The Viall Files - E1133 - Summer House Reunion Part One INSANITY and Marissa Talks Perfect Match & Marriage

Episode Date: May 28, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Five words. Summer. House. Reunion. Part 1. We react to everything… Ciara's star quality, the side chicks, the ear stuff, the lack of any words besides those from West Wilson… Also, Amanda Batula? What are you doing, girl? We get into it. Meanwhile, we're joined by Marissa George to talk about Perfect Match and also the fact that she's MARRIED?! This episode is a banger you will NOT want to miss before you bury it all in the dirt :) "DIABOLICAL!" Nick is on Substack! Subscribe here: https://nickviall.substack.com/subscribe  HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE? Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content? Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Bilt: Join the membership for where you live at https://joinbilt.com/viall   David Protein: Head to Walmart today to try a bar or stock up on 4CTs of your favorite flavors, like Blueberry Pie and Salted Peanut Butter, sold exclusively at Walmart. Check out https://walmart.com to find a store near you! Nanit: You can get 20% off The Nanit Smart Baby Monitor System — including the new 8" Home display, PLUS you get a free travel case with code VIALL at https://nanit.com Shipstation: The sooner you switch, the sooner you start saving time and money. Get started with ShipStation today and get sixty days free at https://shipstation.com with code viall. Merit: Right now, Merit Beauty is offering our listeners their Signature Makeup Bag with your first order at https://meritbeauty.com  To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 12:16 - Household Headlines 21:59 - Marissa Joins 42:59 - Summer House Reunion Pt.1 01:38:54 - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @rissa.george @ciaracrobinson @the_mare_bare @justinkaphillips

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I love. I just draw the line because, like, my sister's, cutie's fine. Pickle. Pickle. Justin. Justin. Oh my gosh. Anytime Connor calls me,

like Sierra, I go, why did you just call me by my government name? That's fucking weird. You grew up with baby and babe. Like, it's just not funny. Oh,

I don't like, I don't like names that like if somebody else said it in a rock off. Yeah, it's like, fuck. I'm in trouble. Exactly.

We were in Trader Joe's and Nick was like, babe, something in River was like, babe, babe. She's funny. Babe. Because she's at the age

where she's just going to say anything you say. She's so smart. Are you still Nick? Are you dad-da again? I'm dad, dad, da. Yeah. She has, have you seen Bambi?

Yeah, of course. She sounds like Bambi. Aw. Because like when she's like, beard. Beard. She's like, da, da, beard. Dada, beard. She sounds just like Bambi.

Wait, listen to her reading. You know the book, Brown Bear, Brown Bear. Absolutely not. Brown bear, brown bear, what do you see? I see a red bird looking at me. Red bird, red bird, what do you see? Listen to her. Brown bear, brown bear, what do you see?

I see. I see. She literally reads the whole book. She needs to do voiceover. I told the story. I was in the hansub with her on Sunday. And I didn't put her swimsuit bottoms on, whatever. And so, like, sometimes the hot tub can, like, be a little rough on the skin because

of the... And so she got a little scratch on her bum. I was like, River, you got a scratch on your bum. And she's, like, looking at it. Prior to that, we were taking pictures and sending it to Natalie because she was at some friend's house. And so she was, like, kind of conceptualizing, oh, we just took a picture. And now I'm looking at this picture of me and dad.

And like 20 minutes later, I was like, oh, you got, you got some scratches on your bum. And she's trying to look. I'm like, I'll show you in the mirror when we get out. And she, like, goes to my phone. And she's like, take a picture of my butt and show it to me. And then she got on the hot tub and propped herself up so that I could take her. It was like, you're a fucking genius. She lives in a house of influencers and content.

She's like, I know what this is. She said sponsored. Yeah. She's like, guys, I know this. I know this. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vofa's reality recap edition. I'm your host Nick joined by the household.

They got my wife here. She's here. She's here. She's here. Wife's here. The dress looks so comfy. You know, I'm in the, like, let's just throw a moo-moo on stage. I'm in the, like, if I could.

The nights are getting rough. Nights are getting rough. I was sobbing last night because you can't get comfortable. Cannot get comfortable. She's got nine pounds of baby in her right now. Two, yeah, that are just taking turns. Plus some fluid. Plus all my organs.

I was going to say one gets done bouncing on one organ, the other one's taking another one, I'm sure. I did learn that when you are pregnant, it pushes all of your organs up, so the baby's just literally sitting there with their organs like right here. Yeah. Justin asked me if the moving around felt like an internal massage.

I said, um, no. No, she's in bed. She's always like, ugh. Look, I'm your baby's publicist, so I was trying to like, you are the situation. You are their spokesperson. And then she'll like, and then she's not dramatizing it. No, it sounds beautiful. And then I'll put my hand on her stomach.

And it's like, it's body horror. They're taking it. It is the sex. It's hot boxing class in there. Yeah. No, it's crazy. It's very spooky. But right now they're both who saw the doctor yesterday.

They're both head up, like, budding heads. They were like, she was like, oh, you must be pretty uncomfortable. They're like pushing into your liver. Fantastic. And I am. She's like, and then their feet, do they kick your like bladder and pelvis a lot? And I was like, yeah. They do.

Funny you say that. How do we fix it? She's like, well, you can get in the pool and do like handstands to flip them. Oh, really? We'll be doing that. Oh, wow. That actually sounds like fun. I'm not going to lie.

She's going to spend the next few weeks just floating in the pool. I was in Palm Springs and I was like, look what I could do. I'm in my third. So I'm like, it'll be fun for you. Look what I can do. Well, we have a jam-packed episode lined up for y'all. We had the Summer House Reunion Part 1. That was awesome.

Everyone's like I need it injected into my veins. It was just... I'm going to watch it like five more times before part two. We'll obviously get into it later this episode. But I thought what I loved about it, it was... It wasn't too much meanness. Yeah. Like Mia, her line.

And when it's so funny, because obviously... when we podcast, we say things, we clip things, things get clipped, and sometimes things feel more intense than they are when they're actually delivered in like full form. And we've seen the outtakes of Mia being like, you know, like, what was the lie? You got out of this marriage just to be one of West's sidebishes.

Like, just by itself felt so like, you know, like, it's really a dig, a jab, but like aggressive. But when you see it in full form, Mia was like, girl, like, like empathetically, like, what are you saying to anyone? Like, literally, what are you doing? What are you doing? What is like, almost like a sincere, and it like landed so much better and like I loved it.

It was like in Sierra, Sierra was flawless. It was great. Sierra, every, I was like, jaw on the floor. Every line. She was sharp and quick. And Amanda, I just, neither west than Amanda. I just, what game plan did they have? I don't know.

We'll get, there's so many questions. Uh, we have Marissa from Perfect Match. You also love her and know her from Love is Blind to wrap up this season of. Perfect match. It really is a nice little appetizer for Love Island, which, by the way, guys, premieres in less than a week. Oh, I'm counting down. Are we ready?

Well, you know me. I do U.S. and U.K. at the same time. I don't want to talk to anyone during the month of June. I saw they release some cast photos of U.K., but they haven't done that for U.S. Not yet. Not yet. But they will.

They will. They should. Yeah, probably this year. And here's why they should. They should do it like all bachelor style. had, remember last season? We had Sierra, not you. And then we had a forget her name who was gone pretty quickly. But like how Bachelor does, like again, it's really, you can do all the background checks in the world and still not. Wait, but do they have their phones still? Probably, right? Because

they haven't gone into start filming. Love Island. Yeah. They have their phones until they go into the I guarantee cast members are on their way to Fiji at this point. If not already there. If not already there. Certainly they're bringing more people than they're going to bring on the show. They probably have not made final decisions on like who are going to be like OG like mainstays. But like why they should release the cast because again, when it comes to background checks reality TV shows, anytime something comes out where it's just like this person said this word back in the day or made this phrase and it comes. And then everyone's like, how could they not find this? It's just like you can only do so many background checks. What you can't background check is

where people show up in other people's photos. Stories that have been saved that are no longer there, that are like, they only live in people's phones. You can't find it. So that's why Bachelor started, like, releasing cast photos early on,

not because it was like, they weren't doing it for the fans. They were doing it for themselves so that if fans found or caught anything, they could try to get ahead of it. The only problem with that is, like, you can't do that with all the bombshells. You don't want to spoil the bombshells.

So it's difficult to do, but in some way they should probably get ahead of it because the last thing we fucking want this season of Love Island is some kind of fucking scandal and some person who said or did a thing, they definitely shouldn't have fucking done and whether they deserve grace or not

and I don't want to debate whether like we give someone grace from 12 years ago when they were 16. Maybe they should but when it comes to Love Island there's just no way that conversation is going to like be nuanced and like we still don't want them on our TV show and while maybe they're

shouldn't be crucified or whatever, maybe there's a lesson there, they probably don't deserve a spot on the sacred show that is Love Island. Yes, I have a question about that, though, like, because in the spirit of, like, you're not here for the right reasons, is it a red flag or a green flag if one of these cast members doesn't really have photos on their social media? Like, does that look like they've been casted? That would be green flag for me. I'm like, I just like the UK better in the senses I said where it's like not so much

influencers as it is like a landscaper or, like, a landscaper or, like, that would be a green flagged. like a fishmonger and it's like all of these jobs that I'm like oh I didn't know like okay he's a cutie and it's like I like seeing that versus like okay this person has 112 000 followers will they get to 250 by the end but also delete all of the the cringy videos that you made when you like thought you know when COVID hit and you were doing all the dances leave them up you know it's going to leave them all it worked for Rob Rauch did it yeah we found those dancing videos and people still said okay you have to have to have a a face of an angel.

Yeah, you have to have Roush's face. That's what I said. For one, I didn't say he wasn't the exception to the rule. Well, we're excited to have Marissa,

if not only to like hopefully clear the air. I mean, we love her. She's been obviously a topic of conversation. Only, and I appreciate Marissa because she was willing to show more of herself.

Yeah. The imperfect side. And we still love her. We still know her. And we've all been Marissa in relationships. Have we not? No.

Okay. I know I have. I was like, no, no. I've been like, listen, it's not me. It's like, how my... Listen, I just love me, accept me for who I am. Choose me.

Choose me. Love me. Nick's also been the girl that's like, let's all kiss people that aren't our partners. I've totally been that. Also, don't forget that Valfiles Plus is ad-free and available to you all to enjoy. Plus, you get your reality recap deep dyes where we dive even deeper into all your favorite stories.

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from your favorite Ask Nick episodes. So be sure to sign up. Just go to Val Files.com to check out. Also, super excited that I'm launching a substack. Yay! Yay! I don't know if you know. I don't know if you care,

but in preparation for all these episodes that we do, I spent a lot of time in my head. A lot of time in his head. I'm always like, who are you talking to? I can see the moment that he clicks out. And I'm like, oh, he's with his friends in there. Yeah, in my head. And I'm always thinking about what I want to talk about this episode.

