The Viall Files - E1174 - Going Deeper: The Double Lives of Suburban Wives

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

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Welcome to the show. Hi. Thank you for happiness. So excited. We're so exciting. First of all, just congratulations on the show. We watch a lot of reality TV. It is hard to look away.

This is one of my favorites. It might be one of the best. It might save cable television. Yeah. Thank you so much. That really means a lot. Thank you. It's really good.

We have so many questions. I want to start by saying this is a safe, no judgment space. But certainly there's a lot of fascination with what you ladies do in the show. I'm no doubt while we are in a no judgment space, I'm sure there's a lot of people, even listening are listening with curiosity, but it's hard not to comment with a lot of preconceived opinions and things like that. So I think our goal today is just to get to know you ladies obviously better and just kind of learn about this kind of very fascinating industry. And I think more than anything, I think what the fascination is is because this isn't as unique as I think people realize.

and it's becoming more and more of a theme for families like yourselves to get into adult content through, you know, OnlyFans or maybe there's other platforms out there. I don't know. But it's certainly fascinating. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I'm so curious of how this show even started. How did this come to be? Who was approached? Like, what, how did that happen?

It's such a funny story because I truly believe things happen for a reason. but one day I just randomly checked my Instagram spam messages. And a casting director had reached out. She had seen my news story and invited me to interview for the show. And then she said, tell me about all of your friends who are also doing this as well. And so I reached out to all my closest friends. And honestly, they interviewed creators all around the country and they picked us. Wow.

That's wild. You just happened to check your spam. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Wow. That's wild. You know, obviously there are other women that they follow and cover.

And it's, you know, you three are kind of the pillars of the show. But the theme in the show centers around a lot of like your family members not knowing. Right. Right. And kids not knowing. And obviously that's just a big part of that conversation. So I am just curious. Obviously, very exciting to be on TV.

I'm sure. When you were approached, how unsure. or sure were you of doing it? And maybe it's obviously the answer is for different for all the women. Especially like I think you were like incognito. Yes. Yeah. Clearly doing this show was going to open Pandora's box.

So what kind of conversations did you ladies have with each other, with your partners, in terms of like what that was going to look like? Right. Yeah. So my husband and I both knew that eventually I was going to get found. out and doing the show really like was this once in a lifetime opportunity to be able to tell my story my husband's story and just like be able to control like the narrative because it's like I would rather come out on my terms than get blackmailed right and then like one person like

put all the puzzle pieces together and then like yeah get blackmailed and so like this was like literally an answered prayer to be able to like come out this way and and get to show like all the different complex parts of my story and yeah and to be able to like own my power own my power and just like embrace like my truth and like this is my real authentic self you know where does that fear of being blackmailed come from is that common in this industry i mean yeah i was yeah yeah exactly Can you walk us through what happened? Yeah. So I was, I don't know, three months in the content creation, met Tammy, which she has a big following in St. Louis.

And someone recognized me in the videos that we did together. Didn't take long. I started hearing gossip around my hometown about my husband and I. And then I was like, okay, I'm going to have to come clean to the school soon because I think it's coming. I guess like the next day or so probably yeah it didn't take long but superintendents walked into my classroom at the end of the school day and they were just like we got a report from you know an adult from your hometown that you participate in online adult content and we're going to put you on leave and then my whole world was turned upside

down so yeah how did you know that someone had found out did they DM you did they like How did you know that? Well, I did. Yeah. So actually a neighbor that my husband went to high school with said, hey, like, do you make videos and post them online? And I was like, crap. Like, it's getting around.

Spreads like wildfire. Once it starts, it is, it's crazy. And was that an initial fear going into it of like, oh, I mean, Macy, you use the wigs and the glasses. So, like, did you ever think about doing any of that? Yeah. So I was faceless for a really long time. And then I met Tammy and she gave me so much confidence to just.

like own it that I was like this is the path that I'm taking and maybe like a little bit naive I did read my handbook and I was like I'm truly not violating my handbook. Like the teachers. Yes. I looked at my contract and I was like I didn't sign a morality clause. Well I'm curious about that because I think you know it makes sense in a way when you think about teachers and the expectations and responsibility with the kids. But to your point, it's like, what exactly what rule are you breaking? And when the superintendents and whoever

it was who came in, did you just accept it right away? Did you think about looking into getting a lawyer and defending yourself? Or was it more like, you know what? I don't want to create too much drama and I'll just call it. There was so much drama. It was like all over the media for weeks. But I was put on leave and I honestly think like four days later I was making so much money that I was like I'm just going to walk away. Like I don't need to fight this. I don't want my job back. This is the path I'm going to take. Part of that I would say like the reason why.

So my husband Drew and I have been in adult content like for years, right? And so, you know, we met. How many years? Gosh, on and off. We're pretty much like our whole dating time. So about 13, 14 years now. But yeah, I was just going to say that, you know, whenever I encourage Bree, it was like, like, hey, listen, there's always a risk. We never tell people that like, oh, yeah, if you do this,

you won't be found out. We don't over promise. And it's not for everybody. Yeah. So, you know, we did tell her, yes, there's a big risk. But with that big risk comes a big reward. And, you know, I think it resonates with a lot of people that the whole reason why a lot of us started was because, you know, we had student loans or we're struggling financially. And, you know, we were having kids and we're realizing like, you know, like life is short. And I know that this is not something that is publicly accepted, right? We knew we were going to come under judgment. But we kind of eased into it at first. I don't blame people for trying to just hang under the radar and see how it goes, right? But eventually you kind of have to, you know, face the facts that this is out here, but like,

how can people really speak on my life? When I see the amazing family I have every day, like the supportive of husband that I have. This is all consensual. Like, we're doing this together. Yes. How can anybody really argue for your pursuit of happiness in your way? Yeah. Yeah. And also, I feel like my husband, Jim, for example, he was working so much and like commuting, like 40 minutes there, 40 minutes back, working most Saturdays, you know, and he was making pretty good money, but it's like that time. We did not have that time. And so I always say, like, what's your why? And for me, like having that time with my family, with my husband and our son, that is priceless to me. And that's what doing this as a career has provided for us. And for me,

it's really honestly like the American dream to be able to have like time and money. It's unfortunate. You know, it is looked down upon and we are under like a lot of scrutiny. But at the same time, there is a lot of positive aspects to what we do. And it's just really cool. Like my husband, Jim, he has his own page as well. It's called the POV guy. And so it's like I have. What's POV stand for?

Point of view. So it's cool. Like we get to be business partners and run this together and like hand in hand as a team rooting each other on. And that's how it is for all of us. Was that always the case? Like when you got into it, was it always like, I want to do this with my husband? Or was like, you know what? I'm having fun. Let's bring in my husband. No, I think, I mean, I think for the most part, we all kind of, our husbands were, I mean, our husbands were on board from the beginning.

Right. And my content started out with him. Yeah. Yeah. Jim and I, like, started doing it together. And I think it just all started because we were all very open. And like, listen, in marriage, you know, you have to be open and communicate. Whether it's like you're showing it or not, you know, you have to be able to. be like on the same page about things and, you know, grow together. So this was just another chapter that we started. And I kind of imagined, you know, doing it about this without even like just my friends. The amount of amazing, open-minded people that we have met through this adventure has really helped cultivate our circle just organically, just finding like-minded people and just knowing that there are people out there that, even though you're a little different, there's other different people out there, too.

I'm curious, Tammy, obviously you said you started 13 years ago, which it's been a while. I feel old. And while, like, Only fans didn't even exist. Yeah. So my husband actually started on X, formerly Twitter. Okay. And, you know, started with, like, socials and started kind of like camming, you know, and it really started organically because we wanted to explore those at a couple.

Like, we kind of liked being watched. It was kind of like a, like, hey, we like this together. And it was a confidence builder. And then we found out we could make a little money to help pay. We were struggling college kids. And, yeah, it kind of just grew from there. So the first show started just kind of almost like fascinated with these. Like 13 years ago, the internet was, people were so kind of figuring out content creation was like this kind of unique thing.

