The Viall Files - E1130 - Summer House Finale/In The City Premiere, DeMari Talks Perfect Match & Danny Darko Does Drag

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Well! The Summer House finale led us to the In The City premiere and we're so excited to talk to you guys about the best one two punch of reality tv episodes we've seen in a long time. West and Ciara and Amanda and Kyle?? The hugs, the tears, the Apres Ski, and New York City becoming a Bravo character once again?? We're sat. Also, DeMari stops by to talk about his time on Perfect Match AND we get into the most recent episode of The Valley (Danny in drag). You will NOT want to miss this one.    "Is West Wilson emotionally stunted and stupid or is he that Machiavellian where he knows what he's doing and just doesn't give a f*ck?" HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE?  Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content?  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Helix Sleep: Go to https://helixsleep.com/viall for the Memorial Day Sale, 27% Off Sitewide. Exclusive for listeners of The Viall Files. Mack Weldon: Get moving with Mack Weldon. Comfortable anywhere. Go to https://mackweldon.com and get 20% off your first order of $125 or more, with promo code VIALL. Rakuten: Join for free at https://rakuten.com or download the Rakuten app to start saving money today. Wayfair: Get prepped for patio season for way less. Head to https://wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. ASPCA: To explore coverage, visit https://aspcapetinsurance.com/viall  Clearstem: Go to https://clearstem.com/viall and use code VIALL at checkout and receive a free mini HYDRAGLOW plumping Moisturizer when you spend $75 or more. Tonal: Right now, Tonal is offering our listeners $200 off your Tonal purchase with promo code VIAL at https://tonal.com  To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:13 - Household Headlines 23:17 - DeMari Joins 55:38 - Show Recaps 01:56:38 - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @demaridavis4 @ciaracrobinson @the_mare_bare @justinkaphillips

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I'm your host, Nick, joined by my wife. She's back, day two of feeling not bad. Not bad. Woohoo! Not bad. We also have Sierra Robinson is back joining the household today. Justin, sweet boy, Justin is also with us. Mary, are you online?

Are you here? Don't let her. Smeagle? Are she? Oh, no, it's bad. That's crazy. Mary's lost your voice. Love you.

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We have a jam-packed episode. Lots to talk about, like, that was some of the best reality TV I watched last night with the finale of Summer House and premiere of In the City. I'm super into In the City. I don't, I think it's so much better than the Valley. I don't know. Maybe, okay, they have a bit of a cheat. I think, obviously, with the all of the Scamanda and the interest behind it,

I think, as someone who's always loved the vibe, like, I love a New York City centered show. And I feel like in the city is really giving us, like the chance, like a reality sex in the city type of vibe where we, you know,

I love the relationships that we get to unpack. I love like, you know, I think, Justin, you're talking about the Summerhouse is more like singles and dating in the city is like obviously valley based, but I don't know, there's something about the, I don't know, the hustle and bustle of New York. Also, I feel like with Summerhouse, you know, how they like list the jobs, you know, like West journalists and you got Kyle like CEO and even Amanda creative director. Like they're, and I think for the most part, they're like Sierra Nurse, like these real jobs. And I feel like in the valley they don't like, I don't know what any of them do. I know just.

and Michelle do real estate. I know that. I was going to say the exact same thing. You were. Yeah, no, I'm just like, the thing with the Valley is that it's like you're kind of like watching people like bebop around where it's like they kind of have no purpose where that was kind of my issue watching this season where I'm like, why are Schwartz and Michelle getting together in a salt room to talk about a trip to San Diego? This just doesn't happen. Where I'm like, New York, it's like, oh, they're at a bar and they're all talking about his like past dating life and like, oh, he brought this girl over from New York.

And it was just like, they're all involved. But they all like are like hardworking people that are like, all right, we're out. We're, you know, getting the full debrief. You know what I thought was an amazing scene on In the City? The grocery store scene between Amanda and Lindsay because it's, you know, it's like that was like a real life moment. It seemed like they were literally grocery shopping. Everyone else, every other one of these shows, it's always like they're on the couch at home or they're like at a bar having a drink. They're not like doing things.

There was something about them grocery shopping together and like a different type of scene that made it feel more like a, almost like a scripted show in a way that like is. Or it's like, let's go on a hike and then they stop as soon as they, and they're like, let's sit down on this bench. Like let's finish our conversation and then we'll just go home. I don't know. I just, I really loved that. I thought it was great. I was so fucking locked in. No, that's a good point. When she was like, I need some fruit. And I was like, oh, I need some fruit. I think you're right. It kind of feels like they fit the filming schedule into their actual lives versus their actual lives being fit into a phone. I noticed this too because recently with Salt Lake City, a lot of people have been posting like the girls just like waiting in a lobby before the camera start with like lights set up.

And it's like it breaks the mysticism. But also it looks like they're waiting for the scene. Yeah. Versus this looks like the camera showed up for the already preexisting event. All right, Lindsay and Amanda have 20 minutes. I guess we're doing this at the local bodega. Let's go. Yeah. Also just like shout out to Amanda and Kyle.

And I say that because like these people really like that, you know, talking about 10 years and everything they've gone through and the conversation they had where they separated. Like I don't know. Maybe that's the first end they had the conversation. Maybe it's like they're on camera conversation. But these are two people who clearly have committed their lives to this show and this audience in a way that is authentic that you just don't see that. I think with other really heartfelt deep conversations. And I just don't, like, these people aren't actors. Like, and I think the way that they have shown up for our entertainment is.

Yeah, I feel like I was going to say the when Amanda, when they had released the statement and she comes over to the house and he's like, oh, you still have your key. And then he's like, you look really skinny. Are you eating? You know, like that in that whole conversation, that whole scene, it did. It felt very like, I shouldn't be listening to this, you know? Like, this is like a private conversation. and I feel like I should leave the room, but also I'm so locked in

on hearing everything that the two of you have to say. Because we usually see them at the house up in the Hamptons and now we're in their apartment. I know they've shown like a few times scenes like that, but this felt like it really felt like a BTS in a way that was very, I was locked in. And hearing Kyle be like watching Summer House back, it really seems like you had this emotional affair with him.

And her reaction to that, it's just, it was wild. What do you think, Sierre? I agree. Like I was like it was it was interesting to watch because obviously like I have my own little like critical like where I'm like breaking up or like confessing the truth to people where I'm like I think being able to say like when she was having that conversation with Kyle it just kind of felt like she was she couldn't say the actual truth at the same time everything she was saying was truthful at the same time. Does that make sense? Like two things can be true at the same time where I'm like you're omitting a lot. But at the same time I do believe that you wanted things to work out. I do believe that you're sad that this marriage ended the way that it did. but I'm like I'm also like I I don't know

some of it was just like tough to watch so to your point yeah I do feel like I was like a part of a conversation well we will certainly break down the dirty details of the episodes of both episodes summer house in the city will also get into the valley

there's so much to unpack we also have the new trailer for the reunion one of the most intense trailers I mean that was I felt like I felt like it was theater it was Broadway it was cinematic art lots to get into but before we do we all

also have Damari from Perfect Match and great conversation with him. He is caught up in a love affair with Marissa, who if you remember was on Love is Blind. And, you know, I wonder, well, Marissa lover, you know what? It's a dating show. First, she's like attached to Marari. Then she's like making out with some other guy at the mixer. She's, I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out Marissa. Anyway, I think so is Damari. We have a conversation with him to understand. Great guy. I really enjoyed my time with him and he really seems like I really really became a fan more of a fan of him having had a chance to talk with him and I'm excited for you guys to hear that interview. Before we get to the perfect match conversation and DeMari, did you, you guys sent me, was it you, Justin,

about which Mormon wives have unfollowed or which ones follow Jordan and Dakota, which I would mostly roll my eyes at this type of reporting in the weeds reporting. But when it comes to this particular group of people and women, they clearly use the follow and unfollow to communicate to each other and their audience. I would usually roll my eyes at this type of stuff. But I do feel like this kind of like, it's hard not to analyze why some of these women have unfollowed and some of them haven't unfollowed. So who is following?

I was going to say, Nick Rose's eyes. I'm over here like, oh my God, the amount of like, I applauded the amount of energy it needs for people to like every day every second like check who's like following who it's just too many people to track. Anyways, so who's still following Dakota and Jordan are

Jen Affleck, Michaela, and Miranda. Interesting. Didn't see that coming. It appears Macy recently unfollowed them. I just saw Jesse and Macy doing a like my ride or die reel together and they were I felt like her

Macy and Michaela obviously last season were a really tight triangle I we saw Justin and I saw Jesse Macy Lela and Miranda at the the get out Hulu event

and they all seemed together and cohesive there wasn't there wasn't tension they were you know they they all seem aligned so to speak it didn't seem like they were like it wasn't like a Jesse like certainly and Miranda and Laila doesn't follow them but Miranda does

it would appear I'm like Michaela I guess I kind of understand in the sense of feuding with Taylor that I guess maybe she has some sort of different siding. Because I just remember her and Jay saying the whole stuff with like there's more to the story or whatever when the whole Taylor story broke. But I'm just kind of like. But we've also heard Michaela say time and time again, I'm team the kids. And if you're team the kids, then why not unfollow both of them? Right.

I mean, you're definitely choosing a side. Yeah, whatever's going on between you and Taylor, Frankie Paul, if you're. Michaela. Like, to me, there's not a question of whether, like, Dakota's problematic and if he's done things to harm his family. And obviously, there's a lot of thoughts and feelings about Taylor, Frankie Paul, whether she is a victim of his actions, and this is a negative response, as terrible as it's been at times, or is she more of the, you know, everyone can debate that. But I just don't feel, like, amongst these women, like, I am surprised that they wouldn't want to distance themselves to Dakota

and the fact that some of them still follow Dakota and Jordan to me is very deliberate since they're like I doesn't there's a lot of people I follow that I don't fuck with because I don't you know I don't like I don't use the unfollow. Miranda doesn't

follow them anymore so I don't know if that was oh so that means I think that she got she saw the post and someone's like yo and she it's kind of like it's kind of like when all the news broke about James Kennedy and Ali Louber and Nick and I got messages being like, hey, why are you still following James?

And we were like, oh, God, yeah, why are we? Like, forgot all about that. Oops. Like, he hasn't posted in a couple weeks, so I haven't seen him on my 4-U page. You know. So sometimes it takes someone like... So Miranda has since unfollowed.

So Michaela also doesn't follow them anymore. Okay. So I'm going through this, like, I end up checking. So nobody follows. So no one of that many more. Well, looks like they might have, like, since all the way. What about you? Jen Affleck.

That's what I'm checking right now. Yeah, she's on a whole different show now, so. I still not convinced she's on Orange County. I am. She bought a house in Newport. She's been living care for, since Dancing with the Stars. I just, I was told by a very involved person with that show that Zach, and I quote, Zach fucked that up for her.

And she wasn't like, aren't they separate? I don't think they're separated. And the only thing, I don't think anything of fish, maybe I'm wrong, but the only thing that's come out is from Jen Affleck, not. anything from the show. No, Hulu has commented on Jen's post being like, woo-hoo, love you girl, or something like that. Jen does still follow both of them. Okay.

That's weird. Maybe she doesn't care. Maybe she's unplugged. I don't know. Can I just have like one like random gripe about the OC spinoff? If only one of the women are Mormon, like, why couldn't we still have this franchise but just be like secret lives of influencer wives or secret lives of like, why did we have to keep the Mormon of it all if it's not going to be focused around the fact that they do this mom talk plus being Mormon.

That is true. It could be, like, secret lives could be the thing that, the franchise. I would say there are a couple of people that are Mormon or ex-Mormon on the cast, which is the same as this current cast where some of them weren't currently practicing Mormon. But also, majority of them aren't wives. A lot of them aren't even married. Well, they're not. No, I know. But like real housewives of whatever. Like a lot of them are... Yeah, the definition is like evolving.

Right, but it's like even then real housewives of, like when we just were changing the city, but I'm like secret lives of whatever. But I'm just like, I just don't think we need to keep the Mormon of it all if that's not really the central focus. Do we technically know the official title of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives? Orange County. Because they should have been calling it OC. You can't just call it OC.

The streets have been saying OC. Yeah. Just OC, like Marissa and Ryan, Summer and Seth. No, you're right. Secret Lives and Mormon Lives in Orange County. Secret Lives in Orange County. Which is the longest title to ever live. So I do feel like it needs to be shortened.

