The Viall Files - E1118 - Summer House Leaked Audio Analysis, Alicia From RHORI & Hulu Get Real Drama

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by my wife of two years. As of today, Natalie Joy, it's our wonderful anniversary. We also have Mary and Susie in the household. Justin, are you in the room as well, sweet boy, Justin? The voice is floating around, yes. The voice is floating around.

Well, we have a lot to get into, but before we do, just a reminder, the Temptation Island Renew is out. Part one and part two are available for you all. to enjoy, experience, listen, watch. There's an extended version on YouTube if you are listening to the episodes. So be sure to check that out. Also, be sure to check out VAL Files Plus,

for all your bonus content. We have our reality recap deep dyes where we dive deep into things like the Summerhouse scandal. All the behind the scenes we saw at the Get Real Hulu event, as well as more deep dives in all your favorite shows. Plus your pop extra roundup where we talk about, we dive deep into things like the Megan the Stallion. cheating scandal that'll be going on this week i'm sure plus your update specials where we get all your

your favorite updates from your favorite ask nick calls all the episodes are ad free so it's go to file files dot com to sign up you will be glad that you did all right did you guys celebrate this weekend congrats yeah we did it was a lovely relaxing weekend it was wow yeah we did not we did not we for weeks we were like what should we do should we take a trip should we go somewhere my mom was like I, you know, my brother's having a baby same time that I'm having the twins. So she was like, I'm throwing a baby shower for them. And I told them I could not do it the week of y'all's anniversary because I'm sure y'all are going to need me because I'm sure y'all are going to want to do something. And I'm like, oh my gosh, mom, that's so nice. So we just kept talking in

circles and didn't ever book anything. And then finally we were like, you know what? Let's just like go to dinner and it'll, well, it'll be fine. We've done a lot. I can barely like. walk to the car. I feel like you're underselling our glorious anniversary weekend. Well, well, you please take the floor. That was wonderful. I had some quality time moments with my wife, and she got me a great t-shirt. Anniversary presents traditionally follow themes that strengthen over time, starting with

the first year being paper, second year being cotton, so on and so forth. And it gets like better and better and better. But there's like different tiers. So you can do like the traditional. you can do modern, you can do, you know, whatever. Anyways, I followed the traditional one this year and got Nick some cotton and found him some really cool vintage brewers and Packer T-shirts and stuff. Cool.

And Nick, with the help of a few people, got my wedding band that we got married with. That was my grandmother's that she handed down to me after she passed. I had misplaced it last year when we had our first wedding anniversary and I got us matching bands. I had taken it off and misplaced it. And I had not been able to find it. And he had it remade. And so that's, yeah, that's what he got me was the remake. It has an engraving in it too.

He did engraved you guys. He did engrave it. I was a little, the engraving is very much like. Nick coded, you know? Like, for the first year, I, yeah, I got us matching wedding bands. They have two little diamonds in them to signify like the two babies we lost in the first year of our marriage. On the inside, I had April 27th, 2024, engraved on the inside, you know, chic, whatever. So then Nick was like, oh, I was asked, do you want anything engraved in it? And I panicked. And he put 4 27 24.

And at dinner he was like telling me how this was engraved. And I was like, yeah, you know. At least he knows the date. Yeah, that is true. I thought you were going to say that it was the wrong date at first. And I was like, oh, no. So you're doing something, right? But it is very thoughtful.

And he wrote me a card, which like, honestly, having a partner that like actually writes and not just says, happy anniversary. love you, Nick. I mean, he wrote like two, it was a two full pages. Aw. Yeah. And like that is a gift in itself, you know. And paper is one of the things that get stronger over time. Yes, of course.

Does it really? And then I got her silk pants, which is not cotton. But. Bougie. Bougie. Thought that counts. Yeah. That's so nice.

Yeah. So that's what we did. I'm glad you guys had a nice anniversary. Was River part of any of the anniversary celebrations? I mean, she was with us all weekend, of course. She did not go to dinner with us on Saturday night, but we did talk about her the whole time. She did say happy anniversary this morning.

Cute. It was really cute. And I was showing her all of our pictures, and she was more excited about the horses, and she was anything else. But I was... It's been a great two years, babe. It's been a great two years, yeah.

While we were celebrating two years, Susie was getting evacuated at stagecoach. And I honestly heard that because we had the slightest bit of FOMO, not going to stage. coach but then we heard they got evacuated and yeah i i hate to acknowledge that i there was some joy felt better about it in your pain yeah yes if i'm being honest and vulnerable it's okay i i get that i understand where you're coming from because even with getting evacuated it was lit you guys like so

don't feel too good like it was a time yeah like i still had a really good weekend i'm like barely here right now you know I mean. It was so fun. I've never seen so many hot dudes in my life. Not even last year at stagecoach. I was there. Maybe my eyes weren't open. This year the hot dudes were

out and I was looking for shelter so I was like, someone help me oh my gosh. I'm just a girl. I'm just a girl. Any good makeouts? No, none of that. None of that good stuff. I mean I met a lot of people got a lot of contacts hoping there's you know, a little, you know, hoping this week we'll have a little friction moving forward.

We're hoping. Yeah. A couple people circling back. A couple people, I will certainly be circling back. So I'm hoping some will circle back for me. Who is your favorite performance? Ella Langley for sure. I mean, she was like, I think she's just like the bell of the ball right now.

And I feel like she's really getting me through. You know, the past like six months, I feel like she's just kind of been my girl for music. And it's like, it's evolving. Theo Vaughn came out. I'm like, Theo. Took me a second. I was like, who? Yeah, Theo Von.

He is so funny. He came out and sang with her. He sang like Riley Green's part and you look like you're doing. Turns out. Yes. It was so good. Yeah, he's saying it. It was good.

And he's just so funny and charming. Like, he just really, like, made my Friday night. And the evacuation, I know sounds miserable. It looks crazy on camera, all the videos I saw. It was crazy. And, like, I do feel like I have the same. stage coach cough because of it now. But I do love

like I love the drama. You know what I mean? Yeah, you got to be like in it. So did you fully have to leave the festival and then come back? I never, I didn't come back that night. Like I left and was like, that's it for me tonight. No, you don't go back. Yeah. Because it was like later. It was like, yeah, I

missed it, which was sad. But but I really did kind of enjoy. I mean, maybe I'm just like messed up and sick in the head. But I was like scared at one point. And have you ever like been scared? and then also been like, wait, but I'm like surviving. It was like kind of fun. I don't know.

It's because you look hot. So you're like if this is the way I go out. No, literally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If this is how they find me, like, I look so bad. The biopic of your life, your character would probably be wearing like a hot outfit the entire time. You know what I mean? I love how in 2026 we refer to tough times as being evacuated at a festival.

At a festival, yeah. I agree. People were saying that it was like a thousand dollars to get an Uber, like out. Like $5,000. I believe it. Crazy prices. I mean, I will say I'm so grateful that I, we had transportation arranged and our guy was so on it. He was so sweet and like came and found us. And so I am really grateful for that. And he just like booked it out of there. Like we got out so fast. But some people, we knew a guy,

he literally had to walk three miles. Because he was like, I'm not going to like spend $5,000 on an Uber. Um, but it did come, the wind did calm down like shortly after. So I think it was okay. But honestly, so funny. That's like crazy. Like evacuate everyone out and then like, 45 minutes an hour later being like, come on back, everybody, never mind. Gone. Like, after we all just spit thousands of dollars to get out of this place. Like, honestly, I bet Laney Wilson's, like, crowd was a lot smaller than what it should have been

because everyone was like, I'm not coming back. I go to bed. Yeah. I was in bed. And then this is so unlike me, but I was literally in bed after the festival each night. And, like, in my pajamas. And then fully went back. out until like 4 a.m. each morning.

Like so I was like, who is she? Like this is not me. She's, oh my God, in her stagecoach air. That was, yeah, I was like, I'm really just going to. You're going to go out. I'm going to do it. Yeah. The fact that you did stagecoach right after Hulu Get Real,

your body just go, go, go, go, go. Go, go. And we're finally ready to, to relax. But, oh my God, Hulu Get Real was so fun, you guys. It was so fun. While stagecoach was popping, the reunion of Summer House was also be filming. going into the weekend. And there was lots of drama that unfolded

with a leaked audio that we have to definitely talk about. But before we do, just a reminder later this episode, we have Alicia from the Real Housewives of Rhode Island, the new hit show on Bravo that everyone is talking about. We have Alicia. And it's really great to get to know her, get a little background on one of the new stars

of Real Housewives of Rhode Island. So that is later this episode. All right, we have the leak audio. We have to get into. So the Summer House reunion filmed, filmed what Thursday, Friday of last week? So the Summer House reunion filmed on Thursday and

then don't know if y'all heard there was a bit of a leaked audio clip from the reunion. It was like I think it was by that the next morning it was out or then it was so quick. I woke up to the audio.

I woke up to it. Yeah. So I don't know exactly what time Eastern, Western, A.m. PM it happened but when it hit the internet, it hit the internet. And would we like to discuss some of the things that were said? Yeah. I will say I didn't listen to it out of principle.

