The Viall Files - E118 Chris Harrison recaps Listen To Your Heart Ep 2

Episode Date: April 21, 2020

Chris Harrison joins Nick to recap the second episode of Listen To Your Heart (LTYH). But first, Chris opens up about how the quarantine is affecting his family. Then they discuss whether Trevor was in the wrong or not with the “cheating” allegation, they talk about Julia’s battle with cystic fibrosis and notice that Brandon is keeping his options open. Plus, Chris reveals what is in the works for Clare’s season and whether or not the LTYH cast will be on Bachelor in Paradise. Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS: GRUBHUB: https://www.grubhub.com CODE: VIALL See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What's going on everybody welcome to another episode of the vile files happy Monday night if you are tuning in right after listen to your heart or Tuesday or whenever you finally get to us another fun episode of listen to Heart. I hope you guys are enjoying it. And if you are watching it and enjoying it like I am, make sure you're spreading the word to all your Bachelor Nation friends out there. We got a great episode. Chris Harrison is our guest today. Daddy Harrison to give us an update on all things Bachelor Listen to Your Heart. Talk about just kind of how the show started and get to know some of these cast characters and a little behind the scenes about them, as well as some updates on all things Bachelor Nation,

some of these quarantine couples that are going on and what's the latest on Claire's season, Bachelor in Paradise. And it was great to chat with Chris. Also, hey, Rochelle, how are you doing? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. I'm settled into my life here. That's one of those things I think a couple weeks ago, I was like, hey, we're recording from home. And now it's the new normal, I guess.

You're going on Zoom dates, you said. I'm chatting with people. i'm crashing a few zooms um you know i'm just trying to keep my mind clear also bonus i got a new rug i'm excited about that uh continue to you know think of the positive things you can do out there and help uh those you can um i know a lot of people unfortunately are just trying to get by and take care of themselves and that's understood and for those people who can help, you know, try to help when you when you can. Other than that, let's, let's get to the episode. Again, we have Chris Harrison on really appreciate it. And then tomorrow, Ben Higgins, you will definitely want to check that out. It's a great

episode with Ben. And we have some really kind of personal and deep conversations I think you'll enjoy. So without further ado, Daddy Chris Harrison. Chris, how's it going? I'm good, Nick, man. Just living life in the quarantine, probably like you. Yeah, yours might be a little bit more exciting. You at least have Lauren with you. And I saw that you had your kids playing games.

Yeah, my teenage kids. My son is 18. He's a senior in high school. My daughter's a sophomore. Well, I guess now they've probably both graduated. So I guess maybe she's already a junior because school's over kind of. So it's a mess. Yeah. I feel bad for him, especially. Both of them have kind of gone through it. They have great perspective. But being a senior in high school, he plays spring sports. His sports are over. His career's over. I mean, he's not going to put on his uniform again. And that's tough.

That's a bummer. The sports aspect. I mean, look, school's important. I'm not saying that. But I mean, my senior year of high school, the school part, you know, the senioritis or whatever, it's just like, you know, you've pretty much learned what you're going to learn. But those moments in sports, if you played, like kind of to have the goodbye, you know, like it's like if you play professional sports, like to know you retired and kind of do the tour

and say your goodbyes and kind of take in the moment. It really sucks that he didn't get to do that. Well, for guys, that's our fraternity. It's what we belong to. And it's kind of what defined us in high school. I played soccer and, you know, football players, that's our fraternity. It's what we belong to. And it's kind of what defined us in high school. I played soccer and, you know, football players, all that stuff. So, you know, I think it's a little different for men. And you go through, you know, freshman year getting beat up and you're skinny and scrawny. And then, you know, you make it to the top and you always look forward to that senior year when you're going to be the guy.

You're a foot and a half taller than everybody. You got 80 pounds on everybody. You can start wailing and, you know, you dominate. And again, it is your swan song and it was kind of keeping him focused his senior year. I was kind of glad I said before the quarantine, I'm like, I was really appreciative of sports because it's keeping him fit, you know, focused, dialed in as we kind of wrap up senior year and then boom, it's over. And, you know, and for a dad, I was looking forward to that moment of walking him on the field on senior night, that one last time with my arm around him and probably tears in my eyes and it's gone. Graduation, gone. Prong, gone. All of it.

Now that you're saying it out loud, i literally thought about my senior year and uh you know track i ran you know i played all sports but track was my big one and i trained like i had i had a lot of success all through high school but i you know i i wanted i won some stuff but i wanted to win the 800 and this might not care about this but like i trained all year i mean i was i was doing repeat 400s in the dead of winter in wisconsin i busted my ass and had they had to cancel uh the track season and i i would have been devastated just truly truly dev i would i couldn't i really i'm thinking about it now and even now it's just like wow i really i really empathize with the people, like the

young, you know, seniors out there, men and women and whatever it was that they're into. Those are some moments that, that sucks that they can't go back to. There was like seven or eight of them. And, uh, you know, I'll never forget it was, you know, cause it was a month ago, but the coach called them all together. And then they had the meeting when he was saying we're postponing and most likely canceling this season. And, uh, you know, Joshua, my boy called me and he's like, Hey, you know, we're going to go out, even though we're kind of starting the quarantine, we're going to go out and grab one

last, you know, pizza together, just the seniors. And, you know, I said, Hey, go, this is it, man. Um, so he went out one last time and that's it. That's how it all ends for him. Um, and he, look, he's, they, they have perspective. They understand there's bigger fish to fry right now. And there's, they, you know, they understand the greater idea of what's going on with the quarantine, but you know, when it's impactful to you, it's impactful to you. That's all that matters. And for these guys, seniors in college, seniors in high school, it's a big deal. I told my daughter, I said, you're fortunate. You're a sophomore. This is going to be cleared up by the time you get to your junior year. And then on to your senior, you know, you'll probably have

life back to normal, but you know, no, no prom, no graduation. It's just weird. And the way we're going in California, Gavin Newsom's like, you know, we're shutting down until spring of 2025. He is really into this lockdown thing now. And he's, so so yeah I don't think we're even going to be able to graduate this summer yeah it's it's been nuts nuts we're adjusting as a society and it's it's it's been tough on a lot of people obviously it's it's nice to see the things that people are doing as a society to try to do their part so yeah I mean I think as everyone's is trying to get through it together and find your new normal,

that's a great way to say it. But that being said, thank God we have listened to your heart to get us through some of these new times. Another great episode. I'm really enjoying this season, Chris. Congrats on another quality show that quite honestly,

I'm hoping more and more Bachelor fans give it its due attention. I think we were talking about before we started, you know, people are resistant to change. This whole idea of, wait, what do you mean, The Bachelor and music? I don't know, like stay in your lane kind of thing. And quite honestly, it's another Bachelor show. If you like The Bachelor, you're going to like this show. And I'm really enjoying the music element to it you know because before in other shows of the bachelor like people try to sing and they're not like that great at it but now they'll start singing i'm almost kind of expecting the same kind of like kind of shitty performance

and then they'll sing and i'm like uh uh is it who it? Julia, this episode? She's phenomenal. It was just like, what a beautiful performance. Yeah. I think they were with Valentine in the morning. They went to a morning show and they set up that bit with her and she started singing like, oh my God, this woman has some pipes. But yeah, look, change is tough. And we've all been through a lot of change in the last month. But one thing that's exciting for me is trying to create and start a new show as a host, as a producer. I've been in this game a long time. It is a difficult thing to launch a new television show. I don't care who you are and what franchise you're from. This is the way it goes. You start kind of slowly and then it builds up steam and people find it. People find it. That's how this game goes. Anyone who thought you're just going to come out and hit

another home run right out of the gate, that doesn't happen in this business. I've been at this a long time. And so luckily I have the perspective, but it is a great show. And for all of us as producers crew, we knew we had a good show. We know we have something on our hands and now the people will find it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not worried about that. I expect more and more people to watch it. They'll stream it. They'll find it on their streaming services when, you know, sometimes it's like you need the, the, the kind of kick to be like, Oh, do I want to give it a shot? People are resistant to change. And I like it. You know, I think going back to the whole sports thing, I like it when people, when I'm an underdog,