S-L-M-W-O-C. Slum-U-C. Slum-Hat it. Too much. Sorry, it's just something that bothers me where I'm just like, I feel like that franchise we would totally get that they're connected.

It just, the name, if that's not the central focus, I'm fine with watching a bunch of influencer, podcasters, public figures, being out and about and what their lives are like, but like the Mormonism of it all just like doesn't need to be there where it makes sense in Utah. I'm excited regardless.

I hear it's going to be a great show. I'll watch it. I said that about In the City. I was like, yeah, I'm not watching that. And I'm like, hooked. In The City is amazing. Sierra, what is catching your attention on a perfect match? I think, yeah, it's interesting.

I'm still getting sucked in. You know, Jimmy P. being the man about town. I'm like, it's just a very different version of, yeah, love is blind than I'm. I'm used to. Seeing Allie as a main character versus James's girlfriend has been very interesting. It's also like Ali bringing the Love Island. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. Like her flirting and being goofy. She's so cutesy and just like, but like all over the place. And like I love how much they're just kind of like drinking and having fun on this show though. I'm like they're literally just like, oh, I don't know. I'm watching them talk. Ali is so cute.

I'm sorry. Her vocal stem of hi Jimmy. Jimmy. She's going to like spy and then being like that was a terrible. idea. And then waving at Jimmy. Oh my god. The other spying. So yeah, Ali and Jimmy are what's catching my eye. But it's, it's weird recognizing people from other shows and seeing like how they unfold in this light. Marissa to me is like a different version of Marissa. Yeah, because she was so kind of like the straight

character in there in her couple. From the military knows what she wants. Yeah. And then this one is just like, I'm jealous and I don't know why. Yeah. So. Well, she, she claims to know what she wants. And that was Damari. And then she went to this mixer. And fully just played truth or dare once and was dared to make out with Weston. She was like, all right, guess I got to do it. It's truth or dare. And then she comes back. She's like, I got to be honest with you.

This happened. Now we're just going to both forget it ever. Like she completely. You can't be mad. We're not going to talk about it. It's like she processed it for him. Yeah. I have a question for the group.

If you're locking down first episode or early in the experiment, are you treating this as a game rather treating it as finding your perfect match? And I'm referencing Marissa and Damari where it's like, from day one, they're like, okay, cool, we're together. But then like now that they're kind of exploring other matches are like, well, we'll just ignore that. But like, let's stay together,

which to me gives and plotting to win. Right. Marissa wasn't giving plotting to win for a TV show. And maybe it's just like good performing on her part, but I don't think that's it. It was giving, I'm obsessed with this man. Maybe just as soon as she walked in, she was like, yep, no, no.

No, no, yeah, Damari's the only one for me. You know, and she just was like, all right, this, if I'm going to, like, be here, this is my only, the only person I'm attracted to. I mean, that is a real thing because, like, when you are going on a love competition show with the expectation to, like, pair up of someone, like, I know, like, it's always hot people. But, like, everyone has preferences and everyone has types. And, like, they're usually, you're just not into most people. And, yeah, there's an. And usually the second someone opens their mouth, you're like. Like, yep, never mind.

You were hotter before. You have like one, yeah, you're definitely like into maybe one person. And you have to sleep next to them. Like you have to share a room with these people. We have to sleep in the same bed as these people. So you get comfortable with them, I guess. But also, like, we voted Chris out because, like, we thought he was the one that was, like, treating this as a game.

I think Jimmy literally told us it's a game, I'm here to win. I was like even Ali was like when Jimmy was talking to somebody else and she was like, shit, I'm going home. I'm going home. So I'm like, I think it's very apparent that there is an element of this that like I might not find my husband here. But what is the prize? A trip. It's a trip with that person. But do you remember last season, last season we were rooting for a different couple and then just the random last minute couple got it? Yeah, the people that pair it up at the last minute. So, you know, I just, then I don't really understand the appeal, I guess, unless it's just TV time. I just feel like it's not a show where you could be like,

you're not here for the right reasons. It just doesn't apply to like the format. That's why I feel like when people, like I felt like this was the first season that people weren't really getting that mad that the other person was making out at the mixer or doing whatever. Because it's like, honestly, like we weren't. You know what I, you know, so many of these shows, perfect match, Bachelor and Paradise in the recent season have clearly tried to take from Love Island and what has worked for them. Right. But I think the thing that they seem to be missing the most is the soundtrack. I think that's what makes Love Island so visceral. And so, like, I don't know what it is.

Last summer, like, so many reasons why I can't wait for Love Island. But the soundtrack, like, I would listen to that shit all the fucking time. There's some good jams on there. They're finding new tunes. And there's like, and then when you're listening to it, it connects you with what you watched. And it's like the music that, like, some of the, you know, it's mostly it's royalty-free. It's generic. And it is just not the same is like a hidden gem.

It's like, remember when, I think it was Love is Blind, I think it was Jimmy P. But when they used Manchild. No, it wasn't Jimmy P. It wasn't. Oh, my God. What was it? What was that? Who was it?

It was the guy that's, he left the fitting. Oh, oh, oh, the one with the Nomad. The Nomad? Who said the Pilates thing? Joe, it was Joe. Joe was the one that walked away with the Manchild. Oh, right. Okay.

Yeah, Love is Blind sometimes do that. I remember they used that Manchild's arena Carpenter on like, like his exit. It was like the last five seconds of the show and everyone was like Netflix spent their bag to get that song and it was so worth it. But that's what I'm saying. I don't know what this shit cost and like I don't know what Love Island is paying to do this. But I really think that is because like why when you watch like when you're watching perfect match versus Love Island, you know, really what is the fucking difference? Why are the competitions on Love Island so like fun and so like you're so like like locked in and I really think it's like the music that heightens

it up there is something about that these songs that we connect with or even if you haven't heard them there's like there's a difference between like great music that's produced by like you know it's like talented people versus like royalty free yeah when you see someone's Instagram ad on Instagram and it's like a reel and you can obviously they had to use royalty free music because the brand wasn't going to pay and it like just doesn't hit this This doesn't hit. And I'm just curious when you're producing these shows. Obviously, budgets are involved, but like, I really think that's part of the secret sauce of Love Island.

It is, but by the way, I went back and tried to watch. There's one specific scene of when Kailer and. I knew you're going to bring the song. Because that scene specific to me always just, like, hit me so hard. I remember recording it on my phone. And then I went back to watch it on Peacock. And I was like, what is this music? I was like, this is not what I remember.

So I think they have, they pay for like a certain period. And then even the main song, if you go back and watch like the main theme song. I don't think it's the same for like season six or whatever it was. I also wonder because it's dreamed on Peacock and it's Warner or Universal, NBC Universal and Universal Music Group, but I'm like, I wonder if they get those songs. Like for a specific time and then they have to change it. But yeah, I mean, it makes the difference because you watch it and you're like, wow, this emotional like song just like hits. Yeah. Because like you're just, I just always wonder why sometimes it doesn't hit quite the same.

No, you're so right. Anyway, we got a great conversation with Damari. Coming up next, and you will definitely enjoy this conversation. He gets into all the things that are going on with him in the perfect match house with Marissa. Then he had his ex-girlfriend show up, and that was a wild conversation. He answers all our questions. And then coming out of that conversation, we are going to get into all things summer house in the city. The Valley, so much to break down. It was just wild television.

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I just want to tell everyone who's listening. He's his good-looking in person. Oh, my God. You're very handsome, man. Thank you, man. Very tall. 6-5. 6-5 made my husband look very short.

6-2? Yeah, I think sometimes on screen I don't look as tall as I am. No one does. No one does. Well, the thing about reality TV in general is that, they cast tall men. Like in reality TV world, six two is is mid. It's it's average. Jimmy was Jimmy Prestonel. He was like, bro, I'm like six foot. He definitely did look very small next to all and stature and size like everything. He looks small because like I mean you got Jimmy Sotos

who's a six four basketball player Ohio State. Me, Yaman also jacked. Even Chris. Chris is kind of jacked too. He's not a small guy. The only thing Chris used to do in the morning, first of he'd be shaving all morning because he gets like changed. He's got that 5 o'clock channel on his chest. He's a hairy dude so he'd be shaving all morning and then he would be doing these like banded bison.

Oh my God. Somebody told you about that. No, we watch it on this show. It's happening. It's like. They did a whole montage of Yeah. He kept leaving like one of the mixers or whatever to like go and do a couple more

curls in the room. I mean, crazy. I say this was love about Chris. because I don't know if Chris was on our show Age of Attraction so we got to know Chris well. That's my guy. I like Chris. He's a fun guy. He does his, and I say this was love. I think some of Chris's quirks comes from a place

of insecurity. As a lot of ours. Thank you. It's a lot of ours. Me too, girls. But he does it in a way that's so silly and so goofy. You're just like, maybe you weren't toxic, you know? But it's like a He's like, he-h-ha-ha. Here's a person.

marry me. It's like the flag is red, but you're like, this is so cute. Florescent, you're red. Yeah, it's a cute. It's a good shade. I guess if you like fluorescent stuff, but yeah. You came into perfect match and you were a hot commodity. You were definitely like a lot of the women had their eyes on you.

And you locked in with Marissa very quickly. Or you could say Marissa locked in with you. Well, she did whisper to you. If you don't choose me, I'll fucking kill you. Oh, okay, we got it. He's like, oh, God, you heard. Okay. He was like, I thought I was going to die.

Now, before we say anything else, we love Marissa. We've had the pleasure of interviewing her. We have met Marissa in person. She is a lovely person. We also love her mom for standing up for her on love is blind. Her mom, I believe, if my memory serves, has served for our country. She has. Both of them as well.

As Marissa. So there is a certain level of grit behind there. And I don't think we quite saw that because on Love is Blind, we saw Marissa. I forgot what his name was, but we all hated him. Ramses. Ramzes. Yeah, the guy who, like, weirdly was pressuring her. Yeah, that's right.

He was pressuring her. And so then now we see Marissa with a completely different man, you. This kind of, you bring in a great energy as well. You're a giant man, but also a soft soul. And I've known you for 30 seconds. It was interesting to see Marissa, as I described to Allison when we had a pleasure of interviewing doing her that she was bringing, don't ever leave me because I'll find you energy from wedding crashers. How was it in the house with Marissa? Yeah, how did your relationship start?

And it did seem to kind of get a little argumentative and toxic fairly quickly. And you seemed a little uncomfortable with that. Yeah, I've been through these things before, man. I don't really like, I'm not a toxic guy. I am a person that if I have an issue, I can talk it out. I was very attracted to Marissa. At first, when I first came in there, she was probably her and Allison, because Allison came in with Marissa, I believe. They were both very attractive to me. So I was like, okay, all right. Well, I can see what's up with either one of them. And then me and Marissa just clicked naturally, even like right at the beginning with a little mixer where everybody was kissing each other. There's a lot of kissing everybody in this show, man. I feel kind of disgusting.

I'm not a lot of swappling. But anyway, I'll stop being in German folk for a second, so I'll give back to a story. It is different, though. You have to make out with a lot of people at once. It really takes the love out of it.

10 people? Yeah. Yeah. Damn. And like, it had to be like 20 minutes. 10 people. Oh my God.

I was like drinking mouthwash. No, because by the 10th person, you're getting like that after kiss taste. Yeah. Especially if somebody else isn't handling, doing their part of like the mouthwash or mints or gum or something. We got it.

Yeah. You're all professional. You got a lot of. White. Wine breath? Ooh. Yuck. You think white wine's worse than red

In my experience The sadness you just had I see you like reminiscent over there Well well I learned this lesson In my first time on TV Don't drink red wine Because there I did a confessional

And I was like Nick I had rotten teeth There was all stained red I never thought about it anyway I digress It's gross either way So you were making out with everyone Yeah making out with everyone

That was not that was fun But it wasn't at the same time But anyway, me and Marissa, we did have a really good connection. I felt like we were clicking really fast and maybe that's why it got so, like, a little argumentative and, like, toxic. And we would talk through it. Obviously, like, it would be stuff where it's off camera and stuff. And then we would be back good. And then the next time another challenge hits something or somebody else comes in, it's like, boom, right back to it.

And I don't have an issue with really being, like, an insecure person. I'm very solid and in myself, especially to the surface. Like, you're not going to be able to really find that out. you like it to know more things. I think that sometimes the threat of the looming possibility of somebody else coming in like interrupting or taking me from the situation or even just going on a date sometimes would be a little hard.

