The Viall Files - E1135 - Taylor Ann Green Details Breakup, Anna Konkle Unpacks Summer House & Love Island New Cast

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  We are extremely delighted to be joined by the incredibly talented Anna Konkle to hear all about her book The Sane One, takes on Summer House drama, the new cast of Love Island USA, and thoughts on the hilarious Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Meanwhile, Taylor Ann Green returns to give us the update on her breakup, relationship with Shep, and potential future return to Southern Charm.  "Cheers to hot people!" Nick is on Substack! Subscribe here: https://nickviall.substack.com/subscribe  HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE?  Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content?  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Cozey: Visit https://cozey.com — the home of possibilities, made easy.   Better Help: Sign up and get 10% off at https://betterhelp.com/viall. Quince: Go to https://quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. Rosetta Stone: Visit https://rosettastone.com/viall to redeem 20% off your Rosetta Stone Sapphire subscription! Ridge Wallet: For a limited time, Ridge is running their HUGE Father's Day Sale! Just head to https://ridge.com/viall and get up to 40% off their best gear. To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 08:54 - Anna Joins 01:02:30 - Taylor Joins 01:35:15 - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @annaryankonkle @tayloranngreen @the_mare_bare @justinkaphillips  

everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the Val Files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by my very pregnant she's ready to go wife ready to go every night it's like oh fuck ready to go last night i was doing laps around the house trying to relieve some i had i did have a little bit of a nick went out of town for three days yeah and so of course that's when like shit you said that like i was like yo i got to have some fun to do he went to Vegas I would be so pissed. He went to Gamble. Played monster trucks.

He went to monster truck convention. Yeah. Yeah. No, he went to strip club for three nights in a row. Yeah. Whoa. Just kidding. To all of those. No, he had some work stuff he had to do and he went away for three days.

And I like texted my doctor and I'm, I try not to abuse my right of having her phone number, you know? Yeah. Because that's a special privilege that I know what it is. Personal life boundaries. Totally. And I'm always like, hey, I'm so sorry. I really hope. hope you're doing well and you're so beautiful and you're so

kind and like take your time and take your time please don't pressure I know this is like a Friday afternoon I feel so bad it was a Friday afternoon yeah and so I texted her and I'm like hey girl having some pretty intense pelvis I assume pelvis pain not quite sure it's like really hard for me to walk

let me know like is this just a twin thing yeah smiley emoji yeah she responds with Please head into the office or head to Cedars. You could be in preterm labor. And Nick is away on business? No, and Nick was away on business. I was out of state.

Out of state. Well, he was playing Madden. Actually, let's be honest. He was playing mad. At the time, I was in between. I got my work done. Work was done. Yeah.

You got your homework done. I got my homework done. It was Friday afternoon. It was Friday afternoon. Yeah, might have been. He might have been gaming. Yeah. And so I call Nick and I'm like, oh my God, this is what's happening. He's like, well, you got to go. You got to go. And I honestly do the office over the hospital. I'm like, you're right. The hospital feels like a lot. Yeah. So I thank God, Genevieve was hanging. Thank God. I was going to say, thank God. I had just laid river down for her nap. Genevieve was helping me put together like the bassinet and the baby bath. She, you know, because I was like, babes, I can't walk. I need your help. So she was helping me. And then I'm like, I'm like, I. I have to go. I need to leave right now.

So thank God she was there. I go and to see my doctor. I get... Did you Uber? No, I drove. You drove, okay. And I go to see my doctor and it's like, oh, no, just typical twin stuff. Nothing to be worried about.

Hang in there. Hang in there. She said, just lay down as much as you can. Is it crazy during pregnancy that's so much you're like, oh, this could either be nightmare, nightmare, nightmare, or completely normal? No, literally. What is the stasis in your body? during those moments. I probably like last night was me sobbing, crying.

Yeah. Pacing around the room and Nick being like, can I want to put your feet up? You want to like. It's really tough. I mean, honestly, I really feel for me. I'm sick. Yeah. I'm sick.

Honestly, I really feel for me too. Yeah. It's a very helpless feeling. Honestly, knowing that your wife is an incredibly excruciating and comfortable pain. Yeah. And you want to be able to do something. and you're just like... We feel so bad for you.

I feel very helpless. I feel... You're really strong. He is. A lot of people should talk about how hard pregnancy is on the last four of us. No one was asking me how I was doing. It's so true.

You sound like an ex of mine. Wow. You're like, I think I've heard this story before. You truly feel like a piece of shit. You're like, can I do anything? She's just like crying and pain. Just trying to do anything, anything to be. want to like lay down and like I feel like I'm drowning when I'm laying down because the pressure

is so heavy and like it's just a lot guys it's a lot yeah just go play madden you know why don't you go to Vegas why don't you take a little trip to relax and yeah chill out you should well I was I mean listen I was I was like on standby she was at the doctor's office and I was you were ready you want to in the middle of a game yeah He was, and I called him Fourth yard line, baby. No, no, no, listen, I called him and I'm like, hey, this is what's going on,

like this is what happened, you know, this is what she said. And then he goes, you've got to be fucking kidding me. And I'm like, yeah, I know, right? Wait, what? And he's like, oh, sorry, something with Madden. And I was like, I have to go. And I hung out of the phone. I was like, this could go with what I'm saying,

but also he was really passionate about it. I feel like it was the game. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, we have a great episode lined up for you all. Let's change the subject quick. Quickly, quickly, quickly. Lots going on, obviously, in the world of Summer House, Wes and Amanda went.

They have been in Italy. Apparently, not just to get away. Does make more sense that maybe they were there for a wedding. Yeah. Anyways, they went to said wedding. The fans are, I don't know, has sleuthing gone too far. Lots to get into. We also have the cast of Love Island has been revealed.

It premieres tonight. We're very excited to talk about, obviously. We'll be getting into episode one of Love Island with the very talented. Hunter Harris, who was the journalist who interviewed a Sierra. Mm-hmm. The Glamour magazine. The Glamour magazine. Yeah, she's great right here. The same day that West and Amanda went to the Yankees game. She's also a big Love Island fan, so she'll be with us on Thursday's episode to talk about part two of the reunion and the premiere of Love Island. Lots to get into. We'll be breaking down the cast photos with Anacconco. But before we do, don't forget that VioFiles Plus is available. It's ad-free. It's rocking and rolling.

All your favorite Vialfiles episodes, Add-Free Plus, your reality recap deep. Dives where we get into now that obviously with Love Island starting, you know, episode every day, we are really going to be breaking it down. Getting into the weeds of all things, Love Island, obviously Summer House and some of your other shows, maybe the Valley, you know, when we have time to watch it. Today we have the very hilarious Anaconkel with us. You guys, you know her, you love her, and she is with us, and she is watching Rhode Island. She's watching Summer House, and she's a big fan of Love Island.

So we'll be talking about all those things with Anna Conkel. Also, Taylor Ann Green, formerly of Summer Charm. Yeah. Recently, popped off on Instagram, friend of show. Also, great merch, by the way. She apparently has ended a relationship. Gaston. Gaston.

Oh, yes, Gaston. Went very Gaston, if you know what I'm saying. Yeah. He went very beast. Oh, yeah. Like Gaston. No one's ever really liked a guest on. You know, ever since Beauty and the Beast.

Yeah. Because he ate all those raw eggs. That always grossed me out. I've done that. Yeah, I know, but he didn't have to make a whole song about it. They were raw? Yeah, he's like, when I was a child, they ate five dozen eggs. Twelve dozen eggs.

And then you see them crack. Anyways, a lot of rumors on the street saying that she's back with Shep. Is she dating Shep? I don't know. What's going on? So we reached out to Taylor. The rumors are that she filmed a scene with Shep. So even more spicy.

Bring her back. That's like when the ball started hanging out with Lafoo. We reached out to Taylor. And I think she'll be joining us to get a Lee inside scoop. So that should be fun. A little messy. TTT. Also, don't forget that I launch a substack. I put out the first episode, we, the team, we. It's a collaborative effort. First article? Article. You have to read. Anyways, it was a little

bit more like why I decided to write it, what I want to focus on. Obviously, a lot of it will be very like, you know, vowel files coded, very much relationship focused and things like that. We'll obviously talk about these shows and use it as a segue. But it's a space where I feel like I can get a little bit more nuanced. The essay I'm putting out, I did a little preview for, but it's what I hope my daughters learn from this Scamanda saga. And now that I have, I'm about to be a father of three daughters,

now when I'm thinking, every time like someone calls in for Ask Nick and things like that, and it's often women asking for advice, I'm always thinking about, man, what, I actually would tell my daughters? Because, you know, time flies, as they say. And before you know it,

I am probably going to be having these conversations with my children. And I think that's going to hit a little bit differently. So anyways, I was thinking about that, wrote this essay. I hope you guys really enjoy it. I think you will. And so that will come out on Wednesday.

So subscribe, join. I hope that you like it. And I hope it's a different way of all of you guys, a different lens to get to know me. So if you're interested, find out. I think Anna Conkull's here. So let's bring on Anna Conkall and start the fun. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp.

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We are so excited to have you. So many people are. in this room are just glowing that you're here. When your name got mentioned as someone who we could possibly get on the show, there was a lot of, oh my God. There was a lot of hootin and hollering and hoot. There was a lot of very, very big pepantine lovers here. Yeah.

So you are among friends, Anna. Thank you. I'm very happy to be here. Well, we are excited, obviously, because before we started talking, you mentioned how you are like us, big reality TV, specifically Bravo fans. That's always fun to have people we love. love the same things as us.