I like when people are skeptical and people were very vocal. Like I am not watching this show. There's no way. And then Monday night, people are tweeting, okay, you got me. I'm in. And I love that. I love it. Come in skeptical as can be. And I'm telling you, I just watched, you know, the next episodes and I'm like, there are so many incredible stories. I'm hooked. I know what happens. And I am so hooked in trying to figure out what's going to happen. Like, wait, you idiot, you know what's going to happen. But I fall prey to it as well. There's some really good drama ahead. Yeah. It's real simple. If you like Bachelor in Paradise, you're going to like this show. You need to think more Bachelor in Paradise. It really is less idol, less the voice,

less singing competition. It really is about these relationships. And as we head into next week's episode, episode three, four, five, and six, these competitions, when they do perform, it's still about these relationships, the backstage drama. Are they in a fight? Are they just trying to fake it? What's going on? There's so many layers to it that when they perform that that's really just said this minute part of what's going on oh totally i mean i it's funny because i'm watching there's so many like wrinkles on this episode that uh relate to just you know what i like about the show obviously with you know especially this podcast uh and i think why in general the bachelor's franchise is successful is that we're dealing with real life dating situations the dynamic of I just want them to like me and the

love triangles of everything you know the show opens up with kind of everyone kind of digesting the last rose ceremony you know that kind of here's a new week new beginnings we always get the updates on the relationship who's the army army guy? Is it Brandon? Brandon. Yeah. So like, I love how classic, classic case of he's like, you know, I really, I really, really, really like, I'm grateful for my time with Julia and I'm really thankful. But, and it's just like, if a, if a guy in the real world says to you, listen, I really, really, really had a great time and I'm really grateful. Like he doesn't like you at all. Like I think. Well, and then how about flash forward to right after the rose ceremony? Oh my God. Perfect. Yeah. Right. And that was like the,

another like classic kind of guy move. The bookends of Brandon, he starts that episode saying, I kind of want to keep my options open. Then he seems to settle on Savannah. And I mean, moments after the rose ceremony, he slides up, he basically slides into Julia's DM and says, hey, I'm still figuring it out. You're still on the table. It's like, wow. And I love how Julia, when she's narrating what Brandon did. It's if she's like saying, this guy's a fuck boy. How dare him? Blah, blah, blah.

But she's saying it with a smile. And all she heard was, I still might like you. Which, how relatable is that? Where it's just like, here are all these red flags. Every one of your friends knows he's just fucking with you.

But you just like that you have a shot. And it always takes me back to Dumb and Dumber. So you're saying there's a chance. I'm sleeping with four other people. I am actually currently engaged. I have five children. You're cute. So you're saying there's a chance. People hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see. And it is why the show is so fascinating. And it's why I tell people it really is that bachelor in paradise because you're not just getting Nick Vial's perspective in his dating life. You're getting everybody.

So you're having Jamie, who's really young. You're having Rudy who, wow, like sitting there, she went through six different emotions and characters and then slapped Matt before making out with him. I'm like, like, what is happening in the Julia? So there's so, it really is like paradise where there's so many different layers and so many different relationships

and they're very different because people are coming from very different. Then you have the Jaden Tanner of it all with Chris and Brie who are just going to go have their own show. Yeah. I love apparently. That's so crazy. Oh, Chris is super sweet. What a, what a, they're going to be the, I think they're going to be the Jaden Tanner where they just like, you know what? We fell in love. We're going to go off and do our thing. You guys, you know, mess around. We'll see if that lasts. And that's the thing, you know, these, these relationships that are seemingly strong will ebb and flow and people change. And that's when it gets interesting. So let's, let's kind of break it down each, each of these relationships and maybe kind of chronological order. So like the big part of the show obviously was the the trevor and jamie right and it's um you know

yeah yeah which i don't i mean it seems like the trevor and jamie show we'll see if it will i mean who knows that and that certainly can come full circle next episodes maybe ryan pops back in but um you know i love that you know is trevor a great guy not they're on a date which uh i kind of teased it last podcast with Nikki Glaser. I was, I don't know if you know, I live in Venice, California. I was on a run and I got a text from Firestone. And she's like, are you running past me? And I'm like, yeah.

She's like, turn around. And they were filming this date. I was like, what? they were they were filming this date i was like what and so like they actually walked past i was i was catching up with uh one of the producers and uh i saw him and and it was it was kind of funny to see that they uh yeah trevor's trevor's past is really interesting obviously uh natasha his his well ex-girlfriend's friend came in and kind of blew him up and put him on blast in front of everybody. That was aggressive. You know, what is your thought on Trevor?

And this is what everyone's going to have to answer. Is he the F-boy? Is he the player? Is he playing Jamie? Is he playing this whole thing? Kind of like he played his way through, you know, Idol. Was he playing? You know, it's interesting. I had a lot of thoughts about this.

I didn't want to defend Trevor. You know, like I was critical of him last episode. My general thought on Trevor is he's probably a fine guy. He's also just a dude. What he is not, and my criticism of Trevor, is that he seems so self-aware of how he comes across on TV. And he's not a bad guy. He's just a guy.

What he is not is the overly sincere and emotional sweetheart that he wants people to think. That's my take. I think he's a fine guy, but he's just too, like, trying too hard to be super sweet and to me that comes it reads disingenuous right like but at the same time i don't want to like so i don't want to be defending trevor but like what did he do wrong i mean he might have done some things wrong in the past relationship so here this natasha girl rolls in like a fucking freight train and she's like i've never met this guy but I've heard some rumors and let me tell all you about it. And he better have told Jamie right away. Meanwhile, Trevor's known Jamie for what, 12 minutes? You meet someone and give them the details of like, I might've lied in a relationship

before, like cast the first stone. I will say this for Trevor. I mean, he, you know, did, did he own up to everything? You know, immediately with Jamie? No. Why would you say all that stuff? But at the same time, he was pretty clean. He's like, when he, even with Natasha, he's like, yeah, we dated for a year and a half. I probably stayed in the relationship too long and made some dumb mistakes. And I was like, okay, that kind of sums everybody up in the world. I've done the same thing. And I mean, if you shined a bright light on all of us, we probably wouldn't be that happy to have every detail of our life brought out in the open. And revisionist history too. I'm going to tell it from my side. His girlfriend's going to tell it from her side. If there's a breakup, it's probably

not because we loved each other too much and things are going too well. Exactly right. I mean, even the best relationships with the best guys, like if they leave the relationship, the other person is going to be hurt. And there's a good chance they might not see that person as amazing or lovely. Or for all you know, Trevor's ex-girlfriend, the last moment he might have talked to Natasha was when she was heartbroken and just saying a bunch of shit because she was hurt and upset. And maybe she feels totally different about Trevor now. We have no idea. Maybe Trevor is that guy. We don't know.

Yeah. Again, I suspect that Trevor is probably a fine guy. I suspect that Trevor is probably a fine guy. Where do you, like, and interesting in general, like, where do you come on the line of, like, the emotional cheating conversation? Like, first of all, I do not agree with Natasha when she's like, well, that's arguably worse. I'm pretty sure, like, I'm going to just put it out there that, like, I don't want to be emotionally cheated on. But if I have a girlfriend and she is having sex intercourse with another guy, definitely worse than sending a nude. I'm just saying. At what level are you emotionally cheating? You get into the weeds of this. It's like,

okay, you're starting to text somebody. Did someone slide into your DMs and you responded back? Is that emotionally cheating? Did you call them? Have you seen them? So what are we talking about here? I don't know what he did. And so you would have to go a lot deeper into this story of did he get two years into a relationship that he shouldn't have been in, realized he wasn't happy, wasn't man enough just to break up, which he admits that's what the problem was. I should have just broken up, but I didn't because I was scared of the breakup and scared of hurting her feelings. And so guys and women do this all the time. You pull apart, you try to make things so awkward that maybe they'll break up with you.