And you know, and what's cool about, I guess, watching you and Marissa is because I think a lot of people watching it could relate to their own relationships. Because like, you know, sometimes as arguments with couples, it comes, again, it comes from a place of insecurity. You can feel it and you want to calm your partner down, but at the same time, you want someone to kind of meet you at your level.

Yeah. And trying to find that balance must be very difficult when, even though it might feel like you've known each other forever, you don't in this environment. So how did you juggle both feeling this connection with Marissa versus maybe some of these little red flags that kept popping up? Well, let me ask you, how did it look like I juggled it? Pretty well. Pretty well?

Yeah. Okay. All right. It didn't feel like I did. It felt like sometimes I was. A little bit too far in the path of like, you know, we can just fix this instead of it being like, I'm actually trying to cater to the situation or like what you're feeling in the moment. And I think sometimes that's more important. Yeah.

And that's something that I learned about myself is just being a man. I'm like, I'm solution based first. Like we can just, I'm not leaving. Like it's cool. You know what I mean? Like I just want to go have a conversation or this person wants to take me on a day. Why not? You know, what are we here for?

Yeah, you are on perfect match. We're on perfect match. You're trying to find your perfect match. Exactly. I can't do that if it's like the match that I'm with isn't even like we'll talk about it and be like, yeah, it's cool. If somebody comes in, go, do what you want to do. If you want to go on a date, that's fine. We're locked in right now.

But if you want to go do that, I'm not going to tell you no. Yeah. But then somebody comes in. It's like. End of the world. World War III every time. It's like, bro, what am I going to do? I want to go in sequential order here.

When you eliminated Chris for. for as they say being the most insincere or less sincere. First of all, I thought you made the right decision. Okay. But how did you guys come to that decision to eliminate Chris over Jimmy? Because it ultimately was yours. It was ultimately me at the end that had to say, you know what, Chris? Like, I think, yeah, I think it's you.

But I didn't know any background. So for me, I'm just seeing Chris as like this guy that we were talking about. He's like, I hate to put these words, bro. But like, this is the best way I can say it is like a little love by me. Like, first, it's very forward. He's knowing what he wants immediately. So that's all I'm seeing. Okay, he came in.

Kiss McKinsey. They went to bed at like six. So I'm like, okay, maybe this is really what he wants, right? And then Kayla came in and they really connected immediately. But they're like, bro, you aren't trying at all. You haven't even spoken to anyone else, had a conversation. with anyone else. And once she was like,

Marissa was like, DeMari, like, think. Look at the situation. I'm like, well, at least Jimmy's been talking to everybody. He's going to try to at least figure it out.

So, man, that was a hard one. Like, I don't know if you can see. I was stressed. Well, Marissa also said

I'm not, sending. I'm not going home. Yeah. Really? I don't even remember that. That's crazy. But do you feel like

even though Marissa was really going hard for Jimmy? Yeah, yeah. That's her boy. But like, do you feel like it was truly your decision or do you feel like it was Marissa's decision through you? It was Marissa's decision through me for sure. Okay.

When I thought back on it, when I was sitting there, I'm like, that's the best decision to make, honestly. She did make the right. She made the right decision. Like, I'm not too stubborn to be like, okay, maybe I'm wrong here or just listen to my partner in the situation. Sometimes they know. Like, do you think that you would have explored any sort of path with Catherine had you

and Marissa not been? so locked in? Me and Catherine are so close as like friends that that's such uncharted waters uncharted territory that I don't know if that would even work honestly but I would have if me and Marissa weren't locked in or like she came in second or whatever

I would have picked Catherine to stay at least for her to be able to have an experience and figure out who she's... Do you think that's kind of Catherine's let's say kryptonite where she seems I mean she's obviously a beautiful person but she also kind of comes and by her own definition is like weird and goofy.

And do you feel like she reads as everyone's like pal and friend and almost like takes herself off the table in a like romantic way? Because it was surprising to see her having a hard time. Kind of really connect with any guy there. I don't know. I don't think it's her fault. I think these dudes were scared, man. Like she's too attractive.

Like when she came in, it was like everybody's looking like, oh, hell no. I need to like guard my man. You know what I mean? So she came in and everybody's timid a little bit because they're like, yo, like, my girl, we're already talking about, like, basically, like, I can't leave. So in Catherine's a smoke show. So it's tough for you to not pick her if you're somebody that is actually like on the list or like she's find you attractive. Who would you have picked if you and Marissa weren't so locked in? Kayla.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. So was that a bummer to see her? be sent home? Like, was that going to be an option for you or were you? We didn't even, me and Kayla had just, like, barely had any type of conversation because she saw how Marissa was as well. But we also were just, like, talking shit to each other. So she walks in, she tells me she's from Portland. I'm like, ugh. She's like, what the fuck? He's like, where are you from?

I said, Indianapolis. She said, eh. Yeah, we had a really good banter. And I think that just, made us kind of notice and be like, hmm, is there anything? I don't know. And then I know you guys saw the mixer and then we got to have a conversation there. Speaking of the mixer, I was a bit surprised that Marissa,

after like really locking you down and setting your boundaries and really like letting you know how you're supposed to move, kind of leaned into like, you know, with the mixer, it's always like, we're playing spin the bottle, we're playing truce or dare, like these kid games,

which, you know, I get it's a TV show. Right. But it's always hilarious how everyone in these groups are like, oh, well, I guess we're playing spin the bottle. I guess we're just kissing everybody.

My decisions aren't my own. Like, it's like, you know, what am I supposed to do? Oh, my God, I'm not playing the game now. And I was like, yo, Marissa, like, you're like, you're up to Mari's ass, like telling him how he's supposed to move. And like the first chance you get,

you, and she was very, up front about it. She told you right away, but she was, she was kind of so dismissive of how she moved. Did you feel, like,

not to use the word, now, I hate to use those words, but like since it's 2026, did you feel a little gaslit in that moment where you're like, almost where you're like, did you want to say something

or did you want to like ask more questions about that? But like, it just seemed like she bows through that confession in a way where you were like, yeah, you know,

it was a game. Anyways, I'm sorry. This was the moment where she was like, she got very upset. She kind of started talking about like her trauma response and how she feels abandoned at, you know, like it kind of got into like that sort of territory. So yeah, what was your reaction? I think the space just exposed a lot of small things that you don't really get to see in two weeks, three weeks. to go back to your question first

I think for me I wasn't actually chirping or doing anything in the games because had my mixer not went how it went if my ex wasn't in there or even if she was I would have been kissing people too like it is what it is I mean we're here to have a good time it's cool so

I wouldn't have been kissing people on the side now that is interesting that's too far I feel like Now, if you're doing it in the game, spin the bottle, whatever. It lands on you and another person, y'all kiss, whatever. But if it's like too much, obviously I'm going to get to see. But I wasn't really upset with that because we kind of talked about it a little like, well, if something happens in there and on that way, if it happens outside of the game,

then that's a different story. Okay. I don't know. This is not my girlfriend. Like, I can't be mad at you for doing something. You're not my girlfriend. Yeah, you're like partners. We're also arguing all the time.

It's like, what were you guys arguing about someone? much. Oh my God, I don't know. Even then now, I was so confused. I'm like, where is this coming from? Why are we always arguing? And I think I just pick really spicy women, man. I think my calmness I was just going to ask that. Yeah. I get that. Yeah. Do you feel like you seem grounded? You feel you very calm, in control of your emotions. And have you found that maybe some of the people you've dated? Almost that it, it brings up. Like the her, like if you don't. Don't pick me, I'll kill you. Yeah.

That kind of thing. Like why are you so calm, Amari? Right. That should have been like, red flag. Let me get away from this. I'm like, hmm. Interesting. No, I get it.

I get it. It's the fluorescent red light we're talking about. I love that. Oh, she has an opinion. What was it like? Were you, how shocked were you to see Bree come in? Or did you kind of anticipate that might happen? I anticipated that it might.

Because we don't have, we didn't have a, like a button to our relationship. Nothing ended it in terms of reality TV. So I was like, I don't know if they would be that messy, but then I'm like, this is reality TV. The goal is to be messy. You know? So I'm like, I don't know, maybe she'll be here, maybe she won't.

But when I walked in and all 10 people came in and she wasn't in there, I was like, you know, I had big sigh relief. But when I saw it, I was interesting because we wanted to. the first challenge. I'll see her on the board and I'm like, she's not getting in here. Not on my watch. I won. Why would I let you here? You got to figure it out another way. You said at the singles, like when she walked in, you're so funny on camera. Yeah. What do you mean by that? She said, she said, you're so funny. I don't know how it's been for you guys. If you ever just seen an ex in passing and you're like, oh, I know what I'm going to do when I see this person,

you know, I'm going to react. I'm cool. Like you said, I'm calm. I've collected. I got this, right? A hug. We hadn't even, like, we were not on good terms at all. And for me to be like, just trying to extend the olive branch without actually saying anything or having a conversation at all, because we hadn't spoke since we ended things in February of last year. So it, uh, that was, that was funny of me to do. It was very funny of me.

And it seemed like just reading the tea leaves of your conversation, ultimately the demise of your relationship was like, this. kind of lack of communication or it was kind of almost like it seemed a lot like your relationship with Marissa where it almost felt like you were constantly on your heels but you never really understood why you were always having to defend yourself. Where do you think that comes from? Damn, you almost stumped me there. I don't I don't know exactly. I think for me I'm the type of person that is very communicative until I'm not. Until I'm not. until it's like I keep saying something.

I keep telling you, please stop doing this. Please stop doing that. I don't want to be spoken to like that. Don't accuse me of these things. I'm here for you. I got you. Don't worry until it keeps happening. It's like I'm going to tell you I need you to work on this as well.

I need you to help me with this. But at the same time, like I don't want to sound like a victim because I'm also like just as calm as I am, the trigger is good. Like I still can flip it around and be like, yo, I'm not going for. for that right now. Yeah. You know, I didn't establish that part quick,

early enough for it to be like, hey, we're not doing that. And sometimes that, instead of that, I would just close off. And I think that's a part of my problem after a while, not immediately.

When she was like, you know, she's coming at you, she's coming at you. She's like, having said all that, I still love you. Like, whoa.

But you, you were like, I love you too. Now, I imagine you meant it as like, I have love for. I have love for you.

I have love for you. Yeah. I have love for you. Yes. Okay. Yes. Did she take it that way? I don't know.

Okay. We didn't really have that conversation. Well, next time you saw each other, it was y'all were making out. Right. And you was, you put some extra into, huh? Yeah. I made sure. I know who that was.

You're like, and I'm going to give you the best kiss I've ever given you right now. Yep. Yep. I'm an asshole, man. Yeah, he just gave me hell. Yeah, I'm going to give it right back to you. So that's what I'm saying, is that. Do you feel like you felt more understood by her?

Like, did that conversation, was it productive at all? For where we were, absolutely. Okay. I didn't leave from that conversation feeling great at all. It's a lot that happened off of camera. And I left from that conversation feeling terrible. And then I went back, had another terrible conversation. So that night,

was just a lot for me. Was that because you were feeling attacked? Yeah, very much so. There were things that were talked about that shouldn't have ever been talked about on camera in that way. And like family stuff. Okay.

And I really didn't appreciate that. And they had been talked about in other spaces as well. And it just didn't sit with me correct because I would never do that to somebody. Yeah. That put me in a very bad space mentally there. So it was productive in the sense of us

at least having a conversation and me saying to her like, I just didn't want to, like, do this anymore. It was never like I'm cheating or I'm doing anything that's bad to you. I can't do this anymore because we aren't seeing out I, I 98% of the times. Great times when we were good, amazing. Cloud 9. When we were bad, oh, my God.

Like, we don't even speak for a day or a day and a half or something like that. It was not fun. Not because of me. I'm trying to resolve it. I think she talked about breaking up after her grandmother's funeral. Right. And then she saw you at an event and you were like flirting with every girl possible there. What is your recollection of that event?

I did not start to flirting until she left, by the way. Respectful. So. But I had conversations with people. And I think in that space that we were in, she didn't want to see me talking to women. You know, it sounds a little familiar, huh? But we were out and it was a Nix event. And I had got her invited there.

