The Viall Files - E1150 - Love Island's Sean Talks Recoupling and Justice For Peter Weber

Episode Date: June 30, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  Nick shares his perspective on an upcoming book from a Bachelor producer, the complicated and unethical relationship with Pete at its center, and the blurred boundaries between contestants and producers. Then, Love Island's Sean joins us to talk about life inside the villa before we break down Casa Amor, Melanie and Sincere, KC and Aniya, Trinity and Bryce, and Gen Z's struggle with real intimacy. You won't want to miss it :) "Justice for Peter!!!" Nick is on Substack! Subscribe here: https://nickviall.substack.com/subscribe  HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE? Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content? Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Bilt: Join the membership for where you live at https://joinbilt.com/viall  Monarch: Use code VIALL at https://monarch.com to get your first year of Monarch Core half off at just $50. Kindred Bravely: Right now, Kindred Bravely is offering our listeners 20% off your first order when you go to https://kindredbravely.com/viall  Nutrafol: For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you visit https://nutrafol.com and enter promo code VIALL. Superpower: For a limited time, our listeners get $20 off to unlock their new health intelligence. Head over to https://superpower.com and use code VIALL for $20 off your membership. To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:38 - Justice for Peter Weber 45:29 - Sean Joins 01:06:55 - Love Island 01:37:34 - Outro Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @parm3_sean @ciaracrobinson    @susiecevans @the_mare_bare @justinkaphillips @baybaeee  

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Welcome back to another episode of the VAL Files reality recap. You did? Realty recap. Reality recap. I'm your host, Nick. I'm extremely activated. I have, I spent all weekend just, my wife's not here. She's nesting.

Sierra is here. Not his wife. We have Susie, Justin's in the room. We also have, you know, it's a full room. Also, Natalie spent all week in hearing what I'm about to say. Oh, I can't wait. She's got all the versions of it. But I had the while this weekend.

And I feel like I'm being gaslit by the internet. And I don't know. know what's going on in Batcher Nation. I think there's like a currently the biggest scandal in reality TV is going on before our very eyes. And even I don't know if no one cares or they don't understand the context. I feel like I'm losing my goddamn mind. Oh, he's activated. I know. I'm just like what is going on. What's going on? What's happening? So there is a book that is about to be released on I think July 7th. It's called The Love Producer. It is written by a former bachelor producer. I don't know entirely what's in the book. Her name is Julie

Laplaka. I know her a little bit. She started on, she actually, I think she got her start on, on Andy's season, which was my first season. I didn't interact her with her that much. I don't know her. She's a little bit I do know about her. Nice. But she wrote a book about apparently this relationship she had with Peter Weber. Pilot Pete. Pilot Pete when he was the bachelor. What? And during the season? I think so. I don't, there's only degrees, like, there's only degrees of wrong. Yeah. Isn't that fucked up? anyways, but what I'm so shocked about is that, like, first of all, I heard about this a couple months ago because she reached out, both to our team and to me directly. Now, I didn't pay much

attention to it because I honestly, without knowing much about the story, like, already thought it was, like, gross, like, that a bachelor producer who, like, again, like, there's so much nuance when it comes to, we talk so much about it on the show, about this relationship between reality TV star and producer. And it is incredibly nuanced, as you know, Suzy, right? It's it's a trade-off. But for a Bachelor-producer to whatever the relationship was, and I didn't know much about it, I didn't think it was much,

to exploit that experience and to write a book about it, I thought was gross, right? But I also just didn't, I didn't pay much attention. I know the context of the story. I went out to dinner. Natalie and I went out to dinner with one of my good friends, also one of a former executive producer on the Bachelor franchise.

And they were just like, have you, like, did you hear about this book? And I'm like, well, tell me about, about it. I didn't really know about it. And they told me about this relationship and they gave me some tea about what actually happened. And I was just like, what the fuck is going on? And then I found out that some of my peers in Bachelors Nation are having her on like their podcasts and talking about it. And again, I'm not I'm not sending smoke their way because, and I'll explain why that I actually like just have a lot of grace and empathy for like, again, all of us bachelor people who like, you know,

listen, we have a lot of pros and cons and things that go on Bachel Nation. But like, I feel like I'm the only one who knows the truth. I feel like I'm the whistleblower. I don't know, because it makes no sense to me that, like, basically, everyone's embracing this book is like a, like, oh my God, T. What's the truth? Well, set that story for us for us.

Okay, so here's the thing that people really, I don't, here's a thing that I think maybe I know that, or maybe I'm just, maybe I'm just, like, detached from reality. I don't know. Maybe no one will care about this. I don't know. But I think what people don't understand.

what's going on here is one just the overall relationship as we talk a lot about about reality TV star and producer but not every producer is the same as you know susie there is a big difference between an executive producer and let's say a field producer or a date producer storyline producer or the lead the bachelor or the bachelorette their main producer now this person julia was peter's main producer now let me explain this relationship. Now, this person is their fucking shadow. This person is their lifeline. This person is their therapist. This person is with the lead for at least six months. Pre-production, during production, post-production, while they're producing the show. This person literally has their passport,

their ID, their phone. This is the person who, like, is letting their family know when they land in a different country to make sure they're okay. They're the ones who, have intimate conversations with Peter and his family being like, they're like, take care of our child. And they're like, I promise, I'll take care of your child. Like, this person literally is their whole universe. They're the one doing every single interview with the lead. To like keep them opened up to relationships and keep exploring their thoughts and feelings. The immense power that this person has over the lead is like I can't even articulate how in like how much it is now just in general like I think a lot of people are fascinated with the relationship between producer and reality

TV star I was talking to some executives I talked a lot over the weekend but even when the Taylor Frankie Paul stuff came out and we were talking about and we were talking about how the importance of like protecting reality TV stars and that's so fascinating about this world that we all live in right, like that we all talk about. And you're seeing it a little bit on Love Island. By the way, we have Sean from Love Island on the episode today. We have a great conversation with him, and there's so much Love Island stuff to get into. He was really great.

He was really great. But, like, the best way to describe, like, this kind of contract, this unofficial contract that reality TV star and a reality TV producer has, which is basically, like, the best analogy, I don't know, there's a couple analogies I came up with. But I've been sticking with the whitewater rafting one, which is basically. Basically, if you go whitewater rafting, you go take a vacation, you sign up for an excursion, you go to Colorado. This is something you would never do in your own because you don't know this world, right? It's literally dangerous. And the tour guy's like, listen, I'm going to promise you like this really intense experience. It's going to be incredibly scary.

I'm going to like, you know, but when we're all done, you're going to make it through safe, right? Like that that's the relationship. And there's this understanding that you're going into their world or even a better one more on the nose is the therapist. It would be like if your therapist's job was to lie to you, and you kind of knew that. But they're also a person that you would get advice from and support and emotional support. But you really trusted them because you don't really know this world. So you give them all your trust in a universe where you have no support system. You don't have the ability to reach out to your family.

You literally don't know what's going on in the real world. It is that person's job to let them know what's going on in the real world if it's relevant. And their job is to drip information when it has the biggest impact, not tell them information when they should know, to tell them information when they're going to get the biggest emotional reaction. And again, when we talk about these shows, I'm not saying this to like finally expose the bachelor producers because again, there's this like, you know, we get a lot from this experience, right? Like most of us all end up okay. You know what I'm saying? Like even Ari, and I was shocked because apparently he commented, I can't wait to read it. But I give a lot of my peers greats because I think we're all.

dealing with this trauma in our own way. And honestly, I have no idea if the former leads know what I know. I think we all know various versions of how, like, how, you know, just how much bullshit and how much producing and all the lies that were told to us. And we all kind of process a different way. I mean, you look at Ari, for example, right? This is a man who at one point was the most hated man in America. But, like, even then, even the producers who were like, yo, you're going to be okay.

He is okay. He met his wife. He's got a beautiful family. He seems like he's living his best life. It seems like he's monetizing the experience. He's doing just fine. Even that, that's a, and I bring that up example

because that is the producer's pushing it to the absolute max. What you don't get to do is seduce these people. You don't get to like, I don't know, I don't know what she exposes, but she wrote this book

and it's like, this is not, this is her, I did it. If I did it? Like the OJ claim? She's telling on herself. Is there not HR? So here's what's so fast. And I want to be clear, I'm only speaking on this because I got Peter's permission.

I called him up. Oh my God. Because I was just like Florida. I was like, what is going on here? I can't believe. How is this happening? He answers. He's in Bangkok because he's a pilot.

I saw his real. Yeah, he's in Asia right now. It was one of those weird conversations and I don't want to say too much because I'm just, I just want to acknowledge that like I'm only speaking on this because I have his, and you know, you know those conversations, you're like, this might ruin his day. I don't, I don't know how he's processes. I don't know where, I hadn't spoken to him about this. So I try to get out as fast as possible.

And I was like, listen, I just heard about this. I'm finding this out in real time. I am shocked about what I'm hearing. I don't know how this has affected you. I don't even know what your point of view on this experience is, but let me tell you mine. Because I honestly don't even know if he knows what I know. Anyway, I got his permission to talk about it. And he's like as long as you, like, as long as what you share is the point of, you know, he's like, but you just shared with what you shared with me. Yeah. Because I was like, listen, I don't want to talk about this if this is going to bring you, like if you, if this is going to bring you any distress. Like this is not my goal. But I, I, I think what's happening you is really wrong. And I think it's fucked up. No one has your back. And I think it's, it must feel fucking Chris Harrison wrote the fucking forward to this book. Yeah. It's fucking crazy. And I have a ton of grace for my bachelor.

their peers because again, I just, I don't even know if they know the full truth, right? Again, most of us when we are like processing and decompressing from our experience, it's best to just move on. It doesn't help us to just like figure out every lie that's ever been told, right? I'm friends with many producers. I don't need to. I'm like, what, 12 years? 10?

What are we in the year? So it's been 10 years since my last bachelor's season. It's been 14 years since my first bachelor's season. do have a lot of friends who were producers. And even to this day, every once in a while will be having a conversation about my experience and they will almost accidentally tell me something about like in a way I was lied to.

I have that experience. Right? And it's kind of a very very, it's like, it's kind of an icky feeling. Or they say something that you realize like, they, like I have a friend that said something like, oh, well, she trusted me so I blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, wait, that's actually so crazy

that you just like admitted that to my face, that you totally. It's kind of like this weird, icky feeling that you have. But you just like, and honestly, it's not productive to go back and like, you know, you just move the fuck on. What are those relationships like now for you guys? Like with that knowledge, kind of. Again, it's, it's nuanced. Yeah.