I was like, this feels wrong, and now's the time. I knew that you were going to listen. Y'all were going to listen, so I was like, y'all got it. I am shocked that, like, it wasn't a closed set. It wasn't a, like, no phone. Like, everyone put your phones in those little

locked bags, things, you know, that they make these days. I'm shocked that that's not what happened. Yeah, usually those things, types that happen, like, you know, Kyle went on and did a video because obviously he was dressing most, like, a lot, you know, when the stuff comes out, there's always a lot of, like, speculation with all the kind of the hyperbolic takes that are going around the whole, like, scandal. And the first thing is always, it is to, you know, accuse the cast. First, it was like accusing Amanda and West. They must be behind it because somehow, some way, you know, they were trying to get ahead of whatever the criticism they were going to receive. Then, you know, then there's, then there was speculation that was KJ. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's never the cast in these situations. It makes no sense. And then, like, as Kyle pointed out, you know, the cast will have their phones with them. You see on all these reunions in between, like, you know, scenes, they'll bring out their phone. They'll check their phone in between breaks and things like that. To Kyle's point, these phones need to be like off camera.

They can't be visible while they're filming. So they're like, they're literally in the creases of the couch or in the pockets of these people. It would be so obvious because these people are on camera. If there was some kind of recording device, you would have been able to see it. And to Kyle's point, the fact that you couldn't see that, there's no way you'd get a clear audio from like a phone that's like literally like jammed in between a cushion and things like that. But more importantly, like it just makes no sense that like someone from the cast would do this. They have too much to lose, right? Like they are all signing these crazy contracts. There's just no upside for doing something like this. It would just make no sense. I mean, they've already, like, like they say,

they've caught the person. They said it was a member of production. I thought that from the beginning. And I imagine the person from production wasn't some like high level person. It was almost certainly someone they hired just for this job. Like in production nowadays, like you're bringing your like your main team. You always need a lot of extra set of hands. You're bringing on like out of PA's lower level people. It was literally probably someone like catering lunch. You know, they brought in like a caterer who probably had like five people working from them and found themselves on the set of the summer house scandal and panicked and said, holy shit, started recording it and got a little greedy and carried away. There's just no way it was someone who was like at a high level. I wonder how

they caught them though. That's a good question. They mentioned they were new like forensic analysis. I don't know if they do like it's my understanding that because they sold it to TMZ. TMZ put it up. So it's basically that's saying that this TMZ obtained it legally saying that they purchased it from the person who recorded it, and as we've learned from Emily Baker, the person who recorded owns the IP. Now, you can get in a debate whether that was filmed or recorded legally, but Bravo quickly got that, I believe, removed from TMZ. Like, it's no longer accessible on TMZ.com, which tells me that the great people at NBC Universal got their lawyers involved. I don't know if there was precedent or I don't know if it was basically NBC Universal being like,

yo, if you want to do any type of business with us whatsoever going forward, you want to have any type of relationship with our entire portfolio of shows on peacock and universal you'll take this down it might have just been as easy as is that that'd be maybe a question for emily in terms of legality of it well luckily someone did transcribe the entire thing okay and um we don't need to read all of it obviously but i the part that really gets me is Mia Mia was popping the fuck off on Amanda and she said you went from being married and I'm not saying your relationship which perfect. I mean it goes it's definitely not.

But you went from being married to one of West's side bitches. That's crazy. The part that got me was Amanda saying you can't help who you like or are attracted to. And it was like, well, like you can. You can be like, Wes, you're hot and I like you, but I'm not going to do anything. I'm not going to go there. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, that just goes to show that the whole we were always like, this better be worth it. They better be in love, like ready to get married and have kids. Like Sierra said on the red carpet with Sidney Sweeney, like, what's the next move? Marriage. And it's 100%. And the way that Amanda did not say, you can't help who you love. That we would have been like, you know what? That's true.

You can't help who you love. But you can help who you like and who you're attracted to. So that one was rough. I mean. Also, her saying what you expected me to be like celibate. After 10 years, it's like, oh, so it was either celibacy or your best friend's ex-boyfriend? Those were your only two options? That one definitely doesn't land.

And it's also, well, none of it lands because also the like context that Sierra was discussing, she quoted Sierra to her talking about like you can't help with who you fall in love with. Sierra was talking about interracial relationships. Sierra was not talking about hooking up with your friend's ex. She did not say falling in love. Like it's completely fucking different. She said like an attractive. And she did not say falling in.

Yeah. And then it's, oh my God. I like Amanda. Also, I am just shocked that she wasn't. I mean, like remember this. I mean, this is what? How many seconds is this audio recording? So we clearly don't have the whole conversation.

Oh. No, but even like her demeanor and her tone. seemed so just like defensive, which is a strange place to be at thus far. Like, it's not like they recorded the reunion the day that all of this got announced. Like, she's had time to process. She's had time to get her thoughts together. She's had time to have conversations with Sierra. If Sierra wanted to have conversations with her, she's had time to her and West to, like,

get their story straight. Like, going back to the Scandival reunion, Raquel was so like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry and Ariana still ate into her as she should have but the way that Amanda is like I mean and of course I'm not shocked that West said one word in this and it was the like the the the statement was definitely rushed okay like no shit it was a terrible statement and then Amanda is the one like talking the whole time and it's just it was it is fucked up that they referenced this video and I don't know what this video is or what's in it, but that is kind of fucked up

that there seems to be an alleged video of West and Amanda in some kind of compromising or intimate situation. Yeah. I think it was supposedly filmed through a window. That's so messed up. That they were worried that got leaked, so they rushed the statement.

But even still, like, that's what I'm saying. Just the way that Amanda's demeanor felt so defensive and, like, it didn't seem like there was, remorse. And again, we've only heard the, what, 15, 20 seconds that this clip was, and we have a whole reunion to watch. But like, yeah, because I mean, that, that, that snippet that we saw from the union is suggesting that, like, again, like West and Amanda, I think deep, I guarantee the conversations they're having with each other are minimizing the relationship that Sierra and West had with each other, right? Like, they have to be minimum, like. To make themselves feel

better. They have to be like, oh, that was. nothing. Yeah. Where Amanda, like Amanda, you know, but like, nevertheless, you would at least think the grace from Amanda would come from her friendship with Sierra, where like, how do you go back and watch some of these scenes that were watching this season over where Amanda came to support Sierra? She confronted West about West's treatment of Sierra.

So that's the biggest thing. It's all right. You can't help you like, you know, Sierra and West, whatever, they dated three years ago. whatever, you can still say all that, but what doesn't land is if you really felt that way, if you really didn't think West and Sierra were anything legitimate and that West was fair game, then how do you explain how you tried to show up for Sierra in those moments? Because it does give snake in the grass. It does give like going behind your back. It does give, I pretended to be your friend to your face while, you know, behind the shadows, I was doing the literal exact opposite.

Like, that's the part that really doesn't get addressed in this clip that got released. And the question is, will we see any part of that kind of humility and gray, not grace? I guess humility from Amanda, where she acknowledges, like, the contradiction in her behavior. I mean, we heard Sierra say, like, just say okay. You can't. Like, just say okay. okay to what? You're a snake in the fucking grass and you should honestly just say okay because you know you are.

You move silent but you're fucking deadly. I'll be curious when it comes out if she does have any kind of like sincere. Like it didn't seem sincere. Like Natalie said, it just felt so defensive where I feel like when you're in that position, it's like you really can't defend this. Like you have to just be like, I am so sorry. Like this is so effed up and like I hate that I did this. Like you have to just own that what it is is so.

horrible regardless of if you think it's horrible or not if your friend feels like it's horrible you have to just like acknowledge that like it freaking sucks yeah yeah and it sounds like she wasn't she has to be like i handled this really really poorly and i regret that and i definitely think how i handle it you have every right to think of me however you do as a friend but that's the part you i think if nothing else what we hope to see is like at least from amanda or west like for the few people out there that might be rooting for you, right? Like, what's the thing? Like, at least give us that sincere, whether we want to believe it or not, that like, listen, we just like, we really think there's something there. And like, he makes me feel blank, blank, blank, blank, blank in ways that

you know, Kyle never did. Like, just sell it. Sell us the relationship other than we had to, like, panic and we released a statement ahead of when we wanted to because there was a video out there and just making it seem like it's a small crush. I hope Andy asked West specifically to define the relationship. Ooh, good question. Like, I hope, and I hope Amanda did not say a word until after he was like, oh, we're just, because she's, like, rumor on the street is she's like, that's my boyfriend. They're, that's like boyfriend.

Yeah. He's throwing the term around, boyfriend. Wow. Boyfriend. And then he wouldn't even say her name in his podcast. I do think he did say her name like once. Amanda or Sierra's. I do think he said him.

Amanda. Did he say him? He said Amanda is getting a lot of the hate right now, and I do wish people would. He did say her in it. Okay. I thought he said she's getting a lot of the hate right now. Then, yeah. It really is incredible how Kyle has really done a 180.

