The Viall Files - E1143 - Love Island USA w/ Kaylor Martin. West Wilson FIRED? And Rhode Island's Dramatic Finale

Episode Date: June 16, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Wait… did you see the news? Is West Wilson NOT returning for next season of Summer House?! We get into all of your Pop Culture updates. From Lindsay Hubbard getting activated on Threads, Tyra Banks suing Netflix, Jessi Draper staging Paparazzi photos, to The Real Housewives of Rhode Island… And of course, everything regarding Love Island USA! "If you feel you need to test it, it probably wasn't that strong in the first place." Nick is on Substack! Subscribe here: https://nickviall.substack.com/subscribe  HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE? Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content? Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Wayfair: Patio season is here and these deals won't last! Head to https://www.Wayfair.com right now to get your outdoor space ready for way less.  Betterhelp: You don't have to say yes to everything this summer. Find support in therapy. Sign up and get 10% off at https://www.BetterHelp.com/viall.  Upwork: Visit https://www.Upwork.com right now and post your job for free. That is https://www.Upwork.com to connect with top talent ready to help your business grow.  Nanit: Head to https://www.nanit.com  Quince: Elevate your summer wardrobe. Go to https://www.Quince.com/viall for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too.  Reddit: Download the Reddit app today. To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro / Household Headlines 50:48 - Kaylor Joins / Love Island1:42:01 - RHORI / RHOA 01:54:16 - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @ciaracrobinson @kaylor.martin @justinkaphillips @the_mare_bare @baybaeee

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Still pregnant. Those heels are healing. They're from Amazon. I like them. They're literally 15 bucks on the I'm obsessed. I was telling Susie this the other day that like I think animal prints are going to come back. You did tell me that and yeah I think they are officially back. They're officially back. They're $15. They're $15 on Amazon. We're on a budget. We've got twins coming.

Yeah. I'm shopping on the link. Literally. No, but I think like deer print, dough print, you know, Oh, yeah. I said cow print is going to come back. Wait, what is dough print? Like, deer? It's like light brown with a little bit of white maybe.

But like faux, right? Because we don't want little bit of beer. Oh, folks. 100% foe. For sure. Yeah. Not Bambi. Yeah.

No, not Bambi. Yeah. No, I'm still pregnant. But we did have one baby. Flip. The wrong baby, the one that I don't need to be flipped. Oh, you're kidding. But she's flip.

Baby B. His head down, baby A, still up there in the ribs. And the other one's gonna flip? We're hoping she will. I'm still seeing my magician chiropractor who's... He got one.

He got one. I literally came back and I was like... Is it crazy? So we have the names picked out mostly because River really latched onto them. We really liked a couple names and then we're like, we're gonna try it out. Ask River if she could say the names.

She hasn't stopped saying the name. So we're... Now we're like... Love it. Repet. Yeah. Is it crazy? Now, one of the names is, you know, there's a, we have some family elements of the names.

One of the names has a family element for Natalie's family. One of the names has a family element for my family. And based off of the ultrasound pictures that we've gotten, we've already decided who's who. Which one? The one that looks most like River. Because the one that looks more like River, we've named after my family. I love this. Which is maybe crazy because they're based off of 40 ultrasounds that are, you know, mostly accurate.

But one does look a lot like rivers and the other baby looks like a Greek goddess. Could it change when they come out? If baby B comes out and looks more like River than you thought, then are you going to swap the names? I feel like we would have to, right? That's kind of what I've been saying this whole time is if baby B. B comes out and that's the one that has River's nose. Yeah. And she comes out and we're like, oh my God, it looks just like River did.

Like that's, it's got to be the right one. But also the other day, I was like, you know, after my dad passed, I was like, I really want to like incorporate something for him and the names, you know. And I was like, Nick, what if we did two middle names? And he was like, that just feels really. I have two little names, by the way. I love it. I do.

Yeah. What are they? Coniella Akvalli. So, Coniella was the Hawaiian name that my parents chose but Akvalli is my mom's maiden name. Love.

But I think the look of two middle names is cool because then you can like abbreviate it. So it's just in K.A. Hillips, you know, like so it sounds cool. Yeah. I think reconsider. I don't know.

But then Nick was like, well, every time we go somewhere, someone's like with River, they're like, oh, you know, what's her name? Nick's like River Rose. I'm like, yeah,

but once we have three kids, we're not going to be like given first in middle for each kid. If there is easy to say as River Rose, they might. But I really wanted to give the one that had, like, that was part of my family lineage, like the piece to my dad. And Nick was like, wow, you're really splitting them up. You're really drawing a heartline down.

One's your baby and one's my baby. It's very parent trap, you know, like in case we get one of those divorce. Yeah. When we'll move to London, live in the countryside. Have an accent. Yeah. Well, we have a great episode lined up for you. The iconic Kailor Martin from Love Island Season 6 joins us to talk all about Love Island.

Catch up with Kayla what's going on in her life these days. Obviously, she and the rest of the season six cast was so pivotal in the success that we are now seeing with Love Island. So it will be great to catch up with Kayla. Certainly get her insight on what's happening inside the villa. No one knows the behind the scenes better than obviously the cast members of themselves. So we're very excited to talk to Kayla. We also obviously have a crazy finale of the Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Boy, we love a camera pickup.

Love a camera pickup. I mean, really just kind of... With like a news anchor opening it up. A mugshot. Did anyone see... Did we know about this? I saw it, but I was confused. I really didn't.

I think I did see the mug shot of Brian, but I guess, I don't know. I just thought it was old. I honestly thought it was old. It looked old. Yeah, that's what I think I did do is because you saw it for a second and then it just kind of like disappeared. So you didn't really like hear anything about it. For him to be at that dinner table trying to sell the entire cast at this,

like yeah, I'll admit to it, but it's in the past and we're working on this marriage, only for him to cheat harder. Track your own wife just so you can know when she's showing up so that you can like hide the mistress underneath the desk is crazy. Some would say he's his ego and pride aside,

not her. Some would say, well, don't forget that Val Files Plus is available in ad free. In addition to ad free episodes, in Valfals Plus, you also get amazing content like a reality recap, deep dive. We get deep into all things Love Island. I think we talk about Sidney Sweeney and Scooter Braun dating. We also get into the impact of AI and how that's going to affect potentially the world going

forward. We have a fun, spirited conversation, and I hope that you guys all enjoy it. And if you want to go to ValfaS.com to sign up, you'll be glad that you did. Lots get into, but obviously with Love Island, we are catching up from episodes, lots of episodes the cover over the week and Bay out went home sadly. So sad. I know I actually, I really was not expecting that at all.

Like I expected Jen and Gabe to be paired up for America to do that, but I did not expect an elimination. And elimination. Yeah. Listen, Baya quickly became one of my favorites because she seemed to be like so emotionally grounded. And so like she just made so much sense. And I really,

every time she sat down with someone, I really, I really appreciated her because she seemed like the type of person who really cared about her peers and she seemed to be not, you know, things didn't get to her as much, but it may, you know, I don't know how much producers had to say in this, obviously with the votes, they, you know, behind the scenes, they're obviously navigating storylines and things like that. But on some level, it makes a lot of sense that maybe from a Love Island standpoint, producers felt like she was almost too emotionally mature and too grounded where they, she maybe wasn't giving them the reactions

that they wanted. And I wonder if that maybe played a role in her exit, because, she was almost like, you know, too secure with herself in a way that you, you know, is great from a human standpoint, but from a reality TV standpoint, it's like, oh, we would, can you give a tear? Right. She's a great role model, though. She is a great role model. And I will say, it's giving, like, Game of Thrones.

Your favorite character can die at any moment. And it's like, it's a way for the producers to show us, like, your votes count. Like, what you're doing, like, you can save your favorite people. and I think it gets people really emotionally invested. Like two heavy hitters went home like already. And it's just like, yeah, it's kind of like sick and twisted. But at the same time, like it gets me emotionally invested. I'm like, okay, well, I will download the app.

If you told us that Bay was going to be in the finale, I would have been like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. And the fact that she's the second when to go home is shocking. I know. I do have another substack that's coming out tomorrow. I hope you all enjoy it and read it and check it out. It's titled, Am I the Problem?

Obviously, I got the idea from Melanie. I think Melanie is one of the most important characters of this season. And the reason why is, like, I don't, things have happened so fast. But, like, it was the first or second episode where Melanie very just honestly, one of the most honest things you can say and admit. When she was like, you know, it was some version of like, I think people just get sick of me. Yeah. Like, such a vulnerable thing. And I don't know about you guys.

But like when she said that, like, I felt that in my chest. You know, I don't, you know, like, I have a type of personality. that like isn't always for everyone. And like throughout my life, I have like had versions of, you know, that's their problem, other people's businesses, other people's opinions of me and none of my business. But at some point, you know,

we sometimes have to face the feedback that is received to us. But like, we're a reason why I think Melanie is so important because in the first few episodes, we saw the whole character arc of hers because not only did Melanie say that, we quickly got to see from Melanie some examples of why maybe people in her past have gotten sick of her yeah and then we got to see Melanie sit down with with sincere and like here sincere like just

explained to her like what frustrated her and Melanie listened and she took accountability and she acknowledged it and she like faced it and that granted she's had those ups and downs but like that kind of to me a Melanie is going to be have more success in this world because yeah she you know feels and has sensitivity but she you know, is willing to hear people. Anyways, I wrote a whole substack about like just kind of that mental journey that we have to go through and like our personalities. What is our baseline of our personality versus like do, you know, that balance between having the confidence to like know who you are move forward and that balance of actually listening to the feedback that you get from people. Well, I'm curious.

I'm not trying to spoil the substack, but do you think people should change based on feedback from others? I think basically not to give anything away. I think it's a general balance. I think you have to like, you know, you have to find that balance in life of knowing when, listen, like, not everyone's going to like me. I can't, you know, like, there's the cook who like, well, like, or the person in a relationship that shows up and is like, what do you want? What can I do for you?

What do you want to eat? Where do you want to go? Is everything okay? And like that's, you know, that's the person who like is the people pleaser, right? And there's a cost to like pleasing everyone. And the flip side of that is the person who like, no substitutions. You know, it is what it is, you know, which is fine. And maybe that's, maybe that's who you are.

But eventually people will stop or, you know, showing up, you know. And it's that balance of knowing, like, who are the important people in your life? Because at the end of the day, like, you can't please everyone. But you do have to make sure that you're not using that language, the people you really care about. The people, your friends, you know, the friend that you haven't talked to in a while. and maybe you blame them because, you know, there's been that distance, but asking yourself, like, you know,

what role could I have played? And that's why I wrote, I appreciate about Melanie is that she's always, you see her effort, right? And with sincere, you don't, like, you don't really know how much he cares because, you know, when he's sitting in front of you, he says, he seems to say what you want to hear.

Melanie, if you're in a relationship with Melanie, there might be highs and lows, but you know she cares about you. And I can tell you, like, in our relationship, knowing, feeling Natalie's love is the thing that matters most to me. When like, when we're, if we're down bad, if we're in disconnect, I, you know, knowing that person still cares, we've all been in relationships where you're like, I don't think they like me anymore.

You know, like, I don't even know if they give a fuck. And if you don't think that other person gives a fuck, there's not nowhere to go with. And someone like Melanie, there might be like highs and lows. You might get frustrated. But like knowing someone cares is so important in a relationship. and then her just learning how to manage those moments, you know, is kind of like the journey of life. Like I've realized a lot of things about myself and I'm still like, you know, I still work on it. That baseline of who I was as a high school kid, like I've done a lot of work on him, but like that

that person's still inside me. Yeah. You know, so it's a lot of that. Yeah. Natalie, have you read this one? I have. Yeah. And is he the problem? He's never the problem. He's never ever the problem. It's so funny because I am obviously very hormonal right now So I can be like a bit of a bitch You know unfortunately in moments And just in quick little snippets We all are for the record Yeah doesn't last long

Does not last long at all Okay No but I imagine what Nally is going through is like The way I see Nally move right now Or like struggle with a pregnant It reminds me when I was on special forces And I was literally Honestly suffering

Literally. I was suffering the last four days. And every moment was like, just get to the end. Just get to the end. And when I see Natalie suffering, it reminds me of the last few days of special forces, but she has like weeks and months of it. So like it's totally accepted and valid and okay, baby. Thank you.

