The Viall Files - E1136 - Going Deeper with Amanda Frances and Eddie Tsivislavsky

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper edition!  Today, we get into the questions that everyone has been asking… Is Amanda Frances returning to The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills? What does Eddie think of her filming? What did Rihanna DM her? All that, and more. You won't want to miss it!  "He chased me down the street in West Hollywood." Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content?  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE?  Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com   THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Zenni: Go to https://zenni.com/podcast and use code PODCAST15 for 15% off your first order. Rakuten: Join for free at https://rakuten.com or download the Rakuten app to start saving money today. Tonal: Right now, Tonal is offering our listeners $200 off your Tonal purchase. Just go to https://tonal.com and use promo code VIALL.  Vivrelle: Go to www.vivrelle.com and apply for a membership today using referral code VIALL for your first month of membership FREE. CashApp: New Cash App customers can earn $10 if they use code FAMILY10 in their profile at signup and send $5 to a friend within 14 days. Honeylove: For a limited time, Honeylove is offering up to 50% off sitewide during their Memorial Day sale. Use our exclusive link to shop at https://honeylove.com/VIALL  To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @xoamandafrances @thedadforlife @justinkaphillips @the_mare_bare

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Right? Isn't he so cute? Not that you aren't good looking on TV. No, you are, but they didn't. They didn't do enough scenes of him like... Yeah, I'm like walking into the room Or we don't really get Eddie. We didn't get a lot of like shirtless moments.

We didn't get any sex tape. Nobody came to a water poland game. You really could give Maricio run for his money if they give you a platform. And Eddie's much taller. I met Marisio way before the show. I would not be worried about him. You're crazy. Well, welcome guys.

Welcome back. Welcome back Amanda and welcome Eddie. Thank you. We're very excited to have you. So just to start off, is this like your, is it official? Is this your, is it official? exit interview, so to speak? It's not official.

And I'm not sure. Okay. Even this man was the strongest. You really shouldn't do that again, babe. Like, you were really unhappy. But he's had a change of tune. Well, is it because of Rihanna? Yes.

It has to be because of Rihanna. I've never called her so fast after a text message in my life. She sent me a screen grab. And I was like, so you sent it to Eddie. Yeah. So I have, I can show it to you. I have a screen grab from my assistant. And it's the text message with me and one of my assistants.

And it has Rihanna's message request and then all caps, you have a message request from Rihanna. I moved it to your primary folder. You can find it. And so without even opening it, I screenshot that to my team, like our team group chat, you, my sister. Who else got it? A handful of people got that.

But there was a message that I hadn't even looked at yet from Rihanna. Wow. And was that as surreal as it sounds? Or were you kind of like, of course, Rihanna reached out to me. No, absolutely surreal. Not, of course. But upon a little bit of research,

this is something she kind of does sometimes. From what I've gathered, I'm about maybe the fifth housewife that has mentioned her reaching out. So she gets involved. She's a big fan. She's involved. She's not only a fan.

She's like an active involved. But that's part of the problem with us not being aware of this world. We don't know stuff like, yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Did you reply to Rihanna? So I replied to Rihanna and I said, I was like, listen, thank you. I mean, the queen was spoken. Like, thank you.

But honestly, the environment was really hard on me. I don't know if it's something I want to do again. And then she replied with like, I'm not taking sides. I'm just saying. Like she really thought as all, it was interesting that she thought what all fans tend to think. She thought it was about the cast. She's like, well, I'm not taking sides. But, you know, you went to her book party.

She's like telling me this stuff. Like we're talking about me and Dorea. I'm like, we're talking about whether. I want to spend another year of my life doing whatever that just was. That's not the same as I'm mad at a castmate. You know what I mean? Like, it's interesting to me that the fans really so truly, like, believe what they see in the final cut as the ultimate truth.

It's not that there's not truth to it. It's not that I think they don't, I think they try to capture the energy of a moment. I think the production does. You know, so I'm not even talking about like inaccuracies. I'm just saying like, you can't. possibly know what the four-hour dinner was like in a minute and a half. I think that's just it. It's not that they...

You think they take it as fact, no? They take it as fact, but I think more accurately, I just think it's just, you know, we watch reality TV kind of like as an escape. We want to like watch other people's lives. And I think it's just easier or simpler to take it at face value. Yeah. Rather than just be like, you know, there's more, you know, this was five minutes of a four-hour dinner, you know, like, at three in the morning.

I think that's very true, though, because people don't poke holes in reality TV the way that we do when we go see a movie, and we poke holes in the plot. Yeah. Like, this is such an escape for everybody. They just, certain parts your brain are, yeah, and I think a lot of,

you know, we watch it because we see ourselves in these people, or we see our rivals, you know, our exes. I hate girls who act that way. Yeah. So the last show I watched religiously was The Hills, so I'm dating. myself but like being on this show kind of made the hills make more sense in like a weird way because you know how you're watching a television you're watching reality show and you're like wait what happened

there where did that storyline go or like they wrapped up that whole thing we've been talking about all season with that little sentence it makes more sense once you're filming because you understand that like it's an edited television show they got to turn it into an episode they got it into an episode and real life doesn't always fit an episode real life isn't that interesting in real life isn't that interesting. No, you're not like, if you're fighting with someone, you don't end up sitting directly across from them at the dinner table. You probably sit at the other end of the table for a couple meals. Or you don't go to dinner. Right. You don't go to the dinner. Right. But like, you have a plate, I always thought it was interesting. I have, you know, you have a place card at the table for every

single mill. And I'm like, of course I'm sitting across from Dorrit and Bowers right there. Like, you know. And Kyle's kind of far from me, not super close because that would be too comforting. So last time of you're here, we obviously talked about whether you were going to come back. We're huge fans of you on the show. I thought the reunion was awesome. Thank you. But I do think I agreed with a lot of the fans that this season, it was like it just took a while to get going. But like I told you last time, I thought you were the most entertaining part of it.

Thank you. That being said, you seemed pretty committed to not coming back. And obviously, this whole interview started by like, you know what? Let's bring Eddie in because like we haven't had. had a chance to really get to know him or your guys is dynamic as much as we'd like to. And if you really are done, this would be a great opportunity to get to know you guys better. I am just curious, like, how serious are you guys when you say, well, now that Rihanna's reached out, it's given us a second amount of pause.

And just, but like, there's an argument to be made about keeping going and there's an argument to be made about like protecting your peace and stopping. But like, I guess on a, just a practical sentence, other than just being a fan girl and having it be a cool that Rihanna reached out. What conversations did you guys have as a couple? Like what are we having? Yeah. Like should we really think about this?

I'm reminded of the dinner we went at that vegetable place. Oh. The second floor with the vegetable. Yeah. I mean, my side of it when we've talked about, should she go back? It's a puzzle piece, right? Like there's the elements of like, yes, you are super smart and you're going to be able to figure certain elements of the show out and the strategy and all of that.

there's no question that she can handle that part of it whatsoever. Like, I'll be better at it. As her... Navigating. Partner, as her husband, as her protector, though, I'm like, the amount of energy you spent not on the show. Dealing with social media, which she's always obviously been in that world, but the amount of energy drain, the amount of times that we've had late night evenings talking about all sorts of different things. We're trying to process something with you, like on a Sunday afternoon during night.

Right, where I'm just like, I don't, I don't want her to do that. She has bigger fish to fry. She has goals. She has, you know, heights that she wants to achieve. And I don't want her wasting energy. We just talked about it this weekend. We were talking about certain elements of this. And I was like, there is going to be people that you will never reach, no matter how much you're going to be on the TV screen or an internet screen or phone or whatever.

They're not going to be people that want to receive your message. There's only so much diet stuff you can push on the person that needs to diet or exercise, but until they want to, they're never going to want to do it. You know? And I just frankly don't want her wasting her energy on it. That is a big part of it. It's so much. It's more psychological space than anyone can understand. And she cares.

I care about everything I do. I talk about this with our inner circle and our friends all the time. That was hands down the biggest aha moment I had when we first started dating. She was wildly nervous for taping a live piece that she was doing in her own bedroom on her bed. For one of my courses. I was going to do a live module. And he was like, are you always? I don't understand.

Why are you know? It's like these are literally your people. They have paid to watch you. That has not changed. Every time. She could film one tomorrow in her brand new office, which is catered and built exactly to her liking and her comfort. And she's still nervous. And the only reason is because she fucking cares.

Yeah. Like a lot. And so when that ether around the show, the Reddits, the trolls, all that stuff takes energy from her. I'm like, she cares so much in trying to get these people to see the truth. I'm like, they don't care to see the truth. They don't keep clapping back in the comments. They come in one time.

The funniest one, I don't even remember what the actual issue was on Reddit. And I just started laughing because I was. getting through the Reddit. And it went from people commenting about something Amanda said or did or whatever to somebody saying, I would rather watch my dog eat flies, catch flies.

400 comments later of people just talking about their animals catching flies. I was like, this is how little they actually care about your thing. This entire subreddit went into animals catching flies instead of talking about what they actually came here for. It's crazy. It is.

