy. And as a young man, I just want to say good for you. It's not easy to always acknowledge that, but I think it's done a lot for me.

It's done a lot for our relationship. So good for you for putting in the work. I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm really written for you. All right, well, I think it's time to get to, Cheyenne and Jack. Two young lovers that after a moment of infidelity, a relationship of distrust was built.

And after some dicey bonfire footage, closed blinds, and some giant one-night flame. Oh my God. They both decided to choose themselves in the end. I knew she said it. I didn't. You saw it. No, you fucking said that shit, Shed.

I was saying his muscles were giant. No, we were. Yes, exactly. Thank you. Yeah. He is a giant fan. You noticed that under the covers? Like when I was like cuddling, yeah.

Okay. What was the energy like when the two of you got home? I know y'all shared two dogs, who took the dogs. I picked her up from the airport, actually. surprising. You picked her up from the airport. He waited for me at the airport. I waited for actually, because we were on two separate flights. And we didn't have a conversation after we got out of the villa. So we waited until we got home. I picked her up. We had a conversation. And it went on and on. We basically just decided that it was best for the both of us just to grow and heal from

everything that we went through and be as mutual as possible just based off the time we spent together. Is the reason that y'all didn't have a conversation until after you got back home was because you were with Carter? Correct, yes. Okay. Was that hard to know that he stayed back with Carter another day? No, because I was with Preston, so it was just like, tip for tat. Okay. That seems to kind of be the theme of your guys' relationship. Yeah, I think that's the whole story. Okay. Okay, this is T. Oh. So after we got done filming, I'm like in a separate hotel. They like, obviously me and Jack weren't allowed in the same hotel.

And I escaped security and I Ubered to Jack's hotel. And I told the front desk, I'm like, I left my passport in my boyfriend's room. Like I, someone needs to connect to me because he wouldn't answer the phone. And so what, what did you got to say? Was this when I was on FaceTime? Yeah. Oh. Go ahead.

Yeah. And they connected me to his room. And I'm like, hey, motherfucker, I'm downstairs. Like, are you going to come down here so we can chat? And you just hear, like, in the background, like, no, no, please, no. Or whatever. I don't know what the fuck y'all had going on there. But he was there.

Yeah, in the room, you could hear. Yeah. And so he wouldn't come downstairs because he was too scared. And so I started knocking on, like, the doors. I was crashing out, okay? And basically that's all that happened, though, because the, I got escorted out of the hotel. So he never opened up the hotel room door?

Oh, no, they took me immediately to the airport. Yeah, they put him on lockdown as they should. For his safety? Yeah. So what were your intention? Yeah, because I heard you on the phone. I just wanted to chat. You didn't sound like a chat, Cheyenne.

When I was on FaceTime, would have sounded. I just wanted to chat. What was it that you wanted to say? I just, like, I feel like we should have been able to have a conversation after the final bonfire without cameras. and like just one-on-one, like, let's talk this out. Like, let's, I don't feel I needed to wait until we got back to Kansas City to have a conversation.

And so that's ultimately what I was coming there for. And did it piss you off that he wasn't coming downstairs? Or did it piss you off that he was up there with Carter? It pissed me off that he wasn't coming downstairs. I could honestly care less that he was up there with her because I'd already seen everything I needed to see. So that was like not really the problem to me. It was more of just like...

The betrayal. You can't, yeah, you can't come downstairs. and have a conversation, which, I mean, emotions were high. Maybe it's probably a good thing he didn't come downstairs because I don't think the conversation in that moment probably would have gone very good. What did you want to say? What the fuck is wrong with you? That's what I wanted to say.

Do you regret not coming downstairs or do you agree with her that I probably wouldn't have been a productive conversation? Looking back at it, my mindset was like she's going to be off the rails. Like, she's going to freak out. and we're in a whole different state. And basically everyone that worked the show was gone. And none of the guys were there. So really, I only had the people I was with.

And I regret not going down there, yes. But in that moment, it wouldn't have been the smartest decision just based off the emotions coming from behind it. I just wanted to avoid it and wait until I got home. Is that kind of a pattern that you guys had throughout your relationship of kind of these extreme highs and extreme lows of kind of pushing each other's buttons? Yeah, that's been...

Yeah, I mean, let me say something. I push her buttons a lot. And, I mean, I can't even give you an example. Little shit, you know? I just, like, annoy her or something. And you knew it would annoy her? Not necessarily. Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah.

He loves a reaction. Like, he loves a good reaction out of me. And where do you think that comes from? I have no idea. I don't know. Did you guys, when you finally picked her up and had a conversation, did you guys fully open up into all the things that went down? You both seemed to really take advantage of the tempters and the temptresses that you guys are interacting with. Yeah.

Yeah. So whenever I got off the flight and we had the conversation, it was just more of like, you need to tell me everything that you did. I'll tell you everything that I did. And I will say, like, he told me more things that happened on the show that weren't shown. So from, like, what I know about, like, how he acted in the house, like, there's a lot more, like, shit that he did that didn't get shown that I know about. And I obviously told him everything. But I think in that moment, I was just like, you need to get your shit. Like, you need to go.

Like, I wanted nothing to do with him, like, right off the island. It wasn't until like, I would say, a month. A month or two, maybe, Meg, almost two. Where were we just like, yeah, go. We, like, weren't talking, whatever. And then he was just, like, shy, can we have a conversation? Like a legit, like, sit down. Let's have a conversation.

Let's talk this out. And that's whenever we had a talk about a month later. And I would say that conversation was productive. That's where we kind of came to the conclusion. like Jack was like I still like want you like in my life like I still want to be friends with you and I still like want that you know like not relationship like he still we still wanted to be like friends and on that page we've been together for so long that I think that that's the best and that's where we kind of just came to the conclusion of everybody from the show needs to go what did you guys do I'd love to hear I think everyone would love to hear what actually happened in terms of the physical boundaries that you both crossed. go first. Okay. I just, like, kissed everyone in the fucking house. Like, honestly. Like, not everyone. Well, I'm not there yet. On the show, I didn't have sex in the tent. I didn't have sex in my room. The last date that wasn't shown on the show is where I had sex with Carter.

Okay. And what about Jacenia? Nope. Just made out. I mean, we didn't do anything else other than that. Do you think oral sex is sex? Oh, no, I didn't have oral sex. Okay. Did you suck her? No. She said you did. I sucked her toes. She said that's why in the Temptation Haven she said that turns me on so much is because you were sucking her toes.

Well, the night of the Temptation Haven actually, I'll get into this night, actually. This was my best, probably my best night. I needed a trophy for this one. Before going to the Temptation Haven. Oh, Clint. Climps.

No, it's okay. No, because I was so fucked up that night that I actually had a crash out that wasn't on the show. Oh, you did. I know that. I actually, this was the one time in the show that I was going to cry, or that was going to be shown me crying.

And it was probably the worst one. And I just remember the guys around me, like, freaking out. I don't know. I mean, I would wake up in the mornings and be like, I don't fucking remember what I did last night. Is it true you face-planad right before you went into the temptation even? Yeah, I did. He did. There were times when I actually did put him to bed, though, and then

I would go live my life, and then he would disappear and go do something else. So, like, I can't, like, police someone. Like you get what I'm saying like Shianian, we did. They tried. We tried our hardest to take care of time. Like, why did, it's also Jack's choice to be drinking that much. Exactly. You're making that decision because it wasn't like people were forcing him to

Yeah. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying like, we were never like that. That's true. Like all of us, like we were cut off. I just don't understand. I feel like it was completely different. We never got like hammered. We told the producers. We would tell them. Actually. We said. It was so bad to the point that I actually got all over a house cut off for four days of alcohol.

And they would try and cut you off. But I almost just feel like it's just like that's your, that's my own fault. We had this conversation when we went into the house. Correct. Our conversation was, because you have done, like, this has been a problem in our relationship,

the alcohol and doing fucked up shit, right? We had that conversation of don't let yourself get to that point. And you got to that point. So at some point, like, yes, you can see both sides, but at the end of the day, like a lot of it does fall on you. But at the same point, like, it all falls to me. It all falls to me. It all falls to me.

So was him not drinking a boundary you guys tried to set prior to coming in? Yes. Like, the very last thing that I said to him when we said bye to each other, I literally looked at him. We're holding hands. I'm crying. I'm like, whatever you do, do not get fucked up. Like, please, like, control yourself and do not get fucked up. And that completely went out the window.

What? The second day. Yeah. And you're saying it got so bad that they did cut you guys off. Oh, they go. Even the girls couldn't drink. Yeah, for like four days. I was getting bitched that for days on in because it was living hell.

So I just went up. They tried to keep you accountable. It wasn't like you were being let out of control. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. No, they did try to keep us accountable saying like, no, you guys. Once it got bad.

Yeah, once it got bad. Yeah. Oh, what were you going to say? Oh, nothing. I'm just talking to the girl. Until we switched houses and then we drank all their alcohol. We definitely drank all their alcohol when we switched house. Yeah, when we did the villa swap, we stole.

Yeah, we did your guises too. Oh. Why do you think it didn't take long at all for you to just kind of forget every conversation you had with Cheyenne about your boundaries once you got into the villa? I think, you know, honestly, another thing. I mean, I just honestly think it was hearing the bonfires and hearing how the way she was talking about me. But at the same time, it wasn't necessarily what she was saying. It's everyone around me that's hearing that. and then everyone in my ear saying,

you don't deserve this. But you knew that was going to happen. That's the point of fucking temptation island. I let the manipulation gets me. I let people's words get to me. I let my brain just be like, hey, you're going to do it. And there's no regrets in that moment.

From the time that I kissed Carter, I knew because before we went on to the show, she told me, like, if I broke any boundary, she's going to give Netflix a show. So when I knew that I kissed, no, straight up. I knew when I kissed Carter, Thank you.

I was going to wait. I knew that I fucked up, and then I had the conversation with the guys the next day, and then I saw what she did, and then my brain, right then and there was like, okay, what do I do?

Everyone around me is like, dude, it sounds so stupid, but I'm just like, I'm listening to everyone around me. That's the saddest part about it. Were you hammered when you kissed Carter the first time? Yeah, 100%. I never was sober doing anything with anyone.

But you were conscious enough to know to get out of, of the way of cameras and turn off the lights so that it wouldn't be shown to Cheyenne. So the way it's shown in the show is not what actually happened. It actually happened in the confessional. It didn't happen in the bedroom.

No, they showed it in the confessional, but they showed you getting up from in front of the cameras, turning off the lights, and standing what it seemed like out of frame so you couldn't be clipped. I mean, honestly, if you would be frank with you, like, I've only watched three episodes of the show. I haven't even watched it.

that I have no idea. Yeah, so that's how it happens. So you were sober enough to realize, hey, I don't want Cheyenne to see this, let me move out of camera and turn off the lights. You were conscious enough of that. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to say, yeah, because it's better to not look like a bad person on the other end.