Was there a moment that you thought of? I don't know. What did I say to you the other day? And you said something about like my tone or my attitude. And I was like, yeah, well, like, I don't really care. And then you just, like, walked over and gave me a kiss. And I was like, oh, what it up? Suddenly they do care.

Yeah. It's the worst. I was like, what's with your tone? She's like, what's this? What is with it? Deal with it. I'm like, okay. Yeah.

Turns out you just need a little kiss. Turns out you just need a little love. All I got to say is give me tang because I'm going to be reading the essay. Give me 10. Give me 10. I'm reading it as well. We have obviously a lot of Love Island to get into. But I, I'm worried.

about Casey and I'm worried about him in a way that like I just don't I'm not saying overall he's not just a fine swell guy but he seems to move more like the rest of the boys than we wanted to believe I think I don't know I think he's doing Anaya dirty a little bit and leading her on

in a way that feels a little uncomfy you guys have kind of swayed me because I was like I don't know I think maybe he's just like his interest has been piqued a little bit and he doesn't want to act on it like at first I was like well he was really intrigued by soul but then he didn't act on it.

But I, you know, we kind of chatted and you guys kind of, you know, reminded me that he, the way he spoke with soul, it was kind of like. No, these guys make telling the truth look so painful and difficult. And it's just like Kenzie goes to Corbin. We kissed. Yes. Okay. Respectable.

Moving on. Yeah. Just fucking say it out loud. Not like, well, I mean, yeah, but only like, they're always downplaying the truth or avoiding the truth. And it's just like so unnecessary. Yeah. You're being recorded.

You're on a TV show. Right. And the fact that they know they're being filmed, and I know we always talk about how quickly, and as you know, they forget that cameras are being, you know, are on them. But they know it's a TV show. And they just can't just be upfront. It's shocking. And it just shows to me that just says like how easy it is for these guys to just avoid the truth or talk around the truth and things like that.

Obviously, we'll get into it when we have Kailer on the show and dive deep into Love Island. and it's going to be are there any maybe like at challenges and stuff but when they're just lounging around the villa are there like full cameramen

with or are they fully relying on the like little hidden cameras? I think it's a full I think it's a hidden cameras I assume it's both yeah I also have a question for the class and yeah I'm very curious

about that as well because yeah I'm like do they just not think that they're being recorded I don't know but honestly I used to I used to think that guys

had like been with girls that were like so crazy that they were like taught not to lie or to lie to hide yeah to like avoid conflict and like I didn't want you to get mad I didn't want you get mad guys and I and I dated several guys that were like my ex was so crazy I couldn't tell or anything and I'm like I'm different like you can tell me you know and then watching these shows I'm like I actually don't know that any of these women were ever like that like I'm like what came first the chicken or the egg You know what I mean? Like, I've never started a relationship where I'm, like, going to get angry with somebody for just being honest. But once you, like, to me, it's like once you lie, especially at the beginning, it's like, I have such a hard time, like, overcoming that and, like, getting past that because I'm like, wait, now I actually don't know your character or your, where your values are.

And, like, I don't know. I feel like with guys, I'm just like, are they actually traumatized and this is like a defense or is it like, are they just like this? That's what makes the healed guys dangerous. Yeah. The healed ones. The healed ones. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's like, what did Sierra say her quote on Afterson?

Guys are so obsessed with the title of being a good guy that they forget to exhibit the characteristics. Literally, I just, it's so frustrating. I've been with somebody before who was so caught up on like, you think this of me, you think this of me, you think this of me. I'm like, well, where have your actions been to lead me otherwise? Like, I don't understand why people are so obsessed with being seen as this nice guy when it's like, just be a nice guy. And don't be afraid of, like, if you're KC, like, explore, but talk about it. Or even if you're not exploring, be like, yeah, my interest was piqued and, like, she's beautiful and whatever, but, like, I'm locked in on you.

Like, I don't understand where this obsession with, like, looking like a nice guy, but not acting like when is coming from. And just, like, if you're Melanie, it must be very frustrating. And I hate to use the word gaslighty because of the connotation behind it. But, like, it's got to be confusing to sit with sensitive. sincere and you know the way he was like I wanted to be like paired with Melanie no you didn't you didn't you wanted to be paired with soul and just acknowledge that and admit it and move forward you know but the way you talk to Melanie is got to be incredibly confusing because that you know we've all

been in those relationships where you you you like someone you're obsessed with them you don't know why you're drawn to them but like if it's not going to work out you kind of want to let that you want them to let you go. Oh, yeah. And sincere won't let Melanie go. Yeah. Like she wants to be freed of this obsession and he won't allow it to happen. And he calls that. Just keep stringing her along. Yeah, he calls that like honesty or sympathy and it's anything but. Anyways, we'll get obviously get into it. When we have Kayla on coming up shortly, but before we do, got some headlines to get into. We got Tyra Banks is suing Netflix. Not our Netflix. Unfortunately, our Netflix. Yes. Which is crazy because she's suing them for defamation, claiming that 16 minutes of her lengthy interview was used in the dokey series and that the clips were stripped of context and reassembled to support a false and defamatory narrative unrelated to what she actually expressed.

It's like, first of all, Tyra Banks, you come from this world. You were the one a part of clipping and stripping context. You've been doing this. You've been doing this. Some of the models were like, welcome to America's next top model. They were like, that's what happened to us. That's so good. They should all be suing America's ex-top model.

Right. Like, it's, I do find this crazy. I saw one response of Tyra's being like, if I would have known that they were going to ask me about, like, Miss Jay being in a coma and me not visiting in the hospital. Like, it's because I was living in Australia for the last two and a half years. Ma'am. Flights exist. Ma'am.

Ma'am. We're going to have to run that one back. Yeah. I'm pretty sure she can afford a first class to get back. I saw someone say, just release all the footage of the three-hour interview because the implication is that maybe Tyra lacks a self-awareness that maybe many of us hope that she has and she doesn't realize what she's saying. So just air all three hours of the footage with the implication that it's not going to look any better for Ms. Dara.

Her team is saying that she participated in the documentary series because she believed viewers deserve a candid conversation about the show's legacy. its success and its shortcomings. And then they said, there are aspects of the show for which Ms. Banks takes accountability and she wanted America's Next-Tonga model viewers to hear that from her directly. So I think they're implying that she did do more.

But I mean, we all watch the documentary. Tyra, you come on our podcast and tell your whole version of the story if you want to. Or you can go on a live. You know, there's nothing stopping her from speaking her truth. I do think there's a world where she probably did take accountability.

And, like, I mean, you watch the documentary. And you're like, wow, that's wild that she said it the way she did. but there probably was more to it, you know? But also that quote about Ms. Jay being in the hospital. That tells me everything I need to do. It does say a lot. I do wonder, though, as crazy as it sound,

is there precedent of this type of interview style and the fact that, like, you, if you're going to interview someone, show the whole thing. But like, I don't know if that will stand. I don't know. I don't know. I guess it honestly probably depends on what was actually said.

You know, if it was truly, yeah, like if it was truly, yeah, Like if it was truly manipulated in a way to, like, defame her, then sure, maybe she's got a case. I don't know. Are they going to make a judge and a jury, like, watch the three-hour footage? Put me in. I'll do it. Yeah.

Because also it's like, why would, you watch it and you're like, why did she participate in this? You know what I mean? Right. So that's where I kind of think maybe she was under a different impression or, like, said other things. I mean, I think that's always the case when you have, when you're doing a doc like this, you have your truth. You have, you know, everyone came in with their truth, you know. and then the people making the documentary.

It's just like a reality TV show. And I was, you know, it's just like anyone who's ever watched me on, on this podcast, on a reality TV show, you saw a version of me. You know, if you talk to a reality TV producer, they will tell you that the people they see on the screen or the people they meet in person. If you actually talk to reality TV star, they're like, no, no, like you're only seeing parts of me. That's not who, that's not all of me who you see. And they're both true. Yeah. Right.

Like, and I mentioned that in the essay. My whole life, the way I've want people to receive me and the way I've showed up, there's often been a gap between how I want to come across and how I've come across with people. And reality TV didn't invent that gap. You know what I'm saying? Like I've been that person in high school over. I meant this. Why didn't you receive it this way?

And then I go on reality TV and I feel that kind of disconnect, you know? And now I still feel like you've only seen snippets of me. You don't get the whole picture. things like that, which is true. But also, when you're filming a reality TV show, they can't air everything. There's many people's stories they have to tell and share. And so they're trying to capture the main essence of who you are.

And the people making these shows will say, like, I've hung around you enough. I have enough footage of like, yeah, there might be nuance, but like this is who you are. And then there's truth to both. Yeah. And it might also be like, this is also the most interesting part of who you are,

not necessarily the most interesting. and maybe not to yourself, but to the public, like, we don't really care about, I mean, I would love to see what Tyra said, but I feel like for the most part, like whatever she maybe feels like she was remorseful about, like,

I'm sure everyone's like, we don't care. Like, give us, give us the interesting stuff, which is probably the 16 minutes that they clipped and put in. Yeah. Yeah, she probably had a bunch of context of like why she did what she did

or why her thought press was this or that. And if you're one of the models, you're like, I don't, you still, you still ruined it. my life. I still had to get years of therapy or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So like the context or your explanation, Tyra doesn't really land with me. And I imagine people

making that doc were like, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. You know, like, let's put this in there. So like, I would, I would gather that if we watch that three hours of videos, most of us wouldn't have our opinion change. But Tyra could be watching it and being like, see, I said that. And I did this. And I said this. And but this is what I meant. And this. I didn't mean this. and it's just like, and that's kind of the story of live. I think she should go live. I think she should do,

like a get ready with me. I would watch it. I would watch it. Oh, I would lock in. Yeah. And then she can save it and post it to feed. Yes, 23 minutes. Have you guys been following the,

on a separate topic, like Mormon wise stuff this weekend? I saw, I saw, we got Jordan hanging out with Taylor at a concert. Kid Cuddy concert. We got Jesse doing some photo ups.

The fake paparazzi photos. Yeah. I don't, people make such a big, deal about the fake paparazzi photos. And do we always know they're fake? Or is it a paparazzi photo or is it just like a day

in the life stuff? Well, I think with Jesse it was like my friend who's a photographer and it was like we're doing this whole bit and then they released the like behind the scenes footage of them like walking into dinner. And what's the problem with that? Why do we care so much? I just think some people believe that paparazzi

photos are always real. But I don't know, living in LA, I'm like every paparazzi photo to me is somewhat staged, which isn't true. I will say. Nick and I definitely know all of Nick and I went to the farmer's market on Sunday and there were some paparazzi there and

we're walking with River obviously we're like oh this is you know we don't want photos of river but there's also a this I believe a California law saying the paparazzi can't sell photos with kids in it we think it's just like they can't show their face or

I mean we should Google this because Nick we were talking about this and it reminded me of the photo that recently came out of Kylie Jenner and she's walking with Stormy and she's like covering her face with her bag and the photos out there and everyone's like why wouldn't you cover your kids face?

And I'm thinking like well maybe if she thought this they couldn't show it. Yeah like then she's like I'll just cover my face so you can't use this photo anyways. We were walking. The paparazzi guy took some photos and then you know you see them and they're sometimes a lot of them are

nice. You know, they're doing their thing and they'll say thank you or they'll say hi. This paparazzi had a t-shirt on. He's like, hey, look at my t-shirt. And he's like,

he's like, don't worry. I didn't take a picture of your kid, which was like, okay, you know, I don't know how you didn't because we're with her. We're with her.

And his shirt was, his shirt said no, it was like a statement about no, no kids for paparazzi, whatever. And we're like, cool, man. And anyways,

but we were like, we talked to this paparazzi, I don't know, for 20, 30 seconds. if someone took a photo of us talking to paparazzi, it definitely could, and then these photos came out, it definitely could look like it was some kind of setup.

We were like, hey, we're going to walk down past the watermelon. Yeah. You get us. You're putting your lip gloss on. I do think that happens some. Yeah, for sure. I do think that happens. Also, for all the people freaking out about Taylor with Jordan.

