The Viall Files - E1132 - Jimmy Soto's Perfect Match Hot Takes, Jena Sims Masters Controversy, Rhode Island Drama & Malls

Episode Date: May 26, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Happy Memorial Day!!! We hope you're relaxing and ready for another incredible episode, because world renowned basketball player, tiktok cute, and Perfect Match star Jimmy Sotos is here to get into all the drama this season. Meanwhile, we catch up with Sports Illustrated model Jena Sims to talk about her controversial Masters outfits, her marriage with golfer Brooks Koepka, and walking in the upcoming Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Runway Show streaming on Hulu! Plus, we discuss Spotify's logo change, Beverly Hills news, mall culture, and more! You won't want to miss it :) "As an ADHD neurodivergent girlie, I didn't like it." HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE?  Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content?  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Ollie: Get ready for both you and your pup to be obsessed. Head to https://ollie.com/viall, tell them all about your dog, and use code VIALL to get 70% off your Welcome Kit when you subscribe today! Little Spoon: Try Little Spoon Formula with their 2 can trial pack (Buy 1, Get 1 free - that's $30 for 2 cans), which is great if you're easing into the transition. That's https://littlespoon.com/tryformula.  Zenni Optical: If your glasses are overdue for a refresh, now is the time. Go to https://zenni.com/podcast and use code PODCAST15 for fifteen percent off your first order. Quince: Refresh your everyday with luxury you'll actually use. Head to https://quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:13 - Household Headlines 24:24 - Jena Joins 1:18:07 - Jimmy Joins 1:48:34 - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @jsotos1  @jenamsims @susiecevans  @ciaracrobinson @the_mare_bare @justinkaphillips  

everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vowel files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by my wonderful gorgeous smart articulate and fun wife we got a great household with us sierra susie mary is back her voices like 90% back we got sweet boy justin it's a full house how is everyone doing today oh my god fantastic great honestly it's good vibes in here so incredible where the household is full Oh, it's nice to, like, have the whole family here. Yeah. I don't know if that voice is back, babes.

Hey, guys, it's cute. Can everyone just be nice to me? Obviously. Well, we have a fun jam-packed episode for you. We have The Real Housewives of Rhode Island was on on Sunday, and we get to get into that another fun episode with the ladies. We got more episodes of Perfect Match. Jimmy Soto joins us later this episode to talk about the latest episodes of Perfect

Match. There's a lot of arguing going on. between Damari and Marissa. That was like triggering. It would just remind me of being 19 again. Yeah. You know, arguing with my girlfriends. Damari had a couple arguments with a couple girlfriends.

Well, no, he just kind of got shut down by Kayla, right? Well, and Bree, they got into an argument at the mixer. Yeah. He's fine with everybody. He might be the problem. I'm just saying. He says he attracts feisty, feisty women. I don't, maybe.

Maybe it's just me just stumping for the men. I just don't know if he's, problem i don't know we'll get into it later this episode um lots to get into uh we uh we like we had a big moment yesterday uh i gave birth no well well she seemed like maybe last night i thought now they might have these guys these braxton hicks i never had them with river i never experienced them once with river and now i'm like they could fall out at any moment and it's really like bad for the husbands when they're like oh they're fake contractions right so now I'm just being like, you know, it's fake.

You know? She's on the other side of the bed, being like, ah. And I'm like, Nick goes, last night, Nick goes, do you want me to get your socks? I'm like, that's not going to help. I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to do. You know, there's no baby coming. I was asking Natalie this the other day where I was like, you literally just have to like bear through the pain, right?

Because you can't put, like, a heating pad on it. You can't take some medicine. You just got to feel it. And you really feel like a piece of shit on my end because you're just like, you're like, patting around the shoulder. Nick just kept watching his movie last night and I was like, I could kill him. I'm just not sure what we're supposed to do. There's nothing that pisses me off more than like me being in pain, whatever it is throughout this pregnancy. And I look over and Nick's like scrolling on Twitter. He's watching a movie. He's like drinking a cup of coffee.

He's just like fine. Life is normal. But how long does it like a, is it like a quick 30 second or does it last five minutes? Like 20 minutes. 20 minutes? The whole, the one contraction isn't 20 minutes. Oh, no, yeah. They come in and out. But like, yeah, they last, I don't know. Yeah, like 20 seconds, 30 seconds maybe.

But then you get a little bit of a break and then it comes swinging back in. We're getting close, guys. We obviously haven't like revealed the due date or anything. But obviously if you, we're getting close. This is our last. Yeah. Obviously. And with twins, they, you know, typically come earlier because there's less real estate.

I'm wondering. Should we start a like when will they come? What? A countdown? I'm referring to real estate. There is. There's this. There's just less space. She's a luxury property over there.

Literally, time is limited. Get yours now before it sells. Should we start a little like pool within the household of like what the babies will show up? Yeah. I love a bet. What are we winning? I feel like mid June, which would be fairly early. I have another idea.

I think we should get one of those pregnancy stimulators and put it on Nick while we record an episode. The contraction thing. Yeah. That's a brilliant idea. We should tape the watermelon and the cantalopes. Two watermelon. No. Yeah, technically right?

You have to double it. Yeah. Well, the water, like a. We'll be doing that in studio next week or this week, guys. It's just not practical. Please make sure I'm here for that. I don't know. Four pound, five pounds now?

I don't know. What do you think they weigh? How much do you think they would? How much do you think a watermelon weighs? How much is a watermelon way? It depends on what watermelon you're getting. It's a banana. What could it cost $5?

Anyways, we finished the back lawn finally, which is really nostalgic for me because, like, you know, we have the lake property and we are lucky. We have in the backyard, it's a pretty big, you know, a decent amount of lawn, I guess. But like when I was a kid, my grandfather really like kept it together and it was like a nice green grass. and it was like the first lawn I ever mowed. I have a distinctly remember being like in the third grade, like begging my grandfather and my uncle, like to let me mow the lawn and like this relentlessly bugging them and they finally let me.

Obviously when they sold the lake house and the person who bought it, like they were like this is their second home. They treated it like a just like a lakehouse cabin. And we've gotten to know the previous owner. And he was like, yeah, I didn't buy this place to like mow lawns. So he let that place just kind of like turn into like a field. And after we obviously bought it back and remodeled the house, you know, that was like the last project. And now it's like a beautiful, we put the sod in yesterday, which was really fun to see.

First, it was like all dirt. And then they put in the sod and now it's just like this beautiful green grass. It's all fresh. Trail in the back. And we put in an in-ground trampoline, which was very exciting for me because as a relatively, you know, we weren't poor, but like we got by. So we never had a trampoline. And to be able to get my kid a trampoline feels very cool. That is cool.

That is cool. Yeah. That's awesome. But, you know, trampolins can be dangerous, so we, you know. Mary was like, we're going to print out a rule. Nick's mom. We're going to print out a rule list and nail it to the tree that's next to the, like, only one kid at a time jumping. Oh.

Really? But it's in ground. It's a little safer. If you haven't been double bounced into the sky as a child, you haven't had character building. The way my brother and his friends would torment me and I couldn't get off. But look at me now, guys. Like, thriving. thriving.

Like look at me now guys. I have a bad back. My neck's freaky. I have a hernaded disc. Perfect. But she can slow-mo walk better than anybody I know. Thank you.

Nick, what happens to the in-ground trampling when it rains? Oh. Like does it, it's no longer trampling. It's just a pool? Yeah, like underneath of it, does it gather water? You'd put like a tarp or cover over. Well, you know, there is dirt underneath

and like, you know, rain kind of goes into the ground. So it just seeps into the soil. We didn't put like, we didn't, we didn't like make a pool. and then put a trampoline over it to collect water. No, no, I was just curious what happened. Yeah, I guess the water does go into the soil. Just kind of... It just kind of soaks on in.

Just does what it does. But someone recently told me that in-ground trampolines are like a snake. Oh. Yeah. We have snakes up here. We have fairly... They have snakes that do this. What is that?

No. Like a water moccasin? But they're not poisonous or anything. I have a distinct memory when I was a kid. of taking the mail up to the mailbox and there was a snake just like prong like this. It's a big black grass snake.

And I remember just fucking just hauling ass back to the house. Yeah. We haven't seen any of these snakes since we've since we've bought in the house. But they do exist and they are up here, which is terrifying. But apparently, yeah, trampolines. There are, you know, because like heat, you know, attracts animals.

Sun beats on trampoline. There's a warm space underneath there. So you're going to have a pit. A snake pit. A snake is crazy. Imagine the like make believe the kids will be able to have bouncing on a trampoline with a snake pit underneath. I think that's pretty cool.

I would be so scared if I was river. I would never get on it. I'd have one cousin, older cousin, be like, yeah. And there's only snakes under there. And I'd be like, I'm good. One time when I was little, there were a bunch of snakes in our back porch. And my mom and my sister literally just got like shovels. And then went out and just like,

No, see, that's, that's not nice to say it. Well, yeah. I didn't do it. Murder. Well, if you got a snake pit, just call Rob Raabash. I was going to say Rob Ross when you need it. Yeah. It reminds me, though, of when my sister told me that milk, like cow's milk, was the cow's blood

with just no red blood cells, only white blood cells. Oh, my gosh. That's crazy. Yeah. Well, the truth is it's not their blood. It's their mucus. That's actually. Right, it's worse.

Yeah. I'm so glad I didn't grow up with siblings. Oh my gosh. I was traumatized. When I was in high school, I was like on the homecoming court my freshman year. My brother got his friends to chant brush your teeth as I walked down. That's so neat. Isn't that?

That's so mean. I know. Were you not like a teeth brusher? No. Actually, it was one of his friends was making fun of my teeth because he said that they were super. Actually, somebody also just recently started making fun of my teeth online the other day, actually. Is it your brother on a burner account? Now that you mention it, it might be.

Because they said that I have so many teeth in my mouth and it's like, my face is like, this is like so mean, but they said it's kind of like punchable, you know? And they're like just so many. That's so mean. No, no, no, no. It's honestly funny. Like, I'm like, she probably doesn't have any teeth. That's what's going on.

Let's see your teeth, ma'am. Yeah. Show me yours. I think I'm going to go with mine. But no, I think it was just like my brother's best friend maybe, maybe he had a crush on me. I don't know. He was just like making fun of my teeth because they were big or something. and it just became a whole bit

and then yeah, character building, guys. Yeah. Your character's amazing and so your teeth. Yeah. Brush your teeth. Did you guys notice the Spotify logo changing? I let it simmer, but I'm curious what other people have thought. Death to all of them.

Also, the Nanit app for anyone who cares, they also change their logo. Shout out Nanit. Which I don't feel like brands should do. Now I'm like looking everywhere on my phone for that damn app. Yeah. I feel like everybody just wants to be Duolingo. Duolingo switches their icon like every.

every other month. Spotify is doing it to celebrate their 20th anniversary. So it's cute. Okay. And it's temporary. But it's a disco ball. But it's a disco ball. It just doesn't make sense. Also, Spotify, it's like flat features. Your entire branding is flat features. You want to go 3D disco ball. I feel like it does make sense for Spotify. It kind of does the more you think about it. But it looks like music. You know when your phone has like two, it's like, not enough storage and then you have to like offload things and it starts like undownloading apps that you don't use. That's what it looks like to me. And so every time I see it, I'm like, oh my gosh, it's Spotify like, undownload or something.

It's like loading or whatever. Yeah, it's just like a. I am curious what our audience thinks if they've noticed. Yeah, what do you guys think? Let us know. Yeah, are they with us or against us? Also, did you guys notice mall modeling is returning with the Victoria's Secret casting specifically? I feel like I've seen so many models doing it.

And like Gigi Hadid was there. When was the last time you guys have been to an indoor mall? I could have a grow. Then you think. Yeah. I almost went yesterday. Grove is outdoor. Oh, it is outdoor.

You're right. Our local mall is indoor and I definitely go there. Get my bath bombs. Shout out to Lush. Love Lush. Yeah, it's been a minute for me, I feel like. But every time I go in, I'm like, wow, they're really, like, the Oglethorpe Mall in Savannah is the saddest place you'll ever go into because it's just...