So we're really excited to get into it all with you. It's a fruitful moment right now. So I'm very honored that I get to talk about, you know, all the craziness. It really is a fruitful moment. Yeah, obviously we have the summer house of it all. We have Love Island that's about to kick off. And then, you know, you have all these other shows on reality TV. We had a great episode in Rhode Island.

Rhode Island. Oh, my gosh. Wild night. Wild. Yeah. You want to start with Love Island. Do you want to start with the captain? photos that have been released.

The cast photos. Yes. First thing's first. Everyone's hot. Of course. Everyone's really good-looking. Let me just throw that out there. Anna, how long have you been a Love Island USA fan?

Are you like a season six person like us where like this is honestly like the third season of Love Island USA? Or are you really an OG? Well, I started in the UK. Yeah. Yeah. I've been watching for a decade. You're an FG. And was late to.

getting into, you know, the U.S. version for a while I was like snobby about and like, no, I'm not going to watch that one. It's not the real. But now I'm into it and it's great and cheers to all the young hot people. Do you feel like as someone who's watched the old versions or the OG UK versions? Do you feel like UK is still supreme? Do you feel like the USA has caught up and they're equal? Or do you feel like USA has even maybe even surpassed it? Where do you stand on how they compete? Great questions. I think like all reality, the first seasons, when no one knows the rules are best and they're the most unpredictable and mundane but also get to really operatic highs. So and there's like a little bit of camp just because it's older and it's like a bit of a different generation. So the tits are higher. The tans are, you know, more intense. Like everything's a little different. And I love that. I could watch that for days. you know, when it's not of the moment, that's exciting to me. But it's catching up. It's different, but it's catching up, I think. Okay. They just announced for this season of USA that they're freezing all Instagram accounts. It seems like the UK had been doing that.

Well, the USA is doing that. Because last season, I don't know how much you were following, like, cast in their social accounts. But, like, very quickly, the plan was for the, they would go in and they would, like, designate their best friend, quote unquote, best friend or someone they thought could, it was like a, hopefully you're my best friend, but I know you're really good at social media. Yeah. And then that turned into someone really good at social media and it felt like less of their best friend because it felt like a lot of self promoting for the, like we were getting to

know these people's friends who were managing the account. It became this kind of very weird social experiment. And then yeah. And then you're like getting to know quote unquote these people. outside of the villa and people are speaking on their behalf and causing drama and fighting with fans. It was just a whole mess. And it's already like as difficult it is for these cast members,

like going on a reality TV show is one thing, becoming like an overnight like sensation or villain or whatever it is. But like for them, most reality TV stars have this like period. It's like you know, Susie, you know on The Bachelor, you film it, that's always crazy. Filming these reality TV shows, it's tough on your mentals, right? And then, but at least you leave the bubble and you go back to your family and it's like this quiet time usually.

You can kind of go back to your roots. No one really knows who you are. And then there's the whole airing of the season, which is its own monster. But at least you've been kind of prepared. Well, the Love Island people, it's all one. It is the most, like, insane thing to me that these people go from intense experience of filming to, like, having the whole world have these incredibly strong opinions of them. So I'm just glad that they're doing whatever they can do to at least alleviate that because it was never a good thing to have your friends or you're like someone you knew for a couple months, manage your social media. Well, it's also like you're mad at them one episode and people go and comment, you know, terrible things.

And then by the time they leave the villa, they're like, oh, wait, actually, we love you. But we did comment some bad things under those photos to just disregard all that. Now no one can do anything. Yeah. Now it's just anonymous. There's a very young audience. And I think sometimes you're looking online and you're responding to people and you're like, they probably are 15 years old. It reminds me of like, I just think of like when you're saying 15, I think about like Love Island is like so specifically. The colors and stuff and all of the stuff is like made for middle school. Pop girlies.

And then it's just like so so horny. But then you have these kids just commenting online. And I'm just thinking of like if I had Love Island when I was like 13. I also would have been like freaking out and crashing out online. I had bad girls club. I had, you know, love and hip hop. But like I also didn't have social media to where I could go. But I definitely was watching things at a way too young of age that I should have been. It still reminds me of the story when I was on The Bachelor and I wouldn't block a lot of people. But I blocked some people.

And then like five years later, someone like sent me a tweet and said, Nick, can you unblock me in Instagram? I am sorry for calling you a blank, blank, blank, blank, blank. But in my defense, I was 12 at the time. And I was pretty funny. And it was a good honestly teaching moment for me because it's like you just really don't know who these people are. And here was this person like five, seven years later, you know, realizing that like, you know,

maybe we interviewed a guest that she liked or whatever. And then really she probably forgot I blocked her, you know, and then noticed I was blocked and then realized like why. Yeah. and kind of called herself out. But it was, it was like a very good moment for me to realize you just never really know who these people are. Triggered by a 12-year-old. Triggered by a 12-year-old.

No. Just be the name of my memoir. Speaking of memoirs, Anna, you got one. Oh, that was good. That was sort of there. I said that, right? I do. Tell us a little bit about the book, Anna, like, what was that experience writing it?

Oh, my God. It took me so long. It took four or five years. We were at the very end of editing Penn 15, the final. season and I, yeah, but I had a bunch of dramatic stuff happened that year in my personal life and, like, just wanted to write about it. And then it took me for, yeah, four to five years to, I don't want to do the exact math because it's too humbling. It might end up being six. But, yeah, it was, it was everything you think. It was, like, bizarre and a little lonely

writing in a room and for so long and also, like, really cathartic. And, um, it was, it was, it was, like, It's essentially about like a dysfunctional upbringing in the 90s on the East Coast and the me, the delusional girl trying to like keep my parents together and failing. And then also my relationship with my dad, which was very eventful. And he was my best friend when I was a kid and we were estranged for about five years in my 20s. So it sort of swings from funny to kind of brutal and raw. So yeah. I imagine writing it was somewhat almost therapeutic or was it like, did it feel like therapy a little bit since you went so kind of you leaned into the vulnerability and really explored, you know, like so much when I got in therapy was just unpacking childhood trauma and just kind of listening to you to describe the book. Yeah.

It seems like there's a lot there that you had to reflect on. Yeah. And in fact, my therapist said she was when I told her I was going to write it, she said, you know, that that's going to be very healing. I've had other clients write it. which was sort of intimidating and write memoirs. But it did end up being that. And, you know, when you're editing like a traumatic event for the 50th time, it's just, you know, it becomes more, you know, things. You have memories that live in the shadows.

And when you just keep looking at them and looking at them and looking at them, they just get less scary. And that is kind of that is kind of what happened. I think also coming off of Penn 15 and writing about middle school. in an authentic way was another form of therapy where like, you know, it was, has anyone done EMDR? N.DR therapy?

Yeah. Yeah, you know, where you're like, a picture yourself as a little kid and what you're scared and like older you is coming and the adult is saying like, you're well, I'm here for you, whatever. Penn was like a $13 million version of that

where we're writing ourselves as 13 and then in our 30s and then playing 13 year old. And so at the end of that whole thing, I was like, oh, my God, Hulu gave us like the most expensive therapy ever without realizing it. So it's all been surprisingly, because it feels masochistic in the moment, you know, but it's all been, I think I'm better for it, which is good. I feel like watching, like, I love Penn 15 so much because of like, I feel like that feeling is so transferable of like when you're watching it and you're just experiencing this like visceral

feeling of being like I wasn't a middle schooler in the 90s but it's like just that universal feeling of just that girlhood then and like with your friendships and it's great Have you guys ever met the person who said they had a blast in middle school? Yeah I don't know her

Yeah I don't know her either Was it horrible for everybody? Her name was Amanda Patula Honestly that would track Yeah Would it not? It's hard because it seems now uncool for an adult to be like, I actually had a good time because there's now this sort of

accepted. So it's hard to know. But it does feel like, you know, the people, I won't say their real names, but like, you know, the kids that you remember from middle school where you say both their first and last name because they were that cool. Or they're the biggest, you know, not cool. And then you also say their first and last name. But, you know, it seems like they're having the perfect time and that they're like the most well adjusted and, you know, all is well. And, you know, even they are like, the right thing wasn't growing at the right time. I am so curious because, like, in your book, you recall all these memories from your childhood, even like full conversations that you had.

How were you able to remember all of those? You just have an incredible memory bank? I think, like, I've realized through promoting Penn that that was unusual because mine and I would get asked a lot, like, you have journals because a lot of it was also, you know, I'd write a scene that was pitched in the writer's room and Maya would be like, this is not how it happened. He said this and she said this. And so we kind of discovered that we did. And I read an article like a few months ago about emotional memory. And it was these two sisters and they had lost a friend from high school who had passed away. They hadn't seen her in like over a decade. And one of the sisters was devastated and the other was like,

Well, I don't remember her that well. Like, it's not affecting me on that level. And anyway, they went into the neuroscience of emotional memory and how people would, like, really vivid emotional memory and more anxiety and depression. She's like, check. That would check out for me. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I'm like, that's not everybody, you know. So it's interesting. That is interesting. Good if you don't. And for all the dyslexic people out there have a hard time reading, is this something they can also? Is there a book on tape? Did you read it? Is it your voice? It is. And I went really, I loved books on tape as I, we called them.

I'm 39 when I was a kid. And I loved the narrators who would do all the voices. So the audiobook is a little unhinged because I'm doing. I love that. Good for you. I went hard. Yeah. That's awesome.