What do we want to do? And obviously, the way this show is set up, we love having our roundtable conversations. We have our guests. We never know what the vibe is. And every time when we sit down and talk, the show isn't about a monologue or things like that. But, like, it allows me to talk about things with a little bit more nuance. Obviously. His questions are usually so long is because there's so much.

going on. Going on. Yeah. So, and as a new dad, I kind of think about these like relationship topics that we talk about in a little bit different lens. So I started jotting down notes and things like that. And I thought, oh, maybe some people might be interested in reading this stuff. So my hope for the substack is not only for the fans, but for the critics.

Because we'll, I'll definitely talk about why I think the way I do, why I do what I do, why we answer things, why we don't answer things. And we'll obviously talk about reality TV. We'll do the same thing we do here. I'll use obviously the things we watch as a launching pad for deeper conversations, but really excited about what I'm putting out there on substack. So if you want to dive in a little bit more with me and maybe you just like reading things a little bit differently rather than listening to it, I think the substack will be a great place for us to connect,

get a little bit more personal, a little bit more intimate. I'll be dropping new articles every Wednesday. So be sure to check it out. Link will be in the episode vial. So check it out. What is going on in the world of reality TV and pop culture, Justin, that we have to get into before we get to Marissa and talks on perfect match. Well, Jesse Draper and Marciano

still making their appearances. Honestly. Which I think they've honestly been consistent in the sense that Jesse on all of her red carpets has been like, you know, I just got out of this divorce. Like, I'm trying to be single. I'm not locking down. Like, we're just having fun.

Yeah. And I think her having fun with someone that she's comfortable with, you know, someone that she knows. Marciano, I met him at the Get Real Hulu event. And one of my best friends, he's not saying Marciano's a perfect person, but I think he's, he's warmed up to him. And, you know, the Marciano I met at Get Real Hula event was nice and gracious. And I don't know.

Did he charm you? He didn't charm me, but he humanized, like, listen, like, when you meet someone in person versus when you watch them on a TV show and you only know someone through, like, clips and short things and, like, regurgitated things that, like, people online are, like, can You believe what he said in dead? Like, it's just a different experience when you meet someone in person. Yeah. I will say, I was like, I did think it was funny when we did have, like, commentary on him.

And then he made that video talking about, like, I am a terrible person. And I was like, okay, at least you can, like, laugh at yourself. This might be a hot take, but I kind of, and I don't know Marciano. So I'll give him that. But is he not what Lindsay Hubbard describes as a clout chaser in terms of using women to, like, get his clout? Very potentially, yes. Because, like, I just, like, I don't, I don't know. I'm like, for Jesse to go back to Marciano out of all the single men in the world, I'm like,

we'll have to find out if the Jesse and Marciano thing ends. Yeah. Or if they get married and have kids. I mean, what's the alternative? I think it is going to end now. I also think that they are like on the same network and it does good things for both of their shows being seen to. I don't think that they're not thinking of the business aspect of it. No, they're not.

They're not. I do think Jesse is probably truly in survival mode post-divorce. I think she's still dealing with a very messy and toxic ex-husband who is out there desperately trying to campaign for himself. The cameos. I keep hearing how he's trying to get on podcasts. He's trying to do podcasts. He's begging people to do their podcasts.

Did you see that Winnie Levitt's husband did an interview where he was like, he said, like, I didn't really think Dad Talk was like really a real thing. But then there were some guys in the group that like that was a real thing to them. And it's clear who he's alluding to. Jordan. Yeah. Yeah. This is a business.

Not to compare it to the Amanda of it all because I've definitely, you know, for all the me trying to have some grace for Amanda just to understand her, not to defend her. It was harder to this reunion because it was like where I can't even get into it. You can't get into it. I can't get into it yet. But it's just more like, I just think if you're in Jesse's position, it's really difficult to just who are you comfortable with? Like maybe Marciano in her mind is someone.

she actually can trust compared to like some random guy she doesn't know at least marciano is in this world that she is in at least he can relate to that experience a little bit and whether that makes sense to us it probably makes sense to her and i you know i don't falter for wanting to not go to this event alone not wanting to you know it's like having you know having companionship and maybe he showed up for her in a ways that like he can be both a little bit of a clout chaser and someone who has a heart yeah and i was like i think again like it's kind of like the love violent aspect of it all, but I'm like, these people share a very common experience that most people can't relate to or understand. So it's like when she's talking to him about certain situations,

it's like you would have to explain that to a normal person and then be like, why do I have to deal with it? Because I think that person would be like, so why don't you just stop? And like, why is it so serious? Yeah. And it's like, it's my job, but it's also my real life. Like, and he understands that. So I totally, I don't, I don't fault him, fault them for caring on whatever that is. I want to know Rihanna's thoughts. and everything. Just all reality TV. Because she's Summerhouse.

She's watching. She's watching. Well, she did DM Amanda. She did DM Amanda. Yeah. And like us, wants Amanda Francis back. We didn't see enough, as she said,

second season. The thing about Amanda Francis is she doesn't need it. Which makes it so, which is why I think makes her such a good reality TV character is that she doesn't need it. And I think the only problem,

I think the problem is sometimes reality TV now, and specifically with Bravo, I think they have leaned too much. on people who need this show to make money and survive. And I think that compromises people a little bit. But it also, I think, makes them less compelling and less authentic reality TV characters.

I wonder what Rihanna's reaction was when she commented under Bose's wedding stuff and then she heard from Doreet. I wonder if she was like, girl. I did clock that too. I was like, why did Doree respond? So Rihanna, if you don't know what we're talking about, Bose posted a video of her talking about her wedding and Rihanna commented saying,

checked all my mailboxes, which also flex. How many mailboxes do you have? One in Paris. One in Barbados. Of course. The Gmail. The mail. Yeah, the Yahoo.

Yeah, the hot mail. She checked all her mailboxes. Still can't find the wedding invitation wild. And then she gets a response from Doreet. And Doreet says, honestly. Honestly. You know she's trying to be funny. It's just honestly, sounds like a very serious issue within the postal system because there is simply no other explanation.

It's like you can hear her say it. I can hear her say it. But also she's like, follow me. I know you, Ruby. I'll be there if you want to sit at my table. You could be my guess, my plus one. Does she not follow Dorit? I don't know.

I don't know. But I just, the way that it feels like it's like the reach out to be like, hey, I too am a housewife. you are a fan. Yes. You know, I'll admit every once in a while, I have, whether it's like someone

we're potentially having on or a commentator and, and you know, you know, he's like, who do people follow who we have in common?

I can't tell the amount of times I'll look. I'm like, wow, they follow literally every person in Bachelor Nation. But me. But me.

Like that, that is a common over well. That is a common encourage. Like, what, like you couldn't.

To be fair, you're not in the comments. You know what I mean? Like, when you see a lot of people that are active in the comments. It's kind of like, oh, fuck, they're funny. Let me hit a follow. Also, to Doreat's credit,

Bad Girl Riri has 145 million followers, only follows 1,689, and one of them is Doree. That's a ratio. She does follow Doree. So they're friends. Okay. Yeah. Honestly, yeah. If I was followed by Rihanna, I too would be like

I love something. I'd be like, girl, honestly, it's a problem in the postal system. And then you have Mia over here getting flowers telling, being told she's a bad bitch, and I'm like, which makes her unfollowing of Amanda that much crazier. I was like, Andy's too kind. Wait, when Mia is talking about what Rihanna was saying to her and they panted Amanda and she's like, I thought that they would bring it up.

Dead pan. And they did it. And I was like, good on Andy. But like, I'd be like, and you. And Amanda, how does it feel to have Rihanna unfollow you? The first bravo started to have that happen. I'm kidding. I don't know.

That was a miss of Andy. That would have been a good question. No, it's a little mean, though. Definitely mean. It already hurts enough to hear everybody else be like, you know what, she's so supportive in my comments, in my DMs. They might have woken up Amanda, who seemed a bit. She was very zen.

Very zen. Very zen. So was Wes, allegedly, he was so zen. He didn't even speak that entire reunion. I think a cat had his tongue. I think we need Kay Michelle up in the Summerhouse reunion. I don't know. I don't know if you guys watched the recent episode of Atlanta,

I'm one minute episode behind. It's one of the best seasons of Housewives in general, if you ask me. I will say. Atlanta is telling it this season. The vocal stem of Kay Michelle this episode going Yodelah, he drew nobody. But also, Kelly, I had this question when I was watching it. She's talking about her financial struggles with the business and how she, like, promised money and in the divorce. Like, she was the owner of the business.

That being said, and she's thinking of filing for bankruptcy. The question popped up in my head. I think sharing your financial struggles on reality TV is probably one of the most vulnerable things you could be doing. For sure. For sure. But the cynic in me wonders if sometimes they share it for sympathy and for it's like an infomercial. It's like, hey, my business is hurting. Click that link right there.

Yeah, but when it's like a restaurant, like how many people watching the show are actually going to the restaurant, though, you know? Think about, oh. In their community? Like, if it's an online product, you can like immediately like transfer that into money. I mean, it kind of depends because, like, I don't know if, like, Banderpump would have done as well if it was in a different state where I'm like, this is like a state people come to for vacation. Right. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not going out of my way to go to Atlanta to go to said restaurant.

But I'm like, if you're going to go to West Hollywood, you have three of her restaurants in a, like, in a row that it would make sense to make that like a day out in Weho. But Atlanta is like a big enough city that people do. For sure. You know, it's like, if you live in the South. from Atlanta who watch. And I'm sure people that vacation there too, right? Yeah. All right.

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Check out Walmart.com to find a store near you. Marissa! Hi! Congratulations! We were all excited about talking about perfect match, but forget perfect match, water under the bridge, old news, you're married. Yeah, I mean, if you have some perfect match questions, of course, I'm always open to answer them.

But yeah, I got married, surprisingly. I bet people were not expecting that. Well, we're super happy for you. I mean, honestly, that's all that really matters is your happiness. Do you mind, like, just giving us a little, like, how did this happen? Who is he? Like, we're so excited for you. Give us the tea.

Yeah, so actually, we dated back in 2013, and we fell in love, like super fast. I was like, this is my guy. I'm going to marry him forever. And I was in college, my senior year still, and he was in Virginia. And so I was in Georgia. He was in Virginia. The distance didn't really work for us. So we broke up.

And I always was like, he was like, what if. And I hate to say it, but even like with Ramses, I was like, when I got engaged Ramzes, he was one of my first thoughts was like, what's Dre going to think? Because he was someone that I just always, we always connected over the years. And anytime I was single, he would, you know, want to try to get back together. We would try. And it just never really worked out. He's in the military. So we just never really got to live in the same place at the same time.

So after perfect match, we connected, of course, and I was single. And he was like, oh, come out to Japan. That's where he lives. And he's stationed. And I was like, all right. Like, I have actually, like, the timing just kind of worked out. And I was like, well, I'm only coming out to Japan if we're, like, really going to take this seriously. And he's like, I've been tried to take this seriously for the past 13 years and you won't give it.

So we finally just said, let's do it. And I spent a couple months out there. and all our family and friends were not really shocked. They were like, it makes sense about time that you guys stopped playing around. And so we decided, let's get married in March. So we decided to get married in like February, January, February. But got engaged in February. And then March came and we had a small ceremony with our family and friends in Savannah.

