The Viall Files - E1125 - RHORI's Rosie Reports The Drama, Did Jen Fessler & West Wilson Hook Up? & Dorit's Spending Problems

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Today, we welcome one of our newest favorite Housewives, Rosie DiMare from RHORI, to get into all the drama from the season, including, but not limited to: Kelsey's issues with her, her issues with Kelsey, Rulla's relationship drama and buying cheap wine. Plus, we get into some crazy Summer House drama… West and Jenn Fessler? Allegedly? We discuss. Also, Dorit is spending some MONEY, HONEY! And you bet we have some takes on THAT as well as the rest of the RHOBH Reunion P3. You won't want to miss it :) "Oh, ok we're just making this up!" HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE? Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content? Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com   THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Reddit - Whatever question you're dealing with, whatever problem you're stuck on - Reddit already has the answers. Download the Reddit App today.  American Home Shield - Listeners can get 20% off select plans today! Just visit https://ahs.com/viallfiles to sign up. See https://ahs.com/contracts for coverage details, including service fees, limitations and exclusions. OneSkin - For a limited time, try OneSkin with 15% off using code VIALL at https://oneskin.co/viall  BetterHelp - Fill out the questionnaire and check your coverage today at https://betterhelp.com/viall  Ollie - Head to https://ollie.com/viall, tell them all about your dog, and use code VIALL to get 70% off your Welcome Kit when you subscribe today! Quince - Head to https://quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 13:11 - Summer House 40:02 - RHOBH 51:05 - Beyond The Villa 59:50 - Rosie Joins / RHORI 01:39:59 - Outro Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @therosiewoods @the_mare_bare @justinkaphillips

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Well, before we get into all things, reality TV, do not forget that Vile Files Plus is ad-free. So all your favorite Vile Files episodes are available now, ad-free. Plus, you get some great bonus content, obviously with all the drama going on in reality TV. We certainly don't have time to dissect every little detail, but we do that in pop extras. So if you can't get enough of discourse around Summer House beyond the Villa, the Valley. Also, like, we didn't even get, we'll talk about obviously the Valley this week. What is going on? I thought Ben, who was here last week of Watch What Crapin's.

He was like, you know what, I'm not really sure if I'm like, Danny, I'm not sure about Danny. And I was like, what are you talking about? Then one episode later. And then I watch this episode. I'm like, what the fuck? Like the way the, I don't know. Maybe it's TV. Maybe it's editing.

I don't know. But the way Luke and Danny act like child care is something that's foreign to them or it's like not their main responsibility or like to it's like they're giving like 1980s dad. Yeah. And it's really bizarre. I don't know. We'll get into it more on Thursday's episode of Reality Revenue. recap, but the Valley's heating up. I'm excited about it. Anyways, we also get into all of this on Vial Files Plus. We are getting into the weeds on VALFiles Plus. You also have your pop extra

and your update special, all your favorite updates from your favorite ask Nick callers, all available on VALFELS Plus. So just go to VALFELS.com to sign up. You will be glad that you did. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the VAL Files reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by my lovely wife, amazing mother of my daughter, Daughters, soon to be daughters. Daughters. Dodder. I can't talk. It's Monday morning, everybody. I hope you had a wonderful weekend, a wonderful Mother's Day for all the mothers out there. I hope it was wonderful and joyous and special and unique. I hope it was for you, my wife. She got a bag. You got a bag? I did. I got a calum. Well, now he's looking it up. I just,

just want to give a thank you to my wife. Because, and this is like really just a shout out to all the ladies out there. If you want to make, I think a key to our relationship, one of the many keys, is that Natalie makes it easy for me to be successful. Like when we got engaged, you know, it was like leading up to engagement, she made it very clear what she was looking for in a ring. And enough time that allowed me to do my thing and it still felt special. for her because like we didn't go ring shopping together

we didn't pick it out together but she's giving you she's providing you with the tools she's providing me with the tools shape and color yeah all the necessary details when we got married you know when for the engagement party she told me what she wanted she gave me the beats so I could be successful

she also has a wish list for gifts I when it comes my love language is not gifts it just it's just not I feel nothing from receiving them I enjoy making my wife happy, but it is a painful experience inside my body. But she knows this and she makes it easy for me because her love language is in fact gifts. You're so kind. It brightens her day. Now, if you are one of these people who makes your husband successful by giving them successful notes,

let them be successful. I am in New York for the Vulture event and I had a little bit of free time. And I had set list and Mother's Day was coming up and I'm like, you know what? I mean, use my free time. during this day to shop for my wife. Exactly. Smart cookie right there. We also share each other's locations because, you know, not because we don't, you know, we're keeping eye each other, but sometimes we just need to. It's cute to see. We have a kid together. It's just nice to know that we're safe.

If I'm dead on a ditch, he needs to know what ditch. Yeah, I need to know which highway it's all right. We need to know. And so I also got a haircut, not the haircut you're looking at right now. If you're watching, I buzzed that last night. But I got a little trim for the Voltra event because I thought, you know, I was looking, I was doing plus and the hero was getting out of control. And I am going to interrupt here because I feel like now this story needs to come from my POV.

Yes. Okay. So from my POV, I am sitting at home with River and I'm like, okay, he's like, I look at my wish list and I'm like, I know he's probably going to go off this. And I'm, it's a Cal Meyer bag, which is like kind of a random brand. You know, I'm like, do they even have any stores? Like I wonder. And I found, oh, they have two stores in New York.

One upper east side, one like very downtown Sohoey. And Nick was staying in meatpacking. So I'm like, I don't really want to like have to ask him. It's like, you know, get on a train. I don't know how much time he had. That feels like a lot, you know. So I didn't say anything. And then I texted him like, what are you doing?

And he's like, I'm getting a haircut. And I was like, oh, thank you. And I like, you know, check his location and see where he's getting a haircut. What, borough? Oh, he's literally on the street, Orchard Street, that the store was on. And I'm like, oh my God. He's literally across the street from this store. So I call him like, hey, do you happen to be on Orchard Street?

He's like, yeah. And I'm like, okay, there's this store. It's called Kalmire. I don't know. Like, I think it's across the street from where you're getting your haircut. Like, if you look at the wish list, there's a blue bag that's on there from the store. And he's like, Natalie, I don't need your help. And I'm like, oh, oh, got it.

By the way, Nick, this is where you said, no, my phone was stolen. I'm trying to find it. I don't know how I'm answering your call right now. I'm literally sitting outside of said store because the person working at the store took a bit of a lunch break. They put a notes and I'll be back

and I don't know how long. Yeah. You've heard the phrase, you lead a horse to water. Yeah. You don't need to like force feed. Yeah, when the face is already at the trough, yeah. Just let them drink the water.

Yeah. You know, you've done your part. You know, you've done enough. I thought it just was serendipitous that he happened to have been getting a haircut on the same street as his store. Yeah. And I was like, oh my God, don't move because this could be where you get the gift. Nick, that's when you should have been like, stores closed down, Google Maps doing its thing again. I don't know.

That sucks for you. And then you show up with the bag. Yeah. Why do moms need to be overachievers? Let's just leave it at that. Oh, we are. You are. You're always going to do the work.

Do you guys, as a mother of a cat, do you? You guys want to hear about my mother's day goes like this. So Saturday night, I go out with one of my besties and we go out, go a little drunk. Not super, super drunk, but drunk enough that I was feeling silly goofy. I end up going home, it's fine. I'd eaten a bit of ice cream before I had gone to bed. And I was a bit sleepy and drunk. Maybe I did not put away the ice cream.

I closed the lid. You gave your cat ice cream? No. I did not give it to him. I closed the lid. I fell asleep at like 2.30 in the morning. Just like not to interrupt, but then it's like melted and then you can't eat it again. Well, again, it wasn't like I intentionally had, it wasn't intentional on my part.

It was, I was a little bit tipsy. You weren't thinking of like future me might want another bite of this. No. So I'll put it back in the freeze. There was no future me in my brain. It was only I'm going to go to sleep right now. So I go to sleep. And then I am awoken at about 6.45 a.m.

by my cat George Michael jumping on my chest and then going to the corner of my bed where there is a jacket and throwing up on said jacket. And I was like, ew. And then I, it smells disgusting in my room. I look around, he's had diarrhea. And I was like, oh my God, what's going on? This is not normal George Michael behavior. And so then I like, get on the phone. I call my mom. And I had sent her flowers in a 12 pack of Diet Coke for Mother's Day. And she was like, I got it. I can't believe you're up so early. And I was like, yeah, happy Mother's Day. I love you. I think I have to take George Michael to urgent care

because he might have gotten into some ice cream. And so then I take him to urgent care. And then they were like, he's fine. But you have to pay us like $300 now. I was going to say pet, urgent care is. Yeah, so PCA, babes. I lost $300 and my entire morning because I had to stay there for four hours

because there were pets that were actually having an emergency on Mother's Day. And then I was like, this is what it is to be a mother. Sometimes you do. Mother's Day. Justin also, I'm at urgent care. I get a text from Justin that says, Happy Mother's Day.

How does, you are such a great pet parent to George Michael as I'm like, fuck, I'm the worst. But I do think that is what is. Well, at least you took him to the vet. I didn't. He was fine. Well, speaking of desserts, River, while Nick was gone, I obviously slept with River.

She slept in my bed, our bed. And she wakes up with the ass crack of dawn. And she's like, my mom went a snack. And I'm like, okay what do you want to pout or something and she's like no I want to snap and I'm like all right go get a granola bar and bring it back here and I'll open it up for you she's like okay hops off the bed goes out the room shuts the door behind her of course she's she's shut the doors behind her she's very respectful like that that's really cool and so I'm like kind of waiting I'm like kind of

taking her a minute like hmm I wonder what she's doing so I'm like let me sneak out there and spy on her You know? Yeah. So I go out there very quietly, tip toe, tip toe, tip toe. The pantry, like, doors or cabinet doors are open. So I know, obviously, she's... Rummaging. She got her snack.

Mm-hmm. Nowhere to be found. I'm like, oh, my God. Literally nowhere. I'm like, is she in a room? I go back into a room, not in her room. I look in her closet, not in her closet. I'm like, okay, actually, like, who the fuck is she?

That's kind of crazy. Did she disappear often? So I, yeah, sometimes she does like to hide. Yeah. And so I'm like, okay, she's got to be hiding from me, right? So then I'm like... really listening. I'm like looking behind things. And then I start to hear some smacking. And I'm like, okay, I'll follow the smacking. So I go, mm-hmm. So I go around, she's behind the curtain.

Okay. So I peek behind the curtain. She's got a bag of cookies. And she is like looking out the window, just like showing the That's really cute actually. And I go, River. And she ducks. She like ducks behind the curtain to like hide herself. And I'm like, what are you doing? Nothing. Granted, she had left the box of cookies in the pantry and just took the bag out.

Just took the bag out. She's smart. Yeah, she's so smart. So then I'm like, I go around and I'm like, what are you doing behind there? And when she realized I wasn't mad, she, like, we started laughing. And I was like, how many cookies did you eat? She's like, two! She ate more than two.

She ate more than two. But I did ask her several times throughout the day. Stuck to her story. She stuck to her story. Two. She kept with two. But so funny. Is she good at counting?

She goes one, two, four, nine. No, one, two, six, nine four. So she probably ate six. One, six, nine. She's consistent with one, two, six, nine. You know how, like, kids are obsessed with six seven? She's obsessed with six nine. And she says it all the time.

