The Viall Files - E1151 - Movie Night Was UNHINGED, Corey From Love Island & Million Dollar Nannies Tell All

Episode Date: July 2, 2026

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!  So, MOVIE NIGHT HAPPENED!! Or… started happening, at least. Corey stops by to give his take on what's happening in the villa post-casa and we talk all about Sincere and Melanie, KC and Aniya, Zach and Kayda and the mess that they made for themselves, plus whatever Kenzie is doing. Meanwhile, we're joined by the Million Dollar Nannies to learn all about the drama you didn't see on their show. AND, if that's not enough, we talk about the Real Housewives of Rhode Island reunion finale. You won't want to miss it :)   "Real eyes realize" Nick is on Substack! Subscribe here: https://nickviall.substack.com/subscribe   HEY! YOU! DO YOU NEED DATING AND RELATIONSHIP ADVICE?  Email [e-mail] and be a part of future Ask Nick episodes! Want ad free episodes and incredible bonus content?  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/ Subscribe to The ENVY Media Newsletter Today: https://www.viallfiles.com/newsletter  To Order Nick's Book and/or learn more about the show, go to: https://viallfiles.com THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Olive & June: Visit https://oliveandjune.com/viall for 20% off your first System! Whatnot: Download Whatnot today and get $20 Off and free shipping on your first purchase. Vivrelle: Go to www.vivrelle.com and apply for a membership today using referral code VIALL for your first month of membership FREE. Mint Mobile: To get your new wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month, go to https://mintmobile.com/viall Rosetta Stone: If you want to take your language skills to the next level, don't wait to try Rosetta Stone Sapphire! The Viall Files listeners can get 20% off their Rosetta Stone Sapphire subscription when they sign up today! To advertise on this podcast please email: [e-mail] or go to: https://advertising.libsyn.com/theviallfiles   Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:13 - Household Headlines 57:46 - Corey Joins 01:15:42 - RHORI 01:34:41 - Leah And Olivia Join 02:03:33 - Taylor And Mitchell Join 2:24:45 - Outro Episode Socials:  @viallfiles  @nickviall  @nnataliejjoy @coreysawyerjr @leahbarrs @livmcmahonn @taylor.hayward14 @mitchellbienvenue @ciaracrobinson                                     @susiecevans @the_mare_bare @justinkaphillips @baybaeee

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As you can see, Nick has stepped out of the building and has entrusted us with the intro. So we'll see if that was a good idea or not. Join by the one and only Susie Evans. Hey-yo. Mary Justin. A little shout out to Bailey. Hello.

We got Bailey in the room. That was a good intro. Thank you guys. Yeah, beautiful. You're eating down. Oh my God, my heart's beating so fast. I'm sweating. Before we get into the episode, we've got exciting guests for you today.

We've got Corey from Love Island, partnered with Melanie. I'm going to ask him about what he's seeing in the villa, about his time in the villa. And then we also have some of the million-dollar nannies. Guys, Leah, live, Taylor, and Mitchell. Huge. The drama, the season. Yeah. Y'all need to get into these nannies.

Oh, so excited to get into it. Oh, my God. Also, before we get into the episode, sorry for another little distraction. But huge news. Okay, so plus, we all know, we all love. Justin and I have our own show on it. We do.

The Justin Mary Takeover. If you want to gab and, like, it's not that serious guys. Just hear about us. It's not. We talked about TV dinners. TV dinners. We talked about, I went on a whole.

Haircut horror stories. Madonna. Madonna. Uh-huh. I'm your biggest fan, I think. Yeah. I don't know. I'm competing.

Yeah, that's fair. The cut up of you guys that you put on socials. Of the core edits. They're so fun. Yeah. Yeah, I love them. It's just like, yeah, guys, go watch it. Go subscribe to Plus.

And actually, right now, if you really want to listen to me and Justin, you can use the code 25 off for 25% off any annual plan to Vodafel Plus for our 4th of July sale. So support. For the 4th of July, support Justin and I. That's a, I support that. We will be talking about lighting fireworks because you can't do that in L.A. specifically, but that's my culture. Oh, Florida on a beach. Can L.A.?

Does L.A. do fireworks at all? They do, but like events, but like where I'm from, you can literally do it in your, like, yard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Virginia. Yeah. Ooh, do you guys have like, a big, like, fire, fireworks stores on the highway?

Oh, yeah. Yes. But only during July or June. In Pomp Springs. We actually have to go down to all. We have it all year round. We have to go down to North Carolina because we used to have it, but now we've got to drive down to the outer banks. And there's like this little side of the road thing.

All right, big dog. Let's go into the rest of the show. Wait, guys, is anybody watching voicemails for Isabel? And by watching, I am going to rewatch it the second time. Oh, it's that good. I think it was. Oh, it's so good. I thought it was a, I'm not going to watch it a second time, but I loved it.

I had a great time. Yeah. Like, I was like, honestly, Netflix needed a really good movie hit since what was the PS, not P.S. I love you. The letters. Remember the saga that they did? Bridgeton? No. You know what I'm talking about. From all the boys I love before. To all the boys I loved before. Oh, we needed. Those movies. Special place in my heart and voicemails to Isabel. Do you know the premise, Susie? Not really, but is it bringing back yearning? Is it that vibe?

Kind of. Okay. But it's, you've got males. A bit you've got mail. A bit, if this happened in real life, maybe a restraining order. It was Nick Robinson. The hottest man on earth, sorry. Which we know very deeply as Simon from Love Simon. Was the main love interest for the guy opposite Zoe Deutsch. Basically. Who kills it every time.

So it takes place in San Francisco, which is like my culture. So love it. But basically there's these two sisters that are really close since birth. Unfortunately, one of the sisters has, I think, cancer, right? Yes. And ends up passing away. and Zoe's character basically calls her sister's number

like they would call all the time so after her sister passed she still calls her and like updates her on her life what she's doing Nick Robinson's character basically gets a new work cell and the work cell is the old number of her sister

so all of these voicemails it's literally so good all the voicemails go to his phone and he's listening in on it and basically he forms a parissocial relationship and he's like rooting her on he knows everything about her and he's like I need to find this girl

So he goes to San Francisco and finds her. And in the process of him trying to kind of like tell her like, oh, I've been getting the voicemails, he falls in love and doesn't tell her. So then they fall in love and like he uses some of the details to his advantage to like basically loop her in. Okay. They fall in love and then it's like months later they go to the best friend's wedding. And I knew it was coming. The whole time you're watching it and you're like it's about to happen at the wedding. Something someone's going to slip up and say something.

Spoiler alert, by the way. Oh yeah. Well, I didn't spoil it. at. Well, okay. That was in the trailer. We could have been, okay, from now on, spoiler. Okay. Okay. But anyway, so they're at the wedding. And he's, he's nice. He's like, wear my jacket. You're cold. So she's wearing his jacket and then she goes to call her sister. Oh, gosh. Oh, and it rings. And there's like a buzz in the pocket. And she's like, what? Pulls out it. It's his phone and it's her calling his phone. She looks over at him. He's getting a drink for both of them. And she's like, oh my God.

She's devastated. So she's about to leave. She can't look him in the eye. And he goes up and he's like, what's He's like, I'm so sorry. I've been trying to tell you. I know it's fucked up. And her monologue, I'm so sorry. Literally took me out. She was like, I wasn't asking the universe for a man or for help. I want my sister back.

And it was like the most emotional. Okay, I'm going to cry. Yeah. I was trying. The whole film I was crying. I cried. You know me. I cried.

I didn't cry, but I felt it. Honestly. You were like one step emotionally removed more than me. I also watched this movie. Like, like I was like this. If you're listening on audio, this is me snug as a bug in my bed. She's horizontal. I was horizontal. Like, it wasn't a tears moment. And by the way, Susie, this is one of those films where, like, the montages are done so perfectly. Like, it opens with

dancing on my own Robin. And it's, like, mirroring the sister that has to stay home because she's sick with the sister that, like, gets to go out and, like, experience the world. And it's the most beautiful thing. And basically, spoiler again, they end up together. It's reconciled. It's a really good ending. There's a sappy montage of, like, Nick Robinson running slow motion to Benson boom screaming kind of random but Benson Boone thing is kind of what took my ears out

Susie oh actually let me not spoil it for you but the ending's really beautiful okay okay I kind of spoiled a little bit but the ending it's okay I can still like appreciate

and enjoy and like I know I'll cry even with all the spoilers like I am just so emo like I'm on the couch you guys are all like oh I don't cry but like I cried and I'm like crying just hearing you guys talk about this I cried too and I don't also cry

it was a beautiful film I love that I looked over at my fiance and I was like are you not are you not crying he's like are you crying and I was like are this motherfucker Taylor Swift element of it, but you're a Swifty.

Yes. Like she, her appearance in the film of just her music, I think, may be ending too. Her appearance was her music that it did a little New Year's Day. Yeah. Okay, because I have a question for you as a Swifty. Oh, gosh, okay. Are you seeing the Madison Square Garden rolling out a red carpet? Do we think it's a ploy or do we think it's really happening?

Or do we think it's like, is it this weekend or is it three weeks or now? up that she sent different dates out to different people to see if it leaked she would know who sent that out? I heard that. Okay. I also heard that some people said all we have is like a date and to be dressed up and that people think that they're getting on a jet. Like there's all of these rumors of people who are saying like there's, there's a lot of rumors. I feel like that I don't really know what's true and I'm also, but I did see that there's road closures happening. So I saw that and I saw one person that was on the streets. I did not fact check whether this was Madison Square Garden. I'm not fact checking anything. But the video I did see.

we're about to say is based on my name. Someone zoomed into like the people unloading from like the big rigs into the stadium that is allegedly Madison Square Garden and the back said Taylor Swift event or something. But her name was on the shirt. But I'm also like would the people unloading the car have a shirt that said Taylor Swift? Or would maybe they're fans though. Maybe she's maybe it's literally a fan who's just like showing up to work where you have to like you have to like a manual labor job like a Craigslist shop. You got it off Facebook marketplace. I don't know. And you're like we need manual people to like move stuff and it's a, it happens to be a. And she's wearing a Swifty shirt. That's a good point. Invite her to the wedding. It was a guy. How would you feel if it was at Madison Square Garden?

Iconic. I feel like it's great. I love it. I feel like it. You don't like it? How do you feel? It's just, you know, and as it, do whatever makes you happy. It's your wedding day at the end of the day.

So who the fuck cares what I have to say about it? Sure. But if you're asking just my general opinion, I just feel like she's performed at Madison Square Garden so many times. It's like you guys were just at the Knicks games. Like, I don't know. Like, I just think that there's something a little, like, are you inviting enough people to fill the stadiums?

Like, what's the migration of events? Where is the cocktail hour taking place? Are your photos in front of the stadium? Are you going to have posters drop down? Like, it's the Eres Tour. Like, it just kind of feels like you can do anything in this world. Like, they could shut down any Disneyland location in any part of this country. The Loo.

At the world. I'm just saying like, Yeah, like I'm just married in the loop. Well, Taylor and Travis aren't getting married in the loop. I feel like you could go anywhere. I do feel like she's more whimsical than Madison Square Garden. If I'm being honest. Yeah.

She's like a practical person. Like, yeah, she goes big, but she also just seems to have a good head on her shoulders where maybe she's like, you know what? Madison Square Garden, it's easily accessible. People can get to it. Like, like, maybe she's just thinking practically. And she's also like the sports aspect with Travis. Like maybe there's something to it where it's just, it's just logical.

but she is more whimsy than that. Yeah, maybe there's a world where Madison Square Garden is the place where sports and pop culture and music intersect, right? And that's what their relationship is. I have a theory. And so they're getting married there.

Or, alternatively, they are going to secretly get married and this is all just a... She's already married. That's my theory. She's already married. Like, I think this is... And good for her. I think she did it in privacy with her family and I have no evidence for this.

But I think, like, this is just... just for like the public. And I'm thinking even just like her proposal. Like he went to town on that proposal. It was just like dripping in the most gorgeous flowers. They were in a straight up fairy tale. Doesn't her family own a Christmas tree farm? Yeah.

They're getting married on the Christmas tree farm. They already did. Yeah. I support that. Just thing. Like I feel like they've been married since Christmas and we're just not finding out. Or like what if it is like they're just having like a new wedding once every four months. As they should.

Yeah. And they're like, you know what the public one? So you guys can view it at home. Madison Square Garden. The wedding album. She does make a lot. She knows how to make a buck. She does.

If she sold that wedding, like the royal wedding to view like a Knicks game or something, people would pay. Oh, I'd pay. I wonder, you know, I was, Susie, this is a question for you mostly because you're the biggest Swiftie in the room probably. I don't know. I don't know. I think of the aesthetic. I just love Taylor Swift. Yeah.

I feel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair. Yeah. And I honestly do like know her discography. very deeply and love a lot of it. She, to me, is like a girl with a guitar, right? And the authenticity of Taylor Swift

when she's doing the whole, like, Madison Square Garden thing, like, doesn't necessarily land to me. And I get called a hater of Taylor Swift, but, like, I don't feel like I am. And this Madison Square Garden wedding to me kind of, like, is that same thing of, like, it feels like she's performing herself for the public

more than she's being, like, true to herself. That's what I said she's probably already married, or this is for the public. I kind of see that where it's like, like I said, I'm like, I feel like she's more whimsical than Madison Square Garden. But I do sort of think there is an expectation probably from honestly more so Travis's side. Like I feel like Taylor, she's got so many cool, interesting friends. Like whenever she pops out with a friend and we're like, oh, this actually makes sense that she's friends with Ice Spice or like whatever. And you're just like, oh, okay, like that.

It's like off brand but on brand for her. But I feel like Travis more so has like the traditional aspect of like his sports team. coach and like i don't know these terms but like the sports people who like it's getting great sweetie i also yeah yeah yeah i'm like the people that expect him to have like a a wedding like i feel like taylor would be down for like an elopement with just her family christmas tree farm but yeah it does feel like not performative but like okay we have to do this for like all the people that have supported and loved us it's the royal wedding happy early for the july yeah um yeah i wonder if there's a world in which it's like she does this and then she can kind of just chill you know

honestly, not a bad idea where it's just kind of, I mean, because you can. Yeah. I think it's a bad idea in general, but like because it's her, no. Yeah, why not have some sort of ruse of a wedding or have some event that everyone's going to be paying attention to? And then that way you can go have the wedding that you want because people think they've already seen it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

But I'm also like, if Zendaya and Tom can sneak off and get married, it's possible. You can. Do you confirm that? 100%. Well, technically, La Roche. Yeah. Well, Laroch accidentally said it on a red carpet, and then he backtracked later on being like, I was just joking, guys. That was a bit. So we don't know. Well, Tom. Because he originally said, you missed it. Guys, you missed it. And everybody's like, so it's like, so it's like, so it's like, so it's like, so it's like, AI photos. Yeah, the AI photos. People were like, were your friends and family fooled. And he goes, well, no, because they were all there. Yeah. So it's like, I just feel like Taylor to me is big enough that she's probably doing that, but she's going to give everybody a show. Yeah. I'm like, I think probably for her fans and everybody that she knows is like, like, like waiting on baited breath to see what she's going to wear, what the colors, all the things.

Oh, I know. I do want to see what, what song is she going to walk down to. Oh, I heard like, there's performers. I heard Stevie Nix and who else was it? That would make sense. For Madison Square Garden. For Taylor Swift. No, that.

She's going to have a full-on concert. She definitely is going to have a concert. And I was also like, who's going to officiate her wedding? I would love that. I would love to have just like a concert for my wedding. That would rock. Yeah, maybe they're just doing like a musical experience. It's the, my dream.

wedding would maybe just be like the S&L 50 music celebration that they did and then I get married at the end. Okay. I love that for you. My dream Taylor Swift's content, if she were a content creator, like that's what I would love. I would love if she were like actually just like hosting an event to figure out what her songs are going to be.

So it's just like come with me to Madison Skirt Garden while. And it's like Stevie Nicks performing. Like it's just like the most extravagant thing ever, but just because Taylor Swift could, you know. Yeah. I would love Taylor's. as an influencer. Like, I feel like she'd be so cute and real.

Like, if she just set her phone, like, the video of her and Travis doing his podcast, I was like, I need more of this. I wanted to see her exist outside of like an interview setting. And then she takes the turn and she's like talking head and she goes, guys, I never do this. But this one I had to say something about the obliterates the internet all in one. Takes them all out. Wow. Switching gears.

