The Viall Files - E1129 - Ally Lewber and Alison from Perfect Match, Exploring Rulla and Brian, Kyle And Amanda's Photoshoot

Episode Date: May 20, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  It's Wednesday but we've got things to say! Joining us today are stars of Perfect Match, Ally Lewber and Alison Ogden. Hear all the tea about Jimmy P., Jimmy S., cuddling, and more! Meanwhile, we discuss extremely important events in the Bravosphere, mainly: this week's Real Housewives of Rhode Island episode and Kyle & Amanda's photoshoot for In The City. Can you take a picture with your ex? Can you wear moon boots as an adult? Is Rosie vs Kelsey a generational feud? We get into it! "You think people would blow up their reputation and they're not even getting paid?!" HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE?  Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content? Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Bilt: Join the membership for where you live at https://joinbilt.com/viall  Vivrelle: Go to www.vivrelle.com and apply for a membership today using referral code VIALL for your first month of membership FREE. Task Rabbit: Get $15 off your first task at https://taskrabbit.com or on the Taskrabbit app using promo code VIALL. Ladder App: If you have an iPhone, head to https://ladder.fit/viall and take a quick quiz to find your perfect Ladder plan. Use our link and get a free 7-day trial with NO credit card, and $10 off your first month if you join. Cash App: For a limited time, new Cash App customers can earn $10 if they use the code FAMILY10 in their profile at signup and send $5 to a friend within 14 days. To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles  Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 03:26 - Household Headlines 13:34 - RHORI 31:55 - Perfect Match 46:43 - Alison Joins 01:00:57 - Ally Joins 01:26:25 - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @allylewber @itsalisonogden @susiecevans @the_mare_bare @justinkaphillips

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another bonus episode of the Vothals Reality Recap Edition. I don't know why I said bonus. We're here all the time. But we're here today. Also, Nally, she's back. Everybody, round of applause. I thought I was going into labor yesterday, guys.

Don't worry. Baby's still intact. Still safe and sound. Still safe and sound. Susie is back in the studio because we got some more perfect match to digest, talk about, and get all into tomorrow. we got Sierra returning because obviously this is another summer house episode. That is going to grace other television sets. And Sierra, obviously, is a big summer house super fan.

We are going to have a lot to get into. We have a jam-packed episode, super jam-packed. As always, we have Allison from Perfect Match. We also have Allie Lubber from Perfect Match. And I know her last name because we've been following on Bravo for a long time. And she's absolutely fantastic this season. So very excited to talk with them both. And I hope you are as excited as we are for you to listen to all the things that are going

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All of it. I'm fascinated by anybody's perspective on clavicular. I don't follow that man, but he's just like a enigma. Like, how are we supporting this man? But also... Yeah, I mean, I agree. I think it's like hate watching because he's getting... There's so many views, but like, does he actually have supporters?

I know. Sadly know. I think he does in their young heads, which is crazy. It's problematic for people who are... And he's doing wild stuff too. Injecting people. Injecting people. people with stuff. I think he's like... O-Ding on camera.

Like, there's just a lot that I'm like, well, we'll talk about it on pop. We'll talk about him more on pop. We'll talk about him more on pop. We need more good male role models. Literally. Yeah.

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Oh, my God. The shots. We're cooking with some of the finest ingredients we've gotten in the Bravo kitchen in a while. No, I was like, this is so out of time. touch and I honestly at first I was like is this editing but then I was like no there was no cut when she looked at the from the opposite side of the table I was like there's no cut there this is real yeah like she knew she was

like this is weird it was wild it reminded me of like OG housewise where like you're watching conversations that you're like wow this you wouldn't think that people would bring this on TV even like Alicia when she was supposed to be the one to show the video and like her walking in there and not showing the video but then also being like I don't have the energy to I just couldn't be the one I feel like we haven't seen this kind of TV in a while. Yeah, these are just authentic women really, really live in their lives. And this is who they are. It's messy, messy, too.

I know. It's, I mean, it's awesome. It's really, really good. It is very interesting. We had the, in the city premiere last night, and Bravo Nation is just up in arms. They can't possibly comprehend the fact that Kyle and Amanda took a picture together. It's so weird. What's weird?

That they took a picture together or the Bravo fans are upset? that Bravo fans were upset. They were married. They've been together for 10 years. And you could tell even in the photos, like, Amanda is a beautiful woman. You could tell in those photos she had been crying all fucking day. Oh. Like, you could see it in her face.

She did not. She didn't. And then Kyle coming out and saying, like, I didn't even think she was going to show up. She didn't want to come. It's like, it all makes sense. And of course, they lean on each other. Yeah. But like the fact that so many fans are upset about it, those people, they're not your friends.

Those are the, like, you know, what's one of the most famous sayings out there? There's many, but there's a one. Misery loves company, you know? It's true. And reality TV fans love it even more. You know, like, they don't want anyone to move on. They want everyone to stay in their hatred, in their pain and anger. They don't want healing.

They just want, they want to burn it all to the fucking ground. And those people are just, they are not your friends. They don't want to see you move on because they're unwilling to move. move on themselves. But what's crazy is Wes Wilson's podcast got like nominated or won some sports award and everyone's like, woo, good job. That's crazy. But we're mad that Amanda took a photo with her ex-husband.

I also, I feel like we have to give credit to Kyle. Like, I feel like he's being really cool throughout all of this. Like, he could totally be throwing her under the bus. I mean, he better be cool after the way he treated her. I also didn't see people being mad at them being photographed together. I just think they were more like, oh my God, this is like one of the first times Amanda has done like a public appearance to the scale. And then they were also like, oh, Kyle is also taking the photo with them, but also they've been cordial throughout this whole divorce. Yeah, but I've seen a lot of people upset.

He made a statement. Yeah. He had to like go on and like defend his actions. It was crazy. I have a question though. Did you, I don't think we've discussed this. The fuck-ass Bob Whig that Amanda Batula was wearing out to dinner. the other day. What's that really her? How do we not know that was not like a themed birthday party?

Nobody else was in a way. Nobody else was a no one. What if they took theirs off? What if they're like, oh, mine's itchy. I'm going to put mine in my purse. She literally, no, she literally were the same wig that Ellie the elephant wore for her opening at Barclays Arena. Like it's a bomb. But if she was trying to be, like if she was trying to hide incognito, she wouldn't have sat in a booth facing the restaurant. She would have had her back to the restaurant. She would have like and not looked at anyone. If she didn't want this story to be out there, clearly it's not that. A total idiot.

Was it her? Was it for sure her? To be honest, don't care if it's her. I think it's something. I just wanted to be here. I want the story of Amanda Batula stepping out in New York City and an Edna Mode wig to be true. Here's my one take of why I tried to convince myself that it wasn't real. It's because I was like Amanda Batula,

despite everything else knows a good wig, I feel like. Or like, no fashion. And I feel like that was like a wig that I was like, she does not look like. They get dressed up every weekend and throw a party. They're wearing a wig every weekend during Summer House. They do a lot of words. She knows like at least to some extent to find a good one. Okay, but also like production might be helping like glam.

They got people helping them with those wigs on Summer House. They do not. They are in their room putting that shit together. Sierra's like taping her big boobies together. From what? We see from what we see, we don't know what's going on. There's no way they're bringing in glam jeans. I mean, we saw Amanda be like, happy birthday, Kyle.

I'm bringing you in a makeup artist to do your grandpa makeup. And that was like part of the storyline. I do think there is something to be said about the fact that, like, again, I think Kyle was probably not an awesome partner to Amanda. Right. But I do feel like Amanda was also mean to Kyle. And at some point, when did it all start? Whose fault was it?

I don't know. Probably both of theirs. Probably both, yeah. I do think it's, I think now, like, Amanda kind of has to be nice to Kyle. They're also divorced or it's separated. So like whatever expectations that Amanda had of Kyle, her husband, she probably ceased having them. And so she has no reason to be frustrated or angry.

And again, even if Amanda has ever reason to be frustrated at, Kyle. I'm just like there is something to be said about like you just at the end of day if you're not nice to your partners, they're eventually going to hate each other. Yeah. Well, and it does feel like now that they're separated, they are able to find that empathy for each other. And especially now that like Kyle can kind of be the hero a little bit. I am glad. I mean, I do feel like that is bare minimum. And I'm glad Kyle's doing it. And I think Kyle's an all right. I don't know him that well.

I've been able to talk to him recently a little bit. I think he's an interesting guy. And I think there's more to him than we've been able to see on our TV screen. But yeah, it is kind of interesting. I am glad he is not piling on. But I do think it's also like bare minimum. Like it would be kind of tacky if you would. We do have his statement or quote unquote statement after the Premier Mary, if you want to read it.

Yeah. So Kyle hopped on Instagram and said, guys, yes, Amanda and I took a picture together. I was just happy that she showed up. She almost didn't come to a show that she participated in. Shoot me. Shoot me. But don't call my life, my relationship, my marriage, and my implosion of a marriage fake. Guys, with all due respect, we're all adults here, and we all showed up to a premiere party.

And yes, Amanda did not want to come, and I convinced her to come, and we took a photo together, grow, the fact up. That's the thing. Fans are calling it fake. It's very summer. It should be fun. Okay. There's so much conspiracy theory with reality TV. Like even the stuff from the Temptation Island reunion, the comments on my page of people

being like, this is fake. These people are like these aren't real relationships. And I'm like, these are real. Yeah. Like people think the bachelor's fake all the time. I'm like, no, it's literally real. Like it's our real lives. But it's so weird that people think all this is staged.