So it was really, it was beautiful. It was perfect. It was actually a fairy tale for me. You got married in Savannah, Georgia? Yeah. I went to college there. And it's just, I always thought. I'd get married there.

So I was like, let's do in Savannah. Our families are in. It's the best place to get married. Did you guys? Yeah, we got married in Savannah, Georgia, too. The best place. Yeah. Oh, my God.

I don't think I realized that. Where'd you guys get married? That's where I'm from. So my sister lives like 25 minutes outside of Savannah on like our family farm. So we got married out there, but all of our guests stayed downtown and we had the Savannah trolley buses, like bring them all out. But yeah, Savannah's a, I hold it very close to my heart. So me and you, babes. Oh my God.

I didn't realize. you were from there. You know what? I'm going to be reaching out to you guys because we're planning our big wedding next year in Savannah for like all our family and friends. So I'll definitely reach out for some tips. Do it.

I will give you all the wrecks. So his name's Dre? Yes, short for Dre. I'm trying to protect his, you know, and I'm trying to give him some anonymity just because he has a high ranking profile in the military. So, yeah, we can call him Dre.

Period. So, you know, obviously like it's weird because in reality TV world, you know, we're following you from the past and then you guys, you know, you guys have lives that unfold. But it does seem like a relatively like quick courtship between you and him. And I'm curious, like obviously with your experience through love is blind and how that kind of like picks up very quickly, do you feel like part of the reason why you and your husband were able to like move so quickly?

Obviously there's a history that you guys have. But how do you feel like your experience on reality TV prepared you for like this relationship to flourish the way it has? Yeah, I think because of love is blind and perfect match, you just get so used to dating in such a fast environment. And me and Dre have, again, known each other for so long, but by the time I got off perfect match, I really realized I had some things I needed to work on. And I think had I actually not done those experiences with both love is blind and perfect match, I wouldn't have been ready to have the right conversations with my husband now. So I think the reality shows really helped me learn a lot about myself and my communication, as you guys saw on this season.

I look actually insane. But I learned a lot about myself in those situations. And I was able to take that and address that with my current partner from the very beginning, therefore we were able to move kind of faster, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. And first all, you didn't look insane. You looked human. We've all been you before. I am curious, though, like, what did you learn about yourself through that experience? I mean, I thought, like, the last episode was super relatable. Like, we talked about on the show. Like, we didn't necessarily agree with you, but as, like, I'm all, I also have ADHD and things like that. I certainly know.

He's also very much of an interrupt. I interrupt, you know, like, but it's, you know, it's one of those things that if you're if like you you go through life and and like you were explaining you don't mean to do it like and so when we don't mean to do it and it's one of those things you know as I got older like when I was younger I'm old enough that like ADHD and all these kind of like terms that we now realize help us explain why we are the way we are or why we do certain things it's been a challenge because at one level it helps us feel seen like who we are right it's just like oh, I'm not, I'm not just rude. I'm not, I'm not like the thing that I've been called my whole life where people don't like understand where I'm coming from. But do you feel like after watching

it back, I've had to learn that while it's helped me identify why I do what I do, it doesn't help me in relationships to say, well, this is like, I do this. So therefore I need you to accept it. there's a level of like, I want you to understand why I do it, but I still need to do the thing that makes my partner frustrated with me because after a while, the ADHD reason, while valid, doesn't make your partner less frustrated. And I'm just curious, did you kind of go through that process of, you know, watching it back and hearing you speak to Damari in a way that, like, now you move differently? Yes. I think what I saw, which of course, you know, know with reality. There's not, you don't see the full context of a conversation. So you see me saying,

well, this isn't how I am. But there's more to that. I generally don't like to use ADHD as an excuse. And that's been like a big online critique is like take accountability. And I think there were moments where I definitely did not take accountability in those moments with Damari. And I didn't realize I wasn't. I thought by me saying, well, I have ADHD. Give me grace. I thought I was trying to like de-escalate or like I was using as a way to de-escalate or using. as a way to like, here's like what I am, help me. And I think I put so much onus on like my past partners on helping me guide me through those struggles instead of actually being like, no, Marissa, you're allowed to address that this is a struggle, but also like this person can't

parent you. This person is not responsible for constantly like taking care of you in these conversations. So watching back, it's, I don't want to say cringy, but it was just like, oh, I hate that that's being, not that I hate that's being shown, but like, it's just interesting to see because I had to learn that with my husband. Like, my husband has healed me in so many ways. Like, it's unbelievable. Um, sorry, not. It's been insane because I see the conversation that me and DeMari have had on the show and I've had similar conversations with my partner. And instead of my partner, you know, he reacted differently, but he made it known like, look, I need to have a safe space in this relationship, too, when we have conversations and arguments. And it can't always

just be about, you know, ADHD. And I really, that was hard because I took it personal. Like, I was like, you're attacking me. But I had to learn, like, that's not the case. Like, my husband's not attacking me. He wants the best for me. But I also have to create a, I'm his partner too. He can't be my parent. Like, I have to create a space for him as well. And so that has been huge. And so, yeah, watching back, it's, it's crazy. I'm like, oh, I see what, like, I see what he meant, you know? I kind of already knew, but, like, you know, seeing it in person's different. But it also kind of speaks to just like, you know, it really takes the right person to make us feel like safe and seen even when there's a disconnect. Because like, well, you know, we had a chance to talk to tomorrow.

He seems like a great guy. He seems like grounded. And like a lot of things he made sense while watching it back. Nevertheless, I'm sure talking to him in that moment felt like he he wasn't interested and. Committed. Like talking it through with you. it's almost like he kind of demanded, I need you to be a finished product in a way.

And like, you know what I'm saying? And you clearly weren't there yet. And he didn't seem interested in helping you get there in a way that it seems like your husband is willing to do. Yeah, I agree. I think that what you see is Damari's wounds and triggers also being triggered and like him not handling it in the best way. Like, we were just taking two people who just are like not communicating efficiently because we both have our own communication issues that we had to work out separately. And he wanted me to create that space. I want him to create that space.

And I think both of us weren't willing to create the space for each other. Even though I felt like we both were trying, we just didn't know how. And I think we had so many conversations offline. Like, we didn't really argue that much. So I know it looks like that. But that big argument was very telling. And you could kind of see me talk to Yemen and try to like, you know, get his. opinion and try to really like work through because I recognize that I was not really being respectful

or creating a safe space. But I also was having a hard time because I felt like I would take a step forward and then he would say something that was just like whatever. And I'd be like, oh, now I'm back on the attack. And so I do feel that Damari definitely, and he's, you know, told me, like he has work that he needs to do. And we definitely were not compatible in that sense. And, you know, yeah, I just, the conversations were definitely enlightening and we definitely butt heads a lot. We were like two Rams just like going at it. Well, getting into the finale quickly, did the comment from Hashim about Allie? Did that come off as gross and disrespectful as it did watching it for us in real life?

Or was it different? It came off pretty gross. I was, I wish they showed my face because I was like, what the fuck? You don't kiss and tell in this environment. And, you know, the thing about Jimmy and. in Ali is that Jimmy never locked it in with Ali. And anytime Jimmy was around, she was anxious and acting differently. And we were really happy for Hashim to come in and switch that up because she was so much more carefree and calm and just fun with Hashim. So we wanted that to happen.

But we also didn't expect a gentleman, an actual man, to like, you know, kiss and tell like that. And I felt that if he really was doing the bro code, he would have talked to Jimmy about that alone off camera because ultimately if that's your bro why would you embarrass the woman that he's sitting next to the woman that he wants to date after the show like it'd be different if they didn't have aspirations the day after after the show but they did and so your bro code kind of broke it when you called out your bro's like girl I think it was gross and I think for alley it was really disrespectful like we didn't talk about anything we did in those bedrooms for a reason because it's no one's business and I know it's on camera, but ultimately it did not need to be said.

And he did it for drama, for sure. You heard him say it. Like he did it for drama. Backfired on him too. As someone who made that mistake a long time ago, he will definitely regret that. Yeah, it's just like. Did you do that, Nick? Well, you know what? That's just show things don't follow you that you can grow and people change and improve and become better. And so that just goes to prove that like Kashim, great guy. just, you know, has some room to grow out. Yeah, it was, it just seemed like, again, not to bring up my past trauma and my regrets and things like that.

But like, it didn't seem like Hashim was like emotionally hurt by this decision. He didn't seem confused, you know, like not to justify my weak, weak moment. But I remember at the time feeling like truly like emotionally confused and like I still very much regret it because it ultimately does hurt people. But like, yeah, it was a weak thing that he did that there's this no, he's not. he's not going to look back and be like, yeah, I needed that answer. And it's like he wanted a not on his belt. And he wanted people to know. But he also wasn't asking a question.

He was being like, he was like, no, I'm going to embarrass Allie. I'm going to let you know, Jimmy, that like we were physically intimate. And did she tell you that? Because we were. Yes. And that was between Ali and Jimmy. And I really, I don't know what I remember. And I'm not sure if it's happened since.

But Hashim apologized to Jimmy after that reunion, like I think right on set. And I felt like that. That was gross. Like, apologize to Jimmy. You better apologize to Allie as well. And I don't know if she ever got that apology. I don't know if she did. Maybe she did. I don't know. But she definitely should have gotten that apology before Jimmy. Like, what the heck? Yeah. What is your take on all this Spotify messaging? Get your phone for an hour and message someone on Spotify. Yeah, watching that scene was so funny because we were just like so funny about it. We're like, that's why we lost Spotify because we don't have much when we're in the hotel. But we had Spotify. And I knew there was messaging on there, but I just, you know, I don't know, I'm a bit of, I'm a bit of a rule follower. So I didn't do that. But when we found out that they were messaging, I mean, I guess I didn't really shock me too much. I didn't love it either. Like, I felt like the experience, you're supposed to build connections in the villa or the house. But I also didn't take a lot of things as serious as it seemed. I didn't. So I was just like, okay, whatever. Like they were talking outside the show. Like, yeah, okay. Like they liked each other. They shouldn't have been doing it, but they did it. They got rid of Spotify. That's why I was really mad.

Like, not really about the fact that they were talking. It always feels like on the perfect match finale over the seasons that the couple who quote unquote wins, it almost feels like voting for homecoming court or prom where you like vote for the people you don't mind winning rather the people you want to win. Does that how it feels it feels when you're voting? Because it's always like the most random couple. And maybe the show chose not to show their story. line. Maybe that's why we're not invested. But like when you guys are actually voting, what are the conversations going on that like leads to like the people who win win? Because every season is always like, I guess. Sure. Yeah. Like. No, that's true. You know, Dave and Sophie had such a sweet relationship.