Now everyone's focused on his like good looks and how he looks great for his age. I'm still not forgetting what he did. That's on the back burner for now. I don't think anyone really is forgetting it, right? But like, and that's why you're not seeing Kyle get a ton of sympathy. It's just more. he's just like off the hook Karma

Yeah And now you're neutral Right Yeah you're neutral Everyone's neutral Everyone's like you know what You're a DJ now You're gonna sleep with a bunch of like fans

No he's out on the streets Kissing Megan from Megan right From OC Megan King Like So what He's probably kissing a lot of people

They just need them to stay out of Bravo I guarantee you Kyle's I don't know if he's staying out of Bravo, but he's getting out of Bravo. I'm just saying I think Kyle's enjoying, I think, his single life, no doubt. Oh, I'm sure. He was enjoying his single life while married.

Yeah, he was doing that. That's nothing new for him. I mean, not to add fuel to the fire, but Mia from Southern Hospitality was on Watch What Happens Live and basically said that back in September, she filmed this digital date with Wes Wilson and then met Amanda in September at BravoCon and was like talking to Amanda, Amanda basically said,

oh yeah, me and Wes pre-gamed your date. So, like, she's now saying that, like, maybe the timeline of Wes... In September? In September. So the timeline now could allegedly extend into November.

And then she, basically, Mia ends up being like, I don't want to get involved, but girl, did we get the same tip or damn? Did we get the same tip? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen,

they clearly, I think if you ask West and Amanda, they'll go to their grave and say that this didn't start until Amanda was. February. Separated. February. He said on his podcast that February was when things got serious. Yeah, but exactly. But like, you know, people are going to keep coming out. People speculate.

But like, they were clearly hanging out and they'll just say that they were friends and they will claim that no physical boundaries were ever crossed. But clearly there was an intimacy between Amanda and West. whether they wanted to acknowledge it, whatever. And there's just going to be more of these stories. We're just never going to get a straight answer, so people are just going to believe what they want to believe. And I don't think at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter.

Because again, that has nothing really to do with this. Like, we only really care about Sierra's feelings. We don't, you know, it's not that we don't care about Kyle's feelings. But, like, yeah, we, there's still not a lot of space to, like, we don't feel bad for Kyle because the marriage was already over. You know what I'm saying? Like, we've already accepted that Amanda and Kyle's marriage was, done. We weren't rooting for it anymore on either side. So that timeline really is irrelevant in the,

in the terms of like right or wrong. I don't know. I kind of think so. And, you know, maybe it just adds more fuel of the fire of Sierra, like thinking Amanda the snake in the grass, because again, we did see, you know, Amanda pretending to be Sierra's friend in this time. And clearly there was an intimacy between West and Amanda that she was downplaying at least to herself, if to everyone, certainly everyone else. And now they're just kind of conveniently marking this new, like, you know, start date to this relationship.

And I imagine whenever they, like, made out for the first time. Or it's probably the first time they had sex. Whenever they say they started is when, you know, they had sex for the first time. Yeah, I think it's like people, this is more interesting in general the way people will talk about relationships and how they come together when the timeline is messy.

It's always interesting the date people choose to land on. Right. Because it's like... They discuss it, right? They're like, okay, we're going to say this is when. We're going to say this is when.

And then you can always tell when it's like a pre-discussed time. Well, that's why it was interesting to hear Jesse on Watch What Happens Live when Andy asked him something and he was like March. And this, it was like right when it was like two days after West had come out and said that their things got serious in February. or whatever. And Andy was like, you better get your timelines matched up.

Like, these questions are coming. You better talk to your boy because, like, every, you know. I thought Jesse was like, I was lied to. I had no idea. He was. I think he is, yeah. He's, but I mean, we think he's like just fully not even West's friend at all anymore. No, I think.

I think he's. Nothing happened to Jesse. Yeah. Yeah. Jesse's fine. Jesse's just trying to get his Spotify streams up. That's true. Let the man live.

tour. He's good. Yeah. He just doesn't want this to ruin the tour. I'm like, is this, is this, would they all be this messy if this was their real lives and it wasn't, they weren't on like this reality show? Like, I just think there's this like, like, like, question about it where I'm like, is this worth it? Like, I feel like, obviously Kyle's doing fine, but I'm like, this is just so messy and horrible. To your point, Susie, outside of Sierra, Amanda West and Kyle, anyone else, like, you're popping off is, you know, they're, riding the wave, they're doing it for the cloud. You know, Mia is like...

Everyone wants to feel in these types of situations, I think whether they're on a reality TV show or not, wants to feel like they're the victim in the story. Everyone wants to be like, oh, God. Or they're going to speak up in terms of like how they're connected to the story. Mia being a very, you know, one of Sierra's closest friends and like in these scenes with Amanda and Sierra talking about friendship. So like she is probably the closest connected to it who's not actually involved in it.

and then you know you have kj who's like was introduced to the show by west so there's that kind of but he's also become friends with sierra and so he's inserted himself but yeah like and then you have lindsay hubbard who's also like you know been like kind of mother to this whole group over the years you know yeah they're all finding their lane to say i have a reason to say something and you should listen to me but yeah there's definitely a hugely performative nature to this and they're all like, you know, they're all milking it 100% for their, for their spotlight, for sure. As they should, I guess. And I'm entertained.

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things going down, including the new Secret Lives and Mormon Wines of the OC, which we'll have to discuss that. But before we do, I got some insider tea. Now, no one specific, you know, I talk to a lot of people because I'm still, I'm still not sure. I'm, I still want to know if this batherette season of Taylor Frankie Paul is going to be heard. You haven't forgotten. I heard something too. People be yapping. No one told me definitively, but I've heard from a lot of people who know a lot of people and a lot of people just like on the ground close to the situation. I heard things like, and I quote, it's 100% getting aired.

I heard there's a 85% chance it's getting aired. Nothing definitive, but 100%. Well, that would have been someone, that was their opinion. That's not like they heard it from someone. But there's a lot, like, I haven't heard from anyone who is at least adjacently connected to the people

who are making these decisions who think that we're not going to see it. And I think it's going to ultimately end up on Hulu. Rob Mills of Hulu and Disney, Executive Vice President of all these unscripted show. It's really he's in charge of it all. Recently did an interview talking about Taylor Frinking Paul and his decision to cast her as a Bachelorette.

And you can go read the quote if you want to. It doesn't really give anything like specific away, but he very much like he's kind of low-key cells the season. He talks about how it was a great season. He talks about how it was like he. He's pitching. kind of pitching it. It's not like a statement of regret. It's not a statement of defensiveness. It's a, hey, listen, here's, I made some decisions, things happened. You know, I wonder if Taylor

would even want this shit to air after what I think she does. Everyone after all of this shit, after ABC canceling it, after making her go on this press tour, after all that shit was leaked. Just like, would she even want it aired? That's a great question. I, I don't. I don't. I, I don't, She did deactivate. She did over the week and deactivate her socials. I want to believe that was just for like a moment of clarity and some mental health kind of recharged. I don't think there's like a smoking gun as to why she made that decision.

I also talk to some other people who are very close to situation who firmly believe that obviously Taylor, Frankie, Paul in due time will make a very strong and very noticeable comeback. Yeah, it would never have put that past. I think a lot of people are unsure about that. I was to say a lot of the Mormon wives have gone on record to say that, like, the version of Taylor that we saw this season of The Bachelorette is like the real version of Taylor and like a good version of her. So a lot of people are wanting that to air. Well, it seems like the people making the show have finally like realized their mistake of obsessively including Dakota in this whole storyline. And like obviously Taylor is responsible for her.

actions, regardless of Dakota's involvement and how he might trigger her. But to that point, if they move forward, I think Taylor on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is an absolute sure thing. I do think Taylor has not gotten the benefit of a healthy environment. You know, you put someone in a shitty environment, you put someone in an environment that ultimately endlessly triggers them, and you will get a version of them that a lot of people might not recognize, you know? Like, reality TV is all about putting people in, you know, in situations. There's always that big question in reality TV. Is it scripted? Is it staged? It's never, it's rarely, if ever, scripted. It's certainly like the Hulu shows. They do a good job of having those authenticity in their shows. But there are staged

environments, right? There are staged scenes. They will put like Dakota and Taylor in a room and say, talk about this. They will get a group of those girls together then to say, all right, talk about the thing that talked about that. Now, what is discussed in those scenes is up to the people involved in those scenes. And they will often surprise people in those scenes. They might surprise half the people in the scenes, while the other half knows what they're going to bring up because they want to surprise some of the people in there. So there's all these kind of staged environments that, like, set up the environments they want to create. But what happens in those situations are very authentic and reactive, authentic to the extent that it is a manufactured environment. So yeah, I mean,

it's not too shocking to hear those women have seen and gotten to know a version of Taylor that many people, us fans, have just not been able to see because the only thing we see is her and Dakota, you know, and her responding to the drama online. I mean, there's very, there hasn't been a long enough lane of Taylor Frankie Paul having kind of peace and contentment in her life and then seeing how she moves in that space. So it's not surprising to hear that. It was interesting to see we had Jesse, we had Miranda, Lela, we had Macy. It seemed like they were very nervous because it seemed like this was like their first public

appearance. And since this kind of all went down, you didn't have Whitney there, you didn't have Taylor there, you didn't have Jen there. And so it was like half of the cast. And you could tell it seemed like they were very unsure and very curious themselves of how of like the audience at the Hulu Get Real event would receive them. And they seemed kind of nervous about it. We watched. I obviously like did I was not there. I stayed home with River. But we, we got in my bed to go to bed and I turned on the TV because we were going to watch Peter Pan. And then I was like obviously on

Disney and it said Hulu Get Real like watch live. And I was like, oh my gosh, let's see if we can like find Dada. And so we clicked it and we're watching it. And it just happened to be the part where all of them were on stage. And I was like, why is this so awkward? Like, what is going on? Like, were they just having technical difficulties? Like, the teleprompter wasn't working? It was one of those, like, classic. It was, you know, they go big and wanted to be a live event when it should not have been a live event.