And before I ever got invited, before that she had put somebody else on the RSVP list because I had something to do earlier in the day. So she was thinking maybe I couldn't make it. But the other person still invited me. So I went, it was my friend that invited me and her there. And yeah, I wasn't flirting until she left. But people did contact her and be like, yo, is that your man? Like, what's the outside doing?

Like, he's talking to girls and all this stuff. So I understood. I got where she was frustrated in that moment. Now, what happened after I wasn't too excited about? But, yeah. What happened after? She just went online and was like immediately to the story, immediately to her TikTok, immediately doing all this stuff,

just to try to make it look like I was doing something. It's kind of coming at your character. Yeah, yeah. You know, as men in 2026, I think we're all becoming more, you know, aware of how we come across and how we speak in relationships. And do you ever, like, you're a big guy. You seem like you were, and this is a good way, like really hyper aware of, I don't know, how can I say this? But like, I think sometimes in reality TV men aren't given the benefit of the doubt. You know, it's a generally a woman audience. And do you, do you,

are you aware of that? Are you feeling that? Because it feels like you are, or is that just how you are in life where you are very calm, but I think you're, you seem careful with your words, knowing that your words potentially are in like, it seems like sometimes in these situations with these arguments you were having with the people you were matched with. And it seemed like they care about you, but almost like they wanted to attack you to get you off your toes, but you really never seem to buy, like take the bait. And have you learned that lesson in life? Like, I imagine you've had to learn that the hard way over the years. Absolutely.

Like, growing up as a, first of all, I've always been a big, like, I was a big kid. So I understand the space that I take up. I'm 6'5. I'm 240 pounds. Like, Bree is 5 foot 101.5. Okay. You know what I mean? Like, I can't do too much to this situation, especially not like yelling or physically

or anything like that because, like, what are you doing? Like, this doesn't even, it doesn't actually suit or help at all. Yeah. But like you were saying, I understand the space that I take up. But I also am very careful with my words because of, like, I had anger issues as a child. I grew up in environments that weren't maybe suitable for a kid and had to grow up really quickly. I had to deal with a lot of different emotional spaces and death and all those things. So it made me into a person that when I'm speaking these words, I know how powerful my tongue is.

And I don't want to say something to you that is definite because it's, it's a person. can be you know yeah you seem like a really really good guy man thank you man appreciate i try i mean i'm i'm i fall i do things wrong as well we're all human yeah but it's like you know i think and i and i talk about this there's just so many bad examples of of men on tv uh so it's always good to see someone like yourself who again i think sometimes there's always this the excuse of letting our emotions get the best of us but you you've you've seen you on this show you're an example of someone who can feel triggered, you know, get attacked, but still like take a pause before you speak in a way that, like you said, you're aware of your space. You're aware of how you can come across and you've gotten

to the point of your life where you're not using that as an excuse anymore. You are, you are just owning who you are and how people see you. And then moving forward, which I think is just a great example of maturity and, you know, and getting older. And it's just really cool to see because we don't, especially on like too hot to handle in perfect match. We're just never, it's usually just the exact opposite and we lean into our message. So it's really cool to see, man. Thank you.

I appreciate it. It was hard to navigate it sometimes just because of the space that we're in. And especially like, I don't know you really. Like you don't know me. You don't know what actually triggers me unless I tell you. I don't know what triggers you unless you tell me. So.

Were you all having those deep comments? conversations, maybe at night or off camera. Yeah, we really did. I think that allowed me and Marissa to actually be able to navigate that a little bit better, where I may fall short in some of those moments and she can tell me actually in the moment, like, I don't like that. Don't do that. Or I can be like, oh, please stop talking over me.

Like, there's no way I can have a conversation with you if you're going to continue to talk over me or not even let me finish my statement because the point was right here. Yeah, there was that part where you're like, you keep interrupting me. me and I haven't, you know. I'm being quiet. I'm just like when you guys are talking. I'm sitting here. I'm looking at you.

I'm allowing you to speak. Yeah. That's how a conversation goes. Right? I have to tell Nick all this time. You're like, your turn. No, go ahead. It's your turn.

Right, right. That's a great problem to have, though, because you guys like actually value each other's, you know, like you value each other's space. You value. Yeah. And as I will say, as someone who, like yourself, early in my dating life, enjoyed the company of a spicy woman. it often would turn into

conflict that I was just like what's going on? What are we fighting about? And it was funny. We were watching it and Natalie pointed out that she doesn't do that. Granted, when you're in it, yeah. It's hard. You're fine. But as someone, you know, I don't know where you're in your love journey. I don't know how it ends. Maybe you're with Marissa, maybe you're not. It is possible to find a strong

spicy, you know, confident woman who isn't always argumentative and is comfortable in their skin. And there is, and it took me a lifetime to find it. I think I'm a lot older than you.

But you can, I'm 45. Oh, damn. Amazing. What's that? Sorry, sorry. Kevin Hart. Good damn, good damn. But yeah, it is possible. And it literally took me a lifetime to figure that out.

Because I was always drawn to the, I like the pushback. I like to be challenged. I like to, you know, I'm not doing things to like just have, be put in my place. But I like to know that I want to find my equal. And to find your equal, sometimes I've made the mistake of finding that argumentative person. It's a little too far. Yeah, balance is off. Yeah.

My mom is a spicy lady. You know what I mean? Like she's not going for it. So like I think naturally, just really all the women in my family, they ain't going for it. I've never met like a real passive woman in my life, you know? So for me, I, that's probably why. That's probably one of those reasons why I end up like chasing those types of things. And as my mom has gotten older, she's become a lot more calm.

And like that has helped as well to see like, oh, yeah, okay. Or even just my experiences with women and being in relationships where I'm like, oh, you're not spicy enough. Like, I need a little bit more. I feel like I can do whatever I want to here. I don't want to feel like I can't do anything. But I don't want to feel like I can just get away with anything. You got to not be going for that for me.

That's a real big thing. Like, because I'm not, I'm not like a little jealousy, a little. Not jealousy, but like. Just like someone who's going to tell you exactly what that. You want to be bossed around a little bit. I want you to, I want you to know what you want. Yeah. I want you to know what you don't want as well.

It's like I want someone who's very clear with their expectations. of me, but is consistent with those expectations. Because sometimes it's- It's not, yeah, you're like, what, I'm, huh? I did what thing you told me to do and why is it, you know? Yep. And then when it's not consistent, it feels like it's just argumentative for the sake of being argumentative and that's where I would get lost.

And I've found myself in you a little bit watching it. Yeah, thank you. What's your biggest relationship ick? Relationship ick. My biggest ick in the world period, I don't like when people Like when they when they chew and they chew with their mouth open That's like my biggest thing

That date is not going to go well the rest of the time If you like I hate your mouth open So the other people is like But relationship ick If it's too early and you're like Like babe baby All that like the too sweet talk

Too early You don't like pet names early on No I doesn't like baby talk period I just tell like baby talk You don't like it at all Baby talk? Like, not like babies talking.

Not baby talk. But like, like, people call you babe. Oh, I like the pet name. Early? No. Like, yeah, like, it's kind of weird. It's like, so you're doing that to everybody. Wait till you know me.

Babe. Yeah, and what world am I your babe yet? That's not, we're not there. Yeah. Or even like a love bomber to love, love too early. Like somebody saying I love you too early. That really bothers me. You're insane.

Yeah. I agree. Hard agree. Yeah. I feel like you've gotten that a lot. I have, yeah. I don't like it. I don't like it.

They're not, I'm trying to lock him down. I've ended some some situation ships because of that a few times. I don't like those things. Yes. Yes, yes. I don't like it, man. It's not cool.

It's not cool. Because you don't. You don't, because I feel like love is so almost not exactly unconditional, but it's there. It's right on that line. How fuck you know that after two months? You don't know that. Unconditional in two months? That's crazy.

I really, really, really, really. like you and really enjoy the way you make me feel and like spending time around you but that's a different thing that's completely different yeah i do that as well i like that as well when you're not making good tv what are you doing uh what do you do for like work what what is modeling acting and i make music as well okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i got to rap a little bit on too hot to hand okay uh what would be your dream acting role hitch okay okay a modern day hitch that uh i absolutely love Will Smith. So I would play any role that Will Smith has played, even Wild Wild West.

You know he gave up the Matrix for that. He could have been Neil. Never mind, actually. Who's your dream feature? Dream feature. Okay, we'll just go with my favorite artist. Jay Cole. Day Cole.

Do you hear that, Jay Cole? Jay Cole or Alicia Keys. Oh. Yeah. That would be fire. Well, Damar, it's been a fun, fun time getting to know you. I wish you the best luck the rest of the way, whether it's you and Marissa, happy for you too, if that's how it happens.

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I'm just going to go to Wayfair because I know I can find the exact piece that I'm looking for in the exact dimensions. And you know what I did? I found a beautiful couch matching coffee table. And now that- What a great guy. Very kind. Very kind. He is very kind. Yeah. I always say when people walk in the room and address everybody around them, like he did that. Yeah. He's a catch. Yeah. It's understandable why Marissa was like, if you don't match with me, I'll fucking kill you. The first five seconds they sell each other. We would all. do it. We would all do it. Well, Danny Darko is, I'm so confused, you know, like, it's also frustrating that, you know, Janet is going to feel vindicated. I tried to say, like, even to my friend, she was like, I guess Janet was right. And I was like, well, maybe Jasmine. I don't know. Like, someone else. I think it was just that Janet interjected herself in a situation that she wasn't involved in and made it about her. So that's why she was annoying for that. But it is like, you are semi-validated because Danny's behavior is...

I think with Janet for me, it comes like I just, it doesn't feel like she has good intentions for people. I don't feel like when she is calling anyone out, it's coming from a place of, yo, like, hey, I don't think you should act this way. She has been accused multiple times of like digging up dirt on people. And all I have to say is, if that's true, I just think that's one of the most deplorable things. things anyone in reality TV can do for to weaponize your past or mistakes that you've made, especially if you have tried to like write your wrongs and do your work. And if, if Janet is actually doing that, if she is just constantly going on Reddit and reading rumors about people, whether true or not, and then throwing it in their face at its most convenient time, maybe she's not doing it. She hasn't fully, she hasn't really denied it.

And so whether she's right or wrong about Danny, I think that's the thing that's hard to digest when it comes to Janet because I think that's this really cruel behavior, if that has happened. I think she had the right intentions, but went about it the wrong way. And that's why last season people were like, why are you budding into this?

But this season, we're like, okay, like, we've all now experienced this and seen it. But even the conversation she had with Lacey, where Lacey was like, I don't appreciate the mean girl behavior. You said you read on Reddit that I auditioned and made fun of me for auditions, for real house but then she did her ITM her confessional and said I did audition for the housewives she did but I'm like why is that something to make fun of Janet just because Lacey wasn't hurt by that and she owned it doesn't mean that Janet's intention wasn't to try to hurt her and that's the thing is Janet is trying to hurt people to make herself if if that's what's happening yeah and by the way I love Lacey but I did giggle when she was like I did try out for it and also I'm like you did send the cease indiscis so I'm like Janet wasn't lying with that stuff but she did go about it in a way that I was like, you didn't have to bring that up.

Exactly. Yeah. I do like Lacey. I actually do too. But I do like Lacey being like, like, apologize. I hated that. That was awful. That was the most annoying.

If Nick and I are ever in a public setting with a bunch of people and he thinks I did something wrong, you better pull me aside. You better get in the car with me when we are alone and be like, call that person later. The way that she's like, apologize right now. Apologize right now. It felt like she's talking to her toddler who just threw a block. and hit somebody in the head and like not her partner who she sees as her equal. It felt so.

But you just nailed it. You just nailed it on the head. That's why this is an interesting relationship to watch. She does not like him at all. No, she likes Jesse. It's just very, come like. I think they like each other. Okay.

Well, he breathes wrong. They're not even married. And he breathes wrong. And she's like, oh, you pissed me off. Figure it out. I think it's a little performing. I think if when she is like, when she used, like, it was last episode and she's like, well, that was just triggering for me.

and she kept trying to like have a fight with Jesse in front of the group about how Jesse that felt it felt like a scene. Yeah, she's, I'm sorry. I think that she's somebody that's made for reality television. Okay, let me revise. I think there are a real couple because we met them at Hulu Garil. But I do think there probably was a little bit of like when she told her to apologize, I think Michelle gave her the branch and she was like, okay, I'm going to take the branch and like,

I'm just going to say the opposite of what Justin's saying that I'm like, if the girl wanted to be on Orange County Housewives and had to settle as Jesse Lolley's girlfriend on the valley, then this is the behavior that we're getting and the attitude that we're getting. It is 32 flavors. It makes sense. She wanted to be on Bravo. She got on Bravo. Not the way she wanted to. Also, the way that she, I know this is the last episode, but the way that she was like, the things that you texted Jesse about me, you said that I was ugly and that I had too much filler and Botox and this. Then they showed the screenshots of the text. Literally did not say that. It did say like, If you're going to bring women around that are going to be my child step-monged.