It's very nuanced. Me and Clayton's producer, we had kind of not actual beef, but like we kind of had like, I mean, that ending of that season was insane. Yeah. And I don't think he liked me or liked that we ended up together. And like, there was a little bit of turmoil for a while. And now we're like totally cool. But similarly, it's like it serves neither of us to have any kind of like animosity. Like I see him.

And we're cool. And honestly, we have a lot in common, you know. But it is. It's like there's so many relationships. Well, the truth is that that specific relationship, the lead bachelor producer and the lead himself, like it's always intense, right? Intense. My former producer, like she's like a sister to me.

Like, we don't talk much. But if if she called me up in need, I would be there for her. intense relationship. Sometimes the leads don't even talk to their producer anymore because again intense. It's always intense. What it's never should be is romantic. I can't, I just can't. And then so anyways, I was, I was, one thing I will say about my conversation with Peter because I was like I felt like I was opening his eyes. I felt honestly really bad for him because I don't, like, I just don't think everyone knows the full scope of just how manipulated we have been over the years. And again, usually there's a tradeoff. Usually we just kind of all.

up okay right like we you know my whole life i'm sitting here today because of that show whatever happened to me in that world it's it's all worked out it's net positive it's net positive but i i wasn't like coerced into a relationship at a time where i was the most vulnerable and then have that and then and then be exploited for it also we know that peter begged not to come out with the book that asked her point blank please don't do this please don't exploit my story and she did it fucking anyways. And you know what's even darker or more cynical about this? You know why you haven't heard from any bachelor producers about why? Because I've talked to many over the weekend and they were all mortified and disgusted by this book existing. You know why? Because they all signed an

NDA and they are not allowed to speak on some of their like, you know, dark behavior as producers in the shit they have to do to produce the bachelor. It would be career suicide. They'd be sued the fuck out of. I said this to Peter had the same question very innocently. And I said, well, Peter, I haven't read the book, but I'm going to go ahead and guess none of that shit's in the book. She didn't write about the fact that she had harassment training at work and then decided to groom fucking Peter into like feelings. You know what I'm saying? She didn't talk about the fact that her job is literally to coerce Peter and get him to say and do things they would probably never otherwise do in that world. It's literally her. You know who Peter goes to when he wants to talk to his therapist? He gets to, he has to go to fucking Julia and get permission to do that. Like again, like she is literally. his whole world in that period of time. I have a question. So say he's having issues with like the contestants or doesn't know who he wants to choose.

I'm assuming she's the one that he's going to for like advice. She's going to hit her for everything. So she's literally like a hidden contestant on the season and he probably didn't even realize. You know what I mean? Like emotionally. There's a poll quote from the book that's like the lines were blurred.

No, they, no, they fucking shouldn't have been. Not for you. It was literally, you literally had harassment training. You literally had training about the responsibility as a producer and the power you have over these people. The fact that they were blurred, it's like, this is a delusional person who has basically decided

instead of like acknowledging like the crazy thing that she is literally doing, she is deluding it into some like rom-com. That's insane. I just think that like it doesn't always work this way with situations because men and women are different in a lot of ways. But if the rules were reversed, if this were my producer from The Bachelor and he was writing a story about how,

I was the Bachelorette or a contestant on the show. Oh my God. If he even crossed that line, I would, I mean, looking back, there'd be so many lawsuits. If he wrote a book about intimacy with me, like that would, like, in that perspective, it is actually so absurd and so disrespectful. It's so fucking gross. It's so gross. And honestly, shame on Chris Harrison.

He should fucking know better. Why do you think Caitlin had this producer on? I don't know. again, I give Caitlin a ton of grace because again, like, we've all had had a bunch of trauma for this. I would I will say this. I imagine that if Caitlin hears my perspective,

I would be shocked if she didn't agree with me. And I think that like, again, I also think in that world, I think we've all been a little desensitized about all this drama, right? I think we've all, every lead certainly know what it's like to get like fucking harassed by the online. And like there's a part of you that, like I hate

to say it, but you're almost like, at least it's not me when the T comes out so to speak but I you know And it's the territory It's like weirdly The territory that we live in It's like scandals happen

And like they kind of push Your career, your narrative And it's as effed up as it is like It's a part of it A little bit of trauma bonding Because I think you know Trauma bonding is the One of the terms

That's the most misused Out there Trauma bonding for all of you It's not two people on the batch Or talking about what happened as kids trauma bonding is what is when you're the person who's taking advantage of you when you bond with that person that's trauma bonding the person who is like creating the trauma right so every bachelor produced that you interact with has been a they've produced drama in your life they have put you

through it right again part of that is like you know as we'll get into love island this this obviously this episode and this is why we're always like telling the audience is just like you know what honestly just take pause a little bit. We do not know the conversations that these Islanders are having with producers. We don't know how they're being guided. We don't know what information is being withheld for them that's given to others. Like all that happens, right? But they are, it's the job of that reality TV producer to create these tension moments, to create these heightened moments. Because like, you know, there might be a moment where, you know, Melanie has had her highs and our lows. But what, what, what Melanie is creating, through the help of producers,

is an army of fans who relate to her because they are pushing her in these situations. It's heightened reality. It's, you know what I'm saying? It is, and there's a bit of a tradeoff. I've said this multiple times that, like, in the moment, when I went to, quote unquote, proposed that Caitlin in my second season,

at the time, I thought other producers were, like, the most evil people for allowing me to do that. And 10 years later, I thank them for allowing me to do that because they gave me an opportunity to shine, right? And that is the contract we have, is that you're going to fuck with me, you're going to put me in unsafe situations,

but you're going to help guide me through that situation, and I'm going to put my unconditional trust in you because, like, I don't know this world. I'm also going to be, you're going to withhold information from me. And there's that trust. You do not get to seduce this person

and exploit that story for your own benefit. It's so fucking wrong. There is no versions of this where it is anything, other than fucking wrong. And I don't know how much she told on herself and what's in that book, but there's only degrees of wrong.

I agree. And also, like, what's weird, too, is Caitlin had asked her, like, did you have Peter Weber dreams that were vivid? And she literally responded still last week. And it's annoying. Sick of it. That's weird.

So, like, it's still happening, which is just like. It's giving fan behavior that's like. What was Chris Harrison's forward? What did you write? Oh, I have some of it here. There's a lot of tea being spilled throughout these pages. But there's so much more beneath the story. surface that readers will find relatable and inspirational.

Come for the gossip but stay for the lessons. The lessons of what? How to exploit? Well, according to Chris, you will be compelled to laugh and to cry. But more importantly, to look in the mirror and ask yourself some very serious questions that will lead you to a better life. I was like what part of this story is inspirational? Has Peter gotten to read it?

Has she been able to take? I don't know. That's a question for Peter. I don't I think he lived it I don't think he needs to read it I'm curious like what she's actually written like I'm sitting here curious like Is there any way that she's like

Exploiting this story like to us maybe Or the the world is but then the book isn't that intimate Like is there any world or I don't know She's clearly on a book tour Yeah I'm talking about it She's talking about it There's also apparently she has this So another thing that's kind of fucked up right

She went on and she's like Do you want to hear the story of how it was almost a bachelette right And so She said what? She was? So, yes. And I, and I, like, Isn't that a conflict of interest?

Hold on, hold on. Let me just tell you the story. I was, and I was, it was, this was confirmed by the, my, my friend who I had dinner with,

that, like, there was a meeting. And again, I, I talked to a lot of, I, I was on the phone all day yesterday of being like,

what the fuck do you think about this? And then everyone's like, I know, it's fucking crazy. And, and then that, that didn't make sense to me. Because, like,

I have, you know, listen, there, there are so many meetings about, being the lead. It's called casting, as one executive told me yesterday. Like, it's not that serious. There are more meetings about, like, who could be the potential lead. That doesn't mean you were almost the lead. But whatever, I digress. But there was a meeting. And I was like, how did you, like, my understanding to the

people I talked to is they, no one knew about this actual, this relationship. Wait, so you're saying your friends confirmed there was a meeting, but didn't know about the relationship. So, yeah. And I said, well, that doesn't make sense to me because I get, you know, but apparently. So, so. I guess these rumors started because again, post-filming that you're filming wraps, used to, wrapped around Thanksgiving time

and then you'd have between Thanksgiving and New Year's was like a downtime. Again, you're still talking to your lead producer every day. Because you're hiding everything. You're hiding, again, they're the only person

you literally can have an honest conversation with because you can't tell the truth to anyone else. Again, like, again, just like an incredibly abuse of power. Peter went to Times Square for the, you know, New Year's Rocking Eve or whatever

and apparently, I don't know, they kissed or didn't kiss. Rumors started spreading about maybe something going on between them. It is my understanding that no one, like, no one, no one, no executive or no one there, like, knew about it. Or even believed it was true because it would have been so fucking crazy. But this was a season where, like, and they had no good options. Because if you remember, Peter's end of season was so messy.

This was a man who was engaged to Hannah Ann, had feelings for Maddie Pruitt, also had feelings for Kelly Flan again. And now you look at that and you think back, holy shit, the person most responsible for his feelings, even more so than Peter, was this Julie girl who was clearly thinking about her own interests. That's why I said she was like a hidden contestant. But like nobody knew. That's so weird. And so she took this meeting and like in the meeting went nowhere fast. Like again, they were just like, I don't know, they heard about a, they heard about a rumor. They had our conversation.

Clearly they didn't pick her. But the way she tells it with Caitlin is that she. She's telling it, and by telling it the way she tells it, she's, to the audience, it makes it seem like the producers did know about it. And therefore, kind of like downplaying the seriousness of her behavior and almost giving us like a permission structure to not think what she's doing is that fucking bad. That's what I'm saying. Like, she's like out there and no one really knows the truth of just how fucking sinister her actions are. Because I don't think most people understand the intimacy of this relationship and how much fucking power. she had in Peter's life in this period of time,

but the way she tells the story is if people did know about it and they contoned it. Caitlin posts in the clip, she made a comment, and I'm assuming what Caitlin was saying is like, oh, they had the meeting even though they knew about it, and then Julie doesn't answer.

She knows. There's no way she doesn't know this is fucking wrong. Or she's literally delusional and unsafe. Cooker. It's my understanding with the people I talk to is no one knew that there was actually something going down. But there was a casting meeting?