Is it kind of weird to see? Sure, because Jesse has been one of the few, like, staunch supporters of Taylor throughout all this drama that Taylor's going through it so it almost feels like maybe a betrayal of Jesse from Taylor but again I think we sometimes lose sight of the fact that like despite all the drama these people know each other they've been working with each other inside a life of drama wait I don't feel like this is Taylor with Jordan we don't know for sure I thought it looks like it is it starts with showing no I do not think this is her all the comments are like that's not her that's not wait so it's not even her it doesn't it doesn't

look like, I don't think it's her. Can I see the photo? It looks like her. There's a video. Wait, give it. It like is a brunette with sunglasses. That literally looks like her. I feel like that's her.

I don't think it is, guys. That's not like... Okay, so it may or may not be her. Well, someone said she's wearing jeans. Taylor doesn't wear jeans. She wears butt pants. Okay, so for argument's sake, let's say it was her. I just don't think it's that big of a deal.

I think there's a good... If they showed up together, picked each other up, that would be a maybe a little... odd. But if they maybe went to the concert, saw each other and, like, had a conversation, sat down and talked, I just don't think that that's... They said it's a different girl. No way. Oh, it's not even Taylor. Wow. Well, I was going to say, I will say if it were a big deal, I think we would hear about it from Taylor or Jesse. Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like Jesse would be posting live. Literally, we would have, we had the flowers that Jesse sent Miranda after she kissed Chase. Miranda posted the flower. You know, like these women, We would know. We would know. One way or the other. Yeah.

They don't run from a story. No. Or a headline. They create them. They do. They just don't think it's like, I just think seeing these people with other people isn't an immediate like, oh my God, something's going on. Maybe they just like ran into each other.

They still are familiar faces when you're surrounded by people who aren't. You know, like there is that common ground. Like you run into someone from the Bachelor franchise, whether you've had beef or not. like unless it's like serious beef like there is always going to be a familiarity with them about like you know especially when you're surrounded by people who aren't you know who might want access to you that you don't want to give access to them like I just don't think it's that big of a deal when you see these people together at any given time I don't think it's always something nefarious I don't know I think what we have learned about Taylor is that she is a good friend

and she knows obviously Jordan is very close with Dakota and I do not think she would be sitting on a picnic by Jordan. Even if she saw him and she was like, I know nobody else here. Taylor would sit alone. You're absolutely right. I'm just saying if for some reason someone got caught in a photo situation,

I think we sometimes have to be careful to jump to conclusions and make a bunch of accusations again, if it was Taylor, and I don't think all the things you're saying about Taylor would be immediately discounted if she was like yeah, no, I ran into him, I talked to him a little bit. She probably told Jesse afterwards right away. You know what I'm saying?

Like, there always could be more of the story. Yeah. Do you guys have an embarrassing paparazzi story? Like, sometimes where you're like, oh, I really wish I didn't catch me there. I mean, I've seen a couple photos of me like shoving a sandwich into my face and ended up in us weekly. No, you need to talk about the one of you holding all the,

of you letting Vanessa hold all the groceries. There was that. Oh, yeah. And you're like on your phone. Stop. I co-hosted TMZ last week, which was kind of fun, new experience. And one of the stories was about...

Millie Bobby Brown. Millie Bobby Brown. Uh-huh. And her partner was, like, photographed pushing the stroller. No, Millie was pushing the stroller. And it seemed like he was just like hands-free. Yeah. And then when we were going through the stories,

I'm like, you guys have a photo of me that you guys covered years ago of me holding all the groceries. Uh-huh. which was very embarrassing. But the context was like, we were at the grocery store and she was like, she literally goes,

I haven't worked out today. So I want to carry out the bags. And I wasn't thinking at all. I'm like, yeah, cool, no problem. And she's carrying. It's like great.

I got a couple of texts. She's carrying like five bags of groceries and I'm just walking beside her. Just like a gentleman being like, you got this? I was mortified. You needed the t-shirt that was like, she needs a workout.

It was actually even crazier is the skinny jeans I was wearing in that photo, which was even more, More criminal. More criminal. It was like, you know, like the ripped jeans, tights. Real tight.

Were they like cuffed? Oh, you've got cuffs right now. Were they like cuffed at the bottom and like a little bit high? No, no, I like the cuff. Oh, you've got cuffs. Oh, we haven't burned out of that one, have we? You are wearing them now. These are tapered, not skinny, though.

No, there's a difference. Moving on. And they're skinny. And they're rolled up and they're like a little, it's not quite a cap. Well, maybe it is a capri. Oh, bad. It's borderline. Yeah.

Am I, is this too, Capri? No, not at all. It's because you're sitting. No. Those are good. Perfect. Is that fine? They're not skinny, though.

Yeah, they're not skinny. Forget what I said. No, I'm just kidding. I'm totally joking. There's a photo that Chambla sends me all the time. And it's of me, I think maybe like the week before I gave birth to River. And I'm just like wearing boxer shorts and like a crop top and my belly's out. And it's me, my mom and Nick walking across the street.

And I have never looked just like. like bigger, swollen. What was the caption on the photo? I have no idea, but she sends it to me all the time of just like checking in. Does she ever send it as a sticker? Oh, my God. Oh, that's a good idea. Send it to me.

Oh, perfect. We also had Amanda and Kyle walking out of the in the city reunion. Everyone is up in arms about hands together, smiling as if these people don't deserve any joy in their life whatsoever. Right. Like so much so that. they made Kyle have to do a clearing up video of like, here's the context behind this. Because I guess people were thinking,

oh, it was leaving the in the city reunion. So everyone was like, oh, it must not have been like that hard hitting of a reunion. Because in the photo, they're like literally smiling. Yeah. And they're calling it stage, but like, again,

maybe it was staged, but like there are definitely going to be paparazzi in New York City camping out, they know when the reunion's being filmed. For this one specifically too. And Kyle literally said, we were walking down together. We were leaving at the same time

and we were laughing in the elevator about like, oh, could you imagine if there was a paparazzi outside and what that would look like? And they opened the door and boom, there's a paparazzi. They get a photo. Now, they must have known paparazzi. We're probably going to be outside.

So that might be slightly disingenuous, but nevertheless. I could see it being real, though. You know, if it was like a back door, I didn't see the pictures. Yeah, kind of. Like maybe they didn't know. I don't know.

I mean, listen, like, in between all the drama, again, these people, like, they are living real lives. And you can be mad at someone. We know that Kyle still has a lot of love and respect for Amanda. Despite what you think of everything going on, they were together for 10 years. They were married. Like, that's what's going on right now, as bad as it is, doesn't justify, like, Kyle canceling Amanda from his life. Like, that's just not how shit works. And, like, that was a conversation we were having with Sierra whenever, you know, the whole, like, is, West's sociopath and I was like, I just feel like, I said that's kind of a lazy take. And I guess my point is, it's like in life, you know, we love talking about this drama, but the reality is like we all do versions of this. It's like to call everyone who does something incredibly selfish, who can't see other people's points of view in the heat of the moment, is something we all do. And to call all those people like narcissists or sociopath, I think not only like is kind of a lazy take, but I also,

I don't think it protects us the way we have to protect ourselves because it's one thing to try to avoid all the sociopaths and narcissists of which there's not as many as we think about, but the truth is it doesn't protect us from realizing that generally good people can get in their own way,

cannot in any given moment, not see other people's side of things. Like, I think it's a bullshit for what West is doing, blaming it on the show, right? In terms of like, oh, it's just a show. That doesn't mean it's completely, his point of view is completely untrue in the sense that, like, I'm sure he does tell themselves it's just a show. We are dealing with a franchise that, like, does scenes, right? They, not everything they say is completely authentic. They do have, like,

input from producers. They do lean into storylines. Now, that doesn't discount the human of motion of what, like, Sierra has felt, you know, going after West all these years. It can be both real for her and it can still and you can still have a cast member on the cast kind of like discounting the experience because like they're talking to producers and they're doing scenes you know does that make sense to you am i making sense yeah and also it just kind of you saying that made me think of like so many people from from the bachelor world their experiences are so different like so many a lot of people from the cast that i've been on will fully say that like people that i know or like we're friends with or like we're in relationships with like they were a producer plant. The whole thing was a producer

plant. And I'm like, no, it literally wasn't. Like it's it's literally not that. But some people in the same cast as me will have such a different experience that they will think something is so fabricated and untrue. And I'm like, wait, no, because it's my experience. And like, it was real. So the fact that somebody can think this is so produced or so manipulated, but they're walking away from it with a totally different experience than me. And so it's like, it's kind of the same thing. It's like two people can have the same experience at the same place and have wildly different perspectives. Well, speaking, and speaking of different experiences, now you have Lindsay on threads about... She's going in. I mean, she started with the paparazzi photos where she jumped in and clarified,

like, we were all going to get food after so on and so forth. And then now she's jumping in, responding to Wes Wilson. Wes, what a bold thing for him to get on his podcast and say that he hopes the Knicks lose. So that way they go to game six and they play. in New York City on Tuesday night at the exact same time that his bonus episode that he did participate in and like Lindsay said

is getting paid for airs and he wants everyone to watch the Knicks instead of that bonus episode. It's an inside thought. Literally an inside thought. It's a group chat, text. It's like not for your podcast.

Lindsay's threads outside thoughts. At the same time I don't think he is threatening her job. Well he did remember when he went on that podcast and he said that she like there's no world in which after she has a baby, she'll come back to Summerhouse. Sure. That's just one person's opinion.

He's not a producer. He doesn't have a say. A lot of us wondered how Lindsay was going to participate in Summerhouse going forward. Is she saying he's coming for her job because he's not wanting the views on the show? Essentially, yeah. It's kind of like, listen. She's saying a lot. I mean, every hour there's a new thing. The first thing she said was like, one, Wes Wilson, you're trash trying to get people to not watch our show.

that I brought you on. You should move immediately, which is in the city. Two, I haven't seen Tuesday's aftermath episode, but I feel it on my bones. It is good. Three, in the city is just heating up. We were half the way. Holy shit. What a roller coaster. Four, our in the city reunion was so good. We have, we might have parts. Five, I'm on Carl's podcast on Tuesday. That was the first batch. The second batch was, good morning. Hope everyone slept well last night. I know I did. Woke up with some more thoughts if anyone cares. One, maybe Wes Wilson should go on his podcast and publicly apologize to me for using my daughter as clickbait. as a decoy to distract from the secret relationship with Amanda. Instead of talking shit about the show, he was so fortunate for me to put him on. Two, Wes has tried to threaten my career

slash show now three times and it's quite frankly disgusting. No other words to describe it. And then three, I guess. First was when he was on a podcast after I had Gemma and told everyone there's no way I could come back to Summer House. We should have known then he's not smart, but here we are. Then with his diabolical decision making skills to manipulate Amanda into dating him and threaten the status of our friend group and future of the show, and now trying to get people to watch Tuesday's episode that he participated in, so that's the whole next thing.

I mean, she's gone on also to talk about how he manipulated Amanda. So every hour there's a new. And fans are mad that Lindsay is suggesting that Westa manipulated Amanda? Yeah, I think there's some people that are saying she's empathizing with Amanda, therefore giving into the victimization narrative,

but... Amanda can be both wrong and manipulated by West. Both can be true. Both can be true. She can be a shitty friend and a shitty partner to Kyle and also be manipulated. And you can still hold a man accountable and be like, he might have done this. You still should have known better.

And now that we're bringing it to your attention. Definitely move different. You could still choose to move different. Amanda is still choosing not to move differently. So she can still get criticism for that. But we don't have to ignore the reality of this situation. And it's like, why are people so committed to making sure that Amanda is like properly critique and criticized and canceled while, like, letting West off the hook? I don't understand why we're so obsessed with making sure that Amanda doesn't survive this that we want that we allow West to, you know.

It's also the same post where Lindsay literally says, yes, Amanda is a grown ass woman and makes her own big girl decisions. And yes, she needs to deal with those big girl consequences. So it's like she's also criticizing Amanda. It's just in the same post she says about West or whatever the fuck his hot dog smelling ass. And I'm quite looking forward to Amanda's in the city reunion performance because obviously she knows how poorly it landed the first time. Very rarely do we have like a second opportunity for someone to kind of maybe hopefully not be on the beta blockers or whatever she was. And hopefully she'll just, she will have a lot more oxygen because you know, Sierra won't be there as much as we might. might want Sierra to be here, maybe Amanda will, again,

this is not, we're not blaming Sierra for this, but Amanda might feel more comfortable explaining her relationship with Westmore. I'm sure we won't agree with any of it, but I am curious about how Amanda, now months later, who is still with West, explain that relationship. Yeah. And again, like, I wanna hear Amanda explain the whole thing,

kind of like, almost like Tyra Banks, just let her talk. Yeah. Just, you know? And uninterrupted, you know, let Amanda just talk. And I don't think Amanda's going to make much sense. But I do want to hear Amanda explain it uninterrupted, you know. When was this bonus episode filmed? Do we know?