It's so quiet. And there's so many stores, like, closed down. And then all it really is left is zooming. Bath and Body Works, a Starbucks, and like a Victoria's Secret. Yeah. Justin and Mary, you guys really missed the mall era as kids. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.

By the way, early 2000s kids were the blends of everything before, before it all got changed. We got mall. We had the crazy mall carpet. We had the mall playgrounds. We had the blockbusters. We had everything, honestly. Yeah, but would going to the mall be like an. entire day event.

Working class parents? Yes. I would hang out at the mall at my friend. I got dropped off at the mall. Our mall in my hometown now, though, is literally just like a mega church and then across from that it's a Spencer's Gifts. I did think that it is a recession indicator that the mall castings are coming back. And I will say, I've been going to the mall more recently.

And every time I go, I am shocked by how many people are there where I'm like, I think mall culture is coming back because people don't know what to do. People are a third place. A third place. Yeah. People love a third place. Well, no, and now there's all these, like, studies coming out up more and more about how we've all fucked up our brains and our kids by being on the phone and things like that.

I feel like, thankfully, like, a lot of parents are realizing, like, we need to get outside, we need to touch grass. We need to, like, engage with people. My kid needs friends. Like, I remember them all being the place where, obviously you'd go to, like, hang out with your friends all day in, you know, junior high, high school, middle school, whatever, however you old. Then there were, like, old people who were, like, old people who were. were doing their walks.

Yes. You know? It's like raining outside or cold or... Older people. That's not call them old. Older. And my mall, it was like 80 year old people doing their walks. And good for them.

Yeah. I love that for them. I love them all. It does make me feel like it... There's a feeling of being in a mall that's like nothing else. You know what I mean? It's like it's its own world. The mall for like middle schoolers was like it was like a first experience of like bar life.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like the mall and six flags. Because like yeah, like six flags, like you would go like, you know, as a kid, you know, going to six flags, the best part was going in line with your friends. And you always like try to like find a cute group of, for me, girls. And then you would like try to like make eye contact in the 45 minute line and like try to like meet meet the girls. That's so real.

That is real. Yeah. On your youth group convention. My hometown mall had a ice skating rink in it. So that was the, that was the move. Is that like people would go ice skating. So then you'd like pair up. Yeah, there's an indoor ice skating rink.

And then there was a Ruby's diner that overlooked the ice skating rink. So you get a snack. So then everybody would go in and grab their like French fries and soda or milkshake. Nobody ordered a real meal because we were like, we have $20. And that waitress was mad at you every time you guys walked in. Literally leaving. Yeah, no, for sure. I'd hate us too.

Yeah. We did ice skating too, though. That was like a big thing. Yeah. And we had a movie theater in there too. So it was just kind of like one of the place where like every parent could just drop off their kid for like hours. And then we'd be like, okay, pick us. up it's nine o'clock at Starbucks. I will say I feel like going back to the mall

modeling, I feel like all of those were scams. Well, that's what I'm saying, because Barbizon, do you guys remember Barbizon? Like they would scout kids in the malls and be like, you're the next model, like pay all this money to like come like cast with us and then we'll connect you to an agency and I don't think it ever really like hand out to anything. Okay. If anyone has ever had a success story from it, please let us know because I really do think it is like the biggest scam. But as a child, I would fall for it. I like, I remember being like, no, you were special. Yeah, I was like, Mom, I'm special.

And she's like, no, I let you do this for fun. Like, we're going home. The mall, the mall modeling scams are basically the Dan Wolves Cruz. Right. As you alleged before. But this is real, though, Natalie, because this is a Victoria Seeker. And that's from, like, Victoria Secrets making its comeback, like, through the runway they did recently. And now it's mall castings, which is very fascinating to me.

Yeah. I also kind of like it, though, because it's like giving anybody a chance to audition to be a Victoria's Secret Angel. And I just remember, like, obviously growing up. that that was such like a untouchable. Yeah, like it's like you had to know somebody to know somebody. So I think it's kind of cool that they're opening up a forum in a place that like them all. Can I just say I did listen

to most of these models like their speeches because they do the walk and then they like answer questions. Like a pageant? Not pageant, but you do your walk and then they ask you who you are because I think that's just part of like casting the angels. And they want to see your walk. Yeah. And it's about like personality. But like some of them are like welders, biologists. Like and they're just doing this to like

do stuff for themselves outside of what they do to help others. So it's very inspiring also to like watch. And I learned the difference between a catwalk and a horsewalk didn't know that that was two different things. Wait, what? Oh, I saw that girl. She ate. So good. There was a girl doing cartwheels.

Did you see that one? No, I didn't. I tried to do the horsewalk. I was like, can I do this? I couldn't even do it. I was like literally put on heels in my bedroom and I was like, could I do that if I wanted to? I literally couldn't. Wait, can river horsewalks?

Oh, like this? No. No, that's galloping. It's just like a more aggressive. catwalk, like more of a stomp. Can Susie or Sierra, can you guys get up and demonstrate this horsewalk for me? Do you want to see that?

No, please join me. The forum is yours, BIP. I can't, though. That's the thing. It's like, it's a bad representation. But I just want to see you try, really. Yeah. And for our audience, I'll tell you listening audio-wise, I'll tell you what's going on right now. Okay, Susie's her high. I need. Oh, the legs really go up.

Yeah. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. It's more of a stomp. I see the horse. It's giving the horse stale. I see the horse is great. I feel like horse walk is not very flattering name for what that is.

Very good. You guys, should I go to a casting? I think you should. They're happy, man. And do that? I think you should be like stomping glide, stomp and glide, stomping glide, stomp and glide. I used to make my mom sit at the end of the hallway and watch me do my runway walk in her high heels. That's cute.

That is cute. Speaking of runway walks, the Sports Illustrated runway is coming to Hulu coming up soon. And one of its participants, Jenna Sims, who is the wife of one of the best golfers in the world, Brooks Capka, who was recently under fire. Have you guys familiar with this story? It's kind of wild. I've just learned about this. Just learned about it and I'm angry. Yeah, for anyone who doesn't know, apparently Jenna Sims, wife of said golfer, Brooks Capka, went to the Masters.

not too long ago. And like basically got like slut shamed. Sounds about right. For her outfits. And I heard about this story and it was like, man, Jenna Sims like is getting like flamed in the comments and criticized for what she wore. And I'm like wondering like, did she show up in a swimsuit? I was wondering like, is it like really provocative? Like what's going on here?

And then I looked at the video and all of a sudden like I'm like this, this she could wear this to church. She looks fabulous. Like that's my issue with golf culture. I'm like, I'm all for like some traditions. Keep your traditions. But like she looked beautiful. She looked put together. She looked classy.

So honestly, people are just hating. And I don't like when people are like, there's so tied to a tradition of like your your shoulders have to be covered or something like that. No midriff. She also, when we interviewed her, we'll get into it. But she basically says like the tradition is not that. Like there's a dress code and the dress code is what I'm wearing. Right.

Yeah. Exactly. And it's like her bright colors and her just her essence. was like, no, I'm so into this. And it pisses me off. I'm like, leave your, leave your hatred at home. It's giving slow newsday. What's the most provocative thing you guys have worn to church?

My mom used to drag me to church in my pajamas. So I guess that was kind of provocative. I have Kesha merch that says, bitch, I'm blessed. Oh, my gosh. In a Catholic church. And forget, but they would always be like, oh, these are the youngans. Like, they're in love with like Jesus and God. And I think, yes, I am blessed.

Thank you. Yeah. I'm blessed. I don't think I've ever worn anything crazy. I remember like wearing shorts to school and then then making me like stand and do the hand test and making sure you're long enough. Do you remember like two, like I remember. Too stressed. I got boobs early and it was so annoying because like I couldn't wear taintops.

I would get dress coated and I would be like, guys, I'm literally just doing my best here. Puberty happens. Literally. Your shoulders are so distracting to Philip who's sitting behind you. he can't focus on math because your shoulders. I was like, yeah, totally. Me and my slicked back bun looking like, yeah. But why was spaghetti straps considered like a no-no?

But then like a regular tank top was fine. Where I'm like, you're talking about two inches of a strap. Because allegedly you can see a bra strap and that's too much. Were we wearing bras back then? I mean, I had to. For fuck sake. News to me. By the way, I feel like dress codes.

Dress codes don't exist anymore at like high schools. Oh, no. My little sister's high school, she's like, there's not a dress code. And I'm like, that's crazy. They're wearing, like, strapped with two bras. And, like, jeans. Just as for all the kids I went to school with, they were, like, getting sent to the office, going home, getting marked up. Oh, my God.

I used to have to change. Oh, yeah, the crazy clothes. One time I had to change because they were like, we can see your brawlet through your tank top. And I was like, well, the bralet is covering the bra. Like, it was like a little thing and then a tank top over. Well, brawet's a little scampus. One of my, like, first clinical rotations for being, like, in college for surgical tech, we had to wear a purple. we had to wear purple scrubs.

And I don't know what happened, but like I went and bought a pair of scrubs. I think maybe they were, purple's like not an easy color to find, right? Not a lot of sizes and shades in this eggplant color purple that they wanted us to wear. So they were maybe like tighter than they should have been. And I remember my first day of clinicals, my teacher at the end of the day, we'd like all sit down and we'd talk about like, how the day went, what surgeries did you scrub into, whatever, whatever. And she was like, and Natalie, you need to get bigger scrubs. Every one of your preceptors and the nurses were complaining about how tight your scrubs were.

Oh, that's not nice. You have to get bigger scrubs. And I was like, wait, but what if I, like, had just gained weight? What if, you know, like, what the, and they made me, yeah, go and get new scrubs. Sorry, my body's tea, like. She said this in front of the class or like, like. Yeah. Oh.

Whoa. That's mean. It's not my fault. My wife has a great ass. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, she can't help it that her body is eating that thing up, you know? Sorry, she's a bad. I'm sorry.

Like, she can't help it that she looks that damn good. Her body was the doctor. Literally. Also, like, when a patient comes out of anesthesia, that's like a kindness to, like, to have the first thing they see is just like a great, great ass just popping out of the They don't even see me when they wake up. I'm only during the surgery. And they wish that they could.

That's the thing. You know? And I wear like a big gown. Like you wear like a surgical gown over your scrubs. What if part of surgery was like creating a really nice fun atmosphere for the patient coming out of anesthesia? 1,000 percent. I quit. You know, I think that should happen next season on the pit.

Well, for anyone listening who's ever felt a little judged or shame by their gorgeous outfit, they decided to put on. Our next guest, Jenna Sim, joins us. us to talk about her experience what it was like to be absolutely roasted in the comments for wearing something that was very stylish, very beautiful, very chic and how she handled that. Obviously, she and her husband is a world-class golfer. For all the ladies out there whose husbands are fan of golf, you're going to want to tune into this episode as well. So maybe pause it, grab your boy and get a little tea on what it's like to be married to

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Jenna, welcome to the show. Thanks. We're super excited to have you. I got to say, I'm kind of blown away about the story because when it was like brought to my attention and like I heard like the tea leaves of like, oh, Brooks Kafka's wife is like under controversy for like what she wore to the masters. I'm like, man, what did she wear? And I'm like, I'm expecting to see you in like, you know, like dressed as like Adam and Eve with like leaves on your chest or something. And then I looked at the outfit and I was like, what a wonderfully nice Sunday.

Like I, you could have worn that to church. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I mean like maybe a lot of people might have disagree with me. I don't know. But like I thought it was fine. You know, TikTok, every single year, like the TikTok algorithm chooses the master. So it's pushing my content to people who are not familiar with who I am.

familiar with golf, not familiar with what to wear. So then all of a sudden for one week of the whole year, everybody becomes experts on the game of golf and what to wear to golf tournaments. And I am dressing like myself. I feel very appropriate. In fact, on the master's website, which I just double-checked like five minutes ago

for the like official dress code, it says dress appropriately for the weather. That's it. It doesn't say cover your tits up, It doesn't say not, you can't show your belly. So I was fine. Just the internet decided to crown me, you know, the villain of the week. Yeah.

How does it feel to be like the Gulf Queen's like controversial wife, which is like, as someone, I don't know how much you know about my background. But when I went on. I watch The Bachelor. I'm an elder millennial. We grew up watching The Bachelor. I've seen it all. I always was like, I just remember growing up being like, I'm a good guy.