So, yeah, how did it mean? So for perspective, it was like the first picture that my husband posted. You guys will see that on the show. was like on this site called 4chan, which is kind of known to be like the cessful of the internet, honestly. But, you know, they're open-minded enough. He posts whatever on there. So, and it was, it was safer work.

But, yeah, he posted that because I, I struggled for a long time with really poor self-confidence. And, you know, just, it was just a booster. You know, he posted out there and he's like, he's like, kind of proving a point to me to be like, like, like, So it's a picture of you. You're beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It was, it was a picture of my back. side. He knew what was going to get the most clicks, right? He knew what was going to get the most clicks. So he posted that and it was just like viral. And I was like, okay, I was like, you're on to something here. Obviously, there were more conversations as things went on about like adding the money factor to it. And I think that's where a lot of, you know, people in society kind of lose their minds. Are like, oh my gosh, you're making money off of that. And there's such a judgment with it. So you think it's actually they judge you more because you're making money as a if you were just like, I think so. Because, obviously, people in the bedroom are exploring and they have their own sex lives, right? And I don't think anybody can argue that. Like, that's your private business, right? But as soon as people find out we make money off of it, it just becomes like people, people turn ugly.

And I think, you know, like, why not? If you were enjoying yourself, if this is consensual and you can, you know, help unlock, you know, things for your family. I mean, people want to demonize money as it is, right? Right. But money is a tool. Money is a resource. And the amount of time like Macy and Brie had said that it has like enabled us to have for our family, take our kids to sports, you know, be there and be present because we also struggled with that. Like we were on opposite shifts. My husband would see my daughter in like the last hour of the day. And it wasn't even in person. It was over the phone. We had to call. And it's just once you have kids, you really are humbled by just how short life is. And. I would do anything for my kids. I would do anything for my family. Yeah.

To have somebody, I'll take the judgment all day. I'll take the scrutiny all day because I know what I have. Yeah, exactly. And I feel like there's like, I don't think it's any, like, question. There's a lot of people, a lot of families out there struggling financially, whether it's like the money aspect or the time aspect or, you know, either or or both. Life is hard. That, like, I think when you really put that into.

perspective of like you're doing what you feel is best for you and your family. I feel like that just can really resonate with a lot of people. You know what I mean? It's a different kind of sacrifice also. Yeah. So how long, you've been in it for 13 years? Three years. Three years.

Three years. And you two started on OnlyFans? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yes. For you, I'm curious when, I don't remember when OnlyFans started, but it was like 20, was at least 2019, 2018. It seemed to really do us fast.

Before COVID. It was around before COVID. Yeah. It seemed to blow up fast. And people came like, yes. Like the average person who didn't know about like, I guess this space became kind of hyper aware that this was a thing.

I'm curious for you, was that like almost an exciting time? Because it almost became more mainstream in a way. Yeah. I mean, it obviously is very validating to be like, ooh, like this is catching on.

And I think that's why it's such a buzzworthy topic because it's obviously not going anywhere, right? Like Only fans obviously has like the most like notable name. It's name recognition. And it really exploded during COVID, which there's a whole bit in the show that, like, we'll go into on that. I have a COVID baby. Yeah. Same thing.

We all have COVID baby. So, like, that was an epic time for that, too. And it's just like, it just kind of really put it front and forward. Like, wow. Like, this is really changing our life, especially in such a hard time. And, like, what are we going to do? Like, let's lean into it. Right.

Yeah. There's obviously other platforms like Sex Panther and all these, like, there's, there's tons. So there's other ones out there. in different ways to create your content. But the thing we love about it is that we can create it our own way. Nobody's sitting there telling us, directing us. We make it with who we want, you know, consensually, like with our husbands, you know, and one another and collaborations.

It's such a community built on trust and we just do it our way. And boundaries and communication. And yeah, and I actually, I posted my first thing actually on Reddit. that's where like mine blew up and then people started asking oh do you you have the spicy page can i see more and so i was like oh man okay i need to make an only fans there's such a business aspect of it that people don't understand people think you're just going to post some feet pictures and make a million dollars and that's not typical results not typical um there's so much that you have to understand about their individual rules and consent and paperwork like you need release

forms for these sites. Like people are always afraid of getting like filmed candidly and getting posted without their consent. It's like, no, we have to cover ourselves and run ourselves as a business. Like you cross your teas and dot your eyes. And is there ever a fear of like someone, I don't know if this is even possible, but like taking your content and putting it somewhere. It happens like leaked stuff, right?

Yeah. Yeah. I spend at least like $1,000 a month getting my leaks taken down. Yeah. We have a company actually that we. use for DMCA take down and there's only so much that they can do too but I mean of course if you're making money guess what there's always going to be somebody behind you trying to make that money too which is really frustrating like they are like literally taking away pirates so much money from us

are these things that you just had to like live and learn or so yeah it's actually kind of funny you bring that up though I don't know why I never thought about like about my leaked stuff but her and I were in an interview actually for the show and it got brought up and I pulled it up and I was like like I researched your name my name and like I go by Macy Lizzie and B but I also have my website is thatchurchgirl.com I was just blown away I was like oh my gosh

there's so much yeah that like you didn't post yourself that other people post it? No that people have like I don't pirate in Yeah pirated yeah people Well people like I'm like I need to start paying to get that taken down. I was going to say, like, people scam people all the time with what we do. Like I said, because we make money, right?

They're going to come in and there's always going to be somebody trying to take advantage. And, you know, that's why we always say, like, our links, like, go through our websites or go through, like, our stuff. If it's not on there, don't just, like, Google our names and, like, click on whatever. You probably get a virus or you're going to be sending money to somebody. There's, like, Venmo accounts of me. There's all, yeah. So, Tammy, were you being in a long time, it sounds like you've, brought other women into this or other people into this space.

Have you received extra criticism as someone who, it's like, well, you can do, but why are you recruiting or getting other women to do it? A, have you gotten the criticism? B, like, what's your motivation for bringing other women into this space? Yeah, I mean, I, of course, I get the criticism for that and people are going to be skeptical and be like, oh, it's like a, you know, like a ring. You know, I get the reputation as like the ringleader. You know, my husband and I get the ring leader. And it's like, you know, the fact is that there are obviously other, you know, people out there that, you know, want, you know, what Drew and I think have been so successful at achieving the things that we figured out, you know, they want that. Like, and we are all about, you know, community and collaboration. You know, we are not a, you know, a crowd that is cutthroat and, you know, a rising tide raises all ships, we believe. So really, honestly, we just want to open up that access. We don't hide information from people. And people like to see us together.

And people, the thing that is different about this show, I would say, is that we are really friends in real life. Like, this is not stage. This is not some TV stunt. Like, we have built this. This is authentic. And it can be so much bigger. So Drew and I really focus on, you know, inviting new people teaching them the ropes, you know, but allowing them to do it in their way. Like we're not managing their stuff.

We're not telling them what to do. No. No, no, no, no. We're honestly, truly here's a resource. My husband and I have a podcast as well, which focuses on education and, you know, tells fun stories and all that. But really, it's just about building the community because we know what a difference it's made in our life.

And when you approach someone, A, what are you looking for? And what makes you think another person would be good at it? And then how do you have, like, what's that conversation look like? It's funny. We really don't approach people. And this is not to sound. People approach us because, like, we've just made a name for ourselves in that, you know, the people, you put that energy out there and your people will come.

Your people will find you. Your vibe attracts your tribe. I totally believe that. And, you know, we're not out there like scouting for people. You know, there's plenty of people that just want this. But, you know, I think we do have to consider people's personalities a little bit. We, you know, it is hard work. We tell people like, hey, you're not going to just do this like part time and make a million dollars. Right. Yeah. You probably will get found out, you know, and we're empathetic to certain situations, of course. But, you know, we want to be real with people. Yeah. We just want people to win with us. Yeah. So we kind of have to. to be a good judge of character though. Right. And I feel like it is, you know, you guys will see in the show. I mean, there's a lot that you have to have boundaries on and not everybody has your best intentions in mind. Yeah. And I feel like to, like if you look at any other successful business owner, someone that I just think it's really rare for someone to like actually want to help someone and like want them to win in the same field and the same career.

that you guys, like, aren't profiting off of that. Like, that is a very rare thing. And that just shows your guys' hearts in your character. And, like, same for Bree, too. Thank you. You know? I was about to say, just because Drew and I have done this a long time, the longest in our group, that's not to say that, like, I haven't learned so much from other people.