Guys, oldest trick in the book, we all know it. But maybe that's what he was doing. And then he started this talking with other people. Who knows? But that's what I love about this show and about The Bachelor in general is everybody can relate to some part of this. We've all been in relationships like this. Maybe we've all done things like this

and we regret it or we feel guilty. And you're like, yeah, it can happen. So it's very interesting. Totally. I totally agree. And I was actually texting with Nikki Glaser about it too. And, you know, it's just like, here's, Natasha comes in and she's like, he cheated, you know? And so listen, like I've never cheated on a girlfriend. I mean, technically have I emotionally cheated?

Probably, you know, like, yeah, I probably have in a sense. I'm sure like I've been in relationships. I've related the Trevor's reasoning of sticking in a relationship too long that last couple of months. So like you're fighting, but you look back and be like, you know what? I probably shouldn't. I was flirting with this person. I was, you know, I was doing those things. But at the same time, even let's say you did cheat. Like, is that like, there's always that rule. Like if the cheaters always cheat, is this who they are? If I meet someone and I start liking them and I'm really excited about them and then they tell me that like they cheated before, is that, is that a, is it a non-starter or is it a case by case

basis versus like, well, explain that situation to me, you know, that's, and that's kind of interesting. If you want to get deeper into this, it's like, you know, it really is that emotional cheating or the emotional leap that makes you want to break up in the first place. It is your thinking, whoever leaves a relationship, it's your thinking that this isn't it. This person, this man or woman is not my thing. And usually it's somebody else who opens your eyes or some other situation that opens your eyes to that. Now, is that cheating? Is that emotional? I don't know. Where do you draw that line of, there's a reason that you have gotten out of this relationship and there's a reason that person wasn't the one. I'm not even talking about Trevor anymore. I mean, just in general, you know, to your point, if you're not in love with that person, if that person is not the person you're supposed to be with, you know, you would want to know what that relationship was like. What were those, what was the breakup like? Who, you know, where was your head? Where were, you know, were you young? Were you, you know, like Jamie saying, I've always been cheated on. Well, you were a teenager then probably, and you were dating

teenage boys and that's what teenage boys and girls do. They just, they're all over the place. Their emotions haven't settled in yet. So, um, for Jamie to say, I've always been cheated on. It's like, well, if you told me that as a 38, 39, 40 year old, that's different than a 21 year old. So it's, it's perspective, it's life experiences. A lot goes into this. Totally agree. Exactly. So it's like, you know, even if you met a guy or a girl and she's like, yeah, I've cheated on my ex before that was seven years ago. And you know, I've cheated on my ex before. That was seven years ago. And what sucks for Trevor,

and he can't get this back and Natasha kind of ruined for him, is that we'll never know how honest Trevor would have been with Jamie as the relationship evolved. Like it's not appropriate to, like it's not fair to expect Trevor 10 minutes into the date to be like, all's not fair to expect Trevor 10 minutes into the date to be like, all right, I got to level with you. Like, I emotionally cheated on my girlfriend of two years.

Like, that's something that you get into down the line of saying like, hey. Well, I don't know. Do you ever get into it down the line? I think, you know, like, I mean, I'm in a relationship with Lauren Zima. And, you know, she knows I was married. She knows that I got divorced and we've talked a lot about my relationship with my ex and she was married as well. I know a lot about Lauren's relationship with her ex. Um, you know, do you get into every detail and the weeds

of everything? No. And, and especially that's after we've been dating a couple of years. So, you know, if you're just meeting somebody, will you ever be so detailed that wouldn't you say this relationship wasn't right for me? Da, da, da, da, da. Would you ever go, oh, and by the way, I emotionally cheated? Yeah. No. I don't know why that would ever come into a conversation.

Well, I guess it depends. It's situational, right? For Jamie, what I'm saying is her storyline has been, I've always been cheated on and to your point you're right like this might be all college or high school relationships we don't know that for sure but it would have made sense that eventually she would have expressed this to trevor about insecurities that she has and then then maybe it would have been an opportunity for him to connect with her saying hey i'm gonna level with you because i want to start this relationship based off of honesty. I've been that guy, but here's the situation. Here's what I've learned about that situation. Here's what I learned about myself. I'm not proud of it,

but I am proud of what I learned. And I hope to be like, you know, like that we'll never see that from Trevor. And now what makes it interesting is like, so we don't like, we'll have to see how he handles because Natasha totally ruined that for him.. What I think too. And also if you go further, you're, we're always going to look now through that lens at Trevor, no matter what he does, is he that guy? And as you said, I don't know if he can ever be that genuine, sweet, just good guy now, because we're all going to look at him going, is he, you know? So, you know, I don't know if that's fair or not, but now that's the way it goes. That's what Natasha did to him. So yeah. him see also yeah no so they come back from the date oh by the way i love how uh i gotta say they they made 81 dollars on their singing performance in one song that was real

oh it's definitely real but what sucks for for sucks for like the normal street performers is that you like clearly there were cameras around there I got to assume that's 81 people who are hoped to having a quick cameo on the bachelor. Totally. Totally. Although, although I bet, I doubt they knew what that was.

I mean, cause obviously we wouldn't have said this is for the bachelor. This is your art. I, you know, and it doesn't make sense that it would be the bachelor because these people are singing. So I bet they just,

you know, it's LA and it's Hollywood. Yeah, someone's shooting a show. Maybe I'll end up on The Voice or whatever this is. But yeah, you're right. That was people that thought, maybe I'll put five bucks in and get Instagram followers. Yeah. So good for them. They made some money on one song.

What a great rate. That's $40 an hour for each person. And I get all that. That's the best part. It's in my contract. I get all panhandling money. And I get all that. That's the best part. It's in my contract. I get all panhandling money. Oh, great. Congratulations. That's a win.

So yeah, and then Jamie comes back. It's revealed to her about Trevor might be a bad guy. He might not. And like most 21-year-olds like Jamie, she's upset to hear it. 21 year olds like, like Jamie, she's upset to hear it, but she just really needs Trevor to say anything because she wants to believe Trevor.

And again, we don't really know if Trevor is this guy or not, but what's funny is that like, this is like Devin stating news to Trevor, to, to Jamie. And when she's talking about their conversation, she finishes it with saying,

well, I just hope I get a rose from him. Like she doesn't care. Like she just likes Trevor and that's all that matters. Yeah, of course. We hear what we want to hear. We see what we want to see. And we all think that we're going to be the different version of that and that it won't happen to me.

And that's positive. That's how we all think. It's human nature. Again, it's why it's fascinating to watch is you can see someone going down these tracks and going, you know, do you not see the train coming? And I'm not saying that's the case for Jamie, but we've all been in those types of relationships where everyone around us saw what was coming. And, you know, Jamie is hearing and seeing what she wants right now. And she is, you know, fascinated and she's crushing on the guy right now. Oh yeah. She's, I mean i mean yeah she's crushing on him and it's it's trevor's to screw up it's i think that's safe to say with with with with with jamie uh

so is was the next date julia and uh brandon was that the next one chris and brie went out um and then um actually uh yeah no julia um did not go out with Brandon. Oh, no. Brandon and Savannah went out. That's right. No, wait. Oh, that's right. Okay.

So that, yeah, Chris. Oh, Chris and what was her name? Brie. Yeah, it was a sweet date. Not much going on. The thing I remember most from that was Brie being like, I've never, like, I love how they're all talking about they haven't really dated other musicians and Brie like she literally is just like well I like to communicate in song and I haven't had that so I haven't really like she's basically saying she likes to fight singing like

she's like I haven't been able to express myself because my other boyfriends didn't want me to sing to them while we were fighting, which I thought was... By the way, sign me up for that too. I don't want you to sing to me while we're fighting. I could not imagine every conversation I have with a girlfriend, she busts out the guitar and starts singing to me. That would be pretty awkward. But they definitely have that chemistry, man. When they sit down, when they sat down in the, uh, the record store there or the guitar center and then started singing to each other. I'm like, wow, they, uh, they are sexual. They have chemistry. Yeah. Do you really think you can fall in love in a week? Chris, uh, Rochelle, have you ever seen the bachelor? I've seen it happen before. Look, no, but in a positive reinforcement as you go. Um, but right now I

do think Chris and Brie are like, this could be it. Like, I may have been hit by the love rock, and this is over. And it was interesting. Again, they were having their show, and then Julia went on her date. And shockingly enough, while they were on their date, that's when Brandon went on his date. Yeah, no. Just go, you know, it's great producing

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Or Rochelle. She said. I just, I love it. or Rochelle. I just, I love it. And so yeah, so Julia and Sheridan. I love Sheridan. Sweet, clearly a sweet guy. It's like a guy who looks like he could be an extra on one of those biker shows. But in reality, is this like the softest teddy bear. And probably my guess is his biggest criticism that he gets from women is he's too sweet. He's too nice. All the women, they friend him up super fast is my guess with him. And you just feel like he's that guy with the guitar on the beach that's about to get sand kicked in his face.

