The Viall Files - E1121 - Running Point w/ Jay Ellis, Boz Calls Out Andy, Dorit Loses Her Mind & Men Over Money

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Today, we're so excited to welcome Jay Ellis to the show to talk about the new season of Running Point on Netflix, how he got into entertainment, what it's like to work with Tom Cruise, and more! Later, bestie Lisa Treyger stops by to share all the TEA about her time with West Wilson on WHHL, meeting the Southern Hospitality cast, her thoughts on Rhode Island, and so so much more. You won't want to miss it :)  "Man, I love all 360 degrees of you! This is great!" HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE?  Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content?  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Quince - Refresh your everyday with luxury you'll actually use. Head to https://quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. BetterHelp - Fill out the questionnaire and check your coverage today at https://betterhelp.com/viall  Ollie - Get ready for both you and your pup to be obsessed. Head to https://ollie.com/viall, tell them all about your dog, and use code VIALL to get 70% off your Welcome Kit when you subscribe today! Figs - if you're in healthcare—or you know someone who is - don't miss out on 20% OFF for Nurses Week, happening May 6th through May 12th. Go to https://wearfigs.com  CashApp - For a limited time, new Cash App customers can earn $10 if they use code FAMILY10 in their profile at signup and send $5 to a friend within 14 days. Terms apply. Nutrafol - For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you visit https://nutrafol.com and enter promo code VIALL To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:40 - Household Headlines 04:33 - Jay Joins 43:46 - Liza Joins 1:39:50 - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @jayrellis @glittercheese @the_mare_bare @justinkaphillips

For all of the parents out there with teenagers, we know you're already trying to keep a million different things under control. Well, Cash App is here to help make sure your teens' money and their spending isn't adding to that craziness. Cash app is designed to meet teens, age 13 to 17, where they are with intuitive educational tools available. Through sponsorship by eligible parent or guardian, teens gain access to personalized Cash App car that comes in different colors and patterns to fit their style and their ability to instantly access money from family and friends. Cash app makes managing money feel easier and honestly just cooler than the other options there. The platform also has tools that can help teens develop real world financial

habits in a space that's safe and easy to navigate all with your oversight and approval. Your teen is getting their first job. Cash app can get them access to their paycheck up to two days early and can help them achieve personalized saving goals that they can set themselves all within the app. With cash app, their tools become something they actually want to use because they're designed with them Listen, like having just general finance knowledge is really important for young kids, and I honestly don't think a lot of people are learning what they should. And cash app is helping your teenagers do just that help your teen be more fiscally responsible. It's never too early to start. And cash app is helping them start early. Skip the stress and give your teen a way to learn

financial responsibility with no hidden fees. Download cash app and get started today. For unlimited time, new cash app customers can earn $10 if they use family one zero in their profile at sign up and send $5 to a friend within 14 days. Terms apply. Cash app is a financial service platform, not a bank, banking services provided by Cash App, bank partners, prepaid debit card issued by Sutton Bank, member FDIC, direct deposit, and promotions provided by Cash App, a block, incorporated brand. Visit Cashap.app.app.com slash legal slash podcast for full disclosures. The Valfaus is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing a

budgeting game? Well, with the name your price tool from Progressive, you can find options that fit your budget and potentially lower your bills. Try that progressive.com, progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates, prices and coverage match limited by state law. Not available in all states. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the VAL Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household, including my lovely wife.

We got Mary, we got Justin here. We got a great episode. So much to get into some amazing guests. Lisa Trigo returns to the VAL Files. You know her, you love her. She's hilarious. and she has a lot to say about some of your favorite Bravo shows, including the Summer House Gamanda scandal.

Rhode Island is pop. It's a great show. I'm so glad you're here finally. It's really, really, that was a really great episode. It's, yeah. All the characters. Doll party, masks, accents. I take anything I ever said about Joe Ellen and her mom.

Thank you. That was hardcore, hard to watch. Also, the Beverly Hills reunion part two. Also, very, very good. I've been saying they never left. I think Amanda 8, I think Bose kind of looked a little silly. We'll get into it later this episode. I think Derreet has completely, she's off her rocker.

She's kind of on her mean girl. According to Darryte, being a friend, being, you deserve a medal for like just not sharing your friends, like, personal information. Personal information that is very sensitive. To Derreet, she's like, well, it's part of our jobs. You know, it was like when Andy was like, how did you feel about putting them in that place? position. Doree was like, yeah. How did you feel about putting us in that position? Like, so much to get into.

Obviously, we'll talk about it later this episode. But before we get to all things, Raleigh TV, we do have Jay Ellis, a very talented actor. He's in a lot of stuff. He's been in Top Gun 2. He's in Running Point. He's promoting Running Point on Netflix. Insecure.

Insecure. He is with us to talk about Running Point. He is with us. We're very excited to have Jay with us. So lots to get into. I had a wonderful weekend. before the weekend. I got to take my daughter on a trip.

We, yeah, just me and Riv. First time. Who was it? We went to the lake. We have twins coming up. I've heard. Yeah. And we're seeing.

It's getting to that time. It's getting close. Obviously, we have a crazy life and we're trying to prep for it. Obviously, now you can't fly as much these days. I'm very picky-choozy with my flight. You know, it's like, if we have one in a few days, I won't be taking one now.

Yeah. There's unfortunately, we are just required to get on some planes now and then. And so if Nelly doesn't have to fly, she's not going to fly. And we just obviously haven't been able to get to the lake lately. So I was like, you know what? Well, Nali was like, why don't you go to the lake? I encouraged. She encouraged.

And I was like, you know what? I want to take River. And it was like, I don't know. Is this going to work out? Because, like, River and Nallie are just like. Tight. They're homies. Festies.

Uh-huh. And Riven and I are cool. Yeah. But it was like, how is she going to be? Just with you? Just with me. And it was awesome. It was like, I recommend it to any of the dads out there to have any quality time with,

obviously, their kids specifically. But even as two years old, it was river, like, she, it's a weird feeling when you have your kid make you feel, like, she made me feel like that I make her feel safe. Oh. And, and like, like, she was just so hype. I've, you know, like River and I are close and obviously like, I'm dad. But like when mom's not around, I could tell that River was always very aware of where I was. And that's a really, it was a cool feeling.

Yeah. Like we were, I felt like mom in a cool way. You are mom. It was a lot of fun. And she crushed it. Yeah. Not going anywhere, guys. Wait, what did you guys?

What do you mean? Like at the lake. What did you do? Well, the boat wasn't, the boats coming in next week so we couldn't go boating, but we just, I don't know, played around the yard and we looked for fishes.

She's talking more and more, so obviously, like, I I've trained her to now anytime she's around water to say, be careful. Good. Because I'm always like, be careful, be careful, be careful, and then we would go back out on the dock, and she's like, careful, dada, careful. All right, well, Jay Ellis is here to talk about his

hit show, Running Point. It's streaming now on Netflix, and he is up next. This episode is spot to you by BetterHelp. This mental health awareness month therapy just got even more affordable because now BetterHelp can be covered by your insurance. Well, BetterHelp has been helping people jump into therapy for a long time now, and we certainly are very mindful of all the kind of mental obstacles about jumping into therapy. It feels expensive.

It can be expensive. It can be inconvenient and timidating even. And Better Help is helping alleviate all those pain points. It's more affordable than in-person therapy. They're working with over 30,000 mental health professionals, so it helps ensure that you're going to find one that you feel comfortable with, and you can switch for free until you do, which is really, really critical when it comes to finding the right therapist.

Also, convenient, all you need is a device of some kind, and certainly we all have one of those. Whatever your comfort level is, BetterHelp will help make sure that's how your therapy is handled, even if you just want to do voice-to-voice and avoid sharing your screen. That is an option as well. Better Help therapists work according to a strict code of conduct and are fully licensed in the U.S. Whether it's money problems, stress problems, general anxiety, it doesn't really matter if you

are dealing with some stress in your life, talking about it and getting off your child is a great way to move things forward. Start prioritizing your mental health as much as you are prioritizing other aspects of your health. BetterHelp is in network with major health plans like United Healthcare, Cigna, Aetna, and more with coverage co-pays around $23 for eligible members. Fill out the questionnaire and check your coverage today at betterhelp.com slash V-I-A-L. That's BetterHelp. H-E-LP dot com slash V-I-A-L. Average co-pay is based on eligible members.

Actual cost and coverage may vary by plan. Well, if there is one thing I know for sure, I will be doing. As soon as I give birth to these twins, it is taking neutropholes. Postpartum, hair growth supplement. I took it after I gave birth to river, and it is. I feel like the only way I survived. Postpartum hair shedding. And Nutriful is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand

and is the number one hair growth supplement brand personally used by dermatologist. This Mother's Day, NutriFle makes the perfect gift offering targeted hair grow supplements for every stage of motherhood from postpartum to later in life, supporting stronger, visibly thicker hair through it all. I know I put my mom onto NutriFle a few months ago. Nick's mom is also taking NutriFle. It really is just a great way to take care of the moms in your life. because Nutrafol makes it easy to support your hair growth with a simple daily routine.

Nutrafol's hair growth supplements are peer-reviewed NSF certified for sport and clinically tested. They are there for you through any stage of life. Whether you're gifting to yourself or a loved one, take hair growth off the to-do list for a limited time. Nutraful is offering 25% off the fullest hair kit that supplements plus their hair serum duo and free self-care gifts when you visit NutraFol.com. That's Nutrafol.com, spelled N-U-T-R-A-F-O-L.com. Jay, welcome the show. Oh, thank you. Thank you for having.

We're excited to have you. I met Jay a few years back. We have a mutual friend, Tommy. Shout out Tommy. Tommy's a guy. Tommy was just here last week. You know that. He was. Rude, right? Yeah, rude. Yeah, very rude. He's here for basketball.

Okay. Yeah. We went to, I met Tommy once, right? Went to dinner. You've definitely met Tommy. Everyone's met Tommy. Everyone's met Tommy. Yeah. He knows everyone. Tommy and I go way back.

You know. Mary knows Tommy. Yeah. No, Tommy. Well, we are excited to have you. I've been following your career for a long time now, and it's cool to see it, like, get bigger and bigger. And, yeah, I'm a fan, and, like, you've been in such cool stuff,

like Top Gun 2. Yeah. That was so cool. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. Running point you have now, but you're in a lot of great stuff. And, yeah, so it's just exciting to have you on, man. Thanks, man.

It's exciting to be here. It's been a wild career. It's wild. How did you get started in all this? Oh, man, the quick. I'll give you the long quick, the quick, the quick long, however it goes. Move to L.A. I'm for sure going to be the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

I'm a thousand percent positive. I take a job. I literally thought that someone was just going to find me on the streets. Like I just want to start there. Like literally I thought that that's how it was going to happen. Okay. I take a job in Beverly Hills at a gym called Sports Club L.A. That is directly under then Endeavor, before Endeavor bought William Morris, the agencies.

And my thought was that some agent was going to come in in the morning, see me and be like, oh my God, dude, where are you been? I got all your jobs for you. Like, let's go get it. You're here. I'm here. And how long ago is this, by the way? This is, oh, 21, 22 years ago. There's a long time ago.

And I had the, my job was the gym opened at 5am, and my job was to be there at 5 a.m. And they used to have locker keys, and you would give people locker keys. There would be days where, like, I hadn't brushed my teeth yet. I for sure didn't shower. I was going to shower once I got to work and forgot. And so, like, there was no way in the world that any of these agents were at all interesting. We were going to offer him that. Leading hard, but his breath was horrible.

And so that doesn't work out. I end up going, this is another story that I won't go to crazy deep into, but I end up going to a party with a friend of mine who I had grown up with, who had moved here and who was acting, who was dating a very famous, still very famous woman. And it was a big birthday party for her. It was an all-white party, and I decided to wear all-white and a camouflage jacket just to stick out. You got a plan.

I'm randomly had a few drinks, and I'm telling this story about what it was like to live in a model house. Because I lived in a model house for a little bit with 16 dudes. And I was explaining that. And this agent walks up and he's like, hey, are you an actor? And I was like, yeah, of course, I'm an actor, man. Duh, I'm in LA. What are you mean? And he was like, I want you to bring your headshot, your resume, come to my office next week.