But you were in the photo booth after, because that's when Lulu told me that you did something, and I walked up to you and I said, if that's the step you're going to take you gotta stand on that and you looked at me and he was just like we're here

and I looked him in his eyes he was fucked up like I'm not going like I gotta defend him on that like when he looked up at me and I told him like if you're gonna go do some foul shit you gotta stand on that shit Jack

and what did you say he was like oh we're here and I was just like he's fucked up like I looked in his eyes I was like he's not here no it's like sad because like

even some of my confessionals like my eyes were rolling in the back of my fucking head I'm just like dude I don't even remember I hated it there. It was terrible. I honestly was awful. It seemed to the opposite. Exactly. No, like, I'm gonna be straight up. It was awful. Once I fucked up, it was the worst experience in my fucking life. I felt like I was targeted every fucking day to do some bullshit.

I was the only dude that in the house that did some shit. Like, I mean, like, come on, dude, we're on a TV show. Once someone fucks up, they're gonna push you to do other shit. So, what did I do? I fell for the bullshit and I did it. And now I'm, I'm, sitting here right now. So you're blaming the producers for your cheating and not I'm blaming myself. No, I'm blaming myself for the cheating but I'm also it's also the people pushing me and the people in my ears in that moment and like the emotional distress that we're all going through and like I can't even explain it dude it's not real life to anyone that's watching this. It's really not like everyone in this room has experienced it everyone from last cast experienced it

no one would ever understand. But, Cheyenne, seeing the kiss or hearing the kiss that happened with Carter and the confessional, that was it for you. That's all you needed to see

for you to be completely done. Yeah, I told, like he said, I told him going into the experience just because we've had our issues obviously before we went. So it was just like, you know the way that

the first time made me feel. So if you go out of your way to go do it again to me, it's over. Like, I'm going to, as childish as it is, and yes, maybe I shouldn't have reacted the way that I reacted, and I shouldn't have immediately went to go get my lick back or whatever people, or whatever, you know, I said. Yeah, I did. So it's fine. It's whatever. But yes, in that moment, like,

right whenever I saw it, I was just like, it's game on. Like, he's about to get what he deserves, and that's what I did. Oh, and it's because it's interesting when we started this whole reunion. and you, like you said, you knew he was going to do what he did. Yeah. Did you think it was going to be? But I still had a little bit of hope. No, I understand that, but did you, it doesn't seem like you said that because of his drinking. You said that because of how you know he moves in the relationship.

Like when me and Jack were together in like our relationship and we spent every single day together and we were with each other, that is not like how Jack is. time that Jack has gone out of his way to cheat or whatever, went out to the club with his friends, got fucked up, cheated on me, right? So it's like, he's not the same person when he's sober and it's me and him. Like, it's just completely different. So I don't know, it happened. There's no excuses. Like, it happened. So it is what it is. I mean, to be honest, it's, I kind of empathized with you guys because, like, I think we all know what it's like to have our first love. It's hard to quit that person, you know? And there's always like there's this love, but there's this toxicity. And it did seem like almost a good thing while you guys did things that hurt each other,

you guys leaving the island alone, I feel like made a lot of sense to the viewers, to us, even to you guys. Yeah. But I'm hearing you guys both, especially you, trying to like defend it and almost take it back in a way that you feel like you almost regret how it all went down. Yeah, I just, I do, like, Jack has. obviously I said it on the show. He's been the only guy I've been with for five years. So after I went and I did what I did, it's like it didn't make me feel good. Like I didn't hook up with Preston after and be like, oh my gosh, I'm on top of the world. Like that was the best thing ever.

Like, in fact, it was the complete opposite. Like right after I hooked up with him like immediately when I got into the confessional, I was just crying. I'm like, I just feel bad. Like that's not how I should have gone about it. But I wasn't going to sit here and let him play in my confess. face on Netflix, just not going to happen. That's real. Jack, you said to the guys that she kept bringing up the time that you cheated,

but what we didn't know was that she had actually been the one to cheat first. Can y'all talk a little bit about that? Yeah, so two years into me and shy and dating, she just went out with a friend, got drunk and kissed a guy, and came home that same night and told me and was on honest about it and didn't lie about it was so truthful. I was just like, you know what, it's going to be okay. But that started all from a huge, a huge fight of us like literally screaming at each other like, fuck you. And that's whenever I went out with my friends. I had never gone out with just my friends without you before that. So it's no, it's no excuse for what I did.

But then, yes, I did. I went out. I kissed someone. And then I immediately left and I came home and I told Jack and I was like, it happened. Either we're going to move past it. or we need to end the relationship now, I want you to decide. And he was just like, I want to stay with you. Like, it's not something that is going to end the relationship.

So we got past that. And then it's just like, after that happened, it was, he just kept going. Like, he just kept being a piece of shit. And that's where it's like,

we never have came to, it's always, it was shown in the show. Like, it's always we're going, like, for each other. Like,

if, if I, something, he's going to do something back. If he does something back, I'm doing something. Like, it's just a very toxic, it was a very toxic relationship. And I mean, I feel like a lot of people understand as crazy as it seems, but I think a lot of people have been in a super toxic relationship like how ours was. And I mean, I think people can see and understand how we kind of moved the way we moved and why we did the things we did essentially. So how soon after you kissing the guy, did he go home with the girl?

I would say, what, a few months? Oh. Yeah, yeah. I'm not going to lie, the way it made it seem on the show, like it was like back to back. Like it was like, oh yeah, she kissed somebody, then boom, Jack went and went to go fuck somebody. You know what I'm saying?

Like, yeah, they made it, like, I really feel like the show really portrayed Jack as this fucking evil person, and Jack is not a evil fucking person. Well, the show does only show what they are given. Exactly. No. Yeah. They can't make him say things or make him do things. And he's such a loving guy. And the stuff that he would say about Cheyenne in the house and I know he fucking cheated.

And I told him he was wrong about it. All of the guys told him he was wrong about it. But we also asked him his perspective because he spoke so highly of Cheyenne. And that's why when we got out of the house and everything, like I felt like I knew Cheyenne based upon the conversations that he was having with me. So it's like I don't want the world to feel like Jack did not love Cheyenne. He did love her. I don't think anyone doesn't feel the love. Yeah, because it's there.

I would agree with you. And I know this is all, like, new for you guys. Maybe not you. You've been on reality TV before. But, like, I empathize you with you guys. I've been in your shoes. It's hard. You guys, I'm sure the DMs are open.

People are saying nasty shit to you guys. But I can assure you, like, no one thinks anyone here is an evil person. And that's what I love about this show. Because, again, like, is salacious as, like, the premise sometimes feels, like, this show really is about love and relationships and working through your problems. and in a very unconventional way, testing your guys' relationship. Like, I didn't see a piece of shit or an evil guy in Jack. I saw a young man, like, working through some shit. But that doesn't mean you can't be accountable for your actions,

and it doesn't mean you can't grow from that. So I think it's sometimes a little heavy to go down to, like, oh, he's not an evil guy. Like, we know that. Like, we're not trying to figure out whether Jack is evil. We're just trying to figure out, like, what you guys have learned from this experience. But I also want to talk about, like, obviously, Jack is the one who brought me to Temptation Island. He's the one who wanted to do this experience. And so after months of convincing me, we came up with the decision of, listen, if you want to go on to the show and you want to air out the dirty laundry that you've done in the relationship, that's fine.

But I don't want to go on the show. So at the end of the day, that's not coming out. So if you want to go on this show and you want to bring up problems that we've had, you can bring up your problem. I'm not doing it because I don't it was his idea he wanted to go on it so I almost feel like Correct me if I'm wrong, but The reason that you had to go and bring that up after we had already talked about that multiple times is because you knew you fucked up And so you thought it was gonna make you look like a better person to go and bring up Shit we agreed wasn't gonna get brought up correct you looking at me like I'm a lie

I'm just saying like that's you didn't if that was the case we would have brought this up when Mark's introducing us all. We would have brought that up, but you waited until you're thinking in your head like, fuck the world's going to hate me. Like, everybody's going to look at me as a cheater. So I'm going to go ahead and bring up what Cheyenne did, even though you knew, like, going into this when we decided we were going on Temptation Island that that wasn't something. I mean, it's whatever. I can, like, I don't, I don't care. Like, it happened. It is what it is, but it's just like you can't, you couldn't even stand on, like, the simple-ass, like, boundaries that we had set. Like, you just totally blew them out the water. And it's like,

you already broke the boundaries with being physical. So it's like, why break the boundaries with other shit that we say? I just, that's something that I just didn't understand. Yeah, that's, yeah, it's true. Do you think there's a part of you consciously, subconsciously, that you brought Cheyenne to Temptation Island to ultimately end the relationship? Because deep down, you felt like maybe you two weren't right for each other? No, I mean, no. I don't know. I would not say yes to that no i don't i don't think that's why i brought her there because genuinely i went in there with the intentions to be loyal and to show her that i loved her it's just that that's not the way it went i can't change anything but all i can do is just be better every single day and show her that

you know no matter if she's you know who knows what's going to happen down i didn't spend six years with her for no no reason but at the same time i want her to be happy and at that in that moment we weren't happy no i hear that i mean that every time you said that on the show. I mean, I understood you. It's like, no one watched you guys and thought, I want something like this, but we also, no offense. You know. And not too much. But we've been, listen, I've been, like, we've all had that first love. And like, love is a

powerful thing, you know, you don't learn how to drive getting in a Ferrari. You know what I'm saying? And that's sometimes what love. is like. It's like getting into a high-powered car not knowing how to drive, and then we get surprised when we crash and burn. So I think everyone has a lot of empathy for you guys. But at the same time, every step of the way, it just seemed like you wanted out of this relationship. Yeah, honestly, I think we both wanted out of the relationship. I think... She did not seem like she wanted out of the relationship. Well... She didn't. Yeah. Jack, I literally, I'm not coming for you. Like I'm just saying, listen.

I'm gonna my mouth shut. Jack, fucking listen. I, you guys can back me up on this. I went into the house and I was literally standing 10 toes for you. Like, the guys would try and talk to me, and I would literally tell them to get away from me. Like, they would try and have a conversation with me, and I would be like, I don't care, it's not Jack. Like, it's not Jack, though. Like, I was standing for you so hard.