Because the big brooding army sniper guy is about to swoop in and steal his girl. Yes. 100%. Poor guy. But I got to say, I was really impressed with Julia's voice. I know we touched on it last week. Honestly, like Rochelle mentioned, she has cystic fibrosis. That was kind of lost on me in the first episode with, you know, kind of remembering all the characters. But I'm curious, can you tease a little bit? Do we learn a little bit more about that and her life and kind of her struggle with that?

Because it is a fascinating element. I don't know if you know this, Chris, but Rochelle's sister has cystic fibrosis. And so she's heavily involved in that community. And I've learned a little bit through that world through Rochelle. And it's fascinating to get to know these people because how they approach life is different than most. They're good at capturing each moment, right? And because time is that much more limited for them. And you even see that in Julia, where she's just like, yeah, I care about her, but I'm focused on me right now. And she's not the only one to do that, but there's clearly an assertiveness that Julia has. And I hope that we learn more about

that aspect from her. Yeah. Well, and I've been involved with cystic fibrosis as well for, since I started, probably like 18 years now, American Airlines had a huge event and I got involved with the American Airlines event that was all about cystic fibrosis. And there were these three young girls at the time that were the face of this and their life expectancy was in their young teens. And then they made it that far because obviously things have been progressing. And it is fascinating knowing that side of cystic fibrosis where you always kind of have a deadline on your life of young 20s. Okay, now you can actually live into your 30s and now you can actually have a family, but still it's not much

beyond that. And so Julia is thinking, I have an expiration date and that is this mentality of cystic fibrosis and it's horrible, but that is indeed the case. And she has this zest for life. You can tell of living in the moment. And I think you will see a lot more of that as we move on of her diving in and her, where that her, her philosophy kind of comes from. But for me, it was interesting to hear from someone like that because I I've kind of been involved for a while and I know that feeling and I know that story. Yeah, that'll be interesting. Are they going to show her like doing her treatments at all? Because I know there's like a lot of stuff she has to do every day just to stay.

Yeah, good point. I don't know because I haven't seen in the next three. So the behind the scenes story of this as far as production goes, people were clamoring and saying, you know, throw this show on earlier. We're in a pandemic and we're quarantined. Guys, we were, this show didn't, wasn't supposed to be where it is anyway in our schedule. And we shot this right after Bachelor and we crammed it in and getting this on when we were supposed to on April 13th was next to near impossible. And that's with everything being perfect and being able to go in and actually edit this in our regular edit bays in our offices. And we had to shut down.

So the last month, three weeks of this, we were tearing down edit equipment. Guys, you know, post departments taking this stuff home. We're trying to have Zoom conferences and notes. And I, on Thursday of the premiere week, so we're what, three or four days away from the premiere, I got a rough edit. And I mean, there were still graphics of where things needed to be. My voice wasn't in all of this stuff. It was supposed to be for the voiceovers. I'm like, we are struggling to get episode one on. So I haven't seen a lot of the stuff because it's just not done yet. We are throwing everything we got because these people are home editing the show and kudos to our crew and our family,

because I don't know if any other group and production could pull this off, but we are such a finely tuned machine, our post department. I'm literally in my closet doing voiceovers for each week now. And so if they sound a little hollow and a little different, that's why. I mean, we're still piecing this thing together. And so I guess in answer to your question, I don't know. I haven't seen everything. We're still editing this show as we go. I've just finally seen episode three being put together and it's still not entirely done. That will be interesting though. Hopefully they can because kind of to Rochelle's point, I mean, you know, cystic fibrosis is a lung disease. Obviously it affects your breathing.

I don't know much about singing, but it takes some lungs to do it, you know, and it takes, and she has an incredibly, I was really, one of my favorite voices so far is hers on the show. I really- If nothing else, whether, you know, it's a huge spotlight or whatever, I think we will be out of this, have this great spotlight to talk about cystic fibrosis. And so I love it when we can, you know, I'm not saying we're saving the world, but I like it when we can shine a light on social issues like this. And she will have a platform now to talk about this and I can go talk about this more. And that's, that's kind of a cool aspect of this is,

is people will maybe look a little deeper. Why haven't they spent as much money on cystic fibrosis as they have cancer and everything else? It's like, well, the truth is people were dying too young and it wasn't worth the money for people to put money into it. And that was the sad,

sick truth. And so now that people are living longer, some of these companies are like, okay, yeah, let's find a cure. Let's dive and spend more money on this. And so when we shine a light on things, things change and things happen. So that'll be cool. Yeah. They've had some incredible progress. I know there's a pill out there. I mean, there's a, I mean, Rochelle's sister's on it. so there's a lot of hope in that community as of the past year or so. I mean, I don't know how that's going, but it seems to be trending in a positive direction.

So hopefully we'll be able to hear Julia's voice for a long time. But back to her relationship with Sheridan, she doesn't like him at all. Oh. like him at all. It's poor guy. It's just, you know, she... You know,

it's like he had this happen last week. He's a good singer, right? And I think when he performs, he definitely, like, I think all women or all people are attracted to talent, right? And so when he does his thing, people are just like, wow, you are, you know, you're good. You're good. I still don't want to sleep with you, but you're very good at singing.

You're a good dude. You're a good. Yeah, you're a really good guy. Yeah. He's just, I feel like he's that little fish just hanging on the line and it's just oh yeah and julia's like well i need a rose and so but as soon as brandon comes back just know this is gonna happen so yeah and so talking about brandon he he well he date card comes in while while uh julia and and sheridan are on a date. So, you know, I mean, Julia is not even there to be asked.

So, you know, what is Brandon going to do? He can only deal with the cards that are dealt, you know. Why not take Savannah? Absolutely a shout out to all the producers and the people in the show. I love the Dresden date. Homage to the movie The, uh, really just cool. I mean, it felt like I was watching the movie, the swingers and I shout out to Bennett. I know he, he's good. He loves doing that stuff. Um, yeah, you know, there are a lot of Easter eggs in,

in all of our shows when, when, cause we're all pop culture fans and, you know, Bennett and, um, Elan, when he was on the show, Rob Mills, our executive and Mike Fleiss, the creator of the show, we all love pop culture. And anytime we can kind of slide something in a lot of times, it's just for us. Um, you know, no one else will even notice, but it's like, you know, we will see it like the couple at the Dresden, you know, I'm glad we spotlighted them in the, uh, in credits that, you know, been together for 38 years. They, they are performing there all the time. You can still go see them. They've been there, you know, since the first. They were in the movie Swingers, weren't they? That couple?

I believe they were. I haven't watched Swingers in probably eight to 10 years. I'm almost certain they were. Yeah. The, uh, uh, do you remember on my season where they, uh, put the kid inside the, uh, the machine where you like the claw machine at the roller skating rink. Yeah, yeah. And there they pan through and there's a child inside the machine. Which had nothing to do with anything other than... No, there's a kid inside the machine. So yeah, I mean, as far as Brandon and Savannah, I don't know, Maybe that relationship will evolve. It seems more to be more about the love triangle rather than any of the relationships.

Who do you think, when you see Brandon with Savannah and with Julia, where are you feeling the chemistry? Well, you know, it's interesting because i don't really feel chemist here's what i think i don't think brandon really likes either of them i mean i think that's the honest answer right i think yeah i'm actually i'm 100 certain about that um i i think that he's going to convince it like Like, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure he, I think he likes Julia. I think he likes Savannah, but he doesn't like either of them particularly that much more than the other.