Did you guys see Rula's mistress? I guess not her mistress, but Brian's mistress. Rula's mistress. I like Rula's mistress. just even better. At this point, I'm just impressed over. You can't say things like that anymore. Girl.

Anyway, so she's posting saying what you're looking for isn't on my social media post. It's on my phone. I've got screenshots, videos and audio recordings that will shock your entire nervous system. Do we think she's campaigning? She's for sure campaigning. Yeah. Because I'm like she would have posted them by now if like she doesn't want to hold it for the show. And I mean, there is a spot because Liz just announced she's not returning to Love Island, Rhode Island.

which is Love Island But we would have loved Ivan. Oh my God. Liz, Lizard, you were never a bombshell. You were never a bombshell. You were never a robotics. We were never open. They were closed off.

They were closed off. Yeah. That's good. I actually kind of support the mistress coming on, not for like having a part, but just for one, yeah, messy. One episode, let her bring her. I mean, it's not going to do anything for her, but it will bring something to us. Bring your receipts, bring the proof, lay it out, set the record straight. And then what Rula decides from that point on, I think we'll have a clear understanding

if she's really just turning a blind eye or if she's fooled, you know? Well, because Rula and Brian, like, as far as we see from the internet, they're like happy couples still go lucky together. Like, they were just with Ashley I, like, joking around. That was funny. And then he got her Chanel bag, which that was for show. Yeah. That one pisses me off more than anything.

I'm with you. Get me a consolation prize because you cheated on me, got coffee. on national television and now I too get a $45,000 Chanel bag. Yeah. Shove it. You wouldn't do it too? Botega or nothing. Oh my God.

No. And by the way. Bercin. Do you chew on me on national television? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Birken. We're starting off at a Birken.

All right. We're getting cars, diamonds, the whole thing because clearly we're not in this for love. Yeah. Right. At this point, and maybe that's the case. And honestly, I kind of think we need to normalize that as effed up as it is. I'm 32.

Haven't figured it out yet. So maybe I do need to just marry for the Birken. Not that I even, I don't own a single designer bag, but I'm like, maybe I just need to marry for money and comfortability at this point. You're young enough to like marry, like without a pre-up, get the divorce and the money and still have life ahead of you. Yeah. I don't, yeah, that's fair. I don't want the divorce though. I just want, I just, I want love.

You'll find that. But I'm like, unfortunately, I think that's kind of the trade-off is you marry for money. You can't be upset 10 years later that you're in a loveless merit. You know what I mean? Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm assuming that Rula is trying to make her marriage work because they have small kids and whatnot. And she wants to keep that dynamic together. But at the same time, as I said, I'm like the public humiliation.

And I'm just saying if he's going to do it once and if he's done it multiple times, again, it's a pattern. So it's just like he might be on his best behavior for a couple of years once you get comfortable. Don't be surprised if he pulls the rug out from underneath you yet again. Maybe she's just trying to wait out his age a little bit. You know what I mean? I don't know how old he is, but maybe she's like five more years and his sex drive will be gone. Well, they've been together for... Yeah.

They were together for a while, though. And like, the mistress or a roula? No, well, I guess both. Well, we don't know, actually. Timeline. The timeline still doesn't make any... The timeline still doesn't make any... Joe Ellen never got the chance to really.

We don't know what year they actually married. But they were together for, like, what, 11 years is what she said, almost 10? I don't know. Sure. So I'm saying, I'm like, for me, it's like, the longevity means nothing in the grand scheme of things where I'm like, the disrespect, even like what we're seeing in Love Island, which is such a condensed version in such a short amount of time, it's just like the respect, you're going on a national television show during an event that you're filming, most likely getting text messages, getting

caught being in the car with her while dropping her wife off and whatnot and then denying the whole thing. It's just, I don't know. There's there's no substance there. I'm like, what is this worth besides the security of and the familiarity of not being a single woman with kids? No, I'm sad Liz isn't returning, though. Like, she was, I loved her. She made the season for me. Justin and I literally did our first takeover that we did on Plus was us going through the Rhode Island cast members and just having a ball because they're all so amazing.

They are. It's a good cast. It's so good. But Liz is a cornerstone of it. I feel like it's going to be not, I mean, there's a lot of interesting characters, but I'm like, I feel like she's a big point of drama. She was. And I also kind of feel like she's a bit of an anchor, you know what I mean?

And like she kind of has an individual situation with each person. Whereas like... She's kind of the mama bear. Well, that, and I was going to say the energy is so young with a lot of the cast that it's very, you know, chaotic that I feel like Liz kind of brings us back to Block Island, if you will. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm sad about it.

What was her statement? Her statement was, I'm full of gratitude for the amazing opportunity to appear on this ship. Wait, should I do it in the Liz boy? Yeah. Whatever you want, girlie. I'm full of gratitude for the amazing... That's not a good way. Just read it normally.

You are never, I'm full of gratitude for the amazing opportunity to appear on this show. As filming for season two begins, I have made the decision to take a step back and focus on my family, my work, and my passions. The Real Housewives of Rhode Island cast is an amazing group of women

who have created something special. Okay, I'm done doing that. I'll be watching this next season, rooting for the continued success of this franchise. for now I look forward to enjoying this little corner of the world from the other side of the camera. Well, we're going to miss you, Liz. Respect your peace. You know who else isn't returning.

Who? Miss Amanda Batula. I'm shocked. I'm gagged. Great. Yeah. I guess my idea this is coming. I mean, she needs to, I guess we don't really know why yet, but she needs to take a break for herself is what I think.

We get single Kyle in somewhere else. I'm also kind of like, until we get the statement that she's also not coming back to in the city, I'm like she also has job security Or maybe she's staying on In the City but not somewhere else That's what I'm saying I'm like yeah she already has the job security of In the City Her leaving Summer House and not wanting to party Random weekends especially when her boyfriend wasn't invited back

I mean honestly it would kind of be a really interesting storyline on In the City To be like what does this girl do now I actually do they will be interesting After you blow up your life what do you do? Yeah I'll be curious if her and West are still together Whether they are they aren't It only makes sense for them to be on the in the city because in Summerhouse it would just,

like with all the drinking and partying, it would just be so explosive, I feel like. We're in the city, it feels a little bit more calculated the way the scenes are set up and stuff. It's like less, well, I say that, but then last night's episode was like insane how everybody was just going ham at that dinner party. But besides that, normally it's like a little more, I don't know,

not calculated, produced, maybe. It feels less explosive than Summerhouse. It feels more mature. More mature, yeah. That and I'm like the whole pressure cooker of it all is that these people are actually living together during these weekends. So it's like anything can come up or if somebody decides to not speak to somebody, the tension is felt by the entire house where in the city everyone has their own respectable apartments and places. Yeah. Their own borough.

Yeah. Like where it's like, I appreciate that they're trying to make the Kenny and Lindsay relationship happen. But it's like, yeah, Kenny became 10 points more interesting solely because he's sitting down with Lindsay. I thought his dad conversation was cute. I did too. That was nice. Can we talk about the dinner, though? Yes.

I think this episode of In the City was one of the best episodes of television in a while. Like the fact that every second it was going to someone else, like, and it was just ping ponging back and forth. I also love that you guys keep calling it a dinner party where it was like her wedding celebration. That's so true. I know. Well, that's a dinner party. And it was the celebration after the wedding. So it was the dinner.

The reception. Reception. Reception. Yeah. Okay. The reception. The amount of money that they spent on that interior decor. I know.

It looked absolutely stunning for it to be just a WWE Smackdown. But literally, honestly, that is, if I were to have a wedding in the vein of Taylor Swift and in the vein of in the city, what better thing to happen than to have an explosive dramatic scene with the beautiful scenery? Like, you really get the photos from the wedding and then you also get, like, Ostrauma. Those screenshots? You know what it reminds me? Yeah. Salt Lake City receipts time.

Like, Pramuda. Yeah, it's like, that's the reason. Like, we want, like,

and that's what Bravo will give us. It's like, you want, you want it to look like Barbie. You want the production design of an Oscar winning film. And then to have people arguing over bloggers.

Yeah. Was it a pink dress or a white dress? Okay, what do we think? That girl in white should leave. Tell me what you're thinking. Okay, so I have two schools of thoughts here, okay?

Because for one, um, Danielle, if you have to ask, maybe it's just not the right choice. Is that what Danielle said she was doing? She said that she tried on the dress, sent her a picture being like, is this okay? Because it's a pink dress. But in broad daylight, it looks 100% pink. In any low light, it looks 100% white.

But it's like if you have to ask the question, then it's probably a no. But sometimes, I will say, sometimes you have to learn the lesson the hard way. Because I feel like there was somebody recently that went to a wedding. in a yellow dress. I think it was like a butter yellow. Uh-huh. And it photographed white. Like, but in the daytime photos, it was fine.

But at night, once the flash came on, it was like, oh, it looked like a white dress. And I even I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, I was kind of shocked seeing this. And then I was like, oh, it's a butter yellow, which like you wouldn't, unless you have that experience, especially like working weddings. I've never seen anybody show up to a wedding in white unless the bride, like, asked for it. But I'm like, sometimes you don't know how things are going to, like, photograph. I think this was a little,

I think if she had to ask, she shouldn't have worn it kind of a thing because especially being on a show, you just know if there's room for drama, people are going to capitalize on it. So I kind of think, but then at the end of the day, I'm like, she did text the bride and said, can I wear this? The bride said yes.

And then the bride made a big deal about it. And the girl's like, it's the same, it's the same picture from what I sent you. And then everybody's like, oh, well, you sent a picture. So there's like this whole runaround. So I kind of see both sides. It's just not worth it out the end of the day.

It's not worth it. Yeah. But she did say that she didn't have. time to find something else. Wasn't it like a last minute dinner? Was it? I don't know if it's so. She did say that she didn't have time to get something else.

But then also why are you buying something for the event that might photograph white? To your point. Like maybe. That's what I'm saying. If you have to ask. Maybe think darker colors. She clearly thought that it looked white. I just loved that Danielle thought she was in the clear at that dinner table because it

started out with like Kyle and Amanda's relationship with Gavin being in the wrong. And Danielle defending Amanda. And then all of a sudden. said in Yvonne, right, out of nowhere being like, I don't think the girl that wore white to this, should have blah, blah, blah. And her going, are you talking about me, bitch? Yeah.

I think that, I think that just rolled off the tongue, the bitch. And I was like, wrong time it's called the bread the bitch. Do not do that. But she took it back. She did take it back, which I thought was so funny because she, the way she did it. She was like, I do apologize for saying bitch. I don't apologize for the dress.

I texted you. I texted you. But I was like, I kind of respect. She recognized that she shouldn't have said bitch. but then yeah I don't know if she texted her I'm kind of like well she cleared it Daniel clearly thought she was filming a scene for summer house and was like oh shit I'm sorry I do think Danielle ate down she did eat down because even like I think they all ate down but when Danielle when it turned on her and like Lindsay said something about her coming

on the show oh yeah she goes oh there it is you don't want me here the look in her face I was like wow oh she thinks she really thinks she just uncovered something And I'm sorry. I called him by the wrong name last episode. Gavin, not Garvey. Where did Garvey come from? Is that a name? Honestly, just a name.

I knew his name began with a G. And then it had a gah sound. I was like, Garrett. Garvey. He was doing too much with Amanda Kyle stuff. Well, that's what I said, bro. I was like, first of all, we're all just forgetting that we're at a wedding event. Okay, first of all.

Yeah. But second of all, why is the person that has no partner sitting here giving marriage and relationship advice at somebody else's reception dinner. Like, it's just like that's how all of his scenes go and it's so bothersome because it's like he's just there to talk shit. But like you're not even good at it. It's not like it's catty. It's not like it's like, oh, a crack joke.

It's like, okay, well, what's your situation? You know what I mean? So it just kind of feels like a lot of deflection of like who you are as a person. So let's call out everyone else. But it's like you don't really serve a big purpose on this show. I'm so sorry to say. Yeah. Well, he's the one that's stirring up the trouble.

Yeah. Yeah, but it's like it's too. like Lindsay is like the pot stirer on Summerhouse and the way that she does it is effortless. It's just kind of like, you know, how many sandwiches did you make for me? Like she's just like, or even her getting involved with Amanda and Kyle and it being like about herself with her baby daddy. But she's just like seeing you to destroy your relationship and how like she's she actually has feelings and heart and love attached to like where her anger is coming from where it's like Gavin, you're just literally here starting shit about somebody's disintegrating marriage. Well, how crazy was that conversation, too? Like, them being like, so do you still love each other?

Oh, that was wild. In front of the whole group at a wedding. That part where I'm like, justice for you, Yvonne. Yeah, no, 100%. And again, my point last episode, I feel terrible for Yvonne. I would feel terrible for anybody who put this much effort into celebrating their love for all of your friends to be complete a-holes and just yelling and screaming and acting like you're not there. Yeah, well, and then her turning, well, not turning on, but her going at Lindsay,

be like, and Lindsay's not defending me on my wedding. And then the husband trying to like, come on everybody, this is a wedding. And then they get it good. And then Amanda being the one to pull it back in. I know. It was actually really sad when you think about that. I'm like if my friends, I just know they would, they would never do that to me. Like you guys wouldn't do that to me.

Like if we were at my- Unless you wanted me to, I would throw down Sierra. That's true. Yeah. If the cameras are off, I'll give you a show. Yeah. Maybe they did want it. But it actually made me really sad because I was like, I cannot imagine like this.

as my friend group were celebrating my wedding. And no matter how many times I try to bring the attention back to me. So many times. It was like, it was like uncomfortable. Like I would, I actually would never. If people were fighting like that, I would just let them. Because I'd be like, wow, like this is actually crazy. And she did.

And nobody noticed she walked off crying in the bathroom. So, true. Like, that's so sad. And that's what I said, but I was like, and the unfortunate thing because we just love the OGs of Summer House so much that it's like you kind of couldn't feel bad for her at the same time because it's not like you didn't want to see what the conversation was going to happen. I just wish she was at a different setting. But unfortunately, because she's a new person on the show that we're not really connected about with, we don't

really have a reason to celebrate your love. So we're like, all right, go on, round two. Amanda and Kyle, ding, ding, ding. It was great conversation. It was so good. I also do think, I understand Daniel's position of like her partner where they're like digging so much into it. And she's like, ask him what his last name is. Ask him what he does for fun. Ask him this. But like, nobody cares about that. Right. How do you think Yvonne would feel if she saw her wedding filmed in the city on movie night? I mean,

I think she was watching it. Yeah. I mean... But we should get into movie night. We should get into movie night. I just wanted all of movie night. I hate that they split it into two. Yeah, I'm like, I honestly didn't need the first like hour of that episode. Like first 45 before we got into movie night. At least we got it. Last season we didn't get it. I know. That's so true. And I will say for my Love Island fans out there, I was like, this

movie night is brutal. I'm used to movie night kind of being a little playful, a little tongue and cheek, a little like, oh, there's something about Melanie. And then it's like Melanie flirting or whatever, but it's like a snippet. These were full-length feature films.

That was every terrible thing that these guys have done. And I will say where I was like, I did feel bad because I'm like these women, like, who have chosen these guys and then to see every single bit. There should be no couples leaving one

where should we start? Should we start with KC? Should we start with sincere? Should we start with Zach? Or do we start before movie night? Because Kenzie and Gal? The whole gal thing. Okay, then never mind.

Maybe we touch on the 40, the brief 45 before we get to meet me night. Even though I could have done without it too. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm sorry. I got really excited about movie night and kind of forgot that Kenzie like

started some shit before that. Okay. Yeah. Can't see the girl's girl. People have been really hating on her all season and I've really like tried to not give in, but I'm kind of giving in at this point. I just think I've been friends with girls who one, they love, even if it's not my man, they love the attention of a man who's with somebody else.

And I just think that that is such a like a cardinal sin of womanhood where I'm just like you don't need to prove your value by proving to yourself. that you can have a guy that's preoccupied with another woman. Yeah. I can't stand it. I think it's just such a, like, insecure thing. And it never reads as insecure from the outside because those girls present is, like, really hot and, like, very, like, sexual because they, like, know how to tap into that.