That's what I mean. Like, we are not here saying, like, you know, we know everything and everybody needs to take all of our advice. Like, we find out new ways. We're just open-minded. But Breeze helps us a lot. Macy, you've helped us a lot. We all have, we just share ideas. That's how it should be.

Right. Tammy, can we talk about your husband and the way his, how he gets dressed every day? With the way my husband gets dressed with his randomizer. It's very like, like Hannah Montana coated or something. So we try to think it, yeah, I call it OCD, but if it would be nice, we could call it the lazy genius way. So he is very just structured disciplined. Like he takes all the guesswork and he's a very black and white person, but to, to a good strength. So yeah, yeah, he just randomizes, gets a random number generator. on his phone, he has his shirts, his pants, his shorts, all this in different sections of

our closet, and he will count from left to right that number. And then whatever it lands on, he wears a shirt. The first time. Has he ever looked in the mirror and go, I've looked in the mirror and been like, no. But like, he will fight me on it. He's like, that's what the number picked. And I was like, the number knows best. The first time he like said that he did that, I lost it. I could not stop laughing. And I was like, you're joking. He's like, No, no, no. This is for real. I was like, oh, okay. The warning signs were there when we first met, though. Like, I think I showered at his apartment one time, and he was upset because I didn't turn the label facing forward whenever. I was done with the shoe, and I was like, what am I getting myself in here? So I want to talk about, like, misconceptions in this space, which I'm sure there are a lot of. Well, one, I guess, what is the biggest misconception that you women feel exists in this space? I feel like, I mean, online right now, we're getting a lot of, you know, just calling us prostitutes.

I don't, I don't know. I believe that sex work is work. And yes, we treat it like a business. Yeah. Like we are all successful business owners. I just wish that people, like, showed us that respect. Yeah. I think the biggest misconception that I have seen has been that in order to do what we do,

you have to be some outcast, desperate, destitute of society to allow yourself to do it. Almost like you scrape yourself off the bottom of the barrel. And the show really does. Like you had to hit rock bottom or something. Yeah. Yeah. And not just to do it because you see an opportunity. And it makes sense for you and your family.

And I think that's what double lives really is aimed to break as that stigma and judgment and just know that there's more information to it. and that, you know, a lot of, like, we, you know, we have college degrees. We are, we are moms. We are neighbors. Like, we are friends. Like, looking on the street. Yeah.

People wouldn't be able to tell that we do spicy content. And so it's just empowering to know that, you know. We are still normal people, even though we do something. We still have feelings. A little unconventional. So when you ladies go to the doctor's office and they're like, what is your occupation, what do you write down? Self-employed.

Self-employed. I actually have not. Dang. And the other day I wrote entertainment and then I was like, well, they might. Yeah. They might think that that's. Yeah. Yeah.

It depends on the doctor because like I am very like open with my doctor now about it. You know, I tell them like I create adult content and stuff like that because, you know, knowledge is power. And obviously if there's, you know, we want to be honest. And obviously we're saying. Has that almost gotten fun now that you, you seem obviously very just secure and comfortable with what you and your husband do. Is it almost like, are you enjoy the dropping that? It's actually, seeing the right. Watching people's faces.

Yeah, it's actually great because I wasn't always this confident. Okay, I've had to build this and really like I am truly like proud of it now that I've struggled, you know, to become this person and here I am. And I can talk about it. But I love actually being able to release that weight of being able to just say what I am. I'm an adult spicy content creator. Yeah. And open up the room. People are very careful about what they say to your face.

It's much easier to cast all this hate and shade online. I've even had people that have been nice to my face whenever I told them about it. And I was like, oh, great for them. I respect you for that. And then months later when the show comes out, all bashing. And I was like, you really saw that to my face. But at least I know that I was respectful. I gave people an opportunity to ask questions.

And I say, hey, we never have to talk about this again. Or if you have questions, I'm an open book. I think, too, another big misconception, like, is, like, with our kids being on the show. And I just like to say that, like, the whole part of having our kids on the show is to show that we're moms, to show that we, like, that we are complex humans,

just like anybody else. And that we're moms, we're wives, we're friends. We're still normal. Yes, we're still normal. but we have this as a career. You know what I mean? Well, it's a double life because even though people see the images flashing on the screen of our kids and then the adult content, that does not mean that they are together.

No, no. Are so careful. We are still parents. Yes. We will protect our kids, you know, with whatever we can. Obviously, yes, the birds and the bees talk will come up at some point. Our kids are, you know, pretty young right now. And so it's just not an age-appropriate conversation.

Right. My son's five. I'm not going to have that discussion with them. Have there been any, like, scary moments again, because there's just a lot of judgey people out there. There's a lot of judgy people in places of power. Right. Have there been any people out there accusing you women of, like, being bad parents or threatening to even take your kids away as a result of what you choose to do? Have there been moments like that?

Yeah, straight up lies, too. People saying that we do this for their kids in our room. Like, just to be nasty and how do you feel about yourself really trying to ruin somebody's life? If we are not hurting somebody, like, how can you do that? I don't understand. Right. And a lot of y'all have, like, the room in the basement, through the basement to the garage, with a lock. Like, are these additions to the house?

How did we all get, like, oh, I'm very proud of my content. I'm very proud of my room. The one on the trailer is beautiful. It's beautiful. Yes. My husband built it. I'm so proud of it. Shout out, Phil.

Yeah. But, yeah, no. It was actually, that room. was just an unused room. It was, we bought the house, and then it was actually an unfinished room. And we're like, yeah, let's turn this into your content space. And has a lock on the door, fingerprint lock, soundproof panels and two-factor authentication. But, you know, it's, I don't know, I'm super proud of it.

Have your kids ever been like what, I mean, what's in this room? Can I go in there? No one's ever. Storage. Yeah. Christmas decor. Yeah. I want to talk about the business side of it.

Well, just to start at your lady's comfort level. Yeah. How much money have you ladies with? A lot. I love sharing numbers. Okay. You like sharing the numbers. Yeah.

So I guess when I was found out, things went crazy. But yeah, it was like one and a half million dollars in three months. And it has just continued to be successful. So yeah, just in the millions. You're a millionaire. Yeah. Law millionaires? Not yet.

Not yet. Well, because they're on their way. But yes. Pretty close. Sometimes it's funny though, because sometimes it's like a slow grind, right? And then something will pop.

And yeah. Like a really good month. Right, right. But even if it takes me, you know, 20 years to achieve, you know, the goal that I have, you know, to be able to, you know, make sure my kids have everything that they need,

you know, take care of my family. Hopefully like when my mom's old and like, you know, our family, you know, needs help that we can help help, um, help them. I'll do it as long as I need to to. Do you, go ahead, Bree? I was just going to say, like, I mean, the amount of money and the fast money that we all make.

I mean, like, multiple thousand dollar days. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do you ladies remember the first thing that you bought outside of, like, extra groceries or what? Like, the first thing that you're like, you know what, I'm going to treat myself. I've made some money. What was it, Tammy? No.

Oh, no. I mean, like, I think about it. Yesterday's been a thing. Yeah. I mean, yesterday. That was like my LA presence for myself. But no, whenever we first started like camming and we made some money, I remember I'm such like a home body. Like I love to taking care of my home. My home is my happy place. And I rarely buy things for myself. Like it's just like I, I invest it in my home. And I think I bought like a like a headboard for my bed. We just had mattresses on the floor. Drew and I just moved into a rental house. I love that. I love that. Yes. You've seen with my lufa just up in the air. My shower stream, like the first time I ever did it, like really popped off.

And my first thing was like, I want some Botox. I want to get rid of these. On my forehead and around my crow's feet and it's not cheap. This is the money maker. Yes. The best, baby. Bree, what about you? Yeah.