Right after the reunion. Oh, right after. I need something right now. You know what I mean? I'm like, give us. Well, it is tonight. I guess it's in the city reunion is that. Yeah, that's true.

But we'll have to wait for that shit. I know, I know. It's like I need. We have a whole half of the city season to go. Yeah. Which kind of is shocking that they already filmed the reunion. right? It might be a shorter season.

I don't know how long in the city is. Well, Rhode Island Union is only two parts. I was shocked to see it was only a two-parter. I am shocked that it is two parts. I imagine that in the city will be also two parts, you know, if it being a first season, maybe it's because there's not as much history to go off of. I don't know.

I mean, if Lindsay's bringing this energy, I want to watch. I'm here for it. Lindsay also, by the way, said, meanwhile, West is still out with other girls and still talking to his other girlfriends, like a true fuck boy. So I don't know if that's true, but she's alleging that he's not faithful to Amanda anyway.

You know what I really want to see on Love Island and we're about to bring Kayla on the show. But like, you know, we had Sierra literally on the show. We have Kada, a big fan of Summerhouse. Kada who's watching, she's watching Summerhouse. I want to see a West Wilson reference. Like I want to see West Wilson become the verb that is like how these guys in modern dating move. I wanted to see like Kada be like, who is a fan of Summerhouse,

who, like, she kind of implied that she's been, like, locked and loaded and watching the whole Summerhouse drama unfold. You know, if I'm someone, like, if I'm in the villa, who's been obsessively watching Summer House and breaking this all down, and then, like, watched the guy like Sincere move the way Sincere's moving, which is, like, again, that kind of like, I'm a good guy and I'm sweet and I don't mean any harm

and I'm willing to talk through, you know, any problem with you, but not actually look at his own actions and how it's affecting the feelings of other people. Like, it would be great to see, you know, a little, like, cross-marketing between, like, the peacock franchises and, like, make Wes Wilson a verb. Yeah. I wouldn't want to bring him in.

I'd be like, this is Sierra safe space. No, not bring him in. Not bringing him in, but I'm like, I wouldn't want to bring the energy of him in. I would be like, he's not a mention we have other people in the world. Truly. Leave him out of here. Because then she's going to have to talk about an after son.

And be like, oh, when you reference. And it's like, well. I think Sierra is more than capable. I think she's moved on. I think she's living. best life. She is, yes. But I don't want to give her, I don't know. Yeah, I agree with She looked so good in that brown dress.

Her and Teffy. Yeah. Honestly, they were like, I think they are perfect for after son. Yeah. They're cute. Together. Yeah. It makes more sense the way it's set up this year too. Yeah. I'm a fan. Um, wait, breaking news. T-Mesee just reported West was not picked up for the next season of the

Bravo show will not return when cameras start rolling in July. I'm honestly shocked. I'm not. Honestly, like it, there was, I didn't I didn't see it. I didn't see the, just like he didn't see how Lindsay Hubbard was going to be a mom and on somewhere else. I did not see how he was going to make it back. But also like what would be the purpose of him coming back? Like, yeah, like what is your, you don't have a relationship with these people. You have lied to all of their face. Like who wants to be, who wants to be? Who wants to be with you? Who wants to like sit at a tape? Like, it's such an intimate show where these people are living together, eating meals. Like they're doing everything together. And it's like, it would almost be impossible. Like as much as we've been obsessed with. As much as we've been obsessed with. It's. Like, as much as we've been obsessed with. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's this we all just probably want to move on from this that's what i was saying certainly wants to move on from this and i guess if if west showed back up it would almost be it would be it's like it would be like if someone like is under some scandal yeah and they reached

out to us to be like hey can they come be a guest in the show but they don't want to talk about the thing that like everyone's talking about and you're like well i can't have them on and pretend that didn't happen. Right. So like it would almost, you know, to move on from it, like you would almost have to like. They'd have to relive it and have to talk about it. Or not. And it would just be weird.

And it could ruin the summer. I feel like, yeah, we need a little drama to keep the show going. Of course, like we need some relationship dynamics and stuff like that. But at the end of the day, you don't like start a show to revolve around drama. Drama just happens when you're having a good time. Now, does this mean, is there a positive? Do you think it's Bravo Days are done? or do you think this is step one of removing him from Summer House?

Because he makes sense on In the City. It says the door isn't completely closed and it's possible he could pop up for a cameo. I could see that. I mean, yeah, I can definitely see. I mean, if he's dating Amanda, if he's with Amanda, he's got to be a part of In the City.

Right. Because Amanda's not on Summer House moving forward, maybe, right? Seems unclear. I don't think that. We don't know that. But we do know that she's on in the city. Yeah. And so it's like, yeah, it makes sense to have her boyfriend be a part of her storyline.

I could see Amanda not wanting to do another season as well. Like, after going through something like this, I don't think people understand how heavy this really is. Like, I understand people think she deserves like this punishment. And like, I think to an extent, yeah, you have to like, you know, kind of pay for the things that you've taken on. But I'm also like, I don't know that I would want to subject myself to this, especially if she were still dating West. Like, I don't know. I could see her being like, I'm actually, I need to, I need a season off or I can't do this right now.

It's like so, I mean, look at her. She's like so unwell. And also like, do we see West even wanting to be a part of in this city? I don't know. Like wanting to be a part of this anymore. It's like he's got his podcast. But he, I think he enjoys being a celebrity. A hundred percent.

I think he enjoys being on TV. And I think he enjoys all the things that. this being on Summerhouse has done for him. I think he'll start recapping Summerhouse on his podcast. I think some people care more about the lifestyle, the money, the illusion of what being a reality TV star is, then they actually care about their well-being or their relationships of their life. So like I sit here and say, I don't know that they'll do it, but then I'm like, actually, I think a lot of reality TV people place more value on that. And the last thing impression we'll have of West is this scandal. And you know that, like, West doesn't see himself as this guy that we all see, right?

And then, you know, whether you're a West or you're someone like me who is, like, felt like they got a bad edit, like the ego in you wants the second chance to come back on and redeem yourself and show, even if you made a mistake that you're sorry or you've learned. and like that part of not being able to redeem himself, I don't think this is a West choice, I guess is all I'm saying. And I think if he ever got an opportunity to come back on, he would. He would, yeah, because what's that look like?

And I kind of think, I also kind of think that the only way, the only way to come out on the other side and actually like have a redeeming story is to persevere. Like I know right now it's like none of us want to hear from them, But at the end of the day, like, look how many housewives have been, like, the biggest villains and then have come out and been, like, some of our favorite people. And just in general, like, you're a villain one season and you're a hero the next or vice versa. I think they're going to need some time to recover. But, like, that takes digging in and, like, letting people get to know you.

It takes saying a couple words and not being silent. Yeah. That's the other thing is he's been silent. I know, yeah. I could see Amanda coming back to somewhere else. Like, I think that's going to happen. I don't know. I feel like just with.

in the city, I think even Kyle, it's just like, it's kind of like, I guess that's the, like, people think that's the point of in the city, right? To, like, migrate over in the city. And then they had a great new cast of people on Summer House and that grow from there, you know, with Sierra being the center

of Summerhouse. I mean, we, Sierra, Jesse, Carl, Mia, KJ. Dara. Dara. Meha, maybe. Like, Kyle can pop in and catch up with his buddy Carl. But, like, it does seem.

I don't know, maybe, you know, Kyle DJing and dating is, I'm watching that. Yeah. I could watch out on In The City, though. Yeah, I get that. Sure, but it still plays well on Summer House, too. Yeah. It was crazy. All right.

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Kailer, welcome back to the show. Thanks, guys. Nice to see you all today. It's It's been a while. We're so excited. It's been forever. It's been a minute. So it's so great to catch up with you. Obviously, you have so much going on.

We have Love Island season eight underway. Well, first of all, how have you been? Like, how's life? Where are you calling us from? I'm in New York City. I live in New York now. I love it. I don't know if you can see my room, but I have, like, the craziest New York City

apartment, like disco ball hanging. Love it. Cute. As you should. But life's been amazing, like, navigating, still, like, being an influencer. dealing with like being online it's been awesome and yeah just keep going at it i got i'm always curious it's like you know we have susy here who was also on the bachelor franchise with me and it's you're two years removed what what has it been like do you have like which with each season like

watching the you know these people in the villa like how much fomo do you experience or if any at all is it a little traumatizing is a little fun like what is it like bring yourself back into such a life-changing experience that you had. No, it's awesome. It's awesome seeing, you know, new Love Islanders go into the villa to find love. And I love watching. Watching it is so fun. And I think that, you know, going into the villa, like, these islanders, yes, they're

there to find love, but they're going to make friendships that they'll have forever. Like, I, like, PPG will be in my wedding someday, like Rob, Kendall. I'm really close with them. So, I mean, you go into find love. But if you don't find love, like, people will always talk about, like, it's not friendship. Island, well, really, it is. Because at the end of the day, like, you win. If you don't win a relationship, you win amazing friends.

So, yeah, it's awesome to see. And I love keeping up with every season. Aw, that's sweet. It's sweet. Well, before we dive into all things going on in Love Island season 8, you are, you're secretly like a car girl. I didn't realize that. She's Sidney's sweet. So you grew up into cars.

Yeah, so I grew up, my stepdad who like basically raised me my entire life, like my dad basically, he always worked as a car salesman growing up in PA and he is now a GM and a great dealership in in Pennsylvania. So we started like this series on TikTok. I don't know if you guys have ever seen them, but it's basically I'll go into the dealership and I'll like trade places with him for a day. So like he'll try to like be an influencer and I like try to like work. kid's job. What work do you have today? I'm like, oh, being an influencer so hard. I got a blowout, my nail is done, and a spray tan. And it's so funny because he'll try to use the products. And then I'll try to like make the salesmen there sell cars. So we had this series going on TikTok, and I, Turtle Wax hit me up for a collab with them for their three products that I've known and my dad has used all my life. So it was just truly like full circle. like having one a product that like my dad loves and two being able to finally do a campaign with like my dads it's been awesome that's so sweet also do i need turtle wax like how do i use it i'm i'm not a car

girly so what do i do with it if i go buy it so there's three different products my favorite there's like the all in one like there they're there are these little wipes and you can keep them in your glove box and you can wipe like the inside of your car like the headlights or if someone dings your car like in the parking lot you can just buff it out with that. Those are my favorite because I'm always on the go and honestly like I'll admit it like sometimes my car's a mess or like food whatnot like I still drive the same car I've always had my entire life like still rep in the 2018 Honda Civic. So it's all banged up and like yeah probably still has fries under the seat from like 2018.

They also have like a one and done detailer. So it's like a spray that you can use for the outside and inside of your car, which is great. And then they have like a hybrid solution for inside. You can send you some of those products. So you can get your hands on them. Yeah, it's giving like hot girl. I always got bitched at.

Like if I came home with like a dirty car, like my dad would definitely bitch at me. Or if I brought like a guy came to pick me up and his car was filthy inside, like it's a no go. Like that's your first impression and like he's not getting a second date. Turtle wax has a survey that said 73% of singles think the way someone takes care of their car reflects on how they take care of themselves. Would you agree or disagree, Kailer? I would agree because, I mean, if you take care of your car, like, if your car is a mess, what's your room look like? Let's be real. And I think a lot of people, like before, like a first date will, like make sure their car is cleaned when they are picking up, like, their significant other or like their date they're going out on because like it's a bad first and.

like you have a like spoiled milkshake on the ground like no things have you ever i've done the thing where you like are about to go on a date and your car's a mess and you just take everything and throw it in your trunk that last second cleanup you know you throw everything in the closet or stopping at like the nearest gas station to empty it all out and like their their trash can like the poor gas station people like well keller what are your thoughts on the early parts of season eight of love island who who are some of your favorites and who are some of the people who are giving you kind of the red flags. Sincere, like, let's be honest.