The fans speculated and there was a buzz online. And these producers are just looking for buzz, right? So they followed the buzz. And the buzz was that here is this producer who's out there looking for love and she was like, again, taking advantage of her access to Peter. Again, keep in mind this girl,

this chick only has access to Peter because it's her fucking job. Yeah, nine to five, maybe. And when we meet these producers, we're just like, I guess I can trust you. And it's like, again, there's it we know you can't trust like you we know they lie to us right like there's an understanding i'm going to survive this and i'm not going to nitpick the in

between for example like my my producer i'll never forget this time and i probably i never even told her this and if she listened to this episode i don't know what she'll think uh but we were doing pickups and she wanted me she was trying to get me to say something i don't remember what it was and honestly i don't think it was that serious but it felt like i was just like at this point i had been like in it so so long i'm not saying that because i just I, in my mind, I can see how you guys could use that and that's not, I'm not down with that. And we went back and forth and back and forth. And clearly, you could tell that they were like, you need to get Nick to say this. And then she started crying. Now, granted, I at the time

thought they were real tears and I felt bad. And this is the part where I don't know, like, she might be like upset that I'm saying this. I believe now that she was fake crying. I don't know. It doesn't matter. Maybe she had an exhausting day. I do know her mentor, known for fake crying. Again, it's these people's job to make up stories about their personal life and about their personal trauma

to get us to open up about our trauma. That is literally her job. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think this producer was also in a relationship at the time, a long-term one, or it had ended right before. Something about there was a long-term relationship

and now... So I guess there's another poe quote to saying something. I told more things about Peter than I had told my own boyfriend. And again, it's your fucking job. She writes it. Like, is if, like, she's pulling the whole, like, Amanda, like, you can't help who you love, card.

Yeah. Like, well, you know, for Amanda, for all the critics, at least in Amanda's world, it actually is kind of allowed to, like, explore these relationships as a reality TV star. You literally had, like, multiple classes about, like, this is the shit you better not fucking do if you're in this job. Right. Also, if you feel at any point, you're, like, developing feelings for somebody when you're in a position of power like that, that's not just a boss or whatever, you need to remove yourself from the situation. and say, hey, I want to. The only right thing to do would recuse herself if she said, I think I wonder if I have feelings for Peter. Yeah. And just be like, you know what? I think somebody else should step into this particular role. I'll go to the cast side. I'll still produce whatever. But like, I need to remove myself. It's the only appropriate thing. The fact that Chris Harrison with the forehead of the book, it, like, disgust me beyond the bond belief. This is a man who was a host of the bachelor at a time where you didn't have shows like this and you didn't have online fandom to kind of explain the behind the scenes. And this is a man who absolutely abuse. used his power as a host.

And what I mean by that is we all thought Chris Harrison was fucking God. We thought he was like in charge of casting. We thought that every decision went through Chris Harrison. And he loved that we did that. He made us believe that he, like, that's the power he had. He actually had no power whatsoever. He's just the fucking host. He knows.

And he was part of the manipulation. He played in the manipulation. He saw, he knew firsthand all the shit that went down. And for him to put on a Ford and, And advocate for this book. And if you're out there wondering, why hasn't Peter spoken up and why hasn't he said anything?

I can only guess. Protect his piece. But one, probably protecting his peace. Like many of us who get caught up in like online fucking like when a story runs. You just think like listen, like this is nuance.

I would try to explain myself. Peter probably thinks he probably did something wrong. I don't think Peter fully understands just the scope. 100% when I was talking to him, I felt like I was like opening up his eyes to like, I don't think he even. fully understood, you know. But think about it. Chris Harris, like if you're, if you're Peter, right, and this is happening and you know this book is coming out. You've asked her not to write it.

It's coming out anyways. Then you see some of your peers have this person on their show. And again, I give all my peers a pass because I think, again, it's, it's, I hope they change their tune after hearing this perspective. Chris Harrison, fuck that. He should fucking know better. This is your comeback. I'm sorry. Cook them, cry them, serve him for dinner. Chris Harrison, keep in mind, he's still adored by many people in bachelor. For many people, he's the martyred host who deserved better, right? And so he is out there saying, no, this is okay. So he's co-signing this book. So imagine if something happened to you, you're being victimized, you're being exploited, and you're wondering why no one's speaking up. And the reason why no one's speaking up, because again, contractually, they're not allowed to. The one person who decides to speak up is the former host who says, this is all okay. If I'm Peter, I would be a little terrified. You're thinking, well, if I say anything, thing, no one's going to, no one's going to believe me. Right.

You know, no one, like, you get Chris Harrison out there being like, oh, no, you're going to learn something about your life. Are you, what the fuck? It's very well. You knew, you knew how fucking dark this was. Can you imagine also, like, this is one of the situations where from Peter's perspective, I could have only imagine, like, what's reality? You know, like, whatever she's about to say, like, that was, that was, you're telling

this and how people are reading that and thinking that's reality when, like, now I don't even know what was real. On any season, after the season, I was heartbroken. And they, they, multiple times to try to get me to, like, they tried to convince me she was having second thoughts. They tried to get me to fly down to Mexico when she was, like, having a honey. And, you know, and I, you know, I was still, I was still like, I wanted to believe she was having second thoughts, right?

And it was almost going to happen. They almost convinced me, right? And they're like, well, we want you to talk to Chris. And I'm like, why do you want to talk to? You know, again, thinking, like, he's a very influential. And the reality is, is, like, Chris had nothing to do with this decision. He's not a producer. He doesn't come up with this.

it's literally not its call. He is just the host, right? But like they're telling me that I need to, you need to talk to Chris and see if Chris is okay with this, you know. So they go to Chris and they tell them, you know, what's up, what we need them to do? And I'll never forget there. I get on the phone with him and I'm like,

because again, like I didn't ask, they were like, you got to talk to Chris. And Chris is like, what's up? As if like I requested to call Chris. Now the reason they had to do this, you know, I don't know why? Storyline. Deniability. So at AFR, if they want to bring this up, then Chris can say, Nick reached out to me and asked me to see if he could see Andy.

And he knows all about this. So again, he is fully a part of the manipulation machine. And again, this is not me trying to expose. There's so much rope and so much leeway that like this world gets to make great TV. And we love talking about it and we love debating it and we love discussing it. And some people like, oh, that's a little too far there. and I don't know about that, but like there is so much lia. You don't get to seduce that person.

You don't get to exploit them at their most vulnerable position. You don't get to insert, literally insert yourself into their family and then fucking exploit it and call it a fucking rom-com. I was going to say to Susie's point, it's just giving if this were in an office setting and it was a mentor. It was an office setting. That's what I'm saying. Like if we're doing like nine to five, like this person would not only be reported to HR, but like obviously job lost all of these things.

so it's just kind of crazy. No, like, she's out there, like, she's out there telling producers about it. And all the producers are like, well, if we would have known about this, we would have, there would have been a very different conversation at the time. But she doesn't work for them anymore. And then another thing about this, because we've talked so much about, like, you know, the whole, the Taylor Frankie Paul, by the way, it seems like that season's coming back, thankfully. Keep in mind, this was all happening at a time where Hollywood in general was going through,

like, its biggest, like, awakening of, like, workplace, me too. And, like, this was happening behind the scenes. but we've all heard all the dramatic stories about like what was going on and the product like this isn't an ABC thing this is a Warner Brothers production thing right but also none of those people work there anymore right you know and so like if they do air Taylor season I can't stress enough whatever you think of Taylor Frankie Paul and whatever decisions made outside of this world in that world they have to protect their co-stars like they're the vulnerability again like these love islanders they're they

They don't know what's going on in the world today. You know what I'm saying? They are sleep deprived. They are being dripped information. And honestly, it's all okay. And that's a thing. Like, in that world, we do have to be accountable for our choices, right? Like, and there's a lot of things we say and do as reality TV stars in that world that we all talk about, right?

Like, and we all snark and things like that. It's like, for me, I'm always reminded, like, I was watching the recoupling, right? And it's like, listen, it's as hard as a fan to, like, not be critical. when you're watching it be like you dummy you dummy but like every time I watch it I feel so hypocritical

because again I just think we as fans we we just we need to have some grace here because I just don't think you realize how vulnerable these people are but that being said I do think it fair is fair to critique and make fun

because like at least we are judging their behavior we can judge them because in that there's a separation right like they're in that reality so you're Peter's interacting with other people who are also like on the off the grid emotionally and mentally like depleted and things like that that's an even playing field the producer who is literally your god who has all the information your lifeline to the world that's not an even playing field that's fucked up did they actually have an intimate relationship

because right now it seems like she's fantasizing stuff so to me it reads as like fanfic which is that's what I'm here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say. I think this book is a tell-all of her horrific actions, and I don't know exactly what's in the book, but there are only degrees of worse. Either she, you know, I think there's more to it, and I don't know how much she tells on herself,

but I think it's only degrees of bad. You want a little conspiracy theory, and then we have to move on? Because I was like, yo, like, what is going on? How is this being allowed to happen? But again, keep in mind, most of these, most of these like tell-alls when like a tell-all is written,

the reason why the people are allowed to tell it, because again, like, as public figures, we give up the right to, like, have our stories be private, right? So as long as they're not lying, you can write this shit. But my point is, this isn't a lie. It's probably

all true, and this is not about like a juicy story about two things that happened between TV stars. This is about a person telling about them on themselves, of how they manipulated and coerce someone into doing things at a time where they were most susceptible. Not to mention, like, I don't, you know,

listen, Hannah Ann, Maddie Pruitt, they seem like they're out there living their best life. But like, if this got found out at the time when it went down, this could have destroyed Peter. Do you imagine what? Like, fans have crucified people for far, far less. They would have viscerated this man. Not to mention, like, all these women

who had this, in the fantasy sweet element of the show, you make a huge sacrifice. Again, you allow yourself to be convinced that it is okay to potentially spend the night and even sleep with a man who's also doing that with other women and you're just like, you know what,

in this world, that's okay. But they didn't know that he was being coerced by like his producer and potentially also, they didn't know that they were competing with her. That's I said she was the hidden contestant, which is the craziest thing to me. That should be the name of the book.

Peter's season was not great. Like I feel like people were pissed about like the ending of that now it's like knowing that she's in the background no wonder he was giving you no clarity there's no way that she didn't play a huge role so even from a producer even from just her doing her job standpoint right regardless take out the take out the ickiness of it and obviously like the emotional manipulation of it you are doing your job poorly because you're contaminating your own experiment you're taking out every sort of like you're also just being a bad producer like that's stupid like why are you doing that

You're ruining the show you're making. Listening to the clips of her on kid. I mean, she just sounds honestly off her fucking rocker. And she sounds like she's drinking her own Kool-Aid. And she's living in this fantasy world of like... DeLulu. And like... You know, you know what?