This story. She'll pick up her little phone and she's like, 6-9. Six-nine. Cool. Oh, I didn't tell you guys this story. I was flying. When I flew with River to the Lake, I was also with my dad. And we were running a little late.

And he doesn't have TSA pre-check. And River, I do because we're fancy like that. And so we got separated. And we were boarding. And I got on the phone. And I'm like, Dad, where the fuck are you? You know? And River, I'm holding her.

And then she gets on her fake phone. and by phone she just mimics being on a phone and we're in the airport and she's like fuck fuck fuck screaming the F-ford and I'm like oh my god please stop for the first she you know so River is? Yeah and she heard that from who

me because I was literally on the phone I'm like where the fuck are you and then she immediately goes like this with like her hand and she's like a bit out of fuck fuck fuck screaming fuck in the middle of the airport and everyone's like looking at me and I'm like please stop please stop anyway so I have to like start

watching my very dirty potty mouth. She's getting to that age. Yeah. Yeah. She's going to start repeating things. No, she is. She's past that. She is doing that.

And it is crazy that they always, like, they don't know that the curse words are bad. But then those are the ones that they're going to lack John to. Thank God she hasn't said that recently. Yeah. Since then. Yeah. We have a wild and wacky episode lined up for you today. Rosie from Real Housewives of Rhode Island is with us super excited to talk with her.

Obviously, another great episode has launched. These women are giving. It's wonderful. Really excited to get to know and talk to Rosie about her joining the housewife's cast. Obviously, the drama that's going on and unfolding before our eyes on the real housewives of Rhode Island. So super excited to talk with Rosie. But before we get to Rosie, there is so much to unpack over the weekend. The summer house scandal does not die.

We have Sierra in the comments accusing Jen Fessler of sleeping with West Wilson. I don't know what's going on. It's crazy. I met Jen Fessler at the Vulture party. Man. I also met KJ. I met Mia. I met Dara.

Many of the cast of Summer House joined in support of Kyle Dijing. I got to watch Kyle DJ. I finally met Kyle in person. How was that? He's a very good DJ. What was your favorite tracks? He was spinning?

I don't know. He was all vibes. He didn't play Madonna. It was all vibes. He didn't play Madonna, unfortunately. I didn't put in requests. There was a clip of Andy, like, when he, I guess him and Kathy,

you're like accepting an award or something. And he turns to Kyle and says something. And everyone's like, why are you yelling at Kyle? Like, he's been through enough already. And he was like, I was requesting a Madonna song. Also, Kyle's not a baby. Yeah, the way that Kyle is getting this ultra sympathy is whack ado. It is, I mean, again, I've really enjoyed getting to know him.

I, you know, can't speak for the way he has spoken to his soon-to-be ex-wife. But I've enjoyed getting to know him. and I think there is more behind the surface than we get to see on TV. That being said, it was... I'm giggling that Natalie said some award as if Andy didn't get the Master of Culture Award. Oh, Master of Culture Award.

Master of Culture Award. Doesn't respect on his name. My bad. Vulture gave Andy the Master of Culture Award? Yeah. Okay. Well, all I saw was him holding something and then turning and being like...

It's a cafe. Well, it was just really fascinating because I met Jen Fessler and she was lovely and very nice and very sweet. one of my favorites, by the very affectionate and not and and it was just kind of fascinating because at this said I believe it was the Vulture event red carpet

in which Margaret who I also met and Jen Fessler were doing press together and obviously like every Bravo celebrity doing press right now is being asked about the Summer House scandal or whatever you want to talk about Jen Fessler was asked by page six about the Summer House scandal that night and said this about West

West is the cutest sweetest golden retriever puppy dog. He does does not mean any harm. He didn't mean it. He's just trying to have a good time. He doesn't want to hurt anyone. Give him a break. She did start with, I love Sierra.

I love Sierra. I met. She was like, I met her. I don't know. She said she did acknowledge Sierra in her response. Yeah. Apparently, Sierra sat behind Jen Fessler on the way back from BravoCon. I only know this because Jen told me.

Oh. He's got to you. But yeah, she led with something nice. And apparently this did not land with Sierra. Here's the thing. This all went down. on threads because apparently that's where we are as a society. Sure.

Is that things are going down on threads. So basically the thread that... Someone quoted what she said. Someone quoted what she said on threads. And it just had the West is the cutest, sweetest, golden retriever puppy dog thing. And then Sierra went on threads and responded with... I am shocked that she is on threads scrolling. We're all scrolling at the end of the day.

On threads? Sometimes Twitter's assessable now. I refuse to download that every single time. time I click on it thinking it's a post and it's like download threads and I'm not I'm not you I'm still in the trenches of Twitter with the rest of the smoker section of the world but threads is obviously providing some enjoyment to me now with this drama when Sierra jumped into threads she shook the world she said L.O.L because they slept together too the threads team at Facebook was lighting up be like hey we got some activity we're popping yeah this is um what was what was the big thing on

Twitter that bump Twitter. This is what that is for threads. Anyway, so Jen Fessler denied that she slept with Wes, saying it's flattering that anyone would think someone who slept with Sierra Miller would be interested in sleeping with me in all seriousness. And why I can't help but be a little flattered, it's not nice, nor is it okay to post something categorically untrue and defamatory on social media, regardless of whatever rumors or apparent evidence led you to that conclusion. That is the definition of libel. If it were true, I would have no recourse. Because of it it's a lie, this can get more complicated. Having said that, I hope we can

rectify this. It's enough now. I mean, isn't her husband like a lawyer? Yes. She is married with a child. Corporate practice group at well. He has a legal background. Yeah. Okay, so her husband's sitting there being like, babe. She can't say that. She can't say that, babe. Also, Sierra left a couple

comments before Jen responded on threads. No, she was, yeah. It wasn't one. There was a couple more. She was basically poking fun and alluding to yes, this is true. Yeah. Someone said like, oh, I thought she was married and Sierra responded with like, yeah, I thought so too, or he's got a type or something along the line. I hate to be the voice. She posts this little gymnastics girl doing a... I hate to be the voice for reason here. But like, and I know we're all, we're all deeply in

supportive Sierra. We are happy of the success that she is experiencing right now. We literally cannot keep up with the opportunities in great moments Sierra is experiencing right now. We woke up this morning knowing that Sierra is now co-hosting AfterSun with Hello Teffy. who also saw a culture event, which we're super excited and wonderful. iconic opportunity. For Love Island, if anyone is going on. So much amazing things going on.

And it's just like, listen, am I the only one who like, it has to say it? Like, it doesn't matter if this rumor is true. I know. And it's just more like, and I also want to say, like, I empathize with Sierra. Because, listen, if you are in Sierra's position and you are trying to get over someone

and someone hurt you and broke you, there's nothing more difficult trying to get over someone than that not okay first of all one they didn't pick you fine that hurts now they're dating your friend that hurts even more right in your face it's in your circle and then on top of it the most difficult thing for anyone to move on is when the person because you're feeling that pain right you feel that pain you've met like you know and again that pain is based off of like all these things of feeling silly or like thinking about all the promises you made and I know West and Sierra never technically dated, but there was clearly a bond that they shared. They had a lot of conversations. And when that ends, that is painful to experience. And when

you see the other side, West Wilson, seemingly, because like everywhere we go, like TMZ, every hour on the hour, it's like monitoring the situation of West Wilson, like, roaming New York or the world. And anytime he, like, is remotely close to a female, someone's taking a picture, selling it to TMZ. The wedding stuff? Whatever. They're doing with West Wilson what they should have done with Don Draper. Sure. Yeah. Anyway, but the point is, is that West is giving the appearance of unbothered. Whether he is suffering behind the scenes or not, and I doubt he is suffering all that

mud, but he is giving the appearance of unbothered, and that hurts. When the person that broke you is demonstrating indifference, there's that part of you that wants the world to know, this isn't a good guy, you know? and the idea that you know and so it makes sense it makes sense that when Jen Fessor is out there be like you know what I love him he's a golden retriever don't hate on him I imagine that is upsetting

it would be upsetting to me I have we've all been Sierra in that position where you just want everyone to fucking hate this person because this person hurt you hurt you at your core and it's just like and I totally get it but like it's what what she's doing now is like it's like it's his

unbotheredness that is so upsetting to Sierra that I get why it's triggering. But at this point, like, it doesn't even matter if it's true. Like, now we're getting into the weeds of true or not. Like, why are you bringing another family into this? I don't know what Jen Fessler and her husband's situation is. Maybe she fucked them.

Maybe they had a gangbing. Maybe they had a threesome. I don't fucking know. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's untrue. There's this video going around of Jen and Wes seemingly drunk, eating pizza, looking very close and very flirty. Jen told us that her husband took that video.

that changes the layer of the dynamic. I don't know. Maybe who really knows? But the point is, it's just like at this point, why, like, we're reaching, you're reaching the, like, you won, Sierra, it's over, you won, everyone knows that. She's still winning out. You, you, it's, no, you won. And at this point, like, again, I don't think anyone, like, this is not going to hurt

Sierra, but at some point, it's going to get to the point where it's just like, just, you've got to move forward. And again, let's just count through all the amazing successes that she's, she's, Met Gala. She is in an old Navy commercial. It's not just like some teat whitening campaign. This is like an amazing old Navy commercial that like usually is

reserved for like again, A-list stars. You know, I know Rob's on it and he's got a big moment. It's incredible. She's also on Dancing With the Stars. She's now the host of AfterSun. She's only to get more opportunities as she should and we're so happy for her. Just like let it go.

I honestly feel like she didn't need to say anything. thing like I am sure that hearing Jen's comments was like super fucking annoying you're like you're like you're like shut the hell oh yeah you're like he's not you know he didn't hurt anyone he didn't mean it like it was probably like he fucked it yeah you probably fucked him too nobody nobody who listened to that interview or read that quote was like you are right jen pesler like i'm gonna stop hating on west like we didn't need to know that they allegedly may or may not probably did not have sex.

Like, we didn't need to know that. We didn't need to have Sierra join the chat. We all were like, Jen, shake my head, rolling my eyes. Like, no, absolutely not. You're silly. Yeah, it's just... It's Jen Fessler, too. Like, I screamed out loud when I saw that because, like,

Jen Fessler is the one that's never been problematic that we all love. And she's, like, presents to be this, like, healthy wife and mother on New Jersey. Like, she was the normalizing person on Jersey. And again, like, I don't know, maybe whatever they did or didn't do, Like, not to be all like the adult in the room or whatever, but like Jen does have a family. She has kids and like other people. Like maybe Jen signed up for this whole drama and how this how this Bravo world works where you just like spread tea about each other. But like I don't know.

Like Jen's not even on New Jersey Housewives anymore. Like she's doing her thing. Like why are. You know. True. I just like it there is like listen under any other circumstance, I'm confident saying that Sierra would not have shared that information. right like she just wouldn't like if this situation wasn't going on and usually when we make decisions like that where in any other circumstance we wouldn't do something as time passes like listen if

someone that i cared about a friend my my daughters as they get older and they start dating you know if if if they were hurt in the way sierra was hurt by someone and i was you know wanted to be there for them and and they were seemingly moving on and then they went to the comments like sierra did yeah i would reach out to my daughter or my friend and say listen i get it it they fucking suck i understand it's painful but like yeah like this is not this is not you're you're gonna whenever sierra heals from this pain you know and that's okay that she hasn't because like people will heal on their own time fuck it's it took me way you know when i was going through shit like this it took me much longer than it should so like there's no judgment there but i would

reach out to that friend and then just say listen this is not you're not helping yourself and and when you heal whenever sierra is truly over over it when she looks at West and just sees him for who he is and the feelings are gone. There is this no world in which she won't wish she didn't do that. She just won't. And I think we always have to remember because right now it's like Stan culture. And now everyone, all the all the fans, all the Bravo fans are like, oh, I'm loving Sierra and her like burn into the ground era.