I listened to my parents, I follow the rules. Like, I'm a pretty boring guy. And then somehow, some way, I was like, you're the controversial character. And I was like, huh? Like, how did I become controversial? Like, was this, like, shocking to you? Like, how did you process all of a sudden waking up one day and having the internet tell you that you were, like, somehow being inappropriate?

It's probably not unlike The Bachelor because, you know, you guys don't have your cell phones. So, you know, you really didn't know until you knew. And it's kind of that way at a. us to people they assume that just because we're the wife of a player that we can have our phones out there but we have to play by the same rules as everybody else like I didn't have my phone so I'm just posting my outfits going about my day and then there might as well have been smoke blowing out of the bottom of my phone like it was crazy I think people just assume like just because I crack a joke or have a personality they like maybe confuse that with being a villain but I loved it

because it did wonders for my engagement. You know, people like you're reaching out and, you know, agencies reaching out, bigger agencies reaching out. And it just, it led to so many more opportunities. And this is like your 10th, 11th masters that you've been to. I mean, like, I feel like you know at this point, you know, this isn't your first rodeo. Literally. And I'm not, I wasn't posting everybody, every female on planet Earth.

If you're going to the Super Bowl, if you're going to the derby, if you're going to the masters, those three sporting events are, to me, you know, equal in their respective categories. Every influencer posts what they're wearing. I wasn't even out there to make money. I didn't link. I mean, I didn't link hardly anything because I didn't have time. I was just simply sharing what I was wearing because I'm passionate about that. It's so hard.

At what point did you make Brooks aware of this drama that you were caught up in? Because I got to assume that he needs to be like focused on his game, like not distracted. but obviously he's your husband like when we are caught up in like drama that we didn't choose to be a part of like she is my go to I'm her go to but like are you able to like bother him during the masters

he's the best he's one of the girls he's all in on it like I didn't realize this was the first time I've ever done anything where I've been viral I've for both good and bad things like it was nothing like this because it was the first time people were doing sort of like the green screen videos where they would put up

you know, cycle through my outfits and they were the talking head against my content. Sure. Holy shit. That has never happened to me before. I'm literally just attending the tournament like anybody else. So I knew going into it that because last year, every single thing I posted would get a million hits. And it was just like, oh my God. So I was like, I knew this year it was going to kind of be the same. But he wasn't really in on it until I showed him sort of these types of videos. He was like, oh my God. And then I messaged him and he was actually still at the course, like getting worked on. I was like, I am getting like slated. I'm getting raked over the

clothes right now. And all he said back was send me your outfit. Like, send me a picture like because he didn't see me. There's hundreds of people. So he didn't know what I was wearing. So he was probably going, oh God, what did she have on today? Because I mean, shit, I could wear anything out there, you know, and rock it. But I try to be aware and be conscious of the decorum of the masters. because I don't want to get my credentials taken away, you know. I think, I don't even think I towed the line. I think everything that I wore was completely appropriate. But I sent him the very first one, which was that Hunter Green sort of scallop.

It had like, like this. It barely showed anything. And more of this was, I mean, it was covered. No cleavage. It was just a little bit of belly button area. And that's the one that really sent them over the edge. And I sent that to Brooks. he was like, what the heck?

Like, I think that's totally fine. So it was a little bit of a relief just because I'm not trying to fuck his game up in any way. Like, I know, I mean, we've been together for so long. Like, I know, you know, we have this, like, running joke of, like, I don't, if anything happens in your life, I don't want to hear about it unless your leg is getting chopped off, like, during the week of Augusta. Like, if any minor inconvenience happens to you, I don't want, I don't care, you know, just for one week of the year.

I don't want to hear about it. So I respect that. And so I was more or less just like, this kind of involves you a little bit. Like, this is a thing. And he was like, oh, whatever. That's nothing. How did you guys meet? We met on Instagram, actually.

Same. Same, yeah. Yeah. Who slid into whose DMs for y'all? I slid into his. Me too. Oh, yes. Love it.

Not his DM. What was the message? Oh, my gosh. So this is like, sometimes I don't even take time to explain this, but this was before you could respond to a story on Instagram. So this was like a cold call. And we had this one waste management in 2015. So I've literally known him for 11 years now.

And it was, remember back then, filters were just so popular. You would post a filter, like, throw three filters on this water bottle and I was like, art. And so this was, I used to live in L.A. I was in my shitty Sherman Oaks apartment that had like brown carpet and popcorn ceiling. and I had like a dead plant behind me and it was a very simple selfie I had clothes on I actually had a hat on and I said does this filter make my plant look tan awesome that's great and he responded and then like down the line I asked him I was like because he was hot you know he's a haughty I'm not stupid I'm like what like made my profile sort of stand out amongst everyone else because I am socially

aware. I know that I'm not the only hot bitch in your DMs. And he was like, I don't know. I just looked at your page. You were funny. And I just had this connection with you. And I was like, you know what? I feel the same. I knew back then that I was going to marry this man. It wasn't love at first sight per se, but I was like, I just know there's something about this man. And now we have almost a three year old. We have a dog. We have our life together. It's literally our. How did the first date happen? Like we met on Instagram. and then we met up in New York. Because, yeah, I doubt he wasn't living in L.A. Was he? Where is he from? No, he lived here where I'm now in Florida. Okay. And we could not have been further from each other. Actually, our first date was at the Masters.

Okay, there you go. I know. Full circle. Like, literally anything major that's happening in my life happens at the Masters. You know what? I figured it out, Jenna. Basically, all your haters on TikTok or all the ladies who were sliding into Brooks's DMs back in the day and didn't get a response.

and now they're up there and they're just pissed. They were just waiting from your show. I looked like one of the comments when you were like, listen, I've been to the Masters before. You guys probably haven't. I know how this shit works. And then one of the comments that had like,

like, a 1,500 likes. Some smart ass girl was like, well, I've been in the Masters and I was in your comments. And I was like, okay, good. Congratulations.

And I went on, then I look at, then you go look at the person's profile. You're like, okay. I don't know. It was crazy. But yeah,

he invited me to. the Masters in 2015, actually right after we met. So our first date was literally right after he played that day. How did he do that tournament? Oh, my gosh. See, I was the queen of like playing it cool. I flew in for like two nights. So I was there like maybe Wednesday, Thursday,

and I flew back to my home apartment in LA. I think, oh, 2015, I don't know. He probably taught 10 to. I think he did okay. I'd have to chat GPT it. I don't know. Did you know much about golf before you met him? or was this like a whole new life for you?

No, I knew a lot about golf, actually. I'm from Georgia, so I grew up. That's how my dad and I bonded. We grew up watching the Masters together. My dad was a big golfer. I knew a lot more about it now. You guys should be best friend. She's from Georgia and her dad was a golfer.

Oh, fine. I'm from Yager. It's a really small town. Savannah, rinkin outside of Savannah, yeah. I've only been there for, like, bachelor at parties. I know. That's usually the case.

Yeah. That's so wild. So the blanket pants that you had custom made, where did this idea come from? How did you decide to do this? So there's a brand called Yellow the label. They make like little catchy things. They've got a shirt that says like no prying on the yacht. Like I'm sure it's like it always pops up on people's like targeted ads. They put out this pant but in a different blanket. And it was just a general exact same style of blanket that like throw blanket. with the fringe and it was like a vintage and I actually reached out to them and I was like, oh my gosh, could I get the pattern or you were like, no, you know, good luck. But my sister saw it and she was like, it was kind of her idea. She's, you know, similar to me, big golf fan, big into fashion. And she was like, you have to like make these pants for the masters. And so I found two, I don't know how I did this. I know it's going to be impossible now, but two of the exact same throw blankets from 1997,

Masters, and I work with a seamstressa Taylor in New York City for, like, all my special events. Like, she's an epic tailor. And we made them. I brought, I flew up to New York. We had like a little family Christmas trip, so it wasn't just for that. We brought our whole family. We did, like, the plaza Christmas experience. It was so fun.

I brought a pair of sweatpants that I thought fit me perfectly, so she didn't have to really take any measurements. I was like, this is this pair of sweatpants. here are two pairs of two blankets and we essentially just laid out exactly on each leg of the pant where like which part of the blanket we wanted to be on the pan and it just like turned out way better than I anticipated I knew that was going to be a viral moment I honestly didn't think it was going to be a negative viral moment people were so upset that was the one that like AT&T like the AT&T was hating on my page and for what like AT&T got in the AT&T got in the the comments?

Where I'm when, like, videos go super duper vile. It'll be like, pet smart and, you know, all these random companies. You're like, what are you doing commenting under my video? Like, pantine pro v, like, just random companies. And AT&T was like, oh, I didn't know you're at Coachella. And I'm an AT&T customer. Wait a minute. Wait.

The Jim Z influencer marketing. Paul is running your social media. She needs to be fired because I'm a loyal customer, but not for. want. You know, Mint Mobile, they'll take you. $15 a month. You're like, and your service suck. Wait, y'all also have a three-year-old.

We have a two, she'll be two and a half this summer. Yeah, crew will be three this summer. Okay. How has toddlerhood been for you guys? Well, tough in the beginning. So y'all are just behind me. So I don't want to play the just wait. Yeah.

Because I'm sure you hear a lot. But the ages of, from, Two to two and a half. That was challenging for me because he couldn't quite talk yet. A little more destructive. You know, you can't necessarily, like, leave him in a room and expect that things are going to be fine. Now he's almost three. He'll be three in July.

So now we're having full conversations. He's almost potty trained. It is my favorite age. Like, he negotiates. I'm like, it's time to go nap and he's like, five more minutes. Like, what do you even know? He's like, what? The shit comes out of his mouth.

It is so much fun. It is so funny. But on the flip side of that, now, like, Brooks is on the road. It's a tournament week, so I'm solo parenting this week. And it's hard because he kind of understands now that Brooks travels a lot for work. So he gets a little more emotional. Like, I picked him up from school today. He's like, where's Dada?

I'm like, oh, Dada's golfing. And he's like, no, Dada golf. Dada. And it's just little things like that, like, crush me because he's starting to like have more feelings and he's just he's a little human now instead of like you know a little blob yeah we can definitely relate yeah they're they're little potatoes at first but it's like those moments are always like yeah like crushes but it's like it's good to know that they miss you or good to know you're missed no we're up at the lake right now and i went on a boat

ride and and nally was filming river well we were we were all gonna go and then river did not she pitched to fit didn't want to go she's like i want to go back in the house and like okay whatever I'll stay with you. So we stayed back. And then as soon as they pull off and drive away, she's like, picks up the remote control, puts it up to her ear.

And she's like, Dada, why you leave me? Why you leave me on a boat? I was like, you didn't want to go. Remember? That was good to be missed.

No, you know? Oh, sweet. Do you all want more or do you feel like y'all are content with one? You know, we've been through a lot as a family. I had a second trimester loss last, or last fall.

Thank you. sadly not our only loss but so I've kind of I've been through a lot and after that it was it was pretty traumatic just everything that I had to go through to not be pregnant anymore yeah that was a lot

so I'm still kind of recovering mentally I'm not totally recovered thank God but probably not right now I'm 37 I know I'm kind of like oh like how many to decide but for now we're just I call it one and fun for now.

Yeah, yeah. That's kind of, I mean, yeah, that's, you know, we experience the same thing. We had three of three miscarriages and it's such a hard thing to like, yeah, like you're saying, to mentally feel like you are moving through it and moving not past it because you don't ever, I don't think move past it. But just get to the other side where you can look at things with like a brighter light and it not feel so dark. The second trimester, I'm so sorry. I mean. Oh, yeah, it was right. A doozy.

It's, yeah, we, my heart goes out to you. It's a very painful experience in every situation is different, but there's no good way to, yeah. But, yeah, we relate to that pain. I'm so sorry you don't deal with that. I hold crew so much tight. Like, it made me really appreciate for even, even more than I already did. Well, you have the SI runway show coming up that's going to be streaming on Hulu. That's very exciting.

So that's going to be your moment. How does Brooks show up for you when you're having your moment in ways that you often are showing up for Brooks? He is the loudest cheerleader. It's like the one event he typically is able to go to with his golf schedule. So he really looks forward to it because I've been with Sports Illustrated for like four years now. And he's gotten to know the staff and the other models. And they adore him because I mentioned earlier. He's like literally one of the girls.