This kind of... You know, like, when you go back and watch, like, rom-coms from like the 90s and... Like the notebook, you know, people are just like, yeah, it's a really great movie and I love it. But like, man, I don't know. Like, that happened in the real world. Like, that might be like... Oh, yeah. A little fucked up.

Yeah. He's holding the cards up. And this is what this is. but in real time where someone's like trying to create a rom-com about something that happened that like if it wasn't real

like maybe you could pitch it as like kind of romantic but like in this place it's at a minimum of workplace violation. Anyways so the book was published by an independent publisher out of Dallas. Is that supposed to mean something?

Chris Harrison lives in Dallas. I don't know. Maybe that's a coincidence. Now it is it is it is like it's pretty common. I wrote a book and some wonderful people were kind enough for free to just write me a little like a little blur. So I assume Chris Harrison has not monetized this experience because I just can't believe that Chris Harrison would write that and put his name on it for free.

And if he monetized that shit, then fuck, man. I assume he's not. But if he is, now it is distributed, because I look this up for Mr. Peter Weber, I really feel for me, justice for Peter. I'm really glad that you're bringing, like, this kind of attention to it. I will say, I think that people don't, it's, I don't know if they're going to care, honestly. I don't know either, but I don't think they care about her. But I think you're doing the right thing. And I know, like, that's kind of cheesy, but I do think it's really fucked up what's happening to him. I don't think I're going to care. I don't know if they're going to be desensitized because Peter's a man. That's the thing. Peter, Peter. Peter, they casted Peter because he's a lover boy.

And then again, they exploited that lover boy personality, which is all fine. And they made a great season. And he is a lover boy. But again, you don't get to take advantage of that personality and that type of person to your own benefit. That's what made him a great bachelor. He just was kind of always confused about how he felt. He emoted and he clearly was the perfect basher because he was capable of having multiple feelings for multiple people. Yeah.

And this person exploited that for her own. benefit and then and then and then Peter asked her not to do it and she did it anyways. Which means it's not love. And no one who really knows how wrong it is is legally allowed to speak on it. I was going to say also I think people

might downplay how serious it is because they are too like consenting adults and I to an extent I understand it's kind of like we discuss a lot of relationships here and it's like well it's two consenting adults but I really really think that in the same way that workplace dynamics and like

power dynamics play a part and what is like ethically right and wrong. I genuinely can say from being on the side of it as a contestant and being truly, I don't think people understand the lifeline that producers are to you and how, I don't want to say like tormenting or like traumatic it can be because I, again, everything's been net positive for me. I'm so grateful for my life. But like it is truly such a wild experience to have somebody have that much control and an ability to.

to manipulate and the power dynamic. It is, I don't think anybody understands and I don't even really talk about it because I'm like, I don't need anyone to feel bad for me. But it is very, like, when I hear this, I'm like, that is actually so fucked up that somebody would do that to a contestant or a lead. What trauma bonding is.

These producers do bring trauma into our life. And then a lot of conversations, we have a producer is that bond over like, yeah, you did that shit to me. And we survived it together. And I made through it on the other side and yada, yada, yada. That's what's wild is that you guys can like talk about it after

Because you have to process You have to deal with it Like Ari you know like again I don't know I haven't sat down and talk with Ari about this But again I imagine Ari is this more focused on the fact that like he married the love of his life And has a beautiful family and it's all figured it out I don't think it does Ari any good To like go back and find out all the different ways he was manipulated and lied to

Because it's just best to move on And that and most of us can do that because we don't have a producer fucking writing this shit down and telling my story or their story from their lens and selling it is something that like instead of it being the truth, which is like this horrific actions, is some sort of rom-com that like society is eating up is fucking tea. And then the host calling it fucking tea. Yeah. It's a good time.

Yeah. The ability to be able to move forward. I have so many peers and friends and people that I've met through The Bachelor who can't move forward. And like every time I'm with them, it's like rehashing how traumatic or how horrible it was. And like I remember like I introduced a couple of batch of people that weren't from my season to a girlfriend. She turned her back to them. Like we were at a bar and she goes, oh my God, they are so fucked up.

How are you so normal? And I was like I don't really know. Like some people are, I mean, I feel like what I went through comparatively. Like on one hand it's really great. And since it's like, oh, that was really fucked up. But then some people who maybe didn't even get as far. It's like it can be so heavy. and it can affect you for years.

And not to diminish your experience because obviously you had a very intense one. But also very positive. Very positive. But the leads, again, you get criticized for everything. Yeah. You are responsible for all the women and all the men and anything that happens, you are the lead.

And like it's just, it's never ending. And like the emotional and mental stress that, like you don't sleep, you don't eat. You're working 18 hours a day, seven days a week. And again, you have just, You're just, you're so exhausted that, again, you go to this person, your lead producer, and you put unconditional trust. Like, even when you don't trust all the other producers, you tell yourself, I can trust

this person, even though deep down you don't know if that's entirely true. But it's the best you got. Yeah. Anyways, the book, I found, it turns out the book doesn't come out until July 7th. And I hope. Don't read it. I know. I hope if you're, so Simon Schuster turns out, they are the distributor, one of the biggest

publishing companies. And if I'm the distributor, I would pull this fucking book off the shelves because you literally just like, I don't know, although OJ wrote a book and... If I did it. What is her path forward is my question? Like, what do you know? I mean, honestly, delusion? Fuck, I don't know. She clearly never going to work as a producer in this I wouldn't think so, yeah. Right. I think this was her big, like, uh, trying to have her be her moment. She probably wants that book to get optioned by someone. They make a movie. She gets money for the rights and then she becomes famous. It's like a fan fix situation. I don't know. I don't know what the people are going to say about all this,

but I don't know if they've been so desensitized and just want the tea. But if this was any other situation, this would be the biggest scandal in reality. I think it's funny to downplay men's experiences until it comes to shit like this. You know what I mean? I'm like, it's funny to like he-he, like, oh, like when we talk about like Love Island or whatever and I'm like, I'm okay to shit on men for a little bit.

But I'm like, but when it comes to reality, not always. I'm pretty fair. But yeah, I'm like, yeah. Give me a hard time. But when it's like really something serious like this, I'm like, okay, no, we've gone too far. Like this is a human being with real feelings who can, who was truly exploited and taken advantage. Intimacy. And clearly, I'm no doubt.

I'm sure his mental health has been drastically affected the past couple of months by finding out about this book and asking her not to write it. And then she writes in anyways, he's now got to stay offline, I assuming. And listen, we understand his real, his public figures like you have the internet talks and you deal with it. But like, he shouldn't have had to deal with this. And again, you know, again, I'm no lawyer. what do I know? I would think it would be pretty easy to argue that Peter was like his half is his career.

I know he's a pilot is to go on to be online. And now from a mental health standpoint, how can he be online when this like very traumatic experience is being exploited? Now he's being asked, can you comment on this? Can you comment on this? And his reputation and like not to say that he's done anything wrong, but at the end of the day like, I mean, I care about being brand safe to an extent.

And it's like this is something that is exploiting intimacy and sexuality. and it's like he's moved on from that point of his career. He's not The Bachelor anymore. He is a pilot who has to face people that come onto his plane. And you're talking about his sex life. Justice for Peter Weber. Yeah. We have your back.

Well, we have Sean from Love Island. He is up next. He was the first to leave the island. And he is with us to talk about obviously not only his experience, but he has been watching. He's got a lot to say and some really interesting insights. I really enjoyed our conversation with Sean. He is up next.

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Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here. We're super excited to have you. How has been the decompression of Love Island? Obviously, we're smack dab in the middle of this season, really picking up. Are you still following the season? and watching it as it goes? Yeah, so I'm mainly, I'm going to be honest with you, when I throw on the episodes,

I'll be flipping through my book and I kind of glance back and forth. Yeah, yeah. And then when things get like, when a conversation kind of catches my attention, I'll put the book down and watch it for a little bit and go back and forth. But I have been keeping up. And then as of more recently, I think I put my book down the entire recoupling. Yeah. So I was like, you know what?

I was like, let's listen in on this. So how have you processed? like being eliminated. I mean, I feel like, I feel like as the season goes along, a lot of fans are missing you more and more. Obviously, we didn't get like a chance to really get to know you like some of the other islanders because of your exit. But like, is that something you've, have you accepted the dumping or is, or does the fomo increase as the season moves along? Oh, man. So there's a lot of times where I don't get the fomo. I have the, it kind of sucks when you get into it and it's the I had a couple. I got, I was an OG so I got lucky, got a guaranteed couple,

and then I lose her within 24 hours. And then the rest of the time I don't get a couple. So all my buddies and my family give that part to me the worst. But then I did feel, I did enjoy like it was nice coming out, feeling like it went bad. And then a lot of people were showing love and like appreciation and stuff. So that made it a lot easier. The FOMO comes though when you see like make the staff. No, my God. No way. I was like, no way.

I was going to ask. That one was hard to see. Yeah. That is definitely a bummer. I definitely miss like, you know, all the like conversations we would have in the good times because not everything makes it on camera. So it's like those relationships and everything that were cut short sucks. But at the same time, like when I go back home, it's to my son and I'm enjoying every

second of it. So it's like bittersweet, but I do get that fomo every now and then on episode. That's amazing. That's amazing. Sean, can I ask you? How old are you again? I forget. 29. 29. So you were on the kind of older side of the casting. I think a lot of fans were watching this. And I don't know, I can't speak for everyone, but it makes me, as the season goes along,

I'm a little more sad about your exit because it does, I don't know about you. When you're watching it, do you feel like you could have brought a little maturity to the villa that maybe we're not seeing, you know, in terms of like, you know, one thing I wish I would see more is like some of the guys hold each other accountable a little bit more for how they're moving. You're obviously a father, you got a son, he's going to date someday. I'm curious. Like, sincere seems like a really charming, fun guy. I would love to be friends with him. But at the same time, it's more like, bro, like when he's just like, he's like, I'm not manipulative, but I just don't tell the full truth and I'm like, you know, I'm the type of friend who's like, who shoots my friend straight.

Like, you know, you can give them tough love. Do you think if you were still in the villa, how would you maybe approach Casey and sincere? Because obviously these, these, these, it's very challenging. It's very confusing. But like, how would you, what advice would you give these men and how to move throughout the villa, especially when they were in Casa? That is a great question. I think to start, I'm being 29 and a father at the same time, I feel I'm at a different stage in life than most people on that show. And that being said,

I agree with you to where there's conversations to be had where it's like, hey, I'm going to pull you to the side. Maybe not in front of everyone. When I personally have friendships, I'm like, hey, we'll deal with what we have to deal with in public and we'll mitigate the damage. But then in private, it's kind of like, hey, man, let's have this conversation.

