The Viall Files - E1119 - INSANE Summer House Updates, NFL Cheating Scandal, McBee Drama & Selling Sunset's Sandra Vergara

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Ok so the most recent episode of Summer House was a doozy. Amanda in the text thread? Ciara calling West "her person"? Then Bailey and Lindsey on WWHL???? It's heating up, and of course we get into all of the hot button updates. Also…. There's some crazy psychological warfare happening via Spotify playlists with this NFL cheating scandal that we get into, as well as breaking down the McBee drama. Thought that wasn't enough??? Sandra Vergara from Selling Sunset stops by to get into how she found herself in reality tv! You won't want to miss it :) "I center women in my life. I have daughters." Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content?  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE?  Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff now!  Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774298881  Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4NWA8LBk15l2u5tNQqDcOO?si=3b868996930347e8  Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod Listen To Disrespectfully with Katie Maloney and Dayna Kathan now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Mint Mobile - If you like your money, Mint Mobile is for you. Shop plans at https://mintmobile.com/viall CarGurus - Buy or sell your next car today with CarGurus at https://cargurus.com  1-800 Flowers - Mother's Day is Sunday, May 10th and bouquets are selling out fast. Trust me, don't wait. To claim your Double Roses offer before they're gone, visit https://1800flowers.com/viall  Nutrafol - For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you visit https://nutrafol.com and enter promo code VIALL To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 18:37 - Sandra Joins 36:55 - Summer House 1:11:55 - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @sandravergara @ciaracrobinson @the_mare_bare @justinkaphillips  

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Yeah. We also have the household with us. Mary, Justin, Sweet Boy, Justin. Sierra is with us today. We got so much to talk about. We have a new, an updated episode of Summer House, certainly to get into.

It's activating everyone, including Lindsay Hubbard, who also had an appearance on Watch What Happens Live. And she definitely showed up. It was a lot of fun. Also this episode, after we get into all things Summer House scandal, we have Sandra Vergara. She is the sister of Sophia Rigara. And she's also a star of Selling Sunset, a relatively new cast member. And I'm just like always as fascinated by the stars that families have.

And like there is such a like a separation between reality TV star and like as we like refer to real stars. It's just like an interesting dynamic. But we get to know Sandra later this episode and you'll be glad that we did. She's such a fascinating person. And again, I know many of you are fans of selling Sunset. And I think we just have a lot of questions about like, what's the future of the show? And hopefully Sandra can help us answer to some of those. We got some other scandals going on in the universe of reality TV and the NFL, which I assume a lot of people who listen to this show have, you know, maybe you're an NFL fan.

Maybe you're a man in your life as an NFL fan. But that is a scandal that honestly, Sarah, I'm guessing you don't know about it. How did you know? It really puts Scamanda to shame. in terms of like... Yeah, there's like maybe a child out of wedlock involved. There's paternity speculation.

There's playlist. Is this the woman who like named her baby after her the guy she's going to fair with? We don't know for sure. Allegedly. I mean, she gave him the same name. Yeah. To break it down once again really quickly,

we have Diana Rossini, a very accomplished NFL beatwriter. She worked for ESPN. She covers like breaking news for the NFL. Recent pictures with her and Mike Rable, the head coach of the new wing. Patriots, formerly the head coach of the Tennessee Titans, and it was speculated they had a recent affair of some kind, some photos that were put out the internet that showed some recent canoodling. And now as the internet has picked up on it and has gained a lot of attention, now you're going

back and discovering that this is probably a relationship that's been maybe going on for years, five, six plus years. Old photos of them like getting cozy at the bar. In between that time, gave birth to a baby boy and named him Michael. Mike Brable is the man in question that she's has this alleged affair with. She also tweeted, you know, I said this on the two days episode. She tweeted something just sitting here with my four-year-old, four-day-old baby wondering how, what other like famous NFL head coaches and players are named Mike, which really gives. She's cryptically trying to tell the world that like this is this is another man's baby. I don't like it's maybe it's just all just a coincidence.

I don't know. And then like I think it was yesterday someone found a Spotify playlist. Can we, I have the playlist up if we want to go through it. So give me the deal. Yeah, because like she's only shared it with a person named Mike. Was that what it was? Yes. So basically, Darren and Rucini made a Spotify playlist called turn in the page, turn in one word, no G, ending on the end, the page that she shared with a user named Mike on December 19, 2022, which

just so happens to coincide with a four-game Titans losing streak. He was head coach of the Titans at this time. The Spotify playlist, you got... You got people picking apart the playlist. There's that. So she's like trying to give him some like motivational advice of like you got to turn the page, babe. Yeah, it's like cuff it, big energy, break my soul, house party, you know, raise your glass by pink. Can't stop red hot chili peppers. Welcome to the jungle. Can I have a question for. Mary and Justin. Oh. Maybe a question for you too.

But like I come from the generation where we would make play. We would burn CDs and make playlists for our, our crushes and our lovers. And it was a thing. And Diana is around my age. Is that something you all still doing for each other? My answer to that, Nick, is if you have to ask someone to make you a playlist, that's not love. If they're making you a playlist without you asking.

For sure. But are you guys doing that? Because that was definitely a thing when I was like out there. in my early teens in my 20th, 20s. It is. To be honest, in my personal experience, the amount of psychological warfare I have committed on people

from the playlists I have made for them. All like, because I'm so intentional about every single thing. I'm a psycho when it comes to making a playlist. So yeah, people are still doing it. Well, and are your playlist private? Because a lot of people don't know that if you know someone's Spotify username, you can see all of the playlist

that they've made. Minor public on purpose. Leak it. And how do we know, how do we know, like, is it Mike Vrabel's playlist? But how do we know it's connected to a mic? How does that work? Can you see if it's shared with someone? Usually if you have Spotify open, you can.

I've never seen the, if it's shared with someone. It's my understanding that the internet has connected it to a guy named Mike, but not necessarily Mike Vrable himself. I mean. It's a, well, this looks like a collaborative. Honestly, what it's looking like is a collaborative playlist. I'm just, I honestly, this is like a technical question of like for someone as famous as him. That sounds like Diana being like, guys, no, this is for my cousin, Mike.

She has since the lead of this playlist, by the way, once it was discovered. Of course she has. Of course she has. Maybe she sent it to one of the other Michael she was asking about in the tweet with the NFL. So true. She was like, wait, guys, I need to share this with a mic who I'm sitting here with my four days old. And also, guess what? But so famous, famous other correspondents in the NFL, Mike and Mike in the morning.

So it could have been either. I don't think she was asking for correspondence. I think she was asking for players and head coaches. And this was 2022, so four years ago? That's four years ago. Anyways, we got, you know, she's married. They got kids together. He's married.

I mean, compared to Scamanda, where you got like a situation ship that's two years. old and a married couple that is separated but not divorced. And like, I mean, we'll get in the episode. But like, this is the first time I really felt for Kyle. And that him talking about the lack of responses from Amanda is like, was jarring. That was, that was wild. Anyway, we'll get into that. Also, have you guys seen this whole like McBee dynasty drama going on? It's nuts. Yeah. Like, in and out. It's insane. Every hour there's another thing as well. Like, I feel like I, I mean, it started yesterday or the day before that, but he, like, randomly posted on his Instagram story, alleging that his girlfriend has, was cheating on him at stagecoach and, like, was posting

how he's gotten DMs and he's gotten these calls. And he was like, I literally left her yesterday to come home. And now I'm being told that she was, like, cheating on me all night, like, grinding on some guy. He posts a screenshot of a video that someone sent him of her and a guy, I guess. Is this a video that you showed me? Yeah, he just posted a screenshot of it. He didn't post the actual video. But he posted the message along with the video from a fan being like,

hey, are you still dating this girl? Because she was like grinding on this guy all night and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's the video of it. And then he posts like, while I'm up at the gym at 4.30 in the morning, she's at an after party. Like, just these are all on his stories. Then he posts a reel and he's like, I just want to apologize to like my family and my friends and my business associates who saw me kind of like crash out on my stories. I just was like so taken aback and I couldn't believe what I was hearing and what I was seeing.