Like he loves a shit talk and drinks spicy margaritas and dress up. Honestly, he's like, what are we going to wear to the red carpet? I was like, he loves it. So I think it's just a fun departure. And also, like, he knows how much I support him. Even when I'm not there, like, I live and die by that scoreboard. And, you know, I make sure crew is watching and understands what's going on. So I think it means a lot to him that he's able to support me in that way.

Is crew going to come to the runway show? Oh, yeah. Well, he comes, but it starts at like 9 p.m. So, you know, I'm not keeping him up. Watch rehearsal. Are you, you still watching a lot of reality TV these days, or have you graduated from that?

No. Do you ever graduate? I don't want to assume. What are you watching these days? We watch 90-day fiancé on TLC. And everything has been off. We watch a lot of Bravo. So I'm taking the Amanda Batula controversy to heart.

Okay. What's, how are you processing that? Do you have, what's your take on that whole situation? So this is tough because people, it's unbelievable how people really live and die by this controversy. And I was always an Amanda Batula stand. Like in a way, I can relate to, I actually blamed Kyle for all this. I can relate in a way of, like, in the early days of mine and Brooks's relationship, he was a big party boy.

He would go out all the time, like all the time. He was Kyle Cook. And I was the Amanda going, I'm ready to settle down. When are you going to stop going out? And then one day I said, you are going to stop fucking doing this or I'm out. And that's where the two roads diverge in the woods. Brooks listened to me and calmed his calm down. And then we got engaged, got married, had a family, life is good.

You know, we went the normal route. But Kyle Cook now said, no, I'm good. I'm not, I'm actually going to double down on my partying and become a DJ and stay out until 6 a.m. So then, then I'm like, well, shit, I kind of, I do have a soft spot for her because she just, she did love him. But he didn't, there was no compromise. And honestly, maybe no compromise on either side now that I'm kind of watching it all play back. Want her to have a little more fun too.

But obviously, I'm a girl's girl and I would never, ever, ever do that to any of my girlfriend. So it's tough to really take a hard stance because there's so many different like sort of layers to it. Yeah. But obviously I think she screwed herself. Yeah. You know, and in so many. What do you think of West these days? I get the whole he's a funny guy, you know.

He's the he's a classic rebound. However, she lives in Manhattan. There's probably 10,000 of him in Manhattan. So she didn't have to go with the one that dated her best friend, you know. know yeah yeah no i get it i just i just empathize with her like i thought that moment last week when she's like crying to me in in and in sierra and she was like i'm just afraid i'm not good for anyone else i just i really believed her that she felt that yeah in a way like you know she loves to play the victim though she likes to say some shit and then people are like but no we love

you yeah well i don't like i'm not excusing her i i just think you're in a relation for 10 years you get divorced and you're just kind of like how do you start over and here's this like funny goofy guy that everyone likes and he's finally in a way your husband wasn't i mean it's i mean i don't get it i've got many a rebound dudes that were just like the funny i i get it yeah he really is you're right that's so good he is the rebound guy he's made a whole career out of it he's not the husband he's definitely the rebound yeah well jetta this has been fun catching up with you don't listen to the haters you know not that my opinion matters i thought you can wear that outfit to church. But, you know, maybe I'm, maybe I'm problematic. I don't know. But I thought you looked

great. We appreciate it taking the time. Congratulations and everything going on. Thanks for, you know, sharing a little bit about your insight with your relationship with Brooke. It's always fun to hear how you guys met and how you guys make such an exciting life work. And congratulations on the SI runway show. We're excited to see it premiere. We're doing it with a lot of friends of show, Camille and Brooks. Brooks. And a lot of great people were also fans of. So congratulations and we're excited. We're excited to see it premiere. Thank you. It was nice to meet you. I feel like we have a lot, a lot in common. A lot in common. Great to meet you, Jenna. You have certainly a lot to talk about.

I'm pretty sure. I think I met Brooks once outside of Craigs between some mutual friends in L.A. Yep. That checks out. He loves the boys. Yeah. I think I met him once. Anyways, great talking with you, Jenna. Thanks for taking the time. Bye. Bye. Bye. She was fun. I also loved that she's watching Summerhouse. I'll say I've never felt uglier. As soon as she popped on, I was like, I'll kill myself. I said, you know what?

And I'll see myself out. You guys are both really gorgeous. And I wanted to ask her, like, what should I wear at the next master's? Like, I want to go. I want to go. I don't know golf, but I want to go. I just started taking lessons. Like, it's like a new thing that I'm into now.

So if anybody wants to go, we can, wait, you guys, oh my God, we should go golfing. There's four of us. can fit in a golf cart and we can just like we can just drink and oh my god yes are we nothing to you i used to go golfing with my dad well you guys are not here right now but she said there's four of us i said well five six on this couch over here but when you guys come back obviously i would love to go golfing with you guys it'll be you guys in the twins in the other car oh my god exactly oh wait that's so cute we can get baby seeds you guys yeah four verse four i can't believe we're about to have like three

girls. It's like happening real soon. I can't believe I'm 27 with three children. And you know what? You did that. That's crazy. Well, we also had the real house fles of Rhode Island airing on Sunday. First of all, slam pig, great name. Awesome. I've never heard that before. Slam pig has entered my brain and it's never leaving. I love it. They were all like, what does that mean? And I was like, I had an idea just very easily of how it was used. By the way, of what it meant. Sierra, do you remember Jersey a couple seasons ago when it was Jennifer Aden, I think, who like pulled out some like random word of like wolf something or whatever?

And then used it as an insult and everybody was like, I don't know what that is. It's like going to like a definition of it and it just doesn't land. Yeah, but this one landed. It was like I knew what a slam pig was. No definition needed. Yeah, I got, I got what I picked up what she was putting down. Yeah. When she slammed down.

Yeah. I got it. And then Kelsey decided to like throw out accusations towards Rosie. Are these cheating accusations that? that Kelsey threw Rosie's way. Have these are the first time they've been brought up? As far as I know, right? I don't know if it's been brought up previously in the season.

The ones that Kelsey brought up about Rosie with like the coach. Yeah, the basketball coach and some other person. Well, Rosie said in our show that these were well-known rumors like in Rhode Island. Or like around Rhode Island where she said that because she was a news reporter. Yeah. Or like a school journalist. People just started small chattering, changing the story. Yeah.

And then identifying her with it. So I think it's just like that's well- unknown in Rhode Island. Yeah, within Rhode Island, there was, like, the basketball coach, like, did get called out for having an affair. But she was out of different school, right? Yeah, they, like, conflated her with the girl. You know what?

You should just go back and listen to our episode with Rosie, where she breaks down this entire rumor and gives us all the tea behind it and how it got started. I don't think Kelsey is as funny as she thinks she is. Or maybe, do you think she thinks she's funny? Or do you think when she just, like, it doesn't land? She's like, oh, I was just joking? because like last episode she shows up in the range rover like screaming in the microphone the siren she's the real estate police and then that's a joke and then today i don't i just don't get

how being called a slam pig and then showing up with a sash for like game night where there's a bunch of kids yeah wearing a sash that says slam pig is like i don't know if that's like the own that she thinks it was i don't know it's just like you're wearing it you're the one wearing the sash that says slam pig. Sounds like you're owning it. I think she sadly kind of ate though because it's like are you either, you have two options. You create drama

by being like that was mean or you just own it and like they can't use it against you. But then she's going to be branded. We know how Housewives branding works. She's going to be branded as a slam pig. Now it's kind of kind of country. It also just wasn't funny. Well now the internet will literally

always have memes if they want to of like Kelsey wearing a sash that says slam pig on it. And I just feel like maybe that like she might come to regret that. Yeah, because I'm certainly going to use them. What I will say is that I'm kind of glad she did, though, because I also, like, don't think it landed. And I feel like the people that have been riding for her this whole time are finally like, okay, like, let's calm down. And I feel like the dynamics are starting to shift a little bit where people are like, okay, you like won't drop this.

And like you're, you're looking for trouble now. So I'm like, okay, I feel like people are coming around to seeing some of her, like, not so nice side. I also feel like you can tell that like Kelsey's relationship status is bothering her because like she goes to this dinner with her new boyfriend and it's like a triple date all the husbands are there and then she's like asking the husbands like what do you think of like how I move in relationships and I just feel like that would be like a nightmare situation for her new boyfriend because I just feel like it would be fairly emasculating for most men to have your girlfriend's bills being paid by another man specifically like your rent in life insurance or like any type of insurance which is the type of like payment where

it's like he is literally taking care of her because like that's her house and like her insurance and it just feels like he's only doing it because apparently like it just implies that your new boyfriend can't do it and then she's explaining this to like two other men who no doubt would be like yeah I would never be uncomfortable with that they don't really know how to answer that and the way she's just trying to almost convince everyone that how she moves is normal while everyone kind of like having this deer in headlights look being like yeah no totally it's like you know do do you it was like a question that was meant for couples therapy or like behind closed doors that she asked to the friend group which then feels weird because now her boyfriend can't really say anything yeah

or he feels like it's like making him be like oh like I have insecurity issues where I'm like no it it is a little uncomfortable you're either the guy who's like yeah no that doesn't bother me but then you're the guy who that doesn't bother, which like almost is just as weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like handing over like it's okay that she's being taken care of by another man because I can't.

But it's also kind of like, it's again, it's just weird that she even wants to bring this up on like a as a group debate. And like, I don't know. Yeah. You're emasculating the guy that you're with. It's couple's therapy.

Save it for a different context. Yeah. And also just say like you're not really capable of taking care of yourself because I think that's a big part of it too. She said she doesn't know how to do. She doesn't know what a mortgage is. she doesn't know any of that stuff. So I'm like, I also think that it's kind of like the guy being like, if I don't do this,

who is going to do it for you? Right. You know what I mean? She's going to be homeless. Yeah. In essence, it's like better to be vulnerable and just be like I actually like I don't really feel like I have a choice. Like I don't have a career.

I don't have the finances to do it myself. So like you can't blame her. I mean, you can't. It's like I understand the circumstances. But you also can't blame her because she like gave up her independence to be with the man. Right. So, like, he does, my man does kind of over, like. No, you're not wrong, 100%.

Yeah. She did give up her independence to be with a man, but she did know, like, she made that choice. It's not like he forced her to do that. Yeah. Like the sentences, she gave it up. Yeah, like, she chose to do that. I'm not saying that there weren't, like, certain power dynamics probably present in her relationship. Suddenly, Mary's backtracking on misogy, but okay.

No, I do. I'm like, okay. Let me. Suddenly, Mary's no longer feminist. Suddenly I hate women Yeah Anyways so what I'm trying to say is that obviously Like she made the choice to do that

But then there are certain power dynamic That like yeah he because of that Like he probably was like controlling about finances and stuff With her and like didn't give her the opportunity to learn She didn't do it on her own Which is kind of her fault What complicates all of this is the fact that she may have allegedly Not even been with the man before filming and ask the mom to be

filming in her house. Yeah. What? Those are the whole thing. Rosie, but everybody's saying that like she... This happened a year ago. Yeah, that she was already broken up before filming but then like convinced the mom to let her film in the house.

Because his mom owns the house, not her man. Yeah, yeah. I missed this. This that's we're watching unfold is kind of like... A fake storyline because it's like her like asking her boyfriend, which I think they're friends to like use this as like to move back into the house to fill. for the show. So when Rosie's like, where's your house? That's what she's actually saying.

Yes, that's a Rosie saying. Period. Yeah. And. Okay. Not to derail the combo, but that's what to me, I always think about that while we're talking about this. Like, it's like, well, this is all. Because I was going to try to give Kelsey the benefit of the I think we should, though. I love Kelsey. Because I was like, she did make a point where I'm like, yeah, just because you guys didn't get married, you were with somebody for

10 years. So I'm like, we're watching the same shit play out with Doreet and all of these people going through messy divorces that are like, I feel entitled to alimony and she should. I think she is. I'm just. support sugar babies should get alimony yeah is that what i said in their time yes it is i feel like kelsey should have been in the car with liz and alicia when they were talking about the definition of homeless mary and i had this debate we did have this debate yesterday okay i'm curious how y'all feel about it i'm team

alicia here i'm team alicia as well like how many nights do you have to like be without a home to feel like at some point in your life you were homeless and obviously there's a difference between being in a position where you don't have like your family home but you have other people within your family and your community that you can like stay with than being on the street or in your car yeah but like you still don't have a home after i was in a relationship where i lived with the guy was very bad i moved out i felt very you know i was like i'm not going to call my family and tell everyone like this is what happened so i lived in my car for like a little over a week and i feel like during that time i'm I was homeless.