But deep down, they're, like, doing this to men who are in relationships or interests or, like, pursuing another woman. And I'm like, wow, that is just such a shitty thing to do, especially to your friend on the island in the villa. So I'm, I don't know. I've been trying to, like, be open mind with Kenzie. this is really like it's turned a corner for me. And like I kind of have an issue obviously with like Love Island sometimes where it's just

like everybody and I get it though. I'm like a day in Love Island is a week, is a week is a month. So I'm just like, yes, you guys are best friends. But I'm also kind of like you saw how hard Jen's time in this villa has been as well. So to go for the one guy that she has a connection with, that's bothersome. But then to not be the one to be like, hey, I know that you have a connection with him. I know things are kind of rocky, but we also have a connection. Like, same thing with Kenzie and Melanie.

Yeah. Like, where it's just like, can I get a respectful question if it's okay to talk to them? Right. Because I don't want to hurt your feelings. I don't want to step on toes. I don't want to make it seem like I'm trying to do something shady. And then for her to find out from someone else and to then sit you down and then you're sitting here playing the victim or playing like, oh, you're hurting my feelings because

she said if this wasn't Love Island, I wouldn't trust you at all. Which Jen, Jen ate down. I, like, I didn't. Honestly, I was bored by Jen. After this episode, I'm like, I ride for Jen. I love that girl. That's what I said. Sometimes it's a straight character in a house full of crazy, zany personalities.

They unfortunately get written off as boring or not entertaining or like, why are you on the show? But I'm just like, no, it's because they have a moral high ground. They have a confidence. Jen just seems like a normal girl. You know what I mean? And she's like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. Does Kenzie's whole thing with Gall, like.

I don't know. It's like Dylan. I think she doesn't like Dylan because Dylan likes her. Yes. And I think that's what it is. I don't think she, in her two guy thing, I think it's always just because like one of the guys likes her. And then once he starts liking her, she's like, oh, let me get another one that's

uninterested and then convince him to like me. Yeah. And then once she convinces them and they start liking her, she's like, oh, next one. And then she always has two. In the words of Hannah Montana, she wants the best of both worlds. Okay. She literally is like. kind of look like Anna.

If you want to know someone, diva, you've got to deal with the trouble of being known. Snaps for that. But as I said, I think gal looks like a guy that's going to, she said is her type, but also looks like he's going to ruin your entire life. Yeah. Already starting to with Jen. Yep. And then Dylan is the quintessential hot, nice guy that you've seen this trope so many times

in scripted shows where it's just like the guy that makes you feel excited and butterflies because like he doesn't like you and disrespects you. And then it's like the guy that builds you up after the fact and makes you feel good a one-on-one. But you're like, oh, my God, he's so sweet. But like, I'm not ready for that yet. He's too easy. Exactly. But I will say I too was very shocked by Dylan's reaction about the makeout.

Me too. That was a bit. I would have also maybe gotten me a little bit. As someone who also maybe has the tendency occasionally when somebody likes me to be disgusted by that. I get it. Like, Kenzie, I'm not saying. better than you girl. You're saying you are her.

Realize, realize. Okay, but wait, doesn't that say something about Kenzie though? Because she fully stirs up all this shit. He cries. And then she goes to him and it's like, yeah, me too. Let's let's. Ditto. Yeah, ditto.

I haven't literally. And so like to me, I'm just like, okay, after all of that end the crying. And it is a little, it is giving the ick a little bit. And I say that with love to him. He seems like a very sweet guy. Dylan, you're cute. But for her to then close off and be like, yeah, we're closed off. After all of that, I'm like, you just stirred up so much shit.

And now you're going to lock down with a guy that you don't like. And maybe it's just me. But she kind of looked semi-Miss. Okay, when she was hugging him. Semmy-Miss. Yeah. Not let me miss, but she looks semi. Les Miserable.

Not a full Ms. Yes. A semi-mins. She's hugging him looking over and it looks like somebody just stepped on her birthday cake and she can't scream about it. Like, that's literally what. it looked like to me and I was just like, oh, and I'm thinking about the timing, right? What are we three, four weeks into this bad boy that I'm like, you don't, you've already had CASA. She probably thinks that all of her options are over.

So it's either try something new from the start with gal who clearly has commitment issues or get with the nice guy who just cried over you that also has no interest in anybody else. Right. You know what I mean? So like that's where I wonder how they're going to do it this year. but the last like the, let's say like seasons four and five, I feel like they used to bring in almost like an OG CASA guy. So it'd be like the hottest guy from the last, the previous season or something as the bombshell. Yeah, they haven't had anybody from previous seasons, had we?

No. So that's where it's like, I'm wondering if we still have like one left, like one big surprise, one bombshell left that would be even guy or girl, I'm hoping it's for the girls, obviously. But yeah, I would love it to see if like there was somebody that like, made all of these girls either feel seen, wanted, or be able to leave these guys, because before Kasa, I was voting for, let's replace all the OG guys, because...

Same. I'm with you. Over all of them. They just, I... Except Bryce. Except Bryce. This man's hot. Bryce can stay.

He's hot. Dylan is hot, guys. Dylan is really hot. But, like, it's kind of... I think he's absolutely beautiful. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I know. Gorgeous, but I wonder...

It almost feels like he, like, watched the show before, saw Kenzie, had a crush on Kenzie. Kind of had, like, a parisoial thing with Kenzie. And then it's like he comes in gets Kenzie and he's already really attached to her. Maybe. Nice guys fall fast. Or that's just.

Yeah. I'm crazy. Have you seen the Brendan Frazier Elizabeth Hurley hit movie bedazzled? No, but you're speaking my language. I know that's why I was solely talking to because I know no one else in this room probably has. Mary just possessed her body and said something that I don't. A 2000 film. It was a movie about Brendan Frazier has a crush on a woman, right?

and he's this like nerdy guy. So he meets the devil who is Elizabeth Hurley. And she gives him seven wishes or something. And if not, if he's not content by the seventh wish, she gets his soul. And one of the wishes, because he wants to be everything that this woman wants. One of the wishes is like, I want to be the nicest guy in the world. I want to be so sweet that she, like, and it's, he's just crying at the sunset. Oh, my God.

Are those dolphins? And it's like, you can tell that she's clearly annoyed with him. and then some asshole like comes up and like throws a football and gets sand in his face and she like runs off with him. Oh my God, I need to see this movie. This movie looks awesome. Kenzie and Dylan.

It just definitely reminded me that where it's like be careful what you wish for because then sometimes it's not what it's cracked up to be. Well, it's kind of like obsession. Yeah. Yeah. It came out. It's yeah, I wonder this season specific and we'll get into movie night. Movie night.

Yeah, we've got to. It's like it really just showed this season to me is really just man ain't shit. And I think it's like producers are very focused on finding. See it loud for the guys. I'm in the back. No, it's like they're finding every single instance. And even like Bryce love him down. Like I want Bryce in Trinity.

This is not to say that like I don't want them together. I think they're so cute and in love. But it's like even then it's like we're going to get to see like all the shit that Bryce did when he wasn't prioritizing her. And it's like at the end of the day. It's like it's showing the differences between like the way like women are going to control a situation. And if they have the power to control it or the way that like men are. are going to control a relationship if they have the power to control it. Speaking of power, it's like when Casey was like, I just feel like the girls in the villa

don't understand my power. And it's like, what do you even mean by that? That was so icky. So I said it was like Casey watching his clips back. It felt like to me it was like his own revisionist history being challenged and he couldn't handle it. Yeah. Like it was like, no, I didn't do that.

That's not me. And it's like, bro. They didn't show the good stuff I said. Yeah. There was some good stuff in there. I'm sorry. Where? That is my, yeah, that is my biggest.

pet peeve is when like people say shit like that have been like oh well it's like they only use the bad stuff it's like you're only remembering the bad stuff that I said to you and it's like well yeah because you can say a million nice things to someone and then you say something that's so shitty to them and you're going to fuck up your relationship with it cancels out it cancels out like sorry yeah like let's not act like being kind and saying nice things about people is is is a is a goal post it's a bare minimum right you know what I mean so being decent thank you you're going out of your way to talk shit about her to your friends, calling her grandma, complaining about your entitlement to sex and all these things that she's not giving you.

And him not understanding what the girls were saying by like you would the easy option, the easy choice. It's just like you want somebody to make you feel like you are on top of the world. So therefore, instead of having to work for it, instead of having to build trust and grow a relationship, you want somebody that's going to be hot and heavy with you from the get-go that makes you feel a king of the world that you can also just disregard whenever you want to because you don't have to work for anything you don't have to apologize you don't have to be concerned about their feelings because they say whatever you want casey right you're so great and it's just like maybe

maybe you're not and it's no disrespect to t-tie on that front no because i think she did her job as a as a casa girl as a bombshell whatever but it is kind of that exact stereotype with all the bombshells and everyone from the casa teams because it's like you come in and you basically are like, I have to fight for my stay here. And I'm going to play into anything that these people want. I've been watching them. I know that Casey just wants X, Y, and Z. So I'm going to lean into that and have fun with it. And I feel like that's kind of what she did where it's like from the beginning hot and heavy. I'm going to show you what you don't have. T.T. did exactly that. And she was doing it well. Like she did. She's a great cossa girl. And honestly, I prefer Titi with Casey.

Me too. Yeah. In the guy, like I feel like they actually have an understanding with each other. I feel like they're on the same level. And good, great. But I'm like, to Anaya's point, you can have a great connection with someone else without disrespecting who I am as a person, let alone the relationship that we built. It's the disrespect. Yeah. And talking about it as if it's like he did some sort of charity work by building her up

or being kind where it seemed like that was genuine. I don't understand how the group, especially like specifically the guys, didn't see how the double standard thing wasn't a double standard. I'm like, it's not double standard. They're not like even as an audience like I'm not really mad at Casey for exploring I'm mad at him for the disrespect Yeah And the lies and not being direct Yes

Tell the Naya you're not interested And the guy's just like dying on that hill of like it's a double stater is a double stater? I'm like it's literally not though Like the two videos were so different You could literally play them in opposite order and it was the same reaction Because it is the same reaction guys It's cute because Anaya has just been disrespected multiple times then watch you guys on the screen talking shit and then it's like okay she's going to be open to the experience the only reason why she's open to the experience is because she knows what you're doing in there

so it's like that's not disrespectful that is her actually trying to open up and and play the game of love island whereas kc you disrespected her you lied to her you talk shit about her before you even went to casa and then by the time you got to casa it was i'm the king of the world i i deserve better she's not giving me anything that i deserve and it's like oh boy i think sometimes like guys like to point out a double standard when they just have to face reality. Sounds like all my exes. Yeah. It's like.

Or one in particular, maybe. Imagine if you had movie night. Oh, if I had movie night. Oh, I wish. How did we feel about Carl's reaction to the K-Cinaia fighting? Oh. He, did he get the ick?

I don't think he got the ick with Anaya. I think he got the ick with like. The villa? Probably. Like watching the guys. Because he also wasn't here. You know what I mean? So it's like you're seeing everything for the first time.

And I just think the way that Carl, even the way that Carl brings whatever girl doesn't have a partner breakfast because he doesn't want anybody to feel left out. Like he's just a thoughtful person. Guys, Carl's mom posted a video earlier being like, that's my son. And I was like, oh, my God. Have you seen the ab video of him with the B? No. Oh my God. I saw this video on TikTok.

It's like him like post gym like shirtless like ab. Oh, that's what they said. And then a wasp lands on him and he goes. When everybody said that he like carefully picked it up. He got his biceps from his mother. So his mother is like flexing in the thing. Oh, cute. You could just like, he's raised right.

He just seems like a good kid. A good guy. You know what I mean? So I think seeing all of the clips of the Casey and I think it was sincere too with the lying and going back and forth, it's just like I think it just weirded him out almost. You know what I mean? Like it's like this is cringy to watch and I'm technically on their side.

Honestly, like it was the react. It was the only reaction you would want to see from a guy. Yeah. And the fact that the other ones were just like, hmm, I'm kind of pissed up Bryce didn't say anything. He kind of told on Casey. He's like, well, Casey told us that, you know, he was told you he was willing to his sports. So he kind of was like telling on him. Yeah, he also forced.

He's the one that kind of forced Casey to actually speak up and take some accountability. Okay, good, good, good. Okay, yes. I forgot about that. And he was like, no, you know what guys? Fine. It's me. Don't direct your anger at them.

It's me. And it's like, oh my God, what a martyr. Yeah. Right. Bryce, you have made it through. You're still safe. Still in the clear. And even that Trinity came from him too

and was like, why didn't you say? You know what I mean? I was like, good. Trinity stay on his neck. And I actually appreciated T.T.2 standing up with the guys too because they're all acting like, oh, we didn't know. We had no idea. And she's like, no, you each pulled me aside for a one-on-one and told me you've never

seen him smile so big. You've never seen her happier. And we witnessed that. So it's just, again, these guys where I'm like the lying, the manipulation, the revisionist history. And speaking of revisionist history. Street. Zach. I was going to say people aren't liking. Unless this was, to Nick's point, sometimes producer manipulation of him not telling Kada about Alana going home, I'm just kind of,

like, why wouldn't you do that? No, I think even if, again, even if it was, unless producer said you cannot tell her, if they said to him, like, maybe just like kind of, you know, if they kind of give advice, if I'm him when we're going to bed at night and like cameras are like off and like, The mics are off even though they have the bed mics. I'm telling her and being like, hey, just so you know, like, I wouldn't have picked her anyways, but like she left. I'm sorry, but I'm telling my person because it's more about the illusion and the appearance, like the surface level.

Like, you have to understand in a relationship. Like, if you bump into somebody that you're like not, like your ex or whatever, it's better to disclose that to your current partner and just be like, hey, just so you know, like, I ran into this person while I was out. God forbid. And it's like not. not that you did anything wrong, but it's just good to disclose. It's like proactive transparency. And that builds so much trust in a relationship. And I feel like him not disclosing

that. It just left room for this to do exactly what it did disrupt their whole relationship. Like, why is this the first time I'm hearing about it? Girl, we've been wondering the same thing. We thought maybe you knew. I was going through the entire episode being like, okay, he's going to tell her. Right. Oh, no, he's not. He's not. He's not. He didn't. And then it's like movie night when she like, and I love that it wasn't even somebody saying something because I thought maybe one of the, Casa girls would like pull her aside and say something. Then when it was her just doing process of elimination, being like, where's the angel at the fire pit?

Oh, she went home. She left early. To watch Kada process all of that in real time. I wrote in my phone, I said, Kada, leave this man. Trinity and Bryce are winning anyway, but she needs to thrive on the outside world. Yeah. Would love a new bombshell, but we're too late in the game. Do we think you would have picked her anyway, but this just speaks.

a little bit to his immaturity. Yes. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. I don't think he was bringing her back anyways. But yeah, I think it really does just speak to his immaturity of like not protecting her.

I genuinely do. Like I do think that Zach would have picked Kada, but I'm just saying that the only reason why I think that is just based off of the limited amount of time that we got to see Zach and Alana together. That's true too. Because I'm also kind of like think about it that he had, I think two days in Casa without her. Yeah.

So I'm just like, if we had. those two days to grow a relationship, what other footage would have been in there? What other intimate conversations? So that's where I'm like, I don't think. You wouldn't know. Yeah, we don't. Yeah, that's actually so true. Like, we're basing it off of the very little time, the very little screen time we did get

of them. Because, yeah, going to bed with somebody every night, like, after, like, it is intimate. And she's pursuing him actively. Yeah. So who knows? It could have changed things. I think what sucks and what Kato was, like, really upset. about was just the fact that like she didn't get to make the decision of how she would feel about

it on her own right it kind of like you go back to like the obsession idea it's like Zach was the one that decided he wasn't going to tell her so then when she she had to find out via movie night publicly and so everyone watched her reaction to it in that way yeah it was like he took away her decision of whether she was okay with it or not because now because he didn't tell her she's never going to be able to know exactly exactly and it's also like the relationship with Alana, we just don't have any idea what could have transpired if they had more time. So it's just like, to her point, why wouldn't you tell me that's freaking weird. It's weird. What about sincere? Okay. And that's what's going to say too. I kind of feel like

Zach with Alana, we kind of, I think we would have had the same type of video that we saw with sincere and Amora. Because I'm just kind of like, I think Zach would have taken it just as far as sincere where it's like sincere, I genuinely didn't know. You genuinely didn't know because he's literally telling any woman whatever they want to, what he thinks they want to hear. So it's just like, and even when he chose to go home to the villa solo, remember he went up to her and was like, you know, if we had more time, like it really was a hard decision. Like, who knows what could have happened? And it's like, well, she's here now.