You know, and I, and so there was a lot of production glitches. They also, like, filmed it in, like, this area where, like, I was in the shade. But if you were down there, you were getting buried by the sun. So there was a lot of that that people didn't get to see. The crowd didn't help them. The crowd didn't help. I mean, the crowd was just a bunch of, like, bloggers and, you know, it was not like a bunch of fans. It was a bunch of people who were all there for themselves in a way, you know?

And so you're going to get a slightly different reaction. It's not going to be the same as, like, having just a bunch of fans. Like, they weren't cheering for them. They were videotaping further, like, real. Yes. That's what Natalie. They were making content. It's exactly that.

They were keeping silent so they could narrate later. Like, so that's why you didn't get people cheering for the talent. Justin, I heard you cheered. I did. good. But you could tell that, like, I don't think that the Mormon wives had that kind of awareness of knowing, because again, this is their first time facing the public in a live event since the scandal. And you could tell that they were, you know, well, I'm sure it adds an element of pressure. Like anytime, yeah, I mean, I know what that's like, you know, it's a very human response to just be like,

all right, how are people going to receive us? And also, I feel like being on stage, like, presenting anything or like the way that they welcomed the new cast of OC up and then it was like kind of like clanky and glitch it's like I feel like when there's not a run through or like rehearsal of that kind of thing it's just never gonna no one's ever gonna really know what I like Layla hugged everyone some of the girls like didn't hug anyone and it was kind of like y'all should have ran through this Natalie I'm so glad you brought this up because I saw the videos of it and it's like they were walking in heels on the grass for a good distance since before they got to the stage. And I'm like, how did you not sink in, first of all?

And like, I know you were like focusing on not doing that just to get to the stage. Yeah. But we do have the cast of the new Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, OC. It's definitely some names I recognize. It's a star studded cast. McHall, which is Macy's sister. Macy's sister is on this cast? Yes, it looks identical. Okay. Justin had meagg. So Jen didn't come on. Is Jen part of the OC cast? I've seen mixed things. Jen wasn't announced to be a part of it originally. She literally just announced like a couple minutes ago. What I heard is that these girls were being interviewed at the Get Real event.

And they asked, is Jen a part of this? Where's Jen? And they were like, what we know is that she's like sick today. Because she couldn't make it to the Hulu Get Real event. And then there was like, okay. And then Jen posted on Instagram like a full house intro where she's like introing herself and all of the rest of the girls as the new cast. Interesting. So yes, she is.

I heard at the event from someone who would know when we were talking about the new cast of OC about Jen not being involved. And that conversation seemed like Jen wasn't involved. And the quote I heard from this person was, Zach fucked up any chance that Jen had of that. Which then I was surprised. I was surprised to hear this about. Jen following the event because like if what doesn't add up is that if Jen was plan on being

a part of the cast sick or not why wasn't that mentioned at the event why is this all happening after the event online and it seems to primarily be coming from Jen doesn't it seem kind of weird there's been like speculation that her and Zach have been like it's not good she took the wedding off yeah yeah so I wonder if like if she needed to remove herself from him and as soon as she did that. It was like the green light to be like, okay, now you can be on. I don't know what happened, obviously, but like maybe it just was. What does that look like? You know, like what does that look? Yeah. I mean, they're married. They have kids. It's not like you can just be like, okay, I'm taking a break, you know. But what I know from this group of ladies is like the lore goes deep for every single

one of them. Natalie get into it. You've got Bobby Altoff who was, I mean, she came out of nowhere. started podcasting. She was sitting with like Drake and all of these major rappers. Mary with a kid left her husband. Everyone speculated that she left her husband because she got like famous overnight. Now, I don't know. I don't think really anyone on the internet knows about the backstory of her marriage. Was that the reason where there problems going? You know, who knows? Maybe it was just like a long time coming. But we don't we don't know the details there. So that'll be interesting. Then we have Aspen Ovard who has been on YouTube for 15 years. I, definitely at some point remember, like, watching her videos. So it'll be very interesting to see

just like what about her life is portrayed in the show. Then we have Avery Woods, who was a, like, I think, pick you nurse and like started doing content talking about being a nurse. So that'll be interesting to see kind of how she lives her day to day. You have Salome Andrea, who's also a TikToker. She's like this hot mom of two twin girls. all of a sudden she just stopped posting with her husband. No one has said anything. It was just kind of like he's gone out of the picture. She's like moved into a new house.

I heard from people close to the show that there is a clear group of sinners and saints in this group. Oh. Interesting. So there's a group of troublemakers, I guess, and ones that are, I guess, judging the troublemakers maybe as I take it, you know. It looks like it will be good. Well, we also have Jesse's ex, Jordan, popping off online, making reels and cameos, wanting everyone to know now that he has been divorced, that the secret lives of Mormon wives is fake.

He wants everyone to know that. Men used to get a divorce and listen to Steely Day. The divorce also isn't finalized yet. Take a beat, please. Like, come on. Also, like, this goes back to, like, the scripted. Now that Jordan's out of the show, he wants to minimize what the show is.

He wants people to think that he got a bad edit. He wants people to stop watching. The only reason people like don't like them is because he is a victim of the edit. Chase, Miranda's ex, popped off and said there could be 10 different iterations of the edit and you would still be unlikable in every single one. And I honestly thought for Chase, that was pretty funny.

And also very true. A couple things about Jordan. Well, you know, we were able to interview him along with Jesse. I mean, he is, he's kind of a prick. He's kind of very off-putting. The few times, like, before Jesse and Jordan were getting divorced when I did the reunion, there were a couple times I tried to talk to him. And I was just trying to see, like, what his mental state was at the time.

And he always seemed very manipulative. Like, I remember him telling me that he was worried for Jesse. This was after I had heard through the grapevine that he was like a bad husband and there was a lot of like ways that he treated her that were like we weren't getting to see and that was going to come out in the next season. And I had heard that information so I wanted to see what Jordan had to say. And the way he framed it was like to try to convince me that Jesse was very much always in the wrong, which felt kind of icky. I also know that the reason why the guys got to go to Vanderpomvilla is because Jordan begged. begged. And if it weren't for Jordan desperately trying to go and confront Marciano, it might not have happened. Also heard that of all the men that went to Vanderpomvilla, despite what we know

about them and how they might be complicated, even Dakota, that all the men were quite lovely and easy to work with and polite, except for Jordan, who came in like an absolute diva, was rude to everyone on production. And it just speaks to like, this is his character. You know, like, this is not the type of guy who, like, he's going to blame the edit, but at the end, he'll never look at himself and think about what he could or could have done differently. And I'm honestly just very glad that Jesse is out. And despite Jesse, you know, she's out there making out with, you know, at least it's not someone's friend.

Like Amanda could have been doing this, you know, Amanda could have been making out with every, I mean, a gram. She made out with, maybe the chase of it all, the Miranda. I don't know. Maybe she's got me there. I don't know. I don't think Miranda seems to really care. Whatever. Maybe Jesse wants to just have fun. Outside of the Making Out with Chase, that's Miranda's friend, I just think someone in Jesse's

shoes deserves to just get a little sloppy and a little messy. And even if it's like, you know, not her long-term person. Was one of the other guys she was seen making out with one of Tayloroff? Allegedly, yeah. That's what I was going to say. He loki posted her on his story, but like didn't include her face. But it was like, she was wearing that dress. That's her body.

Here's the thing with Jesse. right now. It's like, girl, I want to support you. Why can't you support her? Because it's like Marciano you're still fucking with Marciano? Yeah, the Marciano's tough. And I love Jesse. I met him. I mean, he's a tall, handsome guy.

You know, he's, I don't know, if she just wants to have a little physical intimacy. I guess there are plenty of other hunky men that would, that she could get cracked by. If she just wants to get some, why does she have to like their character? Mary, I will say I also don't like Marciano, but I did hear through the grapevine that she makes him a better man. And you can laugh at that. She doesn't need to fix anyone else.