The things they'll say about you that are based on nothing. Like, I don't go on Reddit and I went on last night. When you came to bed, I was on Reddit. It was shocking the things they make up or the things they try to piece together that are based in no version. It's, but it's like, but this is my life and my story. So when you're like making mockery of it, it's like you want to correct it. You want to make it make sense. They're saying that the cult wasn't a cold. It was a rehab. There's this whole threat about speculating that I just went to rehab and I called it a cult and they're going

on and on trying to find the rehab and I went in I just went I comment in it and I have a I never do it and I have never done it and I have never done it. This is the first time. I have a Reddit handle that's like Amanda Francis 1-1-1-1 I went in as Amanda Francis 101 and I was like y'all this is

the name of the church, this is the name of the pastor is like I'm tired like no stop it's my life but that's the thing that kind of Eddie is right about you just it's so win this battle. Because even then, they're not going to believe you. I mean, maybe. Or they're going to go and they're just going to say something crazy about that now.

They're going to make up. There's still a whole population online that think I'm gay. Oh, that's true. Can we clarify that for the world? We met in West Hollywood. He chased me on the street in West Hollywood and the world has decided that means he's gay. We were going at, what's it called? Laurel Hardware. We were going into Laurel Hardware. If we weren't even, we weren't even, we weren't.

I've been, I've grown up in L.A. I've been to every gay bar. And I'm super. confident. I just found it hilarious. Yeah, it's not bothering him. People are really convinced he's gay, though. I mean, when I first on, I've, I've talked about this, but when I first went on reality TV, I was the villain. And then I would, after the show ended, I would go out in public, and I would have people meet me, and they would say things like, oh, you're taller in person, you're better looking in person, you're nicer in person. And that, like, we had a very negative effect on me, because I found myself months later, actively trying to almost meet everyone.

in person. Aw. Let all these people see how nice I am. Yeah. Yeah. And you obviously can't do that. So you truly just kind of have to let it go. What is helpful, though, is when we're at our Newport House, for some reason, when I

walk down the street there is when I get stopped a lot, like a lot, and all the people just want to like say hi to someone they saw on TV. It's like, I love you on the show. So-and-so is a bitch to you. You're doing great. Can we take a picture? Like they're really not, like, the Reddit population is a small amount of, like, you know. the viewership. It just doesn't feel that way.

And for all you know, that same person was on Reddit. Right. Saying those things. Maybe. They're so nice in person. Like the person who flips you off for cutting them off, they would never be so emboldened in person. Right. I think everyone can say whatever they want to say, but I think we shouldn't be able to say it anonymously. I wish if we could just change anything, say whatever you want online.

But if we all had to show our names and faces like those of us with an online presence and an online business and a reality show have to do, I think that would be fair. I would agree. Yeah. They've done that in the UK. They got rid of Taddle. Taddle was a Reddit site that they got rid of because it became unsafe for the influencers and celebrities they were trying to take down.

Yeah. I saw a post last week that it was a very supportive post of you. Of me? Yeah. And it was like this kind of like you were looking all boss or whatever. It looked like this business woman. And it was basically saying she doesn't need this shit. You know, she's independently wealthy.

And now you kind of all want her back. something about that fact. And it was just, you've done one season and I'm just curious because I think there's a thought in this, in reality TV, specifically Bravo, that even though housewives used to like, it originated as more women like yourself, all these like wealthy people who were willing to share this kind of outrageous life they had with the viewers. And now over the years, that's drastically changed. You still have people like yourself or Kyle Richards who, seem to be like their checkbook is balanced and it's ready to go. Yeah. And then you have other people who are like, they need this shit. This is their livelihood. And you can tell when you're filming with them. Yeah.

And that was kind of my question is like, on one end, it must feel liberating to be like, I can do this and not need this. And this gives me a level of freedom to say yes or no to things. Oh, absolutely. Well, I felt that when they were trying to first cast. me. I felt through every meeting, every call, every whatever, I knew I didn't need it. I knew, like, I've always, yeah, I've always had that. And I think that irritated some of my castmates when I would be a little whatever about some of the dinner table as I'm thinking like, why do

you all do this and why am I here doing it with you? Like, yeah. But do you think it made it harder to do your job or to do what you wanted to do because you were mixed in with too many castmates who like needed it and were willing to kind of operate that way. Those who need it make the responses bigger than they actually are. Like those who need

are like always trying to make sure they're getting the camera time and they're very different on camera than off camera and it's hard to feel. I was told multiple times listen this is your friend group. That's the premise here. This is your friend group. So do whatever you would do

with a new friend group. I'm like, okay, I just get to know everybody. I wouldn't be forming, like, strategies and opinions and takedowns. I'd just be trying to get to everyone in a new friend group, right? And so then when you get there and you feel like people are trying to do whatever they have to do for their strategy and their storyline and their takedown, you're like, how do I ever get to know you? Like, how do we ever? So in that way, can the show really be built on relationships? No, it depends on what those relationships are, I guess. I think for some of my castness. There are shows that that is the entire premise of trying to build a relationship.

Like dating show? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the entire. Does you feel like you had opportunities to form real relationships, though they were always filmed?

But this show's also fostering connection. Yes. And no. I mean, like the paradise date, whatever. Bacher fans will often complain about this because like in that atmosphere, it's like, it's very controlled. And the truth is the men form most, like, when it's a bunch of men living in a house and there's one female leader, vice versa, like,

you actually, the most meaningful relationships you form are those as with the other men. People that you're living with. But you were the bachelor. Yeah, I was on both sides. Oh, okay. But they really was. Was it isolating when it was all the women bonding and you just having dates? It's very difficult.

But to answer that question, they rarely show those moments. They're not showing a lot of the bonding male friendships. They're showing the trivial, you know, like, oh, he interrupted me. Now I'm mad. Yeah. You know, in reality, he didn't even interrupt. He was just like, you're next. You know, and then it was made to look like an interruption and things like that.

And that's just kind of part of the reality TV. I will say about coming back, though, that's just floated through my mind. I was thinking about the conversation we had after we had that date at that vegetable place, I don't know the name of it. And we were about to walk into the house and relieve the babysitter. That place is going to be real disappointed. We're not name dropping because we really enjoyed that dinner. I can't remember.

But keep going. It's in Costa Mase that they have a lot of vegetables. Okay. We were standing in front of the house. And I was like, you've never told me nobody. before. I'm not a woman who you can say no to. And I almost feel like you're telling me no.

That night was the most poignant night of it and your immediate reaction was that of someone's telling me no which does not go well. Yeah. Like you're trying coming back for coming back. Just telling her no to anything. He's not woman has ever. No one tells me no to anything but I felt

like he was telling me no to going back. Meaning if I if I went I would still have his support of course but he didn't want to film anymore. He wasn't going to be taken away from his work day on a Wednesday to film something in our bedroom or whatever. Like you were just saying like, you're kind of saying I'm out. And what you basically told me when we first, first met was like, because I wanted to like fly to Paris or something randomly. And you were like, go to Paris. And you were very, very chill about it. And you're still that way.

And you're still that way anytime I want to do anything. But you said, I realized when I first met you that if you ever felt held back, you were out. Like you were not someone who can be held back. So you've never ever at all in any way discouraged me from anything ever right and coming back felt like the first time you were kind of like no I really don't think you should it's very different dynamics because not only did I realize that early on when we met like this is not a woman you're ever going to be able to like hold back from because you're insecure about something but also I never felt like you were going to be a woman that was trying to escape either you were never going to be in a position that you needed to escape from so that made it.

it very easy and also the time in my life like figuring that element of my ego out and everything but with this show it was different because i have had i have had to protect you in different ways in our relationship and this time specifically i'm just like the amount of energy you spent post show i know so that was like your biggest piece i'm just like i don't what's the the the whole definition of insanity thing right like same over and over expecting a different soul because it would be it was It would be the cycle. And I get it because she can't uncommit from things once she does it. Like, period.

It's to her own detriment even. And with the show, that was the thing. The show would air. We would spend Friday, Saturday, Sunday talking about it in different times of the day. She would end up in the comment section or people would end up in the comment section or the Reddits or whatever. And then she would start formulating, okay, how do I? How do I change the narrative? How do I get people to see what I need to see?

Do I want to make a post around this? Do I have anything I want to say about it? Tuesday, she would get that all squared away. Something would get posted. Yeah. And then like Wednesday, Thursday, I'm a business woman again. And then the next episode comes out. And every week.

And I'm like, come on. Yeah. So I had a break where I didn't film just because of the way everything worked out. Like, I can't remember what it was. But there's like a one week I didn't film a little bit before Italy. I remember telling one of the producers like, how are you doing after not filming for a week? and I was like, my brain turned back on.

The creativity, which I was able to give my business this week, is something I haven't given it in months, the presence I was giving my children. I became myself again. It's weird to voluntarily commit to something where you feel so that it takes so much from you. When your business and your family are your priorities. Before you went on housewives,

would you guys have considered yourselves? I mean, I know you have your business and you're like, you're public, but were you still relatively private about some of the things about... What do you mean? Very. No, you have... You've done...

In what way? When I first met you was actually my biggest concern because you had this public persona on social media and everything. For months, I wouldn't tag him. No one knew who he was. I didn't know, like, how that dynamic was. No one knew the kids' names for a long time.