Right, exactly. Big dog. Big dog. Big dog. Big dog was wild. Big dog. All right, big dog. Twice.

Two times in a matter of like 10 seconds. I was like, oh, he is really, really friend-zoning her. No. But it was disrespectful. Big dog. Like, I respect the friend zone. The big dog was disrespectful. If someone...

It's a wild thing to say, yeah. It's a wild thing to say. Someone that you were making out with. If someone that I'm... Yeah, making it out with biting my bottom lip, biting his bottom lip, that... Didn't she strike blood? Or was that somebody else? It is kind of crazy.

Like, if you bite someone's lip and then they call you big dog. Although maybe it could work for me. She goes straight. That's kind of cute. Wait, big dog, me? I am tall. When everyone was silent, including the guys, do we think that sincere, did everyone realize at once that sincere manipulated everyone in the villa to think that Melanie was the problem in the relationship? I think there's a very good point to that because, yeah, I feel like even the guys were like, oh, this is bad.

And nobody really knew. But yeah, he's so good at manipulating everyone to their face that maybe seeing this back. Everyone's kind of like, oh, shit, he's been messing with all of us. and like really had us all under his spell. Trinity was kind of saying that too because remember under her breast she was like, and they all were defending him, getting on her back,

you're not crazy. And it's true because it's just like, again, it's interesting to me the dynamics of like when a woman is emotional, she's unstable, she's crazy, she's whatever. We watch these men, we watch Casey pop up like where it's like, what are you screaming at a bunch of girls?

You got to stand up for it. You need a megaphone and a platform. But he's not crazy. He's not overly emotional. You know what I mean? And so it's just kind of annoying that I'm like, okay, you disrespect Melanie. You're lying to her face. And she has the suspicion about it, but she hasn't actually seen it with her own eyes.

And you're telling her, no, no, no, no, I choose you that I'm like. And she gets painted like the crazy person because she had an emotional reaction to getting her feelings hurt. And I just think it's so annoying where these guys are like, oh, double standard this or like sincere. Sincere not being able to say a word. I'm actually surprised he sat through the entire movie, to be completely honest, because I would be so humiliated. But it's just like, even that he has nothing to say for himself, because it's like every move that you have pulled in this villa was just, and Casa was exposed. Right. You say one thing to soul, the way that he, like, they were putting it together that this was the same day.

It was so good. I don't want to make out with her. I don't want to kiss her. I don't want to be with anybody else. And I'm going to pull her into soul ties and stay there till sunset. Yeah. That was a new added piece of information that I was just. like I too would look like a crazy person walking around.

I'm going to go up there. I'm going to interrupt. The double beloved. The double beloved. The editors did their big one with that. Oh, they were waiting. To watch them, beloved. Yeah.

Big dog, beloved. Oh, my God. Yeah, Big Dog is great. Like, that was just such a, that was kind of like an iconic moment of like friend zoning. Big dog. Big dog. Big dog. Do we think sincere can rebuild the trust after being caught like this?

or has he already been called out, would he need to have told the truth by himself voluntarily? Yeah, no, I think, honestly, at this point, it's done. I think it should be done. I think Mary and I called it last episode that it was good. Do you think Melanie's going to walk away? Yeah, I don't. I honestly, I mean, I hope so.

Because I'm like, first of all, if everybody in the villa doesn't know that Bryce and Trinity are winning this. That's true. Good luck. Go with God because you get nothing as a second, third, fourth, contend. Yeah, I want honestly, I hope Melanie, I don't know, I don't know Melanie's sexuality. I have no clue. But like, even if just as a friend, couple up with a girly. Like, you can. Nothing's stopping you. It's happened before. It's happened before. Watching yourself be disrespected over the entirety of your time in the villa, which is exactly what that movie showed. And the idea that this man gets a pass because he's like, but I chose you. Oh, so all of the other shit you did behind my back. doesn't count now because you chose me. We were closed off or even if we weren't closed off, you were moving in a way that said to multiple other women, there's a shot. There's a chance. So I'm just kind of like, I just don't see a world in which you can also say all these things to

Anaya about Casey and then not take that for yourself as well. That I was like, this man is going to do it again. He's done it before. He's lied straight to your face and you see how easy it is for him. I think that's what would terrify me the most with being coupled up with sincere is the fact that your name is sincere, you're anything but. And it's like you will literally look me in the face, stare into my soul and tell me that I have placed the moon in the sky to then go make out with somebody behind my back. Just to watch how crushed Melanie was.

Like you can't take her back. She's so cute. That made me cry. Like to watch her just be absolutely broken by that. I was just like... I think it frustrated me, to be honest, because I think I've been in a similar situation where you're giving so many chances

and you're like wanting to see the best in somebody. And I'm sitting there as like the audience and I'm like wanting to yell at my screen. Like girl, stand up. Stand up right now. Like you like she was just sitting back like so meek and so like sad. Which like isn't and we've seen that. I know. We've seen the other side of her.

Yeah. But that's a different type of broken. It is. That's where I said where I was like anytime you're in a fight right where it's like if people are still willing to scream and yell, it's like you're still passionate. There's something. Yeah. when you get silent, like, that's a different type of crushed, you know what I mean? Which I would say, I would, like, if I saw that, I would think, okay, she's going to, like, this is finally going to change.

But then we see the flash forward to next episode and she's, like, yelling at sincere. So I think that it flip-flops back where I'm just, like, at this point with her where, like, I literally love her. I think she's the cutest little thing. Like, her faces are just, like, I'm like, I just adore you. You're so precious. But, like, stand up and walk away from this man, even if it means you go home because you just, like, don't deserve this. Because it's like, you're still winning. You're still, you're literally winning. Like winning Love Island isn't about winning Love Island. It's about like being a girl and

making the right decision for yourself. The boys are like collateral damage. Yeah. And I was like, even then think about Corey. Like all she had to say was this is my dream date and he made it happen in a day. So it's just like how easy it could be when somebody reciprocates and puts in that effort versus somebody who literally doesn't have to try at all and is just going to smooth talk his way back into your heart. Close it. Walls up. Well, speaking of Corey. Is it time to get to Corey? Yeah. I'm excited. Let's get into it. Hi, Corey. Welcome to the Vile Files. We're so excited to have you. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you guys for having me. Of course. How are you feeling? Feeling good. So overwhelmed with so much joy and emotion and just excited to be here and

and just talk to you guys and just excited to see what life would look like after my time on the show. We love it. Well, you got to give us the scoop. We have so many questions. Where do we want to start? Where do we want to hop in? I feel like CASA. Or previous season, you are the cousin of Daniela.

Is that right? Another CASA Girlie or a bombshell? She was season six. Yeah, she was Casa More Girl. Okay. And did she give you advice going into? Love Island? A hundred percent.

She was with me throughout the entire process. She's actually the one that, like, got me to apply for the show. I actually had applied for season seven super late because I had knew somebody on in the original cast of that season. And she was like, how do you know this person? And so she was like, they would love that. You should definitely apply. And I did.

I obviously didn't get castor for it. And then got reached out to for season eight and went through the whole process. and she was with me every step of the way. Wow. Oh, okay then. And how did it feel having your debut coming in as a Casa boy, one of 12? Yeah, it was so surreal. When they told me that I was going in as Casa, it was like, it's just a full circle moment

knowing that my cousin was also Casa. And it was just so much excitement and gratitude for being able to go on to the show and be able to have the opportunity to show the world who I am. And it was just, it was a crazy, crazy. moment. Yeah, I bet. Is there any part of you, obviously you're very grateful and I think that's so great, but is there any part of you that was, like, bummed that you weren't original cast? Because I feel like it's really hard to come in as a Casa guy or a bombshell and actually stay. Yeah, it was unfortunate hearing that I wasn't going to be an OG, but I was honestly just grateful because

there was a lot of people that don't get this opportunity. There's a lot of people that apply for the show. And so, yeah, I mean, it was, it was unfortunate, but It is what it is. I felt like the time that I had on there, I did what I needed to do in terms of showing the world who I am, representing me and my family well. I mean, I think you made such an impact in your time there. Did you have any strategy going into CASA trying to get into a relationship with one of the women? I was definitely going in there just trying to see what it's like because I know being a viewer for the past two seasons in having Danielle tell me what it's like inside the villa is two totally different worlds. So I was really just trying to go in there be super open-minded,

lead with my heart and be genuine and lead with that and see where it takes me. And if it were to lead me to leaving the villa with somebody, then I would be happy for that because that's the point of the show. That's the reason why I was going on there. Obviously, it didn't happen that way. But I was definitely excited to go in there and find my person. And it seemed like you made an instant connection with Melanie. And you obviously had a connection also with Trinity.

Can you tell us more about that? Yeah, so I was actually with Trinity night in day one. I had kissed Melanie and Trinity on day one during the day before they had made their decision. And my first conversation, one-on-one conversation was actually with Trinity. And she's a great girl. She's awesome. She knows what she wants. She is not the type of girl to settle for anything less.

We shared a bed that night and then we shared a kiss in the photo booth. I bet you all. Yeah. We definitely had some physical chemistry. history and great conversations. We had a couple of conversations before I started to really get to know Melanie, but Trinity, she's a great girl. She has so much going for her. And I really enjoyed every single conversation I had with her. Were you nervous to tell Melanie about sincere slash, do you wish you went a little harder on him when you gave her the tea?

Um, I wasn't nervous to tell. I was nervous about the conversation with her just because I I was like feeling her and I didn't know how she felt. I kind of felt like Trinity was feeling me, but Melanie was getting to know Ronnie at the time. And that's who she shared her bet with for the first day. So I was nervous about the conversation of that possibility of if feelings weren't reciprocated. And no, I don't regret on how I went about the situation. I don't think that I did more because at the end of the day, I don't want to bring another man down. I don't think that was a conversation for me to have with her to tell her everything that sincere did.

But I was just trying to get her to realize, like, you deserve better. And I want to be here to show you that better. I feel like I can be that better for you. And I've never been the type of person to want to bring someone else down to lift myself up. But I felt like it was needed for her to know somewhat of what's been going on behind her back and things like that without, you know, doing too much. I was going to say, I think you executed that perfectly. I don't feel like you ever felt like gossipy. Yeah.

No. No, it felt like you were just like, hey, you deserve better. And when you did the picnic, yeah. Okay. So sweet. That's that's bare minimum treatment. Thank you. Exactly. Yeah. That's just a normal day. Are you currently watching? Are you caught up to speed with movie night? I did. I haven't seen the episodes that I was featured in, but I came home. My sister, she loves the show. So she was like, I'm caught up. You better get. on the train while it's still moving. So I skipped a couple of episodes and I watched movie night and it was a good episode to

say that it was very interesting to see. How did it feel watching movie night and seeing Melanie react in real time to everything that sincere had done with soul? Man. Yeah. That must have been a lot of life. I feel for her. I really do.

Like Melanie is an amazing woman. She is so independent. She's so strong and I can see her holding on. And she knows I wasn't the only person to tell her that she deserves better. The girls were telling her that. The guys, the other CASA guys were telling her that. So it's not new news, but I know it sucks to see. And I know seeing it in front of your own two eyes hurts even more.

But I got to know Melanie in the past couple in those three or four days that I was in there. And I can see it in her eyes that she just doesn't have, she just doesn't have much left in her to continue to hold. on to what's been going on. Do you think she'll finally walk away from sincere? Or do you think they'll say together to the end? That's a great question. I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you.

She's a strong woman. I hope that whatever decision she made, she does it for her. And yeah, I wish I was, I wish I had an answer for you, but I just, you just don't know. It's hard to say. It's so hard to say. Watching all of the guys' reaction to sincere's It kind of felt as if maybe the guys were also maybe manipulated by sincere to think that Melanie was maybe overly emotional or like implied that it was, she was the problem in their relationship.

Do you kind of see any of that? Do you feel like maybe sincere has been presenting himself to the guys in a different way? I don't, I don't know. We film, there's so many hours throughout the day and there's so much that goes on and there's only so much that the public sees. And so I don't know what his conversations. start with the guys. I paid a lot of attention to the conversations that he had with Melanie because going in, she was my number one interest, you know. And so I can tell by the guy's

reactions that it was, it was kind of shocking to them as well, but I don't know where that can stem from. And again, for them, it's probably different to see it up close and in their face compared to like what they may hear whispers around the villa. That's so true. When you were standing up there and they were doing the recoupling before the guys came in from CASA. Did you have any inkling that you were going home or did you think because of a date and you guys, you guys shared a kiss and stuff, which I feel like that was a huge step for her. Did you think you were staying or what was the vibe? So leading up to it, I had the day for her that day.

It was a great date. Throughout the villa, like I wasn't trying to push myself onto her. I was kind of just trying to be there for her, show her who I am, what I can do for her and just let her break those walls down and be able to get to the point where she would want to get more physical and more intimate with me. And so when we had that date, it was great. You know, we did share a couple of kisses within that date. And I can't, I would be lying to you off. I sat there and said I was fully confident.

I know throughout the entire time she was thinking about her other connection. And, but I also knew that, that she had feelings towards me and that I made her feel good. But leading up into the ceremony. we were sitting next to each other. And, you know, she was, we and me and her kept making eye contact. You know, she was giving me good signs and a little bit of, I maybe have been looking into it, but a little bit of reassurance, you know, like touching my hand and like touching my arm a little bit.

And, you know, and I just think that's who she is. I think that we had finally got to that point to where we can kind of like be a little bit more touchy-feely. And that's kind of what went down before the fire pits. situation. And so at that moment, I felt a little bit more confident that I did leading up to it just because of the eye contact, a little bit of touching a little bit of reassurance. And then she made her decision. And we know how that went. Well, if this goes the way that I'm hoping it does, if post-villa, she came out, is the

door still open if she wanted to reach out? Yeah, yeah. I definitely, I said on an episode that there was unfinished business. I think that she owes me a conversation as well as I would her conversation as well just to see where her head is at, where my head is at. I would definitely love to have a conversation with her. She's amazing. And I genuinely did feel a connection with her that I would be open to explore. But I'm just not someone that like once you realize you messed up, you can run to. You know, I have I have boundaries. I have morals as a man. And I'll have my girls will be up for sure. But, but I still stand on. I think she's amazing. I would love to have another conversation with her and just kind of see how it goes.

Very nice. And I'll love to hear it. I'm going to split this script a little bit. Watching everything go down on movie night with Casey and Anaya, what was your reaction to watching everything play out? Watching everything, seeing everything, his, I don't know, lack of explanation. Yeah, that was a lot as well. I've had so many conversations with Anaya and my time in there. She was helping me navigate my journey with Melanie. I was helping her navigate her journey with Casey and Carl. before coming in, I told me, like, I genuinely do love what you and Casey have built, but Carl's a great guy. And I think that you should bring him back.

And I was pretty much just telling her, as well as I told Melanie, the decision doesn't have to be core or sincere Carl or Casey. It's do y'all think that y'all can give us, me and Carl, more time to come in and show y'all if we can possibly be better for y'all than y'all's previous connection? So seeing that, she's such a nice girl. Anaya is such a nice girl. And you can see that she just cares for everybody else. And me seeing that coming into the villa, I just wanted to be the ones to be there for hers. I feel like from what we see is she's always hearing someone else's issue

and she's always giving out someone else advice. And again, you don't know what you see in the 24 to 36 hours. You only see an hour out of those days. But I wanted to go into the villa and say, hey, and I, like, I'm here for you. If you just want to talk, if you just want to cry, whoever you're talking about, let me be that person. I just want to be that person for you. And it was hard to see. It was hard to see her visibly upset.

I think that that situation needed more communication. But I know it's hard for her to see. And I know the type of girl she is and I know her her. Yeah. I'm curious. I don't know if you guys get to talk at all, the CASA guys. But obviously Carl got brought back by America because I think everyone is just rooting so hard for Anaya. Did you get any scoop, even if it was just walking from the villa to the cars?

Like, how was Carl feeling? And, like, what do you want to see from him moving forward now that he's back in the villa? There wasn't really much conversation after us getting dumped. We went in and had a conversation. That's when we were informed that someone was going to go back in. Okay. And when that was said to us, everybody kind of looked at me in that moment. And everybody assumed that it was going to be me.