Yeah. Yeah. You didn't have your own home. If you have to ask a favor or permission to stay at another house, that's not yours. Yeah. And you have nowhere else to go but a hotel, even if you can afford a hotel, you're still homeless. Yeah. And I also just think anybody getting so particular about the definition of it, I'm like, well,

if you haven't experienced it, then I don't know that you should be the one like policing how you use that term. Yeah. And I'm like, now it's a big. bigger deal where she basically, I agree with what she said, where she's like, I was being vulnerable and, like, shared something. And now you're criticizing the verbiage and the way that I said it. Like, you didn't grow up living my experience. And like, yeah, maybe compared to people who are living on the street or living in shelter. Yeah, exactly. Unhoused. Like, of course, like, there's variations of that definition. But I'm like to be so nitpicky about that. I'm like, it's, I don't know, it's kind of giving like

hater or like, I don't know. I think my take on it is that I didn't like how the conversation went because I agree with you guys. I think like that's Alicia's like way that she experienced and how she voiced it. But I do see what Liz is saying where she's saying like the term homelessness implies something more. Like broadly when people use that, that implies something so specific that might have not been what they observed Alicia to have experience. You know. Yeah, but that's so what. It was a little invalidating though, but I see what Liz was saying.

I think I, I just wonder like what because I don't think that Liz's actual issue with Alicia is this homelessness thing. it obviously is something else. And it's this little thing that she's nitpicking to like project all of her issues onto it. I feel like it's, yeah, I feel like it's Liz is like the matriarch of the group. And I feel like she's like the, you know, almost like the story police. Yeah. And she's like that's not right. I think she has a way of kind of minima, you know, just like.

Let her do it. She also knows everybody's family too. So I think for her that she's like, that's not fair for you to say for your, you know, whoever's sake that took care of you or whatever. But that's what I'm saying is like even whose husband was also saying that he grew up really close to Alicia's, like his mom was friends with Alicia's mom. Yeah. It was like someone Jo Ellen knows. So like I think there's a world where all of these people that know their family is like what you experience is not what we consider homelessness.

But that is what it felt like. But it's also. Yeah. What you saw from the outside of some family could be completely different than what Alicia lived. Clearly we have Joellen who's like, this is what my mom did to me. And Alicia's like, oh my God, I always remembered your mom to be just. Like this sweet loving parent, this is so shocking to me. So like clearly Liz might not just like know the full story.

And also just like justice for Alicia. She just wants her 10% of pizza mama, a cracker. A crack. And have a good day. Like let her cook. She's so cute. She's so cute. Could you imagine if I made you give me like a business plan to like share?

Her poster boards. It was so sad. It was so cute. I love her. I love Alicia. She's becoming Meredith Mark's level to me of like, I love her. Yeah. Her cameos are awesome.

Awesome too. She's like, I just hit my woman with that car. And like, then I just got to, I know you and I both love crackers. My dear friend Ashley, does she know what show she signed up for? I don't know, but you should tell her. She's the guys. We're only talking about drama. I love sex.

I love Ashley. She knew and she's delivering. She's delivering. Those tears, give me more. Give me more. I loved, was Liz or someone just like, just don't cry. Just don't cry.

Wait, I didn't like, I think it was Joe Ellen that was like, you're being embarrassing in your own spot or whatever. I was like, be quiet. I'm like, she's allowed to cry at her birthday party. You know what I mean? It's like, it's her birthday. She can cry. She had Meredith Mark's level when she came out of nowhere with like the screaming.

Yes. And I was like, thank you. Give me more. It was so funny. It's a family establishment. You got Kelsey walking in with a slam pig sash. I'd cry. Right.

You know the kids are like, what is that though? And then all these women are. And you have Jared being like, and who is the Star Wars character? Yeah. No, no. The best is after Ashley's crash out. And you hear Jared say something. And she goes, okay, so what's Star Wars?

That was so mean. No, no, no. It was specifically right. So what's the big blue bug? And then Alicia goes, I think it's just the big blue bug. Yeah. No, but it was. It was actually so funny.

She's so funny. It was her completely every mental breakdown out of that just going. Okay. The women hiding under the table. The women hiding under the table. She's like, what is the big blue bug? I got to fucking. They had some ankle strength to be in those heels squatting under the table.

I clocked about it. And also, like, good on Jared when Ashley was kind of like freaky on. He was like, like, hey, like, they're fighting. Like, it kind of like was just kind of like it is what it is. Like, let's not make a big bigger deal out of it. But it was just like, I don't know. He kind of gave like good husband vibes where it's just like, hey, honey, I know. This is fucking crazy.

They're adults. But like, like, what are we going to do? Right. I was like, good on Jared for kind of like being like, hey. Yeah. Simmer. That's okay. Well, in other Housewives news, did you see that.

Doreet might lose her house. Really? It was like this past week that like her, I don't know how it exactly works, but it like it was like the auction date where it was like the foreclosure date of her house and that got delayed for some reason. Allegedly payments were made like word on the street is that PK made some payments. Don't know if that's accurate, but it was delayed for like a week or something. but it's still like very much like

the clock is ticking. That's going to be like Has there been a housewife who's ever like lost their house in a foreclosure? I don't think so. I mean Taylor Armstrong lost everything. Yeah.

Maybe there is no plane. I think there's a lot of different examples. I think and what it was is that the sale date was postponed. The sale date, yeah. The sale of like other people being going to come in an auction on this house

or bid on the house. They do like an auction. How far behind are they on the payments? I don't know that we know that. But it's getting postponed because they're like filing new legal documents like that are postponing it of like who was supposed to pay what. Because Dorit's the one also living in the house. Well, I don't know if that. I mean, again, I'm no lawyer, but I don't know if that matters at this point because at this point it doesn't matter who's paying for it or who should pay for it.

The point is it's not being paid for. And now at this point, the bank's like, I don't care. You guys owe us money to the extent that like we're going to foreclose on this house. because like when you have a mortgage, like, you know, you borrow a couple hundred thousand dollars or maybe more or maybe a couple mill. Like the bank is technically the one who owns the house under the agreement that you'll make these continued payments,

but if you don't, the bank has the right to take the house away from you. And it really doesn't matter who's paying it or not paying it. Doreet recently did an interview. Who is it with, access or something? Extra. And they're like asking her about like the alleged like accusation that she spends over a million dollars on like, like, you know, clothes and things like that.

She's like, I love clothes. I do not spend a million dollars. There's two sides of every story. Do I spend a lot of money on high fashion? I mean, I love fashion. I do. But then she was also like basically like, my money is my money and P.K.'s money is P.K.' But now you see like these reports of like,

I don't know, these texts where like you have to read like almost blackmailing or like demanding PK. So it's like I feel like these interviews can't be doing her any good in the court of law because here she is being like my money is my money and his money is his money. So if she's trying to argue for like any type of additional money that he gives, like how does that work?

She said also in that interview like I found out briefly before about the foreclosure when the world found out. That's not going to stand up in the court of law. The bank's not going to care. They're going to be like, oh, you didn't know. Okay. Cool. But that's what I think all the legal, a lot of legal filings are is that her being like, well, his name, like he was supposed to be paying it. but I didn't realize so recently that he wasn't paying it. I feel like that's when you're, like, accessory to murder, you know?

And then you're like, oh, but I didn't know that there was a dead body in the trunk. Like, I was just driving the car. I didn't know if that's how that works. I mean, with, like, Erica Jane, obviously she had to move. Did she lose her house? She didn't lose her house because it was Tom Gerardis. Tom's house and she ended up getting her own. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, she moved out. But also, congratulations, Erica. She seemed to settle her case. I don't know what that means for her or how much money she had to pay, but hopefully for Erica, this ends a very dark chapter in her life. Is her legal issues now done?

Or is this like one of many things that she's going to have to face? Well, so this was the $25 million lawsuit, and we don't know the details of what the settlement is as of now. But she's said this before where it's like, these cases are going to just keep popping up

like one after the other, after the other for a while. So like she said like this is, even if she wins one case, it means that there's a long, journey of another case or something ahead of her. This was just one of the major ones that a lot of people were following. Because she won another one not too long ago also.

The anxiety that I would have if I were her, just anticipating, just knowing that that's coming. And it's her by proxy of Tom Gerardio. It's so sad. I mean, I can't wait for the next season of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I mean, I don't wish, like, obviously the stuff on anyone. But if Dorit does lose her house, that is going to be a very fascinating thing to watch to see her have to, like, move out of that house into something I assume is going to be much, much smaller.

Speaking of Beverly Hills, there's a lot of discourse in Bravo Nation about who is going to be back next season for the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Who do we have confirmed back? I don't think we have anybody can burn back. Anyone? No one's confirmed? No, no one's confirmed. Just people are speculating

on who they want to come back. Who do they want to come back? Well, we doubt Amanda's returning. Yeah. By her own, I think Amanda's declining the opportunity to come back. I still want her to return. I know. I'm going to go, I'm going to bet that she will. I'm going to manifest it.

Yeah, let's manifest it. Manifest it. I think she's already manifested that she's not. Do we think there's a world in which Crystal would ever go back? The streets are saying that she's in conversation. I would love Crystal to come back. I think she would make a good main cast member. I think she'd make a good friend of.

Personally, I need her back. I love her so much and I want to see her just. She's a sore. She's the voice of her. reason. But if Crystal comes back, does that mean we're getting Sutton Strack back? Are we getting... RIP Sutton Brown? Which one? Are we getting fancy pants? Are we

getting fancy Drew? Are Crystal and Dorit close? Are they friends? Never. No. No, no, no. Well, they're friendly. See, like, I really would want Crystal back if Derreet has to deal with the foreclosure of her house and get a new house. Because, like, again, the way

DeRite talks about finances and money, it just seems like she just makes stuff up and Crystal is so like matter of fact and like detail oriented and like very you know she knows her shit I would just love to see Crystal constantly like call out Doreet when Doreet's like making up stories about like how she is moving with her finances and like I also think that would be a lot of fun I also like Kyle needs a shake up a backup no I don't know that she'd be

Kyle's backup she wouldn't be Kyle's backup no they're not on I was like nothing just all that screams to me is just that that they fucking took where Crystal's like real real rich lady sorry but she is and it's just like Wait which fly Tasman? No it's overseas Remember and and

Durit's wearing like head to toe Dior or Chanel pajamas and Crystal's like side interview is like well I don't know why she would even want to sleep in that like mine are from Costco and I'm just like that is so like she's like she knows how to spend her money right yeah she does well so Nick is

referencing how people were predicting who could be like friends of or new cast members. And the names that came up were Lori Loughlin, Emma Greed, and Crystal. Lori Loflin would be interesting too because we would get like the remnants of like the college scandal. Olivia Jade. Which is what Mary and I had to go through. So like that would be interesting. She would be awesome.

I don't think she's going to do it. I think that's a wish list both with Emma and Lori. But it would also get closer. Nobody thought Jennifer Tilly would do it. That's true. And it's going to get closer to what my hope for the real house was of Beverly Hills. is which is for it just to become a real life version of Desperate Housewives. Yes.