She just needs to get her, like. But why can't she mess around with a toxic fuck? Like, why does he have to be a good guy for her to just have some fun? If you're going to mess around with someone that's toxic, it can't be someone that you like. The Marciana is too much. I agree. Yeah, it's just like find someone, find someone toxic and new and hot. Don't do the toxic old hot person.

Yeah. Do we think that there was any part of it that was just like, I know this is going to just kill Jordan? Probably. Yeah. Because that I get. Unfortunately. I don't know. Sometimes I think that guys do things that just like really hurt women, like true actions that it's like that was so horrible.

Like I can't believe you would do that to me. And then girls were like, well, I'm actually not going to do anything. But like, I'm going to let myself be seen with Marciano. And like, that's going to really mess this head. And it does. And it's like, and it's like, and it's, maybe just a mind game. I don't know. Psychological warfare.

I am, I literally love that. Psychological warfare. Yes. Psychological warfare. If Sierra and West never dated, let's say Sierra had left the show and was doing bigger and better things two seasons ago and she was just completely removed from the summer house cast and the lore of it all. And do you think we would give a fuck if Amanda dated,

West and the only three people in that triangle were Kyle West and Amanda, I don't think we would give a fuck. I honestly think a lot of people would be very much team Amanda. And they would be like, yeah, that's what that's what you get when you ignore your wife for 10 years and she doesn't feel seen. And, you know, and there's this guy right there making her feel all the things that you never did. I don't think we would give a fuck. Right? Like, do we? I agree, actually. Yeah. I don't I don't think so. Not if Sierra was like not in the equation. Yeah. Yeah, because it's not like I'm like, how could we do this to Kyle? Like, that was never the thing.

It was how, like the Sierra of it all. So, yeah, no, if it was just Amanda and West, like I would be like, okay. So to my point, I just outside whatever Miranda feels about Jesse making out with Chase, and that honestly, I don't think Miranda doesn't seem to care. I have no judgment whatsoever on who Jesse Draper is making out with, hucking up with, or doing whatever she wants. because like, yeah, I think she was in a really, really bad situation. And I think it took her all the strength that she had to have the guts to finally leave.

And he is still being Jordan, that is, messy and toxic and all the things. And this is a response to that. And I think she is more than entitled to do whatever the fuck she wants for a period of time. As long as there's no collateral damage outside of Jordan's feelings. Yes, I completely agree with that. And for the record, she, like, I'm, this is just. just my opinion on her taste in men. That's fair. This is way, this is what, like, she's

allowed to do whatever she wants. Honestly, get it. Like, get it, be messy. This is your time to be messy. Turn on some Cheryl Crow and, like, go and live your life. We're just talking about hooking up here. I'm talking about hooking up. Well, I just, I think it's like Marciano, I think, just from my knowledge of

him just sends a chill up my spine. So whenever he comes back on the screen, I'm just like, Oh my God. Yeah, I know. Yeah, this is what I'm basing my entire. opinion off of his people I know from the internet. I say God bless. I think Jesse's really hot and she can get someone hotter. If you want someone hotter, Jesse, like, I see you with like Tom Selleck type of man.

She could DM a guy and get a response. Yeah. Whoever. I also saw like City Ladies if I was, you know, the single ones. I was like, do you guys like, are men in your DMs? Like, are they hitting you up, you know, because you're all single and they're like bone dry? I guess the boys are too scared. Straight men aren't necessarily

Straight single men are not necessarily watching housewives And keeping up with true. DEMming? Wes Wilson is probably There's probably 50 women out there That could come forward with Wes being like, I got DM'd Well that's because like, yeah Because the women are watching Bravo

But I think people are afraid to get involved with people that are messy online Like if you think that you are going to get exposed Like if you do something, if you make one wrong, like people posting relationships stuff post stagecoach It's like people are literally just like so down to out people with like relationships are messy. Like it can be bad. But it's, I mean, I think people that have a public image but are not reality, I understand why they would be nervous to like date a reality star or date like an influencer. It's like, damn, like, I'm like, you put on blast.

Surrounded by drama. If I do the wrong thing, yeah. And you shouldn't do the wrong thing. But like people are just imperfect. Yeah. And then meanwhile you're just trying to like figure out what your relationship is. Yeah. Yeah.

Do we have time to talk about Megan the Stalien? and Clay Thompson? Oh, my gosh. Speaking of... We got an NBA cheating scandal with Clay Thompson. We got an NFL cheating scandal with the coach of the Patriots.

Really? I don't know about the Patriots coach, but basically what happens is Megan the Stallion goes on her story posts. Cheating, had me around your whole family playing house, got cold feet, holding you down through all your

horrible mood swings and treatment towards me during your basketball season. Now you don't know if you can be monogamous, bitch, I need a real break after this one. Bye, y'all. She then released a statement saying, I've made the decision to end my relationship with Clay. Trust, fidelity, and respect are non-negotiable for me in a relationship.

And when those values are compromised, there is no real path forward. I'm taking this time to prioritize myself and move ahead with peace and clarity. And if there is one thing I could say to Clay Thompson. How fucking dare you? Megan the Stallion? You're going to fumble? Didn't he go in alive and accuse her of cheating? She did not.

He basically, I trust Megan. I trust Megan. That's my sister. Like, I feel so parisocial towards Megan. I didn't even look up his side of the story. It's just, it's just, all men have to do is the bare minimum. It is. It is.

I'm with you. And honestly, the biggest crime for me is the mood swings. I'm not going to lie. That is the biggest crime to me. I mean, when you walk on eggshells around like a, a guy just because of like he can't keep his like feelings to himself or communicate it. No, yeah. I'm like, mood swings are for me, but I don't even do them.

That is child's play to compare to what's going on into the NFL. Oh, tell us. Give us the tea then. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just wanted to say fuck Clay Thompson. Yeah, I'm just, yeah. You have Mike Rable, the coach of the New England Patriots, who is recently connected with Deanna Rossi.

She is a long time ESPN, like, writes for the Atlantic. She's been in the business for a long time covering the NFL. She's an NFL. insider. So she like gets the tea, you know, the scoop, the breaking news, sources close to the information. Well, it turns out that one of those sources is former player, now current head coach of the New England Patriots. He used to coach the Tennessee Titans. And like a month ago, there were pictures coming out of them like, you know, canoodling, you know, looking too close. She denied everything. He kind of denied everything. But then more came out. And then he's fine

because he's the guy and he's the coach and he's going to probably get away Scott's free. She has since resigned from her position. She's definitely getting the brunt of the criticism. But then now, now very much like Scamanda, where you're getting like old videos coming out. Now then a picture of them six years ago canoodling at a bar came out. And then like a day later, she broke like a story that only like she could have got

from like, say the coach of the Tennessee Titans, which Mike Vrabble was. And then she's married with a kid. She named her youngest son Mike. Michael. Oh my God. Oh my God. And then she tweeted something like I'm sitting here looking at my four-day-year-old son and wondering who are some of the best coaches and players named Michael. And now everyone's speculating is her youngest son, the son of Mike Rable, the head coach of the New England Patriots. Probably. This is when I need their husband. I need him to post on the story. I want to hear.

Yeah. Well, a lot of people think that he hired the PI to find out and get these folks. of these two because of what's been going on. So if you need more scandal out there, look no further than the NFL. They got you covered. Wow. Wives, talk to your husbands because if you want a good like mutual, you know, you can, you can compare notes on Scamanda and the Mike Raybrival Diana Rossi. That's crazy.

A great T-S, great Gab Sosh. Well, we do have Alicia from the Real Housewives of Rhode Island coming up before we do. We do have part one of the. reunion of Beverly Hills Housewives. My biggest takeaway is they're all jealous of Amanda. Really? You think? You think so? That wasn't my biggest takeaway either. I think they're annoyed with her. This is such an Amanda stand. I'm an Amanda stand. I mean, listen, she's set, yes, she is direct and she can say things that are a little crass and off-putting and things like- I love Amanda too. But I just think, like, listen, she has a lot of these things that, you know, like, she's one of the younger ones.

She is in a happy marriage despite what, you know, she has said about her husband or what was edited. And I think, you know, we had Amanda come on. And I think we definitely got to see a lot of snippets of how she talked about her husband. I do think that was interesting that they felt the need to push their, like how their husbands or how they would have felt if. Yeah. Like, it's like, well, they do have a different relationship than maybe you and your ex-husband. Yeah. Maybe Amanda's husband is nothing like P.K. Or even Moff to that stand. Maybe he is more of a progressive

enlightened man who is very secure at himself and is very comfortable with the job that he has and he is passionate about it. And maybe he really is truly turned on that his wife and mother of his children is his boss woman who makes a lot of money. And he is in no way bothered by the role he plays in this marriage. And it's just like funny to see Rachel Zoe, who is going to be. through this very messy divorce and she can't and she she she has no problem saying publicly that she won't even have like she won't even be in the same room as her ex-husband's girlfriend and she is telling Amanda how Amanda is supposed to speak to her husband as if like I don't know what's going on in Rachel'sau's marriage or their dynamic she has with her ex-husband but I don't

think Amanda needs notes from Rachel Zoe about how Amanda should be speaking or talking to her husband when in terms of, in terms of, like, making them feel valued insecure. I just don't, I think, I think Rachel's O'all looks a little silly in that moment because, and it just looks like you're jealous. It looks like you're mad that she's either younger. She, you know, she has all these, you know, if you're to reach, she has the money that DeReed doesn't have in the marriage that she doesn't have. If you're Rachel Zoh, she has the marriage that Rachel's doesn't have. The only one who doesn't seem all that jealous of her is Kyle, who, like, who could be if she wanted to, but Kyle's secure in herself. I mean, she still has this

relationship with Mo that despite it being a divorce, is still like, I think a lot of people in Kyle's shoes would pick the relationship she has with Mo over, like, say, the relationship Rachel Zoe has with her ex-husband. The way Kyle said, we are not in the same financial situation. I do how she liked it when she talks with, no offense. She gently said it. Doreet goes, the horrible gas. It's true.