And like she's just the type of person who. Keep in mind, this is him allegedly like coming down from this like alleged like freak out. Yeah, he was saying that he's like spiraling crash out this morning. Like this is his rational version of him. Yeah. Now he's giving like more details. And he's like, you know, I just was really not expect. You know, I don't know.

She's really just the type of person who cares about every event. And she's just such an attention seeking person. And like, she's definitely not a housewife. She's a whore, ribble person. I was like, I couldn't, when I was listening to this, I could not believe that I heard that. Because like, I don't, does he, clearly he's, Is this a joke or something?

Is it like, he's not being that cryptic. It was, there was like a two second pause between whore and a bo-person. Which, like, I was just like, what does he, you know? And then. On a real? On a real. On a real. I'm like that part.

You want that solidified? I'm just like, it's giving like fourth grade. Like, you're a whore. Abol person. Like, okay. Child. What? Yeah.

Unless you're from the, unless you were in New Jersey Housewife or. a Rhode Island housewife and you're from the East Coast, you can't say whore. Thank you. Anymore. Sorry. So he posts this whole reel and everyone is kind of like, oh my God. I think honestly, he had support from Kyle Cook. He had support from Kristen Doty.

He had support from a few other people. And they must have either. Did you guys just listen in the first 15 seconds or did you miss the part where he said the word whore? They must have missed it. Must have. I'm going to have to give them. At that point, it was a one-sided story to though.

So they were just seeing like a little bit of it not the full picture. Yeah, but here's what doesn't add up. All right, first of all, like, okay, fine. If your girlfriend cheated on you at a concert, like, again, not justifying any type of language speaking to woman like this. But we, if you want to give this man grace and say he had like a breakdown from like just being his heart ripped out and for the first time seeing her as a different version than what he saw her, then then, you know, again, you're not justifying it. but maybe you could at least give him some grace. But in this video, in this real, he's just like talking about someone he clearly fucking hates.

He's talking about how she's like a low, like how she's superficial and she's going, well, if you thought of, if this is what you think of your girlfriend, why is she your girlfriend? But it's also so crazy because this is the video where he's like being like, oh, my business associates saw my stories.

And so now this is where I'm going to like clear it all up. Do you think he posted the unedited version? You know, like he meant it to be the first part and then accidentally posted the full part of it. Well, I saw that people are like were DMing him or posting about him calling her a horrible person. And he's like in his DMs, they're posting screenshots. He's in his DMs being like lies. I didn't say that. I said horrible person.

I just had like I just had a brain fart or I just had. He gave like a look to the camera like a wink. It was like, I'm funny. Like. No, you can't walk that bad. No, you're not. You're a misogynist. I mean, and I don't want to be judgy, but I'm just like, I guess in my, what I'm so confused about is like, isn't his whole show like about like the family and like what not? Like did you not have like friends or family that you could run to and talk to about this before you took it to the internet?

That's what's so crazy. And in this video, he's saying that like he, you know, hadn't heard from her and he's like, I told her to call me and she like hadn't called me. So everyone is seemingly kind of. If you've been to stagecoach, a lot of people don't have reception there. It's kind of fucking crazy. Yeah. Wait, are you telling me that the first time that the girlfriend or the ex-girlfriend who's heard all of this is via this real or social media shit?

That's so gross. So then she, Ali, was his girlfriend. She comes out on her Instagram and posts kind of a long statement. And she's saying like, it's very disappointing to get on social media and see that like he took it there before having a conversation with me. Like we have not spoke. We did not speak. he just like got on his Instagram stories, got on his reel, like made all these videos. We haven't even had a chance to like talk about what this video is or was like he just went

and did this. Also, I've protected him so many times in our relationship and blah, blah, blah. And she's kind of like, here is, I'm going to post the video since he didn't. And I will let all of you like, you know. Decide for yourself. Decide for yourself. And she posts this video. And when I tell you, I was. like, I must have missed something.

Let me go back. I'm like, did I, did it skip or did I, did I? Slow it down. Did you, my phone buffer? Did you get binoculars? At one point, there is a guy seemingly standing in front of her and then he turns around and then like she whispers into his ear. Keep in mind, they're at a concert.

Yeah, it's loud. With hundreds of thousands of people around. Can we see what she's whispering? Can we get like a lip reader up in here? No, no, no. It's like from far away. And clearly this person like tries to move the camera when she starts to whisper because they think like, oh, they're going to like actually do something out. And also in her statement, she was like, I was with like a group of friends of mine.

He was with this group of friends. This person in question is someone I've known for like forever. He's like a family friend. And then she posts like the screenshots of his text messages to her. Steven's text messages. Yeah. Yeah, and they are actually so insane, like calling her like a hooker and a whore and like fly right here. Change your flight.

Come get your shit, you stupid whore. I can't like you. Crazy, crazy, crazy messages. And it's just like the fact that we have just another Bravo man like clearly being this very toxic. It's like a tale is old as time. Yeah. It's crazy. He's like the main guy on McPie.

too. Stop dating these Bravo men. I'm honestly shocked that we, we, that's not the discourse that's going on regarding this topic about like this guy. We throw words around like emotional abuse so flippantly these days, you know, it's just like if someone yells at you, it's like, oh, they were emotionally abusive. Like this is, again, abuse is about a pattern. So I don't know. Maybe this is a one off. I don't know. But what you saw in these videos of in him trying to be funny and is like, hey, I've calmed down now video. And then we see screenshots of him just like repeatedly berating her. It seems like a pattern.

Then you have his ex-girlfriend come out and she posts kind of a statement saying like, guys, this is also what I went through. Like this is something that he does. These are words that he uses. So clearly this is a pattern. This is who he is. but it's just like, it's just, I mean, I guess I'm not. Why am I surprised?

I mean, you have to be very, like, comfortable, like, comfortable calling women out of their name like that, as I said, to take it to the internet in such a manner. So fast with no thoughts. You know what I mean? And then you have an ex-girlfriend. Yeah, like, you have an ex-girlfriend coming out being like, nope, that's 100% checks out.

Like, I'm like, this is this man's character. It's authentically him, which is the sad part. Yeah. Yeah, that's just a pattern at that point. and that's who you are as a person. And if you can't, like, look at that situation and be like, hmm, this says something, like, really messed up about me and my psyche.

And maybe I should, like, try to fix that. But I am just surprised that the way the internet will still, like, buy his explanation. And maybe it's just the women hating women, like. Misogyny, yeah. But it's just more like, people are more focused on, like, is she a party girl? Did she, you know, it's like, are you fucking kidding me?

Like, why does that matter? Like, if you've known who this person is, then why is she your girlfriend? Like, you know, like all of a sudden it's an issue? Like, it sounds like you, y'all don't like each other. Anyways, that's crazy. Coming up next, we have Sandra Vergara. Certainly if you are a Selling Sunset fan, you know who she is. She is one of the most recent cast members of Selling Sunset.

