The Viall Files - E1144 - Beatriz Talks CRAZY Love Island Drama, The Summer House Bonus Episode Breakdown

Episode Date: June 18, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  So… that Summer House bonus episode was… certainly filled with a lot of words! Any of them true? We'll get to it. Before that discussion, however, the one and only Beatriz stops by to get into EVERYTHING Love Island USA Season 8. How was her time at the villa? What's up with Melanie and Sincere? Does she know she's beloved? All that, and more!  "You know what? He knows where to find me." Nick is on Substack! Subscribe here: https://nickviall.substack.com/subscribe  HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE? Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content? Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Helix Sleep: Go to https://helixsleep.com/viall for 20% off Sitewide, 25% off Luxe Mattresses, and 30% off Elite Mattresses. Nutrafol: Right now, when you buy any Nutrafol Men hair growth supplement subscription, you get two free gifts — a full-size 2-in-1 shampoo and conditioner plus a hair serum, a $93 value — plus 20% off a subscription. Take advantage of this great deal at https://nutrafol.com  Minky Couture: Visit https://minkycouture.com and use code VIALL at checkout for 50% off all full priced blankets. Shipstation: The sooner you switch, the sooner you start saving time and money. Get started with ShipStation today and get sixty days free at https://shipstation.com, with code viall. Rakuten: Join for free at https://rakuten.com or download the Rakuten app to start saving money today. David Protein: Head to Walmart today to try a bar or stock up on 4CTs of your favorite flavors, like Blueberry Pie and Salted Peanut Butter, sold exclusively at Walmart. To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 05:00 - Bea Joins 22:19 - Love Island 58:54 - Summer House 01:14:42 - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy    @bhatz_track @ciaracrobinson @susiecevans @justinkaphillips @baybaeee

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What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Val Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by the household. Nally, the babies have flipped the wrong. baby flipped. We're back up. Both, both head up. Oh, yeah. So we're just, we're going backwards. It's giving you. You're going to give birth to gymnast. Yes. I thought it was good news because the wrong baby flip, baby B was head down. Okay. Baby is it only has to do with baby A for anyone who's confused by why we're talking about

this. Nali is hoping, obviously, health of the child, health of the babies is come first. Depending on who your doctor is and their comfort level sounds like what we've learned. is that it's all about baby A. Baby A needs to be head down. And if that's the case, then there's a chance you can have a vaginal birth. Yep. Exciting.

Yep. Because a C-section is still surgery and there's a recovery process. Natalie personally, and everyone to each their own, is hoping to be able to do that. And then baby B flipped. Are there movements you can do? And this is just me genuinely asking to like get the baby A to flip? Like, can you move your body? I've been seeing a like chiropractor.

baby flipper massage therapist. Oh, you're going to one. Yes. And the first time I went to him, after that first time, baby B flipped, head down. Second time, I'm like, oh, my God, you got baby B wrong baby, but you did get one to flip. And the way I said this is good news because he did say they are sometimes opposite. They're yin and yang. That does feel like a good sign.

So if baby B would, so baby B has to go back. So now baby A. They could both be head down. But he said unlikely. Well, no, he said I have a lot of room in my pelvis, and they could both be head down. That's the most comfortable. Where? But literally.

But the twins do like to be a yen and a yang. But after the second time I saw him, then Baby flipped back up. So I'm like, what are you doing? Clearly, whatever you do does work. Can we do that on the other side? Yeah. Don't touch my right side anymore. I'm just curious, can you feel the flipping?

No. Oh, wow. That's incredible. So how do you know? I just have to keep going. Yeah. So I see my doctor. I figure out like, okay, they're both head up.

I go see him. He does what he has to do the next week. I see my doctor. Oh my gosh. Hate to be fixated on the handstands, but like, why is that not working? You know, he didn't seem, when I told him that I was doing the handstands in the pool, he didn't seem to like, oh, yeah, keep going. He made a joke like, are you getting good at it?

Yeah, it wasn't like unrelated. Okay, cool. Good cool. Yeah. And also it's just like I don't like a whole pool thing. It's just I just, I don't even want to wash my hair as it is. And like if I'm swimming in the pool, that's a lot of, that's a lot of maintenance. I have to do that I don't have the energy to do.

Fair. That's a lot. I'm really proud of you. Yeah. But yeah. Well, we have an absolutely jam-packed episode for you lined up. So much to get into. Obviously we have the Summer House bonus episode.

We have two more amazing episodes. of Love Island. Beah is with us. The second islander to leave the island is with us and talks with us about her experience. Obviously, her thoughts and feelings on the cast in the villa right now. So what a great conversation with Baya. She is coming up shortly. So we're very excited about obviously our guest. And then obviously we'll break down all the great TV that we had last night. Well, Beah is here. So we're about to get to the star of this episode. But before we do, do not forget that Offiles Plus is at. ad free and available to all of you.

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Let's bring them in. Right now, it's Beah. Baia, we're so excited to have you. Welcome to the show. How are you? Oh, my gosh. Thank you guys for having me. I'm sensational.

Love that. Are you stateside? Are you back in the USA? Yeah, I'm back in San Diego. Finally. Okay. Well, what has been like the decompression like for you? Obviously, such a hive and experience just to

beyond love island. So many of us are sad to see you go. Like, how have you processed you being, as I say, dumped from the island? Yeah, I was dumped from the villa. I wasn't like the most emotional up until the end. When I saw Gabriad cry, I was like, whoa, man tears. This is crazy. Like, you're genuinely upset. So it kind of made me like upset. I had my connection with him. And so there's that, my connection with my friends. So it was like grieving the fact that I'm not going to be seeing these people that I've been, you know, eating, sleeping. Like just like being around 24-7 with. And like it was weird.

But then at the same time, I was like, oh, fuck yeah. I get to see my dog. I get to friends. I get to go back to the tribe. I get to sleep. Yeah, I can sleep. I can do all these things. So one of the things that I immediately did was just.

just get back on the track on Monday. So I was training again and just kind of, that's a way to get away from it. But then, you know, social media, it's like, that's all I see. So what are your events in track? I ran in college. Oh, I run the 100, 200 and I long jump. Nice. Awesome. Is someone who's a huge fan of track and field, how did you get into that? Was it an early age? Did someone recommend it to you? Were you washing it on TV and be like, I want to do that? No, actually. So I got into it as a freshman in high school, and it was part of like a bet in a joke with a friend. She was like, oh, you've done softball and basketball and you beat me at all these other sports. I know what I'll beat you at. I'll beat you at track and field. Mind you, I only had a walking prosthetic at the time. I didn't have one made for running. So these weigh like five to seven pounds. It's like having.

having a little ankle weight shot to you when you run. And yeah, the bet was just basically who could make one varsity track meet first as a freshman. And I did it. And I ended up really enjoying it. Sophomore year olds around. I tried it again. Went to a state qualifying meet and a coach had seen me there. And he was like, oh, like, can you run 30 meters from me real quick?

And my little spiteful ass, I was so like, I had such a big chip on my shoulder. shoulder and I was like oh you don't think I can you don't think I can and I did it came back and he was like no I just you want to be on my club team and he actually was the one to push me into the paralympics and then you know I was 17 years old and made team USA for juniors and then got pulled up to the adult team and been doing it ever since that's incredible what did that do you feel like you being involved in athletics and specifically track and field like helped you you know, with just confidence and just did it open up like the world and turn and make you ask like what else could I do? Because quite honestly like you just being on love island, like the amount of

people who try to get on the show like literally tens of thousands of people down to a select few is in itself. It's a huge accomplishment. Did that have that positive impact? It made you go, fuck it. What else can I accomplish? Like maybe I'll be president someday. Yeah, absolutely. It did. And once I like stepped on the track with all these other like Paralympic athletes, that gave me so much confidence. I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, believe it or not. And 17 years old was when I decided to wear shorts in public for the first time. So I spent 17 years of my life trying to hide my disability. And mind you, I'm 25 now.