I honestly can't. I mean, like the most significant thing that stands out to me is like a boob job. job. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. What part? Do you said you bought a purse in L.A.? You were like, shoes? I got shoes. I got some shoes. And I got some of the tons. And I don't buy things for myself, but I might have had some help from a fan. Oh, okay. You mentioned that, you know, just because not everyone is successful in the space. So I'm just curious, like, what makes you successful? Because I imagine it's not just the act of sex. It sounds like the space. It sounds like the space. has a lot to do with fetishes or unique interests and things like that.

Yeah. Honestly, it's like you can't just post a picture and expect someone to pay you. Right. It is a grind. It is especially a social media grind like 24-7. Yes. Because these platforms really, like you have to get your name out there. So you have to develop a following.

Right. And then hopefully funnel people to to the site. And what's the trick to make you women unique in this space that allows you to have the following? I think like having your niche. You know what I mean? Like you had like the teacher thing. Mine's like kind of like good girl gone bad like church girl. Did you come up with that name yourself?

Yeah. Well, yes. Yeah, I would say yes. Definitely distinguish yourself. But, you know, be open minded to like try different things to find out where you fit. Don't see like, don't follow the same of what everybody's doing. Be yourself. Do something that you feel comfortable doing that is sustainable for you.

because the difference between how people can just look up, you know, adult content online for free and why they're subscribing and following us is that, you know, we are real people, you message us, you were talking to us. It's more about building that relationship. And it seems more like, you've seen more personal. Previous to, you know, recent years, how cool is it that you can access your favorite adult star? Yeah. And like, actually communicate with them, like one-on-one. And how do you all balance that? You know, because I'm sure, like, throughout the day, you got people messaging you and you're trying to take kids to school or do stuff. So how do you balance it all?

Yeah. It never stops, honestly. Obviously, we are very protective of our family time. That's the whole reason why we started this. You know, we separate that. But, I mean, there's DMs all the time. Yeah, if I'm not answering messages at, like, 2 a.m., I'll get, like, a bunch of question marks. I'm like, I have to sleep too. Yeah.

Yeah. You have to place limits on it and boundaries, though. because, you know, as much as we are there and we do give a lot of our time on ourselves to our fans, but, like, we are there for our families and need to be present for our families. And, like, my husband, Jim and I will kind of do this thing of like, because I do video calls on Sex Panther and a lot of all of us are on there too. Like you're doing it, like you're just face-to-face-time. Yeah, like FaceTime.

Yeah, like FaceTime. But, like, my husband will take our son out of the house and, like, go do something fun. Yeah, go do something fun so that I can do. that and like or yeah I'm really curious about that part of it because it seems like that's a big part of of being successful in the space it's not just posting the shower video or the backside picture or whatever but it's developing relationships yes with these fans you're right and I imagine there's a lot of gray in that space and and I'm curious specifically with your partners right because I think it's kind of it makes a lot of sense you know when you guys your husbands were talking about like honestly it was kind of like improved her sex life it was kind of sexy little and it's kind of sexy little kinky, whatever. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. But then when you start developing relationships with these fans, what boundaries do you guys

have to set as a couple? And I imagine there have been moments where jealousy and insecurity kind of popped up. You know, for us, not really. I mean, I'm not to say that, like, jealousy never happens. But the boundaries that we set from the very beginning was that this is physical, this is money. And yes, we get to know our fans. but it's definitely like my heart is not for sale.

Like my heart is committed 100% to my husband no matter, you know, what we do. If it wasn't fun together and if he said tomorrow, hey, I don't want to do this anymore, fine. Right. I would go with that. Yeah. I think about it this way of like you put it really good, Tammy, of like I love my husband. Like we have like that deep, intimate, romantic relationship. But then like, you know, where it's like video calls.

or collabs, like, that's just sexual. You know what I mean? Like, you just take, like, the feelings. It's business. You know what I mean? Have you ever had, like, a weird or scary moment with a fan who didn't kind of respect or understand the boundaries? Yes, and you know what we can do in those situations?

And the call. Literally, it's all the power. Having that power ourselves that, like, we are not, like, people, like you said, people are like, oh, you're prostitutes, you're being painful, you're anything. Like, our husbands are consensual with us. But as far as the fans go, or the request. goes, no is a full sentence. Yeah.

Or like, we do not have to do anything that we don't want to do. And I think it's really opened up a space for the future of, you know, sex workers where it is much safer. It's on your terms. And you can still provide for your family,

pay those bills, you know, whatever your goals are in sex work, and do it in your way in a safe space. Yeah. I imagine a lot of the criticism, or I've heard, and again, I'm fairly ignorant to the space, so let me know if I'm wrong.

But, you know, especially for women who might be criticizing you women. Yeah. Like, I imagine, like, there's just a lot of lonely men out there. Maybe some of those men are in relationships are married. Have you been accused of being, like, home wreckers and things like that? And then what would you say to those women who feel a certain way about making connections with their husbands? I feel like that goes back to the communication that the husband and wife should be having. Yeah.

Yes, we are like facilitating this. But we're out there. But they're making that choice. I would say like personal responsibility, right? And there are multiple times where I'm on a call. Somebody will tell me they're married and like they're almost, they are reaching out for help. Truly, I hear it.

I know that it's not right for them to be like paying and all this. But like while I'm on the call with that person, I will help coach them. I will be like, hey. You've been like a therapist. Yeah. Sometimes I literally feel like a therapist. I like, you do.

They should have talked to your wife. Like sit down, like, tell her how you feel. Right. Or they're like, how do I get into this? How do I talk to my wife about this? Right. How do I talk to my wife about this? Do you feel like you've saved at least one marriage?

I hope. I hope so. I don't know. Maybe the fact that like they don't talk to us anymore means that they don't know. Oh, there you go. And I'm fine with that. I'm not saying that like, you know, these people think that like we're so cutthroat that we need like all this.

I'm like, no, we still want our fans happy. But we're just here to provide like. It's an interaction. It's a service. And in some ways, I just think it's like, you know, it's a transaction. And I think for a lot of, like, fans, too, it's a fantasy. It's an escape. Right.

You know what I mean? And we're actresses in their own plan. Yeah. Do you feel like there's maybe a taboo for your fans as well as there, like, might be for you? Like, people who watch and subscribe and pay for content? I imagine if someone were to say, oh, no, I subscribe to her page, they would be met with, similar, not maybe similar criticism, but criticism itself. Yeah, a lot of people want to maintain their confidentiality.

And listen, I just want to assure our fans as well, just because we're on TV, does not mean we're going to out you and be like, oh, this person follows me and this. Right. Obviously, we're in this, have been in this space for so long because, you know, I feel like we do, we respect that relationship as well and confidentiality when we were trying to hide and we wouldn't want somebody to rat us out. It provides no benefit for us to out somebody else on something we're doing. I honestly, yes, encourage, like, if the guy is saying things like that. Like, you won't

tell my wife, will you? Like, talk to her. Like, have the conversation, like, open up, like, have the conversation about, like, having your wants and your needs met, like, between husband and wife. Right. Yeah. Try to be open-minded and make that connection. Yeah. I just think it's so funny because, like, I'm getting thrown so much, like, hate right now towards me and my husband and our, in our hometown, but it's just kind of funny because at the same time, I'm getting so many subscribers

from people in my own town. And they're telling you, like, hey, I'm from. Yeah, they're like, won't tell me their names, but, like, will give me details about how they know me or I'm like, I'm not going to out of any of your subscribers are, like, people you see every day. Yeah, absolutely.

When we get messages all the time, like, they'll see us out in public in our towns and be like, hey, I saw you here today, but they won't come up to them. Have any of those? Have any of them all, like, because sometimes you wear a disguise or you have, do you still wear a disguise? No.

Okay. As soon as the trailer aired, that was me being out. Yeah. Have any of your customers worn disguises? Some people point the camera at their faces. Like, they'll just, you know. I don't think I've ever experienced it. I don't know.