I want you to meet my team. I would love to just talk to you about what you're doing. I go in the next week. I don't have a headshot. I had modeled, so I had like basically like, college. together a bunch of like pictures. I typed up every job I had had since high school, which included old Navy athletes foot, smoothie king. They're like, wow. You've been an old Navy? No, no, no, no, no. I was stocking jeans. I was on the headset. So he literally like looks

at me. I saw I go to his office. He slides all this stuff. I slide all this stuff across the desk. He looks up at me and he goes, you have no idea what you're doing, do you? And I go, no, but I swear if you give me a chance, I will figure it out. Guy hip pockets me. And I say this to this day, my career, I am here because of this guy. He hip pockets me. I go out on a bunch of auditions. I'm absolutely horrible. I had never taken an audition class. I would literally be looking directly into the lens while I was auditioning. Casting directors would be laughing at me. I thought I was bringing levity to a very dark, dramatic scene. That's not what was happening. They were embarrassed for me. He at some point ends up, he gives me a list of places to take headshots and a list of

places to take acting class. Six or seven months later, he calls me, he drops me. He's like, this isn't working out, not getting feedback, whatever, whatever. I'm like, I don't want to be a broke starving artist, driving across L.A., getting parking tickets, auditioning for people, and they don't get my art, whatever. I don't care about them. So I go and get a job. I work for a couple of years. I work for like the next three or four years.

No shit. And I was working for this retail company. And I was the West Coast regional manager for this retail company. Retail is very transient. So I worked up very, I worked my way up very, very fast. Very, very fast. I'm a rising star. Yeah, all of that background.

Crazy, right? Old Navy. Okay, so I was like literally my territory was Chicago to Texas to Hawaii and I had 11 stores and like $35 million worth of business and like 120 employees that I was responsible for. And my boss calls me, I was the only person that she had hired. She was based on New York at the time. I was the only person that she had hired since she'd been there and she goes, hey, I just got let go.

You're probably going to get let go too. It's a European company and she was like, they're coming for us. And a week later, I got fired. And the entire time, all I could think about is, like, I had moved to LA to act. But I was afraid of rejection. I was afraid of the process. I was afraid of the journey. And if there was ever a time for me to, like, go do it and not have the regret of not trying, this was the time to not be a coward essentially.

And to just say, at least I tried. And so I gave myself, like, a two or three year timeline. And in that two or three years, I went to class. I studied, like, I would beg my acting coach to just sit in on her other classes. and then I would perform once a week in my class. I worked overnights. I stocked at Target for a little bit because you could get part-time. If you worked 17 hours, you used to be able to get health insurance.

I had a day job that was like I could pop in and out for auditions. It was crazy. Finally, I start auditioning. I start testing at a really high level, which is where they narrow it down to just a couple people for the job. I book a pilot. It doesn't get picked up. I book another pilot.

It doesn't get picked up. I book another pilot. I get recast by the late great. James Vanderbeek, rest in peace. And I end up booking this show called The Game after like eight or nine auditions. And that was it. From there, I was just kind of off to the races.

That's incredible, man. Long story. That's a great story. Wow, that is a great story. That's awesome. In Running Point, you play Jay Brown. Yeah. Is it like a breath of fresh air

when you hear that your character's name is the same as your name? No, it's so confusing. It's so confusing. I remember when I called me, Ike Barron Holtz, one of the creators on the show called me, and he was like,

Hey, so me and Mindy and Dave were working on this show and we just sold us to Netflix and it's with Jeannie Bus. It's about, you know, it's an office comedy about a family that owns a team. And there's a coach in there. And I was like, well, it's a basketball show. Oh, sure, of course there is. And he was like, it's Coach Jay.

And I was like, oh, cool. And he's like, we want you to play Coach Jay. And I was like, okay, yeah, but you don't have to name them. Yeah. But, you know, I'm an actor, right? I can be someone else. You can call me. I've been called a lot of things, actually. But it is confusing sometimes.

It's fun. It's nice, but I will say it is confusing sometimes. It's speaking when you're in interview speaking and someone says, well, Jay did. And it's like, well, I didn't. Which Jay? Are we talking about ourselves in third person? Exactly. And nobody wants to be the third person guy.

No one wants to be the first guy. But you're not because you're just doing your job. But it's just true. I hope people understand that. I get it. So what was that pit, that phone call? I mean, was that it? Was he like, I was it?

I mean, first of all, I absolutely adore all the three of them. Ike and Dave and I had worked together on History of the World Part 2, which they had rebooted and brought back as like a limited series. And that was an absolutely amazing experience. And Ike and I had known each other before. We had gone to a couple Tommy dinners before, actually, is where we initially met. And then we started going back and forth on a movie that he wrote. And, you know, he was always like, we're going to work together. We're going to work together.

And so when he called me, it was very flattering. And then, you know, talking to Mindy, like, I love Mindy. I think Mindy's, you know, heart and sensibility when it comes to comedy is so pure and there's so few voices out there. There's no voice like hers, but I think there's so few people who understand that comedy should be comedy. And it can have heart, but at the end of the day, we're here to, like, laugh and make people feel good. And so I was just, I was in. And did they tell you up front that you would be Kay Hudson's love interest? or was that something you learned later on?

Yeah, that was a part of the phone call. Yeah, that was a part of the phone call. They did tell me that and I was like, are you sure? There's nobody else? And they were like, well, it's going to be a thing with you and Max, which Greenfield was, I was like, well, everybody loves Max. So clearly Max is going to win. I love Max. Max is going to win.

I'm choosing Max. Honestly, I think you and Max Greenfeld are like a really good, like, Sophie's Choice type of situation. You're just like, I don't know. It was fun. I mean, so they explained the whole thing about, you know, he's going through this divorce. And she's now into coming into her power and coming into like taking ownership of this thing that she's really great at, which is running this team and knowing basketball. Like she starts to question other things in her life. And so in Coach Brown as a guy who's been through all these kind of trials and tribulations on his own when he was playing basketball, he's kind of the one person she can go to that is kind of like grounded while while going through this.

process and that creates a thing. And I was like, oh, that's cool. That's really cool with Kate Hudson, huh? Okay. I guess like, you know. She's up and coming. Yeah, yeah. Her career's about to take off.

She's, any minute now, she's gonna be a star. So yeah, that was, that was it. Wow, that's wild. That's wild. And I imagine once you get on set, she's just as like a chill and normal is like, is there a little bit of star struck ever? As you've accelerated your career, you obviously have been, working with bigger and bigger names.

What is that experience like? Yeah, it's funny. I think I'll speak generally and then I'll go to Kate. I think generally you're always so excited because you love the work that someone has done and maybe the kind of artistry and the pride in which they've gone out and created the career for themselves that they have.

You know how hard it is in this industry, but you're still very, like, I think excited by that. I'm very much a fan of a lot of people still, even when I work with them. and then, you know, people talk and then that goes away sometimes. People say something. Never meet your heroes.

Yeah, you know? And then it's like, you're like, oh man. You're a person. You're a person. Ugh. Just be my dream. But there's some people like, you know, I say this about like Tom Cruise, for example,

with Top Gunn, like was everything and more that you expected and wanted? Like, it was absolutely such an amazing spirit. And I think Kate is that too. I think the amazing thing about Kate is the ease at which she moves through. And that's not to say that like she takes her work not seriously or anything like that. But I think this her, the kind of like fun and easiness and confidence that just like oozes from her like really ripples through our set.

And so everyone feels that. And she looks everybody in the eye and she talks to everybody and she's cracking jokes and she laughs at herself and she's singing or dancing. And you're like, oh, this is a human. And like, but the best kind of human to like go to work with every day. Yeah, you have person, then you have human. Human. And you're like, man, I love all 360 degrees of you.

This is great. And so that's, that's cool. That's what working with her is like. That's awesome. Did you grow up watching Tom Gun as a kid? I did. My dad was in the Air Force, so I had much, yeah. We watched all the aviation movies.

I mean, obviously, I wasn't in the movie, but I saw it in the theater. And I were just, it was so nostalgic watching it. And it was like, I've never felt had so much fun with an audience. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Obviously, Tom's big on, like, getting people back in the theaters.

And it was like, it was a really cool movie to see in the theaters. Like, well, I mean, how was that just to be on that set in that movie with like, one of the most iconic, now franchises. Yeah. But just that movie was such a big part of so many people's childhood. Like, how kind of meta was that? I mean, meta beyond meta.

Yeah. I remember the first time we drove onto a base, they put us all on a plane together. This is amazing. it was the same week as Burning Man and so we flew from L.A. to Reno and we were the only people not going to Burning Man on the plane like all the burners were ready like they were getting off the plane ready to start the party.

Scars were intact. Scars, hats, you name it, everything. Oh, shirts that were buttoned at the navel and you're like, why are you even wearing it? It's a deep V. It's a deep V. And then they see Tom, is Tom Cruise? He's not with us.

It's the cast at this point, and a bunch of us were together, and we're all meeting each other for the first time in the airport, some of us. And we all fly to Fallon, which is where Top Gun is, and we drive on this base. And I remember driving through security, the security gates to go on the base. And it was a flash to my childhood because I had to do that every single day to go to school. That's awesome. And so it was just such a like, oh, yeah, you pull. Like, as I'm pulling up, I'm like, yeah, you pull your ID out. And everyone else is like, wait, what do we, do we have to?

And I'm like, yeah, you just pull your ID out. They're going to look at your ID. And then we're going to take us wherever we're going to go. But it was just such a like warm. Yeah, it's just so ingrained in me. But it was also such a warm part of my childhood. It made me feel like, you know, I think familiarity does that in a lot of ways. So that part of it was cool, just driving through the bays, seeing the movie theater, seeing the bowling alley, see in the grocery stores, like bringing back all of those memories for myself.

Then getting in a jet, absolutely bonkers. Like we had trained for it for so long. And no matter how much you trained for it, the experience of sitting in an F-18 for the first. time and the 100th time is one of the most exhilarating. Oh, that's so cool. Your adrenaline is just, I used to, I would stop drinking water at like 5 p.m. the day before I flew. And I would get on the plane the next morning at like 6 or 7 a.m. and my adrenaline would be racing so much that I'd be like, I got to go to the bathroom. I got to go to the bathroom.

I'm not going to make the flight. I'm not going to make the flight. Did you get, they have a bag. You pull a bag out. You do the thing. You tie the bag up. You put in your pocket on the side of your flight suit. But the whole experience was amazing. And then you're making a movie with Tom Cruise, who's so giving of his time. And like, you know, I'm looking at Tom and I'm like, you know, to your point, this movie, the original was such a huge part of so many people's lives. Name a Tom Cruise movie that hasn't been a part.

Yeah. Right. Like, so then I'm like, oh, Jerry McGuire. Like, oh, man, a few good men. Oh, like, you're literally just all these, interview with a vampire. Like, all these things, Days of Thunder are just ripping through your head. And the cool thing about Tom is like, he's always like, if, we're not working, if we're not on set, because that should be, when we're on set,

our focus should be making this movie the best we possibly can. Like, he's like, yeah, ask me questions. You want to know what it was like the first time that I, you know, set down across from Jack Nicholson and read a few good men? Like, I'll tell you that story. Like, it was such a crazy experience. How does your wife celebrate you when you obviously have these big accomplishments? Are you all, like, watching them together?

Are you going to the theater? How do you feel like celebrated? Well, she goes to all my premieres for sure, whether she wants to or not. Which, no, she goes to all my premieres. That's really interesting. I think there's these protein almond butter balls that she makes. And I absolutely love them. Like they are my like snack.

They're my lunch. They're my dinner. My pick me up. And I will say that like she always finds time. to align making these things right around like a career thing happening, whether that's like a premiere or whether that's like good news that like your show got picked up, whatever it is. There's always a bucket of them just sitting in the fridge. And it makes me so happy.

Like I'm such a simple. Like I don't need champagne. I don't need a dinner. Like I'm a very simple bag with some protein balls in it. Almond little protein balls. How'd you all me? He's so happy. You met at a bar.