So it's not that long. And yeah, just seeing all these like strong. powerful women and they didn't care about what they looked like. They cared about what their times were on the track. They didn't care that like this or that. And so once I got into that space, I was like, wow, I really, I really have been wasting so much time worrying about something that really doesn't matter or shouldn't matter. And that gave me the confidence to really just be like, well, let me do anything. Like, why not? Now we're on hell of side quest. doing random stuff.

That's amazing. I enjoyed watching you so much from very early on. You seemed like you were just like really emotionally grounded. Like you could process your feelings. Like I went on reality TV when I was like 33. But I was more like Melanie where like you, I, you know, these are very intense environments and I would feel and I would react and I feel like I'm fairly emotionally mature. But in these environments, they're pressure cookers.

Where does this come from in your ability to be able to like so. kind of like be able to feel something but still process in real time. It feels like you are in control your feelings in a way that many of us have a hard time doing in these atmospheres. Well, first of all, thank you for saying that that means a lot. And I think that what has gotten me to the point where I am like emotionally grounded, I would say honestly, my disability has a big thing to like do with it because like I grew up That way, grew up with my disability,

your brain to care about it and having to kind of process that. And with that, I also started going to see my sports psychologist, which she also does, like, therapy because your life outside a track impacts your performance on the track. So I think a combination of just having to grow up really quickly because of my disability and finally speaking to a sports psychologist and a therapist, I think those two things really helped me create a like,

just emotional like regulator. You said you were thinking about maybe like exploring something was sincere, but you didn't want to blow up the villa after seeing these last couple episodes of how sincere has continued to move. I thought he said something last night that was really interesting where he was like, I'm going to be someone's bad guy. And I felt like, you know what? That really encapsulate who is sincere is because he's so focused on being the good guy

that like no matter who he's in front of, he's just saying what he needs to say to make them happy in the moment. But at the end of the day, he's not realizing how selfish it is and how disingenuous it comes across. But like maybe, you know, you got to know these people. You got to be in the villa with them. How do you read that situation? Being outside the villa, I'm like, whoa, I didn't know that these are other conversations that people are having because when you're in the villa, you're having your own conversations.

You're doing your own chats. You're seeing like hanging out with your own kind of click. And so there were a couple things that I didn't know. I still have to go back and rewatch the whole thing. But as for like sincere, I don't think I would have like really explored with him too much. but I think it's hard, right? Because I do see him his point of like, oh, I don't want to be a bad guy.

But that's, yeah, you are going to be somebody's bad guy when you're too afraid to speak up for yourself. And I think he's so much more afraid of hurting somebody else's feelings that he's not realizing that his actions are hurting somebody else's feelings. Regardless of your intent. So intent versus outcome are very. different and I think he he might have like pure intentions but he's going about it in a way that you know the outcome isn't going to be great he is going to be hurting both of these girls at the

same time and I truly don't think that's his intention I think it's more of like dang I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings so I'm going to hurt everybody's feelings the internet seems to be very much like on one end it's like team Casey they feel like and Anaya is being, you know, a little too nitpicky or whatever you want to call it. I'm more like I understand where Anaya's coming from because for me, like I think the thing he said to Anaya early on made Anaya feel really seen and validated in a way that was like this guy wouldn't say something like this to me if he wasn't serious about it. But then you see him talk to Sol.

And it just seems like he's playing like a little safer version of what's. sincere is doing. If I'm Anaya, I'm a little confused. But again, I'm curious, how have you read it? You were in the villa. Like, maybe we're being too hard on Casey because we love Anaya so much. How do you see it? Yeah, I love both Anaya and Casey.

They're both, like, great people. They have amazing personalities. I think they go great together. Okay. As far as their situation, I think, you know, on one hand, Casey is allowed to explore. That's what you're there for at the villa. but on the other like yeah take an eye as like feelings into account just be like very transparent but i think he's been like pretty forward with her again i need to go back and rewatch all the

episodes so i can't um fully speak on like oh i know this for a fact i i just know from my own experienced. But yeah. Did you get a chance to see Kada and Trinity kind of come forgave a little bit in your defense? Yes, I saw that. Those are my girls, girl. Oh, my God. What did you think? I clapped. I clapped literally. Like, I was like, yes. My girls got me. They're so funny and, like, I don't know. I love them so much. I know you said that you probably wouldn't like explore Gabriel outside of this because he would probably be with Jen. Do you still feel that way or do you feel like, you know, whatever happens, happens? I think whatever's meant to be is whatever is meant to be.

As of now, I'm not particularly like, ooh, like I'm still waiting for you. I think my emotions were high when I was leaving the villa and I was very like, you know, what. He knows where to find me. But I'm seeing, okay, well, what I've seen, you know, and it's like, well, maybe he's not going to even really need to come find me. So, yeah, whatever happens happens. And if he's happy with Jen, then that's great for both of them. How did you leave things with Melanie when you left the villa? We left everything like good and fine. I don't know why people think that like we have this beef, but like she's still. One of the girls I've talked to her.

We've had chats that hadn't been shown. And, like, obviously, I wasn't able to talk to her one last time before I got dumped from the villa. But still, all love on my end. I know she's got love for me. And I think we kept reassuring each other that, like, you know what? No matter what is said outside of the villa, we're the only people that really know what went on in here. So what is said on the internet or what is said outside in the world can be said because we know what went down in here. If we made you pick, is sincere and Melanie going to end up and survive the villa and end up together?

Or do you feel like they will find love in other places? What would be your guess as of today? My guess, you know what? I'm so on the fence because Melanie has showed so much like emotional growth in such a short time. And I think that's because she took a step away from sincere. I think their initial relationship was such a roller coaster and such a tit for tat in push and pull that that wasn't great for either of them. But then now I'm seeing this other version of her of like she's a little bit more like calm grounded and like, you know, but she was able to express her feelings sort of sincere. They made their way back to each other.

and hopefully they could go on this more positive, like, path instead of this, like, push and pull. But CASA's coming up. So I'm very curious about how it's going to go with their track record. I think it's more logical to say that I wouldn't expect them to do, like, to be together outside the villa. But you also never know. like she just showed a lot of growth. So maybe they could really work out. But, you know, you never know.

Speaking of Casa, who do you think will explore and step out of their couple? I think I think Corbyn might step outside of his couple to explore. I think Gabriel will step outside his couple to explore. He only knows how to explore. Yeah. Yeah, he does. those are the two made sincere any of the girls do you think or do you think they're all secure all the girls you know what i feel like they all got emotionally attached like very early on i was like

guys we're we're supposed to be talking to everybody this a villa like we this is a dating game um the only way i could see any of the girls stepping outside i think kensie would i know you have to get going uh so we have i'm going let's try to sneak in two questions one's a real quick question with Kenzie and Corbyn. I was surprised to see the connection after really a coupling. Did they have a lot of chemistry that we didn't get to see that we're seeing now because it seemed like I was kind of surprised. And then my final question, and then I know you have to go and I really appreciate you taking the time is,

I'm about to be a dad of three girls under three. I would love to know, like, what advice do you have for young women as they, like, you know, grow up, whether they want to get into athletics or they're, you know, getting into dating or their career, you know, what advice you have for young women to, like, find their most confidence self and to just be as resilient as you have clearly have throughout life? So for the first question about Kenzie and Corbyn, I think they did develop, like, a connection. I don't know how strong. Yeah, I think because I'm not in their connection, I can't really say.