What's your favorite voice you did? I mean, it's going to make me sound insane. But like, I did my dad who was like down here. He spoke really deep. Oh, that's cool. I love that. You guys are like, uh-huh. No, that's fine. As someone who read their own book and who can't read well, I'm jealous of your not only ability, but confidence in doing that. I think it's really cool. And it definitely makes for a better listen. Yeah. I mean, it's a long time in a small dark room, you know? Yeah. And it makes for a better listen. It makes it more fun. And it's like something that I just didn't have the skill set when I did it. I was just trying to get through a little. sentence at a time. I mean, me too, by the way, but I was also trying to entertain myself and how many days did it take you to record? Too long. Yeah, same. Same. They kept adding extra

days. It's a lot of apologizing for the editor who was doing it with me where it was like five minutes I'll stuck on one sentence. I'm like, I promise you I'm not that bad at reading, but I'm just like, really my brain's really. I want to get it right. It's really nerve-wracking. It's very humbling. Yes, yes. It is. I concur. And is it out? Is it pre-order where? Are we in the, is it available for everyone to listen? It's out. It's out. Yeah. So go buy people. Go to your audible. Go to your anywhere you buy books. You guys know. On your Kindle. On your Kindle. I have a question though. Between that and Penn 15, do you have any other stories left in you? Like, is there more to come? Because I feel like you've really like, you've given us to your hall. You've given us a lot. And I'm like, is there more in there? Not much. Honestly, I'm like so tired of myself also.

And I'm like, why do I could have like just, you know, written this book as though it was fiction. You know, why did I have to bear it all? That's sort of been the thing that's occurred to me. Yeah, like, writers write about their real life all the time. But they don't say it's theirs. I'm like, okay, well, that will be that'll be next. I have to live more life before I write about my life anymore. I was about it. I was about like 70, you're also still so young. So at like 70, you can write another about the last few years and let us know how that's all been. Yeah. That's what's scary about, you know, writing a memoir before 40 is like every year that I, that's part of the reason it took so long because I, I was changing and my perspective on my father was changing and my perspective on what I was talking about and therapy was changing. So that is the intimidating thing of like when I'm 60, I'm probably going to like want to burn all the copies, you know. What do you hope readers like take from your book the same one? Well, memoirs are really important for me in realizing how many secrets I had in my family walls that I just felt like untellable and like I'd be burned at the stake, you know, this idea that like dysfunction is singular to one family and everyone else is not going through it. And reading David Sedaris and reading like Mary Carr and, you know, Jeanette Walls and Augustine Burroughs and all these memoirists that are like tragic and so funny was a revelation. for me. It was freedom. I was like, okay, not only are they okay because they went through, you know, a crazy time that they're being honest about, but they're also making it funny. And they're alive. And they wrote a fucking book. Like, that's so cool. So it was a real,

I think that's partly why we wrote Penn 15. It sort of started to be like, you know, carrying your own torch for yourself and your stories, whether they're shameful. And I found that I really like writing about shame. And it's sort of cyclical when, you know, people. people come up to you know, they're like, I thought I was alone in that. And the writer and me is like, I thought I was alone in that, you know? And so it's been a very cathartic, full circle thing. And I also have a dark sense of humor. And I like laughing at sad shit. So it's been a way to do that. Where does your fascination with shame come from? I'm, I was raised very Catholic. So shame was was very prevalent in my childhood. Yeah. Yeah. Well, like many generations

of my family are also Catholic. My mom was raised very Catholic and we moved from, we, I grew Unitarian, so very actively trying to push away shame and talk to spirit and everything's acceptable, non-denominational. But like, we moved to an Irish Catholic town in Massachusetts when I was pretty young. And like, yeah, my parents just fought all the time. Very funny people, characters, but like the veil of kind of perfection was around us and you show up every day, like, you know, everything's fine with a big smile while the tears, you know, just like wiping away the tears. And inside the house, my mom was like, you know, working three jobs and somehow having the energy

to like yell at my dad all night and he would leave. And I would be the sort of like parentified taking care of mom thing. And so it just sort of, and also when you grew up in a house where like any little thing can start a fight, like, you know, or you're always watching your parents, you're watching your own self. And so I think it created this narrative for me of like, I'm sort of bad. And I'm creating all this shit that's happening around me all the time. And it's my responsibility to fix it. And it took me till my 20s and to start sort of unpacking that when I fell in love for the first time. And. thought I had like left the baggage at home and then realized like oh no I have a fucked up relationship too you know and I'm this is all in me too and that was sort of yeah oh that actually left the house with me interesting relatable uh very relatable cheers I wonder do you think is I think about I also grew up my dad's a pastor so I grew up like very religious with like shame as an interesting thing. And I've, and in watching like, Summerhouse specific, like, I just think of it

in watching Bravo right now of like, I do think like the humor that you're talking about with like, that comes from that is so specific of that campiness and also people just being so vulnerable. And it's also, I mean, it makes me think of hacks, which like, you had a great role in hacks this season. Um, of just like the interconnectedness between like, shame. and also humor, which I think happened. Totally. On all of these shows, you know.

Yeah. I agree with that. Shame and humor really go hand in hand. But it's not everybody's taste, you know? Right. But like so many people with Penn have been like, I couldn't watch it. I can't watch. It makes me feel too uncomfortable.

But for me, comedy is like the comeback. Comedy is, you know, strangers with candy. Like, it goes hand in hand with like someone that's actually full of low self-esteem. and posing, like they're the opposite. That's my favorite thing. And I think that is part of why I love reality. Like, that's not throughout everybody, but the best characters and the best people that are the most vulnerable, like that ends up being threaded in there. And it's so exciting to me and sad.

But there you go. Yeah. That's so fair. Anna, what are your thoughts on the whole scandal? Like, you know, we are, we just got done with the reunion part one. We have two left. Give me your overall takes on the Scamanda scandal and where do you lot? What are the topics that are most fascinating to you in the layers that is Commanda?

It's intimidating to talk about this because it feels really important. But I love how you guys talk about things from a psychological standpoint because that's what I like to do. I mean, to say you're not Team Sierra would be wild. Like I don't think there's another team really. Like she's amazing. I was just at the Culture Awards. She looked incredible. She was in Mia.

They were, it was, it was, it was, they seemed like, just lovely. But I, so at first I was disheartened to see, like, how villainy Amanda and was coming through. Like, and the sort of just stoic, like, vitriol, kind of, if I'm being honest. That was, like, sort of emanating. And I had trouble getting that. I was surprised by that. And I'm surprised by like how, because what we know of her is to just speak vulnerably and to take accountability and almost be too apologetic. And so that was strange to me. But I'm doing a big Zoom out here. And it's reminding me of Doree and Kyle. And this is going real deep here. But I have a theory that these women have been humiliated on television by their male significant others for so long.

And then that breaks apart. And what's left is these women saying, like, I will not be embarrassed anymore. I will not be humiliated anymore. I found my voice. But it's then applied to each other, the two old friends. Yeah. Instead of this, like, bigger realization that, like, they're not the only enemy here. There's a, there's a bigger picture happening. And then the fans get behind just, I'm teaming here and I'm teams here. And it's like, let's look at the bigger picture. So that's my two sentence on the whole thing. that's really fascinating. And you mentioned fans too because like when it comes to reality TV people like talk about like high school or middle school. It's like being the friend, quote unquote friend, where you're like, I'm your friend and you go like, you know, so-and-so saying this about you. You try to convince, you know, your friend that everyone else hates them, that everyone else is talking shit because that makes you the best friend because they want to keep themselves engaged. Our brain prefers pain to boredom. And I'm always reminded of that. that. Yeah. That's interesting. Well, and it also, like, in terms of the middle school analogy,

because you're talking about something we spoke about a lot in creating the Becca character who's in every middle school, she's the popular girl who's kind of funny. But, like, maybe, like, it doesn't totally fit in in all the ways of the popular crowd, but does through instigating and going back and forth between groups and being like, I heard this, I heard this. And what's interesting is if we're like relating the audience to Becca, it's someone that's inserting themselves into the stories to be part of the stories. Yeah. So like the audience being like, or the super fan being like in their mind, like, I'm relevant to the story or I'm relevant. I'm on this show. I feel like is a part of it. What did you think, Anna, about Amanda saying that

the first time West and Amanda slept together was post statement? I don't, I don't buy it. That's such a bizarre, like, I was talking to a friend about this. He said it perfectly where he was like, so the conversation is, okay, we haven't slept together yet, but we're going to put this statement out in case we do. Let's take it so seriously that we're putting out a statement and then tomorrow we'll sleep together. It just doesn't make sense. It just doesn't, it doesn't quite make sense. And it also sounded a little planned. I forget what they said. There's something that they sort of spoke in tandem of like every something and it just, yeah, it seemed a little planned. Which wouldn't be the first time, right?

People are like zooming in on West's face whenever she answered that and it was clear that like maybe she went off script a little bit. His like eyes, eyebrows were furrowed and everyone's like, he did not know she was going to say that. Yeah. You know. Maybe it was like after the Super Bowl party or something or I don't know. I don't know.

Only if she was wearing a half bow and half pony. I haven't been able to stop thinking about the half bone, half pony that she was wearing at the reunion, you guys. Didn't she wear it again in Italy? She wore it in Italy. Yeah. What is that look? What is the deal? I'm not so mad at it. I'm just kind of cute. I just don't. I mean, I have space fun. I like it. I don't know. It's confusing. I get what you're saying. And I'm the last person to have an opinion on this because what do I know about women's hair? But it seems like a unique hairstyle to like really. To double down on. Like, yeah. To be. like to feature. Isn't it? Okay. It's been the block on. Maybe everyone hear me out.

