The Viall Files - E1148 - Love Island's Gabriel, Amanda's A Hoarder? PLUS How Millionaires Raise Their Kids

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Love Island USA's Gabriel joins us to address being labeled "lustful," his relationships with Bea and Jen, and everything going down in Casa Amor. Plus, Million Dollar Nannies creators Andrea and Michelle take us behind the scenes of Ibiza's elite families, outrageous childcare requests, and what's next for The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. We also break down Trinity and Bryce, Kayda and Zach, Sincere and Melanie, Dorit's Father's Day attack on PK, Kyle and Amanda's separation on In the City, and the premiere of Next Gen NYC. You won't want to miss it :) "She did a split in my face!!" Nick is on Substack! Subscribe here: https://nickviall.substack.com/subscribe  HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE? Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content? Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: The RealReal: Get $25 OFF off your first purchase when you go to https://therealreal.com/files  Mack Weldon: Go to https://mackweldon.com and get 20% off your first order of $125 or more, with promo code VIALL. Chewy: right now you can save $20 on your first order and get free shipping by going to https://chewpanions.chewy.com/viallfiles  Ladder App:If you have an iPhone, head to https://ladder.fit/viall and take a quick quiz to find your perfect Ladder plan. Use my link and get a free 7-day trial with NO credit card, and $10 off your first month if you join. Wayfair: Patio season is here and these deals won't last! head to https://wayfair.com/m/outdoor right now to get your outdoor space ready for way less. Merit Beauty: Merit Beauty is offering our listeners their Signature Makeup Bag with your first order at https://meritbeauty.com  Zenni Optical: If your glasses are overdue for a refresh, now is the time. Go to ZENNI dot COM slash PODCAST and use code PODCAST15 for fifteen percent off your first order. To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro / Household Headlines 29:47 - Andrea and Michelle Join 47:44 - Gabriel Joins 01:06:32 - Love Island 01:22:52 - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy    @gvasconcelosv @ametzy @michellepeerali @susiecevans @the_mare_bare @justinkaphillips @baybaeee

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This is my last... I'm telling you right now. This is the last time I'll be here. The eviction notice is coming. I don't the eviction notice. You guys don't see me anymore. Stuff out there. Glowing. I put no makeup on and I only did skin care. I was like, now. My perioral

dermatitis is on it full display. Well, link the products because you're literally glowing. I was going to say, I don't even know it periola, whatever that word was. But you're glowing. It sounds like it might be bad, but I was about to say, I'll take some. Yeah, whatever it is. It's working for you, Mama. And the product that I texted my friend who is a facialist and I was like I need to put something on this. She recommended me two products. I ordered them immediately and one of them pricey. No, one of them smells like asshole.

And unfortunately like it does have to go around my nose. I don't know how I'm supposed to get around this. It's worth it though. It's worth the beauty. Yeah, sometimes the smell of asshole. Like, Beyonce said it best, pretty hurts. Pretty hurts. Yeah. Do you know the smell of asshole? Well, turns out. But, you know,

I feel like everyone. Natalie's kind of the one that Everyone's familiar. I will say it's really hard when you're like dating somebody or getting to know somebody and you're doing your, you're like, okay, now I'm going to do my skincare before bed. Like we're at that point and I'm like, I might smell a little, a little weird. Some of these products aren't like super delectable. Fruity. Yeah.

Yeah. I feel like everyone at Kasa more knows what ass smells. Do you feel like the worse it smells, the better it's supposed to be because it's like the sacrifice of skin care? The worst you look going to bed, the hotter you wake. up looking. That's what they say. Yeah, the uglier you are going to bed, the hotter you are waking up. That's what it is. I'm greased up. The aquifer all over your face. And also, to answer your question, Nick, that a lot of the times the best skincare doesn't have fragrance in it. So, like, if you are smelling like a Victoria's Secret, that might not be the best

product. This is coming from our icon skincare. Thank you. Yeah. Connoisseur over here. Justin recently absolutely demolished me about my skincare routine on Plus. So really? You want to hear about that. said what you put in your body shows on your face. And I said, my body's a temple. My temple, 7-Eleven. My gosh. Tequitos. Yep.

I am a tequito. I love those. They are good. Anyway. We have a jam-packed episode lined up for you today. Gabriel from Love Island joins us to give us his thoughts and his experience on on Love Island. Obviously, he's still watching and he's got some takes about what we're seeing in Casa,

the men, the relationships. We're very excited for you guys to listen to that episode. We also have, I'm very excited about this, the creators of the show Million Dollar Nanny. I watched it the other day, and I was like, as someone who has a pretty good sense of how reality TV shows are made and casted

and produced and things like that, I watched Million Dollar Nanny and the show that's about like these nannies who go to Ibitha. Ibiza. Abiza. Abiza. Abiza. Abiza. Abita. It's good to say.

And then they have families, these rich families with their kids and their kids are doing ITMs and I. How did they, A, come up with this idea. But I'm more curious how they put it all together. Andrea Metz and Michelle Perali are the co-creators of this show. And so we are excited to have them on in a little bit to just learn a little bit about the brainchild of the show.

It's messy. Also, it turns out Leah used to be an assistant of... Zane. Zane? Okay. Yeah. a creator in the entertainment space. So she's familiar. Cardassians' nanny.

Apparently, according to him, he was like, I'm quit. She's quitting. And the next time he saw her was the star of the TV show. She's the one in the center as well, right? She's the one who's like, I have all these contacts. Apparently she was, in fact, you know, as they mentioned in episode one, an assistant, worked for the Kardashians at some point. But she cannot confirm or deny because she did sign an NBA.

Can you say? you signed an NDA if you sign an NDA? You definitely can. You can say, I signed an NDA. Yeah. That's always what you say in it when you're, if you were unemployed for a period of time, when you go into a job interview and they asked about the gap in your resume, you just say, I signed an NDA.

Which I don't know if that were. I don't think an NDA prohibits you from confirming employment. I think it depends on your NDA. I was going to say that would. I don't know. I've never used it. I've just heard that that's something and it feels like it would work. Yeah.

And it feels like. respectable, right? Like, the boss is like, oh, well, you're hired. And it's like, literally, you're living up to your NDA. Okay, great. Yeah. And it's also like, maybe I'm just keeping the NDA of my unemployment in my heart.

You know what I mean? The NDA is a non-disclosure agreement within myself. Yeah. How about that? Did you guys see DeReed's Father's Day post? Yeah. I'm unwell. Not as good as yours, Nick.

Yeah, that's fair. You know what? She's, she's, well, I mean, I, I only got an Instagram story. at least the P.K. P.K. got a feed post. You know, I didn't lose my dad two months ago, so it was a little bit of a tough day for me, so I wasn't in the mood for like

a whole carousel. Fair enough. But Nick did send me flowers. I saw that too. That was very sweet. But Doree could never. Never. He turns out. Derreet took the opportunity on Father's Day to celebrate her

soon-to-be ex-husband in a way that boy George, legendary musician and client of P.K. Responded. And by Celebrate, I mean, she really went through his throat. She reposted? She reposted her story, a video of another mother.

So she didn't just, like, hit that, like, repost, reshare button. It is on... It's a reshare. Like, the story. But if I go to her feed? No, it's on her story. It's not a repost. Oh, she put it in her story. Yes. Oh. But basically, the video

is just pointing out that, like, if you're a husband that's made this mother's life difficult and, like, did all I think we should just read it. What is it? I guess before we read it, I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment of what she posted.

I just think it's wild to post. But, yeah. I mean, it's like we all know where the two of you stand. Yeah. You know? Which is like not on the same page. I go ahead.

Look, I mean, she's speaking her piece, but the video that she reposted, it's a slide of different videos and it says, I don't care who gets offended. I'm going to say it anyway. A man who makes the mother of his child's struggle is a complete failure.

There's nothing respectable about watching the women raising your child, carrying everything alone without real support when she's overwhelmed, stressed, and exhausted. And it keeps going,

but basically it's just like pointing out that if you're a father that's done this to a mother. No lies we're told. A hundred percent. On its face. On its face. Love it.