There's some fetish stuff, a lot of masks. Yeah. What's the goofiest mask? A dragon mask. Really? I am not. That's wild. That's funny.

I think back to like the business side of everything. I know it's such a common question is like how do taxes work? Like how are we doing? Taxes just like everybody else. But you have to hold it out yourself. We're 1099. Yeah. But you have to keep track of that like all yourself.

Like I think the biggest mistake that people make is coming in being like, I'm going to make this extra money. Because they need it, they treat it like a part-time job. But I'm like, you didn't think about holding out taxes. Half of that is not yours. That's actually funny because so many people in the comments will be like, don't let the IRS see this. And we're like, we pay taxes. Just like everybody else.

Right. The IRS is subscribed. The IRS is probably like make that money. And do you women talk about the type of content you make? I'm just curious. Like I guess again at your comfort level, is it just pictures and just videos solo? Are you do any of you participate in the act of sex with your partners and show that?

Like what is what is what are you all doing? I don't know what we can say. Yeah. It's I don't know. We collaborate. I think that there's, you know, it's all consensual. You know, we collaborate and, you know, everybody's kind of got like their own little niche. I think this is one thing too.

Like within like we call it like our lifestyle is like a lot of people have different boundaries. Like it's not one shoe fits all. And so that's where like respect and communication and being vulnerable and honest, like even within the community, like holds a lot of weight because you want to make sure that you're not crossing a line with another couple. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What is the need for the use of like kind of some of these code words? Is it like the collaboration instead of saying what maybe it really is?

Is that like to keep people curious about what's on your page? Is that just, I would say, like that's why it is a term, like in content creation, a collab. You do a collab with another creator. Right. It just means you're working with them and whatever facet that is. But yeah, I would say like, obviously, like the show is going to go into our stuff like a lot more. And so I'm so sorry because we're so open and we would love to be like, yes, this is everything. But I would just encourage the viewers to watch and stay tuned. See where it goes. And we'll ask a question about Megan. Let's get into it First episode was very She alluded to you doing this horrible thing That she thinks that you did

That has ruined her life Second episode we find out I was like who did she kill I know we were like oh my gosh This must be so bad Turns out she thinks you are the one who outed her With the newspaper Did you find that out in real time filming

Or did you know that that was something she thought A lot of information we found out recently. Yeah. So for three years we have been friends and not once has she said this to me. Oh, wow. So I have a lot of feelings about this. And what I can truly say is that the truth is revealed and people show their true colors. And, you know, sometimes people say things because no one is talking about them.

So they have to talk about other people. That's what I will say. Do you know how she got found out? Yes. Yeah. You do. Okay. You'll see on the show.

The truth is revealed. Wow. She did say on the second episode that if she could do it all over again, she would, she would not participate in content creation or adult content. I'm sure that has happened with people. Like what are your thoughts on that? And have you encouraged her to stop if she's not comfortable with it? Or do you think that's how she truly feels? You know, see, that's so interesting because it's like, I can speak for.

myself. I don't know about you girls exactly on this topic, but I feel very used. By Megan. Yes. You know, saying things like that, like, I wish I would have never done it. Like, we have said like, why are you still doing it then? Like, what are you still doing? And I truly think it's just about, you know, she's hanging on to it and to us to pay her bills. Yeah. The fact is, I think that, you know, it really is about you can't, sure, everybody wants the reward. Everybody wants the paycheck from it, but it comes at a cost. Yeah. We're not here saying there's no consequence to it.

Right. And so, yes, as you're kind of saying, like, if you were using somebody else for the financial benefit, but then not willing to put yourself out there like other people have sacrificed, that's a little hard to swallow. I, yeah, whenever I heard that Megan was making that accusation about Breit, I was completely just shocked. because I know Bree and her character and the type of friend that you are

and I'm just like, what? Like, that's so far. And she can't be relied to as well. Yeah, yeah. There's so much I could say on this one. Like you... I mean, you can. Yeah, so I will just say that like, you know,

to make that accusation and then actually at the time three years ago she came to me for help wanting me to contact, like get her in touch with reporters. But to make that accusation on the show, make this make sense. So it's like she wanted to do interviews

about being a teacher who did content creation? Do we think it's because she saw how successful it was for you? This is something I really didn't catch on to until Macy brought it to my attention, but you said you kind of picked up on a lot of jealousy. Yes, yeah.

You find out who your true friends are. Yeah, honestly. So you guys use content creation, obviously, as a way to describe what you do. You've also used the word sex work What are labels that you women are comfortable with and what are labels that you find to be offensive or you don't appreciate? I don't appreciate being called a prostitute. I am not a prostitute.

What about porn star? I don't mind that, but like I don't think we can say that on a lot of like. I don't. Yeah, I think that was censored for like TLC was kind of like, you know, don't say porn. A lot of people are like, call it what it is. It's porn. And it's like, well, I don't think we can say that on. TV. There's a little bit of a gray area to that though too. And like I guess we do get kind of nitpicky with how our labels are because we want to be portrayed to the right audience in the right way. And I would say even like with porn star, it's funny. Like I only think about this because of the platforms and how they categorize us. So there is kind of like a differentiation between adult content creators and porn stars. And I think that breaks down into mainstream. Yeah, mainstream versus which everybody do it your own way. That's fine. But I think it does just help hone in your audience. And I think that breaks down. And it. Which is what? Mainstream. Yeah. Mainstream versus which everybody do it. It does. It does just help hone in your audience. And I think. And I think.

a little bit more. Yeah. The content creators are very like organic, amateur. Like you're doing it. You're doing this all yourself. Right. You know, where there's a mainstream. There's a lot more hands in the pot in it.

Yeah. Right. Like there's a big difference between amateur porn. Porn. I also hear a lot of people having kind of like management or things like that. Do you agencies? I do not personally. Yeah, we do not.

You do it all yourself. No. And I think I take immense pride in that. Yeah. And yes, I understand. for some people. Right. People aren't dumb. Like, they know the difference and I know that some people choose to just go the financial benefit. But I think long term, it's a poor choice, personally. I think it's a poor choice to use management agencies. And when you say that, because you're, is that because

the agencies who are helping you are sometimes the ones communicating with your fans? Yeah, because they're chatting and sending out stuff. And yeah, it's the financial reward. But the whole premise of what we are based on is being ourselves and so that people can access us. That is what they're Yeah. And you can tell the difference, like, versus a creator who uses management and doesn't. Like, the management is literally spamming you all day long 24-7. Like, if I follow a creator, I have to sometimes mute them because their agency is sending me messages every 30 minutes. Right. And I'm like, and I don't knock anybody, this is to say, I don't knock anybody that has tried it. Because I think there's a lot of, like, a lure. We have people reaching out to be our, you know,

agencies for us all the time. And, you know, I don't blame somebody for trying because they make it seem like, hey, this could be all like great. But there's another side of it that people just have to consider. And I think, unfortunately, reputation in this line of work is very important. And if you do something like that to destroy your reputation, you could be over. Your business is over. Everything that you've sacrificed for and put out there is over. And even more so with your friends and who you collaborate with. Right. Exactly. We have to be very careful, I think, of, you know, people that don't necessarily, you know, walk in, you know, the same authentic way that we do and that may not always have the best intentions in mind. You know, you have to have people that play well with

others that understand trust and collaboration. Right. And that you can't do this along. Are meat and greets a thing? Like in person? I have not done one yet. We did like a golf thing. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. So my husband and I hosted a golf tournament. And yeah, so there's plenty of, But we kind of like find each other online. That is the benefit of social media. It's not just to reach our fans for business. It's to reach other creators that are out there. Yeah.

And, you know, people will find each other. Drew and I hosted a golf tournament last year. And that was for fans and creators to come to so that fans had an opportunity to like, you know, meet their fans. And such a classy way to go back to. It was just centered around like a common, you know, well, two common goals, I guess golf. Or maybe some people didn't play golf really. But yeah, it just the fact that we are. opening ourselves up and obviously still being safe, but vulnerable enough to meet our fans.