It's like it's giving like, you know, like I just want to watch the world burn because, you know, the hurt people, hurt people. She's hurting right now. But it's like it doesn't serve you in the long run. and it just, it brings you down to that person's level. And now you have fans being like, oh, I love this. And I think it's just really important to remember that whether your friends will always show up for your pain more than they show up for your success.

It's just easier. And it's not a rip on your friends. It's just like, listen, when you have something good going on your life, your friends want to hear about it. But there's always a limit. It's like, okay. Congrats. You know what?

Good for you. Like there's a point where you want to be humble. And, you know, but when you're hurting, your friends, like, there's no comparison. and there's no like, hey, I'm really happy for you, but do I have that going on in my life and things like that? And your fans are the same way. They're always going to show up for your pain more than their success. They're projecting their own bullshit onto you.

They're living through Sierra because, like, someone who wronged them wasn't held accounted for the way West was held accounted for. But they don't have Sierra's best interest in mind. And they're just aging her on and aging her on. And it's just like, I know it's fun for all of us. I know we're like following the story. But at some point, like, it's just not good for her heart, you know? And I just, you know, I just, I wish she would, you know, enjoy these successes and move on because I just, I feel like, and again, she will move on at her own pace.

But in the meantime, before she is ready, I just wish she wouldn't go back to that toxicity that kept her in that space for so long because she's still giving so much of her energy to West Wilson, which is the thing. that we all do when we're going through this and it's just like in between all these amazing successes that she is having. She is like not allowing herself to enjoy these successes because she is still worried about what Jen Fessler has to say about what

who gives, no offense to Jen Fessler, we love that Jen Fessler, but who gives a shit if she's tight with West Wilson? You know? Yeah, and I don't disagree with anything you guys are saying. I do think it's unfortunate that Jen Fessler and her family and whatever

are getting pulled into Summer House stuff no matter how good the tea is because I do I do think it's important for me especially sometimes I get very excited by the drama and I do have to remember these are real people and not just characters on my TV screen so in that sense And that's a reminder for everybody

That's a reminder for everyone Hey these girls are real Okay watch it But yeah I think In my it to play maybe devil's advocate for Sierra. He doesn't need one. You say she doesn't need one?

I said he doesn't need one. Oh, he doesn't need it. The devil. The devil doesn't need an advocate. Anyway, but I'll advocate for him on behalf of Sierra Miller. So I just think that sometimes when you're in that space

where you're going through all of these emotions with whatever relationship you are that's ending, I also think Sierra is in a space where she can't necessarily move on quite yet as much as you want to because of the way Summerhouse is airing, because of the news cycle.

She's also been caught up and like all of the stuff of everyone supporting her. And in this way, like you can do no wrong. You should fucking burn it to the ground. Like that's the narrative that's behind her.

And so she's doing, she has this in her brain. And also like, it's fun to feel that way. It's fun to be like, yeah, fuck it. I'm gonna go on threads. Who knows what she was,

maybe she was a little tipsy. Maybe she's out with her. It's her healing process. Maybe she's out with her girl. She sees this. She, here's my impression. Sierra, maybe like two drinks.

on threads. See this. See this Jen Fessler thing and it's like, are you fucking kidding me? L.O.L. They hooked up. So that's it. That's probably all that went through her mind and then she was like, oh shit. Whatever. And it's just like, I'm not going to count. She did double and triple down. She did double and triple down. She did double and triple down in the way that it's like,

whatever. Fuck it. I'm going to stand by my story. She needs a friend to take the phone away. And I get, I totally get it. But sometimes your friend doesn't take the phone away and you just have to like go for it. But that's kind of my point. And you're right. And it is so much harder for Sierra than the average person to get over this

because like her friend group is the fucking world right now. It is the internet. Everyone just agging her on and supporting her and be like burn it to the ground, Sierra, burn it all down. But like again, but again like those friends

do not have her best interest in mind. Just like the friends who again, while they are your friends when you're down bad and you're talking your friend grouping, you're like you're going through something, your friends are going to project their own bad experience.

on you. And again, it's not because they don't care about you. It's not because they're not your friend. It's that we all do that shit. And again, it's so much easier to just want your friend to live in that space. Because when we are down bad and when our friends are showing up for our misery, it feels awesome. It feels awesome. We're the center of attention. We are being validated and supported and that gets addicting and it's hard. And again, I mean, again, like, when I was on the Bachelorette, like, you know, the two-time fucking runner up. And I'm just like trying to get over these people. Meanwhile, I have to watch these people get engaged. and be supported and I didn't have many people I didn't have like many people

supporting me like Sierra has at the time but it's really hard you know you want people to validate you you want people to know like no like I got wronged and like here's my side of the story and again like I totally get it and it's so much harder for someone in Sierra shoes than the average person because the world is aiding her on and it's just like I just want I just my hope and again just like if it was a you know I don't know Sierra that well you know I had the pleasure of meeting her. She's a lovely person. But like I just like if it was someone

who's in my circle, I would just be like I get it. I totally get it. They fucking suck. I get it. I've been there. But like you just you're the host of after sun. You're on dancing with the stars. You are like God only knows how many more opportunities to come your way and you deserve

all of this. So let's let's focus on that and stop giving this guy your attention and your energy. Because like until she stops doing that, she's still in that relationship. And that's, and honestly, when it comes to moving on from a relationship, that is the hardest, hard to get over. Because, like, that's the last thing that you have to leave is the memory of that person, you know, those things. And that, you know, and it just, and I'm sure West made her feel

crazy, you know, like, she's watching this, this season back. And like, and, and I'm sure it's very validating to be like, see, I, I had reasons to be emotionally invest in this man. He gave me all these verifiable reasons to trust him and he didn't and like when she hears someone like Jen Fester would be like he's a golden retriever I love him he's no I she's like shut the fuck up again but like let's not let's not like destroy like again like I wonder what you guys think about this do you ever when your friend when you are being that friend that's like supportive of your friend when they're going through shit do you ever find yourself just like encouraging them for the sake of the plot because you wouldn't do that

I'm sure I've been that person I'm like it's been a while yeah I feel like I mean to next point yeah it's like this should have this should have been a text in the group chat like this should have been a send to Paige and Hannah and whoever

else is in that group chat and been like bitches y'all know he slept with her that in it and right now the like Nick said the entire internet feels like her group chat she feels like she has everyone that she's just Sometimes it just needs to stay on close friends.

It needed to stay on close friends. And I've been there. Like in this show, like I've been there. I have said things about people feeling validated because I knew I had the internet on my side. And then you say it. And then the dust settles and months go by. And then you find out what you said affected someone else. And then you're over it.

You're over whatever it was that triggered you. And you always feel bad. You're always like, I didn't need to do that. I didn't need to. And there's no doubt that at some point in the future, because I assume that Sierra is a human being and a good person and has empathy, that she will, like, she will no doubt. Feel a little bit. I didn't need to do that. We're also talking about Jen Fessler who came on Jersey Housewives and was like, my husband had an affair on me.

They split for a year and a half, got back together, back married. She, like, talked about all of this on Jersey Housewives. So, like, why wouldn't she just say, yeah, we slept together. My husband knew. Like, we're talking about someone who clearly doesn't care. Is open about the- Her relationship with her husband and her life. She's going through.

The stuff that her, the type of relationship her and her husband have. She's open about it. She talks about it. So if it were true, she would probably say it. She'd probably just say it. Yeah, I mean, to the Sierra thing that still, that's interesting to me is that, like, I think sometimes you have to make. those mistakes to realize, you know what I mean?

Like, I don't, obviously, I don't know every bit of drama series gotten herself into, but I think sometimes that you kind of have to maybe be like, okay, I want to go too far, let me pull back. I'm sorry, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I mean, listen, what Sierra did, we've all done on some version, maybe not to this scale, but the scale doesn't really matter. It's just, it's, it's sometimes you get a little too hot and you're like, I will say, it is strange that West posted the meme, posted on his Instagram story.

Everyone's like, he's defending Jen Fessler more than he defended Amanda. Literally. Also, I will say on top of that, the one thing I took away from the Sierra situation, and I don't prescribe to the potential truth of Jen sleeping with West, is that there's also the Lisa Milan interview that's resurfacing. She's from Dubai Housewives, where she said she was like, yeah, West was being very flirty and I had to tell him multiple times that I married. So what's coming from this, what I took from Sierra,

is that there's a pattern with West of going after, or being flirty with married women. What I think, and Nick and I talked about this over the weekend, was like, even when we interviewed West, he's a very touchy, flirty. And we watch it on Summer House. We see it in the TMZ pictures of him at this wedding, kissing someone's forehead. Like, this is a very affectionate man. He is very touchy. And what it sounds and what I feel, I don't feel like West. And maybe he did.

I could be like very much wrong. And Lisa could come out and be like, babes, no. know this is what he said to me. But I feel like maybe he was very touchy with her and she was like, babies, I'm married with three children. Yeah. You know? I do think that sometimes maybe I read this a bit differently as like a queer

women who like women are very affectionate. You can tell when someone's just naturally a very affectionate, touchy person and when they're like trying to flirt with you. I mean, that's a gray area. I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. Also, when I have the pleasure of meeting housewives and the housewives that I meet

that are like late 50s or you know a little older they are very nice and affectionate and they're very complimentary of me and I don't think in a way that like oh I'm not like oh they want to fuck they're just being fun they're being fun they're like oh you handsome young man like they talk to me like I'm a child you know even though I'm 45 you know and it's nice for both of you it's a mutually beneficial relationship and I and Jen was very lovely very affectionate at no point of it I didn't reach out to another and be like I think it was like it was not like it was not like it was not like that but again if you're the internet and you're being in your filming this it was like oh they look really friendly and fun and there's an affectionate and i'm not no one ever describes me to

maybe counter your point is an affectionate i'm a prickly cat yeah um but when i feel comfortable just like any cat you know i'm sure george michael gets affectionate with you yeah you know he does so i have my moments you know but like that doesn't necessarily mean just because i'm being an affectionate with this person i'm not normally affectionate with like a person yeah that that that means anything more than just like we have mutual friends. Jen Fessner and I have a very close mutual friend, so there was a bond there. Sometimes George Mike was nice to people

just because he wants food. Yeah, exactly. There you go. Anyway. And then Vinita, we love her, queen, yada, yada, yada. I love Vanita. But like, again, like, what is Jen Fester supposed to do?