Because even Carl, like, everybody in the villa, they didn't just see me and Melanie's connection. They felt it. Trinity included. Me and Trinity had a conversation and she felt it. She saw it in our temperature's rising challenge. And so everybody just assumed that I was going to be the one to go back in because we saw how Melanie handled the situation was sincere and everybody was kind of surprised

on her decision. And so I was the only person I was like, Carl, you actually also might go in because you were in the same boat as well as Anaya is now single. But we didn't get to have a conversation just because we didn't know who was going in at that time. But what I was hoping was I just want to call to go back in there and kind of go about it the way I would. Like have that conversation, but like realize that you weren't chosen. You get what I'm saying. So don't go back in there and forget everything that happened.

Now, I love that he's exploring Anaya. I love that they're being able to rekindle things and figure it out. But go in there with a little bit of your morals and your values and say, hey, I'm not no one second option. and stand up for yourself because he's such a nice guy. He's such a great guy. And he deserves the world. And I hope that an eye can give that to him. I love that.

You seem to have a good head on your shoulders with all these, like, having these strong morals and these values. I love to see it. Melanie really owes you that conversation. I know. We wish you could have had more time in there. You were so great. Me too.

Me too. I appreciate that. That means a lot. We have a couple rapid fire questions to ask you real quick. Let's do it. Okay. Biggest game player girl and guy Oh fuck

Biggest game player Damn That's a good one I gotta think about it Y'all said this was Raffing But I got to really sit and think about it I would probably say And I love her

She's such a good girl She really is But just based on her track record I would say Kenzie Yeah Yeah. She is great. And I think she's exploring, but like it, it doesn't, it doesn't, you know. It's not reading while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't hate the player. Hate the game. And guy. I mean, we saw a movie night. Y'all know what I'm going to say. You know, I don't, I don't feel like I got to say.

Y'all everybody knows what the deal is with that situation. Absolutely. Your favorite couple? My favorite couple, Trinity and Bryce. Of course. Any hot takes? Cooking breakfast is fun. Oh, that's a good one.

Like, we had so much fun cooking breakfast and bring it up to them and like how happy it makes the girls when you bring it to them is like a highlight every day. It's like it's such a main conversation in the villa and it's such like a stamp in the villa. And so, yeah, making breakfast is fun. It's not a, it's not a chore. It's a privilege. That is the cutest answer. Okay. And who do you think is winning?

I would love, honestly, I would love to see Carlin Anaya. Oh. Okay. And then my last question, which relationship has the best chance outside the villa? That's a good one, too. Oh, wow. I would also say Carl and Anaya. Okay.

Well, thank you so much, Corey, for taking time out of your day to talk to us. No, it's a privilege to be able to be able to be. to conversate with y'all and thank you guys for having me and y'all's time absolutely that's been an absolutely pleasure when i found out i was so excited and i was looking forward to it i was like it's just great i was like i was like this is just wow i appreciate you thank you so much big fans have a good time bye thank you guys take care you as well thank you oh my god corey um the cutest human being of all the time i'm literally obsessed i wish we had more screen time from him if we get another vote to send him back ladies gentlemen we have to lock in yeah let's bring corey back

and melany a girl when you get out of the villa slide in the dms hey but respectfully because because he's not anyone's second choice so you're gonna have to earn that back and like be just really you know yeah it sounds like it's worth it because he understands what bare minimum means yeah and the way that he was just like yeah bare minimum and the breakfast line it's a privilege i'm like oh my gosh Unprompted, by the way. I've never heard a man say what a privilege it was to make breakfast for his chosen one. It's like, yeah, that is how you should talk about the woman you love. And he's just so grateful.

You can tell so many good things are going to come to this person because anyone with that much gratitude in their heart, I'm like, good things are coming your way. He deserves it. All right. That was awesome. We got to get to these nannies. Should we chat some nannies? We got to talk to the nannies. I'm a big fan.

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Crackus. I love a cracker. I love a cracker, James Fonda. Secondhand embarrassment for... Joe Ellen. Arula. Well, Joe Ellen

until Jo Allen was like, listen, I know I'm a little crap. I don't know I have nothing going on in my life and it's like, well, you said it. As long as she owned it,

it was like, okay. Here's the thing about Joe Ellen, her hobby is being an investigative journalist. Like many of the women who love Bravo, what Joe Ellen would be

on the Reddit boards. The way she kept pulling out her phone at different moments. Are we sure about that? It's like finally... Are we sure about that? And I do...

Hopefully everyone watching who is on the Bravo Reddit boards like finally feel seen by now. No, I say this with love because I love Joelle and bit Homegirl. You didn't... Like, a smidge little too much. Like, until, honestly, until Brian kind of like

threw it into the trash, I was like, Jobele and you look like insane right now. Like Kelsey, for example, pulling out the like the loan. How somebody pays a mortgage? It's like, who is a fuck? You all know too much about each other. Why are you're obsessed?

You are. You're literally obsessed. The divorce timeline that Joellen was trying to draw. Like, I know at the end, I know by the end, she was correct. But, like, her just being like, so were you or were you not married? And I'm like, okay, you're just hammering into Rula at this point. I get it. But I'm also, like, think of, like, the community.

Like, the whole opening of the show is talking about how everyone is intertwined in each other's life since, like, two years old. I know your mom. I know your cousins. Like, I'm like, this is exactly what happens without a camera probably in most of these homes. Are you saying that Joellen's Rula's number one fan? Number one fan. Yeah. Or Brian's.

number one fan. Listen, you don't invest a great deal of time on things you don't care about. Let me play devil's advocate for Joellen for just one moment. I don't think it's that she's so obsessed with Rula or Brian. I think it's that she was like bringing this information up and then she was kind of like gaslit because Rula was not willing to own it. I mean, it's a little different from Joeline because it is literally her job as a housewife to like be dramatic and look up herself.

I'm just like, so you let Joellen, and I say this with love again, you let her come on with her receipts but didn't let Ruehl and. Rosie come on with her briefcase of receipts? I'm like, so why are we like, so we're letting it all go against the roulette? It was so cute. Can you guys get her on the show and bring the receipts? We had Rosie on. We had Rosie on.

She talked about the receipts. Bring the suitcase. Yeah. I don't think Andy might have been a little, a little, like, you know, traumatized from like Summer House reunion and people walking off for like how everybody. The fake walk off was a little bit weird, but he said we're talking about you. If I, if you walk off, I can't ask questions about yourself. I can imagine, like the Rula.

Like she was backed into a corner. If you come on as a housewife, especially full-time housewife, not a friend of, get your ducks in a row. I mean, sure. If someone is going to, if you've got skeletons in your closet, if it's not season one, it will be season two. If you sign up for season three. So I'm just like, to Andy's point, and he asked her multiple times. You're right.

You came on this show while your husband, while knowing your husband was mid-affair. The second Brian said 2013, I was like, okay. What did I find so astonishing about Brian other than his? his outfit choice. Also, I think Ashley and Jerry were the best dressed. Blue's a hard color to not look like you're going to prom. It's the warmest color.

It's the color of blue. But outside of his teal suit, he's not even a good liar. Yeah. He's like so bad at it. It's legal and it's like you're not getting sued for having an affair. It's almost endearing how bad he is at lying

if he weren't like doing it so often. It was the Chanel purse specifically. It was like, I can't answer that. It's like you can't say whether you bought her or Chanel purse. I'm like, no, I don't own that bag. Your husband spent $40,000 on a gift for a mistress. Why are we not turning around upset with him? Here's the thing about Jo Ellen and why I do.

I am Team Joe Ellen in this scenario is because it, yes, she is coming off as if she is doing a bit too much. However, I agree that she has been gaslit by, you have all of the evidence. You have receipts. You have proof. You have timeline. You have screenshots. You have fucking. everything to prove that this guy is cheating on your friend.

And then you tell your friend and your friend is mad at you in trying to make you seem like a liar. And then Joe Ellen's like, she's got some trauma, right? She obviously pops off a bit. Like she's going to see red and be like, no, I am right. Yes. And at least. And at least she's right. She's like, don't mind my name.

Your husband's a piece of shit. Unlike her, like Kelsey, Kelsey just seems to be making up stories and willing to die in a hill of like a rumor that has no proof no proof no legs the coach yeah it's so like it's so nasty to make that shit up i don't like i don't like i don't i just feel like joellen feels as if she's been recruited because at one point real it'd say well i want to see if there's evidence i want to see but i i feel like she's going to take that personally and be like great i will do some searching and digging and then when she brings it up it's a passion project i'm just I don't think there's anything altruistic about it, but I definitely think it's you called me a liar.

I'm going to prove myself. But I say all this with truly I love Rula. Like I literally think she's so sweet. I actually feel like I'd be friends with her in real life. And I love Joellen on the show. I don't know that I'd be friends with Joelan because I don't want anybody in my business if I'm being honest. But I will be friends with Rula. But I also am like, what?

She's too nosy. She's too nosy. She's too nosy. But I like her on my screen, but I would probably be friends with Rula in real life. You know what I mean? So I'm like, I'm rooting for Rula. I just need her to like stand up a little, I think. I think I would rather,

Nick actually question for you. You are running Rhode Island Housewives and Rula is your employee. She comes in for her. As a cast member? As a cast member, right? You're in charge. And Rula is.

I'm show running. You're show running. You're show running. Rula is only in a couple episodes because she keeps faking being sick because of the drama her storyline is causing. They all raised their hands and said she was sick. I actually.

Well, stress and do. stress-induced. But also it's like, as like, how would you as the showrunner of this feel that she is now not in episodes because she is too stressed out by the storyline that she can't deal with?

This is, it's risk versus reward, it's upside versus downside. And like, Rula was a part of the most interesting storyline of this season. And regardless of her unavailability, when she was available,

it was captivating. And like in sports, like the greater the talent, the greater the leash, the greater the, you know, the more you put up with, you know. If you're going to be dramatic, if you're going to be a pain in the butt to work with, if you're going to be unavailable, you better be fucking good when you do show up on the field, so to speak. I think she is allowed to do things or not do things based off of when she does show up. It's awesome.

I just got a flashback into Brian changing his detail of I geled my hair, not my son's hair. And that's why the ring is in the car. Yeah. Oh my gosh. His ability to be talked about, like, in front of him and his lack of embarrassment is embarrassing. It's the inability. You're welcome for giving you guys a storyline this season. And I was like, because you're a pig.

Yeah. Sorry. Well, then they finally got to the conclusion that he was cheating on her through filming and then stopped after. Again, it was like, how many smoking guns need to, he's a cheater. I respect Rula for trying to protect her marriage. And I think that's where I'm just like, love you, Joellen, but like, send it in an evening. That's when, you know, like, I don't think we need to, like, flame her on TV because now Rula's having to, like, still protect her marriage, but in a way that she looks bad. Yeah.

But also, at the same time, this is lying to you. That's where I'm like, I feel like, I, like, he, oh, yeah. And let's not forget about that. Yeah. Yeah. He tracked her, which is fully illegal. But now the kids are seeing all the details. You know what I mean?

Like, the kids could have just, like, not known. Okay. And I have an issue with that. But that's what Joel is fault. I'm like, I understand that it's a sad thing for the kids he should never have done in the first place. I mean, true. So for you to be messy. Yeah, see, and then it's all of a sudden everyone else's fault because you got found out or got caught. Yeah, then you should never have done that to affect your children in the first place.

Also, it's like, don't go on the show. Exactly. If you don't need the money. If you don't need them sign the contract, go on the show. Kelsey is X, yeah. X that's dating 500 other people. That was interesting, actually. That I'm like, he chose not to come on the show.

Even then, he's still being talked about. There's nothing to prevent that from happening. But like, the rumor about the Hula's husband still would have come out most likely either way of whether or not he signed up or not. But it's like, don't come on a show. if you're sitting here doing shady fucking shit. Also, his mistress is like up the wazoo commenting on like every post. That's what I've seen too. She said it's not on the internet what you're looking for.

It's all in my phone. I've got screenshots and I'm just like, I don't feel bad for Brian at all. You did this. Is anyone interested in what she has to say? Who? The other one? I feel like Joe Ellen gave us enough receipts that I'm just like, I don't really need to hear from her. But I mean, if she did post something, I wouldn't not look.

Well, not to mention she knows. She knows that Rula is married. She knows that Rula has a family. Like, I don't know. Whatever Brian told you or didn't tell you the fact that she is out there trying to justify or validate her experience. Where, like, there's no version of this where you're not like the icky one. Yeah. Unless you're going to make good TV and are going to be another friend of, I don't care.

Or unless you also are married to Brian. I don't think we need her. I love to know how this multiple marriage crossover situation. We don't need her on Rhode Island. I just think that would be like, yeah. It's giving me a Han Summerhouse. It's like we moved on. We don't need it.

Speaking of the summer house, we didn't talk about it on Monday, but on Monday it was announced that Amanda is not going to be back. Not really a surprise to anyone. I feel like in the city. I mean, honestly, she didn't really want to go. She didn't want to party anyways. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that bed will have a new bugging it. It also sounds like Ben's not back. It sounds like KJ's not back. It sounds like Sierra's going to be making appearances, but not a full time. That's what I saw at least. I'm not sure. She'll be popping. It's like a very Lindsay.

Popping in and out. Lindsay Hubbard. Yeah. And Lindsay's coming back though, right? And Carl. That, again, this is, this, we're, we're basing this all off of speculation. Speculation and a Bravo insider. So this may or may not be true, allegedly.

I just need them to put Carl on in the city. That's all I need. I think Carl going to Summer House again, I'll watch it no matter what. Love him. But I'm just like, he just makes sense for the cast. I think we get rid of some of the cast. members and storylines we don't care about. There's the, with Garvey, what's his name?

There's the, who's supposed to be the fraud of, how old's Carl now these days? How old's Carl? I guess it would be 40, but I don't know. Forty-two? I mean, I say this as someone who, you know, met my wife when I was in my early 40s. It starts getting weird going out. I want to see Carl, like, running events at soft bar.

I want to see him dating in the city. I want to see him at, like, function. Adult dates. Yeah, like, that's what I want to see. Not Lemon Girl. And they have, like walking up to the girl in the costume, being like, oh, the yoga girl. You're a slow. They want to make up? Yeah. You know. That's her it's like, it just, they have that guy that runs the bar and he has no partner. All he does is get involved in Kenny and Whitney's drama. And it's just like, why is this person on the cast? Lindsay and Carl have made up. And honestly watching that on social media, outside of any filming of a show, has been awesome to watch. So I'm like, let me see that energy, that chemistry on in the city.

Also, it's like Carl has grown so much. Let us see his growth. Yeah, like, as much as I love them trying to make Carl and Bailey happen, like, it would have happened by now. Like, I don't need to watch another will they, won't they season of them living together. Like, I just really want Carl thriving in the city and let's, like, hump up his business. What couples don't work for you on the city? Honestly, most of them.

I hate to say it. And I'm like, and this is no disrespect. It was like, obviously love Lindsay, love Kyle and the Amanda dissolving of their relationship. but like, Avon moments, okay, love her with Lindsay, but even then she's kind of oversteps a lot. I'm like, Whitney and Kenny, we don't know you well enough to care like about a lot of these in-depth, like Kenny's being reintroducing. That's not their fault.

I mean, again, like part of it, we have the scumanda of it all. So like we're, you know, it just takes time to get to know these cats. But what I'm saying is that it's like, it's the same thing like when we're watching a season in the bachelor sometimes and then it's like everybody eye rolls when it's the in-depth conversation about my childhood trauma and it's just like, well, you just met last week. This is a lot. And that's kind of how it feels where it's like all of a sudden I'm supposed to care about Kenny. And I'm like, and this sounds terrible and I don't mean it to.

But I'm just like, again, I don't know you well enough to be involved in like your relationship. And then the next storyline is you being reunited with your re-united with your father. And it's like, I just don't know you well enough. It just kind of feels like I'm talking to that girl that's like, hey. It is a pretty, it is a pretty interesting. Yeah. We just met in the bathroom. Yeah, it is a pretty interesting thing of like when you have reality TV shows when you're in there for the first season.

and immediately, like a very personal, very intimate storyline gets brought up before the audience has time to kind of understand you. I mean, we already have to cast me know. Yeah, and so I wonder if that puts you at more of a disadvantage or more of an advantage compared to other new cast members. I guess people are very resistant to change. Anytime we've had a new voice on the show, we have people in the audience being like, who the fuck is that?