It was definitely not nice, but it wasn't like she's ugly. That's why I love her. It's because she's saying things that are not true. And then it's like she backtracks it or it's the exact opposite. She's like, this is how you made me feel because this is what you didn't say. But I read it and I know. And it's just like, I don't know. Fucking Bravo.

This episode was like as much as I want to try to like empathize and defend Danny and I don't think we know everything. It is really hard to watch like the doubling down, the tripling down. when Nia's literally trying to give him every moment of like, don't say anything, don't say anything. We're still on camera. We're still miced and him just still saying him being like, why would you say that about me now? Now you're saying things about me.

It's like, no. The thing I don't get about this relationship because I respect that Nia and Danny are handling their business outside of the group, so to speak. What? I don't. No. I liked it more.

And I feel like I said this last season, the season before, how I do like that when they have issues that like they try not to really explode on camera, that they try to keep it between the two of them as much as possible. I do appreciate that. What I don't appreciate, and it's kind of the same I feel like when parents will fight in front of their kids

and then they'll have like this huge knockout, drag out, fight, yelling whatever in front of their kids and then maybe they make up before bed. and the next morning they're like, hey, honey, and like act like everything. I feel like you have to show the makeup. You have to show what brought you back together for your kids, obviously, to like see how you work through problems. But it's like you have to, you can't show us this like crazy fight where you're the most

disrespectful to your wife. You're not helping at all with your children. And then we just like, what did you say to make up? Did you apologize? I completely agree with that because recently everyone is now talking about the fact that Danny was booked for Watch What Happens Live. I think he was supposed to hear what, I don't know, this week or whatever. And he opted out and he blamed it on an opportunity that he got in L.A. And whether that's true or not, I'm just like, if I'm Danny, I want to speak on this, right? Like, maybe it's the

drinking. I don't know. But like, you can't blame this just on the edit. And I, I want to give Danny the benefit of the doubt that like it seems to be some kind of drinking problem. I, you know, and maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm reading the situation. Maybe it's deeper than that. Maybe he's a bad guy. I don't know. Maybe Lala's right and that Nia should leave him. I felt like that's a little too far, but who knows? But like, you know, I think we've all had friends that when they take some shots, they get fucking weird and nasty. Like they turn into a different person. And if that's all Danny is, it's still wrong. But like, if that is what it is, what are you doing taking shots on camera with this group. If you're Neo, like, if you have this relationship or you're helping

each other out and you don't want to expose some of your like deeper issues on camera, what, why are, what is going on with what are you filming? And that makes you change your behavior. That makes you seem like a real fucking asshole to your wife. Lala said that too. Lala was like, I don't know everything, but what I'm seeing. But if the drinking is the problem, why why continue to drink? And it's just like for me, though, the issue that I have is, like, last episode, not this past episode, but last episode when they were on the safari where obviously his wife is stressed out, exhausted, their baby, she's hot, the baby's hot, and all she's asking is like, hey, you know, clip in, just, just can you help me find something to fan our baby with? And he's

just like acting so annoyed, so irritated, so like, ugh, like, why did we bring a babysitter? And it's like, she just had a baby. Like, she's not ready to hand off her child for eight hours a day so that she can give you more attention. And when he said that his gripe was because he needed more attention. I'm just like, who's the child here? You've had four kids back to back. Let her attend to her kid and you actually show up and be there so that she has the energy to give that to you. But that was bonkers that he said that because the episode before that one when they're at the roller coasters and she's like, I'm so excited to spend time with you. And he's like, this is feeling very performative. It's like, so which is it? Do you want and she can't win or not?

And to circle back Natalie to what you said. Like I feel like Nia and Danny were attempting to try to give us the like resolution part of it, but then Danny somehow maneuvered it in a way where now Nia's apologizing for bringing something up on camera when it's like, why is she apologized? Why is she apologizing for stating that you have shitty behavior and that it needs to change? For acknowledging it after you were talking to her for like an hour. And yelling at Lala and yelling at your wife. And that's a thing where I'm like, if you can't keep that in the box in the sense to where maybe this isn't what like, because I do hate when people kind of go into the whole like,

Well, then imagine what's happening behind closed doors because like let's not make it seem as if somebody is like scary abusive. Lala was kind of doing that. You know what I mean? Where I'm just kind of like if they have the audacity, a lot of the times when if people have the audacity to do that in front of people, it's usually like this is what it is. Yeah, Lala's clearly projecting her life choices onto Nia and Danny. Exactly. Exactly. And I'm just like I think that Danny has an issue with drinking and his behavior. and I think he needs to seek some attention for that.

But I don't think that Nia would be in love with this man that's completely abusive. Yeah, again, like it can be, I completely agree with you. But the thing that is concerning in a weird, like, is that the fact that he is avoiding speaking on this tells me he doesn't want to address it,

doesn't want to acknowledge it. It wouldn't be that hard to just, whether it's watching what happens live, comes on a podcast, whatever. I hope we get a chance to speak with, with them to just say, yo, yeah, this is not my best self. And it was hard to watch me. Like, it should be really easy for any guy, whether you, like, have some excuses or editing to just say, that was hard to watch me speak to my partner that way. And that is not who I want to be or who I

am. And like, I did it. I have to own it. But that is not, I think that is an ugly version of me. Even like with Kyle last night, we're, you know, on the episode, I think he was crying the confessional. We've, you know, we've criticized Kyle at nauseam, but like, yes, it was humanizing to hear him say, like, my actions have really caused me to be in this place I am today. And whether I have my excuses or not,

I have made some of these choices and I have to own that. And that is humanizing. And that is like, you know. But it is also really frustrating to, this is season after season, something we've seen with Danny. And I don't know if they just maybe don't watch the episodes back. But like, how could you have not watched last season and be like, oh, I see the issue. Got it.

All right. Cool. Locking in. How are we back here again for another season? Yeah. Because he got accused of grabbing another woman inappropriately. And a lot of people, including all of us for like. We know that's not okay, but this feels like maybe a one-off and like it seems like the people

talking about are really trying to milk it. To that, whatever though, it's still a really, really terrible thing to be accused of or to even suggest that you did that. And for any person, it should mortify them that, like, that they're being discussed in that manner. And to that point, you would think that would be like all the wake-up call you would need to like going forward on camera. to just be like, I should probably not fucking take shots.

What did Nia say? She said, I think it just was the same thing of saying that he had a, like a gig. I just saw his story post. I mean, everybody just thinks that he's failing on it because, yeah, he doesn't want to speak to his behavior. I mean, Nia just confirmed that he had like a gig. And I also wonder, too, because I'm like, I just remember last season to defending Danny just in the sense that I was like, how can we be so hard on Danny when we have Brittany sitting here talking about jazz? throwing her in rose bushes.

And when you're comparing the two behavior where obviously you shouldn't be comparing situations, but when you have somebody that is so outwardly disruptive in his behavior in how he talks to his wife, whatever, then it's like you're not really looking at Danny as like the biggest problem. Now having Jack's being removed from this season, I do think that it definitely like spotlights Danny in a different way because I'm like Jesse and Michelle are no longer fighting so ugly with each other. like they were the last season that made it almost unbearable to watch. Brittany might as well be a guest or like a friend of on this show because Jacks is no longer on it.

So it's like the main focus right now is this like perfect marriage that we've seen for the first two seasons. And then it's like kind of almost feels like it's like their time to be spotlight. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah, but it does it doesn't feel like it's manufactured. It feels very like like the curtain's been lifted or something. You know what I mean?

Like where Jacks has stepped away. and then it's like, oh, wait, Danny and Nia don't have this, like, perfect marriage. To me, you see that with, like, the drag, not the drag, I guess, like, the pageant scene. But it was like, the cameras are always looking now at, like, Nia, Danny and Lala. Like, that's what they were focused on, but you're catching so much. Like, why would they be looking at all the other men when they're just, like, in a fun situation? I don't know. Because I'm like, now I see where, like, Brittany kind of feel like she got reprimended or whatever last season

because she brought up Danny's drinking and then everybody yelled at her. her at the table and said she was jealous and angry. So they talked about it. Zach brought it up, which is interesting. Yeah. Saying that Britney's never liked Mia. I was like, I don't know. Has she never liked Mia or has she been trying to look out for Nia?

And it kind of feels like the other cast members too are kind of trying to show that last season. Then it's like they aren't perfect. But I don't know like, I don't know why Danny would then lean into it. Like if you are around people that you don't feel safe with, if you're around people that you think inflate your behavior, then why would you go get blackout and then start saying things out the table towards Janet. Yeah, I just wish that this, I think the valley comparing it to like in the city.

Like I, maybe it's just me because like I relate, and like when Kyle's talking about, you know, like his business struggling. Like that's really relatable stuff. I want to hear more about like it seems like the valley is always just going from relationship to relationship to try to expose each relationship. Like to be something that it's not. Yeah. I just like, I find that to not be that. Like, transitioning to Summer House, there was that moment when Kyle and Amanda were talking about, I don't know, I forget which one conversation, but I think it was the one outside the house.

And they're like, we've had some of our best and some of our worst memories of our lives. And that is real shit, man. Like, a marriage or any relationship that lasts a decade, like, I think it was Lindsay Hubbard not too long ago, like when this Amanda, when this Amanda came up. out. And she's like, if you, like, our personal lives are, there's way more drama than we share. And that's so true. Because like, even reality TV stars have their limit to like the every little detail they're going to share about their lives. And the truth is is every relationship and all of our lives are messy. There's no such thing as a perfect relationship. Even the best ones have to fight to keep their relationship going and have to put in the work. And I, you know, I'm not saying this

because of what is the what's really but like I can only imagine the shit that Kyle and Amanda have had to deal with together to survive a relationship on camera public scrutiny and that's the real shit and it's just like it's I'm hoping that in the city like you know shows me like that was that in the in the season preview and he calls his best friend that he gets introduced to his best friend the bar owner and he says you're the Bernie Madoff of the of the of a high hospitality. Like that is, first of all, like a crazy thing to say about your alleged best friend. Bertie Maynoff is a con artist and he destroyed many people's lives through like stealing all their money. So I don't know where that comes from. Maybe that's, but like I'm interested in that aspect of like the

of these relationships and how work and relationships like really affect these people's lives in a way that the valley seems to have a hard time tapping into. To your point, I think it's a lot of people who have their main focus is like their relationships and like obviously it's like influencer work which like good great and whatever but I'm like they don't really have things going on that they can share about I just even remember a season with Jacks where he was like did an

event for like bald premature balding or something but it was like at least Jacks remembered that like hey I should be pushing a product that's a good point you know what I mean like it was like they're in limbo which to me summer house kind of also felt like it was in limbo because it was just like the same situationships and like fuck boys and same You had people like starting companies or like wanting to do a bathing suit line or like dealing with intense debt and and or going bankrupt.

And it's just like these are real life issues that like people in our bracket and our age group, it's like if you're not dealing with it now, you may deal with it in the future. You're going to have a friend that deals with this versus like a do you like me or do you not like me? Do you like her? And it's like too grown to watch this kind of scenario go back and forth. But that's why in the city I think is so good. 100%. I want to watch people with real jobs with real opinions that have real. insults. God bless the fight between Carl and Kyle, but like you six foot five motherfucker,

if that's the worst thing you can come up with versus you're the Bernie made off of hospitality. Also, I forget her name. Sorry, I'm getting to know this cast, but Lindsay's friend, the dermatologist, who has like Georgina. Georgina, I'm so locked into her. Like, she has more than one kid and her husband left her. We don't know why. She is a business owner. She is like surviving in New York with kids who like, oh my God, like poor, I'm locked into this person. Oh my God. When she opened and she's like, I lost my shit, you know. For her change of clothes. No, I'm like, I lookie want to be a dermatologist in my next life. But I saw that and I was like, now I know what to get. She was like casual outfit, black tie. Chanel purse. Yeah. Like just in your cabinet and your

Durham. Okay. You just never know when you're going to get the call in New York. I usually, when I go to those places, I usually take a couple of, like, cotton swabs and so now I know there's a Chanel in the back. Dare I say that in the city is just Housewives repackaged. I think that's why I enjoyed it. But it feels better than Housewives. Like Housewives felt, I don't, it just felt so seamy and it felt so, like, just these weren't friends. I don't know. It just didn't feel as genuine to me in this. Like, Lindsay going after Kinney and being like, listen, I'm just meeting this guy. Like, I'm just asking you very surface level questions. And if you're getting defensive, that's a you problem. Like, that's so real of just like meeting someone for the first time and being like, he's like, this is giving I hate men.