Nice. Yeah, man. Remember when people used to do that? How long goes that? Exactly, right? 12 years now, 11, 12 years now. A buddy of mine was in town from the Bay Area. And another friend, a really good friend of mine,

who was also a good friend with this guy from the Bay. Anyway, we all go to dinner together. We're out of place. My buddy sees her walk in. And it's like, oh, there's my friend Nina. I'm going to go talk to her. And I was like, yo, who is that? And I made the joke, then I'm going to marry her.

but it was purely a joke because he told me there was no way I had a shot. And I was like, bro, I'm going to marry her. And years later, it actually happened. That's awesome. Was he at your wedding? He was our officiant. Wow.

Very, very nervous, but he did a good job. And you have two kids, right? Two kids. How old are they? Six and almost two. Yeah. Boys, girls? A six-year-old girl and a two-year-old or 21-month-old boy.

Yeah, it's fun. What's one bit of dating advice you're going to give your daughter? I know you're a few years away. One bit. Yeah, you guys aren't there yet, but there's this thing that's happened. There's this thing happening really early. My daughter's in kindergarten, and she came back, and she's like, so I'm going to marry, I'm not going to say the boy's name.

And I was like, I'm sorry, you're going to do what? Excuse you. And she was like, well, me and another friend decided that we're going to marry him. And I'm like, the three of y'all decided that all three of you guys ran on this? Oh my God. I just want to make sure. You understand. Are they teaching the kids about polyamory?

I don't know what's happening. I remember her name still. Do you? Yeah, I definitely had a first grade. She moved in the first grade. It broke your heart. Just we were crushed. Yeah.

All the boys were upset. We all liked her. That's amazing. All right. All right. So, so I think a thing happened where they were talking about boundaries and the boundary conversation went to, well, who can you do that with? Well, you can do it with your girlfriend or your husband or your wife or your partner.

And I think. that's when all the kids were like, well, I love you. Yeah, you're my husband. Yeah, I think that's how it started. Yeah. I don't know what the dating advice would be. I don't know. I would say, I mean, I do have a thing about like, if he looks in the mirror as much as you.

Yeah. Okay. That's good. That's good. That's good. We obviously, we have a two-year-old girl and then I'm pregnant with two more girls. So we don't know what it's like to have a boy. What has been like the biggest difference between girl and boy?

Boys are bonkers. Bonkers. Absolutely crazy. And I love my son, but he's so dumb. Like he's so basic. Like he loves literally, on Thursdays, we stand on our street and just watch garbage trucks. It makes him so happy. That makes him so happy. My daughter at two years old could literally lay on the floor and just color. And like she wasn't coloring in the lines. She wasn't, you know, are you there? Well, yes. I mean, I'm so impressed with our daughter and then we'll go to the playground and then we'll meet like, look at. little boys her age and I'm like what's wrong with what is wrong with it? I used to say the same thing and I love him so much but it's so amazing. It's like advanced it's such a different pace. It's such a different pace. It's so crazy and it's just so wild but he's very very basic like he wants his food. He wants his trucks. He wants his bottle. He wants his mom. That's it. Like he's very very very basic. Anything else you try to throw at him. He does not care about. He does not want. He does not want to be

entertained with anything else. My daughter, you could, like, put a picture book in front of her, and she would flip it. Like, she thought, you know, like she was reading. She was checking out the pictures. She would color. She would, like, you know, once she got to talking and, like, once we did put her in school, she would come home and she would set her dolls up

and she would talk to her dolls. Like, she was teaching them. He's so far from all of those things. He's so, so far. And he's just destructive. Like, he jumps off the couch. He tries to run down the stairs, and he can't even walk down the stairs. He will try, like he's just, he'll try to jump out of your arms if you're carrying it. He's just wildly destructive.

And like, how did you prepare for that? Obviously, you had this just. You know what's funny? We put gates up. We did not put gates up with my daughter. Seriously, we did not put them up. You're like those leashes that he's like kids? Yeah, we're using this.

We had to move his bed. We had to move his, he's very tall. Both my kids are very, very tall. But he kept trying to crawl out of, like jump out of his. crib and and so we lowered it and then he was I will say he was smart enough to figure this out he had stacked like three lovies and a pillow and was standing on them trying to climb over like he was smartly to figure that up so then we had to just lower the mattress all the way to the floor so like the crib is still there but like the mattress is now on the floor and like that's how we have to

keep him contained just stuff like that that we didn't think about like my stuff my daughter didn't do if if your kids decide they want to have a career in entertainment no no okay no way What will be, why? Why? Okay, here's the thing. Let me back up. As kids or as adults? As adults.

As adults. You know, they're like 17, 18. They're like, dad, mom. I think I want to do what you guys did. I would ask them to still go live a life. Okay. And go, like, explore and find themselves a little bit. Whether that's on a college campus, whether that's traveling, whether that's just

having a bunch of jobs and figuring it out. Like, I would still ask them to explore that part of their life because I think you need that for the career. There are some people who I think are absolutely brilliant. talents and were able to study their way all the way through where they're at today. And I think some people have to just go live a life and understand what sorrow feels like

and pain feels like. I would probably also tell them that I have no idea what success looks like in their time because it's so wildly different from when I started. I think about people ask me

now and I'm like, oh man, I don't know how to give you that answer because when I started, you used to actually walk in a room and a casting director. When I started, you used to walk into a room. There would be a sign in sheet. You'd sign your name in. Someone would call you in. You'd give them your headshot. You'd do the scene. And then you would leave. Well, what that allowed for was like you to say, oh, I got an audition at 2 o'clock for Mindy's new show. And I'd be like, oh, cool, we're at. And you would say, oh, it's with ex-casting director. And I'd be like, oh, yeah, over off of Librea, right? and you'd be like, yeah, and I'd be like, okay, cool.

And at 2.30, just after you left, hopefully, I would show up, and I could fill out the form and give them my headshot and I could pick up the sides in the room. And it would be a cold read, but I could pick up the sides in the room and I could do it. That doesn't exist now. Once digital, once computer came along, then they were just checking people in and they knew exactly who they had told agents and reps that they wanted for auditions. That's even gone now because you don't go in the room anymore. Now you do it all via self-tape or Zoom. So it's just changed so much that I actually don't even know how to tell people to start acting today. Other than to get in a class and do your craft, I don't know how you start in the business.

No, it's tough. And now it's less like they are, like the influencer space has like really taken off where like so much is like your social media presence and things like that. Do you feel that in this business at your level now or is that just for people like coming in? I think it's, you know, it's interesting. I think whether it's, we did it to ourselves or whether the industry made us feel that way, I do think that a lot of people felt like they had to have a social media presence. There's plenty of people who don't. Yeah.

And who have had very successful careers. I don't know that that will be the way going forward. I feel like with YouTube and all these vertical, you know, all this content that you can do on your phone now, I feel like that changes things quite a bit where like you kind of have to be making stuff and putting stuff out there. It used to be I could know, I would know, for example, that pilot season was coming around

and the studios were going to make 25, 30 pilots. And so I was going to get quite a few auditions in that. I was probably going to get 12 auditions out of 30 pilots getting made. Now, studios networks don't even make 12 pilots anymore. Yeah, wow.

So, like, the numbers have just gotten so much small. or like you have to have a presence in some way that makes people go like oh what about that person yeah and I don't again I don't know if that's like something that we put on ourselves or if it's something that like the industry is like how did it almost happened yeah accidentally

that is I think that's one of the reasons that like when I've watched Running Point it just feels so nice because it just feels like it just feels like a show that I mean Mindy Kaling come from the office like in Mindy project and stuff is just like there's still like that bestage of like

like TV and just like that kind of like simplicity of it. Yeah. And that's, you know, that's, I think it all makes us feel good too. Yeah. It's all, I think we miss it. I think it's, it's what we know. This is the other question I think about all the time. And I'm so interested to hear what you guys think about this.

I always have this thing where I'm like, oh man, we're so doomed. AI is gonna take over. And like TV shows are gonna be fully made of AI. And a friend of mine, they always have this conversation with, he says, no. And I go, well, I don't let my daughter watch a lot of, we don't let my daughter watch a lot of YouTube. What we do, we're usually in the room, and it's on our TV so we all can see. Sure.

But I do realize how many, like, AI generated things come up on YouTube, and they don't know the difference between. And so the indoctrination point is so much earlier now, as opposed to us being introduced after our 30, 40 years of life and Top Gun and all the, and Mindy Project and all these things. And you're like, no, I know what it's like when humans make things. I know what that's like. But like, how do kids know that? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I worry about the space you're in and just like from a like, you know, like think about

Top Gun like saw, you know, like just the special effects and like how it's just going to be so much more cheaper for AI to do shit. But it's just like what like in like in this space like podcasting or even reality TV, I feel like I feel less worried about that because it's almost like as AI becomes bigger and bigger. There'll be, there'll be a scarcity of authenticity. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like you can't have a reality TV show on, of AI. You could, but it's not reality TV. That's just a scripted show, you know, or like, you know, you're going to have AI podcast, but it will like, people are still have a thirst for humans sharing their perspective, but like from. I remember the like, like, Matthew McConaughey

talking about like, owning your own voice and like. Owning your own voice. Is that like made you think about, all that kind of stuff. Completely. Wild. In ways that, like, again, when you started, you used to just show up and be an actor. You could show up and just do a thing. And there are some people, again,

who are able to do that. I've been fortunate to actually do that. I've gotten curious about a lot of other things, and I've wanted to learn producing or directing. I've wanted to experience that. I wanted to write. I wanted to write a book. Like, I wanted to do all of those things,

partially because I wanted to, like, get my own voice out there and understand my own voice, partially because there were stories that I wanted to tell. Some of it was just like, I believe as a part of a creative community, you can't just take you. You have to give some back. And so I don't believe that every story is meant to be like me on camera.

I think there's other ways I can support a story and telling a story. And so it has made me think about other ways to still be in this industry and to support other people in this industry. I run a short film program where we try to make five short films a year for first-time filmmakers. And again, like I get nothing out of that. You know, I got to go beg somebody to like fund this short film. program and then I get to help five people make shorts that hopefully is their calling card to a director's program or you know directing in television or maybe their first feature and like I think in those ways it's made me think about it. It's like what else am I doing and how else am I giving back

to this this amazing industry and community that's given me so much. My only hope for that is this like I think I'm still hopeful as like a renaissance of like humans wanting to go out and touch grass and get out there and and and like we are we are a species that needs human connection and I just I hope that yeah that yeah that we don't lose that and yeah and all that I agree I do like but I like I love the advice you you said about your kids like going out like your story about how you became an actor is an amazing story I don't think you hear as much stuff like that in terms of like you went back you got that job you went and got a real job you left and then and that had served you to I think it's such great advice and if your kids

decided to get in entertainment. I love that. You want them to go out and experience. Yeah. Because like this, this, Hollywood is, it's a weird. It's weird. It's weird.

It's also really hard and tough. And if you're young, navigating it if you're young, I think if you go out and you have a couple failures and you get back up, whether that be through job, whether that be through school, whether that be through sports,

I think when you decide to come into a career like this, you go, okay, cool. Like, I'll just get back up and go do it again. I think if you don't have that experience, every time you, you get told no or you get sidetraled in some way, it's the end of the world for you. Like you don't know how to process or get yourself back up or your self-esteem takes a shot. You seem like you had a sense of self as when you went back into it.

Yeah. And you kind of knew. I am so grateful. Because my whole thing was like, oh, every time I heard no, I was just like, I'm just getting closer to my yes. Yeah. Like, cool. I'm just getting closer.

I don't want to work with you anyway. I'm just getting closer to my yes. And I have to get through, and I understand that I have to get through so many at-bats before I can hit a home run. And if I can get through enough of those, then I'll connect with the ball sooner or later and get there. And I think that going through life, I didn't start out until I was 28 years old. So I think going through life, like really. And I didn't get my first job until I was 30. When I booked the game, I was just over 30.

I think I was like 30 in like four or five months. And so I think I had been shook enough to my core and been like, all right, well, I got to figure out. had to pay rent this month. And it allowed me to go into an audition room and be like, hey, man, you're either going to like this or you're not going to like this. I did my work. I'm super excited about it. I hope you like it.

If you don't, that's okay too. You're going to be a fan and I'll see you on the next one. I love stories like that. I love hearing those back stories of like the work you put into like being where you are today because you never hear that stuff, you know, in that perspective. It's easy to just do the glitzy glammy stuff. It's, it's great to hear. I heard that Top Gun 3 is in production or they're doing the movie.