I think, mind you, like, a lot of their chats were away from the rest of the group. So who knows what kind of things that they really did talk in detail about or what version of each other they gave each other. Like, you know, the version of me that Trinity knows is a different version than Gabriel knows, right? So there's different versions of yourself, different pieces of yourself that you give others. And America only knows AI version of Corbyn's. Yes. America only knows AI, Corbyn. But he, I'm sure, is multifacisting. that it has different layers. So who knows, I think they could have a strong connection,

but I would not be surprised if both of them stepped outside to explore. It's interesting that it wasn't obvious to you. So thanks for answering that. Yeah. And then as for your question, for your three under three, first of all, that's crazy. I hope you're getting sleep. I think, like, just some advice for, like, girls to grow up and be strong. It's like, don't, like, yeah, nobody can tell you not to do something.

thing. Just do whatever you want because you are powerful, you are strong, you are worthy, you are valued. And the only person stopping you from doing anything really is yourself. Once you become confident in yourself, you could do anything that you really set your mind to. As corny as that sounds, you have to be your biggest supporter. Yes, my mom loves me and supports me, but it's not going to matter if I don't believe in myself. I could have everybody believe in me. I could have an entire stadium of people really believe in me. But if I doubt myself, I'm not going anywhere. So I guess at the end of day, just don't ever doubt yourself. Love that. Beah, thanks so much for taking the time. We were very sad to see you leave the island,

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Gone too soon. Yeah, like I kind of wish they would have kept her for like a cost of more twist or something because she's just good energy. But could you imagine like being eliminated from the villa then they're like, okay, go back to your hotel for like a week or two and then we'll send you to cop. Like you're already away from your...

Like, do you really want to do all that, you know? I'd be missing my dog too. That's a good question. I mean, like... Like just to watch. Because I'm sure they're going to like, they continue watching because obviously the bombshells watch before they come in. So it's like, do you really want to watch? Some of my favorite, like the connections is when they do do that kind of stuff where somebody had a strong connection in the beginning, get sent out.

And then they end up being a bombshell in Kasa. And it's like, oh, I've built this whole relationship with somebody else moving on. And then it's like, was it real? Was it not? And I feel like Gabriel, him crying and the whole thing, like I really would have loved to see his reaction to seeing Beia again. Yeah. You know. Yeah.

You're right. Somebody's got to give me a producing job. I thought it was really interesting when I asked her about Kenzie and Corbyn that she was like, you know, maybe they're in love. I don't know. Like, but it wasn't obvious to her. But that also makes sense if you're like just having private conversations and growing your connection privately.

Like if they're not. Like it seems like all of them except for Gabe and Jen and they had a conversation of like PDA and how do you feel about that. No one's really like... very touchy-feely, very, like, showing that they are in love in front of everyone. I don't know. I guess I just got the impression that she was kind of like, I don't know, maybe. It's not that big of a villa.

And you see who's, like, going to go talk to each other. And we do now, we know, obviously, a lot of these chats are either encouraged or set up by producers. You know, it happens on every ITV show. A lot of it is just to, like, that's how we as fans, kind of get updated on what we think these islanders are thinking about their relationship, other people's relationships. But also, like, the thing, you know, they are noticing, you know, who is gravitating towards who.

And I just got the impression that, like, when we asked her about it, she wasn't like, yeah, there's definitely like a, they have a thing. There's a chemistry there. You know what I'm saying? Where I felt like. It wasn't like a Leah Miguel situation where everyone was like, oh, in the villa, you could tell that these two people were drawn together, but everyone was trying to keep them apart.

But also something I noticed was, I feel like Kenzie's not, I don't know if she's not trusting the original girls, but do you guys notice how she's like investing a lot of her conversations on the bombshells? So I almost wonder if I don't know what happened or why that is that she feels like this need to be friends with the new girls, but I'm like, is she keeping things more private from the original girls for some reason? I feel like it probably has to do with the fact that Corbyn is in a couple with Melanie Yeah. And obviously Anaya and Trinity like are friends with Melanie.

Right. So it's like. And also Zach, the first chance he got kind of bailed on Kenzie and went to go be with Kada. And so I wonder if she's just kind of feeling like she doesn't really have like, I don't know. Or if she feels like she can't trust girls. Like they're really close. Every time they're like they're always talking. So that's also like maybe she's not. Well also to your point too, there was that game where it was just like Kenzie. was chosen as the girl that would like do something behind your back or stuff like I feel like maybe she probably also thinks that these girls probably have a different

perception of her right and she probably feel safer with the new girls yeah so that's why I'm like when she asked Corbyn to lie it's like you're going to regret that that is like Cardinalson that's the Cardinalson of reality TV and honestly it would have been if we didn't have that mailbox challenge

because if they would have had to keep that secret longer then like yeah that would have for sure blown up but the whole mailbox in the letter thing where I was also like Chef's Kiss. That was a great producing. That was a great game because I was like the pie one that they had recently. I was like this is just cruel. Because the

UK version is the Snogmarry pie so it's like each person has like three things that they're giving away and there's there's a room for compliments in there where I was like this was literally like who do you think is the worst person that's going to steal your man pire. And it's just like that's like I just feel like soul's just going through humiliation

ritual at this point on this show. A lot of it. She went through it again. when sincere didn't pick her. And the man has like, I couldn't believe he picked Melanie. He has constantly just reassured soul time and time and time again. And then you have Jen being like, I will say the only thing I'm worried about is like, he did switch up on Melanie pretty quick. And I'm like worried he's going to do that to you. Those one-on-one conversations between him and soul is him very much being like her being like, I feel safe.

I'm just really enjoying like how our communication is open. And he's like, yes, you are everything. I feel, I feel great. then it's like he gets with his boys and it's like whatever girl he's coupled up with he's like man i'm just like 50 50 i just i don't i just can't and i'm like i don't feel bad for you sir like i'm like you you need to learn either how to pick something and stick with it i think he picked melany because he knew that like he probably has at least one more strike with soul where he had none left with melany like he's already switched up on melny and i feel like if he would

have picked soul that would have put like the cough and the nail with his relationship with Melanie. Yeah, but I think he can pick Melanie now and he can still keep doing the same dance. He could go to Soul and be like, I just felt like America broke us up before we had. And I just wanted to explain it. He's going to come up with something and he's going to still talk to

Saul. I feel like there's a chance, Sol is this going to be like, you know what? I don't know. I'm done with you. I hope so. I have a feeling that both of these girls are about to get real disappointed with Casa more coming up. I really do think he's going to be the first one that's like,

oh man, I didn't see her coming and he will come back with somebody else. Yeah, but I feel like I'm worried for Melanie. And again, I blame sincere because I think sincere is doing the thing that's causing her to be stuck with so many of our, you know, like, yeah, sure. Eventually, Melanie will have to do what Sierra had to do, which is to like, you know, not believe the bullshit, not believe all the hopes and all the breadcrumming and all the things they say and just be like, you know what? You're not going to follow through. but that takes a whole fucking process and obviously in Love Island it's difficult to do and right now

she is taking sincere at his word of the I miss you I want to be with you I still feel And then he goes back to the boys and he's like yeah so she said that like she really missed me and I'm like you said that first right you liar but I think that when

he goes to Casa more she will be I'm worried that Melanie will be waiting and hoping that sincere won't do anything while avoiding maybe it kind of exploring her bombshells but ultimately like her heart will be with sincere and i think my hope i think soul will like actually lock in with a new bombshell i think she isn't is like you know melanie has this kind of like high school love with sincere

where she's just like i'm crushing on them i don't know why if she's decided that he is the type of person that he could she could date outside of the villa and i don't feel like soul is is there yet and i I wish Melanie wouldn't tell herself that yet, but I think that it allows her to be as passionate as she is about sincere in a way that I think is going to get her in trouble. At least her heart in trouble. Yeah, I just hope that there's just like a cookie cutter, like straight to her tea of like a guy that walks in and Kosovoa that she's like, all right, what have I been doing with sincere this entire time? Because I'm just tired of him winning. For Melanie? Yeah.