Because a lot of girls, you message, you won't get a response. Or like, you know, they're like, hey, you know, can we talk and they just snub you? And it's like, we want to show people that we are real people just like them. And I think the most common comment that I get is when people meet me, they're like, oh, actually, you're really easy to talk to. And I was like, sometimes I'm like, actually that makes me feel good because I've come a long way because you think so highly of me but I just think of myself as like still that like nerdy girl I'm just like somebody else. Have either any of you been propositioned to like experience a real life situation with any of you women? Is that like a thing? Oh my gosh. Like a family. Yeah. We know what they're in our

a lot of the first messages are can we collab and I literally say you cannot talk about that on this platform. Right. You cannot. Right. Like that is, it's not a dating site. Literally.

It's not a hookup site. So let me like clarify the whole like prostitute thing. On sex panther, it is a huge no no and rule that you cannot talk about. You can even like say the word of meat. Oh. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

So terms of service violation. Yeah. Because. Because. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's a that's a rule that the platform has for a fan. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And they like they block the word meat. So the fans will. like find some fancy way to like spell it differently with like threes.

I'm like, stop asking you're going to get me kicked off. You're going to get kicked off if you keep talking about that. Or I'm going to have to block you like if you don't stop. Has the amount of money you women have made, I guess like shifted your boundaries, right? Because it's like it's one thing. It's like, oh, wow, it's like I made. Yeah, you're like, I'm going to start with heat picks. And you're like, wow.

Okay. Maybe I'll do more. And maybe I'll do more. There's like what has a price, so to speak. And how do you guys like... Nothing was really off the table for me. I mean, getting so. My husband should be here because he always says everything has a prize.

And I'm like, okay, well, maybe not everything. I think a little differently. But, you know, again, we have the power to say no. Yeah. I think it is encouraged, you know, to keep your mind open to possibilities. But at any point, you can be like, nope, I'm only going to post feet pictures. I will never do anything else. And that is fine.

And I'm not comfortable with something, you don't have to do it. business partners, how do they handle that, like, everything has a price conversation, right? Because at the end of the day, it's your body, it's your choice. It's not certainly like, how do your husband's like, if there's, is there ever a conversation where there's like an offer on the table, it's a lot of money and you're just like, I don't know. And he's just like, what? Like, what is that conversation looks like? Consent.

You know, my husband would never put me a situation to be like, hey, you should do this because I want you to do it or you could make this much money. It's like we we all know like consent. If I'm not okay with something, it doesn't, it doesn't happen. Yeah. Right. There's not a conversation to like try to change your mind. It's just like this is what of this.

I tell him he can do it if he wants. I know. It's funny. With mine, I set all like I set all my prices and then I help him set his prices. So it's yeah, like we work together. Yeah, it's not like a conversation like you should. Right. Yeah.

Going back to like boundaries and communication and respect like within this community. Like my husband and I, we only play together with other people. And so like me knowing like our boundaries, I'm like, okay, you know, like, yeah, I wouldn't do that. You know what I mean? So it's like, I think it brings up a conversation though. And sorry if I'm like stealing this, but like I think it brings up a conversation of that boundaries can change and boundaries can shift. Like I think that's probably the point you're getting to is that it's okay to be like, actually, you know, that wasn't as bad as I thought.

Or I was wrong about that. Or, hey, I'll give it another try. You know, that's fine. But communication is the key there, right? It's never a first thing. It's never like, hey, you should take one for the team and do this because I want you to do it. Right. We don't do that.

That's not a healthy, you know, it's not a healthy practice in any form. How do you, as a couples, check in with each other when you're collaborating with other creators? I always make it a part of the point, I think at the beginning of any collaboration to say, like, okay, so what are your, what are your nose? Like, what are you not comfortable with? With your husband? Everyone. Everyone is collaborating. Everyone that's collaborating should be involved in the conversation about consent,

what they're comfortable with and what they're not comfortable with. So it's really good to start out and make sure everyone's on the same page at the beginning. You don't want to have any. Surprises? Exactly. Obviously, there's like, you know, like the swingers is a whole like different community. And do you women feel like when you're collaborating, it's just work? So it doesn't feel like it's it doesn't feel like sex or it doesn't feel like sex or it doesn't

feel like like swinging or is it like how does how do you manage those conversations yeah because people are like oh when you have sex how is it not intimate and I was like okay well your your heart right I was like I'm not looking for a relationship I'm not looking for a replacement and um you know it's it's it's there's a business side of it but also you have to be able to kind of have some like trust and connection by with somebody attraction to do that um to put yourself in that situation but yeah, it's never, you know, it's never like, ooh, I'm afraid somebody is feelings. And listen, my husband is the best one to say this because he's like, hey, he's like, if somebody else started getting feelings for me or I got feelings, like it's not possible.

He says it's not possible for me to develop feelings for somebody else because if there was ever space for me to love somebody else, then I wasn't truly fully committed to you. It sounds like in a lot of ways doing this with your partners has improved your connection. Yes, I was just about to go there. I 100% I feel like especially I don't know just growing up in church like even just the word sex was so like frowned upon and like such negatively like talked about I'm like no like like God blesses that like you should want to like talk about like having a good sex life with your partner you know what I mean and so it's like yes I fully believe that you should want to like talk about like having a good sex life with your partner you know what I mean and so it's like yes I fully believe that that like swinging and just like having those super vulnerable open conversations with my husband has definitely made things better between us. You know, it's kind of like, and even sometimes, like you might see something online and

you're like, oh, this is a good idea. Let's try this. This could be fun. Have you guys ever collaborated without putting it online where it just becomes something you guys are doing for fun? We play the camera all the time. Yeah, absolutely. That's how Drew and I started.

I mean, it was just really fun. to go back to, you know, how did you start this business? It was just fun because we found out we, we just liked, we enjoyed being watched. And then, you know, we would use that, like, within our marriage as like, oh, this is fun. Like, I, I enjoy, you know, seeing you feel good and you enjoy seeing me feel good. And it just was the basics from there. Yeah, I think, too, like, I've always thought about, like, when my husband is playing with someone else and I'm playing with somebody else that, like, I'm, like, giving him a gift.

I'm like, I love you like so much that like I want you to have fun. I want like I know he wants me to enjoy myself and have fun and I want the same for him. And so I think when you have like that like I don't know perspective and just like love for one another. Has it ever replaced like a Valentine's Day gift or a birthday gift? I do. Not for me, but I do have a friend that does that. Oh, really? Is there like a debrief like a like a conversation?

Oh yeah. That's a very much. You know, it's just like just a check in. Oh, usually right after. It's never in the same room with the people because, listen, we have to talk about that too, be like, did you like this? Did you enjoy? What did you not? It's so about open communication.

And let me also clarify here, too, that what we do in this lifestyle is not a fixer for a relationship. Okay? A lot of people, the biggest misconception about what we do in this lifestyle is that people are in miserable marriages. They're not happy. This is a last resort. And no, we, we. once again are very honest with people when they ask about, you know, this open lifestyle and getting into it that like if your marriage is not rock solid. You do not have all the elements to a successful marriage anyway of trust and open communication and boundaries and respect.

This is not for you. Do not even do not even. Yeah. Yeah. You have to have a good foundation. And yeah, somebody asked me the other day of like, you know, did you or your husband ever like do this before? you got married and I asked, I was like, I guess I just never asked my husband. I asked him and he was like, no, like, I haven't because I've never trusted anyone as much as I trust you. And I feel like that's really the foundation of it is that trust and respect. And like you said, open and honest

communication constantly. Like, it's not like a one-time conversation. It's all the time. I think the show does a great job of showing just how like secure all of it. of y'all are in your marriages. I'm glad you did. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. Macy, what's your relationship with your parents these days? I don't want to give any spoilers away. So you'll have to tune in.