It was short. So they came in just kind of later in the experience. But they were so short and sweet. How I view the whole voting situation is that I like to look at the singles and be like who, which couple had the less drama with the singles because in the house, we know what couples are strong and we know who we want to vote for. And like, Dave and Sophie was a great win for all of us. Like, we genuinely, really liked them. I would have been happy with Natalie and Yeaman. I would have been happy with Allison and Jimmy as well. So I would have been fine with any of the couples, but I think I look at it as like the singles. Like, who do the singles have trouble with? Like, I knew me and Damari were never going to win because despite our argument that we had, we were solid the whole

time. We were pretty compatible despite that. And I was like, well, we're not going to win because with Cassie, Kayla, Catherine. Like, we weren't going to win because we pissed off people or whatever. So, I think of it more like, what are the, who upset the singles the least? And, but Sophie and Dave, not to take away, Sophie and Dave did have a very sweet

connection. Like, it really did bring us all to tears because it was shocking, I think, for both of them. Did you have to have any conversations with Dre like leading up to the airing of perfect match? Obviously, you guys were already together. Does he, does he not care? Does he not watch? Or did you have

to like sit them down and be like, all right, this is not going to be fun because like it's just not, it's never easy to watch something and see your partner like fall for someone or like get, you know, emotionally triggered and like seem to care as much as you cared about Damari at the time. Or was it just kind of water under the bridge? How did you handle that that's so many people in your shoes in the past reality TV have to handle? Because again, you filmed this a year ago, your life moves on, but like time stands still. Like, what does that look like? We had a lot of conversations right after filming. So I filmed and then I flew out to Japan shortly after.

And I told him everything. I told him about my connection with Damari and what he might see. It's not comfortable conversations, especially. Like, he didn't watch Love is Blind because he refused to watch the love of his life, you know, on TV, dating someone else. And this was even before we got together. So I knew, I know he's not going to watch perfect match and he's not watching it. But I think the big thing for him was really, you know, our family and friends seeing it and questioning things, you know, and that didn't happen, thank God. But we just had a lot of conversations about what it may look like.

And then as it came out, I've just kind of like explained a few things. But, you know, funny enough, I dated someone during Love is Blind's release and I had to do so much explaining and so much fighting. With my husband, I just didn't. We're married. We're very, very happy where we're at. We're very strong where we're at. And so he hasn't actually been like, well, why did you do this? Why did you do that?

Thank God. It was just more like, hey, baby, I just want to let you know. Like, this is what it looks like. And honestly, he's been like, I honestly don't need to know. So it is kind of water on the bridge for us. It sucks to start your first year of marriage with a TV show of you dating and crashing out over a guy. But my husband's very confident and comfortable.

So it hasn't been an issue. Thank God. But I was very worried. That's a great green flag just because you never really know. and it's like almost like a cheat to like insert a little adversity in your relationship. We all know it's like to be in relationships where our partners like choose to care about things

that they like they don't have to care about if they don't want to, but it's easy to let something fester and bother you and the way that he just kind of let it go is, must be very refreshing. Yeah. It's definitely hard for him for sure. I mean,

I think the hard part is like he's seen a couple of articles of like things Damari said to me in that conversation with like him saying, I like you because the way you make me feel. My husband was like, what the heck? Like, why is he talking to my wife like that? And he's just sensitive about that type of stuff, but nothing about my actions because we weren't together and like he knows where my heart lies.

So I've just done everything to try to really protect my relationship during the preview of the show. So I try to keep posting to a minimum. And I was just ready to announce I was married. Like, I'm so over the show. We're so happy for you, Marissa. Congratulations to you and your husband. I hope that you can enjoy this experience

and put all the love is blind and perfect match behind you. Sadly, this probably means that you're done with reality TV dating competitions. We're sad because we enjoy you on TV, but we're happy for you in your personal life. So all the congrats to you too. Thank you.

I'm super excited for you. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. I'm excited. Life is, I'm moving to Japan in a few weeks. I'm at my in-laws right now. I'm living a good life. Like, it's honestly nice to be a little bit

away from the public eye. I really enjoy it. So if you see me on reality TV again, it'd be like a show, like a competition, but never a dating show ever again. Amazing. Well, Marissa, congratulations again. Thank you for taking the time. We really appreciate it. And, you know, best of luck to the two of you. We're excited to watch your story unfold on Instagram. Thanks so much. Thanks, guys. All right. Thanks, Marissa. Bye. All right. Bye-bye. Well, that's exciting for her. Oh, my God. Yeah. Be connecting with the love of your life after having to watch stream. Yeah. And then being like, I'm removing myself from the public eye and I'm in love and I'm moving to Japan. Sometimes you need multiple love dating shows to realize that your loved one is not on the show.

I think it's something people just, you know, if you're not on these shows, you don't go through the experience. It's it's hard to explain like the emotional, like, journey you go on. And it's not relatable for people who are watching it. But like, you do learn a lot about yourself in a very fast period of time. You do like, most people, don't have the benefit, whether it's edited or not, to watch themselves back and go, I can work on that. I do. So that's what people see. I wonder if Amanda and West are going to watch back the reunion and figure out what they

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the moment many of you have all been waiting for talking about me mainly yeah it was just a perfect reunion the way it started having that caught on camera having lindsay sitting down for her in the city interview has no idea what is going on. Kyle comes in. Have you checked your phone? They read. He says read it to me. If they were acting that, Bravo. If that was any type of performance. No, because then you get the call from Jesse. I know. The call from Mia. But it seemed too good to be true. Call from Carl. Just hold the phones up to each other. Everyone is there. We get everyone's raw reactions. But that's how it would have gone down in actuality, right? Like, I'm just like, that thing got posted. Everyone's been denying it. And then it's like, oh my God, they posted it.

The only people that got like a mini heads up is Kyle and Sierra. And then it's like, yeah, shit, Carl's like, I just landed in L.A. Man, how are you doing? I'm like, that's exactly how I would react. If I turned on my phone and that was the first Instagram, fuck my baggage, whatever. I'm calling my friend being like, hey, how are you? Because that's crazy. I am just shocked how out of touch Amanda and West come across.

We've seen going into the reunion, we saw clips of like Amanda and West being like, I want to clear things up. You know, because once we clear things up, they're acting as a like, it'll, you'll all understand. If you hear that this started in February and just hear it from my mouth, see my face. It'll all make sense. You have no other questions and then maybe we can move forward. I am sorry. But do we care?

I don't think most people care about the timeline. The timeline is not the relevant aspect of this drama. I think we care, but I don't think it excuses what happened. I think we care is like a D storyline. It's like, I mean, sure. I think they cared because they were lied to. So they're like everything around them was not real. So they're trying to figure out like what was or what was it.

But nobody believes them anyway. No, they're not going to. Because they've already shot their integrity to hell because they've lied so many times. The fact that it's like Jesse took you to drinks off camera. That was also a photograph. They made fun of it. Like literally. And yet here you are.

But even if they're telling the truth, it's irrelevant until I have everything that we've discussed at nauseam. Because in the sense of like even if it's even if they're, prove that no physical intimacy happened. It won't matter because we all know that, like, the, like, as Lindsay pointed out, the emotional aspect. We know that, like, even if you guys didn't talk about it, there was something going on between you two that you felt and you acknowledged, but you pretended it didn't happen. It was that feeling that we assume Amanda was aware of that she had for West. And that feeling that you had when you were holding Sierra at the end of the summer house finale, crying her in her arms. The timeline is irrelevant because in that moment,

what, like, what was going on in your mind and your body and your heart when your feelings towards West? And that's why it's irrelevant because we all know that just because you didn't cross a physical boundary inside, you must have had complicated feelings. And you chose to just pretend they didn't exist while pretending to be a friend of Sierra. The text messages to Sierra where she was pretending to like be the friend knowing that all that was going on was diabolical diabolical it's like Sierra said this our Sierra like a couple weeks ago where she was like Amanda's kind of like a chameleon sometimes or it's like she can cosplay as the friend that's supporting her being like no truth to this there's not going to be no photos but

then now she's like no I was lying and here's what I don't get like early in the reunion Sierra is one of many great clapbacks when she goes oh you can say our names and Amanda's response was like kind of like what yep yeah huh and it's like well Amanda it's just like that is a valid response you literally didn't say their name and you know their name and it was obviously a choice not to say their name so the fact that Sierra is pointing it out why are you pretending that like that's some sort of like unnecessary dig and then do you have Carl who like called them out perfectly where it was just like you should have only apologized to those two people or else why did you put out a statement who was that statement for and again it was a statement because you

felt pressure to talk about whatever's going on for the rest of us to like save your credibility to save your reputation. But it's like you didn't, you genuinely did not give a fuck about who you hurt. And just because you texted them privately, then we didn't need the public statement. Yeah. By chat GPT. Everyone knows I don't have the best vocabulary. But one of my favorite movies is Shawshank Redemption. And they use the word obtuse in it. I don't know if you remember. And I at the time, when I was watching the movie, I'm like, I don't really know what that means. But now I do. And I don't know why Amanda and West come across is so obtuse. No, Carl is saying that it's like saying happy birthday without saying someone's name and everyone being like, that's a great analogy.

It's so true. It really was the perfect way. And I think they needed to hear it in that described that way because they both were just like, who. Them joking about the chat, GBT too. I was like, okay. Like time in place and like clearly you still don't take it that seriously. I also feel like my opinion has changed so much. Obviously, I knew that I was like,

this reunion is going to reveal obviously a lot. It's, you know, we'll see how Amanda and West take accountability. You know, they really got to just fall on the sword and be like, I was a shit friend. I was a shit wife. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. We are not seeing that from either of them.

For this part. From this part. How could they start here and get to that? I mean, like Sierra said, after this, you know, and she was like, well, I'm good. After all this, I'm okay. I text in the group shot saying 10 minutes in. Amanda has said to see her a fuck off. And I was like, okay, we're off to a good start here.

It was nuts. The way that it was like the turning off of locations. And she's like, I don't need, I don't want everybody knowing where I want. Yeah, because you are doing something wrong. That is not how sharing your location works. I share my location with some of my friends. I know when they're in other countries. And it's just like, it pops up on the, like, on your text messages right underneath

what location they're at. For you to turn it off only when you're at West or turn it on and off, you know you're doing something wrong. You also only started caring about. that when you started seeing West, spending the night. I am shocked the level of victimization

that Amanda and Wes seem to be like allowing themselves. And it is, it's my biggest pet it's beyond, it is beyond Scandival in the way that Tom and Raquel has struggled with any kind of accountability. Tom was more like, I know, I know, I'm sorry,

I'm sorry, but, you know, and he was like struggling with like his version of the story, Amanda specifically, Wes is just kind of like, I mean, he has his stick. When Lindsay called him out at the end, like, you're so good. And it's true because like that is,

that is what Wes does. And he's doing it right now with his podcast, where he just has this whole like, I'm just going to keep being charming. I'm going to keep, like, he would rather joke about his dick size. Yep. And he would rather talk about his news

in a funny, self-deprecating way than just being like, I did a shitty thing. I was reckless with your feelings. Yeah. I'm seeing that now. I'm really sorry. Straight up.

Like he's breaking down the first. photos that people have taken of them. But it's true. It is very disengaging. It makes you, even, you had Jesse kind of like laughing and falling for it and like getting sucked into the vortex that is charming West Wilson. Lindsay in the beginning when he like cracked a joke or something and she goes, not fair. Don't make me laugh. About the sweat. But that's what he, that's what he's committed to. That's what he's going to keep doing. And the truth is, it'll work for it. It'll work eventually. But my opinion fully changed because Listen, people lie because they were coming from a place of shame, right?