I'm like, you think people would blow up their reputation for like a, they're not even getting paid. They're actually like getting, she's not getting paid for this, you know? I wonder what you guys think of this because it's like, think about like in real life when you have a crush on someone and you go crazy. Yeah. That on TV must be amplified. Amplified and insane. Yeah. Like what is that like, what is that do to your duty? You know what I mean? And like, in the way that like this stuff ends up after. You get into therapy. Yeah. I've been in therapy for three years. It'll set them back a couple years. I'm. emotionally, you know, they have to recalibrate their whole, like, nervous system, you know, like,

that, that is definitely a real thing, you know, like, usually when you're stuck on something or someone, you just have to kind of get rid of the friends, you know, because what happened, like, when you're upset about something, your heartbroken or whatever, you find your people that you can commiserate with who will listen to you, like, talk about it at nauseam over and over. many of those people who are off who that are willing to listen have their own shit you know so they like listening to your pain because like that's how humans work uh and to move on sometimes you have to distance yourself from that cohort of people right who like obsessively want to hear your obsession you have to break away or or you just have to find the friend who's like hey it's time to stop

talking about it but yeah it's hard because if your friend group is the internet and the fan base of people who like really honestly don't want you to move on, you know, until they're ready and they're, and you know, there's always someone not ready to move on. It's really impossible. I mean, there's people like years later who remind you of something that happened years ago on reality TV, you know?

It's a thing. Like Carlos King said, I mean, I think this is going to be like Tom Sanable. It's like still part, it's his legacy now. Amanda. It's like, right. It is, her whole job is on TV. You know, Summer House. in the city now.

And this is, it's going to be a tough, it's going to be a tough, uphill battle. So let her take a picture with her ex-husband. Like, damn. You guys are acting like,

that's a win. I saw it and I didn't question it. I was like, this is what people do on a cast at a premiere party, even if you're not friends or whatever, you just take the photo. I was like, it's press. Press, yeah.

I didn't think. Why is no one mad that Lindsay took a group photo with Amanda? You know? Yeah. It'd be more weird if Kyle and Amanda were standing near each other and people were like a picture together

and they're like, no. No, right? Like that video would go so viral and people would be like, there's beef or whatever. So it's like, of course they're going to take the photo. Was West there? I didn't see pictures of West.

Yeah, I was curious. He's not on the cast. He's a friend of. Is he even a friend of? He makes appearances. Any of special. That's going to be so great. And also it's a huge cast, right?

Also, we didn't even talk about CEO and entrepreneur, Danielle. Oh, yeah, she's pregnant. I did see that. Congrats Danielle's back. She's not part of the cast of In the City.

Why did she leave Summer House? She left. Was she fired? Was she busy with her company? I remember it being kind of like just the storylines didn't make sense. And I think she was like moving on.

Because remember she had her app that people were saying like it was. It was the Lindsay and Carl breakup and Sierra can chime in when we have her on next real to recap more. But what I remember is that she had the app and like beyond that there was more drama and it didn't really fit to have her.

But she's a genuine friend of Lindsay. So like, it makes more sense, honestly, for her to be on In the City than Summer House. Cool. Period. I like her. Yeah. I don't really know much about her.

I'm excited to get to know her on In The City. Well, Real Housewives of Rhode Island was on on Sunday. Another fantastic episode. I'm, like, are you guys team Rosie or team... I'm Team Rosie. I'm Team Rosie. I'm Team Rosie. She got those little moon boots, and I'm riding for her down.

I've also been, like, sitting on the... fact that Rosie said that Kelsey was already broken up with his man like months before and everybody knew. Yeah. Like I've been sitting on that like, just pondering on the idea of like, wow. Like imagine like filming the show and everybody knew. But then she's also coming for Rosie's. What is the, what are the streets saying?

Are the streets also team Rosie or is it mixed or? I think they're team. It's mixed. It seems like Kelsey has more allies in the group than Rosie. Rosie seems to only have Ashley. Yeah. The streets have been saying. and by the streets I mean like one tweet I saw

that the Rosie versus Kelsey feud is like a future generational housewife shoot that we're watching and I would love to know They're gonna come together and be best friends in two, three seasons from now but right now we need the feud to like make the friendship feel stronger.

It's giving, it's giving Vicky it's giving Tamara. It's giving Meredith and Lisa kind of. Were Meredith and Lisa enemies at the beginning? No, they actually, no, they started out as best friends actually. Best friends, then enemies and now best friends again. So as I'm saying, like, the switch between... She's a horse. She fucked half in New York.

Yeah. Because I've never had a true enemy become a friend. Like, I've had people around like, oh, the vibe isn't great. And then you become friends. But I've never had... I've never yelled. Well, first of, I've never yelled. But I'm like, I can't imagine, like, yelling, screaming at somebody the way these people do.

And then becoming besties. I've become... I've become... Trusting them ever again. I've become friends with people that I initially didn't. didn't really like. Yeah. But it was just because of like I had preconceived notions about them that were like false.

Yeah. And I had just judged them too quickly. Yeah. Never someone I genuinely have disliked for like good reason has ever won me over. I mean, Susie's right about like the whole housewife part though. Because like even Rula and Alicia, like I was also thinking, I was projecting into the future being like, okay, so Rula is going to be mad that Alicia didn't tell her that she had this video. Yeah. But at the same time was Alicia supposed to show her this video in front of her husband?

and like be a gotcha moment on camera You know like I was like playing out the storyline Yeah When Brian got a text And he immediately looks at camera And then gets up and is like I have to use the restroom And then he comes back and he's like

Sorry that was a work call He's like He's not even trying He's not even trying It's so obvious So do we think the work call was the mistress And we do we think it was the mistress being like They got you they're gonna like

They're gonna like outch you right now on camera I'm just like brother Cameras are rolling Like, do you not, you sign to release. That man is an orthopedic surgeon? Orthopedic or podiatrist? Foot doctor. Does he do feet?

Oh, yeah, podiatrist. Okay, not bones. That's still a doctor. He is a doctor, yeah, but. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what part, if he's a, something with feet. Yeah. He's like if Clinton Tarantino did it the smart way.

He's a podiatrist and foot surgeon. Yeah. So he, but then he said the front of his practices and aesthetics, where that does Botox and cells, all that kinds of stuff. But him, yeah, him being like, I'm trying all of them. I feel like I'm getting a little too fat. I do some olympic. I feel like I need some muscle.

I do some steroids. I feel like I need. I'm like, oh. He's a housewife himself. I know. It is crazy that he's like Italian. Give him a clam. You know?

He's Italian vaccine. Well, we had dinner with Terry Debrough not too long ago and he was, it was a fascinating conversation. I love Terry Debrough. I know. I'm like, I'm so obsessed with him. He's so cool. But they do get a front row seat on all the,

all the tea, all the medical tea, really. Yeah. He's also just a dad, like a good dad. You talk to him and you're like, oh. Terry. Yeah. I feel like he could like, doctor. And they also had twins.

But anyways, this doc foot doctor was talking about secretly serving, overserving his now wife. Yeah. That was weird as fuck. Yeah. Our first date, I gave her a double and I had a single. And then from then on, I kept giving her doubles.

I kept giving her doubles. And like, whatever you're trying to say? I really, he's not old enough to be in that generation, but I think there's a generation of people that thought that would be like a really funny joke. Like, for sure. Like older, older generations. Yeah, but I feel like he's. It ain't me.

He's not us. But I'm like, he's in that, he fits into that, but he's not old enough to. The only problem is I don't think he was joking. No. I think he was storytelling. Yeah, me too. Yeah. No, he was being dead serious.

He reminds me of this guy when I was 15. I got a job busing at this restaurant and it was like this old like diner and this guy, the first customer I ever served was this like old old man and he like comes up and he's sitting at the table and he like grabs my waist and go hey, Tuts, give me a Tito's. Oh, not that.

And I was just like, I'm 15, bro. Like I can't even serve that. I can't even serve. They won't let me because they would have to pay me more. Yeah. Like, what do you want for me? But it's like that's the way these guys just like go about their life and they just have no sort of like.

I was just like. I would have called the cop. I went, I'm 15. And then he was like, I was like, I'm 15. I can't get that for you. And then I had the waitress go over and I was like, he's being weird. And she was like, you have a lot to learn. Oh, yeah.

Welcome to the service industry. Welcome to the service industry. Yeah. But it's just like, but that's so normal. Like, honestly, like, it's just the way women get treated by like this type of guy that like Brian is. And like, it's just gross and stop doing that. Yeah. It's a type of guy.

That's a good way. Yeah, it's a type of person. I imagine he, there's no way. his practice is thriving after his stint on reality television. I mean, like, I didn't, I just don't know. I guess I was caught up in the other drama, but I didn't realize he was a doctor. And I am just like, I couldn't imagine if I was a patient of his

and then saw this episode. And I'd just been like, you know, I'm just going to, I don't know. I just don't know. My foot would be okay. His business is for sure probably popping off. Like, even like when Rosie came on her show, she was like, the mistress is going to events and like, that she's the mistress of the show.