Maybe here's what's going on. Maybe what Amanda is doing is subconsciously. She is feeling like she can't really like fully let herself be either the victim she wants to be or the villain everyone thinks she is. Her hearts and knots and therefore she's putting her. So it's like she has part of it as a bond and the other is still pony. Right? Right.

Because she's in the in between in this ambiguous gray area. And that is fashion. I wonder if we'll see a few more of those this summer. Anna, if you were a good friend of Amanda, what would you be trying to say to her in this period right now? I would say, take accountability and don't be surprised. Yeah. Like, she almost seemed taken aback by all the questions. Even if you're not lying about the timeline, your kind of like, like, this is unjust vibe is not called for.

Like you lied about stuff. This is, you betrayed some people's trust. So expect every question. Expect that people aren't going to trust your timeline. Expect that, you know, and I could get from one standpoint her feeling like, you know, there's been this insinuation all season that Kyle's been cheating on her for, you know, a lot, like in question, right? Of like, you know, the DM she's been getting and sleeping over a fan's house and whatever.

So when I try to put myself in her shoes, I'm like, maybe she's sitting there just seething that like she made one. mistake and he made all of these and she just sat in it and lived in it and he didn't get this sort of, you know, line of questioning. But I think even if that's what's going on, she needs to just like take it. You know, the first thing that Sierra said to her when Amanda was like, you know, I just want to like apologize to Sierra and Kyle. And she's like, oh, you can say our names. And you could tell that that pissed Amanda off. And it's like, if you would have just been like, yeah, you're right, I should have put your names in the statement. I'm so, sorry. Like I, that was my first, you know, I should have. But she acted like, how dare you call me

out for that? Like, almost like, as if she was, she was like suggesting that Sierra was being petty, but you literally didn't say her name. And that had to have been a choice because we know you know her name. And when you're making these statements, they're always like, you're talking to your team or a bunch of people who have a million ideas and they dissect everything for the sake of like inserting their opinion in the conversation. And even if it was chat, GPT, I feel like chat would even be like, I feel like, we probably should have said their name.

That's what Sierra said. Yeah. She said chat chbtee probably would have written that better. Well, and didn't they ask if PR, weren't they like, wasn't Andy like, well, did PR help you you or whatever? And it felt like the answer was like no. And I felt like West kind of looked to Amanda like

Amanda did it. Did you guys vibe with that? I think West said obviously We were recording an episode, and this was before the statement came out, and we ended up editing most of it out because it was us basically all thinking this was a bad April Fool's joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I read about that. And then like an hour later, I made, I was on the phone with some people to like, no, it's true. They're going to release a statement in a couple days and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I had heard that they hired a team together, which I thought was bizarre. That reminds me of them getting the dressing room together, which.

I thought was really bizarre. I actually can't stop thinking about that. And West being like, I'm just like really zen. I feel pretty good. Oh, are you? That's his stick. I will say they're over the weekend. You know, they're in Italy. We all kind of thought, oh, maybe they ran off for the reunion, you know, it's probably smart. And then every photo we saw they were just attached to their phones. Turns out they were there for a wedding, which, you know, definitely makes a little bit more sense. But the internet sleuths have found his Friends wedding website. Crazy.

And saw where it said the deadline to RSVP was, and that was February 1st. And they're saying the fact that he put his name and Amanda's name down before February 1st proves something. She might have not been the original. There's definitely gaps. Yeah. How do we know that? I think we just need to recognize that that's maybe a bridge too far. A million percent.

It's a bridge too far. far. Yeah. And to then post it and like these are just innocent bystanders. They're just people who like happen to maybe have like gone to high school with West or college with West. West does not strike me as someone who is prompt with the wedding RSVPs. He strikes me as a guy who shows up for a wedding that he didn't RSVP.

And I only said as someone who's done that in my single era. I didn't know like the only reason why I've ever RSVP to a wedding is because I had the benefit of a partner. I thought you were going to say dietary restrictions. That would work too, though. That would have worked too. Also, he wore the hair tie on Watch What Happens Live in March. So that would have been after February.

Yeah. So he was dating someone else. Whoa. Wait, is it for sure Amanda's name that was on this RSVP or is it just that he RSVPed A plus one? He put her name, which honestly, we don't know if it was him. He could have, like, texted his friends and been like, hey, I'm going to bring my, like, I'm going to bring my friend Amanda.

And they're like, okay, we got to like have the, name placement so like what's her last name and then they put it in you know he called her up and said yo i'm gonna bring amanda are you cool with it and it was either going to be an absolute hard yes i can't believe it like we want her here or it was gonna you know it could have been someone who like they also were constantly hanging out they were posting on instagram together they were clearly like what we all thought just really great friends so if he was like hey i'm gonna bring my friend amanda like if i'm like okay cool sure yeah bring your friend amanda I don't care. I'm not like assuming that there's going to be drama.

But it is crazy. We have to acknowledge that like if you remember from this year and West relationship, the wedding he brought Sierra to was at the center of that breakup. And like I was talking to a Bravo person last week and we were just having a fan discussion about like is this bigger or smaller or how does this compare to Scandible? I think Scandival will always be the biggest and it was obviously it's first. But like I think this one has more layers. if for no other reason that it's like still ongoing like Raquel and Tom that like that seemed to stop and people were I seem to be able to like get into

Raquel's head and you know it seems to be like there was conflict in that relationship but Amanda and West are truly leaning in they're out there posting they are going to weddings you know in the face of Sierra there's a part of me I know I don't know if we're going to see in this next episode or episode three where we've seen the the clip of Sierra saying he's only doing it to spite me.

And I got to say, the way they are moving, I don't know. I, as a friend, hope that Sierra doesn't care about that. And I hope that she doesn't. I hope that like, because like that just keeps her stuck. But they are moving.

Like they are trying to, like, like they have something against Sierra in a bizarre way. I'm not saying they do, but it's so like, you couldn't have sat this wedding out. They're being a bit Machiavelli. in with it's like you you definitely did she definitely didn't have to go to this wedding whoever took a

video of them through a window being intimate it's too much like like there should honestly be laws that protect people from that I know aren't there the rules on like stalking and watching and stuff like that I'm like somebody has to physically like internet like taking your house I am pretty sure that if if there's a perception of privacy like inside your home that you have a right to privacy If you're doing something, for example, in public, if you're out at a restaurant and making out, you can't assume that you can't be videoed because you're in public. Or a baseball game. Or a baseball game. But if you are in your apartment, you have a perceived right of privacy, I am pretty sure.

But is there, like, protection against it? Like, then what? Well, I mean, you know, to your point, who filmed it? Who were they? You know, like, you know, the question is, is, like, how much effort do West and Amanda want to put towards holding someone accountable that they may or may not be able to try? track, you know, like, yeah, there's... It's like the person who's living in West Building being like, yeah, I keep seeing like Amanda over and they're kissing in the hall or whatever this person said.

It's like, you gotta feel like that feels wrong when you say that publicly. Yeah. And also, that could just be totally fake. That's the thing is like, that is just like truly hearsay. The video... That's just New York gossip, baby. Right, exactly. But it does feel like it's just too much.

It's too much. Kyle says he's going to find his voice in the part two or part three. but I think we also just have to reiterate just like how great part one was and I think I say this because like at every you know obviously you know you're a fan you've seen these so many reunions but reunions are hard all these cast people come in with like a goal

or a plan you know they certainly want to you know have their story or their point of view be the one that's best received and it's very difficult to do and we've seen and I thought that was so great about specifically Sierra but obviously like me as well and Kyle, the three of them. And we said as much last week. But like usually when they're in, when you're in Sierra, Mia's position,

there's always the risk that you overplay your hand, right? Because Sierra knows that she has the weight of bravo behind her, right? Everyone, like you said, if you're not Team Sierra, who are you? But it's easy to kind of overplay your hand. And what was so amazing about how they showed up for part one and we'll see how the rest goes, is that they weren't. They didn't overplay their hand. They had those quick, snappy things, you know,

and it all made sense. You know, because the truth is, honestly, a more boring version of what Sierra said to Amanda was, like, maybe Amanda and West are just more compatible. Everything Sierra and Mia and Lindsay, like honestly, everyone who said anything against Amanda and West, everything they said was so... True.