And then there was a lot of that. And then I realized how, like, effective, frankly, she is at showing what she wants to be shown. that stays with her branding and imaging and everything like that, but private life is still keeping my private life private. But where I was going to say, are you sure, is like in Money Mama, for example, which is my course for like working moms, there's like so many personal examples like from our life, from our relationship.

There's a module on like sexuality model where it just has honestly intimate details of our life. I still find that is different than public. That's sprinkled throughout my work. But I think maybe what I'm hearing is though. Whatever you shared, it was your choice. Yeah. And you could just decide at any point, I'm comfortable with this.

Like, even with us, you know, like, obviously we're public figures. We talk about our relationship on this show, but, like, we're very selective. And there's things we don't share. And no matter what, it's our choice. And it must be a very different feeling for you, someone who, like, clearly values control. Not in a, like, in a toxic way, but, like, just being in control of, like, your family, your life, your marriage. and then giving that control up to an entity that, and a fan base,

that very much doesn't, almost like, you can tell how especially Bravo fans will be resistant to housewives who seem like they're holding back. I mean, Kyle's for the past couple seasons have been getting shit about her relationship status and, you know, it's like you're supposed to do this, you're supposed to do that.

Which I think after 15 years or whatever, she needs to figure this one out off camera, like, let her live, man. For sure. But fans often down. Well, she's getting paid. Yeah. Eddie, how is it for you having someone else control that narrative in the way that your wife was being perceived?

Oh, wait. She's being perceived. Well, there's the lag, first of all, right? She would film and then she would talk to me about some of the stuff that went on or some, or like when she would even film her telling me some of the things, like when you had the penis drawing party and I just walked through. I was like, it was stupid. I thought that would be a funny real. I just walked away. Yeah, yeah.

And then it'd be out of sight, out of mind. And then it would air weeks and weeks later. And like that was actually, there was almost like semesters to this thing. Because there was the part of the season when you're filming where nothing has been aired. And so there was, I was like, oh, this isn't too bad. Like we're talking about some bad shit conversation that happened in real life that she's telling me about it. And then the show started airing. And then there was a whole other element to it brought in, obviously, with social media.

don't know what your castmates are saying about you. You don't know the narratives that you don't see. And there's another semester with, like, I didn't know they're questioning my name. Totally. The banter and what they're saying in the interviews that makes you make, would make her second-guess. But we're all filming the interviews after we haven't seen each other for months. So everyone's more emboldened in their interviews. That's weird to see people you hung out with, like, have these really strong opinions.

But also, like, the narrative about my business, for example, I didn't know what was happening until Italy. When you got done filming, what idea did you have in your head? of how you thought you would be portrayed on the season. Like you get you wrap filming and you're like the dust has settled. Like what did you envision for yourself? So like, okay. I kept feeling like because I was really unwilling and unavailable and it just wasn't in my character to freak out about the dinner table,

I really kept thinking that maybe I just like a really bad job and I was going to be kind of boring because I just like say what I think and then kind of have nothing else to say retract a little bit. So I kind of thought people would either think I was like, like boring, not interesting, like one and done. And so when I started kind of getting the feedback, like everyone's really happy with you at Bravo. Like you're involved in every major storyline.

I was surprised. I'm like, how? Like, did that scare you a little bit? No. I mean, the goal in this universe is to be asked back, which is not my personal goal. What was your personal goal? I thought, go on there. see who you make friends with, see who connect with,

try to have a decent time, try not to engage in the stuff you hear about the show that is not your vibe, get a lot of eyes on you, and see what it does for your business and book and brand in life. There was that Barbie dream element of like getting on a TV show for sure too.

In some form representing Beverly Hills was like a very wild idea. Like really? You know, like I made it here somehow. There are certain elements that she was pretty much unshaken to though. The one thing that I told her, I was like, listen, no matter how things get edited, which we don't know and we have no control over, as long as you stay true to yourself and are genuinely you through it. Some people aren't going to like it. We don't care about that.

Obviously, we do. But as long as you stay true to yourself, then you can't walk away with any regrets outside of maybe the time and the effort that you put into it. And I really don't have regrets. But I think that's a big reason why there was like almost a full circle with a lot of the Bravo fans. They realized like, she's not fake. She's not putting this on. By the reunion, they're like, this is her. This is really her. And she doesn't let these people get her ultimately flustered.

People went from what is she hiding by not freaking out to like, oh, she's unbothered by nonsense. Which felt good for me. Two part question. One is actually a question. And then I want to, I guess, challenge you a little. bit on in hopes that you come back. But if you have no regret, first question, if you have no regrets, then why aren't you coming back? I have no regrets in how I behaved because, listen, had I researched castmates the way I was being researched and gone that avenue and then gone to dinner with them

to try to take them down, I wouldn't feel good about myself because that wouldn't be true to me. I don't care if it's the way it normally goes on the show where people, like I just couldn't live with it, right? So I didn't do anything I can't live with. Like, as far as mentioning the sunscreen in the Chanel backpack or the 10,000 on crystals or whatever, like I would have done that different, but that's kind of like

you don't know until you know. That's kind of learning how it works. Yeah, I think those things are cute and funny and my friends would have thought those things are cute and funny and the fact that with her friends, there was a lot of laughing about how much people were freaking out about that. We're like, why is this

such a drag to you guys? Amanda will randomly drop those kinds of things. Well, dry senses of humor and sarcasm are not well received. And often are just, they're an editor's gift. Because you can strip the context down. And then the person just seems like they're saying something out of nowhere. Just completely out of touch. We were looking at the prices on the bottom of the crystals, talking about how much they were.

And I was like, I spent 10,000 in one sitting before. In context, that makes sense. Crystals are expensive. There's this very, like, infamous bachelor scene before my time. I forgot what his name was. And he was like one of the major villains at the time. And, you know, ultimate, I don't think he really liked the girl and she was popular. And so he ultimately, like, left.

And there was like this, they showed the scene. Like, he sits down to do like their, what they called in the moments, whatever that you guys do. But they're doing it like in between, like, filming. They're not like being called back. And he's like, how's my hair? You know, like sitting down. Which everyone does when they sit on for an interview. Right.

But the way it was used. made him seem like he's just like he was deliberately trying to manipulate this bad charade and and was so like into himself like they're having this heartfelt moment and he's like caring about his hair he's only cares about his hair and it's just like that's really not fair but that's what it is that's what it is that happens all the time fair but or for worse second part of that is I will say like the reason why someone like yourself if you were down to do it and I could never argue someone like if the couple that's sitting before me, if you're like, listen, it's just not, I don't need it, it's not good for mental health. You're not going to hear me, be like, you should really.

I mean, I say this as a fan, not a friend. But as a fan, people like yourself always get it tough early because you make it so easy for your peers and your cast members to like rip on your dry sense of humor or like, or just the way you kind of process information. And then the fans will rip that apart. But what fans love the most on reality TV is authenticity. And it's why, like, you look at the scimanda of it all. I don't know if you're following that, like, while they're getting so much. Any reality TV star, like, it's the most hate is when fans will be like, we thought you were this. And it turns out you were that.

Right. And they will get a viscerade. Yeah, there's another. Yeah, there's scamanda. Yeah. But I'm, they call me that name too. I know. But like you're someone that like, if, let's say you go back five seasons.

My guess is you will be this version of Amanda. You will be this consistent. Maybe you say the kind of out of touch things. You have a sense of humor that doesn't, you know, that everyone doesn't get. But they get it more as they watch. It will keep showing up and showing up and people will be like, I can trust this person. And then you will find more people who will say, I'm an Amanda. And your fan base will grow.

I mean, that it will happen. But it is always tough for people with your type of personality because they always come in and they always get fucking crucified because it's easy to crucify someone like yourself who is kind of like I don't know what what's wrong with what I said it's true well and also who's just different and who doesn't maybe always read social situations the way everyone else does and yeah all of that um I don't it's just kind of a painful experience that was that's a whole other element to the to the show that I was like super aware of in the beginning your her friendship circle is very small and to get into her She's friendly to everybody, but to, like, become a friend of Amanda.

It's not easy. She's got a full life and a full cup. And so it takes a while for you to, like, actually broach into that realm. And so the whole premise of you're going to be on a show with these, how many other, five, six, whatever, however many women there are and we're supposed to be friends, I was like, this is going to be interesting. because this is just day one. You're just saying you don't let everyone in easily. You don't necessarily want to be friends with everyone. Right, but it's a strange social experiment.

Yeah. You know? It is kind of a strange social experiment. That's all I mean. How did you guys meet? He chased me down the street in West Hollywood. Do you want to hear the whole story? Sure.

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Where we talk about all your favorite pop culture topics that we didn't get to in this week's episode plus deep dives on our going deeper guest and so much more all I have to do is go to vile files plus and you will be lucky you did you want to tell her or do you want to correct me in my parts I'll tell it and then you can I don't know we'll say how it goes um I've been making these lists for like I met you when I was 33 I started making these lists when I was for 20 years I made lists of what I wanted in a person just before I even knew it manifested manifesting was this is just kind of how I am, I manifest things. So a list of like all these qualities. And then I was probably common for a lot of girls like writing out or making little 13 year old. They definitely change over. Yeah.