And, like, I think, like, he, I think when you're, these businesses, when you're on a, like, a small city or whatever, and, like, it's a big show that everybody knows is a big show. Like, I think a ton of wives are probably now going. Yeah. To, like, him to be like, oh, I went to the husband's practice of Rula, you know. Yeah. Curiosity overrides a lot of moral, like, compass. Or to be, like, now they're all going to say, like, I was kind of attached to the show. Right.

Exactly. Speaking of moral compasses, did you guys see Kelsey having her ex-sugar daddy still pay for her rent health and car insurance as she moves out? Justin, as someone who's moving right now, does this resonate with you? I mean, where's the complaint? But we would all do it. We would all do it for the free run. Here's what I do agree with is that she's like, we didn't get married, but she's like, if I've been with him for 10 years, if we were married, I would be entitled to something. I do kind of agree with that.

That's crazy. Because she was in for 10 years. Because I mean if she, if, I think there was an arrangement. That's how I feel. Like, I feel like there was an arrangement. Yeah, absolutely right. To pay your bills and you don't have to do anything. Nothing in this world is free.

I think, I agree with the fact that you say this is not free because she's now 30 years old. She has no career. It's not free. Yeah. She has sacrificed her 20s and dating somebody that actually wants to create a future with her. Like, I know what it's like to be starting over. at 30 and how daunting that is. And that's somebody with a career.

That's somebody who's been ambitious, who knows how to pay my bills, knows how to do everything. She's like a baby at 30. That doesn't know how to do anything. So it's not, like, I'm like, that's not free. That's a price to pay.

That's a good point because she already did, like she sacrificed her ability to become independent for it. So he kind of owes her to then give her that footing. Exactly. I agree. And most importantly, like, say what you want. I don't care what he's telling or not.

But like that, the power dynamic. In a relationship where you are, you are like, you can't literally afford to have them tell you no. Right. Your existence completely shifts. Your universe is flipped upside down simply by them changing their mind. And whether they like exercise that power or not, like, that's not a fun position to be in. It's a very powerless position to be in. And then imagine how that is projected onto the rest of her life.

You know what I'm saying? For someone to have so much control and power over her, she's going to have to find that in other aspects of her life. There's a cost. This actually poses a very important question, which is, do sugar babies qualify for alimony? Well, if we're giving it a job title.

Should sugar babies qualify for alimony? Is this a sugar baby that was long term or a sugar baby that just did a little bit short term? This is a sugar baby that, This is a sugar baby that has been with you, like Susie said, like our girl Kelsey. Like she's really just like been holding the house down, holding the fort down for like a good amount of time. Right. And she wasted. Yeah, she was in her 20s.

She was with this guy. She was holding a house down. She was making sure that the butler like knew that she didn't like having stuff in her lemons. Yeah. Right. If she can argue that she, that her services provided a value, like my wife has substantially improved the quality of my life in every measurable way. I've said this over and over, you know, like I felt like I was pretty successful before

I met her. And now more, I have more. I have more of everything. And that is a direct result of her wonderful. And everything she brings in. She's earned that shit. You know what I'm saying? like she is you know Kyle

Richard she earned that shit she was there she was pumping that man up she was making him feel confident when he had no confidence that shit definitely matters but then there are marriages where it's like what do you what do you say you do here what do you do what do you know so I don't know it sounds like it sounds like he and her

had a good partnership I will say like he seems like a kind person to be continuing to help her and it sounds like she agreed to a wild arrangement for 10 years of her life and I'll say this though if If at any point during that arrangement, she was being funny,

like she was being funny with Rosie by showing up in a fucking megaphone with the house police. Right. If then fired. Do you think Kelsey really thought that was funny? Or do you think that she was like, I'm about to start a scene?

It was mean. It was fucked up. I think that's something a mean girl would think is funny. Yes. There you go. You know? And so on the unaware of and then to realize, oh, this isn't funny and not be like, I'm so sorry. Like, mean girl.

By the way, the level of Dulu, like, we've all had those friends where like they do something intentionally to like make you mad. But then know that the second you get mad, they'd be like, well, it was a joke. Like, it was just a joke. It was just a joke. Why are you crying? Don't cry. You look stupid. And it's like you were trying to hurt me.

And what was in her suitcase? Was that all her hair products? I think so, right? She was coming over to do her hair? Oh, yeah. She was. Yeah. As someone who's gotten the occasional

At-home haircut, they bring a small roller bag like that. You need the tools, you need the product. I believe that how she was doing. I just, it was you know, she was like, take your suitcase and get out of my house. And I was like, oh, Rosie got very physical.

Rosie did come prepared. She can't prepare, though, with those bootprints. I was impressed. The whole thing was wild. Both of them did not want the haircut. Why did Joe Ellen hate Rosie? because is it mostly based off because she's friends with Kelsey and Joellen has made it very clear that which I give credit she's a loyal she's like

Joelle and is friends with Kelsey therefore she does not like Rosie is that what you're asking I'm asking is that the reason yeah honestly that that is a good enough reason for me I don't remember no no no it was there was something with Rosie going over to like this one like party and she bought the cheap wine and then Joellen was mean to her because of the I think Joelle and Loki was just kind of a bitch and then Rosie was like do you hate me and then Joellen was like, I don't really care about you. I don't really know you that well. And then also Joelon's tighter with Kelsey.

So I don't think there's any like huge beef between them. But I do think that they just like generally maybe don't match up. But I do see them becoming allies in the future once Joellen eventually turns on Kelsey. You know? I can see that. What was crazy was Rosie shutting the door on Kelsey, throwing her bag out, shutting the door. And then a producer then opening up the door for Kelsey to come back in. So did we see the producer open up the door?

Did I miss that? And she was just standing in an open door. Yeah. I think they just cut that part out. Okay. Yeah. I personally, as a former like pageant girl, I guess you would say, I thought that was so funny for her to come back in and yell. And just so you know, I did win Miss Rhode Island USA by myself, which I just thought it was so iconic and funny.

I was like, this is what people imagine pageant life is like. And I have to say, like, they are the few and far between. There's not a lot of that I was glad she opened the door Susie do you have your trophies Yeah You do I actually I do yeah I've got well I don't have trophies

I have my crown and sash yeah And are they displayed prominently You know what They haven't been until this year I like set up a home office and I did put it In my home office yeah But I've always just had them in a box But I was like you know what it's kind of

A lot of my Miss USA sisters have them Like the crown out or whatever The shadow box And I was like oh it's kind of cute like I shied away from ever talking about it for so long because I was like there's such a stigma but I was like you know what it was a big part of my life Have you ever ever asked you if you've seen drop dead gorgeous

You haven't and I haven't Oh my god one of the best movies ever Natalie you're a drop dead gorgeous enjoy Oh my god of course I am when we had Denise Richards on I was like Denise we've got to talk about drop dead gorgeous And she was like that movie could never be made today And I was like you are right What about miscingenality? I was raised on that

Anybody that's associated with any form of like This USA Universe, state, whatever. Eat them up. I eat them up. That's what got me into it. Like, I feel like I was the, the Sandra Bullock character. You're a spy in my head just so you know. No, I do jiu-jitsu, you guys.

Come on. Like, I could kill people with my hands. You're doing a little. Are you a black belt, too? Yeah. No, I'm just a blue belt, you know, lower in the ranks. But I could definitely kill somebody. That's pretty cool.

That's pretty cool that you could kill someone. Yeah. Yeah. How easy do you think it would be for you to do that? Like, I hate to say this, but like, you? probably like you're little you know what I mean I'm like I got you I've saved a few people like I don't talk about it a lot but I've saved a few people like I'm like I'm a guy's worst nightmare in a bar fight I'm like let me help like I've jumped on a guy's back and like I once pulled a guy out of a pit like I was like on an upper level and he was getting like punched and I scooped underneath of his armpits and pulled him out and did you get hit in the process you're like a claw machine wow yeah I was like a Claw machine. Human claw machine.

And then I was like, oh my God, am I going to be a target later tonight? But I don't think anyone suspected me because I'm just a girl, you know? Yeah. I just scooped him out of there. Susie, why I feel like you're starting over? Yeah, I feel like I have, I've, you know, gone through breakups and stuff. Not like in this exact moment, but like, you know. So you just like relationship buzz.

Yeah, that career also like pivots and. Sure. Yeah. I'm like constantly contemplating like restarting over too. I'm like, do I just move? Like, I just... Do you see it less as... Do you see it more as like a restart

or like an evolution? Next chapter. I guess like an evolution but sometimes I think to start that like... Or to evolve, you like need a reset. Maybe it's both. It's kind of like how Pokemon work.

Yeah, I guess so. They do like the little fire thing. Yeah, they evolve. But there's like a moment they do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, of course, just like a Pokemon. Hey, it's a good metaphor

You're just on your journey I'm just a little Pokemon I can't wait for the memoir Sues Can't wait It'll be years from now You know But it's gonna be filled with some juicy stuff By now it will be

Yeah, some bar fights And Well hopefully you have a long way to go I never really understood the memoirs In the 30s Yeah I'm not doing anything else great Or is this done? Am I over?

That's actually, you know That is an interesting And interesting point How old do you think you have to be to write a memoir. On death store. 60 plus. 60 plus.

I mean, I guess, you know, you could write about a specific, you know, like a lot of Bachelor memoirs or specific about, it's like their tell-alls, right? I guess, sure. But that, again, there's the implication that I am not going to do anything better than this. So strike while they iron's hot. Is that the implication of a memoir? I feel like a memoir to me is more about like you're telling a story up into a specific, like from where you are at your life.

life at that point. Sure. Can you do up until that? How many memoirs can you do? Can you do a prequel? Can you have three memoirs? Can you do it? I mean, I think you can kind of do whatever you want.