You know, like... Girl, you don't have to tell me. Yeah. You don't tell me. But like it just takes some time to like invest in characters and you have to tell people's stories. But that's why I think Housewives does it right because it's like you introduce us to somebody as a friend of that we're not surprised when they get brought on as a full time or they come back twice. But it's like we're not in their immediate space where I'm just like I do feel like having a cast of people that we've been following for 10 years that we actually are invested in. And then having an entire cast that we haven't met yet. So we get 10 minutes of the cast.

We're invested in 40 minutes of cast members. We don't know. It's kind of hard to be invested in their stories when we're just like, oh, my God, put Lindsay back on the screen. So you would have just basically in this, if you had it in the city your way, it would have been just more Kyle, more Amanda, probably some West, maybe get a cameo from Sierra, more you would want to Carl. And then maybe drip some of these other friend groups. I think Avon and the friends like, yeah, like going out to girls nights and like liking their person. kind of getting interested in them. That's more interesting to me than me being like in Kenny and Whitney's apartment and him

moving in and him saying snide remarks and me being like, all right, hate this guy. You know what I mean? It's like you're not really giving me an opportunity to get to know this person. Then all of a sudden it's either like I'm in their immediate business or I'm watching you act a certain way that I'm just not down with. Did you watch West's whiteboard? Yes, I did the whiteboard. I loved it.

I thought it was entertaining, but I was like, yeah, I mean, great move in the sense of, hey ask the people that are still going to like come down hard on you quote unquote but then also like give us nothing and like he gave more information than he did that was basically west's reunion well yeah he confessed to the fact that they were doing everything but before that statement so i was like that's definitely some tea yeah but we had a very spirited discussion mary jason and i on vile files plus if you're interested the tea is cold it's all i gotta say that's what yeah justin was unimpress like i said he i said he said much but not more like his friends said everything.

He just sat there. Listen, it was, I really like his friends. I don't know who they are. They're hilarious. But sometimes you get part of, a big part of interfering, almost all of it is like making your person you want to interview feel comfortable. And like clearly, you know, say what you want. Obviously, Wes and a man didn't feel comfortable.

And I like that his friends, like they really gave them some shit. Like a good group of guy friends would give their guy shit. And I just, to me, was like, yeah, this is a really selfish guy who was probably as a lot of growing up to do. Probably not a narcissist. I think it proved your point that he's stupid. I mean, he kind of said that where he's like, I'm not as calculated. I think you just don't think about anyone. I think he's just really inconsiderate and doesn't think things through very allah sincere. And again, you know, I think he is, I think it's embarrassing how immature he is socially as a 30-year-old man. I think that's a fair

Curtis of West. And I think that's more than just like he's pathy. You know, since I think he's just like, I think when the friend was like, do we think that that was showcasing emotion or emotionless?

And he was like, no, there was emotion. He goes, no, wrong, wrong. No, they roasted it on the middle, I don't know,

just from male relationships and the friendships I have. I mean, I think West probably got more out of that in terms of like actually seeing how he moved. and being called out from these guys, then he got out from, you know, a bunch of fans just, like, calling him names.

I think you're right about that. And, but the thing is, that's what pisses me off about West the most. Is because, like, at the end of the day, West absolutely is the type of guy that, like, once his boys tell him he did,

he fucked up, then he'll acknowledge that he fucked up. Well, he did acknowledge. He doesn't, like, he didn't grow up with sisters. He doesn't, he doesn't sound like a lot of women friendships. Okay, boohoo.

So do a lot of guys. Like, I think it's like, it's not. And a lot of those guys, I mean, again, we are literally watching Love Island and we are watching, like, sincere is a blueprint of West Wilson, just a younger version. Yeah. And I agree with that. Show me the difference. And I think it's like West isn't.

And I agree with your take. Is there a lot of them? Yes. I completely agree with your take that there are a bunch of guys like this. And I just, yeah, it's not a fucking excuse to. I'm not saying excuse. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm not saying you are. I'm more just saying it to those guys. that it goes on a lot. To those guys, it's not a fucking excuse. Learn to talk to a woman and hear her and listen to her and like acknowledge that she exists outside of like being a sexual object. I don't know. And I don't think that like West went home from that interview and was like, damn, I really

have a lot to think about. Like I think it was just like, okay, cool. This is like. Yeah. I think this was like a good book for him. It seems like he's taking his like public beating or whatever while still maintaining zero accountability. But then it's like, okay, now that I've put myself through that, then I can move on

with my day because at least like people heard some more answers or me speak or like the questions are answered for me. I mean I love Melanie's line on Sunday. Like he uses a apologies for a band-aid. It's so good. It was such a good line. Man, Melanie ate down. Yeah. I love her.

She's fantastic character. She's awesome. She's awesome. I'm just so curious to see what they're going to end up doing with my favorite Bravo show, Summerhouse for this upcoming summer. Yeah. I'm equally parts nervous. It's excited as preparing my expectations.

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It's O-D-O-O-O-O-com. Well, welcome, ladies. How are you? I'm fascinated by the show. It's a young father of soon-to-be-three girls under three. Yes, he and nanny. We're good. We're good.

Yeah, Nick, would you trust the crew? What? Would you trust the crew? This crew? Yeah, this crew were anyone from the crew. I have questions. I mean, I figured you would. It is a reality TV show.

I did see your former boss, Zane. Oh, yeah. Talk about, that was kind of a funny clip where he was like, she quit and then. I told him, I was like, I'm going on to bigger and better things. I just feel it in my soul. And were you nannying then?

I was babysitting then. Okay. So I've always been at, like, I've always kept kids, like I always have a bunch of families in L.A. where I babysit for. So I was working for him as his assistant. Okay.

And I just felt like there was something bigger. I mean, we had the pleasure of talking to the creators of this show. But I'm just curious from your lady's perspective, like, how did this come together? Because I am very fascinated by it. For one, obviously, I think childcare in the influencer space, or just child care in general is obviously like a very sensitive topic for parents. Like parents just like, they're, you know, they're passionate about their kids. And there's always a lot of opinions about it. So I, I'm just like fascinated that there's a show that centers around how parents choose to elect for

child care and how did this all come to be and what were your lady's history was being a babysitter or nanny. We knew each other through like nanny talk and social media and this idea came to lay, I want to say a year and a half ago where she had the idea, wanted to go and start this travel agency and, you know, there's a community of us like online and then yes. So it is tricky when it comes to, you know, working with the kids and then being online. So for a lot of us, like my previous families never wanted the kids to be, you know, on TikTok, on Instagram or any of that, which totally understand. I feel like that's... Was that something you would have to ask? Like, would you ask? Would you say, hey, yo, I like, I have a bit of a following and I, with other

families I post. Are you comfortable with that? Yeah, of course. That was always something I cleared. And, you know, they would say don't get the kids faces in it. But like if you're, you know, walking around the house and you're in the house and you're cooking like that's that's one thing but i think for me i i actually was just posting we were on a trip in the hamptons and i made this dumb compilation of like a cool car and a cool house and like this like restaurant we were staying at and i put like day in the life as a high profile nanny and i posted it as a joke you thinking like nothing was going to come of it i had like two followers and i woke up with like 500k views on it and i was like holy shit what the fuck we're onto something because well also i was working for a

profile family so I was like am I allowed like is this okay and I think as long as I was kind of showing things after the trips or not even directly posting the kids then it was fine but I think once the kids saw my content they were like Leah's blowing up on TikTok could we be a part of it and then they did one video with me and that's kind of when all my stuff took off and how did you guys choose Ibiza is that more of a production no that's like the celebrity hotspot right now I was seeing like Jeff Bezos on yachts and I was seeing like duelipa now that she has kids but like all the celebrities were going there so just high season so it made sense yeah and so like and I didn't realize there was like a market for like party parents who need like secondary like it's almost because

like you guys aren't like are you like if they need more nannies they hire you in a visa because they're going to the parties or something like how does that work I mean like the whole travel agency thing like some families have their full time nannies but then they need some to go and travel with them. So like, for example, my friends are in a visa right now. I know a few nannies over there. One of my friends hit me up and she was like, hey, like, do you have any nanny friends over there? Like, their full-time nanny isn't with them. They need someone so they, the parents can go out at night. And like, it's just like a whole network of us. Yeah. So I'm curious, did you get your plug with Hulu based on some of your like previous employers? And like, like having the agency is one thing, but then to have a whole show about it. Like, did somebody approach you or did you know, somebody and then they were like this is a good idea for a show how did it come to be yeah i was approached and then i kind of told them my dream of starting my own agency okay and i was like and i know like in my community of nanny talk so we kind of just got all got it together and yeah i was really excited okay did you guys have any fear that there wouldn't be enough drama like you guys are all very professional

so when when they're going through the resumes and stuff i'm like okay these are like you got to be clean cut even like both of you all having tattoos like that was a topic of discussion for some of the families where it's like, oh, your arms need to be covered. Like, that is so bizarre to me to have that strict of rules. But did you have any fear that there wasn't going to be drama because you're also professional? Honestly, I thought that there was more drama than expected. Like I was just I thought going into there was going to be nine. I was like, we're all nanny's and professional. Yeah. But I mean, when you put eight people in a house together, no one knew anybody, it was like, okay, that kind of was. There was way more drama than expected.

Yeah. Yeah. I was shocked. And you guys didn't see the half of it. Speaking of drama, Leah, you did the, like, what I feel like would be the cardinal sin of nannies. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but, like, you had an intimate relationship with a father of a family? Single father. I'm on your side, though. A single father. I'm on your side. It's a single father, and I would like to clear it up.

Basically, this was a friend of mine. His daughter was in town. She was grounded. He asked me to do a favor for him. I actually don't work for him. He's a friend of mine, single. And as he came home from his night out or whatever, it just felt like hanging out with a friend again. again.

His fault. We've been talking about this this week, actually. Position of power. There's a hierarchy. But there was no affair. No, there was no affair. And I think the crazy part for me, too, is this is something that happened when I first moved to Los Angeles.

I was 22, I think, and now I'm 31. So the fact that this story even came out, as you saw it, it was like on our nanny cams. So in our rooms, I wasn't even thinking we were being filmed. But you guys hooking up? No, no. No, I was talking about this. Me and Liv were in her bedroom.

And this was caught on a nanny cam. It was just kind of one of those moments I was sharing with the friend. Not even thinking. And then all of a sudden, you know, it blew up. Yeah. Did you, so, and you were the one that then shared it, right? Yes. I'm sure you, like, regret because y'all are really close.

Oh, my God. Of course. Like, there were conversations on and off camera that we had where I was like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. Yeah. But at the same time, like, there was a lack of context, I think, given. Again, people were like, oh, you sneaked your friend. Leah and I were not friends at the time.

Like this was somebody that I knew through social media and we were acquaintances through social media. So, you know, when your boss kind of pulls you and is like, oh, I slept with a dad and no context was given. I was like dumbfounded. Yeah. And then you told Taylor? I, okay. She told Hannah and Taylor. And then.

Taylor told her everybody. Taylor told the families. Taylor told Nicola. Okay. That I want to talk about that because to me, God love her. But that felt way out of line. For sure. For people who are worried about the reputation,

everybody's wanting jobs. Yes. Like to know that each person has to pay $3,000 to live in this house, that's a steep price for the house. And to know that you guys might not get jobs if this gets out for her to go to Nicola. I was shook. Well, and that's what I was worried about Taylor in the beginning anyway,

because I know that she doesn't necessarily have the high profile experience. And, you know, just... Does she have common sense? Apparently not. You know, you tell us. What do you think? I mean, you know, it's not my world. And I know that she felt like she was, I mean, I feel like I'm close with my employers as well,

but there's also, there's a line. And like, as we're, you know, trying to build this agency, I feel like the last thing she should have done was sit down with Nicola. And it just felt like she was trying to defer from her, like, loandoing, watching it. Just to play does advocate for fun because I like to do it. Yeah. But, like, if you're interviewing for a job. Yeah.

Let's say I'm like, hey, I need a nanny. Yeah. And my wife is like, yo, listen. I heard you slept with someone you worked for. Like, obviously they weren't in a relationship. He was single. Do you think it's fair for a couple to find that behavior to be like, I'm not so sure? Or are you more like, he was single.

It's like it's apples and oranges. I think that my experience kind of has spoken for itself. I've grown so much since that point. And of course, you guys are entitled to your own opinions about me. And especially for whatever your family's needs are or whatever. But I think that if that's something you heard and I explain myself, it's up to you guys to, you know, decide my character if that works for you. And do you feel like Taylor was, I guess I'm assuming you feel like Taylor wasn't doing

necessarily to protect that family, but just to be. To be malicious almost is what it felt like watching it. Because that's the first time. I mean, I knew she said it, but just watching it and how it was done. Yeah. Do you regret bringing Jack into the fold? No, not at all. Jack's an amazing manny.

Okay. was I angry at the way he went about things for sure, but there were so many conversations that unfortunately didn't make it with me and Jack where I feel like towards the end I really understood him. But yeah, I don't regret bringing him, no. What would you have done differently if you could do it all over again? Okay. I feel like I feel like I probably would really draw the line between business and friendship.

I think I got too comfortable too fast. With sharing, you know, intimate details about myself or, you know, just not really taking it as seriously as I should have from the beginning. I think you saw episode one. Like, I was the first person to get drunk, you know. And as a boss, I mean, as a boss, I could see why everybody was, you know, a little nervous or skeptical about what they all dropped their lives to be there for. Yeah. For me, I would say what I would do differently is just knowing, you know, keeping my mouth shut. Yes.

I mean, yeah, things have changed now. And now, Lee and I are super close. We live with each other. So, like, things have, you know, completely changed. And we both know that going. Yeah. We have to ask, who are you guys working for in L.A.? Because you're both local now.

Yes. So I actually moved here because I'm now working for the three dads. So Mitchell got offered the job. Okay. On the show. People saw that. And then he ended up declining. And so I was coming out a lot for stuff, like confessionals for the show.

and they were like, live, like, do you want to work for us full time? And I was like, duh, I've always wanted to live in L.A. So I had extra bedroom, so I'm like, it only makes sense. Yeah. And so I was staying with Leah. Are you straightening a lot? Oh my God, all the time. Of course. I just went and got Botox with them like two weeks ago. Love that. Oh, yeah. She fits right in. Yeah. I really do. So, I mean, no, it's, it's been amazing. And then I was looking at places like by myself over here. And Leah was like, no, like, we're already just so close. We have like a little family together with our dogs. And so it just made sense.

Has being on the show or not being aired in any way negatively affect any nanny opportunities with potential clients? I feel like I'm fortunate right now enough to be working for a high profile family who can we know who. I can't say who. But they do know my character and they've watched the show and, you know, they're very supportive of me. Are they high, like, are they like entertainers? What do they do? They're entertainers. Okay.

Yeah. They're entertainers. Did they enjoy watching the show? They did enjoy watching the show. And I feel like they just know me. And parts of it, I mean, again, that edit, it's me. I'm learning. I'm, you know, trying to grow this business.

And I feel like I've learned so much through that process. And, you know, there was, unfortunately, conversations that were missed. And I think a lot of my comments are like, Leah doesn't take accountability. It's like, I did. I had conversations with Nicola about this trying to clear the air so the rumor didn't keep spreading. I have conversation with Bregan even about it. And so, you know, just unfortunately, there's just so much that happened. It's just some things had to be cut. I feel like you probably can't say this, but I'm going to say it. But I want to say,

you going to the fans of the G's, right, where you went, you go into them and being super honest about what happened. It was very respectful. And it was like a good example of, I think, what people should do to be honest and, like, be transparent about a rumor. getting ahead of it. Like, you did the right thing. And unfortunately, I feel like you were kind of punished for it. Yeah. And I just want to say, one, you did the right thing and two. I know that you probably can't say anything. But like, I thought their reaction was absolutely wild. I did too. Honestly, I didn't expect them to react that way. Calling her the devil. Like, I can say, okay, like, you know, this doesn't align with like our family and what we stand for. They call me a dangerous lady.

And I'm like, I'm not a dangerous. I'm a devil. Like, that's the craziest thing. And it's like, you know, if a family doesn't want to go and work with the nanny or work with staff, totally fair. The staff also has the choice to say, we don't want to work with you either. And I think that their reaction was just completely unwarranted and blown out of proportion. Like they treated her, I mean, God forbid, he was married or something like that. Like, what would their reaction have been then? Like, he was a single guy and it's still for that. I was shocked by, like, their reaction. But at the same time, I mean, they treated us so poorly. And I feel like the whole time, I mean, they put Sydney in large.

scrubs they were saying she's too hot they were wackiness with plants and like that was the plant thing was crazy bizarre we were i thought she was going to take them out and throw them on the ground for us to pick up and then when she started hitting us i was like what was your familiarity with this family before you started filming them um i just do them through a client of mine so it was more like they're in a baza and they're looking for somebody so i didn't really know much about them besides they're this super wealthy family from miami i knew them because i was living in miami and they own um a business out there that's pretty big. So I knew them through there.