Like, let's be honest. Let's be honest. I honestly love Melanie. I see a lot of myself in her. It's still so early on, but I could see, like, her and Corbyn becoming, like, something, like, amazing, like, honestly. I know that, like, they just got put together. And I think that Corbyn, like, is still a little confused about Kenzie.

But I think that they could be something, like, amazing. and I love watching. I've loved watching this season because it feels like everyone's being very organic. And I haven't seen anyone like really crash out. Like we saw that Melanie like give me 10, give me 10, give me 10. Loved it. Honestly, like everyone at the beginning was like shitting on Melanie. But I'm like, Melanie is giving us television people. So come on now. She really is. I love that. I love that she's crashing out on TV. That means she's authentic and she's not scared to be real. I think also after season six, like if I knew I was going into like season eight, after season seven being so big and season six being so big, I would be freaking scared on being real or speaking my mind. So I get props to those islanders because if I was on season seven or season eight, like I would be definitely worried about like who's watching me, what the public's going to think of me. Because like now Love Island is just like this huge franchise.

What advice would you give to the current members, you know, filming season 8 in terms of like, you know, how to move or how to navigate all the online criticism? Because like, kind of like you implied, you guys, for a lot of people, season six was like the first season. That was the season that really popped. It's when Love Island USA became the phenomenon that it is. And I think obviously previous seasons, like you kind of suggested, didn't have like the same fan reactions and intensity. And we all know that like obviously is great. as this experience was for all of you and it's opened up so many doors, there's probably been a lot of moments for you of like the highs and lows of like having to navigate, you know, fan reactions and fans criticisms. How have you been able to like continue to move forward and kind of protect your mental health while still having a relationship with your audience? Yeah. I mean, it's definitely really difficult and I still do it. Like I still like my boyfriend will always say like I'll wake up in the morning. I'll go to like my request like DMs and look like it's so toxic I should not be doing that but I guess I'm just so used to it and like I

I'm probably shouldn't be the one giving advice here because I still see myself like doing like being toxic and like looking at those comments but I mean I want to know what people think and then I say that until like I really see what people think and it's difficult but I think as long as you stay true to yourself and you'll be good to go and yes everyone has something to say now like everyone had something to say about me crying or taking Aaron back or things like that. But like, they'll focus on something else in a week or two. So like, it will be okay. And people will move on. And I mean, I always say whatever your friends and family at home, like, think of you and like know you as you represent yourself in that way. Like, that's all you need to worry about.

Yeah. Well said. I mean, people hiding behind their phone screens. Like, it's just. And I think sometimes, especially the Love Island universe. Like some of the fans can be really toxic. They think that you, they know you. But like there's way more to like Melanie or Kenzie than just like what they're seeing on Love Island. So I think that that's tricky too. This season they announced that they're kind of like freezing everyone's Instagram accounts. What is your opinion on that?

Because obviously that wasn't the case for you. It probably helps like the negative comments and things like that. But from like a creator standpoint, and I'm thinking of these people who are on the, like, love on the show and like having a career outside of it, I'm like it would probably be more helpful for their family to post them and keep them in the algorithm and things like that. So I mean, regardless, like it's probably, it's definitely going to help like the hate comments and the bullies and things like that. But someone will go on their own page and bully them by a TikTok video.

So like what's a con like, you know, is it really doing anything? Yeah. I'll be curious if it, if they do get as big a follow. I kind of think it's going to hinder them. And I know that the show is way fun and like so many great opportunities come. But a lot of that comes from getting this big following that I'm like, it's such a, it is a, it's a blessing, but it's also such a sacrifice to go on and like risk it all like that and put yourself out there that I'm like if people aren't going to get massive followings. I don't know that it's like worth it for people to go on and, you know. 1,000%. I think that if my like, if my friends weren't posting for me while I was in there, I don't know if I would have the following that I.

do now. I could. I have no idea. Like, I would film TikTok drafts in Fiji whenever we were like on lockdown and it would be like different kind of songs and my friend would like post it like regarding with the episode. Like if Kailer got fucked over, I'm posting like this TikTok of her being like a bad bitch. Like you know, it just like would fluctuate. So I don't know. Yeah, I'm interested to see that. But I mean, I think someone just got Hibia just got kicked off and she's like already growing like crazy. So I think the Love Island fan base, regardless, is so big. And they'll find you and they'll find you and they want to keep up with you after the villa too. So we'll see. You mentioned obviously sincere is not very sincere this season. And I'm curious, like watching him when we were having a

conversation before you came on about like just how it seems like so many men in Love Island are, you know, it's like they have such a hard time just telling the truth. Like for example, like you see sincere. And it seems like so weird. And it's like, I'm curious, you know, obviously your relationship with Aaron, like, we everyone had so many thoughts and opinions of. And obviously, we don't know what it's like to be in your guys' shoes when you're filming. But why, like, you had a front row seat to how Aaron moved. Right. Now that, like, that has passed, and you, I'm sure you guys have had your conversations.

And it seems like, you know, despite all his faults that deep down, like, Aaron is a sweet, good guy. But, like, it seems like now in dating, it, like, it's like guys are more, like, It's like they want to sound nice and say the nice thing, even though it's not the honest thing. And then you have like Kenzie, for example, who, like, demonstrates how easy telling the truth is, where she's like, she's talking to Corbyn. She made out with Caleb.

And then she go back to talk to Corbyn. She's like, just so, you know, we kissed. She's like so upfront about it, so transparent about it. Did she tell Melanie yet that she's kissed Corbyn? Yeah, she told Melanie. Oh, she did. Okay. Yeah, I think that, like, ultimately,

another thing is, like, when you're in the villa, like for me, I can say, like, it's not like you go out on a date in real life. And let's say your man or someone that you're seeing, not dating, you're not exclusive yet, is seeing another person. And that robs you the wrong way. Okay, cool. You go and you see other people. You go and get drunk with your friends. You can't escape them in the villa. They're still there. So they're still there. They have more time to convince you that they like you. They have more time to manipulate you and they have more time to make you jealous. So I think all of that like kind of goes with what you asked me. Like it is way tougher being in that villa than it is dating in the real world. And I think ultimately, at least I can speak for my

experience. Like I knew Aaron. Like Aaron was a great guy. Like he was. That's why I liked him so much. But he just didn't own it. Like he just didn't own it. And I think that has to do with like a lot of like, you know, some people like just people please and I people please and I do the same thing. We're all human. We all make mistakes. So I don't think like a decision like what Aaron did or what sincere is doing like exonerates who he is as a human being. But I mean, we all fuck up and like they just might they're just on national television. So everyone's picking apart every little move they're doing. Why do you think the guys in Love Island seem to have such a harder time with the like. we're in a couple, but we're not committed. And they seem to like just really struggle with how to move in that regard where the women seem to be more up front about how they're moving.

Why do you think that is? You know what? I have no idea. I wish I could tell you, Nick. I think that a lot of it could also do with like the chats that are being set up. Like this is a TV show. Sure. So like there is things that are involved outside of what we're seeing.

So a lot of that could be due to like production and things like that. But at the end of the day, I also will always say, like, anyone that wants this blame production or say anything. And I'm sure you guys can agree because you've experienced reality television. Like, at the end of the day, like, you make your own decision. Like, a producer can tell you to do something. But you, like, I've said multiple times, like, sorry, but like, Kayla in her heart, like, in the row would never do that. So I'm not going to do that. I don't feel comfortable.

And also, if you get about edit, like, you give them ammo to give you that edit. So it's like, I mean, I don't know. it's tricky. I don't know if I can answer that because I don't even know the answer to it. Speaking of like a producer involvement, would you say it's more accurate that like when you say a producer tells you to do something? Is it more accurate to say that they might encourage you or suggest something? But like you said, you ultimately always have the option. 1,000 percent. I mean like they're not holding a gun to your head and saying like go off to Casa and hook up with other girls. Like come on now. They like, you make your own decisions.

Sure, they'll set up chats and like who's talking to who and things like that. But like, I don't even think, like, on a liability standpoint, since there's a cash involved at the end, that they can make those, like, you know, they can't, like, tell so-and-so to, like, dump that person or whatnot. Like, it's an entire, like, legal thing as well. Yeah. And kind of to your point, like, they're not telling sincere not to be up front with Melanie about when and how many times he kissed soul. Like, that's how he responds is entirely up to him. Exactly. Now, sincere may go to the producer and he's like, see, I don't need to tell her.

Then the producers may be like, yeah, you don't. Like they may like, you know, but like they're not there to be your life coach. Like, you know. They will definitely allow you to make bad decisions if that's the decisions. And they won't stop you from being like, you sure you want to do that? Right. And that's kind of how they produce. Like, you know, we want to know what people ultimately are willing or wanting to do.

And if they're so easy to, if it's so easy for them to convince them to do the wrong thing, is can you really blame a producer for making a suggestion that like to your point, Taylor, you were like, yo, I don't, I wouldn't want to do that. I wouldn't do that. Yeah. Like, no doubt, like that conversation between Bryce and, and him pulling Kada, I would guess. And let me know if you would disagree, Kailer, that that was maybe a suggestion from a producer. Like, hey, you know, he probably said, they probably said, who's your number two? And he's probably like, Kada. And they're like, well, why don't you go talk to her? Like, should you really like, do you really want to be this closed off this early? Blah, blah, blah. You know, like, Zach will understand. understand. Bryce could have been like, yo, no, that's my boy. He has a good thing. I got a good thing with

Trinity. I don't want to fuck that up. No one's stopping Bryce from doing that. But if it's that easy to convince Bryce to be like, you know what? You have a good point. I do deserve to explore myself. Like that is a, then that is a Bryce decision. And you can't blame producers for that. Nick, that was perfectly sad. Yes. Yes. Completely agree with you. Speaking of, were you just as shocked as we were, like, I honestly forgot. Like, I, forgetting all that, I couldn't believe that that keda was the one that bryce went for because after episode two when he went he rolled over for a kiss when zach and keda were making out and she was like you know what not tonight i would have been like you're my you're my cousin yeah like forever like forever going forward i will only ever

see you as just a person a relative and the fact that bryce thought there was a there where he's like well i just wanted to check in i'm kata like did you not remember me like shaming you in a way that most people don't deserve to be shamed like what she was the way she was like so like confused yeah that he asked that question i don't know i just i forgot all about that and was reminded of like that moment when he was like trying to see if there was something there it was so wild yeah no that was definitely wild play on his end but like like you said it could definitely be stem from like people setting up chats or just like quite literally like just being like you haven't explored yet and they may even use sometimes the public like do you think the public wants you to explore more like you never know and when they say the public like that's like oh my god like you want to please the public obviously so it's like there's a lot of pressure I remember specifically I've never said this before when Aaron asked me to be his girlfriend so like I'm going to say yes and like the producer was like are you sure like are you sure you want to say yes and like I shouldn't have

fucking said yes. I don't know why. Like I was just in this like love bubble. But they were definitely trying to like convince me to like stand my ground and be like say hell no. Like you just came back from cost like what are you doing girl? And I was like you know I'm going to stay true to myself and I'm still going to say yes. And I still did. But I definitely should not have. But you know, the producers are also I think they're looking at Twitter. They're looking at TikTok. Like you know, like they're seeing what everyone thinks and probably feeding into that. So almost in a little way you like in that moment, you also, you saw the producer is almost trying to guide you in a, in a good way. In a good way.

And that's, that's interesting. Yes. And I was like, producers aren't my friends. Like, I'm not listening to you guys. Like, it's like, looking back at it. I'm like, they were looking out for me. Did you ever go back and watch your season? No.

No, I haven't, which is, which is, like, I'm just waiting, like, for the perfect moment to, like, do that. And, like, maybe I'll even, like, now I have my podcast. Like, maybe I'll even do it. Oh, like a rewatch? Okay. None of us have. Like, we obviously see, like, the TikTok clips and things like that. And I had to, like, I had to watch Casa more for, like, the reunion and things like that.

But no, it's like, when you hear yourself, like, on record and you're like, I hate the sound of my voice. Well, watching yourself is, like, 10 times worse. It's like, even more cringy. And, like, I, yeah, I don't know. I have my own opinion about, like, how my season went. So I don't want to see, like, how it was perceived. That makes sense. Oh, that makes sense.