Yes, it was true, but also like quotable. It was so just, like, Sierra being like, I mean, I'll figure out the details before I bury him with dirt. Like, chef's kiss, you know, like, are you just, you left, we know your marriage wasn't great, but now you're just one of West Side bitches, so great. Yeah. I just never thought that Amanda would be more defensive and seemed to be more obtuse than Tom Sandoval was at the reunion for Scandival. Like, that's the biggest shocker for me. that like Tom was actually a little bit more apologetic. And like at least, you know, Tom was more like, I know I fucked up and he was angry about

it, but like you don't under, you know, and Amanda's more like. I literally never did that, you guys. Like, I don't know what you're talking about. And it's crazy. God forbid I just want to spend some time on myself. I just, I really, I did not expect that. Like you said, Anna, I thought she would just say what she needed to say whether she believed it or not.

because the most logical explanation is that she's never been as close to Sierra as they led us to believe. But really, who cares? Because you, as a reality TV star, you should know that, like, even if everything isn't real, real, like, that's what the audience believes and this is your job. So why are all of a sudden you trying to almost gaslight the audience in a way that you haven't explained yourself? And it kind of makes no sense. That's the only logical explanation. And even if, but it doesn't really matter because clearly Sierra thought you were good friends, as evident by the finale. episode were like that moment. So like that almost feels ickier that you made someone believe that you were

better friends with them and maybe you were more like a co-worker-esque with them. But that just makes you even more disingenuous if that's the truth. I totally agree with all that. I am also thinking, and this is like a little controversial, but there's also this thing, you know, and maybe it's the actor

or the writer in me that's like always like interested in the psychology of the villain. But like, you know, there is, I saw an Instagram thing pop up a few weeks ago where Kyle was like, you guys, thank you so much. You've saved lover boy. Like it's, it's like all these fans, you know, that are like anti Amanda are like buying his drink now, you know? And it just felt like it's just this black and white thinking back to therapy that like I've worked very hard to get out of that's so obvious through, you know, these moments and reunions where it all. comes up again where it's like, and now there's like this pro-Kyle thing. And it's like, it's very easy to see him like that. He was very like lovely during the reunion. And I was like, oh, Kyle, he's so sweet. And then I'm trying to remind myself like he was kind of like, to some extent, a really shitty husband and could be like really out of line. Even this season, we saw that. And so I don't know. It's not uncommon to see in the zoom out of Bravo and reality of like someone's life falling

apart, a divorce, being vilified by the whole internet, and showing up like an asshole to the reunions, I guess is my point. Yeah. And so I don't think we can forget, like, that they're, that, you know, I don't know, I don't want Kyle to get a pass. And yet, I also want to say that, like, he is, it's really shitty what happened to him too. And it's like not really being talked about as much as Sierra. I don't know. Yeah, I see what everything you're saying. I definitely, I think there's more to Kyle than we realize. I do think he's been kind of having Amanda's back in ways I don't think we've fully heard about.

Oh, okay. Okay. But I do hope that in part two or in part three, he is, you know, asked questions about the way that he behaved this season in the things that he said and he answers to them. Like, I do think that still needs to be addressed even though this horrible thing has happened.

And that's a good point. that I'm forgetting there are other parts. You know what I mean? I think that was, yeah, good point. I know you have to get going. I mean, I don't love Ireland. Everyone's hot. I don't.

Is there any big fun takeaways from their bios that we are, we have a, we have a sibling. We have Charlie's brother. Charlie's brother. Wait, which is Charlie's brother? Zach. Yeah. The one who kind of looks like Charlie.

Which was interesting because like the women didn't seem to like really be into Charlie. I never understood that. So many people are into that guy's brother though in general. So you think Zach has the swag Maybe Charlie didn't or something? No, but what I'm saying is sometimes

when there's like a guy and he has a brother, you're like, oh, there's a brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe that could be this guy. That is one thing. I don't understand. Why was nobody into Charlie?

He seems like such a nice kid. True. We met him on the streets outside of Larchmont. Because we interviewed him on the show but it was remote. And then Natalie and I ran into him. What a beautiful thing to have to have.

He was his lovely and his good looking in person. I don't understand it. And the accents. The women did not, they were not into him. I don't get it. Anna, what would be, what are your top three hopes for the season of Love Island? That's a great question. I mean, I just learned, so you're saying, sorry, I'm playing ketchup.

So you're saying that Charlie's brother is going to be on this season. Yeah, he's part of the original cast. He's not even a bombshell. It'd be cool if he was on and then Charlie came back. Ooh, bring him in. Brother. Yes. Brothers.

Brothers fighting. Have we ever had siblings on Love Island? Step bro. Now that's a love triangle I want to see. Yeah, I want to see that. Charlie's father as well. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, is he good looking.

Bring him in. I was going to say challengers, but actually, wait, notice. I bet their dad's hot. Both. I bet their dad is hot. I want to see a picture of Daddy. Could you get Daddy's on Love Island? Yeah, can we do Golden Island?

Golden Island. Love Island, Golden Style. Love Island, parentheses, He's Golden Corral. And Golden Corral. I'm down. Yeah. Put me in for a producer role.

I'd love to be part. A broken hip has entered the villa. Yeah. We do have Sean, who's a police officer and a proud father to a son. Cute. We got a dad. Great smile, too. Great smile.

You know, sincere is a track and field athlete, and he says he's cheesy and a chaser. Same. We'll see how well that does for him in the villa. You know what? These are just photos. I look forward to getting to know them tonight as they air. Anna, before we let you go, Rhode Island, are you as excited and is into it as much as everyone else? How are you feeling about Rhode Island?

Excellent. I'm loving it. It's the recent episode reminded me of, like, family fights in the car and then sitting at dinner and, like, wiping away tears while, like, you hope your mom stops being angry. When Liz pulled her hair. Oh. Oh my gosh. That was insane. I wouldn't trust you were on a baby.

It's just crazy. No, but just like Anna, just like you said, it was a fight that clearly these women were passionate. If you, like, walked into the scene not knowing what they were fighting about, you could have only imagined what the topic was. But it reminded me of when I was an adult.

And when I was in my mid to late 20s, me and my guy friends had a, group of men who got together and had Madden tournaments and we would draft our players and we would get into it and it reminded me of this fight I had with my roommate at the time and we were like literally

screaming at each other and I got defensive and he said something about me and I felt he was coming from my character and it was literally over the dumbest fucking shit and then watching this show it just reminds me what is so relatable about like how when it comes to our close friends or family or siblings

the level of intense we can get over when you remember it back being like the dumb like the fact they are our joe ellen and liz are arguing over some just like random statement the leisha said that really has and somehow some way someone said something where they are both feel like their characters being attacked and it just reminded me of this fight ahead with my roommate over madden uh which is like so relatable in the best possible way like we were just screaming at each other over nothing oh yeah i've I definitely, and then like Alicia silently crying and like trying to stop. It just felt very real.

Yeah. Just get her a crocker. Get her a cracker. Get her a cracker. Get her a cracker. Also Alicia seems like great. I love Alicia TikTok. When her friend was like, her family was like, you got her perfect life and she was

quick to be like, no, I don't. There's no perfect life. It may seem that way. I was like, oh, I love that. The other week her pitching pizza mama and she had her little son. glasses on and she had her she had her expo board up like she was making a second grade presentation and it was the best what's crazy is we had liz on a few weeks ago i think it was around the time that we it was the like um castle episode or something anyways and she was like we're like

we love you you're so great on the show and she was like i don't know like it might change she was like you're not gonna like me in a couple episodes she knows she literally knew and we're like No, there's no way. And sure enough, watching this episode, I'm like, this was the craziest pulling her hair, kicking her chair, and then she goes to meet up with her to apologize. Well, to hear Joelle's apology. And she's like, the fact that she's going to say that I pulled her hair, I'm done. I'm like, babe, the replay.

Yeah. They, like, flashed back. And it was sneaky. This is like, I don't want to put this on her, but like, it reminds me as like an old lady that, like, pinches a baby to make him cry. It just gave me that vibe where you're like, why is it maybe crying all of a sudden? I think the great thing about Rhode Island is that it's like they're fighting and I'm like, I'm not worried about any of these girls. Sometimes you watch one housewife take on another and you're like, she is severely emotionally

unquipped for this. But you watch all, except for maybe Ashley, but even Ashley is like doing a good job and doing her darndest. And they're not like actively coming for her yet. So she's okay. But to watch them just like go at each other knowing the. The other one can probably handle it, hopefully, is great. And during all of this, you just have Rich singing Frank Sinatra.

Yeah. It was just like. Fly me to the moon. It was way too much. You couldn't script that. No, you couldn't. Can I ask a dorky question? Yeah, please.

Ashley, going from one franchise to another, I would think it's got to be jarring. And like how she's approaching the season is really neat. It's kind of like refreshing of just seeing her be like, guys don't fight and like she just is coming up across very like wholesome in a way that's kind of exciting but I also wonder what that's got to be like because it's just got to be a very different engine narrative engine right well actually you know they're dear friends of mine some of my closest friends and I remember when she got casted like she didn't tell me about it like and obviously we cover a lot of bravo and and I've become just very familiar with the differences

of what it's expected of its cast. So I was a little like, wow, like you're doing this. Like, that's crazy. And then she was like, man, filming was great. I love these women. And she had such a like a positive experience. But Ashley and Jared are special in a way that they really are just kind and wonderful people.

And I think it's just like, and I think with the women we've talked to on this cast, I think they've echoed as much. And I think it's just kind of like hard to go after people who truly like when you when you sit down with them and you talk with them just like it's not it's not fun fighting with someone who's just at their core not confrontational not you know not you know just they're this kind they're like Jared is just the most affable wonderful kind person. And so is Ashley Ashley just like sometimes cries a little bit. But like they're just they're good people. I hope that stays consistent. in the next year. I hope that like, it's not like, oh, well, it's second season. It's your turn. But they've been a great addition and it's been fun to watch them. Well, they have like a real knack. It's like sometimes if you're coming across wholesome and kind, the audience will see it as a lack of vulnerability. But I think what's unique about Ashley and then their relationship is like it does feel really genuine. And the fact that she is a motive,

I think is just like going to make people feel more connected to her. You know what I mean? They, there have been, I mean, I've really enjoyed watching them. And she's really authentic that way. And it's also just kind of interesting because like, you know, now that like the influencer space is something that like is more and more prevalent and we see it. But like we're, it's still like,

I think there's a lot of fascination the same way there's fascination with actors like what's your life really like. And I think influencers are very guarded about like what that reality is. And like I thought it was fun to see Ashley like do an Instagram ad. Totally. I agree.