She's like, I'm just annoyed by men or something. Good point. Because also Andrea and Danielle being a part of this cast to me shows like these were the friends that were all in Summerhouse that stayed friends and became friends. And now they're real friendships. And then what does Danielle like? relationship. Who is this guy who as soon as they started talking about it. She's like, I've known him for nine years. Then we like both went our separate ways, got into relationships. This is like her version of the story. And he's like, yeah. And then we re-conindle. And that sounds like very sweet and

and very innocent and very like rom-comish. Dating for six months. There is like, listen, like if you go on reality TV, your life changes obviously. And like a lot of, you know, and people treat you a little bit differently. And like a lot of the people you know, if they're like, you're like, you're like, your tight group of friends, like your acquaintances in like your, your circle, like, they get kind of weird around you. And, and if they've ever had a desire to do what you did, which is to like go on reality TV or get some kind of public profile, they can get weird and hard to trust you. So like my spider senses went up when he was like, oh, you knew she, he knew you before you were like famous. And now, now you're on a TV show. And all of a sudden,

her back together and here he is on a TV show. And then here Amanda is being like, yeah, and he's married. And he's married. Isn't that better, though, that if he knew her before? Also, Rich Amanda. I don't know. Listen, maybe it means nothing, but it just makes me wonder if he's there for the right reason, so to speak, where it's just like, what was the draw for him to reach back out? Well, he got her pregnant, so.

I thought he looked sweet. I was like, okay, this is like one of the people you knew in your past. Like, and like, he came back because it actually was a relationship that, like, makes sense. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. Did you see the tweet that was Kenny being like, she's such a doll, like, you know, talking about Whitney. She's such a doll and such a little angel.

And then Whitney being like, I love him so much. I moved here from the middle of nowhere to New York City. And it shows a picture of Jacks Taylor and Brittany. Oh, I didn't clock that. It was just some tweet that went viral. But like so funny because I hope not. It's like Whitney has been a successful influencer for a very long time and lived out here. So, like, that's where I'm like, no, you're not from city to city.

The way that she makes it sound, though, is as if, like, he, like, plucked her out of obscurity in Michigan. I didn't hear that. And I was like, wait, where is she from? Because it was like, to me, I got the vibe that she was L.A., but it sounded you're right. Yeah, she's 100%. But whatever. Do we, honest question, this is not meant even to be snarky or mean, but watching the summerhouse. Mm-hmm.

And watching the whole Sierra in West Dynamic and, again, the kiss. And then, like, Jess. and then West's trying to pull her into the bed and Jesse being like, yo, dude, if you, Jesse Solomon of all people giving like solid based relationship advice, which is like, yo dude, you have to be 100 and 10%. Not even 100.

You got to throw an extra 10. He's like, I know. And like, is West Wilson emotionally stunted and stupid? And I'm not saying that to be cruel or mean. Or is he that Machiavellian where he just like, he knows,

what he's doing but doesn't give a fuck because at this point it is so and Kyle references on watch what happens live it's just like the way he talks about like oh you know I didn't want to hurt her when we you know when we try to date casually and like as Kyle pointed out on watch what happens life what about Sierra makes you think that she is interested in anything casual with you like what are you again are you are you that dense or do you just not give a fuck. I don't think he gives a fuck. Yeah, I was like he does not give a fuck. He's not stupid. And like, I'm sorry, I know a friend of show, love him dearly. But like, it reminds me of every time Tom Schwartz would get caught for cheating or something. And he'd just be like, I am, I just like, you know,

like, it was just like a bad moment. Like you, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't think about it. And it's like, but how many times can you do the same thing over and over again and just not think about it? Or maybe you should stop drinking or like do something different where I'm like, West takes zero accountability for anything he does. And then the second he gets confronted, he can talk shit behind his podcast, Mike, or on his little TikTok, but then it's the second that he's confronted face to face with somebody just being like, let's have a conversation. He's just like, I don't.

It's the amount of times he said like that I'm like, okay, you're playing a character. Yeah, like you want to play this like, oh, I'm a little boy that doesn't know what decisions I'm making so you can't really be mad at me, but I'm like, you make big destructive decisions. You're going to have to deal with big destructive fallout. He's literally telling Ben to like tell his girlfriend to

chill out on playing Cupid and then like 10 minutes later he's making it. That's why I think he's doing it on purpose. That was a very, that conversation with Ben, it didn't look like he was hammered. It looked like it was probably at the beginning of the party. Like he looked like a very sober, self-aware, honest conversation.

And then to then have him say all of that and then make out with Sierra and then canoodle with her and then try to pull her into his bed. It's just like you, you know, you know what you're doing. And for Kyle, watch what happens live being like, West did that. I think it was asked like about the, do you think it was physical back then or just emotional? And he was like, I think it was just emotional. But I think West did certain things that like he knew would like pull Amanda in essentially.

I said this when the when the scimanda first started. I wanted to know who seduced who because I really do think that matters. Like when you have like so who started the relationship. who started reaching out, who started texting, who started showing more of an interest. I really, really think that matters. And it doesn't, again, excuse Amanda. But when we're going back and watching these scenes and we're seeing these intense moments, these beautiful moments between Sierra and Amanda, this like strong woman, friendship,

I don't think that she was like lying through her teeth. I mean, who knows? But like, and I just feel like Amanda, and again, it's not an excuse. It's just like just to understand because like we we all have made really bad decisions that we look back and go, what the fuck was I thinking? You know, we have to go get therapy. And then our therapist has to and it has to been like, well, you have some childhood trauma. You know, I mean, you were, you know, whatever it is that you have to unpack. But yeah, it's just more like I, it's just like I, I feel like West is he had, again, we've talked about. He's had a roster of people and Amanda that I think that scene between Sierra, Mia, and Amanda.

of her, like, being truly afraid, knowing that she's done with Kyle, like the relationship's over, and probably the thing that kept Amanda hanging out and trying so much wasn't her love for Kyle the relationship, but a true fear of, like, finding something after this relationship

because she's been in it for so long. And then here's this West guy coming in and being nice to her and flirting with her. And I think she just fell for it. I have a follow-up question with this, is is a fuck boy kissing you on the forehead more intimate than a fuck boy kissing you on the lips? Because that's what he would always do to Amanda is like hug her close and then kiss her on the forehead. But then be so much, be recklessly consistent with kissing Sierra on the lips.

But like that's where I'm like, it almost was more intimate what he was doing with Amanda now. I saw Carl, I think it was Carl and watch it up and live being like the way that West touch touches Amanda or anyone that is like, he was like, she is married. way that his hands go like around her waist or on certain part like that just should never happen at all yeah her head her hair that should just never happen between a friend these kind of guys who like play this whole like i'm friends with everyone it's very disarming it's very much it's like i'm a you know they yeah and they're very touchy feely and they like do like cheek kisses with like the girls and they hug and it's just like half of these women are like have boyfriends We're in LA.

This isn't Paris. Like, why are you kissing me on the cheek? There's a lot of guys like that. You're from Michigan. West, he's kind of like does the thing where he's just like, you know, he's just the lover boy. And again, at the end of the, and when everyone's saying I love you, but it started with West and Sierra.

And it's like he shouldn't, I'm not saying he shouldn't like when everyone's saying I love you. It's not like he shouldn't say it back and like make a good moment awkward by being like, well, I'm just saying it as a friend. But that's how he, he, instead of being. cautious about how his actions and words come across as Sierra, he uses that as an opportunity almost to say things that like she is just going to find confusing or misleading. Sierra, do they do this? I mean, is this every season finale where everyone's crying and being

acting like everyone's dead and where they're not going to see each other again? Like, no. It was giving Vanderpump finale. I saw, because I thought the same thing too. I was like, why is everybody crying so hard at this, but I think it's because they obviously knew that in the city was happening. And so I don't think they knew like whether or not everyone's coming back next season. So like this could be some people's last season. So I think that kind of had something to play in it. But I was like, yeah, no, they usually are like, you guys live in the same island. It was sitting around the table before they walked out to me.

You know, y'all are going to run into each other at the coffee shop. Why are we crying? The opening scene of In the City where it's Amanda and Kyle. and they're talking about the West thing and she's like I mean you cheated on me I would never cheering you and like how could you like how would you even suggest that

he's like no I didn't he's like there's a video and he's like okay no no no what he said specifically he says who says who says who's okay that was funny or him saying says who oh that's amazing I think I think Kyle's learned that you know sometimes it's not worth pushing back

you're just like that was true you're right no notes all right I also thought it was really interesting that scene, you know, post-Summer House, pre-dating the Amanda dating West, and you have that walking on the street, again, another great moment where you're walking the streets in New York having a scene, love that, very authentic, not sitting down. And they're getting out of therapy. And they're like, you're catching up with him outside of therapy. And she's like, you came home at 4 in the morning again, you know, like you deep, you know, and it just, I would I really appreciate

about these moments because again regardless of what you think of Amanda and her choices and I just to me it really makes me it humanizes them in a way that just again doesn't justify the actions but explain like I think it humanizes Amanda in a way that doesn't make her like

some evil monster who who's only goal was to get close to Sierra only to fuck her over you know and I don't like I think this is more about Amanda truly struggling with her herself in her relationship with Kyle and her like identity outside of this relationship. And I just felt that was a really interesting moment.

She did both for sure. I think two things can be true at the same time. Like I think that like she, I don't, I don't know. Just the emotional connection between her and West, like it's just hard for me for them to be like, oh, that wasn't an emotional affair where I'm like very much so. You would rather talk to West than talk to your husband while going through things. You're saying that you want to work things out and we're only upset about one thing, but yet, you know, you're upset about the parting, but you chose to marry him.

You said, even when they talked about like, oh, I focused more on the beginning of our relationship and Kyle's more focused on the now where I was like, well, that makes sense for Kyle to be focused on the now because you found out about the cheating or the accusations or whatever and then still accepted a proposal, still went through a marriage, still came back every summer complaining about this husband that's such a problem for you, but you did nothing to fix it or change it. And now you're so checked out and it's just like, I don't know. So that's where I'm like, are we really working on it? Are we just harping on like the one thing versus like talking about all the other things that aren't being addressed on camera? Do you guys like the fact that she decided to separate with him at the anniversary dinner or did that seem like unnecessarily like bad timing?

I just felt like it was kind of mean. Bad timing. Also, I didn't, I mean, it's kind of a nitpicky. But like when she when Kyle was like, all right, well, if I agree to this and she's like, you don't have to agree with it. Well, yeah, you do, Amanda. Yes, you can move out. Kyle's not keeping you prisoner. But you're not just moving out. You're saying, I'm going to move out, but I want us to still be together. I want us to still work on a relationship. You know, like, we're, we're still going to do this. And that's, Kyle does have to agree to that. And, like, give him a fucking chance to, like, process what you are trying to ask him to be okay with. He's not, okay.

Yeah, you want to move out. He is processing whether this is, you're saying it's not the end, but he has a choice to say, well, if you're going to move out, we're done. Yeah. See, and this is what I had an issue with. with that final conversation with Summerhouse and then this conversation as well was that I'm like, you know that you want distance. She was like, oh, when Sierra brought that up and it was surprising to me too, I was like, no, the fuck it wasn't. You were literally a part of that conversation and then acting as if

Sierra was like going out of bounds by saying these things when you're having these conversations constantly saying how unhappy you are, crying on the floor, the whole nine. So it's like you're not telling what, Kyle, the half of how you actually feel in this marriage, in this relationship, but you'll tell everybody else. And then when there's finally some sort of solution, which would be moving out or separating or whatever, it's like, well, this isn't the end of us. This is just how we're going to work on.