But something stay the same. So I was making all these lists and then I was like, no, like I'm ready. Like it's time. Like I had been in this really long relationship and then I had been single for like five. Whatever. I was like ready. It was time. So I'm like in that vibe of like I'm going to I'm just in that I'm going to meet him kind of energy. Like I'm just excited about it. I'm going out kind of like intentionally. I don't know. So I'm in the vibe. And I'm walking on the street toward Laura Hardware and I walk past him and thank God I did not see you or smoking a cigarette or I never would have talked to you.

Were you walking by yourself? I was my friend laying out. Okay. So but here's the, okay. Sorry. I forget about this. So I live in a mal. We're getting past the part of how we met already.

What do you mean? How did we meet? My side of it. How I manifested you so much quicker. Okay, tell that in a minute. For all this to work out, for me to be walking by him on that street at that time, there had to be traffic on the 405 at 9 p.m. I had to be late getting to dinner at Wally's. My friend Laina had to make me stop in the street of Beverly Hills to listen to some rap song that was about money that I was going to love.

She had to tell me we couldn't park on the street. We had to park by her apartment once we got to. Like all these things had to happen for me to be walking right then, right? And I had one intention. I had many intentions. I had an intention, though, that I would not. meet someone through an app. I just was, I was on all the apps, whatever. I could not meet someone through an app. I needed a meet cute. Okay, here we go. You're at dinner. I was at dinner with a close

friend of mine who I was living with at the time where he had a roommate situation of like full house. There were three men and Eddie's two kids. It was literally. It was like an early 90s sitcom. He was yeah, he's one of my longest, longest, longest time friends. Oh, can we tell humanity that I didn't break up your marriage? Because I'm so tired of that one. Yes, she did not break up my marriage. So he's not even close. It was, oh, okay. Your ex was in a full relationship when I met you.

Yes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Everyone hear that. I'm looking at all the cameras. She was really on red at last night. She was really on red at last night.

That's partially my doing because there was, it was a short period of time. I went. You guys weren't divorced yet because COVID delayed the paperwork for everyone's divorces. Right. we were we were separated and i the frankly i went that sorry you're he's living in an sena with two let me tell my part friends and his two kids continue i'm sorry not a homewrecker continue no she's not a home record but the timing the timing didn't make sense to some people because she and i were already dating and and the divorce paperwork finally became became final on top of that once i

did separate and move out Nick my best friend who I moved in with we literally called each other the same day to tell each other that we were different circumstances but getting divorced both getting divorced yeah and I was like well I need a fucking place to stay and he's like so do I and I was like well just I can do this and it was literally it was me and his brother they did a really good job making that little place a home you guys my Liam and Shosh are older kids and they had Liam and Shosh had bunk beds in this little cute room and the three men had their bedrooms and and they were the guys were awesome because frankly they were single no kids they didn't have to move like back into the valley they could have gone and lived in west delay or

wherever they could have gone been young people but they were they were game we got a house we had a backyard like it was it was really it was a three men and a baby and baby yeah exactly exactly and i'm living in a three-story house in malady with an elevator and four car garage and all the space in the world and i go to your when we started dating i go to your house and i'm get to the park. And it's like, there's all these humans. Okay, continue. There was a lot.

I was very aware of like I'm bringing her into some shit right now. But they decorated it very nice. Continue. Both Nick and I kind of went hard in the paint. Like once we were like, I wanted to start. I'd never dated on in a period of apps. Like we had my space when I dated.

Yeah, him and his ex got together. You and you guys got together and you're like 21, right? 22, 23, something like that. He was super young. Yeah. So I'm like figuring all of this out and very pretty. pretty quickly like figuring it out well and also we're also going out on our own. By well you mean you're having an easy time.

He's six three good looking. Yeah. Six five. Six five. He's trying to say he's sleeping with someone different every night. It was. It was doing well. We had a good time.

And then, but then it got to a point where I was like, this is, when it first started, I was like, I don't ever want to do this shit again. Like, I'm done. I don't want to be married. I don't want to be married. want to deal with it. I just want to dad my kids and move on with my life. And then I remembered who I am and I was like, I can't, I can't keep doing this. Like, this is, there's, there's no meaningful connections in this. Like, I'm ready to meet my person. And I dated a couple people like,

for a period of time, but. So he's sitting at the restaurant in West Hollywood. We are, liquored up. It's a, it's a Ukrainian restaurant. How do you guys, one of those restaurant where every vodka shot is flavored? They have their own infused vodka. But, you were constantly eating. We drank a lot and that's why I was out. That's not true. I was smoking cigarettes at that. At dinner that night I told Nick, I was like, I'm, I'm tired of this.

I want to meet. I want to meet my person. 30 minutes later, I walked down the street and that's why he says he's a better manifester than me. So you walk past the street and you see her. Nick, we were, like I said, we were liquor-up. Nick was ready to go home. Yeah. And I'm like, we're not done.

We've got to go out. We got to go somewhere. And he's like, where are we going to go? We're in the worst part of West Hollywood for us to like go and meet chicks. And her and her friend walked by. I was like, we're going wherever they're going. He says, we're going wherever they're going. I think that guy's really, like I just give you a little look.

I think you're really cute. But I'm like, Lena's never, my friend Lena that I'm with. I was like, she's never going to stop and talk to Nip. So we keep walking. I step into the street. Eddie's right behind me. He's run and he's cut up to me. And he's like, oh, so we're, you walked very quickly.

I have long legs. He walks quickly to meet me. I step into the street. He goes, oh, so we're jaywalking now. And then what did I say? I said, oh, I said, it's okay. I'm with my attorney. Because Elaine is an attorney.

She was my attorney at the time. I was like, it's okay. I'm with my attorney. And you're like, so you'll pay for my jaywalking ticket? And I'm like, no, you'll pay for ours. Yeah. And then you're like, can I buy you a really cute banter? And we were on opposite size because I didn't jaywalk.

Right. You did two jaywalk. You never? You followed me into the street. On the crosswalk. Are you sure? A thousand percent. You're sure?

I will get the CCTV. On the crosswalk. So you bought me a drink. Yeah. And then I kept, again, I was liquored up. How quickly did you flick that cigarette away when you turned to? I noticed it. I'm sure I finished it while I was using it.

I don't know. And you don't remember. It's the grace of God I didn't see it. It was down at his side because I'd have been like, ooh. It would have been fine. I don't know. I don't know if I would have talked to you. Anyway, so we're standing in Laurel Hardware and we're and our two friends don't want to be talking.

They're both trying to leave. but we can't stop talking to each other. And then we realize we have a mutual friend. One of his close friends from high school. So he moved here from the Ukraine when he was four. But he grew up in, what's that party town called? El Pasas? No, you went to Calibasas.

But you grew up in Woodland Hills. So I asked him where he went to high school. He says Calabasas. We realized his close friend from high school is like my neighbor in Malibu. So I grabbed my phone. I'm like, Amber, I take a picture with Eddie. I'm like, I'm with Eddie at a bar. She's like, oh my God, he's so cute.

fun have so much fun tell me how it goes you should make out with him which is good because had she said like get away creep right so i had run like a check really quick that he's like a good guy they got she responded fast she did god but then she turned out she was she knew that i was single and wanted to so maybe we would have met one way or another we also had the same massage therapist on that app where you book massages oh right right right i don't think that would have happened you don't think the most there but it seems like universes were somehow aligned maybe it worked out No, it didn't. I also remember I was about to leave on a flight for Europe.

This was the January before we met. We met in August. I had this weird feeling that my person was coming. It was the first time I had ever felt this like, no, they're coming. It's time. And that's when your marriage fell apart. So wait, you moved here from the Ukraine when you was four. I was four and a half when we moved here.

Legacy builders. My grandfather was in construction. My father was in construction, all in the Soviet Union in Ukraine. And I, for better or worse at that time of my life, ended up falling in their footsteps. And I still do it now. We specialize in Finnish carpentry. Pre-COVID, we were almost exclusively hospitality, pretty much every landmark hotel in L.A. Every piece of wood in Beverly Hills Hotel, Hotel Ballet.

Where else? A lot of them. Just name them. Brag on yourself. Take it from my playbook. It's your playbook. It's your play. It's not my play.

I'm fine. We will be laying in bed at like a five-star hotel and he'll be telling me how he did the ceiling or whatever. The only, the only interesting thing to people. That's cool. We had a period of our, we had a period where we did break up after our initial meet cute. Yes. And then we reconnected. We reconnected.

And, but we were not together. I told her, I was like, I don't know what this is. I just know I want you to be in my life. But we need to become friends first. It was intentional from my standpoint because I, I felt you can't have a relationship without a foundation. And when we first met, it was just fucking fire. Like so in love, so far.

It was too much. So we kind of needed that break. Yeah. To get our shit together. But during the break, I knew she was dating. I knew she was dating like crazy. And she did a selfie in the bathroom at the Belar Hotel, which is one of the hotels that we did.

But I knew he was watching my Instagram. I was intentionally going on dates and having like a guy's hand by the chakouterie. I was doing a lot of that. This is the only time I ever commented, though. I, I DM'd her pretty quickly after, somehow. Immediately after I posted. Yeah. And I said, how does it feel to be surrounded by my wood?

He said, how does it feel to be surrounded by my wood? While she's at. Because he built that bathroom. And I was like, what the? But that was July 4th. I was on a July 4th date at Hotel Belair, which was so random. But I met your kids on July 13th. So it didn't take long.