Of course. Some people have like. Amanda Petula is doing whatever she wants and people, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I also think like some people go through things younger in life that are really like really hard and they overcome a challenge like a disability or something. Like Malala, for example.

Totally. Makes sense. Makes sense. Yeah. Young. I read her book. Really? Great.

I read it in high school. Love. Yeah. Or then like Tina Faye wrote a book when she was in her 40s. Like, you know. Emily Radikowski also wrote a book about her like life growing up modeling. I mean, very good. So I guess.

And those, the three women who have ever existed, Malala, Tina Faye, Emily Radikowski. All right. Well, pivoting to perfect. match more than anything, really just a PSA, the sun is hot. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a little more intense in Mexico. The sun is not the sun, as they say.

I didn't notice anyone with Severe. McKenzie specifically, like I just can't imagine she went on the show to like make out with people, but she's burnt so she can't really move. Yeah. Like you see her sitting and like trying to kiss Dave, but it's like, I'm just shocked that someone would make such a rookie mistake on television their second time. Well, she was on squid games before, right? So she was inside. That's fair. That's so fair.

No, inside the outside is important. Maybe she hasn't been outside in a while. This is falling on, I mean, was there a basket of sun products placed in their room? Exactly. That's always my question. How intense are they being about it? Bachelor in Paradise was full of sunscreen. Was it, Susie?

For the moment I was there, I think I do remember seeing a bottle or two. So are they trying to get you guys to? Are they actively encouraging you? They just want, like, drama in your life, not, like, not, like, not, they were definitely, like, where suns. That's, you know, I, again, can't speak for every TV producer or production company out there, but the bachelor people were very, that's not the drama they were trying to get. Don't ruin your spray tan, you know.

Well, I mean, like, again, I guess if, if you casted someone and they showed up boring and, and all they got you, all they gave you was a sunburn, I guess, that's a little funny, but that's not good TV, like someone who's just like basically sick or not feeling well, you know, and not their best self. Like that's not that's not good producing. That's lazy. And then sun tans don't protect you from sunburns, right? Like it's just color. Like spray tans.

Right. No, there's no sun protection from it. Nope. Yeah. It's just dead skin, right? It's just cooked skin. A spray tan? A spray tan.

A spray tan. Oh, I mean a tanned. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, spray tans don't do any. What about a tan? Like a tan tan. I think that's controversial. Like people say.

that, but I actually don't know that it's true. Because you're exposing yourself to the UV to get the tan. Yeah, well, basically what's had, it's like, tan tan, it's like, every time you're tan your body a lot of the times, it's like, that's like dead skin cells on top. So it's like you kind of have, I'm not a scientist. I'm just from Florida. You have like, you know, a lot of like that kind of like dead skin building up. And so it takes a little bit more to like go through. But then you're, you know what I mean?

By the way, the tan itself is physical evidence that your skin has already been damaged by UV. Yeah. We have turned into a. dermatology clinic. Wait, this is interesting. It says tanning is the body's defense mechanism signaling that skin cells are injured and producing extra melanin to prevent further harm. So it kind of does the question.

It's trying to, yeah. Okay. So Jimmy and Allie. So a lot of people are kind of weirded out by their relationship. I kind of was stuck on the idea that Jimmy was like, she's a weirdo until he saw her kissing Dave. Why are they weirded out? Because it's Allie from Van der Kemp and Jimmy from.

They don't understand her humor. I just don't like I say this like I love Allie Like she's my favorite part of the show She's not that weird She's kind of like a normal Just like like normal like girl who's a person And I feel like when somebody who's just a normal person

Goes on these reality TV shows sometimes They're like she's so weird She has a little goof to her That's not and I'm like Which is like that's it guys love like she's so cute When she like kicked her feet I was like wait I love you too I want to marry you

She's just being herself I love Ali but her and the plug going Jimmy or every two seconds Jimmy Yeah And he's like Yeah I love it though

She's like a cuddle I yeah Oh when she said what are you doing And she like pulled him into the couple Yeah Okay this poses a question for me though You brought up how Jimmy wasn't that into her

Until he saw her kissing somebody else Then same thing with her She was like Wanting to stay open Wanting to stay open And then She lost her options She lost her options

And then she's like I don't want to be open anymore I want to lock it down And the question is Do you have to be open? be a little toxic to create interest or do you have to play games or is this just a TV show? Because I don't know what's reality and what's what's reality TV and what's reality anymore. You know, it's all the same.

You know, reality TV is real. Of course, I think everyone has to play games for sure. You don't think so? I think you might have. Well, I'm really bad at games. If you're asking Jimmy, Jimmy said this perfect match is a game and he's going to win. But outside it in the real world, I think you do unfortunately. You know what I think it is?

You know what I'm thinking out loud here, off the cuff here. I could be completely. Okay, let's hear it. I, you know, I talk so much about, like, you know, we, like, like a deep relationship, you build an emotional connection, right? Like, right? Like, when people eventually say, I love you and they have kids together and a family. Like, at this stage in our relationship, Nali and I have, like, so many shared memories

and, like, you know, she is ingrained into my life to, like, rip that away from me would be literally devastating. You know what I'm saying? Like, it would be more than just, like, I don't like you anymore and moving on. And I think early on, when we don't have that emotional connection, I think the game playing is a way that we almost kind of manufacture, like, caring in a way that we don't have the history to care about. Hmm.

You know? Interesting. Thoughts, feelings, concerns. Well, the game playing is like you're baiting them to then assign value to their reaction to what it is, right? That's what I think. It's kind of Pavlov's dog in that way because it's like you're basically, I mean, that's what.

I love you. I just love you. I'm like, that's such a great. Yeah, it's Pavlov's dog. because it's like you want someone to be, you're going to text them, right? You're going to text them something fun. You ring the bell.

Yeah, you're going to give them a dopamine hit. Well, sometimes you just like don't know how you're going to feel when they don't like want to hang out with you or text you back or going to date with someone else. The problem with it being Pavlov's dog so is that you're also training yourself. Yes, absolutely. Because now you're the one, like, if you ring the bell and they don't respond, then you're like, and then sometimes you really thought you really thought you ate down with that dog training

and you're like, wait, I don't think this dog. I'm the dog. Well, Susie brought this up when we were talking to open the show. Because she was like, oh, did Natalie have to, is that what you, Natalie did with you? And everyone's heard the story or told the story many times how Natalie, like, was like, I'm going to just date other people. Obviously, that was upsetting to me. But you know, it's part of the story that we never really told that I think really matters in our story? Oh, my gosh.

Please tell us what? I bought my first house. Before or after? Dun, dun, done, da. Right around this time when Nali was like trying to lock it down and I was like, I just don't think I can do it. And she was also like kind of like, all right, well, I'm tired of asking. I had been looking for buying, I had been looking to buy a house for a few months. You know, I was in the buying house process.

And I was getting really close. And I was like looking at houses and like sending them to Nali asking what she thought, which was probably weird for her. Because I was looking for a opinion. Oh, my. Oh my gosh, Nick, you did not. But, but also I was like, but, but I cared about her opinion. It was like me, like, it was like a, I would just, I felt so. She's the one you wanted to, she's like the really the only one you like wanted.

Yeah. And I felt. And I also just felt so lonely because like, this was like literally in the heat of her being like, you don't want to date me. I'm annoyed at you. And I just felt so lonely. I'm like, I'm buying a house. I got no one to share it with. Like, like it was like, like, it was.

Like it was an empty feeling buying my first house without like anyone to share a house with. It's one thing to have an apartment. But I was like I feel like me buying my first house really like made me. I think every other every other opportunity or chance for a relationship, it was easy for me to talk myself out of it. And I think me buying a house, we're like, what are you doing? Why are we here? But it also like was. What's going on?

It would have been a great bachelor pad. Yeah. Yeah, that would have been old. Like, yeah, sure. You know, pool, hot tub. It would have been, it would have been fine, but like, it would have got real old, real sad. Question. It always does.

When you bought that, was it that, like, was it just that feeling of loneliness? Or was there a thing of like, man, I could see, like, Natalie in here? Yeah, that's what I'm kind of feeling. You told me that. It's one thing. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I really could. He told me, I'm looking at these houses picturing you in them with me.

And I was like, bitch, you don't want to date me. I was going to say, yeah. No, get out of here. Natalie, I need to hear your side of this story. I had just started therapy. I was in the process of like really just working through my feelings. And listen, had I not, have we not gotten together? That would have been like Nali like, Nali would have been on fucking TikTok talking head.

Like I dated this motherfucker guy. I think he was the bachelor once. And this motherfucker's head, he got a picture. You would have been Chris from. Oh my God. Chris giving a little Louis Vuitton. Oh, you kind of. You gave her a house.

Yeah, a big gift. A big gift. Wait, Natalie, when he was sending you these houses, what was your thought? Were you, like, were you pissed that he's sending you literal houses but not wanting to date you? Or were you like, I'm going to get him. Like, were you like, I know. Yeah, he wants me. He's sending me houses.