Not respond, not defend her? Again, true or not? Like, you know, this is her, you brought her family into this. Yeah. What do you expect her to do? She probably didn't need the whole, like, liable, like, kind of

came across. Again, I think if her husband is a lawyer, she's probably like, he's going to be like, threatening her with the lawsuit. She'll shut the fuck up. Yeah. And then. Sierra responded to the lawyer, like her saying that I would sue. Lisa Barlow. I'm shaking. I'm physically shaking. Which is, objectively hilarious. Objectively hilarious. Like, they're, like, the thing about Sierra is like, she's being funny with it. So it's hard for me to be mad. Well, I'm not mad. I don't care. Like, it's not bothering me. It's just more like, I just don't, like, again, thinking big picture, taking myself out of stand culture where it's just like, you can do no wrong because everyone. like you're a queen and blah blah blah blah blah and like it's just staying culture it does not look out for you they don't have your best interest in mind they just want to watch the world burn because inside you know like it's very dangerous to let a bunch of unhappy people dictate your decision tree and the internet is full of miserable fucking people and the people who are most supportive of your misery are also people who are deeply unhappy with their own lives that's just a fact can i give you guys my thesis on why these things happen on the internet. It's basically, I think that serotonin, obviously you get serotonin and dopamine from stuff happening online. The biggest

schadenfreude is like when you watch someone fall and it feels awesome. So it's like to watch people get clowned on the internet or their lives ruined is like objectively going to make your nervous system feel great, which is really dark and fucked up. But like it's why we like horror movies. It's like why we like all of this. And with the internet, it's separated from you. It's not people you don't know. You can pretend it's not real. And so it's like, I mean, this is a very dramatic version of what's happening with like the Jen Fessler stuff. But it's like with West and Sierra, it's like you want, Sierra is you in that moment and you want to watch the world burn because to you it's not real. But then it's real people's lives. So maybe I don't know, chill the fuck out.

But I assume Sierra outside of all this drama, like all of us just wants to have peace and wants to find her person and wants to find like happiness and peace. And this isn't going to get you there. You know, and I know it's fun, and I know it's a little messy, and I know there are a lot of people egging you on, but I just, like, again, you will, at some point, she's going to be like, I shouldn't have done that. People might be like, should the folk up there, blah, blah, blah. Like, it's just like, because I know Sierra's a good person,

and good people will feel bad when you realize, when your pain is gone and you don't need to, like, have other people feel your pain, you're going to, you're going to, like, take an inventory in account for, like, you know, the collateral damage of your pain. Yeah. And we've all been there.

Yeah. You know? And it's just, she has so many amazing things going on. And, and, and, and, well deserved.

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Honestly, Derreit was the biggest eye roll. this entire reunion. And even more so in the third family. She's lost me. She's lost me. She's lost me too. She is in the sauce and I am not liking the way of taste. When she apologized to Sutton and then Sutton goes, okay.

And she goes, you bought that? I was like, what? What? So that was not a genuine apology? When she was like, I did apologize? Andy was like, when? She's like, when I acknowledged? When I acknowledged and I said that I was sorry, it's like, okay, so you're saying

it now. But you're also acknowledged. But I also don't think she actually said, I'm sorry. She did. No, she did. She threw it in there. Yeah. But I do like she's spending, what is it?

Like $60,000 a month on clothes? So basically P.K. alleged in New Court filings that Doreit spent approximately 80% of her available funds for her personal expenses, which included her clothing and travel totaling in excess of a million dollars from December 2024 through March 31st, PK claims that Dorete spent $995,270. unquote wardrobe related expenses, including about $69,000 in charges from Louis Vuitton, another $69,000 from Chanel, $38,000 from Hermes, and $22,000 from St. Honor, A, between October 30th and January 6, 2025 per the filing. Nuts. I just couldn't imagine a lot of all of a sudden, Natalie just started like spending at this limit, and no matter what I said, and no matter what I was like, yo, can we just slow down?

She just kept going and going and going. And then also she's calling you an alcoholic and a bad father. Yes. And like gaslighting me. And it's, I, that's, that would be a terrifying situation. I will say, when I saw this stuff come out, my first thought was like, we've known for a while that there was like some kind of financial, I guess, instability is right. Where it would read specifically because her whole thing like seasons ago was to wear brand on brand on brand.

And then there was two seasons where it was like neutrals. Like no brands, just like simple stuff. and people called it out. I want to say Garsel and Sain called it out. And like now there's this season where it's Kyle saying I think the words were erratic or like your spending was a lot.

So I think it checks out. I'm not surprised, but also like it's coming from PK's side. Why do you think she went neutrals for two seasons? I mean she said that she was the real to read and she was trying to like find it was it was post-burglary too so I think there was probably some mental aspects to it. But like...

The neutrals is a really good question though because just because you go from name brand to not name brand. and doth not mean you go from color to neutral. No, but what I'm saying, though, is, yeah, because it can be expensive too, but I'm saying, though, as we've known that there's been some kind of financial narrative

that is behind the cameras, but also this is coming from P.K. side, and that's where, like, my thought is, like, this could also be not the full picture. Who knows? All I'm saying is justice for Kyle. Richards, not Cook. Yeah, for Kyle Richards.

But, like, and we, I think we've said as much. I mean, Sierra, household member of Sierra, not Sierra, not Sierra, has always kind of, like, you know, not been team, Kyle. but you know like you know how reality TV stars it's like the producers always like the excuse for when things don't go your well like I got produce maybe do this and I'll produce this producer this producer that and like oh Kyle's the excuse in Beverly Hills yeah it's just like and we kind of like oh Kyle's like a producer she's been on so long and like I don't know like maybe you know how much Kyle and Dorita really that friends but I just see it as like it seems like Kyle it was trying to be the friend who's like maybe giving advice that maybe the friend doesn't want to hear it doesn't make it bad advice though and like maybe like I'm sorry if you're if you are spending that much and it's that out of control, like something might need to be said. And it isn't always jealousy from Kyle

when you're giving like this type of advice. And I don't know. I saw Kyle like exhausted and frustrated with like trying to just like be a friend. And like, and then to read, even with Andy was confrontational, just like completely like even when it was just like giving like, hey, do you just want to apologize for this? About what?

It was just like the defiance. a level of like delusion. Yeah. And then when she's like, I know people think that Kyle has the ability to get anyone exited off this show. And Erica's told me that. And Erica's like, I personally have told you that. And she's like, yes, you have.

And then Bose goes, well, then I would have been kicked off. I wouldn't be sitting here. And then Doreet's like, well, I know that she doesn't have that because I would have been kicked off years ago. And it's like, you just heard Beau say that under her breath. They're also saying this in front of Andy, who is the executive producer. And Andy's like, no. Yeah, no.

Yeah. Do you, so kind of going back to the Sierra Summerhouse conversation with, you know, when you get the entire internet on your side, it's kind of like easy to forget that these, you know, this impacts people's lives outside of the show, whatever. With Doreet, it's interesting. And I wonder if you guys think that like she has made her life so specifically focused on the show and how she presents on the show that it's kind of, you know what I mean?

She's forgotten the real world effects of it because she's so just like in this sauce of housewives. Yeah. And Kyle's kind of trying to just to be like, Doreet. This is like Kyle has obviously become excellent at compartmentalizing. Like housewives world. Yes and no.

Well, to a certain extent, she knows how to keep certain shit off the show, you know, that she doesn't want to be discussed. No, but Kyle, I think has health. the boundaries of not like there's this line of every reality TV star that has to try to like maintain is that like there's reality

TV and then there's like literal reality I think Kyle's done an excellent job of balancing that and still like having those boundaries and a lot of people on these shows don't it's very hard to do. Durit seems to be a perfect example. Lost in the sauce. Lost in the sauce. When they asked Kyle like oh if

Maricio were to date like one of your friends in eight years and she's like, yeah, I'd kill him. And Doreet's like, and would you talk bad about him publicly? And she's like, I mean, maybe. And she's like, oh, and you would talk bad about him publicly. And Kyle goes, oh, I see what you're doing. You're making this about you.

Got it. Got it. Sorry, our relationship is different than yours in P.K. Like, how many times does Kyle have to say, and for us to see it on screen, and for literally everyone in the world to be like, Maricio and Kyle, whatever they have going on, don't know. but publicly they seem to be aligned. Doreen and P.K., they're perpendicular. It's just so messy, and that's why I think,

I think Rachel Zoh, like, hit it exactly where she was like, you guys need a break because they were, like, friends for years and years, even Mauricio and P.K. So, like, they know the dynamics that the internet doesn't know. Well, Maricio just posted a picture with P.K. being like, I support you, buddy. Oh, he does. He did.

Yeah. On Instagram stories. Really leaning in. Obviously, still love those. We'll always love those. Bose had a sophomore slump this season. She needs to get hold of those flashbacks because I feel like every time she's like, I didn't say that.

She did. And I love Bose and I'm like, girl, you're getting caught in like. That's Justin and me having a conversation though. So many times they'll be like, when did I say that? And Justin's like, you said roll the tapes. I get what Bose is saying. She's like, I don't necessarily remember saying it. And so if you're asking me if I said that, my memory is, no, I didn't say.

That makes, makes total sense. I do not recall. But I think one of, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I closest friends in this in this group has been to read and i don't know if you're boz if you listen and you sit next to deri this reunion i i feel like you have to be like girl i can't i can't i might have to start talking to sutton strach now well right you know because boz always comes off is very just like grounded and makes sense and she's the voice of reason and like you can't be defending to read you know like when she was like she didn't though not not the reunion but like earlier this like

when she was going after kyle being like why didn't you show up for DeReed's event, you know, why don't, are you so celebrating her financial successes? That wasn't a financial success. Spending money to show, to the illusion of success. But again, like that, that party of that wasn't a financial success. She wrote a book. I don't know the most she made or it'll be released on June 2nd, 2026, but you can't buy it. So it's not. Free order. It was a success though. Yeah. How do you know it was a success? It wasn't a big cover. It wasn't a big cover. Because the book is going to release. Sure. But it doesn't mean it's a financial success. I mean a book deal. At best, she got like a 50,000, 60,000, I don't know, somewhere in the

ballpark, give her take $10,000, allegedly less than what she spent at Arames. Yeah. Or just the photo shoot for the book that didn't exist and then the party of the, it's just like, that's not a financial success. Maybe she's, maybe she's pulling in Amanda and investing in herself. She's manifesting her well. I just predict Bo's distancing herself from Dorita a little bit. I predict that as well. I have a question. for all you Beverly Hills and Joyers in the room. Who do you think

what are your stats coming out of this season? Who do you think was the best that you're looking forward to singing again? Really loved Erica this season. I loved her softness. I like because she, you know, even though when Erica is, you see that softer side,

you still see that ice queen deep inside. And I really, and I, I feel like an Erica. I feel like an Erica. I also, I do want to, like to shout out to the entire show because of this show got a lot of shit in the beginning.

From us included. No, not me? Justin. Justin's always been a loyal stand, but I, this ring union was awesome. I really enjoyed this ringing in. I enjoyed, I mean,

for all of us shitting under read, she really brought delusion, which is honestly, if we're not, if we're not going to get like a summer house scandal, just a pure delusion is like, it's so fun to watch. It's so easy to follow.

It's so easy to critique. It is honestly, thank you to read. Her quoting Sutton from a season ago was wild, and she said, you're not going to bow down to the, alter Kyle Richards and her being like, did I say that?

Yes, son, you famously said that. Nick, I've never agreed with something you've said more. We do need delusion. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought Beverly Hills really, really finished very, very strong. And I think we need to like just all of them, yeah. I think Natalie loved our girl, but she might not be a front of him back season.

No, where was she? Them being like, well, she's not here. Natalie? Now Kyle going, she said she wanted to jack off. No, that was, that was, yeah. I mean, she did, though. I met Kelsey Hilton at the Valtar party, too. And I was like, hey, Kathy, I just, I stopped and said, I'm a big fan and I've met her person.

She's like, that's great. Bye. No, I love Kathy. Every time I met her. She's, like, just in her own world and the best way possible. No, is the best way possible. Before we get to Rosie, who is in studio and coming on shortly, I just, we got Jack here, member of the household.

And we are not closely watching or following beyond the villa. But I have been paying attention. I, I've gotten to know. Jeremiah, I think he's a great guy. I follow him. And so loosely, adjacently, I am fed through the algorithm, the drama that's going on beyond the villa. And I, like, people are like, why is everyone so upset?