So for you to sit here and say that I didn't want to be. be with you. It's just like that it just, you know that's not true. Something that was like the big catalyst and I'm not excusing what he did or blaming it on us when I say this, but something, the very first bonfire he saw

was you on that boat with that guy and you were like talking a bunch of shit. Okay, but Jack didn't bring up to you guys that he's the one who told, he literally said whatever you do, go in here and talk as much shit as you want to talk. Just don't get physical. I know. I'm just

explaining like what happened, like how it went down on the show. We saw that in the bonfire. We gave Jack a really hard time of like, wow, how do you let her talk about you like that? And Jack's like, that's just how it is with us. And we gave him a ton of shit. Not that we pure pressured him or anything, but that was like a, I think one of the driving forces in it is we were like, she doesn't seem like she likes you. She doesn't respect you. Doesn't respect you. So why was you to do with somebody who doesn't respect you? Yeah. He's a rush is our relationship. You know, he's a grown nice man and he made his decisions, but I'm just saying that was like a component. That's crazy.

Why it happened. Do y'all regret putting your opinions onto their relationship? Thousand percent. Yeah, maybe. Thousand fucking percent. Because knowing now, I feel fucking bad for it because I talked, they didn't show it in the house. I talked to Jack, we talked every damn day.

And I'm over here like, shit, she calling you broke. I don't know. Like hearing, hearing a woman talk down on a guy that she really loves, like. I will say though, like, well, I think alcohol is kind of a weak excuse for bad behavior. Real. Real. I do think, you know, in relationships, and we've talked about this, and I think this was

kind of a theme with this cast, I do think men don't realize how hard it is to hear your partner talk bad about your character, whether it's saying he's acting like a sociopath or whatever. And I think, you know, when Sidney for a moment was she kissed Xavier, and your first response was, I'm going to fight for this woman. You actually, for the first time, like the season opened up, you're flirting with Trace Amigas, you're doing all this thing. You saw her make out with a man, and I'm like, oh, he loves Sydney.

And I thought that was very interesting that you watched your girl cross a physical boundary, and yet you fell more in love with her. And yet then the next bonfire, she was kind of talking down on you, and that's when you, like, lost some respect for Sydney, or you seemed more angry with her. Hell yeah. And so I guess what I'm saying is it's like, do you think, a little bit, you clearly had every right to be frustrated with Jack, but do you think you have spoken to him in a way that damaged your relationship? Yeah. I don't think that me and Jack have been

the most respectful to each other as we should have been in the relationship. And yeah, I don't know. We should have talked to each other nicely and hyped each other up more and, you know, been that person for each other. But I think it just got to a point where we were spending so much time together and we were with each other every single day, all day, every day, that it kind of just got to a point where it was like, I don't know, we just both. Like we were just fighting like brother and sister. Do you feel like she respected you? Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, we both respected each other. Obviously when you have those bad moods and you're, you know, you're frustrated with your partner. You know, we both get a little antsy and say

things you don't mean. But I mean, overall, of course, I feel like we both respected each other when it was really, really good. We actually gave you shit also on the show. It sounds like we gave you a lot of shit. But we also gave you shit for not standing up for yourself, it felt like at times. And I know it's weird because the whole show, like we only live one side of it.

We don't live their side. And so like inevitably the entire time, we're like, you know, us against them, like screw the girls. But anyways, we gave, not a screw the girls, but you know what I mean? Like, we're living our truths and we don't see you. But we, you know. we would give you shit because we would

literally be at a bonfire. It would be a clip of her like getting railed by Preston and you and you would just be like good for her like I love her. That shit. Because he didn't want to look like a hypocrite. No that shit pissed us off bro. We didn't go on a show to just talk highly of each other 24-7. We wouldn't

be on Temptation Island if we didn't just only have nothing of positive things to say about each other. We felt like moral high ground because we're like we're not going to talk bad. We're not talking bad about our girls. That's not That's just how we felt. And we also told the girls too don't talk down on our girls.

They knew that. Yeah, and they did it. But I'm telling you right now the only reason that Jack reacted the way he reacted whenever he saw that happen is because he knew he knew he did not want to look like a hypocrite.

Deep down, you know that shit fucking hurt. It killed me. Okay, so you were just, you were putting on a show the entire fucking time. Like, you weren't being your genuine self and like showing your genuine emotions. Like you were putting on this front

So that way you could protect yourself in the long run when it came to social media and what people were going to think of you. That's why he went about it the way he went about it. He didn't want to seem like... I didn't want to seem like a grant, dude. But no, but doesn't it, I, we all feel like it looks bad when you see Cheyenne getting fucked. Can we stop? I'm saying when we're seeing Cheyenne do what she was doing and your only emotion is like we're happy for, like I'm happy for like that we was all like what the fuck. We had bigger reactions to that shit than you.

So it kind of had us like... We gave you shit. We gave you bad shit for that shit. What was like, what the fuck is this? In that moment in the villa, I just, there was no... I had no room to judge what Cheyenne was doing. I mean, I feel like I was in the wrong. I had already done what I had done.

Like, I had already hurt her. And it was like five days in. And like, the fact that I had to, like, let Cheyenne go through the amount of time we were there at the very beginning. And on top of that, she just met the girls. And it's like, I don't know how she's doing. So I'm sitting there like... I don't know.

Why didn't you guys, instead of giving him shit, why didn't you just, like, man to man, just, like, sit him down and try to, like, have a heart to heart rather than, like, give your boy a hard time. When I say give shit, I feel like that's kind of what I meant. I thought we did, like, we did that. It's just, it felt like Jack was...

But it was, like, Jack shitted on himself in the house, where he always kept saying, I'm not good enough, I'm not good enough. And that shit would piss the three of us off because we're like, bro, where fuck are you getting this shit from? But then finding out now that Cheyenne is so fucking supportive of him and all this other shit, it's like, why are you shitting or stuff like that?

You know what I'm saying? But isn't there a way to like hold your friend accountable while still supporting him? We never were like, oh, good job cheating. Like we did help. We held him accountable. They did. But at the end of the day, he like took it for the team. Like at the end of the day, he was giving Netflix like what they wanted from Temptation Island.

So it's like, you guys aren't going to sit there and be like, what they're. the fuck are you doing? I saw, like, you're... The first time Jack cheated, like, if I saw him, I was asleep when the soul went down. But if I was there and I saw him starting to do bad, I would have grabbed him by the shoulder and not let him do that. But once I woke up next morning, he already cheated. And while it's like, I already cheated, like, I'm not going to go...

You already cheated. I'm not going to, like, try to condone him now when he's already done it, you know? Not to condone him, but, like, you can just ask him, like, why do you think you did that? I did that. Like, it... This is the thing. It's like... It hurt bad enough to see him cheat the first time,

but then it's like, it just kept getting worse and worse and worse and worse. And the clips that I saw at the bonfire, half of them were cut out. Like... From the show. Yes, half of them were cut out from the show. So it's like, what I saw, like,

it's almost you guys could have... Whatever happened happened at this fucking point. I really don't care. But you guys could have, like, just been like, Jack. Like, why would, Mikey, why would you be like, go all in then? Like if you're gonna cheat, go all in. Like, at some point you could have been like, you fucked up.

Like, take a step back and really think about what the fuck you're doing. You've spent six years with this girl. Like, really, really think about what you're doing instead of just being like, it's a fuck fest. Did I not say that? You did. They did. I just didn't listen. And I'm gonna say this for all three of them.

They did. It was a mentality, too, that like you guys were kind of both single once you both, like, cheated and like you're now exploring yourself. Because I reminded him. of the shit you said on the first day we met. You said, if you fuck up, it's one of those ones. You get what I'm saying? You said, it's up. And I said, you remember, it's up.

Why were you, it seemed like you were more invested in their relationship than you were around. Because it was just the fact that, like, looking at Jack was just like, we felt bad. Like the way Jack would, like, I've never seen a grown man talk down on himself before. Like, to really shit on yourself constantly. Okay, but you know Jack in real life now. And that's not, Jack doesn't, he doesn't talk down on himself. Okay, so why all of a sudden he's talking down on himself on the show?

Probably to make himself fucking look good. I don't really know because Jack that's not who Jack is. Jack is confident as fuck. Exactly. He's a very, like he's very, he knows who he is. He knows he's a good-looking guy. Like he knows all of this. So it's like why all the sudden Jack, like when we've been in this relationship for so long,

you haven't ever talked down on yourself like that? So why in the house are you all of a sudden talking down on yourself? I just don't get that because that's never been a thing in our. relationship. Like, if anything, you've always been the guy that's like, you know who the fuck you are. Like, you've always said that. So it's just hearing them say that you were talking down on yourself acting like you're not good enough. Like, that's crazy to me because I've never heard that before. I just think it was by the emotions in the house. I mean, I do, I can't even recall the, like I said, I haven't watched this fucking show. So I can't even recall the bonfire, but I just know with

some of the stuff you were saying in the bonfire that, it I don't know like it's like I told them it's all stuff I've heard but it's all stuff I've heard when we were super mad at each other

it's like you're talking to another fucking man and like I just like I don't know and then the way that which you probably checked him after he said I was broke

but I mean I didn't know if you checked him because it just cut off and then but like seriously like me calling you broke like dude

that's a reason to cheat Like I just I don't understand that There's no no there's no don't don't say there's that's reason That's not a reason Okay then what the fuck? There's no first of all There's no You just said that the reason that you went and moved the way you moved in the house Is because you saw

What I said offended you Yeah you're right I cheated and Yeah I don't know Okay that's it Do you think you mean just Do you think you have some insecurities about yourself You haven't fully tackled No. I think I figured all those insecurities out after me and Shian broke up.

What were those insecurities? I mean, first of all, not being able to be alone. I couldn't do things on my own. Okay. My overall body, I got, I started running and fucking working out and, like, losing weight again and, like, actually, like, focusing on myself and putting time towards myself after the show. And... Did you? Because last I checked, whenever you got back from the show, all you were doing was constantly getting fucked up. And then when we finally sat down and had that conversation,

I sat there and I told you like, this isn't... You're good. No, it's not that I'm good. I'm speaking the fucking truth. I'm speaking the truth. Talk to it. And we had that conversation and I have done nothing. Like I have multiple times in this relationship is push you to be a better fucking version of yourself.

And you can't seem to accept that I have done that for you. You have. Okay. So why couldn't you have said it? Why is it? Why can you say it now to my face? But you couldn't have said it whenever I'm behind closed doors. It's like, you know.

know when you got back from that show, you were doing nothing but getting fucked up and turning back into the old version of Jack that you weren't before you went on to that show. And then we finally decided we're going to continue to be in each other's lives. We're going to be friends. We're going to be support systems for each other, whatever. And I'm the one who's like texting you every single day like, hey, like, how are you doing? Like, did you go on your run? Like what, like, is everything good? Right?

So it's like, I just, I don't understand. Like, you didn't do that. You fell right back into your old habits. And the first thing you told me when you got off the island, you want to know what the first thing you told me was? Do you remember? Nope. I don't remember.