So when Leah said like, oh, this family's hair was like, oh. Were you more hurt by the G's or Taylor? I feel like I was more hurt by Taylor because that's somebody who is in my,

like, you know, we're here to do something. And like I felt like I was close to her in the house. And so just to, again, like it was so malicious, like feeling that she told Nicola

versus the family is entitled to their opinion, you know? And then I'm also curious, the moment that you found out that the parents knew when I think there was a passing comment of like, well, be careful because we might know your secret. Did you see my face? Yeah. I actually like couldn't hear in that moment. As soon as she said it, my heart dropped. And I was just like, because that was my fear is that it was going to start getting around.

And it did. So that really sucks. Oh, my God. And then living it with her. Well, then it was just like, who else knows? Yeah. And do they know the full story? What are people saying about me?

And then it just, yeah, I didn't know what to do. It just spiraled completely. And like, we were all sitting there and like she said it. And like just Leah's energy, like the whole, like everything shifted. I'm like even talking about it, the trauma's coming back. I know. Oh my God. That was, yeah.

I've seen some stuff online where people have questioned like, you know, as people often do with reality TV. The authenticity of the show. Yeah. For the naysairs out there who can't believe that. there are families out there that would, you know, agree to do what the show is all about. I guess what would you say to the critics out there? I mean, this, unfortunately, this was as real as it got. Like, I wish.

I think it was crying every day. I wish some things were like scripted or edited. No, like that was all real. Like the G's, like, that's how they actually act. Like, it's, it's insane. But at the same time, yes, with a lot of high profile families, some people don't want to go on reality TV, but then there's the few that do. And, you know, it's like showcasing their families, their dynamics and stuff like that. Especially the three dads, like their YouTube channel,

like their YouTube family. So they're used to being on camera. I was curious about that. Because I was like to have, because you guys all have social media presences pretty much, right? Yeah. Yeah, I was, when we first heard about the show, I was like, I can't imagine a single high profile family, like wanting an influencer nanny. Like that would be my nightmare as a parent to have my kids out there. But when it's through this context of like people, like a YouTube family. Yeah. Yeah. Or people that are like Nicola. Yeah. Like somebody like her who has like a business empire. It's like, yeah. It's kind of like good. PR. For sure. It makes so much sense. Yeah. But I just, yeah, I thought it was really interesting. I was like, I couldn't imagine the clientele and then I watched

the show and I was like, this checks out. Yeah. Yeah. Like not all families are like that. Like for me, I love working with three dads because this is the first family I can go and make family like content with. And, like, they love that the kids are on social media. The kids want to do social media when they're older. So for me, like, that's the first family where I'm, like, able to be with the kids and, you know, post them online. And, like, we do. We have so much fun doing it. Fun.

I'm about to be a father of three daughters under three. As nannies. What, what, you got any, like, hacks or. I'm like, good luck with three girls. Three girls, yeah, your girl's down. Or any secrets to the tray that you can share? You know. As a girl dad, you just got to go and treat them like princesses, literally.

For sure. So I think... I got that part cover. Oh, good. Do you guys, do you have any, like, yeah, I don't know, just like nanny hacks? Not using nail polish. No. Yeah, don't use nail polish.

I can tell you what not to do. Yeah, that was funny. Let me think on that one. Yeah, any twins? Have you guys ever nannyed twins? I feel like I'm being a first time nannying twins. And, I mean, they're older, though. So it's different.

But I've nannied baby twins. How is that? I mean, I'm just like picturing how do you manage when you're home alone? I mean, I was like a baby nurse for the twins. So it was actually really crazy because as soon as you put one twin down, the next one's up. So lots of coffee. Okay. Lots of coffee.

Definitely. Lots of coffee. If you didn't get a night nurse with your first, get one with twins. Oh, for sure. For sure. Because there will be such a lack of sleep. And even now, like the three dads, their surrogate is pregnant with their third child. And I said, I was like, listen, like the nighttime stuff, I was like, I'm already working a full shift during the day.

I was like, yeah, be supportive of your wife and anything she says is right. I remember the moms would always come to me and be like, oh, my husband is so annoying. But he won't wake up it. They won't do this. I mean, I have to ask, are you still friends with Sydney? Oh, I wanted to know that too. I have not spoken to Sydney. she has not reached out and I feel like it's not really my job

to reach out at this point but she's also making TikToks and posting what do you hope like do you if it was your choice on what direction relationship would go what would be your choice

I don't really feel like there is a friendship that could be mended there I feel like she's she already burned me once and then after the show comes out finding out that she I mean are you guys all caught up

yeah yeah she's with the Gigi It wasn't even about the Paris thing. That was like one thing. I don't think what you guys got to see too is that when they left for Paris, Jack came to me and was like, my goal here is to convince the G's that, you know, this agency is worth, you know, giving it a try again. And Leah's not a bad person. Whereas Sydney was like Paris Fashion Week. Oh, my God.

I need to overnight my trench coat. My trench coats. And I can't wait to be front row instead of coming to me and being like, hey, I understand why you're upset this, that and the other. And then to find out that she was offered a job, didn't tell. me and then worked for them and then I see it on TV with the rest of you. I think that part is what hurts the most. Yeah. You found out when we found out watching the show. So then now watching it and then stating it that I'm upset she still hasn't come to me. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. And then she's on her tick lock lies being like look at my Valentino bag. I'm like the least you could do is like

yeah reach out so just the way she went about it because her taking that job was outside of the agency and those contracts. But the problem is is like I think Leah would have been able to be like supportive as a friend saying like I get this 25k get this valentino bag like this is a great opportunity take it like she really is that type of person i would have been like i'm supportive of it yeah but the fact that it was in my opinion if you're withholding information or you're lying it's because you know that you're not going to like the reaction of the other person and so she knew what she was doing was wrong yeah and that's the thing is like the internet right now is just like oh you know you guys are being haters this that no one's understanding like the dynamic of like how close we all

all were, so it's like for you to not even tell us is just, I feel like everyone insane is feeling a little betrayed by her as well. Yeah. Can I know, are there some hotspots on the radar for next season or the next travel just now that I'm working behind the scenes. Are we confident that we're going to get another season? I mean, I would hope so. I mean, I would hope so too. I was locked in. I just know that I'm right now. Regardless of having a second season or not, I'm still working on my agency. Okay. I would hope that. Does the agency survive regardless of love of their being a season two or not. I mean, I'm in the works of it. So it's all in a personal network right now, which I would like to, you know, expand that. But you guys should go on vacation next year.

I've never been to Abiza. Well, I would like to go somewhere else. Australia? Yeah. Australia, maybe Greece, Italy. I have a couple more questions. First one being, is there anybody that you guys regret bringing to Abiza? And why is it Taylor? I was going to say Taylor, maybe. Listen, this is what I'm say about Taylor. Taylor is genuinely such a sweet person. And I don't think anything that what was seen on the show was truly done maliciously. I think from what everyone's seen, Taylor has a bunch of trauma and that she hasn't worked through. And I think that that goes and brings out the worst of people. So, you know, you saw the side of her on the show that, you know, Mitchell doesn't go and see that side of her every day versus like that's what we saw. Yeah. Do I think that she's like, she's like, a bad, horrible person? No, but does she have a lot to, like, work through and learn? Of course, but that's like anyone. We all do. But I think that she's really taken, you know, what happened last

summer and seeing like the reactions now and really, you know, working on it. Like we saw her the other day and she was like, no, like I'm in therapy. We're working on it. And so I am. I'm proud of her for, you know, at least recognizing that and acknowledging it. That's awesome. And then my other question, just for personal research, what is like the estimated salary of a high profile nanny? We can't give exact numbers. I'll say over six figures. Sold. Yeah.

It depends like on the family that you're working for. Like rhoda nannies, those are like rotational positions. So you'll be like on for two weeks, off for two weeks they have. I can even say summer salary. But like for me, I was hourly. And so every day I was going into overtime. So I was making so much in overtime. Plus when you go on vacations, it's 24 hours.

shifts so you could just do the math there yeah I love this for you yeah the lifestyle I feel I mean it's amazing like honestly working for these high profile families you get to live a life that you know is you're right there with them you're right there with them it's like the cheat code you get to go on these like glamorous vacations the bonuses the you know the gifts but I mean it's the people you're around like I've I've grown the networking yeah of people of who I've met you know wait does this okay this may be You don't have to answer this if you don't want to, but does it bleed into your, like, dating life? Like, are you around other people that are in that same world?

And, like, is it against the rules to date somebody that you meet while you're, like, on vacation with a family? And they're, like, in the same circle? I don't think so at all. Just from at least my experience, though, like, I, at this point in time, I just don't even have time to date. I was going to say, I didn't have the time to date is what it was. So, you know, it's like you're with these families 12 hours a day. I'm there from 9 in the morning to 9 o'clock at night. Like I don't have time to, you know, go and date in the days that I do have off, like the weekends.

That's my me time. Yeah. Priorities are all my 20s to work for these families. Yeah. I would have been dating on the weekends. It would have been like, who can I meet while I'm here? I mean, I was going, though. But like when I was on vacation, I didn't get off days.

So I wasn't even getting an opportunity to date while I was there. Yeah. Yeah. I will say like when we're able to take personal time though and like we're going out and like going and traveling and stuff, like, oh my God. Then that's a different story. But, okay. Fun.

You know, you saw it on the show. We work hard, but we play harder. Love that. Oh, that reminds me of one thing that I, on episode one, you guys were all like, we get to nanny whenever we want to. Is that, that felt inaccurate. I think what was met was like travel nannying. You're able to decide when you want to go and pick up, you know, work versus working

with a family full time. Like, okay, no. Working with a family full time. You cannot pick. Whatever. We're like, yeah. You can't pick, but when you're traveling with families, like, okay, this family needs a nanny. I'm going to go to Greece because I want to go to Greece this week.

But, okay, I'm not going to stay for the three weeks that they're there. I'm going to go back home. And, like, you're making good money off the time. Yeah, just to just know I'm going to be a stricter boss next time around. Okay. Less is sliding, right? Well, ladies, thanks for coming. It's a wild show.

Congratulations on the show. Thank you. We're rooting for a second season. Me too. You want to get more eyeballs on this. I was hoping there'd be more releases. I was like, wait, is there more? Like, it was too soon.

I need more already. Yeah, that's what a lot of people are. Do you think it would be harder to find the families after the first season? Because, like, how, depending on how, like, people, like, thought of the G's type of thing? I think that it's, again, it's hit or miss. There's always someone out there wanting to be on.

There's always someone out there. And also, I'm not even kidding. Like, my personal network that I've just, you know, made throughout working in this industry is, like, people love me. So, and I'm not trying to be like, you know, people love me. But, you know, people trust me. And I think this is where this idea came from is that people were coming to me all the time,

like asking for housekeepers, personal assistants, house managers. And I was just connecting them for free because it's what I love doing. So a lot of people do trust me. And I feel like that will carry on with my agency. And what I will say is, you know, obviously there's so much that goes into it. We were filming for over two months. Like there were so many things that got cut. Like not even just saying this as Leah's friend, but like seriously looking at like her connections and her work ethic.

Like you didn't get, I feel like you didn't get to see as much of that on the show because again, we were having a little too much fun in a Biza. But like, no, she really has her crap together when it comes down to it. I was working hard behind the scenes. Oh, I know. To have a show like this? I mean, it's impressive. Yeah. It's cool.

Yeah, it was very stressful, but I learned a lot and I'm ready to take that with me. Take it on again. Take it out again. Well, thanks for coming. Best of luck. Thanks for having us. So you wouldn't hire us is what you're saying? We're just like we're all set

We're booked up We're all set You never know You never know I just want you on the next season I think you and Natalie Should go wherever the destination is He's like

I'm like hey you let me know It was so fun Yeah You come on their show They go on yours I'm too normal No and you saw the the buttons Were

I'm not as high profile I think you Yeah yeah yeah I see what you're saying Yeah you're you guys are too normal And that's a compliment But like I just don't think we're going to the part

Really? Well, first of all, we haven't been invited. You guys give me a side storyline. That's my vision for you. You don't need to be a main character. You guys are one of the families because there's a lot of nannies. A lot of people were having a hard time finding work.

Would a family be able to go on if they're like, listen, you can't show my kids? There were families that got cut, right? Yeah. So, yeah, technically. Like we were working. Some blur their faces. Is that something you guys would do?

Or blow the faces? Yeah. We would definitely not be comfortable. That's just a personal choice. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's completely fair. I think you, I mean, for us, too, I think we were very uncomfortable on the cameras at first. Like, we really are nannies, and this is, like, a whole new life for us.

But then you become numb to it. I think it's more for us, and we talk about this. Like, we have a relationship with our audience. Nellie and I, we're not trying to have our audience have a relationship with our kids. I mean, then you're open to, like, you know, the world judging you, which has been a hard thing. And your parenting styles and stuff like that. And obviously, like, there's already... I'm fine with the world judging me.

Yeah. I don't know. They do it all the time. You just don't want to coming out the kids, which is so understandable. Yeah. Makes sense. I never know.

We support you either way. Yes. I do need to get through. I do want to go to Greece. But if you know anyone, send them my way. Thanks for coming, ladies. Thank you for having us.

Michelle Taylor, welcome. Thank you for having us. How are you guys doing? Good. You got these look a little nervous. I'm just excited to be here. This definitely won't be harder than nannying kids. Right.

That's true. High profile. Yes. Do you like the fans? families you work for because I mean you guys are like dealing with the 1% or I'm assuming some more relatable than others or do you have you have you ever been like these guys are too much never I mean I actually really loved my nanny families on the show and then even like outside of the show love them yeah I lucked out I mean the family that I worked with in Abiza our three dads were great down to earth

had the same values as myself and we just clicked right off the bat okay that's so fun also your sweatshirt what does it say I see I see says going to the chapel. Because she's engaged. And we're going to get married. Congratulations. Congratulations. Thank you so much.

That's amazing. So it worked out. Everything's great. You guys are doing great. We're still together. Yes, absolutely. Love.

The show definitely challenged us in ways that I was not expecting. Obviously, like, going on a reality TV show, people are going to judge and have, like, opinions about you. But I feel like after the show, like, we came out stronger than we were going into it. Yeah, which is great to say, because, um, it was beautiful. say because, you know, leading up to us being in a visa, we were together for five years. And I feel like we've gone through a lot in that time. And this was just another test. At the end of the day, I do believe it made us stronger and we're happier than ever.

That's awesome. Do you guys live in L.A.? We live in Columbus, Ohio. Columbus, Ohio. Okay. Okay, because you obviously didn't take the job with the three dads in L.A. Is that because you guys want to stay in Columbus? So that offer caught me off guard. I was very excited to have received it, but it left me speechless in the moment. I wasn't expecting it. And they didn't put any pressure on it.

And then once we got back from Abiza, we came out to L.A. And we had conversations with our three dads. And they actually offered it to the both of us again. And they said, just think about it. Like the holiday season was coming up. So we thought about it through the holidays. And then we came back out here, had honest conversations with them. We weighed the pros and cons.

and with everything going on, we just didn't feel like it was best for us and best for them because we didn't. We felt like we weren't able to like commit to a year contracts. So there's no hard feelings. With us being like, I mean, we're about to be 30 like this year. And like my one like dream was to always become like a mom just because I mean I've been like a nanny for so long. And I love it so much. And I'm like I just like want my own kids as well. And for us like getting engaged and like I want to be, you know, get married and just like start.

our next chapter of life. And also we moved out of his parents' basement and his bunk bed and we got an apartment. So that's another little spoiler. What are the common misconceptions? Because I'm sure there are a lot of them that you find to be the most obnoxious and frustrating is someone who is a man who is a nanny of kids. Yeah, I think it's a lot of the times people just don't think I can be good with children of different ages.

and I have a history of working with kids, whether they're infants, all the way up to like teenage years. And it's usually not the families that I work with. It's families who may question those families and be like, why do you have like a male in his 20s working with your kids? And then once I get to know me, then they start asking like, hey, can you give our family hours? Because I think trust is the biggest thing.