But I like want to see like people with like real stories, real, you know, in backgrounds. Yeah. Also Crystal's real friends with like Jennifer and Kathy Hilton. It's like that low key would be those friends would become the main cast members. Yeah. It may be friend of some of the main cast. Well, here's my question though. Who let's say if Crystal came in as like, if she came back as a friend or something,

whose friend would she be? Jennifer Tillie, Kathy Hilton. But there can you be a friend? of a friend of. I think so. Yeah. I kind of feel like some of like Boz's friends are like friend of a friend of. I'm like, hi, girl with cast. Where did you come from? She's friend-ish with Sutton. That's true. Friendsish. Was that Natalie? There's Natalie who went on the trip, but there's the other friend that she had at the dinner when Maricio popped up and it was just like the one that got the happy ending massage or something. No, no, no, no, happy ending was Natalie. But the one who had like the sprained wrist or something. Yeah, but I was like, she was there for two episodes or something and it was like, okay, bye. I think what I thought Bose was kind of. of doing was it was kind of testing but I also gave like both had friends that she was like you know it would be really fun if you just like came on for an episode or she's probably seeing like it'd be nice to bring maybe one of my real friends on the show so maybe if you're interesting enough they'll cast you yeah but I don't think that worked out no they were too normal well it'll be really interesting to see

who actually gets cast time to transition to perfect match what do you guys think of Marissa's explanation of why she constantly interrupts and fights I didn't love it And I'm an ADHD neurodivergent girlie. And I, yeah, I didn't like it. I think, I don't know. I didn't like it. I was like, if somebody gives you feedback on like communication, I think it's really frustrating for your partner when you're like,

well, this is just who I am. I can't help it. And yes, like she did kind of say, I'm working on it and it's getting better and all that. But it's like, but you have to just own it when you, when you flub. And instead of being like, I know, but I didn't, I didn't even finish my sentence. I just, whatever. It's like, yeah, just be like, I'm.

so sorry, I'm working on it. I think about this all the time nowadays because I feel like, you know, today's culture, like with the way we have like watered down the meaning of words. Like, I think many of us, including yourself, I'm sure, Susie, myself as well, as I've gotten older, like when I was younger, when I was this called absent minded aloof, I'm still called those things, right? Like, I do have a bad habit of interrupting. I have a bad habit of like dazing off and things like that. And when I got older and we learned about all these kind of like conditions and the way like therapy speak and we got so much more knowledgeable, instead of people becoming like, you know, for me more than anything, it was like, oh,

now I understand why. I'm not just like deficiently made, you know, in a sense. Like it was, it's a better way to understand yourself. But now in culture, we just, we don't use it as a way to understand ourselves. We use it as a way to explain how people need to put up with us in a way. So when you start dating someone, the way Marissa is talking about this is as if like, well, you're just going to have to accept who I am. And that's not usually how it works. Especially when you just start dating someone, like for me, it's a way to be like, okay, I have a propensity of doing this. Like, this is why my brain works this way. And while it's difficult for me to do and I will always have to work on it, it is a me problem. And I can't expect people not to get frustrated

with me because are you going to go around the world and just like every interaction you meet someone like label yourself this certain way like it's a great way to understand yourself and give yourself more grace and obviously in a relationship as you get to know someone they can like will they'll give you more grace but like you you're dating someone for three days and you're arguing with them constantly when you use that type of language nowadays it seems like you're not being sensitive like you're not you're it's a you problem like you're Like you're now like not recognizing the problem I have and you're not giving me grace. And in a way it almost feels that you're weaponizing against the person you're trying to like connect with more.

I mean, it's honestly kind of a hard topic to discuss sometimes because it I think like what you said like that's why like adult diagnosis of like autism and stuff like that is so important because it helps you understand yourself. And so many people like, well, I've gotten this far and I'm fine. And it's like yeah, but like once you become aware, then there's like tools that are accessible to you. And like there's so many things that like in becoming like self aware and understanding these things or these labels. It's like, okay, those are our tools. And it's great to make your partner or your friends aware so that they can, they can be more patient with you. But there you can't have the expectation. Like I've learned that myself.

Like you can have the expectation that people aren't going to be upset or frustrated. Right. And it's like you have to be able to put your guard on and be like, I understand this can be frustrating. And I'm really working on it because I really care about you. I was going to say, like, I was trying to formulate, like, I kind of understand Marissa's point of view also. Because I think also throughout the process, like, even I think back to when they had the boardroom and she was like, oh, well, if this friend comes in, like, is she going to be just a friend? And he was like, I don't know. Like, so there's a little bit of insecurity that kind of forces her to then be fast to, like, speak for him. Yeah, but if you want honesty in your relationship, that requires sometimes hearing a hard truth. And if you're dating someone early on and you're not exclusive or fully committed.

committed, you know, you have to be open to receiving that. Like, you know, when I and I first started dating, like, we were, you know, we weren't together. So we were really open and honest about, like, our dating lives outside of dating each other. And, like, you know, it helped that we didn't, like, get, like, use that against each other for being honest. And Marissa's doing the thing where it's just, like, she, she's listing all her expectations and demands. And as soon as he's, like, trying to just be up, he's just, hey, I'm just going to be honest. Like, then she gets mad at him. So it's like you're setting this kind of like standard of like don't tell me the only tell me the things that you know won't upset me. And I guess if it upsets me like what is Damari supposed to do anytime she asked him a question and the answer he knows might upset her. I think they need a talking stick. Yeah. Like that's what I was thinking. I was like just let each other get your words out. Because like every time I feel like it was it was you're interrupting but then you're being sarcastic. And it's like well I feel like we're we're now talking about how you're talking. You're talking. You're talking about how you're talking. to each other versus the actual issue.

I do love how DeMari was like, do you want me to get at your level? I mean, I thought it was crazy when you told her to calm down. I learned at a very early age, never tell a woman to calm down. You shouldn't do that. No, don't do that. When he said that, I was like, oh, boy. But I do like how he followed it up with where he was like, well, do you want me to get to that level?

Which is like, actually like, you know, I've never had it heard it framed that way where it's like. Like it's a visual. Like, get the visual of like, I'm here. I can match you here. but I would rather have you match me here. I thought it was like a great way of articulating like how a fight is about to like elevate. Because yeah, like Natalie said, it really pictures like what the fight is about to be.

Also watching them, I just, I had this thought where I was like, I've had relationships for like from the get go. It's like, we can't get on the same page. That's what this feels like to me where I'm like, they're either going to like buckle into this and be that couple that fights all the time. And they are that couple And that just sounds so miserable Like to me I'm like I just think you guys are not On the same page and you should just go

Your separate ways because you Their whole relationship feels like it's just arguing The whole time They're all gonna just go kiss other people after Right yeah Holy shit breaking nose Speaking of while we're talking about Who Might be back for the Real Housewives

of Beverly Hills Amanda Francis has posted this That Rihanna hit her up in the DMs I love it when Rihanna uses her powers for good Rihanna, no, no, nope. Three exclamation points. No quitting three exclamation points. You're going to have a redemption.

I promise you. We need more of you. And Amanda's like, does this mean I shouldn't quit? Or does this mean that should come back? Yes. Yes. That might be enough to change Amanda's mind. Like, do you dare go against Rihanna's wishes?

Rihanna and I both are manifesting it. And she just has the power to DM her directly. Exactly. So thank you. We manifested this. We did. And then Rihanna. Sent the DM.

She heard the manifestation. She is the god that was like, yes. Yeah, we actually told Rihanna to tell Amanda that she should go back to. Did you see there's a picture of Bramon leaving, it might have been the Metcala, but leaving a party with Rihanna. And they're like, now Bramon has the ultimate, like, card for Lisa to be like, well, I have a photo with Bronwyn. Do you think in those moments, they're exchanging numbers? Yes. Yes.

I think with like, when you're Rihanna's favorite, yes. Like, do you have to wait for Rihanna to ask? Or do you are like, hey, like, girl, like, we should, like, grab lunch sometime. Bronwyn has the Riz, but I think other people probably don't. Did you see the flower arrangement that she sent Mia from Summerhouse? Like, the size of this tree behind? Oh, my gosh.

Like, it was insane where I'm like, and she's now she's a fenty girl and whatnot. They went to dinners or something together. And I'm just like. Rihanna knows what's up and she should be an executive producer. Yeah. Just a Bravo in general. She used to be, like, CFO of Bravo Network in general. Give her something.

Give her something. She should get it. or creative director. Creative director, credit at Bravo. She's never been and watch what happens live, has she?

No, I don't think so. Or hear me out, next Bravo show she does the title sequence. Bring her back to music. We don't need the album. Just give us the Bravo title sequence. We'll give you a pass

for the album for that. Yeah. Well, we do have Jimmy Soto's up next and he can give us all the inside scoop of all of these relationships inside the house. So let's bring in Jimmy and get some more answers.

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How are you doing? Good. How are you? Are we starting? Yeah, we're starting, man. You don't want to start? No, my bad. You have to, like, pre-game?

Yeah, he's got tequila in there. No, I did not. Where am I looking? There's like two cameras, or four cameras, two TVs, humans. Whichever TV works for you. Yeah. We got a lot of different options for you. Well, Jimmy, since.

it seems like a fairly calm and drama-free experience in the perfect match house. I mean, it feels like you had the benefit of connecting with Allison pretty quick. Yeah, totally. Yeah. So I imagine you got like a front row seat of all the other drama that was going on in the house better than maybe most. Yeah, I mean, I was in the mix, but kind of not in the mix, kind of just like a bystander, I guess. Was that intentional to be unproblematic, I guess, not get too involved in the drama? Honestly, it was that one night with.

Catherine and then McKenzie and that was enough for me. Really? Yeah. Did you have a pit? I just felt, I felt sour about the whole situation because it was like I had to ask Kat a lot of vulnerable questions to get her to open up like really quick and I would never really want to actually do that that fast to somebody. Like what was one of those questions that maybe you asked that we didn't get to see?

Like, I mean, on like a first date, I'm not really trying to ask you like what makes you tick. What are you passionate about? Like, what are your ambitions and like desires and what do you want to get out of life? What are you asking on your first day? Yeah, I love that on a first day. Where are you from? What you like to do?

What you like? What coffee do you drink? Yeah, you fuck with basketball. Like, yeah, what kind of coffee you drink is? Wait, how did you coming on perfect match even become a thing? Honestly, I don't even know, man. I was playing ball in London. And so, like, I initially did, like, the casting process for Love Island.

And after, like, the first round of auditions or is it an audition or a casting? Casting. Cautonomous? Call it whatever you want, yeah. So I did like the first round, I called my manager, and I was like, hey, this shit not for me. Like, no shot in hell. What was it like?

What was that casting process like that made you be like, now fuck this? The first one was just like a conversation. You get to know somebody. And I kind of like looked into Love Island after because I don't really watch reality TV. Like I don't really know much about this world. And I was like, y'all know, this shit is messy.

Like apparently people have like come off the show and hurt themselves. And I was like, I don't know if this is for me. And then I saw the clips going like stupid on Twitter. Twitter. And like, for it to go on my Twitter, I was like, hey, I damn there fumbled. So, like, I told my manager, if another one comes my way, like, I kind of want to see it through. And then it just happened to be while I was playing ball in London. So I did the auditions while I was over there. And then I really was like, like, I just want to see if I could even, like, get the part. Like, I wonder if, like, they'll even fuck with me for real. So. And then they did. And then I found out

I was, like, the first non-former reality TV person to do the show. And it was, like, a big deal. So I was going to say, how is the internet received you being an influencer? by title versus a reality TV star. Good, bad, you know, I guess depends what's the side of the internet that you on. I feel like the resounding thing that I've seen is that we did not expect to like you, but you grew on us. That's actually way better than the opposite when people come in with this high expectation of, oh, I love this person from this show.

And then all they do is like fumble from there on out. And, you know, their cue score just goes down low. It's better to be on the up trajectory. Yeah, but I just, I feel like I'm always having to, like, deal people like, oh, you're actually cool. Oh, you're actually a good guy. Like my whole life. Like, oh, you're actually smart.

Yeah. I should just get to know. Jimmy, welcome my world, bro. Well, I mean, you're from Wisconsin, bro. You went to UW, so. Oh, is that a little shame? Well, speaking of people who, like, started on a really high note,

Marissa, who were all just, we're all big fans of her. We love her. I've met Marissa in person. She is a lovely, lovely person. But obviously, this season of perfect match, we have seen a different side of Marissa that's locked into it with the Marissa.