I mean, listen, when you have news coming out that you're not paying your mortgage and you owe almost a million dollars, like, that's not like, oops, I'm a little late on my rent payment. And I do think that's valid for your friends to be like, hey, you're spending 4K on like something that you probably don't need. Like, is that necessary? I thought it was funny that she was like, well, they closed down the store for us and like, nobody's spending any money. I'm like, well, you don't have to personally take on that financial responsibility for the entire cast. I think that was Rachel's responsibility too, if that was her friend. Yeah. Right. I feel like also it's like the store is getting promo by being on the show. So I'm like, that's kind of a thing in itself. You know, you don't have to spend four-case. I do it. I do

I do appreciate Erica the ice queen coming back. Like she can just like, what is the word when you like, not rally, what is it called? Where you just hit the ping pong back and forth. Like she knows how to do it, especially with Doree. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She knows how to really lock in and get under Doreat skin. My favorite part was also Andy just like kind of being Doreet's whole like over Doreet's frustration. What do you say he was like yeah I know you're still frustrated I know you're frustrated you're frustrated you know that you're frustrated

I know that he's always been kind of shady either I know he's just like we get it I just don't think Amanda plays the game that the rest of these women especially in Bevhills play and it's very centered around the TV show and I just think Amanda hasn't bought in like when Erica says something like you just haven't been vulnerable with us I mean like I just think they

I don't think she's been vulnerable with them in the way that those women expect vulnerability, but I just think vulnerability can be shown in different ways. I just don't think it's the way these women want her to show. I think they want humility, not vulnerability, right? And then we got to interview Amanda and she talked about how she think, like false humility is kind of, it's manipulative, it's kind of a joke. And I think that's, I think these women kind of want Amanda or whoever new housewives to come in and kind of bow down to the feet of these women who've been on for so long. Ironically enough, the one person who's been on for so long, Kyle, is the person who cares the least about that. And it seems to be most secure with her position on the show. And she's the one who's kind of attacking Amanda the least, which is, I think, kind of funny.

Yeah. I don't know. I'm just watching anything like they, I don't know. They just seem kind of jealous. To me, they, they, yeah. Yeah. I'm jealous. Rachel Zoh dating a life coach had a cherry on top for me. Right? So it's Amanda. Right. She said they were not dating. I do think with Amanda, though, I kind of feel like. like she, like I do like Amanda and I hear everything you're saying, but I also think, kind of like what we're talking about with Summerhouse where it's like sometimes she's got to like say sorry or whatever. I feel like everyone's coming at her and I feel like she's not really taking any responsibility for kind of maybe rubbing people the wrong way where I feel like it could go a long way if she was just like, she's sitting there really defending and being like, well, we're all talking about this. We're all talking

about our handbags. We're all doing X, Y, and Z. I feel like she could just be like, I'm really sorry for how I'm coming across. Like, I'm so proud of what I've built. Like, she could just offer a sincerity. And I feel like that might go a long way, but I don't think she's like, I don't think she's like giving any of that. I just don't think she cares about their approval. And I think she finds it silly to have to apologize for something that to her point,

they're all doing. She's just getting clipped and they're focusing on her. And she's just like, what am I? I can give you a fake apology. I don't mean. Or I can just stand on business. Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy? Isn't that your quote?

Isn't that something you say where it's like, do you want to be right? Or do you want to be, do you want to have friends? Like sometimes it's like, okay, like, I'm sorry. I'm just, I'm sorry, I'm annoying. If Amanda called into Ask Nick and she came on our couch for an interview and she's like, guys, you know, help me out here. Why do you think I can't get these women to fuck with me or like me? Then yes, that would be my feedback.

I would be like, listen, just like you're saying things that rubble the wrong way. And if you really want to be included by these women, then yeah, you might need a move. But I don't think she, I don't think she cares. You know what I'm saying? I don't think that's a concern of hers. I don't think she is trying to be best friends with any of these women outside of maybe Kyle. So she is not going to do or say things that she doesn't mean just to like get their approval on a show. Like she doesn't care about that aspect of it. Okay. Yeah. If it was like, hey, I'm really cared about these like interpersonal relationships and help me connect with these women better, totally different response. I just don't think she gives a fuck. And I don't think she's complaining about why these women don't like her. I think she is frustrated about how she's been portrayed or how they've been hyper-focused on these one things about her that to her feel hypocritical given how they also move. Yeah. And that's fair.

Honestly, I do think that it's fair. I see where she's coming from. I feel like for me, Amanda does, to your point of sincerity, Susie, I think she is sincere in her own way. and I don't think that necessarily lands with the other women of Beverly Hills or the Bravo audience necessarily. Yeah, I think she is very much like she's been in therapy. Yeah, she doesn't like in mixed place she doesn't care. She's like this is how like she's like, okay.

She uses therapy talk and I don't think, I don't think it lands, you know. She uses therapy talk in a way that she actually understands what she's talking about. She overall has her shit to. together and she is grounded enough that when shit pops up in her life and drama happens, that she doesn't lose her shit and respond poorly only to have to clean up the mess. She just like kind of grounds herself and says and ask ourselves, all right, what's the best way to move forward? To your point, that's not your typical Bravo housewife and is not how the fans like their

housewives. They want to see the reaction. They want to seem to make bad decisions. Then they want to see them get on their knees, beg for them. get on their knees, beg for forgiveness, and then on the next season, have their redemptive arc so that we can, as fans, forgive them. And that gives us the power to say, we forgave you, you were contrite. And Amanda's like, fuck that. That's not who I am. And honestly, I fucking love it. And I respect it. And I think, honestly, she's definitely happier than all those

people on that cast. I agree. I mean, it's also interesting with the way Andy, Andy had said in the reunion that not since Camille Grammer, has he seen someone elicit such a strong, season one Camille grammar, mind you, in the audience. And it just got me thinking of like season one Camille, season two Camille. And the reason season one Camille pissed people off someone was because it seemed like she was just so completely unaware that Kelsey Grammer was being a fucking bitch and that she was also just not being nice to everyone on the cast. And then she gets, it is revealed that Kelsey Grammer put her on the show so he could cheat on her and then he leaves her. And then season two, you get

Camille being like, all right, I'm here. And that's when the troops really started rallying around Camille. Sadly, I don't think we're going to get another season of Amanda. I know. So it's like, and I really just like, that came at the price of Camille's relationship. So I would want the best for Amanda. But I think she's just interesting. You guys don't think that

so you think she's going to make. I'm manifesting that she comes back. I'm also manifesting. I don't think she's coming back. Wait, there. She has to. I want her back. You think on her end or? I think it's not for her. And I think that's going to be her decision. And I think she's just like, I think she now understands what this world is and what is

expected of her. And I think she's going to opt out. Well, I respect that then. I actually really respect that. People being able to say no and it doesn't suit them. No. All right. Well, up next, we have Alicia from the Real Housewives of Rhode Island, a fascinating character

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It's great to be with you. Nebraska says hi. I love Nebraska. I love her. Well, so you got to tell me, why do you call Ashley I. I-A-Kennetti Nebraska? Well, because she just came in so wholesome,

and I don't know. It was just like the first thing that popped in my head. I'm like, It's not Rhode Island, but she might be Nebraska. Okay. I've never been to Nebraska, but I just, that was her vibe. It was like a wholesome, country loving girl, beautiful, you know? Okay.

Have you met other people from Nebraska that they really stood out as wholesome? Or you just assume that everyone from Nebraska must be super wholesome and lovely? I just feel like I might have watched a movie maybe where everyone was so lovely in Nebraska because I never met anyone from Nebraska. That's great. Well, first of all, we're loving Rhode Island. We're loving you on it. It seems to be already a hit in the Bravo committee.

Were you a fan of the franchise before you became a housewife and just kind of like walk us through how you ended up on this show? So I was a fan of New Jersey. I liked Beverly Hills, but I wasn't like obsessed with the show. You know, if it was on, I would watch it. You know, my friends really loved it. And then people were saying that they were like looking for this Italian family in Rhode Island. So I was like, oh, it's never going to happen for a show. I'm like, you know, like nothing in Rhode Island.