I'll say I feel like Kinsey was kind of stringing Caleb Long. Yeah. I do too. But I also am like, I don't, he's not giving us a lot. I don't really feel like I know anything about him. He kind of locked in on Kenzie and then it was just kind of like, oh, America put us together. Sweet. And like hasn't really had a lot of chats with other people.

He wrote a very sweet letter. Oh my gosh. It was beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah. He is 21 years old. And I must, I couldn't imagine being 21 years old in the. that villa being the

youngest period and the youngest guys and like it's just It doesn't feel like everyone's super open If I'm being honest like Soul made a comment I think like two episodes ago and she was like Since you're the only one that even showed any kind of interest

And so like I had to kind of pursue that And that's one Just so crazy because everybody looked at her and was like wow Like true bombshell beautiful And she's obviously so kind But it doesn't feel like most people I think people are getting becoming afraid of like what the internet

is saying like I feel like a lot of people on the show have seen what has happened before and they're like the safe route is to just like hunker down with one person which is probably good for a human connection but for a TV show I'm like they're sending in these bombshells and they're trying to bombshell and I feel like nobody's open

I'm so glad that you said that because I kind of feel the same way too where I'm like the thing that's like that was fun about Love Island right is that it's like everybody is bantering and and mixing and matching and pulling people for chats. And it's like, no shame in your game because that's what we're here for. But yeah, it felt like everything. And there's usually like one couple, right?

Like the Kaler and Aaron that like from the jump. And then it's like everyone else is just kind of like mixed salad. Like we don't know. Some might come together. Some might not. And I feel like this season specifically, especially maybe just trying to like write the wrongs of last season as well. Like I just feel like everyone's far too locked in on the idea of being locked in

with another person that I'm like in the grand scheme of things you've been there for what a week that it's like I don't know this like having fights that are like real couple fights like how you make me feel oh the fact that you talk to them you're cheating like it's like almost feels like we're doing far too much for like week one yeah you know what I mean like I'm just like you guys should be all still mixing and matching everybody shouldn't be like locked down with their couple till the end starting week one that's it's just it's weird so we have the fan vote that's happening. So we had this recoupling, right, because of the love letters. How are the, what, what is the fan vote? What are we voting? Favorite couple. And so usually that would mean the bottom

whatever couples would be being sent home. Yeah, or like in the running to being sent home. That's usually how we get like what, the bottom two or three. And then that's when we get the weird ones where it's like, stand behind this person or you have to vote for one girl to stay and one guy to stay. And the guys will vote for the girl and the girls will vote for the guy. So that's the thing that, that's the thing that It will be interesting because I think we all generally agree with what you all are saying. But like it'll be interesting to how the show maneuvers because like you can't, if you go on Love Island, you know, you can't fault these islanders for moving this way. And it's one of those things, and I've said this a bunch of times, is like sometimes you don't even know how you really feel because of the intensity of the environment. I don't know how you felt, Susie, when you were on the Bachelor.

but I remember, and I've said this multiple times, but when I first was on The Bachelorette, I knew I was in to Andy. Like I knew I was like, okay, I'm attracted to her. She's cool. And I also knew I was competitive. And I remember being like, I don't know if I'm, if, if, which is more.

Which is, am I moving because of just like this environment? And then like I want to win or am I moving because like I'm actually into this person. And I honestly remember being like, the only awareness I had is I don't know that I don't know. I don't know if, you know, and how honest can you be? Because of course you want to stay on Love Island. You don't want to go home, you know, that FOMO you feel of knowing that the people you just met and met with and you had these incredible experiences might stay and you have to go home. Like, no one wants to do that. Right.

And then you have these like genuine feelings, but like how real are they, you know? And are you moving because it's the safe decision? It's the right decision. Do you want to admit to yourself that you're only moving because of fans, even though maybe there's a little truth to that? That is kind of interesting, but you will now have the producers be able to, like, potentially send a couple home, which might well then, like, flip, you know, because being in a couple isn't, doesn't necessarily mean you're safe. Right. So that might be the smart move of the producers to send a couple home together to be like, yo, like, you can't maneuver. Like, we'll always be one step ahead of you.

Yeah. I am curious what the next move is because the villa. needs a shakeup. Yeah. And like I don't think it's like just bomb shells is going to do it. Clearly like you're just saying these people are just too locked in. That's why we need Casa Moore. We need literally all of you to be separated and to decide whether or not you actually.

Because I do feel like this is kind of fast for Casa Moore. Right. That's what I was going to ask. But like I do feel like it's just, you guys are acting like you're getting married next week. And it's like you guys should be here exploring. And like I just. It also just doesn't even feel like even in. challenges when they kiss someone else

like it doesn't really feel like anyone cares. It just, you know, it's just none of that drama really feels like it's there. And I am curious, like what producers are.

Yeah. How are they taking this? Yeah. What's going on in that board room where you all are trying to figure out the next move? Yes. Love,

I feel like, I think this is what this whole letter thing and like voting on your favorite couple is. I wonder it seems it would be smart to eliminate a couple. I could see sincere. and Melanie being the least liked couple.

And I think that would... They're so important to this show this season. They're so important. You can't send them home. But I think they could be the... I think they could end up... In the bottom. And even Seoul and Caleb, is that a name? Yeah, Soul and Caleb, I could see them, like,

getting a higher ranking. And imagine the way that the villa will react to that. Like, wait, Melanie and Sincere are the last favorite couple. And then they get in their head. What's America's Seek? that I'm not seeing. And I feel like that happens every season.

Didn't it happen last year with Huda where she was like... America's trying to tell me something. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of people are fucking with Melanie. I think Melanie has a ton of fans. And I think she'll be safe if the other islanders can vote. But she could be in the bottom.

I think it would be fascinating if Melanie and Sincere were voted the favorite couple. Oh. Imagine what that would like sincere who clearly cares about what people think, period. Even the islanders. I imagine now... Because I just think that, like, the only thing that sincere seems to be responding to Melanie is the fact that she won't let him go. And I think there's something, you know, like when you, someone is this, someone who fights for you is attractive. It's like it makes you kind of feel desire.

Like maybe I should like, but like when he's with soul, he seems just like happier. He seems more like, you know, he seems like. Better natural connection. Like there's a connection or in a way that he's, Even like, I've never had this before. This is really fun and great. But like I don't think sincere and Melanie are a good match. Honey, they fucking week one, they were referred to as a toxic couple.

Yeah. But if you have America telling Melanie that and sincere that you're the favorite couple, I mean, Melanie is going to get even more locked in. Sincere is going to have to continue to fight with those feelings of pleasing everyone, including America, or doing what. ultimately whatever I want to do, which might give me some short-term frustrations from people, but ultimately I got to move how I want to move.

And I think that will just make great TV. But I don't see how that would really piss off any of the other islanders. I don't know. I don't think it would piss off the other islanders. I think it would cause just overall more drama. It would piss off the other islanders because I don't think sincere and Melanie are here to last. And I think they will, you know,

they are both big personalities. And I think they both require a lot of conversations from their peers. And I think that will frustrate the household. Do you guys think Zach and Kada are a fan favorite couple? Or do you think people are so annoyed at Zach for flip-flopping? Yeah, how do we feel? I think people want, I think Kada's fan favorite. And I think they want a like a bombshell that is going to break Zach in half.

And I mean, the fact that this man, and I know he was joking, but like the second that they had sex and he was like, So if like a bombshell comes in, like, we can explore. Obviously, I know he was joking. Too soon. But, yeah. Too soon. I'm tired of him. But I am too.