She's also the sister of Sophia Rigara, one of the biggest actors out there right now. We have her on. What a fascinating person. It was so much, so much fun. She's like kind of getting into reality TV. Like also she has that kind of classic Vigara voice, which something about it. There's just like say more.

She's so cool. Right? You're just like keep talking. It like tickles your brain. Yeah. She like was she was like making eye contact me with me while we were talking. I was like I could listen to you speak for hours. She's a genuine human too.

Yeah. The genetics too are so strong. So strong. Anyway, she's uh, she is coming up next. And then obviously we're going to get into all things summer house. the most recent episode was jaw dropping as they all seem to be these days.

Lindsay Hubbard was on, watch what happens live, and there's so much more even to get into and break down and discuss, and we certainly do that following Sandra. But up next, and get ready to just just feel good and have some fun and get some selling sunset tea

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Obviously, like a lot of people know who your sister is and then know you through your sister. But it's exciting to get to know you a little bit better now that you have been a part. of the Selling Sunset cast. Yes, here I am. I'm curious, like, you know, before you were on the Selling Sunset cast, you, you know, you've worked in entertainment, you've worked as an Enew correspondent, you've done some acting as your own. I come from like the reality TV world.

That was kind of my origin story. And then like a lot of people like myself who get like that opportunity, you know, I've tried acting. I've done the hosting. You know, there's a lot of reality TV stars like kind of make it transition to more like, call it traditional entertainment. Right. I am curious for someone who kind of started in the more traditional space,

what was the appeal to you to say yes to a reality TV show like Selling Sunset? That's a great question. So yes, I was an entertainment journalist before, a TV host, talk show host, and I had done some acting, but like my favorite role has always been sort of like presenting and like playing myself. It's what's for me easier, I guess. Yeah. I find myself very unfilled.

and direct. And so I was going through a really hard breakup in the end of 2024. And then I meant to meet with Netflix for like a general meeting to host their live events and some of their, you know, non-scripted but not necessary reality shows. And the casting director's like, are you into real estate? And I'm like, no. And then I said, but my family and friends for years have been telling me I need to do real estate that I'd be amazing at it.

So it's crazy that she said that, right? So she's like, okay, just please do me a favor of meet with Don and Done the production company for the show called

Selling Sonset. I had never seen it before. I hadn't watched a reality show before this. I kid you not. I mean, I've seen glimpses of the Kardashians,

but have I sat down and watched a reality TV show? Never. Not really. And so I was like, okay, right? So I met with them and they're like, they loved me. And they're like, would you be willing to get your license and like, you know, do this? And I'm like, fuck it.

You know, it's a challenge. So I'm like, let's go. Because I needed that, I needed that opportunity in a sense because it was something so challenging and different for me to get out of my heartbreak. So I just saw it as like the perfect thing to get me out of my heartbreak. So I just saw it as like the perfect thing to get me out of my head, to get me out of the moment. And so I did it and I went for it. And, you know, I go in brand new and all these established realtors, you know, brand new to the reality TV world, brand new to the producers, puppeteering. It was crazy.

So you actually got, I mean, there is no plan around. You actually have to get your license? Hell yes. So they were like, if you want to be on the show, you got to do some homework, you got to study. Well, of course. And I wanted to get my license. If I do something, I go all in. I don't half ass, you know, like full ass. So I'm like done. Somebody takes time. So like we were meant to shoot like in two week notice. So you're not going to get your license immediately. So I started doing the process and I got my license maybe like two months after we wrapped. So in that in season nine, I couldn't really show property, but I could co-list with my fellow agents. Gotcha.

And then I got my license. So, yeah, it was a wonderful experience. It was a shit show, but also a great experience because, you know, it helped me. What was the most surprising thing for you finishing filming your first season in terms of like what your expectations were versus like what the reality was? filming with your cast members. So I like, I'm like, I'm not really going to watch the show and I'm just going to go in, you know, fresh.

And then like by episode two, I'm like, oh, no, I'm watching this shit. And so I watched some of it. And like, not from the season one, I watched from like six to eight, which was the cast that I was with. And you know what? Everybody was really nice.

And my favorite person was, well, no, Not my favorite because others are going to be like, wait, what do you mean? But I really love Jason and I honestly thought he'd be a douche and he is the opposite of a douche. Like he is not duchy. He was so respectful. He was so like helpful and like offered me guidance and like just exactly what you need as starting a new job, right? And super respectful. Maybe I'm not east type, but he did not hit him.

And the girls were great, you know. There were some cattyness, but like, just like in every place, you know. You're the new kid in school. You're going to get bullied somehow. But I don't. I made a lot of friends, honestly. Can I ask you about your experience with Cichelle? Yeah, my experience was kind of bizarre because I truly didn't really get to meet her

because I suppose she comes in super, super guarded. And I found out later on that apparently they set her up that way as to, like, people that come in. They're sort of like put people against her or something. And so she's already coming in pretty exposed with these, like, trusting stuff. Okay. So my experience was, like, odd. And then, you know, and then she said, I keep somebody's gone. That was crazy because I was like, at first I'm like, what are you talking about?

And then as I'm driving home after that scene, I remember the license and I'm like, the name of the person, it was an old neighbor of mine. But like my only dispute with that neighbor was the music. I play radio head a lot. And she would always be like, she didn't like Tom York. Can you stop playing let down? Can you stop playing an airbag? Yeah. It's my favorite.

But that was it. I didn't like, I didn't, obviously didn't do any of that. I don't know. And then Chris Hill backtracked. Okay. Afterwards. And she's like, well, this person might have stolen from me so I don't believe it. But like, yeah, why then do that?

Or bring it on camera. Yeah. You know? I mean, why? Like, why do that? I was like, I was, that was super surprising to be. Because it's already a very stressful. ambience. Have you become a fan of a reality TV now that you're on it and not that you're watching it?

And are there, you think that this is kind of a gateway for you becoming a fan of some other shows that are out there? Okay, I'm going to be fully honest. Last year, my best friend's like, please watch Love Island, please watch Love Island. I'm not going to go watch that trash. Please watch Low Island. Fine. I watched it and I binged that in like today. Welcome. And I was like, what the hell? And then I Google like, Love Violent UK. It's the best season. And then I watched best season of Love Island UK.

And so like I did that. And I swear to God, it's not because I'm here and it's you too. My favorite reality TV show is the age of attraction. Hands down. That's the best show of singing. Thank you. Top dog. It's so good.

But it's excellent that show. And I loved selling the OC. Yeah. I loved it. Since you're talking about it, what did you love about our show? Why do you think it was so good? Well, I thought you two were incredible at like getting them to open up and talk. And I think that the whole concept is brilliant.

And it hadn't been done before. I mean, I'm not a reality TV joking, but I've never seen anything like it. I've never seen like older women with younger men. on a reality TV show. And so the concept was unique. The cast was great. The storylines were great as well. Like, I wasn't bored for a second.

And honestly, you two really brought in your A game. It was really natural for you two as a couple. I thought my wife was a star. I thought I was totally fine. I think you both were. You both were. You could see it was just very natural. And I love what it looks natural.

It makes me going to watch when it's like, sort of stage and fakey. It's like, no. Well, thank you for saying. And we felt the same way. It's interesting being host of the show because you assume that you're just going to like love it because it's your show. But like there's just no guarantee. You know, I'm sure there's a lot of actors out there who like are in a movie and then they go back and watch it and be like, what was I in?