Like, I don't, I can understand why she lied, why both of them lied to Sierra, right? They were ashamed and they, whatever, whatever, whatever. They knew they were doing something wrong. Learning that they, quote unquote, did not sleep together until after the statement was posted. I don't believe that for a second. I wanted to say, ask you guys, what was the craziest thing you guys heard at the reunion? Probably that. That is... The way that they both were like, oh, we first hooked up end of February.

We both, after the statement, and it's just like, no, you guys have rehearsed this. You guys have the same fucking thing, but I highly fucking doubt it. But think about it. Let's us take them at face value that they, for the... They had sex for the first time after they released that statement. That would be... That would be so weird. She said not that night.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because she realized that sounded really... fucking weird. It would give it a sense of like losing your virginity. Because like how do you put out that statement? Spawning Clyde is what it is. And have the whole world come at you and then be like, now we should.

I think we should have sex. You know what put me in the mood? That chat GPT statement, let's go. And the fact that Amanda wants us to believe that you burned down your whole world before you knew if the dick was good. Yeah, it's like this made so much more sense to me when it was like, oh my God, they were just hanging out. They were both drunk.

They fell into each other's. And it was just this drunk hookup. And then they were like, fuck, what did we do? Wait, I kind of have feeling. Like that made more sense to me than this like going out, spending time West, admitting that he says, I made the first move by saying, is it just me or are we feeling something? Which shame on fucking you. Like the set, you should have never said that ever. Keep it to yourself.

And I'm saying the quiet part out loud. That's the part that Sierra and Mia and Kyle kept emphasizing. which is like, again, you're 30-something years old. You're an adult. You can control your thoughts. You can control how you feel. And even if you feel a certain way, you can stop yourself from going there. You know, it's like, hey, I'm staying away from sugar.

I have, hmm, that cookie seems good right now. I really want that cookie. I'm going to go for a walk instead. You know, I'm going to have a glass of water. You know, and they're just like, I don't know. I just like wanted a cookie. And there's nothing I can have fucking done about it. It's like, that's how they sound.

You feel it, turn away. Walk away. And then I still just think about like the breadcrumming on Instagram, the whole thing, then posting on the same day, she posting, broke my wedding vows. And then him posting a dump to the song, my ex's best friend. And it's just like, you guys knew what the fuck you guys were doing. And that's why I'm like the whole playing dumb. And that's why I appreciate Jesse being like, can you guys just stop lying and just be like honest?

Like when did you hook up first? Like, you know, and like they won't say that. But you know, it's not end of February. You probably know it's December 16th, 2025 at 8. 30 p.m. You fucking know. If they had sex for the first time after this statement, that would be diabolical. It's worse. It's so much worse. So much worse. They thought that was going to sound good and it's worse. Because it's like,

oh, we waited. We really were trying to figure this out. Like, no, no. I would rather you be human and be like, okay, we made a really fucked up mistake. And then we're like, but we liked it. So I didn't know how to handle it and I didn't know how to tell you. Like, these are real things that like I would understand. I don't know how to talk to you about this. Also, it completely kind of tradicts the whole like, persona they're giving off because for them to have waited to have sex, keep in mind, one of the players in this equation is Wes Wilson, who seems to be pretty loose with his dick. Remember, he was, the first season he was on Summerhouse with Sierra, he's asking her best

friends. So, like, how long do you guys usually wait to have sex? Because I'm like four or five weeks into this, and I don't know. Which means that if they did wait to have sex until after the statement, at some point, one of those two had to have been like, not yet. Not yet. I'm not I'm not ready. I'm not ready too soon. While both saying you don't want something serious. We should wait. Which means that they're implying that they have self-control.

It implies that they could want something and not be ready for it. And it's just like. But then after you release a statement, you're like, you can't help who you like and who you're attracted to. It makes no sense. I'm still thinking the TikTok in like December of last year where she's at his apartment with two other friends that are in a relationship and they're eating. Nuggets and off of ramen.

Like, why are you just, like, hanging out at West Department all the time if you guys aren't hooking up? The sex also doesn't matter. Like, at the end of the day, it's like, you still had that emotional connection months before while also in a relationship. You know, like, he also had a girlfriend, they called out. Yeah. Well, Sierra also ate down with the whole, like, and where was I?

And where was I? I'm the one that's trying to invite you out with the girlfriends. I'm trying, like, Mia and Sierra have a real ass fucking friendship. And that's loyalty. And that is, that is family right there. And I'm just like, it sounds like Sierra was like, hey, girl, you're on your own. I want to bring you in. Me and I are going to go grab drinks.

I'm trying to make sure that you know that you have female support behind you. And she's leaving Sierra on red, not responding, turning off her location. And it's like what you literally said to Sears, go fuck yourself. I think Amanda, or I think, yeah, I think Amanda pushed Sierra away knowing that what she was doing was doing her dirty. So she was like, if I'm not close to her, it's less bad than if I was actually close to her. Thank you. You know what I mean? Like I think that's what her motive was.

Yeah, because you weren't answering my phone calls. Because you're with Wes and his apartment. You know, like, so I think like that's what was happening. It like makes you like feel better about it. Like it's like, yeah. It allows you to revise the history because it's not as bad as if she was actively hanging out with Sierra while also hooking up with us. The only hope for Amanda or the is to say that she really just doesn't see it yet.

And she's still like blinded by whatever emotional state she's in. That's the only explanation because it just makes. I just want to believe that this isn't at her core who Amanda is. But maybe. Did it? Lindsay say that though when she was like at the end of this West, Amanda's just going to be a girl that you use to get to the next girl. And like she's going to just be left her after all of this damage.

The idea that like again, fine about the marriage, not working out, whatever, and fine if you're okay with throwing away your friendships. But I'm like to hear that this person that you're willing to lose all of this for is having sleepovers with his maybe girlfriend, ex-girlfriend, then-girlfriend, whatever who's dressing him for his night appearance at a talk show and spending the night in New York city together. I'm like, that to me would be like heartbreaking. And the idea that she's like, no, we talked about it. It's fine. It's like, okay, so you really are okay with just being one option on some night when West isn't busy with someone else when you had a whole ass husband or you could

have a whole ass partner that would literally be there to support you. Also, so you're acknowledging that your competition to his girlfriend. Just saying regardless of your sexual, you acknowledge that it was like something serious enough. And I'm so glad that you said that because I also wonder like sometimes where I'm like, this is my own, you know, psychology, whatever, could be wrong, could be right, whatever. It's just my own thought about it. But like from watching the entire series. And I'm like, I feel like that's part of her like her stick, her fetish, her whatever that

she's into that it's like, Kyle was this party guy that you couldn't get to commit. So the whole thing was like, he was like, okay, let's get a pre-nup. It was like, no, you should want to marry me. You should want to be with me. No bars hold. And it's just like for her to get Kyle was like the accomplishment. And then when she got Kyle, she just complained about him the entire time when he didn't really change who he was as a person from when she was pursuing to when she got him

tied down. And then I'm like with West, it kind of just feels like the same fucking thing where it's like, okay, he's seeing all of these girls. So like what? You're going to stick around until you're the final one. I mean, was it Sierra or Lindsay? No, it was Sierra who like read and clocked Amanda. That was the one when Kyle was like, yeah, it was a little mean. Yeah. And she's like, that's not my wife. But which was an amazing response. But what I love, and that's the overall why I loved this reunion part one versus the vendor pump of it all is because even though I thought Sierra ate in that

comment and that response was perfect like he's not my husband it was like it was a you know it was slightly mean which is okay and which is more Sierra's entitled to it you know she wrong she's not wrong but you can be you can be mean and right at the same time but what I loved about it in the Mia's response in Kyle's is that like there seemed to be

a goal with the cast of like let's call them out for what they are but we don't need we don't need to be me we don't need a dog pile to to get our point across when mea was like when amanda's trying to explain herself making no sense and truly sounding and i hate the word pick me because it's thrown away but truly sounding like a pick me who like will always make an excuse for herself and the men she dates but like in not listening to how she sounds and and mea was like do you like girl like what what are you doing explain this to me because i can't understand it and it's like and And Mia truly sounded empathetic in that moment towards Amanda in a way that sounded like productive

and not mean. And I think that lands so much better because I think the cast risked being mean. Because if you're too mean, eventually the audience is like, I don't know. It's like it's getting, and they weren't.

And I thought that was great and really productive for the entire cast. Because Sierra, like, she wasn't mean. No. She just had some nice great. And it was so right. It was like, what do you, what do you,

What are you doing? It's also interesting that, and I think this has two parts to it. It's interesting that that was the first time that we really saw Amanda get emotional. And it was when she said, like, you're weak enough to be with West. Like, you're his perfect partner because you're weak, you're mute, you won't stand up and really like came for her. I also think that could have been hours into this reunion where she's taking, I mean, you know, And I think obviously that's a lot to handle at once. And I think it just finally hit her breaking point.

So I don't know if her crying was the fact that she called her out for being West's, like, weak person or if she just was like, holy fuck, this is just like a lot right now. I was going to say, I agree with that. I could be either one because I'm like sometimes it's hard to hear a truth about yourself, especially when you've had that thought in the back of your head. And I just don't know how you could not have that thought with West where it's like if you're not out with him, who is he out with? Right. You know what I mean? So it's like, and you're the type of girl, even the Mia thing where it's like, oh, you went to pregame at his house before he had a date with another woman that he might be sleeping with that night. Like, but you have feelings for him, but you don't know if it's clear enough, but it's okay to explore that or you should be allowed

to pursue that when you're going to throw away your friendship with somebody else at the same time. Like, I don't know. So I'm sure it also like he's going around speaking on his podcast while she's silent. And I think that says a lot of like, I think Amanda's in a place where she probably is struggling mentally and questioning what it all was for, right? They're on vacation in Rome, so they're not. I know they are. But it's also so true that, like, he really did sit there and just let her get annihilated. Not even one like, wait, wait, hold on.

Like, that's, that was on me or like anything. Nothing. Well, he did do one of those. Where? He, like, for a quick second, it felt random, by the way. But he was like, well, I'll take accountability for whatever he said. It was a lying. That was for lying.

Yeah, like. Because he did. We brushed over it. And again, and that was also, like, about him. There's literally text messages that prove that they lied. That he lied. But it wasn't in question. Meaning you lied.

We're saying like, we're saying in the sense of like not him also being on the defense, like in the sense of just like Amanda having all of these people coming with her with opinions and whatever he could interject and be like, wait, wait, let me like take that because like I feel like she's getting a lot of heat and it should be on me. But that's the point that I was trying to make that he's so vocal on social media, but then shows up in the reunion silent, whereas she's the one that's having to talk in the reunion by like not vocal online. But he's only vocal in the sense that he's explaining himself.

and the reason why he doesn't seem to be able to defend Amanda because it seems like the only thing, like one of the things that Amanda and West agreed upon is this narrative of like, it was like, it was an, it was an accident. This is all new to us. You know, but just or just like, fate, we can't help who we like. And it was like, you know, this whole like,

we, we didn't plan this. Our feelings just happen and we can't possibly control how we feel. And so that's why, like, West, can't really say anything. And now when he's on his podcast, I know last week we talked about the whole, like, we didn't see it in this part of the reunion, but like when Sierra's like,

he's dating you despite me. And we discuss that. I'm actually now convinced that maybe, maybe Sierra's right. Because like if you're West and you're going on these podcasts, again, I just don't think he's stupid. No.