Even the island. Okay. Well, the first thing you told me when you got off the island was, you know the one thing I learned? I said, what did you learn? You said that I'm going to smoke weed and I'm going to do whatever I want, when I want, and you're not going to tell me otherwise. Correct.

That's fine. That's fine. But you fail to remember that the reason that I don't want you to do, you can do whatever you want, bro. You can smoke weed. You can do that. That doesn't bother me. But I'm not saying that in a way that's like, I want to tell you what to do.

I'm trying to just like help you grow and like help you. Like I want you to realize that like you could be so much more because you have that potential. But when you're constantly drowning yourself with things that don't help you, like it's hard to be the best version of yourself. But you take everything that I say and you take it in such a bad way. and that's not how I like am trying to make it seem like I don't want to my goal was to never give you rules or to tell you what to do or what not to do it's just like I want you to be like the best version of Jack and I feel like I have done that for so long in the relationship but whenever it comes to me and like pushing me I don't get that it's just like why don't you do it with me

type of type of thing and it's like I just want to I just feel like when we were in the relationship like it should be nothing but pushing each other, you know? And I felt like I was constantly pushing you and not getting it. Yeah, I failed. I didn't do that. I took all that for granted. And I'm sorry that I did that. I'm sorry, I took the whole relationship.

I took you as a person for granted. I took all the time we spent together for granted. And I would never take any of that back a day in my life. I appreciate everything. I want you to be happier than you ever were with me, no matter what path you go down. I want nothing but success for you. I mean, I owe nothing but the truth to you about.

everything I experienced in this whole situation. So, I mean, that's all you deserve. Do you realize how much she cares about you? Because I think it's pretty obvious. I mean, Mikey is like my biggest hype man when it comes to that. He texts me all the time. He's just like, she loves you. Like, you know, and she did love you. And she like, you know, will always love each other. That love will never be gone. Why do you have such a hard time taking the love that she has for you in a way that will actually help you? Because it seems like she really cares about you in ways. that she probably should have given up on you a long time ago. Oh, she should have kicked me to the fucking rocks.

Like, I don't even deserve her loving me still. But I have always seen so much more in you. And like, that's not, it was never to like, I never wanted to get rid of you. Like, I've always, I feel like if anything, I fought for you so hard. Just like, you've fought for me too. But it's like, I truly don't think you realize, like, how bad, like, I rode for the relationship, you know? What are some things about Jack that you really love about? That's a great question.

Stop. Don't cry. It's okay. You're good, you're good, you're good, you're good. Let it out. Let it out. Let it out. It's hard for everybody.

You're good. Stand up. Don't cry. Don't cry. Oh, you're over here by the cry. I don't know. What are you feeling right now, Jack? I regret.

My actions, the way I just. treated her the way I took everything for granted. You know, it's interesting, like, it seems very real, and there's a lot of love. But, like, maybe I'm crazy, but I don't feel like the show broke you guys up in a way. And I feel like if you were willing... I think we're just crazy. I think... We're all crazy.

I think that no matter what, at the end of the day, like, I will always have love. Thank you. Not let me make a minute or whatever. I think that I'll always have love for Jack, no matter how things went on the island. And the people that are, like, wanting me to hate him and wanting me to bash him and wanting me to just tear him into shreds, it's like, you're just not going to get that for me because I do love him. I, like, no matter what, like, I really do love you. And that's not going to change. And I know you regret what you did.

and I know how bad you felt for what you did. So there's no reason for me to make you feel worse. You know. I love you. But I wish you the best. I don't, I wish I could have you still, but I'm fucked. Jack, have you thought about therapy? Has Mikey encouraged me to maybe talk to?

Yeah, we've had a lot of conversations about that. I mean, I think I sit on the phone with him maybe once every two days, maybe talking. He just rambled. but yeah. So, Mike, he's your therapist. Yeah. I try, bro. He's a new type of therapist.

He's changed a lot, actually, you know, from the show. The part of you that we watch this on the show, and I think we're seeing it now, and it doesn't seem, like, inauthentic, but there's this, there's something about you kind of like, yeah, no, I'm a piece of shit, and, yeah, like, she deserves better. But, like, at some point, like, I don't know if it's a cop-out, but it does seem, like, you clearly all. are hurting, but what's stopping you from receiving Cheyenne's love in a way that's like,

you know what? I got to get my shit together. Like, I should be, like, why don't you just use it as a way to hold yourself more accountable? Because, like, you're a young guy. There's definitely a lot of life in front of you. And, like, you can, you could look back and really think of, that's the old Jack, but you seem so reluctant to, like, take advantage of that. I don't, I don't even know. Can you tell me the question, then? Am I making sense? Because it's the whole like, yeah, you concede like that you're, like, you concede your actions. And I kind of like, almost the way you were saying it, it's just like, well, if you're so quick to be like, yeah, no, I shouldn't have done that.

Yeah, I shouldn't have cheated. Like, why don't you just not do the thing that you're so quick to admit, you know? It's like it's awesome that you can take accountability to acknowledge it. But like, what's stopping you from just being a better guy? Nothing. Honestly, I think right when I got off the out of the island, I think immediately my brain went to what the fuck did I just do to I need to be a better person. I'm like my morals are not straight. Like I'm not a good guy. I didn't treat her good. You know, it's interesting. I don't like watching the show, it's like these two should not be together, you know? And and yet I'm sitting here just like the love that you guys have is like so palpable and obvious. Like it's hard. not to, I honestly, I feel like my perspectives change.

I find myself like rooting for you guys. Yeah. Which is probably bad advice. Guys stop. And sometimes hope is like, hope can be a good thing and also in these situations it can be like your worst enemy because like you have so much history,

you see the good in each other. Like I hate to ask, but is there a world? I don't get the sense that you guys have given up on a possibility of ending up together. Would that be fair to say? I mean, I guess never say never, but I think right now, especially after this experience,

it's just like we've really got to focus on us and maybe just creating a good foundation of like just a great friendship and if we can't seem to be friends, I mean, I wouldn't say like... I don't think you guys can be friends. Yeah, I don't know. If I can just be honest.

That's good. I don't think you guys. You guys have seen Wolf of Wall Street, we're not friends. You know what I'm saying? But. Friends from afar. I think that if everything could go my way, like, I would want to be with Jack at the end of the day and I would want to try again. But right now just isn't the time.

And that's not to say that it couldn't happen later on down the road. You mentioned that Jack's close with your family. How did your family feel about watching this all go down? So we all went to dinner right before we went to the island. And Jack sat down with my entire family. And they were just like, tell me your intentions. Like, are you going to cheat on my daughter? Like, what are your intentions?

And he said fullheartedly, like, I'm going to prove you guys wrong. He said it straight to my dad, straight to my mom's face. He said, I'm going to prove you guys wrong. And you guys can have these doubts about me, but it's not going to happen. And then it happened. And so my parents, like my family's immediate reaction was, what the fuck? Like, that is not the Jack that we have been around for so many years. But it's crazy because it's like they know like this side of Jack and they don't recognize the Jack that is shown.

And it's crazy, but they still love him. They still text him every single day making sure he's okay. Like, they love Jack down. I don't think you got a chance earlier, but what are some of the things that you and your family love about Jack? He's just like, as much as I have not talked so highly about Jack or I've said things that I don't mean,

it's like Jack has been there for me through so much. Like, he has helped me accomplish everything in my life. Like, if it wasn't for Jack, I wouldn't have half the things that I have. I wouldn't. He's just helped me so much. much, like my style, like everything. Like, it's from as simple as, you know, the way, I don't even know.

It's just everything. Like, if it wasn't for Jack, like, I wouldn't be where I am today. And my, everyone that is in my life, like, knows that. And he's just great. He's great with my nephews. Like, he, my nephews adore him. And it's just, yeah. that Mike, there's a lot of things to love about Jack.

Do you think you have a habit of self-sabotaging? 24-7. I feel like I constantly like self-sabistage. I judge myself a lot. I feel like I'm harder myself a little bit. What are some of your biggest insecurities outside of, I know you share it a little bit, but I don't, my gut tells me those aren't your biggest ones.

Damn, you didn't even get this deep in the confessionals. They're pulling aside out of you haven't seen. Probably my adoption. It's my biggest insecurity. From what we've talked about and when we have gotten deep about it, I know he, he's going to break down. But I think it's more of just like just feeling the love of like everyone around him. And I think that it kind of stems from a, you know,

it does stem from it from that, you know. And I think that at points he doesn't feel that he's loved from. He has an amazing, an amazing family. Which I do, yeah. His mom and dad and his brother, they are literally the best. And so that's not what I'm meaning. Like, he gets the love from them. Like, he knows that.

That's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm just saying, like, I think that he's always felt in some type of way that, I don't know how to put it. I wasn't. She's unwanted. Yeah. I'm sure that's, yeah, tough to process. And also I imagine, like, you know, when,

we go through difficult times. Like you guys, you guys have clearly leaned on each other. No one can relate to this experience except for what you guys went through. And obviously, I imagine it must be difficult to find people to relate to that type of feeling. Like never, anybody, but it's okay. You said you wanted to be your authentic self. Who is that? Me.

Hi, guys. Well, listen, I mean, I really appreciate your vulnerability. you, I mean, you all seem like great people. I think a lot of, obviously, people are watching the show, and it's easy to judge and critique, but you're a really young guy with a lot of life in front of you and a lot of potential,

and I hope that you reach it, and you certainly can, but it won't happen until you face some of your demons, you know? Yeah. But the show also doesn't define who you are. Like there's, you can always show a different side that wasn't shown,

and I think that that's something that, you just need to do. You just need to put it out there and you just need to really show like the version of Jack that I know. I know the side that you show it on the show is like the worst side of you, but that's not who you are. And we all know that that's not who you are. And you just need, you need to show that. It's beautiful. You can also reinvent yourself over and over and time and time again. Right. You know, like, yeah. I've done that a million times. This is just the start. Like, you have a rough start. Like it's coming at you hard, you know. Like the internet's really coming for you, but just look at it as this is the lowest you'll be and just grow from here.

That's deep. That's bad. That's back. It's real. Well, before we move on to Scarlett and Cole, if you don't mind me saying, if I can just offer you guys some advice. If there's any hope that you guys end up together, do me a favor. And don't try to be friends until you, you know, you're not friends. And I know you guys care a lot about each other. and it's probably easy to always go to each other during hard times,

but like respect the relationship that you guys had, you know, like, and it's not as friends. Like, yeah, you'll be best friends if you're together, but if there's any hope for you guys, it's not going to happen if you try to be friends in between. Try to not care. Try to not care. It's just, don't torture each other, you know. Either let each other go, you know, and know that you have a support from afar, or give it a shot.