What makes your relationship work as well as it does? What makes our relationship work as well as it does? frankly I think we've lived a fucking life before we met true this would not have worked earlier to your point about how the universe was meant we were in before the show you and I were talking about the first time I went to Israel she was in Jerusalem at the same exact time was in my early I was a teacher assistant at the Hebrew University and we could have crossed paths was doing birthright and I'm not even Jewish like I just had a Jewish professor at us to me who loved me and brought me with her this there was there's an element

of like this needed to cross paths. We, I would say, yes, by time I met you, I was ready. I was ready to have kids. You already having kids was not a detriment at all. I was down. I was ready. It was not a thing to me. I wanted.

She was like, I'd rather have a baby than a ring. I'm like, let's have some more babies. Yeah, I wanted to go ahead and have babies. I wanted to stepmom, your kids, like our kids. I like, I had traveled the world. I had done everything I wanted to do. So like I don't have it. And because.

what we said of like you'll never you would never hold me back like I just feel very free and happy inside my relationship like I feel very grounded and anchored I had no anchors for years no relationship anchors no I was nomadic for years I didn't even have a home in America so like from a relationship sample I can put it into a simple simplest terms we both value each other's independence yeah also valuing our relationship and our in our home like he just went to the french alps for like seven days to do a festival thingy and I was like go live your best life. It was his bachelor party. I was like I will

handle all four children. What was the hardest part about watching your guys' relationship portrayed on this show in terms of any ways that you guys felt it was misrepresented? So let, do you want to do it first? Sure. I mean, we know why he's asking it. You go first.

It's the financial gap and how it got spoken. about on the show and then ultimately how also got portrayed. And one of the reasons why I agreed to come on and even do any of this is it was like, frankly, it's a bigger issue, I think, just about masculinity in general and how men have such a tight tie between their financial ability to their masculinity to their worth in general.

And I just don't. You don't play that way. Where does your man have come from? Being a father and being a partner and being a protector above all. Now, that being said, her statement that did get used on the show of the I make more in a month than he makes me here. Still puts me in the top 5% of individual. No, that's 5%. You Googled it?

I didn't want Reddit to. You guys, he's still in the top 5%. As an individual. Sure. And I've had years where I'm talking about your company. You're talking about personal. Personal. Yeah.

And but I've had years where we had, I have made more than that. And frankly, I tell her all the time, I was like, I know where I'm going and I know what I'm going to achieve. And I can't wait for the time where even your income will just not matter. And I can just be like, go do whatever the fuck you want to do and use my money. Like I look forward to that. But that's not, that has nothing to do with my manager. that intention to take care of me, like, is through our entire life. The only legacy we actually have, I could make a hundred times more.

I could be a billionaire. It doesn't matter. Our children are our only actual legacy, not our businesses. Even if our children take over our businesses, the children are still the legacy. And they don't remember that. They remember the experiences. They remember being supported. They remember being loved.

They remember being strict when we need to be strict and discipline. They remember all of that. My kids, we were, I was driving home, we were driving home from Newport yesterday, and Shoshan was asking me questions about this camping trip. I'm taking Amanda and the little's camping for the first time. She's never been camping. And I don't do. I won't have cell service for like four days.

Yeah, it's going to be great. So everyone would be really concerned. And but my older kids have been camping with me a bunch of times. And she was like asking me, dad, are you going to, are you going to make Pidmanee? It's like Russian pot stickers, dumplings. She's like, are you going to make people? be Mandy the first night like you always do like the fact that she's got they have these callbacks they have memories yeah yeah to that stuff of of me dadding them is more important to me than anything

than any amount of toys or whatever I can buy them they're not going to remember the Nerf gun that they got for Christmas they're going to remember the trips the experiences yeah that's what they're going to remember yeah I think that's great and I think honestly I feel like you guys don't even have to defend you saying that in a way because everybody was so appalled that I wasn't like freaked out about I'm like I don't fucking care I mean I think you would have preferred I could have

find a different phrase yes but like it also but why though did it annoy you because like what people were saying or I think you felt like the phrase reduced our relationship down to something it gave it gave

ammo it gave it gave him something food for the fodder you know like everybody now is like clicking onto that I'm like and it's just out there now forever yeah the way these things live. Yeah, but I feel like, I mean, thanks for sharing that.

And honestly, like, as a new dad, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, like, you know, like what I started this show back in 2019 before I ever met Natalie and I never anticipated her being on the show the way that she is. But like, we work so well, because then we were talking about this like a week ago. But like we just were like we really are a team. We just do it all together. And we like share in the response. of work and parenthood and and we just we really just share it all and to your point as a is a dad like the idea of taking care of my people is the most

rewarding aspect of my life and that's the thing in bravo we don't really bravo loves a very traditional like man woman dynamic and they're not going to get that from us and yeah and like you know there's a lot of there's a lot of poor representation from men in bravo world totally So I think people wanted to assume that he was either taking advantage of me or like being a bum. It was like a stay at home dad. Like there was like no space for us to be like, okay. I get so tired of the, I was at breakfast with, we alternate sleep in days on Saturdays and Sundays. She sleeps in on Saturdays.

I sleep in on Sundays and we take, we. The other one takes the four kids out. And I took the kids to breakfast in the morning. And I was having a great time. We were eating breakfast and this smaller family. Everyone's smaller than next. Exactly. They were sitting across.

and the dad goes like, oh, daddy daycare today, how I'm like, no, I'm just at breakfast with my kids. Yeah.

I don't, I don't get that stuff. Totally. And when the dads are like, I got babysitting duty to that. Yeah, it drives me,

it drives me, it drives me nuts. You're just parents. Yeah. But this is really, this is really important to me to say this really quick because this is something

that I've talked to some of your friends, like Tilia and I have talked a lot about this. And I think it's a major issue with generally our, our, culture and it has been for a long time.

You probably know, I know a lot of instances of guys who have unfortunately taken their lives over the past several years. And there's such a tight-knit, like, connection between that and their financial status. You know, if your entire idea of manhood and being able to provide for your family is tied to your financial well-being and how much money you can make, when shit hits the van, which inevitably does for everybody in some capacity, you're left with nothing. At that event we were out last week,

they were telling us about a guy who just committed suicide and left all his kids. And it was because he had declared bankruptcy and didn't tell anyone. Right. Yeah. I could lose it all tomorrow. And frankly, I'm going through a hard time

in business right now, trying to change a lot of things. When I come home, there's no wavering in the man that I am with my family. No, never. And can I also say like This is just It's just so silly

Like I would say to every woman like Do what you love Find a way to get paid for it Make the money you want to make And then marry who you want to marry because you like them You know like can't we marry people because we love them I like I didn't have to think I was not thinking about how much money people made

This mindset is it a reflection of How your parents were or is this Your mom weren't Oppos Very hard working a household. I mean, they had a camera and start from nothing. Considering what my parents went through, they were insanely present.

Like, they could have been way less. Through my own work and therapy and experiences, I just have had the ability to have a lot of hindsight and look back on ultimately other father figures while my dad is still super present in my life. You know, coaches through water polo, people who got like, the best out of me and and I've always known I wanted to be a dad from a very very very young age and so I had a bit of a lens like growing up through high school and college of friends dads coaches my dad being and like almost picking choosing being like I see how my friends talking about how his dad treated him

today at practice right or whatever and I and I just formulated all of that and then losing ultimately a a battle, right, with my divorce because I was not, I did not just, like, give up. I fought for it. I wanted to make it work. Divorce was a four-letter word. I never thought I would be the man. You could ask any of my friends. I was never the guy that anybody thought that was going to happen to. And then the last bit of it was COVID. COVID stripped everything away. You can't send your kids to school. I'm in an essential industry, right? We had to keep working. I had to figure out how to work from home and remote all of a sudden for the first time while being immunocompromised. Everybody's getting COVID.

My mom's in the hospital and having to parent it all at the same time. I'm just like, I remember this like switch flipped and I just started buying stuff for the kids to have fun. I was like, I'm going to make COVID a fucking core memory for them. Yeah. And they, and they did. We were outside all the time and that was like the final culmination. How old are the four kids? 10, 8, almost 4 and 2.

Okay. Almost 11, almost nine. Stop. Oh, Shana's not allowed to be almost nine. I met her on her third birthday. She's not allowed to be almost nine. Were you surprised entering Housewives world? Did you think he would be more warmly received as a successful woman entrepreneur?

The success of it, yeah. Because in my world, in personal development, it's like she did everything right. She has integrity. She built up this audience. Like, she delivers what she says she will. Like, I'm very. well respected in what I do. It is still very confusing to me. Like also why aren't we mad at Tony Robbins? I think some people are. Oh. Everyone's got haters. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't. I thought there

would be business questions. I thought it'd be kind of like how most people in my industry, anyone with an online or e-commerce business, like our moms don't always know what we do. And it's kind of a joke that like it's a thing. Our moms have known how to explain it or whatever. I think it's a thing. Our moms have known how to explain it or whatever. I think it's a lot of millennials, I guess, and all online or tech spaces probably have that. I thought it'd be like that. Like, I don't know what word to use for it, or I don't understand how the courses are delivered, or what do they watch you talk about? I didn't think it would be manifestation as a scam,

money mindset is a scam. Like, I didn't think that. The comments that Bose made about you saying that his children weren't your, that whole, That's stupid. They did the flashback at the reunion. Did that cause any issues with?