But I think when it comes to a point where it's like shits and gigs, I will watch it and review it. So I don't know if you can answer this question from the perspective I'm going to ask it, but I'll ask it anyways and see where it goes. But there was a moment, like, I thought it was really interesting speaking of fans' involvement, right? So like, we had the fan vote a couple nights ago, right? Where the recoupling. And the fan votes kind of went how we expected in the sense that like we were seeing a connection between Caleb and Kenzie. And like, that's the way the fans went. like Gabe and Jen have a thing and that's where the fans went. Obviously sincere and soul,

yada, you know, so on and so forth, right? And I think obviously fans are voting for the connections we see flourishing that like the islanders aren't leaning into. And I thought it was really interesting after the recoupling because like I really this thought there wasn't much there between Kenzie and Corby. And I thought she seemed to be really interested in Caleb. And then after the recoupling, all of a sudden we started seeing scenes of Corby and Kenzie. I'm like, oh, shit. No, they like, they like each other. Like, there's something there, but they, the show didn't show us that connection until after the recoupling. And I just thought it was interesting because clearly, again, like, we have to acknowledge that produce, like, we should be thankful for producers

because for all the like, oh, are they evil. Like, they're making a TV show that we love. and like people do get nervous and they don't, they're afraid of them, afraid of fans, and they're afraid of making mistakes and they need a little bit of a nudge. But it is interesting to see the show

allow us to think that maybe there wasn't much of a connection with Kenzie and Corbyn until after the fan vote and the recoupling. And then all of a sudden they're like showing us that Kenzie's like really into Corbyn in a way that like we never got to see.

And I'm just curious like, what do you think of that as someone who's like been on the island of how the show can kind of guide the audience to vote a certain way over another way. I'm going to answer this honestly, but I also don't know for a fact, so I don't want anyone to believe this and run with this

or like, Kayla's saying this or that. Kayla fan theory. That's all of this is. I mean, the editors know exactly what they're doing. That's all I have to say. I feel like they have so much chemistry and the way, I mean, even the clips for the next episode of her,

they just like can't keep their hands off of each. other and it is so interesting because we just truly never even saw that guy they almost made it seem like kensi only cared that melanie and corbin had a conversation out of like almost jealousy it almost seemed like they made it it almost made it almost made it seem like kensi only cared until corbin pulled melani but now after seeing this connection of corbin and melanie of kensi after the recoupling it's like oh no she's like she really likes this guy and she's really struggling with like she obviously wants to explore Caleb she recognizes it's still new and it's like you see it in a totally different lens now after the recoupling it's just fascinating yeah i think i mean

it's also like very likely that she liked both of them and had like a strong connection with both of them before i mean they put Caleb and kensi together there's also like very high chance that like they have they all have a strong connection and kensi's just navigating but i mean the bombs show had a couple couple up with someone and it was it was her what do you think of uh soul and specifically her being a bombshell and being someone that clearly like at least some of the guys are very into and it it seems like the women of the like the o g women are weren't quite as warm to to soul like how does that happen and like right you know so if you're part of the original cast like you were what does that feel like to have the bombshells come in that a lot of the you know other

people are into and are there behind the scenes conversations happening with cast about like you know what maybe we haven't been as warm to her as possible is that or is that more organic or like what does that look like behind the scenes there was a time in our season where like the cossa girls came back and they did not feel welcomed in the villa at all where like the producers are like you guys need to like welcome them in the villa more we're like they're with our man like what do you want us to do like you want us to give them flowers like it's it's a tough situation. situation to be in because one, you have the bombshells or cost of girls that are there to steal your man. They're also there to find love. But then it makes it so awkward because they could be

stealing your man. So it's like, it's nothing personal. It's nothing personal that like any of the OGs are probably like, oh, I don't like this bombshell or like let's be mean to her. But it's like just natural. Like in the real world, if your man was dating two different girls and like picked one, like you're not probably going to become best friends with her. Like, come on. You're just You're in the villa. You're living together. You have to be friendly. But at the end of the day, like, do you got, like, I get it. Like, it sucks. Even if you, like, go out with your friends and you're with your boyfriend, he's like, oh, that girl over there, like, we, like, kind of like, we made out once or like, you're immediately like, fuck this bitch. I hate her. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, it's nothing personal, but it's just like it's, it's awkward. Like, you're putting a weird position. Like, when I think, like, for my season, like, Aaron was with Danielle. and then Rob brought her back.

And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, this is, like, and Daniela's a lovely person. Like, she's amazing. But it's tough. Like, it's, like, when you go to confide in someone, like, I'm not going to go confide in the girl that, like, my guy was just, like, like, like, making out with. Like, what are your thoughts on Casey? I mean, opening up the season, he seemed like, you know, a guy who seemed like really, you know, secure of himself, you know, the conversation he had with Anaya. seemed like very meaningful and personal and like we talked about last week made her feel seen in a way

that like clearly other men she's dated had it made her feel and we love to see that but like we see that a lot with guys where they they they're a little reckless even when they're saying something so nice they don't recognize the impact their words will have on the person they're talking to and ever since we've seen that conversation with k c and anaya anaya's been incredibly intentional like with how she's moving. She didn't make out with anyone in the challenge. And then you have Soul come in

and he's referenced that like she looks like his ex and things like that. And then the more I'm seeing of KC, the more I'm like, you know, again, I'm sure he's a swell guy overall. The more we see of KC,

to me he seems to be moving more and more like the rest of the guys, which is like in the he of the moment, he's not just direct. Like that last night's episode where he's talking to Sol, first of all, he had two conversations.

with Sol. So, like, he had that one chat where he was like, you know, you would have been my number two. And then, and so was like, yeah, but you're, you know, she kind of said it like, but you're, you're off limits. Kind of like, I'm, you're committed, right? You're committed. Like, almost like, maybe it was a check-in from Seoul, maybe it wasn't. But then whatever happened to that conversation was, was enough for Casey, again, maybe, maybe producer suggested or not, but like, why did you need to even pull her for that second chat? That second chat seemed to have some chemistry. And then, And Anaya comes in, and the way KC. Describe that conversation to Anaya was not what we watched.

He made it seem like, oh, they were just chatting his friends. Like, there's no there, there was nothing there. And I'm like, you're flat out, you're lying. You're lying to her in a way that, like, we're all watching it. Like, how do you read that situation to someone who has been in the villa? And, like, again, those conversations that all these people are having about, like, the nuance between exploring, being coupled up. Like, do you, or am I being too hard on Casey for that conversation or did you see what I saw?

No, I saw what you saw and I love an aisle. Like, she is my girl. Like, I've loved her from the jump. She is like one of my favorites this season. So, like, I hate that. Like, I hate that. My blood boils for her. But I also do understand, like, the behind the scenes of things.

And, like, you know, I felt like in my season, like, I just knew. Like, I just knew that I did not have a connection with anyone. else and that's fine. Like Love Island, everyone's like, it's about exploring and things like that. I'm like, yeah, sure it is. But like, if you find a genuine connection, then you find a genuine connection. Like, you're not, like, Love Island, it doesn't say on the rules, like, you must explore to, like, be on the show. Like, it's not, that's not how it is. Like, I'm sure, like, Casa Moore is coming up. Like, something's going to twist these couples that are so strong like it did mine. And, you know, you just never know what can happen. I hope.

that the men start owning it like be a man and own your shit and like i'll say that i'll say that to the day i die like that was one of the things i experienced on the show and it sucks like it really sucks and then these girls are going to leave and they have to watch it back do you think the men on love island uh whether it's your season or the seasons after we watch use the it's about exploring is kind of like a get out of jail free card it's just like 1 000 percent 1 000 Because to your point, like we all know, right? We all know what it's like to date in the real world. We know who we like.

You can walk into a bar and see 30 people. And you can eliminate 28 of them off the jump, right? And these people have been with each other for a whole week. I would want to know from KC. Why do you need to explore this with soul? What are you not going to, you know, like you should know at this point, whether she's someone that you really want to see things through or not. And the way, it just seems like the guys are always using like,

Like you said, like is if they have to, they need to. Like, why can't they, why isn't their own inner monologue telling themselves, I got something really good here? Maybe I don't know if I'm going to marry Anaya, but I know there's enough there that would be reckless for me to explore with anyone else. It's like any modern dating. 1,000%. Like, there's always another option. It's like the apps. It's like you can just swipe and find somebody else.

That's a great analogy. It plays like right into everything that you experience. That's why I think Love Island is so fascinating. It plays into all the things that happen in the real world, but we're watching it on a screen and through this like tropical lens. But it's like, yeah, there's always another option. There's always another bombshell. Of course. But it's like, why, yeah, if you've got something good, why are you going to just like explore connections or test the worst one is test my connection?

Why do you need to test it? What are we testing? Yeah. But I also like if you feel like you need to test it, then it may not be that strong. Yeah. Yeah, the guys will sound like, I need to fuck someone. else to know that I love you. Exactly. Oh my God. Exactly. It's so real. I was told so I'm having like PTSD like I remember being told so many times like Kayla like that's what Love Island's about. Like we're

here to like test and try and I'm like is that like in the rules when you sign up for Love Island is to like like do that no. But like and if you want to do that fine. Do it but do it respectfully. Yes. Like move respectfully. If you want to explore. and you want to do that, you can. This Love Island, it's your experience, and I'm going to have my experience. But if your experience is manipulating, not saying that anyone on this cast is doing that yet. But if, like, for myself, I could say, like, if their experience is, like, to manipulate and, like, not own it, then you can have that experience. But I don't want a part of that experience.

I did see an interesting tweet from Kia Abriand. She said, Casey should be the main person exploring because no one was behind his door on the first. episode. He doesn't owe anyone anything. What do you think? Do you think that's valid because of how it started or do you feel like that would have been valid the first episode. Yeah. Right. Or the first two maybe. Yeah. I don't know if that's still valid. I think like, like I said, like one day in that villa literally feels like a week. So let's say they filmed what 11, they have 11 episodes. They've probably been there for about 14, 15 days. So like these people think that they know. Like, and you do.

Like, you get to know these people. So, like, if, like, I'm just thinking about myself, like, whenever I was in that villa and, like, on day, like, episode 11, I felt like completely connected to Aaron. I felt like I knew him inside and out. And if he would betray me then, then I would be hurt. I would be really hurt. We heard sincere say to this cast that he, he was upset that he was matched with soul and that he desperately wanted to be, like, coupled up with Melanie. I think we all saw that as a lie. Is there any part of you that's been in part of Love Island and like, you know, maybe it's

the editor's editing. I just thought that was complete bullshit because every, like when he's with soul, he is staring into her eyes. Obsessed. He's deeply obsessed. And like, and maybe it's a better match for him. Maybe like I honestly, like I love Melanie. She seems great.

She seems like you said like you're seeing the whole arc of her. She is clearly someone who gives a shit. She tries. she can get feedback she can take accountability maybe she doesn't like change herself overnight but she at least is willing to hear that feedback but maybe sincere is this more of a low key guy but sincere does the thing that's very frustrating that you see with a lot of like relationships where he acts like he's not the toxic one because he always says he doesn't love the drama doesn't love the drama and then Melanie's like let me go like just let me go you don't if you're not into me that's totally fine but then he's doing the thing but no i want to like see where i want i want i want i want i want to keep trying. And it's just like, what part of your relationship with Melanie do you actually like? It's okay. You don't have to, you don't have to be into her. But he's like keeping her stuck and giving her this false sense of hope that's like not there. And like, as his cake, he's eating it too. Yeah, he's driving her not. He's the one driving her crazy. Yeah. Yeah, he is.

And I think that like ultimately, like I think that Melanie is like understands like, like we keep saying, like everyone needs to explore. I think Melanie understands that. And I think that like if he was just like open and honest, like, hey, I like I kissed her. And then like also like what about soul? Like it's not like he's even telling soul that he's saying this. Like everyone's talking about like him not saying to Melanie, but like he's not saying it to soul either. So I know for a fact this season they will have a movie night.