I think he might be slightly more attracted to Savannah. But I don't, like I said, that's why he's like leaving the door open for Julia because he's like, he's more or less, I think indifferent is my guess. Um, that's my guess. Yeah. I'm my guess, but I'm almost certain because like, that's life. Like when you're not, when you're not totally sold in any one person, you kind of, that's when you become the fuck boy. You're just like, you know, you're both fine, you know, like, and I like attention. So I'll both let you chase me. But I, but I will say this for Julia. What I appreciated about her is the day after the rose ceremony when she did say,

hey, or I mean, after the date, she's like, I had a good time. And I want to know where you stand on this, because is it so definitive when she said, look, I had a wonderful time, but I don't want to just shut the door on everything else yet. I still want to, you know, I haven't even had a chance to get to know Brent. And so is it fair to say that, you know, she doesn't like either one yet, or is it fair to be like, look, this is also new. I'm in a dating situation. I'd get to date a little bit longer before I had to make a decision. So I at least respected the fact that she said, hey, that was wonderful, but I just at least want to see what the deal is with this.

Julia, I mean, well, I think Julia, I mean, it's pretty clear that Julia prefers Brandon, right? But she's unsure about how Brandon feels about her. And that's where you get this kind of fun love triangle. But you're totally right. I mean, sometimes the downside of the bachelor world is the expectation from the, like people calling dibs, so to speak. It's just like, you know, if someone asks you out and you go on a date, it's just like, how do I deal with this? Like, I remember like when I was on Paradise where Leah asked me out and I said yes, because it was like, I mean, I don't know. I don't know you. I wasn't initially expecting anything with you, but like, let's just go out. But then

it's just like, I kind of knew that I wasn't really feeling it, but like, who knows? And so then you go on a date, but then you immediately in that world have to be like, hey, listen, here's the thing. I don't really, you know, really. And so you unfortunately kind of have to be the bearer of bad news. But yeah, I thought Julia handled it perfectly with, with, with Sheridan. I mean, what, what does she, she, she, Sheridan knows where she stands. I think it's pretty clear. He still picked her though. He did.

Yeah. At the end, because, you know, look at the end of the day, you know, going back to, um, Nick's point about Jamie or about Ruth, it's like, you hear what you want and you're going to hope what you want. And at the end of the day, he's like, well, if I give her this rose, maybe she'll see that I am the good guy and I'm doing the right thing. And again, you're saying there's a chance. If she accepts a rose, there's a chance.

Also, I was thinking about this too. I mean, we all do it as humans, right? We all listen. We all hear what we want to hear. And as humans, we all have a way of doing things that hurt us. We like pain. We self-inflict. We are our own worst enemies. But I can't help but wonder if musicians are even worse for more or less inspiration. The people who go like, they always talk about some of their best songwriting is when they're heartbroken. And great art comes out of great tragedy. Right? So I can't-

When we get out of this quarantine, there's going to be amazing art, not just music, but all kinds of comedy and things that have been written. And I mean, it'll be astounding. And that's, yeah, great heartbreak. And look at Taylor Swift, her entire career is, you know, one heart, you know, broke, break up after another. Yeah. I mean, John Mayer's best work was, you know, his, his, all his breakups, you know, I even kind of talked about that in terms of like what motivated him when he was writing songs, but yeah, it's so true. So I'm watching this thinking like, again, everyone does it. It's not just musicians, but you you know people going after what they know deep down isn't going to work out only to and create more pain for themselves is like

such a musician thing to do um so that maybe explains it uh when we talk about mel that so awkward she's so in love with the kiss, the kiss with Brandon. Yeah. Yeah. She had a big crush on Brandon went into the, you know, purple, purple hair. Well, one of them, she was the one that had started on night one with purple hair. I loved Mel. I actually really liked her. She was a amazingly smart woman. And I found her fascinating to get to know, even though she was on a short time because she went home at the end of this episode. But I like that she took her shot. She's like, I like Brandon. I'm going to take a shot. I'm going to go in there. I'm going to make out with

him. I'm going to tell him how I feel. And I like that she went down swinging. Good for her. Yeah. No, she definitely, she seemed like a really cute kind of quirky person how did she describe it where she's like when she was talking about her head and her heart but she used very unique adjectives she's like it tickled tickles my brain and warns her i don't know what she said but it was uh i was like that's an interesting way of putting it it was the whole aspect of doing this with artists was very different and and the music aspect of this really took it to a different emotional level. And again, it's like the Chris and Brie date. Um, great.

That it's a cute date. Then all of a sudden they start singing and you're like, whoa, um, Julia's date, same thing. It's like, okay, good day. They're on the radio show. That's a typical bachelor, bachelorette thing. And then they start singing and you're like, oh, okay, I see this connection. So it really, it ups the game because, you know, a bachelor, bachelorette is vulnerable and they're stripped down emotionally.

But then when you sing, that's a whole other level of just being exposed. And so I found that just to be a fascinating aspect I wasn't expecting to get from the show. Yeah. No, actually, I've really enjoyed that too. Me personally, I don't watch singing shows. I don't watch music competition shows. I've seen them. I get into it when I watch them, but I don't. But to that point, I've surprisingly enjoyed that aspect of it. Like for example, when Julia like, you know, started singing, I was, I kind of went back and watched her performance again. I really, I really quite enjoyed, it was like, wow, what a, she's got a great voice, not a good voice, not an okay voice. She's got a great voice. Well, wait till next week when you see the competition and you see some of these people, like, you know, there are some performances where, and, and, you know, some are like, Ooh, okay.

And then some people, Oh yeah. I mean, they're not like crazy, crazy cringe worthy, but they're not great. And then, and then you see those that just, you're like, wow, I would pay to go see them at Staples center. If there was such a thing as concerts anymore. Totally. Uh, I'm a little concerned for Jamie. Like when sang, she had seemed like a decent voice, but she's two for two on dates where the guy's like, I'll carry you. She's like, I loved how he helped me out. I'm like, well, from a singing aspect. Interesting you say that because there is more to that and you're going to see that next week. There's actually this great moment with Kesha,

who's one of our judges and Jamie, because there is a thing that you're hitting on that we are going to expose and it starts next week and it carries on. So actually smart to be in tune with that because there is something there to that. Nice, nice tease. Yeah. I'm looking forward to that because yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's a confidence thing. It could be a youth thing, but she definitely likes that other guys are leading for her, but maybe to her detriment. And actually, I'm looking forward to seeing what Kesha has to say about that. Sometimes it's scary how astute Nick is at picking apart the show and seeing things. Come on, Chris.

I see the show like the Matrix now. I just see green. Because I listen to your podcast and I watch all this stuff and I'm like, wow, you really do have a discerning eye when it comes to these relationships and to breaking down the show

and how it plays out. It's very interesting. Well, thank you. For better or worse. But I found my niche, I guess. Those that can't do yeah podcast people always like how do you give relationship advice i'm like because i just like i do something and i say the opposite like it's it's that simple um uh so so yeah what so then we kind of we have

the we're at the cocktail party at this point uh Always kind of good to kind of find out where everyone's at. I felt bad for Sheridan on a lot of levels this episode. Because even when he's narrating it, he's just like, well, if it goes well, she'll like me. And if it doesn't go well, she'll like Brandon. But like, yeah, we know. The moment that was really telling for me, he was at the, uh, by the fireside chat with Savannah and he's like, yeah, uh, you know,

Julia's off with Brandon and he's, and you know, they're both just like, and he's like, yeah, you know, like he needed to commiserate with somebody who's like feeling the same thing. Cause you just tell he's, you know, like I'm used to this. Don't worry about it. You know, I got this. Didn't he say he surprised she even gives him the time of day? I was like, oh, I know the underdog, always the underdog. But yeah, that rose ceremony was interesting because you really, and I liked the way we did the rose ceremonies where they would leave and go, you know, a little different than paradise and what we're used to. They would be waiting. And so there was this other element of having the camera in the room and the couples

waiting to see which couple would come next was very interesting. It was kind of a cool aspect of the show. And maybe we take that to paradise. I like that new wrinkle. I got to say from a production standpoint, it must be even more torture for the cast because clearly it's going to take longer. You have to wait for them to walk down. You're sitting there waiting and waiting. So if you're like a person who's afraid that they might not get a rose, that's got to be just even worse. And then next week, as I said, you will find out why early next week, but everything is about to change. And so those types of rose ceremonies will be completely different as we head forward, because the whole aspect and face of this show is about to be turned on its axis. I can't wait to find out what that is. I got to say,

I do have a question for you when it comes to rose ceremonies and advice that you give on the show. Will there be a Chris Harrison advice crossover? Will you be telling people on Paradise and on The Bachelorette to listen to their heart right before they give off roses? Or is that specific to listen to your heart? Because it plays either way. It really does. It really does play either way.