And if you can trust the person, you know, then you have a, a good relationship with the kids and the parents and you can go from that. Forgive me if you guys talked about this on the show. Did you guys meet because you were nannies or? No. Okay. We actually met on TikTok. Oh, no way.

Yes. True love. Were you nannying before or, but it wasn't the high profile name? Is that what it was? Yes. So I'm like, yeah, so we're living in Columbus, Ohio and like, yes, like there are like some rich and wealthy families, but like, I mean, I work for doctors. But I mean, like, yes, like they are wealthy, but I wouldn't say there's like the

ultra wealthy. Okay. Who are you nanning for like now, right now in between the show? So I've been nannying them for almost two years now, but it's three kids and yeah, they're in Columbus, but I can't really talk much about them just because of like. And how did the family feel, how did they watch? Yes, they watched it. They support me 1,000 percent. Like they, they know who I am as a person. They know like how I treat their kids and everything and they're like, girl, like, I love you. Like, and like, which is amazing because Again, like, as you saw on the show with, like, Nicola, like, I love creating bonds with, like, my bosses and everything and just, I don't know, like, feeling like family and, like, at your job is just so amazing to, like, where, like, I will go to their birthday parties and go, like, Halloween and Christmas and Thanksgiving and all of that. So I don't know.

It's just, like, truly special, like, to me. And you seem to make, like, a special bond with Nicola. I think she's literally the coolest woman I've ever seen. And I'm like, I want to be her. She's literally iconic. actually. iconic, yeah, and she loved you. And I thought it was so cute because she was like, no, you're literally a princess.

Like, you're exactly who we want to hire because you're a princess and I want my daughters to be raised by empowered princesses. Are you guys still tight? Do you see the girls? Oh, my goodness. Yes. I actually just talked to her like five minutes ago. No way.

So, like, I mean, we like face-hame each other all the time. Obviously, it's hard, like, with her being in London. But, like, we are so, so close. And then even after Abiza, I, Mitchell and I actually went to go and see her and the girls. and like on our own terms like this is not from the like the show just because like I love them so much and like yeah they were our personal tour guides in London we had never been and Nicola invited us out and we spent the week with them did you feel any kind of way with because she made a comment about you should leave him kind of a thing did you feel any kind of way? No I didn't I had conversations with Nicola while we were in Abiza and then since then have had a lot of conversations with her and her and her and I um clicked on a lot of different things, but one was she had a brother who had disabilities and I have a sister who has disabilities. So we bonded over that. And then we really clicked on how we value certain things and like relationships and people and whatnot. So her and I like she said

in the shit like she said it, you know, to Taylor. Did she ever apologize or just acknowledge that maybe her mind has changed? Yes, she actually has. She, um, she says, you know, like I was hard on you from the beginning, but I wanted to be there for Taylor. And I took it and understood. and we have a great relationship. It seemed like while you weren't the person to start the rumor about Leah sleeping with their client, you seem to be the one who really set it on fire. Yes, I'm the drama, the messy one. What are your thoughts and feelings about that situation now that the dust has settled, so to speak?

Looking back after, yeah, like, watching it, again, I was like, wow, like, this is so embarrassing. I hate myself for this. like I cringe all the time. But in the moment, like I felt so alone from day one, the start, like the start just with, I'm, oh, I'm Mitchell's plus one. I'm like, no, I'm an 82. Like, I have a lot of experience and like, why, why can I not be here? And so, like, from like the girls, like, I, they just always, like, looked at me, like, I'm different or, like, I don't deserve to be here. And so when I first met Nicola, like, that connection, I'm telling you was actually insane. Like we clicked right away and like I always looked up to her because she did welcome me. She did believe me. She supported me. And like I was mad. I was frustrated in the moment. And I made like I fucked up. I made a mistake. And like I know that. And I did talk to Leah afterwards. And I said like, I'm so sorry. Like I shouldn't have done that. Especially like not knowing the full the full story. Like now I'm like, okay. Like who cares? You know? But the end of the day like, yeah, I'm a. I'm a.

stuff so what side are you guys on between the sydney and lee of it all so it's a great question yeah that is a great question i like i i love both of them i love lea and i love sydney and like i think lea like is valid for like her feelings towards sydney but i also like sydney is the like now like my best friend and we got super close after the show and everything and there's some moments that we're shared right here's the here's the thing though like i don't know i look at it from a standpoint of Sydney had an opportunity and who's to say other nannies in the house wouldn't have taken that opportunity. And then Leah has her feelings because they hadn't talked about it and had those conversations that they still need to be had. So to me, I was going to a visa to make money to set us up and like work on things.

And what's the point of like getting into the high school drama of like you have to be on Sydney's side? You have to be on Leah's side. Like we're on both sides. We're friends with both of them. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Like I think that they're both, yeah, great people. Like that's just who we are. I mean, like I see like the good and everybody.

I mean, for any other nanny saying they wouldn't have taken the signing bonus. That's crazy. And the opportunity to continue working with the G's. Like I would probably question it. I think my biggest takeaway of interviewing Liz and Leah and you two is that like this show's real. It's real. It's real. I mean, honestly, like when it first came out, very fascinated.

Because again, I think it's such a sensitive topic like child care. And then there's like, how is this shit real? It's so wild. And yet it seems like it is. You made a point about saying like you wanted to go to Abisa to set yourselves up and to like make more money. Obviously we don't want to, I don't want to like expose anything or ask anything you can't say. But I'm like, is going to Abisa to work for these families that significant of a financial? like benefit that it would actually set you up or like get you out of.

Yeah, absolutely. Like when you get into working with these families, they will pay an arm and a leg for good child care, especially when they're vacationing and wanting to have a good time themselves. And that's the vision I saw like with what Leah was trying to set up is. A lot of times when families go on vacations, these, their nannies won't travel with them because they take vacation time for themselves.

So when these families go out, they do need still child care and help. So when Leah came about this whole thing, I was like, this is a fantastic idea. And it allows us to travel and do what we like to do and experience new things. But then because it's a specialty inside of nannying itself, like the pay is very good. And you can, if you're smart about it, like you can really, you know, put away savings. Right. Like, yeah, it's crazy.

A lot of people just, I feel like, look at nannying and just like, okay, like whatever. Like there's no money involved in it. But you'd be actually surprised about how much people pay. I'm assuming you guys want kids someday? Absolutely. How is that going to work as two full-time nannies? Your job is to take care of kids. Right.

Well, you just like, can my kids come along? How does that work? I think we're still like, you know, that's still down the road. Sure. So there's, you know, things and conversations that we'll have. But for now with being nannies at home and then having the opportunity to travel and do this, It's like if we can continue just playing, being smart about it and setting ourselves up, I don't know if we'll be full-time nannies down the road.

Okay. You'll figure it out as you go. Yeah, it's just kind of go with the flow and that's how we are. Especially maybe season two. Make the best out of it. Yeah. Yeah, there we go. We have kids.

Do we have a goal on a wedding date? I mean, this is so new. I'm guessing you haven't started wedding planning. Right. Yeah, we have actually just been enjoying the fact that we've been engaged. It's beautiful ring, man. Yeah, gorgeous. Thank you.

Like, I'm, like, I'm obsessed with it. The nanny money. Yeah. I didn't even, like, look at it. Like, when you proposed to me, I didn't even, like, look at the ring. Yeah. Because I was just, like, I literally blacked out. I was like, what just happened?

Like, is this real? Like, is this happening? And I know, like, I know, like, it seemed like, we are arguing, like, right before. But we actually had a lot of dates and just beautiful moments that we shared, like, leading up to the engagement that, yeah, unfortunately, like, people did not see. If there is a season two, will this be any part of it? of the show.

Yeah, we want to definitely continue, like, sharing our relationship and the fact that, like, relationships, like, not, they're not all created equal, and there's ups and downs and flows. And, like, you saw we had moments in Abiza that were tough. But at the end of the day, like, as long as we continue to, like, choose each other and work through things, like, there's nothing wrong with that. You had a conversation, I think, with Leah at one point, I think it was with Leah. But it was just an interesting dynamic because you're a couple coming into the house.

it's a work environment and you were kind of like, hey, at the end of the day, like, this is my person and I'm going to, I'm going to vouch for her. I'm going to respect her. I'm going to have her back. But I also understand this is a working environment. And like, I apologize. You kind of like, you were very professional with it. But at the end of the day, like, you had her back. Do you feel like the girls were too hard on her? Or do you think it was kind of just understandable based on the circumstances? Yeah. No, I think there was definitely moments where people were too hard on Taylor and those moments. I think it, goes a long way to give somebody grace and let them explain themselves. In the situation where, you know, that was a rough day at the beach, there was miscommunication on a lot of sides, but we were there for a play date. And the kids that I was with, they wanted to go to the beach. And Taylor was at the pool. And who's to say that if the roles were reversed,

I might have left the kids with another nanny as well and said, hey, Taylor, what are you doing? Like, we were here for a play date and just try to, like, you know, get things on the same page. It was just like everybody coming at her and me wanting to just like clear the air, but I didn't get the full chance to do so. That night was crazy with the amount of yelling and intensity that dinner. I think my tears like dried up actually because like the amount of times I was crying like that whole day.

It was a really rough day for me. And again, like, yeah. Can you tell us what your experience was when Nicola approached you on the beach? Like that was so jarring to watch because it was almost like I felt your humiliation. Like that's what it felt like. I was like, I mean, I was wearing a literally a princess jar and a princess dress. And like I still like have that on my head because I'm like, hey, like these girls like love it. And I'm like whatever. I'm going to, I'm here to prove myself. And that like this is not like a silly costume. Like no, this is what the girls wanted me to wear. And. But I get, it's hard. It's even hard to explain. It was embarrassing. And I'm like that girl is like I am different today. And I watch. that back like I'm not kidding I was like sweating bullets because I was just I'm like cringing hard myself and I'm like wow like I really fucked up and yes I my thought process was yes we planned a play date and it just was misunderstood and Mitchell shows up at the beach but he was supposed to be at the pool and I was like okay like hey Tamaya like you are here she is a great like nanny and she's

here for a reason I was like I'll be like right right back but yeah just me being like right back. Like the kids, I would never put the kids in harm, even though I know, yeah, I did. But like, they were safe. They were with somebody that like I trusted that other people trusted being fired. Again, I was like, I've never been fired in my life. So that was very, that was very hard. And I was like, I'm done. I just want to go home. Like, I don't want to be here. Like, what, what just happened? Yeah, it was, it was heavy. It was hard to watch. Sorry, I'm like, it's like, it was a lot. So. You got through it and you got your job back and you had the tough conversation with Nicola and you didn't give up.

Right. That was like the one saying like the proudest moment for me was like accepting that I got fired going back up there and taking accountability and talking with her because yeah, she made me wait for almost an hour and like just my mind was going everywhere. And no, we really connected. I'm so actually I'm so grateful that this happened because I was able to explain to her about like. me like growing up and then we bonded about our dads and everything which was not shown but um it was it was like it was very it was just very like memorable i don't know and so i think we watched you grow and evolve and like and i told lea the same thing she had a really great moment where she you know had to like the family that's the thing about the show is i feel like you really you can't be a bad person because you're a nanny so like you can be on reality tv on any other show and like do crazy stuff and get

away with it like if you're a nanny you got to go make things right if you want to to keep working in the business. So like I feel like you're kind of not forced to because obviously it's it's who you are as well. But like it's it's bad behaviors embraced a lot less. Exactly. Like you got to at your core you got to be good. So obviously she like hired me back for a reason. I know it seems like all I did was cry. No. But like I was like every cry was like, I don't know. Like it was worth it. I am like very emotional and like I will say that again. I am very emotional. I cry over happy, sad, like stressful situations. And and and so unfortunately just like being there. I don't know. It just brought it like a lot of stress. I mean, it is high,

high stress environment with like six new people that I've never met in my life sharing a house and like there's like nowhere to go. Like there's nowhere to go. There's no one to talk to. I just felt like I had nobody besides Mitchell and like I wanted that strong like woman bond was with somebody else. And I really like felt it with Nicola. Well, you guys are a very, very cute couple. You guys are cute. I appreciate it. Congratulations on the engagement. Thanks for being a part of the show. It's very fascinating show. Yeah, I just honestly wasn't sure what to believe. Like, I know a lot about reality TV.

I was, as someone who knows how the sausage is made in a lot of these universes, when you incorporating child care and kids and things like that, it's certainly a show that caught my eye. I was just going to say, like, at the end of the day, not a lot of people live with who they work with. Yeah. And you throw that whole dynamic in, and the show was crazy to watch it back.

But every single day was crazy in the house. And we all had to remember that at the end of the day, we're here to try to build this agency that I do feel like there's a need for. Okay. And there are some relationships that, yeah, we're not shown in conversations that were not shown. Yeah, that was crazy. And we're definitely, you'll guys will be back, assuming that we get a season two, you guys hope to be a part of that. Yeah, we would love to be a part of it.

And, you know, with Leah and continuing to try to build this thing, like I've had conversations with Leah now that I'm very business savvy and entrepreneurial, and I told Leah if you ever need help on that side of things. Like, I know she comes from, like, the clientele aspect, but I would love to help where I can. Awesome. So you'd prefer that Leah stays the leader of the agency, not Jack. Oh, yeah. That's right.

Yeah, okay. Yes, that was like another thing. Yes. We voted for Leah. Yes. We were the only ones that voted for Leah. Why did other people vote for Jack? They just thought in the moment that there needed to be a new face for what was going on in the

island because all the families were catching wind of Leah's secret. You're the thing you were doing. Because of me. Yeah. Oh, actually, well, let's be real here. If she didn't open her mouth to live. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, live was the one that spread it to everybody else.

I did tell Nicola, but I felt like my reason was, like, valid. And again, like, I take full accountability. She definitely shouldn't have done that. But, you know, like, ever since then. They didn't have the context, you know, before she shared it. You thought you were saving, you thought you were like, you thought you were spreading information to help people out. All I was on the show was, I mean, again, like, I was sticking to, like, who I was. was as a person like just showing like how vulnerable I am like how like I am honest again and

that's all I was trying to be what was honest but unfortunately like it led me to some messy situations and but to be fair there was a lot of people talking behind people's backs let's just right okay there was a lot but like again from like growing up like I was bullied and like I never wanted to like have like I don't know someone like talked behind my back and like me not know it like And so I always said, like, you know, like treat people the way that you want to be treated. And so that's why, like, I did tell a lot of things is because, like, I'm like, I don't want people to get hurt or anything. I wasn't doing it because I was trying to be messy or, like, mean or anything. Like, I was just trying to be honest.

And unfortunately, yeah. Honestly, looks messy sometimes. Listen, you know, sometimes being not a secret keeper is a pretty good quality. You know, someone's really good at keeping a secret. See, I. Could be a little bit of a red flag. I'm not going to keep it's like, yeah. I wasn't good at keeping secrets.

Like, don't tell me a secret. Like, if it's bad. Yeah. Well, congratulations to you both. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. And wishing you guys all the best.

And hopefully we will see more of your shenanigans in the future. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. Guys, I'm so into the show. This is one of my favorite shows. And I think it's going to pop. Like, I think it's one of the shows where, like, it just has to simmer a little bit.

And then, like, two, three weeks after, everybody's watching. I agree. We're ahead of the curve. Yeah. And to hear that nobody has talked to, like, Sydney since she left. I know. I've seen a few of her TikTok, so. She did one where she did, like, a nail transition to red nails.

Kind of iconic. And here's the thing. Like, I love the whole cast. I would do the same as Sydney. Yeah. I would do it. Honestly, same. I've followed, like, a lot of the cast.

And I would 1,000% take the $25,000 bonus. And the signing bonus and get to go to all the fashion shows and Valentino. And free stay. Marga, France, Paris, wherever she is. Sorry, homies. Also, if they're true friends, they'll understand. But I would apologize. I was going to say, it sounds like they're not so mad at her for taking the job,

but they're mad at her for not communicating and saying, oh. They found out from watching the show. Like, that's insane. I kind of get it. But I still would take the job. Yeah. And maybe there was an NDA. Who knows?

There could have been something that prevented her from telling anybody. I don't know. NDA in the real life, NDA not on the show. Yeah, exactly. Yep. There you do. Well, thanks for listening. Thank you.

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