I always knew. We'd end up together. I always knew it. And I just was like, you know, I'll just continue my life until he decides that, you know, he's the biggest. idiot in the entire world. So that's what I did. But I don't remember, I think I remember just being like, oh yeah,

sure, that one's nice. Like, cool. She definitely, she did a great job of acting uninterested. I had a great apartment in Georgia. I was much bigger than Nick's little Venice Chateau. He was living in.

So I was like, you know. I was doing fine, actually. I'm upset. Everyone's like, she's a gold digger. I'm like, my apartment is bigger than his. I'm sorry. When I lived in Venice, I was such a cliche. Well, part, like, I was living with Jared at the time.

Jared, who's making niche content? What housewife? Making content. I didn't know you guys lived together. I had an apartment downtown, and Jared, like, moved to L.A. I was like, I got a two bedroom. I ain't using it. Like, literally, I had a two bedroom that my ex and I lived in, and then she moved out.

And she did a mattress campaign. And there was an empty mattress that sitting in. All that was in the guest bedroom was an empty mattress. was an empty mattress. There was nothing else. I didn't have enough stuff. And I took a picture of him. Like, Jared, here's a mattress for you.

And so he came and he moved in. Him and actually got together. And then I was like, you know what? I found this Venice apartment. And I was like, you know, a guy from Wisconsin, I should live by the ocean at least once in my life. And so, yeah, I got this tiny two-bedroom bungalow for like $5,000 a month. $5,000 a month.

Of course it is, yeah. And then I drove a range rover. So here I have this tiny fucking L.A. apartment. And I drive a range rover. such a LA cliche of like, why do you have this luxury car in this tiny ass apartment?

I was going to say, was it one of those bungalows where you have to drive down the really tiny, weird back alley to get into the city. Oh my God. That's kind of like my dream.

I will say that might be my dream apartment. It was a fun two and a half years. Yeah. I could, I might do that. But it did not impress the ladies. I can promise you that. It didn't.

No. Really? It worked on me. Wait, were you literally on the beach? No, I was like, I was like a block away. That's what I imagine.

I'm glad Natalie wasn't the one who got away. Yeah. Oh my God. Can I ask one more question to you guys? No. When what's the, and I wonder this as a single person sometimes. What's like, sometimes you think you're being a bit delulu. And I'm like, what's the difference between like really just like, like, like actively being like maybe I actually have a good feeling about something versus I'm being delulu.

Who's the question posed to? Who do you feel like was being delulu? And what are you being DeLulu about? I was just thinking about Natalie saying that like, you knew. You know what I mean? And I think sometimes like I see a lot of stuff like online, especially people being like, they call that Delulu now. Natalie Manifesto. I think it's more delusional when you stop your life for them and you're like, they're going to come around.

They're going to come around. They're going to come around. I know they will. I'm waiting for them. I'm waiting for them. I was like still working, still doing my thing. still going on dates, still like living my life, that I was like, if I meet someone else,

I meet someone else and like he loses his chance. But I do believe at some point we will get married. And we will have babies. So I think it's more delusional when you are like, I have to stop my life for this person. That is a good answer. That is a great answer. Ask Natalie.

Clip that. Yeah. Clip it. Brilliant. Clip it. Is Dave getting away with being a fuckboy because he's honest? Yes. Yes. Or Australian.

He's not getting away with it. He's just a fuck boy with an accent. I think we all acknowledge it. I think that is, I mean, and this is nothing new. Listen, like, I don't honestly think people, specifically women, have a problem with a promiscuous man who wants to fuck around. Like, women like to have sex and have a good time. It's the lying.

Yeah. It's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the, are you seeing anyone else? No, I'm not. And then it's like. But you are. Right. Exactly. That's, that's part where I have an issue.

It's the pretending to have feelings because you think without pretending you can't get laid. I will say it feels like everyone on this cast is down to have fun. Like no one seems like they're taking it that serious. You know, they're all like, no, no, not even because she made out with Weston at the singles thing. It's like if she was taking it that seriously to where she was like, Damari's going to be my husband. Like I'm leaving here in a relationship. She wouldn't, she wouldn't have done that. Interesting.

It was funny when she was having the conversation with Damari. and he was like, well, we'll talk, if that happens, we'll talk about it. And she was like, no, let's just like not make it a thing because I actually won't handle that well. About the friend. About the friend. Yeah. About Catherine. Hottie. Um, hot, beautiful, funny. Literally an icon legend star. Um, love her. But I just thought it was so funny because I'm like, no, this is what you actually should be asking for is like healthy communication. If it, and he's basically like, if anything's to change, I'll tell you. And she's like, don't let it change. But also, Marissa was the one that was like, let's play a game and let's all put our coconuts and bring it to her mouth. with not your partners. And I was like, okay, well. Exactly. Well, it's a really fun show. And yeah, we're really enjoying it. And to talk to get into the weeds of all the things that are going on in the house,

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How, first of all, how are you? How was your heart? How was everything going? I'm good. Honestly, like, I had such a good experience on the show. I can't complain. Okay. We love that. What was your first impression of Chris? Obviously, he comes from our show, Age of Attraction, so we know him quite well. I love Chris. I mean, he's like my best friend from the show now, other than my actual best friend, Kayla, of course. But he was my best guy friend. So I love him. Obviously, I thought he was really cute at first because I put his card down. But he didn't put mine down, I don't think.

What do you think about his gift giving? You know, Chris, again, he's part of our cast. He's a sweet guy and he always seems to mean well. He gives off this impression. But it's like he jokes about being kind of like love bomby and move too fast. And then he like brings like, and like he seems like talk about his money. in a way that it's like what you're friends with him so like yeah as a woman who dates men like Chris um like I did explain to me why it's not I shouldn't see that as like a red flag you know I can't

say that I don't see that as a red flag I love Chris from the bottom of my heart I don't know why he would bring a Louis Vuitton wallet to give to someone that he just met like literally the first night they match he's like and I have a gift for you like is this blackmail I got is this I'm like, I think he's genuinely trying to be a gentleman. I just don't think he sees like the issue with that at all. Yeah. He sees it more in like the sorority big sister, little sister giving them a gift way than love bombing. No, I think he's like genuinely trying to be thoughtful and sweet.

Yeah. And he is so thoughtful and sweet in real life. Like he texted me yesterday and he's like, I'm going to order some juice shots. Do you and your mom want anything? I'm like, yeah, you don't have to do that. But like, that's so nice. But I definitely would think it was weird if someone gave me. a Louis wallet the first second I met them. I made fun of him for that, honestly.

What did you think about Yemen saying you talk too much? I thought he was so rude and disrespectful, honestly, like the entire time that I was matched with him. Everybody else was getting coffee and everything brought to them in the morning and he just was sort of like, it seemed like he was just matching with me so that he didn't get sent home. Really? How much of that goes on like a perfect match? Because I, you know, like part of it is like there's this kind of open discussion. Like, I I loved it when Chris forgot. I forgot what it was, but he was like, well, now I'm just going to have to fake a relationship with someone else. He's like, you don't have to. You know, when you're at the singles party. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. I was like, shut up. Do not say that. I was like, Chris. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But I guess with the cast, I imagine there are people who are more open to the kind of strategy and game playing. And there's other people who are more like, you know, listen, I know it's a TV show. I know it's messy. But like, I genuinely. just want to, I genuinely just want to meet someone. You kind of, you gave that when they did the whole like, you know, the,

yeah. I don't know what you, whatever. Whatever. Whatever. You paired up with Jimmy. And you were just like, yo, no, like, I don't have, like, just, I love it how this show is. It's like, oh, we're playing spin the bottle. It's like, oh, well, I have to play. I'm like, I can do whatever I want.

I don't need to be making out with everyone. And that was like the one rule that we set at the singles mixer. I was like, I mean, you can do whatever you want, but that's my boundary. Follow it or don't. But you won't. end up my boyfriend if you do that for sure. And then everyone was calling me fucking boring. I'm like, I'm not being boring.

I'm trying to be respectful. Like, ugh. Same thing with Jimmy. He got called boring. What was the deciding factor between Nick and Jimmy? The deciding factor between Nick and Jimmy when, oh, that day, yeah. Honestly, Nick was, I love him so much. He's one of my good friends now.

He was so drunk that day. And the kiss was really bad. And I remember saying that my interview too I'm like I'm sorry love you Nick that was the worst kiss of my entire life What was gross about it? Just was not gross It was just not good It was like

Yeah but I mean this is this you know For any anyone listening And who is wondering if they're good or bad kisser Like sometimes bad kissing is like there's too much tongue It's like it's more like you're attacking my throat And then sometimes it's more like Dead body tongue Or it's like

It was sort of like there And I was like drunk Yeah Yeah, I was like, what's going on? So you got a bad kiss and you were like, and it's Jimmy. Yeah, but I mean, honestly, like, that wasn't the only deciding factor. I just felt such a connection with Jimmy, so it was a no-brainer. Then the kiss was bad.

I was like, okay, yeah, I'm good. Yeah, cherry on top, like, I'm okay. What do you feel like the intention was behind Jimmy taking Catherine on the date? Well, I mean, Catherine picked him so he wasn't allowed to say no. I didn't want him to go, obviously, but he didn't have much of a choice. So I was just like, okay. have fun. I'm so fucking anxious. Enjoy. It was so awkward.