Why are people, why are people losing followers in the middle of the season? And how is Pepe so popular after what would normally be a scandal? And now you have Iris making a video, like, and Iris seems like in a really sweet and lovely person. I've seen Hannah like apologizing. Yeah. What is going? Hannah looks a little crazy in that episode.

Yeah, it's been really crazy. There are more people who lost followers from the last episode than there were who gained followers. That's crazy. And is this the episode where Hannah was like, and how do you feel now? To Grace? Or whatever when she stood up? To Grace and I'm not sure about that one. I can't answer that.

That's the viral clip. I can say, however, that in terms of, so with Iris and Hannah posting a poll or Hannah posted an apology, Iris posted like in a 11. 11 minute explanation. There's two parts to it. There's the mean girls part of it and there's the Pepe part of it. The mean girls part is pretty just, it's reality TV drama. There's like the main three quote unquote of like Iris Amaya and Hannah that they feel aren't being as welcoming to like the Casa girls of like Grayson and Coco and Bell Dasha. That one's more of like a classic just reality TV. Bel Dash is not a Casa girl. She's not, but she falls into that like. The one episode, she has a

dash in her name that's not real. Yes, exactly. And then the Pepe stuff, that's where it gets really weird. Because the show is presenting it as almost like a he said, she said, right? Of Pepe is basically saying, like, Iris is like, you cheated on me. And Pepe is like, well, you were cheating too. You were talking to TJ before we even connected, before we even broke up. Like, and Iris released this whole video to show like, hey, this isn't the he said, she said. I have all the evidence on this one. And she released texts, like for that one claim from Pepe, right? It's literally just her being like, hi, I'm going to go and see T.J.

Like, I want to make sure that you're okay with that. They talked. Yeah. And like literally just like having like a post-mortem like after the show. And then she's showing like hundreds of texts she got from girls that are like, Hey, Girlie, I just want to let you know like I saw Pepe hooking up with a girl in the bathroom of this club. The Hey Girlie DM.

So that part of it, it's just like, I mean, to me it's like why? I'm just always fascinating because we. cover all these shows, right? And every show I've learned more and more has a different fan base. And they react differently to different storylines. And like, what's crazy about this is like if this storyline

was happening and saying like Bachelor Nation or even Bravo, like it would be handled so much differently. And now you have fans like, again, Stan culture, using like follows is a way to like attack or reward the people you like or dislike in a way

that's like we have, we're losing our mind. Like, everyone needs to chill the fuck out online. My take on it is I think that they're basically just taking the other thing they're mad about, which is the mean girl accusations. I feel like they're taking that and then extending it to

the, and I bet she's lying about Pepe. So when she's making this video, it's really to be like, hey, that's its own thing that I can talk about, but on the Pepe front, like, I haven't said a lot. And where is Jeremiah getting because I see him getting constant heat? Is Jeremiah also a mean girl because

he's friends with them? They're lumping him into like the quote unquote mean girl click the issue people have pretty no because he's friends with the girl he's over friends with the boys yeah he probably feel like he's choosing the girls over the boys yeah when hannah is the clip that the mean girl clip that everybody's showing wait i thought it's 2026 i thought we we we stand a man who is like an ally to women and not just like one for the boys no but not if he's like being performative with the girls in a way that we think isn't great that's and you know what that's the key word is the moment that someone's doing something that you like but you don't like them. You just say, well, he's being performative.

Yeah. Well, we don't, we don't agree with the truth anymore. We don't agree with the people we like the most. Exactly. Yeah. So in Love Island terms, that's what that means. I just also think it's funny that, like, Pepe is becoming a victim of mean girl behavior when he's just a cheater. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, and then it's also, like, Iris doesn't want anything to do with Pepe on the show. Obviously. And then, like, Bell Dash is kind of, like, trying to bring him into the fold a little bit. And then Iris, like, And so Iris is a mean girl because she's trying to like set a boundary and protect her mental health to not like bring a guy who like hurt her and and that's mean. No crumbs. I don't think they're saying that she's a mean girl with Pepe.

I think that she's like her argument. She's a mean girl with the girls. Yeah. Yeah. Pepe is now a baby girl in this situation because she's been because we can use misogyny of how we feel about Iris and transfer that with Pepe. And then yeah. Well, I do credit to that cast because there's way more online discourse this season. of Beyond the Villain there ever was.

I mean, at their expense, like, it's not going to turn into followers. All I've seen from Hannah is, like, very confused by this editing. Like, she's like, I, like, they, like, what is, like, what is, I actually, like, don't know what's going on. Hannah looks like she's the only one giving, like, drama from the clips I've seen. Like, she's the one that's confronting people and, like, being outspoken. But for Hannah. I mean, Peacock has a toxicity problem in general.

Like, I mean, we didn't get too much into it, but, like, I think last week, the U.K. Traders announced a cast of, like, their celebrity traders. and like if you follow the UK celebrity, you have some like big, big, big names on that list. Bella Ramsey. Bella Ramsey. There's a, yeah, there's some huge names. Tom Hiddleston, who's a part of the Marvel universe,

used to date Taylor Swift, big, big star. He was like, I was going to be on it, but I couldn't because like Tom Hidleston's on the cast of fucking the UK traders. And like, that's incredible. I do know that the United States version of this would love to go that direction. to level up and get some bigger names,

but they're never going to do it because this audience is so fucking toxic that if you're like, someone who's like, you know, I love this show, it'd be fun to do it, and you see the discourse that's online. It's just not fucking worth it. And I know this because I know the people at Peacock and Bravo have these conversations

about the toxicity of their audience and how it almost like, like beyond the villa. It's just like at some point when you have this entire cast being like, yeah, we did it. But honestly, it wasn't fucking. worth it. I just got like a more mental health problems and I have literally less followers. What's the fucking point? You should have statement last season. Yeah. Like, you know, it is just like,

it's just, you know, we need to like. It's a fun silly dating show. Right? Like can't we just like watch it have some fun? Like why we're they're, you know, to sit there and unfollow and then like launch campaigns to unfollow people is like a love. It's just like what are you doing? They're going on an island to like make out and put like, you know, like soapy suds on each other and roll around in a bouncy house. Like, and I just want to go, he, he, he. Kind of sidebar about adjacent to this. Did you see that Instagram did a mass like bot deletion? It's like a ton of people.

Their followings also went down. Very interesting. Yeah, but I'm glad Instagram did that. I mean, like there's so many bots. People have bots that they didn't necessarily pay for. Maybe I'm sure some of them did. But like, it is something that is like. Some of y'all are about to look real silly out there.

Anyway. Well, before we get to Rosie, just a reminder that. That perfect match on Netflix launches on Wednesday. We will be interviewing most of the key people on perfect match. So it's a great season. It's a lot of fun. Ellie Louber of Bravo lore. Oh, and she's a star.

She's awesome. She really is a star. She really is awesome on the show. She's a star and she knows exactly what planets make her shine. No, it really is fun to see like a veteran reality TV maker come on and really show how it's done with some people who are like maybe, you know, have some experience. Like the experience that Allie Luber has being a member of the Vanderpump cast versus like say someone who was like on one season of love is blind. There is certainly a level of experience that is unmatched.

And Allie really shines. She's so herself. Which is so refreshing to see is like someone who doesn't feel performative or doesn't feel like they're like turning it up for the cameras. You just know that that's Allie and you're like, yeah. Yeah. She was also she was on Southern Hospitality briefly too. So it's like you just see her like jumping. from show to show but being her herself.

Yeah, love it. All right, up next. Rosie from Real Housewives of Rhode Island joins us to talk about the most recent episode, all the drama going on with the cast. We also will just want to get to know her a little bit better. We're super excited to have her, and she is up next in studio.

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Thank you. I'm excited. I've been watching you guys for a very long time. Oh, we're flattered. Yeah, I love it. Well, we have been watching you. Oh, God. Really enjoying you.

Really the entire cast, we've said this a million times. But, well, one, obviously, Ashley's a friend. So it's cool to see, you know, her be a part of this really amazing group. And it's just such a fun, you know, as reality TV fans to see a new housewife friend. take off the way it has. It is crazy, isn't it? Like, who saw this coming? I feel like people underestimated us by a lot.

Yeah, I think. Like Rhode Island. Yeah. Going in before it aired, were you and the women be like, I think we're going to be a hit? Or were you like, I don't really know. You're just, what was the feeling? I mean, I don't know if I didn't give this way.

But I remember probably week four or five and production on the ground was like, you guys better step it up. This isn't good enough. And so now I'm watching the first couple episodes. I'm like, what do you mean? People really like. It's like it only gets worse from here because like we were scared. So it's, it does.

It gets way better and or worse depending on like how you see it. But yeah, I was surprised. I kind of thought the first couple would be boring because we were kind of being told like we're so boring. But we're not boring. When was it ever boring? Yeah. It was never boring for me.

And now I'm learning like you guys remember I don't know reality TV. So I'm listening to producers and I come from a news world where producers like tell you stuff and you listen and now it's like, oh, I think that was like a scare tactic. Yeah. To keep, like, you know, doing a really good job. But at the time, it was more like cheerleading. Yeah, cheerleading. But me and Ashley will always say, you were being cheered on. Like the next, I don't do well with like negative reinforcement. Like me and Ashley always say, we're not like there for the Bill Belichick reinforcement. Oh, I see. That's a Jared reference. Yes. I want to be told like I'm doing so good. And I'm like, really. Okay. You want until you see this.

You want a player's coach. Yeah. Yeah. I want like a best friend. And have you found that? Well, Ashley's a very good friend mind and I love her and I love Alicia. We were voice memoing on the way over. Did you expect to go into this and have such an issue with Kelsey? Um, no, that one kind of threw me for a loop. I like, I don't necessarily know that they thought much about Kelsey before the show started. But I thought she would be like a nice girl, but obviously I was wrong about that. Were you the one who brought Ashley into this group? Yeah. How did that happen? Like my bad. Um, well, we just knew each other beforehand and, you know, they were looking for people and I think obviously she, she She's very famous and she's very good on TV. She didn't cry as much as she did on The Bachelor, though. I just caught up on all of that. Because I had never, I had known her as just like this girl in Rhode Island that had a coffee shop. And obviously we knew who she was or whatever, but I had never seen The Bachelor or Bachelor in Paradise. And I did just watch it.

You did a great job. You watched. You watched. Oh, I watched the whole day. That was my best work. Yeah, it was very good. I did fast forward through a lot. But you were in a lot of stuff with Jared, so I saw you.

I would fast forward until I saw Ashley and then I would turn it back on. But no. Why were you like, so you just went back to like study up on Ashley? Well, because we were already friends and like I already knew her, but we were seeing the trailers come out and stuff. And I was like, wow, they're focusing a lot on her crying. And I know that's what she's known for. So I kind of wanted to see it like in real time. And I did tell her about it.

No. She did with me a long time. Really? She really doesn't cry that much. But of course, like they're showing her love for makeup and they were showing like her crying and stuff. This rivalry that you and Kelsey seem to have. What do you think it's based? on. I don't think it's a rivalry. Well, whatever it is. You know what I mean? Like,

conflict. Who dislikes humor? Oh, I don't, I don't have a problem with her. I feel really bad for her. But I don't really have what you feel bad. We'll have to get into that. Well, because I think she has a lot to hide and I think she is a lot of things she's not telling the truth about. And the difference is, like, you can come at me and say whatever you want. But at the end of the day, I have a real husband and I have a real marriage and I have a real house that I'm building. I may be off about the square footage. sometimes, but I don't really understand square footage. And also, also, I didn't know what an HVAC was until like two weeks ago, you know?