Bree, we saw in the trailer, you kind of say divorce is not off the table. You and Philip kind of go through some peaks and some valleys where I mean, you're wearing your wedding ring today. Where can we talk about like where you? I'm still married. You're still married. Okay. So I think

sometimes marriage can be hard and there are struggles and for me I do think this I would say you know it's a balancing act parents spouses business partners that see each other 24-7 um content creation lifestyle stuff just there's so much that we are navigating um and marriage can be hard there are challenges for every marriage whether you're a part of content creation or not. So yeah, you'll definitely see us. How much of your challenges do you think are just typical like marriage challenges versus content creating? Yeah. We have very different communication styles. Okay. So it's not the content creating that created the challenges. No, no, no, no. Communication styles, you know, sometimes boundaries. It's, yeah, it's, I think

everyone goes through challenges. You're all moms? Yes. So can we talk, I want to talk about the parenting aspect. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm very fascinated about that. Obviously, we're young parents, we're new parents. Well, we're new parents. I'm less young than she is. So exciting.

That's just obviously just a very different conversation. When kids are involved, it just changes the calculus. I get a little nervous about when I have to tell my kids I was at the bachelor and what that's the look like. I imagine that's very different for you women. Like how have you, many of your kids are younger? I think one of the women, forget her name. She has an 18-year-old daughter.

That was very fascinating because it was like, and again, obviously it's a TV show, but they were just like, I don't know, we're not, I don't ever want to tell our kids. That's not for them to know. And it's just like, well, now they're going to know. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's one thing for you women to be like, you know what, I'm used to criticism. I've dealt with it. I've handled it. I know how to process it internally. But no doubt, I'm sure your kids will, you know, go to the playground or go to school. And once word gets out, they will also receive feedback. criticism. How have you guys prepared your families for that? Yeah, I definitely want to say, so for one, in my household, we don't shame sex workers. I want my kids, when age appropriate, to be open-minded, be respectful of other people. I have always said that people can be different, and that is okay. Shaming other people is just not something that we do. And I just really love what you say. I also said yesterday, like, my mom wasn't a sex worker and I got bullied. Yeah, kids are just mean sometimes. And other adults are just mean they don't understand. And that's where kids learn from, which is a sad thing. And like, so, you know, once again,

setting a good example for our kids and honestly, whenever age appropriate, using just being honest with our kids, I, the only way that I can help, you know, my children understand one day is if we have, have a solid relationship where they feel comfortable coming to me first because I want them first and foremost to have the correct information. Everybody else is going to have opinions or say what things are, but I want them to be trained to come my husband and I first so that we can help, you know, equip them. And yes, they might not agree with our choices. They might not, you know, understand, you know, everything. And, but just as with a parent, like, I look at my parents and I was like, I would do things a little differently as well.

Like, I think that's normal things of life. But the fact is that, you know, we are still parents. We are still navigating the normal challenges of life. And it's just got a different layer to it. I think, too, it's like you don't know exactly how to handle a situation until you're in it. And so I think to have like kind of just taking things as they come. Trust. Yes.

And my son's five. You guys had any parent teacher conferences since? I have not. I'm curious how that will go. Like, have you been good at, like, almost, yeah, I just have, like, imagine, like, sitting down for a parent-teacher conference and feeling like that teacher on the cross-room table knows what you do, and they give you a certain vibe. And, like, you know, do you almost fantasize, not fantasize the wrong word, but, like,

about how you would want to, you know, defend your choices, defend your family across the table from someone who's clearly judging. I feel like my thing is with that whole thing is, like, okay, we're here to talk about our kid. Let's focus on the topic here. Right. Like that, like, let's leave that at the door, like that's separate. Like, I feel like, I mean, I mean, you're, you were a teacher, but never have I, I mean, my son's been in preschool. And so I, well, I'm trying to think. I think I've had one. But never in that conversation was I asked at the parent teacher conference of, what do you guys do for work. Yeah. You know what I mean? She's not a normal. Yeah. So I feel like that would just be very,

like, kind of weird. and awkward. I think people have a choice. People always have more choices in this than they want to say that they do because, listen, we've had some family and friends. And obviously I know that not everybody approves of it. But I will say it gives them the opportunity. They have the chance to really stand out to still love you and appreciate you as a person, even if you disagree on, you know, what you do in the bedroom or, you know, online. You know, and we've been very fortunate that we do have a lot of friends and family that are very supportive, but still in that same realm. And I have the utmost respect for them for still at the end of the day, just focusing on the common ground

and seeing us as people and seeing us as we are, that is we're a little different. It's like you can, like you just said, like you can still respect us, but not agree with us. Have you lost anybody in your lives due to this? Yeah. And what were those conversations like? Yeah, it was like as soon as the news came out, as soon as they learned Darcy. we were different people to them. The sad ones for me of the losses of relationships are the ones that I didn't even realize I was losing because they never came to me and told me people that I've known for years

and years and years just suddenly stopped engaging with my stuff, stopped texting, stopped calling or even took it a step further and all of a sudden it was a topic of conversation around everybody else, but not to me. I'm assuming some critics have asked you, like, what would you say to your kids when they turn 18 and they say, mom, I want to be an adult content creator? How would you handle that? I think the most important thing is that they're safe. Yeah. They're doing it in a safe way. Right.

They are consenting. And they have the information that they need. Yeah. So making... So as long as they have the information, you would support it. Making an educated choice, making sure that they're safe. I like still I just go back to being open minded and accepting people for who they are and not judging. So if I knew that they were safe and taken care of, that's all I could hope for.

I think just as parents, we want our kids to be happy and listen, you know, I think I still would stray away from being like, you should do this or you should not do this. Like, but still, you know, like, I mean, I remember like my parents being like, I want you to be this. I want you to be that. But like at the end of the day, like I want them to, you know, I want them to, you know, I want them to. seek what makes them happy, but correct, like on the basis that they are like, you know, safe, taking care of and that they truly understand because I don't know that anybody truly understands at 18. Yeah. Yeah. How long do you all plan on doing content? Is there a specific goal at which you like call it and you end it? Or what does that look like? I'm open to whatever doors open, honestly, at this point. I try not to get so hard bent on the details of like, we have a five year plan,

a 10 year. Right. We will do, you know, whatever we need to do as long as we need to do it, as long as that's working. But, you know, we have to face the fact that it's like, okay, yeah, we're not going to look this way forever. And even though there are certain niches for different things like that as you age and everybody's into different things that kind of automatically, like then you have to rebrand yourself. So I'm really excited. Another reason why I'm just very passionate and excited to do this show with these girls is that, you know, I do believe that it will open up opportunities out there. People will see us for who we are.

And we are not just sex workers, too. Like, we have personalities. We have other hobbies, interests. We're nerds like, you know, there's so much of life that we still want to live and that we are living. Right. Even with this scope in on our content. Right. Do any of you have enough?

Like, I think you mentioned, I don't want to do this forever. Has that changed or, because when you say it, it almost sounds like, I have a certain dollar mountain in mind. I don't know. 10 years from now, I don't know if I can see myself still doing adult content. So, yeah, it's, I'm just taking a day by day. So I really don't have like a plan. In the preview, someone was driving like a Lamborghini or a Ferrari. Who was that? Who was that? Is that my, wait. In the show? And we and Nathan got a Corvette. Oh. We got in my Clarenge.

Yeah. We got all the Clarence is better. That was in the show too. That's pretty cool. husband's gift. Yes. But yeah, I will say, I mean, I don't know. Obviously, like you guys were saying, like, kind of go day by day and like take it as we go. So it's not like, oh, if we make $5 million, let's be done. Oh, I think I could stop it.

Listen, the thing about being successful is that I don't think you're ever really done, right? You have to keep. Yeah, once you get it, then you. Right, yeah, you have to maintain it. But, you know, and that is what promotes growth, though, right? whatever direction, just staying open-minded to whatever doors and opportunities, like, you have to kind of keep your ears open for stuff. But I would say it comes from a little bit of stress, you know, causes growth, too much comfort, you know, and you're not growing and you're staying. So

whatever that is, just keeping moving forward and being open-minded, we're open to things. My thing is, too, like, I genuinely love what I do for work. You know what I mean? So I'm like, what would I do? Like, you know? But I'm a big fan of this lady, Brandy Love. She is a porn star, but she always is like killing it on the letterboard or leaderboard, thank you, on Sex Panther. And that just inspires me so much. And I just love that, I forget exactly how old she is. Yeah, she's like the OD. Can you break down like what is leaderboard?