Between us? No. Yeah. Not at all. What was this specific comment? Okay. It went like this. She called them.

She called all of our kids her kids. I said, I have four kids. And she said, oh, and I explained it. I was like, Liam and my stepchildren and la-da-da-da. And she's like, oh, so they're his kids. I, you cannot tell me they are his kids when I dedicate my life to. them. Like it is so insulting to me the idea that they are not my children and his ex-wives agrees. They are my kids. They are all of our kids. We are all raising them. She has no issues with this.

Like I think Bose thought that like she was going to be kind of getting into something that most people would agree with and some people do. But also it's 2026 and there are a lot of blended families that have a lot of different things worked out. And it like the idea that they're not my kids that I It's preposterous. Well, and it's hurtful. Yeah. You know? I say it's an interesting conversation because I can't relate to your guys' experience.

We only, we, it's our first kid. So it's like, interesting because like when a beau says something like that and I'm watching it, I probably would relate more to her point of view than yours. Yeah. But once I say, I'm raising them. They're my kids too. What else is there to talk about? And so then in her interview and she says, I don't know about this two mama stuff.

There's one mama and it's me. I'm like, okay, well, my kids up too moms. She may have that perspective in her situation, right? But one of the main reasons why we got together is, frankly, Liam and Shosh were at the top of my priority list of dating. She's the only woman that ever met them at all. And if it wasn't what it was, I just would have stayed single. Did you ever offline with Bose about that conversation where you were like, yeah, that really was upsetting? No, I mean, she did tell me, I don't think it made the cut, but she mentioned once, you know, wanting her daughter to have a close relationship with Keely and wanting to, like, foster that for them.

And she asked my opinion about that at our first lunch. And I was like, I think you let them know. I think you let them know that it's like okay with you for them to be close and for her to be like a dad to him. So like in that sense, I think she could probably see what it is to raise a. kid and become another mother figure. I mean, the thing is, this is the thing I'd really want to say. We've, we never told the kids what to call me. They invented the name, Smama. Like, they could have called me Amanda. They invented a name. It was cute. We ran with it. And there were many names before Smama Stama. Mama. Mama, dingo, mama. I know. It's mama, ding down mama.

These are all mostly from Liam. Yeah. So eventually it's mama stuck and they ran with it. So I never told them what to call me that's one two i never told them i am your mom i am your other mom that's how they interpret their lives i've heard i've heard them explain it to their peers like well what do you mean they're both my mom amanda's my stepmom like they don't like this is the life they live so i like i didn't force like the comments and the rhetoric is somehow like i've manipulated these children somehow all i did was take care of them you know pick out their summer camps, stock their closets, make their lunch, volunteer at their school.

Disney's, ugly, you know, horrible stepmom stuff. I don't like. The evil stepmother stuff sucks. I think stepparents are probably a really under-supported, misunderstood population. It takes a lot to parent children that you are not obligated to parent that you choose every day.

It's a very conscious daily decision. Are there any of your castmates trying to convince you to come back? Who do you think I'm talking to? You haven't talked to? anyone post reunion. I think Kathy.

Okay. I haven't asked Kathy what she thinks. That's not what we were talking about when I saw her. We were talking about the read the room and know your place thing. And who, if you don't come back, is other than Kathy, who do you think you will have some kind of relationship with? I'm sure I would always be friendly with Kyle. I think I'd always be friendly with Jennifer. I think, I don't know.

I think almost everyone, if I saw them out of the context of the show, we'd be able to say hello to each other in a way that's. Have you been following the Doreet divorce and foreclosure stuff that's... I try not to, but Threads keeps telling me. I think Threads knows that I'm secretly interested. What are your thoughts, feelings, and opinions on it? I think, I don't know. You did say on the show that she outsourced her financial demand. I know.

Listen, what I said to her at that lunch was like, okay, what's invested, what's in retirement, what's going on? I was trying to understand how much understanding she. she had of her finances, which when I teach this, it's called intimacy with money. It's just really knowing what's going on with your money. It's really important, especially for women, because women will turn a blind eye to it. And she didn't know. I mean, I think it's just really obvious that, like, if you're not sure if the mortgage is getting paid, call the mortgage company. Like, and if the mortgage isn't getting paid, even if it's supposedly your ex's responsibility, if you want to save the home, like pay the mortgage and spend less on designer

clothes. Now that the designer clothes receipt has come out of the 70 something at Louis Vuitton and the 30th, whatever. And I loved a shop, but I would never not pay my mortgage, right? I don't know, but it seems like she thought that if the mortgage stopped being paid and she was

making her best efforts to work, like we all see her working more, getting the book to whatever, that he would just look bad for not paying his family's mortgage. But I think everyone looks bad. Yeah. I think everyone looks bad. Well, we love finding good deals. Even more, we love getting rewards for things that we're going to buy anyways.

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and I thought we could have an easier time renovating it into something that would make us money, I think I would absolutely consider buying it. This would be great for a season two for the storyline. No, I like it more of the headline. Money queen buys house, and then I never come back and they never see me again. Isn't that more interesting?

So we pivot to our renovation show. And then we get a renovation show. And then HGTV calls. With a spiritual component. That's our destiny. And it's renovating to read. You staging all. Wiping away her memories.

Oh my God, I stage everyone. I have the Palosanto. I'm like, say your affirmation before we start the day. No? Sit on it. We'll get our pitch together. Sit on it. It's in and it's really modern.

It's really like what they were, what they were. It's what they were doing at that very specific time. Like every house in Encina looks. Right. Modern farmhouse. Yeah. I don't think it would be a fun renovation for us.

No. Do you think she thought like the court of public opinion mattered in divorce proceedings or how the bank would make a decision on whether they foreclosed? Do you think she is that kind of? I don't think she knows how any of that works. I think, I don't know. I just, I think she wants, I think she wants him to look bad. And I think she wants everyone to side with her because he stopped being the provider or whatever.

But like. None of that matters. You got to pay your. I just, you got to pay your bills. I just, I don't know. Another thing that's kind of weird because like I don't think PK ever looked good to any. Right. The audience members.

And it's just surprising to hear that that was top of mind for her. And what it feels like as an outsider as a fan is that in the pursuit of making her, ex look bad. She's making herself look worse. Totally. And then when kids are involved, it's very quick for everyone to be like, wait, but what about the kids? And you have, you see these parents. And then like they release the text between the daughter, which should be illegal. You should be able to release child texts. But the daughter's just saying like, take us on vacation. And like, so that we imagine that means the conversation

in her home is like your dad won't, isn't providing for us to do these things. Like, that has consequences to a young mind, you know, and how they're perceiving their parent. Like, yeah, releasing text messages between you and your 10-year-old daughter is... Like, yeah, you shouldn't. I mean, paparazzi aren't allowed to take pictures of us if we have our kids with us. You can't release... I shouldn't think you should release child conversation.

Is that true? They seem to do that anyways. Once upon a time, they used to be able to, but I think there's been a lot of, like, I think Jennifer Garner, like, let up the stop taking pictures of my kids thing. And I don't think they can anymore. I was told that even if the stroller, is anywhere in the shot,

they can't take the picture anymore. I don't know if that's true. Like they can't sell it? They can't put it on a getting. I mean, you're like to get the kid to sign off. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think they can. Wow.

In California. Did you see Bose calling Andy out after the reunion? Mm-hmm. I thought the look on his face, because I was sitting right there, the look on his face when he said, really?

Was someone who was confused? Not someone who was questioning her success as a woman. I don't know. I thought he liked confused. And I've always been a big Bose fan, but in that moment, I watched her video. She made less sense to me. And I think people kind of, you know, like... I think they got tired of her correction videos because it just seemed like there were so many of them.

But a CMO, maybe they are the scapegoat of the C-suite in corporate finances. But I don't think they're, the way she explained it was like it's some sort of like temporary consulting game. Yeah. What's that called a fractional? She was saying it almost like a fractional CMO position. I think she's making more sound like high level gig work. Like they're on a, there's a term. They're here.

They revive the company and they move along. When he said really, I think he was just confused. But then I think that he won't mind the call out because the call out brought a lot of attention to the show. And that's his priority. Yeah. I don't think the call out is going to upset him. Do you think Bose like maybe got too comfortable? Because she had like a really successful rookie season.

She was pretty much unanimously loved and adored. And no one really questioned anything about her background, her business. And then you came in and you seem to be this other kind of independently wealthy woman who's making money. And you seem to have her attention and kind of attacking you. Do you feel like her perspective on how she approaches going forward will change? You feel like maybe she learned a tough lesson by going after you, only for people to then kind of look at her business? I mean, well, that's like karma and it's like truest form.

Like any energy you direct is going to be directed back at you. So I don't think it's shocking that she like tried to find things out about me. And in turn it made people be like, well, like what about you? Like, why is all this about her bothering you? I've seen a lot of like, why does she trigger? Why does it make her trigger her so bad? Like, what is this really about? I mean, I don't know.