I thought it was the vacuum in the wall. It doesn't make sense why it's called HVAC. It really doesn't. No, it's air conditioning. Right. And like, like, ventilation or something. But I was like, why are we spending $50,000 on a vacuum? Like, that seems unnecessary.

Yeah, I didn't know they put those there. But so, like, I have a really nice life and a really nice husband who I'm sometimes mean to, but, like, he's in love with me. And, you know, like, things are good. Every couple noise each other. Yeah. But like truly, I know, and I know my wife loves me and I feel that love and it's important that I feel that love. Yeah, for sure.

But I know that the things that annoy my wife about me, that list is. Really long. Very long. Endless, maybe. Honestly. And I know. Like, I just know. Like, there's like, you know, my love for Madonna.

I spun over the weekend. She's like, oh, we're spinning. Cool. Anyways. Well, it's like the socks on the ground. Whatever. Yeah. It's just a long list.

And I just don't have that same list for my wife. She just doesn't annoy me. Yeah. Like I know I annoy her. And I don't know if that's just like because us men at the end of the day, I don't care who you are, good husband, bad husband. I am not your most masculine man. But at the end of the day, I'm still a guy.

And I do dumb fucking shit. Yeah. Yeah. It makes our relationship work. Yeah. I think it's importantly, you got to marry a marriage. your best friend and like sometimes your best friend annoys you and that's okay yeah i mean there's certain i mean i don't really think i don't think there's a gender thing to it i think sometimes there are people

you love and they have their things that annoy you well again i would never annoy it so i never yeah exactly i know everybody else back to kelsey yeah um my favorite topic what what what remind me what the thing that you she's claiming she did press last week and she said so many things she accused you of not paying for a service that she provided right okay so like before we all got together over the summer. I didn't really know anyone other than Ashley and Alicia. And so I was trying to like come up with reasons to hang out with people. We had had like one event at Joellen's house and it was when I brought the cheap wine and it was like a big really big issue. And even though we were in sweatpants. I drink cheap wine all the time. I like cheap wine. It's good. Yeah. White girl wasted happens whether it's

$5 or $50. Well it was like I was bringing other things and I just grabbed it and I didn't think anything of it. And of course that was like the big thing. I've now come to accept that they're going to just say, stuff about everything about me. Yeah. And so it's, it's not that she whine. It's not how I actually dress. It's not, you know, my, it's just me. And so, like, they always have to have something. And, like, that's okay. It, like, hurts less every time. You know, like, okay. But so I was trying to, like, figure out ways to hang out with everyone. I know they had heard some things from people that, like, didn't end up making it on the show who were kind of bitter and whatever. And I was like, oh, like, this won't be a big deal. But in Rhode Island, there is this mentality of, I think we saw it in the trailer. Like, if we didn't know you in kindergarten, it's

problem. It's like very close-knit. So, you know, I had asked Liz to come to Rich's show a bunch of times. She'd done that. And I saw that Kelsey was cutting hair. She had just gotten this hair cutting certificate. I know plenty of other hairdressers. Like, I wasn't going there for the haircut. She had had it for 24 hours when I got my haircut. I was like, would you give me a haircut? That would be so great. That's pretty brave. I'm just trying to come up with reasons to like hang out, you know? Like, get a little trim, like whatever. Maybe a couple like long layers or something. And it was very kind of awkward. And I was just like, okay. And so at the end of it, I paid her. She was like, you don't have to pay me. And I was like, of course I'm going to pay you. You're starting a new business. You did a great job.

You know, here's a Venmo. I sent her some nice texts. I went to the supermarket and this lady was like, wow, your hair looks so good. And I was like, well, thank you so much, you know. Send her some nice texts. Thought nothing of it. That was February. Now we're on a boat in July. and I've never heard anything about this. And I'm getting yelled at that I didn't post a picture of the haircut. I was just like, what? And also, too, you know, we only have 48 minutes in every episode. So you didn't see a lot of the stuff that happened before that, like when she kept

trying to tell me my husband was gay and when she was telling me I was mentally ill. Or when she told me I was lying about like infertility issues, which are weird things to lie about and also like medical documentation. So by this point, I was very much like. you're just looking for a reason to have a problem with me. And so I said that on the boat and it does kind of seem that way. I made it very clear if she had asked me to take a picture or if she had taken a picture, if she had asked me to post, I obviously would have. This was by no means a collab where she reached out to me and wanted to do a collab. This was like, I'm trying to find a reason. You just want to get to

know her and be nice. I literally wanted to become friends. Like I was at, I wasn't thinking like, oh, I better post this so everybody knows we're hanging out. I wasn't thinking that at all. So I got to blow out in L.A. I've learned my lesson. I got a blah yesterday in L.A. And I was like, let's take a picture. Let's post whatever. I'm paying for it. I'm posting it. I don't care. Like, I'm going to do all the things. But like, I just didn't, you know.

Do you have that memo? Oh, of course. You'll see it at the reunion. Yeah. Okay. I like, look, like at the end of the day, you can say whatever you want, but you're going to have to answer for it. And like, one thing that bothered me that she said in her press store last week was she tried to go after Ashley and say, like, Ashley won't even DM her back.

I got a screen recording from Ashley and here's every time she's responded to a DM. Like, it's not like she responds to one and every three. She's responding to everyone. So you can keep saying whatever you want. Yeah. But the facts just don't back that up. And that seems to just be happening more and more.

You said that you thought there were things that Kelsey is, you know, trying to keep lying about or like keep hidden. What do you think those are? You know, I will say this. I was very confused all summer why she kept coming after me. And I really didn't understand it. I was like, are you really? Like, you're not trying to buy my house.

Like, why do you care about the square footage so much? Or like, okay, like, you don't even have a hair cutting page. I think she's posting it on her makeup page. Like, why do you care so much if I post this picture? It didn't make sense to me until I started watching. And I realized what she's saying about her life, where she's going with, like, this narrative. And then I was like, got it. That makes perfect sense to me why you'd accuse me of everything.

And I would just say, like, she's a master of projection. So I actually learned about last summer. She just wants your life. No, I don't think she wants my life. I don't think she's, and I actually feel bad that, you know, she's getting that online. And I feel bad for her in general that she feels the need to pretend that she has a life that she doesn't have. What do you think she's projecting? So before filming started, these girls were trying to say that I had like a notes app on that.

Okay. Of like all the dirt. Keep in mind, we're in Rhode Island. So if I go to the grocery store, you're going to get the dirt. Somebody's going to be like, you've got to be careful about this girl or that girl or whatever. And I would make jokes and be like, I'll put that in my notes. Like, I didn't think they were going to take that literally, but like apparently they did. But even if I did have a notes up, like she was clearly very afraid of something coming out.

Because if somebody said they had notes on me, I'd be like, okay, like, what are the notes? Like, I'm not worried about it. But she clearly was very worried. And so I think it was more so let me keep attacking her so that she can't say anything about me. Because the first day at the picnic, what did I do? I asked if she was a polygamist. Now, the real reason I asked that versus how it came off when the show is different. But it's the same issue, like at heart.

Yeah. Why did you ask it? Well, we're at a picnic and I'm saying like, Joellen, what are you got going on these days? You know? And she just immediately went into, well, Kelsey's going through a really hard time. And I was at Kelsey and she's going through a really hard time. And she's saying things that don't make sense with the reality of what we know Kelsey's life to be. Like suddenly you're breaking up with your boyfriend and having to move out of this house.

But you broke up with him two years ago. You moved out of this house two years ago. So like, what are you talking about? So I'm thinking, is she back in a relationship with this older man? Is she moving back into the house? Like, I didn't understand. But of course, then I'm getting screamed at for asking any questions. So that's very confusing.

So by the time I go to July 4th, I'm like, okay, like, are we just not talking about this? Clearly, like, she lives in the house and she's dating this guy. I mean, his kids don't seem to think she lives there. His ex-wife doesn't think she lives there. The neighbors on the street don't think she lives there. But we're going to say she lives there. Okay, fine. But then it's, oh, Rosie's backing down from a fight.

It was very confusing. That just kind of kept happening. And I think because she saw that I was going to ask questions about that, it was like, let's go into attack mode. And I'm going to attack her so she can't keep asking questions about me. Is there a rumor going around that she was actually broken up with this man long before the beginning of the show? Yeah. Is that true?

From what I know. And keep in mind, like, I only know this from the neighbors, the friends, the family members. Like, I don't. The whole community. Well, I mean, not everyone in Rhode Island. I know everybody loves to throw that around, but I do like to get reliable sources. And I mean, from what I'm hearing, they broke up over two years ago. She moved in with Billy. The new boyfriend were pretending she, like barely knows. The vest with no sleeves. Yes. And he's actually a very nice boy. But so I was under the impression she had moved out of this house two years ago and she was living with Billy and that she had broken up with this older man two years ago to be with Billy and that there was some overlap before that. And also, you know, I thought we were all aware that she had three jobs. She's a hairdresser. She does makeup, and she's like a manager at a building company in Cranston. She's on, she's still on the manager's website. Kelsey? She hustled. I mean, I would have liked to have seen that. But instead, we're told she's a lady of

leisure who's never worked. And so it was like, once I saw that watching it, I was like, oh, okay. So we're just like making this up. You know? I wish I had done that. You know? So that was where, like, all summer, I was like, what is happening? And people were telling me, oh, projection oh it's projection I didn't fully get it until I saw it and I was like that's it like that's what you're trying to hide it just makes perfect sense now so she came after my house she came after my husband she came after my career all the things I said on the show so she now is saying that they are broken up but he still is paying for everything which might actually be true I wouldn't put that past her but I don't know anything obviously about like their financial situation all I know is

she wasn't really living in the house and she wasn't really dating the older man. But I think that's a much better story to pitch than where she really lived. So is even really a polygamist? Well, I know when she was dating that older man, he has numerous girlfriends like across the country. Would that be polygamy or would that just be an open relationship? I think it would just be polyamorous. Polly. You know, I knew they had been dating for 10 years or something before they broke up.

So I was like, that's common law marriage, right? Like, is that polygamy? Like, I didn't want to be, like, offensive. But even Polar Amory isn't like an ongoing three-way relationship, not like you're part of one man's roster with the freedom to sleep with other people because he was also sleeping with other people? She told us over the summer she didn't have the freedom to do that. That was another interesting thing. You know, I mean, it's very confusing and I don't understand it. I just know that I don't think she's jealous of my life.

There may have been some jealousy that like I was given this opportunity and didn't have to lie and like we're the closest in age. But I think it's more so just it was like a defense. defense mechanism and I feel really bad that she had to do that. Like honestly, I lied about like little things. Like I said, it was like more Italian than I really was. And I was like, oh my God, they're going to find out and like hate me. And I told them they're like, we don't care about that. Like this is, you know, who cares?

Whereas having to lie about your whole life and like where you're living and who you're dating and what you do for work and trying to fit in to this thing when you don't really, I can see that being very stressful. How come, why do you feel like we had the pleasure of meeting and talking to Liz? and she seems to be pretty close with Kelsey. Oh, they're very close. But Liz also strikes me as someone who's like a no-bullshitter. I know.