And kind of give like just like, I don't know. Just like the silliness behind it but also the realism behind it. And I also think it's fascinating that this cast of women, I don't know what their actual finances look like, but they present as very financially secure. And Ashley and Jared seem to be doing, you know, relative to the average person just fine, but compared to their peers. It's like you have Ashley, who is the most famous, has the largest following count, but relative to her peers seems to live the most modestly. And that's kind of his fascination. It's very fascinating how they move within that group because, like, they're both, they have.

a reason to be cocky and almost like arrogant and yet they're the most humble on the cast which is kind of interesting totally and also from Ashley at least outside of that Rhode Island like bubble that's true yeah she's like an outsider well actually like you know over a million like her cast has just started so you look at their other peers and they got like you know 50,000 60 thousand ash is like at one point whatever million and and yet when you watch it back she seems like the new person she seems like the person who isn't famous in a kind of an ironic fun way. Cool. Thanks for letting me ask. No, anytime. Any other questions, comments? Anything you, anything you want to digest before we

let you go? This has been so much fun, Anna. You got to have to come back. This has been a real treat for me. I've been studying for about a decade and to talk about it. And on a psychological level has been really an honor. So thank you for having me. Any, and as far as the reunion part two or three, if blank doesn't happen, you'll be really disappointed. I mean, if Jesse doesn't get more schooled on if he knew or not and if something, the timeline, like, that will be disappointing because I remember they sort of started to go there. And I want to say he was like taking out evidence or something. And then I think they got interrupted and he kind of like put it away. Yeah. You know, and I feel for the friends of people doing something scandalous because, you know, that's a hard position to be in. But I selfishly would like to know more about that. I'm curious about KJ and his relationship. Oh, him and Dara. Yeah.

On following each other. Didn't he drop a music video today with her? That was before. Oh. Right? No. The music video was like three days. The middle of it.

KJ. KJ. I saw it this morning. And Dara's in it. They're playing Twister together. Oh. Yeah. How does Jesse feel about KJ?

Are they both musicians now? Well, Jesse is a bit more a la. Real House was a Rhode Island crooner. Right? He's doing the more Franks and Autra stuff. KJ seems a bit more in the hip-hop. Can I say I'm missing some of the summer house cast in the city. Like who?

Who do you want? Are you watching in the city? Yeah, love in the city. Wait, who are you wanting to see in the city? I don't know, all of them. I'm just kind of like, well, where are they? I'm just wondering where they are and what they're doing. Right.

They're also in the city. Like, bring them on. Also like, Paige. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't know what page is up to and what she thinks about all this. I would love to see Hannah Burner. again personally.

Yeah. Controversial. Anna, this has been so much fun. Thank you for coming. Thanks for having me. Where can people find you? Obviously, you have your memoir. Yes.

Everyone, go check out Anna. We're going to put the link in our show description for anyone who's interested in purchasing or listening to Anna's book. Go just go to our show description, click on it. Easy find there. Anything else for people to follow and enjoy that you're doing, Anna? Thank you for having me. I've had the best time.

My Instagram, I just started. I started a substack, which Nick did you too. Am I? I did also just started a substack, yeah. Susstack twins. No, I actually read not to divert, but I read, yeah, I saw your post about it and I'm very excited about the psychology behind it. Can we do things together on substack or something? Are there ways we can do?

I would love it. I don't know how that works. There's a real overlap between reality and middle school, I think, and the psychology of it and my theory that were all kind of behaving. socially from a middle school space at all times. Yeah, yeah. And any level, not just in reality, that reality is like the projection of it that we watch. Anyway, I digress.

As always. So no, that's it. And yeah, watch hacks and all that. So thanks for having me. Anna Conkel, everybody. Woo! Thank you so much for coming. Thank you.

Bye. Bye. So much fun. What a way. She's awesome. Guys, I cannot begin. If you are not caught up on hacks, get caught up because Anna Conkle is in this one episode this season where she plays like a coordinator. And all I'm saying, she's so funny in it.

The physical comedy that this girl is doing in that episode is so good. All right. Well, we have Taylor Ann Green joining us. She popped off on Instagram last week and gave us a little update on her relationship that sadly is no more. Or maybe it's a great thing. Maybe she's thriving happy and enjoying her best life. But we certainly have some questions for Taylor because some of the streets are saying

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Good morning to you guys. Yeah. Good morning. Good afternoon to you. Sounds like River. Thank you. Yeah. Taylor, it's always great to catch up with you.

But we couldn't help but notice that you were active online last week and discussing your past relationship with your former boyfriend, guest on. And we were joking before you came on that, you know what? No one likes a guest on. We haven't liked him since 19. I didn't learn my lesson as a child. Right. You know? Does he also eat 13 dozen eggs or whatever it was?

He's scared of eggs, but I think that that's just him hiding. Who he really is. Well, Taylor, the floor is yours. Give us the tea. First of all, just like walk us through what happened. How long had you, have y'all been together? Had you all been together? We were together for almost three years.

So like two years, eight months. Wow. Well, first of all, how's your heart? I mean, all drama aside, that's, that cannot, this cannot be fun to be, to, to obviously, like, have some of your life. Obviously, I'm sure it was a very serious relationship. I'm sure you guys talked a lot about your future. And it's never fun to feel betrayed by someone you invested so much in. So first off, how are you doing, seriously?

Yeah. Thank you. Again, I feel like I always say this. My heart is still beating. I'm still alive and well. And honestly, I feel a sense of relief. Wow. I feel very at peace and good with my decision of walking away.

Okay. Did you spend a lot of time and energy in the relationship, like wondering if something was going on? Or was this all a total shock to you? This was all a very big shock just because our relationship was so. focused around loyalty. And it feels like any time that my ex had the chance to bring up, like loyalty, respect, trust, honesty, that was what he drilled into our relationship. And coming out of a relationship where I was cheated on and there wasn't loyalty, I valued loyalty the most. And I kind of ignored all the other red flags and just honed in and

said, all right, well, you know, at least he's not cheating on me. At least he's not going behind my back. At least he's not doing something that's going to disrespect our relationship. And then I found out that he was doing quite the opposite. How did you find out? So I don't know when this all started. My speculation is it allegedly began in October, the end of October, once I started to find out more information. But weirdly enough, I was in church and I was just, I mean, Gaston and I have been talking a lot about our next steps in our relationship, marriage, all of those things. And I felt like we were just at this time where I'm going, okay, is this going to be the guy that has been the rest of my life with? Like, make it known

if this is not my person. And within an hour, which this is something I never do, I went to go look into my DMs. And there was a DM from a burner account that from a while ago, um, had told me back in February that they saw my ex getting into his black Tesla with another girl on the night of Valentine's. Um, but they said, we thought that you, I thought that you were broken up with him, but I see that you just posted him on your story. So I just wanted to let you know that that's what I saw.

And I hope that when you ask him about it, he will be honest. Wow. So I then call him because I was not with him. And I just said, hey, you have one chance to tell me the truth. Because if I find out that you're lying, we're going to have a really big problem. And we had a whole conversation of this is. just not true. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what this person's talking about. I went home that night. And this was when I was up in New York, so I was not in town on Valentine's Day.

Now, my dumbest is like over there. I literally tried on a wedding ring at Tiffany's and I sent it to him. And I was like, by the way, my ring size is this. Oh, my gosh. Like, oh, hope you're having fun tonight on Valentine's. Like, what are you up to? He said he was out. to dinner with one of his buddies. And then I didn't hear from him after 10 o'clock. And so I said, I went back to our text messages from that night. I didn't hear from you past 10 p.m. And then you texted me at 9 the next morning saying that you got home and you passed out, whatever. I didn't think anything of it just because I trust my partner. So we have that conversation when I talk about this DM that I got. And he's saying that, you know, it's just

not true. If this person knows the girl and she's going to speak up, like, has she spoken up yet? And I'm saying no. But I want you to know that I'm going to trust you. This is a burner account coming to me. So I don't know if it's someone just trying to ruin our relationship because it feels like there's a lot of people out there who were trying to do that. And I ultimately trusted him. And then fast forward the next week, it's now circulating amongst our friend group. I actually had Naomi call me, and she's telling me that she's heard this and she's trying to figure out where it's coming from, finding more information for me. But ultimately, she said, I think it's just a rumor. And then the next week, it's still getting brought up.

Then there's more and more information that's getting brought out. like, oh, there's a text message going around of a girl saying that she went home with him that night. And people are just talking about it to, like, to every extent. So I still am like trying to trust my partner and say, I feel like this has been going on for three weeks now straight. And there's rumors that are still circulating. Charleston is very small. Like, I need to figure out where this is coming from. But ultimately, I still want to trust you.

And we were in like a pretty big fight, but looking back at her all, I'm going, oh my gosh, the way that he was speaking to me, knowing that he had done something was like the scariest part of all of this because he was able to look me in the face and tell me that it did nothing happened and that like he loves and values our relationship and all those things. So I just continue to try to trust him. Fast forward a couple more weeks, we end up breaking up, not due to the allegations, just fundamental differences that we had. Was that your choice?

That was my decision. Yeah, we had gotten into a silly argument and I just said, I don't really, I don't like the way that you speak to me. I don't feel like you speak to me the way that you should speak to someone that you love. And I don't know if I can do this anymore. So I walked away and I got all my stuff out of the house. and I was just like, be strong in this. Like, you can't go back, you can't go back.