What's going on in your head? Because what you have to understand is the show, not unintentionally, it induces stress. For sure. Also intentionally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a lot of times people under stress, they make decisions and it's hard for them to process what's going on. Yeah.

So it's not like, you know, sincere may say something. And then the audience from the outside looking in, looking at it is like, oh, why would you ever do that? But they don't understand like the stresses that come with being on the show. And then honestly, when I was younger, you know, I had my realm of issues that I was going through. and then it's something that you see, and then you can identify and you can fix those things. So maybe when he sits back and finally takes himself out of it, and then he can see, he might be like,

oh, I want to adjust this, I want to adjust that. And then if I could give them advice to sincere, I would be like, tell the part that you think is going to hurt people the most because that's the honesty that they deserve in it. There you go. Yeah. And I feel like you said, he's an awesome dude. He was my best friend when I was in there. And I know his intentions aren't exactly what's being.

portrayed so as sincere i'd be like hey man you have to in these tough conversations you're going to have to hurt someone's feelings and let them make the decision on how they want to you know move on with you afterwards whether Melanie wants to stay with you or she wants to go that's her decision to make but she deserves the truth in that for sure and and with kC it's it's interesting because i i'm not a person that's going to watch the show and make judgments because i know what it feels like to be on there so for k case casey and sincere both right it's conversations will be had after the show. And I'm like, hey, how you feeling?

Blah, blah, blah. And then one day we can talk about like, yo, what was going on here? Like, what was kind of going through your head? Outside looking in, it just seems like from what he said and what he's kind of like portrayed is that he feels like he's being attacked from all angles. And I mean, it's real difficult to when someone feels like their backs against the wall and like people are constantly like picking out and picking out and picking on them.

They're like, it's understandable why someone would bite back. But it's hard to have an opinion on it because I have. haven't seen the full 24 hours. I'm just watching one hour clips. Yeah, for sure. I mean, that's, I mean, you make a lot of good points, obviously, and we talk about this a lot on the show as someone who, like, knows this world pretty well. Like, you know, I don't think obviously fans know the full context. Obviously, every islander is moving with different information. They don't, you know, the conversations they're having with production, obviously influences their decision and things like that. So, yeah, I definitely think it's important we give everyone

just a little bit of grace. Why do you feel like, K. Casey continues to make such a big deal about the fact that he wasn't picked like the first day, you know, where no one really knew each other. Do you feel like that's just like a defense mechanism on his part? Or do you think there's something really there that we're not considering? That's tough. The problem is, is, so I've only was in the villa for a week. And in that week, when I would speak to Casey, like, he's a solid dude. Like, I love that guy.

You know what I mean? So then to see it come out. It's just, if someone wasn't behind my door on the first day, it would be a big hit to my confidence in a way. At that same time, once I was able to process and be like, hey, nobody really, like, knows me. You know what I mean? And I think it just, I think because he hasn't had the opportunity to step outside the villa, it's like, it just seems so much bigger than it really was. Because Casey's an attractive dude. Like, he has people making edits of him all over the place, but he can't see that.

So when it's like you bring the doors, you bring the like dramatics, the cameras, you're on TV, everyone's watching, and then you open a door and no one's there, it's like, oh shit, like you kind of begin to like panic a little bit. I think in his case, I don't know if it's something deeper or not, but when he had brought it up at the recoupling, I was like, you could see the hurt in it. That was like, it's still unresolved. And I just don't know if that's something that can really be resolved until you're pulled out of it and you get the chance to like sit down and process. Because when I opened the door that when Baye wasn't there, I was like, oh shit, like this sucks. And then once me and Bayer had that conversation, it was like, you know, I've only was with her for what, well, 24 hours. So I just kind of, my ability to kind of like process and walk through things and my threshold of stress is just a little bit. different and personal to me. So I think in his that it's just, it's hard. Because feelings are

feelings, right? So if like if it's big to you, man, like it's big to you and let's walk through it and unpack it. But I don't know if he has the tools to unpack it in the way that he wants to, if that makes sense. Because even Trinity's response, although it came off, you know, like it was in the middle of everything going on. She was like, we just didn't know you. Like it wasn't a personal like, hey, we don't like Casey or Casey's not attractive. It was just we all met, we all made out, and then it was like pick. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally.

Yeah. I think I'm just really been fascinated by that relationship because I think that's where fans seem to be most divided, right? Like on one end, you have like Anaya fans who are obviously very protective of her and feel like she was kind of let on. You have a lot of Casey fans who are just more like, listen, like, this is an imperfect world and like, you know, kind of referencing it's just like, no one really knows anyone. I listen, I watch it and I think like KC has a much better match with Titi.

Their energy seems to make a lot of sense where like with Anaya and Casey it seemed like she really liked him. And I think he really liked her and kind of respected her at first. But I felt like the more that I saw that interact, it was like, I just, I'm not, it doesn't make sense to me. I think where I struggle the most where I've been more like empathetic to Anaya, where it's just like and sometimes I'm like, you know, we'll be critical. of young men. It's just like, I think us guys as dating, sometimes we'll have a habit of saying the thing that we know will really land

in a meaningful way with the ladies, you know, so to speak. You know, when Casey had that conversation with Anaya early on, that really made her feel seen. Like, I think, you know, it's just like, I feel like Casey is a really, you know, smart and empathetic guy. And it's just like, I think that stuck with her.

And it felt like Casey kind of acted like that wasn't a big deal and it kind of felt like and I'm curious to your opinion like when Casey went in Casa Amor it seemed like he was really looking for like he wanted to explore but kind of made Anaya feel like

he was committed to this relationship but like open to explore or like Anaya was more like listen if I have to explore I will I guess this is the point of the show but what I really want to do is just be in a relationship with you Casey and then you saw him go Casa Moore and and just really embrace Casa more and I and I felt like if

he would have just gone to Anaya and said listen I I need to explore this shit. I really like I need to give you a heads up that I'm really going to lean in to Casa more I felt that would I felt like that would have given Anaya like permission to like really just see if there's something there with Carl. I'm curious what you think about all that Sean. Oh man that is another great question and like you said, it is a very popular relationship and I see it, the internet's just like split on both sides of it. The hard part is

I remember a conversation where he opened up to her about wanting to explore Seoul. I think this was when Soul was already gone. Yeah. And I don't know if it was the cuts or the edits, but I know at one point Anaya said, do what you want, got up and walked away. So I don't know if there was

a time where he was going to open up and say that, but based on all the conversations that are available, that were available to us. It did look like, you know, him and Anaya were kind of on the same page about, hey, like, I want to explore, but like, you're my number

one. And then he had said something like I was going to explore soul, but I was afraid how she would react or something along those lines. And I don't know if that was broken down into being like, what do you mean by afraid? Were you afraid, like, I'm going to lose Anaya or were you like, I just didn't want to hurt her

feelings, but I want to explore another couple. And And if that conversation wasn't had, it is something to where it makes sense of what happened when they came back to the villa. Because when you have the high emotions of it, people can say, oh, it's only been two weeks. But like, if you're in this environment, you're, for lack of a better phrase, you're trauma bonding with these people. So you're getting close very fast.

And then when the emotions are heightened, it felt to me outside looking in, everyone was arguing different points. The villa girls were like, KC, I don't appreciate how you went about, exploring. And KC's response and his argument was what the experience is and you're supposed to explore in the villa. And it was like people were kind of too hot in the moment to understand what the other person was even saying in the first place. And then like, you know, T.T and Trinity, it's like, then it becomes a conversation of like, hey, don't interrupt me. I don't like I were talking to me. So now you had a third component. So it's like, we're upset with how you're doing it.

You're explaining us what the experience is, which we know and we're not mad about. that versus how you're talking to me. And then it just becomes kind of this like chaotic sequence to where it's just so hard to call for me. Like looking at it, looking at it without just making any judgments, it seems like there's a lot of hurt on Anaya's side, but then there's also the hurt on KC's side. And they both want their hurt to be validated. They just aren't communicating it in a healthy way.

So it's like, I don't know if KC was ready to tell. and Naya, you know, at the time of the talk where she walked away, like, hey, I'm going to explore, like, blah, blah, blah. And maybe that just cut it off. And he was like, you know, whatever. But it's just so hard. Because you see the, because you know, like, you'll have a one hour conversation. And then you watch it back on TV and it's a 15 second clip.

And you're just like, yeah, yeah, like, there was more of that. I mean, people were shocked when I said that I had feelings for Anaya. They were like, then why didn't you pull her for chats? And I was like, well, I pulled her for chats every single day. She just didn't make it on. So that's why outside looking in, I think what was portrayed, it seemed like when Casey and I have their conversation, he needs to explain why he went about the experience the way he did.

And then for Anaya, I don't think she needs the understanding of what the experience is. She understands that and the exploring of it. She's more upset on, hey, what you said to me, what you told me, I'm thinking we're long term. you know what I mean? And then it's hard when she talks about Carl and it's like I think Carl checked a lot of boxes

that she was looking for. Yeah. And, you know, she made the decision with her heart and what she thought was best and she really liked Casey. It's unfortunate, but I've seen he came back so hopefully that works out. I have two more questions.

Okay. You mentioned sincere was your boy, right? Yeah. And he seems like a nice guy. But I'm curious. I want to ask, if Melanie came to you. Like say Melanie, you know, Melanie's sincere, they're dating, whatever, you become friends with both of them. How Melanie was this like, I don't like how people use apologies for Band-Ais.

I thought was like an amazing line, which is like, that's kind of what sincere seems like we're doing a little bit. Despite sincere being your boy, what advice or what would you tell Melanie just based off of, if we took what we're seeing at face value, like in the dating world, right? Like outside of Love Island. Okay. What would, what advice would you give Melanie if she was like, like, hey, do you think I should keep investing in this guy based on everything that's happened, or do you think I should move on? Ooh, that's a good question. I would say for Melanie, find out what you want long term.

Not how you feel now, not the butterflies and the honeymoon phase. What do you want, like, if you want marriage, what do you want your husband to look like and what are your expectations on that part? And then does he meet these expectations for one? or is he making changes in his behavior to lead to what you're inevitably looking for? Because if not, I think you should rip the Band-Aid off at that point and find what you're looking for. Great answer. I just think, yeah, just to have that standard because a lot of people are like, oh, how does this person make me feel on a day-to-day basis?