And I don't know. I think maybe I might have to be one of those little Easter eggs I slipped in one time of just like randomly at a rose ceremony and like listen to your heart. Yeah. Well, you know, maybe we will see what happens with Trevor and Jamie and some other people, but if they find their way onto the beach, maybe when Jamie's up, you can just be like, hey, listen to your heart.

But I'm already sick of it, but I will just keep saying it over and over and over. I know that probably isn't totally on you, is my guess. Wait, so do we know for sure if they will be on Paradise in the future? Can you say? We don't. Well, we don't know anything as of now for any of these shows.

But, you know, I do see a world where, you know, a Jamie, a Brandon, a Savannah. I think it's got to be certain people that fit that Bachelor world. And as Nick knows what I'm talking about, it really takes that certain kind of personality. And I think you're smart enough to look at this cast and go, okay, they fit. They don't really fit. Ryan's a shoo-in for Paradise. Yeah. And it's nothing against these people. There's just some people aren't going to, that chemistry and that personality won't quite fit with the rest. But yeah, a Ryan, a Jamie, I couldie um you know i could see a brand and i could see a rudy i could see some of these people and it's not to say they will i just i could see that

happening for sure wait wait am i wait am i confusing ryan with okay ryan is ryan has the ellipse he's uh he's oh yeah okay andy grammer looking yeah so i mean ryan ryan could fit but that's not who i was thinking about when i said Ryan. Who's the Mohawk guy? Matt. Matt. Matt is a shoo-in for personality-wise. Matt is the one that didn't know my name, so he's not ever going to be on another show. That's true.

That's true. Yeah. Just kidding. He's a good dude. I like Matt. Yeah, I've asked around. People, the producers seem to like him. Yeah, he's got it. You know, it's funny.

In all honesty, another behind the scenes thing we didn't actually show when I first walked in that night, I actually said, hi, everybody. I'm Chris Harrison. I am the host of the show. I should introduce myself because I know a lot of you won't know this franchise. And that was part of the fun for me is nobody, you know, I knew, look, there were some fans, some super fans there that I know did know, like, you know, Jamie, Rudy, some of them were really into the show, but there were a lot that were like, you know, I'm just here for singing and maybe we'll find love. And they, they didn't know the whole game plan. And so it was kind of fun to go in and just explain everything. And everything I did

was new and exciting. Like if you're on the mats where, you know, okay, we're probably going to start traveling some point we're going to do hometowns, exotic, you know, all that stuff. So it's not like a big shock when I announce it. But on this show, they didn't know. Like they didn't know the next performance was coming up until I told them that next morning after the Rose Ceremony. So that part for me was fun to see genuine naivete, genuine excitement and adrenaline when we would announce and do things. Totally. excitement and adrenaline when we would announce and do things.

Totally. And I quite honestly think that makes this particular show a little bit better because the one criticism the show has gotten over the years and to no fault of its own is like, through social media and the success of the show, new cast is just like too aware of the show itself. And they become inauthentic on their own because they are doing and saying what they think they should do. And they've seen other people do it. And maybe they've even talked to alumni. And when you kind of go in totally oblivious to the production of it all, you're getting more authentic reactions. And I think you see that a little bit on this show. But this show's maybe given us some new wrinkles that maybe we'll see in other seasons of The Bachelor and Bachelorette. Maybe shake things up a little bit.

Totally. But speaking of Ryan, I really enjoyed him and Natasha. I got to say, don't believe Natasha. She's like, no, I'm to see all of Natasha's ex-boyfriends, not one of them is remotely similar to Ryan. Every one of her ex-boyfriends is from Jersey Shore or something like New York, or he's got a couple tattoos. He's probably a dick. When I watched that, I thought, my first thought, and again, maybe it's genuine. Maybe it turns out to be amazing and a great love story.

But my first thought when I heard that was, oh man, guys, guys are dumb. Like guys can just, you know, some pretty girls in front of us. It's like, no, I like, you know, scrawny guys who have never been successful and live with their parents. You're like, oh, great. Let's make out. Yeah. That was Ryan's little response.. You're like, Oh great. Let's make out. Yeah. You know, that was like,

that was Ryan's little response. Okay, cool. Like, great. I'm going to hear what I want to hear. I'm going to see what I want to see. But yeah,

I mean, I really like Ryan sweet guy, but he definitely reads is Ryan seems more into the music than the women on the show right now. And maybe that's because there's no connections there. And fair enough, by the way, in their defense, as you do sometimes in Paradise, it's like, look, I'm not going to marry this woman. This isn't the thing, but let's form some sort of friendship

that we can bond, move on to next week. So we each get on those, we can move on. And then there's newcomers. So you're excited know, bond, move on to next week. So we each get on those, we can move on. And then there's newcomers. So you're excited about, okay, maybe I will find love and you both understand that things can change. And so there is that aspect too, of just kind of moving on. And, you know, I think that's maybe what you're seeing because that happens in paradise all the time too. Speaking of newcomers, there's that one brunette, very pretty girl who might as well have been from the art department. And of newcomers, there's that one brunette, very pretty girl who might as well have been from the art department. And maybe she literally was because she's like a total hottie

and she was just there. She might as well have been the couch. Like you didn't see her, didn't hear from her, and then she's gone. Gone. Poor girl. My guess is she didn't talk too much. And I feel bad when that happens, whether it's this show, Paradise, or whatever. Maybe I feel worse on this show because these people may not know as much of what they're getting themselves into as opposed to Paradise. But I always hated when people will show up on Paradise a day or two before, go on a date. Oh, it's like, no Rose. And they're back flying home from Mexico. And I'm like, you know, I wish they could have stayed a little longer, but you know, it's also like picking kids. I, you know, it's like, who do I want to go home? Like, I don't want to lose any

of them. Yeah. How do you decide, how did they decide who comes in at what time? It depends. Honestly, sometimes it's logistics of, of Nick is busy and can't be there for day one. And so, okay, Nick will come week two or week three. Sometimes there are stories that we think will play out later in the season. You don't want to just throw everything in the skillet at once. And so it just depends on story, on logistics, on people's schedule, and all those things kind of go into it. When someone might produce the most drama versus when they might not,

you know, it all goes into it. So I guess we'll finish recapping this episode. I do have some State of the Union Bachelor questions for you to wrap up. So it seems like obviously the relationships to watch are, you know, Trevor and Jamie. What's going on there? I'm curious about that. I mean, you guys, the tease in the previews, the Savannah versus Julia. We even get a kind of a fourth wall, you know, get away from me, which is always a great sign for drama.

When Cass loses. Yeah, I can't stop recording yeah sure okay they'll just yeah as if like uh you know any like in the history of tv when someone says stop recording as if that anyone listens that's when you really that's when you're like get another camera yeah get five more cameras um so uh but yeah i'm excited about that anything you want to tease other than the things that you already have about things that we can look forward to and be excited to see yeah I'm just I'm glad everybody's loving this show as much as we love putting it on but they're everything it really

is about to be you know shaken up and as I love to say everything's about to change next week performances will start so the dynamic of the show changes, but it really is still about these relationships. And that what, what to me was so cool was like you said, it's not about the performance. It's about who's performing with who. So it's like, okay, Savannah, Julia, who's singing, who's really good, who sucks. So it's like you can kind of, it's this other aspect of dating of I can get over on this girl because I'm damn good and he knows it. And so it's this wild turn of events that brings in tears and drama. And it is the performance and that actual rose ceremony and what the judges are doing is almost just a small part of what will stir the pot as well. So it was fascinating. And I think the show really takes off.