And the fact that he just keeps going on and now he's breaking down these photos, right, of him. And like, he's like, all these misinformation online. It's honestly kind of genius of, to like defend the things that he are inaccurate about him, you know, and be like, well,

that's not my head and that's her hat. And it's just like he's got, he's getting into the weeds about the story without ever really addressing it. And again, the thing, what I was trying to articulate last week, it really doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, whether that's true or not, even if it's true. I mean, I've spent most of my adult life, you know, when I think back, the emotional energy I, put into people in relationships that had long expired, you know? And I spent a lifetime and a lot of therapy learning that, like, even if Sierra is right, whatever amount of good feelings she has in the short term, that part that makes her feel good

is the part that keeps you stuck in relationships. Like the part where the friends are like, he's going to regret it, blah, blah, blah. Like, even if it's true, it's the signal that like you are still stuck and you're emotionally invested, which is the only, it was the part I was trying to make. it's like it's just it's that you know and i've spent a lot of time trying to figure it out that like that's the feeling that this should be the wake up call and you want it you want to you want to not care if that's true but that is the hardest part because there's nothing more hurtful than knowing that you've broken your heart broken that you've spent all this emotionally

energy and then the person the other side doesn't give a fuck that is so painful because that it's like a child yeah you know like you you're like you you cared about this thing, the relationship, you've nurtured it and to like ignore it and just throw it away is like abandoning your kid. And like that's how that feels to like just, everyone's like just let go. And it's true.

You should let go, but it's so hard to do because you've cared so much about this thing. And the person the other side, West is like, yeah, I'm like, you know,

whatever, he just doesn't give a fuck. And at this point, the fact that he can't just say, even if he doesn't believe it, I was reckless. with your feelings. Even subconsciously,

he doesn't want to give Sierra the win. Why can't he just pretend like he gave a fuck? Even the question that Kyle asked about the breadcrumming and he's like, it feels like you know what to say to the audience

and like you're like building on a storyline and it's like again, Nick Sand just went up in the air really fast for people that are radio. You guys remember when we first started watching this season and Leah,

who by the way is happy, healthy, I'm maternity leave. And you guys were all like, oh, Weston, Sierra, oh my God, I love it. And I was like, guys, it's not happening. I don't think it's happening. I don't believe it because, like, I had talked to people, boots on the ground close

the street that, like, it made no sense from the things I was hearing that West would entertain this relationship again. And it always felt to me like bullshit. And it felt to me like storyline. And it felt to me like, you know, like, and yeah, I absolutely think West played into this narrative knowing full well he was never ever going to go there well and i was going to say that i'm like also scimanda whatever broke right before this season so it's like we already kind of knew that it wasn't going to like end up that way but i will say that if they never dropped that that thing and

like we just let the rumors die i would still be sitting here rooting for sierra and and west and then we're going to talk about it in the city but i'm like even the preview for next episode where it's amanda sitting down with sierra and west and it's just like what do you mean you don't understand why people are mad at you. Like, you know, like we were rooting for that couple. You claim to have been rooting for them. If West could get his shit together, I would drop him. I would never talk to him again. Well, apparently, you would drop Sierra for West in a heartbeat. And that was like the context that was missing in all of that bullshit that you were spouting to Mia. I mean, I have to say, I'm sure reunion day is already dark enough, him finding out like his whole grandmother thing, which was like

either the day of or a few days before. And then literally sitting down to start. And he's like, I just got a text that my nudes are out in Missouri. And I was also going to say, I'm like, kind of interesting where I was like, which ex-girlfriend, girlfriend leaked those? Because that happened in your hometown. That wasn't like, oh, it came from New York to L.A. Right. Like, you said that that was spreading in your hometown, didn't realize that it already had hit New York. And also, Kyle, love him for the, how many dick picks do you have to be sending it for it to end up to me? Literally.

Also, Amanda being like, why I never got one. Oh, I missed that comment. No, she also, she had two moments like that where I was like, girl, you were. not doing what you think you're doing because I think Jesse or somebody said, uh, relationships are always great when they start off as a friendship. And she goes, what? That's crazy. As if it's like, uh,

legitimizing the fact that like her and West fell into a relationship because of a friendship. And it's like, this is not your moment. I would be mad at West if I was Amanda, though. Like the second they sat down in the green room and he was like, I'm Zen. I've been like, we're on two different pages. Like, what do you mean you're Zen? We can't be Zen. It's giving like he like four weed gummies and was just like, oh shit.

No, and Andy left. And Amanda's like, like, that wasn't so bad. and laughed. Ooh. Andy being like awkwardly like well okay. Connor was like I think he says you guys seem cool or you guys seem okay and then just leaves.

It's awkward. Is that all he said? And I was like I guarantee you he must have said more. That's just all they felt was necessary. Just pretend to be devastated. Literally. Just pretend.

You know that Andy was just like this is awkward. Like they're not, they're giving weird energy. I'm just going to say, you know, just like all right. Well, you two seem good. Right. Well, then you have this like pre-interview with Sierra where I was kind of like, I feel like we're doing a lot here. Like, so how do you feel?

Let's get you crying beforehand. Now get out there, girl. Kyle and Sierra where she's like, I'm crying. I'm so sorry. Like, I didn't. Misunderstood you. That was a great moment. It really was.

Because again, also just from a con, like just reality TV in general. Like we, you know, we always say in life, you know, you don't know what people are going through. And even when we watch it on reality TV, if they just focus on one storyline or one aspect about your life, it completely just whitewashes like your lived experience and everything you're going through. And again, it doesn't justify Kyle saying fuck you to Amanda. But like it's amazing how quickly we can have empathy for someone and how it can open up our eyes when we relate to someone's experience. And here you have Sierra who for all season long was obviously writing for a friend Amanda, appropriately calling out Kyle for his treatment of their friend.

But then now that they have this kind of shared trauma from West and Amanda, Amanda, it's great to see how like, you know, it kind of opens their eyes to be like, you know what, there was, I'm not excusing your behavior, but I, I, I'm sorry that I wasn't hearing you out. I'm sorry that I wasn't listening to like, clearly you were struggling, and I wasn't open to receiving that because I was kind of blinded by it. And it was just, it was just a really human moment for those two to connect in that way and just kind of shows us that, like, again, we all have a lot going on. And that there's always two sides of the story, right? Like I'm like, Sierra's getting all of this information from Amanda and how it makes Amanda feel.

But it's like, again, even watching in the city, I'm kind of like, damn, like, I have a lot of sympathy for Kyle because I'm like, we don't see this side of Amanda like at home cracking jokes and one-offs. And remember he said that? And I think I like annihilated him for it. So apologies. But it was just kind of like him being like she always with these snide remarks and these comments. And I see it played back. And I was like, okay, grow a pair. Like it's what's what your relationship is.

But then it's like, oh, like if you're actually. not on board with that and you're seeing this and seeing that this is her opinion of you behind your back and then being told or gaslit to your face like that's not what you saw. I'm just being funny ha ha but I'm like again the scene of her packing up her shoes and like just cracking jokes and whatnot I was just like this

just doesn't feel nice. You've been asking about the dogs and in the city you know and she's like did you take them out? No no. After he did everything else. She's like when she's like when she's packing her shoes. Yeah like she's like well I might need him to run away from you which felt so mean at the time. Right after asking him to pack up your shit and like first of all

everybody knows past 25 don't ask another grown-ass human being to help you move your shit. It's a lot. You gotta hire movers. And it's just like to ask your ex that you're getting an apartment from, but lying and saying that we're just separating but we're not separated. We're going to date each other.

But why don't you move my shit? But let me pack a pair of shoes in case I need to run away from you. When she called at the reunion, Kyle, her ex. Crazy. Yeah, well, when I was like, what did she say, leaving my ex or something with my ex. It's like he's right there.

and you were married. And he was your husband. Married. But it was just so desensitized. It was so just throw away. It was so just like, oh, yeah, my ex. Like, yeah, it was just my ex. It's how she talks, like, off camera probably.

And you also know even with the whole, like, in the city premiere and how he was like, Amanda wasn't going to come. And I had to, like, convince her to come and all that stuff. I was like, that man is, no matter what you have done to him or how you've made him feel or look, that man has been there for you. And that's somebody who's showing up and being like, hey, like, let's talk about her mental health. Like, hey, like, yeah, I know that I should be upset.

that with her, but, like, people make mistakes and hopefully she gets over. Like, she's really trying to be supportive of her. And then she's just sitting here being like, I'm not married to you anymore. I don't want to go too far because Kyle has made his mistakes. But I really think the ultimate testament of, like, a man in masculinity in terms of how he treats his woman partners is to have their back without having to get credit for it. You know, it's performative if you're like, well, I did this for them and I got them flowers and let me show up to the scene doing all these nice things and that I'm not like you should do that

like you you know at the risk of coming across performative just be nice and show up for your partner but I do think like a real testament is to like you know to protect your person without needing the credit and even you know and to fall on the sword and I I and the more people I talk to in this cast the more I think I'm realizing that a Kyle has really protected Amanda over the years he has taken a lot of heat and maybe some of it deserves, certainly how he's spoken to her, but without ever having to point out that a lot of it comes from some of the stuff that Amanda does or doesn't do that Kyle has been just, and I think that, like, I think he deserves some credit if that's true. If he has been falling on the sword and taking a beating from the entire fan base, and again, doesn't mean he's

never done anything wrong, but I think that shows, that that says a lot about his character, if that's true, that he has been having her back without having to get credit for it. And I think it's been going on for a long time. I agree with that. Even the part that we talked about at the end where he was just like, hey, like, that was kind of harsh where it's just like, again, she's like not my, that's not my wife. But it's like to him, he was like, yeah, but it's just like, it's hard for me to hear. And like, that's where it's like, again, you're talking about a woman that he spent 10 years of his life

with. And then to hear that like, oh, she's being some submissive weak person for some guy that's trampling all over her. Like, that hurt him. And I'm like, if anything, most people would be like, Like, yeah, you got what you deserve. And he's like, literally in tears. Very gentle way of, yeah.

He was like, listen, you can say what you need to say. He said, you're entitled to your feelings, Sierra, but that one was just like a little harsh and that one actually hurt me. You could even tell when they were talking about like the first time they hooked up. And he was like, can we move past the sex part and can you just answer the question? Yeah. Like it was like you could tell that it was still just so fresh to him. No, but we waited until after the statement.

But we waited to after the statement. It was this giving like losing your virginity and like. coming out of the bathroom, like, as you've, you know, lit a candle. And, like, Wes is, like, lying on bed. So bad. Like, that's how it was giving. I think it's the body and clive. They're just going down together.