Yeah. There are a lot of deadbeat dads out there. Exactly. A lot of losers who do not embrace the the the the amazing miracle that is fatherhood and the responsibility that comes with it that being said on father's day forgetting about father's day it's just more like you better that better be like he better be a dead beat he better be a dead beat he better be like no no arguments made

like no one could object his parents have to be like yeah our son's kind of a bad dad right you know like it can't be we're going through the middle of a divorce. He said she said situation. I don't feel like Kyle. I feel like P.K. is now going to release text messages again between him and his child. I'm not, we've never been like PK. Like stands or supporters, but like, but I don't, I, I, I think his friendship with Moe and Kyle has a little bit of like, I, if he was, if he was so bad that it required a post like this on Father's Day,

I don't think they would be friends with them. I agree. That's a good point. Yeah. I also think that Doreet maybe, it's just like if you have the possibility of boy George clapping back at you on behalf of your ex, maybe don't post.

You know what I mean? It's like if the karma chameleon can come back after you. You better not have rumors of you spending $50,000 a month on junk. Yeah, yeah, babes. Well, this video also goes on, it's a very pro-child video because it says your child is quietly absorbing that same pressure every single day. Again, love the post. But like maybe that post is- Here for the post. Adding pressure.

I don't know. Well, so boy George basically like reposted that to his story and captioned it, this post on Father's Day question mark, absolutely disgusting. Again, if it is true, she's valid. Yeah. You know? I just don't know. I just don't know. I don't know. And I don't know the lore as deep as you guys do. I've watched, obviously, I think the last two seasons, but I just think that if you have like a spending allowance in the way that you do, and that doesn't take away from the emotional aspect of being, of needing a true partnership. I, 1,000 percent, I think that Deadbeat dads are, it's terrible. But I'm, but he's, but he wants to be a part of the children's life. That was an issue, right? He was bringing, like, there was like some dispute. He's probably like a C minus dad. He's also gone DUIs and pulled her in.

to like bankruptcy stuff. So like I just think like I get hating the news. That's fair. There's false on both sides and I think she's speaking of truth. I mean I hear you on that. I don't think that's a justification

on Father's Day to make a statement where you're literally just like. Maybe it was supposed to go to close friends and she accidentally clicked the other button. And then you have to own it. You have to own it. You have to happen to me the other day.

I accidentally posted a picture of River's face and I cried about it for 25 minutes. Oh, we did actually catch that, yeah. No one wanted to text me and be like, hey, that photo was a little crooked and it looked like maybe it was by accident. We caught it yesterday because I was like, no, they don't share photos of like reverse face and Zach was like, no, they did.

They just did. And I was like, when did they do that? Yeah, full on accident. I was like, oh my God, it's been up for 27 minutes. And it's like, it's okay. I'm like, no, and now everything we've worked towards is ruined. Honestly, I thought it was a fine moment. It was not a fine moment.

I think it helped us understand why we do what we do. Because, again, part of it is just like, I don't know, should we do this? Should we not do this? Like, we spent the first year of River's life kind of being like, are we found symptoms? I don't know if we're doing this, right? We made a decision to stop posting her. But, you know, after posting it, you know, I was obviously very upset.

And I'm just thinking, first of all, it's not the end of the world. Second of all, like, you know, it is 2026. There's cameras everywhere. Like, our goal isn't to make the world wonder about what River looks like. you know, it makes you realize that, like, we have, like, Natalie and I, we have a relationship with our audience, our audience on the show, the people who listen, the people who watch us on social media. What I think the reason I've, I kind of realized after Natalie accidentally did this is, like,

it's not because we're trying to hide our daughter's face. We are trying to prevent our audience from feeling like they have a relationship with our daughter. Like, I don't want them to, you know, so in Nali is. Or anybody. Yeah. You know, it got weird when like people, and again, lovely people who like, if you're going to share things, people connect with it, right? So like they started, you know, oh, recognizing River and, you know, we don't want, I don't want our audience to have a relationship with our daughter.

And we want to protect her from that relationship. But I think, I feel like it's like you guys are doing a great job because it's like, it's a complicated like relationship to have a social. Like you guys kind of like everyone who's like public has kind of a unspoken or spoken. social contract with their audience of like you know you kind of like it's a mutually beneficial thing of like you are like you do feel this parissocial thing and then it's like in turn it's like you make stuff and like people enjoy it and then you know you get that access but it's like with kids you know they don't have the ability to like consent to that social contract necessarily so I think like accidentally like is whatever you know what I mean it's like you guys are trying so hard it was a

beautiful photo it was like I was like going to obviously like Zoom in and just post her cute little outfit and then I guess just like my hand hit it and whatever and then you can cancel now while it's uploading but you didn't realize I didn't realize it was 27 minutes later yeah I went back on Instagram and post a picture of palm trees and then I was like oh god what is that I mean river is just getting beautiful and we take some pictures and it's just like god I want to share this one yeah but I do think like we'll share the twins up until kind of same like one same time we kind of stop sharing River when they start to actually look like develop their facial features like they're going to look like but we enjoyed so much about sharing the first year of Rivers Life that I think

we'll definitely do that with the Twins too uh I thought Indy City was very uh fascinating this week the episode started and it was like Kyle and Amanda again and it was I was almost kind of like I mean not that like not done with it but it was this more thinking like we it would be one thing it would be interesting to see how their divorce unfolded if we didn't already know about the West and Amanda and that alone. But I got to say, I was kind of locked in because the whole moving out scene, Amanda,

again, we know that she's made lies. So I don't want to like say, like, you know, but I would find fascinating about this dynamic is because you really get to hear how people see themselves in their version of events that they communicate to people. you had Amanda talking to her dad she just moved into her apartment

and first her dad asked about like the separation and he was like I was on the her dad says to Amanda I was on the impression it was mutual first of all we're like who gave you that impression it sounded like Amanda did it at first I feel like Kyle would have loved that conversation but I feel like she very quickly was like no I'm moving out I don't need your approval yeah but then she said to her dad

after you questioned her he was like well I I I spearheaded it. But it is mutual. But it is mutual. I'm like, nothing about that was mutual. To your point, she was like,

no. Kyle was literally just trying to process it at the bar and she wouldn't even want him to, you don't even get to say. Nope, you don't get to say. I'm doing this anyways. That is not the definition of mutual. Right.

Yeah. That was eye opening for me. I think it would be, it's just, it would be one thing of like, if Amanda genuinely, didn't it's like you watch

Sierra through the season of Summerhouse like get Amanda to finally like separate from Kyle and you know be independent and she you're watching her swing in this direction and it's just like I mean it's the same thing I was kind of it's Amanda's interesting because she's also

just like performing she's performing like the single woman right instead of like you know come back because whoever your fit reality TV star is just know that like is if you if you know, it's so subtle. You know what I'm saying?

They could easily not show this stuff. And there's probably a lot of things they haven't shown about Amanda that they're willing to show now. And we don't really know who these people are because they do get to pick and choose. I feel like I learned a lot

about who Amanda is after seeing the amount of shit that she is hoarding. I think she's, is it what's, are we, is that hoarder status? Or like, this is a New York apartment by the way. Well, I will say, as well, to that point, New York apartments are pretty small.

And it was giving hoarding. I will say it's giving hoarding. But I'm also like, I've got a lot of shit, but I live in L.A. And you can get more bang for your buck out here as far as how much space you have. We are not the tidesest of people. Every once in a while,

we have a mess and we got a full closet and blah, blah, blah. This was, you couldn't see furniture. He said two years ago, she said, I'm going to lay some things on this guest bed. And now it looks like this. A mountain. Those organizer girls who I'm sure have seen some crazy places were stunned. Send me in there.

Marie condo. Marie condo would. Does it bring you joy? No. Yeah, they can get rid of everything in that room. I feel like you don't, you lose, there's no way that she knows anything that's in there. She has not, no, when they say have you worn this in the last year, if you haven't thrown it out. Right.

She has not touched, she has not opened that bedroom door. Now I know why Kyle never came home at night. He had nowhere to sleep. Literally, he was curled up in the corner because she's got all of her laundry there. And I've done that. Listen, as a clutter, as a clutter girl, I always got a clothes pile in my room.

There's clutter. That wasn't clutter. But there's a difference. Yeah, there's a difference between like, I have a cycle. I'll let things get messy. And then I'm like, Ari, I need to clear my brain. And it's almost like a way to just like cleanse myself and reset.

No, a dining room table by your front door that has like the purses, the packages, the boxes, the like, whatever. That's cluttered. But like we've made so much about Kyle's behavior, the DJing, the emotional reactions to the way he spoke to Amanda. Obviously, as we've said, over and over and over, not okay. But like, I don't. It paints color to the image. Well, I'm just saying, like, if you're in a relationship with someone who has that seriousness of a, like, a lifestyle of how they live or is this like that unwilling to make adjustments, that is just as damage.

to a relationship as is what Kyle's doing. I mean, what's clear watching this is they've both done their part. I feel like the, maybe fair thing to say is that it's not good.