One more thing I want to say before we move on. Another thing that just wasn't shown in the show is at our final bonfire, we like had a moment where it's like, we literally just started

like busting out laughing. Like we have like such a weird dynamic and weird, we have just literally like we have been so close for so long that it's like

I couldn't even take him serious. Like what I was seeing in that house was just like that is not Jack. Like I literally have no idea who this man. You said that all the time. Yeah.

Yeah. Every day you were like, that's not Jack. Yeah, this is not Jack. I have no idea who this is. And so it's just kind of like whenever we went to make our final decisions of like who we were going to leave with or what we were going to do, it's like when I looked at him, I'm just like, we just started dying laughing. Because I'm like, what the fuck was that? Like, what was that? That is not what we have been like for six years.

Well, it's interesting because like, you know, again, we all relate to these. these first toxic loves, but it's also like, I do think we get surprised how much we get comfortable with the pain that we cause each other. Right. You know, like we miss, we sometimes miss the pain, we get familiar with it. That's why honestly, no offense, Mikey, I commend Sydney because like, it's not easy to walk away from something you're so comfortable and used to, and you even get comfortable to the pain that you guys call each other because sometimes the, you know, the makeup is great, you know. That's right. is giant. The makeup is giant.

Speaking of, I don't know if you want to, like, give your man some props because, like, the internet thinks he's not giant. I'm a fucking small boy. He's not, guys, I'm telling you, like. I saw that. If it could have been Jack, if I could have had Jack in the bed, I would have chose Jack any day. So. Have you guys hooked up since Temptation Island?

Fuck yeah. No, he's it. We have not. He's lying. One time. You said three times? I said one time. He's such a lie.

Well, thank you, both of you, for being so vulnerable and open, Jack. It was very beautiful to see that side of you. I think we all knew it was in there, but it was nice to see. I'm glad it came out, I guess. Yeah, we appreciate you. Maybe. And we'll be right back after this quick break from our sponsors. Don't forget, VAL Files Plus now offers ad-free episodes for all VAL Files episodes, including Ask Nick.

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Scarlett and Cole came to the island to regain trust in their two-year relationship and dig deeper into their issues. While Cole maintained his physical boundary of temptation, Scarlett formed another connection that reminded her she didn't need to settle. And while Cole was ready to commit, Scarlett decided her journal was not the only man she wanted to read. Scarlin Cole, I got to know, how did you cross that bridge of living together once you got back home from the island? We took a little space when we got back and, you know, I really needed a reset.

And I think a lot of things were brought up for me there. I think I was exhausted from trying and trying in another chance and another chance. And so once we got back, I was just kind of removing myself from the situation. and he stayed elsewhere for a little bit, and then it wasn't too long, and we were like, you know what, let's figure this out. And, you know, I think that we just said, we're going to dive back in,

and we're going to do the work, and that's what we've been doing. Well, I definitely want to hear about how you guys dove back in, but I want to back up a little bit. A big theme of your guys' relationship on the show was talking about Cole's lying and the lack of honesty you had. But I don't feel like we really got to hear the context

of what you guys were talking about. So can you shed some light on that relationship, going into Temptation Island and give us some examples of why trust was such a struggle with you guys? So, yeah, and that's the thing, is going into Temptation Island, we were in such a fragile place already.

And, you know, from the start of our relationship up until island time, I had been hurt over and over with lies. and, you know, it would be one, and then, you know, he would be right there saying how sorry he was and it won't ever happen again and then it would happen again. And it was breaking me, you know, but I wanted this to work. And that's why I continue to put in the time and the effort and give another chance. And, you know, I see him and I love him. And I know that, like, he's not intending to hurt me. It was more so he was just, like, scared that he would lose me, you know? So I think it was just like a bad cycle and pattern that needed to be broken, but it was breaking me. What were some of the examples of the lies? So we were together and then we broke up. Wait, wait, wait.

Let's start with the lies up until when we met, we weren't dating for a long period of time. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Well, then we dated and then broke up and then got her. Yeah, so, well, when we first started dating from the very start, there were lies from day one. Seeing each other. When we were seeing each other. Not exclusive. We just started seeing each other.

He was going to Hawaii. And he said, this girl that I was talking to before you is going to be there. I just want to let you know. And I was like, okay, are you sharing a room with her? He said, no. He gets back from the trip. I said, did you share a room with her? And he said, no.

And I said, did you hook up with her? And he said no. I asked him again, did you share a room with her. No, did you hook up with her, no. And then finally it came out. They did share a room. They did hook up. That was very beginning.

We weren't even together yet. I should have known then. I continued. I, you know, get into the relationship and it was things like that. Well, then we end up breaking up and we take a break. So it's during- You broke up with me. Yeah, I broke up with Cole.

And, you know, we had rushed into it from our previous. We were both in really long relationships. Got out of those relationships and right away we got together. I realized I was not fully ready to be committed to someone else yet. I needed time to heal and, like, really process everything. And so we didn't talk for a couple months. And but then, yeah, we start hanging out and just kind of started exploring the idea of dating again. You know, I mean, we would hang out here and there, but I still wasn't ready to be with him. And so it was like this wishy-washy gray area. Fine. Do what you want, but don't lie

about it to my face. So there were multiple occasions where, well, there was one specific. I remember, I had gone away for the weekend. I'm hanging out with him right. before I leave, you know, right when I get back, but I woke up feeling sick to my stomach. And I was like, oh, I just feel like something happened last night. And I asked him, I said, what did you do last night? And he said, nothing. I said, okay. I remember, I fly home, hold on, I fly home. And we were talking and I said, what did you do last night? And you said nothing. And I said, did you hook up with someone last night? And you said, no. And I said, I'm going to ask you one more time. Did you hook up with someone? And you said, yes.

Can I give context of that, though? The timelines messed up. That was when we first started seeing each other, like, a year before that. Nicole, this happened multiple times when we were broken up. Yeah, but the time you're talking about was a time, and she wrote a wedding in Charlotte. There were multiple times where he had slept with people and lied about it. Same thing. She can't keep track of how many.

Yes. So. We're not dating, though, just to be clear. It's fine, but just don't lie to my face about it. I know, I agree. But I just, I don't want to act like I'm, cheat on it. I hear you. No, no.

He never has cheated on me. To set that record straight, I've seen some things about that. He's never cheated on it. me that it wasn't about cheating. As you see, I'm not worried that he's going to cheat on the island. It's not that. That's not it. It's that I have no foundation here. It leaves me with anxiety and questions and stress. And it's like, when's the next lie going to be? There are so many examples like that to where I was just like exhausted. And then he says, you know, if you'll just be official with me again, there will be nothing else for me to lie about. And I was like,

all right, let's fucking do it then. That's kind of when we get back together. And, you know, there's still been little things since then. And then that was basically the foundation of the trust issues. And that's, you know, it makes a ton of sense. And I appreciate you sharing that context. Call, I'm curious, like, do you appreciate what she's saying and why she feels the way she does? Yeah, for sure. I mean, if you want to call it, I lied to her about things. If you want me to shed, like, not an excuse, but like why I lied about it, you could say, I feel like I didn't owe her the answer. We weren't dating. I asked to date you. You didn't want to date me, but you still want to meet my foot in the door with you. And I felt like... I hear you, but you're being a little hypocritical is a little strong, but if you're not dating, be honest. I mean... For sure. When we first met, we weren't together. We were... I want to... to date him and he did not want to date me. Same thing.

But we were very upfront. We were like, we're not dating. So we have no reason to lie. Yeah. And so here you are kind of leaning on the fact that like, we're not dating, we're not dating. I don't, I can do whatever I want. You could. And yet the fact that you lied is an example.

It had nothing to do with whether you were dating together. In fact, if I'm Scarlett, I'm thinking he has more incentive to lie if we are in a relationship because you couldn't even be honest with her when you could. like you had every reason to tell the truth. Like, she wasn't your girlfriend. Yeah. So, you know, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, for sure.

You're still kind of like, we weren't dating. We weren't dating is like in a justification. Yeah, if I did it over again, I would have just told her the truth. Like I said, like, you know, been that black and white. And however she dealt with that, you know, that would be on her. But like I said, I felt, you know, in those moments, I was kind of like, I could even reworded it. And I think I'd talk to Mark on the show, but this be like, you could have said something like,

I don't owe you that answer. Like, you know, if you want to ask that question, we need to be dating. So like, either let's make this concrete or like we should stop having this gray wishy-washy, like, because she was seeing other people too. So it wasn't just like, you know. No, but I'm assuming she was honest about it. What? Yes. I didn't like ask questions, though. She asked, I feel like she's like, she likes to ask a lot of questions, you know, but it's not an excuse either, but it's just. Sounds like she just wants to know where she stands. I just, especially after I'd already been lied to, of course,

now I'm going to ask even more. You know, we're working. so hard towards trust right now, but I still have questions, and I do question a lot. And, like, I know that, you know, we're both just doing our best right now. So fast forward to you guys leave the island separately. I got to ask, like, why actually go back into this relationship, as much as you guys care about each other? It seemed like you got a lot of answers from going on Temptation Island. And yet, here we are. Not that I'm not happy you guys are together, but I am just wondering, what did you think was going to be different? I just think I, I see Cole and I, you know, the way that he is with me, the way that he supports

me, the way that we live our life together, like, that's what I want. That's what I want next to me, you know? And I think that everyone can grow. You know, I have a lot of things I need to work on, too. And I think that we're both doing a really good job right now of putting in that effort. And, like, when I think of the father of my children, like it's someone like Cole. And so I think, you know, Yes, our problems have been put under this spotlight, and they've been very hurtful. Like, I have been very hurt, but at the end of the day, like, I just think that this love is worth it. I think he's worth it. I think, you know, this relationship is what I want.

Has he lied to you since leaving the island, or no? Not too much of... Yeah, yeah. Cole, have you lied to Scarlett since leaving the island? Yeah, I mean, like, there's been some things that have come up, but we'll leave it up that. Like, what? I got to ask. It's fine. You don't have to. I mean, you were saying not to the severity of what...