They're like, we're doing it. So let's do it. And then now they're in Italy. Now they're in Italy. Which honestly, smartest thing for them to do. Get out of it. Be on a different. Be 10 hours off the time zone.

I mean, like, go wherever you want. I mean, it's fine. But, like, they're clearly going to, like, very touristy spots. Because wherever they go, they're, like, there is photos. There's photos of them. One other thing we didn't get to talk about that I have just seen because of the unedited version, Hello Peacock, when they're starting the reunion and they're all sitting down and West starts making a noise or something with his mouth. He's going.

And she's like, don't do that while you're talking to people. Don't do that while you're talking. Don't do that while you're talking. And it's just like it reminded me of the Yankees game where he's like cheering and you can see her trying to like pull him down in the seat where it's just like it's giving girlfriend. It's a long relationship. Yeah. That's something I would say to me. Like anytime Nick is with his foot, you know, like bouncing or something, I'm always like.

Anytime I'm being obnoxious. Oh, yeah. I was like, Connor says, asks me, you know, all the time in, uh, conversation. And I'm just like, I don't know. I don't. I actually really don't know. Nick used to hit my arm a lot when he was like talking about something. He used to be like an arm hitter.

And I'd be like, can you stop hitting me? You haven't done that in so long. I used, I didn't know. Like people like would call me off or be like, why are you hitting me? And I'm like, hey, hey. And I like tap it on the shoulders. Isn't that also flirtatious though? That's what you do when you're like.

Is that touching? You like touch them when you're like. No? I would do that apparently with everyone. They will flirt you. You'd be able flirt. I felt so cold out but I don't do that anymore. No, you don't do it anymore.

Can I ask? Ear stuff. Has that ever been something that you incorporate into your relationship? Wait, can you explain? Because I was confused when I heard it and I just decided to block that out of my memory. What were they saying exactly? He kind of clarified it with nothing happened. Everything happened above the chin.

So he was. When he was talking about. kissing Sierra in the finale of Summerhouse. But the way he'd minimize it. He said it was just ear stuff, which like... More intimate. Well, first of all, we did see y'all make out.

Like, so it wasn't just ear stuff. And also, like, what does ear stuff even mean? You were, like... And then they showed a clip, which they didn't show in the original edit, of him definitely kissing on her ear. Mm-hmm. Which, yeah, to next point, very intimate.

It is intimate, yeah. But West is just, like, intimate. That's where I was saying even the hugs with Amanda and the like massaging of the hair and like whatnot. Connor's been touching my hair a lot recently. And I'm just like, I've never noticed it before until this whole West stuff that I was like, oh my God, you do. Like, well, it would just be like walking and all of a sudden his like hand is like, and I'm like, wait. That is intimate. But I'm like, you're my partner.

So I wouldn't think twice about it. The fact that he does that to anybody and everybody. And I'm also like, how many people are you hooking up with and how are you clarifying it that you have to say to yourself in your head like or out loud, I guess, at a reunion. everything above the chin. I've never once had to classify a hookup of mine being like, it's only above the chin, no below the chin action. But it's crazy, the more information we get about the relationship between West and Amanda, the more it's just like that classic trope of Amanda really is giving, he picked me,

I won, no one else can land this plane. He's hooking up with all these girls, but he picked me. And it's like, man, really? And everything she says, like validates the criticism that she gets in a way that she doesn't seem to get. Also, the way that he just like downplays his other relationships. And Lindsay and Sierra being like this other girl that you were dating the night of watch what happens live. Like, she thought this was exclusive. She thought you were only dating her.

And he's just like, well, like, I was seeing somebody. Oh, so that must be a step up from after you introduced them to your parents. But it's the same premise of like back to that scene where you see back to ear stuff where we are watching it. The entire house is like, oh my God, it's happening. Wes and Sierra. Jesse did that in the room. They're getting back together.

They're all excited. You see Sierra light up. We're like, you know what? I'm putting my guard down and this is a safe place. And Wes is this more like, what do you talk about? I'm just doing your stuff. I'm just, this is what I do. And then you have Andy asking Amanda, like, did you know about the

canoodling and she says not to that extent, no. Which like, why would you need to know at that time? Like as if she's mad. Yeah. She's like, I'm going to be talking about this with West after we get done here. He should have me that he was kissing. Yeah. About like the level of intimacy and not in a way that was compassionate towards Sierra,

but like very much like how could you do this to me, West? Mm-hmm. And then and the way she answered that does suggest that there was something going on between them in that moment because she gave a not to that extent as if she had the right to know. Exactly. And that's like, whoa, I think you're giving something away here. I don't think you realize you're giving away. And again, they probably weren't fucking.

But there was clearly something going on that they both knew about. All of the photos from Italy of them on their phone. I was like, so y'all are locked in. Okay. Y'all are reading every comment. By all means, go to Europe. Disconnect, protect your mental health, and now we're seeing photos of them at dinner

on their phone. Yep. So like, you didn't really run away from anything, you didn't need to go to Rome. Yeah. I would be leaving that thing in the hotel room if I were the two of them.

Also, Andy Cohen changing his profile photo to him from the reunion looking at them. Which is like he's had the same profile photo for a minute. For a minute. Love. I saw a friend of mine, she put it on her close friends, I imagine because they, you know, you never know what the internet will respond to this situation. But she was talking about, obviously, Sierra has gotten just so many brand deals from this.

Like, remember Ariana got like the brawny, like just, you had pretty litter, litter robot. Come out of all of them. She's gotten L'Oreal. I don't have time for extra drama, unnecessary energy. And I certainly don't have time for anything that's fake. Sonic, her and Ariana Maddox. Sephora actually rewards loyalty. DSW, it's a girls' girl's summer. Clothing rental company. newly a lot to unpack. And she was saying on her close friends, like the fact that all of these brands are doing the same,

like chat GPT, loyalty, girls' girl, it's like they've got to come up with something else. You can imagine that Sierra is like, like, hell yeah, get me my bag, but I have to like really like go back to this Amanda West of it all. Which reminded me.

She had, I think, the line of the night, which was it? like we might as well get into details before I bury it and put dirt all over or something like that. It was much, it was more eloquent. But like, which I love that for her. Because again, if you are a real friend of Sierra, you want, you have to root for her to move on. Yeah. You want to her, at some point, you want to be able to go to her and be like, can you believe that?

And have her go, honestly, I'm over it. I don't care. That's what you want for Sierra. You do not want her sitting in this. You do not want her calling you up. being like, can we talk about it again? If she has to be her friend and do that, but the real, like, you want her to move on. You want her to find peace. And I love that Sierra, it seems to be like, all right, I'm going to do my job. We have to talk about it. I'll get my bag. But like,

at the end of the day, I'm ready to move forward and this is beneath me. Like, that is, that's the ultimate win for Sierra to truly just be done with it. Monetize it. While she was on the Amthar Red Carpet and Cannes. Period. She said that she got interviewed and, um, asked a question about it. And she was like, yeah, the reunion's happening. It's heavy. But, like, I'm so happy to be done with this because I want to move on with my life. Like, she's got dancing with the star.

She's booked in busy Love Island. And then it's like, yeah, she's, after this, she's like, I don't want to talk about them anymore. So period. Like, I hope she continues to get all of these brand deals. She will. I just hope that the brands themselves are more creative in the way that they are. Let's get to the moving on part. I was going to say, yeah, but I'm like, in, that's just what they do.

Our ambassador. Let's just have her, let's not have it be like loyalty and I know a lot about unpacking baggage and girls fucking you over. It's like let's just have Sierra be gorgeous and hot and smart and funny. I know how to be a hot model that's talented and also funny in costumes. If she's not walking in this year's Victoria's Secret fashion show, I will cause a riot. Oh, she needs to be. Oh my God. Cause riot. She has to be. Can I play devil's advocate for a second? And I'm formulating my words here as I'm going. Natalie. Say your line. He doesn't need one. He doesn't need one. And I do think that she put herself in this position, so it does not excuse it. But I can only imagine how isolating it feels for Amanda in this reunion. Because, like, every time she tries to speak, she's rightfully cut off, which is why she's eye-rolling. We see the eye-rolls. And, like, we're using it as, like, she's eye-rolling everybody what they're saying, which is true.

But, like, she doesn't have the chance to really say what she's going to say because everything she says is going. and I'm saying this with an asterisk if I'm formulating it as I'm saying it. But I don't imagine like she literally just has to take the beatings. Sure. I disagree.

And only, and even if, even if she was set up perfectly to fail. And by, but what I mean by that is out of the gates, the cast came for them pretty strongly. And immediately,

even if you were, yeah, as they should. And even if you were like, kind of prepared to like make a statement, it's easy to get caught up and just defending yourself and people are coming at you.

But she had so much time to, to prepare for this. Her and Wes had so much time to sit down and be like, all right, let's not get distracted. They're going to come for us. We know what they're going to say. But like, just get ahead of it. Right. So as soon as it started, as soon as Osser came for Amanda, Amanda could be like, can I just, I know it undeserved it, but can I just say something quickly and just, and just say, I'm a shit friend. I know. I deserve everything that's coming from me. I don't want to make excuses for my, there's, it's, it's not that hard to like come out. with a prepared statement that just at least demonstrates that you get it and that you're

not going to defend yourself and you're here to take the beating but you are sorry but she didn't any of that it was the it was iroles immediately it was it was saying fuck off immediately it was no matter what everything sierra said it was a victimizing herself to be like how could you say that to me how do you not understand that feeling like her saying am i not allowed to pursue something that i feel strongly about i'm also how quickly she said fuck off to Sierra where I'm just like you acted like it was the most abhorrent thing for Kyle to ever say

to you and to the person that you genuinely should not be having that attitude with you just popped off at that beat based off of saying what your close friends are friends with West I guess Andy's question also was like her segue way to say anything like the intro question was where she literally could have just said anything she like to just

could have got ahead of it and if she did that if she did that the rest of the cast could have run the risk of then sounding mean yeah because if they said the right things and then Kyle and Sierra and Mia all kind of ignored it and they

kind of like they stuck to like their plan which was to come for them then they had then it was then that potentially would have come across me but she did like they they clearly weren't going to do that it was true true it was West in Amanda in the room being like I'm chill

you know well it was west yeah and Amanda to be fair like the reason why she kept getting cut off is because she would cut off Sierra to defend herself and then Sierra would be like shut the fuck up. I'm talking. But it's like the question was asked to me. I'm answering.

And you don't like what I'm saying. So you're trying to jump in there and say something. And this is not your time. It's not your place. She's just, her arguing that she has other friends. She's like, my friend Katie.

Kyle, I show a picture of her and her friend Katie. It's like, okay. Kyle trying to help her out being like she has another friend Katie. Sure. And I have a boyfriend in Canada. I think it's just so Dolulu that I'm just trying to

empathize a little bit with her. Like, you want to. to empathize because it's like, you know, you don't ever want to see someone get covered the dirt and buried and stomped on and shit on and the whole internet is dragging her and like, consequences for her actions. It is. But I know, I know people have friends, have people close to me, people I love dear their heart, their dear to my heart who have made terrible mistakes.