Both of them are not showing up well or healthy to the relationship. I can empathize with her a little bit, though, in the sense of, like, hoarding, isn't hoarding also commonly a sign of, like, mental struggle? And, like, that could be her coping mechanism of what she's endured. And I'm not excusing

anything, but I'm like, when I see people that are, like, hoarding, I feel like there's always, like, I'm sure there's a reason why she does it. I'm just simply saying in a relationship, that is incredibly difficult if you're not someone who also subscribes to that type of lifestyle, to be in a relationship with that person who can't, like that is not a habitable, like. And they had the conversation.

She had the conversation with her dad of like, and he won't stop like telling me to come get more stuff. Yeah. Like he just keeps saying like, I got to get more. And then it shows his house. It's like, well, yeah, duh. I mean, he's got no. where to put any of his shit. I mean, you can have empathy for Amanda and still suggest that maybe she's not a good partner

because of this thing that she does. Are they just not compatible? Yeah. I mean, yeah, you'd have to find another hoarder. Or like two people who scream at each other when they're angry. So it's like a tit for tat. But you also might have not. Relationships about compromise though.

So it's like if she has, if she, if she, if this is the way she lives and Kyle is not that guy, like to have a good relationship, you're going to compromise and try to be cleaner. It's like being a good. That's not even relationship. That's just being a good roommate. It's like, yeah. I mean, if I were single, I'd stay up to three in the morning,

but like I'm married, so I'm going to comb him at 11.30. Yeah. And it's like I, like I just said, kind of messy. My room, a little bit messy all the time. Common area of my house with my roommates, I try to keep clean. Right. Roommates is all about the common area. Yeah. And so it's like, Amanda, you live with this man.

That's your house. Like, keep it. You know what I mean? It's just like, be, like, show up for the other person. They just haven't shown up for each other. forever. I felt the empathy and was willing to, not, I don't want to say excuse, but I was willing to be like, okay, you know, this, like Justin pointed out, maybe there's something deeper to it. But then when she was giving pushback on him wanting more stuff out, that's when I like,

kind of, not lost my empathy, but I was like, okay, but you have to be able to recognize that's, that is really hard for someone to live in. And like, you're moving out into a brand new squeaky clean place and you're not willing to take your shit with you, then you're off, you, it's so obvious. It's like, okay, obviously there's an issue and you're leaving behind this like literal pile of shit for somebody else to deal with. Like, that sucks. You got a new apartment and then made your ex-boyfriend's apartment your storage. Right. And it made him hire or not hire some organizers to come over and help him organize your stuff. Where have they been for the past seven years though? Because they have the finance, she has the financial means I would think to be able to hire somebody.

It doesn't seem like this has been something that she's been wanting to do. I know, but I'm like, I just don't know why they didn't address that. Because I think the organizers are all about throwing stuff out. Okay. Getting rid stuff, taking it to goodwill. Downsizing. Downsizing. Here's my question.

Maybe this is an unfair question. But Amanda's not going out. She's staying home all the time. She's hanging out and like that hoarders. You know what I mean? Well, the living room. The living room was fine. The living room was like fine.

It was that guest bedroom And like their closet There was the bathroom The bathtub was like full of boxes Like I guess that could be moving No that was it was like boxes of shoes That she just like hadn't opened yet

Or like they might have cleaned out She needs to stop accepting PR Is what I need to tell you. Amanda you need to tell your team To stop allowing PR boxes to be sent to your home I look you love when I move And then people lose my address I'm like I can't take any more

Like you really do get sent a lot of stuff That's why a part of me is like there is like a lot that you receive. But also since they started filming, I wonder if they moved all of the stuff that was like around their house because the way Kyle spoke about it, it was as if it was in the whole house.

I wonder if they put it in that room because it was spread out everywhere. You know? Because if it was just contained to the room, okay, that's Amanda's room. But it sounds like they were living in it for a while. Yeah. I did think Kenny's conversation with his dad on the phone

was like one of the most beautiful conversations I've seen in a while. It was very sweet. I didn't, I made. Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but like, what's the backstory and why they lost contact? I actually don't remember either. I just know that he's been searching for his dad for a while. And then what we discovered last episode was that, like, his father was also searching for him.

Oh, wow. But Kenny hired a PI to, like, basically track him down. And they found, like, a relative and then a Facebook photo or something. But, no, just everything that the dad said on the phone of, like, I hate the thought of you thinking this way. And, like, I think this is just God bringing you back. Yeah, it was definitely a redact. deeming episode for Kenny. Also, who's his friend, the bar owner? Oh, Gavin? Yeah, he seems like kind of a jerk. I agree. Yeah, I mean, I think Kenny... I couldn't tell if it was him like,

either he's a jerk or he was performing for reality TV, but he was oddly confrontational. He's constantly like that, I feel like. I feel like he's just... Well, it's specifically regarding relationships, and that's why Kenny pointed out, like, you're toxic and you're trying to find this in other people's relationships. Or like, you like this and you're like finding it people's relationships. I mean, that's good for a reality TV star. Yeah, I think he's being a good reality TV star. Maybe less for a friend. Yeah, I was going to say, do you feel like he's that friend that just wants everyone to remain single forever and like, yeah, that's what it's giving. Misery loves company where you're like, no, dude, you're not happy, you're not this. It's hard to tell because you only see him doing it

to Kenny. You know what I mean? Well, if Kennedy is like his best friend, he's also like a, a bar owner. And bar owners love like they, historically. Usually, the bar owners like to hang out at their bar and they want their friends to hang out their bar with them and like drink a beer and have long talks and when your boy gets a girlfriend like they become far less available. Right. Messing up the vibes. So it's, but like how old is Gavin?

Like it's kind of it's kind of okay when you're in your 20s. 30s, you know, if everyone's single around you. Forties, it's like you might need to look in the mirror. Yeah. Yeah. And make some like different choices. Well, the bar thing to your 40s, cheers, entire sitcom, entire

community based off of bar owner. So maybe... They were single, probably. Not all of them. No. No, Sam and Diane had that thing. And then you had Rea Pearlman who had that husband. He didn't... I don't know if Norm had a happy marriage, I'm just saying.

Or if he even was in one. I mean, Norm was always at the bar. My favorite thing about the Cheers show is when you think about... Do you ever see how old they were? Yeah. When they were, like, filming... And they're like in the city age. Like Norm was like a 33-year-old.

man and it looks like 75. Golden girls are housewives age. Like golden girls. That blows my mind. And I'm like is that on beauty standards? Is that on like more awareness of like how to stay young forever? Or is that just like... I think a little bit of both. I think it was just a harder life back then.

I think people were drinking and smoking a lot more regularly without thinking about that impact. Worst moisturizer. You know, there's only Pons Cold cream. Right. Yeah. I will say the New York shows are popping off because next gen, the premiere. We're back.

This shows good. We're back. This is a show about hustlers in New York City. And guys, the tech may have changed, but the streets have not. I love this show. Gia's mad at Ava. Gia's mad at Ava because Ava was rude to Gia and Ariana because Ava thinks she's, Ava's like a nepo baby, nepo baby, and they're Bravo Nepo Babies.

So they think that Ava thinks she's better than them, which she does. And Ava is mad that Gia called her a liar on this podcast. because her dad, Damon Dash, has all of his legal troubles, which means she doesn't have as much money as she used to, which means she's getting evicted from her 10K apartment because her dad can't pay his half of the rent. And so she's struggling. And when in her brain, Gia calls her a liar on vial files,

that affects her brand deals. So she's not about her brand deals. She technically also didn't call her a liar, right? No, she said she's a liar. Or she lied. She lied. That affects her brand. What did she say about her?

She just said she was lying about Teresa Unfold. her on Instagram. And how does that affect her brand deals? That's the question. She said being labeled a liar at this state of her career is affecting her brand deals because brands won't want to hire a liar.

Every reality TV star on Bravo has been accused of being a liar. They've also been proven to be liars by the infinite amount of flashbacks they show on that. Craig Conover, although is famously a lawyer and a storyteller.

So there is a way to frame it. I understand her sentiment though where she's like, huh? I just think NextGen is so good because they're all just like... I also think the Charlie and Connor, that's his name right? Connor. Hudson.