But I was pretty torn. My heart was in shambles. And I feel like that time away from him kind of gave me the clarity to dig a little bit deeper into this rumor in which I found out the name of the girl and ended up messaging her. And her stories weren't lining up with his. I didn't know that he was out to dinner with some women that night. Valentine's Day night. On Valentine's Day night. Yeah.

He told me that he was out to dinner with just one of his guy friends. Like this is Charleston, right? Like, this is a small... It's so bold. Very small town. Very bold. And that was part of his story was, do you think that I would be that stupid to take a girl out

or go home with a girl on King Street? Yeah. And so I'm going, yeah, that is really dumb. Like, it's a small town. Of course, people would see you. And people did. That's gaslighting. Her story wasn't lining up.

I never talked to him about this girl, but my friend had. And she said, do we even know this person? And he said, I mean, yeah, she runs in the same circles as, like, one of our mutual friends. But then she comes to tell me that, oh, she's been on a few dates with him and years past. And they DM occasionally about the Knicks. And so I was like, well, that in itself, why are you DMing a girl that I don't know about a basketball team? If that was me and I was DMing some guy, he would lose his mind, lose his mind. So I said that in itself about you DMing some girl that I don't know.

Like, that's, okay, you guys are friends, but you went on a few dates with her. So clearly there was intention there at some point. And now her name's getting brought back up. I've never heard of this girl before. I've never heard of her friend group before. So I'm going, right, well, you at least found some girl that I'm never going to question because I don't even know who she is. I then find out that she lives part-time in New York, part-time in Charleston.

And that's when it clicked to me that I said, this has been going on since October. Because there was a time that he went up to New York and was extremely sketchy. wasn't speaking to me the whole night after the game. I had asked him what he was up to, and he said that he went back to the hotel room to use the bathroom. After he didn't respond to me for an hour and a half. Wow. I then just said, all right, well, I'm going to bed.

It doesn't make me feel good that I haven't really been hearing from you. And then the next morning, he missed his flight. So I just put this all together. And I'm like, I don't have a hundred percent proof, but this laundry list is like giving me enough. So he's still denying? He's still denying it to this day. And what about the woman? Have you reached out to her and had a conversation?

I did. And when I straight up asked her, she got to the point where she said, I'm confused with what you're asking. And I said, I'm asking about the time that you went home with guest, Dawn, on February 14th, 2026. Do I need to be any more specific? Yeah. And she stopped responding. Screenshot all of our DMs, sent them to my ex. So, you know, we love a little kiki moment where they're just chit-chatting about my

DMs between, like, what's going on. My DMs between her, what's going on there. I don't know if they're trying to get their story straight or what. But at this point, I'm going, everything is out there that I need to know. You know, and I said, you failed to mention that you were. out to dinner with girls on Valentine's Day night. You failed to mention that you even knew this girl, that you took her on a few dates. You know, he's going back on that. Oh, I did say that. You just weren't listening. I said, you didn't say that because I never even asked you about her.

This is the first time I've heard her name. So I'm asking about it now. And he's just responding. This is all via text, by the way. After we'd broken up and we hadn't spoken for almost a week, he had texted me and said that I'd appreciate you if you didn't. reach out to my mom and tell her that you still love me and, you know, make these allegations that I've been cheating on you. I was like, I have enough proof. And he's, he's going, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, laughing in my face saying, you don't have any proof. No, I'm sorry. This is hurtful. I feel like very remorseful about all of this. We basically ended our almost through your relationship via text. So have you seen him in person since all of this?

I have not seen him in person. Wow. Wow. I honestly don't really want to, you know? Yeah. I feel like, I feel very betrayed because of how much he drilled in, like, honesty, loyalty, respect, and how he, like, almost degraded me and my past relationship. And he'd always say, oh, well, you know, you were with this guy that would run around town and cheat on you. That's all he did.

It was cheat on you, cheat on you, cheat on you. And that was very hurtful because, you know, I'm like, I know I understand that. And now I'm with a guy who isn't doing that. And I love and I respect you and I respect our relationship. And I appreciate where we are in our relationship. And it's like every single time that he would bring it up, I just was so confused. Like, why are you still talking about this? We haven't dated in four years.

Yeah. Why are you still bringing that up? You're talking about chef? And now it's just like making sense. Yeah. Yeah. Was he bringing that up in a way to be like, look at all that I do for you. Like, I don't do this.

Like, I'm so great. So would it be like when you're addressing something with him where you're like, hey, I don't appreciate either how you talk to me or how you handle this argument? And then he's like throwing that in your face as a like, well, look, I don't do this. It's like it's like needing an applause for the bare minimum. Yeah. Every single time. Wow.

Susie, every single, every single time that we had any argument, he would bring. up my ex, Shep, and be like, well, you know, blah, blah, blah. Speaking of Shep, have you spoken with Shep since you've been single? I have, and I have seen the rumors that we're like getting back together or hooking up

again or whatever. And that is not true. Even if I wanted to hook up with Shep again or get back together, one, I would hope I have a little bit more respect for myself to go from one cheating X to the other. But

Shep is a very logical human being and he's not the type of person to be like, yeah, let's do it. Let's get back together. Right. He would inevitably say no. I don't think that that's the right thing to do. He cares about me as a human being and has always cared about me very deeply. And even in my time of, you know, kind of throwing him under the bus and giving him a lot of shit, he's always been there for me. And he's just had a very big.

a very big heart for myself for me and my family, which is big for me. That's important, especially when it comes to my family. So I did reach out to him after the breakup. And he was, I mean, he was kind of beside himself, honestly. He was like, I cannot believe that you are sitting right here in front of me. I cannot believe that you reached out. I just, I care about you. I think about you all the time. I think about your family. I think about your brother, there's so many times I want to reach out to you, but I feel like I just couldn't because your ex was like holding you hostage, which I felt like he was to an extent. I felt very isolated from my friends and definitely people on the cast. I'm curious. I mean, and I get it because I'm

sure you want to be careful with how you say things, especially when talking about Shep. You know, because like you said, I think there's a lot of like, despite what happened between you guys, a lot of mutual love and respect and consideration for each other. Do you find like comfort in his companionship in a way that almost feels, I know, confusing sometimes, even though like, like you said, logically, you guys probably know that it's not best for you guys get back together. But is there comfort in having him there for you in this time in a way that almost feels like maybe you shouldn't find comfort in it? I wouldn't say find comfort. I definitely feel safe when it comes to my relationship with Shep just because it feels very easy.

And I know that he, I mean, even if it doesn't like air or whatever, he's always had my back and he's always tried to stick up for me. So I feel very safe with him in that sense that he's kind of always been the person to help me navigate when it came to the show. you try to help me navigate, like, what to say or how to respond to people with whatever they're saying to me. And I went through the ringer big time for two years. So I felt like he was trying to stick up from me in so many different ways. And I do feel like a sense of safety when it comes to that.

And just, like, my outwardly, I guess just like who I am as a, like, publicly. I feel like he's someone who has always had my back. So I think that I'd find comfort in that, but not in like any kind of romantic way. Yeah. It sounds weird. This is going to sound so weird to say. But like he really, he reminds me so much of my brother. And that was something that was huge with my family going, oh, my gosh, chef is exactly like your brother.

And this is going to sound so weird. But like, I look up to him as someone who's going to like stick up for me and have my back. Yeah. I don't think. I get what you're saying that it sounds where, but I also understand what you're saying. And it just sounds like despite whatever flaws that might have as a partner, it sounds like he's a pretty great friend and does want to take care of his people. And while maybe you guys weren't good romantic partners, it makes a lot of sense that he's good at showing up the way he does in a way that makes you appreciate still having him in your life. Yeah. Absolutely. Did you see Sally's, video, what was your reaction to that? I did see that. And my initial thought was, please don't make this about yourself. You know, you did not date him. You did not spend an extensive amount of time with him. We can agree that sure, he's a cheater. But it just felt very like, there's a reason why I didn't reach out to her when things all happened. I reached out to some of

his exes to get the story, the real story of what happened from them. And their story was lining up with exactly how he treated me in our relationship. So I'm talking to women who have spent multiple years with him. Someone from like college, his most recent one before moving to Charleston, one of his college best friends who, you know, they all dated in the same circle. I had some women reach out to me and then I reached out to the most recent one just to kind of understand because I'm saying if this isn't true, if this is not who he is, then I feel bad that I'm, you know, even thinking this way. But she confirmed like, this is who he is as a person. He will try. Her experience was I felt manipulated, isolated, and gaslit when I found out

that he was cheating on me. and I called him out, and he made me feel like a crazy person for even thinking that he was capable of that. And I just said, to a T, that's how I feel. Wow. So she said, I don't know y'all's relationship, but if this is what you're experiencing, this is 100% his M-O because he did it to the girl before her. So your video on Instagram where you were like when the girl that he didn't cheat on you

with ties up next to you or whatever, was that her? Was that not her? That is the alleged woman that was involved or has been involved since October. So she's Mrs. Valentine's? This is Miss Valentine's. Okay. Yeah, that is the alleged girl 100% she was back in town for the weekend. Surprisingly enough on his birthday weekend.

I'm going, hmm. Interesting. I wonder why you're here. Good timing. Interesting. Good timing. But yeah, I, again, this is not. It's just, I mean, this is like, yeah, an ask Nick moment.