And they get trapped in like a circle and a cycle of, you know, just whatever that person is portraying at that time. But if you have a filter of standards to run through to be like, hey, I want, you know, the husband that if we have an issue and we talk about that issue and we come with a plan afterwards rather than like, hey, are we good? It's like, no, what's the plan for it? And then either they act on the plan or they don't, you kind of have your answer there and your decision there. So that makes a lot of sense. I mean, I'm rooting for them. Yeah, I'm rooting for them.

And to be like so honest, I answer that question as like, I'm friends with Melanie. Because if I was friends with both outside the villa, like, I'm way closer to sincere. I would honestly just like take myself out of it and be like, yeah. It makes sense. And I appreciate you giving us this honest answer, knowing that, like, it's clear you have a lot of empathy for your peers. And, like, I get it, man. Like, no, I understand how, like, I think sometimes I wish fans would just chill out a little bit because, like, they're criticizing people who, like, are not in the real world. Yeah.

Yeah. It's crazy. There was a lot of discourse online about you being, obviously, a police officer and you leaving to go on Love Island. Where do things stand now with your career in law enforcement? Is that something you still plan on pursuing or not? So hopefully, well, to answer that, I didn't resign from my department. They cleared for my time off. And then they were like, we're not going to clear for your unpaid leave.

And they voluntarily resigned me instead of firing me. So that didn't happen. But neighboring agencies have all reached out. And they're like, hey, if you want to come work for us, like, we'll 100% take you and you can work for us. That's great. I think where I'm at now in life, hopefully, like, you know, if things go well with social media, I can make enough money to go back to school. I would like to go to nursing school

and then switch into a different first responder profession and go that route because, I mean, I gave a lot to policing and there was a lot of, you know, like personal decisions that came with it and making this decision to like go to Love Island, right? So I'm, I think that chapter is pretty much closed, but of course, like obviously if things don't work out, right? And I need a career. I could see myself applying to another agency. It's a tough get. My brother's a cop, man. It's tough. You guys really sacrifice a lot to do what you do.

So I appreciate you. No, thank you. Yeah. It's definitely, it's a very, I see, I understand people's criticisms when it comes to law enforcement. I'm well aware of the history of it. And so I don't, I don't take any, you know, anything personal to it when people don't like it. I'm like, hey, it is what it is. The people that I've answered call for is can speak for themselves on how it was dealing with me.

Sean, appreciate it taking the time, man. You know, this has been a great. conversation. It makes me more sad that you left because you clearly, obviously, you know, you being 29 in law enforcement, clearly you have some emotional maturity. I think it would have been appreciated in the villa. Yeah. So I was sad to see you go, man. But it was great getting to know you a little bit. Best of luck with everything along the way. And I really appreciate your time, man. Of course. Thanks for having me. You guys have a good day. All right. Take care. Thank you. The first thing that I am doing when I evacuate these.

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Join build.com slash v-I-A-L-J-O-I-N-B-I-L-T dot com slash V-I-A-L. Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you. I was going to say about Chris Harrison, as Kada said, wrong way to enter the villa bitch, wrong way to come back to society bitch. Wrong way to enter the villa bitch. Like, I'm sorry, this is how you come back? I literally, again, I don't know. I assume he did that shit for free, but it makes no sense to me that he would write that shit. And he had to have read the book, right?

Because the way that he's talking about it. That's part where I'm like, maybe he did it, but that's crazy. I don't think everyone who puts their name on it reads the book. And he's... Rude Awakening. Either way. Like, either... There's a book he should have read.

Yeah, this is what you're co-signing. But he knows that she was a producer. And the fact that, again, like, before I knew what actually happened, I just thought it was icky that she was exploiting him, period. And I thought it was just, like, exploiting him for clout being like, I was, you know, like, I have pictures of Peter. You know, like, I thought that was icky. It's still icky.

should know that there's no version that's not... As I said, in my head when we were talking about it, I'm just like I think if I were the writer, if I picked this up, I would do it in a way like the affair where I would have her perspective where she's the hero, she's leading him, but like also

so conflicted with her own feelings. But that's like her own psyche, where then we'd have his perspective where he's just this lost little like trying to figure out the guy... And then realize that she's the monster that she is. Thank you. That would be such a good flip. Thank you. Copywritten.

That's the problem. Someone's going to pick it up. Don't give her any money. If Peter gets fucking paid great. I mean, I don't like I. Hey Peter, call me. I've got an idea to shop. Peter and full. Justice for Peter.

He deserves a ton of empathy. This is not okay. Anyways, man, lots going on and in the villa. Sean was really cool. Sean was really cool. He seemed like I really, we could have used some 29 year old energy. He really, I mean, this is a compliment. He seemed very.

very 29 and it was like a nice I felt like I could breathe. Like he didn't, like he doesn't seem 22? How tall as they do we think? Sean Love Island. It's tall enough, Sus. Asking for a friend.

And with a fully formed frontal lobe as well. Yeah. Woo! The bars in hell, my friends. First of all, I just like, you know, coming off our producer conversation, I just thought it was fun TV.

Yeah. I agree with Sierra Miller, who like caught some fucking heat I don't know what she said on I don't know fans you guys got to chill you really and I know I'm probably not saying this the right people because I know everyone listens to the show is awesome level headed

amazing and you guys get it but I mean listen like it's it's Taffy and Sierra's job to just you know talk about it play both sides be the unbiased person and like fans this guys before you write your essay on how Love Island is the definition of society which listen we love unpacking

like it's also just a goddamn TV show. And we don't know the conversations that like, we don't know the conversations that sincere is having or that Melanie's having or that Trinity is having. They're all playing with a different deck of cards. And so like, let's just like, you know, kind of. And Sean kind of referenced that alone.

He clearly was very careful because he has, I think he has just in the week that he was in that villa learned a lot about just like, again, this is, this world. This is a, it's heightened reality for our entertainment. And it was very, very entertaining. It was awesome. It was really great. Corbin was just like, what did

you say? Like, oh my God. It's going to get fiery in here. Yeah. And I'm sure they're all amped up. You know, you got Casey, no doubt, being told, you deserve this. You deserve this. He even said, this isn't about Anaya. This is about me, basically.

He was like, I made this decision for me. Anaya ate down, though. She did. Someone said. I'm just saying, I don't think Casey came up with that thought on his own. I don't know. But someone said that it We don't, I think the thing is, like, we don't know if Casey came up with that thought on his own. Right.

And we'll never know. Maybe, you know, but just they're, he guarantee you, they all had conversations with producers about their feelings and they definitely got some guidance. And you're right. In that world, at the end of the day, Casey is an adult man. He is in charge of what he says. And, you know, we can critique and judge him in that world because it doesn't mean he has. All I'm saying is you can't discount the fact. that in a world where like they really don't know what's going on they are getting a lot of guidance

and I just think we should just like acknowledge that like to the point where like maybe like the reason like I just think you can't judge a person for how like completely you might get a clue you might get an idea do you guys think I'm curious your thoughts specifically y'all who have been on reality TV right how how much do you like do you think that when you are when you're making these decisions it's like do you think fans are having a harder time understanding that it's tv now than they did when you guys or at least bachelor nation obviously is different than love island fans but do you find that reality tv fans now have an have understanding that things are more real than they actually are than they actually are they used to or I think if I understand your question I think it's a little bit of both I think

again and when I was my first time on the show Instagram stories didn't exist you had Twitter you know like TikTok didn't exist so there you know like there just wasn't as much noise I do think fans back then were a little bit more ignorant than they are now to like how these shows work and it was more like WWE where you're like is it real and you're like a lot of fans there were some fans back then like thought that shit was live you know what I'm saying. But on the flip side now, you do have all these platforms. Everyone is online.

Everyone is like, you know, sharing their like very intense opinion. But now you have like backseat producers instead of like a backseat quarterback. Yeah. Or like a couch quarterback. That's what I'm saying. You have so many more opinions and it's online opinions. So I think more people in life today are more rational about reality TV. But online, it doesn't feel that way because it's online.

And back then, you didn't have the same type of. intensity of online discourse that you have now. Yeah. And then Sierra, what do you, how do you feel like you've been watching Love Island, obviously, for, like, you've been watching all of the different. You're kind of the Love Island release. Oh, gee. Oh, gee.

You've been watching, you're watching UK. Like, are people watching the show differently now? Do you think, as it's gotten to this point? See, I don't know. The thing that I like about Love Island more so than a show that's obviously been filmed months in advance and then airing. after the fact is that I'm like you kind of feel like you're keeping up with things in real time. So I also kind of think that the parissocial relationship is a lot more intense than it is

like a bachelor where it's like, okay, I understand that this is happening over eight weeks, but it was also filmed however many months ago, and especially of heaven forbid leaks or whatever happens. But where Love Island, I do feel like you feel like you're in it with them. So it's like, even then, like I felt like an idiot. I defended Casey because I was just like, okay, like I know what it's like to be in a situation where I'm trying to make up with somebody and they're making it so fucking difficult that and it's like you're not getting your point across to then be able to see a couple days later him be like well I got to do this for me and she's a grandma and all this stuff and I was like you know what I mean like I was rooting for you so you feel really in it so I understand

why the fans are so passionate about it but it's also kind of again to your point it is a TV show for our entertainment these people don't know what time day and they don't know what you think of them So screaming to the ether on their profile pages that they cannot check isn't solving or doing anything besides just causing more drama and making it harder for us to be able to have a show that's entertaining. And also it kind of makes me feel like it makes the producers feel like they have to raise the stakes because I'm like the thing with UK is that UK has been consistently, it's mellow in comparison. I would say USA is the feral cousin of Love Island UK because you don't see this much making out. Like people are arguing about a kiss behind someone's back versus like, hey. there was an orgy on two episodes ago. So, you know, it's like, it's very interesting heightened stakes that I'm like, if we keep giving that to them, then the producers, I feel like they have to do more. How did we feel about Melanie choosing sincere and then laying into him?

Awesome. I hear for it. I'm like, I would, like, I felt, I felt kind of annoyed, if I'm being honest. I mean, I think we, I think I saw it coming, but I just think. that's going to be them. Like I think some relationships, some people are just going to keep having a cycle where they turn over like that. And then I don't there's no way into they end up together. I don't know. Maybe they don't think they survive out of the villa because again, I have to assume again, both Sinicin Serre and Melanie are making choices with information that we like they don't have what we know kind of thing. Also like Melanie has demonstrated way too many examples like, that when she was talking to Anaya Like what an amazing friend Yeah

Absolutely gassing her up I want to see Mel like And that's the thing It's such like a perfect Encapulation of like We can't take her own advice Right obviously because like Melanie is not as emotionally invested in her relate

Anaya's relationship with Casey As she's invested in Sincere's right Like you wish you could give that same advice to yourself Yeah yeah That you would give to a friend But Melanie has clearly demonstrated She's aware That she is aware

and she knows what it looks like to be valued and appreciated. And I think outside of this very controlled environment where like she has hope in her heart and she just like, I think she's too emotionally like with it to like come out see like when movie night, oh my God.