I am too. And it just even like when they were sitting on the couch and she was like, don't you just love kissing me or do you love? She like asked him that question. He's like, yeah. Yeah. Like he seems like he's already starting to check out a little bit. I hate that. Hate.

So. And it came on pretty quick after they got together and had a little something. They just got laid. He just got laid. He had some sex. And joking or not, the first thing he brought up was what clearly is at least a mild concern that he can't really explore anymore. And like...

Without looking like a dick. Yep. Yeah. And he's more focused on that than being like, that was, I really feel more connected to you. That was some amazing facts. Yeah. What are all the million things he could have focused on rather than being like, man, so I guess I'm kind of stuck or like this is...

And then saying we're not closed off still. I'm like, dang, like, y'all fully went to the hideaway, had sex, and you're not closed off. Even this the way that he, like, talked about it with the hideaway, where I was like, listen, I know we're all fun. It's exciting. Blah, blah, blah. The girls did it too. But it was just like, he just was like, I'm getting late tonight. And I was like, oh.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, I thought I just wanted something like a little, a little more tactful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I feel like more like. Why is Zach irritating everyone? I don't.

Because it's just like, A, he walked in with this like air of, of, yeah, I'm. Charlie's brother, but I'm going to do things right and da-da-da-da. And then it's just like, okay, you get the like hottest bombshell that's walked in. And then it's like, I don't know if I can commit because like, I want to commit. Actually, you know what, tomorrow I'm going to sit you down and have a conversation about how I don't want to commit anymore. And we're just like, honestly, watching this back and forth, she could do so much better. Sorry. She's so cool. She's so hot. She's confident. Confident. At front. Yeah, communicative. Like, she's kind of the whole package.

What do you guys land on Casey and Anaya? Because it seems like the internet is pretty divided on. I feel conflicted. I do too because I feel like Casey didn't really do anything wrong in the grand scheme of like what this show is about, which is talking to people. Soul had some questions. He sat down and had a conversation. He answered honestly.

But like, again, I also understand watching somebody that you like, talking to somebody that you know that they could have interest in. And like the brain plays terrible tricks in games and you're like, oh, they're flirting. something's happening behind my back. Oh, I'm going to be the next Melanie. Like, I see all of the reasons why she's spiraled. But it's like, this man is trying to tell you that like, you are his number one, that he's, he even told soul that. And she was just like, I won't have a conversation with you. I don't want to talk about it. All the stuff where it's just like, we're doing too much for too soon. But that's not, that's not what I saw, though. What did you see? I think what he said to Anaya early on was like,

it's the thing that, again, a lot of people do, specifically guys, all like, very like West Wilson. We're like, they're very good at making people feel seen. They're very good at like, you know, saying the right thing that makes that person go, wow, like, that was really meaningful. And those words matter. And when you say those words, they allow someone that you're pursuing to, like, put their guard down. When you're like, this person really gets me. Wow, I've never had someone talk to me in a way that really makes me feel like that. And Casey presents himself as a very, like, emotionally indefinitely.

intelligent guy who's aware of the weight of his words. And then he is now kind of like that first conversation that an eye in case he had. And she was just asking him like, you know, where do we stand? He gave a very like word solid answer, which was basically once you break it down being like, well, if someone pursues me and I pursue them and if we have a connection, then I'm going to do that. But like no one's here yet. So like you have nothing to worry about. Which basically like if, And he says it in a way where he's trying to reassure her. But when you actually listen to the words, it's him saying, well, if someone, if I like someone better, I'm going to explore that. And when if you're anaya, it's very confusing to have someone talk to you in a way that sounds like reassurance.

But when you process the words, you're like, should I be reassured? And then when he's talking to Seoul, like he talked to her twice. He pulled her. Why did he have to talk to her a second time? and then when he talked to Anaya after his conversation with Soul, he's not that honest. He is a little bit more like he downplays the conversation. And then he's again, it's a thing. But he also had the opportunity if he wanted to be like, I actually have feelings for you or I would want to move forward with you.

And he said, I'm really content. And it would take a lot for my head to turn from where I'm at right now. So I'm like, if he wanted to be sneaky or if he didn't mean the things that he said to her, then he would have said to Sol, hey, but I still do the same. same shit that's in Sears doing being like, hey, but I still want to like chat with you. Hey, I'm still going to pull you. Hey, I want to kiss you. I want to experience you. Whatever the fuck. Like he's making sure that there is a boundary saying that I'm with my girl and like I did have interest in you. I think you're beautiful. I think, you know, you deserve to be treated so much better than

you are in this house. Like I think he's being supportive of her, but he very much was dedicated to his couple. So I'm like, if he wanted to be sneaky, he had every opportunity multiple times in those conversations to be like, I want to get to know you more and he has not made that that move. I guess I just read it where it's just like I feel like with men you it's like you know when you like someone and he's already kind of starting to do the whole like I'm kind of annoyed. He's giving like annoyed with Anaya. But I think that that's fair. Like I'm sorry. But if I sat here and stayed committed in my couple but like just had a couple conversations that were literally nothing going on and then I want to have a conversation with you about those conversations and you're refusing to talk to me and refute and giving me the cold shoulder where I'd be like is this what I'm signing up for? Like we can't even come. communicate about, and we're on a show. There's only 15 people for me to talk to. You know what I mean? So it's like, of course, at some point in time, he's going to have a conversation with Soul. He's going to have a conversation with one of the other girls. You're not concerned about the other girls that he's sitting

down having one-on-ones with. You're only concerned because he had mentioned being attracted to soul specifically. But all of these people, you see them pulling, Gabe's pulling, Kenzie Fairchild. Like, you know what I mean? And they're not, there's nothing romantic going on. I mean, these are the only people that they have to interact with. So I feel like for her to spiral just because he's having a conversation with another woman, but refusing to have a conversation about that conversation, then I'm like, you're on your own. Like, you're doing this to yourself when he could be reassuring you.

Yeah, I see that. I don't know. I think refusing to have the, I think he made a big mistake by not being completely upfront when he had the second, I think it was a second conversation with her when he was, I think he should have been more transparent. I am very, you know, interested in, or attracted to soul, but I'm not pursuing it or whatever.

I think he could have been more honest. But I also think, yeah, I can't stand when somebody shuts down. And I think it is like very immature. And whether he's going to give reassurance or not, I think when you like put that wall up, you're making it really hard to pursue anything with that person. It's like, okay, well, yeah, you're on your own then. Like that's...

If I have to keep chasing you and you're being like, no, I don't want to talk to you and keep walking away, then I'm like, you don't like me is what I would be getting from that. Is that like, you don't have the respect for me to sit down and have this conversation, but you're going to go talk to everybody else about how upset you are and how you're feeling. So everyone's coming up to me telling me I'm an asshole. And I'm just like, I just wanted to have this conversation from the jump and we would be on the same page. But then she tried to talk to him? And he was kind of laughing and kind of and that's the whole like, I want to have a serious conversation with you. And he is. Yeah. And I'm like, and maybe I am defending him too much. But I'm just kind of like, again, like she repeated something that was said or something. And he laughed at that. And she was like, what part of that is funny? And it's just like, okay, if you want to have a serious conversation, then let's have a serious conversation. But I'm just like, maybe he just wasn't like going into that conversation. He didn't think it was like, oh. Oh, I'm getting the one two smackdown.

I don't know. I just feel like he. And his letter, his letter in the mailbox. He also had another opportunity there. If he didn't want to be with her, he could have put a letter in Seoul's mailbox. He did not. Oh, he was, I mean, I feel like the, to me, the letter, depending on who the couple was like, either meaningful or meaningless. Like, Casey was going to write a Nile letter.

He had no. Come on. Like, that was the only move. But if he didn't want her. That's what I'm saying. That's where I'm like, the whole, like, the whole, like, love. love island aspect of the dating game is just getting lost in the sauce because like that's what these opportunities are for. It's the same thing with the door and the and standing on the red dot or not.