Like, what was this? Do you have any insight on like where Selling Sunset is? Do you know, can you tell us what's going on? I can't really say much because I can't, you know, who it is. But I know that it's going to be spicy and surprising. And he's going to have very, like, bomb shells and, like, new twist. And it's going to be like they're bringing their A game is all I know. Are you familiar with the name Christine Quinn?

Yeah, of course. Okay. I think she's great. Okay. Would you welcome her back if they brought her belt? I totally think she'd be incredible because she is good TV, right? I mean, I haven't seen her season, but I've seen clips. And the clips are great.

Back to Love Island, Sandra. I am curious. So you've never seen it live. Have you watched it live? Never live, no. That's a whole different experience. Really? Yes, because there is something about watching these people knowing that it's still being

filmed because so many, every other reality TV shows you know, you film it, months go by they edit it they think you know and like you're kind of like you find yourself like wondering what they're doing you're like you know they're waking up right now and like they're you know it's like this kind of weird fascinating like connection you feel with the cast it's in a bizarre fun way so you should tune into the season I was going to say and one of the best parts too is that it's like it's like it's every day so it's like if you come home and you're like what do I put on you have an episode it's just like every single day there's a new episode and then if you don't watch you're like cool I've got five episodes to pinch when does it do you guys

know when does it come out? June? In June? Okay, yeah. Oh, I also just watch Love Overboard. I thought that was a great show. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, I enjoyed it.

What are some things other than reality TV shows that you are loving right now? So I'm on this, like, mainly I paint, but I'm also a counselor. So I love helping people. I'm also in recovery. So I love, you know, helping people. I think that mainly why I, entered the bigger platforms is because I want to sort of like make it a good thing and have a bigger, broader voice. I think that's partially when selling something came up on my lap. I'm like,

great, because that'll be a platform for me to open up doors. And so yeah, I, I partnered up with this skincare line called Oseer, and it is incredible. It's like a glow. It's like if you had an orgasm. I'm a product. Okay. I'll take 10. And it's a, you know, it's Korean clean skin care. And it's, it's, it's, my favorite thing is that the message it gives back to people in recovery in drug and alcohol recovery. Oh, wow.

With every purchase. So I love that. And yeah, and I'm also coming up with something called the alignment blueprint, which is where I just use my tools to help people get aligned. in life, not just in reality, but like in general. Sandra, you should come back for an Ask Nick episode and help me give relationship advice to some callers. Oh, I would love that. Yeah, you'd be good at that. It's fun. It's fun. I love, yeah, totally. What would be like your top three relationship advice just like hot takes that you would give to people in general? Don't play games.

Crucial. Like, you know what I mean? Like, oh God, if you want to text text, but like, But don't do it from lack. Make sure that whatever you do, you're coming from a whole place and not a place where you want to take something from one, that validation, attention. So that's one. Just whatever you get into, make sure you're a whole person. That's how I feel.

And then the other is don't drink too much on the first, second date. Practical. Keep it to two max. Keep it cute. Because then you're going to be talking about like your grandmother's like past, affairs with, you know, the gardener, and then you're going to feel shame. So keep it toned down with the alcohol department. And the third one is, take your time. Don't be open your legs. We don't be, you know, putting your V, no Vs quick. Period. Because it's so good when you wait a

little. Like, sex, to me, it's really important. And it's better if you get to know the person a little bit. And then it's like, ah, the reveal, rather than just, you know, opening it off right away without really getting to know the person first. Call me Colombian traditional. I hope you do being bang on the first date. But, yeah. That's hilarious. Sandra, this has been so much fun. I would love, I wish you were watching Summer House.

I would love to get your take on the Amanda West. Should I watch it? Well, I'm going to watch it now. It's messy this season. It's massive. You have four key players right now where you, you have a married couple, Kyle and Amanda, 10 years of marriage. This past season, we've been watching him kind of like separate.

There's a lot, no, not a lot of love there. Then you have Sierra and West, who have been in this like situation ship for a couple years. And then they had kind of a messy falling out. But this West guy has kind of kept her close, you know, done the whole like, I, you know, we can be friends. I don't know if I want to be friends, but I still value. But like he's also kind of like enjoying the fact that he's like single, 30, famous. he's fucking around he's having some fun

and then out of nowhere West and Amanda started dating and West and Amanda and Sierra are friends so Sierra has been going to Amanda for like relationship advice West and like you know like and many people would be like hey maybe Sarah you need to move on

but like you know Sierra stuck you know like we've all been stuck on a person that for whatever reason we're just like is kind of like we're addicted to I don't know you just said it it's addicting and instead of being a friend, she just decided to start hooking up with them. And that's where we're at right. Thank you. Do everyone hate her

right now? Oh my God, yes. Of course. But he's getting, I think he's getting off too easy because he's been yeah. But yes, no, she's getting all of me. I'm gonna be binging this. I'm gonna be binging this. See, that's the thing with, you know,

speaking of like, you know, so the last winners of Love Island was it Amaya and the Brian? Brian and Amaya, yeah. Wasn't that bullshit? Oh, 100%. 100%. We don't like how she represented us women.

They have you, they have a spin-off right now called Beyond the Villa. Yeah, and they take none of the main people from this last season, but it's like the winners and then everybody else. And it's a pretty tough watch, I will say. I'm gonna watch. Yeah, they get into it. I was like, Amaya is like untouchable in her mind. What would you take on Nick and Al-Andria? Did you think that was like a legit thing or no?

Nah. It don't seem real. Giving PR relationship. believe in the romance. I just don't see the chemistry. They're still together. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. They're still doing brand deals. I don't even know if they live in the same state. Who knows? But maybe they are to the other guys. Maybe they are together. Yeah. Who knows? But, okay, so I have homework to do. I have the summer house. Summerhouse. Yeah, it's

the first season, though, right? Oh, no. We're on season 10. I started on eight, so. You could just watch this season and follow the story and be locked in, or there's two different ways to consume Bravo, like, because they do a lot of flashbacks. So, like, you could start, like, very pulp fiction and you could start watching it. And then, you know, they'll reference things from past. A lot of times they show flashbacks. If not, you could go back and watch an old episode. It's kind of fun that way. You can almost start whenever you want, right? And it just, you receive the story in a different way. But Sandra, this has been so much fun. Thanks for coming. Come back and do an ask Nick with me, but especially if you start getting into some,

like, reality TV. And you, like, I'm going to make it. message you as soon as I'm done binging. All right. And we're going to do this. Okay. I love it. Thanks for coming, Sandra. Where can people find you, follow you on social, all that fun stuff?

Follow me on Instagram at Sandra Vergara. You need to do like an audio book and I would listen to it over and over again. Just just, just you, hopefully an epic novel, a long one. And I just want to like chapter a day. I could listen to that voice all day long. The alchemist. Do it. Yeah.

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Love her. Love her. Love her. Sorry, I had to run out. River was coming to telling my mom for telling her no. For telling her no. Yes. All right.

But we are back. And now it's time. And many of you all have been waiting for. Let's get into Summerhouse. starting with what we watched last night. These episodes keep getting more and more jaw-dropping. Going around the room, want to know, what from last night's episode,

has it changed your opinion? What narrative really screams? As you watch these shows, not necessarily change your opinion, but what is your biggest takeaway from the most recent episode of Summerhouse, Sarah? Go. My biggest takeaway is West is full of it.