It's just been, like, little things. I mean, ever since we've been, like, concrete in a relationship, there's never been something lied about that was, like, all the cell was with a girl or this or that. No, it's nothing, yeah. Yeah, it'd be, like, white. I guess I want to call them white lies, but stuff about, like, I guess you could say the level to something like of that. degree. Do you know what the lies are? You do. So this is something that y'all are working through. Are y'all in couples therapy? Not in couples. We're an individual. Individual. Yeah. I mean,

we've talked about it. I mean, at the end of the day, it's like I'm trying to, it's not about, like, trying to prove each other right or wrong. I'm just, like, trying to see her and she's trying to see me. And it's not that either of us are right or wrong. We just want to, like, work through it together. And every relationship has their problems. And I think what's cool, about ours is like we've gone through a lot of shit, but we've never like given up on each other because we really do love each other. And I think in this day and age, a lot of people are quick to give up on that and not work through their problems. And I mean, after the show, like, to be honest, like, we got home and like we lived together. So we went back to the same house. And for a period

of time, it wasn't good. And like, I left for a period of time. There was a time when, like, It was just a very, like, stagnant relationship. But, you know, I started going to therapy. I think I journaled every day for, like, two or three months, like, twice a day. And just got, like, you know, worked on myself and she's working on herself. And I think over time, like, putting in that work and also giving her the confidence, too, to, like, see me put that work in, I think helped her overcome some, like, insecurities with me. And it's kind of molded into, you know, like a beautiful thing.

And, like, I'd say lately, like, as far as I've come. remember we've been in like a lot better place. On the island, so much of your frustrations with Cole were, seemed to be his lack or inability to have a deeper relationship or a deeper conversation. How has that changed in your relationship? I've actually seen Cole really open up and go a lot deeper. And I think it's all about how deeply you've met yourself. And so I think with this inner work and with the journaling and with the therapy and with the, you know,

issues that we've had, I think, you know, you meet yourself at new levels, which opens up, like, different conversations. And I really have seen a lot of that. And I feel like we're getting somewhere. And it's a beautiful thing because, like, me and her, like, really do love each other. And, like, I don't think on her side on the show, that's shown to, like, the degree I think she got kind of like a, people would, like, express to me that seemed like she was very cold on the show. Didn't show a lot of, like, emotion towards me or didn't show that true love. And I know that's a bunch of bullshit. and she did. And I just want people to know that too. Like, you could get lost and seeing the show at Face Value for what it was and thinking, like, Scarlett didn't give a shit about Cole. And that's just

not, that's like the farthest thing from the truth. Yeah, there was, we saw her every day. Yeah. I mean, there's blimps of her, but I mean, yeah, we have like this crazy, strong love, and that's why it was worth fighting for. And that would suck for me a lot in the relationship, too, because, like, I had so many things to offer and so many qualities and we loved each other so much that for the trust to dampen everything else, like, that would obviously be, like, a let And I wanted to fix that because I'm like, if we can figure that out or at least make it stronger, it's like everything else over here flourish. It turns us into like a power couple honestly because we have so many things going for us. I got to ask though, if the lies aren't so bad or they're white lies, why are you guys so resistant to share what they are?

You know, I feel that we shared so much and we really opened up and put ourselves on the show that I think from here it's like, why am I going to open up anything else? Like we've, we did that. We're working through that and... That is why we're here, though. Yeah, but I don't feel the need. To, like, give the audience more ammo against your own relationship. It's like we're really doing what we can right now. There was a lot talked about on the show that, like, we talked about that actually was never shown in the show.

And so, like, you know, we did open up and, like, express our problems in certain situations of things that did happen and, like, really dive into it. And, you know, the overall theme is, you know, obviously the trust and, you know, things that stemmed into that. I know where we are now. And, you know, with the show coming out, I think, like, you know, we fought it out. It can call it, yeah, it kind of like, it kind of came out and we were, we were at Coachella, and then we get back, and I think it was like, we went out of it for two, three days, and I think it's out of our system now. We get opinions from friends and family. I hear you. I will say, like, being vague about it only makes the audience question. They're going to assume you're covering for him.

assume it's worse than what it probably is. And they're going to assume you're probably just lying to yourself about the relationship, which is what you don't want. So it's easier to just lay everything on the table if it's not as bad as what we've already heard that he's done. And you're working through it. Y'all are actively in therapy. You're actively working on your relationship. So, you know. But I hear you. Well, while watching it back, it honestly seemed like you brought Cole to the island for a way out. I've seen so many of those. And it almost felt like you kept moving the goal post on Cole,

but you would say that is it accurate or unfair? Cole and I were set on leaving that island together. You know, like, I thought it would be a breeze. Because when you're going on Temptation Island, the goal is like not cheating, you know? And so that's what we were like, of course we can go on here and make it to the end. Like, we're not going to go on here and cheat. But that's not what it is.

You get there and you really have to analyze your relationship. You are forced to dive in and talk about it nonstop and, like, really look at all the pieces that are not working. And, you know, and so I think I was already like, you know, there had been so much. And so I think once being there and everything is just surfacing, I was like, I need space, like getting back. you know, I really do need to figure it out. And it's like, you know, I also see people. It's like, you didn't even give him a chance to grow and like take him with you at the final bonfire. I haven't seen him this whole time. I've seen clips and the clips that you see at the bonfire. That's not what they were showing me. I was seeing him not put in any work. I was seeing him just sitting in a corner being

like I'm not doing anything, you know. So I didn't know that he was really on the other end, like, trying. And so for me, the things that he said at the final bonfire, I was just like, I've heard this before. I need to leave and see for myself. In what ways did he try? Because it honestly looked like, Cole, you were like going on dates with people you clearly weren't interested in. I mean, I wasn't interested in anyone in the house, and that's just the reality. I obviously love this girl so much. I don't think there could have been 12 high quality candidates that would influence it any better. I mean, like, I was fully committed to going on the island, carrying myself in the way that aligned with my values and my morals and how my family raised me and I was going to do that

no matter if she went off the rails or whatever like I was going to stick to that and that's just who I am as a person. I carry myself on the island in the way that I'll look back on this 50 years from now and still have no regrets and respect and my kids and family and future wife one day we'll watch you know and it's like we're all good so I don't think um I did everything that I did on the island and you know leaving it it was I mean not going to lie like I did get mad at the end They didn't really show it to the degree, but I was, you know, frustrated. Yeah. Well, I mean, they didn't show everything, you know, but frustrated.

But I feel like I was frustrated because I cared, though, because I love this woman, you know. And like I said, it was hard when we got back for a period of time. And I felt all the feelings of feeling rejected or abandoned or this and that. And, you know, it wasn't easy. During your anger, one thing you said is that you think that Scarlett has something as she needs to work on herself or maybe you mentioned past Trump. or childhood or whatever, is that how you felt or do you feel that way? Or is that just out of anger?

A lot of just anger. I think we all have stuff to work on. And, you know, I have stuff to work on. She has stuff to work on. And that's on, you know, her time and her accord. And just to, you know, not make it, I guess, feel like it was all on me or it was all my fault. While, like, you know, we left the island and obviously not together. The boundary you guys set in terms of not going on multiple dates with the same person,

you seem to break that boundary. your reason for feeling like that was okay? So, you know, first date, I took Bradley on a whim. We had met the guys the night before, and I just was like, all right, picked him. We ended up having a great time, but then we, you're right, we had said, you know, like, let's take someone different each time. The next time I take Clint, and on Bradley and I's first date, we had great conversations. Back at the villa, great conversations.

I feel like he challenged me, you know, like we really were diving in, like trying to figure out my problems trying to grow. I take Clint and the conversation's like he's great. I love him. I had so much fun with Clint. But it just, if I was looking for growth, if I was looking for answers, I was playing at surface level by taking someone new on every single date. I'm having to start the conversations back from square one. So third date, I said, I'm taking someone else new again. and I don't know if I'm all to say this,

but production was like, Scarlett, like, what are you going to get out of that? You know, like you clearly aren't having, you tried this last time and like nothing came of it and they were like,

take Bradley, like you clearly have the best conversations, you're actually growing from this. And I was like, you know what, you're right. Like, if I, if that's how it's going to be,

then. Did you ever feel like you were tempted to get physical with Bradley or was it? Never. Bradley was seriously such a great friend for me. And what's not shown a lot is the conversations we had

where you can see how much we talk about Cole and I, you know, where he really was just like pushing me and helping me. And there was such a clear boundary with Bradley. He even jokes, he was like, one time I sat too close to you and you were like, scoot over, you know? Like it was just very clear that there was never going to be a lying curve. And he was just a great support system, a great rock. And I'm so grateful for him for that. There was a moment where you said that you didn't think, maybe I'm paraphrasing, but you

question Cole's masculinity. I think we've talked about masculine energy, which is totally different than being, like, masculine. And so I think that that's where it got, like, misconstrued maybe, but no. No, I hear you. But, like, I think, you guys let me know what you think. You guys let me know what you think, but I don't know if I would hear the difference between questioning masculine energy versus just his general. What is masculine energy? Yeah. I feel like it's a sense of like being grounded and like strong and knowing who you are and just being able to like died and yeah, stand firm. Did you feel in that moment that cold didn't have that? Is that kind of where that came from? In what moment?

When you talked about the masculine energy? I never talked about it. Not on the show, but... Oh, in our relationship? In your relationship? Yeah, there's been times, of course, you know, where I think that our energy is just like done in a line. I think it's less about the word energy and more. Like, if, I just think a lot of guys that would be hard to hear, it might even be true, but I just think... No, I get that too. Yeah, I think a lot of guys would almost rather see their girl make out with a guy than have their girlfriend question their masculinity, or their masculine energy. I don't question his at all.

Okay. Yeah, not at all. Reading the journal, you said she would not want you to do this before you did it. And you did it anyways. Do you regret doing that? Yeah, I shouldn't have read the journal. You know, that's why I owned it on the show and I would have owned it in real life. You know, obviously I read it for reasons that I did, but it's not an excuse and I read the journal and I shouldn't have read it.

And did you think at that point maybe she was, like, where would have read it? your mind when you chose to like cross that I mean to be honest I didn't slept in two or three days went over to their house I mean he's digging through the suit case I mean we're all fucked up like I don't know like I'm not talking you did have summit be like you guys can't know if you should read that I don't even know if I heard yeah that's her you're like do you think she'll be mad cut to Scarlet being like we have one rule she goes we have one rule props to the show like they got me like they spiced up her bonfire clips where I was like fuck I think she's falling for Bradley so I'm like

freaking out, I'm losing control. I go over there. I can't talk. It's not like in the real world, but I can just text my girl and be like, hey, is everything good? Like, what's going on? I'm like, the only info I'm going to get, apart from a shitty tainted bonfire clip is I can hopefully read like a love letter in her journal and feel secure again. Like, oh, I'm fine. I love that Cole is sitting there and he's like, what if they show this in the bonfire? I'm like, duh, they're like going to, but they didn't show it to me. They didn't show it to me. They didn't show me. And I said, they probably just showed cold not talking to anyone for the fifth time of the row. I was convinced I was like, he would not do that.

He knows that's my rule. And so I was like, if you guys just show me a clip of him going through my journal, like, I will be done. And they didn't show it. So I was like, he didn't do it. The producers put it on top there to make me think that. And then he tells me at the final bonfire. And that's when I was like, you just broke my trust even more. And that's when I was like.