And it's like, in what world does any relationship have like a married couple move apart from each other? It's like that is such a rare occasion to where I'm like, it just sounds like you want to break up, but you don't want to lose him entirely. So we're going to keep you on a little leash where it's like, you have full access to me, I have full access to you. We're not broken up,

but like we're not like together. and I don't need to consult you with like my where I'm going and what I'm doing every day. But yet like if I want to see you or I need to feel loved or I need to feel something, I can call you. Can I say for a second? Despite the West and Amanda of it all, we can't knock her necessarily for wanting to baby step out of the marriage, right? Like divorce doesn't just happen like and you move out. So like I think she was afraid to like vocalize exactly what she said. And unfortunately that comes at the detriment of Kyle.

Well, that's what I'm saying though is that I'm like instead of having an actual conversation about your feeling. or how he makes you feel or what this relationship is doing to you. Instead, it was like, okay, because when we're having this conversation with Sierra and Mia, it's I'm done with the relationship. When we're having this conversation with Kyle, it's not a breakup. It's not, it's not. We're just taking time. We're taking space.

And it's like, no, you're literally just breadcoming a breakup, but being like, it's fine. But we're still together. So you don't have to feel weird about it. Maybe she still did think that there was something. Or maybe she was afraid to acknowledge to herself that that was over, which is makes it messed up still. With Justin, like, I don't think there's a perfect roadmap of how to get divorced, and I think you always even want to try to do it differently, you know. But I think it's just more like, I just feel like honesty. Like, you can't sit here where I'm like, and think of how hurt Kyle's going to be watching back this season and seeing how you actually feel, how you actually talk about him versus what you're saying to him to him to keep him on the line, to keep him defending you in public.

So let him talk. Like he wasn't able to talk. Like you just kept cutting him off. And then she says he can't express himself. That's the thing. I was like, I also see that where I'm like. okay, let him at least say his perspective. Didn't before this anniversary dinner where she was like, I'm going to move out?

Didn't we have a flashback scene to where he was like, I think you should move out? Well, no, that was after the therapy session. She said, yeah, he told me to move out. But then the flashback didn't necessarily show that. We saw a flashback of him being like, I can't be in this same house with you and do this with you. Like, you need to move out. The separation. Yeah.

So I guess he did. So, yeah, he did say that. So then we have her at the anniversary dinner being like, yeah. So I'm going to move out. It's like, so I don't feel like this was this like drop of information over Moncella caviar sticks. I do think Amanda's unwillingness to just let Kyle process what he said and make it like her decision to, I think Sierra's point was she was kind of pretending this was like

an idea to fix the relationship. But in reality, deep down, it was like step one of four to like leave the relationship. And maybe she didn't want to admit that to Kyle or herself. I will say like, I keep him failing. I have to like, oh, we're not defending Kyle's actions. But like, I mean, when he was talking about how at one point, and he took people's money, you know, he asked friends and family to invest in his business. And that is meaningful on so many levels.

And to know that at one point, you could have sold that company for 25X their investment. And now you're struggling to survive that. like yeah yeah that is like that'll destroy a guy or person like that's the that feels like the weight of the world when you have like people you're responsible for and salaries and some of these people are people you care about and you know and people trusted you with their money and i mean whenever i'm feeling stressed out about work i am so grateful i have natalie to like just you know feel like i have a partner and i feel like i have someone to like listen to me and and give me ideas and i mean And if Amanda wasn't that for Kyle, I, you know, like, it doesn't justify how he spoke to her, but I get where that anger and resentment and that abandonment feels like because if he was just like, all of a sudden he's on the top of a mountain and then it just got come crashing down. I know we've all mocked the DJing, but if he is, A, making money from it in a space where he's, that's, that's, he hasn't found success in other places.

He doesn't have a salary. And B, you know, it's also feeling like he's probably felt like a failure the past couple of years, both professionally and it is a relationship. And when he does try with his wife, he just gets fucking shot down and just like, and then anywhere, it's just like a chicken for the egg. And again, like, it doesn't justify these actions. But at some, you know, these things don't just happen in a vacuum. You know, there's no real like starting point, you know. And I just don't think you can blame the whole relationship on Kyle. and how he spoke to Amanda.

I don't, again, it doesn't justify it, but, like, you can poke a bear so many times before, like, they just, like, fucking lose their shit. And I, and it's, he clearly Kyle feels alone. Yeah. Yeah. I believe him that he feels piled on, and I don't think he's delusional for feeling that way.

No, even when he said his whole thing where he was like, I looked over the table, and you looked, you had a smug look on your face and that just, like, it felt like you were eating it up that everybody was, and I'm just like, even with my partner, I'm like, I'm sorry, there's just no world in which, I'm sitting around a table. I don't care if it's my best of best friends. If you're coming at my

partner, I am going to interject because it's none of your business. It's also different if you're throwing them to the walls versus like trying to defend it. You know what I mean? Or just being like, enough, guys, enough. Like he gets it. You know what I mean? Where I'm just like, even Lindsay started the whole thing off popping off with like, oh, but he got a DJ career. And it's just like, was that necessary? Like, and it just feels like for him like that that no one's going to jump in and be like, okay Lindsay, like, you know, like enough. And especially to look to his wife and his wife is just like, hmm, yeah. Did you guys see the teaser for the season of In The City? And it's Amanda going, if you come for me, I'll come for you. No, that's crazy. Yeah, I was like, I wish that was real,

but I doubt it. It's probably clever editing, but it was probably clever editing. It's probably a silly conversation that they were having and they were like, yes. Yeah, I hope, I really like, I hope it doesn't go that way. And I mean, I think they're cordial, like, giving some some good punchy one liners. I was kind of, like, I don't know. How do you guys feel about Kyle charging Amanda back rent? That was nuts. That's crazy. You're married.

I don't understand. Wait, what was the back rent for again? Explain? He said that if they're, like, if he's staying in that place and she's not living or she was living there or something. No, she hadn't paid rent for the last three years. And he was like, so I added it all up. I don't like, but like we. A hundred and 19,000 dollars.

Which honestly, I will eat up. Amanda being like, I already paid it. Yeah. Yeah, literally. She had a great year. But I am curious where that, do they have their, I mean, some married couples split. Split.

Yeah. Completely split finances. They don't combine their finances. And if that, that's, it sounds like that's what, the only way that would make sense is if they've completely split their finances. But I mean, I do that. But even then I'm like, I feel like that would be a conversation. You don't get to make a spreadsheet after we're separating and be like, well, since this

didn't work out. Like, this is what you've. But this is what happens, though, with, like, when you divorce or separate. No, it would make sense. If they split their finances and they, Amanda has her joint bank account and Kyle has his and they have their businesses and when they, and Bravo pays them and they do their social whatever, they get, it just goes in their separate accounts. And then there's no like mutual account where maybe some of the joint, you know, like,

and then they agree to, you know, at some point early in their marriage, they just agreed to split expenses. And then like, life happened. and and Kyle is this like in the, you know, in the middle of his marriage is just like rents due. So I'm just going to pay the rent, you know, because we're married,

not thinking much about it. And then the relationship goes south and then they get divorced. And he's like, but I technically paid all the rent, you know, and you didn't. And we were technically supposed to split it.

Then that would make sense. And do we remember like Sutton on Beverly Hills had a forensic like investigator or accountant that like looked into everything and like they're going to do it. If Kyle's not doing it, the forensic person. I hear what you're saying. But all I'm.

saying is that it's crazy work. If you guys are splitting finances that you covered the rent one month and we're like, okay, get me when you can. And then you do it again. And then you do it again for three years. Then I would just assume you're paying the rent. Like I don't think you, like three years later, you're like, you know what? Remember that one time you forgot to pay rent?

And then I just kept doing it for three years, but we never talked about it again. You owe me. Or like moving forward like you're going to split. Like I know I was covering it. It's kind of giving like, remember that gift I gave you for Christmas. a few years ago. I'm going to need that back because we're working up now and also he was her boss. Yeah. Oh, true. So I'm also kind of like, what do you mean? You're paying her mortgage or her rent. She's doing your creative directing and designs. I think it says where like Kyle is like with his finances.

You know, like I think it just reveals a little more of like he is in a position where he needs it. And I think he did say that on like watch what happens live that he was kind of like, I think Lindsay said that she made more money than he did that year. So fine. Which by the and divorced you go into survival. That's what happens. I just still think that that's crazy work. I will say I thought it was nuts. The conversation that Kyle had with Kenny at the restaurant the first time we meet Kenny.

Okay. He's like talking about Amanda and he's saying, you know, how like she used to be this way and now she's this way and she doesn't ever come around and blah, blah, blah. And Kyle's like, yeah, they're talking just about like how much she's changed or whatever. And I feel like if you aren't. aren't, and Kyle's like agreeing with him. And, you know, I feel like if you're not willing to grow, like, with your partner, like, clearly she doesn't, she, she, she, she's in her 30s. Like, she doesn't want to go out. She doesn't want to do this. She doesn't want to do that anymore. Like, that's part of just maybe, I don't know, growing up or whatever. But the fact that it's like, it's like, he sees that as a flaw and not of like, that's, I feel like that's when people fall out of love is when they stop growing with their partner. They stop like, they just expect them to be the exact same. You grow out. the exact same person they were when they met. Yeah. And not like,

both like individuals stubbornly don't try to find whatever that balance is. I do think it is interesting that Amanda in a relationship with Kyle was always like the home body who never wanted to do anything. And post-divorce, Amanda can't help. She needs to wear wigs

because she needs to go out so bad only to get popped by, you know, at the game. It's just like, girl, like you. Well, what is she going to do, stay home? I was going to say. She did with Kyle. I do. Well, I think her.

mental health might be a little struggling right now and maybe she needs like her friends and to go out and get out of the house and to like have her friends force feed her or whatever it is. And staying in your house like reclusing from everyone being a hermit crab only makes your mental health worse. So I understand her wanting to get out of the house. But even to like Kyle's point when he was kind of like it makes me sad to know that like someone else is going to enjoy the Amanda that I fell in love with. And I'm like yeah. And that's so solid. That's why like a lot of people where it's like you got to stick it out because it's just like imagine like you. you did all of this work to give it to somebody else as like this improved thing. But I'm just like, I also think that Amanda kind of, if you remember early seasons of Summerhouse, Amanda did the same thing that she's doing with West now is that I'm the fun girl. I love going out. I party all the time, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you get comfortable. You're with somebody for a while.

You don't need to do all that stuff anymore. And I think that's who Amanda actually is. But like right now she's doing the while I'm young and I'm dating West and like I got to keep up. And West hangs out with all these girls. So I got to be there because if I'm not there, somebody else will be there. and like thinking that the fact that like she was going over to his house to pregame before he was going out on dates like he she knows that if he's if she's not going out he's not staying home with her i thought about this last night of like do you guys remember before we knew that Amanda and Wes were anything they just were posting like videos together like on the street or like at bars like none of us clocked any of that was anything we were just like oh they're just friends hanging out even though they never were like friends like that hanging out to go drink and stuff oh my god i like click on some of the girls that like west click uh like like comments on and whatnot and being like, how close are they?

And then it's like there's so many girls that are just like, I just feel like West is in their orbit in a way that like is just like a rotating door. Okay, we have to talk about the reunion trailer. Yes. Yes. The West's not walking out. It's crazy. No, Lindsay going, are you going to get up?

Are you going to go get your girl? Be a man. Get your girl. Oh, them sharing a dressing groom and him walking in and kissing her. I was just like, oh, this feels so weird. And then, yeah, having everybody be like, go get your girl. girl, go get your girl. And Kyle being like, this is so fucking weird. And I'm like, yeah, because it's still your girl. And then you have Sierra's line of like, he's only dating you

to spite me, which is a sick burn. And I think it had the desired effect, which was to hurt Amanda. That being said, I think it was like, I mean, obviously not true. And I think that's the thing that, like, that's the hardest thing to get over a heartbreak is the realization that like, Sierra has invested so much of her energy and love and consideration into this possibility with West, only to realize he doesn't give a fuck about her. And that is to care about something so much, the indifference of the other person is the thing that hurts the most. That's why our friends are always kind of lying to us when we're like, then they're trying to make us feel better, is to try to come up with some other excuse, then they just don't give a fuck. And I think that's just really

the hardest thing to try to, you know, because we, it should be the signal of like why we should move on because they're, you know, instead of feeling not good enough, it should be the thing that makes us go, this person doesn't appreciate what I'm willing to bring. And, you know, it's, but like, her saying that is like, to me explains why she's had such a hard time of getting over this relationship with West because, like, you know, we want, it's, it's hard to, it's hard to, it's hard to, it's hard to, it's hard to realize the thing we cared about and invested so much of our energy that other person, he, because clearly West doesn't give a fuck. You know, you can't say that West cares about anything about what Sierra feels, even though he pretends to, or he's just stupid because like

Sierra is so clear about what she wants from Wes and he still keeps pretending to be confused about what she wants. And I think it's because he just doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't care. You know what I was also thinking about is like, how do they show up to, I guess we kind of saw because we saw them enter together into the dressing room, but it's like, how can West and Amanda even show up in this reunion? Because they either show up and double down as we're full on couple, or they just like say, we're not a couple, but then it's like, why did you do all this? You know what I mean? So it is, in my opinion, it is kind of in spite of Sierra, regardless. Like, you can't. What do you mean?