The need to, I feel like his interviews are for Mandy. I feel like he wants it to be like, oh, like I had no control. Sabrina just told me I'm going on a double date. Oh, you couldn't be busy that day. You couldn't have other plans. You couldn't decline. You just are being forced to go on this double date the day after you make up.

And then it's like seeing him go into Sierra's room and asking for like five minute long hugs and rubbing her head and being like, oh, we finally got here. And then to be so flippant in his interviews, I'm just like, no, no, no, you're trying to control a narrative. And you don't know what's going to be used from the summer, like, from that footage. but I'm like to watch him go in twice for these like long extended embraces and like not trying to declare any type of boundaries or anything. He's like, oh, it's too soon in his interview, but you agreed to go. So that's my takeaway is that like West is just kind of full of shit and he says what he wants to say to appease whatever woman he thinks is paying attention at that moment. Well, I did hear that like they were doing these confessionals around this like alleged beginning timeline that him and Amanda started things. So that makes sense that like he kind of goes into his confessionals being like, oh, I don't know what that was all about trying to like protect his relationship with Amanda.

And it does seem like there is a bit of a switchup that's happening in these confessions. I'm curious if you guys think the same thing. He used to be earlier in the confessionals like, yeah, I don't know. It's Sierra. Like there's just something about Sierra. And now he's like, I don't know. But also at the bar where I'm just kind of like, again, he's saying, best weekend of his life, best moment, so happy to be making up with Sierra.

His summer is just getting started. He gets to this soft bar opening with talking to, which by the way, was beautiful. Yes, it was. Talks to Carl. Shut up Carl. But talking to Amanda and Kyle's right next to him, right? Kyle keeps cutting him off, cutting him off. And then he's like, I just, you know, after everything, that conversation was here,

I just wished that Amanda would get out of the car. What a weird ass fucking thing to say to add to that story. That was so strange. I literally was like, wait, why? Why? Because we could have like, you know, like played a trick on them or something. Huh? That doesn't even make sense. So I'm just like even then it still feels like he's appeasing some sort of emotional affair, if not physical, but emotional catering to her feelings because heaven forbid he said he had the best night when she wasn't there. So now he's got to make up for it. Like, no, I was wishing you were there the whole time. It's also so funny to like watch Amanda's like the way her face just lights up around West. Like the laughs, the smiles. And then the second it's like one on one with Kyle, the like draw, the depression hits. But the second that like she's having that conversation with West and Kyle comes up and she's like, oh my God, just let him talk. Oh my God.

And then you see like. I'm a fun girl. It's just, it's so wild. I will say Morgan Stewart, and I think she's getting like a little bit of a backlash for this, but she posted like a clip from her obviously talking about all this on her show. And she was like kind of saying the entire internet piling on Amanda on one person, like acting as if you know these people like is wild. Like it's just a crazy thing to do to act like you are personally victimized by what is happening.

She's getting backlash for that. Oh, I mean, yeah. People are like, well, what do you mean? What about Sierra's feelings? Like, well, this is the wrong. Take Morgan. How dare you say this? Like, definitely for sure.

I mean, sure. But it's just, she's literally just saying like, maybe we all shouldn't pile on one person because we don't ever know what's going on in someone's life. And you can't take back what you say. And like, if something bad were to happen, you would feel really bad. And I completely. That's an amazing. I know.

Stan Morgan Stewart for that take. That's what I said too. But people are definitely mad at her for that. I agree with you, Sierra. That's one of my biggest takeaways. It's just more like the, kind of to you both of your points, it's just more,

I don't know, you watch that episode. And I'm just wondering why Amanda is getting what, he feels like 80% of the hate. And to me, you watch this episode. And it's just like, again,

I've talked about this in previous episodes. This was just a demonstration of what I kind of refer to is like the modern 2026, like, weak man, right? Like, you know, West is in full control of these relationships and he positions himself as someone who's not in control. And he sets just enough of boundaries with these women, specifically Sierra, to protect himself. So he can always be like, well, I'm not sure. And I've told her, you know, I'm not, I can't be in a relationship. But he gives her just enough, just enough to

keep her close while also having this kind of deniability. And he kind of does, you know, the same thing with Amanda. And again, not to talk, not to excuse Amanda's choices, but I'm just shocked that like there's not more people at least like empathizing with Amanda from the point of view of like these decisions aren't made in a vacuum. And like, again, it doesn't isn't a justification, but how can't not we at least understand how maybe she got to this point. A person who has like over the years have talked about like her desire to like settle down and have a family and that clearly hasn't worked out with Kyle. I would agree with all of that. this and maybe and maybe it is hard to agree with this just because we have heard leaks from

the reunion where she does not sound one bit remorseful and I think had she gone to the reunion and been like listen guys this is what I'm going through I don't know what the fuck I'm thinking in my head I'm like shit is crazy I found a safe place in West like this is what happened, blah, blah, I just can't believe it. But she's, every clip we've heard, and we haven't watched the whole reunion, there is so much more to watch and maybe she'll surprise us. But like, everything we've heard is West being silent and her being defensive. And so I think she has everyone coming for her. And I just don't think, you're right. We're not seeing that yet. But this is like, this is not the type of clarity. You, if, if a man is making bad decisions and she is making

decisions mostly based off of how she doesn't want to feel versus how she wants to feel in the sense of like maybe she doesn't want to feel alone. Maybe she just wants to feel validated. Again, like, does you call it pick me energy or whatever you have? But it's like it's very relatable and very humanizing to like have this like a longing for a feeling and you find it with someone. And then you convince yourself that is someone who's healthy for you and good for you in a way that West is probably not. Right. And I just don't think she's at that point of clarity. She is clearly doubling and tripling down. Like the fact that they are insisting

that this is some sort of like real thing between the two of them and like that they actually might get married or whatever. Like the way we're all kind of like, you better if I can fucking get married. And I think they're kind of playing into that. I just don't think now is a time

where you're going to see that type of clarity from Amanda. The same way it's just like now there's this like clip floating around of Sierra referring to West as her person. Like yes. I'm assuming that in the not too distant future Sierra's going to look back and be like that what I can't believe

I said that out loud. I can't believe I felt that or feel that. Like, it's understandable how she got there. But, like, I don't think Sierra would want to think that, like, what West brought to the table and his lack of consistency that she would want to refer to a guy like West and the way he's treated her is her person. That's how she feels in that moment. She's wrapped up into this kind of game that West has played and this kind of breadcrumbing he's done. But, like, I think she will see that clarity in the future to be like, I can't believe I actually called that guy my person. I'm going to double down and say Amanda's going to say the same thing in the next six months. I'm just like, this is who West is.

West isn't a settle down person. So I was like any person that could see a guy do that to their friend and then be like, you know what? It's going to be different with me. Like, good fucking luck. But I'm just like, again, this is who this character, who he is, the character he demonstrates. I guarantee you while he's sitting there texting Amanda while she wasn't there that weekend. He's not telling her, hey, I'm going to go have a five minute long hug with C. Sarah, hey, I'm going to, you know, cater to you and try and spend as much time with her, sit next to her at dinner, say that my summer just got started.

Like, I'm just saying that I'm like, West is a game player. West is a clout chaser. West is somebody who's only looking out for the benefit of himself. You saw it even how he apologizes. It's about him and how he's feeling and how he doesn't want to feel this way anymore. Not that I caused you pain. Not that I'm so sorry for the decisions that I've made and how they've affected you. He does not give a shit.