It's like you have the option to switch up and they're giving you out. So if you don't want to be in this couple anymore, you don't have to be. And sometimes, yeah, you might look like the bad guy or whatever, but it's just like I don't think, I think if he was completely uninterested or annoyed with Anaya and how she's acting and all that stuff, he could have been like, okay, like maybe I'll explore elsewhere. I don't think he's uninterested. or I think he's interested. I think he really likes her. I think he has been a little confusing with Anaya

and to the degree of how much he likes her. I think he painted a picture with Anaya early on that he was locked in, that this was like something that like he was very certain about. And she received that and- Three days in. Like if anyone is perceiving anyone is being like super locked in when they haven't had,

had they had any bombshells, maybe Kada was the one bombshell they'd had so far. It's like, I mean, yeah. Yeah, I just, it's not, I get that there, I think Casey could be a little bit more direct in the conversations he's having with Anaya about just the middle ground that he means like, that he wants to explore. And I think he says it in a way that's always like kind of confusing to Anaya, which is like, do you actually want to, do you want to explore or not want to explore? But like, when she's trying to communicate to him, his frustration, he's just focused on making her not mad at him. And I think that's how, I think that makes it very confusing about what his intentions are. And I think he's just trying to get out of trouble with Anaya.

And then it makes her feel crazy because like she just wants like, KC to like, you know, to like take any, a conversation seriously. He's set up a precedent that he's good at communicating and he wants to have these deep conversations. But then when she tries to have them,

he's almost like, whoa. And if I'm Anaya, I would be a little confused if he is, again, maybe it is too early. Maybe they are moving too fast. Then say that to her. And be clear that you actually want to explore. Well, he did say, we have his exact quote. Anaya asked Casey if he's open to exploring soul. He says, soul is pretty.

If it happens, it happens. If it's mutual, then yes. But if we don't have a connection or vibe, there's no reason to end what we have. going on. So what is that? He literally said nothing. It's like, that's what I'm saying. It's like, you're my first.

But I'm like, that's what I'm saying. But if I'm a Naya, I'm so confused by that answer. Yeah, but this cast, that's what I'm saying. I feel like I'm not. Yeah, like I'm like, everyone is so like acting like they're getting married next week. And I'm just like this, we have so many weeks of this program to get through. And it's just like the fact that we're sitting here talking about before we've even hit week two that we're sitting here talking about like, oh, is he allowed to explore

somebody or is he leading her on? And it's like, imagine if this were the real world. Like, it's like, if I've been dating somebody for a week and I'm like, oh, my God, but he might be interested in someone else. Yeah, he probably should because he met you last week. You know what I mean? Like, it's where I'm saying we're like, the actual time capsule of like what's going on in this show and the reality. And then it's like, yes, I understand it's a split reality. A day there is a week.

A week there is a year. But I'm like, but at the same time, I'm just kind of like, we've had two, four maybe bombshells come in. Like there's so many more to come, you guys. So I'm just kind of like it gets a little. I feel bad for those bombshells. I think it's irritating. It's hard work. You're all closed off.

You all are talking about this as if you guys have known each other dated for months, years on end, and it's been a week. Like, you guys should still be open to exploring. Nobody should be the bad guy because they came on a show that's dating to end up with somebody after this in the real world and be like, oh, well, I met him day one and we've been locked in ever since. If that's everyone's story this season, what is the point of Love Island? That statement to me is not confusing, but I would perceive that. maybe this is toxic of me.

I'm like, great. So I'm playing the same game as you. Like that to me, I'm like, okay, if somebody tells me that it's not confusing, it's like, wait, so he likes me, but then he's open or whatever. I'm like, cool, cool, I'm keeping my eyes open for the next mom show to come in because I too will pursue if there's a vibe. I know. That's what I would feel. Was it Corbyn, Melanie bullshit?

Where it was just kind of like, oh, can I ask permission to like talk to him? Like, I won't even sleep. I won't even. And it's like, because you're my best friend. Girl, you guys don't know each other. Like it's just weird how it's like all of a sudden It's like these are all my best friends This is my boyfriend

No he's not I think they're playing by rules that I just I don't know It's you're supposed to be exploring That is the entire point I don't think it's about exploring I think it's about communication And again it's not like I'm just one person

When I was on Paradise right Like early on They asked me to go on a date with a girl named Leah And then they asked me to go on a date with Amanda And like you know And so I went on two dates on the same day and right away

it was this more like I knew who I didn't want to pursue a relationship with and I was just like I just said it I just told her and I was really direct with it you know I think Casey knows

if he deep down is curious about really getting an old soul better you know what I'm saying I think he knows that answer I think he knows if if like a different bombshell if he's just like honestly

I don't know she seems cool she's pretty but like not my vibe I just don't think there's a there there Maybe I could be surprised if I get, you know, told to have a chat with her. But like, I think you mostly just know. And what I'm saying is I don't think Casey is saying that to Anaya. I don't think he's saying a more direct version, which is like, listen, like, she's obviously

attractive. I am curious about getting to know her. I want to like see if there's a there there because like this is about exploring and you are my top connection. But like, I would be lying if I said I am not curious about seeing if there's something there. And I think that's a lot more direct than saying, well, if there is a connection, there's not a connection, we'll see, it's out of my hands.

I don't know, but like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because he sells it in a way that is reassuring to her, but trying to get himself an opening to have the permission to talk to Saul. And I just think it's like there's a, yeah, is it a difference? But like, it's about the communication, the directness that like just tell her the thing that so she can deal with it. And so he's just a weaner. Like that's what I'm thinking because I'm like, he basically said with that quote that you just read, if she's, if it's mutual, then sure. Basically what he's saying is like, I'm not willing to risk this relationship to pursue that. But if she comes on to me, I'm going to go for it. I feel like it was like if you're weird. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's how I see it. It was like, I'm going to go have a conversation with soul. And like get to know her. If she's also into. me and it's mutual, then we're going to explore.

Okay. If it's not, if she's like, sorry, like, you're not my type. I'm, like, really feeling sincere. You're just like, I just like, don't want to step on an eye's toes. Whatever it is, her reasoning is, then, like, he's not going to continue to pursue her when he has an eye. Before he had the conversations with her. Or was that said after.

Okay. I guess before. And then sincere told her that case, he was like, yeah, she looks like his ex. And honestly, hot take, but it's like, I feel like Kenzie and Corbyn are playing the game correct where it's like, hi, make out, have a couple, still have your conversations on the side. And if we have more chemistry, if we find that like us being pulled apart brings us closer together, then like we're going to couple up. But I'm like, and I want to take back even what I said about sincere having to choose something because I'm like at the end of the day, like sincere is just

more annoying because he's using his words and like emotional manipulation to victimize himself almost as if he's like put in this situation like, oh my God, Sophie's choice, whatever shall I do. But it's just like at the end of the day, the entire game is about having options and ending up with the right person, not the person that you think America's going to like you with, not the person that's not stepping on anybody else's toes. Exactly. And that's what I'm like, you explore it. It's like you didn't marry the first person you dated. Most people did not. And thank God for that. So it's just. And they also got coupled up because they stood behind a like sex position door so many times. Like that's majority of them are still coupled up. I'm I... When I found you behind the doggy style door, I was like, oh, you could have left that out. So what I'm saying about, like,

I'm not making sense about Casey. He could have been just more direct than he's choosing not to be? No, it's not that you're not making sense. I'm just saying that I'm like, I just personally don't think that it's the worst thing that's being done on the show, let alone do I think...