I can't wait. She sees. No, I think she's going to stay. I think she's going to stay. Depending on what she sees. Maybe not. I think she's going to stay regardless. But I mean, based on what.

I'm seeing so far. I don't see her walking away from sincere. I just don't see it happening. I think they could last through the end. And I think that sincere is going to be the one to call things off in the real world before Melanie would. I hope not. I hope not too.

But that's what I'm seeing so far. And that's what I, that's, I love. And then she had another great line where she's like, I hate it when people use apologies for band-a-olde. Yes, exactly.

That summed up Wes Wilson to a T. Yes. Like that, you know, that, Like, why is he keep saying I'm sorry? And why do I still want to punch him in the face? You know, where it's just like because it doesn't seem like they actually care or give a shit.

And that has been sincere. Sincere is West Wilson. When you stab someone in the stomach and then put a band-aid on it, it's not going to do much. And then sincere is just like, well, I don't know why other people are calling me manipulative. I'm like, yeah, I don't tell the whole truth. I don't tell the whole truth. Like, I guess that's what they're doing. That's the thing is I'm like, he's aware of what he's doing.

She's sitting there experiencing it. And then she's like so frustrated at him. And then you see her and she's just like. Yeah. And then she's like, I can't stay mad at him. And I'm like, you have to though. You have to run away from this man. I know.

I kind of feel like Melanie choosing sincere was insecurity personified. You know what I mean? Is it like you chose him because it's like you want to be chosen. He came back alone. You came back alone. And now it gives the allowance to be like, okay, now I need to go off on you or whatever because that's the insecurity. I mean, I do think she just really likes him.

I think so too. She just thinks he's charming, a good looking, and she sees all the good things. Everyone likes him in the villa. Right, but I just have a feeling that like if he would have come back with someone, it would have been hell on earth in that villa popped off. So that's what I'm saying is that I'm like the insecurity of I'm going to go into this solo, even though I can't trust him. I've had every dude in this fucking villa tell me sincere has not been sincere behind my back.

And then for her to still choose him to be like, oh, but he did choose me. So now I feel validated. So now here I'm going to unleash where I'm like, I don't know what the alternative would have been. But I'm just like, to me, it just felt like insecurity personified. I hope that once movie night happens, I'm glad that they stayed for TV purposes. Here's what I hope happens. I hope that they stay together until movie night and then movie night happens. Melanie sees everything.

And we get a beautiful, beautiful dramatic moment of Melanie going absolutely. Absolutely scorched earth on sincere because the thing is like- She's got to walk away then she has to walk away because that's the storyline. I have a feeling she's going to get sad, start crying, and I think we're going to have like Amaya build her up and then she's going to pop off on secure and be like we are done. Yeah, insecure and be like we are done. And everyone's and that's like, and then she's going to be a frontrunner for like winning Love Island. Other than Trinity and Bryce, is there a couple you guys are actually rooting for?

Trinity and Bryce all the way. Trinity and Bryce all the way. I'm rooting. I'm rooting for Anaya. I think Anaya's going to win. I don't care who she's. That's true. She can pick up anybody. I'm sorry.

I agree. I saw this happen last season with Amaya and Brian where I'm just like, but like that's like, again, the point in the fun of Love Island is to watch a relationship. I know. I don't know. I think I was too smart to be doing things this on. I'm just, I think she got her heart broken. What I'm trying to say though is that Shonda rhymes written scene of her being like, I chose you when did it. I did this.

I chose you when I did that. You didn't pick me. I think that single-handedly won her the season And she deserves it I'm sorry, like I don't care who she's with She can be by herself I'm voting But I want her and Carl

Or Trinity or Keda I'm so happy that he popped out of that box But it's such a But it's the classic Nice Guys finished last It's like you got you all don't You all say you want a respectful king And then respectful king show up

And you're just like Give me the guy And he was gorgeous I mean he's back So he is gorgeous But I was just like You know what I mean And he's sweet

respectful, thoughtful and smart Amaya. Wait, can we talk about Trinity for a second too? Yes. Homegirl ate down two. She did. T.T. Girl, you do not enter the villa that way.

I guarantee those apologies were producer-driven too. I don't. You think so? But I did appreciate them, whether they were producing or not. I'm not even taking it away from the people who did it. It was good producing. I'm just pointing out that these people are being guided. No doubt they saw the fan interactions.

If things got a little intense, They were like, hey, yo. You want to take care of this? I think he was guided into calling Trinity a little girl. A Jerusalem, yeah. And that part, Mary's part. You think Trinity was guided? By a producer to.

You think T.T. was guided into calling Trinity a little girl? He's saying the post. Again, there's a spectrum. I guarantee before they walked in, it's a lot of like, you know, as a host of it, you know, I don't do what Chris Harrison did who was like, you know, in the bathroom before AFR said, you better give me a good TV. Which sounds like. and to a man at the time I thought

I had a tense of power, but if someone asked me, I tell people like, hey, listen, your most vulnerable moment is your best moment. Like, don't be afraid to just speak your truth. Whatever your truth is. That is good advice. And even if it's just that, they're just being reminded that,

like, don't be afraid to have your girls back. You know what I'm saying? It's shit like that. I don't think she was told what to say. Titi had her own back, not her girl's back. But I'm saying, whatever Trinity said was, yeah, But all I'm just saying, like, if you're asking about how producers are involved,

before that whole recoupling happened, there were just a shit ton of conversations of, like, of guidance. Sure, yeah. I just think Kada ate down with the wrong way to enter the villa bitch. Wrong way to enter the village. I'm a little sad. I loved Chee. I thought Chee is so hot.

I know. So hot. And like the energy that her thing. Listen, I, if Zach seems like a really sweet guy. And I know a lot of people are annoyed by him, but he seems like a decent man. I don't want to criticize a guy who at the end of the day seems like a sweet guy.

We're having empathy today. I just can't get past the fact. Keda does not seem like a woman who's going to date someone whose hero is Zane Malick and wants his to watch Spider-Man movies with his girlfriend. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she loves a little nerd. Here's my question. So it was actually, I was talking to some of my friends about this.

And I, to be honest, the majority of my male friends is that guy. Is that? Yeah. And they love Spider-Duff. Man, they love, like, it's, I'm friends with a bunch of, like, film boys, you know what I mean? And I was talking to, like, my beautiful, beautiful girls that are, like, either also friends with them or dating them or whatever, and they just like that they're, like, sweet. Like, I know so many baddies that are with, yeah, which is not completely true.

Well, they're not always harmless. They're not always harmless. They pretend they're harmless, and then they use that to, like, manipulate you. And then they're, they're too scared. And this is where I want to get to it is because Zach goes into this whole like I love you thing. Oof.

Joking. Sir, you do not get to say I love you. You do not to say I love you in that moment in bed and the next day say it was a joke. And she should know that. And he kind of made it out like she should know that. She knows that. It was a joke in his interview and it's like

you said it multiple times. Yeah. I don't think that's the problem with a guy like that and that's what you're saying is he's too immature. He's going to use everything as a joke because it's like, I do this shit. I just think that's immaturity, not like a, that's, like, not malice. It's, no, no, no, I don't mean it's malice.

I just mean, like, I think it's a. But Kada seems anything but immature. Exactly. And I'm just like, I think she's, you know, again, maybe I don't want to discount there. Nothing irritated me more than like fans telling me who I'm supposed to have feelings for. You know what I'm saying? Or it's like, you guys don't fucking know. They're like, oh, we love so and so.

It's like, good for you. I couldn't stand them, you know. So what do we know? But it is, I'm just, it just does, like, Kada and Zach don't make sense to me. Yeah, I was like, for me, Zach's just a little too immature. He plays too many games for me to be like, oh, I think he's a nice guy. Has anybody seen an obsession in the movie? Okay, because that's, the whole point of obsession is kind of breaking down the nice guy trope

where it's just like what your intentions are just because you're too mousy or because you don't, you're not forthcoming with, like, how you actually feel about things. Like you would do things the back doorway being like, oh, well, maybe if I bring her flowers or if I get her coffee, she'll notice me. And you know what I mean? And then if you don't get that attention, you're upset about it. And now I'm the bad guy because I didn't give you the attention even though you were laying down all this groundwork. To be honest, the movie obsession really like makes me think about Love Island because you have so many of these guys that have an inability. And it's not even just Love Island. I think it is my generation. And I honestly think it's something I do too. there is this fear of actually saying how you feel about something because of rejection. You don't want to get rejected. As if rejection would be so humiliating. As if rejection would be so humiliating. But the reason it happens is because getting rejected to, I think someone my age,

is not just getting rejected in person. It's getting rejected online as well. You feel like, you feel like you're being watched all the time and that your social circle is like extended outside of just a group of friends. So it's scary to get rejected because then it's like, oh my God, Like as a guy, like, did I say something to make that girl uncomfortable? Or as a girl, it's like, oh, my God, like, am I just the biggest fool? And then whatever. So then you have this idea that you can make somebody know without actually having to take a risk and tell them. And I think that's the problem with, like, with Zach is like he's trying to do everything in his power.

Casey, it's just like the entitlement of like, oh, we get in bed and she turns and goes to bed. And it's like because you're entitled to sex. Is that what you're saying? Could you build her up? There is like, I don't know if Casey realized I was coming across. It comes like, you know, it's fat. I was thinking about this and maybe I don't, we don't have time for a Love Island essay right now. But like we know that Gen Z is having less sex than ever before.

But it's interesting that, you know, but we also have hookup culture going on. And it seems like young men like who are having less and less sex and detaching from relationships at like a, a historical raid. Also, like, it's like they cosplay sex now. You know what I'm saying? They don't really understand. They've never been with someone.

They don't understand it. And so now they feel like the exchange of sex is what love is all about. And honestly, I feel like that's what you're seeing in KC. I don't, it also comes across his little, like, Icky where it's almost like that, like, he's objectifying women down to sex.