It's very surprising. Kind of like, you know, straight shooter. Where do you think that disconnect is? Or why do you feel like Liz and Kelsey have hit it off so much the way they have? Well, Liz knows the truth. But it's like a protection thing. And I think I personally believe, based on conversations I've had with different cast members, some of which were involved with this,

that there was kind of a pact before filming started. And you'll see, I mean, we were at the mass dinner. and I'm getting a backhanded compliment and I'm trying to take it in stride and the three of them came at me. And that's not a normal reaction to what was going on, but it's because they agreed to have each other's back no matter what. And a lot of the times it did feel like three against one. You're talking about Kelsey, Liz, and Joellen, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Got it. And I think you'll see that kind of unravel as a season goes on. Copy, copy. But at its core, that's the situation. Have you heard the song Girl So Confusing by Lord and Charlie XEX? You should listen to it because I do think that maybe that could be where you got. It's so confusing sometime to be a girl. And I think that that might be what's happening between you and Kelsey.

Where do you land on all of the Joellen? I don't have a problem with Joellen. I feel really bad for Rula. I think she's going through a lot. I think also, like, for people watching that are so quick to judge her and like, oh, she's blaming the mistress, whatever. Like, obviously, you'll see me have conversations with her later in the season about that. But at its core, this affair happened in 2024. You know, like, she found out about this in December of 2024. So now we're talking about it.

It's June. It's July of 2025. She's been trying to forgive her husband for months. It's not like this is a new thing that she can't wrap her head around. So it's like she's trying to explain a way why it's still a topic, I think, more so than whether she's, like, not forgiving him or not. So this isn't happening while y'all are filming. So, you'll see stuff happen that is, like, crazy later this season. It's like, is it still going on? I don't know. I mean, him leaving the polo.

Yeah. Well, her version's very different from that. And he came back without his wedding ring. I don't think he ever wears his wedding ring. That's the part that I was like, he's like a, Foot surgeon. Like, surgeons never wear their wedding ring. I grew up with a doctor. Like, I know, you know what I mean? So I don't, that doesn't bother me as much as, I don't know, like, The video. The video. The video is like pretty alarming. Have you seen the video? Oh, I've seen it. And it's

burned into my brain forever. It's graphic. It's not graphic. It's just, I mean, you saw me in last night's episode and I literally said, like, how did Joellen get this video? And how did they orchestrate this? Because it's, it would be like, I don't know how much of the video I can like share, but it really was caught at the perfect moment in the perfect time. And she's like grabbing her butt, right? In a cul-de-sac. Yeah. And so I definitely believe there was at least an emotional affair going on. I think maybe to some extent it was like we want to manage the situation. He was trying to manage that because if you have, I don't know if you've seen what's going on now, but she's like, this mistress is like still going

hard on stuff. Using old pictures still like two years later, doing different things. She like showed up to a derby party that my friend was hosting. I was like telling everyone she's the mistress on Rory. And I was like, why are you doing that? Like, that's weird. But it's very much like an ongoing thing. But the video was, I mean, it had like the- Will we get a chance to see it?

I don't know if they're legally allowed to show it. But I will say, although we saw the, right, the beginning of it of like the car. You saw the part where, yeah, it was like just the timestamp on the car. I will say this. Like, as somebody that's had to, like, kind of sit out and like, not necessarily do, like, sting operations, but you're waiting for somebody to show up to interview them or to do whatever. It was very interesting that her friend just happened to be in the neighborhood in this cul-de-sac and just happened to be parked in the perfect spot and just happened to have the phone recording,

to look at the date, to look up, to do whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if the mistress was in on it. And if she was like, I'm going to call this guy up and he's going to come over and you have your camera ready. But I don't know. Like, you know, it's... I mean, she was told to get proof. get proof and so she did.

And also it looked like, very quickly. It looked like it was filmed from the passenger seat. Like it looked like she was filming it from the passenger seat. So I wonder if. I don't know. I think it was the main. Was it? I mean, it's been a while since I've seen it.

I also remember thinking, is this a love affair or like you're consoling her? I don't know. It's just, it's fair. I mean, look, Brian, like, has fucked up a lot. Like, this isn't breaking news by any means, but I do wonder how much of it was staged by people that wanted to prove their point and how much of it was real. Rula obviously seems to think it's all fake. Joellen thinks it's all real.

I feel like maybe it's a little bit in the middle. Yeah, but how does she, what do you mean all fake? Like if it's all fake. Or all from 2000. Right. Like all from the, because the affair was going on, I think most of 2024. So let's say the mistress had pictures from that summer. Was she reusing them and making it look like they were this summer?

Like, we don't know. Okay. All I know is that rule is try to make it work with Brian. And like I saw them a couple weeks ago and they seem very in love. So the show airing hasn't like affected. I guess not. Okay. That's good. Maybe they're not watching it. I try not to watch it sometimes too. Hmm. So I get that. Well, it's a really good show. Okay. That's what I hear. Yeah. Where do you stand with Joelle in these days? Me and Joelle and are fine. I thought we were actually like becoming really good friends and I saw everything she said in the after show and then on the red carpet and then like in her press and then. Can you remind me? It was a lot of just like I'm not. that's just the tackiest person ever and just... How so?

Because I like to dress like this. And I like to be cute. You look cute. Thank you. But we're also in L.A. We're not in Rhode Island where it's like you have to be a serious girl. What's the Rhode Island aesthetic? I mean, I guess it's like a little nautical chic. There's also like a lot of leopard print.

I wouldn't, I don't know. I never walked around thinking like, wow, you're a little too over the top. Like maybe sometimes. But I kind of liked it. At least my view, I'm not from Rhode Island. but like it seems like a bit over the top. No. I would say it's pretty normal.

Yeah? Like very just New England. Like some people are preppy. Some people are, you know, whatever. But even then I'm like, I don't have a problem with Joan. If she wants, I need to be the butt of her joke. Like, that's fine. It doesn't make me want to like warm up to her more or like go out to lunch.

Have you met her mom? I have met her mom. Her mom goes to the same low dry place as me. And her mom's actually really nice. Her mom's very nice. It was her sister. Yeah. Okay.

I was caught off guard by. by her story about her mom. It was like, it was a tough watch because usually I'm pretty like, you know, parents are doing their best. Right. You know. No, I know.

I think you heard Joanne's story and you're like, Jesus, gross. Like, that's trauma. Yeah. And I think it also explains a lot. Like, she is her number one advocate. She's also very good at sales, which I don't mean that as an insult.

Joe Allen or her mom? Joe Allen. Okay. But like, she is a very good salesperson. And I think if you've been put in that situation numerous times as like a child slash teenager, you have to be able to advocate for yourself. Yeah, you're a survivor.

She survived some really terrible things. Right. And like she is, she does have like, and I'll tell her this to her face. Like she's like a dog with the bone. And anytime I say that, she says rough, rough. She knows it's true. And how do you mean that? Well, it's like she just can't let it go.

Like you don't have to prove it to the point where you're so right that like everyone else is dead. Like you can just be like, I know I'm right and that's cool. But she really, I mean, you're kind of seeing it with rule, although she's like being pretty nice about it. But rough rough. Rough. And that's, that's Joe Allen. So before you were a housewife, you were in the news.

Yes. Were you at anchor? So everybody on the internet says, I only did traffic. And that's not true. I did traffic when I, like, didn't want to be there anymore. I from 20, I started as an intern probably so like 2010 to 2023. I was working first in radio. Then I moved to news.

So for almost 10 years I was a news reporter, like full blown in the field. in the blizzard at the crime scene, at the shooting, whatever it was, I was doing that. And then after COVID, I wanted to move home. I was in Florida at the time. I wanted to move home. And the Rhode Island station had an opening for a traffic reporter and then a lifestyle show. And it was like such a cushiony job. Like you want me to just stay in studio and like joke about the traffic we don't really have and then like interview some people in the afternoon. So I did that for a couple of years. And then I quit that. And now I kind of just work for Rich's events company. I'm one of the DJs on the roster and I just kind of like you're a DJ I am a yeah just a little bit you're not like Kyle Cook or yeah they've already told me there's too many

DJs well I'm like not doing it for that reason who is they everyone the powers it be like there's too many DJs I'm like that's okay I saw Kyle Cook DJ for the first time is he good he's pretty good yeah yeah I mean it's not that hard to be a DJ I wouldn't know I don't I don't want to diminish the craft yeah no it's fun it's a great job to have the vibes reviving Yeah, it's very easy way to make money. It's fun. I do mostly gay weddings and like, you know, stuff like that. And now I'm here for Out Loud.

That's why I'm in L.A. and able to do this with you guys. Because we have Out Loud Music Festival in June, and I'm going to DJ the Six and the Seven. So that'll be fun. Beautiful. Yeah. Are you watching Summerhouse?

I am watching Summer House. Those are the shows I like. I like the Valley, like Summer House, and I like Southern Charmed. And just what's your general take on everything going on? Are you following the recent? So it's crazy to watch. just as a viewer. I actually was asking one of the higher apps the other day. I was like, did you

guys re-edit this? Like, once since the news came out and they told me now, I don't know if they can be trusted, but I'm like watching everything now. And I'm seeing Amanda's reactions to stuff. And I was like, they have to be re-editing this. Like, there's no way, right? Like, they have to be. And I don't think they are. I think it's actually just what happened. But it's, you see it differently once you realize what's happening now. Like, oh, this was going on then. Yeah. Did you see how Sierra outed Jen Fessler? Yeah, what do you guys think about that? Crazy.

She should have kept it in her group job. Yeah. For Sierra or for Jen Fassler? Sierra. Sierra. I mean, listen, Sierra, like... What does she care? Why is she protecting people anymore?

That's a good point. I think she... Listen, if I'm, if I'm Sierra's friend, I just think she's going to eventually be like, I didn't need to do that. Like, I don't know if it's true or untrue, but like at this point, Sierra already won. Yeah.

That's true. West, we don't think he is that guy anymore. Well, did we ever think he was that guy? He was doing this years ago, too. Potato potato. But for anyone who was a fan, it was a fan, you know, I think overall, everyone knows who's who. Right.

It's very clear. I think the Amanda of it all surprised everyone. Yeah. And it's just kind of like, you know, we literally can't keep up with Sierra successes right now. I mean, she is every day. She's crushing it. And it's just like you're still giving so much energy to this guy in a way.

And now you're kind of bringing in another family. And I don't know what Jen Fessler and her husband have going on. Who knows? It's just more like it just seemed a bit unnecessary. And I get it. I've been, Sierra. Yeah. I know where it's coming from.

You want to respond so bad. And it's always better just not to. What's been like the thing that you most want to respond to like correct fans? I mean, anytime somebody's like, well, she slept on the higher up, so she deserves all of this stuff. It's like, well, you're going to see the documentation at the reunion that that didn't happen. So I actually hadn't heard that rumor until I watched the show. I had only ever heard about this affair with the basketball coach I had never met.

And that was what was screamed at me a lot. But you had an affair with the basketball coach? Yeah, that's a whole thing. I've never met him. It's been four years, not one picture of surface. I actually emailed his team probably like 10 times over the course of the summer. And I was like, can you please release a statement saying we've never met? Because I don't know you.

And like, it's just, you know. Where's this coming from? So when I went on medical leave in, like, 2020, like the spring of 2023, I guess. And keep in mind, I don't know him. So this is just what I've heard and what I've pieced together. I've also not been able to find any of the police reports. I really, like, did a deep dive. But I guess he was having an affair with a student reporter at that college.

They get in a car crash. And for whatever reason, it was buried. Nobody ever knew. He's like a pretty big guy in Rhode Island, I guess. Then, of course, the rumors start in Rhode Island, and it started basketball coach, student reporter, car crash. Then I go on medical leave, and I guess because I was gone and there was all these vlogs like, where's Rosie, where is Rosie? Oh, they thought you were a student reporter? It turned into, well, I wasn't a student reporter, but it definitely turned into like basketball coach reporter car crash.