Sure. They have lost friendships. They have like, you know, they've hurt me. They've, you know, and sometimes those people are like, there's a wake, like, a lot of times when people get caught or things are revealed, people are like, I know, like, honestly, sometimes, you know, like people are happy to get caught. Yeah. You know, like, you know, it's just like, you know, I think he wants to get caught because it's like it's, like it's. Keeps leaving the wet bandit. You know, and sometimes when people get caught, they're almost relieved because like they're living the lie and they don't know how to get out of it.

So like sometimes just like they get caught and then they take their beating. And then there's a true like I can't explain my actions. I know it was disgusting. I know I was wrong. I know I did all this. And I don't want to justify it. And I probably need some therapy. And I need to pack up.

Unpack some childhood trauma. There's just none of that. There's just no. They're just completely obtuse and pretending they just don't get it and that people just don't understand their point of view. And that just seems crazy. No, doubling down to sound. like for a couple of 30 year olds who have been on TV for a decade.

That. Well, it's amateur. It's amateur, by the way. I've been thinking about this. All of this. My biggest pet peeve is when somebody says something and I'm like, no, wait, I don't understand. And then they just say the same thing over again. And I'm like, I understand what you're saying. I don't understand the meaning behind what you're saying. Yes. But what you're saying doesn't make sense. So I need you to unpack it further. And like, that's what I feel like Amanda and Westar. Like they're just like, no, it's the timeline. It happened in February. And we're like, it's not about that. How do you feel? feel looking at your friend Sierra? How do you feel looking at your friend, Kyle, or your ex-husband or husband or whatever? Kyle, how do you feel looking at them talking about this? And instead, it's like, there's no overlap. Girl, at this point, nobody gives a shit because nobody believes you either. Oh, and Amanda was like, well, what? You're all are acting like I had an affair. Yes. Yes. You can't sleep with anybody for the rest of my life until the judge signs the documents. When, Lynn, which I actually kind of agree with that thing. It's celibacy or West Wilson. Those are your two fucking options. And not part two.

Like, wait, when Lindsay was spelling out to West, like, the difference between a physical and emotional connection. And she's like, which one do you think is deeper? And she's like, oh, we didn't really sleep together. She only slipped over twice, but we were like texting flirty things every night. And Lindsay's like, what part do you not get? She cuddled? Yeah, like, what part do you not get? Oh, so you were willing to, like, not sleep with her and respect her boundaries this time while you're fucking her best friend?

Crazy. Foof. Can't wait for part two. Literally. I thought, by the way, they were going to save all of this for, like, like part two or three or like put it at the end of part one. But that was awesome that they moved. They jumped right in.

They needed to though. She was like January 17th. She said actually no, sorry correction. And then you had, was it Bailey? Yeah. Oh, Bailey saying. Coming for Ben. She ate with Ben, honestly.

Like she was like, I don't like the way that you speak to women. I don't like the way that you speak to Sabrina or Amanda or me. You, what'd she say? You love to reprimend women. Reprimand women. I don't know if I totally agree with it. She definitely ate and she was, she was prepared in a way that Amanda and West should been prepared.

100%. But even then she ate with the whole, like, Ben, you're happy to reprimend how Amanda talked to you about this. But then as soon as Kyle does something, you're like sitting there about to make out with him. And like, we all saw that. We were just like, oh my God, Kyle, I'm so sorry. And yes, I love that he was there to support him through that because Kyle needed it. But it's still like, yeah, when the guys are going through something, it's like, let's

cuddle and let's figure out and like what's going on with you and Sierra. But then it's like, yeah, one of the girls pisses you off and you're jumping up, flipping a table essentially, ready to yell at her in her bedroom. It is true. It is true. You know. And she ate with being like, I think you acted that way because you were dating Sabrina the whole time. Oh, yeah.

The April 25, Stan Mark, or? Sorry. I'm sorry. What is it with Summer House and these like relationships that are like off camera? Somebody said everybody's got a secret relationship on this show. I'm just like bring them all on the camera at this point. But why is Ben on Summer House and not in the city? Who is he friends of?

Well, I think he was like single, they thought. And so it was like summer. kind of believe that because it's 2026 and like no one defines relationships and boyfriend and girlfriend is like a very rarity these days. So it's very believable that Sabrina and Ben met had a fling, spent the night hooked up, kept dating other people, didn't define the relationship. Then he got cast on a show. And then he was like, I'm technically single. I don't have a girlfriend, but still kind of talking to this girl, Sabrina. You know what I'm saying? Like that's very believable. As much as I think, you know, the scandal helps Summerhouse. It really like, it's hard for a network to manage like PR because like, you know, I think it, you know, it probably helped in the city that launch, but all these other shows, it just sucks the oxygen out of the air for their entire, like, portfolio of shows. It's really difficult. Because, like, the drama that's going on on the other shows is not nearly... Well, again, it makes a big difference when the cast is actually close.

You know what I mean? Like, where it's like, I don't really care about housewives fighting because I know you guys don't talk six months out of the year. We do care about them, but... You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, it's just not as, like, gripping or, like, where it's like, if these people... Like, housewives, Beverly Hills Housewives was best when, like, these people actually went on vacation together, like, outside of, like, Lisa and Kyle going and taking their families to Santropay. Like, that was, like, where it's like, oh, so the shit that's happening behind the scenes can't wait for the season to explain what happened. Where I'm like, Summer House, this is a real group of people.

So you're watching their actual friendship group. Like, even what Jesse said is, like, I just don't understand. I hope that the dynamics of our friend group isn't completely wrecked after this because, like, how do we come back from us? And I think it only is going to get worse for Amanda because it clearly seems like in the city it was meant to be before the scandal like closing the chapter on Kyle and Amanda and watching like because in the city starts with him like going to couples therapy not fully separated. Amanda's moving out. And so we were supposed to get this like how did Kyle and Amanda get to the point where they're like they're done. Yeah. And I think going into filming, Amanda had this like clearly this idea that she was the sympathetic. character and she was going to be right and so now i think we're about to watch all this where

amanda like the comments about the shoe and now amanda is going to look so cold and so mean to kyle in a way that like it's just going to get worse and worse for her and you have kyle like despite all his like transgressions in that marriage is like trying to like be supportive trying to like take the high road still like acting as if he cares about amanda the person and still has love for the person, even though they might not be in a relationship. And she just comes across so cold. And it's just going to get worse and worse

because now we know the truth about West and Amanda and these scenes with Sierra and Amanda and West. It's just like diabolical is the only word you keep like thinking of. And it's just like, it's going to get way worse for her before it ever gets better. 100%. Like I genuinely thought that the point of Into the City

was going to be the disintegration of Kyle and Amanda's relationship. But then obviously the hey Mandy on the street, I thought it was going to be like, oh, they're going to incorporate West as like Amanda's friend of who's there to support her so that us as the audience gets like introduced to this relationship. So that West and Amanda, like, let's say that Scamanda and all that stuff didn't happen. That like they would go through the season. We'd be like, oh my God, West was really there for Amanda throughout. So when they announced their relationship post into the city, we would be like, oh my

God, no, that makes so much sense. But then I'm like, that scene that they're showing for next week with Sierra and West, I was like, I don't know that I would have felt that way even if, because if you guys were sitting here, she's literally saying to West that West has been trying so hard to get Sierra back into his life. Yeah. And like, that's all he wanted. And I'm just like, so then, and he was all you wanted?

Which is, by the way, why I say they're so amateur throughout all of this, like, professional reality TV stars. I know people are taking photos of them and, like, submitting rumors. like they could have just not greenlit a lot of it and then walked out of in the city I'm a totally different way I would have to like make a list of like all of my truths and be ready to like say I'm like to go up against Lindsay Hubbard at a reunion or it's just like the whole like I wait she'd never been in a situation like this and she's like yes in high school like it's like again you're you're you're fucking with the wrong group right now to try to get sympathy

where it's like we've all made mistakes we've all done things that we're not proud of but it's like you don't get to come here and act as if like, oh, you've never like had a crush on your, on your friend's ex. Yeah, enough times to teach myself not to. Like the way Lindsay Hubbard is coming in in the city being like the professional that she is, like, can you imagine being one of these new castmates where it's like, I'm in a new show. We got a whole cast. And then like, you show up. There's cameras and Lindsay Hubbard walks in. And she's like, all right. So like, why the fuck did you have your girlfriend move here? You know, like, but she's doing her job. She's like poking holes. And that must be intimidating for new people. But what's crazy is that like she,

at least as a professional, she's been doing this for 10 years. It's her show with Kyle. And the way that Amanda looks like one of these new cast members who are kind of like naive, don't know, they don't know that their relationship's going to have holes poked in and questions are going to be asked. It is this kind of just, what do you've been doing with this past 10 years, Amanda? Like, just floating? Not clocking in.

That's for sure. Kyle's clocked in for the both of them this whole time. And now she's on her own. And so now we just see like defensiveness and like her just being like, I don't understand. This whole victim thing has worked for me this entire. your time. Why are you guys not listening to me? Because obviously from the leaked audio, you know that there's a part where she's just like, why am I even here if you're not going to let me talk? And it's just like,

girl, then say something. What's even crazier, though, assuming that this relationship between Amanda and West doesn't work out, the way, how is West going to land that plane? And you just know that like whenever it ends, we won't find out until months later. Oh, yeah. Because even if it's over in West's mind, he's going to keep it going because everyone's daring him to keep it going. And Amanda is going to be too embarrassed. And Amanda's going to be too embarrassed. And I don't think Amanda's going to sell them out. I know, we were talking about that yesterday.

I don't think she is going to, like, claim that, like, West took advantage of her and the power dynamic and blah, blah, blah, which I think would be bullshit. She's an adult, you know. And you could argue, if you're arguing power dynamics in reality TV world, she is the matriarch of the show. She is the veteran. This is only West's third season. Like, you could argue it both ways. I don't think that would land. And I also don't think she would do it because, again, I think Amanda prize herself on, like, kind of like, the.

Can I pick me on it. I think Sierra played a great game of chess, this first part of reunion. But like with being the whole like, you know what? Maybe you guys should end up together because this makes sense or whatever where it's just like no matter which way you, like West doesn't win now. Like you know what I mean? Like that was the whole thing. If the challenge is to make Amanda work out because everybody doubts you, great. And then if you guys stay together, Sierra's like, well, at least I was right about something.

But he does the thing. He does this whole like West Wilson routine. which is like why when people like me a couple like episodes ago at the end were like, I know he does things, but he's a good person. And the way we are so quick to praise and defend people who are like easygoing and fun to be around and make us laugh versus the person we're quick to criticize who's like, you know, a little introverted or off putting or aloof and in their head. You know, it's like he has a stick and he's going to keep doing it.

And it just, he wears people down. And it's like, it's hard to be mad at it. people who like pretend there's nothing to be mad about. 100%. Part 2 is going to be good. It's going to be good. Well, that will do it for today's episode. Thank you guys for listening.

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