Is that something that maybe you might be? be a part of. Are you about to answer? I don't know. There is a script. They're working on it. You know, I think the thing that we always kind of come back to and is the experience of making the second one and how long that that took.

And when you hear Tom talk about it, he was like, it had to be right in so many ways. Like we had to put actors in jets and the story had to be right and we had to have the right access and, you know, editing needed to be at a certain place. And I think that that is the same with what would be top-grimers. gun three, I think, you know, or the third installment of Top Gun, rather. I think, you know, Tom and Jerry Brockheimer and Joe Kaczynski, like, and McHugh, like, those guys are going to make sure that it is everything it needs to be and more before they're willing to try to push a studio into making this movie. But I do think it'll get made. When you got the script for all her fault, yeah, being a dad was

that hard to? Three minutes, three pages. Could you imagine on the third page? This woman is crying because she can't find her kid. And my kid is out of plate. My kid is just getting out of school. I read this at probably like 3.30 on like a Tuesday. My kid had just got out of school. You're like. And I'm like, where is she going?

Where is she going right now? Is she coming home or is she staying there? Is she going on a plate? I couldn't watch her with it. Because it was like, it's too triggering. I couldn't. It's very triggering. But I think that's the thing that got me so quickly is like, and I don't, I imagine

if I didn't have kids, I would have felt the same way. I grew up with a bunch of cousins who would stay with me, lived with me at some point. I think I probably would have felt the same way, even if I didn't have kids. But I do think that, like, that fear for those of us who either our parents or are caretakers for children, that fear of not knowing where, I was thinking about this yesterday. My daughter had a competition in Burbank on Sunday, Saturday, and my parents live here in Los Angeles. They live in Inglewood. And one of my friends was like, no kids, was like, why don't you just put her in a waymo?

And I was like, I, what? A kid alone in a way. That's how home alone. That's basically like how home alone starts. But in Los Angeles. Yeah. And not in the early 1990s. Uh-uh.

You know what I mean? That's crazy. And I just thought to myself like, she has no phone. She doesn't know my phone number. She knows her home address. But who knows if she's even willing to talk to someone to tell them because she's afraid of strangers? You know what I mean?

She knows not to talk to people she doesn't know. And I was just like, that's so crazy. What if the Waymo locks? I just started thinking about all these things. That's what my feeling was when I read all her fault. Like there was literally a fire in my body where I was like, oh my God, this woman has to find her kid who did this? How did this happen? Did someone take her kid?

Is this truly just an accident? And then you go on and you read the rest of the scripts and you start pointing at people and thinking who it is, pointing at me at some point. And that was an easy call. That was a lot of fun. It was also fun to like, there's something really fun about watching messy, rich people. There is. Are you watching our friends and neighbors? Of course I am.

Hambone all day. John is a god to me. There is something really fun about watching really messy rich people. Well, that and we just watched Beef on the new season. And that's kind of like, well, it has rich people in it, but it's like class warfare too. But I kind of like while we watch reality TV, but I love those scripted shows that really get into just like how hard adult life is. and no matter whether you're rich or poor, that, like, you have to face adversity.

You have to face, like, life. You're just, your inner demons. Whatever it is, is that, like, the reality of life is ugly and messy. And I love the realism of how those shows kind of, like, attack those topics. It really is. It makes, it really, honestly, for us,

like, we'll watch it. It really just makes you appreciate, you know, just putting in the work in your relationships and things like that, because, like, all those shows, like, talk about how, like, just how tough, like, life can be and just the hardships of reality. Yeah.

It's always, like, really puts things in perspective, which is why I really like those shows. It's just, it's always nice to just have the wool kind of pulled over and you're like, oh, they got problems too. Yeah. We're good. Yeah, and the worst of mine. Yeah. Yeah, I feel good today.

I can call you that. Yeah, this isn't that bad. It's not, it is, it is, it is, it is your, to your point, it's humanity. Like it's, we're all going through, we're all on this rock going through this thing together, whether, you know, and we all have different versions of it. of it obviously in different walks and paths, but we are all going through a lot of the same. At the core, we're going through a lot of the same things.

Oh, final question. What's harder? Comedy or drama for you? Drama. Okay. Drama. Yeah. Now, most people will say comedy.

Comedy is so much about timing. Sometimes it's about situation. We're having to repeat it over and over again and making a joke or a situation feel fresh at times can be very difficult, especially as you're taking direction, or if you were distracted, or the day goes on, or if it gets split up with lunch. But drama to me, and I think that's like something me and my therapist probably should talk about. And I think it's me, like, ultimately just wanting to, like, stay on the light side of life. Okay.

And be like, hey, I'm happy. All is good. No, don't worry about it. And I think drama makes you dig into some stuff. I think good comedy can do that, too, because I do think, like, there is, oftentimes you are covering something. And that makes you react in a certain way. but I think there's something about drama where sometimes you have to just sit in a thing

and ultimately be able to get it out. I mean, I've limited experience in acting. I've done it. But even in reality TV, in my limited experience, the only way I was able to do it, and obviously I'm not talented in that space. But, like, yeah, I had to, like, go there mentally, and that's very difficult to do.

And that's not even being, like, method. Yeah, no. That's not even being. Could you imagine if you were method? Yeah. Yeah. And I just like, studying acting a little bit, it made me have so much appreciation for people like you

who do it for a living. It's just because like the, it's not just like people just showing up and reading a script. It's really you have to be real. You have to get in that space. And I have so much, yeah, because it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

the drive home is like, I'm always grateful for the drive home. Because it's just decompression time. Like, it's time to like, whatever the podcast is, whatever, Silence, music, whatever it is. Like, it's nice to just be able to, like, sit in that and come down from... There's another thing that I think most actors would tell you is that, like, they say when you make a movie, like, there's the, you know, the movie you read, the movie you shot, and the movie that was edited.

And for an actor, there's, like, the scene that you read, the scene that you shot, and the scene that you critique while you drive home. And you re-editin your head how you should have done it the entire time. These pretzels are making you, fiercely. Exactly Exactly That's so good Yeah That's so true

Running Point season two Out on Netflix now So good So amazing You're great Thank you Yeah thanks for I'm excited to see

I mean you've done so many amazing things But I'm really excited to see Thanks What's in store Because it's It's been cool to follow your career And watch it

Also how I was working With Chet Hanks Oh Chet's great I will say I was like, I don't know. I think I was talking to Ike and I was like, I don't know, man. White Boy summer. I don't want it to get weird.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want it. And then you meet Chet and Chet is, Chet is Chet is who he is. Like, he's actually not fronting. Like, you know, I think the amazing thing about Chet is like he's very aware of like where he sits in the world and like, you know, the life that he's lived. And he's able to reflect on it. And he's grateful for everything that he has. And he is actually a funny ass dude.

And he's also got very strong points of view on thing. You know what I mean? But he's like at his heart. Like he is truly just a good dude. And I think the minute you're around him, you immediately understand that and feel that, which is really nice. That's awesome. Well, Running Point is out.

Check it out on Netflix. It's a fun, easy watch. You will really enjoy it. It's bingeable. So we love our late night going to bed TV shows, and it's perfect for that. Thanks for stopping by Jay. It's great.

Up next, Lisa Trager talks all things, Summer House and Bravo Reel. TV, so don't go anywhere. Well, as I am coming to close on this pregnancy, I'm definitely looking at ways to make myself and my home feel the most comfortable and

cozy that it could possibly feel, and I'm doing all of that with quince. Quince makes it easy to refresh your every day this spring with pieces that feel as good as they look. They use premium materials like 100% European linen, organic cotton, and ultra-soft denim. Their lightweight linen pants are

a staple in my closet. I pull for them all the time. Pregnant, postpartum, not even thinking about babies. I am always grabbing these linen pants because the quality that Quince brings is unmatched. Their lightweight linen pants dresses in top start at $30 and are effortless, breathable, and easy to wear on repeat. Everything at Quince is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands. They also have so much more stuff than just clothes. I'm obsessed with their linen duvets. They have great blackout curtains at a great price. Just everything Quince is doing is so, so good. You can refresh your everyday with luxury you'll actually use. Head to quince.com slash V-I-A-L for free shipping on your order and

365-day returns now available in Canada, too. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash V-I-A-L for free shipping and 365-day returns, quince.com slash V-A-L-L-L. Hey, did you know that 91% of dog parents say that their pup is an important member of their family? Well, that's not surprising because we all love our pups. 40% would even save their dog over a human strain. Well, safe to say we are obsessed with our dogs. And if you are obsessed with your dog as much as we are obsessed with ours, then back it up by making sure you're feeding them high quality ingredients. And you can do that with Ali.

If anyone gets being dog obsessed, it's Ali. They are relentless about delivering the best food and experience for you and your dog. And they give you a way to check in on their health over and over and over again, which is super, super great peace of mind. Ali's fresh recipes are developed by real chefs and backed by vet nutritionists. They're obsessed with making the best meals with the highest quality ingredients. and experience from the moment you start your subscription, everything is tailored to your pup.

The meals are perfectly portioned, and you get a pup tanner and scoop for easy storing and serving. With Ali, you don't just get food through their app. You can actually check in on your dog's health with real vets. Just by uploading a picture, their team can check in on your dog's weight, digestion, teeth, and coat because they're obsessed with making sure your pup is as healthy as you can be. Anyways, our dogs are obsessed with Ali, their food. There's so many flavors.

The beef one, I used to say it was their favorite, but honestly, they like them all. We have the peace of mind that they're getting great food, and it's incredibly convenient. They have so many great flavors. Your dog will love all of them. Get ready for both you and your pup to be obsessed. Add to Ali.com slash V-I-A-L. Tell them about your dog. Use our code V-I-A-L to get 70% off your welcome kit when you subscribe today.

Plus, they offer an obsession guarantee if you are not completely obsessed or your dog. You'll get your money back. That's O-L-L-L-I-E dot com slash V-I-A-L, an enter code V-I-A-L for 70% off your first box. I am so happy to be here. Yeah, last time we were virtual, right? We weren't here. I always forget. Wait, those are cute little shoes.

But you guys are early birds. Well, you know an early bird gets a worm. There's more to that thing. Is there? Yeah, it's like, but the afternoon guy gets the, there's like more to it. Everyone's got to make it about them. You know what I'm saying? They're like, well, I sleep in.

I do something. No, because morning people, it's like, it's so pretend. It's like annoying. It's not better. Just because I sleep to the level. I don't know. What time you get to bed? Okay.

So unfortunately I did stay out until like 4.30 on Saturday night. So last night I went to bed by 11. By 11. By 11. Nice. 4.30. What are we doing to 4.30 in the morning? Well, I was at the comedy store, but then I was staying at the sunset marquee, which was so

fun. And so we went for one drink there. And then my friend wanted to order room service. So we ordered room service and hung out. And then he was going to sleep over. But I want the lights on a read. and I want music on. And so my friend loved.

That's so valid. My friend's like an incredible love. But also I need it freezing and he's always like getting up and making it warm behind my back. But it's like my room. And he's like, well, how much longer are the lights going to be on? I go as long as I want. But the hotel doesn't have bedside lamps. Interesting.

Only overhead lighting. Ew. That's gross. Criminal. I did look up early bird worm extension of phrase. Okay. And but the second mouse gets the cheese. early bird gets the worm

and the second mouse gets the cheese when did the mouse enter the equation you know what yeah I don't I can't bear to understand well because there's another one I saw a post about this because you know it's Oscar Wild where it's like it's an Oscar Wilde quote no not that but there's

other ones that aren't finished where people where it's like flattery is the sincerest form of compliment it's the one where you copy so imitation is The imitation is the highest form of flattery.

But there's more to it. For someone that's fucking mediocre who can't do his own shit. Like there's more to it. Oscar Wilde popped off later in the... But the late bird doesn't even get the late worm. That's one. But the late worm doesn't get eaten.

Oh, a bunch of people just finish phrases. Yeah, wait. So this isn't like a... This sounds like an episode of reality TV, a reunion where everyone's just kind of projecting their own trauma. Oh, I do have news. I was... I went to Salt Cycle in New York.