So I'm like, an even hearing at the reunion, Amanda having to stand up for herself, while West, to sitting here being like, you just wish more people would come for me. Like, you're not stepping in by any means. You're not like, hey, she's been through enough. Let me, like, you're not that guy. You never will be that guy. So Amanda's going to look just as dumb in the next six months for saying the same thing that Sierra already said to her and cried to her about for the last two years.

And it's also, I think I would have, I think to your point, Nick, about Amanda not knowing what was going on. And obviously, that's a complicated situation to be in. You never know what's going on. and someone said blah blah blah i think i would have a bit more empathy for her if one it wasn't west and she didn't already know exactly who he was like she watched like one that's a guy you shouldn't be fucking around with in general also you are on a tv show with him you know how he works like and also bravo men like girl girliana don't do anything on the show why would you like

get yours and get away from kyle but like you're in new york city there's a bunch of haughties that you can go and be confused with. I do think West is very manipulative in the sense of, like, I think she was vulnerable and she was down bad. And he clearly, we watched him create this safe space for her all summer long. He was a great friend of her. So clearly she leaned into him during this time. And like, I do think he took advantage of that.

The Reddit Bravo summerhouse community put together this very elaborate timeline that talks about. A man to post on Instagram saying, in your 30s, there will be a moment where you have to choose between the life you know and the life you want. Choose the one that scares you. Like, I just think that's such a very telling message that she put out there. And I think that explains her frame of mind. Again, that doesn't justify it. But, like, she has decided that, like, she hasn't got what she wanted out of her life. She's now in her 30s.

And she feels a certain way about that. And, you know, scares is, like, giving her. permission to like, you know, screw over a friend. And like she is like dead set on like, I have to do this for me. And maybe, maybe grace, like maybe empathy is the wrong word. I just, I can connect the dots where like to the West point, it's like it makes for a person who's been married for 10 years who's scared of entering the dating world who's who's a celebrity and that makes dating even more difficult. But then you have a guy like West who seems to be like very comfortable like enjoying like the fact that he has like all these options. And it's

It's just like what that doesn't make, like, why? It's just like I can understand how Amanda fell for West. I don't, and this is not a disrespect of Amanda. I just understand. Why is what, what's, like, West went from like just kind of playing the field, being this fuckboy collecting a roster. It's like, why? To what.

I still has a roster. Still has a roster. The most embarrassing part of that audio was her admitting to the fact that like we're, it's complicated because we don't know what was going on. He was seeing other people. Like, girl, I would have even thrown in. we were seeing other people. Like not,

I was just one of his girls, you know, and the whole going over to his house to pregame before his date with Mia and then feeling the need to go up to Mia and telling her that at BravoCon two months later. Like it's the most like, I'm sorry, yeah, pick me energy. It's the most like, I had him first. I coached him for your date. Well, great. Did you talk about it after?

Like, why were you there? Like, it's just, mm-mm, mm-mm. I think with Amanda, I think where I, where I have a hard time, is just, and I get what you're saying about, like, the thing on our Instagram, about, like, being scared and choosing the thing that scares you. Like, I completely understand that. And I just think if she is going to do that, part of doing the thing that scares you is saying it with your chest and being honest about what you're doing and your intentions.

And not still coming from victim. Yeah. And so if she's going to go in there and be like, you know what? Like, West and I have built this. We have this dynamic. And we haven't really figured out what this dynamic is. then like go in there and say that and be like but I knew what I was doing she is an adult woman like she's painting herself like she's this confused little baby it happened to me I didn't make a choice

west was just there and it's like girl you have two feet and a brain and I guarantee you are smarter than West Wilson I know you know how to run so yeah like I I also don't know how you spend so much time being disrespected by Kyle Cook that you think that West is going to be the one to save you? Like, I can't have as much empathy for her as, as like I would normally want to have for a woman in this kind of situation. It's not, yeah. Maybe empathy is the wrong word. I think I just understand how she got there. And I just assume right now she's not being honest with herself. Like that Instagram post about that's, to me, that's her. It's like, it's written as if she's speaking to her audience. But I took that as like, it's her trying to convince herself of like she's making a smart

decision when deep down she's wondering if she's not. And to your all point, like what, what never really lands and why Sierra has the right to feel how she feels, or at least from like understanding it, it's just like, fine. If you're going to do it, then you should sit down your friend and say, girl, I'm sorry. I didn't plan for this. But like, yeah, own it. Face the, face the music. The fact that you lied to her, the fact that she had to find out the way that she did, the fact that you, like, not only did that, but like, covertly tried to like pretend that there were, like, that's the dirty part. That's the, the lack of you, like, you don't give a fuck about Sierra, you know, and that's

the part is kind of shocking. That is the part that's hard to, like, it's, at least own it. At least be like, babe, I'm, I'm, you know, I don't know, but she still. I fucked up. But like, that was the thing too where it was like, even Lindsay, I think was in the audio, it was like, you got smoked down. She's like, no, no, it's because a video was going to come out. It's like, babe, that's exactly the definition.

Is that it's like, you did not come to Sierra because you were like, oh my God, I am just being eaten alive with guilt and like holding onto this secret is just eating me alive and I just rather be out with it. And you can hate me if you want to. I deserve that. But if not, like, I would love to be able to work through this. But like, no, you only confessed and put out that dumb ass statement solely because you thought some video of you and your underwear was going to come out at Westhouse. And that's not what happened. And guess what? The person that had that video even said they would not send it based on revenge porn.

So Sierra had to go see it herself. So I'm just like, it's the same thing with the Raquel thing. With the Raquel doing the revenge porn and being like, oh, they sent it around. They're going to send it around. Nobody saw this video. It's just like no one's going to see this video. It's not about that. But you felt that that was going to be the thing that could only force you to come out

and be honest. Because how much longer would you guys have been running around like this? Were you going to go to the reunion and pretend like you guys weren't hooking up? Yes. That would be crazy. That's exactly what they. But that's exactly what they would have done. They would have kept this a secret until they stopped either West, like, broke her heart.

Or after in the city, because I'm sure we're going to watch the disin narration of her and Kyle's marriage. A lot of people are saying that online that this ruins now watching in the city because you're going to watch the whole time of Kyle and Amanda together and be like, we know what the outcome of this is. Yeah, we know why. Yeah. That's probably what they were probably trying to do. Hopefully hide it until like the next. next season of whatever show that they were going to be on. Yeah, because then they get a storyline. I mean, and that's wet. Like, that is West Wilson to a T. Like, he is not going to care about your

heart, but he is going to care about the storyline for next season. I was going to say West showing up even in the trailer for In the City where he's not a main character, but he's part of Mandy's story. Hey, Mandy. It is fascinating to like, again, like, if Bravo has accurately painted Amanda and Kyle's relationship, then I think it's fair not to have that much sympathy for Kyle. given how he seemingly has treated his wife over the years and definitely gives like, I'm the main character in my marriage is centered around me and my dreams.

But maybe that's not accurate. You know, maybe there's a world where like, you know, Kyle has protected Amanda for years. And, you know, I don't think that everything we see on these shows is true.

And I do think people lean into like false storylines and do bits and scenes. And like, then the question is how much, you know, what parts are real versus like heightened? But that scene of Kyle talking about he never gets replies from his wife. I mean, we talked about this on Temptation Island reunion.

When it comes to men, I honestly think emotionally cheating hurts more than physical cheating. Oh, 100%. Yeah. And especially like it's just, you know, there's just no respect. It's like Amanda fucking hates his guts and makes him feel that. And then she like replies to like some useless text from West in the group chat. while simultaneously ignoring her husband is like, would be incredibly hurtful.