No one even knows where Rhode Island did. And then someone called me and everything just thought it was just almost so easy. Like with the producers, like everything just worked out. So it just kind of happened. It was supposed to happen. Okay. Okay. But that makes sense.

Absolutely. Yeah. It seems fortuitous. Yeah. Oh, by the way, Jared says you're one of his favorites. I love him too. Stop it. I love him.

And I love his mother. His mother's so kind. She's definitely a Rhode Islander. You know, it's interesting. I'm curious what you think, Alicia, because obviously we've followed this franchise for a long time, and the storylines certainly can get messy, and fans will kind of make all these kind of speculations about,

you know, I'm seeing online that the Internet thinks Ashley Iconetti is a lesbian, apparently, because she was a... Were a backwards hat? Yeah, I don't know. It's just like... She wore a backwards hat. Yeah, I don't know. Whatever. It's like the internet internet.

Oh, so what? I know. It's silly. Which is kind of my point, Alicia. She's from Nebraska. But like, they're dear friends of mine. Jared stood up in my wedding. They're some of my closest friends. And it's knowing them as people before they kind of became part of the Bravo community. Like, they really are amazing. They're not only amazing people, but they are really a perfect for LATV. They're both incredibly corky and their characters, you know, like they, and it may. makes sense why they've been so successful in this space. And I know them as a person. And it makes

a lot of sense why they work on TV. So I guess I'm curious, Alicia, like, as you've gotten to know Ashley and Jared, like, is that something that you kind of see yourself where, like, have you always kind of been, like, with your friends or your family, kind of like a kind of a corky or just different? And like, like, it's a very unique. And I mean like that in a loving and special way. but like Ashley and Jared are such like characters and and and so sincere and so lovely, but they're also like really open and and just will like just be interesting people. And has that something that you've related to in your life that like works for why we love you on TV? I think that I was always very entertaining to people.

I just don't know how to not be myself and I feel like when I'm not being myself, it looks like I need to go to the hospital. I look like there's something wrong. Like I'm sick. And I feel like Ashley and Jared, they are like by hanging out with them off camera and on camera, they are exactly who they are. They don't change up to the cameras at all, you know?

Yeah. And I feel like you kind of have to be an open book to be on this show. Like you cannot have secrets or not want to express yourself. I just feel like it wouldn't work. And then it like, your friends around you, it wouldn't, it wouldn't vibe. The energy wouldn't like circulate, you know? No, that makes a lot of sense.

Is there anyone of your cast that you feel like is just slightly different on camera or off? Or is everyone just like Ashley and Jareding yourself? I think our camera depends on the day. And I always say that. Like it depends on like what subject we're talking about. Like if it's Rula with her husband, she might be more guarded, you know? Or Kelsey with her really.

Everyone has their time that we're more guarded, you know? Because sometimes it's really tough, especially if we have no idea about reality TV. how to like, you know, do it. And you have to like talk about like, only get a deepest problem. I feel like her next endeavor needs to be a, um, reading the like bedtime stories. Nick, you did one. What are they called?

Call map. Yeah. Call map. Yes. You need a call map and you need to read a Cinderella story or you need to read some bedtime book because I, your accent is just the best. It's so good. You think so because you know something?

I never thought I had an accent until I heard myself on TV. and I actually had really bad anxiety about it. Like, bad. Why? I think everyone loves it. It's like what everyone I feel like, every time we talk about Rhode Island, everyone's like, oh my God, and Alicia's accent. I know, but I'm like, how come no one else is that bad?

Like Liz grew up here. I'm like, isn't like hers and show Ellen, you know? I think you all have them, but there's something special about you and your accent. I love it so much. It makes me so happy. Well, you heard my shamlay, my aunt. They talk the same way. You know, so it's like that's all I know.

It's like the difference between a pizza with like a basic marinera sauce and a pizza with like a really good, it has really good flavor, you know, a little more spice. And I think your accent just has more. A little remix. Your accent has more flavor in a way that makes us go, it's not just another pizza. Yeah. Speaking of pizza, pizza chips. Yeah. Can you explain those a little bit more?

You said people eat them on the beach specific. and I think I'm just curious about the specificity of eating them on a beach. Okay, so, by the way, on the show, they went to the pizza strips. We did have the pizza chips, but they didn't show that. So I was like, oh, shit. But pizza chips, they're round. They're small. They're a little bit crispy.

And it's like lightly tomato sauce. So it's very refreshing. It's unbelievable. I don't remember ever going to the beach as a kid without having pizza. of chips on like mini spinach pies. So it's like an almost like an open face pizza roll? So it's not crunchy as a chip.

It's like it's just like it's like a crispy toast almost. That makes sense. Is the sauce warm or is it cold? No, ew. It's cold. You don't want to put in the oven. Like when people put in the oven,

you're ruining it. It's refreshing. Okay. Does that make sense? It's like very refreshing. I'll have to try one. It's like bringing a fruit salad to the beach. You know, it's like having like a cold drink.

You're having like a cold pizza. Gotcha. Without the cheese. Can we talk about your relationship for a second? Sure, of course. So you guys, you've been engaged for how long? Going on 10 years. Okay.

Is that something that are you guys kind of just comfortable with your current relationship status? Or like I imagine you probably get tired of this question and people ask it all the time. But is this by choice or would you prefer a different relationship status? So I feel like we, it started off with like, okay. let me have my daughter first, right? Because you're pregnant. You're like, I don't feel like having, you know, a wedding after I just have a baby. Like I'm still, you know, bloated.

You're hormonal. I didn't want to leave my child. And then I was like, I want my dream home. You know, like I'd rather have a home first to my daughter. So then we did that. And then it was COVID. So then, and then it was just like one thing after the next. And then the whole pre-nup thing was like, you know, in between it.

And I was just like, you know what? Fuck it at this point. I, if you want me to do that, I'm just going to just not marry you. What's the pre-nub thing? So he's an attorney. So Billy is also, you know, he owns a lot of restaurants and he's an attorney. So it started off with like, I will sign a pre-nub to his prior restaurants because some of them, you know, he's got business partners with and with his family. Like I am totally understands.

I don't want to take that. But I also want to be taking care of if anything ever happened, you know, because I'm the mother of his daughter. And so with him being an attorney, it was like, okay, so you have to go to the lawyers and tell them what you want. So I was like, okay. You know, so I did that. I had to go back a few times. And he was like, well, there's still nothing here. So I don't know what this guy is expecting from you.

He keeps like, he was playing like a mind game with me. Does that make sense? Yeah. Your fiance or your lawyer? My fiance was. They were like, well, there's nothing on the table except health insurance right now. So you have to say what you want. And that was like the second time that I went.

So I was like, okay, like he's, he knows I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm definitely not a lawyer. And I'm just going there with like, I'll sign a pre-nup to your restaurants. But like, this is like a mind game right now to me. So after that, I was like, screw it. Yeah, no, that makes sense. But if you, because like, again, I feel like the basic pre-nub is more like, hey, all right, before we met, what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours.

And then if we get married, we start accumulating wealth together. So the money that we make as individuals as a married couple is now ours instead of each other's. So like if you did that kind of like if that's the thing that you asked for, which is like, hey, I don't want to take anything that you've earned prior to us getting married. But like if we are a married couple, then like we should share in the things that we make together. Like now that you're a housewife. You are like little to heat now, right? Like, come on.

I imagine that things are going to be looking on the up and up for you, you know. You want to be asking him for a pre-nup. Yeah. So, but like, why not? Because now you said, like, if something happens, like, if something happens now, aren't you also kind of left with nothing from his end? 100%. It's like all on just like faith right now, faith and love. You know, that I'm like, and to be honest with you, it's kind of like embarrassing too. Like, I don't want to have to go back to the lawyers and not know what I'm talking about. It was like very, it was like hard. You know, he's like the best guy in the world, Billy. But when it comes to business and money, and he is like, he's got that attorney in him. Well, if we ever come to Rhode Island and hang out with Ashley and Jared and I get a chance to meet Billy, can I ask him about it on your behalf? Oh, yeah, of course.

Yeah. Can I be like, why don't you, you know, she's a beautiful, wonderful person? Doesn't she deserve that financial security and support? Why don't she want to? Now she's a housewife? She's been, you know, you've been engaged here for 10 years. Like, I'm good at those awkward conversations, Salisha. I will have your back.

You actually sound like Jared right now. I love it. With your voice. Where does that leave you with Pizza Mama? Yes. Curious about that. Yeah. Wasn't it kind of like you did a lot of the work on that?

I know that he might own it. But like I was a little confused in the episode when you guys were talking about it as to like what you're tied to it is or like why he wouldn't give you half ownership of that. Okay. So he owns a lot of restaurants. And so he was finally like, I'm going to like open up a small restaurant in Cranston. So I was like, oh my God, like, if you're going to open up a crat, like, let me help do this. Because like, this is where my entire family is. My grandfather owned a lot of bakeries and pizza restaurants and crantston.

So it was like to make sense, like, let me do it. So I came up with the whole name, the theme, everything. And so, again, he's got a business partner that actually like is the chef. And so he just didn't think about, like, you know. He's like, well, you live rent free. So. I birthed your child. I made this place gorgeous, put my name on the freaking leaf.