And then I was like, oh, I'll sit in a patio. It's a lovely night. I'll just have some lunch or dinner and have a beer. And the Southern hospitality people walked by. So it was Mia, Brad, T.J. Brad's girlfriend and Molly, right? All the best people. Yes, they were all going out.

But I was like post workout class, but they were so nice. And I took photos of them. And Mia is like, so little. So you said hi. Well, the people behind me recognized. And then I turned around and went, can I please join this? And then they said yes. And then the younger people were telling them bars and hip places to go to.

Like, I don't think me and them have the same types of bars. And I talked to Molly about SoulCycle, the reunion. We talked about West Wilson. Because I did watch What Happens Live with West Wilson. Oh, my God. That's right. He was my guy. And so, and she was like, I was like, can you believe it?

She goes, yeah, I believe it. I love Molly. I've known him for. Yeah, they're just, they were all so beautiful. It was awesome. Wait, this is their first year getting an actual reunion set. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's big for that. Watch What Happens Live set. Yeah. Well, didn't me as the one that West texted allegedly? They went on a digital date, like, for one of those web series. No, but she said that West had texted her, like, right after their evening. But what was in the text? Like, I mean, was he like, what was that bar you recommended?

No, no, no. He said something like, sorry that, like, you're getting roped in and, like, involved in this. It was, like, one of those type of thing. Yeah, but the internet took it as, oh, why is he communicating to another woman? Well, it's like he could apologize to me, but he couldn't apologize to Sierra. That part. Yeah. Yeah.

Yikesies. Did they spill any T. Southern Hospitality? She just said, she was like, I've known him before this. We ran in the same circles. And I'm not surprised about any of this is all she said. And then when I told her I went to a Harry Styles-Talor-Swift Soul Cycle, she went, that's not for me, but I'm glad that works for you. So that was fun.

I wonder what her style of Soul Cycle would be. I don't know. I was just humiliated. She's like a post-punk. Soul cycle in general is not for me. So where were you, Lisa? When the summer house news broke. Broke. Like.

Michael Jackson level. I was, I feel like I went to, I was at solid core. My God, you were the most. I don't know if it was when it happened, but I was walking post. I don't know if this was that day or the next day. I remember the E.D. Parker Day the most. Okay. So when she had the E.D. Parker out and it was taken down because I was walking with my friend after this class.

and a girl was sitting alone on a patio looking at Amanda News on her phone and I looked at her and I go Can you even fucking believe it? And she doesn't, she went, what? And I went sorry, I looked at your phone and then we ended up talking for like 15 minutes. It was awesome.

She's like, I'm just scrolling. I don't know what any of this is. No, and she went off and we were going off and then the group chats. Like I think it was like that's that weekend. I don't. Yeah. It really all was like that weekend was jam packed.

Yeah, because wasn't it like they went on a couple's, Because the cast started posting first. Yeah, they were being so weird. And no one really knew what was happening. They were being like memes. We were like, oh, this is April fools. It just, you know what I'm most mad at?

I mean, obviously, Sarah, I care about her so much. But like, Amanda took our opportunity to dunk on Kyle away. Yes. That's what I'm most mad at. It was, because in my head I go, she's going to be free, hot, single, in the city. Like, I can't wait. she's going to be smoking weed with her dogs. Like I was like so excited for her to be hot with her friends in the city.

And then Kyle, fuck you, boo. And now it's like so one. He's like a media darling. I know. He's making out with Megan King Evans. People were like, love it. Wholesome divorce guy. We were talking about that on plus.

And I, we were talking about it over the weekend. And I think that's the most crazy thing. Because you have the, did you hear the like the leaked audio stuff? I refute because Andy was mad and I tried. to respect him. Same. So I didn't. I'm trying to get back on watch what happens.

Yeah, he was, and he did do a shout out of like, thank you to all the content creators who did not talk about it or post it. Okay. Or, yeah. I mean, like, we didn't, we didn't air it. I read everything I could about it. Right. But we would never listen.

Yeah, I'm in some group chats that were discussing it. I may have seen a Reddit thread of all of the transcripts. And just to remind, whatever people listen to. it is like, well, first of all, we don't know if it'll make the cut, but it's like 1% of everything they filmed. So there's certainly so much more to the reunion. But from a little bit, we did see what's so fascinating is that Amanda seems to be like doubling down and like trying to justify her choices,

which honestly is giving very Tom Sandoval in Scandival. Because if you go back and remember, it was this like, everyone was like, bro, just say you're sorry. Say it was fucked up. She's not. I think we just assumed she was a good person, she was quiet and in the backgrounders kind of. And maybe she just sucks.

And saying you can't help who you like is the most crazy thing to say. And then what's so crazy. And he doesn't like you back. He doesn't. And honestly, if that audio has proven anything to me, it is that. I mean, the fact that he, and even Kyle's statement after being like, guys, he actually did not stand up for her once. Because West is very much, you know, I just like, I just like, I feel.

It's just wild that that is. coming two days after he goes on his podcast and he's like direct the hate at me like lighten up on her and then I also loved the post where it's like when all this broke out that Sierra put the like Girl Scout troop filled with like girl you know people that don't have homes and stuff like that and then he was just acting like nothing and I just that was very telling for me because I liked meeting West. I had fun we had so nice to my friends he was charming he was like so charming But he's that he is, as I've tried to explain,

he is the new type of man in 2026. Fake feminist. The emotionally literate therapy, trained, very kind of, he can center his feelings, which to the person who cares about you, feels safe,

it feels disarming, it feels like vulnerability. Like, you know, and that he kept, he kept his access to Sierra close. That's what I'm thinking while you're talking, is them at the Super Bowl, I'm probably hooking up.

And him, I just, you know, it's always, it's keeping it close enough so you can still flirt and you can still do the things. Who do you think is more at fault, Amanda or West, if you had to put like more of the blame on someone? I don't know. The blame, I don't know, Amanda. Because what sickens me about the West was the thing of like when Amanda and Kyle like we're touching her kissing and then he started touching Sierra. Like with Kyle, I think he sucks. I'm like, I'm okay with him getting cheated on or disrespect. Like, I don't care. But, like, touching Sierra to make Amanda jealous when you know she likes you, like, that really upsets me.

And he knows how much she does want him. And she's crying and being like, I don't even want to like you, but I do. And I, that really, that bothers me. I only ask because I feel like, I feel like West was, like, sober in this whole thing. Right? Like we have Amanda who's who's been in this long, horrible toxic relationship. They're finally like splitting up, getting a divorce. She's kind of like drunk on this whole like she's never really had a guy nice to her. She's going through this divorce. He is this like sober brain who like is not. Who has a roster? Literally has a roster. We're obviously meaning drunk and sober emotional. Correct. Not like yes. They were probably both. I'm sure they were.

Yeah. Seemingly he had a clear head where you could at least understand Amanda's like not maybe seeing her relationship choices in a clear way because most people who come out of relationships are a little kind of emotionally lost. I do hate the people that are like, this just because Amanda's bad does not make Kyle good. Right. Correct. Right. You know. Like we have to stop like the good.

It's like he still treated her awful. Awful. You know. Awful. And that does not go away. Yeah. But what I. But you.

could make the argument that they both think they're in love because there's no other thing that makes sense and hear me out because the i think they would have said that i think west is just too scared it's so crazy break up with amanda now but he doesn't actually but it doesn't make it's so crazy because like the amanda what's so crazy she changed her she had this like fork in the road moment of her life it was so we were rooting for yeah i mean like if like ariana is like is she at the mat gala tonight. She is like, she is hovering between A and B list stardom. She is a huge star. Forget about reality TV star. She's just a star. And I'm not the same, but I also would say page post-breakup stratosphere rising. And we wanted that for Amanda. Yes. Specifically the Bravo fans,

they're always looking for that next person to root for. Like that's, it's ingrained in their DNA. And I don't think. Don't separate yourself and senior DNA as well. It is. Air DNA. Yeah. No, you are. Hours. Sure. Hours.

Your people. I'm one of you. Our community. And yeah, I mean, like, again, if Ariana was just a part of an ensemble cast, and then Vanderpump ended, and it's a tough business to be, like, the rest of Vanderbubbub cast is kind of just, they're fighting for their careers to keep it going. It is tough. And Ariana is just head and shoulders below it. And Amanda had a chance at that. And instead, she was like, no, I would rather have this guy.

And it makes- Because I'm thinking, Lala and Sheena could have had some rise too. They chose to side with the men instead of being with the girls. And it's another, don't, on my podcast, it's a crime podcast, but we always say, don't go to jail for a man. Yeah. Like, do not. She went to jail for a man? It's, that's how I feel where it's like you chose this guy over these girls, like, pages your real friend.

Sierra's your role. Yeah. Or yourself. Yeah. I do wonder if there's going to be some sort of like they're going to either downplay Amanda and Sierra's friendship or, you know, if there's going to be some sort of like we weren't really that close. Like, you know.

But even if that's true. Even if that's true, why wouldn't, why wouldn't you, she had, I mean, she literally threw away millions of dollars. Yeah. I mean, it's going to take. She obviously is going to be protected by Bravo. She'll be in the city. But like, compared to.

the opportunities that were about to come her way. Well, she had that, Jimmy, well, the E.D. Parker dropped her. Then she had the Jimmy John's ad, which they still posted. I think they put her on pause. They took it down and put it down and put a faceless woman. But then she had the Jimmy Johns, which they move forward with it. And every single comment was like, delete this, change this. Absolutely not.

Jimmy John just responding to comments. They're responding to comments. Like, just try the sandwich, though. Like, focus on the sandwiches. Which I think is crazy that Stan culture is the way it is. But that is how it is. Well, at the end of the day, all you really have is your word. And it's loosey-goosey in reality TV, I guess.

You know, we can go up and down. But it's like, trust, honesty, those things do matter. And when that's broke. Because I had a friendship where the lie happened and it changed stuff. And she's like, one mistake. You're going to punish me for one mistake. I go, bitch, I don't look at you the same. You lied to my face.

We can have the relationship we have. But like, don't act like. I'm overreacting. It's not one mistake. It changes how I feel. Right. Yeah. And that's, you know, it's, yeah, Amanda, maybe my Jimmy Johnson didn't taste that good this weekend. I'll be honest. It was a little lost. My veto was a little slimyer than normal. Okay. Question. It almost seems a little bit more, there's an aspect of it that reminds me of the Monica, like in Salt Lake City of it all, where it's like Monica really thought she had kind of cracked this code of coming into Housewives as this like fan and going in and

getting the audience on her side and then it blew up in her face. And I think what is also kind of happening with this like Scamando, whatever it's called is that she really thought she had the Ariana Moven. She had the page. She was like, oh, I know what happens at this point. The structure has been set. I can do whatever I want. But is she to Lulu? She thought people would go, yeah, be with West. We love it. That's what you think she thought. I don't know if she, I think she thought she could get away with it because she had everyone on her side. Did she think, though? You know what I'm saying?

I want to know. Because she's the victim. She's the victim in her narrative. So obviously with West, it's like she's just doing something for her finally. She's not thinking about Sierra. You know what I mean? She's obviously just not thinking about anyone else around her because she's so caught up. She's like, guys, everyone's going to love this because I chose the like fun, sweet guy who's there for me all summer.

Everyone's going to root for this. Yeah. And totally didn't even. Yeah, I don't know. That's just my. My friends, my group chat. Shout out to Carl's a mess. We, yeah, she was probably just going to end up married a guy drinking coronas in New Jersey.

And that's what she always wanted. Yeah. And that's what she's going to get. Yeah. I don't know. Or Corona extra. I don't know. I don't know what she's drinking.

Oh my gosh. Are you watching Rhode Island, Rahafah's Rhode Island? So this is the thing. So, you know, heated rivalry took over my life in a real way. The McGill is today. Can't wait to see what they wear. But I started reading. So I read all six of the Game Changers.

Then I read Rachel reads other two books. Then I started reading all these other books. Not even, and I read yesterday. So I've read like 15 books this year. And my friends are message. Oh, I haven't read it over a decade. That's why this is very exciting. Are they all gay smoke books?

Most of them are, but I have a James Baldwin with me. My friend Allison Libby wrote a book. Yesterday is like the book that Anne Hathaway just bought the rights to that's very hip. Have you heard of this? Tradwife influencer wakes up and it's 1855. How good is that? Whoa.