Charlie and Hudson, their whole thing of like, it's about to be Summerhouse up in this B. Hudson being like, with his boyfriend's being like just checking like that's at the rule like nobody's going after Ariana, right? Yes. If you guys aren't aware, Hudson and Ariana did break up. Yeah. And Ariana did sponsor her move out of their apartment through roadway.

And she's kind of trying to Ariana Maddox herself. It's awesome. Anyways, the whole point of it is Charlie basically goes, yeah, no, I'm not. Like, I'm not going to go after Ariana. Like, that's your ex. And then in the, like, trailer, he's literally going after Ariana. What's a great show? You guys got to lock in.

Got to lock in. Georgia's also eating. Georgia's eating. Amira, all of them on us. Do you feel represented by the Gen Z community? I mean, I do, honestly, because you're watching the show and the way they, it's less about, like, I don't necessarily relate to the things they're doing because I've never, you know, been in a crypto torture house before.

But the way they interact with the camera and like the awareness of being filmed feels very true to this generation of like they're not really worried about their actual relationships with each other. They know they're on TV for their job and they're trying to like make money. It's that part. It's because you have the nepo babies that came from money and no longer have money, the nepo babies that still have money, then you have the normal people that are trying to like get money by being around the nepo babies.

So they're not even pretending that. it's not a TV show? No. Like, they're like, this is part of their jobs, like, alongside that's what's really interesting about it. Yeah. Like, they're breaking the fourth. Hudson literally was like, am I, he went, he said to Ariana, he's like, you're still my woman. And then they cut to him later in his apartment alone. And he goes, am I interesting to film alone? Yeah. It's like, it's such a good show. And then them about shy being like, yeah, Shai was friends with Dylan from last season. Dylan's not here. So now he's just the puppy dog that we kept on the cast. Yeah. Well, up next, we have Andrea Madden.

and Michelle Pirelli, the co-creators of Million Dollar Nanny. Andrea, I'm not sure if Michelle is, but I know Andrea is the showrunner for Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, at least the Utah ladies. Maybe we'll might get some tea as well. Either way, I'm fascinated to find out how the show got created. Then following Andrea and Michelle, we have Gabe from Love Island,

and obviously we'll get into our commentary, but all things that happened in Kasa last night, do we think the Kossilades are so much better than the Villa ladies as Corbyn's? It's going to be no for me. I don't believe in pitting women against each other. Well, lots to discuss. But up next, Andrea and Michelle.

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Before we get to Andrea and Michelle, just want to remind you that VAL Files Plus is available ad-free and ready for you to be enjoyed if you're not getting enough of the VAL Files or reality TV content. We dive deep on all your favorite shows, including in the city, Summer House, Love Island. Obviously, there's so many nooks and crannies and granular conversations that we can always get into on reality recap, but we certainly dive into it on Vile Files Plus. We also get your updates on your favorite assnick callers. So if, and everything is now ad-free. So be sure to sign up. You'll be glad that you did. Andrea Michelle, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having us. We're excited. Very excited to have you. Well, I message you, Andrea.

I'm so fascinated with a million-dollar nanny. I mean, we saw the previews for it, wanted to check it out. and we were just like, holy shit, how did this show get made? It was very fascinating. I mean, you guys, I'm curious how you guys came up with this idea, but, like, it really is brilliant because I think it touches on so many, you know, interesting and sensitive, like topics, like childcare in general, obviously, just a very sensitive topic. So many opinions about parenting and things like that. Child care, you know, goes a step further.

I'm just curious how you were able to, like, make this show. come to life because to do that, you have to find the nannies, you have to find the families, you have to make sure that they're okay with being filmed, all very fascinating stuff. So I'm really curious how it all came together. We originally, this was a while ago, there was an article in the New York Times about disco nannies. I don't know, and we were like, what's a disco nanny? And so we read the article and it was about these nannies who come in and work for elite families in these party destinations. And that's how Michelle and I were fascinated by this article. Yeah, because so often you think of parenting and there's this like cultural judgment, right? Once you become a parent, you kind of lose

your social life. And it's almost, you surrender to this idea of it's all about your kids and as it should be. But what would happen when you cohabitate in like life before kids, life after kids, in the blend of that. So this idea of disco nannies allows you to kind of nod back to the heyday of having a good time and letting it rip while also being mindful and having somebody that is around watching your kid while you're doing that. So we're like, hmm, what's this gray area? What is this space? What does it look like? So are the families that we're watching on this show part of this like disco, is it like a lifestyle? Is it a community of people? Or is it just like based off that kind of premise?

Yeah, how did you get there? It's mainly based off that premise. I mean, that gave us the initial idea, Nick. So then we were just like, you know, so interesting. Because Michelle and I are so curious anyway about, you know, these worlds, like these niche worlds. And like pulling back the curtain on things that we normally don't see, right? So when we started doing deep dives and finding out that like in Ibiza and even in Greece and other places around the world, there's these really, really rich top 1% families that vacation there.

They always don't bring their nannies with them. And if they do, they might need another one. And we were like, oh, my God, this is amazing. So that's how it all started. And there are all of these families. Abiza was just getting more and more popular. And we started researching about Abiza, or Abiza, I should say. and really seeing that there are these top 1% families

that were getting villas there, were spending their summers there, and we just thought it was the recipe for success for a show. Was it difficult to find families who wanted to participate in this show, or did you have like a line out the door of people who were hoping to be on TV? Michelle? It was such a blend of, you know, Leah, who's our main nanny in kind of the,

the ringleader of this, she wanted to start her own agency, right? So she has an inherent rolodex of people through families she's worked for, through references of those families. Transparently, we met families while filming there that were interested because word gets around in Abiza. What, you know, what stays, when lands in Abiza doesn't necessarily stay within the confines of the gates of Abiza. So people were talking. We also did a casting, obviously, you know. Yes. We had to. So for Michelle and I, this.

was so important that this was authentic, you know, and these were like really 1% families. So we did deep dives on that. We worked with Chelsea Stevens, an amazing casting director, and found some families that really go to these destinations, our really top 1% really use nannies. And then like Michelle said, I think through Leah's Rolodex, through our casting. And then also the island itself, like some of our families were found organically while we were filming and the cast found some as well because there's just so many people there and when they would be at a beach club or something, you know, there's that scene when Jack runs up and he's like, do you need a nanny? And the woman was like, yes. So yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think to lean in on the casting of it all as well, we're huge

on diversity with our shows. So as you will see, the idea of 1% is like all over the spectrum on the show. You have three dads. You have this Cuban-American family that, like, you know, the parents landed and they worked so hard and they blew up and they made it. And that's like the American dream there. You've got a family that, I mean, like, there's so many bits and pieces. There's a single mom that's British that was once a pop star. And she lives in a Barbie house in London and is like iconic to her young daughters. So it's like we're telling all these narratives as well of what a family looks like and caretaking.

So it was really cool to kind of dip into the casting in that realm and really go wide with this idea of what one percent looks like nowadays. But to answer your other question, yes. I mean, it wasn't, you know, the easiest process in the world, you know, because you're dealing with people who have NDAs and you're dealing with people who might not want their whole lives on camera. So it was really finding that balance of who is legitimately a 1% family who needs. a nanny who travels to these places and is good for TV and wants to participate, you know? I am curious, you know, we're new parents. We've learned pretty quickly just how, again, how sensitive this space is that is parenting, right? Every, you know, there's not a single parent out there who doesn't have a strong opinion about parenting and then, therefore, how others parent. I'm curious, like, you know, two-part question, what were some of the, like,

requirements of the families that you that you guys found to be shocking or outrageous. And second, was it ever difficult? You know, as a producer, you're obviously, you want the drama, you want the interesting people, you want all this diversity of perspectives. Was it all so hard for you, ladies, at times, not to judge the families or the parents about how they went about some of their parenting choices with their kids and the nannies? I would say that with the nannies and the families, I think, you know, judging, I loved our families. I really did. I thought that, you know, they were amazing. But regarding some of their request, yeah, I mean, they were a little over the top, you know? It's like, you know, can you have to get in the pool with, with your makeup on dressed as a princess. You know, you have to know, no self-defense. You know, it's like beyond. But, but did it. surprise us. No, not necessarily because of who these families are and just, you know, they were

top 1% so we were willing to go for it. But I would say, I don't necessarily think I judged them at all. You know, I think we were always so, we were always so mindful of making sure as well that we had nannies who were really skilled. That was something that was so important to us. Like, we authentically wanted to find nannies that did this and they loved kids. So all of our nannies came in being like, we love kids and they had heard everything under the sun. You know, Leo was a celebrity nanny. Sydney works for some top families in Scottsdale who are like big sports people and stuff like that. So I think that they had heard the gamut of everything and been asked to do everything.