I know it. I know it for a fact. I mean, I just feel like they would. will. And from watching the season, like, if they had a movie night and they pull that out and, like, that's going to be great, great to watch. I can see soul, like, soul seems, I don't know, she just seems very self-aware. I don't know. She's, maybe that's an assumption. She does. She's very mature. Right. And I think she is, I think she really, like, sincere. But I think she's now starting to hear. As she gets closer with the women and the other women let her in, we saw that moment with Melanie, like, giving her a hug. She'll start hearing. some of the feedback that the women have, and I think she will pull away from Sincere. And I think that will be the moment

where they send Sincere to Casa, and they'll bring in a new bombshell. And I feel like sincere is like moving in a lot of ways like Aaron did, I feel like. We're like, yeah, he's a nice guy. He means well. Like he's friends with everyone, but in that effort to please everyone,

he's coming across as incredibly shady and selfish. Yeah. And whether it's right or wrong, yeah, he is, I think he is allowing himself to be produced in a way where he's going to feel like he got manipulated by producers without actually just ignited. Oh, 100%. Without just being like, well. 100%. I made that choice. Like, I didn't have to do this.

I didn't have to do that. They kept suggesting it. And I wanted to explore. And they're like, my experience is to explore. And like, Liz said this perfectly on movie night. I think she said this to Aaron. And he was like, this is my experience and I'm here to explore. And lives like, that's your experience.

But you don't have to ruin someone else experience by moving disrespectfully and not being honest. Like you can have your experience, babe. But like, respect other people's while you're, while you're enjoying your experience while you're moving the way you are. I think it was Bryce who pointed out to Sincere that you are affecting other people's feelings. And that's the part that doesn't seem to land with sincere that, yeah, make your choices. this is your experience, whatever. But like, it is affecting how people feel and that and you're doing that. You just have to be honest.

It's like, I just remember like I pray for like the soul and Melanie because I remember like the anxiety that you have like one like for me like you have anxiety like what did I not do well? You start comparing yourself. And then you also have the anxiety like it's embarrassing. Like it's embarrassing. Like you're on national television. It's like embarrassed.

It was embarrassing for me. they shouldn't be embarrassed and I shouldn't have been embarrassed but like in that moment I was and that's why I was so hurt I felt so stupid someone said sincere's parents named him on opposite day it's crazy because he like he came off as so sincere like truly at the beginning I was like wait he seems so sweet and even the way at the beginning when Melanie was a little bit like I don't know when she was doing the kiss between the two guys I was like ah you know I was like I don't know But, oh, I loved it. Oh, you loved it.

I love that. But I was like, I could see how it would like, it could hurt your partner's feelings or whatever. But, but now I'm like, oh, I think unfortunately he hasn't learned his life lessons before joining love I was. It's like the thing that young men learn about like, it's just like as long as I hold the door open for her. Yeah. I'm a good guy. I'm a nice guy. Yeah.

But if I feel something, my feelings are more important than your feelings. And then that and therefore I'm not doing something bad by. by focusing on my feelings first because I did all the put in the door for you. Yeah. So you are a nice guy. Yeah, yeah. I've heard guys be like, oh, I was so loyal to her.

Like, babe, that's the bare minimum. Like, I'm just like, like, why? Why? Like, I don't understand. Why is, like, the bare minimum is almost like, oh, well, I was so nice. Like, you were so nice. You did the bare minimum.

Not saying that. I'm just saying that, like, across the board. Like, I hear men say that all the time. Like, oh, well, like, I didn't do. that or like this? I'm like, bare minimum, babe. Like, okay. What did you think of the conversation between Zach and Kada? He's catching a lot of heat for it. Yeah. For those of you don't remember, they were lying in bed. And it seemed like Kada wanted to maybe fool around a little bit. And Zach was like, yo, can I ask you a tough question? And basically said, like, well,

if we do something physical and another bombshell comes in and we explore, I don't want to, it kind of came across as like he wanted to keep his office. options open. It did. It did. Hear me out, Kayla. I'm curious what you think. I honestly think he deserves a little bit of credit for that. Because on one end, if we're going to criticize the sinceres for just not being honest and trying to play both sides and be friends with everyone, sometimes you have to say the thing that's uncomfortable right away that might upset your partner, Kada, who like probably in that moment doesn't want to hear, hey, I don't want to make out with you because I might be like thinking about the girl

I don't even know exists. Right. But sometimes you do have to like say the hard thing right away and be honest, even though it is upsetting for your partner. You know what I'm saying? Because otherwise now Kada can move based off that information that like,

hey, I thought we were like really strong but like maybe we're not as strong as I thought. And if he wants to maybe keep his options open, now she can keep her like options open and she can also protect our heart a little bit as opposed to the sincere. If that was sincere, he would have just done the thing.

He would have made out with her. He would have gotten physical. And then would have been like, well, I didn't know someone was going to like come in. I couldn't have anticipated. And at least Zach is being honest with himself that he's not fully there.

And I just feel like we can't, we have to at least give him some credit for saying the thing. Even though, yes, it did it upset her? Is it hard to hear? Does anyone to hear that? No. But sometimes it is difficult to say

the thing because so many other guys are doing the thing. Well, I didn't tell you because I didn't want to upset you. I was going to say, like, as an audience, I feel like we have to live in this moment of like, okay, we are criticizing if you do or if you don't. I went like, I lose if I say it. I lose if I don't say it, you know? So I'm like, right now he's saying it. So I'm like, I kind of agree. And I'm curious what Kayla thinks because she's actually been in the villa. But I'm like, he's kind of doing what we're saying all the other guys should do. Yeah. I see where you guys are going with this. But I think that the, I hate that it was like the reason. around like associated with like sex like I wish that like it it could have just been like not about

sex and I think that's where like people are that's why people are have strong feelings about that because it was about like sexual things and it wasn't about like whether he wants to explore like I'm confused on that conversation because it's like do you just not want to like have sex or like fool around in the bed because like you may like do that with someone else or you're worried about how you're going to be perceived or things like that or is it like you don't know if another connection is going to walk in like and I hate that like it was prompted in that sense like in the bed like I wish that I could have watched that conversation not be associated with sex or sexual things at all but I see where I see where you guys are coming from yeah it's just

those are all often difficult moments and I get I totally get what you're saying it does feel like damned if they do damned if they don't yeah it does seem like Zach is a is a little bit is do you think he, a lot of people are comparing him to Ace from last season, kind of sticking his business in where maybe it doesn't belong, like telling Bryce that he doesn't think Trinity is that into him? Do you think that's him going too far or do you think that's him being a friend to Bryce? I didn't like that he did that. I didn't like that he did that at all because like, I think that Trinity is really into Bryce. Like, that's how I perceive things. So it's like, I don't think anyone should be talking about anyone's relationship. Like, just focus on your own. Like,

he'll figure it out. Just like, Zach will figure it out. I think Trinity, is being slept on like crazy. I do too. I do too. And I love her. I've loved her ever since she was like, I don't go to the gym.

Like I loved her. She's like so herself. And I like, I like that a lot. I think her, her man hasn't entered the villa yet. I agree. Baye said that on Afterson,

like it's like Bryce is her number one. And if it's not Bryce, she's going home. So. Okay. Curious, Kailer, what do you think? Do you think that's more because like right now there's no one in the,

villa that is it more like she can't picture someone else because no one else is there or do you think do you think that plays a role in her that if in that mindset or do you think it's just more trinity is just like she knows who she is she knows what you know what she likes and she doesn't like and maybe she just like her heart wouldn't allow her to even like someone else because she's you know she clearly moves slower she's intentional she obviously wants a slow burn with bryce and maybe she just knows that herself that way, or do you think it's because she just no, like, she doesn't have options

right now and she can't see the forest through the trees? I think she likes Bryce. I don't think she's just like playing it up. I think she likes Bryce and I mean, hey, there could be someone that comes in and changes her mind. But like, I love her so much, like, I'd support her, honestly. She's my favorite.

Bryce had the opportunity to try with Keda. So if someone came in and Trinity, like, like someone, I'm like, girl, go have a combo with them. Like, Bryce did the same thing. I feel like we've had so conversations between Trinity and Bryce where they're like, do you like me? Do you like me like that? I don't know how you feel. So I think they maybe need to have a little bit clear communication on what they're, you know, how they're really. Like have a serious convo about where they stand with each other and things like that. Or we send a hot bombshell in for her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think we need like met more men. Yes. More men. Would you want them to be a little older? Yeah, but like not too old, like not too like sophisticated, like, you know, maybe, I don't know, how old is Bryce? Is he like 30?

29, I think, 29, yeah. 29. And then you have Caleb who's 21. Wow, range. Yeah, I mean, I was 22 on the show, Cordell was 21. I think Cordell was 21. So, I mean, we had a big mix and we had like people who were like 29. So, I mean, yeah, I'd like to see like maybe like a 27-year-old, 28.

This has been a ton of fun. I really appreciate you letting us catch up with you and giving us some insight on all things Love Island. Yeah. Thanks for having me. You're friends with Iris, right? Yeah, yeah. How is she doing? I know she had Beyond the Villa fans were like kind of, so crazy.

I didn't really understand fans' reactions to that show. But how is your girl doing? And is she moving forward in a better place these days? Yeah, I actually was away filming. I was on Destination Act. So I was away filming when Beyond the Villa was airing. So I didn't see like any of that. So I have no idea how anyone was perceived.

And I know at the beginning before I left for the show, I saw Hannah like dealing with some stuff. So I made sure to like send her talks, but I'm here for them. But I'm here for them if they ever need anything. And at the end of the day, like the public will move on to something else. They always do. And it's tough. It's tough. You know, this industry is amazing.

It comes with like a lot of pressure and having to deal with like the public's thoughts and hate and DMs and all of it. But yeah, I love Iris and Hannah. They're great. And yeah, I'm nothing but great things to say about them. And I'm glad to see them like still posting and continue to pursue social media. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, Kayla, we appreciate taking the time. It's always great catching it up with you.

Where can people find you? Enjoy all the great things that you're doing right now. My TikTok, my Instagram, Kailer Martin, and then I just came out with a new podcast. You guys can watch it with Rob. It's called Kayla's Crash Out. Love it. Well, Kayla, thanks for taking the time. We appreciate you.

Best of luck going forward and everything you're doing. And we appreciate all the Love Island insights that you had to offer. Yeah, awesome. I'm going to send you guys some turtle wax too. Love it. Thanks, Kailer. Bye. Bye.

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But at the same time, like, it's, it doesn't alleviate people from their choices. Yeah. Which, yeah, it does make a little bit more sense if that was a conversation that maybe producers had with Bryce of like, oh, maybe. Because it did feel so at a left field. And even when he brought it up to Zach and Zach, like, laughed. And then he's like, oh, wait. Fuck. Sorry.

Like, you're serious. Honestly, I felt that because it did come off as like a joke. Yeah. But he didn't have to do it. But he didn't have to do it. He could have been like, no, that's weird. I'm like, I'm really starting to feel things with Trinity. I want to see where it goes.

I don't want to hurt her feelings. I'm friends with Zach. Like, he could have said all of those things and all it took potentially if it was a producer for a producer to give him that permission, you know, like the bad friend who's like, you know. Yeah, it's always, it's always bad friend. Right? Like your friend is out in their fuck boy era. Yeah.

And you met someone that you kind of like and you're a feeling, but your friend like doesn't want to lose the wing man or the wing woman. And they like kind of like feed you information that like isn't really in your best interest. But like, you know, we're all adults. Like you can't always blame the friend for like giving you the bad advice. You can just listen to yourself. Right. Or it's like when I mean, it's kind of different. But it's yeah, it was when you're like kind of getting serious with somebody, but it's not labeled.

or like exclusive yet and your friend's like but you're not it's not like technically you're like not committed right it's like that friend that gives the advice and then the person goes out and acts on it and any other person's hurt it's like that same kind of vibe you know i do i do think that's why baya got sent home i think she was giving too good of advice to cast people that was almost if if producers are the friend who wants you to buy the boat and lead you down the path that like i had a producer say this to me long ago. They're just, they want you to maximize your inner urges, right? So if you have Baya there being like, hey, let's think about this. Let's think about this. Let's, you know, I've been there before. Let's get her out immediately. You know, I, it's a great friend to have in life and a pain in the ass for

producers. And I wonder if, I wonder if that had anything to do with Baya not going the distance, because she was so grounded and so centered and sure of herself. And I wonder if she was just giving really good advice. She's like, do you really need to talk to, you know, do you really need to do that? I do love how when Kenzie was talking to Caleb and she's like, it's just like not a red flag, maybe yellow flag that you're just like younger than me. Yeah. You know, and he's like, yeah, but I, I turned 22 in November.