What was it like to see that couple dynamic throughout this process? Was it more intense being there right by side them? Are we only seeing like the most intense moments, but they were mostly chill? What was it actually like to be watching Marissa and Damari go at it? When I first came into the house, she kind of like was the first person to talk to me and like show me the ropes a little bit. And like initially I kind of went like vial for this shit. But like she was giving mommy vibes. So like her and Damari was like mom and dad and they was kind of like putting me on game.

then I just thought they were so solid and then over time I was like oh there's kind of some cracks here and then I don't know man I get Damari's side and I get Marissa side it was I mean there was a night that like there was only one camera person left

to film that scene because it was after damn near work hours so like everybody went home and one person had to stay and they was just crashing out on that cabana all night talking in circles how long do you think they argued for bro it was a minute like me and Allison pulled up a chair

buy our little like corner room and was literally watching like I remember I was I was just eating chicken fajitas with this hot sauce and I was just watching them just go and it was kind of nosy of me but what was spicyer the fajita or the argument the fajita for show my stomach was fucked up the whole show yeah did you know that Marissa like brought up her ADHD is a reason for interrupted yeah or is that something you watched back like us so there was a moment where you can see me and Allison talking to Marissa kind of like in the cut. And she was like confiding in us and like almost just like venting that like she can't help this.

That like her ADHD kind of just like wins in these moments. I just felt terrible for her because like if you genuinely cannot control that like and you know it's a problem, you're not proud of it. But like this is a part of you. You want somebody who will embrace you and be gracious with you and like be there with you to like hold your hand as you grow and try to like overcome this like hurdle of yours. but at the same time, Damari deserves somebody who's going to let him talk and be what he needs. I also think it's a high stress situation and it's so rare that you start dating somebody and within four days you're arguing.

Like at that point in the real world, it's like, okay, this is we don't match. But there you're like trying, you're really trying to make something work that maybe doesn't work. So I feel like that was probably very complicated for them both. Yeah. How shocked were you that Ali jumped ship from Jop? Jimmy P to Hashim. Not surprised at all. Really?

No, because it seemed like watching it, like that seemed like that back and forth took all night long. Was that as crazy in real life as it was to watch back? Or were you, like, it seems like you knew that she was going to go with Hashim from the jump. Sorry, let me just walk you through this. It was like, Jimmy was telling Allie one thing, telling another girl another thing. And then Allie was like, oh, shit, if we open, we open. So like, then she started exploring. And then she was like, oh, yeah, I'm really feeling Hashim.

And I'm like, oh, yeah, this, duh. Like, I mean, your man's kind of doing you kind of slimy. And so, like, it only makes sense. And then she was like, oh, no, but now I really like Jimmy. And I was like, oh, wait, now you're doing the whole indecisive, like, whatever astrology signs she is that she, like, can't make decisions. Libra. Yeah, so. How was the other Jimmy doing her dirty?

Didn't he, like, go on a date and kiss cast and shit? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, I would feel like you were doing me. To be fair, I learned a lot as this was all going on. So, like, apparently there's, like, strategies and, like, you have to play your cars a certain way. And, like, I was like, oh, shit, I thought we was just trying to, like, find our person. But, yeah.

You know what I was kind of confused about? And I'm curious what you all think. Because early, Allie was like, you know, you know, when your head and your heart want two different things. I, in my mind, it seemed like she really wanted to, like, jump Hashim's bones. And then she also seemed like, you know, thought Jimmy was a good guy. And they had built a base. Honestly, when she said I'm confused between my head and my heart, I assumed that the head wanted Jimmy and the heart wanted Hashim. But when after she locked in with Hashim, she said that it was the head that wanted Hashim and the heart that wanted Jimmy.

And I was a little confused because, like, I feel like the head would be the more logical choice. And the heart would be the more like, I want to jump this person's bones right now. But like, maybe I'm wrong. See, my thought was like, see, what do you think? I don't know. My thought was like, see, I'm thinking like different head. So like when I think with my head, right? That's why I was thinking maybe.

Fair enough. So maybe Allie was speaking, dude. As if she had a, you mean, you know? Yeah. I think. You can say penis on the show, Jimmy. Yo, speaking of, what's her name? Kayla, the penis fly trapper is crazy.

Oh. I miss that. Yeah, wait. That's like her title. You know, I'm like Mr. Ty-Y-B or some shit. Yeah. Props to her, though. Because, like, good for her for, like, clocking Damari when he would finally sat down with a chat with her.

And she was like, yo, like, you clearly don't want me. Like, you've been trying to figure out your relationship with Marissa. So I got to say shout out to her because usually in reality TV, people don't have that type of guts. I got some inside scoop on that. She was, like, vetting me on the whole, like, is Damari, like, feeling me or what? Like, what's going on there? And I'm like, I don't know. Like, he got to figure some shit out of Marissa.

And then I was talking about her. I was like, but, like, you know, like, Hashim and the app. situation, I was like, that's looking a little dicey too. Like maybe go holler him. She was like, I think I want Weston. And then just like walked away from me, started talking to him. And I was like, fuck you. Love that. Love that.

She knows what she wanted. Did Weston tell you, Jimmy, that you have to put food on the table? Like, you seem to tell everyone else? No, he told me that he could beat me one-on-one. And I was like, you're talking to the wrong person right now. That was the first conversation we had. I was like, I know you don't play ball for it because you wear low-cut socks with hot top shoes. No.

Telltale sign. Every lady he's hit down with, he's like, either you're going to be foot on the table or you're not going to put food on the table. He's just as simple as putting food on the table. He speaks in quotes. And he doesn't have bars. I ain't go to lie. He kind of put me on game, do a lot of things. Is he a football player?

I think he's just like a cowboy. Oh, he's a cowboy. Yeah. Just a cowboy. He's a great dude, though, like, genuinely. Did you understand Ali's humor? I feel like the internet. We know Ali personally.

I feel like the internet isn't really understanding her humor. No, is she getting hit? I think Ali is like the funniest person ever. I love Ali. No way people are. I mean, I guess I can see it. If you don't know her, she probably come across as like psycho, like just like high maintenance, damn near just like a loose screw.

But as a homie, she's hilarious. Yeah. I love her. Like legit. When she said, I just don't know who to choose, I think I need to go to the doctor for chronic. So I got a little tight with her I got a little tight with her Because I was like

Hey you're a big girl like Make a fucking choice Like you damn near know what choice You wanted to make too Like she was She was like leaning Hashim the whole time And then she kept saying like this whole like But Jimmy

But Jimmy And that's why I was so glad Alice it was like I like her I'm not gonna match with her I like her like You know If Jimmy didn't leave

Who do you think she would have gone with? Hashim She just didn't want to like Tell Jimmy Yeah Yeah. Oh, yeah. Was anyone like in Jimmy's ear being like,

you should bow out or did Jimmy do that on his own? No, that was all him. It was fast. I respect it. Me too. It was not fast. Yeah. Bro, that shit played out all night.

Did it? Yes. Oh, there's actually, ugh. It felt like a switchflips. That's what I saw. Yeah. Yeah, I guess it wasn't. I don't know.

I'm just reliving that moment and how it played out. And it was like it looked like we was all trying to give him advice. Like, it might have looked like that. We was damn depressing him, like, bro. Like, figure your shit out, like, go get your girl, or stand on whatever the fuck you're saying. Like, but he had to leave, I guess. There could only be one Jimmy in the house.

Yeah, he got me fucked up, bro. I'm sorry. Like, what? Well, a lot of people are speculating, Jimmy, that you still might be with Allison. Obviously, we'll find out at the finale if you guys end up together. Sips coffee. Yeah, people are suggesting that maybe you still together because like you were you were plugging your girls

well I don't know if she's your girl but like at least your former girl or your music music on your Oh yeah that played well right I like that I'm just like wondering if that was like a deliberate Easter egg or were you just like it was that just like an accident No definitely not an accident Yeah that's my dog

She held me down I'm gonna hold her down and Only Time will tell I guess I mean you beat boxed on her leg so Bro That's the fuck do I mean be doing sometimes. Was that one of those like I forgot I was on camera kind of things? Like there's no music.

Like you have to entertain yourself. Like there's no TV. There's no sports to watch. So I'd be fucking around like entertaining myself. And I can only just like rot on the pool bed for so long. Didn't you post a video in the villa? Me? Yeah, with Allison.

Yeah. We could get our phone for an hour in the day if we woke up super early. And Lord knows I was up early. Because I had to check like the NBA season just started. And the Bulls were five and out. So I was dialed. And, like, Chaunty Billups, Terry's here,

all got arrested. Y'all probably don't care about this. I remember that. But, like, it was a whole, like, NBA gambling scandal. So I needed my phone. An hour a day, well.

Stay locked in. How was the kissing challenge for you? Was that fun? Like, ooh, I get to kiss 10 girls? Or were you over? No, it wasn't because of that. It was fun. We finally got some music,

so we had these noise-canceling headphones on. So, like, they were playing jams. And whoever was on Ox to this day, I still don't know. Thank you. What was the music? Like, what was alive? It was versatile.

We was playing like throwbacks. Then all of a sudden it would be like future. And it'd be like the type shit future. Like with Playboy Cardi and Drake. So it was just like. That could impact the scores, don't you think? Like that feels like that makes impact.

That's what I said. Makeout song is important. Yo, I had somebody who was a damn good kisser when the weekend was playing. And it was a moment. It was special. It's like a movie. It is a true. Yeah.

But then there were some songs that like, That's actually so true because there was somebody that I didn't enjoy the kiss with and I gave him a score of a point one. And like the music might have also lent it itself to whatever vibe was there. Yeah. Imagine if you're making out to someone and listening to Metallica. Yeah. But also like they're listening, are they listening to the same music that you are too? Or could it be like off singing so like they're slow kissing but you're also like doing it faster?

You know, I don't know. Imagine listen to like techno like 150 BPM. the other person got on like some smooth jazz. Right. Sabatosh. That's a different vibe. Interesting. Okay, I have to say though, Chris, right?

Our guy with the, he was, yeah. Hey, easy on Chris. That's my dog. No, no, no, I'm about to say. Oh, I love Chris. I would have fell for it. I would have liked the handhold and the hand kisses. I would have been like, oh.

Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Like, I think it's funny. I would have felt, I would have ate that shit up. I would have been like, this is my kind of man. I guess kills me. Great. Well, speaking of.

of Chris, Jimmy, I'm curious. Since you're the guy who doesn't want to go that deep on a first date, how do you feel about Chris giving a luxury wallet on the first date to a girl? He still owe me one. Good answer. That's Chris, bro. It's just Chris. And not McKenzie being like, I feel like a hooker.

Yeah, bro. I don't know. And then the whole arm kiss the thing, like before the cameras were rolling, like as soon as we cut like the girls are like somebody was kissing arms somebody somebody said it was Chris me and Damari got on his ass

I didn't feel a little bad don't don't yuck my yum y'all you know what I'm not yuck at it yeah I feel like it's fine that you did that it's just funny that you did it specifically in the kissing challenge when he's kissing 10 girls in a row it's like for sure I want to be intimate I'm like Like that's some one-on-one time shit. It's hot, we're sweating.

Like, you probably, it's salty. Like, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's fair. Do you have a bed and remove that's like your, like, your, like, secret go-to to really win the lady's over? Oh, my God, give up a secret. I'm a, I'm very chill. I'll put the weekend on, a light a candle.

Oh, you on that? No, it's funny. And there is. No, I don't know. I just. Wait. I like that whole thing to be very organic. Wait, going back to McKenzie, I feel like I saw a lot of McKenzie being like, I need to talk to Jimmy, I need to talk to Jimmy, but I never really saw her talking to you.

Like, did you know that she was pining after you that much? That shit came out of left field, bro. That shit came out of nowhere when she was like, I'm actually really, I've been really interested in you. And I was like, whoa, like, especially after I just had to kind of tell Kat, like, it wasn't going to happen. And then Kansas he just shot her shot last second. Like, that was, like, I mean, I'm a basketball player. So, like, that was a full course shot. We don't shoot those shots.

Those are grenades. Were there any connections, Jimmy, of people who, like, never really got together, but you always thought, like, they might have made a perfect match. Damn near Damari and Kayla. Okay. Yeah. When he said, I like braces and glasses, and she goes, pervert. I love that.