Writing on the wall. Writing on the wall. Also, what really gets me about it is her specific, like, there had been other texts since. Since she chose to hit the West text, reply publicly in the group chat. Damn. And then remember the caption for her snow day,

their snow day that she posted when they were just friends? and it said, best day of my life, captioned or quotations, West WW, and it's West Wilson. So I'm like, if anything, she has been holding on to this idea that he had the best day ever with Sierra. When she wasn't there,

that she had to fucking post about it. And that's like, that's what I'm saying is what I need to see in the reunion is like them pulling out the timeline of being like, this cryptic choice when she's posted about, broke my wedding vows and used the song, how can we go back to being friends?

Like, what do you mean you weren't laughing in our faces and being like nobody knows but me and Wes Well that's the thing like this This all playing out the way it did Kind of tells us that like all these scenes Or moments of Amanda showing up as a friend of Sierra Fake as fuck

Was yeah fake and bullshit And at the end of the day To say like best day ever You know like you you can say Oh Sierra you should have known better Or Sierra why you change you know like whatever you think of Sierra's like feelings about West the fact that is your friend felt this way about a guy.

And you now know that Amanda is part of this like justification to how she's moved is she like you saw at the end of this episode where she's kind of rolling her eyes when she hears about this date. And you know, I think a lot of fans are reading into it. Be like, oh my God. That's like honestly, she kind of looked like a friend who was more like, girl, okay, you got to move on from this guy. You know, we've all had friends where you're just like, you know, like listen, like why why you keep giving? this person a chance. But like at best...

That is not what that was giving. I was going to say, did you see when she said, oh, I'm so happy about that and her face dropped so fucking fast? It was like her physicality could not match what the bullshit that was coming out of her mouth. Yeah. No, that's great. Maybe.

Well, yeah. Like obviously we had the benefit of hindsight, but I know. Maybe I'm the friend who like, but I have been personally invested in some of my friends' relationships. They have come to me. They've asked, you know, people who are really stuck and can't move on. and if I see my friend make progress only to revert back to making bad decisions

I feel disappointed and sad for them That's not the energy that she's brought At any other time prior Because you've had her sitting down You've had her sitting down with Mia And Sierra Mia being like I just think like you're in love with him I think he's in love with you

I think y'all are going to end up together And Amanda doesn't say bitch do not go through with this again come on Yeah no you're totally right But that's my kind of point. Now we see you making these decisions. And clearly, while whatever she was saying to Sierra in her mind, she was mocking her. She was kind of thinking to herself, you dumb bitch.

You don't deserve to like this guy. He's giving you no reason. And the only way Amanda could be like doing what she's doing is to like, and that's for, and I hate the word pick me because like, hey, I'm a pick me. I wanted to be picked. You know, we all like to be chosen. We all like to be chased. I center women in my life.

I have my daughters. But I'm just saying I hate the way it's weaponized. What that means. Whatever. That's not different pick me. pick me. Whatever. I just, I'm just, you better center your wife in your life. I know, that's not how it's not. I'm just like, can we, can we make, that's going to be

the poll quote of the episode. I center women in my life. Maybe I'm going to pick me. I have daughters. Like, that's what I'm just saying like at some point I do think like, and that's where again, it makes bad, like, you get to a certain point where like you're, your romantic dreams haven't come true. You know, your relationship dreams haven't happened for you. and and you feel that pressure and you start like at you know you start you know like when you when you're in your 20s and you meet someone and you fall off a cliff with your friends and you abandon your friends like it makes a lot of sense for your friends to be like yo like what the you just you met a person you disappeared on us and you like you but like sometimes you get older you realize

that maybe you start have to prioritizing your romantic life over your friendships and things like that and I just feel like that's what that's the conversation Amanda's having with herself is a way to justify her poor decisions. I'm going to tell you that I'm like, it's just, I think also for just like the female point of view, which I think is just nuts, is like there's just no world in which I want my boyfriend, fiance, husband to have been with my best friend

or have been with one of my close friends. Or you're a co-worker. That's not something we need to have in common. So the idea that she's sitting here in the end of this episode and going into the next episode is like, Sierra's such a special person and West really needs to change. a lot about himself acting as if she's oh so concerned.

You don't get to be this person that's like, oh, I would defend her. She deserves better. West isn't good enough for her, but he's good enough for me. Like, where does that switch go off where you're so hyper aware of the type of person that West is, but then sitting here acting like you're the victim because people are upset at you for doing that to your friend. You know what I mean? Desperation and fear.

That's cognitive dissonance in itself and it's just like. Desperation and fear, my two favorite things. I was like desperation for sure But I'm just like I think even the whole like Oh do things that scare you I'm like okay if you're gonna be selfish And make selfish decisions Then be prepared to deal with the outcomes

Of those selfish decisions I think that's just the one thing And what do you mean by that just to be clear Because like Like when she's saying like in leaked audio That like you don't control who you like Or like it's not like as if it's like something That happened to her

Not a decision that she made As if there wasn't a conscious thought throughout this process of being close friends with West to developing feelings that Sierra never once crossed your mind. And if that were the case, then it would have come out so much sooner because you wouldn't feel like you had to hide anything. Like you're a person, like you are a woman, you are a person. You had Sierra like texting you being like, what are you doing at West House? Are you all friends? Like you had her in and you still, you still chose to like not to lie. To lie. To lie. To lie. To lie. To downright.

lie and then try to act as if it's like, oh, you valued your friendship? Because if I were Sierra, I would be like, what the fuck was real and what wasn't? Like, and especially if the rumors are true that like, around Super Bowl and all that stuff that her, him, Weston, Sierra had hooked up or whatever, then I'm just like, not only the crossover. And I'm like, Amanda, how could you watch this episode back, hear all of this stuff and still be excusing it like as if it's like, because that just, to me, I'm like, the saddest part is like, your self-worth must be so low to accept this type of love, quote unquote, or this. sure it is.

That's the part I feel sad for Amanda because like it's just I, you know, I think she's a person making some really bad decisions and there's, you know, and maybe I'm wrong. I don't, and I've never met Amanda. Maybe she's just like a, maybe she's a horrible fucking person. I don't know. But I think many of us have been in these moments where like you, you will do the most amazing mental gymnastics to justify your choices when deep down, you know that. They're not the best choices for you and the people around you.

And it's just like, we have all been in these positions before. And again, it doesn't justify it. I just like, it's more. And that's why I look at West where like he's just, he's got no, he just, it's so self-serving and it's so weak. Like at the end of the day, West is fucking his friend's wife. Like, yep. How is that? Yeah.

Like, how are we missing that part? I know we're all focused on like, oh, Amanda and Seattle. But, like, West and Kyle were, I don't know if they were best. I mean, they clearly weren't best friends of 10 plus years, but like, they were buddies. They were buddies. West is fucking his, his buddy's wife, right, while using his ex whom he resents to try to clear up his name on a public factor. So you're doing, you're juggling one of two very gross deals. And then it's like we're sitting here.

And then I heard that there was a rumor that they were going to give him like a spin off of Summerhouse. They better fucking not. Yeah, and the Ozarks. Nobody wants to watch that. So I'm sorry, but I'm just like, this man. Fuck Missouri. I'm like, nobody, nobody asked for this. I want to see people living in the Hamptons because I'm like, that's a place I want to go.