Rankings of stuff. So certain platforms promote you. Only fans was not. Certain platforms promote you from within. And so the more money you make, the higher you get on the leaderboard and the more visibility you have, which is why we really love that platform. Can you explain the Milf House a little bit more? I love how you describe it as a more like tone down version of what you ladies do, but it also has the name Milfaus. Great branding.

We are what we are, right, at the end of the day. But it was just a group that we started just to showcase just being fun moms. And yes, we have the side, but it's just been fun. I think like it's cool for people to see. like fans to see the contrast of like like this PG like fun cutesy look but but yet you can if you click other links or like if you go to this other page you can see the spicy side of us yeah yeah um but i mean at the end of the day i've really enjoyed like having that aspect and like adding that to us because we just have so much fun like just can make silly reels and tick talks and yeah

We do other things when we get together also. Yeah. Yeah. And so you leaned into the like the church girl character. Yeah. You leaned in the teacher. What was your kind of initial? Erica Swings.

Yeah. Erica Swings is my name. So I kind of have a double life within a double life. Like people to the world know me as Tammy, but online I've always been known as Erica and so yeah, that's kind of like. Oh, was it your husband who was like, I've never met an ugly Erica? Yeah. Shout out Erica's.

Yeah. Shout out all the beautiful eras out there. And have you. stuck with these particular personas or is it fun to maybe play different characters and what other I guess personas have you enjoyed? I don't really do like anything with that teacher niche. Like I mean, I have because I get requested a lot. Okay. But I'm just me. Honestly. Yeah. I think it's very funny because I am flexible. I will try. I will put on different hats. Right. There's ones that I'm more comfortable in. I'm definitely more of like the submissive like the you know the mom next door kind of like innocent

type thing but you know I definitely have like a fun side and I'm open to a lot of things but I think it's funny on the show it's like they showcased me and that like black leather like thing and that was totally but I had so much fun with it because that's right I'm not like like a domy mommy as they call it really but if I get comfortable in the right character with somebody you take charge it motivates me and that's probably that people please are in me as well that I'm like you know what actually I could see this because they make it so easy so it's fun I'm learning things about myself and discovering new things that I'm open to they've only seen the first episode right yeah what was that like watching that back it was wild so it felt like I was an emotional roller coaster I was

like all right guys you ready I think the biggest shock to all of us was that um throughout filming throughout this process, you know, Megan was our, for the most part, our friend and really had us convinced that she had our backs. So that was surprising. Are you worried about what more you will learn from maybe her interviews and things like that? There's conversations obviously were had in rooms that we were not in. Right. And I think once again, this is just a such a good example of why like your integrity and being authentic. matters because the truth will come out and I think people will see things for what they are and we're having to learn things, you know, ourselves in this process as well that, you know,

some people don't think the way that we do and not even in a way of just like that different is bad, but that we realize that there, not everybody always has the best intentions out there, but we really, it really helps solidify, like, who, you know, who our tribe is and help attract other people, because, like, we are an open group. We want to bring people in. We want to grow this community, but we do have to be careful about, you know, our reputations and who we allow access to us. So are all three of y'all no longer friends with Megan? I don't know if we can really say that. Yeah. Is that a spoiler? Tune in.

What conversations around the whole reality? TV aspect because we've obviously covered this space for a long time. You don't have to be an adult content creator for reality TV to, you know, make a wedge between a couple. There's been a lot of reality TV couples who have not lasted as a result of the drama and the, and the lack of control you have in reality TV. And I think the theme when I'm hearing from you women, when it comes to being adult content creators, is the control you do have, the agency that you have, the agency that you have, the ability to say yes and the ability to say no, but when it comes to making a reality TV show,

that's a very, that's very, very different. It is. How have you had conversations, what conversations have you had with your partners about how to, you know, not allow this show to create a wedge that would never be there otherwise? Because reality TV,

I can just tell you from my experience, can definitely do that. And, you know, these shows need drama. They need to, they want to have the interpersonal relationships and the conflict. and that's very different than the space you women have been working in. Philip and I came into this, like, you know, we don't really have anything to hide. Yeah, we definitely get, things get interesting for us on the show.

But, you know, to me, it's we know where we stand at the end of the day. Yeah. And, yeah, like, I don't, our relationship is real and we have real conflict just like every other relationship. So at the end of the day, like, we still know where we stand. And, um, yeah, it gets interesting. Like going into doing the show, I was like, I need to choose my words very wisely because you don't know how things are going to be pieced together. You know, I think that for Drew and I, too, like our character, regardless of what, you know, is maybe highlighted or low-lighted on the show, our character should speak for itself in real life. And that's why we try so hard,

just to be the same, you know, on screen and off screen. Like I think we are. But yeah, hopefully that's highlighted. But I know in the end, like people can throw shade. People can say all these things, all these accusations. Like there's always going to be that. You're putting yourself out there for criticism. But the people that know us, know us.

And that's why it's so important to have that integrity and be who you are. Yes. Every day. Let your character speak for itself. Yes. Outside of the content creation aspect, this show very much reminds me of the secret lives of Mormon-Wy. Are you ladies familiar with that show, fans of it? I've never watched it.

I've heard it. I haven't watched it. Okay. What are your thoughts? Do you see the similarities? Really, the only thing that's similar is the name. We like, yeah, I mean, to my knowledge, they weren't doing spicy content. No, yeah.

So, for me, the show is so important because, like, in our industry, like, we are literally trailblazing a path. Like, we are the first. This is, like, we are, there's show, I mean, for content creators, to make like a mainstream network like this. Yeah. This is brand new. Yeah.

And so for people saying that like we're a knockoff or a copycat, no, we're not. Honestly, the first. Yeah. Yeah. So shout out. Shout out to Scott Productions. Yes. Thank you.

Thank you, Scout. Just don't have the dads do like a Dillf house. There's this whole dad talk thing and it like ruined the show where the husbands kind of got jealous of the wives. It seems like the husbands and your husbands are already heavily involved and very supportive. of. So I hope that with no doubt the success and fame that you will receive from the show, because I don't see how it's not going to be a hit. I hope that that doesn't change for your

relationships. Right. I feel like at the end of the day, like what we keep coming back to is like just that open, honest communication and like that respect that we show our spouses, but also like just to each other. And that we try to show to everyone that we encounter, you know what I mean? And yeah, It's like, I just, I think about it and the fact of like you've built that foundation of trust that you just have to trust each other. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think this community was not built by accident.

Right. It has been a very intentionally built community. And we continue to, you know, go that way because that has, what has worked for us. And I believe what has got us here. And yeah, I'm excited for where it's going. Well, it is a great show. Thank you. Thank you.

I cannot wait to keep watching it and binging it. So congratulations, ladies. Thank you so much. Thank you. Well, before we let you ladies go, is there any final thoughts or a message you want to leave with our audience or anything we didn't cover that you want to address or talk about? Just to be kind and treat us like human beings and like show us a little bit of respect. You know what I mean? I would say hang in there also.

There's a lot of criticism of like the first episode. I've seen so much good and so much. And so much like, oh, criticism and skepticism. Right. You think you might know. It gets wild. Yeah. It is a lot of secrets.

And on the end, there is so much story that has yet to be told that let's cross our fingers for a season two. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, they'll be a season two. Yeah. Well, congratulations on the show. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Thank you so much. Being so open and vulnerable and talking about something that is both sensitive and obviously very fascinating for a lot of people. And obviously the fascination comes from. both fans and critics. If I can offer you any advice, just don't read the comments.

I love reading the comments. I'm like in the comments with popcorn. I'm a seasoned vet with hate comments. God bless. I try to focus on the positive comments. Truly, thank you for coming. I really appreciate you guys talking about this. It's truly fascinating.

And just congratulations on the show and really excited for the, I mean, it's a fascinating show. And I really think you're, You ladies struck gold and congrats to TLC. They really knocked it out of the park with this one. Yeah. Thank you.

Thank you so much for having us.