But now I'm in another gay hockey series. I've tried to do straight. I don't need it to be guys. And then I read some murder. But I have texts from friends being like, put the book down, come drink with us, a text we never thought we'd write. My friend, and then so yesterday

I'm staying with my friend Bennett. So we watched Southern Hospitality, the newest one. And then he's like, just watch Rhode Island because I've been putting it off. The best thing in my life. It's amazing. And then my group chat today was like, yeah, books cannot distract you from this. Stop it.

They're amazing. I love a potluck. I love the rich, but grounded in reality of them all. They're all great. They're funny. Jane's fun. So I only watched one last night and I cannot wait to get in. Don't get because I know they just announced that Dolores is not going to be part of the reunion.

But why? And this is no, because we love Dolores. She's an icon. But I honestly, I'm more and more confused by what was like, like, Like, why was she kind of even a part of it? I don't think they knew it was going to be a hit. I think they were like, oh, we need her to like, oh, but to get this franchise. She's passing a torch.

Like, also not all friends are part of reunions. Like, as recently a lot of them have been. No, I know. But I also like to see Liz and her together talking about the plastic surgery. Yes, yes, yes, yes, she said. Yeah. We needed that. When the season started, we were a little critical of Joe Ellen leading with, like, my mom sucks.

I was never. Because her first. Nick does like to say we. We. Well, after last night's episode, yeah. The mom is bad. So bad.

Worse than Bronwyn's mom? Sent her off to boarding. Sent her off to quote unquote boarding school. Yeah. Three different times. The first one was when she was in seventh grade and she said it was like a drug like rehab place. And Joellen was like, I literally did not do drugs or drink. I just had big boobs and like the guys liked me.

So her mom was like, you're promiscuous. You're going off to this. They sent her home after a week. They're like, you don't need to be here. Like you, babes, you're not, you don't have any issues of drugs. Like, nothing's in your system. You can go home. Then, I guess the next time was like eighth grade, it seemed like, maybe the next year, the following year.

And that was for like a month, I think she said, a little over a month. And that was with, like, murderers. And it was like court ordered criminals to go to this, like, rehab place. The third was for over a year. her mother sent her to this place. And she just, they were like, okay, we'll have, we have to take full custody of her. And the second they said that,

her mom was like, I can't lose, like, full custody. So I'll just take her back home. She's fixed. She's good. But she just kept sending her off. It sounds horrifying. Like with criminals. She was like with male and female.

Like, what are her, what does she say about it? Like, is she, okay with her decision? Or is she like, I fucked up. Yeah. We haven't heard from the mom about it yet. We haven't gotten that far. Yeah. I had a friend kidnapped in the middle of them.

the night who didn't deserve it by her evil stepmother to like a drug. One of those, yeah. What? Yeah, yeah. And she, it's a tragic story because, like, we were neighbors and her mom died of cancer. And then she got this evil stepmother and then the dad died of cancer. And she was left with this woman who, like, stole her braces money and, like, all this stuff. And it's like a center off in the middle of the night.

Yeah. But like the real horrifying version, not the fairy tale. Wait, so what, like, where is she? I remember she came back and then, like, we're. You know, it's like we keep in touch kind of on Instagram. It's like a childhood friend. But it's how I learned how to like trick or treat. Because I was an immigrant, you know, like her, she taught me how to kind of be American and

she had Nintendo 64. Oh, my God. Yes, of course. I watch Jason for the first time at her house. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, usually when it comes to parents, maybe being a young, young dad, I'm a little, you know, it's just like, I always like to think most parents do their best. And I think a lot of times, even with imperfect parents, you can be like, you know,

they're doing their best. You know, childhood traumas. Joe Allen's mom did not do her best. She literally sent her kid away being like, I don't want this. No, it's a farce. Like people saying like, parenthood changes you.

And I do a bit about this, but it's like, no, you're still a bitch. Like, I see you. It doesn't always change people like people, or everyone would be nice in the world.

Right. If parenthood changed people's personalities, I think our world would be better. But people. For some. I mean, I've learned that some people want to say, some people want to have kids

and some people enjoy being parents. Yes. period. Joe Ellen's mom did not enjoy being a parent. No. Anyways, my heart went out to Joe Ellen after hearing her story.

And then... I like Joelle. I love them. I've only seen that what. But Rosie was... This is my big pet peeva from the first episode. I hate when someone starts shit

and then they cry when they can't handle the heat. Like, no. Yeah. You can't bring up a girl being like, is she a polygamist and then crying that everyone's mean to you. It's like you brought it out.

Yeah. Yeah. What are your thoughts on Alicia? and have you gotten to the ball part with the dolls yet? Well, I saw the dolls in the background yet. She's very into these dolls.

I saw the dolls. We had her on on Zoom and interviewed her and I said to Nick this morning because the dolls are- What brand are they? Like what are they? They're just like... Like American girl?

American girl dolls. Like she had, they're these very specific thing. American girl. They're not American girl. They're not brats either. They're almost like in between and like an older. They could be used in a horror film.

Yeah. I am a collector. so it's tough for me to be a hater. I'm not a hater. I'm obsessed with that. I think it's the best thing to ever have to bravo. But for the wrong person, it could be spooky. Wait, what do you collect again?

I collect lots of things, but I do have elderly trolls, and I do baby eye trolls. I do Simpsons action figures, and I do McDonald's. I have the Halloween nuggets. I have a Malibu Barbie, McDonald's toy. And then I have Moncichie's and Lulu the Pigs. Is this something that you would ever, like, sell? Are you, like, if you looked up on eBay one day? No, I like my stuff.

I have Dennis Rodman, Barbie dolls, both of them. That's cool. That's cool. So stuff like that. My sister did all the Barbie dolls, and they're all still, like, in their, she never took him out. And that's beautiful and incredible, but I buy them. I'm not that precious.

Like, I love them. Yeah. You want to love me. I want to, like, play. We're going to play. They make me happy. And I have a fan, C.C. Brats. She's like in North Carolina, but she made me a Bratz doll of me. Wow. And that's like her thing that she tries. She does.

We were watching last night and Ashley Cruttigan. Ashley in Rhode Island, yeah. And now I was like, do you think she's performing? I was like, absolutely not. Yeah. And then I told. Is her show really on TV or not? Oh, I think it's like a web series. Yeah, it is like a web series. Got it. But she was a newscaster.

Yeah. And then I tell Nali the story about Ashley just really cries. And it reminded me of I've been friends with Ashley for a long time. And before, for all the bachelor fans, we'll know this. But before her and Jared got married, she was obsessed with Jared. And Jared was just like, I don't see it. And then we went to Dintai Fung. And this is before we went on Paradise, where she, like, famously, I was like,

you're never going to be with them. And then, you know, everyone keeps clipping that. But at this lunch, we're having lunch. And she's telling me she's obsessed with Jared. I'm like, you just got to stop. I don't think he doesn't see it here. Guys are just friends. We're at Dintai Fong at lunch.

And she starts bawling at lunch. And I'm like, please stop crying. Everyone here's going to think I made you cry. And she just cries. She just like, she really is just a very emotional person to the point where like she might cry at lunch with you. Sometimes you get that nose tingle, you know, you feel it in your nose. And it's just, it's better to just let it out. What's her sign?

I don't know. When's her birthday? Pisces like to cry. I don't know. I mean, we're good friends, but I don't. They're hot. They're a hot couple. Yeah.

Yeah. I like to see them. My favorite part of Ashley I in this episode was that they were taking their masks off and sharing what they're like hidden trauma things are. And Ashley I was crying. And she's like, I just on The Bachelor, they asked me what my trauma story was. And I just, I didn't have one. And then I was thinking about in the future, I'm going to have a trauma story. And like, that's just so sad.

She's a Pisces for everyone wondering. Yeah. I was right. Yeah, you were right. Cool. Rosie had the mic drop of the episode when she called Kelsey a professional squatter. Oh my God. That was high end squatter.

High end squatter. Even better. It was, that was. I mean, this guy obviously gets off paying for girls to do stuff. So like, who cares? I would live for free if I could. But why is she so trapped in the house? Take a class.

Find a hobby. Do a sport. Like, I don't. Go to pottery. Yeah. Like, run close. Well, didn't she recently announced that she is like, no longer in that relationship.

Yeah, but I was told, yeah, it's like he obviously has a kink and I don't, I don't know. You don't have to fuck him and your life's getting paid for him. Cool. Yeah, that does sound ideal. What's the problem? For a girl like me, I'd do it. I would love to be a high-end squatter. Like, I'm working so hard.

Yeah. God, to be a high-end squatter does seem like the best case scenario. Yeah, I don't know why anyone's hating. It's just like when she was crying. But I also don't get why he can't go week by week. Like, why is it six months here, six months there? That's confusing to me. Like, you never just want to hop up for the weekend.

Like, I don't... But then her other man, I don't think you've met him yet. No, I have a... But he showed up wearing a vest with no undershirt. Okay, nice. So, like, the guy that is, he's just fucking, it looks like a male... Magician.

Jigolo. Yeah. Jigolo magician. Yeah. Like in hacks, yeah. Well, it's nice that he doesn't mind that she's fucking other people. I think she has a great situation, and I don't get why. I don't get the issue

She just wants more Like actual real love It's just, it's fascinating for people To explore Yeah Yeah She also kind of There is part of it

That kind of reminds me of Season 1 Beverly Hills Camille grammar Of just like kind of going on the show And then as your segue Out of a relationship I don't think Camille knew She was gonna segue out

Well Camille didn't know But it kind of Like he might have encouraged her To go on to be like Oh yes she did This might be ending I'm more fascinated by the rule of at all. Like, how do you go on this show?

La La. Well, I don't think she knew her. No, I'm not fascinated by her. I'm fascinated by her husband. But yeah, but like, how did he agree to this if he was... Like, this man is like the currently, allegedly cheating on her. Has a mistress. The other women are like... Joellen is friends with a friend

who knows the mistress. So there's like, I'm getting proof for you. All... The proof was giving very much like holding a hostage. The date in the car And then it was giving like Hold today's newspaper You know, it was very much

But like the fact that he Is filming an event with them And then he's like oh my mom's in the hospital I have to leave Leaves filming Goes to his mistress's house Allegedly, allegedly allegedly Allegedly he then comes back to filming

Not wearing his wedding ring Wow And they're like Where's your wedding ring? He's like, oh, I just, it was, I was putting a product in our son's hair and I had to take it off. It was getting sticky. So, like, do you think his mistress thinks he's single? She's not going to for long.

It gives very much, like, they're going to leave each other. Like, he's going to leave her for me. And, like, you know, it is real. Rula saying, you know, that she's crazy and she's this, she makes stuff up on AI, I think probably only fuels her fire. And makes her want to, like. The scene where Rula is, like. I can't come because I'm sick. And she goes,

on the phone. It was the most mean girls out of shit I've ever seen in my life is awesome. It's crazy that this is all happening. Season one of... And it's such a tiny state. Yeah. It's a tiny community.

Surface area like puts drama like at capacity. But Rula was like, I can't... What was her symptoms? She was like, I can't see. She was like, I woke up. I have a bad cough. My throat hurts. I couldn't talk.

I couldn't see. I couldn't. You couldn't see? She had WebMD up and was just listing everything that could get her out of going to the thing she didn't want to go to. It literally reminded me of when I was in, I think, eighth grade, maybe seventh grade. And I wanted to leave school. So I texted my mom and I'm like, mom, I'm really sick. I need to leave.

And she's like, oh my gosh, what's wrong? And I'm like, I can't talk. She's like, what do you mean? And I'm like, I'm like opening my mouth and nothing's coming out. And I was dead serious in my head of being like, this will work. And I was sitting at my desk practicing, being like, she asked me to, like, show her why I was sick. And mom was like, okay, well, just, like, cough or get some water.

I think you'll be okay. Are you guys going to let your kids take mental health off days of school if they don't want to go? No. Like, if they fake sick, they're going. No, I think we'll definitely be, like, the family who prioritizes real life experiences over. But it won't be a matter of. like, I don't feel like it today. Okay.