But you were still, like, it didn't make you question his interest in you. What gave you the confidence that you and Jimmy had this connection? Because it was interesting to see him on the other side also kind of enforcing that same boundary, which, you know, we haven't always seen. I mean, he gave me a pinky promise that he would come home. And that was a huge fucking issue with everybody. The fact that he pinky promised? that he pinky promised me he would come back to me he was like nothing's going to change this like

I really really care about you I'm coming home I know where home is and I was like wow why did that piss everybody okay cool because then they were saying that he wasn't giving cat a fair chance but I was like I mean if he ended up really liking her he could so easily just be like sorry I thought I liked you more but then we had this crazy connection like he still could have easily fucked me over he didn't but then everyone made the biggest deal about this pinky promise but I still was really nervous when he left for the day even though he did that and then I went to go I told everyone I was going to go take my vitamins because I was like freaking out inside and he put his glasses in my makeup bag so it was really cute as like a because he had to yeah because he had to pack his

bags in case he didn't end up matching with me again and they like took all his stuff out of the room and he left his glasses that was the pinky promise yeah I was like that's really cute and then I saw them and I was like oh I'm chilling and I just sat up back by the pool all day drinking. I was like, this is great. Was Yeaman the only one that you kind of didn't gel with? I mean, I matched with him. So I obviously thought he was cool at first.

Right. And I think he's attractive and he's a really good kisser. But then just his energy was like, it seemed so performative to me. I'm like, okay, so are you here for a check? And like to get clout because I have faith in the process because my best friend found a three and a half year relationship from too hot to handle yeah so i'm like okay cool like honestly i'm not a huge dater i'll try this it'll push me out of my comfort zone i'll see what'll happen but he just seemed so fake and he would say the same shit to like one person and then like the boys

would be alone and i obviously had things repeated back to me from jimmy and i would just be like oh okay like what was repeated back to you just the way that he would talk about women just really disrespectful. Like he was matched with me and he would say certain things and then matched with Nat for so long and he would talk about how hot he thinks Kayla is and I'm like, I just don't like that.

And then the whole like doing nothing gentlemanly for me I find very unattractive. But then he talks about himself really highly and he's like, I'm a really good guy. I'm like, are you? You're not for me. Yeah. Why do you think Kayla was the one that got voted out?

And I'm always curious when it's like, oh, who's the least sincere, you know, wrong reasons type of stuff. Like it felt it felt like as a viewer it was like based off of like jealousy and eliminating the competition. But maybe it felt differently in the house. I mean, I completely agree with that because I feel like all the OG girls made a little deal that they were going to protect each other. But obviously no one's going to tell me that when my sister is in the house because I'm not going to fucking vote for her. but it just felt like so cornered. And that's why I stood up and I was like, this is wrong. She's a very genuine person.

Like I've never had a friend like Kayla ever in my whole life. And Kayla genuinely is like the kind of friend that you just pray to have. So I was so upset and obviously she was hysterical. They wouldn't let me talk to her after. I just feel like they were trying to exclude her so they could save themselves. Really sucked. Did you get to know Marissa very well? Yeah, I love Marissa.

We are fans of Marissa. and certainly we loved her on Love is Blind. I was a little, like, surprised how, have you seen the movie, Wedding Crashers? Yeah, they filmed it near my hometown. Oh, really? Yeah. And don't ever leave me because I'll find you.

Like Marissa was kind of giving that a little bit with, a Damari. A little bit, yeah, for sure. And there was a point where it was like, she was kind of like, he's mine, he's mine, and then it was, there were a couple matches where it was like, it felt like he didn't have a choice. Is that something we saw as, as viewing?

or was that energy felt in the house? I would say she definitely was like, that's my man, that's my man, that's my man from before they even started talking. Like the second she got there, the second I walked in the house, she was standing right next to him. And I was like, well, I knew DeBari before the show.

And I have always thought he was hot. So I was like, I'm definitely going to try. But it just, I don't know. I really like Marissa a lot, genuinely. Like, we've gotten a lot closer. But it was, she seemed a little bit possessive over him. And the way that they would fight on the show, I was like, y'all just met. Oh, my God.

Yeah, there was an intensity there. Yeah. Well, it was the first, it was the card child, the first thing that y'all did where you flipped each other's card and she got Whisper or she chose Whisper. And she was like, if you don't choose me, I'll fucking kill you. I know. I was like, oh, my God. And also I was so nervous during the first challenge.

I was like, oh, God, I'm so uncomfortable. Like, I am not like a PDA girlie all the time unless I'm like, oh, like totally in love with somebody, then I just sort of forget everything. But I was like, oh God, I got to make out these strangers like right off the bat. I was like, bro. It's like, this is awful.

Overall, you come across great. You're not really like a villain or anything like that, you know, if there's nothing. Thank God. My last show, I looked like such an asshole. I was like, I swear I'm not really like that. As a music performer? How did you look like an asshole?

I'm very competitive. Okay. Well, yeah, that did. Yeah, that's, of you showed for sure, but not in like an asshole way. Yeah, I'm very competitive. So I think like the last show, they just would clip me saying the craziest things.

And I was like, oh, fuck. I was like, I swear. We filmed for like two and a half months, obviously not the full story. But I was so sad about that because I was like, great, you don't show me happy a single time. Thank you so much. I felt like you had a really nice balance on this show.

You were someone seemed to go for, Like you could name what you want. You know, there's always vulnerability in being like, I like this person. I think we vibe. But you didn't go so hard of the pain a la say Marissa, where it seemed like you were willing to like, you know, let the chips while where they may

and move on from something if you weren't receiving it back. So yeah, you quite honestly, in a show that usually doesn't center around like rounded people, you come across, you seem to like really grounded in the whole experience. Thank you. That's really nice. I appreciate that.

I mean, I'm definitely like not the kind of person to be chasing a guy if I don't think they want me. I just like can't do that. What was the toughest challenge? Like actually the challenges that we had to do? Yeah. Like what was the most awkward or toughest one that you get that you had to do? I mean, I wanted to die in those showers that they made because the line was above my head and we had to fill the water up to it. I was like having a panic.

There's a little like osteophobia watching that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't like that. And then I didn't really love the last challenge because I threw up at it. and so to Kayla, but we were next to each other both throwing up. That's friendship. That's friendship.

I was like, damn, Jimmy, we just got a lot closer. He was like, yeah. Did you know Jimmy before he came on the, on different match? You didn't. I had no idea who he was, and I refused, because we got our phones for like an hour or two a day when we were filming. I refused to look up his social media because I was like, I just don't want to see it. I don't want to, like, know what his social media presence is like, because I don't know.

you never know. And I was like, I don't want to make a judgment on him from something like that. I would rather just get to know him here. And then I obviously just like fell in love with him. You know, he kind of reminds me of Adam Driver. Adam Driver. Jimmy's got a big personality. Okay.

Not maybe his personality, but he kind of looks like Adam Driver a little bit. You think? I thought he looked like, what's his name? Carl from Shameless, but taller. That's what I thought. Yeah, yeah. He is, so he is tall. Yeah, he's like six four.

He's a bad football player. Yeah. And I'm 5-1, so we love that. Definitely not Adam Driver. Like, at all. Yeah, no. That was crazy. I wouldn't.

Carl, look. Yeah. He looks like white boy Carl. Yeah. And shameless is Chicago, obviously. So I was like, you really are him. I was like, 12-year-old Allison would be freaking the fuck out right now. Yeah.

Well, Allison, thanks for coming. There's been a ton of fun. Good luck the rest of the way. We're excited to see. how your story unfolds. It sounds like maybe maybe they're like you're in love or something.

It sounds like maybe you guys maybe were the perfect match. I don't know. Maybe. I mean, whether they are the perfect match or just... A match. A perfect match. Yeah. We'll have to see.

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You're a star. Oh, God. No, I don't know. No, you're really great. No, I really feel like we see your personality. so much on a perfect match that we didn't really get to see

on banner prom. Yeah, I definitely agree. I definitely, this is a whole new side. It's me. Yeah, but yeah. I mean, Bravo's going to be watching this and been like, we missed out. Like, damn. Yeah. You're really, you're so fun to watch.

You're funny. Your timing is great and it never feels performative. It really feels like this is a person meant for television. And also like, and I'm not trying to gas you up. I know. I'm like, and we were saying this, you know, we first started covering the show.

It's just like, also like I just appreciate working with professionals. Not to take anything away from the authenticity of reality TV. But like some of your peers on perfect match, you know, their only time on TV was maybe like a stint on love is blind or, you know, are too hot to handle. You obviously had a couple seasons. was some of the best professionals in reality TV and Bravo. And it really shined in a way that, again, didn't feel performative. It was just really cool to see. And I wasn't sure what to expect when they casted you.

Yeah. But you were awesome on the show. Thank you. Oh my gosh. That makes me feel better, you guys. I haven't seen it yet. Well, you. So I just know I had a lot of fun.

You were great. And you love to cuddle. Oh, my gosh. Okay, I do. Oh, no. You're like, are you going to cuddle me tonight? Jimmy's like, I don't know. And you're like, and you don't cuddle me tonight.

Then like, what are we? What are we doing? Like, we're literally sharing a bedroom. Would you rather find out that your boyfriend cuddled another woman an entire night or you found out that your boyfriend got drunk and got head? Got head. He's a blow job.

I'm sorry, fallatio, oral sex. Oh, God. I think the more we cover these shows, and we talked about this on Age of Attraction, I think us humans and us men discount emotional affairs in a way where it's like there's an intimacy. And I think the way men kind of are able to objectify sex so easily, it sometimes can be harder the other way around. And as someone who clearly watching the show really values a cuddle, I'm just wondering if you found out like the intimacy. of an entire night cuddling, what do you think would be harder for you to accept? The cuddling. That, yeah.