Like, if you got all this information and then the only information that's saying that he didn't cheat is him saying I didn't cheat, there's no proof that he didn't do it. And that's where I was saying to him, I'm going, you, I have a laundry list of proof that gives me evidence to say that you did this. and you're just giving me your words from your mouth saying that you didn't. And saying ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And text. Yeah. And saying ha ha ha ha. Yeah. Anybody that dates you for three years, my personal opinion, the dates you for three years and you guys break up, you go your own way.

If you confront that person with a cheating situation, a super painful loyalty situation and their reply back is ha ha ha. Like, no more confirmation needed. that person is so self-centered and unaware and doesn't care about their partner or the person that they love for three years enough to have a real conversation to laugh in your face is so absurd. I mean, at least Amanda Petula had the,

she had the willingness to like when she was going to Kyle. Yeah. I could, like the fact that you would even question that would even bother. I don't know what to believe when it comes to that. But like, yeah, the fact that. She could have a conversation. Gaston was more like, you know what? Yeah.

I don't care about you. anymore is crazy. Here's your ask Nick answer, Taylor. Like, listen, they're going to, you know, this is definitely a karma situation. Like, they deserve each other, truly, the best possible way. Like, you don't have to worry about your revenge. It's around the corner. Oh, it already had its way.

Oh, yeah. I saw you post something about that. Yeah, what happened? Ooh, tell. Do tell. I mean, it is public knowledge. But there is a situation. I woke up the next morning and somebody, one of,

of our friends, it said that there is a little trouble that the girl had gotten into with the law. And I'll just say that as much. And I was like, no way. You know, I wish she was guest on, unfortunately, but his is on the way. Are we talking, like, misdemeanor? Are we talking federal offense? Yeah, no, misdemeanor.

Not, like, anything. Okay. Okay. Not anything like she's going to be in jail for many years. Good amount of karma. So wait, this is the girl that was like, y'all were twerking together on the boat or now? No, she was on the boat next.

That is one of my friends. I feel like a lot of people thought that that was the girl. That is one of my girlfriends. Yeah, we were just having a good time and then I decided to be petty. And when I did, that's when more girls had spoken up. I mean, I even had a girl DM me and say, hey, I thought that it was weird. I know this might not mean anything to you,

but I found it weird that I was following him because of the show. I saw him on the show and just innocently followed him. And then he followed me back. And she was like, it just made me feel icky. And of course, it's some cute girl that I'm like, why are you following girls back on Instagram if you're not doing anything that you shouldn't be doing? Yeah. That's weird.

That's weird. Yeah. Hmm. Did you ever ask him that? What was his answer? I haven't spoken to him since, um, I guess it's been like three weeks.

I haven't spoken to him since then. You just, and at the time it happened, you just, you didn't notice, you didn't know. Yeah. Yeah.

Didn't notice, didn't know. And, um, the girl, I mean, the, it was after I posted the video,

the girl had commented and was like, hey, I just wanted to let you know that this is what happened with me. This was my experience. Some, somebody from his high school. high school, oh, we went to high school with him. He's always been horrible. I'm just like, who was I sleeping next to? Like, I have no idea the man that I was sleeping next to. I thought that

I was in a very safe space. And I'm not saying that our whole relationship was terrible. Like, at the beginning of our relationship, he was exactly what I needed. He was in my safe space. He was somebody that built me up and made me feel like I was capable of, everything. And then as time went on, it just felt like I was, he was like my biggest hater. Like he was constantly putting me down or pulling me away from people, pulling me away from friends, always talking about, you know, how dumb I was to even be on a TV show and how dumb I was to be dating a guy that was cheating on me the whole time. And how, and I just felt very belittled as as time went on. And I was like, I think that I'm dating my biggest hater. Wow.

What is happening? Sometimes you are. Sometimes you're dating your biggest hater. I'm not that in tune to the universe, Taylor, but I feel like your love stories around the corner. I know. I just feel like it's, uh, you're gonna, you're, I think you're gonna be.

I'm sorry you went through that, though. That's just like, you know. Thank you guys. But also, I mean, like, there's been some fan speculation that maybe you're filming, you were filming a scene with Shapp. Was, is that possibility? Like, could we,

possibly see you back on our screen. I would love to get my job back. I don't know if that's a 100% possibility, but I needed time away from the show, no doubt for my mental. I 1,000% am happy with the decision that I did walk away. But ultimately, I was held at an ultimatum with my ex, saying either you go back to the show or you date me. Wow.

And I was already on the fence of going, I need time away. And I think that my mental stability needs time away from the show. So, okay, you know, I guess this is my answer. Yeah, of course, I'm going to step away from the show and I'll continue to date you because I see a future with you. And then I just found it more revealing that he was just slowly, like, pulling me away from friends, opportunities. I mean, even like even my family to an extent, I felt like I wasn't. Like, he, like, he belittled me in that. And it was just such a weird, I'm going, he's like, you see your family all the time.

Like, well, yeah, we're very close. Your family is my family. I love to see my family all the time. Yeah, what? Yeah, makes sense. Yeah. I also wonder, though, if he was pulling you away from the show to maybe, like, pull himself out of the spotlight a little bit more so that eyes weren't on him fully all the time. well. I think that that was definitely had something to do with it. Well, we would love to see you

back on our screens. Got our vote. Routing for that for sure. I will see. I mean, I definitely, I feel, I feel much more at peace because I'm not, hopefully I don't, I'm not under fire anymore, but I'm also not having to feel like I'm protecting someone while I'm also drowning myself. Yeah. And I feel like that's my last season was that. I was trying to protect someone while I was also drowning. And that's not a fun feeling to have. Do you have Schep's vote? For coming back?

Yeah. Because I think he has a lot of sway. I think that Shep would love to see that. Okay. I do. And I think that just goes back to him having my back and my, like, wanting to support me. And wanting to, he, like, wants to see me thrive. and I find that very kind.

That is kind. Well, Taylor, we appreciate you coming on and sharing your story with us. Sorry that what you're going through. That's never fun. But you seem like you're dealing with it as best as you can. You know, that start over a feeling is, you know,

and I'm sure you're going through all the feelings, but your head is held high. You seem like you have good people around you, which is always important. Yeah, I do. And I'm very busy with, you know, obviously with Reset. I'm up in Baltimore right now with my business partner. I've been here for the week. So it's nice to be out of Charleston. Stay busy. Can you send me more merch? Nick is obsessed with three. Yes.

We've got some new stuff. I'll have to send you. I really. I really enjoy that sweatshirt. He wears that sweatshirt all the time. Yeah, we've got, I mean, we can always get some more, we've got some more mock necks in that I really like. So it can send some mock necks that I find really comfy as well. Nice.

We need to get some more stuff to you. We've been meaning to do that and do another round of PR. So be on the lookout for it. Okay. Taylor, thanks for joining us. We appreciate you. Hopefully we'll see you back on our screen. Or even if ever in L.A., pop back in.

Come say hi. I know. I know. We definitely need to get back up. And please come out to Charleston. I know. I know. I know.

Yeah, y'all need to come out. You've got a place to stay. You've got to bring daily. Some of my favorite baby stores are in Charleston. I bet. I feel like Charleston has the cutest stuff. Oh, there's some cute one. Yeah.

We need to get you guys some matching, like, mommy, daddy, baby clothes from our friends, Kenny Flowers. Yes, we do. Okay. Yes, we do. We've worn some of their stuff on the show. Yes, we do. We're, like, always shopping in their store on the show, so. Yeah.

Nick loves a matching. Are we ever going to see you on Southern Hospitality? I know you're pretty good friends with some of that cast, yeah? Yeah, yeah. Actually, T.J. and I were that. that we were kind of in a, not a TIF, but he had texted me and said that he,

this was a while ago, this was like back in February, that we were not allowed to be friends or not, not allowed, but he said that he did not want to continue a friendship with me if I was still dating. Oh.

But I just, I just kind of ignored it. And I was like, I. Because he had an icky feeling about Gaston and he was almost trying to like be a friend by setting a rigid boundary in a way. He told me recently because I, obviously rekindled my friendship with him, that he knew about what was going on. And he just didn't

know how to tell me, obviously, because who am I going to believe, like, TJ or my partner? And of course, I'm going to believe my partner. But that was just another friend who my ex was pulling me away from. And I think that it's because there was information that he knew about. Wow. So I don't, to answer your question, I don't know. I think that. they're going to be picking up filming for Southern Hospitality. I would assume maybe in July. I'm really not sure. I am friends with those people. I love them to death. And I might do a little cameo or something, but I don't know about full cast over there. Thanks. All right. Well, fingers crossed. Yeah. Always great to talk with you, Taylor. Sorry, you're going through this.

Thanks for sharing her story with us. And no one likes a guest on. Yeah. No one likes to That's really. Yeah, thanks for listening, y'all. I know it's like, I'm like still kind of chaotic a little bit, but I feel, I feel very confident with my decision and just onwards and upwards. There you go. Absolutely. Thank you, Taylor.

We appreciate that. All right. Yes. Bye, Green. Bye, bye. Well, that will do it for us for today's episode. Thank you to our guest, Anna Conkel and Taylor Ann Green for joining us this episode. And thank you guys all for listening.

Do not forget that we have an amazing. going deeper tomorrow with Amanda Francis and her husband, Eddie. Will she be coming back? We get some answers from what Amanda and Eddie's experience was like filming this season of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, how they both feel about the possibility of her return. A lot of unanswered questions get answered, and it's a fascinating episode with a very fascinating person and a fascinating couple. So be sure to check that out.

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