But I think it's more comes down to, like, this younger generation and they grew up they're having less real intimate relationships with people and having more like relationships with porn. Also like rom-coms are about like that's what I'm saying where I'm like movies that I grew up on

are now all of a sudden getting like resurfaced because it's their 25th anniversary or whatever and I'm like so it's like you have these people who find it already hard to interact with other human beings and then it's like you throw in this whole intimacy and now we're throwing back in the nice guy

that like chases down and we're back to yearning and we want these these men to so it's like you're getting so many conflicting ideas because you guys don't know how to be intimate with somebody you guys don't know how to grow that relationship but also now the influence isn't we're going to be spot on and talk about the fact that no one's having sex we're just going to bring back the stuff that taught our generation how to be in romantic relationships with no background question yeah yeah about keda and zach obviously we know that his love interest was removed from the island. Again, we don't know what

didn't make the edit. But why isn't Zach just being, hey, I want to be straight up with you? I missed you the whole way, but just like, I just want you to know that like this person who I was like talking to was removed. I was coming back solo anyways. But like I think it's it's like he's hiding something

by not bringing it up. And I think if she finds out, and I don't know if she's going to find out because obviously the reasons that she was removed if the show is clearly chosen to just like move on. Yeah. Yeah and not really get into it but we don't really know. But we don't know

what they tell cast when they do that. We don't know right but I'm in the fact that like she was clearly just removed and like so he's like I'm a good boy. I'm a good boy can handle you. What we're seeing is him making it seem like but she might know she might know I don't know but like

every time I think about it. If she if he doesn't doesn't bring it up, you know, and she finds out that it was, she was removed as opposed, and he didn't have the choice to bring her back. I wonder if that's going to feel like Decatur, like a lot. They show the removal at movie night. She's not going to, you know what I'm saying? She's like, wait, what? Hey, so remember, I'm on snap. Yeah, exactly. And genuinely, like, this is no shade to Permita because I do like her, but if I have to watch Corbyn and Permita have a conversation one more time.

It's like watching two last brain cells rubbed together. You're hot. No, you're hot. Okay, it's like from the girl version of me. You're the same person. You're literally perfect. Yes.

It's okay. We'll go back to the art because we're hot together. He's pretty straightforward, you know. I think there's not much there. I think they're good for each other. How do we know that? I don't think you can judge a book

by its cover length of time. I think Corb GPT. Oh my God. Okay. I'm going to let that one go. I don't know. I think he's sweet. Except for the way he's talking about

Kenzie, though. Oh, yeah, no. F that. The fact that he threw a cake in Kenzie's face. I was like, but he apologized for that. He's like, you know what? That was fucked up. I don't think he realized, I think, again, like, he's an asshole.

And it breaks. I can say, sorry, does it put the plate back together? You had an option to do anyone else and you chose the girl that you mugged off. That's crazy work. Honestly, like, I thought, other than Megan the Stallion being there and her being like. Love her, love her, love her. I'm just like the competitions at this point. I know.

I don't care. I didn't really care. It just felt like, why are we so emphasizing every fetish in the book? Like, I'm just, like, sitting on cakes. That's what we're doing here. Yes, the constant cake eater reference. It's kind of a little, like, Dan, we're doing too much. This is a crazy comparison, and I don't mean this in, like, that way.

But, like, the Dan Schneider kind of thing that they used to do on, like, Nickelodeon. With the foot? With the foot. It's very similar in that vein of, like, what they're doing on Love Island. My jaw dropped. I was in Santa Barbara. we're watching the whatever, the heat challenge or whatever, and it's just like, tickled. And I was like, why are these the categories and the option is to suck on somebody's foot?

Like, I don't need to see that. And it was just like, the end one was just a straight up orgy with clothes on. And I was just like, I don't know. I'm like, I get at their 20 something consenting adults, blah, blah, blah, but I'm just like, I don't know. Their parents are watching this. Like. I cannot imagine. No, I would just mortify.

Because if I want to stay in the villa, I have to participate. And do you remember who was, was it? it Bella, Belasha that was like that wouldn't make out with people. Yeah, she was like of her morals. And I was like,

and she got the boot. And she got the fucking boot. But it's like, I respect that because I'm like, damn. If my grandma had to watch me just like grind in on a bunch of random people,

I would be like, I'm not coming home for Thanksgiving for Christmas. I don't know what I was reading or watching or something that described Love Island as the Garden of Eden. And I was like,

that's funny. I feel like Trinity and Bruce are going to make zillions of dollars at like a, a, comic book convention because they look like they should be the lead characters

of like the Twilight site. They're beautiful. They're so hot. But together they're just like they're like, I can just picture. They look like. There's also a ton of people driving by Ace Hardware and being like Trinity Girl will never let you back here.

Oh, I love that. Because she's to work at Ace Hardware, I guess. That makes me love her even more. Me too. Also, I saw I saw a picture of her wearing a Packer jersey. Is she a pack? No, I don't know that. We're going to Google. I was like, I don't know that answer.

I got you. I didn't even watch the show, but I saw that picture, and that was my number one. You are winning. She's a Packer fan? Trinity Love Island Packers fan. Yeah, she's so cute. And yeah, I noticed people said, like, he ditched the bangs, and he's swooping it back now, and it's such a good look. Right.

Yeah, it's really working for him. Do you think Trinity told him to lose the Barrett? I think the Packers posted something with Trinity in it. Oh, damn. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Damn. Okay, well, can we talk, this is my personal gripe.

Yes. Casey and Titi at the fire pit laughing when Anaya is having her panic attack. What am I saying? It was a Shonda Rhyme scene. Yes. With the I'm only human playing in the background. Sick to my stomach. I was like this, that's the greatest sin to me of everything.

Like I really don't have a problem with Casey finding a new connection. I really don't. Like, yeah, it sucks for. Potential chance editing. Yeah, that's true. That's true. But that's true. I mean, reaction shots are the easiest thing to.

take out of context. Or maybe he deserves it. I don't know. I'm just... Yeah, that's a fair point. Regardless, we know that he went from the recoupling to the cake without having a conversation with her because she said, you didn't even have a conversation with me. And he's like, it's been one day.

I just think of everything that's happened, him not coming to her and being like, I care about you. Everything I've said to you is true. Everything I see in you is you're beautiful. Everything I've said to you, I don't take back. I just found a better connection. to not have that respect for her, that was the biggest mistake of anybody

all season in my opinion. I just thought it was so disrespectful. I am glad, though, he didn't come back like kind of being like, hey, I still want to explore, though. I'm glad he made a decision. He set her free, but like, oh my gosh. But you're right.

He didn't give her the respect, I guess. It's just respect. He also kind of doubled down at the competition, you know what I mean? Where I was just like, where even Corbyn was like, dude, just take it. Like, you know what I mean? Like, at that point,

show a little humility, show a little grace that it's like, hey, I hurt you, I deserve like, and he's like, I hurt you. The way the villa girls were like the, I was like, why do they keep saying rise up to Casey? When, and it's on a, it's just tat like the way they're kind of, it's a pretty good dig. It's a little petty, but it's pretty funny.

Sometimes I, I am so pro being petty in those moments. Yeah, it's pretty good. But also it's like for Casey to have the conversations he's had with Anaya about like respecting her as like who she is like in herself and to then completely do the opposite of that. But that's what I said is. It feels like it wasn't genuine because then it's like he keeps saying it as like a defense. He's like well I was building her up. I was building life to her.

His biggest. Now it's like that's conditional. Conditional. Exactly. Exactly. I think the biggest crime was. Anaya made it clear that when they, she, you know, that she was locked in to K.C. and maybe she's open to exploring

because that's the villa but like this is the relationship she wants to invest in and KC was more like I deserve to be able to explore and you're my best choice so far but he kept making Anaya think that he felt like

she felt and that was what was disrespectful and misleading is that it's not because he wanted to explore or didn't give a chance to explore is that he downplayed how much he wanted to explore versus how much that she communicated how much she wanted to

explore and he allowed her to have more faith in him than she deserved to have because he went into the villa or Casa Moore being like listen I just to be honest with you I really I need to test our relationship I'm gonna go ham at Casa Amar and I think you should too and let's just see if we end up together at the other side then then Anaya would have had the freedom to move a little bit more like you know with Carl do you guys think that there is a real fear in actively admitting how much you actively want things because I was thinking about this. I was at my roommate's soccer game and my roommate won. Shout out. Congrats. Championship. But as I was, we were leaving, someone from the other team was like,

I don't know why they care so much. It was just like, they care way too much about a rec soccer league. And it was like, he only said that because he lost. And I'm like, I think sometimes we pretend and like that's why like KC pretending he like didn't really want to explore. And it's like why should like investing yourself or, you know, like, taking a chance or betting on yourself or taking a risk, you know. And it's like, I feel like in Love Island, they're stuck between this like having to care so much about something, like performatively caring about things versus like finding the things they actually care. I do you think societally though that I'm like, that's kind of the program is that it's like you're supposed to be fearful or to doubt yourself so that you don't keep trying new things. that it's like if I expect to fail, if I'm so afraid of looking stupid or failing, why would I even attempt to try?

Where it's just like, okay, why would I be honest with my feelings and look stupid? Or if you're in Casey's perspective, if he's hyper aware of the audience or whatever, he doesn't want to look like an asshole being like, hey, I'm going to go make out with every single fucking person. But it's like even then within your actions, just because you didn't tell the one person that it actually mattered to and still acted that way, you still look like an asshole. So it's like it's better to be forthcoming. with how you feel and being honest in a situation, especially if you're not 100% committed to

that person. Let her know you're not 100% committed to that person. And then you wouldn't have five girls screaming at you when you're back in a fire pit. But again, it's like honesty and bravery and all that stuff. It's just like I feel like is so second tier because it's like, be fearful. Stay in the box. Don't be too big. Don't be too honest. Don't be to this. And I'm just like, oh my God, speak your fucking truth. And then the last thing anybody can say about you, she wasn't honest. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. Just Well, we gotta go. We didn't get a chance to talk about the finale of Rhode Island Housewise. We will on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap. So tune back in for that. We have a

jam-packed episode on Thursday. I hopeful we'll have another Islander. Maybe Corey. We'll see. I don't know. Maybe there'll be, I don't know, maybe there's a dumping tonight. Who knows? But we certainly hope to have another Islander on to learn about their experience. We also have some of the nannies from Million Dollar Nanny on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap. Reality Recap on Thursday is going to be absolutely jam-packed as always. Thank you to our guest, Sean from of Island. Justice for Peter Weber. I don't know if anyone's going to care. This is my test on humanity. I don't know. I hope no human deserved what Peter Weber got. And everyone who goes on reality TV is still a human, man or a woman.

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