Because I just can't handle the pressure. I'll be like, you're going to school. No, I one time in second grade, my sister, I got to ditch school to go ice skating. And then the next day my teacher's like, are you feeling better? I go, I went ice skating. And then it was a big problem. I used to, I'm from Wisconsin, so I used to go outside on the weekend without a coat. Like, stand outside just to try to get sick.

Oh, yeah. Well, it's like, I think with kids like that, you have to see how well they can convince you. And I think there were times that my mom would sometimes let me stay home if I pretended to be sick because I really committed. Oh, I would, if I knew my mom was going to take my temperature, I would go into the bathroom. No, and I would drink hot water out of the faucet because I wanted my mouth to be hot for the phone for the thermometer. What if they're getting bullied? That's totally different. Well, no, that's why I'm asking.

What was your stay-at-home TV show that you would stay-at-home? Everything. And I don't know how I had time for all of it because it's all of it. Because it's all different channels and they all are so important. I didn't either. But Price is right. Jenny Jones. Matt Locke.

Sally Jesse Raphael, Montel. But there's another game that's fun. Hollywood Squares. I watched so much bones. Bones and Monk. Oh my God. Tony Shalub was at the hotel and I swear he looked at my tits twice. That's kind of hot.

Because I was at the pool and I saw I'm standing. Monk? Mr. Monk. I ran in him at the bathroom at the Golden Glob. And he was looking at, and I could tell he was, and I was like, oh my God, is he looking at my tits? Because I was wearing a bikini. And then he spun around and looked again. And I guess that's like a monk thing.

Because I was telling friends. And I was like, I love this. I want to be in this hotel for the rest of my life. He'd Mr. Monk to your tits. And maybe I was being delusional, but I felt like it was real. Like, I really did. No, I think you had a moment with him. I think you and Tony Shaloob.

I think Tony Shalup is one of the few celebrities that I think I met him, I would like freak out. Really? Yeah, well, because it's like so, you know those people that are just so ingrained in your like childhood brain like that, that they're not real? Like, monk to me is like a figure. And then if I saw Tony Shalooop in real life, I would like short circuit and freak out. Anyway. Yeah, it was a thrill. It was a real thrill. What else? But there was something else before Price was right because I was at 10 a.m. What other game? Oh, I love Hollywood. I said that. Newlywood game I loved. You y'all weren't sleeping?

I feel like I was always like sleeping in because it was like, oh, we have to wake up so early for school. I was definitely waking up for the prices right, for sure. Yeah, I loved TV. Yeah. Because that's why even this breakoff TV has been a really huge moment for me with, like, the reading and the heated rivalry. After heated rivalry, it's been hard for me to watch anything else. I was like nine years old and me like you overbid. Yeah.

It's too high. It's too high. Bet a dollar. You were getting into like the economics of it at a very young age. I mean, yeah, I played along. I don't know. Of course. Isn't that what you do?

Right is I think, I think that's the most universal for all kids staying at home of that era. Yeah. I was like, I wasn't watching. What were you watching now? It was definitely like Disney Channel and Nickelodeon and whatever was on. Were you a pretty little liar's kid? Oh, I was a pretty little Irish kid. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, that was a. I was also like a home improvement, a George Lopez. Well, that was later in the day. Yeah, it was like up too late if I, if those shows came on, I definitely knew I needed to go to bed. Yeah, one time I would wake up in a cold sweat and then recess would be on my TV. I love that, yeah. It's awesome. I was an Arthurhead, full

house. I don't know how I had time for all this. Fresh Prince, the nanny. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched every show. But yeah, so this break, so like heat a rivalry cured my depression, I don't watch TV all day long and my life's been better. It started hypnotherapy.

Hypnotherapy. Yeah. What's that? I don't know. I tell I tell people, I'm like, instead of therapy, I just hop from which to which. That's real as fuck. This witch is on the laptop and I'm in my bed and she hypnotizes me and I swear like I knock the fuck out. She like talks through my.

You're being hypnotized by someone online? Yeah, because I don't think it's real right. But like when she counts and wakes me up, I wake the fuck up and I fall down into a thing. And her thing is you don't have to do anything. You don't have to pay attention. Like go where you ever want and she's just trying to get into my subconscious. Change my narratives. It's real.

A lot of people do it. Okay. After I watch, I'm sure real. Thank you. And you pay? I pay a lot. Someone goes, oh, does it, is it covered by insurance?

I go, are you out of your goddamn life? They're not covering, like, heart surgeries. They're going to cover my head no therapy. No. After I watched you a rivalry, it just made me sad and horny. Oh, I was so horny, but then I went out to go and then I realized something's wrong with me, not the world. And I was like, I need help.

So then I went to another way. Yeah. But yeah, other things aren't giving me what that gave me. It's like tough. So I just, um. It's valid. I might explore. What do you think it's going to happen?

How do you think the summerhouse reunion is going to end? Whoa. I don't know. Could your hypnotherapist tell us? Yeah. How will it end? Depressing. I don't, it's going to be sick.

I'm glad Mia was there. Yeah. I did hear that part. At the reunion? Yeah. No, when she, I thought leaked audio when she goes, you left her marriage to be a side chick. Like, you're fucking pathetic. One of the West side bitches, yeah.

Side bitches. Yeah. That was good. And a little harsh, though. It's not harsh at all. It's true. Someone fucks over your friend. That's the least mean thing.

I would strangle the bitch. I guess. It's true. My, I was at like... If someone fucked my friends, like... I don't know. You would stand up for your people. Oh, yeah. I mean, she's standing up for her friend.

Yeah. I don't think that's that mean. She is a side bitch. She left her marriage to be a side bitch. But no. She didn't. What do you mean? I don't think she left Kyle for,

West. Oh, like it would have ended anyways. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that's why. So the details are what bothers you. It doesn't bother me. I just think like I hope they stay on point at the reunion. Do you think there's going to be even another season of Summerhouse with these people? No, I think the cast will definitely have a shake-up and then there's the whole in the city element. And then there was like, there was some kind of reality TV conference. And I guess there was speculation that there might be some sort of like West Wilson's summer house. Ozarks spinoff. Oh my God.

Which I never thought would be true, but I thought the answer to the executive was interesting because usually when things aren't real, they're quick to be like, that's not a thing. But whoever spoke on it answered it in a very kind of like I can't really. The issue with that is. I mean, I hate that. It's like a fun show. It would be really good. If you're getting a summer house but people who go and party in the Ozarks and like on boats and shit, like that's my people.

Like, that's my people, you know. I don't really give a fog. I mean, if they want to give him a show, I don't care. I don't want to watch it with Wes, but I would, if West was the Dolores, you need your villains. I don't know. That's what I don't understand about, like, fans. But he doesn't lean into the villain, and that's what bothers me. He doesn't lean into the villain.

He's still doing, I'm a good boy. But it, but it's not landing. It's not. You know, and when he does the whole, like, I don't, I'm just sad. And the sad boy kind of thing. But now I think people see through it. And now it's easy to. Someone online, the theory is, like, I wonder if he's going to start going right-wing conservative

Manosphere since the people that supported him are now like, fuck you, you've been fake. Like, I hope he doesn't, I hope he doesn't switch. I don't think he's into that far. I hope not. I did think that his, when he randomly started posting politics a few months ago, I thought it felt performative. He's just clearly hyper aware of how he's perceived. How he's perceived.

That's the new youth way to speak. But also, but that doesn't land because, like, if he was, he can't have imagined this would have landed. I think he thinks, I think he wants to fuck. I don't think he, like, thought that far. And Amanda is so beautiful to me. I think he never thought it would make, I think they had this, like, secrecy, swore to secrecy. And then this whole, like, video, whatever thing got put over their heads. And they were forced their hand.

And, but I don't think either of them were ever going to let this see the lie today. Yeah, they were probably just going to fuck around and think they didn't have to find out. You're probably right. But the statement and then finding out it was chat GPT. It's like, was it? I think that was a joke. Amanda was joking. Yeah.

Jokin. But then they were like, Sierra was like, chat chabit would be smarter. And then Amanda was like, well, I'm joking. Oh, wow. But like the statement didn't make sense. Yeah. It was basically we're in a situation ship. It's wild.

It's so fucking strange. Well, I also want to talk Southern hospitality because I don't want Maddie and Joe Bradley together. Okay. I want Maddie to soar. Fly through the sky. Especially after that last episode. Yes.

He was doing his best though. You're sober girlfriend? You're going to do a pirate blackout party? He tried. Is Joe Bradley just another West Wilson? No, no, no, no. No, Joe's more bizarre. Joe's less West.

H's attachment, West Wilson. Joe's trying to support Maddie, but doing all the wrong things accidentally is my take. Emmy. You know, I don't understand that girl. No, she's a horror movie villain. Yeah. It's a lot.

It's like a gone girl. But gone girl was chic, you know? You're right. And she had that whole cool girl monologue, and Emmy is screaming, crying, throwing up just because she has to deal with what? The consequences of her actions and her words? And then sitting at a table just being like, I love this. Yeah. That's a cat.

That was wild. I don't know. Even if you are racist and don't get anything, why wouldn't you just be like, oh, I'm sorry, I fucked up. I didn't think about that. Even Justin and I were talking about this. It was just like, oh my, like at the end of the day, if you hurt your friend, just as a friend, you should just be like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. Michael's, your issues are stupid and you need to be blind loyal to me. Like what the fuck? Take out any sort of context. It's just an insane thing to say regardless. She, her brain, I don't understand how the neural pathways go around there. As someone who's

taking stuff for that, I don't get Emmy. No, but I want Michaels and TJ. forever and I think Michaels is the most mature, emotionally cool person we've ever had on Bravo. Like, I love him. I love him. Ever? Yeah, I'm impressed by him at such a young age to be like vulnerable and real and open, but also like professional at work and going through. I don't know. I like love him.

He's also a really tall and good looking. He's really hot. It's a giant. Honestly, Michaels kind of reminds me of Justin a little bit. Wait, tell me who you think is more cool. I mean, I lean, I mean, Eileen Davidson, she was from from Bev Hills. She was emotionally grounded. But who else?

I don't know. You just said ever. I was like, yeah, because I don't, I can't think of someone that has impressed me so much with their, like, maturity. I don't want to take anything away from Michael. I mean, he does do silent treatment, which is immature. My bad. Still passive aggress. Yeah.

Yeah, you're right. Passive aggress. He's like 22 managing a nightclub. Can you guys get me a table at Republic or what? Like, should we go down? should do a heart. You're closer with them than we are. You want to do a, yeah, let's do a baby moon at Republic.

There we go. I just want more T.J. and Michael's romance. And then someone should write a book about it. Yeah. And then it's all about them watching Salt Lake City. It's just so romantic. And it's just coded text messages through how much they love Salt Lake City about

fucking each other. Yeah. And then hopefully they fuck that too. Yeah, yeah. They would also fuck. It's a good show. I like them being together. It's the best show.

I love Southern Hospitality. I love it. It's really good. I don't know if it's to do it, but it's like young people. I like it. It's better than the reboot of Vanderpump. Yeah. 100%.

Yeah. Do you want to talk to Bev Hills or do you want? Yeah, I'll talk. I just, I'm so Garcell that, you know, I hate all of them. But, you know, I'll dabble always. Well, they talked about Garcel at the reunion. They never stop. They never stop.

Always on their minds. You will never get away from the woman that haunts you. Well, anyways, the Beverly Hills Housewives reunion part two is on. I am once again, team Amanda. I think Bose kind of looked silly. You really saw, like, Bose was your girl. Like, you were riding

down there. I still love Bose. I just think in this particular... And what was it? Amanda came in and then you were like, well? Well, did you see that Bose kind of like went for Andy post episode two? No. So, in part two of the reunion, they, you know, Amanda and Bose were kind of

at each other. So, like, they both have like these online courses. They're both successful business people, and Bose has come for Amanda suggesting that she is a fraud, that she is scamming people, which is a, isn't it, which is an aggressive attack on anyone's business. It better be true if you're going to accuse someone of being a scammer. Well, it's not an accusation. I think Amanda admits to me. No, she doesn't. Being like, I don't know anything, you just have to spiritually say, I want money and bring it to me. Whatever it is, I just think it she's not, I think she's up front with what she's offering.