So nothing surprised them. So if it didn't surprise the nannies, it didn't really, it didn't really. it didn't really ruffle our feathers because if they were like down then we were like, okay, this is normal par for the course. Did their involvement in the show affect any of their relationships

with the families who they had worked for prior or who maybe didn't want to be on the show now that they were kind of out there as public figures and celebrities but also being nannies? I mean, we'd have to ask the nannies for sure but as far as I know, I don't think so. Like, you know, I think that they know who they are.

I mean, I would be curious to see if any of them got hit up from any of their old families. But, you know, all of the nannies now, which is really interesting to me, after working with our families, like Olivia is currently nannying for three dads in L.A. Sydney is on her way soon to go to the Giaberté's Vowarnoil ceremony. and she's been working with them. I think Taylor and Mitchell visited Nicola in London. Yeah, I mean, they've all had these like beyond the series relationships that they've connected to. But the families, to answer the question, the nannies were very discreet about sharing who they worked with with the families. Like the whole NDA thing, like they didn't flaunt it.

So I think they knew that they kind of had to keep it quiet. if they wanted to go back to certain people. So they were good about that. But yeah, we'd have to check in for sure. I have a question. I think with Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, obviously, it's so interesting because you're following family dynamics, but we don't really hear from the kids ever. But in this, you guys actually, like, the kids are a focus.

So I'm curious, like, what challenges that brought to filming? And I'm sure it's also very sensitive. Like, how much input did the parents get on what is actually shown? their children or if any or being asked of them or being asked yeah great question that's a really good question we were very very careful about not producing the kids i mean when we're talking about doc you series that's when really the doc came in and allowing these children to be themselves and allowing the nannies to interact with the children in the way that they would we really really wanted to lean in on the you know authenticity and honesty of that and as you saw like some of

these children were just incredible characters. Like my three dads, the twins were like, I was just like, oh my God, I can't even, like, I can't even write this because the split of just the dual personalities and how one was so elevated and the other one was just like such a kid. I mean, it was so surprising because there was a lot of, I think the children were really kind of the element of discovery in our piece. Like it was just like magic to just stay curious. and stay open and just a really allow time for us to like film like just just follow the journey with them so it was it was nice to see that and we also just made sure to have like we had child welfare of people on set you know we just had people who were dedicated to making sure that the kids were

safe at all times um we really were mindful of the hours we were shooting with the kids it was so important to us to make sure that the kids, you know, were being looked after properly, not just by the nannies and their families, but like production wise as well. We were taking all necessary steps to make sure that that that was happening. And honestly, in retrospect, the parents were not far away. If we think about it, Andrea, like they were always like, it wasn't like they, you know, went to the, they pieced out. They were within reach for sure. So it was, there was this, kind of safety net in a way that they were kind of in the periphery as well. What was kind of like the decision process of like having the entire families being the focus

of like the show? Because obviously with the nannies you're going to film the kids, but with having it focused on like the whole dynamic. Was that something you guys thought about before you started shooting or was that kind of something you found like as you were as you were going about it. I think a little bit of both. I mean, the families that we that we cast that we found were so dynamic that it was hard to not film them. Like, you know, when we filmed the scene of Tati and Camilla interviewing the nannies and they were able to pick whoever they wanted and they did that all themselves, we were just like, oh my God, like, who does this? You know, who asks to sing baby shark and, you know, name the designers that make strollers.

Like, oh my gosh. I was like, what? So it just kind of happened naturally. But also, I think the thing that surprised me is, you know, I didn't know how so many of these families like are present, like Michelle said, when the nanny is there. So they're just always there, which is so interesting to me, you know? It's like they're never far. Like they have nannies to be in the room while they're cooking.

You know what I mean? It's really, so they were just, they were just a part of it. And honestly, they were such big characters and added so much that we leaned in. Well,

it's a fascinating premise. I'm excited to see more of it. And I hope it's around for a while because it's, I just think it touches on so many interesting topics when it comes to, you know,

family dynamics and interpersonal relationships. So congratulations to you both. It's really fascinating. One more question. Andrew, I know you work with the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. ladies. Michelle, do you also work with them? I do not work with them. Andrea and I, yeah,

we divide and conquer. Understood. Just curious, Andrea, obviously we love those women. We're huge fans of the franchise. What's the future look like for the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, specifically the ladies in Utah? And what can we expect of season five whenever we get to see it? Well, season five is, you know, as everyone probably knows, is just the reality of what was happening during that time. Okay. I don't know when that's going to air, but I think it's going to be a wild ride. And, you know, and we're just excited to get back up and running. And I can't wait to continue filming with the ladies.

And I love them and I love doing the show. and we're excited for the future of mom talk. Is there, well, we love hearing that. Is there a future for dad talk? How do you feel about that? Nick, I have no comment about dad talk. Okay. All right.

We'll take that hopefully as a no. Anyways, Andrea and Michelle, we really, really appreciate you taking time. Congratulations on Million Dollar Nanny. we hope that it has as much as success as Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and we just appreciate your insight so thanks so much. Thank you guys so much.

From your mouth to the universe's ears, I hope so. And hey, if you guys need a million dollar nanny, there's a season two. You're more than welcome. All right. I don't know how interesting of television we would be.

Yeah. I need to up my standards a little bit. Yeah, I didn't come over some ridiculous questions. Where would you guys vacation to out of curiosity, like if there was a destination. I've never been to Ibiza. I think I have to learn how to say it first before they let me in. I also have never been to Greece,

which is definitely on my bucket list. It's funny that you say that. Okay. Okay, season two. Wow. I would like to go to Greece. Good to know. I don't know if I'm quite in that 1% though, you know?

Yeah. I think we're a little far off. You guys are quiet 1%. You're getting there. they're crushing life they are crushing life thanks so much ladies we appreciate you thank you guys

thanks guys thank you very much fancying stuff fascinating it's so interesting to hear the perspective of like people making the show because I think so much

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How are you feeling about your experience these days? Honestly, now I'm feeling like overwhelmed because a lot of things going on. Yeah. My life, I was expecting. And I didn't know anything about the proportion of the show, you know. Even like the producer, they knew that. And I was stunned and it was like, I've never watched the show before.

I never watched like an episode. I was like, oh shit, I only knew that I was going there to find my best connection. And yeah, have a good time. That was it. And now I feel like, oh shit, everyone's loving me or hating me. When I was reading all the comments, I was like, oh shit. It's like way bigger than I was expecting. But at the same time, like, it's fucking cool, you know.

I've been enjoying the whole love that people are giving to me. You know, I cannot complain. I went to the villa. I don't have any regrets about it. That's why I feel like happy with myself, which most important. I think fans really love that authenticity. city they got to see from you because you really showed up, you know, your true itself, which was cool to see. But I got to say, Matt, I think your story is really incredible.

I think obviously with this show being so big as it is now, you being someone from Brazil who moved to the United States a few years back, not speaking English, and then you found yourself on such a big show like Love Island, I think is also just an incredible story. I read here that your computer science major or have a computer science background. That's pretty cool, Matt. Yeah, I'm studying for computer science. I'm in my second year. You know, that's one thing there. I was telling the girls knew that, like, the girls knew that, like, yeah,

and Jen, they knew that. But nobody saw that. So that's okay, you know, at least they knew more about me. And I completely understand that's probably something that nobody's interested. At least so, like, who is watching? But, yeah, when I

was in my last speech, I say how hard it was because nobody will understand which are immigrants going through in their life. when you arrive here. You know, like everything is hard when you start a new life from the zero. And it was not just me. It was me and my parents, you know, and they took care of me the whole life.

And now and then I was like, oh shit, now I'm here, I'm within. Nobody speaks English here. I think I'll be the guy who's going to lead this, you know. So I grew a lot in a short, in a short time in a couple years. So, like, being the guy who arrived in the States, like, printed out, like, some resume and going out, like, just giving to, like, store by store to arrive at the biggest reality show in the world or in the States. I don't know. Awesome. For me, it's, like, it's huge, you know. So just me, I know what I've been through to get there. And I'm very, I'm very happy with that.

Is there anything the version of yourself would tell? that version of you. Oh my gosh. I just say like I never thought about it. Like I swear to say like I'm very proud of you because you know how hard it would be and that you made it. That's awesome. What does your family think of this whole experience?