I feel like that's so, is that what you would? I mean, obviously, I would not like either of those things. Yeah. I mean, like, if there's an option C, we'll take C. That is like intimate. Yeah. So the cuddling, I think. It's hard.

I mean, I think about that all day now. Did you expect to connect with Jimmy the way that you did? No. No. Did you watch him on Love is blind? No. Okay. We didn't have our phones or anything like that either, so I really didn't know.

I mean, he did, over time, he told me everything, you know, about the hair transplant too and all of that and, like, his funny reveal. That was documented. Like, he told me about all of that. But I didn't. How did he do that? Like, when we were cuddling. So here's my trauma on TV.

And I'm like, awesome. But it looks good. It looks good. It looks great. It does. It looks really good. He's great. We didn't, it wasn't like an immediate, like, attraction, I feel like that we had.

But, like, over time, I feel like we were just comfortable around each other and we became friends. Yeah. And then I think it grew into something more. Okay. Does it look like that? Does it show that? Yeah. Sure.

As much as reality TV does. Right. Right. Why perfect match really seemed fun to me was that it wasn't serious like a love is blind or something like that, it's that we can't have fun. I was like, I'm, I'm curious to see if I can even form a crush, you know? So that was kind of where my head was at with it. So I was really just open to like, having fun. You're very sharp and you're very quick-witted. And you're also, like, you seem to really know what you want. And I think a lot of people, you know, you present as

light and feathering. You talk about horoscopes. And I wonder if people like take you for granted or like underestimate you, I think is what I'm, yeah, underestimate you in a way. Yeah. You know, where like you are really good at like setting your boundaries and you're really good at knowing what you want in a way but it's also like light and fun and you do it in a funny way but like this show is all about like making excuses for your choices and things like that but you like you've always were like quick to just be like but no like nally said is that how you've always been or have you had to evolve and learn over time to be this alley that we got to see on perfect match that's a good question i think i i i don't i'm sure i've changed even with my last relationship that you know that one kept me on my toes but I do think I've always known where I'm at and I always try to like you know have my feet on the ground and be very in the moment but I do agree that I think even Jimmy at times at the beginning would say things like oh you're so like la la land or like things like that and I'm always like thanks but then I do feel like a little bit of me is like speaking of your last relationship what are your thoughts on him becoming

a father. Shocked, but also not really, because he always moved quickly. He always wanted to be a dad. I couldn't help but notice his announcement be perfectly timed with your announcement of being a imperfect match. And I am just wondering if that in your heart in mind is a coincidence or if that is not. That's an interesting.

I have not what do you? I don't, I didn't really think about that. I don't think that... He's that calculated? I don't think so. But, yeah, I don't think so. That wasn't like my intuition or gut feeling there, but I don't know. Yeah.

Okay. Have you guys spoken at all? Mm-mm. No. No. He ran into Joe at Coachella and said some things, I think, but that I haven't seen him, haven't talked to him. I didn't know he had a girlfriend.

But, you know, he moves quickly. And I'm happy for him. He always wanted to be a dad. I just hope he's healthy and happy. When you told Jimmy, when he was like, you're like, so do you like Cassie? And he was like, well, I mean, I would, in the real world, I'd be like fighting tooth and nail to get a second date, you know, with her. And you're like, okay, so I hear that you hate me. You were just so.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. And I feel like. And I feel like your humor came across as humor or do you feel like they were, they took you very seriously? And they were like, oh, she's. Thank you for. I do feel like nobody understands.

like my sarcasm or people like it's like jimmy's very sensitive actually and he's such a communicator and so you know and i just say oh my god here we go again like it's not that deep he's like i just need to talk about it you're like again exactly and he says how he feels like all the time like even the conversation about you like your son um being on broadway yeah that's so funny it's gonna be interesting to watch it back too because you know like when you're filming and you're just in it and especially when you're like in a villa and you're sharing a bed it's like you do almost just it's weird how quickly you can get almost just obsessed with everyone I mean even the girls and like your friendships like you just latch on to each other who did you uh bond with the most Natalie and I

were very close Allison we were close it's so funny she went to the same college as me we're both alleys we both matched with jimmies so like that was funny. She sings. I sing for fun. She's amazing. Obviously, building the band. Honestly, everyone. You know, everyone truly was awesome and so fun. What about any of the guys? Did you feel like any of them? Dave was my favorite. We were like besties. Yeah. He just felt like a warm presence. And I could be myself with him. He also was just there to have fun and took, you know, was taking it seriously, but also was like very grateful for the experience and just wanted to like enjoy it.

How did you end up on perfect match? Like what was that, what do those conversations look like? Carly, my manager got, I guess, an email or somehow, because months before I even did like the initial interview,

she mentioned it to me. This was also like a couple months after my breakup. So this was probably like in the spring of 2025. And I remember being like, I don't think I could do that. Like a dating show just sounded so intimidating and scary. But then I, when I heard it was going to film in October, I was kind of like, okay, that'll be enough time has passed,

and it could be really good for me in a good way to almost put myself back out there and, like, see how I feel, and if I'm actually ready to even be open to love. So it was kind of like a roller coaster. Are you still living in South Carolina? Yeah, he moved in January. Because I was kind of, to be honest, expecting to see you on Southern Charm. A Southern Charm? Yeah, like. She popped in on Southern Hospitality. Yeah, because I'm friends with Maddie and Joe and people from hospitality. I mean, I'm friendly with the charm people as well, but like I actually hang out with Maddie and Joe and them all the time. And I play guitar and sing at Leva's restaurants. So that and I wasn't a little like, don't blank like cameos last season when I was there for the month. But yeah. Were there ever

conversations about you joining in a more full-time capacity? I don't know anything, but I do hang out with them a lot, and I could see that being a natural thing that could happen. But I don't know. I don't even know if Bravo would be, like, hesitant about it. I don't know. Do you want to? I would be open.

I think I'd be open to it if it felt right. Yeah. I've only lived there for four months, but I'm loving it so far, and I do, I am, like, close with everyone, so it would feel natural. It's a whole, you know. how fun it was to see you without you being attached to James.

Because like, I mean, like it wasn't like, it wasn't a different Alley, it was just more of who you are. And I think we, you know, you were, you know, being the girlfriend of one of the main characters, you know, just not. Yeah, I was just like there. And again, like, I just think as someone

who watches a lot of these shows, there are some people who are like, you know, you're good, you're fine. And there are some people who really shine and are really made for this environment. And, I hope to see more of you. It was just, it was very fun to watch you.

It was really cool. You know, you see a lot of people bounce between shows and like, you're just like, no, it's still, you know, like it's, they don't bring anything more. And I think it's just hard to find, you know, a really great talent. And I think people making these shows would be foolish not to explore something. Well, thank you. Why did you wave at Jimmy after kissing Dave? Did I do that? You did and then you're like, oh my God, I just waved at him.

Why did I just wave at him? It was crazy. I don't know why I just waved at him. Because I saw him like, hi. Why was he looking? We're still doing horoscopes? Yes. How is the horoscope universe looking these days?

Yeah, that's what, please. I love that. A lot better now. Like the first half of January was a rocket. I mean, honestly, 2026 is. It's a lot. Yeah, like 2025 really walked so 2026 could fly, like socially everything. But the summer's looking good. Jupiter is about to go into Leo in August, which is going to be really good. Jupiter is the planet of expansion and abundance and opportunities. And so if you have any personal planets in Leo, you do, right? Your rise in your center. Yeah. That's really good for Leo placements because it's going to bring expansion to like that part of your chart. So it's, we're, we're We have, um. Looking good for, you know, we have a new moon Saturday, which is, how do you feel about?

Yeah, and Torres. Gemini girls. I love Gemini girls. Okay. Yep. Is that, is that? We and Aquarius. Oh, I love air signs.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Which is so perfect for you guys because that they're like the communicators and they're witty and they're smart. Oh my God. I love that. I love girl Gemini's. Yes, yes. Girl Gemini is good. When is the due date?

Yeah, Gemini Men are. July 2nd. July 2nd, yay. So right when Jupiter goes into Leo. That's awesome. It's going to be a star. Oh, hello, yes. I love that.

Do you have you found that your passion for astrology has, how have men you've dated received your passion? Different in the South. Yeah. But if anything, it just makes me love it more because I'm like, okay, this isn't for you. But it's okay. I do think there's always like a little bit of a stigma around it or just people in general who like that stuff. But, you know, it's not for everyone and that's okay. You know, I'm not here to like make people believe or to push it on them.

But I do love when someone has an open mind and they're like curious. And they still don't even have to really believe in it. But it's fun regardless. It's fun regardless. There's so many, like it doesn't have to be that deep or it can be. Like, yeah. Yeah. I love it.

Do you still keep up with Bravo, drama and like say summer house and okay i'm caught up but i and i've started watching after the scandal and all that i started watching it um this new season but i mean i see everything on social media it's crazy any thoughts history repeats itself yeah because you were now he's got to go we lost the babysitter uh i will i will yes yeah because like obviously you were smack dab in the middle of scandal so much about this scandal has been compared to Scandival. Yeah. Is it of interest to you because of how connected you were to that?