And she's not, I mean, it's, and I don't, it doesn't seem. like the people who have signed up for her classes or whatever it is. I don't know what it is. I've had to have taken exception. And anyways, they're talking about it. And then Bo's says something about, I don't know, something about like it being a short term thing being the CMO. And Andy kind of gives her a look. Like, that doesn't make sense. And then Bose is this like, well, that's kind of how a CMO is. It's like a short term thing. It's just like you get hired to do a job and you're done. And I'm like, wait, you're describing a consultant, not a like a chief executive officer, like, or chief marketing officer or whatever, but like that's, and yeah, those

tends could be short term, but that's not what you're describing. It didn't really make much sense. And then she goes post episode and she does this whole like Instagram and she's like posting these articles about how like apparently in the industry, the chief marketing officer is often like a scapegoat for like other executives because like, you know, when campaigns, you know, which also I'm sure is true. Like I don't, I don't doubt that that's true, but that's not in any way. had anything to do with what like Amanda and Andy were talking about.

And it was like, well, which one is it? Are you, are you being scapegoated because you're a chief marketing officer or is a chief marketing officer like a short-term employment contract? It felt like she was kind of talking on both sides from her mouth. I need them to keep things to where I can understand them. You start giving me acronyms of your business and I. Sure. I don't understand.

Yeah, I want drama over past apps. But also then, and then, and then, Bose is like, well, you're just trying, you have your business to make as much money as you possibly can. And what I appreciate about Amanda, she thought about the accusation. She goes, yeah, which I honestly appreciate her fucking honesty because also like when you're in, like the idea that people are in business not to make money is disingenuous. And, and Bose didn't accuse her of making money at all costs. She just accused her of trying to make as much money as possible. And I thought she was referring to like talking about it on the show.

No, she was trying to like profit off of the cost. being on the show and like promoting her and make as much money as possible talking about her. I mean, whatever, you were allowed to make as much money as possible. I thought it comes across as disingenuous to be like to. And then it's like, well, why are you doing it, Bose? Like, if you're not doing it just for goodwill. You're in, you're not doing it to give back. I mean, like, are you off?

You know, it's just like you're coming after her business. Amanda has a right to defend herself. You know, sometimes comedians like that have been doing it for a long time, they get really hateful about like if you're not. an influencer, you get famous on the internet, or then you're a newer comedian, but you're selling out theaters or doing better. And it's this thing of like, well, you didn't do it the right way and you're not actually a comedian and this and that. And you can rally yourself up and you can be like, oh, you didn't do open mics. You didn't do this. But it's like, whatever, it's working. It's hard to

connect to an audience. They did it. Like, this has nothing to do with you. And I get that from her where it's like, I followed the rules. I did it the right way. Yeah. I think Boas looks at Amanda and says, like, we're not the same. Yes. That's what it is. And I think she made a bunch of assumptions about who Amanda was. And I think at the end of the day, Amanda is a serious business person. And yeah, I think I think a Bose kind of played herself a little bit. Yeah. It is interesting because Bose and Amanda are two complete like character foils of each other. And it is so specific in the way that they like process talking about money of like the analytical bows and then literally manifesting mama Amanda going at it and they will literally never understand each other. Like there's no,

their brains work completely differently, like not good or bad. Like it's just sometimes you really are just, you know, on the complete opposite end of a spectrum. And Bo's like, like, you know, her partner passed. And I think when that happens,

so much finance money, all of, there's just so much on her. And you're right. Like they're coming from such separate places. And then it is interesting. And Amanda's just like, you just got to think about it and the money will come. Yeah.

And that's the most infuriating thing to say to someone who has been literally spending their entire, like, career working so hard and just grinding nonstop. And then this girl comes in and is just like, we just have to believe in it. She's like, you just have to write it in your journal. And I just choose not to do, talk about negativity. It's not what Amanda is doing now. It's the, and it's the, it's the, it's the, spirituality vibe. Yeah, it's the girliness of it. It's the, it's really about internalize misogy. It's what people got like, spend money to make money. I go, you can't tell that to people. That's like not because the woman from Shark Tank

Barbara Barbara yeah she was like I never I didn't save a penny She was like I spent spent spent spent spent and I would spend all my money and then a million dollars would come right back in It's like that's really cool I would cry if I had to spend that much money Like Kyle and the Marisi of it all that little flashback was so Oh and Kyle said I own half of the agency Oh she does yeah she does actually like I didn't that whole cast it's at no matter who the focus was it's just a bunch of people projecting their own trauma. Yeah. You know, because like, you know, so many of these women have had divorces. Eric has had a divorce with Tom Girardi, who was literally in jail. You know, you have

DeReed going through a divorce and P.K.'s doing interviews, like, trying to, like, throw her under the bus, and he seems like just kind of a shady, I mean, Derreet and P.K. do seem like the same person. They do feel like they are made for each other. Now that they're getting divorced, they're at each other's throats. But, like, Kyle has this, like, they're no longer together, but they're still married. They seem to have a lot of mutual respect. And I do think the way that all these women are like telling her how she needs to get divorced and maybe there's some like, Bose was the only one who made sense, which is like at least while you guys are getting along. Maybe this is a good time to like separate assets. Which that is that I heard the rumors I hear is that Mauricio does shady shit. So if they get divorced,

all their filings and money will come out. And then he's going to have to have more trouble with the law. Because he's gotten in trouble with this one house. He was double dipping. Like I think he that's what I heard from a friend. Alleged. Alleged. All alleged. But that's giving blog, though. Who knows?

Maybe it's true. But, like, I feel like that could potentially just be under the internet speculation of fan theory. And I don't, it doesn't have to necessarily be nefarious. No, no, no. But I wonder if that's it. Like, why split up all these assets and, like, give everyone all these filings into the courts when we don't have to when we get along? And I think in 10 years, they'll get back together. But I, you know, like, if they seem to have an ideal situation where they have, you

have this family, they have their daughters. There's a mutual respect. They've made a lot of money together. For whatever reason, they've lost the love for what, you know, he's out there doing his thing, being a fuck boy. She's figuring out her life. But like, if you're not. Well, what happened was he didn't emotionally fulfill her when her best friend

passed away in a tragic way. And that's what happened. Whatever the reason. It did not. It just seems like. I mean, when Andy asked is part of this emotional disconnect, part of the reason why you guys got a divorce? She said, yeah.

I mean, that was cold as hell when he goes, life passes. When she was breaking down in Amanda's house and they showed that flashback and she's like, I'm just sad. And they showed that video of like Kyle and one of their daughters is like a little girl. And like, you know, with, it just like, that was hard to watch because it just tells you just how fast time is. And like here's this younger version of Kyle and our younger daughters who are now getting married. And it's just like that life, that life that they built together. Well, because people trivialize like reality TV often and I have to like have these discussions with losers. and they're like, oh, it's this or they're that.

I go, at the end of the day, if they're vapid or whatever bad things, we've seen children be born, we've seen people lose their parents, get homes foreclosed on, go to prison. Like, we are a part of, they're really sharing the real fucking lives. And it's a lot. We've seen Porsche grow up. Yeah, it was just kind of sad.

Anyways, and then Dorete, Doret's lost her. Well, to me, it's like they're all jealous. It's like, yeah, Kyle was richer than you. She's more connected than you. She's hotter than you. Like, what do you want? Like, they're so fucking jealous of her. They all come for her, and then they're mad that

Kyle's like, I'm rich. Sorry. Like, what the fuck? And to Kyle's point, it is half of Kyle's because I'm assuming what she's saying is true is that like they didn't, they were both poor. Then they got rich. In California is one of the two 50, 50 states in this country.

So like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. It is half of her. It's Kathy's part though where she's like, does he know that? Because it's kind of like Kathy's picking into the part where it's like, do they even talk about this? Are they avoiding those conversations? Maybe so. But again, you're projecting like,

again, maybe Amanda, like we said last week, maybe Amanda's husband isn't like Kake. Maybe Maricio, for all his faults, is still loyal to Kyle in his family, you know, and maybe he's not going to, like, screw over Kyle. Maybe he will. I don't know. But the way all these women will project what's happening to them on each other is. And then never have the empathy for each other when they're going through it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, you mentioned Kathy, which obviously reminds me of caviar, sour cream, which reminds me of Rhode Island. Do not call something a hot dog if there's not a hot dog in there.

those crem-fresh hot dogs that she was passing out at the party with the caviar You can't say it's a hot dog if there's no hot dog A hot dog does need a little Why not just have a little toast then? It's like a veggie dog

But it's not veggie, it's caviar It wasn't it was crem-fresh And caviar on top in a bun Yeah It's a different version of a veggie dog You're really just using a hot dog style bun If anything you need to get different breading Because that's a bit thick

And then you had to read Basically wanting a credit For the whole Morgan Wade of it all Well it comes from Andy saying It comes from Mandy saying, what were you, in quotes, protecting her? Because Doreet claims she was protecting Kyle. Which is basically like, if a friend was like, hey, can I tell you something? Please don't tell anyone.

And they're like, yeah, for sure, I won't. Like, Doreet wants, that's Doreet protect. Like, if I was like, hey, Lisa, can I tell you a secret? And like, we're friends, right? Please don't say anything. Apparently, if that were to happen, that would be you protecting me by not telling anyone. It's also like. According to Doreet.

talking about two to Kyle's defense obviously everyone kind of gives her a hard time about the Morgan of it all because it's whatever but um no but then it's it's it's it's literally her being like hey I'm in this relationship with maybe I'm into this relationship possibly with this woman maybe and I don't really know what that means about me or my sexuality like I'm confused don't want to talk about it publicly don't really want it to be on the show maybe I got a little too close to the sun by having us tattoo each other and now I'm regretting my decision can we just like not talk about it because I don't want to get outed when I'm not ready. And then Doreet's like, yeah.

The fact that that's the same as not going to your book event is crazy. Speaking of the book event, when she, when Andy had that perfect analogy being like, well, you know, I thought Sutton made perfect sense. She's like, listen, like you, you came to my thing and just talk shit. So I just opted to not come and talk shit. And then he's like, Andy's like, that kind of makes sense and gives Doreen an analogy. And she's like, well, that's just a bad analogy. I'm like, and Andy goes, like, I thought it was perfect.

And it was perfect. And it was like, you can't even admit to that. You can't even acknowledge. Like, it's just, you know. She can't admit to anything because then when she starts admitting stuff, she will drop to her knees and cry at her life that she's built. That's based on lies. Yeah.

Like, she can't look inward because she will combust. With the truth. I am curious what like Garcel's thoughts would be on this because that was one of the reasons why Garcel and Sutton drifted apart because Garcel was asking Kyle about it. Yeah. And then Sutton talked beyond the camera about it and then on camera wouldn't mention anything. It is interesting that so much of this context

of Beverly Hills is just that one thing you can't talk about. It's always been the boring. It's been the most boring. It's a hangout show. It's the most boring because they're so savvy. It's like the Hollywood outfit. They keep referencing production

while pretending we're not supposed to acknowledge that it's production. And it's just like... It's annoying. Sutton saying that we were all asked to read the article about Erica as like super production. Because that season was all for digging stuff up.

And saying that she was given the $2 million loan tidbit about Amanda. She's like, well, that was given to me. Yeah, it's like... Mature women. I mean, Sutton, I mean, it's so sad for her because she had a real friendship with Garcelle and she chose proximity to people

who don't like her at all over an actual friendship and then pretending she doesn't know what happened. That's why Garcel was her. Well, Lisa Trigger, everybody, where can they follow you? Glitter cheese on Instagram, but then my Netflix special Night Owl, still keep watching it. Keep watching that.

Thank you to all our guests, including Lisa and Jay Ellis. We'll be back tomorrow with a bonus episode of a reality recap. We'll be diving deep into all the Mormon wives drama that's going out on the internet right now. A lot of Jesse Draper and Dakota going at it. Frank Taylor, Frankie Paul has entered a chat. We'll be jumping into that and so much more. So do not forget to tune in. friends, subscribe, all that fun stuff. Thanks for coming by. Thank you.

Well, see you tomorrow. Bye-bye. The Valfaus is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing a budgeting game? Well, with the name your price tool from Progressive, you can find options that fit your budget and potentially lower your bills. Try it at Progressive.com, progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates, prices and coverage match limited by state law. Not available in all states.