I saw the Netflix series. I'm good. As an aside, the person who recorded this alleged video of West and Amanda, is this like, is this an anonymous person? Do we know who this person is? Anonymous. I have a question for Mary. Do you still consider yourself the female West Wilson? No, I do not.

Listen, guys, the only reason I ever said that is just because he's kind of blonde and a goofy and a white guy. Like, he dresses like a lesbian, so I was like, all right, sure. Like, maybe this charming little goofball who can pull this beautiful woman Sierra, like, after being stupid, I could relate to. Right. Then I found out he has a Machiavellian heart, and I don't. I actually have a soft heart. I just make a lot of jokes. Right.

I think we need to rebrand you to the female shorts. There you go. No, she's not much better. She can articulate. She's like, oh, God. I can't, yeah. Help me with my game. Actually, it takes me a minute.

I am capable of having actual conversations about my feelings. And here's the kicker. I see women as people, not as like objects. I think that's a difference between me and West Wilson. I see like a woman and I see a person who like has a lot of complicated things going on in their life. I don't just see someone I'm trying to have sex with. Well, Michelle from the Valley seems to be in a new relationship. Talk about a flex.

Dr. Dres. Talk about like not on my bingo card. Talk about a tight. She was recently connected to fucking Quentin Tarantino. Like major old iconic celebrity. Is she dating? Good for her. They're holding hands.

There could be a ring around the rosy. Holding hands leaving no boo. Talk about like a date night Does Michelle just like set up shop at like all the like celebrity hangouts like the Beverly Hills Hotel Novo? She just only hang out there and wait for these old like iconic 90 celebrity men to like roll in. I respect Dre more than I respect Quentin Tarantino. Neither of them seem like they have a positive history trait like of how they treated their ex-partners. I was going to say I know less about Dr. Dre than Tarantino.

Yeah. Neither one of the things like not winning. I just know him as music guy. It is funny that now there's the clip of Brock talking about how like Sheena said that her hall pass was Dr. Dre. Oh my God. What? And then he like saw them at a party.

He saw like Dr. Dre at a party and she was like, I'm going to go talk to him. And then he realized that it was probably attainable. So he was like, I probably shouldn't have like given her a yes on that big of her house. And now Michelle's dating him. And she's not on the valley. It's like just the most. Can't wait for that book.

Somehow. Yeah, yeah. Somehow Sheena gets inserted and inserts herself. Well, and then people are bringing up the Valley last season how Jesse Lolley was like, she gets paid $1,500 a night to go out with people, you know, that whole storyline. Yes. Is it true? Well, we don't know that it's true, but like, I think people are just bringing it up because she's with like a big person. Yeah, but just first of all, it's just that number is insulting.

It's insulting. Also, I don't think if Dr. Dre paid to go on a date with Michelle, they would be like leaving, holding hands for paparazzi to take photos of them. You would think, but what have we learned covering reality TV? That some of these people on these shows do not make well thought out decisions. This is Dr. Dre. Dr. Dre is not a reality TV star. But I don't know if Dr. Dre is like this, you know.

Yeah. I think if he paid to go on a date with Michelle, he's not letting paparazzi take photos of them holding hands, leaving the rest of art. That fucking part. That's a good point. There's a parking garage or something. We haven't seen Dr. Drain in some pop shots lately. Like maybe he's just feeling a little like, um. He's got a new album coming out.

But Natalie, you make a good point there. No. But also, Michelle works in real estate. So I'm like she probably has, she's probably luxury cap. Again, they were holding him. That she works with. No, I'm just saying like how she meets these people. Like, I don't think she's like camping out at Chateau-Marmand.

I think that like she starts these conversations through real estate meets these people. She's a good person, has chemistry. I think she's got a lot of good connection. I did recently run into a cast, a cast member of the Valley. And it was interesting conversation because, as you guys know, listen to the show, we haven't like spent a ton of time covering this season yet.

You know, there's a lot more to come. We will certainly talk about it. But like this cast member knew. They're like, so you're not like covering the Valley this season. And I was like, you know, obviously there's this lot going on with Summer House and yada yada. They were like, yeah. No, I know. And you could tell this person was like very self-conscious about the attention that Summerhouse is getting in that drama. And it is fascinating how like tapped in all these people in the Bravo universe are because there is only so much like eyeballs to go around. And I think right now people are so locked locked into Summer House and that drama. And like right now the valley is just like, you know, they're kind of like getting their feet. They're like they're just kind of getting their bearings with the season without.

Jacks and they're almost kind of creating new storylines and new relationships and like Jesse and Michelle the show's biggest drama outside of Jacks you know they're kind of getting along and they're cool and it's just a lot of like you know nice TV but there's not a lot of like why am I tuning in to talk you know why why do I want to break this down you know there's no water cooler talk and it is kind of fascinating that like the way reality TV is gone from like the secret lives of Mormon wives drama like you know and and the Taylor Frankie Paul and the way Jesse is moving post-divorce. It's this almost like reality TV stars are realizing the only way to get attention is like these incredibly like messy, messy scandals because the truth is we all kind of feed into the fire.

And the fact that this cast members of it was like you could tell that they were self-aware and realize that. And the question is like do some of those people choose violence because they get afraid that they're going to like, you know, lose their spot is fascinating. Yeah, I was like, I feel like that's like Jack's Taylor's entire MO was that like, as if like nobody asked him to, but I'm sure he definitely, I saw a cameo that he made recently where he was talking about how, what great reality TV he makes. And I'm like, yeah, because you will make that choice where it's like most people would be like, you know what, I'm to stay out of this. I'm going to stay silent.

I just want to go home and mind my business. And he's like, you said this. And it came from her and like fucking go, you know. So I'm just like, but I'm like to the whole thing where we have that, I don't know, like debate, but also conflict within ourselves where it's like, okay, do you congratulate people for poor behavior because it gives a shit to talk about and makes some season interesting versus if you take off all of those toxic people, what are you left with? The tea party?

Like, you know what I mean? Like it's just it's a, it's a, it's a catch 22 because if you think about it, most people go on reality TV ready to display their piss poor behavior. So I'm like, but if you take those people off or if you. condemn every single person that makes a terrible decision on reality TV, what are you left with? It's true. Fascinating.

Period. Sierra. Sorry. Well, you know, again, more will be revealed is this scandal unfolds. But that's the thing. It is, it is fun to talk about and dissect and discuss and disagree or agree.

And we all see different things. And it, like, I don't, like, DM and send terrible things to people. Yeah. I do think we, again, always have to remember. that when we watch these shows, we are watching it through like our lived experience, our main character. We, we connect with people who remind us of ourselves. We connect, we connect with people who remind us of our exes and people who have hurt us. So just like, remember when if you are activated by the story, like that's a you problem. Let's not take it out on these people we have these parissocial

relationships with. And exactly. Well, you can, you can say to yourself, I would never be friends with someone like Amanda, and I can't believe she hurt someone who, like, I really respect and admire that person being Sierra. But, like, you don't have to be out there and, like, wish them ill or want to, like, ruin their life or hope that something bad happens to them. Like, you don't, you don't need to do that to be a bad. Well, that will do it for today's show. Thank you to our guest, Sandra Vergara, and all of you for listening. Do not forget to check out Valfaus Plus. Be sure to check out the Temptation Island Reunion if you haven't already. Don't forget the check out the Asnick episode with Mark L. Walbarger, celebrity asnick guest. You might get some

wisdom. We will be back next week with another great lineup of guests and conversations. Until then, have a great day.