Or are you just more like, eh, not for me? I think it's just wild watching. It's just shocking. As I, Sierra and Amanda were so close. Yeah. And Ariane and Rookout were there for a while when that happened too. So it is just a weird parallel. What would the horoscope, so to speak, say about?

I haven't seen there. Let me look it up. Yeah, look it up. But I do know when the bomb shut, when it dropped, and it was like on the news, like Pluto was doing the most, we had a square. Like it was, I even made like an astrology video. I didn't talk about it, but it was kind of like a little bit directed at that because it was impossible for it not to, like the undertones, whatever. Okay. Corecast astrological signs.

But yeah, the astrology, like the current astrology was just, again, 2026 is it's exposing things. Amanda Patula is a Leo. See, she would have had such a good year. She would have gotten the Ariana treatment, you know? I don't like she burned it all to the ground for... West Scorpio? Yes, and I believe... Secrets.

I want to say, Sierra... Obviously, I don't know them that well personally. We're just having fun. We're just having some fun. Oh, beautiful, beautiful. I found risings as well. Okay. So we have Sierra as like, this just says Capricorn Moon Libre Rising.

Oh, oh. I thought she's a Capricorn sun. She's a Capricorn sun, Capricorn moon, Liba rising. And then we have Amanda, who's a Leo son, Capricorn moon, Leo rising. Okay. And then West, who is a Capricorn sun, Sagittarius Moon. West is a Capricorn sun? Yes, according to this graphic that I'm looking at.

Oh, so he's a Scorpio moon. Maybe. Or that was just Google. Got it. Yeah. Oh, so they're both Capricorns. I'm shocked. I'm a Capricorn.

I love Capricorns. I mean, Sierra, I'm not shocked Sierra is, but that's very. loyalty is like everything. You know, so that's... Not for West. Yeah. Not for West, though. Capricorn men.

Capricorn men. I always like Capricorn men. But that's why I bet he's a Scorpio moon or something's in there. It says Sagittarius moon on here. Oh, okay, right. So Capricorn wants stability, and then Sagittarius is like, I don't know stability. Like, we don't want stability. Sagittarius is like fun, life of the party, very energetic.

Yeah. Obviously, I wish the best. Are they still together? You know? A man in West? Yeah. hard to say West has been seen out

but also it's like anytime he's pictured with a woman he's getting a photo taken of him as if they're really it seems a bit misleading it's hard to really say but we also really don't know if they were even together

or they announced a situation ship like it's they kissed out a baseball game oh yeah I saw that yeah they're dating oh so they are dating well I don't know they are they're dating it seems like they are dating

everyone is now speculating is it like is West just like stuck in this thing is not who really we don't really know and honestly they probably don't even know they probably don't even know it's their reunion will be what do you think about the audio leap i mean you know like less disappointing that it happened because obviously like people work so hard on their shows and like it's not okay yeah obviously and as you know right it's like what a few seconds of 10 hours of footage that being said what we did get to hear Amanda was kind of giving Tom Sandal

which it was just like why are you why are you ten toes down why are you like why just just be like yo I fucked up I'm a bad friend I don't want to

this is not who I am but it was more like you can't help you like no it was wild I was shocked by that why are you like just it just it just came across

as really insensitive and the only justification I can come up with is because like I had talked to Tom so many times back in the day. And Tom was just so, you know, there's the TV element, as you know, and there's the real life element. And like, there were just things about however things went down between him and Ariana that he just wouldn't let go. You know, because he felt like, not justified,

but he just felt like there was a narrative that wasn't totally accurate or true. And it felt like he needed people to know that. And at the end of the day, I don't think people really gave a fuck. No, no. And that's the only thing I can think of with Amanda, where, is she's just like she wants to have this nuanced conversation about her choices in a way that people aren't interested or certainly ready to receive. I don't know if a reunion is the place to have that nuanced conversation with the people that you heard. No, like she should be. You're so right.

It needs to just be full. No, that nuanced conversation comes like in a year if you're still with West. Exactly. And then be like, let's sit down and have that closer and talk through it. But right now, people's feelings are so hurt. It's just like it doesn't matter which way you try to, it doesn't matter. What was the horrors? Recently, I don't, I think we're going to air this in a bit.

So this will be a bit of old news. But over the weekends, Sierra, I don't know if you saw was in the comments. Okay, I don't know what she said, but I kind of saw that she was. She accused Jen Fessler of having sex with West in the comments. She is a housewife of New Jersey. She was a friend of, she's not currently on Jersey. She's married. She's married with two kids

Was a friend of on Jersey And was like chill and cool Never really had a problem with anyone Yeah What? Very lovely person I met her last This past weekend

She seems nice And you met her Is it true? According to Jenfester, no Okay I don't think Jen Fester would tell me If it was Right

Okay But Gosh the Bravo world right now I really don't believe it's true But I don't really think it matters If it's true Because like I just As much as I

want to support Sierra in this moment. I guess my question, he was like, how, what would the horoscopes in terms of, like, why, you know, it's like, I can give you the, I can give you the, I can give you the, I can give you, I can give you the horoscope, and yada, yada, yada, but it's more like you already won. Yes. Yes. Like there's, you know, we don't need to, like, kick people when they're already down. I know the fans love it.

I know they're eating it up. They want to see Sierra burn everyone associated with West to the ground. but it's like once you're over this and you I hope and I'm sure you will be over this someday that's just something you're probably going to be like I could have not said that out loud because did she comment bringing that to light she brought it to light then she doubled and tripled down and and it's just like yo like you're you're especially if she's also like not even on TV anymore or signed up to share her life it's like why are we I don't like yeah So how would the horoscopes explain that for someone that like, you know, again, we've all been Sierra.

We've all done the thing where it's like, maybe that went too far. But in the moment, you feel very justified and no doubt that she has the entire internet aiming her on and supporting her and validating all of her decisions. What would the horoscope? When was this? A week ago? This was a whole weekend. It started on Friday. Friday.

It went into Saturday, nothing. Maybe a little bit more on Sunday, but mostly Friday. I'm just wondering when, well, we just had a Libra full moon. I know she's a Libraising. So I'm like, it could have been maybe during the moon when it's in your first house, emotions are, you're overreactive and you're not really thinking clearly because the moon is our emotional house, you know, and it's a wave. Yeah. So, but maybe, I'm not sure of the exact date, but, yeah, the astrology this year is just doing like the most also.

I'm a Libra rising and I felt, yeah. I'm a Libra Moon. Oh, nice. I was, yes. Yes. I feel like my Libra got a little activated on Saturday. And I was like, you know, saying something's doing something. So I wonder.

Oh, and then, oh, well, you know what happened? Pluto went retrograde. There we go. Pluto, I'm pretty sure on what's today. So it's not serious Monday. It's Pluto. Yeah, guys, it's Pluto's fault. That's what's great about astrology.

Exactly. Literally. Back to perfect match. How appealing was it for the. love it was for the potential free vacation in order with what was the appeal of winning perfect match i think i was just really excited you know like what do they say like fear is like disguised excitement or like if you're scared of something walk through it so i was really nervous to do it but it also felt like such a like cool opportunity like i wish i i wish all my friends could like do something like

that like it was fun so it was really just to put myself out there and see if i would find love who was the most insincere person in the cast Okay. I like him as a person. I just think it was hard, Chris, I just think, I just think it was hard to follow him. And, you know, maybe just a lover boy, but it was hard to keep up.

And it was like whatever was in front of him at that moment. That's what he liked. Okay. Who did you bond with the most outside of your romantic relationships? Gosh. Dave, Natalie and I were really close.

Honestly, Natalie, Jimmy and I were like, the three of us would like lay in bed in the morning and just like chit-chat. Your Jimmy? Yeah. Basketball Jimmy? Yeah. Not basketball Jimmy, but love him too. Marissa is great. All the girls.

Allison as well, we would do like little TikTok dances and stuff. Yeah, I mean, you have like so much time. We were there for like a month. Okay. So it felt like a family. Well, it was very fun to catch up with you. I'm excited to see how the rest of the season goes. Maybe we'll have you back on.

to talk about it. Yes, that'd be fun. Do you think, is there more to your story? I visit a lot. Can you tease a lot? What can we come to expect? For, okay, okay. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I switch things up a little bit.

Okay. And then maybe switch back a little bit and then switch up a little bit and just have fun and exploring, which is the point of like the show, you know, is to test your whatever. Did people recognize your experience in reality TV and gravitate towards you for advice ever? Do you mean in the cast? Yeah. No.

Did they know about you? Marissa and Allison knew. Okay. And so, yeah, when I did walk into the house, they were like, oh, my God, like, you need to find a good guy. I was like, thanks. So that was sweet. It's like that that was nice that they already kind of knew.

Yeah. So I don't have to like go into everything. Well, it's great to see you doing so well. Love that you're back on our TV screen. It really, I mean, honestly, didn't know what to expect, but it was, you were awesome. Yeah. Thank you so much. And it's been fun to catch up with you.

and it's great to see you doing so well. Thank you, Nick. You too. Thanks for coming. So good to see you guys. Bye bye. Bye bye. All right, well, thanks for listening to today's episode.

Thank you to our guest, Alison and Alley from Perfect Match. Don't forget, we are back tomorrow. Sierra joins the household. We also have Damari from Perfect Match. We appreciate you listening. Go check out Vow Files Plus. We'll see you later. Bye-bye.