And where is your journal these days out in the open or locked in a ball? It's at Netflix.com. Yeah, they've lost it. No, I still leave it on my nightstand. It's actually my notebook. That one was, yeah. No, I have my real journal at home. It sits on my nightstand, and I just trust that, like, that will not happen again. I've never looked at her journal in the real world.

Let's just leave it at that. I shouldn't have looked in the journal. Understood. Whatever part of your brain that thought, hey, I don't know what she's doing with Bradley, but this theme of white lies, big lies, lies, you know, is obviously this lack of trust. And do you think your propensity to lie for whatever reason when you do plays a role in, like, thinking, oh, if I can lie, and if I'm capable of it, maybe Scarlett is too? No, not no, no. I mean, I don't think one liar makes another liar.

I don't, I mean, to be honest, I've never caught her lying to me about anything. and I think are since I've known her, so I don't really have anything on her. But why not trust her in that moment that? Oh, just because the show's so fucked up. I mean, like, they're just like, I mean, every bonfire I would just be sitting there like, damn, this looks bad. And then I'm seeing all the shit happening to them and I'm getting paranoid and freaked out. Yeah, but like, you were so, you were the almost annoyingly self-aware of the cameras

in a sense of like, well, which one is it? Do you know it's like kind of bullshit or, you know, they're fucking with you? There was one bonfire clip where if it never happened, I would have been fine. but they made it look to me so bad where they spun it up where like, you know, he's like picking her up in the clip and then going down into the foam and then they showed some other shit

like they were in the photo boot together and I don't know, I mean, I lost like 15 pounds on the show like I was stressed the fuck out. I hear it, but like in all the production talk and blaming production, just to play, not even playing devil's advocate, but like that's what the show is about.

Like they're not just doing it to mess with you. They want to see how strong your relationships are. Like everyone comes into the show being like, we're strong, we'll never break up. And they're like, bet, you know what I'm saying? They're like, they want to see that's why they're not showing you everything. That's why they're cutting things off. They want to know.

And that's kind of the point of the show is, are you going to let your mind wander? Are you going to think the worst thoughts? Well, it was a mental battle. Or are you going to trust your partner and not read her journal? It was mental warfare all the time of like knowing what was real, what wasn't, what they're thinking. I can't talk to her. Like in the normal world, I just, hey, Scar, I saw that today. Is everything okay?

And she's like, yeah, and explains it. You can't do that on this show. You talk to her at the end. But that is what you're saying, where it's ultimately just a test of like... Yeah, trust. Unwavering trust no matter what. It's like all your heart.

Yeah. You all for handled that lack of trust differently, you know? And I think that kind of speaks to where you guys were or weren't in your relationship. Yeah. I mean, like... Well, they all, you know... He's drunk. The journal...

Some acknowledges he got messed with, you know? Yeah. You moved a little bit differently than Cole. You know, so you didn't let those insecurities or whatever they showed you or didn't show you have you snowball. You trusted Kaylee. You're like, I know who my girlfriend is. I mean, we literally went into the show and I, we like, I felt like we were like going off to war. Like your loved one was going off to war.

We like wrote each other notes. Yeah. And it was like no matter what you see, it's going to be the worst thing. And like those notes is like really kind of what helped us get through the process of just like reading those and just like yeah having trust no matter what whenever someone asks about the show i say it's a test of like yeah just like your your backbone to just keep going forward but i think it's more than that it's like trusting your heart and following your heart yeah is what really gets you through no well that's i mean i guess for us where there's like definitely this unwavering love like the love's

never in question i'm just saying the trust also that like you're not doing anything i gotta be honest though kaley you had great clips bro what do you mean you had phenomenal clips of me because i was so well but no i know i know i know i know No, I used to. Oh, you mean I behaved like an angel? Your kids were not that great. We were like, what they're not good? We used to spaz on Summit.

We like, bro, we wish we wished that's what our girlfriends is in the same. Let me get some, it was still tripping. Something it was shipping. It was what they talked about earlier. But you get so in your head. I get it. Yeah, and what we talked about earlier where it really does hit a man's ego when you're getting talked shit about it. Yeah, but we went on to the show to talk about that thing.

But was I just speaking to. We had this mentality of like, we're not going to talk shit. so we felt this moral high ground. I'm just explaining how I feel. I will say, like, please. She can say whatever she wants to me to my face. We will get through it. We'll talk about it.

If she were to say that to a friend or certainly another guy, that would hit very differently. But that is how they are supposed to learn about their relationship and grow is to like lean on these men who are there for a reason to talk about their relationships and what they're missing and what they're needing

and have these men give them advice from a male's perspective. That's a dangerous. Like if we were just sitting there talking about how much we loved our partner, like, there's no show. And if I didn't have the big, like, you know, animated reaction,

then I wouldn't have learned either. If I just saw it and was like, I don't care, then, like, I wouldn't have learned either. You know, I needed that. It was his reaction. I'll say, too, like, from the moment they pay. But it's all relative. Like, for me, it was, I don't know.

I'd say, like, the feelings are, like, from the moment she, like, yeah, we go on the show. We're like, we're going to do this, we do that. I mean, when I was sitting in the chair and she picks a dude in front of me, I'm not going to lie, I had some rage in my chest. I'm angry. I cry. They all did.

Yeah. I don't want to see my girlfriend on a date with some, like, I was mad at every bonfire because going into, I'm like, I'm going to see her fucking with this. I don't want to see that. But I mean, you guys are together. Yeah. Like, y'all have made it through the hard part. Y'all are working on your relationship. What are like the guidelines and the boundaries you guys have in your relationship now that you did not have before?

I think we weren't putting in this much work before. You know, I think it was just kind of like, I will say to, you know, our prior relationship, I don't, I think he put in like, or he was way more sure, whereas I feel like, you know, I did have that time where there was that gray area and I was kind of in and out. So I just think since being back and since being back together, we're like, if this is what we're doing, this is what we're doing. We're both all the way in. We're both putting in the work, you know.

I think the way that we communicate now is way. more open and transparent. You know, used to I felt like he was super big with me. I would ask a question, I would get one word response. And I'm like, please, I need more. And now he's like, this and this and that. And I'm like, perfect. She tells me, shut up.

Would you say you're 100% certain that Cole is your person and you'll spend the rest of your life with him? I think so. I think. Yes. Yes. I know Cole certain. I don't know. Yes, I do. As long as we can just commit to the growth and like be better.

You know, I think that, you know, I was getting so much shit for choosing myself at the end. And it's like, you can't just let yourself be miserable and like be so exhausted all the time, you know? And it's like you have to choose you and you have to choose what's best for me. And I think Cole is absolutely what is best for me. and I just want us to stay on this track and then I think we'll be together forever. Just beautiful. Do you think he'll ever lie to you again?

Probably. But not, you know, I think that maybe something, I think he's way more transparent now. I will say too a lot of like the lies, it's not that he's done anything to hurt me, you know, but it's still a lie. And so... I would argue that being lied to is one of the most hurtful things in a relationship.

I agree. You know, it did destroy me. It destroyed our effects. foundation and it did hurt, you know, and it, yeah, but I really have seen. Part of going to, like, therapy and stuff, too, is, like, maybe I would lie about something because it would, like, it'd be, like, a white lie that just, like, came out of me. Like, I just, versus now I might think before you speak. And then give a educated, thoughtful answer instead of just, like, telling her something

that sounds good. Yeah. If that makes sense. Sure, except that, like, what about the times when she's, like, no, but are you, lying and then she does the follow-up questions and then in the past you would still lie until she just caught you. I don't know that's happened in a long time. It hasn't happened since before the island. I mean like, yeah, because she used to like question me so much because like she did not

trust me at all so we'd be walking on eggshells all the time so I'm just being questioned all day long and that's not. Well, but he kind of taught me to do that because I knew once I asked the fifth time I would get the truth. All right. Well, not to go back there, but I do want to give you guys one more. chance because I do think people are just going to assume the worst. But what are these little lies that have been told since you guys got back together? I'm thinking of one right now. Which one are you

thinking of? I'm thinking of the girl. There was a girl that texted me that I ran into at a bar that I had a prior thing with when we weren't dating. And the conversation of the bar with the girl was short and it was because I just ran into her. I'm not going to not say hi and it was of the sorts of like how's it going and she was like you've been off your social media for a month or this or that like and I was conversations a bit like I have a girlfriend I live with my girlfriend Scarlett that was that I went home that night drove home went to bed at 1030 with her and then I wake up in the morning with a text from 3 am from the girl who's like it was like a drunk text or something and it said like so good seeing you like I'm not like a

It was a drunk text, and I just saw it, and I was like, what the, like, I never responded to the text, but I felt like an invasion of my privacy and my phone. Like, why did this person text me that? Like, it just, it was weird. It was, like, caught me off guard. So I deleted the text, and then she found it on, she snooped through my phone one day, found the deleted text message. She asked me point blank, and I told her, like, what I just told you guys, and then, I guess

that was. You snooped in his phone? I did look at the deleted messages. I mean, my password. I kind of giving, looking at your journal a little bit. My password is all zeros. Like, I mean, I don't, I don't, like, hide my... Go.

Like, off the world. Yeah, he's very open. I think we've all been through each other's partners' phones. He's changed shit now. I've never been through her phone, even when I've asked. But, you know, I just... The point is, like, I'm very open, I don't hide shit from her.

My phone, I don't... She wants to see some of my phone. My text messages just pop up. Yeah, it's not like he's, like, hiding his phone from me, you know? And when she told... I get why she was mad that I deleted the text. My reason, I understand. Well, I will say, I asked who you...

If anyone had... texted you that night because I was in L.A. And he said no. And I said, I didn't know. I asked again, of course, no. And then I said, um, I said, really what about the date of and said the reason why. And he was like, the reason I said no is because I didn't know what she was talking about. I generally got out of the shower and was like, she had, there was like a concern on her face. And I was like, what's wrong? And she's like, has a girl texted you recently. And I sat there. I'm like, I, you didn't remember the leading? Well, this is like a month. This is like a month prior. So I sat there. This was like, I don't know. What do you talk about? And then when she

brought it up, she said, did this girl text to you? And I said, yeah. And then I showed her the text and, like, showed her I never responded. And like, that was that. But, you know. And I, but for me, it was just more so we're working on transparency. Why? Delete it. Why not just be like Scar? I saw her last night. This is, she texted me. But the, the deleted message made it feel shady to me. Did you just have like a gut feeling that something that happened. Yeah. Have you ever tried just being like,

overly transparent where you just Yeah, the same girl, the same girl commented on my Instagram story like two weeks later and I told Scarlett like, yeah, just letting you know like this girl comment. I think I unfollowed her right there, point blank. Yeah, that was that. And she was like, thank you.