Oh my gosh. Since the beginning they were super happy. They were super happy. Just the fact that I was going to Fiji. And I also was happy because I was like, oh shit. I never thought about going to Fiji. It's fucking far away for me. And I always there just like, oh, if I go in or no, I'm already happy, you know?

And I ended up going the first episode and all that was shit. Now it's time to make the hat and show them where, how I am. That's awesome, man. That's awesome. Do you feel like you're obviously a good-looking guy. You ended up on Love Island. I think also you've done some modeling. But with you being like in computer science, do you feel like people often read you the wrong way,

almost like we, maybe some people on Love Island, you can be like a suave, sexual guy who likes to be around women and also be a computer science major. Is that something that you've experienced in your life even outside of the TV show, or is that something that's new to you, people kind of judging you too quickly

or assuming that you're only one thing when maybe you're a lot more? Guys, like, that's this stereotype. I'm Latino, I'm Brazilian. like my light skin, my tattoos. So people are going to judge you based on what they see. And for me, I don't care. You know, like my family, my friends, you know, about me, like my values,

which is the most important thing for me. That's why I say I don't have any regrets. The guys, when I left, they were pissed because they knew about my real feelings, you know. But they knew that I was feeling at least for 10 at that point. And they were not understanding. they were like, oh shit, bro, like, you're leaving the fucking love island experience the whole time. So why are you living? And I'm like, and people are saying like, you're lustful?

Like, are you lustful? What you mean? Like, everyone's kissing each other here. Right. Because you're kissing out of the challenge. But now, like, I was watching the episode. Everyone's kissing each other out of the challenge. And, I mean, just because I kiss different.

Yeah. Because I have the Brazilian kiss. So you are, you're keeping up with the show. Yeah. I mean, I've been watching. So what do you think of, like, you know, last night's episode was obviously another great episode, but, you know, it seems like a lot of the men, your boys, are very excited about the women of Casa. I mean, I think it was Corbin, who literally was like the Casa women are so much better.

Now, I know you didn't get to meet the Casa women, but why do you feel like Corbett and some of the other men seem to be having the time that they're having over at Casa compared to the time they had in the villa? I don't know because probably they found a better connection because of more than they were having before, which is completely fine, invalid. You know, as I say, when I was leaving, my first connection would not be the best one and better than the next one, you know? But like, if we explore and you open herself to have like new connection, new conversations, you're going to be like, oh shit. I think this person, like, at least with Jen, for me, she was like better than, not better. but all conversations were better than I was expecting. You had a lot of things like very similar. She would understand me.

And I was like, oh shit, like, she's like fucking with me, you know? And that's why I was investing. Even the fact that I knew like she, I wasn't her type. I was like, oh, shit, no. I like her. So at least my part I'll be doing. And yeah. But like for the guys, if they found like a better connection,

at least Kirby and with Parameda, I think that's her name. That's valid, you know? It's valid. but doesn't mean like his connection with Kansas words, like worse or just something different, no? Obviously, Anaya and Casey has been the subject for a lot of fans kind of debating how, you know, each of them are moving. You know, you got a lot of Anaya stands, you know, thinking, hey, like, she's been very clear about what she wants and Casey might be a little confusing. Casey fans feel like, you know, he can do nothing right. How did you see it, their relationship in the villa and whose perspective do you understand a little bit more?

I think the fact that they didn't get tested in any moment, that's one thing that's probably they're being thinking, oh, shit. Like, probably I also like this guy, also like this girl, you know. And it's very interesting because Casey, after the love letter, he was telling me like, oh, shit, bro, like, now I feel like I'm getting closer and closer. But doesn't mean they were, like, closed off and locked in, you know. But as I say, like, they started like testing us the whole time, you know,

I got to kiss this person. You got to go in a chat with this person. So you never know what can happen. And we are like also normal people. We just met each other like in the village. You know, always with beer for a week and a half. I'm going to say like she was the one or like even with Jen. You know?

And nobody showed like this part. But like one beer left, the next day I pulled. Trini and Keda for a child. And I say, don't get me wrong. Like from now, I'm going to do my best with Jen. I want to make that happen because don't come up to me and say, oh, you're doing the same thing that I used to do with Beard because it's not fair with me. You know, it's not fair.

Like, I don't see any reason to do it. They were like, oh, okay, okay, these and that. Because people can judge me because I'm very, I like to show my affection. And that's one thing very clean. Everyone knows that. You told Kada and Trinity that you wanted to focus on Jen? Yeah, I totally kidding. Yeah, the next day, like when we left, I went to talk to them, yes. So was that even more upsetting when they voted you off accusing you of being lustful and not like, you know, especially after you communicated to them that that's in fact what you wanted to do?

Yeah, 100%. Just because I'm affectionate doesn't mean that like I'm lustful, you know? Yeah. I don't see any point about it. I feel like we really saw your true colors as you were leaving when you were speaking Portuguese to Bayer. And then obviously, after Sunday showed you going to her Instagram and how you spoke about her was so sincere and genuine. Have you reached out to her post-villa? Yeah, we talked.

Yeah, we talked like a day ago. Any updates? I'm not like she was kind of, oh, she like here we kind of moved quickly. But, and then like you had like a conversation, but we're good now, you know. I was explaining my point and she understood. I'm not going to lie, she understood. But we are in a good position. We know we're friends, you know.

She seems very level-headed. Like, she would get it. What do you make of Trinity and Bryce's connection? They're very popular with a lot of fans, but once again, there's a lot of fans are debating, you know. Are they really into each other? Who likes humor? What do you think of that connection?

Do you think it's one that might last? At least, I can talk about Bryce because we had a lot of conversation. I can say like he really he isn't like into her, you know, they like he really likes her. And that's why I was defending him in the after son. I was like, no, like Bryce, he likes her. Doesn't mean like you have a type that when you meet the person that you, different, that you're going to forget everything, you know.

And okay, probably she's not the, the, the, he's usual type, but he still likes her. And you don't, you don't, you don't force it. You just feel it, you know, because if you're not like, Jan would be with him, not with me. So that's one thing like, he was, he was, he's been, he's been liking her. And I think people need to respect this. And I don't know about Trini with him, but I know at least from his part, he really likes her. And he feels like safe because they make a lot of jokes.

because they like to be close to each other. So I really feel like they're big. They are big in the show. Who are you most surprised by their actions at Casa? They giggle. Surprised it. Oh, fuck. It's a good question.

It's been thinking hard. It's a good question. I'd say, Okay. I don't say, oh shit, I don't have answer for this. Were you shocked by the guys being so down to be into the heart rate challenge? Were you shocked? Guy, that's a challenge.

That's our moment to show you out. Did you have some fomo? Yeah, did you have fomo? What is fomo? Fear of missing out. Like, were you jealous you weren't there? I mean, I missed a villa. I miss the villa.

You would have killed Casa. Leaving you left with Soul. It seemed like you guys got to have some nice moments at the airport and did some lives. But obviously, your friends with Sincere, it seemed like. Soul had some strong feelings about how sincere moved with her. How did you see that relationship unfold? And did you empathize more with Soul or the position that Sincere was in trying to juggle two relationships? Honestly, me and Sincere, we had a lot of conversation.

He was my vet. best friend, the villa, you know, that's why he was really sad when I was leaving. He was like, bro, like, you helped me a lot. When the time, like, when I was like most confusing, like here, you are always there, like, give me advice because I'm, like, I'm very open mind and I'm very, like, up front with my, with my thoughts, you know. And when I felt he was putting melons, feel like, bro, what the fuck is that? You just met her. She's not your girlfriend. And, You gotta change your mind about it, you know? Because she's being disrespecting you from everyone.

We're in a fucking relationship. It doesn't look like, but everyone is watching us. And the fact thing she was, we were watching then talking with Kirby, and she was very excited. Even the fact that she knew that we had seen then, she was like in the top of hand and when she talked to him. And since she was there, like watching. And then we like back and forth, kissing Kirby and a hand.

what is that? And then he got to put her feeling in front of the hiss. I was like, no, bro, like, just go for show, you know, she's your type and just go for it. You know, just like forget Melanie for now and go for it. Like, you're not going to have any regrets

because you're going to be following your feelings when what you want, you know, just give a chance. But even the love letter, he said Melanie, he feels more. It's still understandable, you know, because he had a more time with Melanie. And that's one thing here that we cannot control.