Didn't see that part. Oh, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that landed the way he thought it might. You know who I have a lot of respect for is Cass. she don't give a fuck we had one of the craziest conversations ever

that didn't make air it was the night before and I hadn't talked to her and she was like why haven't talked you like can I put you for a chat the whole song and dance and I'm like in the pool swimming I was like kind of stay in the water like I don't really want to do this but like whatever we'll do this and off rip she's like I don't like guys

with cats and I don't like guys who don't let me eat their butt oh my god I was like yeah I respect it I respect it I was like Yo, good for you, Shorty. Like, it ain't going to be me, but like, hell yeah. And then, listen to this.

Listen to this. Dave, hungry ass was eating cheese, right? And he was like, I swam away. And then there's something else I'm eating cheese or somebody eating cheese. And I thought he said eating cheeks. And I was like, oh, y'all just talked to cats too. And it was like, huh? Match me in heaven.

I was like, oh, that's exposed her. Whole time, she said it on camera. Yeah. Fair game. That shit was jokes. She's from Love Island, right? Everyone has their thing, man. She has full-blown conversations with her kitty.

Like, that's crazy. Oh, keep them on the same page. Keep them on the same page. I love her. I love him on the same page. I love her. Wow. That's crazy. This conversation is gone as an awesome way.

Sorry if I took it around. No, no, we love it. Obviously, you have been known on TikTok for how long? I mean, like. COVID-2020. Yeah, it's when you popped off. Yeah. What were you doing that made you pop off?

basketball videos with my shirt off. That'll do it. Yeah. I'll do it. And little did I know how slippery of a slope that would be. How did your coach feel about you becoming a TikTok star while also a basketball player? So check it out. So do you know who Adrian Nunez is?

He played at Michigan. He's a country singer now. And he's also a TikTok star? He and I blew up at the same time. We were kind of like the TikTok basketball boys, right? His coach, Joanne Howard was like, you're bad for the team. This is a distraction in the locker room. Like, what do you think you're doing?

My coach saw kind of like what it could lend it. to. And then the first ever brand deal I did was with Adidas and we were a Nike school sponsored by LeBron. So I had to go to my compliance office like, yo, can I even do this shit? Like, NIL world just passed. So we're all still learning. And then he was like, if Nike doesn't want you to do it, they have to pay you more not to do it. So I was like, oh shit, there's a leverage battle here. Like, oh, there might be some real cheddar in this game. So he was like, keep doing your thing. I don't know what you're doing. I don't really get it. I don't really care to know, but just like keep doing your thing. Green flags.

to him. Yeah, so shout out Hulk. Were your teammates kind of the same way? I didn't realize that at the time, but like, I didn't even know. We didn't know what, like, clout chasing was or, like, oral farming or none of that. But, like, we all knew that if you did a video on my TikTok, everybody was going to get followers and, like, DMs was going to bust. Like, so we was just all just after practice, everybody. Like, yo, we think I do the dance, train, whatever.

And you had everybody taking their shirts off? I mean, it's a basketball locker room, so it was just like. The shirts were off. The shirts were off. I was like, do I need to follow? No, but genuinely, like, I did not know how slippery of a slope that would be like I, I was developing like a cheat code system, like a hack where I would post a brand deal. And because the algorithm disincentivizes brand deals, I would post a thirst trap immediately after. And the views from that would trickle into the brand deals.

So everybody would be happy. And I would do this for like, damn near like two years straight. Just like not even realizing that I'm just like further perpetuating this like like sexualization of my. myself and objectifying myself to the internet. Good problem, I guess, for sure, but, like, devaluing, like, what I have to actually say. Yeah. Sure. So.

Did that ever get in the way of dating, like, you having your TikTok following? Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. And a number of different ways. It was the first, my first girl broke up because she basically gave me an alternate. I'm like, it's either me or the social media stuff. Oh, wow. I'm like, you see what this shit is doing for me? Like, why would I?

Yeah. I was like, I got to play UCLA at Rocket Mortgage in Cleveland. And I was like, I'll come home and I'll let you know. And I came home and all her bags were already packed. I was like, you already know what I was going to decide. Yeah, I mean, you had to. Are there any TikTok dances you've done that you regret? Brother.

More than I'm proud to admit. Like, damn near all. Like, I mean, it worked out, right? But, bro, like, it was the thing. Like, we was doing that little Dolph's shit. It was so many just, like, fake freaky dances that, like, it's just a dance. Like, no, that was freaked out. Like, that shit was why.

What is your biggest dating ick, Jimmy? My biggest dating ick. Yeah. Like what? Oh, girls that think they're funny by like talking shit. You know what I'm saying? Where they're like bid or they're like poke fun or like they're like deprecative, I guess. To you or to themselves?

To me. Yeah. It's like why are you wearing that or like shit like that? This shit gives me so mad. Like so you're a TikToker. Like why you say it like that? You got damn right I make TikToks. I don't like that.

I don't like that. Yeah. They think it's like cute. It's like flirty. He said it Okay And that's a good one Some people like that little banter

Some people like it Yeah So obviously can't disclose Whether you're with Allison or not But like you are like You're Gen Z, yeah? Yeah Are you big on like

We're exclusive but not dating Are people your age being like Will you be my boyfriend or girlfriend? How are you defining a relationship In 2026? I respect everybody's Wishes and Boundaries But me personally

I generally could care less about a title Like, I could go my entire life and not marry somebody and be straight. As long as you and I know what the deal is, as long as we're communicative. And, like, we understand where our boundaries lie and, like, what we're about. Like, me personally, I don't really care for, like, all the titles and shit. But I understand that, like, doing those things helps with, like, security and, like, belonging in the relationship. So I'm willing to, like, I'll do whatever the fuck, like, makes both of us happy, I guess. I get that, yeah.

A little way to look at it. Yeah, I think it's respectful. I just am huge on, like, communication and boundaries. So, like, if you want to, if you want to say you're my, I'm your boyfriend, cool, that's what you need to feel secure in this, to make this exclusive. I'm also, I'm a huge on loyalty, too, so. Are your parents still together? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. So you've seen that representation. Yeah, they've been together for 30 years. And also my auntie and my uncle have been locked in for 30 years and they never got married. Wow. And, like, they embody what I want in a relationship so much. where we'll be on like a family vacation

like everybody's cousins go and like they're like we're gonna go take out of the Jetskeys we'll see y'all later at dinner some shit we don't see them like the whole day they're just like two peas in a pod they just like Bonnie and Clyde

the whole like life together I love that I love that yeah no ring on the finger yeah they might be on some shit that I have no idea like on some like swing or shit who knows but

you know the outside looks great yeah all that I mean they get ghost and it's like oh there's Uncle George again like how was your day anything else that we didn't see while that happened on perfect match that they didn't show us?

They had to cut off our alcohol intake. Too much fun. It seemed like maybe part of Allie's indecisiveness was like possibly feeling a little bit cloudy. Oh my God. There's things that happen that I pray they show. I also pray they cut, but...

Wait, when did they cut off the alcohol? Like at what point? My first night it was open bar, second night it was open bar. By the third day, we had a bartender. Oh, that's just a bartender. Okay. Open bar is kind of crazy.

Bro, I walked in there. I was like, yeah, serve yourself. I was like, this is dangerous. That is. That is. I love that. And shout out my boy, Nikki. He won the fucking million dollars and had to like be hush, hush about it.

His aura would have been different if everybody in the house knew he won a million on TV. Oh, think about that. Like, think about that. Like, what was he saying? Like, I took Allison or some shit. I promise you, if she would have known he had a millie. Yeah, because he was with Allison for a minute. Who was he with before?

He matched with Nat and then the only other person he had interest in was Allison. I would have used it. Man, look. I'd have been like, I got the money. The first thing I come in. I can't tell you how, but I got some spare change lying around. And it's a lot. If you like that wallet that Chris gave you,

I'm going to say, wait. Just wait. Chris could get you a nice wallet. That's funny. Yeah. Also, Jimmy, I just got to say, I've never heard the term aura farming before. You've never heard. Oh, really?

I feel like that's a merry word. It is a merry word. I'm too on internet, I'll admit. It is a TikTok word. It is. Orifarming. It's more of like a boy TikTok thing than like my side of TikTok necessarily. But what is or farming?

Okay, wait, define it for Nick. It's basically using people, circumstances, whatever the fuck, to gain aura. Ora meaning just like. Life points. For show. I like how you said that. Yeah. But you can lose it.

You can lose your aura points. You can lose your aura. Yeah, like I did some shit in the house and I lost aura. Damn near the beatboxing on Allison's leg, I lost aura for that. Okay. Got it. But I gained aura when Nicholas Shea knew who I was

and I didn't know him. Oh. That is, yeah, that's a lot of core points. You gained aura for staying with Allison because you were committed. Gained aura. I agree, yeah. Wow. Yep. That was solid. You've represented

yourself well. Did the other Jimmy lose or gain aura for bowing out when he did or was it too late because he kind of like was forced to bow bow out? Now, he lost aura when he tried to say there's only room for one Jimmy in a house and I called him Jimbo. That's so real.

But you gained the aura for that. You did. Snatched it. What did you think of Sophie laughing at Jimmy? That was hard. I was, I was, nothing was it.

Bro. If y'all were there, you damn it would have laughed too, bro. Bro. Because that's Jimmy P. Bro. He'd just be going. It's like,

bro, here you go again. Like, I'll try to tell you less is more. Like, you got to be direct. Like, but all right, here you go again.

And I at least had the, I don't know. I just want to say, like, decency to not laugh at his face, but we was all trying not to laugh and self couldn't help herself. Even, I mean, Ali said that he was very sensitive. And she was like, there were so many times where I had to be like, okay, come on, not again. Like, I'll admit, I actually have not watched our show in its entirety. Because, like, I struggle to actually, like, sit down and, like, like, no, like, it's kind

of, like, a fever dream to me. I almost damn have imposter syndrome even being here. But, like, so I just know how it played out, like, being there and, like, how I felt and, like, what the vibes were. like being in her we was all trying not to laugh I would have cried if I was Jimmy I'm so sensitive he also came from love is blind so are we not surprised no that's so true oh wait I have a question about that I have a question about that

like I've heard people say like I came from this show so I'm this way I don't feel like I'm a different person now because I did perfect match like I don't understand how people are like changed people now because they did this little like retreat damn no but I mean I actually kind of can relate to that because like I think different shows have different expectations and energies and like when you're in these like very like I've you know I've never done the whole perfect match experience but it seems like it's a little more carefree a little more fun a little more loose and like for like love is blind specifically I mean these people are like literally meeting people in a pod there's like these expectations of

really pouring your heart out like the like marissa and the jimmies they literally practice what it was like to just like truly be their most vulnerable self behind a screen so like it is kind of like their brains kind of get rewired You want to talk about not getting deep on the first date. These people got engaged after like two days. It alters their brain chemistry. That's crazy. Or I also think it's possible that people are cast on those shows who are sort of that way. So maybe they're like susceptible.

Like maybe they're the type of people that can get really deep, really early on. And then the experience in the show just like continue to shape that. It's also like why Allie is like really funny and witty and snarky because she comes from Bravo and it's a little bit more looser. Messier. Like, you know, you don't. Well, they have had bachelor. people on perfect match but like bachelor people are afraid of doing anything because you can get criticized for literally nothing so they move scared almost and it's like you know so like people do

come in with like different vibes based off of the show like their first experience on the show so you're you benefited from that jimmy kind of coming as like fresh meat you know you had no reality tv trauma to unpack on on perfect match a lot a lot of people were telling me that i got lucky that this was my first show because it's very hands-off. It literally felt like I was just at like a day party or some shit. That's amazing. Yeah. Well, Jimmy, man, it's fun to catch up with you and get to know you a little bit better.

We're excited to see how things unfold. And thank you for all the fun behind the scenes of what went down in the house. Where can people follow you, find you, all that fun stuff before we let you go? Jimmy Soto's 4 on TikTok. Jay Soto's one on Instagram. And I just dropped some coffee, so fuck with that. There you go. Check out his coffee.

Jimmy, make sure you do a bunch of TikTok, Kand. with the household before you leave the studio. Oh, we're here. We want to get some of that. Our farming. We want to get some of that. Give us some good aura, Jimmy, in the studio before you go on your way.

That'll do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guest, Jimmy Sotos, and Jenna Sims for joining us. And thank you guys all for listening. We appreciate you. We'll see you back on Thursday. Bye-bye.