I mean, starting a show is always difficult. You got to get in, you got to introduce the characters. What's about to happen is really we're at a launching point. Episode three on is this thing really takes off. I look, I look forward to seeing it um yeah i mean it's it's i'm i'm i'm excited about it i'm my guess is i know it's like what six or seven episodes yep six that i it'll probably leave you wanting more but that's that's a good thing but speaking of wanting more um what can you tell us? I mean, about how things are going. There's rumors out there about,

you know, Claire season. Maybe you guys might just do everything in a hotel. Is there any update that you guys have for us? Can you, can you let us know? Because once this, once I listen to your heart is over, we're going to be, we're going to be starving for a bachelor content. You know, Mike Fleiss, Rob Mills, and I, all the producers, we are talking constantly about content. How can we provide content? And how can we do that quickly?

Because as you just mentioned, as soon as Listen to Your Heart's over, there is a hole of there's no content. So what can we do in the interim before we can get Bachelorette on? You know, are there specials we can produce? Are there things that we can do and do it safely with minimal crew?

Maybe even do it right here in front of my fireplace via Zoom, somehow pull this thing off, which Idol's gonna do. Some specials are already happening on network TV. So I think that's probably first and foremost, how can we create immediate content? And then our big priority is Bachelorette,

Claire's season. It's premature to even, you know, think right now where it's going to be done, how it's going to be done. We are putting every idea out there. We're throwing everything against the wall because we don't know the scenario. We don't know what our, you know, what the world will dictate, what our governor, what the laws are going to be, what the rules are going to be. Can we travel? Maybe we can travel domestically and it's not that big of a deal. Maybe we just have to stay in the mansion. Maybe we have to go to a resort. Who knows? There is no decision made. I can tell you that. It's premature to even think there could be because we're all still quarantined. We have no idea how the world's going to look. They're opening up

beaches in Texas and Florida and golf courses and things like that. It seems to be going well. And, you know, we have flattened the curve here in California. And so you expect the reins to be loosened a little bit, but, um, we will definitely make that a priority as soon as we can get back. We're definitely going to, but we got to do it safely. Yeah, totally. Uh, and we appreciate you guys doing that. Is it safe to say that, again, we don't know anything, but if the franchise is forced to make the very tough decision to, well, with limited time, we're just not going to be able to produce The Bachelorette and Bachelor in Paradise. Is it safe to say that The Bachelorette is the priority? in Paradise. Is it safe to say that the Bachelorette is the priority? Definitely safe to say that Claire and the Bachelorette's our priority. You know, in the pecking order, first of all, it's next. It's what we are ramped up to do. We're prepared to do it. We have, you know, casting is still open because again, the idea that all these people can just pick up after a pandemic and come in and do this show again without jobs and their lives and maybe they're not healthy, who knows?

That's naive as well. So we're still casting Claire's show, but that is our priority. And that's definitely safe to say. Now, where that falls in the calendar and what we're left with, that's up to when we can get out of this. If we can get back and do Claire You know, if we can't, you know, if we can get back and do Claire soon, great. We'll still have summer left. We can do Paradise. But if all of a sudden it's September, October, November, because of this damn virus, who knows? So, yeah, it's just, you know, and then you got to get back to The Bachelor. Then

you got to get back to, you know, where we are as far as creating you know this franchise and the bachelor bachelorette they are definitely our priorities that's our baby that's what started this franchise and what it's what drives this franchise so you always have to put them at the top of the probably and they're the feeder system i mean you can't i mean could you could you throw bachelor in paradise together with the cast, the available cast that exists? Sure. But it wouldn't be as good and you'd be limited. That's why.

And you want to be able to use maybe people from Listen to Your Heart and people from Claire's season that will blend in with people from Peter's season and Colton's and all that. So, you know, you definitely, it is that feeder that makes, there's a reason paradise is so good. It's because you know, these people and you know them from this last season. So yeah, one kind of begets the other. All right, cool. Well, thank you for the update. And the only last question I have for you is do you have any opinion on all

these quarantine bachelor hookups that seem to be going on. I love this. Look, Nick, I need to do, I think the first special I do is bachelor quarantine after the final quarantine. I mean, there needs to be an after the quarantine because, I mean, you got Hannah that went off in quarantine with Tyler, but they're not anymore. Where is that? And then you got Kelly and you got Peter and Dustin, who sadly must be a bizarre third quarantine wheel. Or a thruple. Maybe, maybe it's a thruple. My guess, maybe they started off like he was the safety valve. Like, you know, you would have brought like, I have a blind date, so I'm going to bring Nick on

to come with me if it doesn't go well. It does well. Hey, Nick, buzz off. Well, you can't buzz off. There's a quarantine. So now he may be that sad safety reserve that is now stuck there. He's the Instagram boyfriend to film all their content. Exactly. So where is that relationship?

It seems to be going very well, whether they define it or not. They're at least on the quarantine TikTok level. And that is really the new level of relationship. It seems to be going very well, whether they define it or not, they're at least on the quarantine TikTok level. And that is really the new level of relationship. You are a quarantine relationship. Then you take your relationship to TikTok. And that really validates a relationship. So when's Chris Soules and Victoria going to be? Yeah. I mean, that was out of left field. I got to say, I was, I still don't even know if that's true. No pun intended. I don't know if any of that is actual factual or true. Journalism has really taken a big nosedive in this day and age of actually validating things. The only reason I will say I've seen Hannah and them talk about it, I've seen Peter and Kelly actually confirm it. I have not seen Chris or Victoria confirm any of this.

have not seen Chris or Victoria confirm any of this. Yes. I've heard from multiple people that they seem to be at least together, but who knows? And you asked me immediately, what do I think of all this? Great. Honestly, if everybody's being safe and smart, you can argue they weren't to a certain degree on some of this stuff. There is a sense of being a knucklehead and not social distancing and being as smart as they should have been. I will deal with that as a father figure later. But in all seriousness, if Hannah finds love with Tyler, great. If Peter is finally happy and find somebody, awesome. If Chris Soules, who I really care for and think is a good man, great, man. I love it.

I think Victoria F is a good woman. So Superman, if you find love in the quarantine, I'm all for it. I just love that our show is absolutely generating more content during the quarantine than anything else. And it's not even on. Totally. And just to point out in terms of, yes, we can argue whether it was safe, but if you're going to criticize Victoria and Chris, you have to criticize Peter and Kelly and Tyler and Hannah. I know what I'm saying in terms of the safety of whether it was safe to travel. Like, I mean, I've heard, I've seen out there with like Victoria and Chris criticism, like, oh, well, you couldn't wait. But like this was going on when Peter and Kelly are flying.

So like, I don't think it's fair to criticize Chris or Victoria if they are in fact hanging out any more than any of the other couples who decided to quarantine earlier. But I agree with you. Like, I mean, Chris has gone through a lot the past few years.

The guy's been stuck in Iowa. You know what? If it's a real thing, you know what? Good for them. Or even if it's not, let them define it. Let them figure it out and good on them. And look, everyone's going to pick everybody apart. That's what we do in America with the pandemic and quarantine. It's like, you're not doing it like me. You're not doing it like you should. And there's no perfect in this. We're all figuring it out. And You're not doing it like you should. And, um, you know, there's no, there's no perfect in this. We're all figuring it out. And we're also trying to live our lives. And yeah, people are making some slight mistakes according to this new, these new guidelines and rules, but they're also just trying to live and they're young. Um, it'll be, it'll be fun.

I totally agree with you. And to, to our knowledge, none of them, you know, Colton did get it. He's better, thank God. And oddly, Cassie's family didn't. So who knows? Is there going to be a prize at the end of Listen to Your Heart? Like, do they get there? Yeah, the ultimate idea is that we have one super couple at the end of this that the judges will eventually choose after all these performances. You'll have one mega couple that has obtained it all.

They have love. They have found each other. But at the same time, they're about to embark on an amazing music career together that we will launch. You know, well, I would have said pre-pandemic, they would go on tour. They will eventually. But they will go on tour. They will eventually, but they will go on tour. They will perform. They're going to work with, um, producers.