I'm the worst thing. I'm just... I am just saying the way he is communicating to her, if I am Anaya, I could see why. If for someone who I'm excited about, really into. He has played a role in how she feels about him. He has said things that made her feel safe and vulnerable in a manufactured environment. And he is pretending like he doesn't know why she's

acting this way and why she's getting so upset because like he's just trying to explore. And this is why I'm praying to the Love Island gods for a person for Anaya in Casa Amor, because that's what I'm saying is like right now she doesn't have any other options. And right now his only possible kind of other connection was soul, which he didn't pursue. So I'm just like at the end of the day, like, these are who you guys have. So I'm like, I would love for her to be tested because I'm just like she doesn't have any other options. So of course you want all of your eggs in that basket and you want him to be receiving all

of those eggs and putting all of his in it. But I'm like, that's just not the name of the game. So I'm like, I hope that there is somebody that makes Anaya's head turn a little bit and be like, oh, am I going to move the exact same way that Casey was moving? But like now it's okay because I'm the one that's in that position. Because I'm like, if you had another option or if you were interested in someone else, then you would be talking to other people. But she doesn't have anybody else she's interested in it.

Well, to me, it's all about how Anaya will communicate that with Casey if she does have that option. She's not going to be coming home with him. Sure. But eventually she'll have to like explain it. I don't know. And maybe it won't be Casa more. Maybe it will be before Casa More.

I mean, I bet we're going to get some bomb. I do wonder, like... Winner, it wins Casa. 20 second. It's playing in theaters, by the way, and I'm strongly considering it. Oh, so we're going to get some bombshells before, no? I don't know. I feel like they're slow rolling them in, but I would love that.

I would love that. I mean, if, listen, soul is available now. She's with Caleb. Well, we'll see how long that goes. I don't think Caleb knows what to do there. So we'll see. Maybe. They'll send in a bombshell for Anaya and Casey can go explore soul and we'll have a whole separation and new connection.

I want two male bombshells, A, to make the men quake in their standing. But I also want them to be Melanie and Anaya's type. That's what I want. I want like two would tea and that these guys come in B-lining for the two of them. And then I want to see how sincere handles everything. And I want to see how Casey handles things. Yeah. Well, Katie's just going to get.

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Nothing burger. I hope you're hungry. Amanda are still dying. Yeah, it definitely would have landed better if we'd known that they didn't go to Italy together. Yeah, the Amanda and Amanda. and Lindsay conversation would have been more like, oh, we're getting more from Amanda. I feel like I'm getting more honesty.

Maybe a little bit more Lipeb has come out, like went on with Lindsay kind of pointing out some of Wes's fuck boys' ways. But like, to your both's point, we know how the movie ends and ends with them spitting each other's mouths. In Italy. In Italy.

Uperal script. And because, yeah, like Lindsay was making so much sense being like, yo, and, you know, hearing Amanda, you know, in a way, it almost, and I'm not one of those people who wants to pile on Amanda and, you know, calling her a narcissist or whatever

the fuck, but it does, knowing that she went to Italy, it almost makes it feel like she maybe, you know, listen to us or listen to the internet and gave her the playboy explanation of like her vulnerability

and how she hasn't feeling, been seen or loved in a way where it's just like, you can't. Maybe she didn't have to listen to anyone. That's just genuinely how she felt. Maybe so, but she said it, I guess what I'm trying to say is she said it in a way where like a light bulb was going on.

And if you're going to say out loud, I made this bad decision because of X, Y, R Z, then, you know, isn't that part of the like, well, maybe I shouldn't keep making this decision because I'm acknowledging that it's bad and I have an explanation as to like, you know, why we make bad decisions. But once you have the realization that it's, A,

a bad decision and B, while you made that bad decision, a lot of people are like, I'm going to, I'm trying to stop doing that. You know what I'm saying? So I guess what I'm saying is it makes it sound now that we know how the story ends, disingenuous. Yeah. The contradictions left and right coming out of her mouth was just like insane to watch. And it was like Lindsay using, I don't know, sixth grade level manipulation with like, well,

do you know what West said about you? I know. And she was like, he said that. It's fucking bullshit. And it's just like, but yet again, you had so much time knowing that you're having this conversation, knowing that you wanted to have this conversation to get your ducks in a row and to make points. And yet again, all she did really was lie and then make it about Kyle.

And it's just like, I don't understand why people don't care about how Kyle treated me. This is why I did this because, and Lindsay's cutting her dead in her tracks being like, but that doesn't excuse what you did to your friend. Like two things can be true at the same time. sorry that you went through such a terrible relationship. And when Lindsay ate her up with, isn't it sad that like with everything that you've done, that we've all forgotten that Kyle was a terrible husband to you?

And it's like you were winning. She was like, that should make you angry. It should. And I was like, I really appreciated Lindsay being the one to have that conversation with her. But it was like even when she was talking about the timeline and being like, January 17th,

the first time I was at Westhouse. And it's like, girl, there's still TikToks up of you at his house in your PJs in December. So I'm like, And in intimate settings. So I'm just kind of like you've been lying. And the whole thing is like you still don't understand why people don't feel sympathy for you. Also when she said that she hadn't watched the show because she can pinpoint where people are going to read into things.

If there's nothing to read into and you did nothing wrong, how would you know that? Like how could you be like, oh, if I watched this episode, it's going to be really triggering for me because I can see where people are going to pick things out that if nothing happened. Do you see what I'm saying? How would you know that? Yeah. Yeah. How would you know what moments would look weird if nothing was going on? Yeah, I guess what you're saying is.

There's an implication that there was something going on with these two. And whether she can remember the specific moment, she knows that like now that they, everyone knows about them, that they were probably, it does suggest that maybe she knows that they were a little too. Yeah, when Lindsay's asking her about like the future,

what their plans are. And she's like, she starts off with, uh, I've talked to West about wanting to have kids, but then she goes, I've never had that conversation with him. So it's just like,

so then what, so you have the, conversation about someday in the future that you both would like kids but not with each other. Right. But you're having this conversation with Lindsay as if it's like, don't worry, girl, I've got this figured out. We've already had this conversation. But you still admit the truth embedded in like your fantasy of what actually happened

versus the reality. And then also with like the West and Kyle, first of all, that dog could not have been more distracting. It's like some PA needs to take this dog on walk. So cute though. Like they're trying to have a serious conversation. He's like lipping west in the mouth. I'm like someone's got it was dog out.

Yeah. Oh, also wasn't Kyle like, oh, and you like know this dog, which is weird in itself. Like that's insinuating. He spent time with the dog. But even like the, when he asked him about being in love with Amanda and he's like, I mean, I said like I love you when I left the room that night. Right. And then he's like, but in February is when like we first. But it's like you guys have got, you just have got to stop lying.

You know. And it's like it's just. And if you're going to do it. then be consistent with it. But it's just weird how badly you want us to believe that everything started in February. And like what you're saying to us is that within two weeks you guys fell madly in love with each other enough to make a statement but not enough to sleep with each other. Yeah, that was really confusing when Amanda was talking about Lindsay because she referenced, forgot what it was, but she referenced the statement. Uh-huh.

And she said it in a way as if they weren't even like. Hanging out or anything. Barely even together. She was like I was telling him no. They're posting all the screenshots of their text where he's like, come hang out. And she's like, sorry, no, I'm not coming. And then we released the statement.

And then the way she said it, she implied as if Wes's question of like, hey, is this a thing? And she is like a light ball point out. That is hard to believe. That's what I said. Like even if it's a crush, whatever it is, it's like, you know, even if you're fighting it. when you start developing feelings for someone.

And it's not someone's question. And even the like, I love you question at the reunion where it was like, oh, we don't say that yet. But yeah, you guys started saying it to each other last summer. So like, why is this any different? Like, if anything, the way that you guys are validating your relationship is that there was a friendship there first. And now you guys have fallen in love. But yet you can say, I love you as a friend. But we can't say I love you as this thing that we don't know how to define it because we're still trying to figure out how we feel about each other.