I know. That's another thing you need to talk to him about. Yeah. Add that to the list. Billy and I have to have some words. Yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah, you kind of slipped in there that you used to be a hairdresser. And I don't feel like that's not something anyone's really talking about.

Can you speak? This is something you've done up until fairly recently? So I was a hairstyle, like, I mean, for like 20 years. I just stopped working like a month before we started filming. Okay. So I'm like, I'm not really that much of a stay-at-home mom, you know? Like I cut down my hours a lot because of my daughter. But during filming, I didn't have that cash flow.

That's what I was talking about the cash. Because being a hairstylist, you're getting cash a lot because of tips. So I'm like, Billy, can I have money to get my nails done? Or that's what I was saying. Like, that's what was hard. Like the summer, I'm like, I will never be at stay-at-home mom. I hate the fact because I don't like going to the ATM and stuff like that. It's just, you know, like, I just expect.

him to be more, I don't know. But like, it's, you know, it's a learning process of both of us. I think by even him watching some of the episodes, he was like, I didn't even think that way, you know, but. Any consideration to still, like, maintaining the hairdresser gig, because I got to say,

I feel like the salons is where all the tea goes down. And I feel like there's a lot of great gossip at the salons. And I, for one, would kind of love a scene where maybe some tea is spilled. in the chair. And that is the start of like a season long drama. A hairstylist knows everyone's deepest, darkest secrets. Seriously, it's like a bartender. That was why I loved my job because I felt like I loved learning through people. I loved my clients. Loved them. Are you done for sure or could we bring it back potentially?

No, I'm done. I'm done. I'm done it. I was doing this as I was like 16 years old. I'm like 41. I'm all set. All right. Fair enough. Can I ask you about this past episode, Rosie? You had a really strong reaction to her, let's say, not relaying what you said correctly. And then I also think that that was the fastest makeup in a friendship I've ever seen. What was so triggering about Rosie and like where, like how do you feel about her as a friend today? Okay.

So at that beach scene, I was also saying. saying, which didn't make it on the show, like, how much I love Liz. Like, I understand how we all have to walk on eggshells with her. I was saying she lost her mom in a young age. I understand because of my father, we're cut from the same cloth, you know. So I was saying it like that, right? And also, Rosie, no one liked Rosie at first. I was the one that gave her a chance.

Like, I was the one that was like, I like this girl, blah, blah, blah. And she became one of my, like, closest friends on the show. So when she threw me under the bus, I was like, I had your back for so long. And the second you could, you twisted my words and you made me look like I was a snake. And that's why I lost my shit. Period. But I forgave her so quickly because I don't know if Rosie understands how, like, deep we go back. So I was like, you know what?

I can't like, because I do love her. It's like a little sister. I love Rosie. And she helps me out in other ways that the other, you know what I mean? We just have, like, fun together and stuff. but that's why I forgave it because I don't think she understood what she did, you know? Yeah.

Okay. Curious about, so obviously in this past episode a lot of stuff about like in the season in general, Rula and her husband are coming up. You said that Rula's husband, Brian, cheated on his first wife with your Spanish teacher. So Rula saw that episode. It was like Alicia didn't cheat on his wife with me.

me. I was like, okay. So I believe her. But I do love my Spanish teacher. She was actually one of the best Spanish teachers ever. She was like the kindest woman. That was my follow up. How was she as a Spanish teacher? Yeah. And so sweet. Like that's why. So sweet. I loved her. When you say, okay, doesn't sound like you actually believe her. Yeah. What's going on there? Okay. Well, because you know what? Like there's so many different rumors, you know, so I've always heard that. but, you know, she said that it didn't happen. Didn't happen. So I believe her.

I just think that she has a lot to face this season. And I just feel bad because even me, like even watching it back, I didn't see everything as I'm seeing it on TV right now. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, it's, you know, it's tough. What's some of the things that have been most surprising you to watch back that you didn't get to see while taping? Oh, you'll see.

Yeah, you'll see. So some of it, some of the proof that Joellen had, like, you know, like a lot of the stuff. Yeah, you'll say. I do actually have a question about Jo Ellen. So you, correct me if I'm wrong, but you were friends with Jo Ellen's sister in high school. Jen was one of my closest friends in high school. I love her.

So I've just seen some people online have been kind of obviously having opinions about Jen and Gary's relationship. And I was just curious, like, what your thoughts on that. Because they dated when they were in high school, right? Yeah, what's your thoughts on that and what's the talk of the town about that? Oh my God. I'm so happy you're doing this because let me clear the ear for both of them. Jen and Gary are the biggest ballbusters ever in this world. So Gary was one of my clothes.

I've known him since like I was in kindergarten. So they might have hooked up. They've never dated. I think they hooked up like Jen, Joe Ellen said that he might have touched her boobs or something. I almost died for that. But no. We're so close with Gary.

So she can play around and be like, I mean, we were in the same grade. You went to the same parties. Like, Gary's like a brother to her. And now the fact that he married her younger sister and now that she loves her nieces and nephews so much, it's, you know, they just joke around with it. He's, you know, they ballbussed. Got it, got it, got it, got it.

Cool. He may have touched her moves. I think she might want someone like Gary because Gary's such a great father. But no, no, no, no, never, no. Mm-hmm. Can you describe each of your cast members with one word? Yes.

Do you want to step by saying the name? Yes. Rosie, Bright, Ashley, wholesome, Joellen, detective, funny, I give her too. Rula, Rula, La, Stoic, Oh, Liz, boss,

Dolores, like, iconic, Kelsey, Kelsey, gorgeous. Yes, yes. So the geography of Rhode Island, I'm curious. that I'm curious about. So Cranston and Providence are 15 minutes away? 15 minutes. Sometimes with traffic, it might be 25.

Got it, got it, got it. So what's kind of the, it seems like there's a narrative between, like, Cranston and Providence of, like, Providence is nicer than Cranston. Is that true? I think that, like, yeah, I mean, it depends to who, yeah. I guess it's more like, yeah. Okay.

So Liz has gone kind of viral online with, like, but he is, ma. And I was just wondering what some of your like favorite Rhode Island sling terms are for our audience and for me so I can start using them. Like I love Skeve. Like do you have your hair of Skeve? Like I skeeve that girl. That's so skeevy. It's cute.

Mm-hmm. That's great. I don't know if you perhaps that. I don't know. Is that something you guys say? No. No. What does it mean?

I'm going to know. Like skeevy means like, oh, she's so, all right. So you can use it in two different ways. It's like the number one word they're going to use it in every sentence. Like I skeeve that girl. You know, like she looks dirty or she's acting skeevy, like she's acting thirsty. But it could also be like, oh, how skeevy, like how cute she is. You could use it like that too.

Oh, okay. How confusing. I don't. It's all in the intonation. Okay. Are we hugging or fighting? But it's in every sentence and it feels so good when you say it's skeeve. Like it's just like, ugh.

Like when someone grosses you out, you're like, oh, I skeeve her. Ooh. You skeve her. But then also if you love her outfit, you're like, I skeve her. No, it has to be cute. Like, oh, look at like my joy. for instance, Damalina I have a chihuahua.

And I'll be like, oh, she's so skeevy. Look at her with her bones. So when you, when we let you go and if we go, oh my God, that Alicia, she's so skeeby.

Is that a compliment? That's insulting. That's insulting. Okay, so don't do that. Okay. No, my God, no. I got to be honest, it's very confusing.

People are obsessed with wicked, like wicked good. Wicked good. Yeah, wicked cool. There's wicked good. Are you, like, friends with mass? Massachusetts in Boston? Are you like rivals with Massachusetts and Boston?

I have friends. We're so close. It's like almost the same. I do think there's something special about Rhode Island, though, from watching this show. It's like there's this like tight-knit aspect to it that just, it's beautiful. You know, I feel like that's what makes it so, like special is that we do know everything about each other. Like I know everyone's aunts, uncles. Like there's something that is so special about that.

And that's why it's so hard to leave. Because it's like, why would I leave and go to a different state when I know everyone's background here? It's a safety feeling. I feel safe, you know? Final question before we have to let you go, Alicia. What do you think we in the audience have most to look forward to as the season unfolds? I should say there's going to be a lot of drama, a lot of making up, a lot of people like speaking from their hearts. And I just think a lot of growing up for all of us.

We all grew up on the show. Okay. Alicia, we really appreciate taking the time. It's been so fun watching you these first few episodes of Rhode Island. We're excited to see where it goes. But really excited for your future as a housewife. Congratulations on the show being such a hit.

And we are really, really excited to see how everything goes this season. So thanks for taking the time, Alicia. Thank you guys. So nice meeting you. So nice meeting you. I hope to meet you in person soon. All right, take care. Bye.

Thank you guys for listening. Thank you to our guest Alicia from the Real Housewives of Rhode Island. And thank you all to listening. Don't forget to check out the reunion part one and part two of Temptation Island, which is available now. So be sure to check it out. We'll see you back on Thursday. Bye-bye.