I mean, I'm like, even with the text message, though I didn't like lie. I was like, yeah, there's still texting me. Watch out there all right. No, listen, you seem like a good guy, like you said. But the lying is weird. It's a weird. That's why it's frustrating because it's like you're not intentionally trying to do it.

Well, you're letting them off the hook there. It's a lot is a lie. It's just, it happens. It's the disclosure affirmation, especially the dynamic of our relationship then. Obviously, there's a lot of, maybe if we were fucking, yeah, like, if we're perfect trust, whatever, maybe you don't have to disclose a girl messaging you that you don't respond to, but because the dynamic of where we were at that time, there was a lot, she didn't trust me. That would have been a good opportunity for me to be like, yo, like, this girl texted me, just don't let you know.

Like, I didn't respond. Here you go. And like, lift it at that and, you know, move on, which is how I would have done it over. What stopped you from saying, you know what? I gave you another chance. I did. I was not happy. But there's a difference between not being happy and we're still willing to work on the relationship.

That's where I can see where he's, you know, I don't know. It's been hard. I'm not going to lie. It's been so fucking hard, and there have been so many moments where we've, you know, broken down. And, you know, we still are. But I, like I said earlier, you know, I just feel like I'm willing to fight for it. You know, if he had cheated on me, no, I'm out. I'm out the door, you know.

But it's, these are things that, like, I don't think he would ever hurt me, you know. And that, in, like, a bigger way, yes, the lies do hurt a lot. Like, it really has damaged me so much. But I just think, like, Cole is an amazing guy. And I see him, and I, you know, I get to experience his love every day. And, you know, so some things are just worth working through. On the island, you said you felt like Cole held you back in ways. What did you mean by that?

Not holds me back in ways, like, in life. Like, because he pushes me, you know, we do all the things. But I think what I meant was holds me back from maybe being able to be full. scarlet because sometimes like maybe the conversations weren't fully there or I wasn't like getting my needs met there. And so I feel like I got a little disconnected from myself. I got a little disconnected from my spirituality. Like I just didn't feel fully me and I felt held back in those ways. And that was something that I really realized on the island. I was like, wow, like there are pieces of me that have been missing and like that I'm not willing to separate from. Like these things are really important to me. And so I think that's what I meant.

you know, just by being held back from like my own self. Well, I'm glad you guys were able to work it out. It's good to see you guys back together. I really hope you can get through these lies. I will say, like, if you can't figure it out, it will be the end of you guys. Because like the thing about a lie, it's like a disease that grows. And then it doesn't even matter what the lie is, little big, small white lie. It's like when you plant that seed of doubt, it's just really hard to grow the type of relationship.

You guys seem to work so hard on growing. And so I hope you guys are able to work through that because, yeah, a lot of couples have not made it work because of little things like that. Because someday you will reach your limit. And hopefully that doesn't happen. He's got this, don't you? You got it. I believe you both. Yeah.

Well, we appreciate you guys for being vulnerable, being honest. I know it's not easy to do. And since you guys are together, no one likes having the relationship picked apart. So I appreciate you guys being honest. Everyone come to the way. We'll be there. Taking shots. We'll be right back after this quick break from our sponsors.

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you can love someone and then it's like you just go on a cruise control and it's like every freaking day like I mean like these problems we have like they're obviously a lot better but it's like every day I have to show up for her in a way that makes her feel safe shows transparency shows her you know the things that she needs and then she reverse the things that I need and it's a constant it, not battle, but like, I mean, it's, it's a full-time thing to really create something beautiful with someone, you know, and you got to put work into it every day. And it gives your partner the confidence, too, to trust you more when they see you put in that work because they see the time invested. And so it's not like you just wake up and go through life together. It's like,

you know, it's the most important thing and the hardest thing that you can do, but it's so beautiful on the other side when you can make that happen. So to find someone like her, it's worth it to do it with her. I think that's very rare these days to find someone that's, you're willing to go the mile an extra mile with and do the work. And maybe before the island, that was something that I didn't have, like, that strong of a good response. Scarlet. Yeah.

Good it, Cole. That was beautiful. Summit, what about you? I learned so much, I feel like. It's hard to, like, know where to begin. But I feel like almost oppositely from Cole, I feel like if there's anything I learned, it's that there's so much, like, grace that needs. needs to happen in a relationship. And I agree. It should be work. It should be work every day to be

the best versions of yourself, not only for each other, but as a unit. But ultimately, I almost feel like temptation taught me a lot about just this idea of like having grace. Because I feel like we used to get on each other for all this little bullshit. And then after Temptation Island, all those little bullshit just seems like irrelevant to like what actually really mattered. And that was the fact that like we didn't want to live without each other. And all those little things just didn't seem like they mattered nearly as much anymore. And that almost made it the relationship feel like way less work than we were making it seem to be. Mikey, what do you find so funny about Summit talking? I just love how Summit talks. He's just so like here with it. Just love how he talks.

I'm really curious, Mikey. What did you learn about love and relationships from this experience? I learned that you have to be intentional within your relationship or it'll be gone. I also learned that you've got to be serious with yourself and you have to be serious as an individual because sometimes it's really time to grow up within your relationships. And if you don't do that, I am a prime example of what will happen. Okay. So yeah. How about you, Jack?

Don't ever take your, I mean, advice or anything. I feel like I took my relationship for granted. And I think when you're in that moment of that relationship and during those really, really good times, you don't think about what if that wasn't there anymore. And just don't take anything for granted, especially your partner. Because once it's gone, it's gone and your feelings are hurt.

Or maybe not gone. Oh, yeah, do one more thing. It's not bad to be vulnerable. It's not a bad thing for a man to be vulnerable at all. And it's not bad for somebody to love somebody to the point where they want to cry. every single day. That is not a bad thing. And I had to get that out because it's not a bad thing. And showing your emotions for somebody that you truly fucking love, that's not. And I would do it

all over again. You get what I'm saying? So that's just something I had to get out. So yeah. Okay. Well, before we get to the ladies, something I thought that maybe I just was reminded of watching you guys because there seemed to be this theme with you guys being like, you know, we're good guys. We're not bad guys. And I would agree, you all seem like good guys. But it felt like watching the show back. I was a reminder that there's a huge difference between being a good guy and a great partner. Yeah. And I think when the ladies are talking about bare minimum, I think that's correct me if I'm wrong, kind of what you're speaking to. And I think sometimes we forget that there's so many examples of bad guys out there that just because you're a good guy doesn't mean you're giving your partner enough and you're showing up in the ways that they might need.

Yeah. Well, especially like get girls like this, you know. Very true. Yeah. Very true. Shian, what through this process did you learn about love and relationships? A big thing that I learned while being on the island and just going through the experience was I really needed to take more accountability for the way that I would speak about Jack and stuff

because, I mean, the way you talk about your partner can push them over a limit. And that's what happened to me. And I think that at some point... No, no, no, no. I'm a bad guy. You're good. It's not your fault, too. No, well, I'm just saying, like, I did learn, like, at some point you have to watch how you're talking about the person that you love and just not take them for granted.

And yeah, that's what I learned. At the end of the day, it didn't end in my favor. And it ended with a big heartbreak, but that's not, it's okay. It was a good, it was, I wouldn't take back the experience. It happened. It is what it is, and life moves on. You're definitely not a bad guy. He just got some shit to work through, but.

I know. You. Sid? I would say what I learned through my experience is that the foundation of your relationship really matters. So, like, if it starts off Rocky, then that's kind of what it will be. So when I went to the first bonfire and I saw what I saw, it triggered me back to where we started. And it showed that our foundation wasn't stable because I couldn't watch that and be like, oh, that's not my key. My key's not flirting with them.

My first instinct was that's exactly who my key is. That's what I've known my key to be. So I just, I feel like foundation is very critical in a relationship. Can we? I feel like I learned that life is literally all about love. And literally, what do we have in life if we don't have love? Like you would be lonely. And I learned through this process, I literally would sit there every day and be like,

I think I actually love Summit more and more every single day. Then I did the day before, and I don't know if it was the distance, or just, like, really digging deeper within myself and realizing he really is who I want to be, like, living with 12 other guys and still just being, like, literally all I want is my boyfriend right now. I don't know. I think I just learned love is everything, and I just want to be with you for the rest of my life. Any chance in engagements? I think they got to get that dog first. Yeah, let us get the door. I need to move in together.

It is weird because I feel like I'm ready for it all, but I'm almost like, you know, let's see. Take it one day at a time. Yeah, we don't want to rush anything. No. Unless, right now, you're going to. Someone needs to spice this up. That's your one. Spice it out. That's what you said on the show.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's not bringing back the trauma. That was a bad. And Scarlett, what about you? I feel like I learned so much, and I really, Really grace, I think that's a big one, you know, but I think, too, is like, always remaining a team. And, you know, it's not us against each other. It's us against, like, all of these different problems that are within the relationship.

And so I think, you know, I can get so frustrated and he can get so frustrated with me, but it's like remembering to just come back together. Like, we're you in it and we need to move that way. Well, I will say it was a great scene to see the three of you boys. I don't know where you were, Jack, but sleeping all in some things. This room was a really sweet moment they showed. I mean, it's not like we were sleeping with girls. That was a little embarrassing. I was jealous that you guys had each other like that. I was like, where for my girls in my room?

The context is that his room had AC and I had like these big ass centipedes walking on my bed. It's okay, man. I was to explain why you guys like that's all right. But no, but it was the frogs that would get night and keep me up all right. But it was the moments, it was just like the moments like that where we were just together. We were able to have, even though I was having nightmares and I woke up for my sleep every I know. No, he would have like

sleep talk and stuff. He'd be talking like crazy. When people watch the show, they're probably like, oh my God, they're such drama kings. But really, like, when you think that. Drama kings, that's a thing. Well, we appreciate all of you, obviously, for coming here today and being so open and honest. And

also for going on this show, I can imagine it is not easy to watch it back and have opinions of the world now in your relationship, in your home, in your lives, but it was entertaining for us to watch, so we appreciate you all being vulnerable and giving yourselves. Yeah, truly, I really appreciate it. You guys were an enjoyment to watch, but even today, like, it's not easy to do this, and thanks for showing up, especially you two.

I know it wasn't easy, and you too as well, yeah, so thank you. Although we're tempted to keep going, I think that does it for the Temptation Island Season 2 reunion. As always, we want to thank the entire cast, our team, Netflix, and of course, Mark L. Wahlberg, for this incredible opportunity. Shout out of it. Well, this has been great, and I feel like I'm at the bonfire right now. If we could leave you all with one final message, love will persevere between two people who

are right for one another. Bye bye. Bye. That was great, everyone. Good job.