But I'm in love with you. And that wasn't the first time that he said I love. you over the summer we got like several moments of them or that wasn't the only time that she said i love you holding his hand after the pulling the chair and so it's like why was that the moment that you thought to call back to when you're talking to kyle you see what i mean like why that moment that's what i'm saying i'm like just like the constant lies and then it's like okay miha's still in the picture no literally still calling each other six hour phone call when she said he calls now because, you know, her.

Her. And this is the man that we're going to give up our entire career for. I didn't quite get that. What does she mean? Because Amanda looking at the phone or whatever, like if he's, there's no text, there's no evidence. So it's just him giving a call. You can delete a phone call. He goes off of your call, I guess, around New York and calls Mija.

But why is Mija still bothering talking to him? Well, I think that's more of just like a, she kind of said. was a normal girl who was in this she thought she was in this relationship. I mean I get that but like we're still talking? Well no because remember he said he texted her you won after the reunion

and then they didn't speak for a minute and then he called or wanting to apologize or wanted so he's the one that sparked it back up of course and of course you're going to take the phone call because to her point she was like I thought I was in on the joke I thought that like I was the secret that was so much fun because it was his career

he's doing his thing but he loves me and then come to find out you're one of many You're at least you're at the main girl What do you what do you guys make of West and Bravo Like planting in West acknowledging that his he's done with TV when he was like my TV career is done which that wasn't an accident of them Yeah A of him saying that and B of them including that Why do you think they did that as opposed to like you know everything else was

West is getting fired or they didn't renew his contract and a lot of speculation around what is interesting because that it just came out at TMZ reported right like the day of the day of or the day before that he was done with summer house so it's like I wonder if that was always left in or if after the news broke they're like whatever we can keep it in he did say that he was like I just feel like when you do a bad job at the reunion and it's kind of the things that come to follow so I'm like I also wonder if he didn't know when they filmed this but he's assuming because I'm sure that there's conversations that were happening about their behavior. That statement was not him assuming or getting ahead of it.

No, I'm saying like there's definitely conversations that had to have happened about their, the way they showed up at the reunion. There's absolutely no way, especially if Andy's asking on camera if you guys were taking beta blockers, there was a conversation that happened after the fact that was like, this is unacceptable. So I'm like, I'm sure that he, if he didn't know for a fact that he was not coming back at that point, he was assuming. I know, I've seen a lot of that speculation online and maybe there's some truth.

No doubt that Bravo is pissed that they didn't show up to the reunion and he's on his podcast. Yeah, of course. Giving tea. That's frustrating. But I don't think that's why someone like him or why Bravo doesn't bring them back. And I don't even think it's for morality reasons. You know, there's a lot of bad people on reality TV. They keep renewing their contract.

I think just like objectively, it was basically like a poison pill decision that they made where they completely disrupted. Just like there's there's drama and friend groups. then there's basically doing something that makes it just untenable to take nap. You know, these shows are about these relationships and the push and pull and the fighting and the making up and like just the dance. There's no dance anymore with like West and especially the like the Summerhouse group. Yeah. We, I think the executive producer of Summerhouse did an interview with Variety recently.

Flat out said that Sierra is the future of Summerhouse. Well, if Sierra is the future of Summerhouse, well, West is not going to be on the TV show. And I just wonder if maybe, I suspect they're going to be putting him on pause. And then if he wants to come back, depending how things play out with Amanda and West. Because if Amanda and West don't last, like we suspect they won't. There's no room for West on either of these shows. I think when you look at Bravo history, it's like people can show up at men, specifically and women can show up and be absolutely rotten on camera and still have jobs and do like way worse things in my opinion than what West has done. I think the issue is that he's doing.

doing all his awful things off camera, even the relationship with Meeha, being like, I'm going to have this full on relationship, keep it a secret, and then go project an image of myself on TV that's completely inauthentic. That does not connect with the audience. You just have to show up as you are. And if you're going to be messy, you can be messy. We'll renew you every time, but you've got to do it on camera. Yeah, that is true. It's like you're not even giving us anything. Anything. Like silence. Yeah. At the reunion. Yeah, that's right. I mean, and Kyle, Kyle is a professional. He takes his job seriously, and that allows him to be, make mistakes, be a bad husband,

talked a way he did to Amanda and still have a job because it's, you know. On camera. It's on, well, you know, and again, you could debate, oh, are they rewarding bad behavior? Again, this is a reality TV show where, like, we, whether we judge it or not, like, we want the drama. But Kyle is a professional. He shows up. He's always in lockstep with Bravo and whoever's producing their shows to be like, you know, I'm taking this seriously.

And like, yeah, clearly West, West like did whatever West wanted. West moved to benefit West. And again, like when this, all this news dropped, I don't think anyone was prepared for it. I think it, like, created a lot of headaches for a lot of people at Bravo and a lot of decision makers. And yeah, sure, it's been maybe good for Summer House. You can debate whether it's been good for in the city. but it's caused massive headaches and and and and just issues for people and i you know it can be

short-term beneficial but like that is not how bravo has made this massive universe and all these shows that have been successful and how summer house has gotten 10 seasons by like moving this recklessly and not kind of just like being a professional and i think it has more to do with that than you know, morals or, you know, just like, I think how they showed up at the reunion is one one thing, but I don't think it's just because of the reunion. I think it's just how he has moved throughout where it's just like, we can't work with you.

And then I'm wondering too, where there was the rumors of Summerhouse, the Ozarks. So that's where I was also kind of like, depending upon, I mean, obviously there's rumors that like West has said that his relationship with Bravo is fine. at the same time that could still be something that like they film next summer or whatever

and surprise jump scare once everyone's moved on because like that's the reality of the world that we live in is that he wants another shot and he promises to do work a certain way he you know he'll get another opportunity yeah I'm like the people just get put on pause for a while

but it's just like once another scandal will happen in another TV show and we'll be back to like oh wait compare it to Scamanda you know what I mean. So it's just like it's, it is what it is. You know, I don't know that he has the capability to grow and learn. I don't know that we're going to see anything different from him. A lot of people don't want to. And I also get that to. There's don't want to and where you actually not watch, you know, type of thing. And I think there's a huge difference between the people who like say I'm done

with them and like will literally not watch because of some sort of like stance, which I think is far less rare than being like, I fucking hate that person, but like, what did they say? Yeah. You know, I bet West's podcast are doing pretty well these days. I was going to say, a lot of people said that they wouldn't watch in the city

because of Amanda and West and, hello, it's doing fine. Yeah. It's doing fine. But Lindsay has been taking to X, literally just demolishing, huh? Aren't they the same thing? Or threads.

Sorry, threads. I'm surprised I even called it X, okay? No, honestly. Me too. I was like, what is that? So sorry. Who am I? But, yeah, where it was like just eviscerating this man saying that what he was trying to get the OGs fired, said that he smelt like hot dog water.

She alleged that he's still like sleeping with other girls as well with Amanda. Still being an F boy. And I'm just like, this is just so embarrassing. I assume she's not making this up. Can you imagine like some girl posting a TikTok being like, I've been dating West for the last two months? Did that happen? No, I'm just saying like, can you like, can you like? can, like, I can see it happening.

You know, I... All I know is he giggled and says, I know I probably owe a lot of apologies to a lot of people. And I was like, you're giggling while saying this? Yeah. Okay. Tickles you. Yeah, no dead.

Well, I think that will do it for today's episode. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you to our guest, Beya. It was great to talk with her and certainly excited to see more drama unfold on Love Island. I appreciate you guys all listening. Don't forget to check out my substack. It's titled, Am I the Problem? I think some of you will enjoy it. Check it out.