I think it would probably felt really great. to be a very successful person and then have a very successful first season and it probably feels like shit to have everyone question you but like I don't know what's the saying about dishing it and taking it and the spoon how's it go she can dish it out but she can't take it

doesn't know what it is something like that I don't know if there's spoon involved I think as a child my Mimi's husband always said that I always pictured a spoon in my head there's a spoon yeah scale of one to ten

10 being I'm back, one being zero chance. Where would you say you are today? Don't look at me. I know my answer. I would say you go first. Only because of Riri. I'd say like one and a half. Oh, Riri just took you from a zero to a one?

Yeah. I thought you took you from like a three to like a nine. No, that's just how much I love Riri. No, like one and a half. You really don't want to do it. You really don't think I should do it. No. Yeah.

Well, let me say this. Like, you know, my sleep back. Your sleep. Do you think... Nights we spent up talking about this stuff? Do you think that now that you've filmed, you've lived it, you've put all of that energy

into it after the show, do you think there's a version of you that would be able to film, let it air, let people have their narratives, run with them? Could I compartmentalize better, especially? I think so. I think so. But I happen to know that some people who've been in it

for a very long time have had anxiety. about it every single year and still do you know. I mean, listen, it's an impossible, I think I'm as good as anyone at compartmentalizing. Yeah, in this gig. And, but I'm never perfect at it. And it does. Some days you carry it.

Yeah, you know, not some days, almost every day. And it's honestly, How are you in your social media? Rarely, if any. I mean, like, I'm pretty good at that. But like just having to do the show, talking with people like Amanda, interviewing people, in the reality TV space,

like it's hard not to get caught up in the fray. We try not to, you know, but when you're talking about people's favorite characters and things like that. So, like, if you say something negative about Bose, when everyone's loving her, now you can be caught up in a whole drama. That'll get clipped.

And I can say, like, love bills, love X, Y, Z. I didn't really get this. That's good for your show. Sure. I mean, it's hell, but it's good for your show theoretically. Isn't that what you're balancing in this? Yeah, and I kind of chalk it up as hazard pay.

It's like it's kind of it's it comes with the gig, you know? It's like I have to like do the conversation with my therapist about like there's no, I used to be an accountant. I used to have a real job. This is so much better. Like, you know, like we're very lucky to what we have. But I have to like, there are aspects of this gig that like I would much rather do without. And yeah, it does. Yeah.

You can never master it. You can only just control it. You have good days. You have bad days. You know. And I mean, you said it perfectly. I mean, because that's how I think about things. Like, where is my energy going?

That is, like, my religion about, like, it is not this in, like, this is not, like, people think so much about our thoughts and how it's just, like, unlimited. We, you know, like, no, like, you're either thinking about this, you're either thinking about that. You're either doing this. You're either doing that. And, like, how much of your energy is caught up in the person you used to date versus the person you're trying to date or, like, the job you used to, you know.

And it's, it is a very costly thing that most people. people don't even like recognize even to consider. So the fact at least, I will say the fact that you are aware of that is an advantage you have if you do want to move forward because at least you have a chance at controlling it. I did tell her, although I said no to her at that dinner and everything, I have zero issue with her being on camera and being in the limelight and all of that. I mean it's big as I want to be.

I was like, I just don't think this thing is the right vehicle. We get a lot of. like that. A lot, a lot of DMs of like, we love you on TV. This is the wrong show. Or like, you're clearly made for TV, but why the hell did you pick housewives? Like, I see a lot of that. Yeah, but I think you'll get that with wherever you go. But okay, listen, if my like ethos, if my like thing is building women up and empowering women and making them look and feel their best and believe in themselves the most. And if I've dedicated my whole life to that and housewives is sitting at a table to tear each other down and to get dirt on each other to try to make an

interesting show. Like, you're going to have a hard time stooping low. I mean, I'm going to have a hard time stooping low, but I'm also going to sit at those tables and be like, yeah, I hear you. So that's, I think, when my audience is like, this is a really weird format for you. How has housewives helped or hurt your actual business? This is what makes me kind of want to come back. So one thing I'm great at is pivoting. My whole career, I've been a really, really good pivoter. Like, I'm really good at like looking at my, I can like read, I can't read the room on Housewives, but I can read the room in my community. I just noticed over the past like two years, year and a half, I don't know, a while that

our low cost offers were doing really, really, really, really, really, really well, right? Like for a long, long time now, we'll get a lot more people in an $11 thing than a free thing. So that's just been in the back of my head. Then during Housewives, I'm looking at the comment section going, these people have no basis for spirituality. They have no, they have no like foundation for understanding manifestation or like just a minute ago when you're talking about energy and thoughts like create. Like that's a principle that I thought most of the planet had and they don't. So I'm looking at the comment section thinking, what can I create for these people? And then I'm thinking it's to be easier for a braver person to take a chance on a low cost thing than a high cost thing.

All of this ruminates. So through while we were filming, I released a couple like a training about protecting your energy. I released something like that for like $5. Like I was just been playing with stuff. Anyway, it all accumulated. And I did a $21 thing called the abundance timeline where they got a module every day for 21 days. And it was on like manifestation and what you think about and your self-talk and really how to create your life. And five, over 5,000 people joined a $21 thing.

Wow. And I don't think I would have had those numbers without housewives. I think that was a lot of people kind of in the housewives periphery. girl going, let's just see what she's about. Now I have all these really happy people. My vision was, what if I give them something they can start their day with every day for 21 days? How would that change their life? Right. And now we know 5,000 plus people are doing that. Like, that makes me want to do another season. Because if I could do that to 15 or 20,000 people at once, then I feel like my work is doing what it's meant to do. She definitely cares. Like money aside, you know, listen,

I'm really good at making money. I can make money a whole bunch of ways. I could sell it another mastermind, whatever. I can make money a bunch of different ways. But like my favorite way to make money in the past several years was this. Was the 5,000 people in a $21 thing that's so much more interesting and fulfilling to me than anything I've done in a long time? So like, I think housewives help facilitate it. And I was just thinking, I need to have my team run the numbers of how many of those people were new.

So I have more raw data. But my sense in the comments is like, We have a lot of new housewives people just kind of interested. And then they're like saying stuff like the way I'm talking to myself is so much kinder. I feel so much better. And I'm like, praise God. This is like what I want to do. You know?

Eddie, who do you need to DM Amanda to get you back to a 10 if Rui didn't do it? There's no one higher than Rihanna. There's nobody higher. It really only took you to one and a half. Not even like five. No, definitely not about it. Wait, wait, wait. You said you didn't want to film anymore if I did it again.

Did Riont, knowing that Rihanna is watching you. Baby. Rihanna is watching you. No. Rihanna watching you doesn't make you want to film. No. If the producers say, hey. She didn't slide into my DMs.

I can ask. I can ask her to. If the producers say, Amanda, that's part of the gig. Like your families are on the show, you will do it for me? Yeah. Thank you. I what I specifically told you that I would check out as much as possible from is she might get pissed on me for this the repeat discussions and drama and emotional let go like you're tired of my OCD brain heruminating just the same I'm like they don't they don't care about this as much as you do let's get over but I just couldn't make it make sense you know and I was just trying to make it make sense does she have conversations? with herself in the backyard.

No, I do. Is that your, is that your version of your narrative? Not in the backyard. She's. No, but I journal. Yeah. You can tell, you can, that cycle that I was talking about, you can, you can very quickly tell like what phase she's in.

There's like it introverted. I'm thinking, I'm thinking, how do I, how does this actually make me feel? Before that, it'll be the emotional element of it where she's just like venting to me and there'll be sometimes there's tears involved. A lot of times there's tears involved. Not that that's an issue. And then I have a perfect way to say this. I've called her a data horror forever.

She loves, she needs data. She needs statistics. When we were dealing with pregnancy, when we're dealing with the NICU, when we're dealing with literally everything, when she doesn't have the information, she needs, she wants the information. But then I want to decide that it doesn't matter and I can do it. Right. But that's, but that was part of that process. Every week, she'd be trying to get the information just so she could figure out exactly

how she feels on it because she can't make rash decisions on it. It's really hard to know it to make a housewives world because if we're looking at people from housewives in the abundance timeline that I'm thinking what a blessing. If I'm looking at people from housewives and Reddit that I'm thinking like this is the worst thing I've ever could have done to myself. You know? And housewives created both. That's probably why people go back over and over though. Like the, I think the attention is really interesting and really compelling the people stopping on the street. Like the spotlight I think hooks people in.

and then I think if you have a business and it's affecting you positively, I think it probably gives people. Yeah. I mean, and Bravo has a very great and dedicated and loyal audience and a very successful audience for the most part. What did you think of Sutton saying

she found out that you took a $2 million loan out? Baby, do I have I taken a $2 million loan out? We have a normal mortgage. We have a normal, like in a lot of ways, we're just like everybody else, We don't want to sell the house. We have a fucking insane. Yeah, I got a great rate.

I don't want to give it up. Like, we're talking about it like when we end up moving down to Newport. We're like we want to rent the house potentially because we don't want to give it up the same way. I think I'll like I think we'll make more money long term if we hang on to that house and put renters in it eventually. Anyway, that's a side point. There's no till million dollar loan. But like there's a lot of stuff about how why doesn't she own her house free and clear? Because it makes more money in the stock market.