And she's like, yeah, I'm 24. Yeah. And like November is, I mean, like, much. I'm sorry, babe. She's like, I will also be older. I'll be 25. Yeah. But then also, Corbyn being 22.

I'm like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, true, true. What's the difference? They're both younger than you. Yeah. It's kind of like when a little kid is like, I'll be six and I'll be six this year. And you're like, oh, yay, good job. It's like this little girl at the park, River will hang.

She can hang for so long. River can? Yes, for so long. Honestly, everyone's always like, oh my gosh. That's kind of crazy. She just hangs off of a bar. Wow. And there was this older girl who was kind of doing the monkey bars and whatever watching her.

And River was hanging. I'm like, wow, Riv, it's so good. It's like, you've been hanging for 10 minutes. And then the older girl was like, well, I can hang for 20 minutes. And I was like, oh, okay, well, she's only two. And she was like, well, I'm six. I'm like, okay. She's like, and my brother's three.

And I'm like, okay. Yeah. It's those kids that want to win regardless of what it was. Right. And then her mom told me that they fight like sisters. And I was like, I understand that. Yeah, and I would too. It makes sense.

But we had also the Rhode Island finale, and it would definitely do not disappoint. I just can't believe Brian put a tracking device on her car. So creepy. Do you think he asked Rula to be like, hey, let's share each other's locations, and she said no? But even the way that she explained, like,

how she found out where she was like, he started saying things where I was like, I feel like I'm being. Well, and even prior to them picking up cameras in this episode, when you watch it, you kind of like go back and forth of like, okay, so Rula does know, but she's protecting her marriage on screen. And you're like, wait, but she doesn't know that because then Brian's now admitting to something and then walking in the room and not even telling her that he admitted to it. Well, even at the dinner, I, you know, not knowing every detail and knowing that sometimes, you know, how TV is made, sometimes like there could have been an old rumor that the show is like, well, let's just make this rumor feel a little bit more newer. So, that it's like storyline. Brian and Rula almost had me convinced that maybe that this was something from the past. They kind of talked about it. Yeah.

Right? And almost as if like he's kind of talked to Rula about it and Rula like doesn't want to see the video because it's like, yo, like we're dealing with this. Like all you're doing is this like putting salt on a wound that I'm in the process of healing. Yeah. And like kind of had me convinced that what it was cut to cameras being picked up that like, think about it. Brian was at this dinner with all these people being called out on camera,

admitting to like the affair, but in real time trying to convince all of us and the people he's sitting next to that's in the past, only for it to still be going on and for him to double down on this affair instead of like stopping it, realizing maybe you know what, honestly got really close there. This could have blown up my whole life, my whole marriage. He doubles down and instead puts a tracking device on her car so that he can, I'm assuming, try to like, avoid her. Avoid her or like, you know, hide the mistress under the desk if Rula shows up, whatever it is to like try to essentially keep the affair going and not get caught. When I imagine being Rula where she said the way she realized was he was saying things where she's like,

how do you know that? Yeah, like how weird. That's even more intrusive too. He's like, oh, did you see so-and-so at the bank, and she's like, I didn't tell you that I went to the bank. He's like, yeah, no, I assumed that you went to the bank. She goes to the BMW and then they're the ones that are like, we can't remove that. You need to go to the police? It's insane. Yeah. And how is there

only two parts for reunion? Because I feel like I could get two full episodes of them interrogating Brian. I'm surprised he shows up. Me too. Yeah. Like, I mean, we're going to figure out whether they're together. Wait, was the reunion before the arrest or after? I think after. before. Well, we don't know.

Okay. Yeah, that's a good, because I think it's after. I think it's after. Oh, is it? Okay. Yeah. I hope so. I want. Do we know when those mugshots were taking? Because we do have a general timeline of when the reunion was filmed. I love how at the table, Liz pulls like, what's something someone in the group wants to know or we should know about you, but we don't. She's like, I'm going to ask Jared. And he's like, I love Rhode Island. She's like, okay. Okay. All of those questions were meant for Brian. And they kept. passing him off to other people. Yeah. Yeah.

I can't imagine sitting next to somebody and being like, the problem is next to me. Like I am not that bold. What's Kelsey's boyfriend's name? They kept cutting to him and you could tell he was so uncomfortable. He kept going like this the whole time. I can't imagine. I literally can't imagine. I could never do it.

So they filmed that a month after the show originally wrapped. So it's before the reunion. Yeah, which is also confusing with the time. I just googled, there's an article that says October 2025. Is when they did the reunion? No, when the moonshot was taken. So I think it's when they filmed.

So yeah, he was arrested long before the reunion. Right. So we'll talk about the arrest at the region. Yeah. I think Brian's this type of guy who thinks he can talk himself out of anything. It makes me sad, though, because honestly, when the girls were sitting around and she was opening up, it still feels like, like, that's not enough to leave him. You know, she's still, because they're like, what are you going to do?

And she's like, I don't know. And it's like, damn, you don't know? She's protecting. I mean, it's tough when you have kids together in a whole life and this big gorgeous house and divorce can like ruin all those things. It's heavy. You know, I do think it's a little easier to just tell someone they should leave a situation. Yeah.

I agree. But I also think, and this is not me saying like you shouldn't do the show or something because I don't, I would hate to let a man ruin an opportunity for a woman. But I'm like, damn, if you really. really don't want to have to relive this. Like if you don't want people coming up and showing you videos, if you are okay with him doing this and tracking you and going, like, if you're accepting that, okay, cool, but like, you're just going to have to own that, which she kind of did.

You got to talk about it. You can't be like, sorry, this is a closed door. Right. No one try and make this a thing. No one bring me any information. It's going to be a thing. Well, she did agree to shoot that scene. Yeah, that's true.

You know. She dropped the charges in December, too. So we know that. Okay. And then according to Joellen, following the rest, he had his mistress pick him up from jail. That's crazy. Wow. It makes me sad for her.

I know. I will say, Alicia, she is just such perfect television. That reproposal where he's like, all right, this is a restart. And she's like, well, she keeps going to the past. Yeah. She's like, I don't know. And she was like, do I need a stand up? Are you going to get down on your knee or something?

That was a really sweet moment. That was. And it was also like, he clearly is not good at being romantic. Yeah. And not that, you know. But it was sweet for him to acknowledge that and do his little thing. Yeah. I think Andy, she was like, and on Watch What Happens Live, I think she was like, oh, he really tried to be romantic.

And he's like, oh, he tried. And he's like, did he succeed? And she's like, well, no, but I appreciate him trying, you know. And it's like, she's talking about the first one. And she's like, I had bronchitis. I had leukic is all down my throat. She's so cute And she talked about like

What was the pop Like the fudge pop Which does create like a lot of mucus You know I related It was a good finale It was good I think I would

This is gonna sound bad But I think I might have been Disappointed if the arrest didn't happen Because it was It was coming together a little bit Like people were forgive There was a lot of forgiveness I felt like amongst the women

Like Joellen in them I think There was some forgiveness It felt like Brian was gonna get away with it Exactly yeah So then I'm like Oh here we go You guys watched Ivana

right? What did you think of specifically Portia's sister's advice, Ask Nick advice, where she said surface level you should date five people so you can eliminate one if there's a red flag? I mean, I think Kinsey needs to take that advice on Love Island because she's like, I don't know how to have a roster. I had a friend tell me this exact same thing recently. I think it works. Yeah, I was kind of shocked by that because and it makes sense though because if you're focused on one person, you're going to overlook the little things because you're just, you want it to work or whatever. But if you know that you have options, I've never been able to do it. That's my issue. It's like I can't. I just am like, I'm committed to the guy that doesn't even know I exist. I think it makes sense, but I feel like

it's in the category of like Kyle and Amanda. Like maybe you guys need to move out and not live together to see how you miss each other, you know, and like that never works. And I just feel like, Porsche is old enough to be able to recognize red flags. And I don't know if you need to date other people in order to have the red flags that should be probably obvious in order to like

recognize the red flags and the person you like the most. I don't know what I'm saying? Like I think some, I think you're better off just like seeing how people show up for you and acknowledging it without trying to make excuses for them and just maybe know that like you, you know, have a,

crush on them or whatever it is. But like, I think it's advice that makes sense. But in practicality, I think it's just a little messier. Yeah. It's messy. I mean, she was saying that the guy she was dating found out because she went on a panel and was like, well, I'm dating a girl and I'm dating a guy. And then I got picked up. But I mean, the part to me that's about this episode was Dennis giving her back the ring. The fact that he called off the marriage in previous years, then Dennis calls all this drama in previous season with Drew. And then now he's giving her the ring and being like, well, I kept this because maybe like eventually like I never knew maybe I could give it back

to you and like her having to be like you're not the drama you're the trauma oh yeah powerful that is powerful that's a powerful line yeah that he gave her the ring back he gave it back but he was saying like I mean they had like a back and forth relationship and he ultimately called it off back

then so and then she's saying to hear now you tell me that you kept it because you thought that one day maybe you'd be able to give it back to me in a romantic sense is what it was But why is he? Yeah, but why did he, he's not giving it back

in a romantic way now. I think he's like half-assing it. You know, when people do that when they realize you're moving on and they're kind of like, okay, well, here's. Yeah, here's this little nugget. I kept this just in case.

Just in case, yeah. And that, I, that would. We really hate it when people move on from us. Exactly. You know? Exactly. Because you realize you lost the power. Right.

Yeah, I don't want you. I don't want you, but I don't want you to get over me. Yeah. Type of stuff. That's, I feel like this is very, like, that's sincere. He's not ready to let Melanie go. Exactly.

Because he's not entirely sure of him and Sol are going to end up together. But like he still seems to like Soul more than he likes Melanie. Yeah, which is why I think breadcrumbing becomes a thing. Like people want to keep their options open, but they want to explore other things. So they're like, well, let me give a little bit here. Let me say, oh, but I did, I've been thinking about you in the back of my head for the past, you know, however many years. I thought maybe someday. And then it's like, damn, that taps into like whatever wound or pain point.

You know, it's like... It's called orbiting, right? When you like stay in someone's orbit. Yes. I'm getting more and more fascinating with Pinky's financial situation. And last episode she talked about her husband is very financially successful. Does that mean that their finances are like separate? Well, her husband owns like a really successful food franchise.

And I think she also did, but they were successful before they got together, I believe. So they keep it separate. Maybe, yeah. Maybe it's just like two different businesses. It's just interesting that she's going through all. this kind of financial issues and owe these people's money and then you know she's had to file for bankruptcy with her businesses but yet her husband is by her words doing financially well it's just yeah it's kind of very fascinating i wonder if and i'm not saying because i actually don't know that

much about pinky or her businesses um that would be a tough position though to be in a relationship and to have one business each have a business one business is thriving and the other person has businesses that are not thriving, that would be hard because if you're both business people, once you mix family with business, I mean, you've done it. And it's, it can be hard to work with cousins, siblings, parents, like that dynamic can be really tough. That's why I appreciate her sharing it. Yeah. Well, she's also said she like didn't share a lot of these like financial struggles with him for a while. Yeah. Oh, that's that's not good either though. More fascinating. Yeah. And like him being like, no, we're going to get out of the.

this. It's a very powerful, like, dynamic that they're sharing. Yeah. And it's vulnerable for her, too, because I think she probably seemingly carries a lot of pride of like, I've always been independent. I've always, like, been this go-getter. And then to have to ask for help, I think for any, like, independent woman is like,

damn, I didn't want to have to, I didn't have to show my cards. I want everyone to see me as this person that I am. But sometimes you make mistakes or you, or things just fail, even if you don't make a mistake. Yeah. Well, and Pinky brought us the roller skating part of it. Love that. Adrian K. Michelle using the trainers.

I thought that was iconic. Well, that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guest, Kailor Martin, and thank you guys for listening. We'll certainly have more jam-packed episodes lined up for you this week. Thank you guys for listening. Don't forget to check out my substack, which will be out tomorrow.

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