And then somehow it became basketball coach traffic reporter. That's why she's gone. Yeah. And so I actually thought it was like really funny. years ago when I heard about this or three or four years ago when I heard about it like who could ever believe that but it's I mean people are believing it then you go on housewives yeah and now it's screamed at me like every day um but I can promise we've never met and like I don't how I'm curious because like I think being on reality TV is is is hard and I think um fans don't fully appreciate

how much all of you give for our entertainment yeah but going into being a housewife what conversations you have with your husband about like you know what you guys were about to embark on and and we've seen you know like reality tv has ruined marriages yeah it just it just has and how do you guys go about making sure it doesn't well for one rich loves the show like rich is the show's a never one fan he is like on twitter like you wouldn't believe reading everything he'll like text me and be like okay it's like looking better for you it's like we're at like 70% and I'm like rich like stay me alone I'm not going on the internet um he like will text the producers to tell and like this was such a great at it. Like your choice in like minute 28-03. Like you did, you know,

he's like really into it. He loves all that stuff. So he had never seen any of these shows before. I think we were probably naive in the sense that, you know, I had been on the news for a million years. So other than like the random rumors you'd hear, I mean, there was also a rumor I had an affair with my gay co-host who was 50 years old who had been gay for 30 years before I joined the show. So I was like, this wasn't like an unusual thing. I just kind of didn't think much of it. Like they don't have anything on me. Yeah. I knew that. Like I can prove. anything that I say. I don't lie as like a general rule of thumb. I might be too brutally honest, but like I'm never going to just like straight up. So we kind of felt good. You know, he had been in radio for a really long time before he opened his events company. So we were like, we've done this before.

Like, what is there going to be? Whatever. He definitely was like, wow, you cry a lot more than I like, I thought you would. Before the show, he'd see me cry like one time. And then it was like every day I would cry. And he was like, what are we doing here? You know? But we're like great. Like, It's never going to be an issue of, like, I would say the home build was, like, very stressful. We didn't necessarily have any talks beforehand, but we have had to have talks during and after because he's like, you don't under a stay in construction. And, like, now, like, they're saying we're lying about it. We're not.

But it's like, well, if I had known they were going to attack me for this, I would have really studied up. And I would have known, like, every inch of, like, whatever. But I didn't think it was that big of a deal. And so now he's like, if you're asked about this, you say it's 5,000 square free products. I don't know, he's like very, so I have to say like certain things about that. And then obviously I would be like, can you hurry up with this? Like, I need to be able to reveal this thing. So people stop telling me like this or that.

But we're like good. You know, we also don't have kids. I don't know if we're going to have kids. That was like kind of an awkward conversation on the show. We did agree to like share a whole lives. So we're just kind of doing that. Okay. I'm very interested in you being like coming from news and stuff and going to housewives.

Yeah. Do you think that's like affected the way you like went into it? Yeah. I went into it with this mindset of like, I will never say anything that I can't prove. Like, I would never say anything on TV that I can't prove without it. Yeah, like, ethics. Like, I don't know. That's not the case on these shows.

Like, you can say whatever you want and then it's the other person's job to, like, panic and figure it out. That was a really hard thing to learn. So not great, obviously. But I still kind of stand by that I also like wasn't expecting there. And this is like so naive. But I wasn't expecting there to be like so much turmoil and so much drama. Like it was say the day we went on the slide was like the best day ever. Me and Ashley had the best time.

And like everyone else hated it. We were like, woo. Finally we're having fun. But yeah, it was super weird like coming from a news background. And I think I do have a more logical brain that tends to get me in trouble here. And there is just a lot of stuff. And there was a lot of stuff that's like it's not said, but you're supposed to understand. understand it and like I don't understand it.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like the unspoken rules of certain things. So I had to kind of learn that too and that was hard. Mm-hmm. Do you, have you felt more compelled to buy into like, you know, we see it on the valley, you know, like the most recent episode like Janet is out there like, you know, the

notes app thing where you're just like you're looking for shit on your peers. I mean, there's definitely people doing that, you know. I mean, I think it's pretty funny and maybe this is just projection again. But even this whole story of like there was a notes app and like I was digging for dirt and whatever. Well, don't you think after weeks of being screamed that if I really had anything juicy, I would have exposed them. Like the reality is every time I went to an event, I was attacked for something. So were they the ones with the notes app? Like I can promise you they've never been in my phone so they wouldn't know.

But it is kind of like projection again where it's like, oh, you're the victim of course. Like I had the notes up. I was the one with all the dirt. But every time it was like, she's not being an affair with this. person she's having an affair with this person this is a lie she's a lie her husband is guy like you name it it was thrown at me so was it the other way around like were you guys the ones with the notes up like i don't know despite all the drama well also congratulations you guys were announced a season two yeah like an hour ago isn't that crazy so thank you it would be weird if they didn't

it would be yeah it would be crazy but are you can we can we are you will be part of season two yeah like i i really don't know i think we'll go to the reunion and we'll figure it out. We're filming it pretty soon. And like... Are you excited? Do you feel like you have a lot to come in and say to defend yourself?

Like, what is your energy going into the reunion? I feel very comfortable going in because... I mean, look, I can be, like, sassy with the best of them. And I'll say, like, snarky things, whatever. But I've never accused someone of anything that I can't prove 100%, even, like, sitting here today. I could prove any of the stuff that I've said. Whereas they can't prove any of the stuff they've said about me.

And I have the documentation to back it up. So I'll just bring my receipts to their reunion. I have had to learn through this process that, like, I can't keep waiting for their approval or understanding because I'm going to bring everything and they're going to still tell me that I'm a liar and a loser and, like, whatever else. So I just have to kind of do it for myself and be like, okay, well, I've said my piece now and it's cool that you still hate me. Like, that's fun. Who do you feel hates you in this group?

Kelsey definitely hates me. At this point I don't even try with her Like when we go to group things I don't say hi Like it's not worth it Like I go up and I get like A face of disgust And it's just kind of like

Okay How many times am I supposed to do this Where you keep going up and saying hi And it's like rude So I don't even go up and say hi anymore And she doesn't come over to me I was with Liz a couple weeks ago For Fenway and it was like

I tried to give her a hug And it was like a corpse body And then it was like these weird noises Like she was dying You know And like we had to stand next to each other For a picture And it was like

I don't want to sit here. It was like this whole thing about like, I don't want to be. And it's like, okay, but like I get it. Your best friends with Kelsey. She is your best friend on the show. So, all right. I don't think Joellen hates me. I think, I mean, she's actually pretty nice about me on Watch What Happens Live last night from what I saw.

But she also does have loyalty to these two other people. Luckily for me, me and Alicia are very good friends. We talk every day. I mean, Ashley are very good friends. We talk every day almost. And I've actually formed somewhat of a friendship with rule. I really like her. I feel really bad for her, you know?

So I do have friends. Yeah, like I do have friends. It's hard, though, because other than Ashley's sticking up for me, like, later in the season, it was a lot of just like me versus these three girls. And they'll always have each other's back. And I'm just kind of left there to be like, all right. And that's why in the beginning you just kept seeing me kind of back down. Because it was very confusing.

I had never gotten the memo of the things that we were pretending about or that they were helping to cover up. And then I was like, oh, like, everybody's, like, just kind of upset. Like, it was very weird. Well, I hope that you stick around. And I also feel like to whatever you feel like this season didn't go the way you wanted or expected, this franchise does a great job of mixing it up. Yeah. And this packed.

Well, you know, like, for example, Beverly Hills Housewives, we were just talking about like, you know, Bose was like team to read. Right. You know, and maybe in less team to eat now. And I wouldn't be shocked if Bose is not team to read next season. Well, it's like sometimes, you know, like it's... Things change. Things change. Sometimes they say things that gets really hard to back up, you know?

Well, I mean, it was just a couple weeks ago at the red carpet that Joellen and Kelsey were laughing and saying how they tried to break me all summer. As if this was like so funny, like, yeah, we tried to break her. Like, ha-ha, which is a really weird thing to say about someone. But like on par for, you know, what I experienced. At least they're confirming that they did try to do that. But now it's kind of shifted to Kelsey's still doing that. but Joellen kind of being more neutral. And it's, I hope me and Joellen can't be friends because we were becoming friends over the fall.

And I thought we were fine. But I think, you know. Would you expect or need an apology from Joellen to move forward? No, I have accepted that like she likes to, she thinks it's really funny to just have these jobs. And a lot of them are really funny. Most of them are at my expense, which is like not ideal. But I jab at other people too. Like, junk in me, sorry about the sugar baby jokes I can make, you know.

I think that's what you just have to do with Jo Ellen, though. It's probably just, like, jab her back. I know. I don't really think that's my thing. I'm trying to make, like, genuine friendships. Yeah, fair enough. So. Do you have a good sugar baby joke you want to share?

Yeah. I have so many. If you want to be, like, in the moment, I'm not like a comedian like that. If something was happening, I'd be like, bing, you know? Yeah. But there's plenty we can do. But, yeah, like, we'll see. Like, I think it's going to be great.

They always tell us their casting, I think, to probably to scare us, which is, like, it is scary when they say that. but I'm just going to go into the reunion and see what happens. And if I don't want to come back, then I want. I'll go back to my nice life. You seem to have a pretty good, you know, attitude about it. Yeah, I have a lot of therapy. Okay.

Well, I've loved you on it. Thank you. Again, I think the whole cast is great. Have you guys seen episode eight yet? No. You're going to love me after episode eight. Is that sarcasm? No, I think you might actually, like, I'm being told it's very good.

Hell, yeah. So far, it's just like, you're going to. a lot of talking about you and we see moments of you, but we really, I don't think we've really, like now, just sitting here with you on this couch, there's obviously like a lot more to you. Yeah. And like you said, the way maybe you present or the way you talk in snippets, it's very easy to paint a picture in your head about anyone. Right, of course. You know, and I love to use my little Valley Girl voice and I love to be silly. Are you from the Valley? No, I'm from Massachusetts. I just want to be from the Valley. But you know. But you know.

you have your news anchor voice right well that's a very different voice i was like very deep and serious and i almost think that sometimes i like i've like reverted back because now that i'm not doing that i'm like i can be fun and i can be silly and maybe i take it too far sometimes what would be what would be a read that you could give a housewife and a news anchor voice if you had a teleprompter here i would do it like all day long i mean you kind of saw it right wasn't i doing it at the studio 54 party you were a bit rewarding live like that was crazy yeah yeah yeah It was pretty funny Well Rosie it's been so much fun

Thank you so much Is there anything we didn't get to ask you Or you want to put out there Or anything you want to discuss I don't think so I think we haven't You know what I'll leave here and be like Oh okay well you can always come back

Yeah I would love to come back We really enjoy you In the cast It's been fun to get to know you Thank you Come back anytime You're a friend of the show Anything you want to promote

Well, I do want to promote the Out Loud Music Festival in June. It's in West Hollywood. They still have tickets available. It's going to be such a great Pride weekend. You'll be DJing. I'll be DJing. And Countess LeWan will be there, lots of people. Pussy Cat dolls.

Abra Levine. Or no, wait, Ashley Simpson, my bad. Rosie, it's been so much fun. Thank you. This is great. Thank you to our guest, Rosie, and all of you for listening. We will see you back on Thursday. So we will see you then.

Bye-bye.