Even if I talk a lot about him for him, like, oh, bro, there's this and that. The end of the day, it's going to be his feelings for us. And that's what he did. I guess maybe the last couple we have to get your opinion on is Keda and Zach. Who do you feel like it has more power and control in that relationship? Is one person maybe kind of exploring their options more than the other? Who's more like it locked in? say Zach,

Zach's very locked in. Looks like he's not because people have been saying this, but since the beginning, he was very locked in. Even if he's saying he's open, he's kind of like open, but not very open,

you know? And yeah, I'd say Zach, Zach's very open. I think Kit is a little bit open to explore more. Okay. What couple do you think has the best chance of winning right now and what couple do you think?

And why do you think of Trinity and Bryce? I didn't say that. I was asking me a question. I would say Trini and Bryce, for sure. Because as I say, they have a base. They have a, like, they started as a friend, and they started growing, growing, growing. And when they noticed they were, they were in a couple,

I have a good time, and that's very important, you know. And I think Kenzie and Corbyn, unfortunately, like, Cermereman's my boy He's from my name But he's also like With Parameda and all And well I think he would be like

Changing his mind Because I think like he He's like she's more He's type And Yeah I think Corbin forgot that Kenzie was in the villa

Like it seems like he didn't I think he forgot She can do the splits Probably We don't know about her split You like her splits? I mean she's split my face.

What's not the like? What? What couple? Oh shit. Let me do my thing now. Outside of you and Jen, what couple was making out the most at night in bed? Or were you too busy doing your thing to notice? Yeah.

I told them. After a son, I was like, oh, I was not worried about anybody else. I was focusing myself in my moment. That's a good sign. Were you wearing the, don't they hand out, like, earwear? plugs? Air plugs? No, no.

They don't. Oh, okay. So you just hear everybody. I was not using. You weren't using it. I mean, I was not hearing anyone. I think, see, I was the most active in the place. They were hearing me.

Yeah. You were busy. He was having a good time. He was passing out the air. That was funny. Because Trini was sleeping next to me. One day he should say, Bryce told me, bro, like, well,

Trini couldn't stop. She went to step better because she was hearing out and that was funny. But I mean, because the thing is, sometimes I like to explain this because showing our affection and kissing from everyone. Or even having sex, not like a big thing for like for us Brazilians, you know? Like we see like all of these as a normal thing. You don't have these taboo that people create here in the States. I also respect that people think like we do these different. but guys that people need to understand us too

because that come from a different background and different culture and that's totally understandable too. What's been the funniest thing you've read about yourself online or seen about yourself? That I'm lustful. There we go.

Okay. Case close. Case close. Confirming here, he's not. Gabriel, we appreciate you taking time. We know you have to go, man. This has been a lot of fun. It's been great getting to know you

and thanks for all the insight. But it was a real pleasure watching you on this show. And we were sad to see you go, man. But good luck with everything that's about to come into your life. And we're excited to see what this kind of journey brings you. And I really appreciate your time, man. Thank you guys so much. Thank you for the opportunity to be talking to you all.

And yeah, see you guys. See you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Oh, so precious. What a sweet man.

Yeah. Yeah. Charming. He really is. My favorite part is when he kind of laughed at us and goes, guys, it's a challenge. Yeah. You know, we're so like hyperbolic and ridiculous.

I mean, I do think, I'm sorry, challenge or not, it was. They did too much. It was the lip-licking. But you're going on Love Island. I get where he's coming from from his perspective. But Sears facial, I felt like I got to see his O-Face. And by O-Face, I mean, like, phase he makes when he climaxes. Yeah.

I know what O-Face is. Yeah. Okay. I think we all know. But thank you for the definition. That is. Thank you. Okay. And I was like, challenge or not. I was like, I didn't need to see that. I mean, I'm not complaining because it's good TV and great commentary, but I don't know if, if. And then the work at girl from Corbyn was like came out so effortlessly. I also feel like we are so past that, though. Like last night's episode, I feel like it was soft porn. Yeah. I've been feeling like that.

It's 100%. You know, yeah, since episode one. you're right favorite sex position make out soft porn you're right doggy who's like Kensi's new

hottie I like him obsessed with him yeah what is his name Dylan or something am I crazy or maybe it feels

like the men in the new men the bombshells are come across as more manly yes less sexualized and more

emotionally mature yes and And inherently mainly. I love Spider-Man. And I'm not like, but like, I just don't get, Zach has been whiny.

I don't get Zach and Kada. I just, Kada does not seem like the type of lady who, who is going to get really excited to like watch some Marvel Spider-Man with Zach. I, she doesn't give that type of energy.

She gives like, like she could date literally anyone. She's gorgeous. You know, like a highly successful, serious, I just. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I wish Zach and Keda did not go to

Hideaway. Hideaway. Are the Casa boys, men, are they older than the villa boys? That's what it gets. That's what it feels like. I'm actually so curious. Do you guys think that it was intentional

from production descendant like taller, more manly? They're all tall. No, but into the villa. No, they're taller. These women are like, how tall are you? You're very tall. They're all commenting

on how tall. No one's getting called Lord Farquah. The Cossack guys are, yeah. Like I think Sincer was pretty short. I think Zach's pretty short. I think Casey's probably pretty short. We met Charlie. I mean, short.

Like again, reality TV, they cast giants. I'm six two. In the world of like the universe, most people think I'm pretty tall. I walk into reality TV set. I'm average height. Yeah. I mean less by the height, to be honest.

More they, it seems as if the men they're bringing into Casa. are specifically kind of like more butch. I mean, we had, for lack of a better term. We had gall being like, I hope the OG men come back and see all these buff guys like cooking breakfast.

Like, I think it is kind of made at least known within the island that like the OG guys are maybe a little bit smaller, stronger. They're watching them. Confirmed all the CASA boys are in their later 20s. And then it almost could be like... Or mostly. Maybe, maybe, I don't know. No, I feel like Love I own producers are thinking about this.

But it's like you kind of have the commentary on modern dating this season of like you have these kind of what you were talking about with West, these like little scrawny boys versus like the men that come into CASA. What about this isn't? Emotionally scrawny. The like weak men, your whole thing with that of like not saying every single man in. Yeah, where it's like this kind of gentle centering feelings. And that's kind of who's our main guys and then you have these causal boys. I like the centering feelings. But I don't you want the balance though?

But it's interesting to see the... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I want balance. I value centering feelings and emotions. I'm like, I'm cool with that. I'm not, I'm not down. I don't know that I think the... I don't know that I think the VILA guys are, though.

I feel like they are childish. Yeah. Yeah, it's giving a little adolescent behavior. Yeah, rather than in tune with your emotions, allowing your emotions to take precedent, you know? I mean, sincere, like, I want to be friends with sincere. He seems like a very... fun, charming guy.

He's so charming and then he does his shit where you're just like, the way he goes, my favorite line of the episode was it would be selfish of me not to explore you. Yeah. Because you wouldn't get an opportunity to connect with me. You wouldn't have to love island experience if I. Did not make out with you. Did it? I love it.

If I don't touch your tities, you might have no shot at staying. So I'm going to do you a favor. You're well. And explore. Yeah. You are welcome, by the way, for me touching your boobs right now. Like, you should be grateful. You should be so grateful for this opportunity.

And it's also like with the way the like boys are talking about these women at CASA and being like, oh, finally. Like these boys are so much better. It's like, shut the hell up. I'm over it. I'm done. And I know, I know it's in the edit. Blah, blah, blah. Whatever.

It's just like you watch the way that they. treat like you know what i think it is i think i think in the villa the women are in control they the women have the power and the men feel it and they feel like they're really dictating terms you know even you know maybe sincere is moving this way but like Melanie's reactions i think are prioritized by the you know it's the women are generally in control and in the in casa the men feel very in control obviously they're they're the ones who get to pick They're the main characters, the women of Casa, like need to be literally picked in order to stay on the show.

And I think, not clearly, not I think, clearly, they love that power. That they're not receiving from the women in the villa. I hadn't thought about that. It is like a power dynamic switch completely. But then it's like you watch the way the men treat the women of Casa when they are in power. And it's just like kind of icky, you know?

And it's like, I don't know. Very sexualized? Yeah, hypersexualized. I was not really looking to them as like they're the replacement, you know, for the women that have power. Like when you have Corbin and, well, it's mostly Corbin. And he like, Caleb's looking kind of sweet and awkward. And then they're like fist pumping because they know they're kind of pursuing the same girl again. But it's kind of giving.