Like, nobody thinks that these two people are going to end up getting married. Like, nobody thinks. Or maybe they have to. Like, they have to at this point in my head. I'm like, you all that for what. I don't think West's intentions. of getting Amanda to fall for him, getting her in his bed, whatever, that, however it started, I don't think his intention behind that was like, I want to piss off Sierra and I want to ruin,

I want to ruin a friendship. I want to, like, I don't think that was in the back of his head. I think he was literally not caring. No, no, they hit it. Like, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It was an intention because you knew it was going to hurt people and you did it anyways. So I'm like, no, there is an intention there because it's like,

I could choose to not fuck with my ex's best friend or my friend's wife, but instead you both chose to do it knowing that it's wrong and then hit it for months on end. But there's a difference between knowing you're going to piss someone off and doing it anyways, like West. Like he doesn't care that Sierra's upset. He just, he just cares to the extent that he's in the doghouse. He doesn't actually care that she's hurt.

If he gave a fuck that she's hurt, he would move so differently throughout this entire season. he doesn't care. It would have never happened. He only cares about how it impacts him. I don't know because for me, I'm just like, at the end of the day, there's two people that they both had to have thought about in that situation and still moved forward with it. And I'm sorry, but I'm just like, again, too many people in this world. I understand, oh, she doesn't know if anyone will ever be nice to her again after Kyle.

Whatever. I'm just like, it's loser behavior at the end of the day to sit there and be like, oh, my actions don't actually affect anybody until I get found out or caught about it. Like, sorry. I was going to say, I think, like, I don't think they did, they started dating to hurt Sierra. I think they started dating and they didn't stop it in spite of. Because they knew it was going to hurt Sierra. So I think like, if they cared about Sierra and like didn't want to date, like, they just would have never done it. Yeah.

It would have never been a question asked of like engaging. I don't think they cared. I don't think they cared. I think hiding it though was in spite of. Hiding it. No, because hiding came after the fact, right? Because they knew they would get in trouble. They knew that this would happen.

They knew, like, as Kyle would say, I don't know how they're going to survive this. This was about them getting through it. You know, because if Sierra, like, magically was like, you know what? Honestly, I'm over it. I don't care. God bless you guys. I don't think they've been like, oh, well, if you don't care, then we're just not going to date anymore. Yeah.

Like, if you're not pissed. I also don't think it was like, oh, we're two, like, two drunks in West's apartment, whatever. And they're like, you know what we should do, like to piss off C. Sierra, like, we should make out. No, I don't think it was that. I think it was the morning after they're like, oh, fuck. We have people who if they find out about this, like, we're fucked. And I think it came after the fact.

I don't think they did it to spite or hurt Sierra or hurt Kyle. But also, aren't there friends that are just completely off limits? Like, when you care enough about someone you're like, I don't even question. And I know that they're going to talk about it in the reunion in the sense of like her turning off her location and doing all that shit. But I'm just like, again, it's the you can't help who you fall for. Sure, but you can help who you spend your time with. You don't need to be reaching out to West. You don't need to be spending all your time with them.

Oh, my God, I have a crush. If anything, that should be more of a reason for you to want to distance yourself if you didn't want to get into anything messy. But it's exciting. It's fun. It's fun to sneak around. It's fun to do things behind people's backs and have your own little romantic thing that nobody's going to understand.

And then guess what? It comes out because you hit it because it's not genuine. It also was like, I mean, I'm curious what the timeline's going to come out to during the reunion, but like us finding out that it was longer than what. people are saying and even like Jesse being like I was told it wasn't this. Kyle said from episode one, you've spent more time with my wife than I have in the last six months. So that means since January 2025. Of last year. Yeah. So it's so I mean, you do the math. You're choosing to spend more time with your friends X than you are with your friends and with your

own husband. You guys see that clip that everyone's talking about where it's everyone's leaving the house. And Wes gives Amanda like a very intimate hug and kiss on the forehead. Yep. And And Sierra is there? And Amanda has almost a look of like we just got caught of like. So that's what we're saying though. It was like it was more than just the actual hookup where it's like this would have never happened. They clearly knew that something was weird. Even compared the hug.

For sure. Compared the hug that Amanda gave Carl, right? Where it's still long held, but very side, very like, I love you. Like very brotherly, sisterly. And then compare that to the hug between her and West. you pulling her chair up next to me, hugging, massaging the hair, kissing the forehead, kissing the side of the head. Even the way that West was so comfortable grabbing Amanda while she's actually trying to calm

her own husband down. I'm just like, you shouldn't be involved in this. And yet here you are that I'm like, you cannot tell me that something more wasn't going on at that point. They may not have gotten physical, but an emotional connection was formed to where you were going to West for comfort versus your own husband. But notice how West was coming to her to comfort her. It's always less there with his arms open.

It's always Wes coming up to her, protecting her, making her feel like this safe little bird that can feel like in his arms. So then think about what's, but think about the fact that they've been hanging out on their own for the last six months before this. That I'm like, what has Amanda been going over to his apartment telling him about Kyle? And that was still your active husband that you were not separated them. Pre-gaming the date with Mia from Southern Hospitality. Who do you think Amanda's first call to was post-com? conversation with Kyle about I'm staying in a hotel for the next two nights. West. I think it was Sierra. I think it was West. I thought it was. I want to know.

That's that. I want to know. I feel like it was Sierra because they had just had that conversation. And I feel like she like as soon as she gets in the car, she's like, oh my God, I did it. Like what we just talked about this. And I did it and this is how it went. And maybe her second call is West. I hope Andy asked that at the reunion. Can I ask a question further and I'm not alleging anything. But do we think she actually went to a hotel or do we think she was spending all that time? in West's apartment. Even if she got a hotel, I wouldn't be surprised if she called Wes to hang out. Like, that's what I'm saying is to get my mind off of things. She wasn't calling Sierra. She wasn't alone. And Sierra definitely confirms

that in the reunion because she was like, well, he was comforting you. She's like, what the fuck was I doing? So it's like, you were not calling me when you were calling him to go grab brunch after he had brunch with your husband. But I'm like, this is crazy talk. I'm just like, if I'm choosing to spend

time with somebody who's not my husband to talk shit about my husband while I'm planning on leaving my husband, it's going to be the guy you're moving on with, not like, and she's been with Kyle for how long and put up with all of his shit for how long? Yeah, there, you know, it's like, I think Amanda is really convincing when she's talking to Kyle almost like, I can't believe you're accusing me of this. She's very convincing. Yeah.

But I also think she's kind of maybe convinced herself because you're right. I mean, it just, it is, there's an intimacy that you see with West and her in the house. That is just there's. I do hope there is some acknowledgement of. that and even if it's if they're if they want to be like there was nothing there was nothing but we see how it looks like i just hope at the reunion there is some acknowledgement of that because that's the only thing they can do though is to just admit like wrong which which they should i mean at this point yes just that's what's so crazy it's just like i know it's sometimes scary to admit

it but like just acknowledge you fucked up and you were a shitty fucking friend and if if that cost is to never be friends of sierra again you will she will regret that that, but like, that is a justifiable cost for what he, what she did to Sierra, but stop pretending that you're a victim. Thank you. Even though, yes, we can empathize how you got to this place, but you still did the shitty thing. You were a bad wife, you know, like, you were a bad friend and like to pretend that's not

the case. And for West to just be like, oh, shucks, I didn't mean it, is fucking crazy. And, you know, it is crazy how there was not, he didn't say one thing, that entire reunion trailer. Even when Jesse's crying and he's like, I just feel like I'm losing my friend. silent and maybe they ended it that way. When Jesse was the one I think that also was like, stop lying you guys. And like this wasn't this sort of sex crazed, whatever. Like it doesn't matter what it was. It's the fact that it started. It grew into something. And instead of acknowledging that or doing something about it, it's like you guys acted as if it's something that's happening to

you. And then it's like, oh, we're going to figure this out. And that's why we've been keeping it a secret and it's like how long does it take you guys to figure something out you both know that you're doing something wrong or else you wouldn't feel the need to hide it you would have been like hey fuck it sorry this is the love of my life or this is somebody this is what we're trying to figure out but i'm like the idea that you guys are acting like oh the fact that other people are hurt like west is like oh i really found out that my uh my actions hurt a lot of people more than i knew and it's like what are you fucking mean it's crazy i love how they um tried to include like other things about the season

in the reunion trailer. For like two seconds. Girl bye. We're gonna have to sit like KJ, who's more your sister? It's like, okay, get to the ship we want to hear. All I know is I need Andy to start this reunion being like, for the first time ever, a five-part reunion and I need all four parts. Well, they announce three parts.

So in my head, I'm convinced it's going to be two-hour three parts. Oh, they better be. It's not going to be, but. But also, like, I don't really, like, I don't really care about the smaller, you know, unfortunate. Like Ben's relationship right now? But honestly, to that point, that's where it's like it was selfish what West and Amanda did because now nobody cares about everybody else's experience on the show.

That's what happened to Scandal. Same thing with Scandball. Like, it just stole the thunder of like emotional moments. You got Katie and Tom like divorced for the first time and then it's like nobody cares. No, we're not talking about that. But, uh, Raquel. Like I do care about KJ's storyline, but now we're not going to even like address it because we need to get to like.

Oh my God. When Amanda had the audacity to be like, what? So nobody's ever been in this situation? before like she fucking ate and then Lindsay's fucking clapback. Yeah, in high school. Yeah, in high school. I was like, thank you. But again, that's the part that, why is Amanda

keep trying to pretend? Yeah. That you've done nothing wrong. Why? Just own it. Can I play devil's advocate for two seconds? And then we can wrap. He doesn't, but like, what are Amanda and West supposed to do?

Like, I know they messed up, but like at this reunion, they're going to get obliterated regardless. They're obliterated. You take your beatings. You are a shitty friend. You are a shitty wife. You are a shitty friend. friend to your friend all around.

They just go there and they say this. I know. I'm sorry. It was fucked up. You're right. I was selfish. I only thought of myself. I didn't, you know, I, well, I thought I was caring, but I realized that, yeah, when

Sierra was, whether she was opening up to West or opening up to Amanda, yeah, you have to be like, yes, I was incredibly selfish. And I have a lot of like self-reflection to do of why I only could give a fuck about my feelings and how I was able to seem like I cared about yours when clearly I didn't. And I don't have answers for that right now. The only way they should. And I need to figure that shit out. But like, I don't want to be this person who clearly hurt people.

I thought I cared about. But I'll say, kind of boring television. Listen, I would sit there and watch it either way, but I'm just like the idea that you guys could come there being defensive in a way as if, as if you have. have a leg to stand on. You know what I mean? Where it's just like you've hurt a lot of people. Also, apologize to your 10-year viewership that you ruined our favorite fucking show.

Because I'm pissed about that. They're giving us some of the best television we have seen on TV. Did they ruin it? I don't think they need to apologize. Oh, no, I want an apology because I'm like, what are the fuck are the dynamics going to be next season? The next AI allegedly response to that Weston Amanda is she was going to be to you

personally. I think that was one of the best interests to a new city. I locked in in the city. I'm really excited about it. I think it's going to be great. I really, really am excited about it. And I think this only helped that. Summer House, you know, how they evolve, I think they would have always had questions because Kyle and Amanda, I think in Lindsay, its biggest stars have matured outside of going to the Hamptons every weekend. Yeah. Kyle will be there no matter what. Yeah. I think that'll wrap it up. What a fun episode. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you to our guest, DiMari, from Perfect.

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