They were going to record music. Um, I believe music video that the whole nine yards, we are going to launch a couple into stardom. It's going to be Chris and, um, uh, I keep forgetting her name. Brie. Yeah. That's my prediction. Maybe, maybe Julia and I keep forgetting her name. Bree. Yeah. That's my prediction. Maybe,

maybe Julia and whoever she ends up with. I think people are going to think Trevor and Jamie, but like, I think there's a more, I think there's better connections out there. And I think there's more talented performers on the show than, than those two. Nothing against them.

They're, they're fine. They're good. They're cute together. They're the, they're, they're more, they're the, they're the traditional bachelor couple, you know, cute, good looking people like they can sing and they would, they would do just as well in the bachelor or bachelorette. But I think you have, if, if, if music's going to be part of that equation of super couple, I'm going to say, I'm going to say

Chris and Bria, my early favorites. I'm voting for Rudy and Matt, actually. Oh, I like that. Yeah. I thought they had a hot kiss. And by the way, hot kiss. And I don't know if you remember, but Rudy's got some pipes too. She can flat out sing. She can sing. I just want to point out that if your first kiss is super hot, just because you slapped him first, that might be the start of a toxic relationship redefine your i was gonna redefine super hot because to me it was like so awkward should we kiss should we not slap some kiss like whoa what just happened listen there's a time there's a time and a place to spice it up and i'm not criticizing you know uh foreplay or even a

little bit of uh mutual aggression that's with safe words. But I don't know if that's the start of a good relationship. I don't know. Things might get stale too quickly if you're counting on that. I just thought when I first saw that, I go, man, think if that was the opposite. Yeah. Well, think of think of Matt had done that to her. Oh God. But yeah.

When I, when I got choked by, uh, yeah. And the Virgin islands, I'm like about to send her home and she's like, I could choke you. And then she literally does. And I just like, I was so over it. I just like, this is, thank you. This is what I've always been hoping for. I love you. Let's get married. I gotta say, I don't think I enjoy being slapped or choked ever. I think it's because my brother used to pin me down when he would beat me up and he would slap me, you know, just like that. So, yeah, I would rather you honestly punch me in the face than slap me. Yeah.

I don't like being slapped. Either one. If a girl hits me in the face, chances are I'm not really, my next move is probably not to kiss you. Has a girl ever hit you? In the face? No. Have you ever been slapped? Yeah. Not by

a girl that I've been dating and not from a fight romance. You know what I'm saying? Not in a passionate movie style. Nothing like that um no so i don't know we just by the way i love it when nick goes down a deep hole you can see him go down the rabbit hole in his mind when he just gets kind of quiet it's more like i honestly would take anything at this point you know i'm stuck by myself and right i think yeah we're all like i would i relish a bad relationship

at this point for most people sitting there at home i've more or less kind of sworn off bachelor relationships but like i got even now when you see other people coupling up it's like you know fuck it you know maybe i just like get rid of that rule i have for myself but uh hey why my theory is this and lauren and i talk about this's, you know, age looks like where you are in your life, what they do, why narrow anything? It's so hard to find somebody, you know, and I say this to friends who even religious stuff where it's like, well, I only date, you know, I'm looking for a good Jewish boy. I'm like, well, wow, that takes a lot of people off the table. Maybe just find somebody and then see what you can do with that.

I couldn't agree more in general. I'm a big believer in giving it a shot. But I get your point. For me, it's just more like, for example, if I were interested, let's say it's Victoria F. There's a lot of people, Chris and Victoria F., let's assume that's going on or not the only people in America breaking these rules, or maybe they start on a FaceTime

and they're like, get on a flight or whatever. But like, I'm just, I, if I like someone, I want to give it a real shot. I don't want them to put so much extra pressure and so much. I don't want to. So I would have to like meet someone, talk to them and like, really be like, I really, really like you to like even go there. I'm just more hesitant specifically with just bachelor relations. You just got to do what Zima and I did. We just kept it secret for about six or seven months.

And you have someone you can really trust and you keep it on the down low. Yeah, that's the trust part. I just, I, the trust part with like people it's in that world is one person tells one person all of a sudden it's on Instagram. You're like, okay, great. That's the thing. It's not those people. They think you tell one friend and then there you go. But I will agree. I absolutely agree with you in general that we have way too many self-inflicted rules on people we should or shouldn't date. And so it's like, how do you know, man? I'm only going to date a guy over six foot tall. I'm only going to date him if he makes this much money. I'm like, wow, okay. Well, you don't really make that much money. Why are you putting a demand

on him that he needs to be a millionaire? He had to go to college and graduate. Did you graduate from high school? Yeah, exactly. So it's amazing the stipulations we put on the people that we don't even have so yeah i say give it a shot so totally are you learning guitar there's a guitar right behind you are you trying to get in on that i so actually not this one uh this is a this is something i i bought at an auction uh for a fundraiser but i actually have several guitars because uh years ago, a lot of people are musical on our show. Nick knows this, Martin Hilton and Alon plays guitar and Mike Fleiss, the creator of the show. And so I was always so envious. We would have these jam sessions. Nobody knows about this, but at the end of our shows, we would just, you know, after the final

rose ceremony, producers and all of us, and sometimes the couple would, we would have these jam sessions and just sit by the fire and crack a beer on whatever beach we were on and sing songs. And I was always so envious. And so the producers as a gift gave me a guitar back in, I think, Emily Maynard season. So years and years ago. And I would travel with it just because I wanted to, and I would teach myself. I have a lot of time on my hands sitting in hotels and all that. And I taught myself to play guitar. And so I don't play for anybody and I don't, I'm not a good singer, but I do love it now. And I will mess around a little bit playing guitar. And I taught myself just on the road and I'll never forget. I was so jet lagged.

I was sitting there and it may have been Brad, Brad Womack season is when it was actually, because it was Emily Maynard when he met her. And I was sitting there in South Africa completely. I was quarantined, locked in because you can't go out at night or you'll get eaten. We were on this game preserve. And I just sat there all night because I was jet lagged and that was it. That's how I learned. That's great. Yeah. I knew that Martin and Mike and Rob all were big music guys. That's cool. This one is actually, this was for my son because it was Imagine Dragons. Oh, wow.

I hosted, I'm good friends with them and I'm a big fan of theirs. And I hosted their big event in Vegas because they're from Vegas. And as soon as they were done performing, they did an acoustic set. They auctioned off all the guitars and all the equipment. And so I went up on stage and had it signed for my son. Very cool. Chris, I really appreciate you taking the time to help us recap Listen to Your Heart

and catch up on all things Bachelor and find out how you're doing. It's always fun to have you on and I really appreciate you taking the time. I can't wait till I can actually see you. Nick's one of the last people I saw when I was out in public, and that was my event. And since then, we've been locked in. So you guys stay safe, and let's just cocktail some.

Before I let you go, can you give us an update or a quick plug on your wonderful rosé drink? Oh, yeah, Tropical Rosé. It's been slow because of the quarantine and getting distribution out, but the people that have found it, it is flying off the shelves, which is awesome. But Seagram's Escapes, Tropical Rosé. And by the way, my new version of it, I'll put it on ice and then put a little shot of Tito's Vodka in there to give it a little spike. That's my new jam. But yeah, it's in Total Wines, Walmarts, depending on where you are around the world, Jewel Osco's, HEB's, depending on where you are in the country, but it's nationwide and it's doing great. So hopefully it'll be the best

post-pandemic drink too. There you go. Well, when bachelor viewing parties are allowed again, maybe it's even on Zoom. If you're not drinking Seagram's Rose along with it, you're not being as authentic as you can be. Exactly. Thanks brother. I appreciate it. Thanks so much. Well, thanks for listening guys. We definitely appreciate you tuning in. And again, we thank Chris. Don't forget to check us out tomorrow. We have Ben Higgins joining us. Great conversation with Ben, a good friend, haven't had Ben on before. And we really, you know, talk about some of our insecurities and things that we've enjoyed sharing on one-on-one basis and what it's like to have been The Bachelor and some of our insecurities about ourselves and from the show. And I really think you guys will

enjoy that episode. So make sure you check that out tomorrow. And as always, we will, I don't know. Yeah. See you tomorrow and see you on Monday. Thanks for listening.