Yeah. Can we talk about the challenge? Disgusting. Disgusting. They need mouthwash, all the toes in the mouth. When Trinity was like, I need to pray and I need to. wash everything. My butt.

She said my butt. I said, what got in there? What did they cut out? That was real. It was awful. It was so hard to watch. I feel so bad for Caleb being tickle. That made me actually so sad.

Oh, me too. That shouldn't have even been in there, first of all. What are you supposed to do? Literally. What is tickle? What do you mean? Tickle? And of course it was Caleb who got it, the sweetest, most awkward.

little angel This man has not had a chance. No. He has not. He has been shitted on every time. But I'm rooting for him now. And I really wasn't. Not that I had anything against him.

I just didn't have much of a draw. But honestly, seeing the time after time, look at this resilience on this man. Truly. He is fighting through getting the tickle. The good news is, like, Caleb is just cool as a cucumber. Yeah.

He knows he's a great-looking guy who's got a lot going for him. His person hasn't shown up and there's not much he can do about it. You know? And you don't see him whining about it all that much. Not at all. Who's he with Jaden?

Her being like, how do you say anything not in an accent? Like that's not how an accent works. It's just how we talk. I come like this. Yeah. This is how I'm built. She's like, okay, I'm trying to think how I can also talk in an accent.

How can I? And oh my God, his way of describing in Southern accent. It's just like, just like... Turn off half your brain and mumble. Mumble. And I was like, exactly, brother. I think if I'm betting on who's winning Love Island right now,

and you can make some bets out there. I'm actually going to... Bryce and Trinity. It's going to be Bryce and Trinity. What are the betting odds, Justin? My betting odds are that it's going to be... It's not going to be... Bryce and Trinity, if it's going to be an OG couple.

But I actually think it's going to be a bombshell that walks in or a relationship that starts because, people get too bitter. Like, it's almost like perfect match. The real strong couples never actually win. Typically, yes. But I wonder, like, that happened last season. It really, it wasn't a couple of that one last year.

It was a Maya. Amaya won last season. According to Time magazine, these are the betting odds. Trinity and Bryce 34%. Melanie and sincere 27%. And Nye and KC 11%, Kada and Zack 11%. And Kada and Caleb 4%.

Yeah. It says 34% implied win probability. yeah yeah trinian well trinian and brice i think i can see the producers wanting to make an ogy couple win but the year before we did have cordel in serena that's true yeah and i really think obviously the the real star is trinity but you had this really nice moment you know and and they gave us the tension you know not last night's but the ninth episode before ended with like trinity making out with cori and then like five minutes into the next episode it's like that wasn't literally not at anything

a thing. Yeah. She was crying because she missed Bryce. Yeah. They seem pretty locked in

and people obviously like really love Trinity and I think Bryce seems sweet enough where they're gonna and that I think the slow burn will benefit them

at the end because like we're gonna we already have Casey and Anaya and Melanie and sincere fatigue. Like at this point I cannot wait

for the sincere and Melanie breakup because it's gonna be awesome. If they don't know a movie night after this casa. What a waste of our time. There's so much good movie night. It's also going to be so good for Bryce and Trini to see each other like crying for each other.

I also feel like movie night like sincere is going to figure out his way to talk himself out of movie night and the way it looks and what he did and how he had to explore and how I think the Corey, I think Melanie might be sincere like sincerely like he's hot. Actually, Corey seems really sincere. He does. Like he seems his conversation with Melanie when he was like, I didn't love. I think Corey made a mistake

when he low-key told unsincere. I think when you do shit like that, what you're really doing is getting, he made Melanie think about sincere. Yeah. You don't want to, that's why they say, like don't talk about exes on her first day.

Like that's the easiest way to make someone not think about you and think about someone you don't want to think about. I did like how he was like, I liked it when he shifted it and focused on himself about give me a chance to show you what you deserve, some version of that, right?

And he said it in a way that's like, I mean, sincere, so, like, he has such a West Wilson side of him, which he's so charming. He, it has this very likable demeanor, but so much what comes out of his mouth really is kind of bullshit. It really is the opposite of sincere.

It just feels, I like you. And he pauses. You can, you know, Amara's like, I really like you. And he pauses. I know. And he's like, fuck it. I really like you too.

Like, you know, it's not, it doesn't come across. It's like, well, it's like, you know what? You can hear, now that we know how he talks, you can almost hear his thoughts of being like, it would be selfish of me or rude or like, I don't want to make her feel a certain way. So I'm going to tell her the thing in this moment that's going to make her happy. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. He's trying to have immediate relationships, but no sort of like further expectation.

Right. But I do find him very charming. Yeah, he is. Are we a little disappointed in Anaya? She was talking a big game a couple nights ago, and I know she has the thing with Carl and maybe they're just not seeing it. But outside of the challenge, I am not seeing her. I'm seeing more scenes of her and Melanie talking about how they're missing their men. They didn't show.

I don't think they showed us any of that last night. We didn't see any of it. Don't you think they would have shown? Well, we got that the night before. This last night we got Kinsey and her guy. we got Corey and Melanie We got like I think they're kind of like splitting up Who they're showing us

Yeah maybe Kada and we got Kada and Chee Which do we believe Chee I live I really believe Jay What's not to believe? I don't know I mean just like The no social media I wonder Oh that's interesting Here's my question

Yeah is it like you don't have social media Because the producers made you Deactivate your account that's what I mean And like are we still not going to have social media after we get off this show? Because like, okay. He has the potential, and this is like my personal take on it

because he, if he is pure of heart, he will remind me of my best friend's boyfriend who I love, which is a very high standard because I don't love all of my friends' boyfriends, but this guy I love. And Che might remind me of him, but only if he's pure of heart and I'm scared that he might not be.

I mean, we don't know much about him. Exactly. But I hit the energy he brings in the conversation with Kada seems like way more of a match for Kada than the energy that I just, I just think the. Yeah. Well, she's such a confident fiery soul, right? And then he is calm, right?

He has a very, like, calm presence where Zach, you've said, whiny. Like, he's always going to make Kada being a baddie kind of his problem. Like, or, you know what I mean? He's that kind of guy where it's like, my girl's so hot. It's her fault. You know what I mean? That's so real. on her like now I'm pissed at her.

Right. And then like, it will be the guy that's going to be like, my girl's a baddie. It seems like 1,000%. Yeah, Zach kind of acts like the guy.

It will be Kada's responsibility not to make him jealous by how other guys treat her. And yes, in relationships, there's always like, you know, boundaries we have to respect. But Chee gives like a guy

who's like, I'm... Look at the batty eye pulled. Like, I'm just happy. Yeah. And just like confident in who he is. But like, Maybe this is editing. Maybe we're only getting sound bites of Zach's whining.

You know, certainly we've all whined before. We also haven't had a chance to see Che show his, you know, other sides. I just think if they didn't go to hideaway, Kada would be a lot more open. And I think she is worried about, well, one, I just think, you know, when you. They had the conversation with the girls where I think it was Trinity, who was like, he, y'all went to the hideaway. Like, he's not doing anything. You know, like, I think she kind of put that in her head a little bit. And that's why she's slow to explore with Che.

Is she like worried that like what like if she. The perception. The perception or what it's going to look like or like you know she. And I think she also probably cares for Zach. You know, I think she probably also has a part of her that's like if he's like, like I think if she knew he was exploring she'd be like, I'd be down to explore too. But I don't want to be the one to explore and affect him and hurt him. And have him like cry.

Yeah. Yeah. She doesn't want to make him cry. He doesn't want to make him crying. Yeah. And she could. Yeah. And she probably will.

And I'm going to be really excited. If there was something I can bet on that even, you know. I've seen the video of her fighting. That Katie will in life make Zach cry at some point. I just hope we get it caught on camera. I need something to happen because, you know, like we just can't have all these couples pretend to end up together for a final vote at the end of Love Island. We'll find out.

We will find out. We'll all do it together. don't forget if you haven't listened to yesterday's episode with Dr. Terry Debrough, it's a fascinating episode about all things modern medicine, including his thoughts and feelings on GLP-1s, the future of medicine and AI, clavicular, clivocia, looks maxing,

recent updates on all things plastic surgery. It was such a fascinating episode. We also get into the other night's episode of Love Island, so be sure to check that out if you haven't already. Thank you to our guest, Gabriel, from Love Island, as well as the creators of a million-dollar nanny, Andrea Metz and Michelle Pirelli. And we appreciate you guys for listening.

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