Like, are you crazy? Like if I were to pull money out of investments and pay off the house, I wouldn't win. 2.6% I think 2.7% interest rate on our mortgage. 4. Something. We're in the fours. So Eddie's a 1.5. What are you? Huh? Coming back out of 10. Sounds like it's going up and up.

It does sound like it's going up. So there's days where I'm like just living my life or whatever. Sorry that I can't answer a straight question. But there's days that I'm just like living my life. And I think of something that like would make sense to say it, one of those dinners and I'm like you know I could say that I could say that clearly and I could say it's so much stronger now because I know more about how this goes and like I can do it and then like later if I'm on the internet or something and I just see a bunch of nonsense I'm like what is this

like I have a hard time not looking at it like energetically like it feels and looks like this tangled sticky spinning web it's like a very weird world yeah so you're a 10. There are days where I'm a three. I think I maybe get up to like a, and then there's days I get up to like a six that I could do this again. Is there a world?

I mean, I've always thought that reality TV is not for married couples. And this fact that it does nothing but like create friction and drama when marriages are supposed to about finding. All the real housewives are all divorced me. Does that too. Do we have real housewives? Because I don't know the other franchises.

Do we have some that are like Kyle and Maricio's who everyone really loved them together but are still together? Yeah. We have many. Yeah. I think you survive. If you make it through, I think you've done a lot of. I think you have to have really thick skin because you have, okay, one, you're protective over me. So there was months where I wasn't consuming anything.

Like, let's be real here. I have very thick skin. Yeah, there were months where I'm reading nothing and he's reading everything. He knows every narrative about me. So he like, you're dealing with that. And they're dealing with the things that they say about you. And like... The stuff they said about me had no impact. And I was only in looking at things for you.

No, there was like a period of time where you were processing, whatever it was. Yeah, yeah. But I was what I said earlier about how you need your data. I was there as trying to be another. Because you have your team that can phrase things and give you information in a certain way. And I can also step back, I feel like better sometimes in your team and be like, this is how I kind of feel like everybody's looking at. Would you do that again if she were to go back?

Or would you try to get your algorithm back to like water polo and building and cars? It's been hard, but my alga's back. Your algorithm's back? Yeah. Did you have to say not interested in a lot of houseback? No, honestly, the bachelor party fixed it all. It's just nothing but music content. So it's like finally back.

Oh, that's good. I think it's really hard on relationships because even though we've been basically fine, like there was a chunk of time where I was processing what it was for me and you were processing what it was for you. And it wasn't like easy on us. Yeah. You know? I don't anticipate. like getting any sort of stardom out of this thing,

so I don't think that's going to be an element of it. Like, I'm not going to be the husband of real housewives going on. Right, going on dancing with the stars or something. The fact that he's Instagram is like not is kind of appealing to me. Who would you trust the least going into if you were to go back? We know we can't trust Bose now, you know? I think she was pretty determined to make me look bad. Do you think there's any regret on her end?

Or do you think there's a deeper feeling towards you? Well, she apologized to me at the reunion. I thought it was a sincere apology. And she apologized in one of her post-episode real moments. I mean, I don't know. Is she motivated by public opinion? I don't know. What is her motivation?

Is she motivated by public opinion? I don't think she's there to make friends. Okay. Anything we haven't been able to ask, Amanda, any of that we want to before we send them on their way or anything you didn't get asked? you're good man i love you thank you for um supporting me and all the crazy things i do you're welcome and i really i mean thanks for coming man i i i really enjoy i don't get to talk to as many men as i do women

and love to have my women guests but like also just like i'm in my fatherhood era yeah i really like hearing about men like you yeah that's my please don't show up in my dms now who anybody no that's the handos the dad the dad for like i went When she did your show last time and she came back and was asking me some questions about that clip, the financial thing, I was like, I've never cared, but like I would like to go in some sort of form to fucking say this. And I was like. It's sad. I know multiple people that have ended their lives as a result. I've been in a very dark, dark, dark place as a result of it as well.

and I just think it needs to be talked about. There's more priorities. It's not our actual legacy. But yeah, I mean, you're speaking to the way the society almost reduces a man's value down to like what he makes. And that's why we were raising too.

You know, and we saw our dads just clock in, clock out both at work and at home. Totally. You know? And I think there's a reason why are we millennials? What are we called?

We're elder millennials. Elder millennials. Like we've changed. it. We're trying to be more present. And frankly, we're having the hardest time of any generation of men because we're trying to work. We're trying to dad. We're trying to be present.

Like women are providers now too and we're at home. Like, yeah, we're all in all of it. It's just not divided the way it used to. But I would argue as far as the emasculating idea, am I emasculating him by making more money and talking about it? Or are like the people sitting on those couches with me emasculating him by reducing

him down to that? That's what I was going to say. Because a lot of them are like, masculating. Like my, you know, my husband wouldn't have been okay with that. Oh, like.

Rachel said that. When I saw her say that, my immediate takeaway, like, first thought was like, then he's not secure in his, in his fatherhood, in his masculinity.

I don't care. We had to talk about that very early on. When we were first house shopping, when we were looking to a place to move in together. We had a, we had a budget.

I had told her how much I can afford to kind of put into it and contribute into it. And we were looking. And I was like, And a house popped up and I was like, I knew the address. I knew the area. I was like, this is going to be bad.

And when we pulled up, it was ridiculous. And I immediately thought, I was like, she's going to love this house. And I can't contribute in any meaningful way towards this level of rent. And I said it's fine. We had a talk. I got to lunch afterwards. And I very candidly and vulnerably, like, told her, I was like, I don't want to feel like I'm mooching off of you in any way. I don't want, I also don't want this held over my head in any way.

I will provide everything that I possibly can't provide. But if you want to live in this lifestyle, like, I don't need it. Yeah. Did you pay for that lunch? Yeah. Oh, we can't cut twice. I got to say, I got to say a couple things I forgot. Okay, me being the random winner, one, doesn't mean he doesn't work.

Two, doesn't mean that he would let me buy a dinner or a date. you obviously pay for dates, like, because duh, that's crazy. And have you seen the idea that I bought the ring? Okay, that doesn't bother you. That bothers me. Do you know why it bothers me? What? Because you got me like, he got me like the best ring, right?

And it, like, you had to save up for it. Yeah. You had to work to get me the ring. Yes. Right. I could have just gone and bought the ring, but that would have been meaningful. You wanted to give it to me. And that's like who you are as a man and as a person.

So that meant I had to wait longer for my ring. but I waited and I got the ring and I love that you bought it for me. You know what I mean? Did you have a helicopter drop you off for your wedding? Well, we had our courthouse wedding but our wedding is in October.

10, 10, 20 seconds. Is Rihanna invited? Because apparently she's not invited to Boz's wedding. Why is Rihanna not a motorbo's wedding? I saw something online. I don't know if it's accurate. Maybe it's fake news.

But it was like Rihanna was in the comments being like, I haven't received my invitation to Boz's wedding. Are they friends? Do they know each other? I don't know. It's just the invitation got lost in the mail.

It wasn't like a big thing. Okay. Or she says it got lost. Yeah, Rihanna can come. Absolutely. Yes. Rihanna, I'll get you a save the date.

Please get me your address. I would love to have you there. How do you feel about the helicopter? Are you fun of the helicopter? I don't really decided. We just circle back to that. I mean, I'll tell them what I told you when you first thought of it.

I was like, this is ridiculous. You want to come out on a horse. Only because you wanted to come out on a helicopter. It wasn't the helicopter, to be clear. What about your hair? She's been, exactly. Yeah, it's like so windy. The place where we're at, and I can't divulge because I'm like big on the venue is so beautiful.

I wanted to be a secret from everybody until they pull up. She can't fly in on a helicopter. We're getting ready at the venue. So the helicopter is going to come in. They're going to hear a helicopter. And they're going to helicopter me in. It seems to a much. It's just much.

And so when she said that, I was like, then I want a giant white horse and I want to come in on a horse. And she was like, okay, I was like, well, it's your day. Yeah. Do it every one. I really haven't decided. There's a lot to be done with wedding planning and I'm honestly very behind. I don't even have my dress. We know a great.

We know a great wedding dress designer. Really? She did a lot of dollars. C-I-N-Q, yep. Okay, I'm open. Okay. All the things. I'm supposed to say, to end us out, can you raise our audience's vibe in 30 seconds?

Can I raise the vibe? Yeah. Where's my camera? Ha-ha-ha. Okay. What's our topic? Just like hot ones. This is your...

Are we doing to say it with me? Like, you want them to repeat? I okay it's your this is your show now okay great wait this is the Francis Files I bet I can raise your vibe in 30 seconds let's go you are good enough

you are amazing you are here to do big things on the planet it doesn't matter what anyone says about you doesn't matter what they think it doesn't matter what stories you've been told it doesn't matter what your mom or your brother your pastor it doesn't matter what anyone thinks like you are the authority on your life and you can do great things

You can do great things, but you have to believe in yourself, and you have to show up every day, like who you are and what you do and what you're here to give matter. So show up, do your thing, live your life, make a fuck ton of money, have the best time and middle fingers to the haters. I love you. Thanks for listening. Goodbye. The Valve House is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing a budgeting game?

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